November 13, 2024 • 40 mins
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In the first episode of Season 2, Paul and Jason Crowe sit down with one of the most electrifying point guards in NBA history, Rajon Rondo. Get ready for a deep dive into the unforgettable moments from Rondo and Paul’s championship-winning run together with the Boston Celtics, as well as plenty of behind-the-scenes stories you’ve never heard before.
Whether it’s playoff intensity, memorable games, or how they worked together to take down the toughest teams in the league, this episode has it all! The trio covers everything from Rondo's Hall of Fame-worthy career to his role as a mentor to his son in today’s game.
Plus, he opens up about his experience working with Doc Rivers and the Bucks and his future in coaching.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Yo, y'all, y'all, Welcome to the Truth Blounds. It's going
down to day.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Welcome the truth Clowns, y'all. Another season, another episode, another year,
another dollar. Man got the boy j Crow you know
here in the house and got special guests. My teammate,
Best point Guard Ever played with future Hall of Famer
Rondo in the building.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
With something Boy.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Good to see you, man, Yeah, man, gotta catch up.
I ain't seen you in a minute. I missed the wedding.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Hold on, I just want to say, I'm gonna stop.
I love how you said that. What I love how
you said future Hall of Famer. That's oh, that's real,
and I think we need to get that going and
we need to have people talk about that. Was that's
real time.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
I can't wait to go to that.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
I was just thinking about that and you said it,
so that's real. That's real.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Come on, man, you got two titles, Best Passions to
Ever play the game, Best revun Guards too much. I
don't want to hear it because I see some cats
in there that probably shouldn't be in there.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
So no, let's not do that. Let's just put Rondo in.
Let's not start the controversy. Stick with the positive people.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
In all right, I'm just I'm just here catch up Rondo.
I see you've been doing some stuff with Doc coaching.
I know just from playing with you you always was
going to be a coach because I know your yo,
I Q your mindset. How sometimes you be in a
in a time out a major game and calling plays
and drawing up plays right there, Doc, No, look at this,
(01:36):
I ain't never seen this. We be in the game
time out and Rondo up a draw a play, like
give me that Doc sitting Doc seat, draw up a
play for us on the crucial situation. So like, it's
not surprising for me to know that you eventually will
one day be a coach.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
Man.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
How's that being working with Doc?
Speaker 4 (01:54):
Lady man, that's been a joy. You know, been away
for the game for a minute. But as you mentioned,
Doc ca my wedding put me in the head locked
and was like beat me at camp. I couldn't couldn't that? Yeah,
he is definitely one. Yeah right, how we started to
where we are now? Like I said, he's always been
a guy in my corner, des but.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Like doctor him. They look I tell people me and Doc,
Me and Doc used to be into it.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
He think I used to be he used to be
at it with Doc, but not always circle back then.
But you know what, that's a real relationship because like
even like say with your wife or your girl, or
brother or sister, your best friend, y'all gonna have arguments
and and be off each other. But then that's the
testament of a true friendship. And that's what Doc is.
(02:41):
And so I'm happy that he brought you around and
he can use your knowledge. But that that's been that's
been a good one, dog just having you around. And
like he's going to be a head coach. Jay's been
a coach for a lot of years now, Like how
how is that? Just like because you transition from a
play there, So did you know you wanted to be
(03:02):
a coach?
Speaker 3 (03:03):
No? I didn't, you know. I just started working.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
With guys just right.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
You guys were just asking to work out with me,
and I was just giving them my love of the game,
and that's it. But then you you start training and
then you're looking like, okay, when I'm trying, when the
when the guys go back to the league or whatever's
not going on no more.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Now, you before before you even go into that can
you let the people know who you trained that's played
for you, that's in the league.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Well, I'm just gonna name one guy that uh, Jeremy Lamb.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
For you that.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
Played for We're talking about guys like that. Now you're
not Jeremy live uh uh honeys, we got the guys
at Miami Heat Keisha Johnson uh and Josh Christopher No
he going, Peyton Washington there we go. Well, you know,
(04:04):
Peyton Washing. These guys were like I just like the
fact that these guys was was guys that we identified
early and we can see they love. When you're looking
at players and you're trying to see who is want
to make it, I can always see who's gonna make
it because they not only do they have to measure
with all that stuff, but they got the love, the
desire to want to get in the lab and just
(04:25):
everything with the game. You gotta love everything. You gotta love.
You gotta love the stage and the girls showing up
and everything and getting a new outfit. That's part of it.
If you can't handle that, you can't hoop in the
big game. Y'all been in big games. If you y'all
know it's real it's a whole deal. You know what
I'm saying. If you can't handle all of that, you
(04:45):
can't hoop.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
That's part of who So, like I said, Rondo, I
always knew it was gonna get into the coaches games.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
That is that something you you want to do?
Speaker 5 (04:55):
Oh for sure? Absolutely, y'all love it.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
I was actually on the show like trying to get
Rondo to get that the Laker job. Like I was like,
I said that, I said, they need to hire Rondo
before they hired JJ. I was like she because for one,
Lebron respected Rondo, they played together, they run together. So
I was like, damn, he would have been a perfect candidate.
(05:18):
But yeah, man, it's been a truly truly good watching
you with Doc and just getting that experience and sorts
reminded me of like remember when Luke.
Speaker 5 (05:27):
That's the same exact thing, right, It's kind of the same.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Yeah, because t Lou was doing the same thing, getting
experienced under Doc, sitting behind the bench and then sitting
on the bench the bridge between that bridge between the
players and understanding the game.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
So that's dope that.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
But he don't got time to coach in the league
right now. He got to coach his kid, but like, oh,
his kid is the next up and coming guy. You know,
what's that experience like coaching your kids.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
I've been checking that out on the.
Speaker 5 (05:58):
Man getting big now that I was the crazy thing
that was the other day.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
I gave him like maybe like thirty percent of my wardrobe,
like he's catching.
Speaker 5 (06:07):
Up man in my clothes.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
I was like, oh man, you.
Speaker 5 (06:12):
Go do that so now.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
But just coaching him overall, like I said, it's been
a great experience. I mean, being able to teach him
the things that you know, gave me an advantage of
my game hasn't been as difficult I thought it was
going to be because I do have another coach.
Speaker 5 (06:25):
Shout out to my coach, J C.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
Kunard.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
I put a lot of pressure on him to coach him,
so it's not just my voint. Yeah yeah, but we talked.
We talked. Damn, they're like I'm in the league. We
talk every now on the phone. How we can implement
better programs, workout who can get him to compete against.
I mean we're every day on it, and he understands
the vision. So, like I said, a lot of it's me,
but a lot of time I try to put him
in a lab with him. That way I can watch
him up top and see what we can work on
(06:48):
to get better.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
See and Jay, you your son right now, you've been
coaching him forever now, since how.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
Old he was started four years old?
Speaker 2 (06:59):
And like you like his head coach, like his head coach.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
No, you've been his head coach all the way high school.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Talking to me about like how do you separate being
a coach and a father and no, when to turn
it on and off? Like that's because you don't want
to turn your son off by being too much inny,
Like how do you like balance that?
Speaker 3 (07:24):
You got to make the adjustment to them. Yeah, okay,
I've learned that, Like you got to make especially when
they start getting older.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
When they're young, you are the con.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
Everything right now. You gotta be realistic. You want him
to have freedom and creativity. You don't want him to
be not have a voice, not be able to express itself.
You got to understand if you've been out there when
he going, he might tell you, Now we don't run that,
like he doesn't tell me in the game and get
him out, put him in. I look like that's the
right thing that you kind of like don't tell me,
(07:56):
but you know you didn't did that as a point?
Speaker 5 (07:58):
Did that right?
Speaker 3 (07:59):
So why are you gonna try to be a daddy
like what I learned? You can't try to I'm the daddy.
Be quiet in the basketball. No, you gotta be respectful
of the game. And if you got to help me,
and you gotta understand his energy. Sometimes you gotta tell me, man,
shut up for real. But you got to understand too
when he going like and and he helped me with that, like,
(08:19):
but I knew that it was on the onus is
on me to make the adjustment. That's what I do know.
So it's up to me to make the adjustment. And
then you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
And no, this is kind of dope because you got
to your son is sixteen and your son twelve.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
It's twelve.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
So like you hearing him say this, it's like, all right,
the transition you not at that point now with like that,
because now you can you.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
Can be on bro.
Speaker 5 (08:46):
I'm go to the basic fundamentals.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
I want to get off to a great you know start,
and then I will allow him to you know, to
be coached by whoever.
Speaker 5 (08:52):
But that's gonna be strategic as well.
Speaker 4 (08:53):
But yeah, I'm also I'm looking to talk to Diane
about it, saying, oh, that's dope with yeah, because that's
why I got my degree just in case I go
to college. Yep, this case I go pro. So it's
just being able to be ready.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
And I'm gonna tell you this, you in La, you
gotta please. I gotta get him at least something from
working with you. And the thing is, like you.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Know, to be dope easy your son work with him,
and your son work with him because like you did
the development side.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
Already, what he's going through, and now.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
If your son can get this right here to where
your son trying to get to.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
Oh, but the basic thing is the love. The kids
make their own lucky, their own style, but it's the
love that were putting in them, and we're nurturing that love.
We're giving them the reality of if you really want
this is what it is. You know, we're not putting
pressure on these kids, but if they love and we
gotta be real with them, is that honest place.
Speaker 5 (09:53):
Your son is twelve thirteen.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Thirteen, next month sixteen, so you understand what he going
through right now and everything. Talk to me about what's
the best, Like what foundationally are you trying to implement
into them young?
Speaker 3 (10:14):
Values?
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (10:17):
Values?
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Like what did that's what you was like, like what
are you like? So the first thing that you said values,
but you like implement a young like a competitive spirit
or an attitude.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
Now you know what's the foundation? What would you build him? Okay?
Speaker 3 (10:34):
I didn't train him with basketball. What I did was
I was still into it, so he would come get
shots up with me and he could get jumped in
with whoever was going on. But what I was focused
on was him understanding you're gonna work out hard every
day for life. And that was the fact about basketball.
(10:55):
Forget about hard first, work hard first, and enjoy it.
So I looked up and I gave him some thing
to do with his tenth birthday. I'll never forget it.
He got ready to do his push ups and I
picked him up. He had worked out four straight years,
no days off of just doing his own thing and
getting up doing push up squads, and that let me
know that this guy he worked for something he ain't.
(11:17):
So that's when I really started like, okay, let me
jump on this now. He didn't because I looked up
like damn he ten.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
That was four years.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
He ain't missed the dad. He got ready to do him.
I picked him up, like, nah, no you off or
it's off day. You could be off days like yeah,
you didn't. Got to prove that no more. Let me now,
let's talk about it now. And I started seeing him,
and then we had the pandemic. He's a pandemic baby.
He down there. I'm coming downstairs. He watching Elijah win
(11:45):
Doctor Jay. I'm gonna sit down and talk.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
Chop it up.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
Like now we're having conversations because he's digging deep. He's
out there shooting sky hugs a night like I'm looking
out my window, so I'm seeing his love. And what
he did was he forced my me, my hand to
work hard, like don't let him down. Don't you be
the one let him down, don't have Oh you want
to go chill, do whatever you're gonna do. Nah, he
(12:10):
trying to go to the gym. What you're gonna do?
You know what I'm saying. So he forced me. He
forced me to say, this is the period of my life.
I'm gonna give to him. That's fair because of his love,
and but I implement the values of hard work and
playing to win. Just win, you know, don't worry about
nothing but winning. That's the goal of Because they live
(12:31):
in a different day. I'm watching these kids. They learned
the game through training. We learned the game. We played
sports and we just got good off and somebody told
us you we was good, Like, hey, you want to
play for this team over here? You know I like
you look good boy? You walk over here with me.
This is better over here. Like they learned the game
from Hey, we got seventy five dollars, can you help
(12:52):
him with this good shot? Like why you got making shots?
I paid you, Like you know what I mean? Like,
like that's how But that's how they make it jump.
Speaker 5 (13:10):
Right money, Like the game is defense.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
They closed it out, you know what I mean. But
that's how they learning basketball. Think we didn't. We didn't
learn it like that. We went and played whatever we
did and you won, and then you just played to win,
and then you learned how to play like that, you
know what I'm saying. They learned like just drilllly, you know,
head down a minute. That's how they learning basketball. The skills.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
What kind of foundation are you building with your son?
Speaker 4 (13:44):
Just for me, it's a lot of different layers, but
right now, in the early beginning, just how to play
the game the right way, you know what I mean?
I said this little things, the fundamentals being a value
in being a great teammate and shout out to a sister.
She's a thankfully she got a scholarship to Obama. But
about her most, she's she's an awesome teammate. You know,
(14:07):
she's always positive, she's always giving constructive criticism, but allowing
herself to be coach at a young age. Just it's
something that you know, sometimes I've teared up just watching
her how.
Speaker 5 (14:15):
She becomes, what type of teammates she is.
Speaker 4 (14:17):
So getting her brother to understand that, you know, first
and foremost being a great teammate. Yeah she's not for
sure she'd help me, but like seeing that past that,
that's what I pride myself in when I was playing,
you know, just be like the hell of a teammate,
you know what I mean, Like being a guy that
was un selfish that if a guy needed a better
in his back.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
I was doing it.
Speaker 5 (14:33):
If a guy I needed, you know, two more shots,
I was giving that.
Speaker 4 (14:35):
So it was like being able to sacrifice and understanding
that you know, my happiness is through other people's happiness
on the court.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
So tell me what it's like seeing your son take
over a game or something, because I didn't see anymore
on Instagram and I'm like, damn, that's little dude. Yeah,
it's what's that feeling?
Speaker 4 (14:53):
It's an amazing feeling, you know, even at the young age,
you know, these young AU tournaments, you know.
Speaker 5 (14:58):
Especially what he's going through.
Speaker 4 (14:59):
As far as a couple years back, he was like, Dad,
how do I handle the pressure?
Speaker 5 (15:02):
Because he's starting to have the name, and.
Speaker 4 (15:04):
Every time he's playing now, you know, the people are
circling the court, so he's kind of figure like, oh damn,
eleven years old every time they want an interview on
So I blocked him doing interviews.
Speaker 5 (15:16):
You know.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
I try to keep him, you know, as much as
the kid as possible, you know, like I say, we'll
get to that stage when you get there, especially all
this new NL things, So I'm trying to keep him
level headed as much as possible. To you don't have
Instagram yet, I'm just staying hungry.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
A lot of teach Instagram to high school.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Same to you, how do you refeel like your son
putting in that work, like just like going just killing,
Like damn you've been seeing because your son right now
he one of the top players in the country, top juniors.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
Like what's that like? Just seeing that?
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Like he averaged Like right now, little Crow junr is
one of the top scores in California history on pace.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
How is that? Just like seeing them players best game?
Like how you like? How you feel?
Speaker 3 (16:03):
You know what you really in real time? So you're
trying to the better he gets. You're trying to get
more critical.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
You're trying to.
Speaker 5 (16:12):
You you gotta keep.
Speaker 4 (16:14):
Right now, to me, I know these things like right
now they're the hunted.
Speaker 5 (16:18):
It's like I got to keep him hungry. I got
to keep understanding.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
I got to get more critical.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
But that's what drives our relationship though, because he's at
the stage where he understands that and he wants to know.
Like that's what's driving us at this level. Like the challenges.
The thing about what I've always done, I've always like
I hear Ronald, he about to play this high. You
know what I'm saying, Freshman JV. He about to go.
That's what you gotta do. You got to always put
(16:45):
the new challenges up there. It's no time to celebrate
right now, like we we're going to enjoy the moment.
And it's been great moments. I mean, we want to
state championship.
Speaker 5 (16:54):
I mean, so that's not the goal. That's not a
lot of goals. Yea oftime to go correct.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
That's a good journey.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
What is your best game that you think you ever had.
I'm gonna run that by both of y'all. What is
the best game that you think you ever had? And
before y'all go, I'm gonna give y'all second. Since y'all here,
I'm gonna tell y'all something that I feel about. What
is y'all for me? I'm gonna start with Rondo. I
didn't you know I was the best. Now, I'm not
(17:23):
gonna go with his best game. I'm gonna go with
what I feel is one of the best moments for me,
just for me at the game Orlando, you got to steal,
you lay out on the floor, grab the ball, you
hop up, crossover. Yeah, you know, I didn't get a
lot of games I didn't get and I know this play,
(17:47):
this play I was at the game. This is one
of the greatest plays that I've ever seen. I'm a
defensive player. I know great like you dove on the
floor first. Everybody needs to watch he don't it wasn't
he eating behind the ball? And Jason beat Jason Williams
to the ball. Jason Williams to think he was gonna
beat him do it. He beat him to the ball,
(18:09):
but he laid out the only chance he had to
get it right. He didn't.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
All right, let's watch it right here right react to
this rewinded real quick.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
We're gonna watch him, he pushed him. React to Ron.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Don't react to this. You behind him?
Speaker 5 (18:24):
Ah for me, was always trying to play with energy
and effort.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
That's the garden.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
Look at you behind him. He was about to pick
the ball up. You dive in between his legs.
Speaker 5 (18:34):
And the crazy thing is we up seventeen look.
Speaker 4 (18:38):
Like that, but look at it. I didn't realize I
got foundtil I watched the replay.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
No, I know you right away. I'm sitting right behind there.
I'm sitting right there. That's where I'm sitting, right at
your face.
Speaker 5 (18:50):
I'm watching this in the.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
Corner right there.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
I'm sitting right there. Then, I'm sitting behind Williams right there.
Look at the hand, push you. He pushed you. I'm like,
he pushed it. Oh my god, that's one of the
best players I've ever seen live in the playoff game.
And and that was like a checkmate for them for
the whole deal. So that's one of the that's the
best player I've ever seen.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
Best play. So what do you feel was your best
game ever?
Speaker 3 (19:18):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (19:19):
Best game ever? He got some crazy I wouldn't say,
like I said.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
A lot of people may say probably the heat game,
but I can't say that because we lost, so I
never celebrated and the loss.
Speaker 5 (19:33):
But no, the game I think, well, I had the
most pressure.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
That y'all lost. Y'alls he got forty four something, y'all lost,
hold on, hold on.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
First of all, it was this no this point, let's
keep it wanting.
Speaker 5 (19:56):
No, I would never team. It was always your team.
Y'all just gave me a lot more rope, but still
always that.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Was at this point.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
You have to adapt. Everybody here wants to win.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
What was this two thousand?
Speaker 3 (20:07):
Everybody wants to win, guys, Unless everybody wants to win.
If I go get forty something something something, dog, y'all lost.
Speaker 6 (20:17):
Dog.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
This was no.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
We had we had a bullets playing for money.
Speaker 5 (20:20):
Who was in Miami?
Speaker 6 (20:21):
I need more money. I told these dudes to do.
He rushing out after game, held.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
Out while were thinking about why in basketball you can't
hold out? You can't after forty four he should have.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
All right, all right, well that was the best game, bro?
Speaker 3 (20:42):
What was forty more? That was the best game? You
can't win them all?
Speaker 1 (20:47):
Fortys forty four was this?
Speaker 3 (20:51):
And that? Come on, no, they start standing the Lord Winty.
I watched my son. This is the thing. I watched you.
They start sitting the load at you and it's too easy,
that's too much. You have went to another level when
you start getting forty on these people on the play
in this atmosphere. Yes they have to.
Speaker 5 (21:12):
They was giving me the shot and they got hit,
every one of them.
Speaker 6 (21:15):
But now.
Speaker 4 (21:17):
After I would say the Jeremy Lynn game or the Cleveland.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
Game four, I will never forget that German.
Speaker 5 (21:22):
So the Lend game.
Speaker 4 (21:23):
I mean I heard weeks about you know Jamie Lynn sanity.
Speaker 5 (21:27):
You turned on the TV and.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
He just popped the Lakers in the garden in the
garden game.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
Where was that game at a.
Speaker 5 (21:35):
National It was coming in Boston.
Speaker 4 (21:37):
And mind you, they said he went to Harvard, so
he already got before the game. It was them there
like a c It was a of media, the ladia
right after game.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
They laid it out for you to get you was
on the but he was, But he was.
Speaker 5 (21:51):
He was frying everybody that was he was lining up with.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
He was getting to the money and knowing that he
was in the scouting port at this point now, and
it's like everybody's tired of hearing his name, and then
I'm hearing I'm in Boston. So it's like Sandy, Sandy,
I'm getting pressured from obviously the Big Three saying it
to him, pressure from the media like, man, he bet
not coming. I'm like, I'm bet not coming here, talking
about the guy is doing the jersey. I mean, everybody's
looking like, bro, don't do man like you off. So
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I mean I really obviously I slept on it. Manifested
what I'm gonna do.
Speaker 5 (22:21):
And I wouldn't. I wouldn't taken it. I wouldn't. I
couldn't allow that.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
So by the way, versut the mix and that run
sanity was going off. He just beat the Lakers at
the buzzer down the stretch. Rondo comes into Boston, and
Rono puts up eighteen points, seventeen rebounds, and twenty.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
As Sister Goodness Grace.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
Yeah, it's safe to say you probably let us in
all categories.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
He got a lot of saying, a lot of good food.
Speaker 5 (22:49):
Okay, now you had also probably had.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
I the game number.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
Let take.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
Listen, listen, let me tell you about when you had
him pass you the ball. And when you're playing with
a passer like this, you want to make sure you
really locked in because you want to you want him
to get to assist. Like, I don't know what it is.
I felt like every time you passed me the ball,
I had to make the shot.
Speaker 5 (23:21):
Man.
Speaker 4 (23:21):
I feel like every time I passed you wanted right
in your hands seamed up like.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
I wanted to, like Rondo got me in a good spot. Bom.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
It was like as a score, like and you got
to assist. Man like this, you want to be like,
all right, I gotta make him he didn't penetrate and
got me open.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
I gotta make sure I knock this down. So like, listen,
that's the thing though, was.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
The number one point guards you play with. I'm not mad,
I'm okay. I'm the high school point guard it's cool.
I can take that.
Speaker 5 (23:51):
Or not.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
I got you going. You wouldn't be nothing without me.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
He wasn't even wasn't.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
Cut you a he goat, I know I'm cool. Look
I got you going. I thought you more.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
I want to look.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
Am I better than Look? I got try out? All
your dunks? Is me?
Speaker 6 (24:20):
No?
Speaker 2 (24:20):
Look I went off. I would I might have had
thirty in this practicy Ja thro hit me. I'm on
fire though, I'm every shot every three. J going to
me though, all right, No, Norell. He got me my
first dunk in the game.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
Uh Ja up there? He kept me. I gotta say, j.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
Get over Jack. He was going. He was doing the
other dude I was going.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
He said, who your best friend?
Speaker 3 (24:53):
He was going to you?
Speaker 1 (24:55):
All right?
Speaker 2 (24:55):
You kept me from getting cut. Yeah, get Jock vonn
He had me big, well, MVP.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
That was you a big twelve tournament.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
He wouldn't give you dimes. Let's watch the fan, watch
the Inglewood, get the Inglewood. Pilm in here. I'll take
by Rondo, Rondo up here getting Rondo. I'll do behind.
I'll take behind Rondo. I'm just trying to get above.
That's all.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
So another game that come to mind is playoffs Game
four versus Cass. Rondo goes for twenty nine points. Listening
to this, eighteen rebounds and thirteen assists and two steals.
And before we even get to that, no, no, no, no,
before we even get to that. The Caves were the
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number one seed that year they won sixty plus games.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
We were the fourth seed. I believe, I think we
were four seed.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
And there was a discussion like a month before the
season ended, to like, do we want to be the
four seed? Do we want to move up to the
three seeds a couple of weeks? A couple of weeks right,
because we could have moved up to the three seed
if we do? We want to rest and and say
stay at the four or do we want to play
go go up to the three. It was a lot
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of discussion we had this meeting. It was Rondo, Ray,
me and KG said. Doctor was like, do y'all want
to try to get the three seed or we can
rest a little bit and stay at the four. Ronald
was like, hell, no, we want the four seed because
we want the calf second round, they the number one seed.
Bron is having sick year. He's the m v P
this year, and I'm sitting there like, because I got
a Gulf, I got a guard brother, I'm like, damn.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
I gotta catch Guly.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
Yeah, I'd rather catch you, Blake. I'm think I probably
want to catch you, Blake. You want to catch you.
I want to catch you. Listen to go to the title.
It's too close, so let's catch you. Bron was like, no,
let's get these let's just fade in the second round.
And when I look back at it, I see why
because this probably was one of Rondo's greatest series as ever.
He I think he averaged the triple double.
Speaker 5 (26:59):
Uh uh.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
I mean he wanted Williams and I'm thinking, my god, damn,
we want to see Bron again.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
I got a go deal with this young Bull, and
Bron is the m v P this year too, all right, whatever,
you know.
Speaker 5 (27:11):
What young But obviously I knew that, Master, That's how
you felt. I was.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
Young Bull wanted I want it.
Speaker 5 (27:16):
It was against him though, That's how I look at it.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
It can't beat us, all right, And so yeah, you
know that's one of the things that stand out how
your mentality was, because you you.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
It's like, you want to smoke.
Speaker 5 (27:30):
Let's get it.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
Let's get to you want to smoke.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
And I was like, yeah, okay, and you're the youngest
out of us because I you know, I didn't say nothing.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
I was just sitting there.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
Right now. Yeah that was but that you said that
was good because I like that. That was the changing
of the guard. You coming into your own with your voice.
You a man.
Speaker 5 (27:59):
Now, I was an the meetings.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
Now, this is life, this is life. It was the
big this is life. Everybody is. This is the thing
about when you're raising your kids, you have to be
ready to like y'all had to adapt to him. He's growing.
He's growing, don't stan stiny his growth. You adapt to him.
So now it's going to work better like that, you
know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
Like as you get older too.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
And Doc started explaining it more and it was like
all right, Like for me, I want to see if
he was ready, you know. And I was just like,
you know when I started seeing him looking up eighteen
twenty this is a national games. Pressure then twenty five,
twelve and thirteen, what year you got the keys? H
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you're driving down? Shoot shotgun? Just let me know when
you need me. That's what it was.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
So what you think is your greatest game?
Speaker 1 (28:52):
For me?
Speaker 3 (28:52):
Yeah? For you? Now, what's your.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
Greatest greatest game?
Speaker 3 (28:55):
Man?
Speaker 1 (28:55):
I ad some cool?
Speaker 3 (28:56):
Was the Lebron game?
Speaker 2 (28:58):
Like, I'm I think my greatest game, Damn, I'm gonna
say Game seven versus Lebron because the pressure it was,
like damn classic it was. It was pressure. We can't
go home right now, we're the favorite. We didn't want
sixty six games, we cannot go on the second round.
And I was just like, man, I gotta go against
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this dude right here again.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
Like how many games did they win when y'all beat
them that year?
Speaker 1 (29:23):
They was the fourth seed.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
So the year when y'all beat them in twenty.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
Ten, what was in two thousand and they wont like
sixty six sixty five games?
Speaker 3 (29:32):
Damn. So if she was on the.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
Other they was the favorite.
Speaker 5 (29:35):
They say it was MVP.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
I mean he was the MVP of the league. This
was his fourth year in the league.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
Yeah, this is a making that's a make him ring
game to go and just emerge and go for that
because that was If you don't do that, then it's
like it changed your whole narrative your career.
Speaker 5 (29:50):
Game seven, like, I mean, it.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
Changed your whole figure. Yeah, now I remember, you know.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
What I remember about that day though.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
I remember I was like I got to the arena
like three three thirty that day, and I was like,
hold on, I just want to get on before everybody.
I'd have seen some stuff in the defense. You know,
I'm watching the film. I'm watching him. I'm like, damn,
this is open right here. I should be taking this shot.
So like I'm like, damn, every time I come up
to pick and roll, he off. I can get this
mill ranch. Oh damn, he show I can do this,
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you know, because when when slice roll, that's my side
picking roll, you know. So I'm looking at all of that,
I'm like, oh, okay, I can get this off right here.
This is easy money right here. So I was working
on that three thirty. I'm coming off the pig like
this is gonna be open tonight.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
Boom.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
So I'm going to that early, you know what I'm saying.
So I was liked it in my mind going to that,
I said, I'm wanna be super aggressive today. I'm going
down swinging like that's my mindset. I said, hell no,
I'm out to go toe to tone with this dude,
this little young monster. So that's what it was. And
I was like, and the thing I took the challenge, dude,
you can stop, dude, but you know what, I'm gonna
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make it hard on them, and you know how else,
I'm gonna go at you on the other end, right,
So that defense, Yeah, you gotta play defense night. So
if you're gonna go at me, I'm gonna go right
at you. And so that's why. And the pressure on
it because we it was game seven, it was the
number one seed, and so I'm gonna say, I'm gonna
say game seven. I want to talk about so in
saying the greatest games, because we heard the numbers. I
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mean the numbers, men and women, a lot of numbers.
I mean, people don't understand how hard it was in
that day to get trouble doubles. Now, I just feel like,
because how the game changed and the power forward. See,
the power forward in our day was the specialist rebounder.
I mean he was like gonna lead the league in
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rebounder defense. Now stretch you know, so it was more
difficult to get a triple double from the guards, you know,
and then rebounds you a guard, I ain't get out
of here.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
You be coming here for a rebound.
Speaker 5 (31:47):
That's what power forward.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
It was two on the box, it was three out,
two in, so it wasn't that open.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
I just want to talk about the way you.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
Kind of went about like you was the triple Like
think about this, Ronda would have five six triple doubles,
and he was the triple double.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
King in that era, in that air, you know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
Where it was one year you had six triple doubles
and nobody in the rest of the league had more
than one.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
That's crazy. Twenty twelve crazy, No, I'm looking so this six.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
So when you're teaching your kid, So when you're teaching
your son, you're teaching your son this this is the
last era for stuff. For me, I'm trying to get
him the value of rebounding. He had one triple double,
but that rebounding aspect, to see some of the numbers
you was having like almost like three, you was having
like almost back.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
That's seventeen setin. So he knew, Yeah, I'm already standing there,
he's gonna come in there.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
Are you teaching yours like rebound, rebound, rebound?
Speaker 4 (32:53):
Yeah, I mean, because one you don't have to you
can start to break. I mean, you need the out
that pass. Now you're ever as soon as you get
the rebound, you have to see up the floor right away.
You don't need to look back or reach for the
ball where you take your ays off the court. So
for me, I was able to get to the rebounds
quick as possible. Now I'm able to dictate in many
of the game.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
So you know what I'm gonna ask you this because
this this is a good question. I talk about this.
This ain't never been talked about. I'm not a proponent
of assists to turnover ratio. That don't matter to me. Me.
I'm going steals, offensive rebounds to turnovers because you can
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get eight assists, but your turnovers you can have. Okay,
you got two turnof like what kind of turnovers already?
Like that's not really how many balls did you get back?
How we compare an assists to turnovers? You might have
some rebounds and steals to turnovers because those of.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
The eight assists five turnovers, but three steals and three
offensive rebounds.
Speaker 3 (33:51):
No really tripping turnovers like a lot of times getting
it back.
Speaker 4 (33:55):
But it also depends on like steals, but if your
taking three threes.
Speaker 5 (34:02):
Versus your steals leads.
Speaker 3 (34:04):
That's what I'm saying, assist. But that's what I'm saying,
assist at all, because now, as says, if we don't
even know what's going on with these assists and he's
turnover like assistant to me, don't make up for a turnovers.
It's the moment of the game. But at least, if
I'm looking at your steals, I'm looking at what you
gave away. Like you said, we can't measure the points,
but I'm looking at what you gave away. I'm looking
what you took. If you came up with three offensive
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rebounds and five steals, but you have five turnovers? All right,
how was your turn how many you had in the
fourth like you might have You might have been trying
to run a play and then the dude ain't getting there.
You forcing you throwing it Like, get your ass there,
I'm throwing you up. You know what I'm saying. It's
the first quarter of the fourth quarter. We ain't doing that.
But you getting five steals, that's taking the ball away.
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That's live steals. That's not forcing turnovers. That's live. All
steals are live.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
We going this way, But you might not convert, But.
Speaker 3 (34:56):
I'm just saying, compared to assists, I'm a more proponent
of steals to turnovers. That's how I look at it,
because I'm supposed to telling my son like like, because
he might have five assists, five turnovers, sixty eight steals.
Speaker 5 (35:16):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (35:24):
But I'm just saying, but you got eight steals like
he had. He had a lot of games, like he
had a playoff game, twelve steals, four turnovers. And it's like,
I'm going, this is me I started looking at when
I was playing though, because I would have turnovers. I'm
gonna have turnovers like I would have turnover. I'm gonna
have turnovers, but i'm gonna have I'm gonna have steals,
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and i'm gonna have I'm gonna have assist too. What
I'm saying for me is steals offensive rebounds because it's
giveaways takeaways. I don't know why we compare assists to turnovers.
They're not They're not one thing or the other. Like
this is one is a giveaway, one is a takeaway.
You know what I'm saying. That's just how I look
at it.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
For me from coaching, I mean, that's an interesting perspective.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
Try to think about it. I don't. I don't compare.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
It as you try as the game you're trying to
innovate and see, yeah.
Speaker 3 (36:17):
Be aggressive. I don't teacher that like you gotta just
assist the term like no, we're.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
Not like like I look at and staying on the
assisting and Rondo was great at that obviously, but the
rebounding aspect of it, and you was able to beat
them like what we considered the master of the triple
double now Stills and the steals like it went from
for so for me and my basketball kind of reference,
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you know, you go from Oscar Robinson to Magic Johnson
to Jason Kidd and the bridges to you.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
You know, just talk about like is this like something
you prided yourself.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
pH on and just being great in all areas because
I just feel like, you know, you're probably the most
underrated rebounding guard in history for that time, you know
what I'm saying, because now guards, I don't understand how
some of these guards average nine rebounds and they can't
jump over a book because it was hard to get rebound.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
But yeah, it was hard to get.
Speaker 5 (37:16):
Rebound, like I said, it was.
Speaker 3 (37:18):
It was three.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
Luca couldn't get nine rebounds. He couldn't get nine rebounds
in our.
Speaker 3 (37:25):
Era's not talking about Luca right now.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
KG averaged eleven rebounds.
Speaker 4 (37:29):
What us It was two for foot on the court
and yeah, around all the time, all the time, nobody
point line.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
I couldn't do that in our era.
Speaker 5 (37:37):
It might have been two players on the three point
line back and.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying, because we crowded the paint.
Speaker 3 (37:42):
Now it's sloppy.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
It was all mirrord Less song three.
Speaker 3 (37:45):
I'm just saying, let's not talk about what Luca couldn't do.
He could adapt to.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
He's Luca and Lebron.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
Lucas all kind of like they' all kind of like
I think for the inspiration to this new generation of guys,
kind of like now I feel like the triple doubles
master because of the way the.
Speaker 3 (38:03):
Game is played.
Speaker 4 (38:04):
Yeah, and I mind you, I'm the only one that's
six to one, all right, you inside of everybody getting
them leading the league. Yeah, But for me, it was
just trying to, you know, dictate the game other ways
than scoring, you know, I mean I had the Big three,
so I was like, how can I impact make an
impact on the game, okay, back getting off his rebounds,
extra possessions, deepest rebounds leading to you know, scoring in
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the first four five seconds of the shot clock. So
it was just again, how can I make my game
implement to make the big threes game a lot easier
for them?
Speaker 5 (38:33):
That was just my way of thinking.
Speaker 3 (38:34):
You know something too, I'm gonna tell you of your
first game. So I'm at the game, the first game
of the year. What was you two thousand and nine, right,
I was six once you get there, two thousand and
six six. Ye. So I'm near the first game whatever,
you know, I'm always donna catch a game. I run
to Bill Duffy. Bill Duffie tells me, this is your
first game, rookie year. Bill Duffie tells me, he said,
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you watched next year. This this, this guy is gonna
be better than everybody out there. The guard because they
had a lot of guards. Ya ya ya was stockpiled.
You know. At this point, I don't know college basketball.
I'm living in Europe. We don't even get no. I
don't watch nothing. I don't know nothing from nothing college basketball.
I'm watching Mental Genobli in Italy. Right, that's all I
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can see, you know what I mean. So he just
told me that that day and to see that manifest
because he was like, this is my guy. He's gonna
be better than the audience watching. I've seen what he
can do. And I'm looking like, hold on, they got
like four point guards out here, because who was on
that roster.
Speaker 5 (39:32):
It was a lot of yeah guards, Alan Ray came
in with me.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
Some guards forgot about.
Speaker 3 (39:39):
Yeah, the rookie year, there was a lot of guards.
There was a stockpiled up twin guards though it was
like it was at least three point guards that was
there on open the day roster. So he wasn't started
opening day.
Speaker 5 (39:52):
No, I didn't start for a long time.
Speaker 3 (39:54):
Started the year.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
I remember like one of the last game of the seasons,
he went for thirty.
Speaker 5 (39:58):
We lot eighteen straight that year.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
Get out.
Speaker 5 (40:00):
That's the year that was mentally taxing it. I'm like,
this is what the league is. I didn't know what
what was going on.
Speaker 3 (40:05):
That was the first I was at the first game.
I got out of there. I was at my first game.
Speaker 5 (40:11):
He was out, he was outside, it was it was over.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
I wasn't there.
Speaker 3 (40:15):
I was at the first game, just a couple.
Speaker 4 (40:17):
Of days we got on my shot of Olam candy.
That was my veat observe.
Speaker 2 (40:25):
I knew that I looked back, I knew what it
was on. It was like we're trying to take Peek
go home.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
A little bit.
Speaker 5 (40:29):
We try to get that pic all right, y'all.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
There you have it.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
Man.
Speaker 1 (40:32):
It's good to see my boy.
Speaker 2 (40:33):
Catch up with man here and give Rondo's flowers. Man, Hey,
check it out, man, join this weekly. That's it from
the Truth Lounge, Rondo J.
Speaker 1 (40:42):
Crow Man. Appreciate you, bro. I can't wait to see
you again.
Speaker 3 (40:46):
Man.
Speaker 1 (40:46):
I love always chopping it over.
Speaker 3 (40:51):
Yeah,
Yo, y'all, y'all, Welcome to the Truth Blounds. It's going
down to day.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Welcome the truth Clowns, y'all. Another season, another episode, another year,
another dollar. Man got the boy j Crow you know
here in the house and got special guests. My teammate,
Best point Guard Ever played with future Hall of Famer
Rondo in the building.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
With something Boy.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Good to see you, man, Yeah, man, gotta catch up.
I ain't seen you in a minute. I missed the wedding.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Hold on, I just want to say, I'm gonna stop.
I love how you said that. What I love how
you said future Hall of Famer. That's oh, that's real,
and I think we need to get that going and
we need to have people talk about that. Was that's
real time.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
I can't wait to go to that.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
I was just thinking about that and you said it,
so that's real. That's real.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Come on, man, you got two titles, Best Passions to
Ever play the game, Best revun Guards too much. I
don't want to hear it because I see some cats
in there that probably shouldn't be in there.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
So no, let's not do that. Let's just put Rondo in.
Let's not start the controversy. Stick with the positive people.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
In all right, I'm just I'm just here catch up Rondo.
I see you've been doing some stuff with Doc coaching.
I know just from playing with you you always was
going to be a coach because I know your yo,
I Q your mindset. How sometimes you be in a
in a time out a major game and calling plays
and drawing up plays right there, Doc, No, look at this,
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I ain't never seen this. We be in the game
time out and Rondo up a draw a play, like
give me that Doc sitting Doc seat, draw up a
play for us on the crucial situation. So like, it's
not surprising for me to know that you eventually will
one day be a coach.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
Man.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
How's that being working with Doc?
Speaker 4 (01:54):
Lady man, that's been a joy. You know, been away
for the game for a minute. But as you mentioned,
Doc ca my wedding put me in the head locked
and was like beat me at camp. I couldn't couldn't that? Yeah,
he is definitely one. Yeah right, how we started to
where we are now? Like I said, he's always been
a guy in my corner, des but.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Like doctor him. They look I tell people me and Doc,
Me and Doc used to be into it.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
He think I used to be he used to be
at it with Doc, but not always circle back then.
But you know what, that's a real relationship because like
even like say with your wife or your girl, or
brother or sister, your best friend, y'all gonna have arguments
and and be off each other. But then that's the
testament of a true friendship. And that's what Doc is.
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And so I'm happy that he brought you around and
he can use your knowledge. But that that's been that's
been a good one, dog just having you around. And
like he's going to be a head coach. Jay's been
a coach for a lot of years now, Like how
how is that? Just like because you transition from a
play there, So did you know you wanted to be
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a coach?
Speaker 3 (03:03):
No? I didn't, you know. I just started working.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
With guys just right.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
You guys were just asking to work out with me,
and I was just giving them my love of the game,
and that's it. But then you you start training and
then you're looking like, okay, when I'm trying, when the
when the guys go back to the league or whatever's
not going on no more.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Now, you before before you even go into that can
you let the people know who you trained that's played
for you, that's in the league.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Well, I'm just gonna name one guy that uh, Jeremy Lamb.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
For you that.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
Played for We're talking about guys like that. Now you're
not Jeremy live uh uh honeys, we got the guys
at Miami Heat Keisha Johnson uh and Josh Christopher No
he going, Peyton Washington there we go. Well, you know,
(04:04):
Peyton Washing. These guys were like I just like the
fact that these guys was was guys that we identified
early and we can see they love. When you're looking
at players and you're trying to see who is want
to make it, I can always see who's gonna make
it because they not only do they have to measure
with all that stuff, but they got the love, the
desire to want to get in the lab and just
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everything with the game. You gotta love everything. You gotta love.
You gotta love the stage and the girls showing up
and everything and getting a new outfit. That's part of it.
If you can't handle that, you can't hoop in the
big game. Y'all been in big games. If you y'all
know it's real it's a whole deal. You know what
I'm saying. If you can't handle all of that, you
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can't hoop.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
That's part of who So, like I said, Rondo, I
always knew it was gonna get into the coaches games.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
That is that something you you want to do?
Speaker 5 (04:55):
Oh for sure? Absolutely, y'all love it.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
I was actually on the show like trying to get
Rondo to get that the Laker job. Like I was like,
I said that, I said, they need to hire Rondo
before they hired JJ. I was like she because for one,
Lebron respected Rondo, they played together, they run together. So
I was like, damn, he would have been a perfect candidate.
(05:18):
But yeah, man, it's been a truly truly good watching
you with Doc and just getting that experience and sorts
reminded me of like remember when Luke.
Speaker 5 (05:27):
That's the same exact thing, right, It's kind of the same.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Yeah, because t Lou was doing the same thing, getting
experienced under Doc, sitting behind the bench and then sitting
on the bench the bridge between that bridge between the
players and understanding the game.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
So that's dope that.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
But he don't got time to coach in the league
right now. He got to coach his kid, but like, oh,
his kid is the next up and coming guy. You know,
what's that experience like coaching your kids.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
I've been checking that out on the.
Speaker 5 (05:58):
Man getting big now that I was the crazy thing
that was the other day.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
I gave him like maybe like thirty percent of my wardrobe,
like he's catching.
Speaker 5 (06:07):
Up man in my clothes.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
I was like, oh man, you.
Speaker 5 (06:12):
Go do that so now.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
But just coaching him overall, like I said, it's been
a great experience. I mean, being able to teach him
the things that you know, gave me an advantage of
my game hasn't been as difficult I thought it was
going to be because I do have another coach.
Speaker 5 (06:25):
Shout out to my coach, J C.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
Kunard.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
I put a lot of pressure on him to coach him,
so it's not just my voint. Yeah yeah, but we talked.
We talked. Damn, they're like I'm in the league. We
talk every now on the phone. How we can implement
better programs, workout who can get him to compete against.
I mean we're every day on it, and he understands
the vision. So, like I said, a lot of it's me,
but a lot of time I try to put him
in a lab with him. That way I can watch
him up top and see what we can work on
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to get better.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
See and Jay, you your son right now, you've been
coaching him forever now, since how.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
Old he was started four years old?
Speaker 2 (06:59):
And like you like his head coach, like his head coach.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
No, you've been his head coach all the way high school.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Talking to me about like how do you separate being
a coach and a father and no, when to turn
it on and off? Like that's because you don't want
to turn your son off by being too much inny,
Like how do you like balance that?
Speaker 3 (07:24):
You got to make the adjustment to them. Yeah, okay,
I've learned that, Like you got to make especially when
they start getting older.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
When they're young, you are the con.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
Everything right now. You gotta be realistic. You want him
to have freedom and creativity. You don't want him to
be not have a voice, not be able to express itself.
You got to understand if you've been out there when
he going, he might tell you, Now we don't run that,
like he doesn't tell me in the game and get
him out, put him in. I look like that's the
right thing that you kind of like don't tell me,
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but you know you didn't did that as a point?
Speaker 5 (07:58):
Did that right?
Speaker 3 (07:59):
So why are you gonna try to be a daddy
like what I learned? You can't try to I'm the daddy.
Be quiet in the basketball. No, you gotta be respectful
of the game. And if you got to help me,
and you gotta understand his energy. Sometimes you gotta tell me, man,
shut up for real. But you got to understand too
when he going like and and he helped me with that, like,
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but I knew that it was on the onus is
on me to make the adjustment. That's what I do know.
So it's up to me to make the adjustment. And
then you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
And no, this is kind of dope because you got
to your son is sixteen and your son twelve.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
It's twelve.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
So like you hearing him say this, it's like, all right,
the transition you not at that point now with like that,
because now you can you.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
Can be on bro.
Speaker 5 (08:46):
I'm go to the basic fundamentals.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
I want to get off to a great you know start,
and then I will allow him to you know, to
be coached by whoever.
Speaker 5 (08:52):
But that's gonna be strategic as well.
Speaker 4 (08:53):
But yeah, I'm also I'm looking to talk to Diane
about it, saying, oh, that's dope with yeah, because that's
why I got my degree just in case I go
to college. Yep, this case I go pro. So it's
just being able to be ready.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
And I'm gonna tell you this, you in La, you
gotta please. I gotta get him at least something from
working with you. And the thing is, like you.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Know, to be dope easy your son work with him,
and your son work with him because like you did
the development side.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
Already, what he's going through, and now.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
If your son can get this right here to where
your son trying to get to.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
Oh, but the basic thing is the love. The kids
make their own lucky, their own style, but it's the
love that were putting in them, and we're nurturing that love.
We're giving them the reality of if you really want
this is what it is. You know, we're not putting
pressure on these kids, but if they love and we
gotta be real with them, is that honest place.
Speaker 5 (09:53):
Your son is twelve thirteen.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Thirteen, next month sixteen, so you understand what he going
through right now and everything. Talk to me about what's
the best, Like what foundationally are you trying to implement
into them young?
Speaker 3 (10:14):
Values?
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (10:17):
Values?
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Like what did that's what you was like, like what
are you like? So the first thing that you said values,
but you like implement a young like a competitive spirit
or an attitude.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
Now you know what's the foundation? What would you build him? Okay?
Speaker 3 (10:34):
I didn't train him with basketball. What I did was
I was still into it, so he would come get
shots up with me and he could get jumped in
with whoever was going on. But what I was focused
on was him understanding you're gonna work out hard every
day for life. And that was the fact about basketball.
(10:55):
Forget about hard first, work hard first, and enjoy it.
So I looked up and I gave him some thing
to do with his tenth birthday. I'll never forget it.
He got ready to do his push ups and I
picked him up. He had worked out four straight years,
no days off of just doing his own thing and
getting up doing push up squads, and that let me
know that this guy he worked for something he ain't.
(11:17):
So that's when I really started like, okay, let me
jump on this now. He didn't because I looked up
like damn he ten.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
That was four years.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
He ain't missed the dad. He got ready to do him.
I picked him up, like, nah, no you off or
it's off day. You could be off days like yeah,
you didn't. Got to prove that no more. Let me now,
let's talk about it now. And I started seeing him,
and then we had the pandemic. He's a pandemic baby.
He down there. I'm coming downstairs. He watching Elijah win
(11:45):
Doctor Jay. I'm gonna sit down and talk.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
Chop it up.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
Like now we're having conversations because he's digging deep. He's
out there shooting sky hugs a night like I'm looking
out my window, so I'm seeing his love. And what
he did was he forced my me, my hand to
work hard, like don't let him down. Don't you be
the one let him down, don't have Oh you want
to go chill, do whatever you're gonna do. Nah, he
(12:10):
trying to go to the gym. What you're gonna do?
You know what I'm saying. So he forced me. He
forced me to say, this is the period of my life.
I'm gonna give to him. That's fair because of his love,
and but I implement the values of hard work and
playing to win. Just win, you know, don't worry about
nothing but winning. That's the goal of Because they live
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in a different day. I'm watching these kids. They learned
the game through training. We learned the game. We played
sports and we just got good off and somebody told
us you we was good, Like, hey, you want to
play for this team over here? You know I like
you look good boy? You walk over here with me.
This is better over here. Like they learned the game
from Hey, we got seventy five dollars, can you help
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him with this good shot? Like why you got making shots?
I paid you, Like you know what I mean? Like,
like that's how But that's how they make it jump.
Speaker 5 (13:10):
Right money, Like the game is defense.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
They closed it out, you know what I mean. But
that's how they learning basketball. Think we didn't. We didn't
learn it like that. We went and played whatever we
did and you won, and then you just played to win,
and then you learned how to play like that, you
know what I'm saying. They learned like just drilllly, you know,
head down a minute. That's how they learning basketball. The skills.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
What kind of foundation are you building with your son?
Speaker 4 (13:44):
Just for me, it's a lot of different layers, but
right now, in the early beginning, just how to play
the game the right way, you know what I mean?
I said this little things, the fundamentals being a value
in being a great teammate and shout out to a sister.
She's a thankfully she got a scholarship to Obama. But
about her most, she's she's an awesome teammate. You know,
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she's always positive, she's always giving constructive criticism, but allowing
herself to be coach at a young age. Just it's
something that you know, sometimes I've teared up just watching
her how.
Speaker 5 (14:15):
She becomes, what type of teammates she is.
Speaker 4 (14:17):
So getting her brother to understand that, you know, first
and foremost being a great teammate. Yeah she's not for
sure she'd help me, but like seeing that past that,
that's what I pride myself in when I was playing,
you know, just be like the hell of a teammate,
you know what I mean, Like being a guy that
was un selfish that if a guy needed a better
in his back.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
I was doing it.
Speaker 5 (14:33):
If a guy I needed, you know, two more shots,
I was giving that.
Speaker 4 (14:35):
So it was like being able to sacrifice and understanding
that you know, my happiness is through other people's happiness
on the court.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
So tell me what it's like seeing your son take
over a game or something, because I didn't see anymore
on Instagram and I'm like, damn, that's little dude. Yeah,
it's what's that feeling?
Speaker 4 (14:53):
It's an amazing feeling, you know, even at the young age,
you know, these young AU tournaments, you know.
Speaker 5 (14:58):
Especially what he's going through.
Speaker 4 (14:59):
As far as a couple years back, he was like, Dad,
how do I handle the pressure?
Speaker 5 (15:02):
Because he's starting to have the name, and.
Speaker 4 (15:04):
Every time he's playing now, you know, the people are
circling the court, so he's kind of figure like, oh damn,
eleven years old every time they want an interview on
So I blocked him doing interviews.
Speaker 5 (15:16):
You know.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
I try to keep him, you know, as much as
the kid as possible, you know, like I say, we'll
get to that stage when you get there, especially all
this new NL things, So I'm trying to keep him
level headed as much as possible. To you don't have
Instagram yet, I'm just staying hungry.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
A lot of teach Instagram to high school.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Same to you, how do you refeel like your son
putting in that work, like just like going just killing,
Like damn you've been seeing because your son right now
he one of the top players in the country, top juniors.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
Like what's that like? Just seeing that?
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Like he averaged Like right now, little Crow junr is
one of the top scores in California history on pace.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
How is that? Just like seeing them players best game?
Like how you like? How you feel?
Speaker 3 (16:03):
You know what you really in real time? So you're
trying to the better he gets. You're trying to get
more critical.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
You're trying to.
Speaker 5 (16:12):
You you gotta keep.
Speaker 4 (16:14):
Right now, to me, I know these things like right
now they're the hunted.
Speaker 5 (16:18):
It's like I got to keep him hungry. I got
to keep understanding.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
I got to get more critical.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
But that's what drives our relationship though, because he's at
the stage where he understands that and he wants to know.
Like that's what's driving us at this level. Like the challenges.
The thing about what I've always done, I've always like
I hear Ronald, he about to play this high. You
know what I'm saying, Freshman JV. He about to go.
That's what you gotta do. You got to always put
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the new challenges up there. It's no time to celebrate
right now, like we we're going to enjoy the moment.
And it's been great moments. I mean, we want to
state championship.
Speaker 5 (16:54):
I mean, so that's not the goal. That's not a
lot of goals. Yea oftime to go correct.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
That's a good journey.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
What is your best game that you think you ever had.
I'm gonna run that by both of y'all. What is
the best game that you think you ever had? And
before y'all go, I'm gonna give y'all second. Since y'all here,
I'm gonna tell y'all something that I feel about. What
is y'all for me? I'm gonna start with Rondo. I
didn't you know I was the best. Now, I'm not
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gonna go with his best game. I'm gonna go with
what I feel is one of the best moments for me,
just for me at the game Orlando, you got to steal,
you lay out on the floor, grab the ball, you
hop up, crossover. Yeah, you know, I didn't get a
lot of games I didn't get and I know this play,
(17:47):
this play I was at the game. This is one
of the greatest plays that I've ever seen. I'm a
defensive player. I know great like you dove on the
floor first. Everybody needs to watch he don't it wasn't
he eating behind the ball? And Jason beat Jason Williams
to the ball. Jason Williams to think he was gonna
beat him do it. He beat him to the ball,
(18:09):
but he laid out the only chance he had to
get it right. He didn't.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
All right, let's watch it right here right react to
this rewinded real quick.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
We're gonna watch him, he pushed him. React to Ron.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Don't react to this. You behind him?
Speaker 5 (18:24):
Ah for me, was always trying to play with energy
and effort.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
That's the garden.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
Look at you behind him. He was about to pick
the ball up. You dive in between his legs.
Speaker 5 (18:34):
And the crazy thing is we up seventeen look.
Speaker 4 (18:38):
Like that, but look at it. I didn't realize I
got foundtil I watched the replay.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
No, I know you right away. I'm sitting right behind there.
I'm sitting right there. That's where I'm sitting, right at
your face.
Speaker 5 (18:50):
I'm watching this in the.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
Corner right there.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
I'm sitting right there. Then, I'm sitting behind Williams right there.
Look at the hand, push you. He pushed you. I'm like,
he pushed it. Oh my god, that's one of the
best players I've ever seen live in the playoff game.
And and that was like a checkmate for them for
the whole deal. So that's one of the that's the
best player I've ever seen.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
Best play. So what do you feel was your best
game ever?
Speaker 3 (19:18):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (19:19):
Best game ever? He got some crazy I wouldn't say,
like I said.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
A lot of people may say probably the heat game,
but I can't say that because we lost, so I
never celebrated and the loss.
Speaker 5 (19:33):
But no, the game I think, well, I had the
most pressure.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
That y'all lost. Y'alls he got forty four something, y'all lost,
hold on, hold on.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
First of all, it was this no this point, let's
keep it wanting.
Speaker 5 (19:56):
No, I would never team. It was always your team.
Y'all just gave me a lot more rope, but still
always that.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Was at this point.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
You have to adapt. Everybody here wants to win.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
What was this two thousand?
Speaker 3 (20:07):
Everybody wants to win, guys, Unless everybody wants to win.
If I go get forty something something something, dog, y'all lost.
Speaker 6 (20:17):
Dog.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
This was no.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
We had we had a bullets playing for money.
Speaker 5 (20:20):
Who was in Miami?
Speaker 6 (20:21):
I need more money. I told these dudes to do.
He rushing out after game, held.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
Out while were thinking about why in basketball you can't
hold out? You can't after forty four he should have.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
All right, all right, well that was the best game, bro?
Speaker 3 (20:42):
What was forty more? That was the best game? You
can't win them all?
Speaker 1 (20:47):
Fortys forty four was this?
Speaker 3 (20:51):
And that? Come on, no, they start standing the Lord Winty.
I watched my son. This is the thing. I watched you.
They start sitting the load at you and it's too easy,
that's too much. You have went to another level when
you start getting forty on these people on the play
in this atmosphere. Yes they have to.
Speaker 5 (21:12):
They was giving me the shot and they got hit,
every one of them.
Speaker 6 (21:15):
But now.
Speaker 4 (21:17):
After I would say the Jeremy Lynn game or the Cleveland.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
Game four, I will never forget that German.
Speaker 5 (21:22):
So the Lend game.
Speaker 4 (21:23):
I mean I heard weeks about you know Jamie Lynn sanity.
Speaker 5 (21:27):
You turned on the TV and.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
He just popped the Lakers in the garden in the
garden game.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
Where was that game at a.
Speaker 5 (21:35):
National It was coming in Boston.
Speaker 4 (21:37):
And mind you, they said he went to Harvard, so
he already got before the game. It was them there
like a c It was a of media, the ladia
right after game.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
They laid it out for you to get you was
on the but he was, But he was.
Speaker 5 (21:51):
He was frying everybody that was he was lining up with.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
He was getting to the money and knowing that he
was in the scouting port at this point now, and
it's like everybody's tired of hearing his name, and then
I'm hearing I'm in Boston. So it's like Sandy, Sandy,
I'm getting pressured from obviously the Big Three saying it
to him, pressure from the media like, man, he bet
not coming. I'm like, I'm bet not coming here, talking
about the guy is doing the jersey. I mean, everybody's
looking like, bro, don't do man like you off. So
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I mean I really obviously I slept on it. Manifested
what I'm gonna do.
Speaker 5 (22:21):
And I wouldn't. I wouldn't taken it. I wouldn't. I
couldn't allow that.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
So by the way, versut the mix and that run
sanity was going off. He just beat the Lakers at
the buzzer down the stretch. Rondo comes into Boston, and
Rono puts up eighteen points, seventeen rebounds, and twenty.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
As Sister Goodness Grace.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
Yeah, it's safe to say you probably let us in
all categories.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
He got a lot of saying, a lot of good food.
Speaker 5 (22:49):
Okay, now you had also probably had.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
I the game number.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
Let take.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
Listen, listen, let me tell you about when you had
him pass you the ball. And when you're playing with
a passer like this, you want to make sure you
really locked in because you want to you want him
to get to assist. Like, I don't know what it is.
I felt like every time you passed me the ball,
I had to make the shot.
Speaker 5 (23:21):
Man.
Speaker 4 (23:21):
I feel like every time I passed you wanted right
in your hands seamed up like.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
I wanted to, like Rondo got me in a good spot. Bom.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
It was like as a score, like and you got
to assist. Man like this, you want to be like,
all right, I gotta make him he didn't penetrate and
got me open.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
I gotta make sure I knock this down. So like, listen,
that's the thing though, was.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
The number one point guards you play with. I'm not mad,
I'm okay. I'm the high school point guard it's cool.
I can take that.
Speaker 5 (23:51):
Or not.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
I got you going. You wouldn't be nothing without me.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
He wasn't even wasn't.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
Cut you a he goat, I know I'm cool. Look
I got you going. I thought you more.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
I want to look.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
Am I better than Look? I got try out? All
your dunks? Is me?
Speaker 6 (24:20):
No?
Speaker 2 (24:20):
Look I went off. I would I might have had
thirty in this practicy Ja thro hit me. I'm on
fire though, I'm every shot every three. J going to
me though, all right, No, Norell. He got me my
first dunk in the game.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
Uh Ja up there? He kept me. I gotta say, j.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
Get over Jack. He was going. He was doing the
other dude I was going.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
He said, who your best friend?
Speaker 3 (24:53):
He was going to you?
Speaker 1 (24:55):
All right?
Speaker 2 (24:55):
You kept me from getting cut. Yeah, get Jock vonn
He had me big, well, MVP.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
That was you a big twelve tournament.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
He wouldn't give you dimes. Let's watch the fan, watch
the Inglewood, get the Inglewood. Pilm in here. I'll take
by Rondo, Rondo up here getting Rondo. I'll do behind.
I'll take behind Rondo. I'm just trying to get above.
That's all.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
So another game that come to mind is playoffs Game
four versus Cass. Rondo goes for twenty nine points. Listening
to this, eighteen rebounds and thirteen assists and two steals.
And before we even get to that, no, no, no, no,
before we even get to that. The Caves were the
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number one seed that year they won sixty plus games.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
We were the fourth seed. I believe, I think we
were four seed.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
And there was a discussion like a month before the
season ended, to like, do we want to be the
four seed? Do we want to move up to the
three seeds a couple of weeks? A couple of weeks right,
because we could have moved up to the three seed
if we do? We want to rest and and say
stay at the four or do we want to play
go go up to the three. It was a lot
(26:12):
of discussion we had this meeting. It was Rondo, Ray,
me and KG said. Doctor was like, do y'all want
to try to get the three seed or we can
rest a little bit and stay at the four. Ronald
was like, hell, no, we want the four seed because
we want the calf second round, they the number one seed.
Bron is having sick year. He's the m v P
this year, and I'm sitting there like, because I got
a Gulf, I got a guard brother, I'm like, damn.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
I gotta catch Guly.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
Yeah, I'd rather catch you, Blake. I'm think I probably
want to catch you, Blake. You want to catch you.
I want to catch you. Listen to go to the title.
It's too close, so let's catch you. Bron was like, no,
let's get these let's just fade in the second round.
And when I look back at it, I see why
because this probably was one of Rondo's greatest series as ever.
He I think he averaged the triple double.
Speaker 5 (26:59):
Uh uh.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
I mean he wanted Williams and I'm thinking, my god, damn,
we want to see Bron again.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
I got a go deal with this young Bull, and
Bron is the m v P this year too, all right, whatever,
you know.
Speaker 5 (27:11):
What young But obviously I knew that, Master, That's how
you felt. I was.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
Young Bull wanted I want it.
Speaker 5 (27:16):
It was against him though, That's how I look at it.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
It can't beat us, all right, And so yeah, you
know that's one of the things that stand out how
your mentality was, because you you.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
It's like, you want to smoke.
Speaker 5 (27:30):
Let's get it.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
Let's get to you want to smoke.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
And I was like, yeah, okay, and you're the youngest
out of us because I you know, I didn't say nothing.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
I was just sitting there.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
Right now. Yeah that was but that you said that
was good because I like that. That was the changing
of the guard. You coming into your own with your voice.
You a man.
Speaker 5 (27:59):
Now, I was an the meetings.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
Now, this is life, this is life. It was the
big this is life. Everybody is. This is the thing
about when you're raising your kids, you have to be
ready to like y'all had to adapt to him. He's growing.
He's growing, don't stan stiny his growth. You adapt to him.
So now it's going to work better like that, you
know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
Like as you get older too.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
And Doc started explaining it more and it was like
all right, Like for me, I want to see if
he was ready, you know. And I was just like,
you know when I started seeing him looking up eighteen
twenty this is a national games. Pressure then twenty five,
twelve and thirteen, what year you got the keys? H
(28:44):
you're driving down? Shoot shotgun? Just let me know when
you need me. That's what it was.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
So what you think is your greatest game?
Speaker 1 (28:52):
For me?
Speaker 3 (28:52):
Yeah? For you? Now, what's your.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
Greatest greatest game?
Speaker 3 (28:55):
Man?
Speaker 1 (28:55):
I ad some cool?
Speaker 3 (28:56):
Was the Lebron game?
Speaker 2 (28:58):
Like, I'm I think my greatest game, Damn, I'm gonna
say Game seven versus Lebron because the pressure it was,
like damn classic it was. It was pressure. We can't
go home right now, we're the favorite. We didn't want
sixty six games, we cannot go on the second round.
And I was just like, man, I gotta go against
(29:18):
this dude right here again.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
Like how many games did they win when y'all beat
them that year?
Speaker 1 (29:23):
They was the fourth seed.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
So the year when y'all beat them in twenty.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
Ten, what was in two thousand and they wont like
sixty six sixty five games?
Speaker 3 (29:32):
Damn. So if she was on the.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
Other they was the favorite.
Speaker 5 (29:35):
They say it was MVP.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
I mean he was the MVP of the league. This
was his fourth year in the league.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
Yeah, this is a making that's a make him ring
game to go and just emerge and go for that
because that was If you don't do that, then it's
like it changed your whole narrative your career.
Speaker 5 (29:50):
Game seven, like, I mean, it.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
Changed your whole figure. Yeah, now I remember, you know.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
What I remember about that day though.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
I remember I was like I got to the arena
like three three thirty that day, and I was like,
hold on, I just want to get on before everybody.
I'd have seen some stuff in the defense. You know,
I'm watching the film. I'm watching him. I'm like, damn,
this is open right here. I should be taking this shot.
So like I'm like, damn, every time I come up
to pick and roll, he off. I can get this
mill ranch. Oh damn, he show I can do this,
(30:20):
you know, because when when slice roll, that's my side
picking roll, you know. So I'm looking at all of that,
I'm like, oh, okay, I can get this off right here.
This is easy money right here. So I was working
on that three thirty. I'm coming off the pig like
this is gonna be open tonight.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
Boom.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
So I'm going to that early, you know what I'm saying.
So I was liked it in my mind going to that,
I said, I'm wanna be super aggressive today. I'm going
down swinging like that's my mindset. I said, hell no,
I'm out to go toe to tone with this dude,
this little young monster. So that's what it was. And
I was like, and the thing I took the challenge, dude,
you can stop, dude, but you know what, I'm gonna
(30:54):
make it hard on them, and you know how else,
I'm gonna go at you on the other end, right,
So that defense, Yeah, you gotta play defense night. So
if you're gonna go at me, I'm gonna go right
at you. And so that's why. And the pressure on
it because we it was game seven, it was the
number one seed, and so I'm gonna say, I'm gonna
say game seven. I want to talk about so in
saying the greatest games, because we heard the numbers. I
(31:15):
mean the numbers, men and women, a lot of numbers.
I mean, people don't understand how hard it was in
that day to get trouble doubles. Now, I just feel like,
because how the game changed and the power forward. See,
the power forward in our day was the specialist rebounder.
I mean he was like gonna lead the league in
(31:35):
rebounder defense. Now stretch you know, so it was more
difficult to get a triple double from the guards, you know,
and then rebounds you a guard, I ain't get out
of here.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
You be coming here for a rebound.
Speaker 5 (31:47):
That's what power forward.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
It was two on the box, it was three out,
two in, so it wasn't that open.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
I just want to talk about the way you.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
Kind of went about like you was the triple Like
think about this, Ronda would have five six triple doubles,
and he was the triple double.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
King in that era, in that air, you know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
Where it was one year you had six triple doubles
and nobody in the rest of the league had more
than one.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
That's crazy. Twenty twelve crazy, No, I'm looking so this six.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
So when you're teaching your kid, So when you're teaching
your son, you're teaching your son this this is the
last era for stuff. For me, I'm trying to get
him the value of rebounding. He had one triple double,
but that rebounding aspect, to see some of the numbers
you was having like almost like three, you was having
like almost back.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
That's seventeen setin. So he knew, Yeah, I'm already standing there,
he's gonna come in there.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
Are you teaching yours like rebound, rebound, rebound?
Speaker 4 (32:53):
Yeah, I mean, because one you don't have to you
can start to break. I mean, you need the out
that pass. Now you're ever as soon as you get
the rebound, you have to see up the floor right away.
You don't need to look back or reach for the
ball where you take your ays off the court. So
for me, I was able to get to the rebounds
quick as possible. Now I'm able to dictate in many
of the game.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
So you know what I'm gonna ask you this because
this this is a good question. I talk about this.
This ain't never been talked about. I'm not a proponent
of assists to turnover ratio. That don't matter to me. Me.
I'm going steals, offensive rebounds to turnovers because you can
(33:28):
get eight assists, but your turnovers you can have. Okay,
you got two turnof like what kind of turnovers already?
Like that's not really how many balls did you get back?
How we compare an assists to turnovers? You might have
some rebounds and steals to turnovers because those of.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
The eight assists five turnovers, but three steals and three
offensive rebounds.
Speaker 3 (33:51):
No really tripping turnovers like a lot of times getting
it back.
Speaker 4 (33:55):
But it also depends on like steals, but if your
taking three threes.
Speaker 5 (34:02):
Versus your steals leads.
Speaker 3 (34:04):
That's what I'm saying, assist. But that's what I'm saying,
assist at all, because now, as says, if we don't
even know what's going on with these assists and he's
turnover like assistant to me, don't make up for a turnovers.
It's the moment of the game. But at least, if
I'm looking at your steals, I'm looking at what you
gave away. Like you said, we can't measure the points,
but I'm looking at what you gave away. I'm looking
what you took. If you came up with three offensive
(34:25):
rebounds and five steals, but you have five turnovers? All right,
how was your turn how many you had in the
fourth like you might have You might have been trying
to run a play and then the dude ain't getting there.
You forcing you throwing it Like, get your ass there,
I'm throwing you up. You know what I'm saying. It's
the first quarter of the fourth quarter. We ain't doing that.
But you getting five steals, that's taking the ball away.
(34:46):
That's live steals. That's not forcing turnovers. That's live. All
steals are live.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
We going this way, But you might not convert, But.
Speaker 3 (34:56):
I'm just saying, compared to assists, I'm a more proponent
of steals to turnovers. That's how I look at it,
because I'm supposed to telling my son like like, because
he might have five assists, five turnovers, sixty eight steals.
Speaker 5 (35:16):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (35:24):
But I'm just saying, but you got eight steals like
he had. He had a lot of games, like he
had a playoff game, twelve steals, four turnovers. And it's like,
I'm going, this is me I started looking at when
I was playing though, because I would have turnovers. I'm
gonna have turnovers like I would have turnover. I'm gonna
have turnovers, but i'm gonna have I'm gonna have steals,
(35:45):
and i'm gonna have I'm gonna have assist too. What
I'm saying for me is steals offensive rebounds because it's
giveaways takeaways. I don't know why we compare assists to turnovers.
They're not They're not one thing or the other. Like
this is one is a giveaway, one is a takeaway.
You know what I'm saying. That's just how I look
at it.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
For me from coaching, I mean, that's an interesting perspective.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
Try to think about it. I don't. I don't compare.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
It as you try as the game you're trying to
innovate and see, yeah.
Speaker 3 (36:17):
Be aggressive. I don't teacher that like you gotta just
assist the term like no, we're.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
Not like like I look at and staying on the
assisting and Rondo was great at that obviously, but the
rebounding aspect of it, and you was able to beat
them like what we considered the master of the triple
double now Stills and the steals like it went from
for so for me and my basketball kind of reference,
(36:43):
you know, you go from Oscar Robinson to Magic Johnson
to Jason Kidd and the bridges to you.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
You know, just talk about like is this like something
you prided yourself.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
pH on and just being great in all areas because
I just feel like, you know, you're probably the most
underrated rebounding guard in history for that time, you know
what I'm saying, because now guards, I don't understand how
some of these guards average nine rebounds and they can't
jump over a book because it was hard to get rebound.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
But yeah, it was hard to get.
Speaker 5 (37:16):
Rebound, like I said, it was.
Speaker 3 (37:18):
It was three.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
Luca couldn't get nine rebounds. He couldn't get nine rebounds
in our.
Speaker 3 (37:25):
Era's not talking about Luca right now.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
KG averaged eleven rebounds.
Speaker 4 (37:29):
What us It was two for foot on the court
and yeah, around all the time, all the time, nobody
point line.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
I couldn't do that in our era.
Speaker 5 (37:37):
It might have been two players on the three point
line back and.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying, because we crowded the paint.
Speaker 3 (37:42):
Now it's sloppy.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
It was all mirrord Less song three.
Speaker 3 (37:45):
I'm just saying, let's not talk about what Luca couldn't do.
He could adapt to.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
He's Luca and Lebron.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
Lucas all kind of like they' all kind of like
I think for the inspiration to this new generation of guys,
kind of like now I feel like the triple doubles
master because of the way the.
Speaker 3 (38:03):
Game is played.
Speaker 4 (38:04):
Yeah, and I mind you, I'm the only one that's
six to one, all right, you inside of everybody getting
them leading the league. Yeah, But for me, it was
just trying to, you know, dictate the game other ways
than scoring, you know, I mean I had the Big three,
so I was like, how can I impact make an
impact on the game, okay, back getting off his rebounds,
extra possessions, deepest rebounds leading to you know, scoring in
(38:25):
the first four five seconds of the shot clock. So
it was just again, how can I make my game
implement to make the big threes game a lot easier
for them?
Speaker 5 (38:33):
That was just my way of thinking.
Speaker 3 (38:34):
You know something too, I'm gonna tell you of your
first game. So I'm at the game, the first game
of the year. What was you two thousand and nine, right,
I was six once you get there, two thousand and
six six. Ye. So I'm near the first game whatever,
you know, I'm always donna catch a game. I run
to Bill Duffy. Bill Duffie tells me, this is your
first game, rookie year. Bill Duffie tells me, he said,
(38:55):
you watched next year. This this, this guy is gonna
be better than everybody out there. The guard because they
had a lot of guards. Ya ya ya was stockpiled.
You know. At this point, I don't know college basketball.
I'm living in Europe. We don't even get no. I
don't watch nothing. I don't know nothing from nothing college basketball.
I'm watching Mental Genobli in Italy. Right, that's all I
(39:16):
can see, you know what I mean. So he just
told me that that day and to see that manifest
because he was like, this is my guy. He's gonna
be better than the audience watching. I've seen what he
can do. And I'm looking like, hold on, they got
like four point guards out here, because who was on
that roster.
Speaker 5 (39:32):
It was a lot of yeah guards, Alan Ray came
in with me.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
Some guards forgot about.
Speaker 3 (39:39):
Yeah, the rookie year, there was a lot of guards.
There was a stockpiled up twin guards though it was
like it was at least three point guards that was
there on open the day roster. So he wasn't started
opening day.
Speaker 5 (39:52):
No, I didn't start for a long time.
Speaker 3 (39:54):
Started the year.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
I remember like one of the last game of the seasons,
he went for thirty.
Speaker 5 (39:58):
We lot eighteen straight that year.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
Get out.
Speaker 5 (40:00):
That's the year that was mentally taxing it. I'm like,
this is what the league is. I didn't know what
what was going on.
Speaker 3 (40:05):
That was the first I was at the first game.
I got out of there. I was at my first game.
Speaker 5 (40:11):
He was out, he was outside, it was it was over.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
I wasn't there.
Speaker 3 (40:15):
I was at the first game, just a couple.
Speaker 4 (40:17):
Of days we got on my shot of Olam candy.
That was my veat observe.
Speaker 2 (40:25):
I knew that I looked back, I knew what it
was on. It was like we're trying to take Peek
go home.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
A little bit.
Speaker 5 (40:29):
We try to get that pic all right, y'all.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
There you have it.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
Man.
Speaker 1 (40:32):
It's good to see my boy.
Speaker 2 (40:33):
Catch up with man here and give Rondo's flowers. Man, Hey,
check it out, man, join this weekly. That's it from
the Truth Lounge, Rondo J.
Speaker 1 (40:42):
Crow Man. Appreciate you, bro. I can't wait to see
you again.
Speaker 3 (40:46):
Man.
Speaker 1 (40:46):
I love always chopping it over.
Speaker 3 (40:51):
Yeah,
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