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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Well, good morning dragon, and like whoever else is in
there with you, just driving today instead of sitting at
my desk. Okay't wait to hear from you guys, whether
it's a Caldera or that brown guy, you know whatever.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Okay, Dave Fellers, that brown guy, that brown guy. What
kind of racist crap is that we are more than.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Our skin color?
Speaker 2 (00:31):
And I'm not.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Brown, I'm you know, I'm Mediterranean. What Oh Michael Brown?
Speaker 2 (00:40):
He could have said round guy, that that would have
That wouldn't be you, that would be me.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Yeah, yeah, that's a good point. Hey, I'm John Caldera.
It's seven minutes after it. Give me a call.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Three oh three seven one three eight two five five
seven one three talk.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Let us jump right into it.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
The big news Colorado losing space command.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
You for something that when Trump in his first term
said the words space command, everybody laughed, how stupid is here?
Speaker 3 (01:16):
And lo and behold.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Space command is a big friggin' deal and wildly important
to our national security because our weapons systems rely on satellites.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
Our ability to see what's.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Going on in the world rely on satellites, our targeting
devices rely on satellites. Our troop movements rely on GPS
global positioning systems. Taking out anything in space leaves America
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completely defenseless and impossible, impossible to defend. And when you
think about how easy it would be to take out
what we have in space, I mean one electron magnetic pulse,
maybe some well armed lasers, maybe even some nukes in
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the stratosphere to fry them.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
And that's that. So space command is a key, key,
key element of what our defenses are putting. Space command
in Colorado Springs.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
From the military folks that I've spoken to, and I
am not a military expert, be sure, but I've spoken
with many, many generals, and they all seem to agree.
Retired ones you can talk to the ones who are
still in service. They're not allowed to talk to you,
but they understand that that Colorado Springs was chosen for
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a lot of reasons, not just the people of Colorado Springs,
not just the ability to get talent.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
But Norrad is there.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Norrad which tracks every little thing that goes into space
and it orbits.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
Yeah, and they also track Santa. I actually went down.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
There on one Christmas when they were tracking Santa. It's
it's pretty it's pretty pretty amazing person. I think it's
a violation of Santa's privacy to be reporting on moch
movements the way Norrad does, But it's a wonderful service.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
For those of you who don't know. Every Christmas Eve.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
They have the Santa Tracker and your kids can call
up nor Ad and actually talk to someone who is
tracking Santanta and they can tell you where Santa is,
so to make sure that you get to bed on
time before he gets there. A public service for every
parent everywhere. But beyond tracking Santa, they track missile launches.
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Missile launches which are going to become even more difficult
to track with the idea of hypersonic rockets. These are
rockets that can change direction and therefore are much harder
to hit with countermeasures. This is a big deal. This
is a huge loss for Colorado. It's a huge loss
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for Colorado Springs. I've spoke with Jeff Crank, who's the
congressman from that district. He assures us that there's still
going to be an amazing space industry in Colorado and
in Colorado Springs. That Colorado Springs, says developed a reputation
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as the place to go for space commerce and so
there'll still be growth. It will still be a huge
growth industry for Colorado Springs and Colorado. But losing space
Command is an economic and I believe defense blow to
the nation. If left up to their druthers, I believe
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most military experts would like to have it in Colorado
for all the various reasons.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
So why move it? Is it just retribution?
Speaker 2 (05:37):
But before we get into the retribrudation aspect and this
idea of mail in ballots, let's let's pin this on Trump.
Trump made a bad decision. This is a bad decision,
and there's a lot of blame to go around. The
first blame, I believe needs to go to the president.
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The president's job is to defend the nation. Are their
job is? His job is not to pass out political
favors or to hurt those who voted against him. And
that sure seems that sure seems like what's going on here.
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So let's first and foremost say Trump is making a
bad decision for the wrong reasons. The wrong reasons is
to get even with a state that voted against him,
and to vote that in a state that antagonizes him.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
Let's go to that part next.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
They make it very clear first blame, Donald Trump got it.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
Second blame.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
In the Denver Gazette Today really lays this out in
their House editorial. Trump's decision, they write, it was entirely political,
rewarding a red state and punishing a blue state. Yet
Colorado help inspire this unforced error. Aside from Trump, the
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fault lies largely with Colorado's top Democrats, Governor Jared Polis,
Senators Hickenlooper and Michael Bennett, and a Colorado attorney, Phil Wiser,
who have spent the last ten months gratuitously antagonizing the
commander in chief rather than engaging in the diplomacy needed
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to safeguard our interests.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
That is a very interesting point.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
I know that Democrats cannot help but jump on Trump,
but our leaders do have a responsibility to protect Colorado's interests.
Ye let me read on a little bit and tell
me what you think about this. Give me a call.
Three h three seven to one three eight two five
five or of course the text line. After Trump's decisive
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victory in November, Polus wasted no time launching a Governor's
Safeguarding Democracy initiative, with Illinois Governor Pritzker framing it as
a ballwark against Trump's agenda, no matter what direction that
might take, to maintain a constant drumbeat of defiance for
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the sake of it. Polus has repeatedly slammed Trump's tariffs
as reckless and likened them to the death Star. In July,
he accused the Trump administration of creating chaos for schools.
Kickenlooper has been equally combative. In February twenty twenty five,
he warned that Trump's federal program cuts would bring pain
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to farmers, veterans, and food stamp recipients. By April, he
urged the US Court to hold Trump officials in contempt
and quote lock them up. Higginlooper has decried Trump's tariffs
as pulverizing small business, a recipe for recession, which so
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far we haven't seen. In August, Higginlooper attacked Trump's push
to end mail in ballots, calling it an assault on
democracy and announcing the Space Commands move. Trump said Colorado's
all mail in voting system was a major reason.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
He's moving the command.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Take a side step from that. That shouldn't be a
reason to move the command. I agree with Trump on
all male balloting. I'm not a fan of all male balloting,
but that has nothing to do with the nation's safety
and international security. He's got to think of that when
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making a decision as military commander in chief.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
All right.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Continuing on from this interesting editorial, in March, Bennett sounded
the alarm on Trump's tariffs against Canada and Mexico, warning
of economic damage. By June, he pushed amendments to combat
Trump family corruption at town halls. He's rallied against Trump policies.
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Wiser as of Tuesy, this one's really interesting. Wiser as
of Tuesday, has embroiled Colorado in a whopping thirty five
mostly frivolous lawsuits against Trump. Now he speaks of a
frivolous suit to stop the relocation of Space Command, as
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if the United States Supreme Court can suddenly appoint themselves
commander in chief.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
What a great line. Hey, I get it.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
You're a g Wiser, you're running for governor, You're going
to virtual signal, You're going to sue and sue and sue.
But come on, elections have consequences. This is one of
those consequences.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
All Right. I like this this part. We get it.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
Colorado Democrats despise Trump personally, but those elected and sworn
to protect Colorado owe us better than blind, counterproductive hatred.
Military installations like Space Command demand respect for the presidency
and strategic outreach, not endless attacks. These leaders only governing
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doctrine has been just hate Trump and win elections. That
has cost us dearly five thousand to ten thousand jobs,
gone one billion annually, an economic output evaporated in our
State's leadership in space operations undermined quite simply because Thattte finishes.
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Colorado's pro crime, hateful, radical left leadership gave Trump no
reason to trust US with Space Command and led to
damning consequences. Colorado deserves leaders who prioritize outcomes for our
state and country over partisan grudges with a man who
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holds all the cards.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
All right, So.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
That's an interesting take, and I get it. That doesn't
excuse Trump from making a hideous decision for vindictive reasons.
But this is a very true, unfriendly place. How do
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you feel about a president who uses his office in
this vindictive way? It's concerning, would that be the right
word concerning? No, it's not a full on panic. No,
it's not a full on loss of democracy. All the
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other things that the Trump haters will be screaming about.
Would we get rid of mail in ballots to get
space command back.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
That's a double win right there.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
That being said, mail in ballots in Colorado are relatively
secure and probably among the nation's most secure mail in ballots. No,
I'm not saying they're perfect. No, I'm not saying it works.
I would still like in person voting with with voter ID,
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but it's unlike other states like Pennsylvania, who came across
with mail in balloting and did it in one election
out of nowhere. Colorado had a long history of stepping
into mail in ballots slowly. First we had absentee ballots,
then we had permanent absentee ballots. People could say, hey,
just send me my ballot, and then slowly it moved
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towards all mail in ballots. So it took about a
decade of different elections to get us from no mail
in ballots to all mail in ballots. We do have
a signature verification, which is not much of a verification
for me. As you know you sign the outside of
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your mail in ballot. Election judges look at your signature
compared to what they have on file. If it looks reasonable,
it goes through. If it doesn't, it gets pulled aside,
and they're supposed to verify it with you the voter. Now,
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you could have a Republican and a Democrat on both
sides watching these watching these signatures.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
Signatures are not ID. You know what idea is? Identification
cards voter ID.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
You know it's It's maddening to me when I hear
people scream, Oh, this is.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
You're You're intimidating voters by requiring them to show their ID.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
You can't get on a plane, you cannot cast your
welfare checks, you cannot open a bank account, you can't
buy a bottle of beer, you can't do anything without
an ID. Nobody, and I mean especially those people who
claim voter intimidation, can't say voter ID is voter intimidation
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and be.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
Serious about it.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Can I get an amen on that one? All right?
So here's a couple questions. Do you blame Trump? Was
this retaliation? I think the answer is obviously yes. Would
you get rid of mail in balloting if it meant
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we could keep space command?
Speaker 3 (16:34):
Who is to blame for this?
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Do you think that if Colorado's leaders, including our two senators,
our governor, and our ag if they were not so
ridiculously combative and antagonistic and constantly jumping out. I mean,
I think of Polis's governor's safeguarding democracy to to fight
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Trump's agenda. But we didn't know what that would be.
Do we have systems in place for that. It's called
the courts. The courts just handed Trump of huge defeat
saying putting trope troops in LA was unconstitutional. I disagree
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with that, and I have a feeling courts might might
change that. What is the fallout here? The biggest fallout
is the nation is less safe. The fallout for Colorado
is tremendous. It's funny when you go down to Colorado
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Springs and you look at some of the old articles,
newspaper articles when Colorado Springs got the Air Force Academy,
I think that.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
Was in the sixties.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
It was just amazing what it did to Colorado Springs
and to Colorado. Losing the Air Force Academy would be devastating.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
This is equally as devastating.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
Anyone want to take Trump on and say this was
a mistake three three, seven, three eight, two five five,
keep it right here, you're on six point thirty j half.
Speaker 5 (18:34):
It's very interesting to see how the Trump arrangement syndrome works.
We had Jensaki to an entire segment that something must
be wrong with Trump's health because he was out of
the public eye for a few days, peasantly over the weekend.
This is the same woman who was Joe Biden's press secretary,
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who really didn't care that he was not speaking to
anybody from months. This is the problem.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
What a great observation. Really grasping at straws. We haven't
seen the president in it in two days.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Yeah, we didn't see the last president for months on end,
and the press covers that up. And then when we
do see Trump, he yanks the rug out of Colorado's feet,
takes away space command.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
What a shame.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
It's thirty five minutes after I'm John Calder, give me
a call three h three seven to one, three eight
two five five interesting texts for coming in, John thirty
five lawsuits against the federal government. What does that cost
Colorado taxpayers? Well, only your money. Now, technically I suppose
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if he wins, if the age here wins lawsuits, maybe
he gets money back in legal fees from the federal government.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
But oh wait a second, that's our money too.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
This one's interesting, John, Do independent audits of Colorado's male
in ballots ever take place? That should be a standard practice. Yeah,
they do, they do, But I've got a little bit
of knowledge in this area. The audits that they do
are never close audits. They usually audit races or precincts
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where they have.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
A large disparity.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
So one team wins overwhelmingly and then they do an
audit and it's like, yeah, that one team did win
in this area.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
This is a little technical.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
These audits happen after the election instead of during the election,
And because because they happen after the election, they don't
have a lot of time to do it. But Colorado
has a three week long election day. They could be
doing an audit, a rolling audit of our mail in ballots,
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and that would make me feel a lot more secure.
Here's an interesting text, John, I feel about Trump and
his partisan use of his office as I do Phil Wiser.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
Both are vindictive. Ooo.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Wiser has the power to affect me. Sooner he's in
my state. Closer the government, the faster and more complete
they can control the people.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
What a superb point. This is why the organization I run.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
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run by Kathleen Chandler, and we try to get people
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Speaker 3 (22:01):
She does incredible classes.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
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Speaker 3 (22:26):
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Speaker 2 (22:27):
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Without Independence, we wouldn't have the flat tax, we wouldn't
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we wouldn't have the taxpayer Bill of Rights. We wouldn't
have a lot of the things that we work for.
And that's just how we play offense. In the last decade,
we've been playing a lot of defense, and think of
all the taxes we have stopped.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
So to let off a little steam.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
We do a fundraiser every year called our Alcohol, Tobacco
and Firearms Party. No, I'm not joking. We smoke, drink,
and shoot, sadly not in that order because of the lawyers.
Oh the lawyers. They don't want you to get drunk
before you play with guns. I don't understand their logic,
but you know what can I do? And we do
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as angering the nannyists. And before our new gun laws
go into effect. You might want to do it now. Hmm,
all right, let's get back a little bit to Space Command.
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How about this text. I hear what you're saying about
Trump being vindictive by removing Space Command, but all he's
doing is playing by the rules the Democrats created, and
for once we have a Republican with a spine. Hopefully
actions like this piss Colorado oft enough to realize their
current state leadership is at dumpster fire and it creates change. Yeah.
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I won't hold your breath on that one, but I
don't believe the nation is less safe because of the
move Headquarters. The infrastructure for space defense is already in place.
HQ is just a building. It sucks for Colorado Springs
in the state economy, but hurt national defense. No, I
don't know if I agree you. A lot of the
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operations happen here in Colorado. They happen here. And when
you have to have a destructive move, something that disrupts
what they've been working on for years, now, that's a problem.
That's an expense. How many people would rather live in Huntsville, Alabama?
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How many good people are they going to lose because
they don't want to move to Huntsville, Alabama. Where would
you rather live nestled in the foot of the Rockies
in Colorado Springs or Huntsville, Alabama. No, you know that
there's going to be a talent deficit because of this.
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That's a problem. There's going to be a recruiting problem.
There's Yeah, and I get it. It's not just a building.
There's a reason why we applauded when Trump put the
Bureau of Land Management in Grand Junction because it was
closer to where the operations are. Most of the Bureau's
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land is out west. Why run it from some place in.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
Washington, d C.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Why not run it in the heart of where it
is in Grand Junction? In the same way, why would
you Why would you take away Space Command from where
most of its operations are at Nora Ad and other
places around Colorado. Yeah, I disagree. I think it's I
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think it's not good. And it's partly partly from what
I've heard from many retired generals and people in the field,
that Colorado was preferred from those who want who work
in national defense of that Alabama ain't great. Give more
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of these texts, John, As long as Colorado voters keep
electing lefty Libs will continue to suffer fair point in
so many ways.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
But it's still wrong for.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
The president to be vindictive against Colorado.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
Because the people here didn't vote for him.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
He needs to be president for all Americans, including the
ones that did not vote for him, including those stupid
enough to vote for the leaders that we have in
this state or in a state like California. That's the
sign of a great president. H John, I agree with
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Trump moving Space Force as long as we have space cadets.
The Democrats running the asylum Colorado. I don't blame him.
I hear they may move the Force academy too.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
I blame the Democrats. Oh. I like this one from Rochelle.
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
We just mentioned Kathleen Chandler and her wonderful project of
a Citizen's Involvement Project Independence Institute.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
Well, actually, could John help me?
Speaker 2 (28:41):
Could Kathleen Chandler help me understand a ballot initiative that
the school district is putting on the November ballot. Some
of the language makes it sound like it's not only
a permanent tax increase, but gives them permission to go
back and collect on previous mill levy overrides. I wouldn't
be surprised if that's the case. All right, three h
three seven to one, three eight two five five seven
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to one three.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
Talk who takes the fall for this.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
The political reality is that the people who have been
antagonizing the president, the governor, the ag are two senators
will continue to antagonize the president, and they will double down.
Do you think that the president calling out mail in
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balloting in Colorado is is going to change anything? No,
partly because Coloradden's really like their mail in ballots. I
hate to tell you this one, but this is likely
here to stay. Coloradden's like the convenience of getting their
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ballots mailed to them and dropping them off or mailing
them back. That's the reason. That's the reason why it's
not going to change. I think voters enjoy the mail
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in ballot.
Speaker 6 (30:18):
Yeah, I think most of them know it's not that
secure and that's not that great, but it's great enough,
and I disagree with them.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Here's the reasons I despise the mail in ballot. One
is that, of course it's open for fraud. People can
steal your ballot, People harvest those ballots at mail rooms
and condominiums and rental halls or rental buildings. They just
pull them out of the trash, and so there is
funny business. They are not as secure as we'd like
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them to be. But for me, the big problem is
it creates an election month, not an election day, so
we have nearly a month where the election is held.
This helps the left tremendously because every day during that period,
the Secretary of State puts out a database that shows
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who's voted and who hasn't.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
And the lefts.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
Analytics are so good they know if you vote, you're
gonna vote this way. If your neighbor votes, he's gonna
vote the other way. So when they see that your
neighbor hasn't voted, they hunt him down. They might call him,
they'll might send him emails, they might knock on his door.
They might have a friend knock on his door saying, hey,
come on, get you that ballot in. And so it becomes
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a ballot harvesting operation and the Democrats run circles around us.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
There's nothing illegal about it, but that's why they.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
Want a mail in election month, not a walk in
election day. Also, the dynamics of an election swing. In
those three weeks, we learn more things, we learn more
things about candidates. Sometimes candidates drop out, sometimes candidates die.
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Let's take a quick breather, give me a call, three
or three seven to one, three eight, two five five.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
Keep it here.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
You're on six thirty K. How we are glad you
are still alive. Indeed, Andy, I'm John Caldera. Seven minutes
to the top three h three seven one three eight
two five five Any final any final words on.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
This move to Alabama? That do you really want this? H?
Speaker 2 (32:53):
How about this comment on on the text line, John,
I would rather one thousand percent rather live in Alabama
than this hell hole of Colorado.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
Go there before you trash Huntsville by the way.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
I I've been to I've been to Bama. I cannot
handle Bama. I cannot handle the humidity and heat of Bama. No,
not for me, No, no, no, no, no, h John.
I think a good improvement for mail in ballots would
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be to send a request for verification who you are,
where you live, and do you want a ballot for
each year? Yes?
Speaker 3 (33:47):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
The problem is once you're in the system, they keep
sending you ballots.
Speaker 3 (33:53):
You move out of state, they send you balance.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
They send out the most important documentary Democracy Like It
was a close restore coupon book
Well, good morning dragon, and like whoever else is in
there with you, just driving today instead of sitting at
my desk. Okay't wait to hear from you guys, whether
it's a Caldera or that brown guy, you know whatever.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Okay, Dave Fellers, that brown guy, that brown guy. What
kind of racist crap is that we are more than.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Our skin color?
Speaker 2 (00:31):
And I'm not.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Brown, I'm you know, I'm Mediterranean. What Oh Michael Brown?
Speaker 2 (00:40):
He could have said round guy, that that would have
That wouldn't be you, that would be me.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Yeah, yeah, that's a good point. Hey, I'm John Caldera.
It's seven minutes after it. Give me a call.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Three oh three seven one three eight two five five
seven one three talk.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Let us jump right into it.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
The big news Colorado losing space command.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
You for something that when Trump in his first term
said the words space command, everybody laughed, how stupid is here?
Speaker 3 (01:16):
And lo and behold.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Space command is a big friggin' deal and wildly important
to our national security because our weapons systems rely on satellites.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
Our ability to see what's.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Going on in the world rely on satellites, our targeting
devices rely on satellites. Our troop movements rely on GPS
global positioning systems. Taking out anything in space leaves America
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completely defenseless and impossible, impossible to defend. And when you
think about how easy it would be to take out
what we have in space, I mean one electron magnetic pulse,
maybe some well armed lasers, maybe even some nukes in
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the stratosphere to fry them.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
And that's that. So space command is a key, key,
key element of what our defenses are putting. Space command
in Colorado Springs.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
From the military folks that I've spoken to, and I
am not a military expert, be sure, but I've spoken
with many, many generals, and they all seem to agree.
Retired ones you can talk to the ones who are
still in service. They're not allowed to talk to you,
but they understand that that Colorado Springs was chosen for
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a lot of reasons, not just the people of Colorado Springs,
not just the ability to get talent.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
But Norrad is there.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Norrad which tracks every little thing that goes into space
and it orbits.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
Yeah, and they also track Santa. I actually went down.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
There on one Christmas when they were tracking Santa. It's
it's pretty it's pretty pretty amazing person. I think it's
a violation of Santa's privacy to be reporting on moch
movements the way Norrad does, But it's a wonderful service.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
For those of you who don't know. Every Christmas Eve.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
They have the Santa Tracker and your kids can call
up nor Ad and actually talk to someone who is
tracking Santanta and they can tell you where Santa is,
so to make sure that you get to bed on
time before he gets there. A public service for every
parent everywhere. But beyond tracking Santa, they track missile launches.
(04:18):
Missile launches which are going to become even more difficult
to track with the idea of hypersonic rockets. These are
rockets that can change direction and therefore are much harder
to hit with countermeasures. This is a big deal. This
is a huge loss for Colorado. It's a huge loss
(04:40):
for Colorado Springs. I've spoke with Jeff Crank, who's the
congressman from that district. He assures us that there's still
going to be an amazing space industry in Colorado and
in Colorado Springs. That Colorado Springs, says developed a reputation
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as the place to go for space commerce and so
there'll still be growth. It will still be a huge
growth industry for Colorado Springs and Colorado. But losing space
Command is an economic and I believe defense blow to
the nation. If left up to their druthers, I believe
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most military experts would like to have it in Colorado
for all the various reasons.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
So why move it? Is it just retribution?
Speaker 2 (05:37):
But before we get into the retribrudation aspect and this
idea of mail in ballots, let's let's pin this on Trump.
Trump made a bad decision. This is a bad decision,
and there's a lot of blame to go around. The
first blame, I believe needs to go to the president.
(06:00):
The president's job is to defend the nation. Are their
job is? His job is not to pass out political
favors or to hurt those who voted against him. And
that sure seems that sure seems like what's going on here.
(06:24):
So let's first and foremost say Trump is making a
bad decision for the wrong reasons. The wrong reasons is
to get even with a state that voted against him,
and to vote that in a state that antagonizes him.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
Let's go to that part next.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
They make it very clear first blame, Donald Trump got it.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
Second blame.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
In the Denver Gazette Today really lays this out in
their House editorial. Trump's decision, they write, it was entirely political,
rewarding a red state and punishing a blue state. Yet
Colorado help inspire this unforced error. Aside from Trump, the
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fault lies largely with Colorado's top Democrats, Governor Jared Polis,
Senators Hickenlooper and Michael Bennett, and a Colorado attorney, Phil Wiser,
who have spent the last ten months gratuitously antagonizing the
commander in chief rather than engaging in the diplomacy needed
(07:37):
to safeguard our interests.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
That is a very interesting point.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
I know that Democrats cannot help but jump on Trump,
but our leaders do have a responsibility to protect Colorado's interests.
Ye let me read on a little bit and tell
me what you think about this. Give me a call.
Three h three seven to one three eight two five
five or of course the text line. After Trump's decisive
(08:11):
victory in November, Polus wasted no time launching a Governor's
Safeguarding Democracy initiative, with Illinois Governor Pritzker framing it as
a ballwark against Trump's agenda, no matter what direction that
might take, to maintain a constant drumbeat of defiance for
(08:34):
the sake of it. Polus has repeatedly slammed Trump's tariffs
as reckless and likened them to the death Star. In July,
he accused the Trump administration of creating chaos for schools.
Kickenlooper has been equally combative. In February twenty twenty five,
he warned that Trump's federal program cuts would bring pain
(08:58):
to farmers, veterans, and food stamp recipients. By April, he
urged the US Court to hold Trump officials in contempt
and quote lock them up. Higginlooper has decried Trump's tariffs
as pulverizing small business, a recipe for recession, which so
(09:19):
far we haven't seen. In August, Higginlooper attacked Trump's push
to end mail in ballots, calling it an assault on
democracy and announcing the Space Commands move. Trump said Colorado's
all mail in voting system was a major reason.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
He's moving the command.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Take a side step from that. That shouldn't be a
reason to move the command. I agree with Trump on
all male balloting. I'm not a fan of all male balloting,
but that has nothing to do with the nation's safety
and international security. He's got to think of that when
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making a decision as military commander in chief.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
All right.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Continuing on from this interesting editorial, in March, Bennett sounded
the alarm on Trump's tariffs against Canada and Mexico, warning
of economic damage. By June, he pushed amendments to combat
Trump family corruption at town halls. He's rallied against Trump policies.
(10:30):
Wiser as of Tuesy, this one's really interesting. Wiser as
of Tuesday, has embroiled Colorado in a whopping thirty five
mostly frivolous lawsuits against Trump. Now he speaks of a
frivolous suit to stop the relocation of Space Command, as
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if the United States Supreme Court can suddenly appoint themselves
commander in chief.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
What a great line. Hey, I get it.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
You're a g Wiser, you're running for governor, You're going
to virtual signal, You're going to sue and sue and sue.
But come on, elections have consequences. This is one of
those consequences.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
All Right. I like this this part. We get it.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
Colorado Democrats despise Trump personally, but those elected and sworn
to protect Colorado owe us better than blind, counterproductive hatred.
Military installations like Space Command demand respect for the presidency
and strategic outreach, not endless attacks. These leaders only governing
(11:47):
doctrine has been just hate Trump and win elections. That
has cost us dearly five thousand to ten thousand jobs,
gone one billion annually, an economic output evaporated in our
State's leadership in space operations undermined quite simply because Thattte finishes.
(12:12):
Colorado's pro crime, hateful, radical left leadership gave Trump no
reason to trust US with Space Command and led to
damning consequences. Colorado deserves leaders who prioritize outcomes for our
state and country over partisan grudges with a man who
(12:34):
holds all the cards.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
All right, So.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
That's an interesting take, and I get it. That doesn't
excuse Trump from making a hideous decision for vindictive reasons.
But this is a very true, unfriendly place. How do
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you feel about a president who uses his office in
this vindictive way? It's concerning, would that be the right
word concerning? No, it's not a full on panic. No,
it's not a full on loss of democracy. All the
(13:26):
other things that the Trump haters will be screaming about.
Would we get rid of mail in ballots to get
space command back.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
That's a double win right there.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
That being said, mail in ballots in Colorado are relatively
secure and probably among the nation's most secure mail in ballots. No,
I'm not saying they're perfect. No, I'm not saying it works.
I would still like in person voting with with voter ID,
(14:07):
but it's unlike other states like Pennsylvania, who came across
with mail in balloting and did it in one election
out of nowhere. Colorado had a long history of stepping
into mail in ballots slowly. First we had absentee ballots,
then we had permanent absentee ballots. People could say, hey,
just send me my ballot, and then slowly it moved
(14:31):
towards all mail in ballots. So it took about a
decade of different elections to get us from no mail
in ballots to all mail in ballots. We do have
a signature verification, which is not much of a verification
for me. As you know you sign the outside of
(14:52):
your mail in ballot. Election judges look at your signature
compared to what they have on file. If it looks reasonable,
it goes through. If it doesn't, it gets pulled aside,
and they're supposed to verify it with you the voter. Now,
(15:14):
you could have a Republican and a Democrat on both
sides watching these watching these signatures.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
Signatures are not ID. You know what idea is? Identification
cards voter ID.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
You know it's It's maddening to me when I hear
people scream, Oh, this is.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
You're You're intimidating voters by requiring them to show their ID.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
You can't get on a plane, you cannot cast your
welfare checks, you cannot open a bank account, you can't
buy a bottle of beer, you can't do anything without
an ID. Nobody, and I mean especially those people who
claim voter intimidation, can't say voter ID is voter intimidation
(16:04):
and be.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
Serious about it.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Can I get an amen on that one? All right?
So here's a couple questions. Do you blame Trump? Was
this retaliation? I think the answer is obviously yes. Would
you get rid of mail in balloting if it meant
(16:28):
we could keep space command?
Speaker 3 (16:34):
Who is to blame for this?
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Do you think that if Colorado's leaders, including our two senators,
our governor, and our ag if they were not so
ridiculously combative and antagonistic and constantly jumping out. I mean,
I think of Polis's governor's safeguarding democracy to to fight
(17:01):
Trump's agenda. But we didn't know what that would be.
Do we have systems in place for that. It's called
the courts. The courts just handed Trump of huge defeat
saying putting trope troops in LA was unconstitutional. I disagree
(17:24):
with that, and I have a feeling courts might might
change that. What is the fallout here? The biggest fallout
is the nation is less safe. The fallout for Colorado
is tremendous. It's funny when you go down to Colorado
(17:49):
Springs and you look at some of the old articles,
newspaper articles when Colorado Springs got the Air Force Academy,
I think that.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
Was in the sixties.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
It was just amazing what it did to Colorado Springs
and to Colorado. Losing the Air Force Academy would be devastating.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
This is equally as devastating.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
Anyone want to take Trump on and say this was
a mistake three three, seven, three eight, two five five,
keep it right here, you're on six point thirty j half.
Speaker 5 (18:34):
It's very interesting to see how the Trump arrangement syndrome works.
We had Jensaki to an entire segment that something must
be wrong with Trump's health because he was out of
the public eye for a few days, peasantly over the weekend.
This is the same woman who was Joe Biden's press secretary,
(18:55):
who really didn't care that he was not speaking to
anybody from months. This is the problem.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
What a great observation. Really grasping at straws. We haven't
seen the president in it in two days.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Yeah, we didn't see the last president for months on end,
and the press covers that up. And then when we
do see Trump, he yanks the rug out of Colorado's feet,
takes away space command.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
What a shame.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
It's thirty five minutes after I'm John Calder, give me
a call three h three seven to one, three eight
two five five interesting texts for coming in, John thirty
five lawsuits against the federal government. What does that cost
Colorado taxpayers? Well, only your money. Now, technically I suppose
(19:57):
if he wins, if the age here wins lawsuits, maybe
he gets money back in legal fees from the federal government.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
But oh wait a second, that's our money too.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
This one's interesting, John, Do independent audits of Colorado's male
in ballots ever take place? That should be a standard practice. Yeah,
they do, they do, But I've got a little bit
of knowledge in this area. The audits that they do
are never close audits. They usually audit races or precincts
(20:39):
where they have.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
A large disparity.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
So one team wins overwhelmingly and then they do an
audit and it's like, yeah, that one team did win
in this area.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
This is a little technical.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
These audits happen after the election instead of during the election,
And because because they happen after the election, they don't
have a lot of time to do it. But Colorado
has a three week long election day. They could be
doing an audit, a rolling audit of our mail in ballots,
(21:17):
and that would make me feel a lot more secure.
Here's an interesting text, John, I feel about Trump and
his partisan use of his office as I do Phil Wiser.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
Both are vindictive. Ooo.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Wiser has the power to affect me. Sooner he's in
my state. Closer the government, the faster and more complete
they can control the people.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
What a superb point. This is why the organization I run.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
Independence Institute has a terrific program, our Citizen Involvement Program
run by Kathleen Chandler, and we try to get people
involve in their local government.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
She does incredible classes.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Online of how these local government work, how you can
get more involved because it's your local government that decides
your zoning, your taxes, your schools, your education, your building codes,
your business codes, all the rest. So go to thinkfreedom
dot org, thinkfreedom dot org and sign up.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
Check it out.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
While you're there, you need to put a plug in
for the best party of the year. So Independence Institute
has been around forty years, pointing to Colorado's Liberty North Star.
Without Independence, we wouldn't have the flat tax, we wouldn't
have lowered the flat tax several times. We wouldn't have
charter schools and open enrollment. We wouldn't have concealed carry,
(22:50):
we wouldn't have the taxpayer Bill of Rights. We wouldn't
have a lot of the things that we work for.
And that's just how we play offense. In the last decade,
we've been playing a lot of defense, and think of
all the taxes we have stopped.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
So to let off a little steam.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
We do a fundraiser every year called our Alcohol, Tobacco
and Firearms Party. No, I'm not joking. We smoke, drink,
and shoot, sadly not in that order because of the lawyers.
Oh the lawyers. They don't want you to get drunk
before you play with guns. I don't understand their logic,
but you know what can I do? And we do
(23:29):
this on September thirteenth, so coming up here and just
just ten days, oh my goodness. And we go out
to the Kiowa Creek Sporting Clays and we do a
shotgun course. We smoke great cigars, we drink great whiskey,
and we listen to a great speaker this time. John Fund,
(23:50):
you know, has work from Wall Street Journal and all
sorts of other places. So if you like to hack
off a nannyist by enjoying the hirks of adulthood by
all means, just go to Independence Institute. Go to thinkfreedom
dot org, Think freedom dot org. Come out to our Alcohol,
(24:11):
Tobacco and Firearms Party. Loah, let off a little steam
by pulling some triggers and busting some clays as well
as angering the nannyists. And before our new gun laws
go into effect. You might want to do it now. Hmm,
all right, let's get back a little bit to Space Command.
(24:35):
How about this text. I hear what you're saying about
Trump being vindictive by removing Space Command, but all he's
doing is playing by the rules the Democrats created, and
for once we have a Republican with a spine. Hopefully
actions like this piss Colorado oft enough to realize their
current state leadership is at dumpster fire and it creates change. Yeah.
(24:56):
I won't hold your breath on that one, but I
don't believe the nation is less safe because of the
move Headquarters. The infrastructure for space defense is already in place.
HQ is just a building. It sucks for Colorado Springs
in the state economy, but hurt national defense. No, I
don't know if I agree you. A lot of the
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operations happen here in Colorado. They happen here. And when
you have to have a destructive move, something that disrupts
what they've been working on for years, now, that's a problem.
That's an expense. How many people would rather live in Huntsville, Alabama?
(25:43):
How many good people are they going to lose because
they don't want to move to Huntsville, Alabama. Where would
you rather live nestled in the foot of the Rockies
in Colorado Springs or Huntsville, Alabama. No, you know that
there's going to be a talent deficit because of this.
(26:06):
That's a problem. There's going to be a recruiting problem.
There's Yeah, and I get it. It's not just a building.
There's a reason why we applauded when Trump put the
Bureau of Land Management in Grand Junction because it was
closer to where the operations are. Most of the Bureau's
(26:29):
land is out west. Why run it from some place in.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
Washington, d C.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Why not run it in the heart of where it
is in Grand Junction? In the same way, why would
you Why would you take away Space Command from where
most of its operations are at Nora Ad and other
places around Colorado. Yeah, I disagree. I think it's I
(26:58):
think it's not good. And it's partly partly from what
I've heard from many retired generals and people in the field,
that Colorado was preferred from those who want who work
in national defense of that Alabama ain't great. Give more
(27:22):
of these texts, John, As long as Colorado voters keep
electing lefty Libs will continue to suffer fair point in
so many ways.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
But it's still wrong for.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
The president to be vindictive against Colorado.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
Because the people here didn't vote for him.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
He needs to be president for all Americans, including the
ones that did not vote for him, including those stupid
enough to vote for the leaders that we have in
this state or in a state like California. That's the
sign of a great president. H John, I agree with
(28:07):
Trump moving Space Force as long as we have space cadets.
The Democrats running the asylum Colorado. I don't blame him.
I hear they may move the Force academy too.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
I blame the Democrats. Oh. I like this one from Rochelle.
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
We just mentioned Kathleen Chandler and her wonderful project of
a Citizen's Involvement Project Independence Institute.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
Well, actually, could John help me?
Speaker 2 (28:41):
Could Kathleen Chandler help me understand a ballot initiative that
the school district is putting on the November ballot. Some
of the language makes it sound like it's not only
a permanent tax increase, but gives them permission to go
back and collect on previous mill levy overrides. I wouldn't
be surprised if that's the case. All right, three h
three seven to one, three eight two five five seven
(29:03):
to one three.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
Talk who takes the fall for this.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
The political reality is that the people who have been
antagonizing the president, the governor, the ag are two senators
will continue to antagonize the president, and they will double down.
Do you think that the president calling out mail in
(29:31):
balloting in Colorado is is going to change anything? No,
partly because Coloradden's really like their mail in ballots. I
hate to tell you this one, but this is likely
here to stay. Coloradden's like the convenience of getting their
(29:55):
ballots mailed to them and dropping them off or mailing
them back. That's the reason. That's the reason why it's
not going to change. I think voters enjoy the mail
(30:16):
in ballot.
Speaker 6 (30:18):
Yeah, I think most of them know it's not that
secure and that's not that great, but it's great enough,
and I disagree with them.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Here's the reasons I despise the mail in ballot. One
is that, of course it's open for fraud. People can
steal your ballot, People harvest those ballots at mail rooms
and condominiums and rental halls or rental buildings. They just
pull them out of the trash, and so there is
funny business. They are not as secure as we'd like
(30:55):
them to be. But for me, the big problem is
it creates an election month, not an election day, so
we have nearly a month where the election is held.
This helps the left tremendously because every day during that period,
the Secretary of State puts out a database that shows
(31:15):
who's voted and who hasn't.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
And the lefts.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
Analytics are so good they know if you vote, you're
gonna vote this way. If your neighbor votes, he's gonna
vote the other way. So when they see that your
neighbor hasn't voted, they hunt him down. They might call him,
they'll might send him emails, they might knock on his door.
They might have a friend knock on his door saying, hey,
come on, get you that ballot in. And so it becomes
(31:45):
a ballot harvesting operation and the Democrats run circles around us.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
There's nothing illegal about it, but that's why they.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
Want a mail in election month, not a walk in
election day. Also, the dynamics of an election swing. In
those three weeks, we learn more things, we learn more
things about candidates. Sometimes candidates drop out, sometimes candidates die.
(32:18):
Let's take a quick breather, give me a call, three
or three seven to one, three eight, two five five.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
Keep it here.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
You're on six thirty K. How we are glad you
are still alive. Indeed, Andy, I'm John Caldera. Seven minutes
to the top three h three seven one three eight
two five five Any final any final words on.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
This move to Alabama? That do you really want this? H?
Speaker 2 (32:53):
How about this comment on on the text line, John,
I would rather one thousand percent rather live in Alabama
than this hell hole of Colorado.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
Go there before you trash Huntsville by the way.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
I I've been to I've been to Bama. I cannot
handle Bama. I cannot handle the humidity and heat of Bama. No,
not for me, No, no, no, no, no, h John.
I think a good improvement for mail in ballots would
(33:36):
be to send a request for verification who you are,
where you live, and do you want a ballot for
each year? Yes?
Speaker 3 (33:47):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
The problem is once you're in the system, they keep
sending you ballots.
Speaker 3 (33:53):
You move out of state, they send you balance.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
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