9-29-25 - 6am - Get Involved and Situational Awareness

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
I'm going to watch the rest of sixty minutes because
I want to see what else they say. But they
had the Utah governor on talking about the Charlie Kirk
assassination and he just wants Americans to stop shooting each other.
But what do they go to for the few stories
that they're going to pick out to talk about? First
Democratic politicians getting shot up in their houses burned down.

(00:24):
I'm mad.

Speaker 2 (00:27):
I missed but a few minutes of sixty minutes last
night I was I was missy watching something on Netflix.
I got doing grossed.

Speaker 3 (00:36):
In darn, I missed all sixty of them.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
He missed all sixty of the sixty minutes again, Yeah,
I'll have to go watch now. I want to get
not out of the way. I don't mean that like
I just try to get this out of the way.
But I don't want to forget this or otherwise I'm
going to get in trouble. There is a you know,
I keep telling that everybody, and I remember builth Friday

(00:58):
and Saturday, and I don't remember what the issue was,
but the issue led me to see this.

Speaker 4 (01:05):
This is a great example of why. Oh I know
what it was.

Speaker 2 (01:09):
It's the story about the superintendent in Des Moines, Iowa,
which I'll get to in a minute, but anyway, here
you've got an illegal alien with gun charges. He already
has an order of removal blah blah blah, and he's
been getting paid one hundred thousand and then I think
they were going to increase his salary to some two
hundred thousand dollars a year. An illegal alien as a

(01:31):
superintendent of schools in Des Moines, Iowa.

Speaker 4 (01:34):
How does that happen?

Speaker 2 (01:36):
The company that did the national search ought to be
sued by the taxpayers of Iowa or Des Moines, and
then they already called the entire school board that you
could do a Google search and find out about this guy.
Good grief. But I use that as an example of
how important it is to get involved in not just look.

(02:00):
If you want to run for Congress fan Tasting, go
have at it. You want to run for Senator fan Taesting,
go have at it. But you need a lot of organization,
a lot of support, a lot of infrastructure, a lot
of money everything to do all of that, and you're
probably not gonna win because everybody and their dog wants
to be a senator or a congressman. Why. I for
the life of me, I don't understand why, but people do.

(02:22):
Maybe you want to run for state rep or state Senator. Well,
you know that's okay to it, and Lord knows, we
could use that in Colorado or governor. Lord knows we
could use that in Colorado. But there are so many
other places, like school boards. There is a lot of controversy,
at least in my opinion, going on in Douglas County,

(02:42):
or for some really stupid stuff that the county commissioners
are doing. You could be running for county commissioner, or
you could be on one of the boards that the
county commissioners in Douglas County is using to accomplish some
things that I think are backcrap crazy. How do you
learn how to do that? Well, you enroll in my

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good friend Kathleen Chandler's Citizen Involvement Guide. They have a
training workshop and she's having won this Thursday, October two.
Now you can don't be tuban. I don't want you
tube on this thing. But it's via zoom or you know,
teams whatever. I'm not sure which platform she uses, but anyway,

(03:28):
it's Thursday. This Thursday, the second from six thirty to
eight pm, so you could have your dinner and then
you could, you know, scratch your butt and then you
could zoom in and listen about how to get involved.
To the cost of this is twenty dollars. Come on,
you're going to spend more than that today on coffee,

(03:50):
So twenty bucks. You register at I TWOI dot org,
slash local dash gov.

Speaker 3 (03:56):
Or you can go to Michael Says go here dot com.

Speaker 2 (03:58):
Or you can go to Michael Says go here dot com.
By the way, you know, if you in fact you
should go to Michael Says go here dot com and
use that link because we should demand that for everyone
that goes to that link, we get ten of the
twenty dollars that she collects, don't you think? Deal? Yeah? Deal?
Or you can contact Kathleen directly or I'll give her

(04:22):
email address out. She doesn't care. Kathleen at I to
I dot org, I too, I dot org. All right,
all right, so get that registered. It's really a good
program and it will teach you exactly how it is
that you need to get involved in all this stuff
going on. Eric Adams has exited the mayoral race see

(04:47):
running for mayor is not always a great thing. He
was expected to drop. In fact, maybe he did drop
that I paid. I didn't pay attention to news last night,
so these are from my notes. But if he does,
we'll have a three three way contest between Communist Queen's Assembly,

(05:09):
Zoe Ran, Mam Donnie, Zoe Fram, excuse me, Zoe Fram,
Mom Donnie, former Governor Andrew Cuomo, and Guardian Angels Curtis Sliwa.
Pulling down it consistently showed that Adams. Adams was trailing
really far behind Mam Donnie Coloma run ringing as an
independent swilaed the Republican candidate.

Speaker 4 (05:32):
Now.

Speaker 2 (05:32):
Back in September five, Adams had dismissed rumors of his withdrawal.
This is why every time a politician opened his opens
his or her mouth, you can just assume that, well,
sooner or later they're probably going to change something. He said,
I am the only one that can beat Man Donnie,
and he referred to Man Donnie and Cuomo as two

(05:53):
spoiled brats, which they both are. But nonetheless it was funny,
because I find it funny whether I should go look
see he's actually withdrawn. Yet maybe he's gonna do it today.
But my daughter texted me yesterday and it was kind
of funny because I can tell when she's been watching

(06:16):
the news or she's pissed off about something.

Speaker 4 (06:19):
But she said that she was so.

Speaker 2 (06:21):
Fed up with this mayoral race in New York that
perhaps they should just go ahead and vote in the
communist so that the people of New York and the
people of this country can see what happens to New
York City after a socialist slash communist runs a place
for a while. And that really kind of hit me,
and he hit me because, well, once she's probably right,

(06:43):
except that I would argue with her. We can see
that already by looking around at the country in general.
But with Mom Donnie so far ahead and the polls,
it's probably inevitable. So the Big Apple probably will go
sour and we're going to see the collapse in New
York City at some point.

Speaker 4 (07:02):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (07:03):
Maybe it'll get, you know, free subway rides. I've never
read the New York City subway. I've ridden the trains,
but I've never ridden the subway in my life and
have no intention of running the train. Uh writing the
trains and if they become free. Can you imagine, I mean,
you think about it. One I don't want to be
a Daniel Penny, and two I don't want to be
a victim, and I don't want to get pushed off

(07:24):
onto the rails. So I think I'll just avoid the
subway altogether. But have you thought when she was texting me,
I was looking for something to do for the Michael
Brown Minute. And I'm reading that text as I'm going
through my laptop trying to find some story that I
could bring to, you know, over on freedom to do

(07:47):
the promotion the promo for the weekend program, and lo
and beholdy came across this. Denver seven is reporting a
story that because of crime, because of too many large
crowds that are you know, gathering and then becoming disruptive

(08:07):
and eventually you know, spilling out into law breaking and
disturbing campers and others, too many calls for the popo,
too many you know, cops are getting too many calls.
Colorado Parks and Wildlife has decided to shut down from
I think ten PM to either five or six am,
which I found kind of interesting because.

Speaker 4 (08:29):
It's getting dark early. It's dark like at seven o'clock
or so.

Speaker 2 (08:35):
But they're shutting down Cherry Creek State Park at night
because of crime. Now, if you can't if parks. Now,
I know Cherry Creek State Park is essentially an urban park,
it's an urban state park. But to that, I guess
to that, Theresa is Chatfield State Park. A lot of
urban state parks around this state. But when you start

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shutting them down because there's too much crime in the parks,
then you lose your parks, you lose your state. And
that's what's happening in this state. And the more I
thought about it, the more I thought, maybe I'm guilty
of it. Maybe we're all guilty of it. I'm not

(09:22):
quite sure what to do. I try to explain people about,
for example, Kathleen's program that she does, about how to
get involved in you know, school boards or local districts,
you know, how to just be a citizen and involve citizen.
Maybe we need more of that because we're watching the

(09:45):
degradation of this state. Every single day. Things get worse
and worse and worse. By the way, do better Denver
is back on do Better Denver went off. I don't
know why I haven't texted them I haven't, it's none
of my business. But they went offline. They closed down
their accounts for about two or three days. But they

(10:05):
are back up and running again. They're doing their part.
I don't know what part it is that we could do,
but there ought to be something that we can do
to turn the state around it. It's obviously to rate
too too late to get involved in any election. Well,

(10:27):
not get involved in any election, but in terms of
running for some office, probably a little too late for that.
Maybe in the next cycle. But you really should consider
it a school board, you know, run for a library board,
run run for a park board, get it, get on
a zoning board, get on any number of things. And

(10:48):
it doesn't it doesn't necessarily have to be Denver. Denver's
not the only crap. The entire state's turning into a
crap whole state. So it's not just Denver, Aurora, Greenwood, Village, Broomfield, Westminster, Longmont.
I mean, everything in the urban area is just turning

(11:09):
into a crap whole state. And I just happen to
be around a little more than I expected to be.
And if you if you do more than just drive
from point A to point B. But when you're driving
from point A to point B. If you really look, granuar,

(11:31):
do a real granular look granularly?

Speaker 4 (11:34):
Is that a right?

Speaker 2 (11:35):
Is that a word?

Speaker 4 (11:36):
If you if you take.

Speaker 2 (11:37):
A real granular look at everything going on, you can
see the crime or you can see the residue of
the crime everywhere you turn. And then you think, and
I know I've talked about this ad nauseum, but you
think about the roads, the bridges, the highways and what
disrepair there in.

Speaker 4 (11:56):
It's just horrible.

Speaker 2 (11:58):
And that's because we don't spend the money on the
proper things. And then there is there's probably, there's no
doubt in my mind, there probably is some corruption going
on in terms of well, let's not choose the lowest
and best bid, Let's choose the bid that helps our

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democrat friends. So Democrat contractors get it. And then they
don't care because they're going to get the contract anyway,
and whether they do a good job or they don't
do a good job doesn't make any difference. I'm still
amazed at And I have a friend who's an engineer,
and I've often talked to him about, you know, when
they spent several years now since they finished the four
seventy express lanes and fixed four to seventy between twenty

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five and over to Wadsworth. But it's pretty bad. It's
better than it was, don't get me wrong, it's pretty good.
But when you look closely, particularly when the sun's just right,
and you can see how well they had to really
rip that kind creede out and put in new concrete.
And then as you're heading west and you get onto

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four seventy, if you're going four to seventy northbound along
the foothills, that's a really crappy highway.

Speaker 4 (13:13):
I twenty five the same thing, And it's just it amazes.

Speaker 2 (13:19):
Me how we just tolerated, and sure enough we'll re
elect a bunch of Democrats. They'll do the same crap.
I don't know what they're going to do in terms
of you know, I've got the blue book for the
upcoming election. I haven't thumbed through it yet, but the
very first thing I saw, just glancing was shall the

(13:43):
state retain some excess No? No, you can't retain any
excess funds.

Speaker 4 (13:49):
You need to.

Speaker 2 (13:51):
Spend what money you have wiser, better and inappropriate things.
Stop spending money on stupid stuff. I really get tired
of complaining about Colorado, And every time I do mark

(14:13):
my words, I'll have some text messages, I'll have some emails,
I'll have some personal text messages on my own phone
about them. Why the hell are you still there? One?
I'm still here because here is where I do what
I love doing, and I could probably go do it
somewhere else, but I choose to do it here. And

(14:37):
as long as I'm here, and as long as long
as I'm living here, everything that I do, I'm going
to try to convince you and to what degree I
can whatever I can do. For example, the kind of
some of the stuff going on in Douglas County, I'm
gonna I'm going to keep researching it, keep reading it,
and at the appropriate time, I'm gonna probably gonna start
blasting the Douglas County Commissioners for some of the stupid

(15:00):
stuff they're doing done in Douglas County, a county that
used to be fairly well known for being fiscal conservatives,
for electing conservative school board members, for making sure that
parks and rec were done properly, that roads were maintained properly,
that all the little towns and cities that are in

(15:20):
Douglas County were operated appropriately, and it just there just
seems to be on the fringes that it's beginning to fray.
And I direct a lot of that at the county
commissioners and some of the dumbass things they're doing in
terms of spending money. We just you've got to watch
everything that everybody does at every level of government, because

(15:45):
they truly believe, I don't care what level of government
it is. Once you get elected, they sincerely believe that
they know best. I mean, it takes an ego to run.
I don't care whether you're running for dog catcher, you're
running for president of the United States of America. It
makes a certain amount of.

Speaker 4 (16:01):
Ego to do that.

Speaker 2 (16:03):
And so that ego once you do get elected and
you're like, oh, wow, they really wanted me to do this,
then that power mode gets planted in your brain and
suddenly all your ideas become, through I don't know, some
sort of confirmation bias, your ideas become the best ideas
in the world, and now you just want to make

(16:24):
everything that the biggest and the grandest, because you've got
to be seen doing something as opposed to well, what
you ought to do is focus on what you have
and make sure that what you have is maintained and
that it is taken care of. And you you know,
it's it's kind of like, if the status quo needs
to be changed, change the status quo. But the status
quo is what we want and what we need and

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it's detegrating, then you want to get it back to
the status quo. But they don't do that kind of stuff.
They go off all the crazy crap and it just
it drives me nuts. So back to Kathleen's class, it's
really an opportunity to stop complaining. Well, here's what she says.
You can stop complaining and take back your community and

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your state by getting involved. The best part, you do
not need to be elected to do it. She will
teach you the skills you need to apply for local
positions and to serve as an effective leader. The training
will cover the local board commission application process, what to
expect once you are on a board, and the ongoing
support that the Independence Independence Institute can offer to you

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as you serve your community. I think that's the best
part of the whole program is that if you bite
into the apple and you decide you're going to put
your toes in the water, and you're going to go
get on these boards and commissions. Are you going to
run for a city council, whatever it is that you
decide to do. After taking this class, there will be

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a support group that will advise you and help you
so that you can be the most effective person possible
that border that commission, whatever it is that you decide
to serve on. So go check it out. It's at
Michael says, go here dot com, or if you want
to go to I two I dot org you'll find
it an I two I dot bard. But come on,

(18:14):
let's fix this stake. Let's fix it.

Speaker 4 (18:31):
Michael.

Speaker 2 (18:32):
I took your advice, and I'm listening to your podcast
while I'm at least half drunk.

Speaker 4 (18:39):
And let me tell you, you.

Speaker 2 (18:40):
Make a hell of a lot more sense when I'm inebriated.
And what's your point, I make more sense when I
am inebriated, which is really difficult on me considering I
have to start getting inebriated about four point thirty every more.

(19:00):
So you think I'm doing this without the use of
pharmaceuticals and alcohol, Good grief, nothing.

Speaker 3 (19:07):
To jump on it. Get started.

Speaker 2 (19:08):
Last night well, I guess I could do that, start
doing it at night instead. Let's talk for a moment
about self defense. I don't know why this particular story
bugs me, all right, I do too, because it's just

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loss of innocent life, and it's at a church, and
it's just I just don't get it. So yesterday, a
mass shooting and arson attacked on a Mormon church in
Grand blannc Township, Michigan. At least four dead, eight others hospitalized.
At least as of last night, the attacker also was

(19:50):
killed in a confrontation with law enforcement. The shooting began
at about ten twenty five in the morning. Hundreds, we're
going to church. The perp, identified as a forty year
old guy by the name of Thomas Jacob Sandford from Burton, Michigan,
drove his vehicle through the entrance of the church before

(20:13):
exiting and opening fire with an assault rifle. Now, once
you just think about that, I think about like the
church I grew up in, or for that matter, although
it might be a little more difficult in the like
the Cherry Hills Community Church might be a little more
difficult because the sanctuary is down in a large auditorium

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and I suppose on the side I'm trying to you know,
there's still some there's some ballards and some other stuff,
so it might be difficult in church of that size,
but you you drive through the front, and in most
small churches, you know, there's the narthex, and there's a
little a foyer and some other little things, and then

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you've got the you actually have the sanctuary. Well, if
you drive a car at high speed or at any speed
through and jump out once you go through, I mean,
you know, a wood frame building, bury your head, hit
the accelerator, blast through, and then once you through, jump

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jump out with your semi automatic or automatic weapon and
start opening fire or as they describe it, an assault rifle.
There's little time to react because you're you're first. One,
you're not expecting it. Two, once it begins to happen,

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you're trying to get your bearings. You're if you're there
with family, your first and foremost concern is to take
care of your family. Make sure that you know they're
either getting out of the building or they're you know whatever.
And once he gets the acceleerant burning, now you're certainly
trying to get out of the building. But as as

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everybody was fleeing trying to take shelter, he intentionally set
the building on fire using some sort of accelerant, led
to a major blaze partial collapse of the church structure.
Police arrived within seconds of the initial emergency call.

Speaker 4 (22:19):
They engaged him.

Speaker 2 (22:20):
In a shootout in the church parking lot, shot him
at ten thirty three, so you know, within five minutes
he's dead. FBI's taking over the investigation. But let's go
back to just how it unfolded. I talk about situational awareness,
and I talked about learning some form of self defense.
This is one of those cases where you may be

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concealed carrying in that church, but as the car blasts
through the backside, assuming it's behind you, not in front
of you. As a blasts behind you inside, you know,
and everybody turns around to see what the commotion is.
And you see a car driving through, your first reaction

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may be that, oh, somebody's drunk. Something happened, you know,
you don't necessarily think that it's somebody there deliberately trying
to do harm. They were drunk, they lost control, they
had a heart attack, any number of things. So your
mind's reeling trying to figure out what happened in what's

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going on, And of course, as the car continues in,
people are scrambling trying to get out of the pews.
You're driving your wife, your daughter, your grandkids, whatever it is,
you're trying to get out of the way. But then
he jumps out, and he jumps out, and he's got
some sort of rifle. He's got some sort of and

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I don't know whether it was semi automatic or automatic,
but he starts firing. Now do you continue to flee
or do you take cover? Those are the decisions you
have to make based all the totality of the circumstances
of is there a defensible space to get into, is
there a chance for you to get your family down

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on the ground enough to protect them. Are you close
enough to a door that you can escape through the
door while he's got the gun pointed a different direction.
All of those things are going through your head as
this occurs, and you have to make nanosecond decisions. What

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amazes me is it was the cops that took him out.
It only amazes me. Now again, I'm not criticizing anybody
inside that sanctuary. I'm trying to draw a picture in
your mind of the chaos that's taking place, and if
you are a concealed carry holder, you are simultaneously trying

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to protect your family first, if you can escape, try
to find a defensible position, and depending on what if
you escape, then you're getting out of harm's way and
you're gonna run. You're gonna get away from the incident.

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If you're in a defensible position, Now you've got to
keep your family down load behind whatever it is you're
hiding behind. And quite frankly, if he's shooting, you know,
an AR fifteen and you're hiding behind a wooden pew,
or they were just folding chairs. Again, I don't know
all the details of what took place inside the church,
but all of these things have to go through your

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mind as it's happening, escape, defense, whatever, But think of
the chaos that's ensuing while you were there to worship,
While you were there praying or sharing in communion, or

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whatever may have been singing hymns, whatever may have been
going on at the time. It to me is just
a great example of how wherever you are.

Speaker 4 (26:15):
At any time.

Speaker 2 (26:17):
We've got to recognize that this country has become a
crime ridden, infested.

Speaker 4 (26:25):
Horrible, horrible society. Not a horrible country.

Speaker 2 (26:30):
We're still a great country, but a horrible society in
which these kinds of incidences. And maybe this will drop off,
but it just seems like bam bam, bam, bam, bam bam.
We've been having these, just one after another. And if
you are an individual like we had on Friday when

(26:51):
we did taxpayer relief shots, who tunes out because it's
about violence, Well you've got your head buried in the
sand because there's violence everywhere. And I think you ought
it to yourself, you ought to your family, and you
certainly owe it to those who are around you that

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if you can do anything to defend them and to
protect them, then you need to learn to do that. Now,
while I personally would prefer it to be a firearm,
maybe that's not what you want to use. There are
non lethal guns that you can obtain. Also, the Burner,
the one that I used to endorse that, I think

(27:32):
they're still in business, but there are non lethal methods too.
The point is just figure out some form of self
defense so when these things take place, you don't become
a victim, or if you do become a victim, maybe

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you protected somebody else. I want you to think about
that happened in a Mormon church in a place in
this small township in Michigan. It can happen anywhere, and
you want to yourself, to your family, to your co
workers to be ready for it.

Speaker 4 (28:14):
Good morning, Michael.

Speaker 2 (28:16):
Kamala Harris got what she asked for. She said the
night before, you have to fight fire with fire.

Speaker 4 (28:27):
She got what she asked for the night before.

Speaker 3 (28:32):
I'm assuming going to this guy that set the church
on fire that she said in a speech we must
fight fire with fire. So apparently there must be some
kind of correlation between Kamala's.

Speaker 4 (28:43):
I was saying that she got something. She got what
she asked for, right, she got what fire with fire?

Speaker 2 (28:48):
Well, I think I think more in terms of what
she got something she ain't coming to her God like,
did something happened to Kamala Oh, in addition to the church.
This is how we're becoming numb to this. And I
have to say this, which fascinates me. So far, I've

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not heard that much discussion, and maybe it's because I'm
living in a bubble about the use of firearms. I
think the church in Michigan, because of the fire. There
was more focus on the fire because that gave the media.
You know that bleeds leads well. That gave them the

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visuals they needed for their story. So, yes, he had
a automatic or a semi automatic weapon. I'm not clear yet.
I don't know all the details. But then we had
the bar on the waterfront in North Carolina. So imagine,
and I forget the location, but you're sitting on a

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riverside bar having dinner and drinks with family or friends,
and you know, boats are going up and down the river,
and there's a boat going up and down the river,
and suddenly they open fire on the bar. We have

(30:18):
reached the stage in the country where if you don't
recognize that we have a sick society and that evil
I'm talking about satanic evil, evil is moving through this country.
And I think evil is moving through this country without
getting too theological here, because the goodness in the country

(30:42):
is really coming to the forefront. You think about the
reaction to the Charlie Kirk assassination. You think about just
how Trump is really getting us back on track in
terms of the good that this country can do, not
just domestically, but around the world. And so the satanic

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evil that exists in the world is now rearing its
ugly head, fighting back as strongly as it can, and
we need to recognize that. And this North Carolina incident,
both of these incidents bother me, but I more relate

(31:26):
or I look, I'm not trying to say one's different
than the other or one's worse than the other, not
trying to do that whatsoever. It's just that a house
of worship you kind of expect to be a target.
It's not that we've come to accept it, but just

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that you kind of expect it. But a quiet tourist
area on a river where you're just having a dinner
and a glass of wine or a shot of whiskey
or tequila, whatever you're doing, and having a nice dinner
with you know, another couple or you know, your children,

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your family, whatever, and somebody comes along in a motor
boat and just starts opening fire. If you haven't, if
you're not paying attention to these stories and not thinking
to yourself, hey, you know what, it's time for me
to learn some form of self defense. It's time for
me to start focusing on situational awareness. It's time for

(32:32):
me to start thinking about okay, wherever I am. Every
time I go somewhere, wherever I am, you need to
think about escape routes. Where could someone come into this
place and start firing or start attacking, and how would
I defend whoever's with me? Now I think about it

(32:55):
in terms of how do I get family or friends
into a defensible place position? And then do I have
an opportunity to use my weapon to take someone out?
If you choose not to use a weapon, then you've
got to learn situational awareness and understand is there an

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escape route, is there a defensible position?

Speaker 4 (33:18):
What can I do?

Speaker 2 (33:20):
And don't You don't have to make it such that
you are consumed by that. It has to start where
it becomes natural, where wherever you go, every time you
go somewhere. And I know, again, the likelihood of it
happening in any one particular place is small, but the
consequences of when it does happen in that one particular

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place where it was unlikely, the consequences are catastrophic. So
it doesn't mean that you have to walk around paranoid
all the time. There's a huge difference between situational awareness
and paranoia. And all I'm encouraging to do is based
on the news recently and based on what appears to

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me to be a real serious battle going on in
this country between good and evil. You've got to learn
either how to defend or to protect yourself and your
family and your co worker or your friends, whoever it
is you're with. If you don't, you're not being responsible.

Speaker 4 (34:26):
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