March 8, 2024 • 46 mins
The Truth Lounge is BACK as Paul and Jason Crowe get real on the state of boxing, breakdown the NBA as it's heading down to the final stretch, react to Celtics vs. Nuggets, and more. Plus, they discuss title contenders, KATs injury, and player empowerment.
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yours all right, y'all, Welcome to the Truth Lounge. It's
time to get right to it. Interesting news today. I
just saw that Jake Paul is fighting Mike Tyson, and
(01:28):
this is like, yo, where is the state of boxing?
Because now you got guys who retired. Mike Tyson obviously
is one of the greatest all times. He's one of
my favorites all time. Jake Paul is just changing the
game of boxing. It's crazy because now it's about who's watching,
who's getting abused, who are people interested in? It's like,
(01:54):
and I'm an avid fan of boxing, what's your thought
on the way the boxing game is going? Because you
got an amateur fighter fighting a X champ who's.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Been entertainment exactly more. No, this is not boxing, this
is entertainment. And rightfully so, like you know, it's it's
a fight, it's it's a it's a because of the
sport of boxing. Right now, we just got a we
got a big opening, Like what right now is the
(02:28):
big fight? But just right now, it was always a
big fight we was looking forward to. It was so
many divisions that were going strong, whether it was Triple G,
whether it was even to this day had us rolling.
You know what, I mean and uh when he was
going with a Fury and Wilder and all them and
(02:49):
all those fights, you.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Know what sports is. I feel like sports in general
is where we're it's all become entertainment. It's been entertainment, no,
but I'm just feeling like it's almost like everything is
almost to the damn there.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Scripted was a business.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
Sports used to be unscripted. So now I'm like it's
starting to look like everything is scripted. TV scripted, Like
reality TV ain't reality they scripted? They like, I feel
like sports is becoming scripted. Like some dude in the
NFL said that the NFL was script.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Is a script I'm gonna tell you like this, this
event right here is definitely gonna be stripped scripted. They're
gonna talk about what they're gonna do, and they're gonna
be trained to deliver, just like wrestling. Think about wrestling.
That's how they do. And I learned when I was
a kid, because the person that's really getting falling down,
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I mean, the person that's doing the body slamming is
the one that's really working and hurting because he's absorbing
all the weight in this situation. They know how to
do this stuff. They boxed and they know how to spark.
They don't come out.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Jake Paul gonna be like, hey, Mike, let's put this
fight together. We're gonna get hell of you. Because I
know I'm gonnauy it. I know. If it's paper, Netflix
is doing it. By the way, the big thing is
Netflix is doing it. So what is that saying about
Netflix getting into the to the sports like I'm talking
about like Netflix, this is big for Netflix.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Well, this is what I'm thinking. I'm thinking we need
to go to it.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
We should go to this.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Yeah, it's gonna be a Jerry's World solo. It's a
good atmosphere like this is this is we might as
well enjoy it whatever it is. For this type of
thing right here right If you go to it, I
believe it's going to be a greater entertainment value because
you get a chance to socialize, hang out with people
with friends, you know, everybody come together and the little
(04:45):
event is just funny games and we laugh at it
and go back and have done.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Think about this though, you know what I mean. We're
talking about a guy, Jake Paul. He's a youth. Theyve
been YouTubers entrepreneurs. He didn't come up in no amateurs here,
there's no boxing histor. He just got into it. And
they're fighting at the biggest arena in America. I mean,
(05:09):
people gonna buy it. I want to see it because
it's Mike Tyson. Obviously, I was a child uh one
of my childhood favorites. And he's entertaining because he showed
me he can still kind of like box versus uh
Roy Jones a few years ago. Well, Jake, are we
act whatever?
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Ja earned this because he set the stage for himself.
He had a couple of antics, you know what I'm saying.
He pissed the people off. He got some people to
follow him. He living a life.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
He knocks about the state of boxing. Don't what do
you think about just boxing in general?
Speaker 2 (05:45):
But that's what I'm saying. We were was we don't
We're not looking forward to another fight. We're craving that energy.
There's not another fight on the docket ever since the
Crawford fight. The Crawfords fight was the last fight. Now
we don't have nothing on the dock, it on the schedule,
So we was looking forward to maybe a spence to
with Crawford just I mean even though it happened like
(06:07):
it happened. Let's see, let's see if you come back
when you get your head knocked off. We don't have
no rival.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
We don't go sparking.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
Used to have was talking about that. So look, let
me ask you this your your top three fighters of
all time? Just you is what you like? And your
top three.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Top three, my top three all time?
Speaker 2 (06:29):
No order, stand on it.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
No order, uh for show, Mike Tyson for show, and
let me see, Oh we get tough after that.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
I'm get tough after that.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
No, no, no, no Floyd in there. I ain't gonna
lie because I've.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Got one more. Now rush top three?
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Many Poe think them three brought the excitement they brought
they leave. Them three actually changed the game of boxing.
And they all were goats and they all like one
on every multiple levels.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
You know.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Michael was always a heavyweight, but like Floyd, the pack
up climbs ranks. It won multiple titles. But those like
I'm paying for them three, everybody else I'll probably like,
Like I like Lenox Lewis, I like the damn who
else is it?
Speaker 2 (07:27):
My three? I'm gonna go with. I liked watching Za
Judah yeah, but that can't be in the top three.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
No, but I'm just saying who I like.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Yeah, Like, come on, man, now I got my top three.
My top three is Muhammad Ali.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
I never saw a live Muhammad Ali.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
No, I saw him when he lost. You saw that
when I was. I was alive when he when homes
homes beat it bat in my ABC at on my
my house on twenty seventh Street, nineteen eighty one eighty two,
about five or six. First time I do I remember homes.
I remember home and beating me up. That's my first
(08:04):
entry to boxing was Muhammad a losing. I do remember that.
That's my introduction to boxing was homes beating up Muhammad Ali.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
You saw that fight. You remember when you was five,
sitting down, You remember everything running around. You sat there
and Washington Man.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
We didn't have no activities as the kids. We didn't
have no phones. We was going outside that when the
fighters on the game, street lights on. You got to
get in the house. Bro, Bro, I'm not running the
streets when the street lights.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
My bro.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Was like and the.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Street light bro talking about this fight. Bro.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
I saw the home fights fighting. It was on a
b C wide world of sports. Howard Coast. No, you
watched you watched coach self.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
You watched that.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
You don't even know if I was gonna sell called it.
You got on YouTube down homes, Bro, I wanted to.
I watched the stuff on YouTube. I didn't know the interviews.
I was wild by that. Maybe doing the pandemic.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Because we'll talk. He said he was five.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Larry Holmes Muhammad A Lee. What year was that nineteen
eighty eight eight three US three win it takes place?
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Yeah, yeah, you know.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Watch Home is my earliest memory of boxing. I didn't
make that up.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
Dog watched that fight, child prodiy Dog.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
He was four.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
You were four.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Let me tell you something, you dog, nineteen eighty, nineteen
eighty go look this up. They replaced when he was twelve.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
Dog.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
I'm in the back of the volkswagon at Washington High
and the homecoming parade. All this stuff happened in nineteen eighty, Homie,
I'm not I remember the fight. I didn't say I
remember the fight. I remember this energy. I remember that
watching the homes this is my fire. Remember who was
with my dad?
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (10:17):
My dad. My dad's in the family house. Bro, We're
watching the homes lost I'm saying, so now, my research,
my research sent me back to I lea for my
for my time.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
Three years old, sitting patient watching the.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Yourself. I'm different. Let's get to mother to Muhammad A
leave still in there?
Speaker 1 (10:47):
All right?
Speaker 2 (10:48):
All right, Sugar Ray Leonard.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Oh, I forgot about Sugar.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Ray, Sugar Ray Leonard, Sugar Ray Leonard, because this is
the first time I got all my boxing gloves at
the crib with Sugar Ray Leonard and I had the
Sugar Ray Leonard stand right here with the thing. Okay, okay, yeah,
who else remember that? That was about seven with that
sugar Get it twisted? You was watching cartoons. I was cracking.
(11:17):
I was on the bus. I was on the bus
up and down Western in the in the second grade.
How old is that? Go fact check that normally Christian
school fact check that I rode with Victor Dean second grade?
How old are you in sad grade six? You better
get not get it twisted. I was on the wrap
the rt D in the second grade to Normaldy Christian School.
(11:39):
And to go fact check that that's eighty two, that's
eighty two, Go ahead, services too late. I'm a grown man.
I'm a grown man. I was on a bus grade
up and down Normandy Christian School on Normandy Engage second grade.
Hold on, yeah, Mohammad Muhammad A leave Sugar Ray and
(11:59):
I got a go Floyd because the business in the
in the show. But I'm going with Sugar Ray. And
like I said, Muhammad Ali, I remember him losing his
first fight, right, I'm not gonna sit there and tell
you I remember the fight. I remember that that was
the energy. He was a hero and he lost. That
was that resonated in my home. No, I'm gonna tell
the story that resonated in my home. Bro, I'm smart.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
You're talking about.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
All I remember. I don't remember the details, Bro, I
don't remember what I had on all this other extra stuff.
I remember that resonated in our home. And that's why
later on during the pandemic, No, you saw the replay
they played the man. He was a hero and we
was all cheering for our le in my home. And
when he lost, I remember that.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
That's crazy. I don't remember ship.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Speakers that you don't you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
But let me see that four What I remember nothing?
Speaker 2 (12:57):
You burn That's why you burned down the house. Unreliable.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
What you was on?
Speaker 2 (13:03):
You remember that?
Speaker 1 (13:05):
How old was you?
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Five?
Speaker 1 (13:06):
Just one year old? Down the house?
Speaker 2 (13:11):
Wasn't listening.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
I wasn't listening. Use you wasn't listening.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
I remember when I was doing it for I remember
everything nineteen eighty watched the high school. It's pictures. Everything
is times. No, I'm gonna tell you something. One thing
that my grandparents did. No, but one thing that my
grandparents did. Look, one thing my grandparents did that I
wanted that you do a good job of that. I
don't right, my grandparents. Every time you went to her
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house for Thanksgiving, she had every picture, Everything was timestamped
and you just sit there and watch that. That was
like a highlight of my Thanksgiving day was going through
the photo albums. Yeah, going through the seventies, going through this,
going through that.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
So I was maybe you thought you the fight, but
you saw.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
I'm just telling you. I remember that energy of that
from I'm Ali. I'm not telling you telling the story,
I'm telling my study.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
I remember that, he said, Yeah, I remember that. Our
family because we was for a champ right, we was
for the g is a legend and my first memory
of him is losing whatever it is. My first memory
of him is losing. So I think it's remarkable that
I have him in my top three because I had
to research all this. I had to go back and
see the sixty six fight.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
Remember that assassination? Absolutely, you saw that you was he
was watching the news on that.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
I'm educated. Come on anything from seventy six? Hold on?
When did when? Did I remember eighty? I'm gonna tell
you something else. Early was Washington High?
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Did you watch that?
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Tell you this? We're gonna fact check this story that
women tell you. I'm a fact check something. I'm gonna
figure this out with my pops because I'm gonna see
what my pops worked at Washington High. When he left,
he and he kept moving up. But but he wasn't
there long. He wasn't there past five. I think he
wasn't there when I was six. I'm a fact check something.
We'll get to y'all.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Hold on, bro, I'm about to let me call what
number I'm about to call him right now? What year
was he at? What's your dad number?
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Brouse? About the year was he at wash.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
What's what's mister crow number? Pops? This is your your
other son, Paul Pierce So look, me and Jay we're
doing our podcast right now. He's telling me a story.
So he told me to call you and ask.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
You what year?
Speaker 1 (15:37):
What a what age was Jason when he answered the
phone for Muhammad Ali?
Speaker 3 (15:44):
Here was.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
When Muhammed called me?
Speaker 4 (15:48):
It was in the eighties for sure, because I had.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
This for real. Yeah, what year? Hey man?
Speaker 1 (16:01):
What year were you?
Speaker 2 (16:02):
Did you leave Washington?
Speaker 1 (16:03):
So? So what year did Ali? Wait? What was the
fight Hed Holmes beat Ali? Did y'all watched that fight?
When Holmes beat Ali? Y'all watched that fight? Mister crow?
Speaker 2 (16:15):
Yeah? Yeah, Ali?
Speaker 1 (16:17):
Just you know he didn't train hard enough the club,
he said, you saw Ali up on sunset at the
club he.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
Was in the club called the Candy Store. Oh, man,
I used to you know, I own the bitting apple.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
Man.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Jason, All right, backcheck me, man.
Speaker 4 (16:44):
So we was talking about him coming to Washington High School,
visiting the school, talking to the kids, doing this, that
and the other. And he said he was traveling to
Africa or something, but he would call me.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
So he called me.
Speaker 4 (16:59):
And I guess Jason's the phone.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
So you talked to mom when he was four years old?
Speaker 2 (17:04):
No, that was like probably like six or six.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Or oh damn, that's crazy.
Speaker 4 (17:08):
And he came in there from my daddy Mhammad.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
On the phone.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
All right, we were just wanted to we just we
just want to fact check this was making this up,
checking this up.
Speaker 4 (17:26):
That's that's that's true.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
That's true.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
All right, all right, truth is truth. All right. I'm
gonna come over there and see you next week. Man,
all right, all right, I talked all right.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
Later check you dog. He's like, did you see the bike?
All right? I remember that.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
That's that's funny.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Is that rattle the family? I'm trying to tell you
we showed up for Muhammad Ali. That's all the talk
with my draining. Are we sitting here? You gotta remember
this the times there's nothing else to do. I'm gathering
with my family. We lost. Everybody was everybody was rattled.
It was sad. It was like stung.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
All right, we stung.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
Homes did beat him up, all right, man, But he's
the greatest.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
All yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
And I'm going with sugar yo, go.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Your five and box and so it's time to get
to the hoops. Man. I was on Draymond's podcast the
other day. We had some good moments. I asked him
an interesting question. So check this out. Do you feel
like we started that big super team thing? For sure?
(18:44):
For sure? So we was an influence on Bron and
then Kadi and all of that and everybody coming together.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
Well, I think I think also a thing that it
there was it allowed you to see that it was possible.
So we had like before that, we didn't know this
was possible, like all of a sudden, it's now you
Ray Allen and KG like this. No one ever even
thought of these things before, like how is this even possible?
(19:13):
And so I think that opened up the world of possibilities.
Now you're like, ah, okay, I can do this. Now
I can put yeah, like we can put this together now,
you know. So I think when that happened, everybody's just like, Okay,
now you can put these pieces into place because I've
(19:33):
seen it happen.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
So now I heard you ask Draymond about the super
Teams and his response was that in the modern era
kind of you know, your twenty eighteen kind of started
that trend again. How you feel about that?
Speaker 1 (19:49):
This is how I feel on the real like when
I see how the other teams did it based on
how we did it, because it wasn't me calling KG
or calling Ray Allen like we should play together like
ours just happened. That was all upstairs, you know what
I'm saying. That was all Danny Ying's Vanessa, you know,
(20:10):
going into his bag. You know, the owners figuring out
what they're gonna do. But what you know, they came
to me like they want to help. They don't. They
want me to be here long term, and they want
to build a team around me to win a championship.
And they feel like I was a key piece to
where it's now. When Lebron did it in Miami. That
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was manufactured. Mines was hand Mines was handmade. You know
what I'm saying. You know the difference between handmade and
an assembly line, So where's it's a difference minus is
hand made. It was stitched in. It was we didn't
know what's direction we was going. It was like we
didn't know what was gonna happen. And then all of
a sudden, we got the worst record. Next thing, we
(20:50):
got the fifth pick. Oh, we trade the fifth pick.
We end up with Ray Allen. Oh damn, what else
we can do? We got those young assets, We got
Ray out in the park. Oh, damn, let's flip this.
Oh damn, we can get KG bring that over here.
Now when you look at it, Lebron calling Way calling
Bosh like go, but you don't think that's Like what
(21:16):
Jamia Draymond said was we set the blueprint on not
only super teams, but we showed that it can work
three stars together. Yeah, that's what I was going to say,
like you know, and then they saw that.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
And that's what I'm saying. So like I was, I
was gonna ask you, like how you have to feel
about this because this was my thought on it. Like, yes,
you guys started off that right, and obviously what you're
saying Lebron saw that he needed the combat that he
felt the need to combat that by creating something. But
(21:48):
I think what it is, what is symbolizing what you
guys also kicked out was player empowerment because now you
see that with Ben Simmons, like all that is no
but what I'm saying, but even Ben Simmons what he pulled,
that's player empowerment. I'm not playing. I can't price with
my phone in my pocket, ya, I won't. I'm waiting
(22:12):
on my agent. What were doing my agent about to coffee.
Right now, I'm about to be out of here. I
need my phone. He came to Price with his phone
in his pocket. You know, they got all this type
you know gear with the NBA. So that's what I'm saying.
I think. I think it also and also we talk
about a shift when we talk about Oscarbers and all
these people that it's so many different movements. I think
(22:34):
Lebron even with the decision the way it was hands
like we was player empowerment though, you know what I'm saying,
because we want to win, and now we're gonna do it,
you know, like we're gonna do what we feel like,
you gotta listen to us or we can do this.
We who wouldn't accept us in this way? Right? You
(22:54):
know what I mean? Like this is we putting together,
were thinking for the teams, have our agents come up
with the numbers and let us know. Now we're letting
the teams know. Hey, you know you can get me
Lebron and uh bosh, right, did you do the numbers?
Speaker 1 (23:08):
You can give me KD to go with Steph and Clay. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
Once I'll do the numbers. Because my guy then did
the numbers over here with the cap. You get like
they started coming with the info themselves, like they started
understanding the CAP and started having an understanding of what
they needed to do. And like I said, even to
the bench, saimens even to like what hard and been
doing for the last he was over here, you know,
like theyre saying he was over here, partied over here,
(23:33):
like damn, heart fell off. He came to Brooklyn. Yeah, Dimes,
you know what I'm saying, triple doubles right away, Like damn,
he just last week he couldn't you remember they were
saying that he was like heavy or something like he
got to Brooklyn, he was looking real.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
Then he got that they formed that super.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Empowerment though, I'm saying, like the super team, that's what's
not being like the player in power Man. Because now
we gotta do something and we don't got Danny Ainge.
You ain't Danny Ainge on GM. So now we're gonna
think for our gms. They got that. Whatever they did,
y'all did that. We need to win too. So look,
we're gonna be the GMS. We're gonna tell the GMS.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
We don't think that's kind of like cheating to enhance
your legacy.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
Now, just like we went back to high school, y'all
called KG when y'all couldn't be shakee.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
Cotting in them that I didn't call That wasn't nothing
I did, though, they help you out.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
Stop being grateful.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
We gotta be grateful.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
I called KG in. Look, you came in second thirty
tournaments in a row.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
Second team all the time.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
Until what until what happened super team. They called in
KG for the super team. All of a sudden, you
got one more than you. We got one more than you.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Now you got two top ten players in the country
on one team.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Exactly. We flew in KG for the super team. We're
gonna we're tired of coming in second, right, This is yeah,
you like you didn't.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
I didn't ask for that, though you couldn't ask for it.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
This is somebody.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
I just felt like we could beat them. I'm gonna
get better. Hey, I'm gonna get better and I'm gonna
growst team and I beat them. I didn't. I didn't
go there and say coach, I need this player. I
didn't do that. I just woke up one day he
was like, hey, yeah we got this other.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
Seeing okay, thank god for management.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
All right? Then, but you no, we went right away.
We got KG Super Team KG.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
Come in here. We went right away.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
And the lead you sitting there like I got this.
You ain't got it. I'm talking about the high school.
I got it. I told you high school.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
Yeah. I love the energy, y'all loved the pride, like
we got this. But at some point, like old leave
World War Bro, you need to call KG. You know
what I mean. I love it, that's leaf, but I'm
players to win. But what I'm saying, though, for real,
that's one element. I believe. This is my opinion that
the twenty and eighteen it's sparked an error that we influenced.
(26:22):
That's a great word, influenced player empowerment because like you're saying,
this wasn't a thought before that you can do this right.
So now that's what I'm saying. These guys having their
agents crunch the numbers and they come into the teams
with the plan. Who's gonna say, no, listen, we're gonnaut
to get Lebron. They calling you like nobody called Danny
(26:44):
Ainge with this this is a great plan. Hey, you
answer your phone. It's like I answered for Ali. You
answer for your phone. It's like, yes, your phone, It's like,
you know what I mean, you down in the dumps.
You're not lost in the playoffs first round Miami.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
You win a dump.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
So you answering your phone, you gotta answer you ain't
on vacation right now, trying to figure out that. Yeah,
you know we're gonna bring Lebron and Chris Bosh through.
Can we afford that? Yes, you guys can afford it.
My guy has already.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
Done the numbers, right.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
Yeah, So this is different. It's a new way to think.
That's what I'm saying. The two thousand it though. I mean,
it's gonna center everything evolves, right, and you won't player empowerment, right,
you want to be able, just like they want a
free agency.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
But no, no, So this is my opinion on that.
I think these cats did that the same a legacy, bro.
I think they did it the same day legacy.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
I mean, let me tell you this. Let me tell
you this.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Though Lebron was winning the MVPs KD went to the finals,
he didn't want an MVP and everybody know they watched
TV social media, they like, well, we ain't got no chip,
so they manufactured. If I can save my legacy. I'm
gonna do it this way. So they created these teams
(28:10):
by phone calls, agents, gms coming together, you know what
I'm saying. Like they were worried about their legacy.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
Bro, good thing to worry about though.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
No, that's fair, right, that's fair creative player empowerment.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
Yeah, it's a good thing to worry about your legacy.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
They cared about it.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
They cared about it, right, that's the other way to
look at it. It's like it's like and plus too.
Like sometimes you know, as a creator, we having it entertainment.
In music, you have some of the greatest artists and
they get inspired and they want to collaborate, like they
all Grammy Award winning artists, this and that. But now
it's like I want to do something greater than that.
(28:52):
Now I want to do something greater. I haven't been
on the charts, no one. So it's great when you
got other artists that want to collaborate. And like he said,
you Gouts showed that that. Look if these three guys
can get together and they can, like you talk about
you took I don't know how many like seven eight
less shots per game. Yeah, so Ray, everybody came outside
(29:12):
of their natural role. So you guys show if they
can do it, then we could do this. But we're
gonna do what they said. We're gonna get the money, right,
We're gonna get the money. So they so they took
They all like, well, I didn't get paid the max.
Come on, man, it's like three four million. In the
big picture, it was the money you made by coming
up it outside that little four that you're giving back
(29:35):
or whatever that the number was, right. They came and
they got their money, and they and they got the
championships they got and and yeah, I think I think
that's where y'all get the credit for the influence of
that and what Danny Ainge was able to do. You
can't just wait for your GM to try to match that, right, right,
(29:56):
You can't wait. You can't just say, well, I want
to have my GM pull off for Danny, Like, no,
we gotta help our Danny Ainge or whoever's in place.
We gotta get these guys something, you know.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
And I think, and when we ever see another super
team again, based on like where the money is and
based on like just like the game today, because right
now we're in the era of two all stars, like
we don't. There's no team in the league right now
that I can think of that features three Hall of
(30:30):
Fame players. You know, So Golden State was the last
is the last team right now that's together still, But
like there's no super and I like the league like
it is now. Bro, it's so much parody. The parody
is insane. Outside of the Boston in the Eastern Conference,
when you look at the West, it's crazy, like I
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don't know who coming out the West, like Denver, you
can say, but like after Denver, it's all bunched up,
and I'm like, I like it. I like them. When
the stars are spreading.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
Out, there's three over there.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
Three or four guys on the team. That's four, the three,
the three or four Clippers.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
But no, there's there's two on max contracts the Clippers.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
Is the Clippers a super team?
Speaker 2 (31:20):
They got four Hall of Famers?
Speaker 1 (31:23):
What you mean? Like, I feel like this is what
super team is. This is what super team is. You
not only got three Hall of Famers minimum, but they're
also all stars currently.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
You know, you know what my my thing is though,
because we still was all stars. But let me tell
you something why I think the super teams is harder
for them to exist in this modern area. I think
the role players are greater, right, I think now the
game the teams, like when you look at the team
the way the way that it's more teams constructed, like
the Detroit Pistons teams when you like when you look
at Denver the way they plays.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
No, no, no, But I do think the league today
is more talented than that.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
Yeah, Like the role players are, like, you have a
lot of players who understand this style of play that
we're playing today, space and shoot, you know, pass and create,
play defense, and they're have an impact. So that's making
it Like you have players like Aaron Gordon. He'll never
be talked about as no Hall of Famer, but Jesus
is coming up big and finals.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
Who who you got as the contenders right now? Right now?
Who can win it? Who can win it? Obviously the Celtics,
who can realistically win it all? Well, right now, I'm
going for give me, however many teams you think can
(32:47):
win it all?
Speaker 2 (32:49):
No, that's what I like about it right now. I
really I'm going with den I gotta I gotta go
down right now.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
Give me a list of teams who can win it all?
Speaker 2 (32:58):
Yeah, I got Denver, I got Milwaukee and Boston.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
Okay, that's my list. That's it.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
Three.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
Yeah, nobody else right in the West.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
That's why I said I got to revisit this in
the playoffs. I got to see the structure right now,
the way I can't put my money on. You know
who's who I can't put my money on. Nobody.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
Ain't put no money on it. But like who realistically
say we can win it?
Speaker 2 (33:22):
Y'all?
Speaker 1 (33:23):
They in their locker room today, like they have practice.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
Today in Minnesota? Why can in practice today like Dawn Minnesota? Okay,
why can't I win? Ok?
Speaker 1 (33:31):
Okay, see, we can win it if I'm them. Yeah,
that's what I'm saying. So you said, Okay, see man.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
It's not them. I'm not in their locker room, so
I don't believe I'm saying from you. But if i'm them,
I can understand the energy. Yeah when I'm watching it
from not If I'm them, I'm going for it. If
I'm okay, see, we got we got a guy that
can just devastate them. That's why he beat USA this year.
We couldn't.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
There's only five teams right now that.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
Is in MVP candidate.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
There's only five teams every year that can win the
NBA Championship. There's no more, no less. So I'll tell
you why. What the criteria for winning the NBA Championship One,
you gotta have an MVP caliber player or a first
team All NBA player. There's an NBA history has always
(34:18):
featured a first team All the NBA player or MVP candidate.
So who fits that category? Okay, see Shay Gilds is
in there.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
Yeah, my five is good.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
Tatum, he's the top five player MVP candidate. Celtics. You
got Joker obviously defending champs Milwaukee. You got Joannis, top
five player MVP candidate, and Be's been out, but well
(34:50):
he healthy.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
I got Anthony Edwards Minnesota.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
Is he a top five player?
Speaker 2 (34:55):
Yes? They compare him to Jordan's everybody Jordan just google.
I don't know the names that just start flying at you.
He said he's dunking like names fly. That's compare to Jordan's.
What I said, names is gonna fly. He's Anthony Edwards
has that team. You're not talking about them. I it's
(35:15):
not Anthony Edwards thread every night.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
He's the top five player.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
Yes, Anthony Edwards.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
I like Anthony a lot, bro I like him a lot. Yeah,
but he's don't compare him to Jordan.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
Don't get him, not me. I didn't say, I said others, you.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
Know, not Jordan right now, Like you can get to Jordan, don't,
don't don't. Don't you know my thing.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
I don't see the Jordans.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
I'm not sure Minnesota can win it. Cat injured and
you know he got a meniscus. That's gonna change what's
happening in the West. So they gonna fall. So say
they in the top three, So that's gonna open up
the door for like Lakers.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
Golden State, gold gonna be on the ape spot and
pop them. Here they go, Oh my god, here they go.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
Golden State win it all.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
Man, It's so hard to count him out. I just
I don't believe no more. I'm done. But listen, they.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
Can't be Miami in last year and make him run.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
Yes they can. I mean, Curry is capable, and you
have those guys is capable. I just don't know if
they they got the strength to fight through the finish.
We can't underestimate Jordan Poole what he did for that team,
giving him that guaranteed twenty or seventeen or eighteen whenever
he gave off the bench. You know what I mean,
he was he didn't have to fight out right now too. Yeah,
(36:40):
they don't have that consistency right now of guys. You know,
That's what I didn't like. I like Clay, He's keeping
the humble, He's doing this thing. But I'm just saying, when.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
You move Clay, Laker's got a chance.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
Yes, Lebron is just Lebron is just gonna give you
a chance. Lebron gonna give you a chance. He still
got it. He got it, he got it.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
I don't know why they not better, Bro, you got
two Lebron's gonna make an All NBA team this year,
Anthony Davis may make an All NBA team this year. Well,
you got two All NBA players. Why aren't they better.
Russell's good, kaminga I mean not cominga uh ruy, he's solid,
(37:27):
Reeves solid. Why they not better? Well?
Speaker 2 (37:32):
This my this, My theory is that they just have
a hard time playing a defensive level during the regular season.
That's just my theory. Like when you have Russell and Reeves,
you know, and then you have an aging Lebron and
then you have RUI like you. So they sacrificing the Lakers.
Problem is they don't know they've been mixing a lineup.
(37:54):
They got a defensive lineup when they had the Vanderbilts
and the cam Reddish and they were going with this,
and then now they got the offensive line lineup on
the fix. So now what is it? You know? Can
they play defense? Yeah? Can't?
Speaker 1 (38:10):
They can't win it?
Speaker 2 (38:11):
Yeah? Can they win it all?
Speaker 1 (38:17):
What's the difference?
Speaker 2 (38:17):
Can can you win the West? Well? I mean they
can win the West because you got some variables. Look,
I've seen things happen win it. I'm gonna tell you
how they can win it. I'm gonna tell you I
can win it exactly. Uh Jamal Murray, somebody, yes, now
you now you don't have to guard dynamic, guard the
partner in the fourth quarter to get you up out
(38:38):
of here. So that's putting too much pressure on ya, kitchen.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
Now everything gotta go to the Lakers later Winniscus by
no team in history. Bro, they can't win it. I'm
gonna just keep it one.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
They can win the West though they can't.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
They not going to the Chip Celtic and Nuggets is
coming on, bro Yo, We'll be running back Celtic's Denver.
Bro Man, what is Celtics got the best record of
the league, Denver to defending NBA champs. They showing you
right now, Bro? This is this is? Is this concerning
(39:16):
for the Celtics. No, you know what? Because regular season
means something, but playoffs, I don't know. It's different because
I was on teams that won the regular season matchup
but lost in the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
Well, you know what I think. I think the fact
that the Celtics lost two games to Denver but was
close both games was winnable. Yes, they will have home
court advantage, and so we have to see how a
guy like Peyton Watson has been the X factor in
these games? How does he play in the playoffs? His
(39:54):
first his first playoff action, because he's pivotal in those
in those in those second and third quarters, his runs
on the second and fourth quarter, the start of the
second and start of the fourth quarter, he's been pivotal.
Speaker 1 (40:07):
Can the Celtics beat Denver in the seven game series?
Speaker 2 (40:10):
When you say can, I say yes, But I'm still
going to if I had to put my money down
in Vegas I'm going with Denver. I just think that
I just think that Jokic is the is the matchup
problem that is sure about what he's going to do.
I think in the fourth.
Speaker 1 (40:25):
Quarter, thirty point triple double versus Celtics, that's concerning.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
It's not really concerning because he could do that versus everybody.
Speaker 1 (40:35):
So versus the best team in the league, it's different.
The best one of the best defenses in the league.
You're averaging a thirty point triple double. Bro Well, he's
the best player league.
Speaker 2 (40:47):
Listen, He's the best NBA player. He's the best NBA
player that's in the National Basketball Association. There's no Now,
he might not be the MVP, right because that's a
different metrics that we measured.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
These games matter. You think he took the lead on
MVP conversation by beating the Celtics.
Speaker 2 (41:09):
Again, I just think for me, right now, I still
think it's I still think it as a shay Me
Oklahoma City. They don't have a they don't have a
Jamal Murray. They don't have they don't have any history
of winning. This guy is scoring thirty someth points fifty percent.
Speaker 1 (41:27):
They don't Jamal Murray.
Speaker 2 (41:29):
They don't have a cold, they don't have a robin.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
Why not check Jalen and check Yeah, but those days.
Speaker 2 (41:40):
No, he's not an All Star, but he's shown you
that he can. Don't have a second story, but he's
a playoff experience. He's a champion and he has he
has tremendous playoff performances. I look at Shae, I'm looking
at a guy that's giving you thirty some points on
fifty five percent shooting. Now listen, if Jokish wins the MVP,
I would not be disappointed because, like I said, he
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is the best NBA player because he has no flaws.
He can play his pace, he can play minutes. He
shows up every night to work. His defense is great.
He's not a great on ball defender, but he's a
great team defender. As i Q makes up for that.
He knows how to cover his spots. He's not a
weak link. He's a champion. You're not picking on him
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because he knows how to utilize his angles. You know,
he's a great defensive rebounder. He forces you to take
tough angers. You beat him every now and then. But
he's not a weak link. He's not a great defender.
But he's a championship level defender.
Speaker 1 (42:36):
So you got Denver as the favorite to win it. Yeah,
they're the champions, got Denver.
Speaker 2 (42:42):
Yes, I have Jokic at the best player.
Speaker 1 (42:44):
And this game started tonight.
Speaker 2 (42:47):
You who I had Denver?
Speaker 1 (42:53):
You had Denver before tonight?
Speaker 2 (42:54):
Yes, all right, yes, I have Denver have this is
a team that I believe is the best. Now I
said Boston. What did I say been saying about Boston.
Let's get to the playoffs and this is a game
like that. It's concerning right because you have Brown Golf
for forty, you have you have you have for singers.
They regarding him with small so he got the most
(43:17):
shots and he was inefficient.
Speaker 1 (43:18):
It looks like it's coming up on my feed now
he gonna have surgery. Yeah, so if he having surgery now,
a lot of shit can happen right now on the
West bro Minnesota.
Speaker 2 (43:35):
I think it's just bad for Anthony Edwards.
Speaker 1 (43:37):
Is just Minnesota.
Speaker 2 (43:39):
They haven't won a playoff series yet, so he got surgery.
Speaker 1 (43:42):
What does that mean to the Minnesota Minnesota Timberwolves moving forward?
Speaker 2 (43:46):
You think I think they can get out of here
with the first and second seed. But all that's gonna
mean yeah, because they did a great job.
Speaker 1 (43:54):
Okay, see is half a game behind second, Yeah, Denver
one game behind third, Clippers three games behind four.
Speaker 2 (44:05):
Well, I think it does Minnesota favor actually if they
go to third, because I think that the first and
second spot for them without Cat, they gonna end up
getting Golden State of Lakers, you know what I'm saying.
So they're not gonna be prepared for that without a
cat and they get out of here again in the
first round. If they can third, okay, they make better
(44:25):
matchup if they get third for the first round, they
make it, they.
Speaker 1 (44:29):
Get third, Like right now, third spot is seeing Phoenix
in the first round. So my question to you, you
think Minnesota, after all they did this year, this Minnesota
get out the first round this year, they gonna have
to see either if they go from one to two.
(44:51):
Two is gonna be like, oh, we're gonna see sack
Dallas go to State Lakers.
Speaker 2 (44:55):
How many games left in the season, so.
Speaker 1 (45:00):
There right now, twenty games left, nineteen twenty games.
Speaker 2 (45:04):
Yeah, that's a long haul for them.
Speaker 1 (45:07):
So they can drop in. If they dropped the like
third or fourth, fourth, you can end up seeing New
Orleans Phoenix sack.
Speaker 2 (45:17):
That's better for him.
Speaker 1 (45:19):
That's that's what they want the fourth.
Speaker 2 (45:22):
Right, Yeah, because I just think they can't beat the team.
They can't be a player like Lebron.
Speaker 1 (45:28):
You don't want to be in a home court advent
in situation in the first or second. That's crazy. I
got Minnesota not making up the first round with this
new news. Celtics man good.
Speaker 2 (45:42):
I told you they good. They got home court advantage.
They're gonna have court, home court advantage throughout the playoffs.
Can they be Milwaukee? They bill Milwaukee to have home
court advantage against Denver. They gotta come up, you know,
they gotta come strong. But I just think that Denver
just let them know that that we are are they
let the league know?
Speaker 1 (46:04):
Is that the finals preview?
Speaker 2 (46:06):
Yes?
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yours all right, y'all, Welcome to the Truth Lounge. It's
time to get right to it. Interesting news today. I
just saw that Jake Paul is fighting Mike Tyson, and
(01:28):
this is like, yo, where is the state of boxing?
Because now you got guys who retired. Mike Tyson obviously
is one of the greatest all times. He's one of
my favorites all time. Jake Paul is just changing the
game of boxing. It's crazy because now it's about who's watching,
who's getting abused, who are people interested in? It's like,
(01:54):
and I'm an avid fan of boxing, what's your thought
on the way the boxing game is going? Because you
got an amateur fighter fighting a X champ who's.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Been entertainment exactly more. No, this is not boxing, this
is entertainment. And rightfully so, like you know, it's it's
a fight, it's it's a it's a because of the
sport of boxing. Right now, we just got a we
got a big opening, Like what right now is the
(02:28):
big fight? But just right now, it was always a
big fight we was looking forward to. It was so
many divisions that were going strong, whether it was Triple G,
whether it was even to this day had us rolling.
You know what, I mean and uh when he was
going with a Fury and Wilder and all them and
(02:49):
all those fights, you.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Know what sports is. I feel like sports in general
is where we're it's all become entertainment. It's been entertainment, no,
but I'm just feeling like it's almost like everything is
almost to the damn there.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Scripted was a business.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
Sports used to be unscripted. So now I'm like it's
starting to look like everything is scripted. TV scripted, Like
reality TV ain't reality they scripted? They like, I feel
like sports is becoming scripted. Like some dude in the
NFL said that the NFL was script.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Is a script I'm gonna tell you like this, this
event right here is definitely gonna be stripped scripted. They're
gonna talk about what they're gonna do, and they're gonna
be trained to deliver, just like wrestling. Think about wrestling.
That's how they do. And I learned when I was
a kid, because the person that's really getting falling down,
(03:49):
I mean, the person that's doing the body slamming is
the one that's really working and hurting because he's absorbing
all the weight in this situation. They know how to
do this stuff. They boxed and they know how to spark.
They don't come out.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Jake Paul gonna be like, hey, Mike, let's put this
fight together. We're gonna get hell of you. Because I
know I'm gonnauy it. I know. If it's paper, Netflix
is doing it. By the way, the big thing is
Netflix is doing it. So what is that saying about
Netflix getting into the to the sports like I'm talking
about like Netflix, this is big for Netflix.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Well, this is what I'm thinking. I'm thinking we need
to go to it.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
We should go to this.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Yeah, it's gonna be a Jerry's World solo. It's a
good atmosphere like this is this is we might as
well enjoy it whatever it is. For this type of
thing right here right If you go to it, I
believe it's going to be a greater entertainment value because
you get a chance to socialize, hang out with people
with friends, you know, everybody come together and the little
(04:45):
event is just funny games and we laugh at it
and go back and have done.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Think about this though, you know what I mean. We're
talking about a guy, Jake Paul. He's a youth. Theyve
been YouTubers entrepreneurs. He didn't come up in no amateurs here,
there's no boxing histor. He just got into it. And
they're fighting at the biggest arena in America. I mean,
(05:09):
people gonna buy it. I want to see it because
it's Mike Tyson. Obviously, I was a child uh one
of my childhood favorites. And he's entertaining because he showed
me he can still kind of like box versus uh
Roy Jones a few years ago. Well, Jake, are we
act whatever?
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Ja earned this because he set the stage for himself.
He had a couple of antics, you know what I'm saying.
He pissed the people off. He got some people to
follow him. He living a life.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
He knocks about the state of boxing. Don't what do
you think about just boxing in general?
Speaker 2 (05:45):
But that's what I'm saying. We were was we don't
We're not looking forward to another fight. We're craving that energy.
There's not another fight on the docket ever since the
Crawford fight. The Crawfords fight was the last fight. Now
we don't have nothing on the dock, it on the schedule,
So we was looking forward to maybe a spence to
with Crawford just I mean even though it happened like
(06:07):
it happened. Let's see, let's see if you come back
when you get your head knocked off. We don't have
no rival.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
We don't go sparking.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
Used to have was talking about that. So look, let
me ask you this your your top three fighters of
all time? Just you is what you like? And your
top three.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Top three, my top three all time?
Speaker 2 (06:29):
No order, stand on it.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
No order, uh for show, Mike Tyson for show, and
let me see, Oh we get tough after that.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
I'm get tough after that.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
No, no, no, no Floyd in there. I ain't gonna
lie because I've.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Got one more. Now rush top three?
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Many Poe think them three brought the excitement they brought
they leave. Them three actually changed the game of boxing.
And they all were goats and they all like one
on every multiple levels.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
You know.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Michael was always a heavyweight, but like Floyd, the pack
up climbs ranks. It won multiple titles. But those like
I'm paying for them three, everybody else I'll probably like,
Like I like Lenox Lewis, I like the damn who
else is it?
Speaker 2 (07:27):
My three? I'm gonna go with. I liked watching Za
Judah yeah, but that can't be in the top three.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
No, but I'm just saying who I like.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Yeah, Like, come on, man, now I got my top three.
My top three is Muhammad Ali.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
I never saw a live Muhammad Ali.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
No, I saw him when he lost. You saw that
when I was. I was alive when he when homes
homes beat it bat in my ABC at on my
my house on twenty seventh Street, nineteen eighty one eighty two,
about five or six. First time I do I remember homes.
I remember home and beating me up. That's my first
(08:04):
entry to boxing was Muhammad a losing. I do remember that.
That's my introduction to boxing was homes beating up Muhammad Ali.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
You saw that fight. You remember when you was five,
sitting down, You remember everything running around. You sat there
and Washington Man.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
We didn't have no activities as the kids. We didn't
have no phones. We was going outside that when the
fighters on the game, street lights on. You got to
get in the house. Bro, Bro, I'm not running the
streets when the street lights.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
My bro.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Was like and the.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Street light bro talking about this fight. Bro.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
I saw the home fights fighting. It was on a
b C wide world of sports. Howard Coast. No, you
watched you watched coach self.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
You watched that.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
You don't even know if I was gonna sell called it.
You got on YouTube down homes, Bro, I wanted to.
I watched the stuff on YouTube. I didn't know the interviews.
I was wild by that. Maybe doing the pandemic.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Because we'll talk. He said he was five.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Larry Holmes Muhammad A Lee. What year was that nineteen
eighty eight eight three US three win it takes place?
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Yeah, yeah, you know.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Watch Home is my earliest memory of boxing. I didn't
make that up.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
Dog watched that fight, child prodiy Dog.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
He was four.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
You were four.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Let me tell you something, you dog, nineteen eighty, nineteen
eighty go look this up. They replaced when he was twelve.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
Dog.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
I'm in the back of the volkswagon at Washington High
and the homecoming parade. All this stuff happened in nineteen eighty, Homie,
I'm not I remember the fight. I didn't say I
remember the fight. I remember this energy. I remember that
watching the homes this is my fire. Remember who was
with my dad?
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (10:17):
My dad. My dad's in the family house. Bro, We're
watching the homes lost I'm saying, so now, my research,
my research sent me back to I lea for my
for my time.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
Three years old, sitting patient watching the.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Yourself. I'm different. Let's get to mother to Muhammad A
leave still in there?
Speaker 1 (10:47):
All right?
Speaker 2 (10:48):
All right, Sugar Ray Leonard.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Oh, I forgot about Sugar.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Ray, Sugar Ray Leonard, Sugar Ray Leonard, because this is
the first time I got all my boxing gloves at
the crib with Sugar Ray Leonard and I had the
Sugar Ray Leonard stand right here with the thing. Okay, okay, yeah,
who else remember that? That was about seven with that
sugar Get it twisted? You was watching cartoons. I was cracking.
(11:17):
I was on the bus. I was on the bus
up and down Western in the in the second grade.
How old is that? Go fact check that normally Christian
school fact check that I rode with Victor Dean second grade?
How old are you in sad grade six? You better
get not get it twisted. I was on the wrap
the rt D in the second grade to Normaldy Christian School.
(11:39):
And to go fact check that that's eighty two, that's
eighty two, Go ahead, services too late. I'm a grown man.
I'm a grown man. I was on a bus grade
up and down Normandy Christian School on Normandy Engage second grade.
Hold on, yeah, Mohammad Muhammad A leave Sugar Ray and
(11:59):
I got a go Floyd because the business in the
in the show. But I'm going with Sugar Ray. And
like I said, Muhammad Ali, I remember him losing his
first fight, right, I'm not gonna sit there and tell
you I remember the fight. I remember that that was
the energy. He was a hero and he lost. That
was that resonated in my home. No, I'm gonna tell
the story that resonated in my home. Bro, I'm smart.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
You're talking about.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
All I remember. I don't remember the details, Bro, I
don't remember what I had on all this other extra stuff.
I remember that resonated in our home. And that's why
later on during the pandemic, No, you saw the replay
they played the man. He was a hero and we
was all cheering for our le in my home. And
when he lost, I remember that.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
That's crazy. I don't remember ship.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Speakers that you don't you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
But let me see that four What I remember nothing?
Speaker 2 (12:57):
You burn That's why you burned down the house. Unreliable.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
What you was on?
Speaker 2 (13:03):
You remember that?
Speaker 1 (13:05):
How old was you?
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Five?
Speaker 1 (13:06):
Just one year old? Down the house?
Speaker 2 (13:11):
Wasn't listening.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
I wasn't listening. Use you wasn't listening.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
I remember when I was doing it for I remember
everything nineteen eighty watched the high school. It's pictures. Everything
is times. No, I'm gonna tell you something. One thing
that my grandparents did. No, but one thing that my
grandparents did. Look, one thing my grandparents did that I
wanted that you do a good job of that. I
don't right, my grandparents. Every time you went to her
(13:38):
house for Thanksgiving, she had every picture, Everything was timestamped
and you just sit there and watch that. That was
like a highlight of my Thanksgiving day was going through
the photo albums. Yeah, going through the seventies, going through this,
going through that.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
So I was maybe you thought you the fight, but
you saw.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
I'm just telling you. I remember that energy of that
from I'm Ali. I'm not telling you telling the story,
I'm telling my study.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
I remember that, he said, Yeah, I remember that. Our
family because we was for a champ right, we was
for the g is a legend and my first memory
of him is losing whatever it is. My first memory
of him is losing. So I think it's remarkable that
I have him in my top three because I had
to research all this. I had to go back and
see the sixty six fight.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
Remember that assassination? Absolutely, you saw that you was he
was watching the news on that.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
I'm educated. Come on anything from seventy six? Hold on?
When did when? Did I remember eighty? I'm gonna tell
you something else. Early was Washington High?
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Did you watch that?
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Tell you this? We're gonna fact check this story that
women tell you. I'm a fact check something. I'm gonna
figure this out with my pops because I'm gonna see
what my pops worked at Washington High. When he left,
he and he kept moving up. But but he wasn't
there long. He wasn't there past five. I think he
wasn't there when I was six. I'm a fact check something.
We'll get to y'all.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Hold on, bro, I'm about to let me call what
number I'm about to call him right now? What year
was he at? What's your dad number?
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Brouse? About the year was he at wash.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
What's what's mister crow number? Pops? This is your your
other son, Paul Pierce So look, me and Jay we're
doing our podcast right now. He's telling me a story.
So he told me to call you and ask.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
You what year?
Speaker 1 (15:37):
What a what age was Jason when he answered the
phone for Muhammad Ali?
Speaker 3 (15:44):
Here was.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
When Muhammed called me?
Speaker 4 (15:48):
It was in the eighties for sure, because I had.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
This for real. Yeah, what year? Hey man?
Speaker 1 (16:01):
What year were you?
Speaker 2 (16:02):
Did you leave Washington?
Speaker 1 (16:03):
So? So what year did Ali? Wait? What was the
fight Hed Holmes beat Ali? Did y'all watched that fight?
When Holmes beat Ali? Y'all watched that fight? Mister crow?
Speaker 2 (16:15):
Yeah? Yeah, Ali?
Speaker 1 (16:17):
Just you know he didn't train hard enough the club,
he said, you saw Ali up on sunset at the
club he.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
Was in the club called the Candy Store. Oh, man,
I used to you know, I own the bitting apple.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
Man.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Jason, All right, backcheck me, man.
Speaker 4 (16:44):
So we was talking about him coming to Washington High School,
visiting the school, talking to the kids, doing this, that
and the other. And he said he was traveling to
Africa or something, but he would call me.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
So he called me.
Speaker 4 (16:59):
And I guess Jason's the phone.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
So you talked to mom when he was four years old?
Speaker 2 (17:04):
No, that was like probably like six or six.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Or oh damn, that's crazy.
Speaker 4 (17:08):
And he came in there from my daddy Mhammad.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
On the phone.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
All right, we were just wanted to we just we
just want to fact check this was making this up,
checking this up.
Speaker 4 (17:26):
That's that's that's true.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
That's true.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
All right, all right, truth is truth. All right. I'm
gonna come over there and see you next week. Man,
all right, all right, I talked all right.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
Later check you dog. He's like, did you see the bike?
All right? I remember that.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
That's that's funny.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Is that rattle the family? I'm trying to tell you
we showed up for Muhammad Ali. That's all the talk
with my draining. Are we sitting here? You gotta remember
this the times there's nothing else to do. I'm gathering
with my family. We lost. Everybody was everybody was rattled.
It was sad. It was like stung.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
All right, we stung.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
Homes did beat him up, all right, man, But he's
the greatest.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
All yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
And I'm going with sugar yo, go.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Your five and box and so it's time to get
to the hoops. Man. I was on Draymond's podcast the
other day. We had some good moments. I asked him
an interesting question. So check this out. Do you feel
like we started that big super team thing? For sure?
(18:44):
For sure? So we was an influence on Bron and
then Kadi and all of that and everybody coming together.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
Well, I think I think also a thing that it
there was it allowed you to see that it was possible.
So we had like before that, we didn't know this
was possible, like all of a sudden, it's now you
Ray Allen and KG like this. No one ever even
thought of these things before, like how is this even possible?
(19:13):
And so I think that opened up the world of possibilities.
Now you're like, ah, okay, I can do this. Now
I can put yeah, like we can put this together now,
you know. So I think when that happened, everybody's just like, Okay,
now you can put these pieces into place because I've
(19:33):
seen it happen.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
So now I heard you ask Draymond about the super
Teams and his response was that in the modern era
kind of you know, your twenty eighteen kind of started
that trend again. How you feel about that?
Speaker 1 (19:49):
This is how I feel on the real like when
I see how the other teams did it based on
how we did it, because it wasn't me calling KG
or calling Ray Allen like we should play together like
ours just happened. That was all upstairs, you know what
I'm saying. That was all Danny Ying's Vanessa, you know,
(20:10):
going into his bag. You know, the owners figuring out
what they're gonna do. But what you know, they came
to me like they want to help. They don't. They
want me to be here long term, and they want
to build a team around me to win a championship.
And they feel like I was a key piece to
where it's now. When Lebron did it in Miami. That
(20:30):
was manufactured. Mines was hand Mines was handmade. You know
what I'm saying. You know the difference between handmade and
an assembly line, So where's it's a difference minus is
hand made. It was stitched in. It was we didn't
know what's direction we was going. It was like we
didn't know what was gonna happen. And then all of
a sudden, we got the worst record. Next thing, we
(20:50):
got the fifth pick. Oh, we trade the fifth pick.
We end up with Ray Allen. Oh damn, what else
we can do? We got those young assets, We got
Ray out in the park. Oh, damn, let's flip this.
Oh damn, we can get KG bring that over here.
Now when you look at it, Lebron calling Way calling
Bosh like go, but you don't think that's Like what
(21:16):
Jamia Draymond said was we set the blueprint on not
only super teams, but we showed that it can work
three stars together. Yeah, that's what I was going to say,
like you know, and then they saw that.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
And that's what I'm saying. So like I was, I
was gonna ask you, like how you have to feel
about this because this was my thought on it. Like, yes,
you guys started off that right, and obviously what you're
saying Lebron saw that he needed the combat that he
felt the need to combat that by creating something. But
(21:48):
I think what it is, what is symbolizing what you
guys also kicked out was player empowerment because now you
see that with Ben Simmons, like all that is no
but what I'm saying, but even Ben Simmons what he pulled,
that's player empowerment. I'm not playing. I can't price with
my phone in my pocket, ya, I won't. I'm waiting
(22:12):
on my agent. What were doing my agent about to coffee.
Right now, I'm about to be out of here. I
need my phone. He came to Price with his phone
in his pocket. You know, they got all this type
you know gear with the NBA. So that's what I'm saying.
I think. I think it also and also we talk
about a shift when we talk about Oscarbers and all
these people that it's so many different movements. I think
(22:34):
Lebron even with the decision the way it was hands
like we was player empowerment though, you know what I'm saying,
because we want to win, and now we're gonna do it,
you know, like we're gonna do what we feel like,
you gotta listen to us or we can do this.
We who wouldn't accept us in this way? Right? You
(22:54):
know what I mean? Like this is we putting together,
were thinking for the teams, have our agents come up
with the numbers and let us know. Now we're letting
the teams know. Hey, you know you can get me
Lebron and uh bosh, right, did you do the numbers?
Speaker 1 (23:08):
You can give me KD to go with Steph and Clay. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
Once I'll do the numbers. Because my guy then did
the numbers over here with the cap. You get like
they started coming with the info themselves, like they started
understanding the CAP and started having an understanding of what
they needed to do. And like I said, even to
the bench, saimens even to like what hard and been
doing for the last he was over here, you know,
like theyre saying he was over here, partied over here,
(23:33):
like damn, heart fell off. He came to Brooklyn. Yeah, Dimes,
you know what I'm saying, triple doubles right away, Like damn,
he just last week he couldn't you remember they were
saying that he was like heavy or something like he
got to Brooklyn, he was looking real.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
Then he got that they formed that super.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Empowerment though, I'm saying, like the super team, that's what's
not being like the player in power Man. Because now
we gotta do something and we don't got Danny Ainge.
You ain't Danny Ainge on GM. So now we're gonna
think for our gms. They got that. Whatever they did,
y'all did that. We need to win too. So look,
we're gonna be the GMS. We're gonna tell the GMS.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
We don't think that's kind of like cheating to enhance
your legacy.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
Now, just like we went back to high school, y'all
called KG when y'all couldn't be shakee.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
Cotting in them that I didn't call That wasn't nothing
I did, though, they help you out.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
Stop being grateful.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
We gotta be grateful.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
I called KG in. Look, you came in second thirty
tournaments in a row.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
Second team all the time.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
Until what until what happened super team. They called in
KG for the super team. All of a sudden, you
got one more than you. We got one more than you.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Now you got two top ten players in the country
on one team.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Exactly. We flew in KG for the super team. We're
gonna we're tired of coming in second, right, This is yeah,
you like you didn't.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
I didn't ask for that, though you couldn't ask for it.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
This is somebody.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
I just felt like we could beat them. I'm gonna
get better. Hey, I'm gonna get better and I'm gonna
growst team and I beat them. I didn't. I didn't
go there and say coach, I need this player. I
didn't do that. I just woke up one day he
was like, hey, yeah we got this other.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
Seeing okay, thank god for management.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
All right? Then, but you no, we went right away.
We got KG Super Team KG.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
Come in here. We went right away.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
And the lead you sitting there like I got this.
You ain't got it. I'm talking about the high school.
I got it. I told you high school.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
Yeah. I love the energy, y'all loved the pride, like
we got this. But at some point, like old leave
World War Bro, you need to call KG. You know
what I mean. I love it, that's leaf, but I'm
players to win. But what I'm saying, though, for real,
that's one element. I believe. This is my opinion that
the twenty and eighteen it's sparked an error that we influenced.
(26:22):
That's a great word, influenced player empowerment because like you're saying,
this wasn't a thought before that you can do this right.
So now that's what I'm saying. These guys having their
agents crunch the numbers and they come into the teams
with the plan. Who's gonna say, no, listen, we're gonnaut
to get Lebron. They calling you like nobody called Danny
(26:44):
Ainge with this this is a great plan. Hey, you
answer your phone. It's like I answered for Ali. You
answer for your phone. It's like, yes, your phone, It's like,
you know what I mean, you down in the dumps.
You're not lost in the playoffs first round Miami.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
You win a dump.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
So you answering your phone, you gotta answer you ain't
on vacation right now, trying to figure out that. Yeah,
you know we're gonna bring Lebron and Chris Bosh through.
Can we afford that? Yes, you guys can afford it.
My guy has already.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
Done the numbers, right.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
Yeah, So this is different. It's a new way to think.
That's what I'm saying. The two thousand it though. I mean,
it's gonna center everything evolves, right, and you won't player empowerment, right,
you want to be able, just like they want a
free agency.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
But no, no, So this is my opinion on that.
I think these cats did that the same a legacy, bro.
I think they did it the same day legacy.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
I mean, let me tell you this. Let me tell
you this.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Though Lebron was winning the MVPs KD went to the finals,
he didn't want an MVP and everybody know they watched
TV social media, they like, well, we ain't got no chip,
so they manufactured. If I can save my legacy. I'm
gonna do it this way. So they created these teams
(28:10):
by phone calls, agents, gms coming together, you know what
I'm saying. Like they were worried about their legacy.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
Bro, good thing to worry about though.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
No, that's fair, right, that's fair creative player empowerment.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
Yeah, it's a good thing to worry about your legacy.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
They cared about it.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
They cared about it, right, that's the other way to
look at it. It's like it's like and plus too.
Like sometimes you know, as a creator, we having it entertainment.
In music, you have some of the greatest artists and
they get inspired and they want to collaborate, like they
all Grammy Award winning artists, this and that. But now
it's like I want to do something greater than that.
(28:52):
Now I want to do something greater. I haven't been
on the charts, no one. So it's great when you
got other artists that want to collaborate. And like he said,
you Gouts showed that that. Look if these three guys
can get together and they can, like you talk about
you took I don't know how many like seven eight
less shots per game. Yeah, so Ray, everybody came outside
(29:12):
of their natural role. So you guys show if they
can do it, then we could do this. But we're
gonna do what they said. We're gonna get the money, right,
We're gonna get the money. So they so they took
They all like, well, I didn't get paid the max.
Come on, man, it's like three four million. In the
big picture, it was the money you made by coming
up it outside that little four that you're giving back
(29:35):
or whatever that the number was, right. They came and
they got their money, and they and they got the
championships they got and and yeah, I think I think
that's where y'all get the credit for the influence of
that and what Danny Ainge was able to do. You
can't just wait for your GM to try to match that, right, right,
(29:56):
You can't wait. You can't just say, well, I want
to have my GM pull off for Danny, Like, no,
we gotta help our Danny Ainge or whoever's in place.
We gotta get these guys something, you know.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
And I think, and when we ever see another super
team again, based on like where the money is and
based on like just like the game today, because right
now we're in the era of two all stars, like
we don't. There's no team in the league right now
that I can think of that features three Hall of
(30:30):
Fame players. You know, So Golden State was the last
is the last team right now that's together still, But
like there's no super and I like the league like
it is now. Bro, it's so much parody. The parody
is insane. Outside of the Boston in the Eastern Conference,
when you look at the West, it's crazy, like I
(30:53):
don't know who coming out the West, like Denver, you
can say, but like after Denver, it's all bunched up,
and I'm like, I like it. I like them. When
the stars are spreading.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
Out, there's three over there.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
Three or four guys on the team. That's four, the three,
the three or four Clippers.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
But no, there's there's two on max contracts the Clippers.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
Is the Clippers a super team?
Speaker 2 (31:20):
They got four Hall of Famers?
Speaker 1 (31:23):
What you mean? Like, I feel like this is what
super team is. This is what super team is. You
not only got three Hall of Famers minimum, but they're
also all stars currently.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
You know, you know what my my thing is though,
because we still was all stars. But let me tell
you something why I think the super teams is harder
for them to exist in this modern area. I think
the role players are greater, right, I think now the
game the teams, like when you look at the team
the way the way that it's more teams constructed, like
the Detroit Pistons teams when you like when you look
at Denver the way they plays.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
No, no, no, But I do think the league today
is more talented than that.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
Yeah, Like the role players are, like, you have a
lot of players who understand this style of play that
we're playing today, space and shoot, you know, pass and create,
play defense, and they're have an impact. So that's making
it Like you have players like Aaron Gordon. He'll never
be talked about as no Hall of Famer, but Jesus
is coming up big and finals.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
Who who you got as the contenders right now? Right now?
Who can win it? Who can win it? Obviously the Celtics,
who can realistically win it all? Well, right now, I'm
going for give me, however many teams you think can
(32:47):
win it all?
Speaker 2 (32:49):
No, that's what I like about it right now. I
really I'm going with den I gotta I gotta go
down right now.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
Give me a list of teams who can win it all?
Speaker 2 (32:58):
Yeah, I got Denver, I got Milwaukee and Boston.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
Okay, that's my list. That's it.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
Three.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
Yeah, nobody else right in the West.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
That's why I said I got to revisit this in
the playoffs. I got to see the structure right now,
the way I can't put my money on. You know
who's who I can't put my money on. Nobody.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
Ain't put no money on it. But like who realistically
say we can win it?
Speaker 2 (33:22):
Y'all?
Speaker 1 (33:23):
They in their locker room today, like they have practice.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
Today in Minnesota? Why can in practice today like Dawn Minnesota? Okay,
why can't I win? Ok?
Speaker 1 (33:31):
Okay, see, we can win it if I'm them. Yeah,
that's what I'm saying. So you said, Okay, see man.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
It's not them. I'm not in their locker room, so
I don't believe I'm saying from you. But if i'm them,
I can understand the energy. Yeah when I'm watching it
from not If I'm them, I'm going for it. If
I'm okay, see, we got we got a guy that
can just devastate them. That's why he beat USA this year.
We couldn't.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
There's only five teams right now that.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
Is in MVP candidate.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
There's only five teams every year that can win the
NBA Championship. There's no more, no less. So I'll tell
you why. What the criteria for winning the NBA Championship One,
you gotta have an MVP caliber player or a first
team All NBA player. There's an NBA history has always
(34:18):
featured a first team All the NBA player or MVP candidate.
So who fits that category? Okay, see Shay Gilds is
in there.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
Yeah, my five is good.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
Tatum, he's the top five player MVP candidate. Celtics. You
got Joker obviously defending champs Milwaukee. You got Joannis, top
five player MVP candidate, and Be's been out, but well
(34:50):
he healthy.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
I got Anthony Edwards Minnesota.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
Is he a top five player?
Speaker 2 (34:55):
Yes? They compare him to Jordan's everybody Jordan just google.
I don't know the names that just start flying at you.
He said he's dunking like names fly. That's compare to Jordan's.
What I said, names is gonna fly. He's Anthony Edwards
has that team. You're not talking about them. I it's
(35:15):
not Anthony Edwards thread every night.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
He's the top five player.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
Yes, Anthony Edwards.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
I like Anthony a lot, bro I like him a lot. Yeah,
but he's don't compare him to Jordan.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
Don't get him, not me. I didn't say, I said others, you.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
Know, not Jordan right now, Like you can get to Jordan, don't,
don't don't. Don't you know my thing.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
I don't see the Jordans.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
I'm not sure Minnesota can win it. Cat injured and
you know he got a meniscus. That's gonna change what's
happening in the West. So they gonna fall. So say
they in the top three, So that's gonna open up
the door for like Lakers.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
Golden State, gold gonna be on the ape spot and
pop them. Here they go, Oh my god, here they go.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
Golden State win it all.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
Man, It's so hard to count him out. I just
I don't believe no more. I'm done. But listen, they.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
Can't be Miami in last year and make him run.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
Yes they can. I mean, Curry is capable, and you
have those guys is capable. I just don't know if
they they got the strength to fight through the finish.
We can't underestimate Jordan Poole what he did for that team,
giving him that guaranteed twenty or seventeen or eighteen whenever
he gave off the bench. You know what I mean,
he was he didn't have to fight out right now too. Yeah,
(36:40):
they don't have that consistency right now of guys. You know,
That's what I didn't like. I like Clay, He's keeping
the humble, He's doing this thing. But I'm just saying, when.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
You move Clay, Laker's got a chance.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
Yes, Lebron is just Lebron is just gonna give you
a chance. Lebron gonna give you a chance. He still
got it. He got it, he got it.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
I don't know why they not better, Bro, you got
two Lebron's gonna make an All NBA team this year,
Anthony Davis may make an All NBA team this year. Well,
you got two All NBA players. Why aren't they better.
Russell's good, kaminga I mean not cominga uh ruy, he's solid,
(37:27):
Reeves solid. Why they not better? Well?
Speaker 2 (37:32):
This my this, My theory is that they just have
a hard time playing a defensive level during the regular season.
That's just my theory. Like when you have Russell and Reeves,
you know, and then you have an aging Lebron and
then you have RUI like you. So they sacrificing the Lakers.
Problem is they don't know they've been mixing a lineup.
(37:54):
They got a defensive lineup when they had the Vanderbilts
and the cam Reddish and they were going with this,
and then now they got the offensive line lineup on
the fix. So now what is it? You know? Can
they play defense? Yeah? Can't?
Speaker 1 (38:10):
They can't win it?
Speaker 2 (38:11):
Yeah? Can they win it all?
Speaker 1 (38:17):
What's the difference?
Speaker 2 (38:17):
Can can you win the West? Well? I mean they
can win the West because you got some variables. Look,
I've seen things happen win it. I'm gonna tell you
how they can win it. I'm gonna tell you I
can win it exactly. Uh Jamal Murray, somebody, yes, now
you now you don't have to guard dynamic, guard the
partner in the fourth quarter to get you up out
(38:38):
of here. So that's putting too much pressure on ya, kitchen.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
Now everything gotta go to the Lakers later Winniscus by
no team in history. Bro, they can't win it. I'm
gonna just keep it one.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
They can win the West though they can't.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
They not going to the Chip Celtic and Nuggets is
coming on, bro Yo, We'll be running back Celtic's Denver.
Bro Man, what is Celtics got the best record of
the league, Denver to defending NBA champs. They showing you
right now, Bro? This is this is? Is this concerning
(39:16):
for the Celtics. No, you know what? Because regular season
means something, but playoffs, I don't know. It's different because
I was on teams that won the regular season matchup
but lost in the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
Well, you know what I think. I think the fact
that the Celtics lost two games to Denver but was
close both games was winnable. Yes, they will have home
court advantage, and so we have to see how a
guy like Peyton Watson has been the X factor in
these games? How does he play in the playoffs? His
(39:54):
first his first playoff action, because he's pivotal in those
in those in those second and third quarters, his runs
on the second and fourth quarter, the start of the
second and start of the fourth quarter, he's been pivotal.
Speaker 1 (40:07):
Can the Celtics beat Denver in the seven game series?
Speaker 2 (40:10):
When you say can, I say yes, But I'm still
going to if I had to put my money down
in Vegas I'm going with Denver. I just think that
I just think that Jokic is the is the matchup
problem that is sure about what he's going to do.
I think in the fourth.
Speaker 1 (40:25):
Quarter, thirty point triple double versus Celtics, that's concerning.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
It's not really concerning because he could do that versus everybody.
Speaker 1 (40:35):
So versus the best team in the league, it's different.
The best one of the best defenses in the league.
You're averaging a thirty point triple double. Bro Well, he's
the best player league.
Speaker 2 (40:47):
Listen, He's the best NBA player. He's the best NBA
player that's in the National Basketball Association. There's no Now,
he might not be the MVP, right because that's a
different metrics that we measured.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
These games matter. You think he took the lead on
MVP conversation by beating the Celtics.
Speaker 2 (41:09):
Again, I just think for me, right now, I still
think it's I still think it as a shay Me
Oklahoma City. They don't have a they don't have a
Jamal Murray. They don't have they don't have any history
of winning. This guy is scoring thirty someth points fifty percent.
Speaker 1 (41:27):
They don't Jamal Murray.
Speaker 2 (41:29):
They don't have a cold, they don't have a robin.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
Why not check Jalen and check Yeah, but those days.
Speaker 2 (41:40):
No, he's not an All Star, but he's shown you
that he can. Don't have a second story, but he's
a playoff experience. He's a champion and he has he
has tremendous playoff performances. I look at Shae, I'm looking
at a guy that's giving you thirty some points on
fifty five percent shooting. Now listen, if Jokish wins the MVP,
I would not be disappointed because, like I said, he
(42:00):
is the best NBA player because he has no flaws.
He can play his pace, he can play minutes. He
shows up every night to work. His defense is great.
He's not a great on ball defender, but he's a
great team defender. As i Q makes up for that.
He knows how to cover his spots. He's not a
weak link. He's a champion. You're not picking on him
(42:21):
because he knows how to utilize his angles. You know,
he's a great defensive rebounder. He forces you to take
tough angers. You beat him every now and then. But
he's not a weak link. He's not a great defender.
But he's a championship level defender.
Speaker 1 (42:36):
So you got Denver as the favorite to win it. Yeah,
they're the champions, got Denver.
Speaker 2 (42:42):
Yes, I have Jokic at the best player.
Speaker 1 (42:44):
And this game started tonight.
Speaker 2 (42:47):
You who I had Denver?
Speaker 1 (42:53):
You had Denver before tonight?
Speaker 2 (42:54):
Yes, all right, yes, I have Denver have this is
a team that I believe is the best. Now I
said Boston. What did I say been saying about Boston.
Let's get to the playoffs and this is a game
like that. It's concerning right because you have Brown Golf
for forty, you have you have you have for singers.
They regarding him with small so he got the most
(43:17):
shots and he was inefficient.
Speaker 1 (43:18):
It looks like it's coming up on my feed now
he gonna have surgery. Yeah, so if he having surgery now,
a lot of shit can happen right now on the
West bro Minnesota.
Speaker 2 (43:35):
I think it's just bad for Anthony Edwards.
Speaker 1 (43:37):
Is just Minnesota.
Speaker 2 (43:39):
They haven't won a playoff series yet, so he got surgery.
Speaker 1 (43:42):
What does that mean to the Minnesota Minnesota Timberwolves moving forward?
Speaker 2 (43:46):
You think I think they can get out of here
with the first and second seed. But all that's gonna
mean yeah, because they did a great job.
Speaker 1 (43:54):
Okay, see is half a game behind second, Yeah, Denver
one game behind third, Clippers three games behind four.
Speaker 2 (44:05):
Well, I think it does Minnesota favor actually if they
go to third, because I think that the first and
second spot for them without Cat, they gonna end up
getting Golden State of Lakers, you know what I'm saying.
So they're not gonna be prepared for that without a
cat and they get out of here again in the
first round. If they can third, okay, they make better
(44:25):
matchup if they get third for the first round, they
make it, they.
Speaker 1 (44:29):
Get third, Like right now, third spot is seeing Phoenix
in the first round. So my question to you, you
think Minnesota, after all they did this year, this Minnesota
get out the first round this year, they gonna have
to see either if they go from one to two.
(44:51):
Two is gonna be like, oh, we're gonna see sack
Dallas go to State Lakers.
Speaker 2 (44:55):
How many games left in the season, so.
Speaker 1 (45:00):
There right now, twenty games left, nineteen twenty games.
Speaker 2 (45:04):
Yeah, that's a long haul for them.
Speaker 1 (45:07):
So they can drop in. If they dropped the like
third or fourth, fourth, you can end up seeing New
Orleans Phoenix sack.
Speaker 2 (45:17):
That's better for him.
Speaker 1 (45:19):
That's that's what they want the fourth.
Speaker 2 (45:22):
Right, Yeah, because I just think they can't beat the team.
They can't be a player like Lebron.
Speaker 1 (45:28):
You don't want to be in a home court advent
in situation in the first or second. That's crazy. I
got Minnesota not making up the first round with this
new news. Celtics man good.
Speaker 2 (45:42):
I told you they good. They got home court advantage.
They're gonna have court, home court advantage throughout the playoffs.
Can they be Milwaukee? They bill Milwaukee to have home
court advantage against Denver. They gotta come up, you know,
they gotta come strong. But I just think that Denver
just let them know that that we are are they
let the league know?
Speaker 1 (46:04):
Is that the finals preview?
Speaker 2 (46:06):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (46:10):
Hm, well there y'all have it. Shout out the Ja
Crow and Muhammad Al League, Shout out to all the
Smoke productions, Shout out to the Draft Kings Network. It's
that final lap, y'all. We're gonna see who really real
(46:32):
right now? Truth Lounge, make sure y'all tune in. Were
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