April 7, 2024 • 60 mins
Another week of TRUTH! On the latest episode of, THE TRUTH LOUNGE, Paul and J Crowe chop it up about a WHOLE bunch of topics, including the bets player to never win a ring, LeBron's GOAT comment, Paolo Banchero and Luka's MVP case. They also make their all-NBA picks and share an epic Jordan all-star story.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Welcome to the Truth Lounges today as usual, you got
your boy truth, jay Crow, we're gonna talk about a
couple teams out east. We're gonna talk about Caitlyn Clark.
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She's killing it. But before we even get into the show,
I got a couple things I want to clear up,
and particularly I said some things on Undisputed the other
day that came out probably the wrong way, maybe offended
some people when I mentioned Kaitlyn Clark and the LSU Tigers.
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Now you got a predominantly white squad versus a predominantly
black team LSU Tiger who came off as villains nowhere
come from when we hoop And then you gotta look
at this. The game of basketball is predominantly black. So
when you have a white player comes in and kills.
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For example, I looked at white man can't jump like
the movie when Billy Doyle came in there, came in
the hood killed. You know, initially he was looked at like,
oh he can't, he can't with the brothers in the hood. No,
we're gonna go up at go at him. Once he
started killing, he earned that respect. Now I've always respected
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Caitlin Clark, but when I seen her do it against
a more athletic team team that's what's considered the villains
defending champs. I was like, all right, if she ball
out verse them and get the dub, my hat's off
to her. Not that it wasn't before, but it was
like another respect You get another respect level as a
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white player in a predominantly black sport when you go
out there and play that way and you have an
historic game. So this wasn't a knock on the white
players and black players doing that. This was just in
general when we look at it my perspective of you know,
and it maybe came out the wrong way and it
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probably didn't explain it the right way, but that's it.
You know that, Like if you have Rogers Park and
some young white kid come in there, just off the top,
you're like, oh no, we're about to go at him,
just initially, well.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
We know, I know what you're going off the game
when he's like you said, it's a predominantly lee black sport,
especially here in America, right, especially here in America. Then
at the guard position, when you look at the guard position.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
And then when you're the best player in a predominantly
black sport, as a white player, you're the best player
in the whole college, in all the college you're the
best player. That's like, whoa, I'm looking at that at
a whole other level.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
But then you gotta look at.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
But it's been done in the girls game. It's been
done in the girls game numerous time.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Look, that's the leading scorer all time for men's and
it's a white player. It's all time leading scorer for girls.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
Yeah, but like it's gonna be hats off. Like when J. J.
Reddick was in college killing everybody or or.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Nah, but he was killing in a different way she was.
She was killing in a way like more of like
a Steph Curry, Kyrie Irvans. She was getting her buckets,
she was hitting miraculous shots, she was creating space. That's
not J. J. Reddi's game. J. J. Reddick was playing
in a way J he was playing like Hoosiers. That's
the way we He's playing like Steve Alford. Come on
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to steal this step. We we own this topic.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
What's my boy from Gozaga?
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Adam Morrison.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Adam Morris, I was like, oh, you know, respect, It
was not just a different when you're the best player.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
He was not the best player.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
He was the best player in college.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
That was who was not that. It wasn't him.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
He was the number pick?
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Was he?
Speaker 1 (05:10):
They blew it? Come on, so much respect, you know,
all love with Kaitlin Clark doing. I love how she's
growing the girls game and now it's got me watching. Uh,
you know, it'll be one of the greatest stories if
he goes on and wins the national championship. So I
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just wanted to clear that up. It wasn't no knock
on her or nothing. She's cold. You know, we even
talked about she can't she get a bucket in the
Big Three. She showed, she show she's so cold, So
you know, knock all that stuff off, y'all. Know what
I'm saying. This ain't got nothing to do about black thing,
white thing, but in the in the sport where black
players are predominantly dominant, it's it's another level of respect
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in that case. So Caitlyn, good luck, Yukon, good luck
South Carolina, good luck and she stayed good luck. And
I'm just hoping for a great Final four. And you know,
the girls game, y'all doing it. I appreciate y'all. I'm
gonna be tuning in, so you know that's that And
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I'm ready to move on from it. You know, let's
talk some NBA hoops. A couple of teams that come
to mind, the Knicks. I'm really feeling good about the
Knicks that they won't make it out the first round.
I'm saying. Julius Rando announced. They announced Julius Rando, a
key pieston and an All Star that's gonna have season
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ending so shoulder surgery. And I just think that's like
when you when you have a player of that caliber
that's in your mix going into the playoffs, that can
be emotionally draining, Like I know we were. We were
emotionally drained when we found out KG wasn't gonna play
in the playoffs in two thousand and and non because
he got hurt during the year and then it kind
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of got prolonged during the season and we're like, all right,
you know, we get through the regular season, maybe he
come out for the playoffs. So when we got the
news he was was gonna play, it just kind of
emotionally drained us.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
I don't think that's the case with this because I
think that these young guys want the opportunity. I think
they've already seen it put in their mind. I think
a greater problem for the Knicks right now is that
you're gonna have other teams in that sixth spot potentially
that are damaging and dangerous to them if they make
it in the fourth spot, like the Heat teams like this. Now,
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if it's a Knicks magic first round, then.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Oh, speaking of the magic, we got to talk. You know,
who don't get enough credit?
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Dog?
Speaker 1 (07:41):
You know who don't get who ain't getting no credit?
Paolo ben Cherrow.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Yeah he's not on the national TV bro.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
He made the All Star team in his second year.
I look up in Orlando's in the fourth slot. Who
pagged Orlando after the season they had last year as
a top four seed possibly going to sew up a
first round home court advantage in the first round. Nobody
saw that coming. And I don't hear nobody nationally talking
about Polo, So you know, I was calling them Pablo power,
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this Escobar, Hey, I know your name now your.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Name Carol but Ben Carrol West Coast. But the thing
about this, this is what look this playoffs right here
is going to be an exciting time. What I'm saying
about the NBA, the NBA and season tournament was great,
I see why I was done. Now the Final four
and all that's wrapping up. Now we're getting ready for
the NBA playoffs. And this year you have all these
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new teams who are built for the regular season. Now
we have to see if they're gonna do something in
the playoffs because you got a lot of young players.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
You didn't have Orlando right now where they.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Are, but their roster is built for the regular season.
Got a lot of young players who are contributing consistently.
It's not just he's the guy that's not taking nothing
from him.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Nobody talking about you got the wagon. They talking about
him because they.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Don't come on that he's in that.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
Next group of young superstars that need to be talked about.
He in the same sentence as Shae Anthony Edwards.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Uh No, no, No, he's not in that sentence. He's
in the next sentence Zion. No, what you mean was Zion? Okay,
I'll give you that. He's in that sentence. He's not
in that sentence with He's not an m VP candidate
Edwards and share m v P candidates. He's not in
that sentence. He's doing well.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Now, I mean, I'm saying I didn't say MVP in
the next Rise of Superstars.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Those guys have arrived.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
They just got they gotta get.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
He's not on the plane yet.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
He's on the plane. He's not in the back of
the plane. He's not in first class. He ain't coach,
he ain't coach. He's not on the same plane. This
is not that type of.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Plane and only all that room for economy and class
and coach. No, this is a class.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
No, no, no, this is the jet Blue first class
jet Blue out Yet he oh, he on the plane. No,
he an all star, fourth seeds, different room. We know
that he on the plane. He's just not in the
first class yet.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
No. Yeah, you're on the plane with Zion right now,
with these guys that got their team in first second,
competing for the first for the number one.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Overall Jason in the West. Look, the first class is
filled up. Jason Tatum, Zion, Anthony Edwards, Zion, Zion Wilson
in there next class of Superstars.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
So you're putting him in the same boat with Jason Tatum.
He ain't even done nothing in the playoffs. How does
he get you ready to just give you?
Speaker 1 (10:37):
Paolo sitting next to Zion that's what.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Okay, there's no coach on this plane getting these people
away from me. There is no Yes, so it's a
different plane. This plane don't have zion on.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Anybody can't say first class.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
I don't care about I need space. I don't need people.
If nobody sitting next to that. What I'm telling you
this is playing with Jason Tatum. Is jo kic mb
to still room when he get healthy. We're gonna hold
his seat, all right, hold his seat. We got Asthny Edwards,
we got Shy, we got Luca.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
Our six seats. Okay, who's still in there? Who else?
That's enough to put Kevin Durant, Steph Curry d it's
ten seats in first class.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
Alright, give those guys those seats class.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Now, these other casts.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
On the same plane with Lebron. This ain't this. Ain't that.
You can't ride with him, brother that way you talking
about you know better than that. Come on, no, no,
you're not get on the plane with Lebron with with
with these guys. Polo right now, he's come on, man,
win some playoff games. I'm saying something. All right, The
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coach don't exist on this plane.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
Polo needs to be going to the Olympics, Yes.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Or no, you get on that plane. Well different plane.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Well, Lebron's gonna be on that plane.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Ain't gonna be on his own plane. And he's the
one that we gotta worry about because he's the cover
that he had those type of style.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
He gonna be on the planes of Paris. Lebron's gonna
be on the plane. Step is gonna be on the
Polos on the plane.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
What we're gonna call this team? We already had the
redeem team. We had the Redeem team that we coming.
What is this team?
Speaker 1 (12:19):
This is gonna be the because.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
We gotta do something, we need to make something up.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
We will this is We're gonna keep going. We got
going off, didn't he?
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Dylan Bruys was out there yelling with the World Games.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Yes, we adn't worry about no World Games. We didn't
worry about that. We took our c team out there.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
What about the one he was on? What team was
that one.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
World World team? How you got nothing sac about that?
We were the first team to lose.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
So we don't care about the World Games.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
We stopped caring about the World Games. Obviously, the main
that the heavy hitters didn't go the top dogs. Was
just chilling they didn't go. We don't care about the
World Game. We just cared enough to qualify and then
we'll see y'all at the big stage. We ain't tripping
off of that now. We don't care about the World
Games no more. We know teams is gonna stack their
World Game teams up and be ready. Just be ready
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for us in the Olympics then. So, I mean, it
is what it is. But Polo's on the USA train.
So if y'all watching Polo, I need you on that team.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
We need him on that team. You need to be
on that team. He's having a great year. Team. But
that's what I'm saying. The playoffs are exciting because we
have so many so much fresh blood that it gives
a lot of storylines. These guys are gonna have a
chance to really establish themselves. We know what it is
players are established in the playoffs. Going against a team
winning four games out of seven, now that you have
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to in that first round, it sets you apart. That's
why we love Donovan Mitchell to this day because he's
done that. Now he has to come. Is he going
to get through? He hasn't been able to do it
in the East. You know, he hasn't been able to
get that win.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
We coming to the end of the year. All right, look,
who y'all all NBA first and second team? First and
second team. Were a few games left in the season.
It's time for these NBA all NBA teams to come out.
Who you got on first second team?
Speaker 2 (14:11):
And what we gotta remember is who you got on
first second. No, I'm just saying, it's not positionless. It's
not positionless, all right, So who you got? You have
to name the players. So my center is Jokich. Okay,
my guards are gonna be and Luca. All right, So
we made Anthony is a small forward, Anthony Edwards, he's.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
Off, I said, Jannis and Anthony Everts. That's what you're
going with.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
It was a guard?
Speaker 1 (14:37):
Oh he off.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
He's gotta be unless we're just gonna change it up.
What is he listed as? We're gonna change the listing
in the in the media?
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Guy, I mean, all right, well, who, Well, he's not
over Luca and he's not over shape.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
No, no, no, no, no mind. So we got Tatum right there.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
Tatum, that's your second team. That's my second team, Edwards
first and forewar guard.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Uh who your big man, Anthony Davis.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
My big man will be Anthony Davis. Give it up.
He played the sixty five games. That's that. That that's Bron. No,
any Davis not a center, and we're putting him at
four forward?
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Whatever? What is he then? Wow?
Speaker 2 (15:15):
If he if he's not a center, hold up, you
know what I'm changing it. I'm changing it up. I'm
putting Davis as a forward. I'm putting win Ben YadA
because I don't even think.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
That second team. Who else at the center?
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Yeah, and b is not going to qualify?
Speaker 1 (15:28):
No, he ain't getting on there. Not second team.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Now, okay, tell me who your center is. Tell me
Davis is the singer. He's a forward. You know, Anthony
Davis got a phobia about that.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
He's list of that center.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
The bonus. All right, let's go Anthony.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
Davis, Anthony Davis. Sorry, Anthony Davis. Edwards, Lebron, Lebron isn't
playing enough games?
Speaker 2 (15:49):
Did he? He got sixty five games?
Speaker 1 (15:52):
Yeah, Lebron got enough games.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
I don't know. I'm telling you, okay, well oh yeah Lebron. Yeah, okay, No,
who's the guard though, who's that guard? Jalen Brunson, Jalen Brunson,
Jalen Brunson, Jalen Brunson.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Oh my god, he's throwing a wrench in these teams.
So no Booker, no Durant.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
Nah, not over Jayalen Brunton this year Durant got action though,
But I gotta make sure. What about Paulo? Where is
he at on this?
Speaker 1 (16:22):
I'm gonna asking. So no Booker, no Durant on first
or second team?
Speaker 2 (16:25):
Let me see it. No Curry, No, no Curry crazy,
no curse crazy, no chef. No Curry this year?
Speaker 1 (16:32):
Bronson, Yeah, let me see that. Damn Currie nah Man.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
Great year for Kyrie, but uh no.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
So lebron A d Anthony Atwards.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
Do we go Kawhi?
Speaker 1 (16:49):
So you're gonn Kawhi?
Speaker 2 (16:51):
I'm gonna. I'm gonna go Kawhi over Durant, I will.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
Damn So let me get this straight. You ain't got
no Curry, no Booker, no Durrant on a certain versus
second team though, No, no Durant, no no uh who
else is out there? You got Jayleen, no Jylen Brown,
uh who had? No Jimmy Butler, no Bam out of Bio. No, damn.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
So the third team gets muscled. That team is a
hard team to make. Oh my god, third team is hard,
I think.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
No, Kyrie Nah so ooh that's crucial. Ooh that's crucial.
No Curry on first our second team.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
It's not really crucial. He's been doing this thing. Give
him credit. But you got the other Mitchell Mitchell, No,
not over, not over these guys because you got Anthony Edwards.
I got Anthony Edwards on my second team, so that
everything's pushed back. Jalen Brun saying, you talked about the
injuries to two starters and they're they're not even sniffing
the play in. So he's on my team and and
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it's just a hard team to make this year, first
and second team. That's no knock to nobody. You got
d Aaron Fox averaging twenty six points a game. We're
not even mentioned to him. He's not a bonus. Yeah,
he's leading the league in probably. Yeah, he's having an
amazing year and Fox is they're both having What.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
You gotta do to get them The NBA gotta, they
gotta raise, they gotta put more players on the team. Though,
they gotta they need to put eight players on first team,
second team thirteen.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
Stop watering and stuff down.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
No, it ain't watered down.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Make it hard. It's not even. It's always been hard.
So now we gotta go eight. Only five can play. Man,
Come on, stop messing with the basketball, damn. But somebody
gotta come off the bench. Somebody gotta clap. It is
what it is? What are yours?
Speaker 1 (18:47):
What am I? What?
Speaker 2 (18:48):
You're top? Your first and second team?
Speaker 1 (18:51):
My first team like Luca Tatum, Joker, Johannis Shack.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
The same as mine. All right. They have our second
team tomatoes Alvocado.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
Our second team different. My second team is.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
All right, let's get into that. Don't be different for
the sake of being different. Man, Just get the this
is real. I got Jaylen Brown over who.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
You asked me?
Speaker 2 (19:24):
Right? What position I'm saying, I'm waiting her guard.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Okay, I got Jaylen Brown best record by a mile
in the league. He gotta get on it. He gotta
be on there. Listen, let me. I got this. Listen
all right. So I got Jaylen Brown at Words for show.
And then I got.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
H h uh uh.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Booker. No, no, they're my guard's booker, not on there.
So I got the rant, the rant Brown that my
big is Anthony Davis, No Bronson.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
It's just like you.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
You know, it's no.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
How is it hate? You can't have a bow? Was it?
Speaker 1 (20:10):
So you're telling me? So you're telling me Jaylen Brown
Edwards can't be my guards.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
You can't tell me that Jalen Brunson doesn't.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
He don't make the cut.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
How he's carrying a whole organization. He's he's carrying New York,
the Celtis.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
Celtia's got two players that should be on first second team.
If you're beating the league by thirteen.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
Games, you got one guy over here.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
There's sixteen more wins than the Knicks. Okay, they got
to roster.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Who is on He's lost his.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Team.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
I mean, I'm just saying, you're picking a homer situation.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
Jayleen Brown was second team. I only be in last year.
That was last year. This is they better this year?
He they better this year. The team is better this year.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Let me see.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
Okay, give me.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Then he was gonna put Booker on over him.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
No, I was'na he said Bookery. So now my third
team is Durant. Oh I put Durrant on the Okay,
So now Booker Jaymeon Bronson. Uh okay, it's thirteen Booker
Jaymeon Bronson. Then I'm gonna throw some bonus on there.
I'm gonna give him some love. Curry.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
No, you can't do that. Why not you already said
Booker and Brunching.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
So now all right, well then I'm gonna go, Curry Booker, take.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
This Curry Booker, take this guy's vote. Curry Booker, Curry
get the night over, Brunching. Now, Curry Booker, did your
little Jaylen browns Field? Curry is in the last spot
in the play Booker with all these Hall of famers
so called, He's in the last spot, Curry Booker, He's not.
Does his numbers even match? Curry Booker, do you got
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the curries on bonus? Come on, man, Curry's not on
the team. Dude, snatch his ballot.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
No, come on now, I don't want to hear all
that Curry in the spot. Then, my, my, my, my,
Curry Booker Sabonis, thirteen, Curry Booker, Sabonis. Then I'm gonna go,
uh my other forwards. It's gonna be.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
Uh al Horford No, no, omar shape, said somebody Richard.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
No, no, no. Look so that my center thirteen. Uh alright, powlo.
We're gonna go polo, yeah, man, And then we're gonna
throw Kawhi on there. Who's taking off who he's taking
off my third team?
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Yeah, I'm taking Curry off the team. Crazy he's in
the playing.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Oh my god, Bro, I mean it's stiff competition.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
It's not stiff it is. It's not stiff. Didn't who?
What did he score against? Did he get?
Speaker 1 (22:56):
You won three more games? You're Jalen Brunson. They have
forty four wins and Curry. If Curry was a more
impressive season, if Golden State was forty one wins in
the in the least three conference, man, they gonna be
in a slot. What and the Knicks is in the fifth.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
They're missing their other all star. He's missed several games.
I don't know how many. Too many the name. This
guy's averaging twenty eight and six and.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
I got Chef Curry on my Brunston don't make the
cut this year.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Bro, it's hard out here. Man, you got this touch?
Speaker 1 (23:27):
I mean it's too It's a lot of guards that
they don't make the cut.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
Look Haliburn like Halliburn, Halliburns is not having the year
Brunton's having.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
What what are you talking about? He's destroying teams. Ain't
making it.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
It's the NBA.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
Jimmy Butler, ain't making it. Donovan Mitchell. I didn't even
say Donovan Mitchell. If anything, Donovan Mitchell is the one
getting snubbed over over Brunson.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
The numbers with with with man get out. This guy
right here is winning games. He's having a Denny score sixty.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
And I'm not knocking him. He's on fourteen.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
No, he's having a he's on fourteen him.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
I got fourth teams Brunson, Donovan Mitchell, Portzingis, Jimmy Butler
and Paul George. It's my fourth team. Okay, Brunson May fourteen?
All right, that sound that's fair runsing.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
You know we're gonna go ahead and get that jersey anyway,
what jersey that second round game?
Speaker 1 (24:32):
All right? Look, so if the Knicks get out the.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
First round against against the match, you're gonna.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
Wear a Brunson jersey to the game in New York.
So right now, currently they will have to play Orlando
in the first round.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Yeah, they'll win that.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
They're not winning without random. They don't have the forwards
to match up with Wagner and Polo bro Now they
can't match up. I like the Knicks tips he probably
gets an the consideration for Coach of the Year based
on what they did. And you know that's my man.
Everything this ain't and not. But I just think they
just who.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Is your most improved player this year?
Speaker 1 (25:11):
Most improved?
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Yeah, I'm not talking about all.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
Right, hold on, hold on, let me tell you my
most improved player. Uh, They're gonna be my boy from Chicago,
the point guard, Kobe White.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Like him.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
I like Kobe White a most improved player? Okay, I
mean I didn't know who he was until this year.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
Do they have They don't have comeback player of the Year.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
What you got? What are you thinking the most improved? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (25:39):
I like I like Kobe White. I like Kobe White.
I'm looking at I like.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
To give him some love. We're gonna start giving some
guy some love that needs some love out here. Oh man,
Tyre's Max. He ain't even getting no love on all
NBA teams. Damn No, and Halliburton, he no, Jimmy Butler, damn.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
Know these guys, these guys having held it down to
the level. That guys all right, as.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
It's gonna be some interesting first round matchups that I
really like. The Sixers is looking like the A seed
right now and they might have to see the Celtics.
But we all the Sixers, the Sixers with m B back.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
Who's Garden, Who's Garden? Emb? So who's starting? We're changing
up our lineup now.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
The Garden there, then our horfor gonna come here.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
So presings to the bench.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
What you're saying about what you're saying about in b
versus Celtics.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
You said you switched the lineup quick. I said, who's guard?
If you called a bench player out, No, we're starting
with these guys out here.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
If we playing the Sixers.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
So you're switching the lineup in the first round, we
might Wow, I've never seen that before. I have you
ever seen that NBA history? What the best team in
the league switches the lineup mysteriously in the first round?
Have you ever heard of that? Porzingis is our center.
He's calling him an All NBA player fourteen every team.
So we start the series and we put Pazingis on
the bench. It's a shock.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
We're gonna start both of them.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
We can start both we've played big who's coming off
the bench.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
They're white.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
Yeah, first, then we can do that. We can we
can do that versus sixers. Okay, uh, But I like
Porzingis matching up with him early and then bringing in Harper.
Actually I'm cool with that.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
But what it is showing you that this MB situation
has got you?
Speaker 1 (27:28):
Really don't We beat them every year? We beat them
every year.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
Well, let's see what we do this year. That president
and b went and played possum. He know that he
wears down the playoffs. What he did, he sat down
and be been working out with Chris Brinkley and New York.
He been healthy for a month. I'm just playing scaring me, man,
you steal you still him get scared? If be been
(27:53):
sitting back, laying out healthy, He's not breaking down in
that first round. They line up to get Boston out
of there early. They get that out of there early. Wow,
look at it coming out of the East. Just get
to the playoffs. Let's talk. I gotta see the lineups.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
Not coming out of East Milwaukee. Who ain't been giving
us nothing.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
But what happens is is a domino effect. Boston is
not losing a Domino effect, crazy Domino effect, Miami. We're
gonna see Philadelphia present present problems for Boston in that
first way.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
You know, all right, we're gonna get to the playoffs.
We got a few games left, y'all come back to
this next week. Talking about me, Nate and Eric was
talking about who is the top five ringless players all time?
And you can use past and present players as long
as they played at least ten years.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
Well, you gotta for me. I'm gonna start off with
Ai Okay and Barkley Barkley. Uh okay, I'm gonna try
to go about position.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
No, I'm gonna position. No, this ain't position. I'm gonna
do it this position. My list plays to me. It's
the top five Reggie Miller, No, he's not there, top
five players, the top five players to ever not win
a ring.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
Okay, so let me let me see you. It's my
power forward.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
Okay, Barkley, I'm.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
Going with the Ai Malone, going to do it for
it Miller and Ai.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
Miller and Ewing. Yeah, so all right, that's good. That's
show line. All right. So yeah, I got iverson top
five players ever, then I get one. I belong Barkley
James Harden, Westbrook. Okay, I mean these is all m
(29:56):
v ps. Yeah, these is all m v P these
are all two three. Fine you doing, but uh, all
time players, all top seventies.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
Think about hard.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
Harden is an all time player. He's been in the
top five MVP voting.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
Yeah, west Side, you gotta put him there somewhere along there.
So I'll take I take.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
Top five, these top five players.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
I'm gonna take. I'm gonna take out I'm gonna take
out Reggie and put Harden. I'm not Westbrook is Uh,
it's tough. I can't just put all of y'all right there.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
I mean, he's one of the greatest players to ever
played the game.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
Yes, true, but I never felt that he was in
The reason why my list is coming from I felt
these guys was in contention for championships. I never felt
I never felt I felt Westbrook had one chance to
win it and they just and this Klay Thompson killed it.
But I don't. I don't feel like these guys. Harden
went to the playoffs at the finals of the six.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
Man like Miller teams.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
Yeah, those Houston teams, they were contenders.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
So they felt Westbrook I felt like.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
Yeah, he wasn't really he was a great individual player.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
I like.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
I like the fact that the teams was fighting and battling,
like Iriston was fighting and battling. He got to Shaq
and Kobe and tried to do it and stole that
game that we was at. That was my first finals game.
We attended together that game.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
One game.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
Yeah, we went to that game. And and also I
look at like Reggie Miller getting through the Knicks, trying
to get there, battling with Jordan's and doing his thing.
But I will go with Harden because of his status.
Lgend Baylor's on my list over I'm gonna go ahead
(31:38):
and Baylor, this is my team. I got Elgin Baylor
over Malone. Gotta go.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
I know to the finals eight times.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
He was killer.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
He's the greatest player retired. They won it.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
It was him Baylor. Elgend Baylor's uh, he's my hero.
He really appreciated the way I played. But I will
give Elgin Baylor is the greatest. So I'm gonna give
this my list. Elgin I worked it out.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
Elgin Barkley, Uh alone, he's a contender. He's the criteria.
You said contending. What I'm putting Elgin in the spot now.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
Now, now my team is based on roster. I'm going
with roster.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
Now you're saying you said based on REGI Miller Heartache contend.
I'm putting he went to the finals.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
No, Malone is there. He missed the criteria, just like Isaiah.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
Who you got? Now finalize your list.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
I got my list finalized. I'm going by I'm going
Iverson Harden in my back court. I'm going real game.
I'm going Barkley, Baylor, Ewing, that's the that's the team.
You can have him. I'm going with Barkley.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
My loan is great, is rated greater than you all time.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
I'm the raider. I'm not listing to these people. She's thinking,
I'm here for all right, all right to take out
here for listening to these people. I'm telling you the
ratings Listen. Malone is an all time great. Let's not
knock him. You have to pick a team. You couldn't
have Malone. I'll take Barkley. There's no Stockton here.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
Ooh Stockton got oh we forgot about.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
Stock I did not. I went with Iverson, all.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
Right, second team, we gotta come with a second team.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
Okay, Now Stockton to Malone.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
Okay, Stocking, all right, second team, stocked him alone.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
I'm gonna go ahead and put uh. I'm gonna go
ahead since I got this team. I got Reggie there
over Westbrook again, okay, because I'm putting stock him Umber Westbrook,
all right, because he's been there, he balliedly went the
two finals. No, no, no, he's behind Westbrook. He's an
honorable mention all right. Uh Now, who's my who's my.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
Tracey McGrady in there?
Speaker 2 (33:45):
No?
Speaker 1 (33:47):
No, no, it never had a chance. Steve Nash. No,
I got stocked Steve Nash, and he was a contender.
Never was Phoenix.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
Popped off.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
It wasn't contenders. They wasn't contender.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
Didn't make it.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
Was they contenders?
Speaker 2 (34:08):
They didn't make it. They didn't do it.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
The favors versus h Who was it san Antonio? Yeah,
that was favored.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
I got Stockton, I get it, all right. I got Stockton,
John Stockton. Now I just need a center. Somebody I'm
missing from that center spot. I just need time. Let
me see, I need a center because we played the
game with centers.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
Yeah, it's somebody from now EMBD MBID that's a good one.
Ten years in the league, that's a good one. Yeah,
that's my list too, right there.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
I like that. I like that.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
Damn damn. What else we was talking about?
Speaker 3 (34:47):
Man?
Speaker 1 (34:47):
M vps?
Speaker 2 (34:48):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (34:49):
Man, you here what Gil said? How about Joker?
Speaker 2 (34:53):
Now? Hold on?
Speaker 1 (34:54):
Can we can we play that? Can we play that?
Oh my god? This is this is probably one of
the I know you boy, but this is one of
the worst takes you'd ever had. This is one of
his listens for the reason like, let's play that. Let's
play what Gil was talking about?
Speaker 3 (35:09):
Man, Now, I do understand when they say this about
Yo kic Yo kicch is probably, statistically, when it comes
to overall game the worst MVP winner, he's the worst
MVP winning the last forty years.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
I don't get what he said, doll, because we just
talking about Is he talking about the sixth seed being
the sixth seed? Statistically?
Speaker 2 (35:36):
What year is he talking about?
Speaker 1 (35:37):
For the first one? The first MVP that was in
what year? In twenty two? In UH.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
Twenty one, twenty one it was a third seed the
COVID shortened season.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
Wait, is that the year he won? Well, the first
MVP season he averaged twenty six and ten. Yeah, and
that's the year they were the third seed. Yeah, but
what happened was this facts is wrong, right because he
said sixth seed. He said sixth seed.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
But he can't get caught up.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
But I think this is going to the sixth seed.
Throw when they were six seed the.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
Next year, Yeah, the statistics went up.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
So what was his stats on the sixth seed year?
Speaker 2 (36:18):
They went up? What was it twenty seven and fourteen?
Speaker 1 (36:22):
So twenty seven and fourteen in eight Yeah, Now I
know some I mean if the criteria twenty seven first
or second place.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
But this dude right here, also he this is the
thing about him that he's not looking at. This guy
is shooting fifty eight percent. He's shooting thirty four from
three and eighty from the free throw line. As a center,
as a center, he got, he got, he's getting fourteen
rebounds and eight assists. His impact on the game, he's getting,
he's getting.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
What's his supporting cast? The year he won the first
one and then the second one.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
I mean year he won the first when he's shooting
almost forty percent, he was at one point he was
almost fifty forty ninety. Yeah, like he was fifty he
was fifty six thirty eight eight, which is thirty nine
percent in eighty eighty seven.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
I mean a lot of this got to do with
supporting cast. He averaged a triple double, which we never seen.
They were sixteed. He was historic.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
Yeah, but that's and he rolls, Yeah, that shows you how.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
I just don't agree with that, cause statistically those numbers
are outstanding twenty six, ten and eight then he went.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
To compared to fourteen.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
Steve Nash averaged about sixteen and eleven the year he
won it, but his team was one of the top teams.
So he go on. He combined in the records, Gil,
I love you, boy, but look, when you're gonna shoot
stuff like this, you gotta get your stats right. Because
the year Joker won, as you talk about, they were
third seed two, and so the numbers that you talking
(37:58):
about was a third seed team. The other number six
seed he averaged twenty eight to fourteen. So we need
you to clear this up, my boy, Like what you
you gotta you gotta go over this one again so
I can hear this again and like really understand what
you were saying. So that's all I want to say.
But I think he deserved both his MVPs. He's lined
up to probably get his third MVP again, which I
(38:21):
believe he will get. I mean leading them to another
first place. If they win first place, they gonna be
first star second. So finally, so what he's really saying
is this is the only year he meeting the criteria
because they gonna be first or second place, and his
numbers are still this is the same player.
Speaker 2 (38:36):
I don't want to hear about all his stats crunch stuff.
Right here, we were looking back at him, We're trying
to look at stats. He had major impact. That's why
he was given that. Yeah, this is not this is
not something that's highly debated. What's more debated was the
year he lost.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
He should have won it. Yeah, you know what, to
Gill's credit, the year he won his first one, Giannis
could have won two.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
Gianni's had just won two. Yeah, he could have won it,
just won two. This guy was doing something different in
terms of we talk about what Westbrook did, We talk
about the center position with shooting the three, passing the ball, rebounding,
still dominating. And also, let's not forget this guy's been
getting to steal a game, so he's we don't even
look for him for this. He's to get a stealer game.
Speaker 1 (39:20):
Is he the best player in the league. Yes, And
so he's been the best player in the league, in
the league for how long?
Speaker 2 (39:26):
No, him and Luca been him, Luca, this, this whole crew,
this whole crew has been holding it down. Him, Luca
and then b went healthy. Annis have been the top
clear guys in the league the last four or five years,
three to four years.
Speaker 1 (39:44):
This year.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
Yeah, I mean, it's a tough race for him right now.
You know, I think I think Shay he's kind of
faded a little bit. I think people not gonna ever
give Luca his credit. I hear all this talk how
he plays and this, that and the other. Luca is
dominating the sport of basketball, like.
Speaker 1 (40:04):
We're gonna go off of So Luca right now is
sixth seed. He's averaging thirty four, nine and nine. Now,
those numbers, I get it. Maybe Jill is thinking about
that now. If he was deserving of MVP that year,
why not Luca this year.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
Luca is deserving this year. But there's other candidates that
are also.
Speaker 1 (40:27):
There's always gonna be other candidates.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
No, but I'm saying what Jokis did that year. Statistically,
it was nobody else doing that ahead.
Speaker 1 (40:35):
If Westbrook didn't raise the bar with the triple doubles
are thirty ten and ten, I like Luca for and
Luca had this year, Luca would probably get in d
because you.
Speaker 2 (40:44):
Got to base the MVP based on how your team performed,
based on expectations. Yeah, because that's what you did.
Speaker 1 (40:51):
You raised Well what about what OKC Westbrook wind?
Speaker 2 (40:55):
Yeah, it was like you said, he was playing Fenmen.
Didn't have a team. Yeah, didn't have a team. Who
was on the team, like we don't even remember too many.
Speaker 1 (41:04):
Guys second player. Yeah, that's what I'm saying, Adams.
Speaker 2 (41:08):
The questionable m vps is the the shocking and uh Phoenix,
wait what it was another Kobe and Nash? Right?
Speaker 1 (41:17):
Who was saying Kobe should have got it the year
Nash got.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
It one of those And maybe I'm off, but that's
this is the question. Yeah Kobe Nash and then we
have another one. Let me think, I just was on
top of my brain. That was the question. Ron and
Rose No, no, no for me, No, Malone and.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
Jordan Jordan should have won that year for show.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
Yeah, he just come on now, start playing with it.
But Jazz, they got bored with the game. Jordan's out
here dominating.
Speaker 1 (41:41):
No malone one back to back MVP.
Speaker 2 (41:44):
No, then't he just took one of Jordan.
Speaker 1 (41:47):
He took one. He only won one MVP malone oh
in between, Jordan got that one. Yeah, and then they
gave it.
Speaker 2 (41:55):
They gave Jordan ninety seven. Jordan's came in there and
beat him in the championship. But Jordan deserved that one.
Speaker 1 (42:03):
Damn.
Speaker 2 (42:04):
You don't just give it away. Jordan didn't do nothing
to lose.
Speaker 1 (42:08):
Joran sposed to have like seven eight MVPs. Yeah, Jordan, Damn,
Jordan is.
Speaker 2 (42:13):
The best thing ever happened to the sport of basketball.
Everybody keeps trying to figure it out. That's why he
stays in there. We want to discredit his shoes, want
to discredit his shooting. He's one of the best shooters
of all time. All right.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
So look, the other day I did say, I said, look,
if Lebron win a chip this year, undisputed, goat what
you think about that this year as a team that's
in a normal year without the play would not make
the playoffs if he takes this. If he can't be
the goat.
Speaker 2 (42:41):
No, because why this is why, it's like he could.
His accolades will stand, he will be, he will be
on the heel, and he's gonna have so much things
to say about his career. He's all, he's gonna have
so much thing. But Jordan was another thing. He was
so far ahead shoulders. He was like the truest thing
(43:02):
we've had in sports, like Mayweather, Like when Mayweather said,
you could have bet on me, you'll be rich by now.
Jordan was the truest thing we ever received once he figured.
First of all, look at the elevation he elevated. He
stayed with that franchise. He rolled, he rolled, he wrote it.
They got some young pieces. Look at Scottie Pippen got
his train to start work. He lived at everybody.
Speaker 1 (43:25):
So like, damn, if you say Lebron brought a championship,
He's already brought a championship to three franchises, which I
don't know no other franchise player who's done that, not
a franchise player. Players then move around, ain't nobody Just
like as soon as he got.
Speaker 2 (43:40):
There, it's a new thing. It's a new day. These
guys like what Kobe did to get his five. He breathed,
He breathed life until this, Yes I do. I'm not
a numbers guy.
Speaker 1 (43:55):
Lebron not only can't be the gold, he can't be
over Kobe. So whether that put Kobe in the conversation.
Speaker 2 (44:01):
Because this is let me tell you, this is how
I don't do my goat on stats and all this.
I do my stuff on if we line up, If
we line up, who you taking?
Speaker 1 (44:11):
If I got Kobe have an argument for goat?
Speaker 2 (44:14):
No?
Speaker 1 (44:16):
But if Lebron can't be the goat, but you argue,
there's an argument for him to go But you have
Kobe over Lebron, why doesn't Kobe have an argument for goat?
Speaker 2 (44:29):
Kobe is the greatest copy cat artist of all time.
There's too many. This guy just literally stole this guy's
styles like I've never seen before. So this guy was
the Picasso. This was already a blueprint.
Speaker 1 (44:46):
So if you got somebody who paints the same picture and.
Speaker 2 (44:51):
Details, he's mcdials on coming to America. He's McDonald's a
billion serves, it's already working. Oh, let's do the mcdials.
Come on. Here is mcdill's Jordan's come on, dude, that's crazy,
(45:12):
old top and Jordan, if you wasn't there, then that's
like I understand you missed it, all right, So it's
nobody ever been more true to this game. You just
knew what night.
Speaker 1 (45:23):
There's nothing Lebron can do.
Speaker 2 (45:25):
No, man, you're great, though.
Speaker 1 (45:27):
There's nothing he can do. So that means you're basing
it on.
Speaker 2 (45:30):
What you can't catch thriller. I don't care about this
new technology, these new singers, all this new dance, and
you cannot catch Michael Jackson thriller. That's until I die.
Somebody gotta come up with a whole new thing. We
gotta start figuring something else out. Michael Jackson. You can't
catch that. Just that you just can't do what Jordan did.
Speaker 1 (45:50):
So he can't catch Jordan.
Speaker 2 (45:51):
No, he's a pro, he's a he benefits off Jordan's success, Jordan's.
Speaker 1 (45:56):
And you know, I'm a big critic of Lebron. Listen,
I just think, like beating the seventy three and nine
Warriors down three to one, greatest comeback in NBA Playoff
Championship history. That is a mountain that nobody has ever climbed.
(46:17):
If you win this year as a tenth ninth eighth seed.
That's never been done.
Speaker 2 (46:27):
Why shouldn't they win?
Speaker 1 (46:28):
They're doing that's never been But you do those things,
you're rewriting things just so now you're.
Speaker 2 (46:38):
But they got the best team, they're under achieved.
Speaker 1 (46:40):
They don't have the best team. They don't have the
best team. They don't they're the ninth seed right now.
Speaker 2 (46:48):
That's based on their perform. They're underperforming.
Speaker 1 (46:51):
So since they're underperforming and they build all these bad
habits during the regular season, all of a sudden, they
flip the switch in the playoffs and they make a
run to the finals and they win it. This will
not be the greatest sports feat ever.
Speaker 2 (47:04):
No, it's not even greater than when Tom Brady went
to Tampa Bay. They it's not.
Speaker 1 (47:10):
Why not because they were somewhat favorite Tom Brady. The odds,
what's the odds? Can you pull up the odds of
the Lakers winning the championship right now? Can we just
hear the odds basketball? And then we can go to
the Brady odds on them Tampa Bay. And I guarantee
you that the odds were greater for Brady to win
than it is for the Lakes to win this year.
Speaker 2 (47:30):
I guarantee that I'm not I'm not. I'm not saying
it's not.
Speaker 1 (47:36):
What's so, what's the best? That's the how many how many?
What are they ranked as far as odds in front
of the other they have?
Speaker 2 (47:45):
But look at what that But look at but look
at that. They're they're in a nine spot and they
got the tenth odds. That's because of Lebron. Look, let's
not We're not here to knock Lebron. Lebron is one
of the all time greatest players of all time. Saying
that he's not Jordan is not knocking him.
Speaker 1 (48:00):
That's not I'm just saying this is I feel like
I feel like he can't reach Jordan's But if he
did this, this is like, if this is this is
repeated twice Jordans, I mean he did.
Speaker 2 (48:14):
That that you gotta do something. He threepeated twice, He
won three in a row, which hadn't been done since
the Celtics. Then he came back, he's you know.
Speaker 1 (48:22):
What, So Jordan did something that nobody did in a
long time than Kobe one three in a row.
Speaker 2 (48:30):
He did it twice. Jordan did it twice.
Speaker 1 (48:33):
He came back just trying to make the argument for Lebron.
Right now, you know I'm playing Devil's advocate, but I'm
just saying.
Speaker 2 (48:38):
I'm just saying I was there and Jordan was too high,
so so so, not only he hasn't been dominant because
of the talent that Lebron.
Speaker 1 (48:47):
Is gonna be. He's gonna set a record in a
bar so high and scoring that nobody's ever gonna catch this.
Speaker 2 (48:53):
That's why he's buried in koreem all right.
Speaker 1 (48:56):
So he's sending so many bars he's gonna have possibly
if they win again in LA, they're gonna have to
put a statue in Miami, a statue in Cleveland, and
a statue in La. Yeah, and we never heard of that.
Speaker 2 (49:11):
Well, Jordans he went to the Withers as an owner.
Then he was over there them guys playing around. He's like, look, man,
y'all weak, I'm about to hope. He wasn't supposed to play,
so that's not really and he still went out there
and showed him. But let me show y'all how to
play this game. He is a Chicago bull guy. It's
a different time. This is not to knock Bron his
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path and none of that. Jordan's you can't compare that
thing like Kobe. He's a one franchise guy. Duncan, he's
a one franchise guys. They didn't they didn't seek to
do that. They saw where they were, they put their
foot down. They won, they lost where they.
Speaker 1 (49:45):
Were where you ran Lebron all time.
Speaker 2 (49:47):
I got him third. So Jordan, yeah, I got Jordan
me watching the game. I got Jordan, Kobe Lebron.
Speaker 1 (49:55):
Okay, so round out your five.
Speaker 2 (49:58):
It gets murky. After that, I'm gonna start guessing.
Speaker 1 (50:01):
Kareem magic magic.
Speaker 2 (50:04):
It will be for me. Okay, I want to go magic.
And then everybody want to keep Why do we keep
knocking will?
Speaker 1 (50:12):
I mean because he only won two titles.
Speaker 2 (50:14):
Well, the Celtics was the NBA All Star Team.
Speaker 1 (50:17):
I want two titles going against the All Star team
only had like because the Celtics was better.
Speaker 2 (50:23):
The Cellis won all of them that he did. They
had ten teams, but the Celtics won the ones he didn't.
He was dominating, destroying the league. He averaged fifty and
twenty three. I don't care if he's playing four teams.
I gotta play this game. He's the most dominant ever.
He's fifty and twenty three stats. Now, no, I'm going
fifty and twenty three. That's not stats. This is dominance.
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We never heard that. They don't even I never seen nobody.
What's your average iverage fifty and twenty three? He never
heard nothing, Like we don't believe he's so killing.
Speaker 1 (50:58):
We don't believe it.
Speaker 2 (50:59):
But that's what don't get.
Speaker 1 (51:00):
No love too much.
Speaker 2 (51:03):
Where's the footage?
Speaker 1 (51:03):
Nobody's ever gonna do that?
Speaker 2 (51:05):
Come on, like he's just another whole level of like
I'm better than everybody out here playing. He's just another level. Yes,
he's the best, he's the best athletes he's out there.
Speaker 1 (51:16):
Come on, man, so he five?
Speaker 2 (51:18):
Damn, I don't know, but I got magic in there,
and I got I'm just saying.
Speaker 1 (51:22):
Will do magic and will I got Will over everybody.
So now you don't got Lebron in the top five.
Speaker 2 (51:28):
I got Lebron number three?
Speaker 1 (51:30):
Oh you said three? Okay, okay, Jordan, Yeah, who who?
Speaker 2 (51:39):
So look, let's talk about this. When you go to
the top seventy five, Kobe, you at the top seventy five,
who is who is the who is the guy.
Speaker 1 (51:47):
In the NBA top seventy five?
Speaker 2 (51:50):
You had to set top seventy five.
Speaker 1 (51:52):
Who is the guy what you mean in the in
the room. Yes, I feel like everybody like gravitated toward Magic.
Speaker 2 (52:02):
No, Magic is the most charisma guy.
Speaker 1 (52:04):
But but Jordan' even he just he didn't he didn't
come in the room. He just exactly no, he didn't
show up until they announced when we was all so
they're like, we had a photo, we had a room
where we was all hanging out kind of mixing, and
then they started calling us out one by one and
I didn't know Jordan was there, and then all of
a sudden, Jordan he walked out, like, yeah, Jordan's showed
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up late.
Speaker 2 (52:27):
He's the only one they talked about. When they see him,
it's like you're seeing like, no.
Speaker 1 (52:30):
I ain't gonna lie now, I ain't gonna lie. I
ain't gonna lie. Don't look Jordan. It's only like a
few people in my lifetime that I like was star struck.
I mean I didn't, man, jay Z, I didn't have
been in the same room with Beyonce. I didn't. Jordan
was the only one like that had like, like you
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looking at Jordan, you tried out to look like features
like you try to like I was like when those are.
Speaker 2 (52:59):
The All Star Game.
Speaker 1 (53:00):
I played an All Star game with him. He sitting
seeing you tie his shoes and you walk in the
locker room. He just kind of like want to follow
Jordan Rail. You know what I'm saying, A magnetical.
Speaker 2 (53:12):
Like the greatest of all time this because it it
just you had to be there. If he wasn't there,
Now you're looking at stuff you're trying.
Speaker 1 (53:19):
To compare on numbers different. Yeah, he was too.
Speaker 2 (53:23):
Dominant, he was too much.
Speaker 1 (53:25):
He was too true.
Speaker 2 (53:26):
He was always going to give you what you wanted.
He always showed up. He played you know, I remember
sitting in the cheap seats versus Clippers and he got
that one dunk at the end of the game. It's
like he's gonna do it. I mean, he was always
he was always getting thirty. He knew what it was.
I gotta entertain these people. Yeah, and then Kobe took
that blueprint and just fouled it. Oh this is what
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the greatest just follows this, right, and then he just
he mimicked. We had all these people trying to be
like Jordan's He's the guy that was able to do it.
You know what I'm saying so, So that's why I
give him the now and plus he had that mean
he can't.
Speaker 1 (54:02):
So Lebron can't catch Jeordan.
Speaker 2 (54:04):
To you, he didn't have the he didn't have it
like the way these guys. Look, I don't want to
sit if here knocked an.
Speaker 1 (54:12):
I'm just saying, you don't think he should catch at all.
It's nothing he can do.
Speaker 2 (54:17):
No, you cannot catch Thriller.
Speaker 1 (54:20):
All right, there we go.
Speaker 2 (54:21):
You can't catch Thriller. That's it. Michael Jackson is not
to be in his own Class's the king of pop.
So is the king of basketball.
Speaker 1 (54:30):
So period twenty All Stars, All Stars, got twenty twenty
All Stars, forty thousand points.
Speaker 2 (54:37):
He's the numbers king.
Speaker 1 (54:40):
So it's all about the championships, you know.
Speaker 2 (54:43):
It's all about the or and the impact and the
dominance which championships come out of that. Lebron got his
fair share championships. I don't knock Lebron for losing. I mean,
he's got his fair share, He's got his chips, and
the only way you can get there, to win him
is to get there, and he was constantly there, so
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you cannot. I don't. I'm not wanting to knock him
for those chips. I'm applaud him for getting there and
losing them chips because he was getting there and he
was taking teams there. But I'm just saying, if I
had to pick, if it's if I gotta go at it.
Speaker 1 (55:16):
At the top, he saying, these guys, give me Jordan's
Jordan's on call at the All Star Game. Look at halftime,
he was hitting the cigar. I'm thinking, like, damn, he's
smoking his car at halftime, Like, is he going out
to the second half. Then he goes out to second half,
hits the game winner. I think he's done for the night.
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He in the back of a baller shot hitting the
cigar halftime with the jersey still only just in the
back cigar, like like, man Geordan must be done for today.
Then he goes out, it's the game fade away in
the baseline.
Speaker 2 (55:50):
He's chilling.
Speaker 1 (55:51):
So I was like, this star, that was crazy. That
was crazy. Man. I got Chancey just got nominated this
Carter and Chauncey just got nominated to the Hall of
Fame this year. Shout out to y'all, Vince, my guy Chauncey.
And so this goes back to the claim that I
made that class of ninety five. McDonald's class is the
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greatest Mickey D's class of all time. So far, we
got me and KG and the Hall of Fame. Now
we're about to get two more. I'm trying to think
of any other McDonald's class that's gonna have four Hall
of famers. Mickey D's class four Hall of famers. So
whoever McDonald's class out there got an argument it is
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on this, please share it, because I don't remember the
last time four Hall of famers came from one McDonald's class.
So shout out to VC Vince Carter, the greatest dunker
to ever live, Smooth, Chauncey Billups, that's my guy, been
playing against him since high school. College. And then the
pros shout out to y'all man, you I represent the
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class of ninety five. You love y'all man, congrab you
know what.
Speaker 2 (57:01):
I just remember the first time I ever saw Chauncey
that's my first memory. I saw him Cayle State Dominga's
high school, I mean Hills College.
Speaker 1 (57:10):
Oh, when we went to camp. We went to camp.
We went to the Pump Brothers.
Speaker 2 (57:13):
We went to that camp first, and he was shooting
threes from way out I had, we had, I hadn't
seen nobody. Yeah, we did. We played against him. He
was on the same team with God Lead at the time. Okay,
Doug was this camp, No, this was Inglewood. This is
our squad, but this is a pump shootout. But we
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just brought our team. We brought our team. We played
as our high school team against God leaving them team
and they brought Chauncey Billups out right, and he was
a guy like he was. You could see that he
was a pro. He was the first guy that I
saw that I played against from anything from l a
that he had that she was like, oh, he's a
he's a pro because and he wasn't no size, It
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wasn't it wasn't no like wow, it was just his
way he played, approach the game, and you gotta look
at his story. He had to find his way and
learn his position.
Speaker 1 (58:05):
Always was a point guard dog, Oh he was.
Speaker 2 (58:08):
But the NBA game and he had got moved around
because you need opportunity though.
Speaker 1 (58:12):
No, but when he came into the league, the league
was still geared toward traditional point guards. Where he fit
in the game today because he was a scoring, shooting
point guard.
Speaker 2 (58:22):
Yeah, you know.
Speaker 1 (58:22):
So my story with Chauncey like yeah, meeting him in
high school and then we went to college. He went
to Colorado, I went to Kansas, and obviously we matched
up a lot, like as far as our teams, I
didn't really guard him a lot, but I remember we
both won Coke Freshman's of the Year. And then I
remember it's talking to Chancey. I was like, man, look,
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we're gonna go to the league together. So you know
when it's that time, you know, made me know. So
this is freshman year. So second year, Chauncey took a leap.
I'm talking about a huge leap. You know. I was.
I was preseason all of me American. But Chauncey, man,
I'm telling you, dog, he took a leaf so cold.
I was just like whoa. I mean, he was dominant, right.
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So Chauncey was like, I'm going to the league, and
I was like, damn, I'm not ready. I'm not ready.
I mean I could have went, but Chauncey was more
than ready. He got stronger, he was poised, he can
You couldn't stop him from scoring. You have the damn
near trap him and he just took off, and Uh,
I was like, I need one more year. I thought
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I was gonna be ready, but I just wasn't as
physically a mentally ready as he was. And then my
VNS story is, Man, I knew I shouldn't have entered
that at McDonald's dune contest man with Vince Carner. Dog,
I knew I should have. I don't know what I
was thinking. Oh no, what I was thinking, Dog, Vince
embarrassed me. I'm out there looking weak through the dead contest.
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I'm missing dugs. Man, that's all the Internet people be
looking at bringing that back up. I'm out there missing dugs,
can't catch the live. So Man evinced I knew he
was always gonna be great. And so Man just again
shout out to them my boys, Congratulations, hall of fame,
and don't get no better than that, fellas. Welcome to
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Welcome to the Truth Lounges today as usual, you got
your boy truth, jay Crow, we're gonna talk about a
couple teams out east. We're gonna talk about Caitlyn Clark.
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She's killing it. But before we even get into the show,
I got a couple things I want to clear up,
and particularly I said some things on Undisputed the other
day that came out probably the wrong way, maybe offended
some people when I mentioned Kaitlyn Clark and the LSU Tigers.
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Now you got a predominantly white squad versus a predominantly
black team LSU Tiger who came off as villains nowhere
come from when we hoop And then you gotta look
at this. The game of basketball is predominantly black. So
when you have a white player comes in and kills.
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For example, I looked at white man can't jump like
the movie when Billy Doyle came in there, came in
the hood killed. You know, initially he was looked at like,
oh he can't, he can't with the brothers in the hood. No,
we're gonna go up at go at him. Once he
started killing, he earned that respect. Now I've always respected
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Caitlin Clark, but when I seen her do it against
a more athletic team team that's what's considered the villains
defending champs. I was like, all right, if she ball
out verse them and get the dub, my hat's off
to her. Not that it wasn't before, but it was
like another respect You get another respect level as a
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white player in a predominantly black sport when you go
out there and play that way and you have an
historic game. So this wasn't a knock on the white
players and black players doing that. This was just in
general when we look at it my perspective of you know,
and it maybe came out the wrong way and it
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probably didn't explain it the right way, but that's it.
You know that, Like if you have Rogers Park and
some young white kid come in there, just off the top,
you're like, oh no, we're about to go at him,
just initially, well.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
We know, I know what you're going off the game
when he's like you said, it's a predominantly lee black sport,
especially here in America, right, especially here in America. Then
at the guard position, when you look at the guard position.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
And then when you're the best player in a predominantly
black sport, as a white player, you're the best player
in the whole college, in all the college you're the
best player. That's like, whoa, I'm looking at that at
a whole other level.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
But then you gotta look at.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
But it's been done in the girls game. It's been
done in the girls game numerous time.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Look, that's the leading scorer all time for men's and
it's a white player. It's all time leading scorer for girls.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
Yeah, but like it's gonna be hats off. Like when J. J.
Reddick was in college killing everybody or or.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Nah, but he was killing in a different way she was.
She was killing in a way like more of like
a Steph Curry, Kyrie Irvans. She was getting her buckets,
she was hitting miraculous shots, she was creating space. That's
not J. J. Reddi's game. J. J. Reddick was playing
in a way J he was playing like Hoosiers. That's
the way we He's playing like Steve Alford. Come on
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to steal this step. We we own this topic.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
What's my boy from Gozaga?
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Adam Morrison.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Adam Morris, I was like, oh, you know, respect, It
was not just a different when you're the best player.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
He was not the best player.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
He was the best player in college.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
That was who was not that. It wasn't him.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
He was the number pick?
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Was he?
Speaker 1 (05:10):
They blew it? Come on, so much respect, you know,
all love with Kaitlin Clark doing. I love how she's
growing the girls game and now it's got me watching. Uh,
you know, it'll be one of the greatest stories if
he goes on and wins the national championship. So I
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just wanted to clear that up. It wasn't no knock
on her or nothing. She's cold. You know, we even
talked about she can't she get a bucket in the
Big Three. She showed, she show she's so cold, So
you know, knock all that stuff off, y'all. Know what
I'm saying. This ain't got nothing to do about black thing,
white thing, but in the in the sport where black
players are predominantly dominant, it's it's another level of respect
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in that case. So Caitlyn, good luck, Yukon, good luck
South Carolina, good luck and she stayed good luck. And
I'm just hoping for a great Final four. And you know,
the girls game, y'all doing it. I appreciate y'all. I'm
gonna be tuning in, so you know that's that And
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I'm ready to move on from it. You know, let's
talk some NBA hoops. A couple of teams that come
to mind, the Knicks. I'm really feeling good about the
Knicks that they won't make it out the first round.
I'm saying. Julius Rando announced. They announced Julius Rando, a
key pieston and an All Star that's gonna have season
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ending so shoulder surgery. And I just think that's like
when you when you have a player of that caliber
that's in your mix going into the playoffs, that can
be emotionally draining, Like I know we were. We were
emotionally drained when we found out KG wasn't gonna play
in the playoffs in two thousand and and non because
he got hurt during the year and then it kind
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of got prolonged during the season and we're like, all right,
you know, we get through the regular season, maybe he
come out for the playoffs. So when we got the
news he was was gonna play, it just kind of
emotionally drained us.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
I don't think that's the case with this because I
think that these young guys want the opportunity. I think
they've already seen it put in their mind. I think
a greater problem for the Knicks right now is that
you're gonna have other teams in that sixth spot potentially
that are damaging and dangerous to them if they make
it in the fourth spot, like the Heat teams like this. Now,
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if it's a Knicks magic first round, then.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Oh, speaking of the magic, we got to talk. You know,
who don't get enough credit?
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Dog?
Speaker 1 (07:41):
You know who don't get who ain't getting no credit?
Paolo ben Cherrow.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Yeah he's not on the national TV bro.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
He made the All Star team in his second year.
I look up in Orlando's in the fourth slot. Who
pagged Orlando after the season they had last year as
a top four seed possibly going to sew up a
first round home court advantage in the first round. Nobody
saw that coming. And I don't hear nobody nationally talking
about Polo, So you know, I was calling them Pablo power,
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this Escobar, Hey, I know your name now your.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Name Carol but Ben Carrol West Coast. But the thing
about this, this is what look this playoffs right here
is going to be an exciting time. What I'm saying
about the NBA, the NBA and season tournament was great,
I see why I was done. Now the Final four
and all that's wrapping up. Now we're getting ready for
the NBA playoffs. And this year you have all these
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new teams who are built for the regular season. Now
we have to see if they're gonna do something in
the playoffs because you got a lot of young players.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
You didn't have Orlando right now where they.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Are, but their roster is built for the regular season.
Got a lot of young players who are contributing consistently.
It's not just he's the guy that's not taking nothing
from him.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Nobody talking about you got the wagon. They talking about
him because they.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Don't come on that he's in that.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
Next group of young superstars that need to be talked about.
He in the same sentence as Shae Anthony Edwards.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Uh No, no, No, he's not in that sentence. He's
in the next sentence Zion. No, what you mean was Zion? Okay,
I'll give you that. He's in that sentence. He's not
in that sentence with He's not an m VP candidate
Edwards and share m v P candidates. He's not in
that sentence. He's doing well.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Now, I mean, I'm saying I didn't say MVP in
the next Rise of Superstars.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Those guys have arrived.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
They just got they gotta get.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
He's not on the plane yet.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
He's on the plane. He's not in the back of
the plane. He's not in first class. He ain't coach,
he ain't coach. He's not on the same plane. This
is not that type of.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Plane and only all that room for economy and class
and coach. No, this is a class.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
No, no, no, this is the jet Blue first class
jet Blue out Yet he oh, he on the plane. No,
he an all star, fourth seeds, different room. We know
that he on the plane. He's just not in the
first class yet.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
No. Yeah, you're on the plane with Zion right now,
with these guys that got their team in first second,
competing for the first for the number one.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Overall Jason in the West. Look, the first class is
filled up. Jason Tatum, Zion, Anthony Edwards, Zion, Zion Wilson
in there next class of Superstars.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
So you're putting him in the same boat with Jason Tatum.
He ain't even done nothing in the playoffs. How does
he get you ready to just give you?
Speaker 1 (10:37):
Paolo sitting next to Zion that's what.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Okay, there's no coach on this plane getting these people
away from me. There is no Yes, so it's a
different plane. This plane don't have zion on.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Anybody can't say first class.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
I don't care about I need space. I don't need people.
If nobody sitting next to that. What I'm telling you
this is playing with Jason Tatum. Is jo kic mb
to still room when he get healthy. We're gonna hold
his seat, all right, hold his seat. We got Asthny Edwards,
we got Shy, we got Luca.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
Our six seats. Okay, who's still in there? Who else?
That's enough to put Kevin Durant, Steph Curry d it's
ten seats in first class.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
Alright, give those guys those seats class.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Now, these other casts.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
On the same plane with Lebron. This ain't this. Ain't that.
You can't ride with him, brother that way you talking
about you know better than that. Come on, no, no,
you're not get on the plane with Lebron with with
with these guys. Polo right now, he's come on, man,
win some playoff games. I'm saying something. All right, The
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coach don't exist on this plane.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
Polo needs to be going to the Olympics, Yes.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Or no, you get on that plane. Well different plane.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Well, Lebron's gonna be on that plane.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Ain't gonna be on his own plane. And he's the
one that we gotta worry about because he's the cover
that he had those type of style.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
He gonna be on the planes of Paris. Lebron's gonna
be on the plane. Step is gonna be on the
Polos on the plane.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
What we're gonna call this team? We already had the
redeem team. We had the Redeem team that we coming.
What is this team?
Speaker 1 (12:19):
This is gonna be the because.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
We gotta do something, we need to make something up.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
We will this is We're gonna keep going. We got
going off, didn't he?
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Dylan Bruys was out there yelling with the World Games.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Yes, we adn't worry about no World Games. We didn't
worry about that. We took our c team out there.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
What about the one he was on? What team was
that one.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
World World team? How you got nothing sac about that?
We were the first team to lose.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
So we don't care about the World Games.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
We stopped caring about the World Games. Obviously, the main
that the heavy hitters didn't go the top dogs. Was
just chilling they didn't go. We don't care about the
World Game. We just cared enough to qualify and then
we'll see y'all at the big stage. We ain't tripping
off of that now. We don't care about the World
Games no more. We know teams is gonna stack their
World Game teams up and be ready. Just be ready
(13:10):
for us in the Olympics then. So, I mean, it
is what it is. But Polo's on the USA train.
So if y'all watching Polo, I need you on that team.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
We need him on that team. You need to be
on that team. He's having a great year. Team. But
that's what I'm saying. The playoffs are exciting because we
have so many so much fresh blood that it gives
a lot of storylines. These guys are gonna have a
chance to really establish themselves. We know what it is
players are established in the playoffs. Going against a team
winning four games out of seven, now that you have
(13:40):
to in that first round, it sets you apart. That's
why we love Donovan Mitchell to this day because he's
done that. Now he has to come. Is he going
to get through? He hasn't been able to do it
in the East. You know, he hasn't been able to
get that win.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
We coming to the end of the year. All right, look,
who y'all all NBA first and second team? First and
second team. Were a few games left in the season.
It's time for these NBA all NBA teams to come out.
Who you got on first second team?
Speaker 2 (14:11):
And what we gotta remember is who you got on
first second. No, I'm just saying, it's not positionless. It's
not positionless, all right, So who you got? You have
to name the players. So my center is Jokich. Okay,
my guards are gonna be and Luca. All right, So
we made Anthony is a small forward, Anthony Edwards, he's.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
Off, I said, Jannis and Anthony Everts. That's what you're
going with.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
It was a guard?
Speaker 1 (14:37):
Oh he off.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
He's gotta be unless we're just gonna change it up.
What is he listed as? We're gonna change the listing
in the in the media?
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Guy, I mean, all right, well, who, Well, he's not
over Luca and he's not over shape.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
No, no, no, no, no mind. So we got Tatum right there.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
Tatum, that's your second team. That's my second team, Edwards
first and forewar guard.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Uh who your big man, Anthony Davis.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
My big man will be Anthony Davis. Give it up.
He played the sixty five games. That's that. That that's Bron. No,
any Davis not a center, and we're putting him at
four forward?
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Whatever? What is he then? Wow?
Speaker 2 (15:15):
If he if he's not a center, hold up, you
know what I'm changing it. I'm changing it up. I'm
putting Davis as a forward. I'm putting win Ben YadA
because I don't even think.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
That second team. Who else at the center?
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Yeah, and b is not going to qualify?
Speaker 1 (15:28):
No, he ain't getting on there. Not second team.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Now, okay, tell me who your center is. Tell me
Davis is the singer. He's a forward. You know, Anthony
Davis got a phobia about that.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
He's list of that center.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
The bonus. All right, let's go Anthony.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
Davis, Anthony Davis. Sorry, Anthony Davis. Edwards, Lebron, Lebron isn't
playing enough games?
Speaker 2 (15:49):
Did he? He got sixty five games?
Speaker 1 (15:52):
Yeah, Lebron got enough games.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
I don't know. I'm telling you, okay, well oh yeah Lebron. Yeah, okay, No,
who's the guard though, who's that guard? Jalen Brunson, Jalen Brunson,
Jalen Brunson, Jalen Brunson.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Oh my god, he's throwing a wrench in these teams.
So no Booker, no Durant.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
Nah, not over Jayalen Brunton this year Durant got action though,
But I gotta make sure. What about Paulo? Where is
he at on this?
Speaker 1 (16:22):
I'm gonna asking. So no Booker, no Durant on first
or second team?
Speaker 2 (16:25):
Let me see it. No Curry, No, no Curry crazy,
no curse crazy, no chef. No Curry this year?
Speaker 1 (16:32):
Bronson, Yeah, let me see that. Damn Currie nah Man.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
Great year for Kyrie, but uh no.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
So lebron A d Anthony Atwards.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
Do we go Kawhi?
Speaker 1 (16:49):
So you're gonn Kawhi?
Speaker 2 (16:51):
I'm gonna. I'm gonna go Kawhi over Durant, I will.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
Damn So let me get this straight. You ain't got
no Curry, no Booker, no Durrant on a certain versus
second team though, No, no Durant, no no uh who
else is out there? You got Jayleen, no Jylen Brown,
uh who had? No Jimmy Butler, no Bam out of Bio. No, damn.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
So the third team gets muscled. That team is a
hard team to make. Oh my god, third team is hard,
I think.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
No, Kyrie Nah so ooh that's crucial. Ooh that's crucial.
No Curry on first our second team.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
It's not really crucial. He's been doing this thing. Give
him credit. But you got the other Mitchell Mitchell, No,
not over, not over these guys because you got Anthony Edwards.
I got Anthony Edwards on my second team, so that
everything's pushed back. Jalen Brun saying, you talked about the
injuries to two starters and they're they're not even sniffing
the play in. So he's on my team and and
(18:00):
it's just a hard team to make this year, first
and second team. That's no knock to nobody. You got
d Aaron Fox averaging twenty six points a game. We're
not even mentioned to him. He's not a bonus. Yeah,
he's leading the league in probably. Yeah, he's having an
amazing year and Fox is they're both having What.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
You gotta do to get them The NBA gotta, they
gotta raise, they gotta put more players on the team. Though,
they gotta they need to put eight players on first team,
second team thirteen.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
Stop watering and stuff down.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
No, it ain't watered down.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Make it hard. It's not even. It's always been hard.
So now we gotta go eight. Only five can play. Man,
Come on, stop messing with the basketball, damn. But somebody
gotta come off the bench. Somebody gotta clap. It is
what it is? What are yours?
Speaker 1 (18:47):
What am I? What?
Speaker 2 (18:48):
You're top? Your first and second team?
Speaker 1 (18:51):
My first team like Luca Tatum, Joker, Johannis Shack.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
The same as mine. All right. They have our second
team tomatoes Alvocado.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
Our second team different. My second team is.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
All right, let's get into that. Don't be different for
the sake of being different. Man, Just get the this
is real. I got Jaylen Brown over who.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
You asked me?
Speaker 2 (19:24):
Right? What position I'm saying, I'm waiting her guard.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Okay, I got Jaylen Brown best record by a mile
in the league. He gotta get on it. He gotta
be on there. Listen, let me. I got this. Listen
all right. So I got Jaylen Brown at Words for show.
And then I got.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
H h uh uh.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Booker. No, no, they're my guard's booker, not on there.
So I got the rant, the rant Brown that my
big is Anthony Davis, No Bronson.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
It's just like you.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
You know, it's no.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
How is it hate? You can't have a bow? Was it?
Speaker 1 (20:10):
So you're telling me? So you're telling me Jaylen Brown
Edwards can't be my guards.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
You can't tell me that Jalen Brunson doesn't.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
He don't make the cut.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
How he's carrying a whole organization. He's he's carrying New York,
the Celtis.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
Celtia's got two players that should be on first second team.
If you're beating the league by thirteen.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
Games, you got one guy over here.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
There's sixteen more wins than the Knicks. Okay, they got
to roster.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Who is on He's lost his.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Team.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
I mean, I'm just saying, you're picking a homer situation.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
Jayleen Brown was second team. I only be in last year.
That was last year. This is they better this year?
He they better this year. The team is better this year.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Let me see.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
Okay, give me.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Then he was gonna put Booker on over him.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
No, I was'na he said Bookery. So now my third
team is Durant. Oh I put Durrant on the Okay,
So now Booker Jaymeon Bronson. Uh okay, it's thirteen Booker
Jaymeon Bronson. Then I'm gonna throw some bonus on there.
I'm gonna give him some love. Curry.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
No, you can't do that. Why not you already said
Booker and Brunching.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
So now all right, well then I'm gonna go, Curry Booker, take.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
This Curry Booker, take this guy's vote. Curry Booker, Curry
get the night over, Brunching. Now, Curry Booker, did your
little Jaylen browns Field? Curry is in the last spot
in the play Booker with all these Hall of famers
so called, He's in the last spot, Curry Booker, He's not.
Does his numbers even match? Curry Booker, do you got
(21:51):
the curries on bonus? Come on, man, Curry's not on
the team. Dude, snatch his ballot.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
No, come on now, I don't want to hear all
that Curry in the spot. Then, my, my, my, my,
Curry Booker Sabonis, thirteen, Curry Booker, Sabonis. Then I'm gonna go,
uh my other forwards. It's gonna be.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
Uh al Horford No, no, omar shape, said somebody Richard.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
No, no, no. Look so that my center thirteen. Uh alright, powlo.
We're gonna go polo, yeah, man, And then we're gonna
throw Kawhi on there. Who's taking off who he's taking
off my third team?
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Yeah, I'm taking Curry off the team. Crazy he's in
the playing.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Oh my god, Bro, I mean it's stiff competition.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
It's not stiff it is. It's not stiff. Didn't who?
What did he score against? Did he get?
Speaker 1 (22:56):
You won three more games? You're Jalen Brunson. They have
forty four wins and Curry. If Curry was a more
impressive season, if Golden State was forty one wins in
the in the least three conference, man, they gonna be
in a slot. What and the Knicks is in the fifth.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
They're missing their other all star. He's missed several games.
I don't know how many. Too many the name. This
guy's averaging twenty eight and six and.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
I got Chef Curry on my Brunston don't make the
cut this year.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Bro, it's hard out here. Man, you got this touch?
Speaker 1 (23:27):
I mean it's too It's a lot of guards that
they don't make the cut.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
Look Haliburn like Halliburn, Halliburns is not having the year
Brunton's having.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
What what are you talking about? He's destroying teams. Ain't
making it.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
It's the NBA.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
Jimmy Butler, ain't making it. Donovan Mitchell. I didn't even
say Donovan Mitchell. If anything, Donovan Mitchell is the one
getting snubbed over over Brunson.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
The numbers with with with man get out. This guy
right here is winning games. He's having a Denny score sixty.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
And I'm not knocking him. He's on fourteen.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
No, he's having a he's on fourteen him.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
I got fourth teams Brunson, Donovan Mitchell, Portzingis, Jimmy Butler
and Paul George. It's my fourth team. Okay, Brunson May fourteen?
All right, that sound that's fair runsing.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
You know we're gonna go ahead and get that jersey anyway,
what jersey that second round game?
Speaker 1 (24:32):
All right? Look, so if the Knicks get out the.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
First round against against the match, you're gonna.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
Wear a Brunson jersey to the game in New York.
So right now, currently they will have to play Orlando
in the first round.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Yeah, they'll win that.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
They're not winning without random. They don't have the forwards
to match up with Wagner and Polo bro Now they
can't match up. I like the Knicks tips he probably
gets an the consideration for Coach of the Year based
on what they did. And you know that's my man.
Everything this ain't and not. But I just think they
just who.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Is your most improved player this year?
Speaker 1 (25:11):
Most improved?
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Yeah, I'm not talking about all.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
Right, hold on, hold on, let me tell you my
most improved player. Uh, They're gonna be my boy from Chicago,
the point guard, Kobe White.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Like him.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
I like Kobe White a most improved player? Okay, I
mean I didn't know who he was until this year.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
Do they have They don't have comeback player of the Year.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
What you got? What are you thinking the most improved? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (25:39):
I like I like Kobe White. I like Kobe White.
I'm looking at I like.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
To give him some love. We're gonna start giving some
guy some love that needs some love out here. Oh man,
Tyre's Max. He ain't even getting no love on all
NBA teams. Damn No, and Halliburton, he no, Jimmy Butler, damn.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
Know these guys, these guys having held it down to
the level. That guys all right, as.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
It's gonna be some interesting first round matchups that I
really like. The Sixers is looking like the A seed
right now and they might have to see the Celtics.
But we all the Sixers, the Sixers with m B back.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
Who's Garden, Who's Garden? Emb? So who's starting? We're changing
up our lineup now.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
The Garden there, then our horfor gonna come here.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
So presings to the bench.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
What you're saying about what you're saying about in b
versus Celtics.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
You said you switched the lineup quick. I said, who's guard?
If you called a bench player out, No, we're starting
with these guys out here.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
If we playing the Sixers.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
So you're switching the lineup in the first round, we
might Wow, I've never seen that before. I have you
ever seen that NBA history? What the best team in
the league switches the lineup mysteriously in the first round?
Have you ever heard of that? Porzingis is our center.
He's calling him an All NBA player fourteen every team.
So we start the series and we put Pazingis on
the bench. It's a shock.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
We're gonna start both of them.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
We can start both we've played big who's coming off
the bench.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
They're white.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
Yeah, first, then we can do that. We can we
can do that versus sixers. Okay, uh, But I like
Porzingis matching up with him early and then bringing in Harper.
Actually I'm cool with that.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
But what it is showing you that this MB situation
has got you?
Speaker 1 (27:28):
Really don't We beat them every year? We beat them
every year.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
Well, let's see what we do this year. That president
and b went and played possum. He know that he
wears down the playoffs. What he did, he sat down
and be been working out with Chris Brinkley and New York.
He been healthy for a month. I'm just playing scaring me, man,
you steal you still him get scared? If be been
(27:53):
sitting back, laying out healthy, He's not breaking down in
that first round. They line up to get Boston out
of there early. They get that out of there early. Wow,
look at it coming out of the East. Just get
to the playoffs. Let's talk. I gotta see the lineups.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
Not coming out of East Milwaukee. Who ain't been giving
us nothing.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
But what happens is is a domino effect. Boston is
not losing a Domino effect, crazy Domino effect, Miami. We're
gonna see Philadelphia present present problems for Boston in that
first way.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
You know, all right, we're gonna get to the playoffs.
We got a few games left, y'all come back to
this next week. Talking about me, Nate and Eric was
talking about who is the top five ringless players all time?
And you can use past and present players as long
as they played at least ten years.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
Well, you gotta for me. I'm gonna start off with
Ai Okay and Barkley Barkley. Uh okay, I'm gonna try
to go about position.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
No, I'm gonna position. No, this ain't position. I'm gonna
do it this position. My list plays to me. It's
the top five Reggie Miller, No, he's not there, top
five players, the top five players to ever not win
a ring.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
Okay, so let me let me see you. It's my
power forward.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
Okay, Barkley, I'm.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
Going with the Ai Malone, going to do it for
it Miller and Ai.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
Miller and Ewing. Yeah, so all right, that's good. That's
show line. All right. So yeah, I got iverson top
five players ever, then I get one. I belong Barkley
James Harden, Westbrook. Okay, I mean these is all m
(29:56):
v ps. Yeah, these is all m v P these
are all two three. Fine you doing, but uh, all
time players, all top seventies.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
Think about hard.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
Harden is an all time player. He's been in the
top five MVP voting.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
Yeah, west Side, you gotta put him there somewhere along there.
So I'll take I take.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
Top five, these top five players.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
I'm gonna take. I'm gonna take out I'm gonna take
out Reggie and put Harden. I'm not Westbrook is Uh,
it's tough. I can't just put all of y'all right there.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
I mean, he's one of the greatest players to ever
played the game.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
Yes, true, but I never felt that he was in
The reason why my list is coming from I felt
these guys was in contention for championships. I never felt
I never felt I felt Westbrook had one chance to
win it and they just and this Klay Thompson killed it.
But I don't. I don't feel like these guys. Harden
went to the playoffs at the finals of the six.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
Man like Miller teams.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
Yeah, those Houston teams, they were contenders.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
So they felt Westbrook I felt like.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
Yeah, he wasn't really he was a great individual player.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
I like.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
I like the fact that the teams was fighting and battling,
like Iriston was fighting and battling. He got to Shaq
and Kobe and tried to do it and stole that
game that we was at. That was my first finals game.
We attended together that game.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
One game.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
Yeah, we went to that game. And and also I
look at like Reggie Miller getting through the Knicks, trying
to get there, battling with Jordan's and doing his thing.
But I will go with Harden because of his status.
Lgend Baylor's on my list over I'm gonna go ahead
(31:38):
and Baylor, this is my team. I got Elgin Baylor
over Malone. Gotta go.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
I know to the finals eight times.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
He was killer.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
He's the greatest player retired. They won it.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
It was him Baylor. Elgend Baylor's uh, he's my hero.
He really appreciated the way I played. But I will
give Elgin Baylor is the greatest. So I'm gonna give
this my list. Elgin I worked it out.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
Elgin Barkley, Uh alone, he's a contender. He's the criteria.
You said contending. What I'm putting Elgin in the spot now.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
Now, now my team is based on roster. I'm going
with roster.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
Now you're saying you said based on REGI Miller Heartache contend.
I'm putting he went to the finals.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
No, Malone is there. He missed the criteria, just like Isaiah.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
Who you got? Now finalize your list.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
I got my list finalized. I'm going by I'm going
Iverson Harden in my back court. I'm going real game.
I'm going Barkley, Baylor, Ewing, that's the that's the team.
You can have him. I'm going with Barkley.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
My loan is great, is rated greater than you all time.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
I'm the raider. I'm not listing to these people. She's thinking,
I'm here for all right, all right to take out
here for listening to these people. I'm telling you the
ratings Listen. Malone is an all time great. Let's not
knock him. You have to pick a team. You couldn't
have Malone. I'll take Barkley. There's no Stockton here.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
Ooh Stockton got oh we forgot about.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
Stock I did not. I went with Iverson, all.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
Right, second team, we gotta come with a second team.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
Okay, Now Stockton to Malone.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
Okay, Stocking, all right, second team, stocked him alone.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
I'm gonna go ahead and put uh. I'm gonna go
ahead since I got this team. I got Reggie there
over Westbrook again, okay, because I'm putting stock him Umber Westbrook,
all right, because he's been there, he balliedly went the
two finals. No, no, no, he's behind Westbrook. He's an
honorable mention all right. Uh Now, who's my who's my.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
Tracey McGrady in there?
Speaker 2 (33:45):
No?
Speaker 1 (33:47):
No, no, it never had a chance. Steve Nash. No,
I got stocked Steve Nash, and he was a contender.
Never was Phoenix.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
Popped off.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
It wasn't contenders. They wasn't contender.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
Didn't make it.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
Was they contenders?
Speaker 2 (34:08):
They didn't make it. They didn't do it.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
The favors versus h Who was it san Antonio? Yeah,
that was favored.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
I got Stockton, I get it, all right. I got Stockton,
John Stockton. Now I just need a center. Somebody I'm
missing from that center spot. I just need time. Let
me see, I need a center because we played the
game with centers.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
Yeah, it's somebody from now EMBD MBID that's a good one.
Ten years in the league, that's a good one. Yeah,
that's my list too, right there.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
I like that. I like that.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
Damn damn. What else we was talking about?
Speaker 3 (34:47):
Man?
Speaker 1 (34:47):
M vps?
Speaker 2 (34:48):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (34:49):
Man, you here what Gil said? How about Joker?
Speaker 2 (34:53):
Now? Hold on?
Speaker 1 (34:54):
Can we can we play that? Can we play that?
Oh my god? This is this is probably one of
the I know you boy, but this is one of
the worst takes you'd ever had. This is one of
his listens for the reason like, let's play that. Let's
play what Gil was talking about?
Speaker 3 (35:09):
Man, Now, I do understand when they say this about
Yo kic Yo kicch is probably, statistically, when it comes
to overall game the worst MVP winner, he's the worst
MVP winning the last forty years.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
I don't get what he said, doll, because we just
talking about Is he talking about the sixth seed being
the sixth seed? Statistically?
Speaker 2 (35:36):
What year is he talking about?
Speaker 1 (35:37):
For the first one? The first MVP that was in
what year? In twenty two? In UH.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
Twenty one, twenty one it was a third seed the
COVID shortened season.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
Wait, is that the year he won? Well, the first
MVP season he averaged twenty six and ten. Yeah, and
that's the year they were the third seed. Yeah, but
what happened was this facts is wrong, right because he
said sixth seed. He said sixth seed.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
But he can't get caught up.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
But I think this is going to the sixth seed.
Throw when they were six seed the.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
Next year, Yeah, the statistics went up.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
So what was his stats on the sixth seed year?
Speaker 2 (36:18):
They went up? What was it twenty seven and fourteen?
Speaker 1 (36:22):
So twenty seven and fourteen in eight Yeah, Now I
know some I mean if the criteria twenty seven first
or second place.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
But this dude right here, also he this is the
thing about him that he's not looking at. This guy
is shooting fifty eight percent. He's shooting thirty four from
three and eighty from the free throw line. As a center,
as a center, he got, he got, he's getting fourteen
rebounds and eight assists. His impact on the game, he's getting,
he's getting.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
What's his supporting cast? The year he won the first
one and then the second one.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
I mean year he won the first when he's shooting
almost forty percent, he was at one point he was
almost fifty forty ninety. Yeah, like he was fifty he
was fifty six thirty eight eight, which is thirty nine
percent in eighty eighty seven.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
I mean a lot of this got to do with
supporting cast. He averaged a triple double, which we never seen.
They were sixteed. He was historic.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
Yeah, but that's and he rolls, Yeah, that shows you how.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
I just don't agree with that, cause statistically those numbers
are outstanding twenty six, ten and eight then he went.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
To compared to fourteen.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
Steve Nash averaged about sixteen and eleven the year he
won it, but his team was one of the top teams.
So he go on. He combined in the records, Gil,
I love you, boy, but look, when you're gonna shoot
stuff like this, you gotta get your stats right. Because
the year Joker won, as you talk about, they were
third seed two, and so the numbers that you talking
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about was a third seed team. The other number six
seed he averaged twenty eight to fourteen. So we need
you to clear this up, my boy, Like what you
you gotta you gotta go over this one again so
I can hear this again and like really understand what
you were saying. So that's all I want to say.
But I think he deserved both his MVPs. He's lined
up to probably get his third MVP again, which I
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believe he will get. I mean leading them to another
first place. If they win first place, they gonna be
first star second. So finally, so what he's really saying
is this is the only year he meeting the criteria
because they gonna be first or second place, and his
numbers are still this is the same player.
Speaker 2 (38:36):
I don't want to hear about all his stats crunch stuff.
Right here, we were looking back at him, We're trying
to look at stats. He had major impact. That's why
he was given that. Yeah, this is not this is
not something that's highly debated. What's more debated was the
year he lost.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
He should have won it. Yeah, you know what, to
Gill's credit, the year he won his first one, Giannis
could have won two.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
Gianni's had just won two. Yeah, he could have won it,
just won two. This guy was doing something different in
terms of we talk about what Westbrook did, We talk
about the center position with shooting the three, passing the ball, rebounding,
still dominating. And also, let's not forget this guy's been
getting to steal a game, so he's we don't even
look for him for this. He's to get a stealer game.
Speaker 1 (39:20):
Is he the best player in the league. Yes, And
so he's been the best player in the league, in
the league for how long?
Speaker 2 (39:26):
No, him and Luca been him, Luca, this, this whole crew,
this whole crew has been holding it down. Him, Luca
and then b went healthy. Annis have been the top
clear guys in the league the last four or five years,
three to four years.
Speaker 1 (39:44):
This year.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
Yeah, I mean, it's a tough race for him right now.
You know, I think I think Shay he's kind of
faded a little bit. I think people not gonna ever
give Luca his credit. I hear all this talk how
he plays and this, that and the other. Luca is
dominating the sport of basketball, like.
Speaker 1 (40:04):
We're gonna go off of So Luca right now is
sixth seed. He's averaging thirty four, nine and nine. Now,
those numbers, I get it. Maybe Jill is thinking about
that now. If he was deserving of MVP that year,
why not Luca this year.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
Luca is deserving this year. But there's other candidates that
are also.
Speaker 1 (40:27):
There's always gonna be other candidates.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
No, but I'm saying what Jokis did that year. Statistically,
it was nobody else doing that ahead.
Speaker 1 (40:35):
If Westbrook didn't raise the bar with the triple doubles
are thirty ten and ten, I like Luca for and
Luca had this year, Luca would probably get in d
because you.
Speaker 2 (40:44):
Got to base the MVP based on how your team performed,
based on expectations. Yeah, because that's what you did.
Speaker 1 (40:51):
You raised Well what about what OKC Westbrook wind?
Speaker 2 (40:55):
Yeah, it was like you said, he was playing Fenmen.
Didn't have a team. Yeah, didn't have a team. Who
was on the team, like we don't even remember too many.
Speaker 1 (41:04):
Guys second player. Yeah, that's what I'm saying, Adams.
Speaker 2 (41:08):
The questionable m vps is the the shocking and uh Phoenix,
wait what it was another Kobe and Nash? Right?
Speaker 1 (41:17):
Who was saying Kobe should have got it the year
Nash got.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
It one of those And maybe I'm off, but that's
this is the question. Yeah Kobe Nash and then we
have another one. Let me think, I just was on
top of my brain. That was the question. Ron and
Rose No, no, no for me, No, Malone and.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
Jordan Jordan should have won that year for show.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
Yeah, he just come on now, start playing with it.
But Jazz, they got bored with the game. Jordan's out
here dominating.
Speaker 1 (41:41):
No malone one back to back MVP.
Speaker 2 (41:44):
No, then't he just took one of Jordan.
Speaker 1 (41:47):
He took one. He only won one MVP malone oh
in between, Jordan got that one. Yeah, and then they
gave it.
Speaker 2 (41:55):
They gave Jordan ninety seven. Jordan's came in there and
beat him in the championship. But Jordan deserved that one.
Speaker 1 (42:03):
Damn.
Speaker 2 (42:04):
You don't just give it away. Jordan didn't do nothing
to lose.
Speaker 1 (42:08):
Joran sposed to have like seven eight MVPs. Yeah, Jordan, Damn,
Jordan is.
Speaker 2 (42:13):
The best thing ever happened to the sport of basketball.
Everybody keeps trying to figure it out. That's why he
stays in there. We want to discredit his shoes, want
to discredit his shooting. He's one of the best shooters
of all time. All right.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
So look, the other day I did say, I said, look,
if Lebron win a chip this year, undisputed, goat what
you think about that this year as a team that's
in a normal year without the play would not make
the playoffs if he takes this. If he can't be
the goat.
Speaker 2 (42:41):
No, because why this is why, it's like he could.
His accolades will stand, he will be, he will be
on the heel, and he's gonna have so much things
to say about his career. He's all, he's gonna have
so much thing. But Jordan was another thing. He was
so far ahead shoulders. He was like the truest thing
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we've had in sports, like Mayweather, Like when Mayweather said,
you could have bet on me, you'll be rich by now.
Jordan was the truest thing we ever received once he figured.
First of all, look at the elevation he elevated. He
stayed with that franchise. He rolled, he rolled, he wrote it.
They got some young pieces. Look at Scottie Pippen got
his train to start work. He lived at everybody.
Speaker 1 (43:25):
So like, damn, if you say Lebron brought a championship,
He's already brought a championship to three franchises, which I
don't know no other franchise player who's done that, not
a franchise player. Players then move around, ain't nobody Just
like as soon as he got.
Speaker 2 (43:40):
There, it's a new thing. It's a new day. These
guys like what Kobe did to get his five. He breathed,
He breathed life until this, Yes I do. I'm not
a numbers guy.
Speaker 1 (43:55):
Lebron not only can't be the gold, he can't be
over Kobe. So whether that put Kobe in the conversation.
Speaker 2 (44:01):
Because this is let me tell you, this is how
I don't do my goat on stats and all this.
I do my stuff on if we line up, If
we line up, who you taking?
Speaker 1 (44:11):
If I got Kobe have an argument for goat?
Speaker 2 (44:14):
No?
Speaker 1 (44:16):
But if Lebron can't be the goat, but you argue,
there's an argument for him to go But you have
Kobe over Lebron, why doesn't Kobe have an argument for goat?
Speaker 2 (44:29):
Kobe is the greatest copy cat artist of all time.
There's too many. This guy just literally stole this guy's
styles like I've never seen before. So this guy was
the Picasso. This was already a blueprint.
Speaker 1 (44:46):
So if you got somebody who paints the same picture and.
Speaker 2 (44:51):
Details, he's mcdials on coming to America. He's McDonald's a
billion serves, it's already working. Oh, let's do the mcdials.
Come on. Here is mcdill's Jordan's come on, dude, that's crazy,
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old top and Jordan, if you wasn't there, then that's
like I understand you missed it, all right, So it's
nobody ever been more true to this game. You just
knew what night.
Speaker 1 (45:23):
There's nothing Lebron can do.
Speaker 2 (45:25):
No, man, you're great, though.
Speaker 1 (45:27):
There's nothing he can do. So that means you're basing
it on.
Speaker 2 (45:30):
What you can't catch thriller. I don't care about this
new technology, these new singers, all this new dance, and
you cannot catch Michael Jackson thriller. That's until I die.
Somebody gotta come up with a whole new thing. We
gotta start figuring something else out. Michael Jackson. You can't
catch that. Just that you just can't do what Jordan did.
Speaker 1 (45:50):
So he can't catch Jordan.
Speaker 2 (45:51):
No, he's a pro, he's a he benefits off Jordan's success, Jordan's.
Speaker 1 (45:56):
And you know, I'm a big critic of Lebron. Listen,
I just think, like beating the seventy three and nine
Warriors down three to one, greatest comeback in NBA Playoff
Championship history. That is a mountain that nobody has ever climbed.
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If you win this year as a tenth ninth eighth seed.
That's never been done.
Speaker 2 (46:27):
Why shouldn't they win?
Speaker 1 (46:28):
They're doing that's never been But you do those things,
you're rewriting things just so now you're.
Speaker 2 (46:38):
But they got the best team, they're under achieved.
Speaker 1 (46:40):
They don't have the best team. They don't have the
best team. They don't they're the ninth seed right now.
Speaker 2 (46:48):
That's based on their perform. They're underperforming.
Speaker 1 (46:51):
So since they're underperforming and they build all these bad
habits during the regular season, all of a sudden, they
flip the switch in the playoffs and they make a
run to the finals and they win it. This will
not be the greatest sports feat ever.
Speaker 2 (47:04):
No, it's not even greater than when Tom Brady went
to Tampa Bay. They it's not.
Speaker 1 (47:10):
Why not because they were somewhat favorite Tom Brady. The odds,
what's the odds? Can you pull up the odds of
the Lakers winning the championship right now? Can we just
hear the odds basketball? And then we can go to
the Brady odds on them Tampa Bay. And I guarantee
you that the odds were greater for Brady to win
than it is for the Lakes to win this year.
Speaker 2 (47:30):
I guarantee that I'm not I'm not. I'm not saying
it's not.
Speaker 1 (47:36):
What's so, what's the best? That's the how many how many?
What are they ranked as far as odds in front
of the other they have?
Speaker 2 (47:45):
But look at what that But look at but look
at that. They're they're in a nine spot and they
got the tenth odds. That's because of Lebron. Look, let's
not We're not here to knock Lebron. Lebron is one
of the all time greatest players of all time. Saying
that he's not Jordan is not knocking him.
Speaker 1 (48:00):
That's not I'm just saying this is I feel like
I feel like he can't reach Jordan's But if he
did this, this is like, if this is this is
repeated twice Jordans, I mean he did.
Speaker 2 (48:14):
That that you gotta do something. He threepeated twice, He
won three in a row, which hadn't been done since
the Celtics. Then he came back, he's you know.
Speaker 1 (48:22):
What, So Jordan did something that nobody did in a
long time than Kobe one three in a row.
Speaker 2 (48:30):
He did it twice. Jordan did it twice.
Speaker 1 (48:33):
He came back just trying to make the argument for Lebron.
Right now, you know I'm playing Devil's advocate, but I'm
just saying.
Speaker 2 (48:38):
I'm just saying I was there and Jordan was too high,
so so so, not only he hasn't been dominant because
of the talent that Lebron.
Speaker 1 (48:47):
Is gonna be. He's gonna set a record in a
bar so high and scoring that nobody's ever gonna catch this.
Speaker 2 (48:53):
That's why he's buried in koreem all right.
Speaker 1 (48:56):
So he's sending so many bars he's gonna have possibly
if they win again in LA, they're gonna have to
put a statue in Miami, a statue in Cleveland, and
a statue in La. Yeah, and we never heard of that.
Speaker 2 (49:11):
Well, Jordans he went to the Withers as an owner.
Then he was over there them guys playing around. He's like, look, man,
y'all weak, I'm about to hope. He wasn't supposed to play,
so that's not really and he still went out there
and showed him. But let me show y'all how to
play this game. He is a Chicago bull guy. It's
a different time. This is not to knock Bron his
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path and none of that. Jordan's you can't compare that
thing like Kobe. He's a one franchise guy. Duncan, he's
a one franchise guys. They didn't they didn't seek to
do that. They saw where they were, they put their
foot down. They won, they lost where they.
Speaker 1 (49:45):
Were where you ran Lebron all time.
Speaker 2 (49:47):
I got him third. So Jordan, yeah, I got Jordan
me watching the game. I got Jordan, Kobe Lebron.
Speaker 1 (49:55):
Okay, so round out your five.
Speaker 2 (49:58):
It gets murky. After that, I'm gonna start guessing.
Speaker 1 (50:01):
Kareem magic magic.
Speaker 2 (50:04):
It will be for me. Okay, I want to go magic.
And then everybody want to keep Why do we keep
knocking will?
Speaker 1 (50:12):
I mean because he only won two titles.
Speaker 2 (50:14):
Well, the Celtics was the NBA All Star Team.
Speaker 1 (50:17):
I want two titles going against the All Star team
only had like because the Celtics was better.
Speaker 2 (50:23):
The Cellis won all of them that he did. They
had ten teams, but the Celtics won the ones he didn't.
He was dominating, destroying the league. He averaged fifty and
twenty three. I don't care if he's playing four teams.
I gotta play this game. He's the most dominant ever.
He's fifty and twenty three stats. Now, no, I'm going
fifty and twenty three. That's not stats. This is dominance.
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We never heard that. They don't even I never seen nobody.
What's your average iverage fifty and twenty three? He never
heard nothing, Like we don't believe he's so killing.
Speaker 1 (50:58):
We don't believe it.
Speaker 2 (50:59):
But that's what don't get.
Speaker 1 (51:00):
No love too much.
Speaker 2 (51:03):
Where's the footage?
Speaker 1 (51:03):
Nobody's ever gonna do that?
Speaker 2 (51:05):
Come on, like he's just another whole level of like
I'm better than everybody out here playing. He's just another level. Yes,
he's the best, he's the best athletes he's out there.
Speaker 1 (51:16):
Come on, man, so he five?
Speaker 2 (51:18):
Damn, I don't know, but I got magic in there,
and I got I'm just saying.
Speaker 1 (51:22):
Will do magic and will I got Will over everybody.
So now you don't got Lebron in the top five.
Speaker 2 (51:28):
I got Lebron number three?
Speaker 1 (51:30):
Oh you said three? Okay, okay, Jordan, Yeah, who who?
Speaker 2 (51:39):
So look, let's talk about this. When you go to
the top seventy five, Kobe, you at the top seventy five,
who is who is the who is the guy.
Speaker 1 (51:47):
In the NBA top seventy five?
Speaker 2 (51:50):
You had to set top seventy five.
Speaker 1 (51:52):
Who is the guy what you mean in the in
the room. Yes, I feel like everybody like gravitated toward Magic.
Speaker 2 (52:02):
No, Magic is the most charisma guy.
Speaker 1 (52:04):
But but Jordan' even he just he didn't he didn't
come in the room. He just exactly no, he didn't
show up until they announced when we was all so
they're like, we had a photo, we had a room
where we was all hanging out kind of mixing, and
then they started calling us out one by one and
I didn't know Jordan was there, and then all of
a sudden, Jordan he walked out, like, yeah, Jordan's showed
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up late.
Speaker 2 (52:27):
He's the only one they talked about. When they see him,
it's like you're seeing like, no.
Speaker 1 (52:30):
I ain't gonna lie now, I ain't gonna lie. I
ain't gonna lie. Don't look Jordan. It's only like a
few people in my lifetime that I like was star struck.
I mean I didn't, man, jay Z, I didn't have
been in the same room with Beyonce. I didn't. Jordan
was the only one like that had like, like you
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looking at Jordan, you tried out to look like features
like you try to like I was like when those are.
Speaker 2 (52:59):
The All Star Game.
Speaker 1 (53:00):
I played an All Star game with him. He sitting
seeing you tie his shoes and you walk in the
locker room. He just kind of like want to follow
Jordan Rail. You know what I'm saying, A magnetical.
Speaker 2 (53:12):
Like the greatest of all time this because it it
just you had to be there. If he wasn't there,
Now you're looking at stuff you're trying.
Speaker 1 (53:19):
To compare on numbers different. Yeah, he was too.
Speaker 2 (53:23):
Dominant, he was too much.
Speaker 1 (53:25):
He was too true.
Speaker 2 (53:26):
He was always going to give you what you wanted.
He always showed up. He played you know, I remember
sitting in the cheap seats versus Clippers and he got
that one dunk at the end of the game. It's
like he's gonna do it. I mean, he was always
he was always getting thirty. He knew what it was.
I gotta entertain these people. Yeah, and then Kobe took
that blueprint and just fouled it. Oh this is what
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the greatest just follows this, right, and then he just
he mimicked. We had all these people trying to be
like Jordan's He's the guy that was able to do it.
You know what I'm saying so, So that's why I
give him the now and plus he had that mean
he can't.
Speaker 1 (54:02):
So Lebron can't catch Jeordan.
Speaker 2 (54:04):
To you, he didn't have the he didn't have it
like the way these guys. Look, I don't want to
sit if here knocked an.
Speaker 1 (54:12):
I'm just saying, you don't think he should catch at all.
It's nothing he can do.
Speaker 2 (54:17):
No, you cannot catch Thriller.
Speaker 1 (54:20):
All right, there we go.
Speaker 2 (54:21):
You can't catch Thriller. That's it. Michael Jackson is not
to be in his own Class's the king of pop.
So is the king of basketball.
Speaker 1 (54:30):
So period twenty All Stars, All Stars, got twenty twenty
All Stars, forty thousand points.
Speaker 2 (54:37):
He's the numbers king.
Speaker 1 (54:40):
So it's all about the championships, you know.
Speaker 2 (54:43):
It's all about the or and the impact and the
dominance which championships come out of that. Lebron got his
fair share championships. I don't knock Lebron for losing. I mean,
he's got his fair share, He's got his chips, and
the only way you can get there, to win him
is to get there, and he was constantly there, so
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you cannot. I don't. I'm not wanting to knock him
for those chips. I'm applaud him for getting there and
losing them chips because he was getting there and he
was taking teams there. But I'm just saying, if I
had to pick, if it's if I gotta go at it.
Speaker 1 (55:16):
At the top, he saying, these guys, give me Jordan's
Jordan's on call at the All Star Game. Look at halftime,
he was hitting the cigar. I'm thinking, like, damn, he's
smoking his car at halftime, Like, is he going out
to the second half. Then he goes out to second half,
hits the game winner. I think he's done for the night.
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He in the back of a baller shot hitting the
cigar halftime with the jersey still only just in the
back cigar, like like, man Geordan must be done for today.
Then he goes out, it's the game fade away in
the baseline.
Speaker 2 (55:50):
He's chilling.
Speaker 1 (55:51):
So I was like, this star, that was crazy. That
was crazy. Man. I got Chancey just got nominated this
Carter and Chauncey just got nominated to the Hall of
Fame this year. Shout out to y'all, Vince, my guy Chauncey.
And so this goes back to the claim that I
made that class of ninety five. McDonald's class is the
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greatest Mickey D's class of all time. So far, we
got me and KG and the Hall of Fame. Now
we're about to get two more. I'm trying to think
of any other McDonald's class that's gonna have four Hall
of famers. Mickey D's class four Hall of famers. So
whoever McDonald's class out there got an argument it is
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on this, please share it, because I don't remember the
last time four Hall of famers came from one McDonald's class.
So shout out to VC Vince Carter, the greatest dunker
to ever live, Smooth, Chauncey Billups, that's my guy, been
playing against him since high school. College. And then the
pros shout out to y'all man, you I represent the
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class of ninety five. You love y'all man, congrab you
know what.
Speaker 2 (57:01):
I just remember the first time I ever saw Chauncey
that's my first memory. I saw him Cayle State Dominga's
high school, I mean Hills College.
Speaker 1 (57:10):
Oh, when we went to camp. We went to camp.
We went to the Pump Brothers.
Speaker 2 (57:13):
We went to that camp first, and he was shooting
threes from way out I had, we had, I hadn't
seen nobody. Yeah, we did. We played against him. He
was on the same team with God Lead at the time. Okay,
Doug was this camp, No, this was Inglewood. This is
our squad, but this is a pump shootout. But we
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just brought our team. We brought our team. We played
as our high school team against God leaving them team
and they brought Chauncey Billups out right, and he was
a guy like he was. You could see that he
was a pro. He was the first guy that I
saw that I played against from anything from l a
that he had that she was like, oh, he's a
he's a pro because and he wasn't no size, It
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wasn't it wasn't no like wow, it was just his
way he played, approach the game, and you gotta look
at his story. He had to find his way and
learn his position.
Speaker 1 (58:05):
Always was a point guard dog, Oh he was.
Speaker 2 (58:08):
But the NBA game and he had got moved around
because you need opportunity though.
Speaker 1 (58:12):
No, but when he came into the league, the league
was still geared toward traditional point guards. Where he fit
in the game today because he was a scoring, shooting
point guard.
Speaker 2 (58:22):
Yeah, you know.
Speaker 1 (58:22):
So my story with Chauncey like yeah, meeting him in
high school and then we went to college. He went
to Colorado, I went to Kansas, and obviously we matched
up a lot, like as far as our teams, I
didn't really guard him a lot, but I remember we
both won Coke Freshman's of the Year. And then I
remember it's talking to Chancey. I was like, man, look,
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we're gonna go to the league together. So you know
when it's that time, you know, made me know. So
this is freshman year. So second year, Chauncey took a leap.
I'm talking about a huge leap. You know. I was.
I was preseason all of me American. But Chauncey, man,
I'm telling you, dog, he took a leaf so cold.
I was just like whoa. I mean, he was dominant, right.
(59:09):
So Chauncey was like, I'm going to the league, and
I was like, damn, I'm not ready. I'm not ready.
I mean I could have went, but Chauncey was more
than ready. He got stronger, he was poised, he can
You couldn't stop him from scoring. You have the damn
near trap him and he just took off, and Uh,
I was like, I need one more year. I thought
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I was gonna be ready, but I just wasn't as
physically a mentally ready as he was. And then my
VNS story is, Man, I knew I shouldn't have entered
that at McDonald's dune contest man with Vince Carner. Dog,
I knew I should have. I don't know what I
was thinking. Oh no, what I was thinking, Dog, Vince
embarrassed me. I'm out there looking weak through the dead contest.
(59:51):
I'm missing dugs. Man, that's all the Internet people be
looking at bringing that back up. I'm out there missing dugs,
can't catch the live. So Man evinced I knew he
was always gonna be great. And so Man just again
shout out to them my boys, Congratulations, hall of fame,
and don't get no better than that, fellas. Welcome to
the club. So there y'all have it, another edition of
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