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October 22, 2025 136 mins
On this electric Tuesday night edition of The Sports Cave with Biggest Puma, host Sam Freas and the Crew return with a jam-packed show that’s equal parts sports breakdown and cultural chaos. Kicking things off with a Limp Bizkit-fueled nostalgia trip (RIP Sam Rivers), Sam and Cap dive into the unexpected nu-metal revival among Gen Z.

But don’t worry, it’s not all backwards hats and hot dog-flavored water—there’s real-time NBA action on the screen, and the countdown to Spurs Opening Night is officially coming to a close. From the Cowboys’ victory lap to the Stars’ sudden cold streak, Sam and Cap break down the highs and lows of the sports weekend. Plus, they tackle the MLB playoffs with reactions to George Springer’s postseason dominance and the Dodgers’ villain arc.

Don’t miss this wild ride through sports, nostalgia, and nonsense. If you enjoyed what you heard, hit that subscribe button, drop a super chat, and share this episode with your crew!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Lie Be line line line. Oh, the beam is lit.
The beam is lit in more ways than one, especially
now that we have official NBA basketball on the screen

(00:21):
in the room with us. Welcome back into the Sports
Cave with Biggest Puma Real Time Basketball. Tuesday Today, Tuesday, Tuesday. Dude,
my days are so scrambled already. I gotta get used
to these longer, these double shifts. Yeah, I gotta get
I gotta just learn to keep My notes are all
over the place because I hosted Andy Friday and Monday.

(00:42):
I can't remember what we talked about here, what we
talk to get two different books? Man, Well, look I'm
onto the last three pages of this one, so I
think I think we're about to potentially do a split.
So I can.

Speaker 2 (00:54):
I feel like they're gonna go to your house and
it's gonna be like seven where you have like all
the notebooks completely written.

Speaker 1 (01:00):
Now you're not You're not far off. And the eighth
one is my manifesto. Yeah, oh, broadcasting once again live
here on the north side of San Antonio. It is
so good to be back the you should have you
should have turned the hat back around. You know, some
days you don't feel like waking up. Yeah, Okay, there
it is. We train, yeah something Sometimes everything's just a

(01:22):
little left up. It all sucks. Yeah, and you don't
know why olymp Biscuits basis Sam Rivers. Sam Rivers read
at forty eight. Yeah, when you when you turn that
hat around backwards, that's all I can see. I wouldn't
be able to focus on the show. I would just
want to it's too much of a glare. I would
just want to quote random olymp Biscuit lyrics who which

(01:45):
you and LG both knew quite a lot of them
unashamedly Like I was like, how do you remember all
those songs? Because they were on They were at the
top of the TRL every single day. Back in that day,
MTV was playing them three times an hour. I might
have partaked and the Devil's led us a little too much.

(02:06):
That's the crazy thing about it is they're doing halftime show.
They're doing the halftime show after the Chihuahua. We just
saw balancing on the basketball in Oklahoma City. Now. The
crazy thing is my like cousins uh seniors in high
school this year. Apparently new metal had a massive revival

(02:28):
amongst that generation, like gothing real big into corn lim
biscuit man last they're bringing back like who used to man?
His style is damn, that's lit, that's fired. I won't
be worried until I heard Colin Kelherd say someone was

(02:48):
cooked today, and it just about shot my wheels off.

Speaker 2 (02:52):
I watched what was it Saturday Night Live skit where
it was three D four dude little it was forecasting
the carpenter. Yeah, like little kids and they're like, oh,
this is uncle over here, look at unc Yeah yeah, yeah,
totally that's cooked.

Speaker 1 (03:07):
And those dudes are doing like millions numbers. Yeah. But
alas we keep our head down and plow through, because
while we're not getting Spurs basketball tonight, we are officially
less than twenty four hours well right at twenty four
hours because it's a late tip eight thirty to plow

(03:29):
tomorrow night, one day till Spurs opening night.

Speaker 2 (03:34):
Till Shalin himself comes out. Yeah, as Hebama.

Speaker 1 (03:39):
As he trained with Rosla Ghul all summer. That also
means we're gonna need a new countdown come Thursday night's episode.
I'm gonna have to say countdown. What just throwing it
out there, all idea is a good idea. What does
UTNA and nplay they do. That's uh, that'll be like

(04:03):
Thanksgiving weekend. That's usually I would say bedlam, but used
to do it on the Friday night, but I think
they do it Saturday now for TV purposes and okay
stays cooked. Yes, yea, as Colin Cowherd would say, I
think I do have some Oklahoma state footage for you
in the Lightning round tonight, because the student section continues
to impress with their levels of creativity. Yeah, do people

(04:26):
are copying this?

Speaker 2 (04:27):
I saw other teams doing the shirt off helicopter.

Speaker 1 (04:30):
It's a good bit Pablo style. That's y we go
see PD Pablo pistol P. That's a PP. That's a
great crossing p right now one needs to I don't
think I'm up here PP. I think we might have
just lost FCC plant the uh come on now, I
guarantee you PD Pablo and Biscuit we're next to each

(04:52):
other on the Hot one hundred billboard charts at one
time from that same era. Uh. No, I I had
written down obvious first one that comes to mind because
I like to do them. You know, if we're sitting
here Thanksgiving like Texas, uh, Texas a and m would
end up that's basically a month away. I wrote down

(05:14):
super Bowl, super Bowl, what about playoffs? Playoffs? Playoffs started,
the NFL playoffs. I also wrote down World Cup, but
that's not till all the way next summer, and I
think we I feel like we need to get one.
Potentially was that wasn't that threatened too much money? They

(05:38):
got too much money tied to the US. They've tried
to They've tried to appease every chance they get. Uh
So Thanksgiving might be a little too close, but the
super Bowl might be too far away. I can't think
of anything. The inaugural NBA playing chances. Yeah, I'm writing

(05:59):
that that seriously, that might be. It's what is it?
It's the Emirates Cup now I believe it's who we
sold that to the Emirates section on this show. We
are up to your up to the task. Yeah, we'll
overlook the bone saws if you want to spot Okay, yeah,

(06:21):
uh and I lost f CC Yeah exactly. The U
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Speaker 1 (07:07):
Yeah, and we will. We've tried to make a better
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Right before the lightning round, we usually round up the
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(07:28):
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We appreciate those as well, But if you can't put
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(07:49):
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Speaker 2 (08:02):
Hey man, I just need I kind of think I
might if I can clean out my Facebook so I
don't get docsed or anything like that, I might turn
it to public.

Speaker 1 (08:14):
That's a dangerous That is dangerous. That is twelve years
of not giving enough. I have my Facebook so locked
down from uh.

Speaker 2 (08:24):
From but on Instagram you could always that's public. And
I do shortcuts of all the funniest stuff on the
show Captain's Chair, the Captains Chair.

Speaker 1 (08:33):
To on On. There's been some good ones lately too. Uh,
if you did miss, as I said there at the beginning,
if you did miss last couple of days over on ticket,
I am was back filling in for Andy last Friday
and yesterday. So if you miss those, go listen to
those podcasts as well after you listen to this, because

(08:55):
that will help make me look good. And uh, also,
I'm gonna be with Andy every Tuesday and Thursday as well,
So I'll do the show with him four to seven,
then come here and we'll do the show eight to ten,
so you get five hours. So they permanently put you
on that spot. Yes, sir, Yeah, buddy, I told him like,

(09:15):
we've got look at all this content we have that
I need to promote with your airwaves, So what can
we do about that? So yeah, I am back with
Andy Tuesdays and Thursdays. Couldn't be more excited about that.
Just being back involved with ticket is pretty exciting to
begin with, but also get to be back with Andy

(09:36):
is always fun. Make sure he doesn't talk too much
golf unsolicited, of course, especially when the season's over, right, exactly,
Oh dude, he's got hot. He's got hot DP Tour
opinions right, the corn Ferry Tour? Is he up? Right? Now?
That was a pretty good final, or at least that's
what he told me. No, it's a Tuesday night episode,

(09:56):
so of course we got a lot to recap from
the weekend. Got col notes, a Cowboys victory Tuesday edition,
We've got we're gonna start we started it last week,
gonna continue it this week because I remembered we're doing
Spurs notes as well, now very generic titles, but working titles,

(10:17):
So Spurs. If you have any better ideas, shoot them
my way, throw it in a super chat, and then
of course main segee. We got NFL Week seven to
recap as well as our picks. Both of us had really, really,
really good weeks, both of us barely well spontaneous Spurs recap.
I'm still thinking on it. We were okay, keep rolling.

(10:37):
Yeah again, no idea is a bad idea. Both of
us had good weeks and both of us barely missed
out on perfect weeks, So we'll get to that in
the main segee as well, and then of course Lightning
round to close it out. But as is customary on
Tuesday nights, start with a little weekend recap. We're gonna
have to start mixing in some sports here because there's

(11:00):
just too much to get to.

Speaker 2 (11:03):
There's just I wish I did not send LG the
pictures my weekend recap is it's my favorite time of
the year. I don't partake into the tradition of dressing up.
I feel my look is authentic enough.

Speaker 1 (11:16):
What are we dressing up for Halloween? Oh? Duh? Okay,
don't I don't do the scary holidays. I don't do
scary movie. If you're scared. I heard this verbatim as
a kid. Oh you want to be scared, go read
the Book of Revelation. You want to be scared. If
you want to be scared about something, read the Bible. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (11:35):
Oh no, so so we gotta we gotta collect some
money to put him through. Uh the what's the nightmare
on Grayson not doing it? And we'll get some picture
not doing Let's do it.

Speaker 1 (11:47):
A thousand subbies, a thousand subbies in the next ten days.
You got a lot of work to do. That's the
only way it's happening. It's I don't I absolutely do
not mess with the haunted house scene.

Speaker 2 (12:00):
But hoever, the other one, the other My favorite part
of it is going around to all the local establishments
and seeing the theme nights. These uh bartender friends of
mine come up with.

Speaker 1 (12:12):
Oh I see the angle now, yes, I see the angle. Nurses, ye, nurses,
maybe some they're very creative. Maybe maybe some flight attendants.
A lot of electrical tape. Yes, I'm learning. Electrical tape
is like the thing right now, that's the goat, that's
the I had.

Speaker 2 (12:29):
Someone wearing the Kim Kardashian puba car panties.

Speaker 1 (12:34):
Oh god, those are ridiculous. When it's like are you full?
Are you full? Bushing me right now? When the roommate
sent that to me, I thought it was Ai slop.
I thought it was you know something. They're they're out
of stop, they're on back order. That doesn't surprise me.
And I guarantee you they there's been more male purchases
probably than I just don't understand. I mean, I don't

(12:58):
need to try to understand, but yeah, that that makes
absolutely zero suns. Roll your own. I a thousand subbies
by Halloween, and I'll go to a haunted house and
you'll dress in electrical tape based costume and we'll see
cut electrical tapes on it. You'll look like you'll look

(13:21):
like old Marv Albert when he got busted with the
prostitute in the hotel room, Pepperoni full gimp gear. Uh No,
weekend recap, we had those visuals of sports case. Yeah, exactly,
that's Ah, that's a perfect lead into uh at the
actual content of the show. Oh, I almost forgot national

(13:43):
day to day Most of these are pretty throwaway obviously.
That's why we do him as a bit. This one
was actually kind of cool when I realized what it
was today. So nineteen eighty nine, Back to the Future
two was released, I saw, Yeah, the date they traveled

(14:05):
to is October twenty first, it's nice, nice little Marty,
but it's twenty fifteen, so back in like as a
kid watching that movie. They traveled to the time that
we're in, but ten years ago on this day, and
they gave us a non hovering hoverboard. Yeah, and shoes

(14:25):
that don't automatically close. Yeah, Like I thought that was
gonna be I thought that was gonna be a thing.
We did get three D signage. I feel like Travis
Scott did like a custom pair of those that sold
for eight hundred bucks or something that actually that laced
themselves up like that go for like three thousand. Yeah,
that might have been probably three thousand. That might have

(14:46):
been an under cell on what those did, but no,
I made sure we had to get that one. It's
also National Apple Day. There's your throwaway the national day,
like not Apple the company. H Literally, I.

Speaker 2 (15:00):
Don't think they need a day. I think every day
is their day because who's lying on it.

Speaker 1 (15:04):
Who's complaining like, who is out there? What major lobbying?
What the actual Orange day? Yeah, exactly, trading places. Wait,
concentrated orange juice is going through the roof again. Some
of these I just wonder how they actually came to be.
No weekend recap. I had the had to do the

(15:24):
delicate dance again. This is the final stuff has traveled
like six of the last eight weeks, as we've documented
on this show. This is her final big trip of
the busy part of the season, traveling up to corporate
headquarters up in the Midwest in Chicago. She didn't buy
out today, so she flew out Sunday. No, they had

(15:45):
the outage today. I would say everything was shut down.
She flew out Sunday morning, gets back Wednesday. How do
we have that as a drop. But he's a wizard
back there. Spectacular though. It's so good to have a
true professional running the run the ship here. Uh Sunday morning.
Usually there's no issue with the early morning flight on

(16:07):
Sundays because, as we've documented in great length, most of
these euro Sunday morning games are absolute Cam Newton ass matchups.
I mean that's where you're getting your basically like Panthers Jets,
from last week should have been an England game less
than the Jets, not not good. But this weekend was

(16:32):
a little different. I had to I was dropping her
off right at like eight fifteen, and normally it was
a horrible game, but I didn't know it was going
to be. It was a great matchup. It was a
game we had pitched. It was Rams Jags, both two
lost teams going up against each Other's supposed to be
you know, home right with Shahid Khan their owner also

(16:57):
owning a fulham over there. Yeah, I was. It was
the first Euro game I was actually going to tune
into to. I was going to be awake dropping her
off at the airport. We get to the airport and
it's like, for the first time in a long time,
it was literally like here's your bag, it's gotta go.

(17:18):
She's just like what the hell, Like, what is your stop?
I'll slow down, Just tuck and roll, tuck and roll.
Because I was actually for the first and then yeah,
as you said, we'll get into it turned out to
uh not be worth the trouble I went through to
try to rush home to catch the kickoff.

Speaker 2 (17:36):
They were having trouble on that field like that turf
was just maybe the grass.

Speaker 1 (17:40):
Was too long. Yeah, it's it's made for the pitch. Yeah,
it kind of feels like they're pitch. It's like the
reason the a bunch of the NFL stadiums are rolling
in new grass for the World Cup games and not
using like it feels like someone way smarter, someone way
more educated in grass could probably tell you why that

(18:00):
is horticultural. Yes, we should get my pops on here
to break down the different types of grass and what
they're used for. He's a horticulture aficionado. But I say,
we're gonna have to squeeze some sports in here because
there's just no room for any other place to wiggle
it in.

Speaker 2 (18:20):
We gotta we got a request for We got stars
are on the milk cart, and says one Royce.

Speaker 1 (18:26):
Yeah, how are the stars doing? Well? Okay, that's at start.
I thought we were going undefeated. We'll add that into the
weekend recap. So since I did my little jokes about
going eighty two and oh and then he screw that. Ever,
since might as well go ninety eight, no, and just
sweep the playoffs. Yeah, they haven't won a game since. Yeah,
they have not cap They absolutely have have not no,

(18:50):
and it hasn't been pretty. I'm talking like five to two,
five to three. Yeah, oh no, we we do, we do,
and I believe we're actually losing, uh two to nothing
right now at the end of the first it's not good.
Is that one guy still out they got wrecked Jamie
Benn the captain who had it collapsed along or Matt

(19:12):
Dushane who got the hit. Yeah, yeah, they're both out
and they're both still out unless Dushane was. I don't
think du Shane was activated uh for tonight's game, but
it again, it looks like they probably could have used
him because the Stars have a have a sniper on him,
man like something. Look, it's early season hockey. It's like

(19:36):
real time hockey. You start hockey and then you go,
oh and three. Let's let the chips fall where they may.
I don't think there's a lot to take away. They
were they were probably lucky to get the three and
oh start to begin with. So I'm trying not to
be ultimate doomsday scenario. But yeah, for six games, man, exactly,

(19:59):
well seven game six, you're about to go under five hundred. Yeah,
well no, this would be this is game six, This
would be also, you could keep that faith. Yeah. Well,
all they need to do now is get a tie
in Game seven and they'd have the same record as
the Cowgirls. Hey. Hey, as a limp biscuit, you gotta
have faith, o God from the award winning album something

(20:26):
Hot Dog Water, Chocolate Starfish and No, that was you know, No,
that was that was Faith, Star Chocolate Starfish and hot
Dog Water. Yeah, I'm pretty sure that was faith. We
might have to have a olymp biscuit. Was because I
thought that was their second album. The first album had
the graffiti art on it because everybody had the CD

(20:48):
flip book. God, dang, you're right, Yeah, I believe chat
Can you get it before Puma? No, I believe you
might be right. Unfortunately, which and you're giving me hell
for my limp knowledge and you're sitting here correcting me.
I used to work as Sam Sam Goodie ever, Oh

(21:09):
that's your excuse? Yeah, that was when Chocolate Fish, all
of that, all of that. Also, it's hilarious. That's a
George Michael cover to begin with. No, we got the
ultimate Man's man. That's correct. Nothing that that man you
can sing full alpha right there. That man not think

(21:30):
there's anything wrong with him, that's correct. No beata cook there.
How many times has Aaron Judge had ten strikeouts in
a game? Never? Never, like never, wait a minute, who
got ten strikeouts? What are you talking about, mister OTAWNI
Friday Night? Ten strikeouts as pictures, three home runs to

(21:52):
put the Brewers away and endo that series. I know
you set me up. I had to shoot your wheels
off because I knew you weren't gonna you weren't going
to want to talk about the greatness that is Otoma.
A team that's down three, that just mailed it in already,
A team that hit one eighteen in that entire series,

(22:13):
the lowest batting average in any baseball series ever in
a sport that goes back to the Civil War.

Speaker 2 (22:20):
I love the meme where it was like, I love
how the team picked up seven just all stars starters
and all of them were injured and then came back
after the All Star breaks, so they threw less than
one hundred innings and fresh.

Speaker 1 (22:32):
Not a bad strategy if you can just figure out
a way to turn it on when you need to.
Normally that doesn't work. You know who's on the Yankees
radar and give me a minute. I'm playing said we
have no time for that Google. Oh yeah, school Scooble
scoobles on everybody again. And this is what the gonna

(22:52):
be The Dodgers, the Red Sox, or the Yankee or
the Giants, yeah, or the Mets, Mets too. But I
mean that's it though, And that's where like all of
this hostility towards the Dodgers for being the new evil
Empire and just buying every person. But also if the
Tigers don't pay Schooble what the market dictates, that's on

(23:15):
the Tigers owner, not on whoever. Sure wouldn't surprise me.
One bit four also wouldn't surprise me if Kyle Tucker
ends up on Tucker and scooball on the Dodgers.

Speaker 2 (23:27):
Next wish list of Yankees free agents, there's there's one
coming over from Japan. Yes, I'm gonna butcher that name
I got really pronounced, and he's probably automatically say it.

Speaker 1 (23:41):
Gonna want to go to well and let some other
let some other announcer risk his career first, ye again,
just say it fast like like Gronk, like Gronk with
just say it fast. The uh, I just blame the
owners of all like even the Red Sox, like they
didn't want to give the money to Mookie Betts, so

(24:03):
they trade him. You're the Red Sox, like, don't complain
about the Dodgers getting Mookie When one of the richest owners,
one of the richest teams, one of the biggest heritage
brands in baseball, doesn't give an MVP the contract extension
that the market dictates it doesn't. Well, it's just easy

(24:23):
to make the Dodgers the bad guy when it's.

Speaker 2 (24:25):
The Dodgers four to oh, they look like they're gonna
be World champs again. But let's go ahead and talk
about the real series.

Speaker 1 (24:35):
Seattle Toronto in that damn Springer so god, that guy's clutch. Dude,
you mentioned, you mentioned the Dodgers. I agree. I mean
it feels like Dodgers in five. Yeah. Probably, But I
read this stat earlier. Four times in baseball history the

(24:57):
league championship series. One of them has been a sweep,
and the other one has been a seven game series.
That's happened four times. This will be the fifth time.
Now that's a deep, deep dive right there. The other
four times the team that played the seven game series
won the World Series. They're fresh, they got the momentum. See,

(25:19):
I don't ammunition. There is some level of I just
want to see. I want to see at least six games.
I pray for seven, but just not a gentleman. I
love seeing eighth inning homers to go ahead. You know. Yeah,

(25:43):
Andy was talking. You know, we talked about it a
lot on the show today out at ticket and Andy
was saying, you know, even was texting me last night
as we were, as he was watching it live, why
did you not put Springer on there? I have no
idea first base is open. Yeah, you need two outs
and Vlad's not behind him, No, Blad's third. It was

(26:06):
the Lukes or Lucas, however you say his name that
they're two hole hitter. Yeah. When he when he was
texting me that last night, it was like, yeah, because
you have one out and you're like, yo, like you
might want to go for the double play. You've got
a two run lead too. Even if you give up
a fly ball, you only giving up one run. What's

(26:28):
the difference between giving up a three run homer versus
a Grand Slam? If Gladdie does get up it's what
was it?

Speaker 2 (26:34):
It was the Was it the top, No, it was
the bottom of the bottom of the seventh, So only
only need two more innings.

Speaker 1 (26:40):
Right, you know, so three to one at the time,
so make it three to two at the worst, right?
Or Or is that one of the most clutch hitters
and in playoff history? Go at bat So I saw
his stats. If you just took Springer's playoff stats and
extrapolated them out as one hundred and sixty two game
regular season, ridiculous, it's forty eight forty nine home runs. Yeah,

(27:03):
it's just it's just and he's like bad and more
like three eighty or on base percentage just crazy. Yeah,
I mean just an absolute absolutely, He's.

Speaker 2 (27:12):
Like the old Carlos Beltran whenever. You know, that's a
good camp.

Speaker 1 (27:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (27:16):
Well see when I used to like the Astros. Yeah,
but yeah, was.

Speaker 1 (27:21):
A difference maker in multiple pain chases.

Speaker 2 (27:24):
Over five hundred hitter, always clutch. He just showed up. Man,
he was like Jeter Es.

Speaker 1 (27:32):
Yeah. It's so funny because Springer. It feels like somehow
when you think about all the players that the Astros
have let walk, you know, obviously Korea is probably the
first one you think of, But what does he then
he I mean, he hasn't done anything. Yeah, when he walked,
it was such a big deal. It was like, oh,
they're not paying Korea because.

Speaker 2 (27:53):
He was the loudest one during the whole you know, bang. Yeah,
he was the loudest one.

Speaker 1 (28:00):
For sure. They didn't have a buzzer. He was honestly
about the only one that was willing to get in
front of a camera and defend them, defend themselves. Yeah,
they're at times it might not have looked at might
not have been the best optics, but it feels like
Springer like if you're going down the list, you know, Korea, Brugman,

(28:22):
Tucker Springer is kind of the forgotten Manyah, Garrett Cole
to y'all, that's right, that's but even though they got
it back from them, Yeah, and then lost him.

Speaker 2 (28:33):
To me, I'm like, how's the medical and give him
all that money just to trade them back to him
the same season.

Speaker 1 (28:38):
Yeah, baseball is a funny. It's a funny finance at
some point. Yeah, it just feels like Springer and Springer
had had some you know, injury plague seasons in Toronto
before since he's left Houston and hadn't and Honestly, Toronto
hadn't been able to give him the platform to have
a moment like that because they hadn't been Brian Cashman.

Speaker 2 (29:01):
He's been trying to do the Astros thing where we
go home grown, and we've done that for the most part.
But Springer and Vlad Junior are Yankee killers. Like we're
going to have to spend money to get the bats
that we know are going to show up. We can't
rely on John Carlow, Michael his name is Michael.

Speaker 1 (29:23):
We can't do well. Even how old is Stanton now?

Speaker 2 (29:25):
I mean he's what thirty five thirty six, but we
only have we had three more years on him, I think,
but that in that division, Toronto, we're definitely if we
see him in the playoffs, they scare me. We should
have I can't remember, like it was like twelve to
fifteen games we should have won through the season that

(29:46):
we just absolutely gave up everything in the bullpen.

Speaker 1 (29:48):
Well, and we had the stat with y'alls like record
with playoffs included, it was like eleven and five against
him or something like that. Eleven and six this year. Yeah,
I mean it was very one sided. LGD have that
clip the uh it's real quick. Last night, as the
Mariners were doing their you know, postgame interviews in the

(30:10):
locker room, it clearly, uh clearly was an emotional scene,
an emotional locker room with the way they Toronto, Uh
Seattle Settle. Yeah, it was the Seattle Beat reporters in
with the Mariners trying to get them quotes. And this
is At first it was hypothesized that it was cal Rawley,

(30:34):
Uh that you'll hear in the background here, but I
think it's been confirmed it was j Rod. It was
Julio after striking out to end the game. This is
what the Mariners locker room sounded like last night, having
gone Has tur been any other team in franchise history? Uh?

(30:54):
Legacy is so right there. Pause it real quick. So
the question it doesn't get the full question. The guy
asked him, Uh, you know, what's the what's the mood
amongst the guy like a bad question, like you know what?
What do you want him to say? Like waters, yeah,
do you want It's almost one of those where it's
like you want Marshaw Lyns, I'm just here not to

(31:15):
get fined, or what you really want is someone like
Tony Romo that says Hey, if this is the worst
thing that ever happens to me, my life is pretty great.
I'm gonna be sitting on a beach this time next week,
like you want to. It's it's kind of a got
you question where you're hoping to get something. I thought
that was a horrible response. That's that's not terrible. Yeah,
that's a terrible respect. But that's what the media member

(31:35):
wants is because then he can write his story about
how Tony Romo doesn't actually care about winning, which is
probably true if you say.

Speaker 2 (31:43):
That every time he lost, he's like, I hate I
hate losing. Like I'm we're going to run it back.
I hate losing. Yeah, Like, what do you want me
to say?

Speaker 1 (31:52):
Wrap that up one more time? Because it sounds like
LG what's the name of the famous scream that is
used in every I read about It's like the it's
like the Willie will him will Yeah, there you go,
that's exactly it sounds. The video sounds fake, like it
sounds like someone's playing the drum franchise history.

Speaker 2 (32:16):
Yeah, the Willheim screen, which is now like famously known
for the Star Wars scream.

Speaker 1 (32:22):
Right, Like that was the first thing I thought of
whenever I heard that last night, and I thought Brian
Wu's answer was perfect, like that, like, what do you
think that? Like, that's how we feel, that's.

Speaker 2 (32:34):
Our Like, did you see the l A celebration educate
me the reporter getting daast with all those champagne?

Speaker 1 (32:41):
Oh yes, yes, yes, didn't figure. Didn't figure we needed
a video of that one that's spectacular? Is that? Is
that will him? That? Okay closer than I even little
higher pitch. Definitely sounds like more of a actual like

(33:05):
not an angry yeah, scared scream, not a angry scream.
Well that okay, that was Wilheim again, right, yeah, okay,
that's why I'm trying to because it's not far off
from each other. Yeah, yeah, that sounds like, yeah, that's

(33:27):
what that sounded like. That is my old face. I
don't know how I transitioned from that Game one of
the World Series Friday Night, so purpure. Yeah, okay, we
need a montage of all of these together now, just

(33:49):
just to have on rotator anytime someone needs to scream.
We could also probably find a Fred Durst scream in
there to add to their rotation to elsewhere. Weekend Recap.
I ended up breaking my rule, and I'll talk about
it more in cow notes, But I broke my Cowboys

(34:11):
viewing rule and watched the first half in public at
a establishment that serves beverages of different varieties. So, buddy,
it was a good first half for you. Oh it
was great. But when they got that safety on the
second possession, Buddy, I was ready to tell everyone at
the table, close tabs, I'm going home. We're done. We're

(34:33):
done here. Now let's do some spurs notes before we
jump into the main football portion of the episode tonight.
As we were in last Thursday, we were talking about
the potential of a Jeremy Sohan extension. The deadline was yesterday.
Did see some guys across the league. Dyson Daniels probably

(34:54):
the biggest name runner up last year Defensive Player of
the Year. He'll probably be third again this year now
that if Wenby can stay healthy first full season, he
gets extended for four years, one hundred million. And I
think when we were in here Thursday, we were talking
about like that eighteen middle number for sohnd uh didn't

(35:18):
get didn't get done one way or another. So Jeremy
will become a restricted free agent after this season ends.
But it got me to thinking about, you know what exactly.

Speaker 2 (35:30):
I think he's the injuries, Like it's just he's just
you know, if he can sit there and throw us
a full season or at least, you know, seventy five games,
you know that he can play, I can consider giving
you some maybe twenty mil.

Speaker 1 (35:45):
You know. I think that's where you know, it's also
when you see kind of like we were talking about
again on Thursday, as we were kind of previewing the
season and what we expect or what we want to
see the all the parts they have. Now you can
see clearly obviously Wimby's the foundational piece that everything's built around.

(36:09):
Stephan Castle is all red. We've already seen how that
compliments and works together. That's a no brainer. Dylan Harper,
you spent the number two pick on what we've seen
in preseason. Looks like that's going to fit. No issues
sign him. Obviously. The Dierren Fox trade and extension tells me,
you know, like, those are your four pieces that aren't

(36:31):
going anywhere. It's that next level of guy, which I
think Jeremy is right at the top of that list.
You know, that's your Viscelles. You're so hand, you're Keldon Johnson,
even Harrison Barnes from a veterans perspective, But right, and
it's not last year you got to think about. I
think when you're talking about Harrison, you're talking about two

(36:54):
to three years. When you're talking about so hand, you're
talking about you know, five to seven if you're gonna
vest and keep him around. So I don't think there's
any harm in seeing exactly how this season plays out.
And like you said, if he can stay healthy and
there is precedent, it's not doom and gloom. If because
the fear when you when you don't extend a guy

(37:17):
and allow them to potentially go to restricted free agency,
that's where the fear of some other team poaching him
from you if they offer him a deal.

Speaker 2 (37:26):
That is way too random towards like like anything exactly
the contract before I even had the chance, you know,
do you really want me?

Speaker 1 (37:35):
And it doesn't sound like there's yeah, now another alpha
mel uh. It doesn't sound like there's any reported animosity
or anything like that, but that's definitely where it could
seep in the recent precedent. You know, well he's Polish,
but I thought he was French European connection. Maybe it's

(37:59):
half British half Polish, but maybe the year the EU
influence will rub off. Santi Aldama last year for the
Grizzlies is a very similar player to so Hand. He's
a big man who has some guard skills or at
least can play on the perimeter as a piece moving

(38:20):
the offense along also a guy that you know so
Hand is. It's hard to value a guy based on
defense in this league. It's hard to get that number
agreed to between both parties. And if so Hand shows
to be the type of impact defender that fits well
with that group of four, that core four, there is

(38:43):
precedent that a deal could still get done despite him
going to restricted free agency last year. Can Win still
do a deal during the season or no? Now, that
was the deadline yesterday five o'clock, So the next time
they could do a deal is when free agents when
the season ends. So you can only do extensions right

(39:03):
in the season exactly, and different guys depending on your veteran,
your years of crewed and stuff like that. That determines
because like Kevin Durant got extended before the deadline yesterday
by the Rockets. As we're sitting there, same agent as
what was it, same agent as Kawhi or no, or
is that? I think that's a different one.

Speaker 2 (39:26):
But they're kind of being like, he's getting the same
Qui dealership.

Speaker 1 (39:30):
He is now spa by Mattress Mac. Yeah, you're gonna
see you're gonna see him hawking turkey legs over there
in Houston. Uh. No. Aldama for the Grizzlies. Last year,
the when the Grizzlies didn't reach an extension with him
before the deadline, it was all assumed that some team

(39:51):
was gonna money whip him and restricted free agency, and
then at the end of the year the Grizzlies end
up coming to terms with him for a three year
deal at like fifty three million something like that. But
it's right in that number of where we were saying
so hand probably should be. The Aldomed deal was seventeen
and a half mil annually. If the Spurs end up

(40:13):
and also they went shorter, they went a three year
deal instead of the four year, because again, I think
that just provides you a little more flexibility, and that's
the keyword for the Spurs right now, trying to build
this roster that's going to be a contender when Steph
Castle and Dylan Harper, we're gonna have fully in there.

(40:35):
We're gonna have that twenty prime.

Speaker 2 (40:37):
We're gonna have that good problem that we had with
Tony Parker was Tony Parker gonna stay. But we were
keeping Dunkin no matter what, we're keeping Genobli, no matter what,
we're keeping Bowing, no matter what. You know, there was
like a core the starting five, but like he was
always the out. But then once we have those three,
how many people ran through the team. You got stack Jack, Oh,

(40:58):
it's a turnstile. Yeah, for sure? What the other European
Bell and Nellie.

Speaker 1 (41:03):
It's what you're about to see Oklahoma City. Do now
that because Oklahoma City, Oklahoma City is also the Golden
State for sure. Yeah did it before? Yeah, the generation
before Oklahoma City is basically where they're five years ahead
of the Spurs in terms of three and a half,
four years ahead of the Spur in terms of how
they've had to do their business because their hand has

(41:25):
been forced. They had to give obviously Sga the no
Brainer Max extension. That's your Wimby no brainer your They
gave Jaylen Williams JDub the Max extension. That's looking like
that'll end up being your Steph Castle extension, and then
they give check the extension and eventually in three four

(41:46):
years from now, that'll be your Dylan Harper. Those will
be your three guys that are on max max level
and the Aaron at that point. It'll be interesting to
see what the decisions are made three years down Harbor
the natural point guard right for yeah, yes, and we'll
again like we'll see how these pieces fit together. You know,
you don't really know what it looks like until you've

(42:09):
seen eighty two a full season of how like he
played that in college for sure, and I think I
think he's still I think he can, but I think
he's going to be asked to play more off of
de Aaron Fox this year, so it will see he's
going to be that genobili role where it's like they're
going to do a pick and roll and kick it
out to them and he's going to create either penetrate,

(42:31):
create that easy basket or sucking the defense. You're not
the only one making that comp I think it was
Jeff McDonald that put that out there. It's like, don't
crucify me, don't like I know it's a little crazy. Yeah,
but watching Dylan Harper in the preseason, I see flashes
of number twenty. Yeah, and exactly the way the slash

(42:52):
he's got, his build is genobili esque, you know what
I'm saying. Absolutely little long arms got the good eurostat going.
But yeah, i' I didn't think they were going to
reach a contract extension with so hand, So it didn't
shock me. But I also sure, yeah, if he was

(43:12):
going to take something super cheap, but I also didn't think.
I don't think it necessarily means the writing is on
the wall that this is his last year in San Antonio.
These I see if we go, we go deep into
the playoffs. So that's my question. So he's gonna want
to come back the fight exactly, and that also helps
his value if he shows that he's contributing, you know,

(43:34):
doing the dirty work the defensive side of winning basketball,
especially when we get a ring in two to three years. Well,
look out there. I don't think two or three years
is crazy. I think this year is crazy. I think
two is a little crazier than in three years. That's
the point with Oklahoma City. In three years, they won't

(43:57):
have the money for Caruso. They won't have the money
for lou Dort, they won't have the money for Hartenstein.
They'll have the money for basically one full mid level guy,
and then all of those draft picks they have will
be their depth. They're gonna have to turn it over
because they've got three guys on max contracts now, and that.

Speaker 2 (44:14):
Is you gotta think some of these guys, look, I
was born in Oklahoma.

Speaker 1 (44:20):
I've been to Oklahoma City, full disclosure. I've been to
Oklahma City plenty of times.

Speaker 2 (44:25):
Ain't much to do there, man, these guys are gonna
want to go to some different cities that have a
little bit better night live, a little bit better you know,
scenery where they don't smoke in bars.

Speaker 1 (44:35):
They looked like such dorks getting their rings earlier. And
you can't say anything because they are the champs, like
it is what it is. But yeah, I mean they.

Speaker 2 (44:44):
Well, they had a Chihwaha basketball Oklahoma the Ring celebrating game.
You think they'd have like they pull out the big
guns during the halftime.

Speaker 1 (44:53):
Have Toby Keith Hologram perform like anything. Garth Brooks is
you know that Formula one this weekend? I'm sure he's available.
It's a hot skipper jump man. Yeah, you joking about
the championship windows starting to open up. A five and
zero preseason will certainly get you pretty hyped. That'll make

(45:14):
you feel good about yours. And we don't even have
the Aaron Fox Nope, Nope, Opening night now officially less
than twenty four hours away. I ask you, what is
a successful season this year? Over forty five wins over Okay,
and the Vegas has them at forty four and a half.

(45:36):
So that's is we prove everybody we're better than what
they think we are, even if it's just half a
game according to Vegas, still better than what you expect.

Speaker 2 (45:46):
What I would like to go above and beyond would
be getting in that top was the top six, so
you don't have to avoid the play in avoid the
play in.

Speaker 1 (45:57):
So it's funny you say that. So Don Harry good
dude Don. When steph first moved here, her first job
was at w A I t V when they were
still downtown and uh I, Don was one of the
first dudes that kind of introduced us to the sports.
How how sports are done here in San Antonio? He

(46:19):
asked Wimby himself l G. I think I'm pretty sure
I sent this one to you. It's another short one.
He asked Wimby exactly what Wimby's definition of a successful
season is. Success would be, you know, getting into the
playoffs and not playing So I guess that means sixtyed

(46:39):
that means sixth seed success would be everything I knew. Man,
So I think on the show, yes, keepers organizations being
like no, I don't know about, I don't know about,
like yeah, keep spamming Wemby's d M. No. I think
that the fact that that is a very level headed,

(47:02):
a very reasonable, attainable goal definition of success because I
completely agree with you and Wimby at words I never
thought i'd say in my entire life. The sixth seed
feels like the minimum of what success is. If you

(47:23):
can avoid the play in yeah, and get that rest,
get the rest. Also not have to like know that
you are guaranteed a playoff series. Well, you'd be if
you were the sixth seed. You'd be on the road
in round one? Would you be because you'd be playing
the three seed? Okay, yes, you'd have to be the
four seed, right four? Top four would be home first round.

(47:46):
I if you can avoid. If the Spurs can avoid
the play in this year, that's a successful season. Yeah,
And I know there's a I was talking you know, Andy.
Andy has them as the five seed, which I don't
think is unrealistic looking out the rest of the West.
But I also think if you think that's just going
to be the baseline of what this thing, I think

(48:09):
there's just as good a chance they're the five seed
as they are the nine seed. Yeah, because the West
is still loaded. It's in a transitional period where teams
are aging out superstars, but it's still a slog one
through nine, one through ten.

Speaker 2 (48:23):
I thought I took a screenshot, so they ESPN had
the rankings out.

Speaker 1 (48:29):
They had Oklahoma number one.

Speaker 2 (48:32):
Of course, hard to argue. Yeah, number two was Houston
number three. Golden State. Oh No, ESPN's big on Golden State.

Speaker 1 (48:43):
So that runs.

Speaker 2 (48:45):
Then it runs nothing but East Coast teams before we
get back there.

Speaker 1 (48:49):
Cavaliers Nicks. Oh you mean for league wide?

Speaker 2 (48:55):
Yeah, for the whole league, the Cavaliers Nicks. Give me
another one.

Speaker 1 (49:01):
I oh man, now you've shot my wheels off. Orlando's
a hot.

Speaker 2 (49:05):
Lando Orlando at like I think Orlando's number five. They
have Cavaliers at number four or number three, so that
could be there. And then when they go us back
to the West, is there any other ones that I'm
forgetting over in the East.

Speaker 1 (49:19):
Not unless they are Boston, Boston, unless they're banking on
Mbeid actually being healthy. I didn't see the sections all.
So now we go back to the West.

Speaker 2 (49:29):
They had the Lakers above us, they had Minnesota above us,
They had us at.

Speaker 1 (49:33):
Ten in the whole league, in the whole league, and they.

Speaker 2 (49:37):
Had the Clippers above us, and they had well one
more team above us. But like they're they're still undershooting us.
They're still like putting us at ten, they're still putting
us in the playing game.

Speaker 1 (49:53):
Well, well that's ten in the whole league though. Yeah,
but there was only three or four East Coast teams
that we're ahead of you, uh yeah, just looking at
the I think three looking at the NBA Championship odds,
just in general, Thunder number one by a wide, wide margin.

(50:13):
And then these are the teams in the West that
are ahead of them. Thunder one, Nuggets two, oh Nuggets, Yeah, Nuggets. Yeah,
still with Jokic, Clippers, three Rockets, four Lakers, five t Wolves,
six Warriors seven, MAVs eight, Spurs nine according to FanDuel Sportsbook,

(50:35):
which I don't MAVs. Yeah, that's the one that jumps out.
I think. I think they have a sneaky I'm not
like Steven A. Smith where I think they're gonna win
the championship if Kyrie's leg doesn't fall off. But they
have no ball handlers. What is Kyrie thirty eight? Uh,
a little earlier, thirty thirty three, thirty four, No, way
he's been. He's gotta be on the other side of

(50:57):
thirty five. No, No, he's not that old. Now he
turns he's thirty three now. Yeah, he doesn't turn thirty
four till March. He was a you know, the one
and done at Duke and he's been in the league forever.
But he's been in the league since he was nineteen
fourteen seasons. Also the wear and tear there, I don't know.

(51:17):
So they're still having us at eight or nine. Yeah,
although the it's interesting though, because the MAVs over under
wind total is lower than the Spurs, but their championship
odds are higher, which is I think banking in the
fact that Kyrie is gonna miss the whole miss two
thirds of the regular season. You know what, I keep

(51:37):
on forgetting. I don't know why.

Speaker 2 (51:39):
When we're thinking about Lakers, I'm just thinking about Lebron.

Speaker 1 (51:43):
Of the fact that Luca is there too, I'm forgetting
that little cheeseburger eating man. Apparently it's been I think
it's been all Slovenians. I think it's been all salads
this summer.

Speaker 2 (51:56):
Which is he looks good. Oh man, he's gonna be
a problem.

Speaker 1 (51:59):
He is, He's always gonna be a problem. But that
Lakers roster is a bunch of misfit pieces. I mean
outside of Luca what's his name? Oh my god, I
just blinked on the dude that played at ou a
Wichita State kid. Everyone wanted the Spurs to sign him.

(52:21):
How in the hell am I blinking on? Not the
start of the k No, No, that would be the
shooting guard that we will come up with the name
organically instead of having to look up freakin' Austin Reeves.
But with Lebron out, it's pretty much Luca Austin Reeves.

(52:43):
The whatever they're getting from DeAndre Ayton, which is their
only lob threat him and Jackson Hayes for Luca I
think we've seen Luca Carrey teams, bad teams, you know,
Spencer Dinwiddie, Reggie Bullock team. I still don't see them

(53:04):
being the Lakers. I don't think they're a top fourteen.
Oh no, I don't absolutely that. I think that's where
you start to get to who can the Spurs pass.
I think the Spurs can pass the Lakers. I think
the Spurs can pass the Clippers depending on what shakes out.
And I think I do believe the Spurs can pass Minnesota. See,
that's where we start to. That's where I've seen Minnesota

(53:28):
right now. I do, yeah, because I feel way more confident.
The teams I feel confident are going to finish ahead
of the Spurs, Oklahoma City, Denver, Rockets, Rockets, Minnesota and
then the one that's kind of like I kind of
believe in the Golden State revival. See a full season

(53:49):
of Jimmy Butler.

Speaker 2 (53:50):
I put Golden State up there if Steph Curry stays healthy, right,
oh yeah, And I'd switched Minnesota and Golden State.

Speaker 1 (53:57):
Yeah, And then I think.

Speaker 2 (53:58):
The Spurs, I mean, there's there was no stopping Wimby
last year before we got the Aaron Fox and then
we got the Aaron Fox with no practice, no offseason,
no nothing, skinny Wimby just taking outside shots.

Speaker 1 (54:14):
And now we're.

Speaker 2 (54:15):
Looking at Wimby two point zero Gianna's style.

Speaker 1 (54:18):
No, we're going to see a monster. Yeah, like we
are going to see a monster.

Speaker 2 (54:22):
We saw what Jihannas did in the East in like
one year jump.

Speaker 1 (54:27):
You know what I'm saying, Oh man, this is this
is becoming a game.

Speaker 2 (54:30):
Yeah, so in one year jump, he took him from
not a playoff team to number three.

Speaker 1 (54:35):
To top three seed. Yeah. Yeah, I and that's just
one guy. Some of the media coming out of Dallas
this week, they were asking Cooper Flag about facing Wimby
for the first time, and even Cooper was saying, is like, no,
I've had like some of the veterans on the team.
I assume it was probably Anthony Davis were literally telling

(54:57):
him like no, no, no, no, this guy. You've you've never
seen anything like this. Like You're He's like, I think
I can match up with him pretty good, and You're like, no,
you've never seen like he's going to do something. First
five minutes that you're playing on the same courtism where
you're like, how how did that happen. So it's so weird.

Speaker 2 (55:15):
So the lineup and shot and he's across the board
and he blocks, and you're like, where did.

Speaker 1 (55:19):
That even here? Like to hear other NBA players talk
about Wemby where it's like, no, this is this is
something completely different. You've never seen anything like this.

Speaker 2 (55:27):
And see that's where I trust NBA players and people
who are like students of the game. And even though
the fandom, which you know I did take a I
found interesting was even when you have a super fan
like an ice cube, who's his team the Lakers. Yeah,
so he asked, what's your all time starting five? So

(55:49):
he put out his all time starting five Magic at
point I predicted You know, I can't argue too much
about that, Kobe Lebron Jaying. He got Kobe over MJ.
So you see his fandom Lebron James. Then he's got
Shack at center, not Kareem. He's got Shack. But at

(56:11):
point he puts him duncan.

Speaker 1 (56:14):
Oh power forward. Yeah, Donky he could have been Kareem
in shock, sure, but he had so much respect for
him because he actually even though he's like you see
his fanboy a little bit in there, he's like that
dude was different, you know, because he saw it. And
that'll be a lot of visiting fans Top five, including

(56:34):
Wimby when he you know, when we're ten years down
the road, because it's undeniable what you're seeing, what you
see when you actually watch him go up against yea.
And by the way, the vote pre pre voting is
it vote yes? Oh yeah, early voting did start. Yeah. Shoot,
we need we need that project Marvel, we need we

(56:54):
need to keep these players here happy. You know. It's
so it's it's so interesting to see, Like I think
there's I think there's good arguments on both sides, and
there's good people with good positions making those arguments. They
have good morals that see where they're trying to go with.
But the amount of people that are just trying to

(57:16):
demagogue both ways, that's where it feels like it's gonna
be close. Man. You think I think it's gonna be
a blood. I think it's gonna be Did you see
did you see the UTSA pol came out? Polymarket? What's
the polymarket thing? Oh? I wonder if or Kalishi.

Speaker 2 (57:31):
Because there was one that already came out. Is I
saw on Facebook, is Saws gonna have to Now it's
two hundred million to move their facility. But they're like
that's already been in the works before Project Marvel was
even discussed because it's outdated, you know, So they're trying
to like.

Speaker 1 (57:48):
The city and the county have been fighting over that.
That's what. That's why they they laid They did all
of that construction for the final four and then they
had to rip it right up the next week because
they still hadn't agreed on who was going to service
the water lines under.

Speaker 2 (58:02):
Exactly like it needed to get done. So that's gonna
get done no matter what Project Marvel or not. No,
they're trying to lump it into there.

Speaker 1 (58:10):
No of course, no poly market listing yet, but give
it time, give it time. Yeah, I h dude, I'm
just excited that it's real, like every game this season
will matter in the long like in the standings. Like
it's not like the Spurs the dreams of being I

(58:33):
think even last year, the uh you know, the idea
that they were more than a play in team, like
that was the goal last year. Strea live right, And
now we're talking about Wimby himself is saying success is
suc seed. Yeah, that means every single game.

Speaker 2 (58:52):
Now, yeah, we we We're going out there, We're fighting
for every game and not going to mail it in.
Just like this game ninety nine to ninety seven Houston
with two minutes left.

Speaker 1 (59:03):
Oh, that's a foul real quick. They didn't even call
that in one the uh, the little kid in me
is so happy to see the NBA on NBC again.
I mean, this is a strange who's you guy, Well,
I mean this is the first jada of first three
NBA finals. I think a lot of us probably ever
watched were MYBC Michael Jordan's Yeah, I mean that was NBA.

(59:28):
NBA was on CBS seventies and eighties, and then NBC
got it in the early nineties, believe had it until
ABC took it, believe or not.

Speaker 2 (59:37):
My dad was a big Lamber fan, so I was
watching the Pistons.

Speaker 1 (59:43):
No way. Well, yeah, the old blue collared himself. Yeah. Well, uh,
we'll keep an eye on this because we've also got
the late game two Warriors playing in the late windows. Excellent.
We'll keep an eye on the basketball. But I want
to push it along. Let's get it all right, Let's
going to main saggy dude, Well that was hell. You
know what, I forgot to take down the time for

(01:00:04):
Spurs notes. Man, I've been doing so well. I know,
I know nine oh five. Oh, we're right on schedule
nine oh five for cow notes. Uh yeah again, dun dum,
Cowboys corner coming to you live. Oh, Cowboys corner. Cowboys
Corner is not not terrible. I don't mind that. Uh,

(01:00:26):
I don't know Cowboys coffin. I mentioned Cowboys coffin kick,
I mentioned I broke my roll and uh so my
buddy knew that Steph was flying out Sunday morning. So
right at noon when the noon window was opening up,
He's like, I want to go watch the game somewhere like,

(01:00:47):
uh man, I've got some dude, I've got my quad box. Yeah. No,
by the time the cow I had to I ended
up waking up at like eleven thirty Sunday night. So
you and I started the Cowboy game again so that
I could watch it like all the way through with
the sound, which I wish I hadn't because when we

(01:01:07):
do winners and Losers, we got to talk about Tom Brady.
Uh in that debacle, the the biggest takeaway, obviously, is
the fact that the Cowboys defense that we saw Sunday
afternoon was a completely different scheme than what they've done
the first six weeks. It was night and day. We

(01:01:29):
talked about it. If they had one CD lamback no, no, no,
I mean the defensive school, Oh, the defensive Oh. So
the Cowboys had been running ninety seven percent zone on defense.
On Sunday, they ran fifty two percent Oh wow, zone,
They did forty eight percent man coverage, and then in
that game it was almost a fifty to fifty split

(01:01:51):
out of nowhere. They had been telling us all week
in practice that they were going they were practicing more man,
they were gonna sprinkle it in more and I think
a lot of people expect that to be okay, maybe
a seventy thirty split.

Speaker 2 (01:02:02):
Now, well, you're expecting when you play more man, you're
expecting more run, run through the tackles because you want
your linebackers free to hit those holes exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:02:12):
And you're also coinciding with running more man, they were
also running more five man fronts, more blitz packages. So
just listen to some of these numbers. It sound it
literally felt like it was a different guy calling plays
on the defensive side of the ball. Sunday, weeks one
through six, it was Jared jar would you put it like,

(01:02:36):
would you put it past him to literally just tell Eberflus,
if you don't run more man coverage and blitz more,
I'm firing it. He looked on this spectrum up the cheering.
That's we can all hope to get to reach the
ripe old age of Jerry. Weeks one through six, they
blitzed twenty two percent of the time. Sunday they blitzed
forty eight percent of the time. Just a slight adjustment.

(01:03:01):
That's a whole new skin, that's a whole new game plan.
Cover one rate. Weeks one through six they only ran
cover one five percent of the time, like we were
like we were saying it was mainly it was ninety
seven percent zone most of the time.

Speaker 2 (01:03:15):
But are these scheming for like so like I'd have
to do a deep dive to see if Washington's over
the middle type or the sideline passers.

Speaker 1 (01:03:23):
So again, like we were talking like we were talking
about on Thursday. Ironically, Jaden Daniels has struggled more against
zone coverage than he has man coverage in his short
NFL career, obviously, just counting last year and the first
six weeks of this season. I think with changes, also
didn't have them for most of the game. Well, no,

(01:03:45):
he only missed a quarter and a half and by
that time the game was over. He got hurt halfway
through the third. I thought he heard in the second. No, no, no,
that was halfway through the third, because that was when
Mary watched it twice. Yeah, I've actually watched Unfortunately I
watched it three times because I fell asleep that second
time and watched it again Monday morning. The just the

(01:04:09):
fact that it was such a stark difference than what
it had been the first six weeks. But all of
that being said, I don't know what you really take
away from the success of those changes when Washington was
missing their top three wide receivers. Now, granted, Jayden did
get hurt, but the game at that point, the game

(01:04:31):
was throw a wide open you know. The guy fell
down a wide open pick for Bland, which was the
start of the downfall. Yeah, and that was Mariota as
you had the uh you know, injury.

Speaker 2 (01:04:47):
Of the best second the backup quarterback. I think Mac
Jones just took that took that title.

Speaker 1 (01:04:53):
Yeah, I also think if you're labeling yourself the best
of the backups, Yeah, that's not Carson wins he had
he lost it this week. Yeah, losing the battle against
Philly the obviously, you don't apologize for a win in
the NFL, especially against a division team, division rival, and

(01:05:17):
you double up their score. What was it, forty four
to twenty two. It was only the second time in
league history that score has ever happened. Like this Cowboys
offense is showing every week that they could put up
a forty bird. They're gonna score thirty. They might score forty,
and they could have scored sixty Sunday if they had
stayed gas on.

Speaker 2 (01:05:37):
Don't act like they mercy ruled like the Chiefs and
the Raiders, dude, like.

Speaker 1 (01:05:41):
That was thirty one to nothing.

Speaker 2 (01:05:43):
The Cowboys were like they mercy, like they were mury,
like they were just calling you know, they were kneeling
down with three minutes.

Speaker 1 (01:05:51):
I mean, Cowboys absolutely stopped slinging it around. They they
decelerated that whole second half, just pumped the brakes a
little bit. Really, it was the pick six when they
when that was it was like, all right, we're done here.
Let's go Vanilla. Let's not show too much, and they've
got their backup quarterback. Let's feed Javonte the Let's just

(01:06:13):
do winners and losers, because I've got most of the notes.
Ceedee Lamb look good, CD and Pickens. Top blank wide
receiver duo. I want to say top five. See, I
think it's solid top three now, so you can't there
number three, you can't. I think they might be two.

(01:06:34):
Even you can't convince me there's three better wide receiver duos.

Speaker 2 (01:06:38):
Jamar Chase, T Higgins, Jefferson Addison's.

Speaker 1 (01:06:43):
T Higgins better than Pickens. Yeah, I think so. Pickens
is on pace for eighteen hundred receiving.

Speaker 2 (01:06:48):
Yards because he didn't have CD Lamb there and they
had to throw it fifty times a game. Don't let
the don't let the numbers fool you to be like
that guy's better when he's getting the Jamar Chase. Look,
Jamar Chase got thrown twenty five times a game and
caught sixteen balls.

Speaker 1 (01:07:02):
I think it also helps when by Jamar Chase has
a quarterback that targets him like that, Like a lot
of Pickens numbers is because Doc. But then let's let's
let's keep going. A J. Brown, I give you that.
I don't think they're I don't. I think the showed out.
He showed. Why do you want a heisman? I think

(01:07:23):
CD is better than a J. And I think the
gap between Pickens and Davante is closer than the gap
between CS. My top my top five. I give you
the Bengals one. I agree with that one. I was
just Bingals Bengals the Pringles. Uh so that's how I
say it. Yeah, like I always make you think Pringles pop.

(01:07:44):
Once you pop, you can't stop. Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:07:46):
You got Jamar Chase Higgins, A J. Brown, Davante, Uh,
Jefferson Addison.

Speaker 1 (01:07:54):
See I wouldn't. I wouldn't agree with you there because
I think pickenska way better than Davante, I mean, way
better than Addison.

Speaker 2 (01:08:01):
I'll put CD uh and Pickens number four, and then
I go pooka Puka Davante. I mean those are like,
the last three are all switchable in me. But the
top two no doubters are Chasing Higgins and uh, chasing
Higgins and who.

Speaker 1 (01:08:22):
I say, Jefferson and Addison. Yeah, but see okay.

Speaker 2 (01:08:26):
But I can switch Jefferson Addison with AJ and DeVante See.

Speaker 1 (01:08:31):
I would say, I would say the top two are
so hard for you to pick anyone else because of
how great specifically Jamar Chase and Justin Jefferson are. I
think that skews Thelm as better duos when it's really
one guy is just really really really damn good, the
other guy's good. But Cidee Lamb three years ago was

(01:08:53):
the best, you know see, and that's kind of I
think that's why by that same logic, but thrown to
hundred and fifty five times, I kind of think that's
why I slopped them in at number three because I
didn't think Pickens was this good. And I think Ceedee
Lamb is the third wide, third best wide receiver in
the league.

Speaker 2 (01:09:12):
Only only reason why I don't give pickings that I
think he gives up on routes.

Speaker 1 (01:09:17):
He's yeah, he will quit on. He is that classic
diva wide receiver. I will give him credit though in
that game against when you go back, I saw John
owing Owning had he puts out a thread of a
bunch of the all twenty two footage and pickings. Specifically,

(01:09:37):
first of all, the Brevin span Ford, the Cowboys third
tight end. He has the highest rate run block rating
of any tight end all tight ends in the league
this year. Very small sample side because he's only in
during rushing plays basically, so it's a giant tell. It's
not a great stat. But when you were watching the

(01:10:00):
later about run blocking, when you were watching, I'm sure
you do with your boy back when you were watching
some of the All twenty two clips, Pickens was blocking
downfield like he was abusing Marshawn Lattimore on certain plays.
I think he gets up for matchups. That's exactly what
I was about to say, Like I think when trash talker,

(01:10:21):
when Pickens has someone that he can target and for
the physical contact, he's not afraid to do it. I
mean he was knocking. He was George Pickens was opening
up run Lank Evans, but that you don't see that.
Everyone was Latimore and Evans. And then who was the one?

Speaker 2 (01:10:36):
It was the old Houston Texans Courtland, Yeah, Courtland Finnigan and.

Speaker 1 (01:10:46):
Andre Andre Johnson. Yeah, that one. Those were they were
swinging helmets at each other at one point in time. Uh.
Obviously the biggest winner after talking about all the defensive
changes is got to be Eberflus because abandoning his dedication
to his scheme when the personnel just doesn't match. You've

(01:11:09):
seen it through six weeks. Let's see what, you know
what he gets? He gets an ataboy. That's why he's
a winner. But hold on, who's also who's also on
that loser? It's eber because let's see what happens next week?
And what took so long? You had six weeks. Let's
let's see what happens next week exactly. I completely agree

(01:11:29):
with you. There's not We're not anointing him or carrying
him off the field after Sunday.

Speaker 2 (01:11:34):
He's still let thirty two points get off on you.
You know, twenty.

Speaker 1 (01:11:38):
Two that was there. I think it was their best
defensive performance of the points wise other big winner. It
was pretty fun to see Fox put a graphic up
that show Dak Prescott was better at something than Tom Brady?
Did you catch that during the game Sunday? So the
highest win person against your own division since the merger

(01:12:04):
since nineteen seventy Roger Stallbach fifth seven seventy three win percentage,
Andrew Luck fourth seven seventy four, Tom Brady third at
seven eighty four, and then Dak is second at seven
to ninety one all of Oh, I mean, it's if
you think about it, it's pretty obvious. Who's dominated their

(01:12:26):
division for the last ten years. Oh, multiple super Bowl No, Patty,
Oh Patty. Oh we got o t I love it.
A little overtime basketball to start the year. Yeah, Patty Mahomes.
And it's not even close. So Patrick Mahomes has an
eight point fifty four. He wins eighty five percent of
the games he plays against his division, and Dak is

(01:12:46):
in second at seventy ninety. This is this is.

Speaker 2 (01:12:48):
Why I get I I It's what listen.

Speaker 1 (01:12:53):
I put hate on him. I hate him. You know
which one, Patty or Dak?

Speaker 2 (01:12:57):
Patty No, the Chiefs and then the Houston Astros because
they've won so much in cupcake divisions or they play
most of their games and it kills me because it
inflates their stats, inflates their aura. And I'm like, go
do that in the NFC West, Go play the go
play you know, Seattle two times a year. Go play

(01:13:20):
l A two times a year. You know, go play
the Niners two times a year.

Speaker 1 (01:13:25):
What I mean outside of like because that was the
whole narrative with Brady as well, the anfcast. He just
beats them for some reason. He never win against Miami.
He was always that was always the ye, that was
always yeah. But why is it is it time to
talk about the NFC East that way? Like, how do

(01:13:46):
you explain Dax's domin just the division is terrible because
we've seen the Eagles play win two super Bowls out
of that division in the last in Dak's career.

Speaker 2 (01:13:55):
The Cowboys are excellent during the regular season. Something it's
so frustrating. This is not the thing with the Cowboys.
I'm like, this is why I love all the hope
y'all eating right now?

Speaker 1 (01:14:07):
Yeah, he kills me because just wait playoff times we
talk of playoffs. Just wait till you hear how I'm
going to end these col notes elsewhere. Dak also now
the sixth player in NFL history with four consecutive games
of three touchdowns no interceptions, And that sounds like a

(01:14:28):
Jinki stat until you hear the other five quarterbacks that
have ever done that. We're talking Tom Brady, Peyton Manning,
Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees, and Seattle Seahawk Russell Wilson. So like,
it's this pretty good company to have there's not a
lot of Brad Johnson like Fluke names that get included
in that category elsewhere winners.

Speaker 2 (01:14:51):
But it also shows how we didn't see anybody pre
two thousands on that list. How much the game has changed.

Speaker 1 (01:15:00):
Probably the touchdown number is what. Yeah, it's not the interception. Yeah, interceptions,
Like how many consecutive games did like Steve Young or
Troy Aikman have a two.

Speaker 2 (01:15:10):
Touch like I mean, he would run, he'd always he
was a runner, sure, but still Joe Montana, Yeah he
was successful with two touchdowns.

Speaker 1 (01:15:17):
Two touchdown, zero interceptions, and yeah, that was a success
for him. I'd like to see what I mean, because
that list would be incredibly long. I would assume guys
that have gone at least four straight games with two
touchdowns zero interceptions. Probably that's over That's what I'm saying
most But I'd like to see that list pre year
two thousand, like exclude all of these guys that we're

(01:15:39):
talking about that. Yeah, there you go. Yeah, I get
the AI overlords to uh try to put that list together.
You mentioned obviously Bland with the pick six flashes of
twenty twenty three. The name on the defensive side of
the ball though that really stood out as a sixth pick.
Six that continues. That's aboutful a guy that when the

(01:16:03):
Cowboys drafted him in the second round back in April,
there was an immediate rush to crown him. The you know,
the steel of the draft outside of first round guys,
like the fact that the fact that this guy they've
got him in the second round. You know, most every
team had a late first round, mid first round grade
on him. The linebacker, Yeah, the edge Donovan Azeraku out

(01:16:28):
of Boston College. So he's he's a smaller guy who
needs to learn how to work his angles his body
angles at the NFL level like he did at college.
But what we've seen just over the last two and
a half games, it's starting to seemingly click for him,
and some numbers back it up. So his pass pass

(01:16:52):
rush grade, that's a hard one to say. You hear
greg Olsen. Greg Olsen always says, pash pass rush, pass rush,
your pass grade, your pass rush grade. As Iraku is
third amongst all rookie defensive ends. How did you say
push grade? Yeah, they're just rush grade. We know you're
not rushing a run play. His ten defensive stops or

(01:17:16):
tied for first. His overall defensive grade courtesy of PFF
is first, and this is the number that really matters
for edge rushers. Of course, the sacks are great when
you can get there, but you want to look at
what is an actual good A good way to look
at disruption, a good way to look that you're actually

(01:17:38):
having an impact. Pressures. Yeah, as Iraku has fourteen pressures,
tied for second amongst all rookie defensive ends. So and
he's played all he's played all year, he's starting to
get more snaps. So it was you remember last week
in the UH in the game, it his he had
the highest grade of any defensive player in the game

(01:18:02):
last week and for the first time all season, played
the most snaps amongst the defensive end rotation. So clearly,
and that's what killed me.

Speaker 2 (01:18:11):
Like it's not always the sacks, because you can like
the guy can like roll out and you're just happened
to be there and you catch the sack. But who
really affected it is the by pressure pressure on the
other side. That's why like Nick Bosa, he was number
one in the league in pressures by double digits.

Speaker 1 (01:18:27):
You know. Yeah, and that's before he went out, but
he had zero sacks, right, and it's the same. But
it's like, no, but he wrecked the game, just like
Micah Parsons. It's the same argument of the casuals talking about, well,
what's Micah doing in Green Bay? Well, actually, he has
the absolute highest pressure rate of any defensive end in
the league, and he finally got his sacks on the board, three,

(01:18:48):
so to speak, three of them. Actually, did you see
it really was four? But he got called for a
hip drop. Oh yeah, the hip That was a hip drop,
no question it was. It's just funny when they choose
to start calling it. I'm not offending Micah. I'm just
talking about choose a call, like, what's a catch? Not
a catch? Well, more of the hip drop happens on

(01:19:11):
wide receivers every game, but when it happens to a quarterback.

Speaker 2 (01:19:18):
But that's still a catch by Kelsey. That still was
a catch by Kelsey, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:19:23):
Well naturally, yeah, of course. Not Hockinson. No, no, no, no,
that's different. Hockinson doesn't have a well known fiance Losers
real quick. I mentioned Brady. They they talked about you know,
the we talked about it last week's Shoddy versus the
Sun and Brady talking about how it's his favorite picture
of his career, the picture he has playing in Jerry

(01:19:46):
World with the sun shining through. Uh. They showed the
picture on the broadcast and Brady did a thirty seconds
to a minute talking about it. Yeah, that is exactly
why Jerry does that. One thousand percent why Jerry does
it just for the picturesque moments and the fact that
the greatest quarterback of his generation, possibly ever is talking

(01:20:10):
about it now on a game that he's broadcasting that
include that involves the Dallas Cowboys. It's all publicity, it's
all marketing. Elsewhere, losers, what happened to Bill McCroskey, Krusky Merritt.

Speaker 2 (01:20:25):
I don't know, man, Like they're starting to well, A
he funneled the ball last game he's been. He's like,
I think they're looking really hard at his ball security.
I see a lot of one arm.

Speaker 1 (01:20:37):
He had no seventeen yards on his first two carries,
only had sixteen yards on the next eleven, and that
was all they gave him thirteen because.

Speaker 2 (01:20:46):
They stopped playing zone. Like they're like, I think they
made it was a Heberflus or whatever. He was like, dude,
we're getting We're gonna get torched up the middle if
we keep on sending back and zone and throwing our
linebackers out.

Speaker 1 (01:20:59):
And they did coverage they I mean like, uh, Bill
got eight yards on his first two eight yards and
nine yards and then on second and third down they
end up throwing the ball. So it was like Washington,
if they had just did you not see what Carolina did? Hell?
Did you not see what the Jets did with Breis
Hall until he fumbled it?

Speaker 2 (01:21:21):
Speaking of uh, but then I think somebody finally, maybe
the head coach finally was like, stop running zone.

Speaker 1 (01:21:28):
They're running it down our throats. Yeah, you know it?
Well it was. There were the reports that Shody set
in with eber Flus and the defensive coaches during the
week last week. Yeah. Uh. And the way they framed
it was Shody was basically saying, if I was running
the offense that's going up against us this week, this

(01:21:50):
is how I would attack what you're what you're planning,
And so they were. It wasn't like a he was
mandating they do certain things. It was more of a
like he's getting his insight exactly, which but he's the
head whatever the hell he wants to man it, but
we've been so used to the you know, Uh, Mike McCarthy,
I'll do the offense, Dan Quinn, you do the defense.

(01:22:12):
Or Wade Phillips, I'll do the defense. Jason Garrett, you
do the offense. Like it's kind of been a while
since the Cowboys quarterback has said I want to be
involved in all of it, or a Cowboys head coach.
I mean, you see that egregious non call on the
pass interference from the Cowboys? Which one like? Which one? Exactly?

(01:22:33):
I mean exactly it happens. It was egregious. Cowboys got
some calls on that game. How about the agregious that
getting the helmet ripped off that they called roughing the
passer that shouldn't have that shouldn't have been Yeah, yeah,
and they it made it look like he ripped it off.

Speaker 2 (01:22:54):
But I'm like, if he's moving his head down in
like my arms there trying to tackle him, what do
you think go and be like, oh, he's he's starting
to duck.

Speaker 1 (01:23:02):
Exactly what do you think is gonna happen? Only other
loser I had for you? Well, I think a lot
of people are labeling Jayden Daniels as the sophomore slump
this year c J. Stroud, But I would just go
back to the fact that he doesn't have his weapons.
Neither does Stroud. He didn't have any well, and Stroud
doesn't have an offensive line that can keep him up

(01:23:22):
right or running backs that are worth da right. Yeah,
mixing out Stroud no weapons Sunday. But also last year
we said it at the beginning when we were picking
our over unders for each team. Last year, the Washington
was seven and one in one score games. They made it,

(01:23:46):
they made the run to the conference championship and then
got the doors blown off of them. Washington was a
bit of a fraudulent team last year. I don't mean
that in a like a negative way. It was just
I mean way above expectations and like no team ever
goes seven to one in one score games. That's not

(01:24:07):
how the league usually. What do they call They had
all the momentum? Okay, yes, if that's what you want
to play well, then they have very little.

Speaker 2 (01:24:19):
They were playing out of their skill depth because they
believed in themselves.

Speaker 1 (01:24:24):
They have very little of that this year. Only other
loser I have for you, though it might be additioned
by subtraction with Trayvon Diggs, the whole weird he got
the oh yeah, we didn't. It happened Friday morning, so
I only talked about it on Andy. So the concussion
that he suffered at his home that no law enforcement

(01:24:47):
was involved, so there was no incident like that, but
there was also no hospital visit. Yeah, so how much
of a concussion was it? Actually he's not in the
building so far this he drunken slipped out of the
hot tub. Dude. We've seen so many weird you know
what was the old pitcher Derek Hollin tripped on his
dog on the stairs, Sammy Sosa broke his ribs, sneezing.

(01:25:11):
I mean all of these with a grain of salt.
But it kind of feels like if Trayvon Diggs is
on this Cowboys roster after the trade deadline November three.

Speaker 2 (01:25:22):
He's he's he's not that good of a cornerback. He
is a great if he would be a great nickel,
you know, even I was. He can like hopefully jump
a route, but it's not going to kill it over
the top.

Speaker 1 (01:25:36):
Why not free safety? Why not it say a ball
hawking if you want to take if you want to
but not as a he wouldn't be in the box
safety if he was, if he could play you know,
like the uh, the one deep like a Malik hooker
like they had been using until he got injured. But yeah,

(01:25:57):
the dig situation only is getting weird and weirder the
longer it goes without an update. And also they did
open They got Kaylen Carson back Sunday, and they opened
up the practice window for Revel, who was their third
round pick in April. I'm gonna do this for you
real fast, is the last thing I have because I

(01:26:17):
know how much you enjoy Cowboys fans. Looking ahead at
the schedule, Cowboys are three three and one right now.
Travel to Denver next week loss three four in one. Okay,
the next two weeks after that they have Monday Night
at home against the Cardinals loss four four and one.

(01:26:39):
That's a win, and then they have Monday Night Football
the next week in Vegas against the Raiders. That's a win.
Five to four and one. Is the baseline of where
this thing should be going into the matchup the rematch
with the Eagles on November twenty. Third Zone is starting
to click. Arizona's not bad and Okay, you realize I heard.

Speaker 2 (01:27:02):
If they get if they get their homeboy, Actually, I
don't think he's gonna be back.

Speaker 1 (01:27:05):
The Cowboys have beaten the Cowboys have beaten the Cardinals
like three times over the last twenty years. That's it.
Like they're a bit of a cowboy boogeyman. Colt McCoy
beat the car beat the Cowboys one year as playing
quarterback for the Cardinals. So there's a realistic scenario where
six three and one is in play. We just saw
Denver almost get beat by Newton. It took thirty three

(01:27:28):
fourth quarter points to storm back to it, and it
took a missed extra point. Our guy. One thing I'm
confident of is our guy won't miss extra point. I
know it's one. We're gonna differ on a pig next
week six three and one. Going into that, I am
fully back shout out to Lannie for doing a two
dollars super chat. He says he can't wait for Max Crosby.

(01:27:51):
Hold your breath, sir. Yeah. So the reporting on that one,
the reporting on that it was starting to float around.
I think Trey Wingo is the first person. Uh well,
even I didn't see there was a lot of projection
of what the package would have to be. But the
apparently now the Raiders have already talked to Max and said, dude,

(01:28:12):
I don't know, like, we have no plans to try
to trade you. We're not floating you. And Crosby also
hasn't requested a trade yet, but he got paid all
that money. He's in Vegas and if you trade him
probably slain it'd only be like a twenty eight mil
hit this year, twenty nine mil next year. Yeah, and
then you get first rounders. I mean, I'd rather do

(01:28:34):
that than Hendrickson or any of the other name. I
think the Cowboys are going to do something stupid at
the at the trade deadline. They're going to get avansive guy.
I mean, Sam Fran will give him a first.

Speaker 2 (01:28:47):
I still think he's gonna get like Cam Jordan Or's yeah,
or what you call out of Miami.

Speaker 1 (01:28:53):
One of those more second tier rental guys. Yeah. So yeah,
now we come Thursday, they will look ahead to that
Cowboys trip to Denver. But for now, let's go ahead
and talk about the Sunday night game. Maybe things are
great my world Sunday Night game. Maybe eh, we got

(01:29:15):
the Niners going against the hot Atlanta that just overpowered
their opponent last week. Who they be that the week before?
I was a surprise was the Bills. The Bills overpowered football.

Speaker 2 (01:29:31):
They just couldn't stop them. They couldn't look the blitz
package and they didn't stop blitzing. But the one in
mobile Mac Jones and the brilliant ski Master scheme master himself,
Shannan and the one superhuman athlete Christian McCaffrey brought us
to victory.

Speaker 1 (01:29:50):
It was good to see CMC have a one of
his old school type of performances. We're not gonna do
a one minute there, Greg, We're gonna go a little
deeper because what we got back was one Georgie Kittle.
And I know everyone started him on their fantasy team,
but you know what George Kittle does more than just

(01:30:14):
fantasy stuff. And that's what y'all gotta understand, is with
George Kittle with Little Caesars commercials. With Kittle on the field,
twenty eight carries, one hundred and fifty one yards, two touchdowns,
one four yards before contact per carry. That means they
don't get touched per yard and a half. He's such

(01:30:37):
a stud in the run with Kittle off the field
six carries twelve yards negative two point one yards per contact.
Quite a difference between those sets of sets of numbers.
That is the Kittle effect.

Speaker 2 (01:30:53):
And then you have which I think he is in
the running for MVP because there's not a standalone back
out there. Baker got shown up this week. Uh, Dak,
I mean, I just don't think they're gonna have the record.

Speaker 1 (01:31:09):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:31:09):
It's difficult, yes, because you have to have like a
really winning record. Josh Allen isn't being the super superhuman
I heard the hands down. MVP is Patrick Mahomes right now. No,
he sucked the first four games.

Speaker 1 (01:31:22):
I bet you. I bet he's still I bet he
is too too. But CMC has already gotten Christ McCaffrey
so many records. He has broken McCaffrey's one hundred plus
yards rushing seventy yards receiving yards seventh time in his career,
breaking Hall of Fame Marshall Fox and Priests Holmes for

(01:31:46):
most in NFL NFL history damn seven games with one
hundred plus and seventy plus. He is number three in
receptions and that includes the wide receivers. He's only behind
Pooka and Jamar Chase just let this nice. It is

(01:32:10):
nice to in a little bit. It's a nice scheme
to play in if you're a running back. Yeah, so
he also like he also has like his stats are
ridiculous right now. There was a couple more, but let's
go ahead and talk about the man himself. So hold
it real quick. On the MVP odds. According to Vegas

(01:32:32):
Jackson Smith and Jigba still has higher MVP odds than
Christian McCaffrey, and the number it's such ridiculous. That is
the top ten, top twelve odds are all quarterbacks. The
first running back you get is actually Jonathan Taylor with
the Colts, And even McCaffrey's not even ahead of Jonathan Taylor,

(01:32:53):
even Daniel jon Well Jonathan Taylor.

Speaker 2 (01:32:55):
That's phil Is it just rushing touchdowns? Because Christian McCaffrey
has had a touchdown every single game.

Speaker 1 (01:33:01):
I just don't think they're just receiving. They're just never
gonna give it to anybody but a quarterback from here
on out. Unless a dude rushes for twenty five hundred
yards or something, he's tie.

Speaker 2 (01:33:11):
He's tied Roger Craig for starting off seven games. Hall
of Famer Roger Craig for Niners for seven straight games
with one hundred plus yards from scrimmage, and he's gonna
break it next week. Is it is no brainer. He's
almost up to two hundred touches on the ball. He

(01:33:32):
ran up the middle so much this time because we
had Kittle. It was ridiculous, Like there was so many
like I just I could go on and on about it,
but we lost one. Fred Warner, he was there at
the game, but we had one. Kyle Shanahan give one
of the greatest. In my opinion, I wish there was

(01:33:55):
a mic in this room because I think this would
have been an all time great like not pregame, but
practicing in the week pep talk. I turned on Fred's
first game in twenty eighteen, and I showed all his
clips from the game, and it wasn't what you think.

Speaker 1 (01:34:15):
He had no dreads. He wasn't.

Speaker 2 (01:34:16):
He was wearing number forty eight, he had no swag,
did not look totally like Fred Warner. And it was
right after I showed them their tape against Tampa and
I go, guys, you know I'd be dead wrong if
I just said this is the same guy that I
showed the Tampa game against Fred's first game against Minnesota.
I'm probably gonna going with you guys over Fred. Now

(01:34:39):
would that been in a mistake. We all know Fred's
going to be a Hall of Famer, how good he is,
but you guys should know how good you guys can be.

Speaker 1 (01:34:49):
Two. All of that is great, but no one else
on that roster as Fred Warner. Like I hear it,
so I hear the motivational tactic. But also the guy
who took over his job.

Speaker 2 (01:35:00):
Bo Uh, I gotta remember his name, but like Bouthane
or something like that. Nineteen yards allowed on passing, He
had ten plus tackles counting. He led the league in
the led the team in tackles. He did a hell
of a job and we were gang tackling like the

(01:35:22):
old Niners. It was ridiculous. Good job, Robert sala. I
think we're gonna lose him.

Speaker 1 (01:35:28):
Next year. Someone's gonna try to hire him as a
head coach. I think it's too quick of a turnaround,
that the Jets is just a dead jobs like going
to Cleveland. Yeah, it doesn't it doesn't help well. Even
Stefanski won Coach of the Year with the Browns a
couple of years ago when he actually got him to decency.

Speaker 2 (01:35:44):
But speaking of old Fred Warner and Kittle, if you
can queue up the tape there, LG. You gotta love
some kittle man. This guy, you know, he does the WWE.
You had ceing Punk there just to watch Kittle on
the sidelines and this is what he says on post

(01:36:06):
uh post game.

Speaker 4 (01:36:08):
He is the Aura farming king. I will say that,
how about Fred Warner being shown on the on the
scoreboard and we almost had to go on a silent
count because we couldn't hear a play call. How selfish
of Fred Warner. Goodness, gracious, that's good.

Speaker 1 (01:36:24):
That's a good thing. That's a Aura farming king. Also,
if you're on offense, don't put your guy on the
big screen when you know the crowd is gonna explain. Yeah, exactly,
he's a defensive player. Him on big screen a couple
of times. But Kittle is the perfect example of a
guy that I despise because he is on a team

(01:36:47):
that hates my team. Like Kittle wearing the F Dallas
shirt would be so awesome if it was an F
Philly shirt and he was a Dallas cowboy like he
is the exact kind of guy. When he's on your team,
you love him. When you're playing against him, that's one
bad m effort that's going to Yeah, and guess what

(01:37:08):
he is where we're just like very much so. And
also it's not it's not lost on me that you
know you reference see him punk. That's what Kittle is.
Kittle is a heel wrestler who thrives on that kind
of uh you know, fueled by hatred amongst every other

(01:37:30):
fan base. Uh. Yeah, there's no question he's a run
greater helping helping, y'all. We helped.

Speaker 2 (01:37:38):
We held him to ten points. We didn't let Bejeon
go off Lenor he got.

Speaker 1 (01:37:44):
A horrible p I call. That was just he locked
down Drake London.

Speaker 2 (01:37:49):
It was an overall like if we had if we
had Pierce all I you you know, party we would
have we would have won that game thirty five to ten.

Speaker 1 (01:38:03):
You know, it was.

Speaker 2 (01:38:04):
It was ridiculous, how a fishing we were on defense
and how a fishing. The one interception Mac Jones had
was one Jwan Jennies who's been crying for the ball,
catch it tosses it.

Speaker 1 (01:38:18):
That yeah, yeah, oh my god, not not good for
your case. So despite with all of the injuries, the
Niners having the most money that's on the injured list,
injured reserve not coming back this year right now, and
it doesn't look like any team's probably gonna catch them.
You're number two division, leading the division all of the

(01:38:42):
teams that are five and two, or it's the weird
moment where all the five and two teams are behind
a team that only has four wins because the Packers
tie technically is more valuable than the two losses. So right,
So the Niners five and two sit atop the division.

(01:39:03):
But it's a division that includes two other five and
two teams right now.

Speaker 2 (01:39:07):
And we've won against both both of them and also
in here at their house, so when we play them again.

Speaker 1 (01:39:15):
It's at our house. And is it the the Seattle
and LA, well, even though LA so far is Levi South,
But it's either the Rams or the I think it's
the Seahawks that don't Their two losses are in the division, right,
The Seahawks two losses are to you and the Rams. Yeah,
so they're they've got five wins against the AFC, yeah,

(01:39:39):
and the two losses within the division. Donald looks, God, man,
some of those throws last night. Yeah, just right in
the pocket. Minnesota is looking Jackson, Jackson, do this. Minnesota's
looking worse and worse for that decision to move on
from Sam Donald. I ask you, though, is it still

(01:39:59):
I mean you're feeling obviously it's still y'all's division. Oh,
it's our division.

Speaker 2 (01:40:03):
Yeah, yeah, like I mean you're telling me we're not
gonna like I mean, we're gonna go to Arizona. You know,
we're gonna have but that's towards the end of the year,
and I think that's after our bye. So we're gonna
be rested up and then we're gonna play the other
two at home and we're gonna be more healthy. Mustafa
coming back as our safety, huge impact. That killed that

(01:40:28):
killed their run games. One of the reasons why we
left let k Fonga go because we just could not
pay him that big contract.

Speaker 1 (01:40:34):
Sounds like you're ordering food at a Puerto Rican restaurant.
Uh the delicious yea, like the old Keenan poppy skit on.

Speaker 2 (01:40:45):
All right, I'll stop talking niners, you little cry babies,
just because you just you hate us because you ain't.

Speaker 1 (01:40:51):
Us, do you know who leads the league right now?
And uh points margin and points differential, Baby, say, I
don't know, man, it's the only team that still only
has well, I guess Packers only have one loss because
they have the stupid tie. It's the Colts. The Colts.

(01:41:12):
Oh yeah, they are so far and away. They have
their they're blockbuster hits. Their point differential is like thirty
points ahead of the next closest team, which is the Chiefs,
because they've been racking up blowouts over the last couple
of week.

Speaker 2 (01:41:27):
Johnson Taylor in the second round is gonna win some
fantasy leagues like that one.

Speaker 1 (01:41:31):
Yeah. Oh that's me. Hey, that's me, me, that is me.
Shout out to James are five dollars super check complaining
about fantasy teams. Yes, there was a lot to complain about.
Man McLaurin. Oh, no, James, is I got James for
you because that's actually ah, that's a Formula one oh Lauren,

(01:41:56):
Oh not mclauren. I was, yeah, not scary, Terry McLaren
in the manufacturer. They had a bad weekend over in
Austin in the Formula one. Right, It's like this is America,
So these are the teams. We we we don't turn
multiple directions. We made a sport out of bootleg, and

(01:42:17):
we don't hire engineers from NASA to come work for
our pit crew. The one movie, like, I learned a
lot about formulas, pretty sickly. So the reason I lead
with the Colts like that because it's officially I am
officially wagon, not on the bandwagon, but I'm not a disbeliever.
They are in the contenders category now, and the only

(01:42:38):
the only reason, it's not just the eye test. Here
are the gap between the top teams, which is where
I look at the NFL Super Bowl odds every week,
and that's how I'm looking at who Vegas is calling contenders.
Yeah so Chiefs, Lions, Bills, Packers, Eagles are all under

(01:43:04):
plus one thousand. Okay, in terms of odds, Rams and
Colts are both at like plus twelve hundred or plus
thirteen hundred, depending on where you get it. But then
the gap to the next closest team is all the
way up to plus two thousand. So love the no
respect on the Niners. Oh yeah no, y'all area we
had power ranking. We're number two in power ranking, y'all

(01:43:27):
are plus twenty two hundred right now. So you're not
even that next team. So I we got to mention,
we got to fill the dams ahead of us, even
though we whooped there we were We'll talk about one
of the most injuried riddle time at the We didn't
have half our starters and we beat them in their
house handedly, not just oh it was a squeaker, We

(01:43:52):
handedly beat them. Does anyone, I mean, god man, Vegas
really like the Rams.

Speaker 2 (01:44:00):
They love Matthew Stafford. They did that with the Lions
all the time.

Speaker 1 (01:44:04):
Well, Jared versus having a great the defensive line has
been causing trouble. They haven't had defense, not nearly as
many injuries as I think. The injuries is what Vegas
is looking at in terms of y'all's odds.

Speaker 2 (01:44:17):
Like, but we're getting healthy, are you guys? Iked about
two weeks? We're gonna looking at a week ten.

Speaker 1 (01:44:24):
Certain guys won't be healthy till training camp next year. Well,
let's let's start with the Rams. We'll burn through these.
Uh you just you.

Speaker 2 (01:44:32):
Cause doom and gloom on you right now, you're gonna
go stick the knife in and.

Speaker 1 (01:44:35):
Twisted thirty five to seven. Fred Warregan come back at
the Super Bowl.

Speaker 2 (01:44:40):
Really yeah, they said it is absolutely possible for him
to have a four months tun round.

Speaker 1 (01:44:46):
If that's possible, then I would think it's probably likely
he would play in a conference championship game too. And
your Rice came back from I don't get I don't
give a damn about Joel Rice. I don't give a
Jerry Rice was incredibly overrated because he was a system receiver.
He was terrible, terrible. I'm walking off the show. Please,

(01:45:08):
that's why. How that's how I can get you? Do
I believe that. No, but it'll get you. Shut up
about Jerry Rice. Uh. Your division rival Rams destroyed the
Jags in Vegas. That was one of the games we
picked one of the games. I picked the Rams, You
picked the Jazz. That was I was me waking up,
going ude. That was your only loss on the week,

(01:45:32):
though you went four out of five.

Speaker 2 (01:45:34):
They finally gave to Travis Hunter, which I was happy.
I was like, because I have in my id IDP
slot and he gave me a twenty burger. You know,
didn't win, didn't win, but I was like, at least
my d bag movie of the year.

Speaker 1 (01:45:48):
Yes, still gave you something out of like finally showing fruit,
showing signs that it might have some value. Chiefs we
mentioned destroyed the Raiders thirty one. Nothing, nothing to take
away from that game. Chiefs are starting to seemingly get
and they did get Rashid Rice back, so surprise, surprise. Yeah,
the next Jerry Rice is back in the lineup for

(01:46:10):
the Chiefs. Eagles twenty eight Vikings twenty two. Huh, I
see that man's name out your mouth, I said, Eagles. Uh,
the Eagles with the wide receiver duo, you probably thinks
better than Rice and Stokes, with AJ Brown and DeVante Smith,
they put twenty eight on the I can't keep I
can't keep doing it, Vikings.

Speaker 2 (01:46:32):
I think is JJ Like I mean, Wentz was good,
but we all know why Winz is a backup.

Speaker 1 (01:46:39):
Now. Yeah, it was horrible that game. Again, all I
can think about if you're a Vikings fan and you're
seeing what Darnold's doing in Seattle, you've seen JJ McCarthy
not be on the field majority of the games this season,
and even when he was, you didn't like what you saw.
Now you see Carson Wentz cook up over there. Yeah

(01:47:00):
against against Pittsburgh. Yeah, I I not that I there's
a bunch of random Vikings fans here in town because
of the Red mccomb's previous ownership of the Vikings. They're
wasting justin Jefferson's prime years. Big time, big time Colts, dude.
The Colts aren't just beating teams. They're demolished, you know,

(01:47:24):
thirty eight to twenty four over the Chargers. Are we
sure the Chargers are good? I think that's the takeaway
for me, because they're horrible at D.

Speaker 2 (01:47:33):
They're horrible at D. Like they they're injury riddled. They
even made that trade last week to try to like
plug some holes.

Speaker 1 (01:47:42):
Herbert's that good.

Speaker 2 (01:47:43):
But like, what are you doing when you're getting chased
out the pocket every time and you got to extend
the place. You don't have your start to starting running
backs with Hampton and Omari and Hampton and Najie Harris,
So you're sitting there trying to have money Vedel out there,

(01:48:03):
which I wish you put He put up a little
fantasy points, but he's more of a third down back.

Speaker 1 (01:48:08):
Yeah you can't. That can't be your exclusive option. But
that's why the Colts are so good.

Speaker 2 (01:48:12):
They have a strong running game with a very competent
passer and good tall receivers with estellar tight end.

Speaker 1 (01:48:21):
Yeah, what does that sound like? Tyler Warren is a
absolute stud I think Warren. I think Warren might be
the second best tight end in the league right now,
behind number one in fancy points. Is he really Yeah,
he's number one in fancy points. I can't even troll
you with getting a reaction on that. That's crazy. I mean,
that doesn't surprise me because it's I mean, it's a
big part of the Daniel Jones revival. I'm surprised he

(01:48:44):
can see straight with those cross eyes, but you know, yeah,
he's got Joey Gallo. Dude. I think still the Colts
are way more of a contender than first appeared. I
will agree with that, but I also still think the
Chargers might be the more fraudulent team here, Like I

(01:49:04):
don't think it's I think it's more likely the Chargers
are fraudulently good then the Colts being a fraudulent contender.

Speaker 2 (01:49:11):
They lost Joey Bosa and he's actually showing that he's
doing good over in Buffalo, you know, and he's still
can Heazo's pressure, still can get the sacks they well
didn't they have Khalil Mack at one time. Yeah, and
then they gave him away, you know, or did he
get hurt like I think.

Speaker 1 (01:49:32):
He got entered Witness Protection program? Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:49:35):
Shout out to James Gang. James Gang the hottest team
in SPORTSK Fantasy football.

Speaker 1 (01:49:40):
I don't know, man, I'm getting my legs underneath me
with cde lamback, James. Yeah, Max's still there, but uh,
Witness protection program the U. Elsewhere in the Contenders, Packers
played with their food, but they end up beating the
Cardinals twenty seven to twenty three. Yeah, Micah getting the
three sacks should have been four if not for the hip.

(01:50:00):
Is Jordan Love and the Packers are your number one
seed in the NFC right now? Is Jordan Love really
that good? That feels like a calling Cowherd segment, just
waiting to really what I got wrong? Jordan Love? Not
not that good? Not that not really good? Not really?
I don't know. I think if.

Speaker 2 (01:50:20):
Josh Jacobs I still put Josh Jacobs is like one
top five running back for me.

Speaker 1 (01:50:24):
Uh, second in the league and touchdowns right now, Josh Jacobs,
I put him at four or five Jonathan Taylor. Josh
Jacobs then Javonte Williams. That's your top three touchdown rushing
touchdowns for the league, right. I know, it's ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (01:50:38):
It kills me because I drafted him for like every
year that he was in Denver and now as you
should have, like I saw him so many times. I'm like,
hell no.

Speaker 1 (01:50:50):
He wasn't even guaranteed to be the starter the week
of Game one. I mean, I don't think you're crazy, James,
all right, I don't think you're got momentum. U Lions
beat the Bucks twenty four to nine last night on
Monday Night football. I don't The game was really uh

(01:51:12):
not even I.

Speaker 2 (01:51:14):
Almost need to rewatch it because it was the early
game and I was still doing stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:51:17):
So that's what I wanted to ask you. Somebody.

Speaker 2 (01:51:19):
Like everything I'm reading is like the Bucks got hosed,
like they got Kansas City Chiefs ref job.

Speaker 1 (01:51:27):
Yeah, I think I think that's just Again, I read it.

Speaker 2 (01:51:30):
From multiple sources, and it's not like I got a
Tampa Bay algorithm on my phone.

Speaker 1 (01:51:35):
Yeah, watching the whole games? Oh, you watching the whole
game last night? I mean maybe I was just watching
it through my Dan Campbell bias, but I don't. I
didn't walk away from that game thinking if the Bucks,
the Bucks should have won. If not for the officials,
I mean, they still had plenty of opportunity comes back

(01:51:58):
from Yeah, that was rough.

Speaker 2 (01:52:00):
That a thousand yards broken claviical I was wondering what
was because he wasn't moving.

Speaker 1 (01:52:04):
I thought he liked it was bad bad, which again
it's an ending bad, but that looked. I think he
broke the clavicle on the front part of his chest
because he landed thing instead of like breaking like any
other you know, because it's collarbone is what they're saying.
That's exactly exactly where that one hurts. Uh. But I
ask you this, how did you feel about the nine

(01:52:28):
pm Monday night football, like the true double header? You know,
I'm a la I loved it, dude, I loved it.
I saw so many people bitching about, like why is football?
Why am I having to stay up till Yeah? Yeah,
that's that's fair toop until eleven? Yeah, I uh, I
you know it's still I still work that normal schedule.

(01:52:52):
We just rotated a little bit, we just roll it.

Speaker 2 (01:52:55):
Shout out to the West Coast people, and yes, Lonnie,
I do love California, Texas.

Speaker 1 (01:53:00):
That's where I thought, like, if you if every Monday
you told me we're gonna do a six pm kickoff
that involves an East Coast team, we're gonna do a
nine pm kickoff that involves a West Coast team. I
would be absolutely for that every week all season long.

Speaker 2 (01:53:17):
But the majority of people like, if they're looking for eyes,
there's this is not that the East Coast is still
you know, two thirds of the country.

Speaker 1 (01:53:27):
Oh, I guarantee the second half of that game last
night did half as much as the second half of
the early game, and rating as well. It was Texans
couldn't put up much of a fight. Let's burn through
the rest of the schedule. Here we were in here
last Thursday night when the Bengals ended up coming back
beating the Steelers thirty three thirty one. If Joe Flacco

(01:53:50):
can just keep them afloat until Burrow gets back the Bengals,
the Bengals are the last interesting team on the bubble
in the AFC. Something we've talked about already, the if
they sneak in, what's Burrow supposed to come back twelve
twelve to fourteen? I think first week of December. I
believe something like that fourteen they're saying, if you just

(01:54:13):
look at the standings right now, So the Jaguars are
the last team in in the AFC, they're four and three,
but the Chiefs are the first team out. They're four
and three. So you would expect the Chiefs to flip
places with either the Jags or the Chargers, who are
the sixth and seven seed. But we just talked about
the Chargers potentially being fraudulent. How much faith do you

(01:54:37):
actually have double overtime? Oh? Very nice? How much faith
do you have in the Jaguars? The Bengals might be
the team I think the Chiefs jump the Chargers and
the Jags. If Flacco can just keep targeting Chase like that,
I'll take it. Yeah, I'm not ready to you'll take it. Tho.

(01:55:00):
Uh a guy who's MVP odds completely skyrocketed. He's top
He's the fourth best odds for MVP right now. Who
Drake May? Oh? Yeah, Pat's beat the Titans thirty one.

Speaker 2 (01:55:15):
Tom Brady's efficiency record for uh what you call.

Speaker 1 (01:55:20):
It for Patriots? Yeah, it's pretty good when you can
get into.

Speaker 2 (01:55:23):
That only two missed, only two miss passes, And it
wasn't just like twelve passes.

Speaker 1 (01:55:28):
No, no, it was yeah. It was downfield throws to uh
Broncos thirty three points.

Speaker 2 (01:55:35):
So this this one happened in my feels. I'm gonna
give you I'm sure like some people have probably seen this,
but I'm gonna give you this. They put Denarius Thomas,
who passed away way too young at thirty three ye
and the Broncos Ring of Honor, Rest in peace, King.

Speaker 1 (01:55:53):
That was one of the most historic.

Speaker 2 (01:55:55):
Comebacks in NFL history. They they were down by nineteen
points going into the fourth quarter.

Speaker 1 (01:56:07):
It was zero. They had zero points. They did not
score for the first three quarters. So Denarius Thomas passed
away age thirty three, conducted in the ring of parner.
They scored thirty three points in the fourth corner. They
had to eight point drives a nod to his number
eighty eight. Oh don't tell me you're going full defense

(01:56:30):
record recorded thirty three solo tackles starting started the game
winning drive with thirty three seconds left. You're telling me like,
I don't really believe in ye life and stuff like that. Yes,
it seem that that was that's very That man was there, dude,

(01:56:52):
and his family was there. His family was there and
is the unveiling of their whatever they call their Ring
of honor there it was. I also tell you if
the Giants didn't have an idiot kicker, as Peyton Manning
would say, that game would have gone to overtime because
the Giants scored that touchdown, yeah, with less than a

(01:57:14):
minute left, and then the doink thirty two instead of
thirty three and Broncos end up winning with the long
field goal. Yea mentioned Seahawks and Texans last night. Texans
are that next team after the Bengals in the AFC
that I think those are the only two teams because

(01:57:36):
outside of that, you drop all the way down to
your Browns and Dolphins and Raiders and that level of hopelessness.
So Texans still have time. But that offense looks absolutely terrible.

Speaker 2 (01:57:52):
Now, speaking of what you speaking of the Houston Texans,
I saw this. It peak my interest. We were talking
about the coaching trees of like the Kyle Shanahan coaching tree,
a Belichick coaching tree. Get this coaching tree. The two
thousand and six Houston Texans.

Speaker 1 (01:58:10):
You had head coach Gary kubiak oh kobiak oh okay
youmko Ryans as a player. You have Robert sala As
a defensive not coordinator, but coach Anthony Weaver, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:58:24):
I think I think he's a coach somewhere. Defensive coordinator. Uh,
but Mike McDaniel and Kyle Shanahan. You had all them
on the two thousand and six Houston Texans.

Speaker 1 (01:58:36):
Damn, that's a coaching tree right there. Yeah. Anthony Weaver
defensive coordinator for the Dolphins. Yeah, I mean, why do
you put that on there? Because at least he is
long that whole that's gonna be full, clean house. Mike
McDaniel Daniels to have a job, probably because the Dolphins
are just too cheap to fire a guy in seasons.

(01:58:57):
He's got the look. One more one more year of
buy out, run off that deal. We'll finish it out here.
Fringe game Bears, The Bears are right in the NFC
playoff race. Now that Eagles victory really jumpstart or that
Cowboys victory really jump started their season. The Bears are

(01:59:18):
four and two now. They beat the Saints twenty six fourteen,
and they are the first team out of the playoffs
right now in the NFC, which one oh the Bears.

Speaker 2 (01:59:27):
Bears are so I heard it, like the scoring of
the Bears. They've scored over thirty points a game.

Speaker 1 (01:59:33):
It's that. What's his name, the new head coach, the
former offensive coordinator from from the Lions. Good lord, I'm
blinking on his name. Yeah, so Caleb will just throwing
Ben Johnson, DJ Swift, I mean, yeah, DeAndre Swift and
J Swift. He's he's he's running hard.

Speaker 2 (01:59:54):
You got the new kid. It starts at the end.
I'm not even gonna try to get his name. It's
like Massa taka years something.

Speaker 1 (02:00:00):
Oh yeah, let's go with that. I know you're talking, but.

Speaker 2 (02:00:04):
He looks like a Doonsay is actually coming to be
a first round pick like they did.

Speaker 1 (02:00:10):
And Caleb Williams. You know, let's see if he keeps
it up, you know, yeah, I mean the more time
he gets with Ben Johnson. Yeah, the more time Caleb
gets with Ben Johnson, I think you're going to see
the closer version of what they expected when they drafted him. One. Overall,
I mean having a quarterback whisper as a as a

(02:00:32):
head coach certainly goes a long way, I think to
helping some of those younger quarterbacks development cycles. The I
got cows and fringe since they are now Cowboys are
ahead of Washington now in the playoffs, the cows are no,
We're officially the cows are the nine seed, oh, no,

(02:00:54):
ten seed, ten seeds in the NFC. But if you're
a friend, if you're at five hundred, you are not
in the ass column. The only ass games we had
were Browns and Dolphins were uh thirty one six Browns
and then the ultimate ultimate ass because it includes the
Jets thirteen to six, Panthers over Jets and it gave

(02:01:20):
us LG. Do you have this uh clip of this
poor Jets fan. This kid has no idea the next
twenty years of pain or or actually he understands it
perfectly and he's already setting himself up. Have you seen
this clip yet? No? Okay, all right, roll this sea.

(02:01:40):
I get your thoughts in the game. I hate this team.
I was born into this and I'm not gonna ever.
I'm always a Jets fan, but like I just I
hate the same like he just watched. He just watched
a game where nineteen total points were scored and his

(02:02:03):
team lost thirteen to six to the Panthers. As a
lifetime of pain and futility ahead of it.

Speaker 2 (02:02:12):
I was almost as good, Like I didn't save the clip.
But like they asked all the UK people or the
Irish people, oh.

Speaker 1 (02:02:17):
Why do you pick this day?

Speaker 2 (02:02:18):
He's like, well, I'm a Liverpool fan, so I love
to be I love the misery, the pains.

Speaker 1 (02:02:24):
Yeah, he's like, like all the weird as yeah, I
mean if you're a Jets fan. I don't even know
who to comp that to in terms of English soccer,
someone that probably had to go through like bankruptcy. It's
like Portsmouth someone that used to be in the Premier
League for or Blackpool or someone like that who's been

(02:02:44):
relegated for twenty years. So let's get our bets. Let's
who won. Who won what? So we both went four
and five. We both picked Dallas, we both picked San Francisco,
we both picked the Panthers. Picked San Francisco yeah. Uh.
And then I got the you got the Jags, you
got the Lions, uh, and I had the Bucks. So

(02:03:06):
we both go four and five. Overall records now thirteen
to twelve, which is funny because when you think about
it in terms of what is profitable, like if we
had actually been uh wink, hint, hint, wink wink. Putting
any kind of units of currency on these games. We're
floating right around five hundred, which is usually where your profit. Like,

(02:03:30):
I'm a little over fifty found I found bitcoin. I'm
thirteen of twenty. We picked twenty five total games, and
I've gotten thirteen, right, you've gotten twelve, So we're right
on that line of what would be. We made our
money back fifty exactly. We made money back exactly, so
we've been good so far. All right, man, lighting round,

(02:03:50):
hit it, all right, hit me, Let's go see what
chat to top it to to Diszel had for us
on the picks today. This always gives me a little chuckle.

Speaker 2 (02:04:02):
So Chattizzle had Steelers for the win?

Speaker 1 (02:04:09):
Was that I forgot? That was? They got that wrong.
We're gonna keep jack, how many they get wrong? Rams Jack?
When Patriots, Titans win, Bear, Saints win, Browns, Dolphins win, Panthers,
Jets win, Eagles, Vikings win, Chiefs, bront Raiders win, Broncos,
Giants win, Chargers, Colts loss. That's two Cowboys, Commanders win,

(02:04:31):
Packers Cardinals win, Niners win, Lions win, Seahawks win. That's
pretty good. Week fifteen, games. I don't want to start bad.
I don't want to start putting my money on you
chat to tiptizzle way, I went thirteen and two clothes
man pair of shoes. It does make me wonder where someone,

(02:04:52):
some nerd out there has got their algorithm. And yeah,
like you know, like the DraftKings thing, there's only a
the top, there's only like two percent of people, and
it's these mit people that create algorithms so they know
the win direction, put all these variables into it, and
then they sit there and pop out like eighteen teams
that are like your DraftKings. Pick them teams for the week. Yeah,

(02:05:15):
I mean with results like that, it's hard to I mean,
we you not encouraging this. We went four out of
five with our own human powered intuition, so there is
still hope for the human race. Hit me lg uh
that super chat that James shot out earlier, so he

(02:05:36):
mentioning when we well, okay, so we were talking winners
and losers about the Cowboy game, but another overall loser
from the weekend was definitely McLaren over in Austin. They're guys,
first of all, they're guys wrecked into each other in
the sprint race and one of the Lando Norris's tires
just rolling down the hill as cars are trying to

(02:05:58):
dodge it. So they but they're they're in a championship race,
the two drivers from McLaren, So they're fighting each other
for the World Championship, while Max Verstappin is also trying
to get ahead of both of them. So because McLaren
fought with each other all weekend and didn't have a
real good strategy, didn't have any kind of uh you know,

(02:06:21):
team performance, Verstappin ends up taking the win and looks
looks like one very much. The WDC is the World
Drivers Championship, and Verstappen looks like it might be able
to put a little put up a fight against those

(02:06:42):
McLaren boys. But I hear Garth Brooks was good too,
so hey they love down in al So other plantations
South Carolina LG. If you can put up that uh
that by that church sign for me, Oh no, I don't.
You got to give it an a for creativity Crystal

(02:07:05):
Methodist church adultery is a sin. You can't have your
Kate Kat and Edith E. D I T H. Two
okay churches doing the churches doing the bits with their

(02:07:25):
crystal methods. Yeah, okay, first of all, I think I
think you might be getting ball sacked. I won't get
tea bag because I cracked my my ball sack off
on this one. Churches that do bits with the there was.

Speaker 2 (02:07:43):
A church here, like because there's like eighteen on my
road that someone was doing a bit and they were
doing bits and they stopped.

Speaker 1 (02:07:49):
Yeah, I feel like that's that's probably not what the
Good Lord intended for you to do doing. It's right
up there with like when uh, you know, when a
police department does a TikTok dance trend. It's like, I
need you all to protect and serve nuts. Yeah. Yeah,
let's not put out memified content in the name of

(02:08:11):
our Holy Lord and Savior. Hit me LG. We're gonna
save college football talk for Thursday, Okay, so we can
focus a little closer on college football because I don't
want to squeeze it in tonight. But I do got
to mention one of my heroes from college football childhood,
the old muscle hamster Doug Martin, passes away at thirty

(02:08:35):
six years old, and the details are waiting to see
that police tape so not yet. No, no, no, unless if
it's come out, I've missed it. So he was it
was a attempted home robbery. They end up police stop it,
arrest him, get him in detainment. How Dies how bad

(02:08:57):
of a robbery?

Speaker 2 (02:08:57):
Was it just like a random home or is it
somewhere a He was like, by stuff's there, I'm going
in and taking in.

Speaker 1 (02:09:04):
So one of the yeah, if it was like an
OJ deal where it's like, that's my memorabilia, I'm going
to get it back. So the family. I was reading
one article where his family was saying they had they
had been trying to get him some help over the
last few months because they could tell CT his name
was the muscle Hamster and he ran part like a
thousand percent. I yeah, like Scott above, you.

Speaker 2 (02:09:27):
Shake your head like you have CT every time they're
not going to check you.

Speaker 1 (02:09:30):
That was one of those Uh, that was one of
those headlines that when I read it, like I feel
like we had literally just talked about him on a
couple episodes ago because we were talking about the muscle
Hamster nickname. Yeah, one of the best nicknames ever. But
when you see a dude, you know, I'm thirty nine. Yeah,
he was only thirty six, and I think about some
of those Boise State teams that he was dominant on

(02:09:53):
and how much I loved doing. I think that was
the Kellen Moore years too.

Speaker 2 (02:09:56):
Yes, as quarterback was six of us seven years in Tampa.
He was He was a fan favorite. Man Rest in peace, King,
ye mar. I really hope there wasn't any foul play
on that one.

Speaker 1 (02:10:09):
Hit me LG go ahead and put up for us
anime nerds out there, which I don't really I'm not
really one. I was about to say, are you claiming
to be an anime nerd?

Speaker 2 (02:10:20):
That's news to me really, but like, this was one
of my favorite Dragon Ball Z's. Goku's Japanese voice actor
honored what you Bet Japan's National Merit Award, which was
started in nineteen eighty eight or eighty six, where they
get a siphon every year and it's three point.

Speaker 1 (02:10:38):
Five million yon annually for the rest of your life.
And if you're wondering what that breaks down to, I
am that's exactly what I was looking at. That's what
you're wondering. Let me take take a guess. Don't look
it up, take a guess. I don't look, I'm not.
I just I stopped what I was doing. My first
guess is, if you're putting any kind of currency in

(02:11:01):
the millions, it probably means it's closer to the one
hundred thousand, So three point five I'll just do easy math.
Three point five down to three hundred and fifty thousand dollars.
Three hundred and fifty thousand dollars a year, yeah, American?
Oh wait, no, American, it would be like that. I'm

(02:11:22):
going off American dollars. Yeah. If three point five million yen,
give me final guess, three hundred and fifty thousand, yeah. Yeah,
Oh that's a lot of money. Though, just to give
a random motion, is it thirty five thousand? Is it
even twenty three thousand? Okay, right, twenty three thousand. But
if you look on it, it's a female. I think

(02:11:45):
that's probably if.

Speaker 2 (02:11:46):
You ever want if you ever watched the Goku the
Dragon Ball Z when they become super Saiyans, call me me, homy.

Speaker 1 (02:11:59):
We need that, LG. Yeah, save that for perfectuity. That's
gonna absolutely that's gonna have to be the last thing
you put in the lightning round. Hit me one more time, LG.
And we'll get out of here. Let's end with this.
I'd like we've been doing this a little more often,

(02:12:20):
and when one of these sports clips on this day
pops up, most of them are like so and so
hit a home run in a playoff game, or so
and so rushed for you know, like we had the
Devin Hester. He had a punk return in college and
a punk return in the NFL on the same day,
obviously separate years, or that would have been even crazier news.

(02:12:43):
This one is I think the first time I realized
how much of a legend this former NFL running back
is was, and at this time was ally was feels
like this was the launching point for the care that
became I'm just here so I won't get fined. On

(02:13:05):
this day, we got the greatness that was Col running
back Marshawn Lynch in two thousand and six, ghost riding
the cart celebrating after a Col victory. You have that, LG.

(02:13:27):
This is where we first got incredibly dangerous. He's one
of the people I follow on Twitter, as you should.
Running over random he almost just like five people. I
remember this, and it's just like the fact that no
one obviously stepped in is yeah, like it was. He

(02:13:51):
he doesn't. He's a photographer now. The birth of an
absolute legend right there. I feel like that was the
moment where we all kind of got the first glimpse
of what Marshawn Lynch, what kind of character he was
gonna be. On our Collective Sports Live.

Speaker 2 (02:14:06):
I forgot who he said it to, or Shack or
something or Lebron. He's like, yeah, I'm become a photo
photographer because I wanted to take a picture of all
the booties in the world.

Speaker 1 (02:14:16):
Again, that kind of checks out, Liz. Doesn't surprise me
one bit. On that note. Next week, I'll get to
our fantasy football wrap up. Yeah, Thursday, we'll do fantasy
football recap, We'll do college football talk of course preview
the football weekend head Also, I should say again remember

(02:14:39):
I'll be back with Andy Thursday afternoon, four to seven
over on Ticket seven sixty before we get back in
the room Thursday night to do another episode of the pod.
Here cap, how can the people get a hold of you?
The Captain's Chair two one oh Twitter and ig be
sure to hit ig to see the clips that I
put time and effort in. Yeah, and I will vouch

(02:14:59):
for quality of the clips. They there's there's usually at
least one of them that gets me. Uh gets me
every time. If you want to reach out to me,
find it on x at, Biggest Puma, Instagram, Biggest Dot Puma.
Lg Win's the next stream Friday Friday Stream? Am I crazy?
Or am I not hearing ultra music? Is it playing well?

(02:15:24):
You hit the table so damn hard earlier anything, I don't.
I can't hear anything in my left ear. Now it's
my right ear that I can't hear. I hope Autro.

Speaker 2 (02:15:35):
We have a we have a wish list on Amazon
if you want to buy some new mics and stuff.

Speaker 1 (02:15:41):
Enjoy Yes or a ninety three Honda Civic. Enjoy the
basketball tonight, Enjoy Spurs Opening Night, Tomorrow night, Godspurs go.
We'll recap it all. As Gina would say, come Thursday,
you'll be good. Peace bo.

Speaker 4 (02:16:10):
Kids.

Speaker 1 (02:16:10):
What do we say about drugs? Holda you just stay lovely, Yeah,
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