030624 400 The Best Damn Sports Segment Period

Dalton Schultz told Pat McAfee how distracting being a Dallas Cowboy can be! One of Jerry Jones’s lawsuits got delayed! Kevin Gray tries to get to the bottom of what Jerry means by “all in!”

Episode Transcript

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At four thirty five, mister Dallasis going to take a look at the
preponderance of something that we've touched ona little bit before. But it is
growing, and it's going to continueto grow, and before long we'll reach
a point where we think nothing ofit. But right now, mister Dallas

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is having a hard time adjusting.We'll getting that at four thirty. Fun
drive at five oh five, andI can scarcely think of anybody more fun
than Emily Jones. She will joinus for that right now, though,
what we have is this, Thisis the best damn, oh my god.

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pm. Wonderful, happy, hour. Uh grooves, could you turn me
on please? Oh? Hell yeahI can. This was brought to my
attention two minutes ago in the breakand at least the parts I heard,
there's no cuss words. But youknow, you know, Dalton Schultz jumped
on the Pat McAfee show. DaltonSchultz, by the way, Houston Texans

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tight end, former Dallas Cowboy andespecially paid Dalton Schultz three years, thirty
six million dollars. Dalton Schultz anddisclaimer, sweet man, I know him,
wonderful man. He's on there.And of course you get asked about
the Dallas Cowboys and your new teamand it's different, and boy, is
it different being a Houston Texan thana Dallas Cowboy and enjoy everybody I know

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it's That was one of the firstthings that kind of stuck out to me,
is like it feels like much more. I don't want to say college
because it's not, but like thefocus is just football, you know what
I mean? And going back andlike telling some people like how kind of
being around the Cowboys like practice facilityand you know, game day, describing

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some of the interactions and stuff thatyou see on a day to day basis
like surprise a lot of people thatare like holy crap, like that actually
happens like in a practice facility,and like, you know, it's just
you think it's normal and then youcome to a place like what like what
like what you don't have to outanything, but like what are you no,
dude, it's just like you there'speople literally going on tours while you're
lifting in the weight room and they'vegot like a one way they've got a

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one way mirror for people to likelook at like it's literally it's a zoo,
dude. People tapping on the glasslike trying to get people attention as
they're doing you know, power cleansor whatnot. And it's just it's different.
And I mean that's the brand thatthey've built. That's you know,
that's what Jerry Jones likes. That'sthe way they run things. And there's
nothing wrong with that. It's justyou know, you don't realize like how

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many you know, eyeballs and howhow much that can maybe you know,
distract from you know, stuff justin the locker room, being in the
facility until you go somewhere else andyou're like, holy crap, like dude,
there's none of that, like thisis, you know, also a
really well run organization in Houston,And I think that was one of the
things that kind of scared me about, like leaving Dallas the most is like

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I wasn't sure what another organization wouldkind of feel like. And dude,
I got here and it was like, this place is a well oiled machine.
Like it's you know, coaching staff, the coaching changes. I can't
speak to the previous stuff, butlike the strength staff is phenomenal. The
training staff is unbelievable. This hasbeen the most like trainers that I've ever

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seen on a staff. Okay,well, that actually lines up with something
that we got. Like the trainingstaff part we did the NFLPA report cards
was that last week, and thetraining staff in Dallas was the one that
got bad grades. Was like,they don't have enough trainers. I don't
feel like they have enough people totake care of us in the training room,
et cetera, et cetera, etcetera, and the rest of it.
I mean that sounds about right,doesn't it. Anytime that they say

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we have no culture problem, etcetera, et cetera, et cetera,
everybody who leaves is like right,it was a zoo and now I get
to play football. Yeah, that'sthe way that we understand it from everything
we hear. What's funny is thewildest part about this statement is that we've
come to the point in the yearof our lower twenty twenty four where the

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Houston Texas are a well run organization. That's one thing where it's like,
Okay, Dalton, it might havebeen that you guys, well, you
guys were definitely good this year,right, but you definitely couldn't have said
that the year before or the yearbefore, et cetera. Correct his experience
with Houston is we were good.What's it I mean, Demiico Rimes' is
the hell of a foot coach?It would appear because that team was picked

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to win three or four games andthey had a hell of a year.
So I mean, I guess thatdoesn't surprise me. That's just a realization
of Yes, that's real life withthe Cowboys. Anytime that they say we
don't have a culture problem, orour culture is great, or football is
first. Sure, it's true thatfor your football players you want them to

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do football first. But every timesomebody leaves, they're like, oh wow,
it's way easier to just do footballwhen you don't have this going on.
Yeah, but tours make money andpeople get to see your really cool
building and then they go, wow, Jerry, that was a cool building.
Thank you for it adds money insizzle. If it adds money in

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sizzle, the Cowboys are on board. That's the way it go. Uh.
We do have some Jerry Jones news, by the way, in the
best damn sports segment period. Ohuh oh boy. And it actually leads
to a question that I have.But the sexual assault lawsuit against Jerry Jones
has been delayed. The trial wassupposed to start this month and it has

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been delayed. It was filed bya South Carolina woman who alleges that Jerry
Jones kissed her on the mouth andforcibly grabbed her without her consent in the
Tom Landry room of AT and TStadium after a Cowboys game in twenty eighteen.
Boy, it takes a long timeto get to court. The Jerry
trial was set for March eighteenth.However, during a hearing this morning,

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and Dallas County District Court judge pushedback the proceedings. A new date has
yet to be determined. So Jerryhas good lawyers. And I wonder because
when he was on the bus atthe combine, he was asked about the
other lawsuit, Well, it hasthree at the moment, but the other
one involving his maybe daughter, andhe was like, and I can't and

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I won't and I can't but Imight and I could talk about, but
I won't, and I'm to uhget good news soon about that better relative
too. And then shortly after hesaid all those words, the other lawsuit
got pushed back. And I wonderif he gets the people who are suing

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him confused, my man tossing themthings like a juggling that trying to figure
out what's one he talking about atthat point, Yeah, because he he
thought he would get good legal newson his maybe daughter, which is just
a weird sentence in itself, likeyou could go no comment, but it
sounds pretty insensitive to be like,well, I think we're going to get

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some relative to good legal news onthat one soon. If it means that
something's getting pushed back or delayed,it's like, dude, they're talking about
somebody who might be your child,what are you doing? Uh? But
no, his other one is gettingpushed back. His lawyer's like, well,
he threw a lot of stuff atus recently, and we just gotta
we got to get through it all. And we're not. We haven't figured
it out yet. We hadn't figuredout out what's here. Jerry got too

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much going on, man, Healways says too much, too much.
Carrie's called this categorically false. Bythe way, just want to be clear,
innocent until proven guilty. Let mesay something. You want to say
something strongly. You know what wordsyou use. Categorically Okay, that might
conflict with the fact that he alsosaid he will testify that he does not

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recall meeting her. So if youdon't remember meeting her, but it's documented
through pictures that you met her,it's hard to say something's categorically false because
we've already established that you met someoneand you don't remember meeting them, So
how can you know for sure whatyou did or didn't do. Hold on,
there's pictures of this, There's picturesof him with her like arm around,

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take a picture with Jerry Jones kindof thing. Yeah, So like
we know that they met. Hejust but he's going to testify that he
does not recall meeting her and thathe certainly didn't a honk a boob in
front of Tank Lawrence early. Yeah, well he was allegedly in the room
when it happened, and Zeke anda bunch of other people. You think

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they would make them testify if itcame So that's mentioned in here where let
me get to that part real quickthat. He further said. The list
of possible witnesses the plaintiff's attorneys proposedinclude the who's who of the team,
including Dak Prescott and Ezekiel Elliott togarner attention. So, in other words,

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the plaintiff's attorneys are saying, yeah, we want to call to the
stand people who were there, thatguy, that guy, that guy a
yo, I'll try to make themtestify, but I'll bet they never do.
Oh yeah, Now I've got ascheduling conflict that day. I have
a a what was it called,and nam not moral, I have an

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objection a h concimious subjector I havea consci inchious objection to appearing where Jerry
might stop giving me money all thetime. So, yeah, he's got
that one going on that's getting pushedback, and he is still facing two
other lawsuits, both in the AlexandraDavis saga, one where he has to

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take a DNA test and the otherone where she's suing him for defamation.
So hey, goodness, ray Man, we got to get that DNA test
televised. I want to tailgate theDNA test so bad. We just need
the date and the place, andI will roll out there with banners,

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drinks. I'll make not hot dogs, banners and not sausage. Yeah,
of course you would. We'll goout there and tear it up. It'll
be great. Probably be a damnfirst take special steven A. Smith making
the announcement whether or not he's thedaddy or not. Oh my god,
that would be the only time Iwould watch that guy. If it was

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like, it's like a college gameday on the steps of the courthound and
the birday games. They're bringing onguests. Jerry Jones, you are not,
don't. It's gonna be r Youknow that. You know I've said
to throughout the possible and are not. They have on each of Jerry's kids

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at different times and pastor on picturesof Alexandra, and then you're like,
what do you think guys? Youthink that's your you think that's your sister.
Have to get Spalding involved in thatin some way. Oh boy,
shout out to America's team, onlyAmerica's team, which when you think about

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the phrase America's team, yeah,I mean this happens in American families all
the time. Yeah, yeah,yeah, they're representative of America pretty well.
Yeah yeah, they do a prettygood job of it an actual football
thing. Thanks. I actually wantto toss the ball over to you,

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Kevin, because we were kicking aroundsome Cowboys stuff before the show and this
is the best damn sports segment periodand on on your YouTube channel, you
talked to Michael Gelkin, the beatwriter with the Dallas Morning News, and
I'm just going to go out thereand say this. I have many friends
that are beat writers for the Cowboysand they're all wonderful. Michael Gelkin has

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been crushing, like the Combine stuff. He was a content churning machine,
and you talked to him and cameout of there with an interesting takeaway on
Jerry's all in comments. Yeah,you can go check out my full conversation
with him on YouTube at Kevin GraySports. You can subscribe to there and

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check out the We had about aforty minute chat today. It was great.
That's a long that's a long video. Well, you know, when
you talk about the Cowboys, youknow, make sure you get your monetization
turned on, all of it turnedon. Yeah, we're good there.
It's import But one of the biggesttakeaways that I have in the conversation with
him, and something that has beena buzz phrase, if you will,
this offseason, gentleman, has beenthe idea that the cop is going to

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go quote unquote all in and theorigins of being all in and what does
that actually mean in Jerry Corse settingthe NFL world in Cowboys Nation ablaze with
that particular phrase. During the SeniorBowl, Steven Jones kind of walking some
of that back, saying, well, you know around here, it's all
in your every year when it comesto this team. But at the end

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of the die, at the endof the dying, at the end of
the dying obviously, obviously that isif you ever hear Stephen talk county obviously,
and add the end of the daysand you will get ten at minimum.
But the biggest takeaway I had fromour conversation is that maybe gentlemen,
we have been looking ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls as well, that

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we maybe looking at this whole allin thing all wrong. Because so because
think about what the Cowboys have doneover the last several years during whether it
be this now three year run oreven prior to that, and some of
the contracts that they've signed. Youthink about most recently Michael Gallup's contract,

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obviously, Dak getting his contract extension, any number of individuals who have had
their money kicked down the road,if you will, happens with Zach Martin
and Tank Lawrence pretty much every year. It's an annual thing, a tradition,
unlike any other. Zach Martin gettinghis contract restructure, Tyron Smith,
DeMarcus Lawrence, take your pick.We are now to the point, even

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with the salary cap having had explodedgoing into the twenty twenty four year,
it doesn't really mean all that muchin the context of this team, because
Cowboys aren't necessarily worried about twenty twentyfour salary cap. They're worried about twenty
twenty five because all the kicking ofthe can that they've done is now,

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as Gelkin put it eloquently, kickingthem back because you've got decisions to make
on whether or not you extend DakPrescott. Now there's levers that you can
pull that can immediately open up capspace if you want to make some moves
this year. But again, whatare you doing. You're kicking the can
down the road again. And that'sa big a the Dak can. That's

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a big ass can. It's abig ass can. Yeah, that without
an extension is going to be aCoca Cola classic that you accidentally dropped and
then opened. It's going to explode. Yeah, a year from now it
is. They're gonna fifty million dollarsto a guy who's not here exactly.
They so we're at the point nowwhere they really can't kick any more cans

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down the road. Hence you seesome of the squeeze with some of the
guys that you would think you maywant back on this team. Hello,
Tyron Smith, if you're in theTyler Biattish camp, probably not coming back
here either. Tony Pollard may notbe back. That's funny. We played
the Dalton Schultz audio, but youknow he's not here, hasn't been here.

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But the point being, they're adecisions that have to be made about
this team, and it's not necessarilyabout this year. It's about next year
and the cap and the all inthat fans want them to do. Allah
the Rams a couple of years ago, for example, where they decided,
you know what, push all thechips in the middle, Let's go for
it. Go get Matthew Stafford,go get Odell Beckham junior at the trade

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deadline. Let's do all the stuffto go win a Super Bowl and then
if we win it, great.If we don't, well we tried,
and now we've gotta blow the thingup. Yeah, the Cowboys may be
on the verge of if this thingdoesn't get done this year, we may
be looking at not just Big Mikeand Mike Zimmer all these folks being gone,

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but a potential overhaul in what thisteam could look like. And however
that overhaul will look in the versionof the Jellones family because they simply check
this out, won't be able tonecessarily afford it. Oh yeah, I
remember last year when they were doingall the things that they did to get
ready to play football. I waslike, this is the most all in

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I've ever seen the Cowboys Because theCowboys don't like to play the games with
money as much as some teams likethe Saints are the depending on if you
really enjoy it the best or worst. Like the Saints destroy their salary cap
every three or four years. Likethey're just like, keep moving everything,
keep moving everything, keep moving everything. And then Derek Carr leaves and like,
oh, we own ninety million dollarsand he's not here and he wasn't

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very good anyway, but they justgo at it. Yes, And like
last year because I remember last year, Michael Gallup was the biggest one to
me where I was like, everyyear you restructure contracts, you kick cans
down the road, And when theydid it with Gallup, I went,
oh my god, because that's aguy that we knew we were going to
get to right now and be likeyou probably liked to not be paying Michael

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gall Up a bunch of money.Yeah, and they're going to have to
probably cut him and take and takehits for him this year and next year.
Yep, in a move that weall saw coming. But they did
that because last year they did dothings a little bit differently. They traded
picks for proven veterans Brandon Cooks andStefan Gilmore, and they cleared as much

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money as they could to add thedudes as they could. Like last year
was all in, and so Iguess we just had to. First of
all, we start with when Jerrymakes words they don't matter. I do
think he set all in on purposebecause it was just feeding the cowboy fire
for people to talk about them likewatch out now here they come. But
maybe the more accurate interpretation is theyare viewing this as like the Last Dance,

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where it's like, you can,I could use the words all in
because what I'm saying is I'm allin that if this one don't work,
this is it? This is that? Hello Iceberg. Yeah. So it
just provided a fresh perspective on thatwhole conversation because maybe we have been looking
at the words all in all wrongbased off of what the Cowboys have done,

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what they are potentially hamstrung in doingthis year, because you're not gonna
see the tone that's been set.It feels like it is that they're not
obviously going to do much in theway of big splash signings. They're not
going to do well do that anyway, but the point is really not going
to do that now, because theywon't necessarily have the room to make that
happen, especially knowing that that's rightSeeding Lamb is probably going to become the
highest paid wide receiver in the historyof the game. Oh, that's right.

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You're probably gonna have the highest paiddefensive player in the history of the
game. And Michael Parson said,oh, by the way, you still
may sign your quarterback to the richestdeal in the history of the NFL.
Yeah, they owe some people somemoneies. They're due up to pay some
people some big moneies. So Ido have a suspicion that this year,

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if they do it the way thatthey're saying they're gonna do it, and
they don't extend the quarterback and theydon't sign fairly big name dudes in free
agency at certain spots. If theydon't, you will go into this year
and your team on paper will absolutelybe worse than it was a year ago.
Absolutely agreed. And you will havea first play schedule, and I

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think the odds are you'll go nineto eight, give or take. And
then pray to God that your quarterback'snot mad at you for not extending him
this offseason, because next year.If he waits to talk to you until
March, you just eat fifty milliondollars and then try to sign him well,
risking the idea that he could walkfor correct, yes, for free.

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Correct this way actions fall to him. Count pick a year later,
Hell yeah, get out of here. So they're in an interesting spot.
But you know what, I thinka lot I think a lot of the
fan the Cowboys fan base is okaywith it. Where it's like I fall
in the camp of if you wintwelve every year, that's good, and
if you fall short in the playoffs, we're going to be disappointing to be

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like that sucks. What can wedo differently? How can we build this
thing better? Yes, yes,yes, those are all very rational thoughts.
But I think a lot of peoplejust want to blow it up and
they don't want the quarterback anymore,and they're just like, no, I
just I want to try something different. And I caution you that that's something
different is probably going to be suckfor a few years, and the next
time you find a quarterback that goodmight be a decade maybe two. Do

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you who knows? I couldn't imagineyou're just gonna get lucky for a third
time in a row and find aquarterback without trying to an undrafted free agent
and a fourth round pick turned outto be it's real life franchise players.
And so yeah, I think thatthis could be. This could be a

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year of they're not going to beas good as they were a year ago.
They might make the playoffs. AndI guess if you can just do
that, Hell, you might dobetter than you did this year if you're
not as good, because all youcan do is play better that one week.
And guess what that probably still means. Though you're looking for an entirely
new coaching staff, new coaching staff, if you don't have an extension for

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the quarterback, that'll get interesting.And what are you gonna do just say,
oh, yeah, a random firstround pick is going to be good
enough to be the quarterback. Iwould encourage you to go look at all
the first round quarterbacks of the lastten years and let me know how many
are good. And I wish youthe best of luck. So, if
you're looking at a new coaching staff, where do you start? And I'm

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talking about names here. Yeah,the hard part about that is that you
are talking about the Cowboys because Ithink for most teams the answer is you
are in the search and the battlefor whoever the hottest coordinators that you think
are the best, young, bright, offensive minds for the most part,
some defensive and honestly, I don'tthink Jerry plays in that world. I

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think in Jerry's case, it's Belichickor Bust. It's Belichick or Pete Carroll,
or he'll go to somebody that hecan tell his fan base, you
know his name, He's won aSuper Bowl, and man, it's gotta
be Belichick. If Bill still wantsto do it, and I've heard I

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can't imagine him not wanting to doit unless Peyton manna give him a bunch
of money to do that television thing. Maybe have you heard that story Belichick.
Yeah, Pela man is trying tocourt Bill Belichick to do the whole
Omaha production thing. Oh Maha.I would not be surprised if he ended
up doing that, and that maybehe ends up actually being fun when he's
not at a press conference. Billmight be good. Maybe might sucks easy

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money too. You know, whenyou watch that documentary on the Dynasty,
there are times and this is somethingthat people who know him will slip to
the leering press up there every nowand then. It's not the first time
I've heard it, but you seeit that they they say that if you

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know him, and if you cangain just a modicum of trust from him,
he's really a hell of a guy. You know that he's funny,
he's smart, he's easy to talkto. But you know, in the
in his present form, we seenone of that, and we never will.
It'll be cool if we do,Yeah, it would. It would

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be a lot of fun if wedo. AnyWho, that is your best
damn sports segment period coming up next, it is four point thirty, which
means we check in, we keepyou up to date, get you up
to date, and keep it moving. Mister Dallas joins us next