December 11, 2024 • 28 mins
This week on TRUTH LOUNGE, Paul Pierce, Jason Crowe, and Arlo Dotson dive deep into the latest NBA news and hot takes! The trio breaks down the struggles of some of the league’s most intriguing teams—the Pelicans, Lakers, and Nuggets—and debates what moves each franchise can make to get back on track. Is it time to trade Zion Williamson? Should The Nuggets go after Jimmy Butler? Plus, Paul reflects on his legendary defensive matchup against Penny Hardaway, sparking a conversation about the best defenders of all-time in NBA history. Finally, in a fun twist, The Truth reveals which player he wanted to dunk on the most during his illustrious career!
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Yo, y'all, y'all go offer to the truth Cloud. It's
going down to day. Welcome back to another episode of
(00:23):
the Truth Flunge. Of course, my co host Jay Crow
in the house and I got my boy from Houston.
Rlo Dotson is in the crib. What's up man? Hey?
Speaker 2 (00:30):
So?
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Uh, what's going on with the New Orleans Pelicans? Man
like Zion Ingram Zion always heard what would you do?
What would y'all do with with Zion at this point?
Because it's like.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
There's nothing really to do. I mean, you invested in him.
He's not worth much on the open market.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
You don't think nobody can get him? Would you trade
for him?
Speaker 4 (00:55):
Me?
Speaker 5 (00:56):
No, I'm if I'm a businessman, No, I don't want that. Guy.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
Argue, well, you have no stars, you have no drap.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
That's what I'm saying, such as who say like a.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Brooklyn Brooklyn, but he's not showing up, he's not healthy,
so what is it use to getting him?
Speaker 1 (01:14):
I'm just saying, what do you do? What do you
do if you don't have no star?
Speaker 3 (01:18):
You can't get a star because you don't have no assets,
no tradable assets. So you don't have like you don't
give up Ben Simmons basion. Did they take it? I'm
take the hat if you New Orleans you're taking that.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
I mean, you gotta give me.
Speaker 5 (01:32):
Organization right now.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
You've got time to go an putting your carell in
the line for that. You have to You're not the
owner now right They subject to dismissal.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
What about you got to get keV Thomas for him
or something.
Speaker 5 (01:49):
Though. You can't give up Cam Thomas. Was Zion Williamson
right now?
Speaker 4 (01:53):
Just Zion.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
This is Zion is a healthy Zion is one of
the best in the league.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
What you gotta remember is that let me went out.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Yeah, that's the best.
Speaker 6 (02:02):
His last work in the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
Always be in everyone's mind.
Speaker 6 (02:08):
That was a monumental game where he was about to
take it off and then he gets hurt.
Speaker 5 (02:12):
I don't even know what you're talking about. It in
my mind, you want to look at that game.
Speaker 6 (02:18):
It was at the game like he had like almost
like forty they were about to win until he got
hurt about and he got hurt right here right on script.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
So that's why I put God on.
Speaker 6 (02:31):
He always think that if I get him on my
team and I can figure out I can get his
nutrition right, I can get his health right. I have
a top potential, top ten player on my team because health.
He's a top ten player.
Speaker 5 (02:44):
Right at that money.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
Right, if he was young and he was like he
was up and coming, I would say that that's a
good move because the risk is low. At the money
he's making right now, it's too much stage.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Look look, look, look, look his contract. You know about
his contract. You can out of his contract if you
don't play a number of games. You could waive them
right now the last three years. So they getting ready
to take that risk.
Speaker 6 (03:07):
If I'm like, yeah, I take that, he has Ye,
he has to me four ways where his body five
percent is just to be at a certain number, or
you can get out of his contract.
Speaker 5 (03:16):
And I need that. Why do I need all the
he's a top ten player when he's healthy. He's not healthy,
never been a top ten player. So I'm not going
to invest in bad property. I'm an investor. I'm not
investing in bad property.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
But a lot of NBA money is spent on potential. Yeah, now,
and so he has the potential.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
But if you Brooklyn or say it's like, let's say like.
Speaker 7 (03:39):
He's losing potential though, what if it's one of them
teams like that that You're just like, man, they need
a start here, Charlotte, Charlotte wet, but they lose it.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
They have a draw in thirty, they can't win.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
They can't win.
Speaker 5 (03:58):
Neither can't New Orleans.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
When they're healthy, when they're healthy, listen.
Speaker 6 (04:03):
And it's another thing you ain't think about with Zion, Right,
if you get him and he can't play more pepong balls,
if you get him and he does play, you bothering.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
So you gotta think about the aspect too, because you
can always.
Speaker 5 (04:19):
Get him the GM. I don't want to do that.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
Are you do? You trolling her?
Speaker 5 (04:24):
Maybe this is something I want to try to leverage.
I'm trying to get rip dump fire.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Sell fire seal.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
When you got mad plumbing in your house, trying to
sell it, Damn, the plumb is.
Speaker 5 (04:37):
Gonna cost.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
I mean, you gonna lose ing.
Speaker 5 (04:44):
I got one hundred times to fix up this plumb
trying to get off this house.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
You're gonna lose Ingram Right, you and Zion?
Speaker 6 (04:51):
Why would any one in New Orleans go to a
game you can't sell anybody else.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
That's what I'm saying it's just a tough situation for
New Orleans. They was right there and they really haven't
fully responded from when they had the Boogey Cousins and
a d when that didn't really work out. They had
some potential, like you said, they they was looking like
they was going to be able to do something, but
they got guys that can't stay healthy. You are what
(05:15):
you are. What I don't try to do. I'm not
a detective. I don't try to figure out what's going on.
I'm going off what you show me. These guys have
not shown me they can compete consistently for the duration
of the season and be ready to win playoff games.
So me, as a general manager my career, I don't
want to deal with it. But they're exciting that, you know.
(05:35):
Like you said, Repelicans, it's just a tough, tough organizations
of a decisions.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Right, let's talk. Let's talk about the Lakers. So on,
let's before we go further. We got some other what's
what should the Lakers do?
Speaker 5 (05:48):
Nothing?
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Nothing, Just wait for Lebron aging players.
Speaker 5 (05:52):
It's a new NBA. No, no, no, they got aging players.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
No, they're not aging player two.
Speaker 5 (05:57):
No, they got to as aging two's thirty one.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Yeah, but he's like that.
Speaker 4 (06:01):
He's like a thirty eight year old thirty one prime.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
He's in his prime.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
But what I'm saying is with their team, okay with that,
What I'm saying with their team is what kind of
move can you make to upgrade the team?
Speaker 5 (06:12):
I don't see moves that can be made.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
What are you seeing from JJ Reddick don't.
Speaker 5 (06:17):
I don't evaluate him like that.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
I don't know, But I'm just saying, when you go
into a game, you lose by twenty nine, then you
lose by forty, then you lose the next game in
double over time. This has been talked about the effort. Yeah,
Lebron is a reflection.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
Lebron is your guy. He's old man. He can't give
you that effort. The one thing that I looked, they
were just showing video of Jordan at forty the defense
he was playing. Lebron is playing offense. He's he's the
point guard. His responsibilities of the point guard are heavy.
He's he can't play defense. So that's just what JJ
Reddick got to deal with. I don't know how JJ
(06:52):
Redick is communicating. He made a bold mode to put
del to the bench. It seems that Delo is taking
it as stride hasn't really caused too much controversy. I
think that was his biggest move as a coach to me,
bringing that young town and trying to get more of
a flow, moving Lebron to the point. So there'll be
a team that we have to see what their playoff
position it is and how they play in those playoff series.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
That's just where I think is if Lebron or a
D missed any significant time, they might not even be
a player.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
Team because that's all they have been is playing Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Like fifth six right no, they yeah, right right now,
Right now, all these young teams are starting to sarge.
You got Oklahoma City of course, Dallas.
Speaker 5 (07:40):
Every night, Houston they play every night.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
And then Minnesota starting to play teamt themselves up. Controversial team.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
Did you trade a D while he has value.
Speaker 6 (07:51):
For who picks young players? But you can't do that
because you got Lebron, so you got.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
It the.
Speaker 5 (08:02):
Value anymore than they used to be.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
The picks are valuable? Why not? Because are valuable? Look
okay man, look at that. That's they built that team
through picks.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
Yeah, but they got Shay he's the guy they traded
for him. He developed, But you gotta get a guy.
All these picks was developed guy. You gotta get a guy.
Speaker 5 (08:25):
Yeah, they're not winning.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
He got a guy winning. Eventually they better this year.
Speaker 5 (08:32):
Are they in the playoffs?
Speaker 1 (08:34):
They're gonna be in the plane. I believe. I think
they might push them.
Speaker 5 (08:36):
They're gonna be in the play in. That's how we
talk now.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
Connect connect started in Connecting league started now any.
Speaker 6 (08:47):
Team pretty connect on a Spurs is on who connect standard?
The standard right here, average starter san Antonio, im gonna
push the legs sacrament don't.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Know to push the Lakesames.
Speaker 5 (09:01):
He can start on.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Sacramento and san Antonio is gonna push the Lakes for
that last playing spot.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
What he's saying is these young teams, like what he
was saying, The young teams are now playing the regular season.
So it's a different NBA when you don't have those
old guard that can play. When MB comes out and says, look,
I'm not playing back to backs, dude, imagine going.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
To your job.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
You get hired, you get hired, you signed, get I'm
not showing up on Mondays and Friday's.
Speaker 8 (09:29):
Boss, I'm gonna use my pt on Wednesdays and Friday,
and I'm showing up on Mondays?
Speaker 1 (09:40):
And did I let you know?
Speaker 4 (09:42):
Did I let you know?
Speaker 1 (09:43):
As a matter of facts, I look at my calendar
in two weeks, it's a Wednesday. I'm gonna take.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
For these young guys is showing up to work every day.
Speaker 5 (09:55):
That's what you see out of Houston. They got a
good young coach. He's pushing. They showing up.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
Okay, season, young team, they're showing up. Uh, we don't
know what's going on in Minnesota. They seem like they
get better. They're getting better right now.
Speaker 5 (10:06):
What I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
They're young and Anthony was going to try to play
as many games as possible.
Speaker 5 (10:10):
You know he's on that.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
So the young guys out west is putting pressure. But
when you get to the playoffs, anything can happen. It's
gonna come down to positioning. Because you still gotta think
Golden State is still dangerous in a playoff series with
Steph they can pop a young team. You know, if
you're gonna if Houston winds up being third and they.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Got to see like a, it's no they're gonna be
a playoff team.
Speaker 5 (10:36):
Is that making them for real.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
No, But I'm just saying, is there like that's a
that's a big lead. That's a huge lead.
Speaker 5 (10:43):
They play hard, They was right there last year. They
but their players are getting better.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Well, I think I give I give a lot of
credits to May he makes a real good ass coach.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
Coaches of Celtics last year? Do they won the chip?
Speaker 5 (11:00):
Can't just say that. I can't give him that. He's
not that.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
I don't know himself.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
The year before he lose the chip? No, I think
he made Coaches the Celtics two years ago they want to.
Speaker 5 (11:10):
But did he lose the chip? He made? So how
we're gonna say he couldn't want it? What is he
done to make you want it?
Speaker 6 (11:16):
You got another year better, another year of cohesion with
your team.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
This guy just won the chip. Let's not let's give
him flowers he wanted.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
He was distracted going on group square.
Speaker 5 (11:36):
Talking to the negative wise and notice they win like that.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
Regroup. You know, Dallas is surgeon, Minnesota surgeon.
Speaker 5 (11:49):
So Dallas is my team.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Do you think they come up? You think they can
come out to West again? I do? I don't know, dude,
because I'm looking at Okay, see when healthy check comes
back and hard and Stein he has given him a lift.
Jalen looking like he taking this next step now.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
Well his uh, things are possible. I'm just saying for myself.
I really like when it comes to the I like
what Lucas. He's starting to find his rhythm. Him and Kyrie,
they just got a connectivity.
Speaker 4 (12:17):
Yeah, and Clay clay value is.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
Going to be shown in the playoffs. That's it. I
don't care about the regular season with them. This is
what they brought Clay in is for what they couldn't
do against Boss Spacing. That that that big shot making
in playoff games. I'm not even worried about playing in
the regular season at this point.
Speaker 5 (12:36):
Yeah, they got two ball dominant guys. They just need
him to provide play.
Speaker 6 (12:41):
He was like the perfect piece for that team. Yeah,
someone who doesn't dribble. You got two people who love
to dribble.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
And he.
Speaker 5 (12:50):
Yeah, he's a good piece for that team. I like Dallas.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
I like them to come out to West Uh yeah
over okayc though, Well.
Speaker 5 (13:00):
I wouldn't be shocked. It ain't like I'm just going
they just.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
They just knocked the Celtics, popped the Celtics.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
Well, they have that type of ability with John Moran,
but I'm just still.
Speaker 5 (13:13):
They do. They had it, but.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
They've been I think they have better squads that lost,
so they still gotta find their niche. But I'm not
gonna knock them. The West is tough right now, you know,
and if they're healthy. John Moran is spectacler. He's he
looks like he's focused, he's you know what I mean,
He's in the headlines for the right reasons right now,
and he's doing this thing.
Speaker 4 (13:32):
He said it wasn't gonna dunk anymore.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
And boy, he had the dunk of the year the
other day on port Sings, didn't he Damn that was
so crazy explosive? Is he the most explosive guard ever? Nah?
Speaker 4 (13:46):
Who is I mean? He said guard. You didn't say
small guy. You just say point guard, point guard. You
got d Rose, you got Westbrook, you got what Westbrook?
There you go.
Speaker 5 (13:57):
I'm because he just go was there with this.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
He's reckless, abandon and just.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Talking about in game dunkers like we was talking about
Jah in Dame Duncan Man.
Speaker 5 (14:09):
Yeah, that dunk is dunk of the year, like you said, So.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
That was the dunk of the year.
Speaker 5 (14:12):
Yeah, do that. That was crazy. That was that was nasty.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
I ain't gonna lie. Well. I like Memphis. I like okay, see,
I like Dallas. I think that's that's gonna be. I
think that's the cream of the crop in the West. Memphis. Okay,
see Dallas.
Speaker 4 (14:32):
That's the joker.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
They just lost the Wizards.
Speaker 5 (14:38):
They their team.
Speaker 4 (14:41):
Season move that they can make that crowd the second
or third you know.
Speaker 5 (14:45):
What they like, and they like it.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
We haven't seen Jamal Murray become a legitimate All Star.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
What have we ever seen him ball in the regular season.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
No, but he's been hurt to come back off the
playoff run. He has Sergey like so we have.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
They need to try to make a move to get
but it.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
Seemed like he was supposed to make like he needs
to make that jump in the regular season.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
They need another scoring punch. They need to try to
go after Pool or Kuzma. I think one of them.
Speaker 4 (15:12):
What about Jimmy Buckets.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
That's the move, Miami.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
If you can come on Jimmy Buckets.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
If they can find a way to get Aaron Gordon,
you gotta come off Murray if anything for something.
Speaker 6 (15:23):
I come off Murray right now for Jimmy playoff Jimmy,
Yeah for sure, because Murray is playoff that they're not
doing that.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
He's not doing it, Mimi, not doing that.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
How many years does Murray lef on this deal?
Speaker 3 (15:35):
He's just not gonna lose a franchise player for a
guy that's averaging seventeen, but.
Speaker 4 (15:39):
He has more time left on his deal. You know, Pat,
he's a type of pack. Murray's got of a pack guy.
You know, he plays hard. You know, he comes through
when it's time to come through.
Speaker 6 (15:48):
Pat would like him and the reason why he want
to come out, Jimmy because.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
Deal recently Murray. So, yeah, he's there til twenty nine.
Speaker 6 (15:55):
So you got time lef on the deal. That's worthing
for Miami spentially time.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
But you don't need him. When you got Rosier, you
got a hero. Yeah, he's not a good they don't
have that's not a good fit. Yeah, they need a
trade off, not for Butler. You got to replace what
he brings with something or get picks.
Speaker 5 (16:13):
That's the team that mays.
Speaker 4 (16:14):
Because they still have all their picks.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
The you gotta come off, Michael Porter Junior. If you
want Jimmy.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
Butler, Yeah bye, we got Aaron Gordon, we got that'll
be great.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Yeah, yeah, that'll be That might be a move.
Speaker 6 (16:28):
Though, because for Joker to be averaging thirty one, thirteen
and ten not even be in an.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
MVP conversation, in a conversation, I mean, but his teammates
win it.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
Yeah, but yeah, you.
Speaker 4 (16:40):
Put them with Jimmy Buck.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
You put it on Jimmy. They like ninth.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
Plan is too early. It's an eighty two game season.
I mean, yeah, but how much as the fourth place team.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
They could win three games?
Speaker 5 (16:54):
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (16:56):
Any defense either you ever watched the Nuggers, name was like,
it's no defense.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
You lost to the Wizards. Dog, that's a that's a low.
Speaking of defense, that's a loan. You can't move. I
don't think you don't need nobody out there to beat
the Wizards, just Joker, but.
Speaker 5 (17:11):
Yo, speaking.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Need a sixty.
Speaker 4 (17:15):
Speaking of the defense, who are you over? Locked up?
Speaker 1 (17:18):
Whoever? I ever locked up? And I said, I just.
Speaker 4 (17:20):
Locked on the top, like a top one of the
ones that we talked about.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
I locked the penny hard away to zero zero points.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
You know, never scored Orlando, not a free throw, Orlando
bad injury.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
Penny Hey, Nate, what fact check that? What?
Speaker 2 (17:36):
What?
Speaker 1 (17:37):
What?
Speaker 2 (17:37):
What? What?
Speaker 1 (17:37):
What year was my rookie? Because I looked up the
penny though I wanted to play against him, but I
wasn't like why. I I was like, I won't smoke.
I won't smoke. I don't know. Let's se let's look
at the stats. What was the shoot penny hard away second? Yeah,
(17:59):
let's see how many many this he played? He didn't
get hurt that game?
Speaker 4 (18:02):
Twenty six minutes he was seven Yeah, reach three turnovers probably.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
Six minutes. Yeah, I locked it up.
Speaker 4 (18:13):
I was on the floor.
Speaker 5 (18:16):
Jesus terrible goods.
Speaker 4 (18:18):
He was glove that day. I was glove that day.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
I think I read a couple of times.
Speaker 5 (18:23):
All right, So now let's get to who locked you up?
Speaker 1 (18:26):
Who? Yeah, I can't even think about when. I was
just like damn like like unless it was like Brooklyn
p or Clipper Paul.
Speaker 5 (18:37):
I'm not I don't count.
Speaker 4 (18:39):
I don't care a Celtics pe man.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
I remember I how to had a bad game at
Chicago five points. I don't remember. But you know he
used to play me tough. Lou I dang, I'll give
lou I dang. His project used to play. Yeah he
was tough long worms. He can slide your.
Speaker 5 (18:53):
Moment where you had it.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
I'm gonna tell you one thing where you got locked
up like this, just locked up no one possession where
he just got locked like arrested, put in jail.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
I mean everybody can do that, not like this.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
This.
Speaker 5 (19:07):
You was young though. This was Scottie Pipman got you
at the at.
Speaker 4 (19:10):
The Practice College.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Against the dream Scotti locked me up on the sideline.
Speaker 4 (19:20):
I was like, I was like, whoa.
Speaker 5 (19:25):
Like one.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
I thought I was being trapped. I had turned my
back to the sideline. I turned it was only Scotty
Pipper right there, and then he just knocked the ball
out my head. This is in the game, uh, when
he played the Dream Team.
Speaker 4 (19:39):
And is he the best defensive wing ever?
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Yeah, he's the best defensive wing ever ever. Yeah he
up there. So you had your Like, if I needed
a wing man to guard anybody in history all the
top scores, it'll be it'll be Pipping. Like if I
had need somebody to match up against Durant lebron Cole,
I want Prime Pipping Prime Pippen on defense.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
And then your running up as claw.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
Uh probably probably Kawhi wing man prime, although I can
put Draymond in there because he can guard the wing too.
Speaker 4 (20:16):
He's not a wing, but he can guard the.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
Wing because he's playing, because he got long arms, he
can slide. He uh, he got physicality, so you can't
really body him up because he's strong.
Speaker 6 (20:27):
So all right, top five, all defensit team, Your all
defensive team.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
That's right, we're talking about that my all.
Speaker 6 (20:33):
Defense since nineteen eighty. We ain't going past nineteen eighty.
Your point guard, your guard, that's easy. You're small forward,
no going order, started to PG started.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
The point guard, Gary Payton, Gary.
Speaker 4 (20:46):
Payton, that's consensus. Jordan, Jordan.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Pipping, pipping, kg.
Speaker 4 (20:56):
I go robbing.
Speaker 5 (20:57):
You want to rob.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
The kembab, but Tumbo.
Speaker 6 (21:01):
Dream the King can't go out one through five?
Speaker 4 (21:09):
Correct?
Speaker 6 (21:10):
Have you ever seen when when Dream gets put on
a switch and he's going like a stocking or somebody,
he stays in front of him. He rips point guards
like he was ripping point guards all the time.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Dreamers up there. I ain't gonna lie dreaming. Kim was just
a shot blocker. He wasn't all I need. That's that's
all I need right there. I need you to cover
the paint. I just know when I played like you
wasn't driving in the paint when the Camba was in there,
you was thinking twice about laying it up. He was
kicking it out.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
Of the most block shots that ever in the history.
Speaker 6 (21:40):
Dream dude, who top ten is steals ever stocking dream?
Speaker 1 (21:44):
No, he's number one, top ten.
Speaker 4 (21:47):
I said it was number ten dreams he's in the
top ten.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
Yeah, the numbers is definitely there for dream.
Speaker 5 (21:52):
I'm just combination dreaming.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
Robin like that, I got more Versatiley.
Speaker 5 (21:58):
Tumbo is upgraded.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
Yeah, man, you did not want to come inside on
the Tambo. Bro, I'm telling you didn't.
Speaker 5 (22:05):
Want to come inside him.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
And no he didn't have that president three times h
but he didn't have that present, that decad like that
presence in the middle. You know what I'm saying, Like
you ain't even thinking about going up or like you
you ain't even driving the ball that day, hardly giving
you this, none of that. You ain't doing none of that.
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So that'll be my squad right there.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
Who is the player you want to dunk on the most?
And then it happened like who's the player you wanted
to dunk on? The most then you made that.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
Then I made it happen, and then it happened. Uh damn,
it didn't happen like Diesel or Dwhite. It just didn't happen.
Speaker 4 (22:54):
One of the defends.
Speaker 5 (22:57):
Man, what man, who is the biggest ude? You dunk dunk?
Speaker 1 (23:00):
I'm dunked on, Sean Bradley. I dunked on y'all. Yeah,
both of them? Seven six caught them, y'all, Sean Bradley, Well,
I got some bodies. I think about it.
Speaker 5 (23:13):
Your speak of hot called Chris Bosh, Yeah, I know
that a couple of times.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
A couple of times. Let's see who else? Let me
see I called a shoot. I caught Lebron. He was
in the picture. If you just.
Speaker 4 (23:27):
Snapped the picture, he dunked out, he dumped.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
It was a give and go. He was in the picture.
You know, you gotta look at.
Speaker 6 (23:34):
The photos Lebron for a series like well, you felt
like you shut him down for like a series.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
I've shut Lebron down a number of times based on
his average on what he was here.
Speaker 4 (23:45):
Would you like speak of on top of all year?
Speaker 1 (23:48):
I mean he always had a tough series. I mean
in the OA series it was rough. He averaged twenty seven,
but that was that was the toughest twenty seven he
was gonna get for that series.
Speaker 4 (23:59):
Yeah, one game we only got twelve points a day.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
He had forty one in game seven, but that brought
him up to twenty seven, So you know, it was
it was I competed, like I never think I got
to do as a defender, but I was. I competed
on defense, like from day one two since like rookie year,
I was like top three in steels, like my first
few years in the league, top five and steels. I
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was competing on defense. But I just never How.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
Much do you think you benefited from having traded rig
as your coach early? Having a coach that was on
that who was really a defensive guy, Like this is
a tough because his thing was steals because remember he
was in there trapping.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
Press want you to gamble?
Speaker 5 (24:40):
Right?
Speaker 1 (24:40):
Yeah? No, I like Rick, I mean, because you understand,
coming from college to Rick Patino, I felt like, damn,
the league is just like college because we trapping and
doing that. I thought the league was no different from
college until another coach came along. You know, probably not
until like Doc came along. You know that you know
damn this same. You know you hear other guys who
are teams the same, the same NBA dog like we're
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coming off the plane practice and we like we're doing
all this like the same normal. O'Brien was complete opposite
of coach. I mean he was hard nos and we
still trapping O'Brien. His philosophy was the three. Also when
he went rick laughing, Brian to go, we shot more threes,
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and he was like, Tims.
Speaker 4 (25:29):
Was the reason I was playing killer defensive champions.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Tis defensive coach. Yeah, Tibbs, Tibbs. That's why he always
all his teams kind of mirrord that defensive identity, from
like the Chicago Bulls to right now to the New
York Knicks, all his teams, there's gonna be a top
defensive team because that's what his specialty was. Uh oh,
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here go the picture right here, I dunked on. Look
look who is what was happening right there? You go
right young, I'm just saying that's that is that a
dunk on? Yeah, that's body contact. That's body contact. Right
when he got there late.
Speaker 6 (26:10):
Picture when you get there late, you get here on
the poster.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
Oh so look what was what was the craziest Rick
Bettino practice. Because I've been hearing so many stories about
Utino about how crazy he was.
Speaker 5 (26:26):
Let me see the craziest, like one o'clock.
Speaker 6 (26:29):
No.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
One time we landed from a game. We gotta be
so bad and we got we landed at one o'clock
in the morning, and he said, I'll see y'all at
the gym. Man joke, Huh, you was serious.
Speaker 5 (26:39):
I was one o'clock in the morning.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
Yeah, we landed, said the players Union.
Speaker 4 (26:46):
I don't know, but we.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
Landed the union and said I'll see said I'll see
y'all at the gym in an hour because y'all showed
this show up tonight at the game.
Speaker 5 (26:59):
Are y'all got home from Yeah, we got.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
Home from the game, landed from on the road and
say I'll see y'all at the gym because y'all didn't
show up tonight to play.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
Everybody showed up.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Yeah, we showed up Rick Dictator Battino, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (27:15):
Come on now, and what waste like?
Speaker 1 (27:18):
No, we wasn't clown that we was practicing. We had
a full practice tape and everything two in the morning
for like one hour hard though we went one hour
it was like full practice, full sweat tape everything.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
What was the next game after that?
Speaker 1 (27:32):
I don't remember though, but I just know I'll never
forget that day. I was like, damn, I was tired.
I was like, damn, we gotta go to what I
was like, you know, everybody looking at us like this real.
Speaker 4 (27:44):
I was on the team.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
Everybody looking at each other, it's for real, like this,
he don't play. No, he don't play.
Speaker 5 (27:50):
He's not joking joking.
Speaker 4 (27:52):
Who was the least there was?
Speaker 2 (27:54):
It?
Speaker 1 (27:54):
Twe of you. Then. I didn't become leading scorer until
like my second year. Maybe that was probably like my
second or third year, because I remember we had our
practice facility by then, because my first year we didn't
have a practice facilitic. We practiced at the at the
small college in town. So that was probably like my
second or third year we did that officially.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
A lot of people don't remember how cold Twine was.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
Like Twine would thrive in today's NBA. He was like
he was doing like shooting ten threes a night, that's
what they.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
But also, you know what been so good is because
he was like the point forward style that like how
they do now.
Speaker 5 (28:28):
Yeah, so you could.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
Play him with other smaller guards that can run off
picks he can. He'll been a good partner for like this,
Stephan Curries and stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
Everybody that's a rap were about to go check out
some of these games. That's I said from the truth.
Louns join us again next week
Yo, y'all, y'all go offer to the truth Cloud. It's
going down to day. Welcome back to another episode of
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the Truth Flunge. Of course, my co host Jay Crow
in the house and I got my boy from Houston.
Rlo Dotson is in the crib. What's up man? Hey?
Speaker 2 (00:30):
So?
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Uh, what's going on with the New Orleans Pelicans? Man
like Zion Ingram Zion always heard what would you do?
What would y'all do with with Zion at this point?
Because it's like.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
There's nothing really to do. I mean, you invested in him.
He's not worth much on the open market.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
You don't think nobody can get him? Would you trade
for him?
Speaker 4 (00:55):
Me?
Speaker 5 (00:56):
No, I'm if I'm a businessman, No, I don't want that. Guy.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
Argue, well, you have no stars, you have no drap.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
That's what I'm saying, such as who say like a.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Brooklyn Brooklyn, but he's not showing up, he's not healthy,
so what is it use to getting him?
Speaker 1 (01:14):
I'm just saying, what do you do? What do you
do if you don't have no star?
Speaker 3 (01:18):
You can't get a star because you don't have no assets,
no tradable assets. So you don't have like you don't
give up Ben Simmons basion. Did they take it? I'm
take the hat if you New Orleans you're taking that.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
I mean, you gotta give me.
Speaker 5 (01:32):
Organization right now.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
You've got time to go an putting your carell in
the line for that. You have to You're not the
owner now right They subject to dismissal.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
What about you got to get keV Thomas for him
or something.
Speaker 5 (01:49):
Though. You can't give up Cam Thomas. Was Zion Williamson
right now?
Speaker 4 (01:53):
Just Zion.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
This is Zion is a healthy Zion is one of
the best in the league.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
What you gotta remember is that let me went out.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Yeah, that's the best.
Speaker 6 (02:02):
His last work in the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
Always be in everyone's mind.
Speaker 6 (02:08):
That was a monumental game where he was about to
take it off and then he gets hurt.
Speaker 5 (02:12):
I don't even know what you're talking about. It in
my mind, you want to look at that game.
Speaker 6 (02:18):
It was at the game like he had like almost
like forty they were about to win until he got
hurt about and he got hurt right here right on script.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
So that's why I put God on.
Speaker 6 (02:31):
He always think that if I get him on my
team and I can figure out I can get his
nutrition right, I can get his health right. I have
a top potential, top ten player on my team because health.
He's a top ten player.
Speaker 5 (02:44):
Right at that money.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
Right, if he was young and he was like he
was up and coming, I would say that that's a
good move because the risk is low. At the money
he's making right now, it's too much stage.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Look look, look, look, look his contract. You know about
his contract. You can out of his contract if you
don't play a number of games. You could waive them
right now the last three years. So they getting ready
to take that risk.
Speaker 6 (03:07):
If I'm like, yeah, I take that, he has Ye,
he has to me four ways where his body five
percent is just to be at a certain number, or
you can get out of his contract.
Speaker 5 (03:16):
And I need that. Why do I need all the
he's a top ten player when he's healthy. He's not healthy,
never been a top ten player. So I'm not going
to invest in bad property. I'm an investor. I'm not
investing in bad property.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
But a lot of NBA money is spent on potential. Yeah, now,
and so he has the potential.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
But if you Brooklyn or say it's like, let's say like.
Speaker 7 (03:39):
He's losing potential though, what if it's one of them
teams like that that You're just like, man, they need
a start here, Charlotte, Charlotte wet, but they lose it.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
They have a draw in thirty, they can't win.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
They can't win.
Speaker 5 (03:58):
Neither can't New Orleans.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
When they're healthy, when they're healthy, listen.
Speaker 6 (04:03):
And it's another thing you ain't think about with Zion, Right,
if you get him and he can't play more pepong balls,
if you get him and he does play, you bothering.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
So you gotta think about the aspect too, because you
can always.
Speaker 5 (04:19):
Get him the GM. I don't want to do that.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
Are you do? You trolling her?
Speaker 5 (04:24):
Maybe this is something I want to try to leverage.
I'm trying to get rip dump fire.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Sell fire seal.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
When you got mad plumbing in your house, trying to
sell it, Damn, the plumb is.
Speaker 5 (04:37):
Gonna cost.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
I mean, you gonna lose ing.
Speaker 5 (04:44):
I got one hundred times to fix up this plumb
trying to get off this house.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
You're gonna lose Ingram Right, you and Zion?
Speaker 6 (04:51):
Why would any one in New Orleans go to a
game you can't sell anybody else.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
That's what I'm saying it's just a tough situation for
New Orleans. They was right there and they really haven't
fully responded from when they had the Boogey Cousins and
a d when that didn't really work out. They had
some potential, like you said, they they was looking like
they was going to be able to do something, but
they got guys that can't stay healthy. You are what
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you are. What I don't try to do. I'm not
a detective. I don't try to figure out what's going on.
I'm going off what you show me. These guys have
not shown me they can compete consistently for the duration
of the season and be ready to win playoff games.
So me, as a general manager my career, I don't
want to deal with it. But they're exciting that, you know.
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Like you said, Repelicans, it's just a tough, tough organizations
of a decisions.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Right, let's talk. Let's talk about the Lakers. So on,
let's before we go further. We got some other what's
what should the Lakers do?
Speaker 5 (05:48):
Nothing?
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Nothing, Just wait for Lebron aging players.
Speaker 5 (05:52):
It's a new NBA. No, no, no, they got aging players.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
No, they're not aging player two.
Speaker 5 (05:57):
No, they got to as aging two's thirty one.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Yeah, but he's like that.
Speaker 4 (06:01):
He's like a thirty eight year old thirty one prime.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
He's in his prime.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
But what I'm saying is with their team, okay with that,
What I'm saying with their team is what kind of
move can you make to upgrade the team?
Speaker 5 (06:12):
I don't see moves that can be made.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
What are you seeing from JJ Reddick don't.
Speaker 5 (06:17):
I don't evaluate him like that.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
I don't know, But I'm just saying, when you go
into a game, you lose by twenty nine, then you
lose by forty, then you lose the next game in
double over time. This has been talked about the effort. Yeah,
Lebron is a reflection.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
Lebron is your guy. He's old man. He can't give
you that effort. The one thing that I looked, they
were just showing video of Jordan at forty the defense
he was playing. Lebron is playing offense. He's he's the
point guard. His responsibilities of the point guard are heavy.
He's he can't play defense. So that's just what JJ
Reddick got to deal with. I don't know how JJ
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Redick is communicating. He made a bold mode to put
del to the bench. It seems that Delo is taking
it as stride hasn't really caused too much controversy. I
think that was his biggest move as a coach to me,
bringing that young town and trying to get more of
a flow, moving Lebron to the point. So there'll be
a team that we have to see what their playoff
position it is and how they play in those playoff series.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
That's just where I think is if Lebron or a
D missed any significant time, they might not even be
a player.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
Team because that's all they have been is playing Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Like fifth six right no, they yeah, right right now,
Right now, all these young teams are starting to sarge.
You got Oklahoma City of course, Dallas.
Speaker 5 (07:40):
Every night, Houston they play every night.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
And then Minnesota starting to play teamt themselves up. Controversial team.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
Did you trade a D while he has value.
Speaker 6 (07:51):
For who picks young players? But you can't do that
because you got Lebron, so you got.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
It the.
Speaker 5 (08:02):
Value anymore than they used to be.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
The picks are valuable? Why not? Because are valuable? Look
okay man, look at that. That's they built that team
through picks.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
Yeah, but they got Shay he's the guy they traded
for him. He developed, But you gotta get a guy.
All these picks was developed guy. You gotta get a guy.
Speaker 5 (08:25):
Yeah, they're not winning.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
He got a guy winning. Eventually they better this year.
Speaker 5 (08:32):
Are they in the playoffs?
Speaker 1 (08:34):
They're gonna be in the plane. I believe. I think
they might push them.
Speaker 5 (08:36):
They're gonna be in the play in. That's how we
talk now.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
Connect connect started in Connecting league started now any.
Speaker 6 (08:47):
Team pretty connect on a Spurs is on who connect standard?
The standard right here, average starter san Antonio, im gonna
push the legs sacrament don't.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Know to push the Lakesames.
Speaker 5 (09:01):
He can start on.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Sacramento and san Antonio is gonna push the Lakes for
that last playing spot.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
What he's saying is these young teams, like what he
was saying, The young teams are now playing the regular season.
So it's a different NBA when you don't have those
old guard that can play. When MB comes out and says, look,
I'm not playing back to backs, dude, imagine going.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
To your job.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
You get hired, you get hired, you signed, get I'm
not showing up on Mondays and Friday's.
Speaker 8 (09:29):
Boss, I'm gonna use my pt on Wednesdays and Friday,
and I'm showing up on Mondays?
Speaker 1 (09:40):
And did I let you know?
Speaker 4 (09:42):
Did I let you know?
Speaker 1 (09:43):
As a matter of facts, I look at my calendar
in two weeks, it's a Wednesday. I'm gonna take.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
For these young guys is showing up to work every day.
Speaker 5 (09:55):
That's what you see out of Houston. They got a
good young coach. He's pushing. They showing up.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
Okay, season, young team, they're showing up. Uh, we don't
know what's going on in Minnesota. They seem like they
get better. They're getting better right now.
Speaker 5 (10:06):
What I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
They're young and Anthony was going to try to play
as many games as possible.
Speaker 5 (10:10):
You know he's on that.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
So the young guys out west is putting pressure. But
when you get to the playoffs, anything can happen. It's
gonna come down to positioning. Because you still gotta think
Golden State is still dangerous in a playoff series with
Steph they can pop a young team. You know, if
you're gonna if Houston winds up being third and they.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Got to see like a, it's no they're gonna be
a playoff team.
Speaker 5 (10:36):
Is that making them for real.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
No, But I'm just saying, is there like that's a
that's a big lead. That's a huge lead.
Speaker 5 (10:43):
They play hard, They was right there last year. They
but their players are getting better.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Well, I think I give I give a lot of
credits to May he makes a real good ass coach.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
Coaches of Celtics last year? Do they won the chip?
Speaker 5 (11:00):
Can't just say that. I can't give him that. He's
not that.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
I don't know himself.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
The year before he lose the chip? No, I think
he made Coaches the Celtics two years ago they want to.
Speaker 5 (11:10):
But did he lose the chip? He made? So how
we're gonna say he couldn't want it? What is he
done to make you want it?
Speaker 6 (11:16):
You got another year better, another year of cohesion with
your team.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
This guy just won the chip. Let's not let's give
him flowers he wanted.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
He was distracted going on group square.
Speaker 5 (11:36):
Talking to the negative wise and notice they win like that.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
Regroup. You know, Dallas is surgeon, Minnesota surgeon.
Speaker 5 (11:49):
So Dallas is my team.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Do you think they come up? You think they can
come out to West again? I do? I don't know, dude,
because I'm looking at Okay, see when healthy check comes
back and hard and Stein he has given him a lift.
Jalen looking like he taking this next step now.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
Well his uh, things are possible. I'm just saying for myself.
I really like when it comes to the I like
what Lucas. He's starting to find his rhythm. Him and Kyrie,
they just got a connectivity.
Speaker 4 (12:17):
Yeah, and Clay clay value is.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
Going to be shown in the playoffs. That's it. I
don't care about the regular season with them. This is
what they brought Clay in is for what they couldn't
do against Boss Spacing. That that that big shot making
in playoff games. I'm not even worried about playing in
the regular season at this point.
Speaker 5 (12:36):
Yeah, they got two ball dominant guys. They just need
him to provide play.
Speaker 6 (12:41):
He was like the perfect piece for that team. Yeah,
someone who doesn't dribble. You got two people who love
to dribble.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
And he.
Speaker 5 (12:50):
Yeah, he's a good piece for that team. I like Dallas.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
I like them to come out to West Uh yeah
over okayc though, Well.
Speaker 5 (13:00):
I wouldn't be shocked. It ain't like I'm just going
they just.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
They just knocked the Celtics, popped the Celtics.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
Well, they have that type of ability with John Moran,
but I'm just still.
Speaker 5 (13:13):
They do. They had it, but.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
They've been I think they have better squads that lost,
so they still gotta find their niche. But I'm not
gonna knock them. The West is tough right now, you know,
and if they're healthy. John Moran is spectacler. He's he
looks like he's focused, he's you know what I mean,
He's in the headlines for the right reasons right now,
and he's doing this thing.
Speaker 4 (13:32):
He said it wasn't gonna dunk anymore.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
And boy, he had the dunk of the year the
other day on port Sings, didn't he Damn that was
so crazy explosive? Is he the most explosive guard ever? Nah?
Speaker 4 (13:46):
Who is I mean? He said guard. You didn't say
small guy. You just say point guard, point guard. You
got d Rose, you got Westbrook, you got what Westbrook?
There you go.
Speaker 5 (13:57):
I'm because he just go was there with this.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
He's reckless, abandon and just.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Talking about in game dunkers like we was talking about
Jah in Dame Duncan Man.
Speaker 5 (14:09):
Yeah, that dunk is dunk of the year, like you said, So.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
That was the dunk of the year.
Speaker 5 (14:12):
Yeah, do that. That was crazy. That was that was nasty.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
I ain't gonna lie. Well. I like Memphis. I like okay, see,
I like Dallas. I think that's that's gonna be. I
think that's the cream of the crop in the West. Memphis. Okay,
see Dallas.
Speaker 4 (14:32):
That's the joker.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
They just lost the Wizards.
Speaker 5 (14:38):
They their team.
Speaker 4 (14:41):
Season move that they can make that crowd the second
or third you know.
Speaker 5 (14:45):
What they like, and they like it.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
We haven't seen Jamal Murray become a legitimate All Star.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
What have we ever seen him ball in the regular season.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
No, but he's been hurt to come back off the
playoff run. He has Sergey like so we have.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
They need to try to make a move to get
but it.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
Seemed like he was supposed to make like he needs
to make that jump in the regular season.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
They need another scoring punch. They need to try to
go after Pool or Kuzma. I think one of them.
Speaker 4 (15:12):
What about Jimmy Buckets.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
That's the move, Miami.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
If you can come on Jimmy Buckets.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
If they can find a way to get Aaron Gordon,
you gotta come off Murray if anything for something.
Speaker 6 (15:23):
I come off Murray right now for Jimmy playoff Jimmy,
Yeah for sure, because Murray is playoff that they're not
doing that.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
He's not doing it, Mimi, not doing that.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
How many years does Murray lef on this deal?
Speaker 3 (15:35):
He's just not gonna lose a franchise player for a
guy that's averaging seventeen, but.
Speaker 4 (15:39):
He has more time left on his deal. You know, Pat,
he's a type of pack. Murray's got of a pack guy.
You know, he plays hard. You know, he comes through
when it's time to come through.
Speaker 6 (15:48):
Pat would like him and the reason why he want
to come out, Jimmy because.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
Deal recently Murray. So, yeah, he's there til twenty nine.
Speaker 6 (15:55):
So you got time lef on the deal. That's worthing
for Miami spentially time.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
But you don't need him. When you got Rosier, you
got a hero. Yeah, he's not a good they don't
have that's not a good fit. Yeah, they need a
trade off, not for Butler. You got to replace what
he brings with something or get picks.
Speaker 5 (16:13):
That's the team that mays.
Speaker 4 (16:14):
Because they still have all their picks.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
The you gotta come off, Michael Porter Junior. If you
want Jimmy.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
Butler, Yeah bye, we got Aaron Gordon, we got that'll
be great.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Yeah, yeah, that'll be That might be a move.
Speaker 6 (16:28):
Though, because for Joker to be averaging thirty one, thirteen
and ten not even be in an.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
MVP conversation, in a conversation, I mean, but his teammates
win it.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
Yeah, but yeah, you.
Speaker 4 (16:40):
Put them with Jimmy Buck.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
You put it on Jimmy. They like ninth.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
Plan is too early. It's an eighty two game season.
I mean, yeah, but how much as the fourth place team.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
They could win three games?
Speaker 5 (16:54):
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (16:56):
Any defense either you ever watched the Nuggers, name was like,
it's no defense.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
You lost to the Wizards. Dog, that's a that's a low.
Speaking of defense, that's a loan. You can't move. I
don't think you don't need nobody out there to beat
the Wizards, just Joker, but.
Speaker 5 (17:11):
Yo, speaking.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Need a sixty.
Speaker 4 (17:15):
Speaking of the defense, who are you over? Locked up?
Speaker 1 (17:18):
Whoever? I ever locked up? And I said, I just.
Speaker 4 (17:20):
Locked on the top, like a top one of the
ones that we talked about.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
I locked the penny hard away to zero zero points.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
You know, never scored Orlando, not a free throw, Orlando
bad injury.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
Penny Hey, Nate, what fact check that? What?
Speaker 2 (17:36):
What?
Speaker 1 (17:37):
What?
Speaker 2 (17:37):
What? What?
Speaker 1 (17:37):
What year was my rookie? Because I looked up the
penny though I wanted to play against him, but I
wasn't like why. I I was like, I won't smoke.
I won't smoke. I don't know. Let's se let's look
at the stats. What was the shoot penny hard away second? Yeah,
(17:59):
let's see how many many this he played? He didn't
get hurt that game?
Speaker 4 (18:02):
Twenty six minutes he was seven Yeah, reach three turnovers probably.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
Six minutes. Yeah, I locked it up.
Speaker 4 (18:13):
I was on the floor.
Speaker 5 (18:16):
Jesus terrible goods.
Speaker 4 (18:18):
He was glove that day. I was glove that day.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
I think I read a couple of times.
Speaker 5 (18:23):
All right, So now let's get to who locked you up?
Speaker 1 (18:26):
Who? Yeah, I can't even think about when. I was
just like damn like like unless it was like Brooklyn
p or Clipper Paul.
Speaker 5 (18:37):
I'm not I don't count.
Speaker 4 (18:39):
I don't care a Celtics pe man.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
I remember I how to had a bad game at
Chicago five points. I don't remember. But you know he
used to play me tough. Lou I dang, I'll give
lou I dang. His project used to play. Yeah he
was tough long worms. He can slide your.
Speaker 5 (18:53):
Moment where you had it.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
I'm gonna tell you one thing where you got locked
up like this, just locked up no one possession where
he just got locked like arrested, put in jail.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
I mean everybody can do that, not like this.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
This.
Speaker 5 (19:07):
You was young though. This was Scottie Pipman got you
at the at.
Speaker 4 (19:10):
The Practice College.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Against the dream Scotti locked me up on the sideline.
Speaker 4 (19:20):
I was like, I was like, whoa.
Speaker 5 (19:25):
Like one.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
I thought I was being trapped. I had turned my
back to the sideline. I turned it was only Scotty
Pipper right there, and then he just knocked the ball
out my head. This is in the game, uh, when
he played the Dream Team.
Speaker 4 (19:39):
And is he the best defensive wing ever?
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Yeah, he's the best defensive wing ever ever. Yeah he
up there. So you had your Like, if I needed
a wing man to guard anybody in history all the
top scores, it'll be it'll be Pipping. Like if I
had need somebody to match up against Durant lebron Cole,
I want Prime Pipping Prime Pippen on defense.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
And then your running up as claw.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
Uh probably probably Kawhi wing man prime, although I can
put Draymond in there because he can guard the wing too.
Speaker 4 (20:16):
He's not a wing, but he can guard the.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
Wing because he's playing, because he got long arms, he
can slide. He uh, he got physicality, so you can't
really body him up because he's strong.
Speaker 6 (20:27):
So all right, top five, all defensit team, Your all
defensive team.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
That's right, we're talking about that my all.
Speaker 6 (20:33):
Defense since nineteen eighty. We ain't going past nineteen eighty.
Your point guard, your guard, that's easy. You're small forward,
no going order, started to PG started.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
The point guard, Gary Payton, Gary.
Speaker 4 (20:46):
Payton, that's consensus. Jordan, Jordan.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Pipping, pipping, kg.
Speaker 4 (20:56):
I go robbing.
Speaker 5 (20:57):
You want to rob.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
The kembab, but Tumbo.
Speaker 6 (21:01):
Dream the King can't go out one through five?
Speaker 4 (21:09):
Correct?
Speaker 6 (21:10):
Have you ever seen when when Dream gets put on
a switch and he's going like a stocking or somebody,
he stays in front of him. He rips point guards
like he was ripping point guards all the time.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Dreamers up there. I ain't gonna lie dreaming. Kim was just
a shot blocker. He wasn't all I need. That's that's
all I need right there. I need you to cover
the paint. I just know when I played like you
wasn't driving in the paint when the Camba was in there,
you was thinking twice about laying it up. He was
kicking it out.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
Of the most block shots that ever in the history.
Speaker 6 (21:40):
Dream dude, who top ten is steals ever stocking dream?
Speaker 1 (21:44):
No, he's number one, top ten.
Speaker 4 (21:47):
I said it was number ten dreams he's in the
top ten.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
Yeah, the numbers is definitely there for dream.
Speaker 5 (21:52):
I'm just combination dreaming.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
Robin like that, I got more Versatiley.
Speaker 5 (21:58):
Tumbo is upgraded.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
Yeah, man, you did not want to come inside on
the Tambo. Bro, I'm telling you didn't.
Speaker 5 (22:05):
Want to come inside him.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
And no he didn't have that president three times h
but he didn't have that present, that decad like that
presence in the middle. You know what I'm saying, Like
you ain't even thinking about going up or like you
you ain't even driving the ball that day, hardly giving
you this, none of that. You ain't doing none of that.
(22:27):
So that'll be my squad right there.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
Who is the player you want to dunk on the most?
And then it happened like who's the player you wanted
to dunk on? The most then you made that.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
Then I made it happen, and then it happened. Uh damn,
it didn't happen like Diesel or Dwhite. It just didn't happen.
Speaker 4 (22:54):
One of the defends.
Speaker 5 (22:57):
Man, what man, who is the biggest ude? You dunk dunk?
Speaker 1 (23:00):
I'm dunked on, Sean Bradley. I dunked on y'all. Yeah,
both of them? Seven six caught them, y'all, Sean Bradley, Well,
I got some bodies. I think about it.
Speaker 5 (23:13):
Your speak of hot called Chris Bosh, Yeah, I know
that a couple of times.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
A couple of times. Let's see who else? Let me
see I called a shoot. I caught Lebron. He was
in the picture. If you just.
Speaker 4 (23:27):
Snapped the picture, he dunked out, he dumped.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
It was a give and go. He was in the picture.
You know, you gotta look at.
Speaker 6 (23:34):
The photos Lebron for a series like well, you felt
like you shut him down for like a series.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
I've shut Lebron down a number of times based on
his average on what he was here.
Speaker 4 (23:45):
Would you like speak of on top of all year?
Speaker 1 (23:48):
I mean he always had a tough series. I mean
in the OA series it was rough. He averaged twenty seven,
but that was that was the toughest twenty seven he
was gonna get for that series.
Speaker 4 (23:59):
Yeah, one game we only got twelve points a day.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
He had forty one in game seven, but that brought
him up to twenty seven, So you know, it was
it was I competed, like I never think I got
to do as a defender, but I was. I competed
on defense, like from day one two since like rookie year,
I was like top three in steels, like my first
few years in the league, top five and steels. I
(24:21):
was competing on defense. But I just never How.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
Much do you think you benefited from having traded rig
as your coach early? Having a coach that was on
that who was really a defensive guy, Like this is
a tough because his thing was steals because remember he
was in there trapping.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
Press want you to gamble?
Speaker 5 (24:40):
Right?
Speaker 1 (24:40):
Yeah? No, I like Rick, I mean, because you understand,
coming from college to Rick Patino, I felt like, damn,
the league is just like college because we trapping and
doing that. I thought the league was no different from
college until another coach came along. You know, probably not
until like Doc came along. You know that you know
damn this same. You know you hear other guys who
are teams the same, the same NBA dog like we're
(25:03):
coming off the plane practice and we like we're doing
all this like the same normal. O'Brien was complete opposite
of coach. I mean he was hard nos and we
still trapping O'Brien. His philosophy was the three. Also when
he went rick laughing, Brian to go, we shot more threes,
(25:28):
and he was like, Tims.
Speaker 4 (25:29):
Was the reason I was playing killer defensive champions.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Tis defensive coach. Yeah, Tibbs, Tibbs. That's why he always
all his teams kind of mirrord that defensive identity, from
like the Chicago Bulls to right now to the New
York Knicks, all his teams, there's gonna be a top
defensive team because that's what his specialty was. Uh oh,
(25:53):
here go the picture right here, I dunked on. Look
look who is what was happening right there? You go
right young, I'm just saying that's that is that a
dunk on? Yeah, that's body contact. That's body contact. Right
when he got there late.
Speaker 6 (26:10):
Picture when you get there late, you get here on
the poster.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
Oh so look what was what was the craziest Rick
Bettino practice. Because I've been hearing so many stories about
Utino about how crazy he was.
Speaker 5 (26:26):
Let me see the craziest, like one o'clock.
Speaker 6 (26:29):
No.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
One time we landed from a game. We gotta be
so bad and we got we landed at one o'clock
in the morning, and he said, I'll see y'all at
the gym. Man joke, Huh, you was serious.
Speaker 5 (26:39):
I was one o'clock in the morning.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
Yeah, we landed, said the players Union.
Speaker 4 (26:46):
I don't know, but we.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
Landed the union and said I'll see said I'll see
y'all at the gym in an hour because y'all showed
this show up tonight at the game.
Speaker 5 (26:59):
Are y'all got home from Yeah, we got.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
Home from the game, landed from on the road and
say I'll see y'all at the gym because y'all didn't
show up tonight to play.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
Everybody showed up.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Yeah, we showed up Rick Dictator Battino, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (27:15):
Come on now, and what waste like?
Speaker 1 (27:18):
No, we wasn't clown that we was practicing. We had
a full practice tape and everything two in the morning
for like one hour hard though we went one hour
it was like full practice, full sweat tape everything.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
What was the next game after that?
Speaker 1 (27:32):
I don't remember though, but I just know I'll never
forget that day. I was like, damn, I was tired.
I was like, damn, we gotta go to what I
was like, you know, everybody looking at us like this real.
Speaker 4 (27:44):
I was on the team.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
Everybody looking at each other, it's for real, like this,
he don't play. No, he don't play.
Speaker 5 (27:50):
He's not joking joking.
Speaker 4 (27:52):
Who was the least there was?
Speaker 2 (27:54):
It?
Speaker 1 (27:54):
Twe of you. Then. I didn't become leading scorer until
like my second year. Maybe that was probably like my
second or third year, because I remember we had our
practice facility by then, because my first year we didn't
have a practice facilitic. We practiced at the at the
small college in town. So that was probably like my
second or third year we did that officially.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
A lot of people don't remember how cold Twine was.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
Like Twine would thrive in today's NBA. He was like
he was doing like shooting ten threes a night, that's
what they.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
But also, you know what been so good is because
he was like the point forward style that like how
they do now.
Speaker 5 (28:28):
Yeah, so you could.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
Play him with other smaller guards that can run off
picks he can. He'll been a good partner for like this,
Stephan Curries and stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
Everybody that's a rap were about to go check out
some of these games. That's I said from the truth.
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