The Celtics are 1 win away from banner #18 and the TRUTH LOUNGE is on FIRE today! Paul Pierce and Jason Crowe preview NBA Finals game 4, debate if the Mavericks have ANY chance at winning even a game, and discuss if the Celtics have the best backcourt in the NBA! Plus, is it time to talk potential dynasty with this Boston team? How can the league catch up to them.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
All right, everybody, welcome to the truth. Flowers. This goddamn
series is over. I don't know what's going on.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Your gas is low.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
You probably only about fifty. It's three.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Oh, I guess I'm trying to do.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Yeah, so what you're saying? Game three? Luca clients to
the refs Kyrie thirty five sixty two? What more they't
gonna do? Now?
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Picked up the phone. They got more more efficient.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Come on, bro, you do not believe, but I believe.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
I believe. Luca's gotta get you one at home. He's
learning on the fly. The Celtics is extremely talented across
the board on both sides of them.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
The series is all right, this game, just this next game,
you have this met this next name.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Take everything out your account, give it.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
To me, and you're going, what game on game?
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Oh no, I can't bet right now that one. That's
what you said. The series, this game right, the series,
everything out the account.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
For some reason. Dallas is favorite by one, for some
reason by one. Uh, that could come down to a
Derek White three. Come on, it's gonna be something dramatic,
you know.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
About one that's a tricky Vegas.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Is trashy Vegas is.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
So that's just a Dallas win one basically, so the
money they want you to go ahead and bet. Listen, man,
I gotta believe Lucas going to upgrade himself as a
professional for the Naty.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
He did. He brought a fifth seed to the finals.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
For one game. He has to he has to come
out there and learn. He's been learning how to play
in this level. The athletes on Boston has given him
problems around the rim. He's not explosive. He's not finishing
in there at the rady needs to in the fourth quarter. Bro,
he's got to be he gotta he gotta get some help.
Can we get hardy?
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Let me tell you what the script saying. I got
this script writers. The scripts came in.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
What Kyrie gonna do?
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Kyrie did this script already.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
The scripts say said five five what That's what he
said when he left Boston Garden. He walked out.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Five see you for game five?
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Yeah, Kyrie? We called Kyrie last time he picked up.
He didn't get the job done. And again get over
the look.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
He didn't get them out.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
He's not finished yet. Same thing I told my kids,
wouldn't he gonna get it? I'm not finished hold up.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Oh, they're gonna script right here. No, it's just stare
from the NBA this week, Celtics in four Oh, they
got a flight to Vegas after the game. Are they
going to the Jervonte fight? Uh?
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Night and get my boss stuff that's going on, get
my boss and stuff. I still got it. And then
with you Sunday on that script if they're doing all that,
I'm with Boston Sunday.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
They fly with you parade on.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
I got some tatoes to day.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Oh okay, scriptwriters, don't lie, bro, I mean we know
what it is. I mean it's right there. They win,
they fly straight to Vegas private planes, Javonte fight back
home to Boston Sunday. Rest up for the parade either
Wednesday or Thursday. Everybody's off work. I'll be there. Duck
(03:20):
boats are getting gased right now. They're putting gas in
the duck boats right now.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
I'll tell you what I'm on. That's all I'm on.
Right now. I'm gonna keep like you said.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
I like it.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Your gas is very high. This is my gas right now.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
High five, oh, high five for Boston. Kyrie, Bro, Kyrie,
I love Kyrie. But he said he's coming back for
Game five. Yeah, and you believe that wholeheartedly. Convince you
they can beat the Celtics. So this is what I
(03:53):
want to know.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
They did. They got a good foot, They did a
lot to convince. They just haven't been able to be consistent.
Hold up, They've had some great runs. He has some
great moments. They shut Boston down for a nice stretch
in the game. That's the first time they put a
defensive south. So this we gotta do. We gotta get
Luca more rest. We gotta get Luca more rest in
this series. I think he's wearing down late. I think
(04:16):
you get him three to four minutes of rest and
let Kyrie get loose with that unit right there for
a little bit longer. I'm not saying too much, but
give Kyrie an additional three to four minutes to have
on the wheel so Luca can rest. That way, he's
not out there taking them cheap files, getting dizzy. He's injured,
he's he's tired, he's fighting.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Got We don't need to be talking Kyrie. Who's the
MVP of the Finals right now? Jayleen Brown.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Yeah, it's not even an ofference, buts about it. I mean,
last last game, he solidified himself with the with the
great shot making in the fourth quarter, creating shots at
Luca out, off moves.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Foul Luca out the last two files.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Yeah, all that's a factor.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
He's the most Is he the most underrated player in
the league.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
One hundred because he didn't make All NBA and so
his claim to that title is it has no peer.
He is the most underrated player in the league. But
you have you have listen this. This duo is starting
to make his point.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
Is this the best due in the league.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
This duo is starting to make this the best.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Duo in the league. Tatum and Brown.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Yes, I ain't know if it's about it. They planned
what we said was the best duo, and what we
said was wrong. That's why I.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Love to say that Kyrie and Luca was the best
offensive back court. Let's be specific.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Okay, I thought you said something. They said, well, this
is the best offensive over here because they offensive. What's
the best duo? Yeah, they're too big and strong for you.
That's it. With skill, that's it.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
And they both sides of the ball.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
They're too big and strong. They're beating stuff up. They
they drawn double teams, they making past Brown had thirty
eight and eight. Tatum near about had a triple double
one game one.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
When they say some Celtics win Brown or Tatum gets
m VP. This team sweeps down Less, they go sixteen
and two. Where do you see this team is like
an all time team? Is it up there?
Speaker 2 (06:23):
It's too early to call that right there, because it's all.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Early to call.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Well, well, no, it's too really to call. But it
is the right time for you to you being on
their side, obviously, it's your time to project that on them.
There's nothing wrong. I see what you own. What you
own is I mean statistically they're not there yet. That's
not do you mean because the team put a run
together so of winning it and then we look back
(06:49):
on women with their best right when you look at
the Celtics, said eighty six Celtics and they run. We
look at the Lakers. They're gonna tell you one of
they teams run.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
The Celtics team, as ever, went sixteen and two to
a title.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
We're not into that. It's a new day. There's a
lot of news today, a lot of different things. The
three point shot, the difference, the money, all this and
the competition. Yeah, I don't want to say the competition.
I'm just saying, it's just a new day with the
master saying like with the Master, like, yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
I don't know how many teams have went sixteen and two.
They haven't lost the role game. One other team in
NBA history, I believe, just didn't lose a role game
in the playoffs. I think it was a two thousand
Lakers something like that.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
This would be, this would be, this would be something.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
This team can match up with Kobe Shaq?
Speaker 2 (07:38):
This team can they match up with Kobe and Shaq?
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Would give my problem?
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Well, yeah, because we got to look at how The
reason how the Detroit Pistons did what they said is okay,
you got Kobe and Shack, we got five. We got five, right,
so y'all.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Killer, we got five legit dogs, dogs.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
We got so we win it three two on the matchup.
That's what they was looking at, if that's what they believed,
and then and then that's what and that's how you
do that. So I think this team right here, look
they have a shot. But let's see what they do.
They've been building they thing, I mean, they've been to
this territory or they're supposed to win against I hate
to say that I ain't gonna say that, but I
(08:20):
had them winning the Golden State Series. Curry was unbelievable.
He came, he had the higher calling that year. He
came and snatched what we thought was going to be
theirs right there. That was heartbreaking. And now they've been,
They've been there, they back and now those two looked unstoppable.
They look at a piece amongst themselves, you know, as
a unit, they just they flowing run.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
I mean, I look at them and the way they
built and I'm looking at like past dynasties, right, so
think about the dynasties. You had the Spurs dynasty and
how you know they went from almost there got there
over the top and they just because one. And then
I look at the Golden State dynasty. They were potential,
(09:04):
then they got over the top and they just kept
growing together. Can you see this kind of like the
semblance between the how they grew together, had heartache, just
like the Bulls. They grew together, had heartache, added some
pieces and they.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
Just what you have what you have on the Boston Celtics.
They have put together a team of real true basketballers.
What I mean by that is these guys are real
lovers of the game, of the competition, and that's the team.
Even with people like Pritchard and Houser and these guys,
(09:42):
this is a this is an energy that is that
is now back in Boston. That is everybody else is
now chasing.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
The US pretty young, but just the whole.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
Organization the building, right they got guys like you coming back.
They got everybody there. They got the energy.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
It's the culture.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
The culture of the Boston Celtics, the Lakers is not
like that. We over here, we don't know what to do.
We in turn what we don't have a coach Boston,
we group the culture is so killer. They had a
coach already there. We got our guy because we grooming everybody.
Everybody here is under development. It's motown over there. It's
artist development, it's trainer development. Our trainers are being watched efficiently.
(10:25):
How y'all doing the paint job in the room. Everything
is moving and being evaluated in that building right now.
And they have overtaken where the spurs culture heat culture,
it comes and it goes. But right now all those
teams are still premier, win or lost, right Boston even
don't win the season. But right now where Boston is
(10:46):
with their talent and their culture.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
This might be the most disrespected run all time.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Though.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
You know, when we start talking about all time teams
and you look, you look at the statistics some of
these receipts here it is the seats Celtics all time
offensive rating ever history, margin of victory season. I don't
(11:14):
let me read. You might be right, this might be
fifth ever. This might be a margin of victory got brown.
And then if they sweep where they.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Back court of all time.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Yeah, I've said that the best defensive all time.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
This is insane.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
I think so. I think they're the best backcourt in
the league right now. I mean, yeah, we're taking.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
It well a lot of times. It's crazy because it's
great players across you. So it leaves you so much
other duties that you just your your job is clear.
You just go out there and play play hard. They're
playing five out. Everybody likes to play that way, but
they don't have the the efficiency to play that way.
They're able to play it. Complain about the Boston Celtics
threes all right here, they go splash you get you
(12:04):
out of here, which that was the key to the
game three lead, right was open shooting. Dallas tried to
up to Annie and somebody just told just asked me this, right,
somebody posed this question, what is the hardest action to
guard in basketball? These coaches they thinking isolation has always
been the hardest thing in the guard. It compromises your defense.
(12:27):
So that's the hardest action to guard. The Celtics have
everybody that they can put in isolation except for Horford,
and they'll put him in there if you're too small
and you switch. But everybody else can play as an
out of isolation situations and win and compromise the defense.
And then everybody out there can shoot once that play
(12:47):
has been made. It's not one player out there that
can't shoot the ball at a high clip. Once you
make a play. You know, other teams they gonna have
three shooters. One guy's in there at the dunkers. Nobody's
in the dunkers. Maybe Holiday throws you off, White White Holiday,
they'll slip to the dunkers on you, they'll.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
Cut it and they hit the short dugger shot or
finish at the rim.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
Come on, the bigs are spread. So now with how
they get to the dunkers, there's no bigs to continue.
Man this offense and this team right here on offense
and defense. Yeah, I mean, we got so many names
and so many great names played on teams, but I'm
not gonna knock these guys as a great team. Forget
about the path and all that. Just look at the
talent assemble and how they play. Yeah, it's hard to
(13:29):
beat them consistently because they can have an off shooting game,
but they can pick it up on defense. On your behind.
They playing some real defense right here. What I mean,
what was the final score? Game three?
Speaker 1 (13:40):
They've held the Mavericks under one hundred and three straight games.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
For the whole entirety of the series in a scoring league.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
In a league that on average scoring was about.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Thought Minnesota was a number one defense, right, So that's
what I'm saying. I don't like these numbers. I like
the see what I'm on the floor because they came
in there and Kyrie and them had no issues. But
this length and this switch and everybody being able to
bump and be physical with him and all that kind
of stuff. Like the playoffs. One thing I'm gonna say too,
and we talk about Luca with the complaining, is like
(14:14):
Boston's not really complaining like that. I'm watching them get pushed.
I watched Kyrie push push a Tatum on the switch
on the dunk, push back, yeah, no call, We're getting back,
getting back, you know, Tatum push Luca you miss. We
all know what it is. We grew up playing twenty
one no file. You gotta make the shot, and Boston
(14:37):
is just more stable on that right now. This is
a great team.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
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right now by joining Wondery Plus. The narrative surrounding the
Celtics is, oh, you know, first round they play Miami,
no Jimmy Butler. Second round, Donovan Mitchell goes down. Third
round Halliburton, Sweet Indiana for to one, Miami for one
(16:30):
to Cleveland. So the narrative it's like, oh, they ain't
play nobody. But Dallas, on the other hand, beats three
to fifty win teams, toughest road. They beat Clippers, number
four seed, and by the way, Dallas had home court
in none of those series. So you beat Clippers, you
(16:51):
beat Okay, see you beat Minnesota. Now you're coming too
this series, Like, oh, well, Celtics ain't playing nobody. Dallas
to beat three to fifty win teams oh Dallas, they gonna,
they gonna. Celtics ain't been tested. They can't bet Dallas.
That was the whole narrative. So now if the Celtics
sweet Dallas, what's the narrative now? Like you a chip?
Speaker 2 (17:14):
I mean.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
These narratives because Moss has been the best team from start.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
But these narratives are just you can't have one bad
game in the series, like you can have one bad game.
The narratives were off, like the whole thing, even like
the bubble narrative is off. Okay, Lebron lived in a
better hotel than everybody. That's what y'all gonna say. He whooped,
(17:40):
y'all ass he was in there with y'all. Y'all couldn't hoop.
It's hoops. He won the chip. We're here to win
the chip. All these narratives. I'm the champion Dog, I'm
the champion of Mickey Mouse, of Disneyland, of Magic Mountain,
University Studios, all that, I'm the champ Rogers, part, Dorry Park,
this part, this is Elementary World, all that. We'll play there,
(18:04):
line them up, whatever y'all want to do. We was
all there. We hoped for this season. We all went
this thing. If you couldn't get your room assimilated like mine,
to get your comfort zone, you wasn't bothered like me.
And if you that's what it was. Yeah, we saw
we saw the real ballers come out.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Dude was in there.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Listen, every chip is hard. I get it what you're
saying to me. I just don't subscribe to that. Because
to win a championship, like you said, the Dominoes fall
in their order, because now you want to say they
had a hard road, Well, they got to beat the West.
They gotta beat the Western champion to be the total champions.
So the Western knocked off all the Dominoes. We got
the mvap law.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
I mean, I think right now they just so much
had his shoulders better than every Like this is like
giving me Golden State with the rant vibes, like when
the Rent went there and everybody was like it's.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
Sober teams would with Bill us so just too much talent, Bro,
you just come up to the league like this probably
just probably you did get the script from Boston. Boston
is time for number eighteen. We're gonna throw you Drew.
You know what just throwing for zingis too. They already
got two of the top players. They got the best.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Nobody was like, oh, that's not gonna be a good fit.
Oh he won't bet he won't play well. There all this,
there's so much stuff that they should have kept Marcus Smart.
It was all of that said. I remember, like, damn.
I was like damn, or I love Markus Smart Devins play.
I re feel like Drew was an upgrade, liked everybody.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Thought that Marcus Smart was Drew Holliday.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
No, but Drew Holliday is Drew Holliday. Bro. He didn't
he a champ. He a potential Hall of Famer, like experience,
like and his i Q off the charts.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
Smart would have got that chip and he would have
been Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
It didn't happen.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. So it's it's the game.
But Celtics doing their thing.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Man, I just think we enjoyed us run by them
and let's see, let's let's just see.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
We're there because everybody's under contract and this is the
flow of a young team. The league has already you know,
you have watched this playout with great teams before. We
haven't seen a situation. They're set up like almost like
the Heat were with that run with Lebron where they
was contractingly all together. It's what they've been trying to
(20:32):
get going with the Clippers. They've been trying to get
the same thing going with Kawhi and Paul George, with
this duo, this backcourt, and then they're.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
All, what's the ideal team right now that you can
see in the NBA that you see all right? They
match up with the Celtics, well, den beat them twice,
Denver beat them twice this season. Milwaukee, I don't see Milwaukee.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
I don't. Well, Milwaukee puts out there with a guard
like Dame who we got.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
The m v P and Greek in Greek freak though
he can turn it up, will be on the level.
But he my physicality. See that's what Luca's doing. They can't.
Luca can't physically wear on these guys. And that's the
difference with Boston got lucas See Luca wears on everybody
else physically. He's laughing. He ain't laughing at these dudes.
These dudes ain't gotten the weight room and them they
(21:27):
not Luca big dog. I've seen Luca look up close.
He's huge, shoulders all that now these dudes in Boston,
they're not letting him have his way physically, especially not
in that fourth quarter. They're standing up to it, and
that's giving him some problems. And that's what I'm saying
about Greek freak. Greek Freak is gonna.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Be another level physical problem for the next few years.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
What's all depending on him and Lillard being on the
same page. Lily got he was hot and cold, trying
to adjust.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
So let's look about Philly.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
I don't trust the problem, says.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
That you're not tweet from embiid. He said the Milwaukee
Bucks pretty much gave the Celtics the championship, insinuating that, well,
wasn't it Portland.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
Well, he said that Milwaukee was Portland though, but they
knew that. They was figuring like you just threw Drew
Holliday in if Portland didn't won him.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
So you're said Portland gave something's the championship.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
They saying Milwaukee did by doing the trade instructure like
that and not being smart enough to keep.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
But then you got Damon Lillard, bro, like you got both.
You got Dame.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Lillard and Andrew Holliday.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
No, you wanted to.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Well, I don't think this is just more.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
The way constructed is like listening to this, so listen
to this. If Drew Holliday was all Milwaukee still instead
of uh, David Lillard. I don't think that contenders like
I love Drew because now all right, let's say look
at then listen to me. So who's gonna help the
(23:10):
scoring load over there? Like you got that's what I say,
Greek freak? And then Middleton ain't really been the same.
He ain't been twenty plus player no more so. He
more like a fifteen sixteen. So now you're putting pressure
on Drew to be the second league scorer. I think
his role, what it is right now with the Celtics
is the perfect role, the perfect role. It sort of
(23:33):
reminds me of like that Dennis Johnson role.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
Drew Holliday is perfect for him.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Like you know what I'm saying, Like he ain't the
best player, but he's probably the most important outside of
your stars, outside of your.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
Stars, the most important.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you gotta you gotta you look, it's
like your stars is in places. Yeah, but as certain
role players, it's just like like Dennis Johnson, guys, said
Larry Bird said Dennis Johnson was the best player he's
ever played.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
Well, he was a finals m v P listen, he
was a finals.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
MVP of subject Maxwell. Okay, okay, but I'm saying that
Dennis Johnson, despite these other Hall of famers he played with,
was the best player he's ever played with.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
Because he gave him the ball bear than everybody.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
So that's what I'm saying is that's my buddy, like
like my best friend in that category, though.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
Not really because Greek Freak was off it. He was like,
all right, just let's move on. So nobody's saying that
about him.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Holidays hall of Famer six times.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
You got to tell I'm not going to you gotta
say you in there. I'm not. That's a high level jew.
Holliday is one of l A's finings.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
I think he's a Hall of Famers.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
Yeah, well you give him the node. I'm gonna rollin
because he's one of LA's finans.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
I think he's in.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
His career and the way he goes about his game.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
So now is when it's all said done, that Drew's
a Hall of Famer. Tatum is projecting us Hall of Famer.
Brown is projecting us Hall of Famer. So now if
when we look back, we're gonna be like, well, they
got three Hall of Famers, This could be one of
the greatest teams ever, you know what I'm saying. Like now, Harvard,
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he could potentially be a Hall of Famer. Yeah, now
if we say they got four Hall of Famers, it's
gonna be some conversations about this team. So what can
the MAVs learn from this experience? Well, once you go
through a playoff run, you have an understanding of the
path and the mindset and how to be ready for circumstances.
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You know what I'm saying. You're no longer going on
the road in hostile territory like Ronald, because you've done it.
Now you know you didn't get over the top of
the finals. But the path, when you take certain paths,
you learn from it. So now when they get in
a situation and like like Maths had to go on
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the road every series. So now if they're the seventh
a seed, they used to being on the road in
the first round. They're a team going on A few
teams can say, oh, so we know the type of
math I'm just saying, we.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
Have the it's graz.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
No but I'm just saying, like, what they can learn
from this, They can want to.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
Learn that if we the A seed were good, we're
in the player now.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Yeah, but they're the fifth seed. But they can learn
to like.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
No, I think this is what role players improving and
continue to improve themselves is going to factor in because
guys like Washington, those guys can still get better. Those
guys can probably I hear you talking about Luca has
to change his style. One you change your style is
your teammates are able to do more things. So now
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you trust PJ. Washington to play out of closeouts, now
earlier in the clock, and now Luca gets the ball
later in the clock too on a catch because PJ, PJ. Washington,
Gafford Lively, they got experience, they get stronger, they get better,
they get smarter, They're able to handle double teams from
Luke and Kyrie Bird Like. I think some of these
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things because it just gets harder, right, And what they
fac him with the Celtics with the Ultimate defensive tests.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
To the finals next year, that's constructed.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Yeah, I don't see why not they have. They have
a guy that we think is one of the best
players in the game. He's the first team you have.
You have playing with him, You have a young team
of athletes, are getting better, get better. We don't got
to get better, We got to get better. In turn,
they got to get better as individuals. They got to
get some bench players.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
They got to get better. You're a five seed, you
got lucky, bro.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Yeah, but they made the trade at the midway points,
so they was able to You gotta look at how
they finished so because they was out and if you
look at how they finished to where they are now.
So when they got this team together, they was in
the play in on the way out and now they
made to the finals. With this group, they trended in
the right direction. So they got to get better. Luca
got to get better, right, Kyrie's Kyrie. He's gonna be
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more in tune, more helping his team. But in the
first first series against that team, he'll study that he'll
be better prepared. Like you said, that's that. I think
he goes to what you said because you're talking in
terms of the great player that's on your level. I'm
thinking in terms of organizationally, in terms of what they
how they have a real chance because I like what
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they did when they made these moves, you know, and
Nico Harrison and everybody at the organization the moves that
they made to where they are now from that point.
So I'm just grading them from there. So now the Celtics,
they got a chance to close this out. You were
in a two three two series with the Lakers two
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thousand and eight, so you guys had the home court
Game five, You got a chance to close this thing out.
One up, three one you you like, what was the
mentality going into that game for the close out? Right,
because this is what Boston is getting ready to do?
And then how did you how did you regroup coming
(29:25):
back for game six?
Speaker 1 (29:27):
You would know the mentality. Well, the mentality was we
had forty bottles of more ready, We had a club reservation,
we had dinner reservations. We was trying. Everything got canceled.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
It was we was see I was in two thousand
and ten. We can't never close the.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
Deal in Laded.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
Everything is castled this.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
Urgency because I think I had, like I was thirty
six or thirty eight that game, I was ready to close.
I had I was envisioning the champagne, the club, the dinner, everything.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
Just pop your motivation you see his motivation. I was
ready his motivation right there.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
I was ready. I was like, oh we got the bottles.
We got cracking in La who don't want to win
it in l A and party that night? Then bounce.
I was like, oh, so what happened? I was going
for the wind, I remembering the bottle. No, I don't
know what happened to the bottles? Stood this day? What
y'all eat? So? What the dinner? We went home? Got
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what you mean? We went to the hotel, went to
sleep and left the next day. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
We still got to eat, so we canceled dinner. Champagne.
Gotta go. I get that water restaurant with some steak
for these guys.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
Eating at the hotel. Now we went from out at
the roottop something at the rooftop hotel.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
Here you go, guys.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
I was sick read, but I remember, like I wanted.
I was. I was like play. It was like we
was down too. We was down to under a minute
and me and kg picking roll working all series. I'm
telling you, I will never forget this. And you know
me and Kobe guard each other. He guarded me. I
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come off the pick and Paulus saw us playing off
the pick all night long, and I'm like, in my head,
I'm like, I'm coming off this damn thing and I'm
about to fire this three win or lose. I'm going
for the win. Ain't no overtime. I had it already scripted.
I had the script. Kobe reached around, locked the ball away.
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It could have been a foul. It was a foul,
but I wasn't looking at it as a foul. You know.
It was like, you know, we was at that time,
how the NBA was. We ain't crying about that he
hit my hand. I was like, damn, you know. It
wasn't no like that's how the game was played. We
wasn't God so pound they let you get away with
that type of stuff because I was doing the same thing.
But I swear to you, I was ready to come
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off that pick and I was gonna fire. That's all
I was thinking about. I was cold blood.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
Kobe said, no, man, I'm telling you doing that.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
Oh yeah, he did, And then they knocked it away
and he went down.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
Down no champagne over.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
I don't know where it went to this day.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
The moral of the story, but the mindset, the chance
to be a hero.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
And then we went home. I was like, you know what,
We're gonna beat the ship out of them.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
So what happened? So you in the hotel?
Speaker 1 (32:32):
I don't remember all of that. After that, I remember.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
Blackout, So now here we come. We're gonna beat the
ship out of them. Young.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
We gonna beat the ship y'all. Now you know what,
So y'all didn't want us to party like, we're gonna
beat the ship out of y'all. Went back home, beat
them by forty.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
Did you get any extra shots up? Or was it
just like no, I'm ready.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
I don't remember like that was we flew home and
this the next day.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
And kicking with the family.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
I think we just was like I mean, once you
get to like.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
Chop it up, like we ain't having this tonight.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
Yeah. I think we was like, man, yeah, we was like, man,
we waved.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
I wasn't gambled on that plane right now.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
I don't know. We probably was. We didn't. We didn't
change for nobody. We thought we let that game go.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
Man. No, Champagne, that's what I heard you saying that
the Champagne will be five. He was having flash back.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
No, I doubt if we gambled. I do I doubt
if we gambled, we probably was quiet.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
Nobody in the mood for that, right.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
Was in the mood for that. Nobody was in the
mood for that. Right now we're not because we left
the next day. We don't that night.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
Yeah, that silly stuff. Now that's the new day. We
got time for that. Have we been in the energy
mode of the game. Gambled just to kind of like
shake it off.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
The next day we was off. It was quiet.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
Flight home?
Speaker 1 (33:44):
Who you got the selfs closed?
Speaker 2 (33:48):
Kyrie at the garden.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
They're gonna fly three hours to get confettie poured on
their head.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
Yeah, that's gonna be a sa He needs to win
one game, he's.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
So they want to fly twelve or thirteen straighted balls
on the head.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
Kyrie is right now, he's pouring sage over Luca.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
All right, So he's getting Luca set Kyrie Celtics swing
game four.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
You said selis five.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
Well, I just got the script. The NBA sent the script.
Do you want to you.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
Know how Kyrie? He don't agree, Kyrie don't agree with
none of that.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
Luca goes off in the press conference. Kyrie demand's trade.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
Oh no Celtics, ain't the script?
Speaker 1 (34:33):
Fly to Vegas, Gervonte fight.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
Pool, party house, Hey, look check it out.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
Then they go Game five to Crazy Girl back yard
of my house, crazy Girl party, then flight home games
Sunday okay, then Monday off everybody, Wednesday party at the crib.
Then you want to hear this crip Taco party at
the crib.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
Game about game five? We're gonna watch the championship. So
you think, absolutely not, Boston's gonna win on Monday. Taco party.
So taco Monday. You don't got to be.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
Crazy girls? Uh a little gambling again.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
Uh Okayna gonna walk by that that champagne. He's gonna
be like this, hold that. I'll be back. I'll be back.
We let my family get that next game.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
There's the script, y'all. I got the script right here.
So I don't know what he's talking about. With the NBA,
everything is scripted. So well, you bet your money on,
bet your money on Dallas for Friday one game since
you got him so tough. One game, one game you
want to bet, you bet something, bet twenty five up
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about No? All right, I do that.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
That's my time, man. I want to give us out
to you. Man, you know what I'm saying, and honor
you today. I WoT my Rick James shirt, Rick James, Yeah,
I'm Rick. I'm Paul Pierce. I'm Paul Pierce.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
Shake that.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
Rick James. Now. It's been a great year man, the controversial,
ever so talented, every so gifted, My homie. Man, you've
been You've been on the road. Man, You've been working
your butt off on these shows. You've been really getting
the energy back in Boston going. You've been working with
the Young team. You're back on Undisputed, telling the story,
telling everybody what's going on in the hoop world.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
We got the truth, we got the track.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
Lowns you, you and h you when you and Ticket
doing your thing. You know your chemistry is off the
charts everything you're doing, so we gotta salute that right now.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
Man, my dog you having But y'all know Celtic sweet Hey,
y'all gonna catch me at these dug boats next week.
Already got mine lined up. They sold out, So you know,
I don't know what to tell you. I don't got
no more rule. Catch us next week. Got the parade though,
now you have it, the true flaps Jed crow, you're
gonna see. It's gonna baby. We like that baby. They
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not like us. They not like us.
All right, everybody, welcome to the truth. Flowers. This goddamn
series is over. I don't know what's going on.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Your gas is low.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
You probably only about fifty. It's three.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Oh, I guess I'm trying to do.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Yeah, so what you're saying? Game three? Luca clients to
the refs Kyrie thirty five sixty two? What more they't
gonna do? Now?
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Picked up the phone. They got more more efficient.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Come on, bro, you do not believe, but I believe.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
I believe. Luca's gotta get you one at home. He's
learning on the fly. The Celtics is extremely talented across
the board on both sides of them.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
The series is all right, this game, just this next game,
you have this met this next name.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Take everything out your account, give it.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
To me, and you're going, what game on game?
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Oh no, I can't bet right now that one. That's
what you said. The series, this game right, the series,
everything out the account.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
For some reason. Dallas is favorite by one, for some
reason by one. Uh, that could come down to a
Derek White three. Come on, it's gonna be something dramatic,
you know.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
About one that's a tricky Vegas.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Is trashy Vegas is.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
So that's just a Dallas win one basically, so the
money they want you to go ahead and bet. Listen, man,
I gotta believe Lucas going to upgrade himself as a
professional for the Naty.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
He did. He brought a fifth seed to the finals.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
For one game. He has to he has to come
out there and learn. He's been learning how to play
in this level. The athletes on Boston has given him
problems around the rim. He's not explosive. He's not finishing
in there at the rady needs to in the fourth quarter. Bro,
he's got to be he gotta he gotta get some help.
Can we get hardy?
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Let me tell you what the script saying. I got
this script writers. The scripts came in.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
What Kyrie gonna do?
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Kyrie did this script already.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
The scripts say said five five what That's what he
said when he left Boston Garden. He walked out.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Five see you for game five?
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Yeah, Kyrie? We called Kyrie last time he picked up.
He didn't get the job done. And again get over
the look.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
He didn't get them out.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
He's not finished yet. Same thing I told my kids,
wouldn't he gonna get it? I'm not finished hold up.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Oh, they're gonna script right here. No, it's just stare
from the NBA this week, Celtics in four Oh, they
got a flight to Vegas after the game. Are they
going to the Jervonte fight? Uh?
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Night and get my boss stuff that's going on, get
my boss and stuff. I still got it. And then
with you Sunday on that script if they're doing all that,
I'm with Boston Sunday.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
They fly with you parade on.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
I got some tatoes to day.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Oh okay, scriptwriters, don't lie, bro, I mean we know
what it is. I mean it's right there. They win,
they fly straight to Vegas private planes, Javonte fight back
home to Boston Sunday. Rest up for the parade either
Wednesday or Thursday. Everybody's off work. I'll be there. Duck
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boats are getting gased right now. They're putting gas in
the duck boats right now.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
I'll tell you what I'm on. That's all I'm on.
Right now. I'm gonna keep like you said.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
I like it.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Your gas is very high. This is my gas right now.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
High five, oh, high five for Boston. Kyrie, Bro, Kyrie,
I love Kyrie. But he said he's coming back for
Game five. Yeah, and you believe that wholeheartedly. Convince you
they can beat the Celtics. So this is what I
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want to know.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
They did. They got a good foot, They did a
lot to convince. They just haven't been able to be consistent.
Hold up, They've had some great runs. He has some
great moments. They shut Boston down for a nice stretch
in the game. That's the first time they put a
defensive south. So this we gotta do. We gotta get
Luca more rest. We gotta get Luca more rest in
this series. I think he's wearing down late. I think
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you get him three to four minutes of rest and
let Kyrie get loose with that unit right there for
a little bit longer. I'm not saying too much, but
give Kyrie an additional three to four minutes to have
on the wheel so Luca can rest. That way, he's
not out there taking them cheap files, getting dizzy. He's injured,
he's he's tired, he's fighting.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Got We don't need to be talking Kyrie. Who's the
MVP of the Finals right now? Jayleen Brown.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Yeah, it's not even an ofference, buts about it. I mean,
last last game, he solidified himself with the with the
great shot making in the fourth quarter, creating shots at
Luca out, off moves.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Foul Luca out the last two files.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Yeah, all that's a factor.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
He's the most Is he the most underrated player in
the league.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
One hundred because he didn't make All NBA and so
his claim to that title is it has no peer.
He is the most underrated player in the league. But
you have you have listen this. This duo is starting
to make his point.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
Is this the best due in the league.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
This duo is starting to make this the best.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Duo in the league. Tatum and Brown.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Yes, I ain't know if it's about it. They planned
what we said was the best duo, and what we
said was wrong. That's why I.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Love to say that Kyrie and Luca was the best
offensive back court. Let's be specific.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Okay, I thought you said something. They said, well, this
is the best offensive over here because they offensive. What's
the best duo? Yeah, they're too big and strong for you.
That's it. With skill, that's it.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
And they both sides of the ball.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
They're too big and strong. They're beating stuff up. They
they drawn double teams, they making past Brown had thirty
eight and eight. Tatum near about had a triple double
one game one.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
When they say some Celtics win Brown or Tatum gets
m VP. This team sweeps down Less, they go sixteen
and two. Where do you see this team is like
an all time team? Is it up there?
Speaker 2 (06:23):
It's too early to call that right there, because it's all.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Early to call.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Well, well, no, it's too really to call. But it
is the right time for you to you being on
their side, obviously, it's your time to project that on them.
There's nothing wrong. I see what you own. What you
own is I mean statistically they're not there yet. That's
not do you mean because the team put a run
together so of winning it and then we look back
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on women with their best right when you look at
the Celtics, said eighty six Celtics and they run. We
look at the Lakers. They're gonna tell you one of
they teams run.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
The Celtics team, as ever, went sixteen and two to
a title.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
We're not into that. It's a new day. There's a
lot of news today, a lot of different things. The
three point shot, the difference, the money, all this and
the competition. Yeah, I don't want to say the competition.
I'm just saying, it's just a new day with the
master saying like with the Master, like, yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
I don't know how many teams have went sixteen and two.
They haven't lost the role game. One other team in
NBA history, I believe, just didn't lose a role game
in the playoffs. I think it was a two thousand
Lakers something like that.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
This would be, this would be, this would be something.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
This team can match up with Kobe Shaq?
Speaker 2 (07:38):
This team can they match up with Kobe and Shaq?
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Would give my problem?
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Well, yeah, because we got to look at how The
reason how the Detroit Pistons did what they said is okay,
you got Kobe and Shack, we got five. We got five, right,
so y'all.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Killer, we got five legit dogs, dogs.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
We got so we win it three two on the matchup.
That's what they was looking at, if that's what they believed,
and then and then that's what and that's how you
do that. So I think this team right here, look
they have a shot. But let's see what they do.
They've been building they thing, I mean, they've been to
this territory or they're supposed to win against I hate
to say that I ain't gonna say that, but I
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had them winning the Golden State Series. Curry was unbelievable.
He came, he had the higher calling that year. He
came and snatched what we thought was going to be
theirs right there. That was heartbreaking. And now they've been,
They've been there, they back and now those two looked unstoppable.
They look at a piece amongst themselves, you know, as
a unit, they just they flowing run.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
I mean, I look at them and the way they
built and I'm looking at like past dynasties, right, so
think about the dynasties. You had the Spurs dynasty and
how you know they went from almost there got there
over the top and they just because one. And then
I look at the Golden State dynasty. They were potential,
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then they got over the top and they just kept
growing together. Can you see this kind of like the
semblance between the how they grew together, had heartache, just
like the Bulls. They grew together, had heartache, added some
pieces and they.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
Just what you have what you have on the Boston Celtics.
They have put together a team of real true basketballers.
What I mean by that is these guys are real
lovers of the game, of the competition, and that's the team.
Even with people like Pritchard and Houser and these guys,
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this is a this is an energy that is that
is now back in Boston. That is everybody else is
now chasing.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
The US pretty young, but just the whole.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
Organization the building, right they got guys like you coming back.
They got everybody there. They got the energy.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
It's the culture.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
The culture of the Boston Celtics, the Lakers is not
like that. We over here, we don't know what to do.
We in turn what we don't have a coach Boston,
we group the culture is so killer. They had a
coach already there. We got our guy because we grooming everybody.
Everybody here is under development. It's motown over there. It's
artist development, it's trainer development. Our trainers are being watched efficiently.
(10:25):
How y'all doing the paint job in the room. Everything
is moving and being evaluated in that building right now.
And they have overtaken where the spurs culture heat culture,
it comes and it goes. But right now all those
teams are still premier, win or lost, right Boston even
don't win the season. But right now where Boston is
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with their talent and their culture.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
This might be the most disrespected run all time.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Though.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
You know, when we start talking about all time teams
and you look, you look at the statistics some of
these receipts here it is the seats Celtics all time
offensive rating ever history, margin of victory season. I don't
(11:14):
let me read. You might be right, this might be
fifth ever. This might be a margin of victory got brown.
And then if they sweep where they.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Back court of all time.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Yeah, I've said that the best defensive all time.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
This is insane.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
I think so. I think they're the best backcourt in
the league right now. I mean, yeah, we're taking.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
It well a lot of times. It's crazy because it's
great players across you. So it leaves you so much
other duties that you just your your job is clear.
You just go out there and play play hard. They're
playing five out. Everybody likes to play that way, but
they don't have the the efficiency to play that way.
They're able to play it. Complain about the Boston Celtics
threes all right here, they go splash you get you
(12:04):
out of here, which that was the key to the
game three lead, right was open shooting. Dallas tried to
up to Annie and somebody just told just asked me this, right,
somebody posed this question, what is the hardest action to
guard in basketball? These coaches they thinking isolation has always
been the hardest thing in the guard. It compromises your defense.
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So that's the hardest action to guard. The Celtics have
everybody that they can put in isolation except for Horford,
and they'll put him in there if you're too small
and you switch. But everybody else can play as an
out of isolation situations and win and compromise the defense.
And then everybody out there can shoot once that play
(12:47):
has been made. It's not one player out there that
can't shoot the ball at a high clip. Once you
make a play. You know, other teams they gonna have
three shooters. One guy's in there at the dunkers. Nobody's
in the dunkers. Maybe Holiday throws you off, White White Holiday,
they'll slip to the dunkers on you, they'll.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
Cut it and they hit the short dugger shot or
finish at the rim.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
Come on, the bigs are spread. So now with how
they get to the dunkers, there's no bigs to continue.
Man this offense and this team right here on offense
and defense. Yeah, I mean, we got so many names
and so many great names played on teams, but I'm
not gonna knock these guys as a great team. Forget
about the path and all that. Just look at the
talent assemble and how they play. Yeah, it's hard to
(13:29):
beat them consistently because they can have an off shooting game,
but they can pick it up on defense. On your behind.
They playing some real defense right here. What I mean,
what was the final score? Game three?
Speaker 1 (13:40):
They've held the Mavericks under one hundred and three straight games.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
For the whole entirety of the series in a scoring league.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
In a league that on average scoring was about.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Thought Minnesota was a number one defense, right, So that's
what I'm saying. I don't like these numbers. I like
the see what I'm on the floor because they came
in there and Kyrie and them had no issues. But
this length and this switch and everybody being able to
bump and be physical with him and all that kind
of stuff. Like the playoffs. One thing I'm gonna say too,
and we talk about Luca with the complaining, is like
(14:14):
Boston's not really complaining like that. I'm watching them get pushed.
I watched Kyrie push push a Tatum on the switch
on the dunk, push back, yeah, no call, We're getting back,
getting back, you know, Tatum push Luca you miss. We
all know what it is. We grew up playing twenty
one no file. You gotta make the shot, and Boston
(14:37):
is just more stable on that right now. This is
a great team.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
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right now by joining Wondery Plus. The narrative surrounding the
Celtics is, oh, you know, first round they play Miami,
no Jimmy Butler. Second round, Donovan Mitchell goes down. Third
round Halliburton, Sweet Indiana for to one, Miami for one
(16:30):
to Cleveland. So the narrative it's like, oh, they ain't
play nobody. But Dallas, on the other hand, beats three
to fifty win teams, toughest road. They beat Clippers, number
four seed, and by the way, Dallas had home court
in none of those series. So you beat Clippers, you
(16:51):
beat Okay, see you beat Minnesota. Now you're coming too
this series, Like, oh, well, Celtics ain't playing nobody. Dallas
to beat three to fifty win teams oh Dallas, they gonna,
they gonna. Celtics ain't been tested. They can't bet Dallas.
That was the whole narrative. So now if the Celtics
sweet Dallas, what's the narrative now? Like you a chip?
Speaker 2 (17:14):
I mean.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
These narratives because Moss has been the best team from start.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
But these narratives are just you can't have one bad
game in the series, like you can have one bad game.
The narratives were off, like the whole thing, even like
the bubble narrative is off. Okay, Lebron lived in a
better hotel than everybody. That's what y'all gonna say. He whooped,
(17:40):
y'all ass he was in there with y'all. Y'all couldn't hoop.
It's hoops. He won the chip. We're here to win
the chip. All these narratives. I'm the champion Dog, I'm
the champion of Mickey Mouse, of Disneyland, of Magic Mountain,
University Studios, all that, I'm the champ Rogers, part, Dorry Park,
this part, this is Elementary World, all that. We'll play there,
(18:04):
line them up, whatever y'all want to do. We was
all there. We hoped for this season. We all went
this thing. If you couldn't get your room assimilated like mine,
to get your comfort zone, you wasn't bothered like me.
And if you that's what it was. Yeah, we saw
we saw the real ballers come out.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Dude was in there.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Listen, every chip is hard. I get it what you're
saying to me. I just don't subscribe to that. Because
to win a championship, like you said, the Dominoes fall
in their order, because now you want to say they
had a hard road, Well, they got to beat the West.
They gotta beat the Western champion to be the total champions.
So the Western knocked off all the Dominoes. We got
the mvap law.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
I mean, I think right now they just so much
had his shoulders better than every Like this is like
giving me Golden State with the rant vibes, like when
the Rent went there and everybody was like it's.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
Sober teams would with Bill us so just too much talent, Bro,
you just come up to the league like this probably
just probably you did get the script from Boston. Boston
is time for number eighteen. We're gonna throw you Drew.
You know what just throwing for zingis too. They already
got two of the top players. They got the best.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Nobody was like, oh, that's not gonna be a good fit.
Oh he won't bet he won't play well. There all this,
there's so much stuff that they should have kept Marcus Smart.
It was all of that said. I remember, like, damn.
I was like damn, or I love Markus Smart Devins play.
I re feel like Drew was an upgrade, liked everybody.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Thought that Marcus Smart was Drew Holliday.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
No, but Drew Holliday is Drew Holliday. Bro. He didn't
he a champ. He a potential Hall of Famer, like experience,
like and his i Q off the charts.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
Smart would have got that chip and he would have
been Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
It didn't happen.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. So it's it's the game.
But Celtics doing their thing.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Man, I just think we enjoyed us run by them
and let's see, let's let's just see.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
We're there because everybody's under contract and this is the
flow of a young team. The league has already you know,
you have watched this playout with great teams before. We
haven't seen a situation. They're set up like almost like
the Heat were with that run with Lebron where they
was contractingly all together. It's what they've been trying to
(20:32):
get going with the Clippers. They've been trying to get
the same thing going with Kawhi and Paul George, with
this duo, this backcourt, and then they're.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
All, what's the ideal team right now that you can
see in the NBA that you see all right? They
match up with the Celtics, well, den beat them twice,
Denver beat them twice this season. Milwaukee, I don't see Milwaukee.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
I don't. Well, Milwaukee puts out there with a guard
like Dame who we got.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
The m v P and Greek in Greek freak though
he can turn it up, will be on the level.
But he my physicality. See that's what Luca's doing. They can't.
Luca can't physically wear on these guys. And that's the
difference with Boston got lucas See Luca wears on everybody
else physically. He's laughing. He ain't laughing at these dudes.
These dudes ain't gotten the weight room and them they
(21:27):
not Luca big dog. I've seen Luca look up close.
He's huge, shoulders all that now these dudes in Boston,
they're not letting him have his way physically, especially not
in that fourth quarter. They're standing up to it, and
that's giving him some problems. And that's what I'm saying
about Greek freak. Greek Freak is gonna.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Be another level physical problem for the next few years.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
What's all depending on him and Lillard being on the
same page. Lily got he was hot and cold, trying
to adjust.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
So let's look about Philly.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
I don't trust the problem, says.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
That you're not tweet from embiid. He said the Milwaukee
Bucks pretty much gave the Celtics the championship, insinuating that, well,
wasn't it Portland.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
Well, he said that Milwaukee was Portland though, but they
knew that. They was figuring like you just threw Drew
Holliday in if Portland didn't won him.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
So you're said Portland gave something's the championship.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
They saying Milwaukee did by doing the trade instructure like
that and not being smart enough to keep.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
But then you got Damon Lillard, bro, like you got both.
You got Dame.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Lillard and Andrew Holliday.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
No, you wanted to.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Well, I don't think this is just more.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
The way constructed is like listening to this, so listen
to this. If Drew Holliday was all Milwaukee still instead
of uh, David Lillard. I don't think that contenders like
I love Drew because now all right, let's say look
at then listen to me. So who's gonna help the
(23:10):
scoring load over there? Like you got that's what I say,
Greek freak? And then Middleton ain't really been the same.
He ain't been twenty plus player no more so. He
more like a fifteen sixteen. So now you're putting pressure
on Drew to be the second league scorer. I think
his role, what it is right now with the Celtics
is the perfect role, the perfect role. It sort of
(23:33):
reminds me of like that Dennis Johnson role.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
Drew Holliday is perfect for him.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Like you know what I'm saying, Like he ain't the
best player, but he's probably the most important outside of
your stars, outside of your.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
Stars, the most important.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you gotta you gotta you look, it's
like your stars is in places. Yeah, but as certain
role players, it's just like like Dennis Johnson, guys, said
Larry Bird said Dennis Johnson was the best player he's
ever played.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
Well, he was a finals m v P listen, he
was a finals.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
MVP of subject Maxwell. Okay, okay, but I'm saying that
Dennis Johnson, despite these other Hall of famers he played with,
was the best player he's ever played with.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
Because he gave him the ball bear than everybody.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
So that's what I'm saying is that's my buddy, like
like my best friend in that category, though.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
Not really because Greek Freak was off it. He was like,
all right, just let's move on. So nobody's saying that
about him.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Holidays hall of Famer six times.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
You got to tell I'm not going to you gotta
say you in there. I'm not. That's a high level jew.
Holliday is one of l A's finings.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
I think he's a Hall of Famers.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
Yeah, well you give him the node. I'm gonna rollin
because he's one of LA's finans.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
I think he's in.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
His career and the way he goes about his game.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
So now is when it's all said done, that Drew's
a Hall of Famer. Tatum is projecting us Hall of Famer.
Brown is projecting us Hall of Famer. So now if
when we look back, we're gonna be like, well, they
got three Hall of Famers, This could be one of
the greatest teams ever, you know what I'm saying. Like now, Harvard,
(25:27):
he could potentially be a Hall of Famer. Yeah, now
if we say they got four Hall of Famers, it's
gonna be some conversations about this team. So what can
the MAVs learn from this experience? Well, once you go
through a playoff run, you have an understanding of the
path and the mindset and how to be ready for circumstances.
(25:53):
You know what I'm saying. You're no longer going on
the road in hostile territory like Ronald, because you've done it.
Now you know you didn't get over the top of
the finals. But the path, when you take certain paths,
you learn from it. So now when they get in
a situation and like like Maths had to go on
(26:14):
the road every series. So now if they're the seventh
a seed, they used to being on the road in
the first round. They're a team going on A few
teams can say, oh, so we know the type of
math I'm just saying, we.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
Have the it's graz.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
No but I'm just saying, like, what they can learn
from this, They can want to.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
Learn that if we the A seed were good, we're
in the player now.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Yeah, but they're the fifth seed. But they can learn
to like.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
No, I think this is what role players improving and
continue to improve themselves is going to factor in because
guys like Washington, those guys can still get better. Those
guys can probably I hear you talking about Luca has
to change his style. One you change your style is
your teammates are able to do more things. So now
(27:04):
you trust PJ. Washington to play out of closeouts, now
earlier in the clock, and now Luca gets the ball
later in the clock too on a catch because PJ, PJ. Washington,
Gafford Lively, they got experience, they get stronger, they get better,
they get smarter, They're able to handle double teams from
Luke and Kyrie Bird Like. I think some of these
(27:25):
things because it just gets harder, right, And what they
fac him with the Celtics with the Ultimate defensive tests.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
To the finals next year, that's constructed.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Yeah, I don't see why not they have. They have
a guy that we think is one of the best
players in the game. He's the first team you have.
You have playing with him, You have a young team
of athletes, are getting better, get better. We don't got
to get better, We got to get better. In turn,
they got to get better as individuals. They got to
get some bench players.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
They got to get better. You're a five seed, you
got lucky, bro.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Yeah, but they made the trade at the midway points,
so they was able to You gotta look at how
they finished so because they was out and if you
look at how they finished to where they are now.
So when they got this team together, they was in
the play in on the way out and now they
made to the finals. With this group, they trended in
the right direction. So they got to get better. Luca
got to get better, right, Kyrie's Kyrie. He's gonna be
(28:23):
more in tune, more helping his team. But in the
first first series against that team, he'll study that he'll
be better prepared. Like you said, that's that. I think
he goes to what you said because you're talking in
terms of the great player that's on your level. I'm
thinking in terms of organizationally, in terms of what they
how they have a real chance because I like what
(28:43):
they did when they made these moves, you know, and
Nico Harrison and everybody at the organization the moves that
they made to where they are now from that point.
So I'm just grading them from there. So now the Celtics,
they got a chance to close this out. You were
in a two three two series with the Lakers two
(29:03):
thousand and eight, so you guys had the home court
Game five, You got a chance to close this thing out.
One up, three one you you like, what was the
mentality going into that game for the close out? Right,
because this is what Boston is getting ready to do?
And then how did you how did you regroup coming
(29:25):
back for game six?
Speaker 1 (29:27):
You would know the mentality. Well, the mentality was we
had forty bottles of more ready, We had a club reservation,
we had dinner reservations. We was trying. Everything got canceled.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
It was we was see I was in two thousand
and ten. We can't never close the.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
Deal in Laded.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
Everything is castled this.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
Urgency because I think I had, like I was thirty
six or thirty eight that game, I was ready to close.
I had I was envisioning the champagne, the club, the dinner, everything.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
Just pop your motivation you see his motivation. I was
ready his motivation right there.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
I was ready. I was like, oh we got the bottles.
We got cracking in La who don't want to win
it in l A and party that night? Then bounce.
I was like, oh, so what happened? I was going
for the wind, I remembering the bottle. No, I don't
know what happened to the bottles? Stood this day? What
y'all eat? So? What the dinner? We went home? Got
(30:37):
what you mean? We went to the hotel, went to
sleep and left the next day. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
We still got to eat, so we canceled dinner. Champagne.
Gotta go. I get that water restaurant with some steak
for these guys.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
Eating at the hotel. Now we went from out at
the roottop something at the rooftop hotel.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
Here you go, guys.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
I was sick read, but I remember, like I wanted.
I was. I was like play. It was like we
was down too. We was down to under a minute
and me and kg picking roll working all series. I'm
telling you, I will never forget this. And you know
me and Kobe guard each other. He guarded me. I
(31:22):
come off the pick and Paulus saw us playing off
the pick all night long, and I'm like, in my head,
I'm like, I'm coming off this damn thing and I'm
about to fire this three win or lose. I'm going
for the win. Ain't no overtime. I had it already scripted.
I had the script. Kobe reached around, locked the ball away.
(31:46):
It could have been a foul. It was a foul,
but I wasn't looking at it as a foul. You know.
It was like, you know, we was at that time,
how the NBA was. We ain't crying about that he
hit my hand. I was like, damn, you know. It
wasn't no like that's how the game was played. We
wasn't God so pound they let you get away with
that type of stuff because I was doing the same thing.
But I swear to you, I was ready to come
(32:07):
off that pick and I was gonna fire. That's all
I was thinking about. I was cold blood.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
Kobe said, no, man, I'm telling you doing that.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
Oh yeah, he did, And then they knocked it away
and he went down.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
Down no champagne over.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
I don't know where it went to this day.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
The moral of the story, but the mindset, the chance
to be a hero.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
And then we went home. I was like, you know what,
We're gonna beat the ship out of them.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
So what happened? So you in the hotel?
Speaker 1 (32:32):
I don't remember all of that. After that, I remember.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
Blackout, So now here we come. We're gonna beat the
ship out of them. Young.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
We gonna beat the ship y'all. Now you know what,
So y'all didn't want us to party like, we're gonna
beat the ship out of y'all. Went back home, beat
them by forty.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
Did you get any extra shots up? Or was it
just like no, I'm ready.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
I don't remember like that was we flew home and
this the next day.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
And kicking with the family.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
I think we just was like I mean, once you
get to like.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
Chop it up, like we ain't having this tonight.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
Yeah. I think we was like, man, yeah, we was like, man,
we waved.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
I wasn't gambled on that plane right now.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
I don't know. We probably was. We didn't. We didn't
change for nobody. We thought we let that game go.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
Man. No, Champagne, that's what I heard you saying that
the Champagne will be five. He was having flash back.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
No, I doubt if we gambled. I do I doubt
if we gambled, we probably was quiet.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
Nobody in the mood for that, right.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
Was in the mood for that. Nobody was in the
mood for that. Right now we're not because we left
the next day. We don't that night.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
Yeah, that silly stuff. Now that's the new day. We
got time for that. Have we been in the energy
mode of the game. Gambled just to kind of like
shake it off.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
The next day we was off. It was quiet.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
Flight home?
Speaker 1 (33:44):
Who you got the selfs closed?
Speaker 2 (33:48):
Kyrie at the garden.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
They're gonna fly three hours to get confettie poured on
their head.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
Yeah, that's gonna be a sa He needs to win
one game, he's.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
So they want to fly twelve or thirteen straighted balls
on the head.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
Kyrie is right now, he's pouring sage over Luca.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
All right, So he's getting Luca set Kyrie Celtics swing
game four.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
You said selis five.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
Well, I just got the script. The NBA sent the script.
Do you want to you.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
Know how Kyrie? He don't agree, Kyrie don't agree with
none of that.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
Luca goes off in the press conference. Kyrie demand's trade.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
Oh no Celtics, ain't the script?
Speaker 1 (34:33):
Fly to Vegas, Gervonte fight.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
Pool, party house, Hey, look check it out.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
Then they go Game five to Crazy Girl back yard
of my house, crazy Girl party, then flight home games
Sunday okay, then Monday off everybody, Wednesday party at the crib.
Then you want to hear this crip Taco party at
the crib.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
Game about game five? We're gonna watch the championship. So
you think, absolutely not, Boston's gonna win on Monday. Taco party.
So taco Monday. You don't got to be.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
Crazy girls? Uh a little gambling again.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
Uh Okayna gonna walk by that that champagne. He's gonna
be like this, hold that. I'll be back. I'll be back.
We let my family get that next game.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
There's the script, y'all. I got the script right here.
So I don't know what he's talking about. With the NBA,
everything is scripted. So well, you bet your money on,
bet your money on Dallas for Friday one game since
you got him so tough. One game, one game you
want to bet, you bet something, bet twenty five up
(35:59):
about No? All right, I do that.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
That's my time, man. I want to give us out
to you. Man, you know what I'm saying, and honor
you today. I WoT my Rick James shirt, Rick James, Yeah,
I'm Rick. I'm Paul Pierce. I'm Paul Pierce.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
Shake that.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
Rick James. Now. It's been a great year man, the controversial,
ever so talented, every so gifted, My homie. Man, you've
been You've been on the road. Man, You've been working
your butt off on these shows. You've been really getting
the energy back in Boston going. You've been working with
the Young team. You're back on Undisputed, telling the story,
telling everybody what's going on in the hoop world.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
We got the truth, we got the track.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
Lowns you, you and h you when you and Ticket
doing your thing. You know your chemistry is off the
charts everything you're doing, so we gotta salute that right now.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
Man, my dog you having But y'all know Celtic sweet Hey,
y'all gonna catch me at these dug boats next week.
Already got mine lined up. They sold out, So you know,
I don't know what to tell you. I don't got
no more rule. Catch us next week. Got the parade though,
now you have it, the true flaps Jed crow, you're
gonna see. It's gonna baby. We like that baby. They
(37:15):
not like us. They not like us.
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The World's Most Dangerous Morning Show, The Breakfast Club, With DJ Envy And Charlamagne Tha God!