November 13, 2024 • 43 mins
Another exciting episode of THE TRUTH LOUNGE is here! This week,Paul and Jason Crowe sit down with NBA champion and ALL THE SMOKE productions’ own Trevor Ariza for a deep dive into basketball and fatherhood.
The trio talks about Trevor & Jason's sons—both rising stars in high school hoops—and the joy they find in coaching them. They also discuss the evolution of the high school game, the growing trend of NBA players coaching their kids and how that’s shaping the future of the game.
Trevor opens up about his toughest matchups on the court, and offers a fresh perspective on why he believes James Harden's influence on the NBA may have been more impactful than Stephen Curry’s. Plus, they all share the craziest performance they've ever witnessed during his career.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Yo, y'all, y'all, welcome to the Truth Blounds.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
It's going down today.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
What's everybody? Body? Welcome to the Truth Lounge? Of course.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
I got my boy j Crow, my Young and Trevor
Reza in the house.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
O G.
Speaker 4 (00:27):
Trevor.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
We got the California connect Inglewood and Westchester, y'all don't know,
we go way back. That's a rival, hey, But high
school basketball is around the corner. These two feature sons
that some of the top players in the country.
Speaker 4 (00:42):
We're gonna dive into that.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
High school season is starting and this may be one
of the deepest class in recent memory that I can
think of going into twenty twenty six?
Speaker 4 (00:52):
Is it?
Speaker 1 (00:52):
This is the class of twenty twenty six. It's some
hitters out here. This may be California's greatest high school
class coming in. And then I'd just like to dig
into that with y'all. Man, what y'all think? Seasons coming up? Expectations,
Englewood High, Westchester got some heat?
Speaker 3 (01:09):
What's up man with y'all? What y'all thinking?
Speaker 4 (01:10):
Man? What y'all looking like this year? What y'all looking like?
Speaker 5 (01:13):
Jay, I'm trying to see what travel looking like. Man,
I'm proud of what he did, getting his alma mater
back going. You know, we was having conversations about that.
It's very inspiration and what he's doing, what uh Gil
is doing. Having Elijah play in the city, I think
it's gonna be Elijah.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Where's Elijah right now?
Speaker 5 (01:34):
Chatsworth, that's LA City, that's the valley, but it's Lacy
Basketball City basketball. So definitely LA basketball is back California
in my opinion, somebody got to show me differently. But
it's so talented at the top right now. And and
also it's so many guys out here that is not
getting respect that are really really good that I that
(01:56):
I've been watching too.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Why don't the California get their respect like the Californi
High School because it was like that when I played.
I just feel like and then if you look at
the NBA, we most of the time.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
Feature the most pros.
Speaker 6 (02:10):
I just think it's a combination of a lot of
the times the camps are on the East, you know,
their conditions as far as like, you know, whether it's
a little bit grimier than what we got. You know,
our style is a little bit different. We a little
more We got a little bit more ism to our game.
(02:31):
You know it shows on the court. But you know, again,
like you said, California has always produced pro We always have,
you know, a shit ton of kids that are in
college every year in different parts of the country. And again,
you know, with this year coming up in the next
year to follow, we got a lot of a lot
(02:53):
of talent on this side.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Again, so Inglewood obviously got young j Crow Jua, but
also some talented kids. Obviously Westchester's future feature.
Speaker 7 (03:04):
Kids came from Westchester. Who are you talking about? David
Connerley just good.
Speaker 5 (03:11):
I want to say his name on here because he's
a kid that I believe it's going to be recognized
when it's all done. He's a throwback kid that loves
the game. He loves to play, he has tremendous instincts,
and he's working real hard. So I want to see
how he does. And I'm really looking forward to seeing.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
His type of expectations you got this year coming out Westchester.
What type of expectations, what they're looking like they can
with the vision is Westchester, I'm not even sure what
the vision all right?
Speaker 3 (03:39):
So who.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
I know? That stuff changed all the time.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
Man, It's just so many stuff, and just like college basketball,
like college football, everything is changing and.
Speaker 8 (03:51):
Stuff is changing too.
Speaker 5 (03:53):
Now what I'm saying, that's amazing to get announced at
the end, Like, that's.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
What I'm saying.
Speaker 8 (03:57):
So you don't even know what you know, you gotta
battle it.
Speaker 6 (04:00):
I think what we did though, I think it was
important for our culture of basketball. You know a lot
of the times the culture changes, like y'all have been saying,
but like the Catholic schools were starting to get the players,
private schools are starting to get the players, and it
took away from you know, our city schools, right yeah,
(04:22):
and you going back to Inglewood, us going back to
west Chester. I think I think that it definitely helped
the city come back to.
Speaker 5 (04:34):
Well resource that used to look like you walking into Westchester.
That's an advantage for the program, for the kids who
are participating in the program. You're a champion. You can
go there and share a state. Yeah, I knew it
was a couple of times.
Speaker 8 (04:51):
Just want to know what I'm.
Speaker 5 (04:51):
Saying, You go back there now we ad Inglewood. He's
walking We had both of y'all walking into Inglewood, So
that was great. But for you guys are now walking
into gyms. And I think that's the advantage of coming
back to a situation like that, when you can bring
expert Cheeze back.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
I mean for us not only walking into gyms, walking
into gyms where we came from.
Speaker 5 (05:12):
Yeah, walking to gym. Yeah, we talk about that, how
we was looking up to go, Like when Herod would
come into the gym.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
It would feel good, right because it was somebody week
that inspired yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
For all these years, leaving them in the gym.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
And he went right here, he walked this campus, just
like y'all doing now, So for them to get a
feel and see that and talk to you and touch us,
and like, damn, he's right, Paul. He went here, he walked,
he went to class right there. He was roaming right here,
took took him taking the bus lines like us.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
I like it.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
That's what I love about it. Just now, I think
I think we're gonna have to build up this rivalry
back because Westchester and Egle, well, when we was there,
west Chester.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
Had our down. VARIANK can't even lie man I hated before, but.
Speaker 5 (06:01):
You'll had y'all had looks. Y'all couldn't beat the mingus,
and we was beating them. We were smacking them and
we couldn't one game we had.
Speaker 8 (06:12):
We thought we had y'all at home, y'all, y'all.
Speaker 5 (06:14):
Went to that matchup zone. Y'all was going, man, we
was going ice four flat.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
Y'all came into Englewood and beat us by dumb.
Speaker 5 (06:26):
Was that I had a dug, I had color was hot,
I was hot, I wasn't tripping.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
I was But then look so look so then the
next year we go to Westchester.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
That was a classic game.
Speaker 5 (06:45):
Two weeks later at the Mass again, they went to
that they went matchup zone.
Speaker 6 (06:49):
So basically what you're saying, y'all, we.
Speaker 5 (06:52):
Played them in our teacher I never beat west.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
That sounds about right. That year, yeah, no idea out
of here. You yall was gone.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
I needed y'all out of here.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
We beat them in our teacher tournament.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
The next year, my first, Yeah, we lost them at
the Buzzer.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
My senior year. Oh yeah, we talked about that. They
cheated us.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
They cheated all right, So look this how the game. God,
they just sent me the tape. Were on the group chat.
You know, look, we down two, were down two, and
I'm aout the line. I make the free throw five
seconds ago. I missed the free throw. Somehow, I get
the rebuild, put it up, missed the layup, get the
(07:36):
rebound again, make the layup.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
We up one look up.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
It's still five seconds.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
They start, and then that's when Lamar came down, drive
it through, shot something at the free throw, beat us
at the buzzer. But we beat them in our teaser
tournament that year, my senior year, we uh, because we
won our teacher tournament.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
We beat them.
Speaker 4 (07:59):
That that's the only time we beat them though.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
But there was some good battles, some good rivalries, and
then of course your time there, y'all won a couple
of state championship. But like that's I feel like that
air was was like that's when Westchester was building, like
right in the early nineties, because you had Gumby and.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
All of them.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
They built that, and then Jay Hard after that, and
then you come along and then y'all y'all elite program. Now, y'all,
y'all elite, now, all of that that whole nineties and
you early two thousand, y'all elite Now, so y'all's part
of the foundation that helped build up that program UH
to where it is today. Winning a couple of state titles.
Just how was that feeling? Man just went into state?
Speaker 4 (08:38):
Who did y'all play?
Speaker 3 (08:40):
Crazy? Bro? We played Leon team twice.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
School.
Speaker 6 (08:48):
Damn wait, we played them three times our time in
high school and we beat them all three times. But
Leon just you know, he was bigger than everybody for sure,
and because she got touched he could shoot. But yeah,
he was for sure, like like an animal. But we
got them.
Speaker 5 (09:05):
Y'all had how many pros?
Speaker 6 (09:10):
I just feel like, ye, we had like like maybe
five or six pros.
Speaker 5 (09:15):
That's what I'm saying. We're not talking about college. Yeah,
the one they have they was like Kentucky.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Because they built up that program I'm telling you from
Gunna be the jay Hard did when by Tom Trailor
got there, the program ready to go. They was like
modern day the Mingus. They was like on that level. Yeah,
because the Mingus was winning state. They always went in
state and the California and the city schools was back
and krin Shaw was pretty good, was good Man? Yeah, Yeah,
(09:41):
that's when it was the peak. That's when it peaked.
And see now we're trying to get back to that
with Westchester being back on the map of course you
got your son there.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
Of course j Pro Junior and Inglewood they match up
this year, don't they.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (09:54):
Oh yeah, January fourth, four.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
Uh it's Inglewood.
Speaker 8 (09:58):
Check it out.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
He can't get no neutral site.
Speaker 7 (10:05):
You know, everybody that's get there early, get.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
There and that's gonna be a game.
Speaker 8 (10:13):
I feel it was a bigger venue.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
We should just have it out a neutral site.
Speaker 8 (10:17):
Now we coming to west Chester next year for the experience.
Pack it up.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
So right now I'm looking at ESPN's top sixty and
it looks like one, two, three, four, five, six, six
players in the top ten in California. Obviously, if y'all
don't know, Stokes is the number one player in this class.
(10:42):
But if you go down the line, Taj and Reese's
number seven, Jay Crow Junior number eight. But the guy
I want to talk about to Christian Collins, because his
dad is D'Angelo Collins, who went to Inglewood, who was
a McDonald's All American and he was a pro.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
He was a pro. He he you.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
Know, some things happened that didn't go his way and
didn't work out, but he was definitely a pro. But
his son, Christian made the biggest jump cause I remember
seeing Christian. Christian came out and tried out for the
truth and didn't make our team.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
No, but look, but I said, when I saw Christian,
he was like, I got his Instagram, I said, he
and he asked me, and I can show you this
right now.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
He said, what you think I need to work on?
How do I get better?
Speaker 1 (11:28):
And I said, honestly, you got all the skills and
all the talent if you just played a little bit
harder and and you got everything, but you gotta treat
every game like the show last and display that and
just go hard every night, cause you got the raw skill.
And I look right now, I'm talking about from last
year till now. He made the biggest jump out of
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everybody being in the top ten. So watch out for
Christian Collins, Saint John Bosco's six at kid.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
He gonna be something.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
So yeah, this is gonna be interesting. I agree with you, bro.
Speaker 8 (11:59):
You know what, I've got a chance. I've been coaching
at this level.
Speaker 5 (12:04):
But I've been coaching at this level since these kids
been in the fourth grade, even with my son too.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
Trevor.
Speaker 5 (12:10):
He opened up his gym to all of us and
let us come in there and get better and hitting
that weight room.
Speaker 8 (12:18):
Everybody did, y'all.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
I give y'all a little.
Speaker 5 (12:20):
Bit, you know, like telling too much of this stuff,
But Trevor, for real, that's something people don't know that
we're gonna say that here. Like that was a critical
summer because that's when my son even started dunking. We
was over there and yr Gym getting it in. You
was looking like and I watched Christian. I watched him
and I told him there. I was like, now you're
about to take off, because in this day and age,
(12:42):
you have to be physical. You have to have developed
your physicality in order to do what you want to
do out there, you know, and you have to work
hard at that. And all these guys have made that
leave and they've dedicated themselves to the game of working hard.
Speaker 6 (12:54):
To think about like we're talking about Christian, and think
about Christian is he actually is? He's like a junk
you though, Like, like we were talking on the phone
the other day and we was just talking about how
much he's like turned into like a fiend to get better,
working on this game, working on his body, all the
little details. We was at the game when y'all was
playing against Utah Prep and I'm talking to him. He
(13:18):
can't even hear me talking to him because he's focusing
on what the players are doing, how they how they
how they scoring, where they're scoring from, how I'm gonna
guard them. So his like attention to detail and his
love for the game is on a whole other level right.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
Now, so.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
More than any era that I can ever remember.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
It's just so many guys that I'm seeing former NBA players,
sons that are coming up through the rank and are
actually can play. Yeah, I mean, obviously we got the
first father son combo in the league now Lebron James
Junior with Lebron, We'll probably never see that again. But
just talk to me, man, just like right now, just
(14:06):
the scenery of NBA players and their sons. Because we
ain't even talked about Arena's son. You got Carmelo's son
out there making his mark. Rondo WHI he was here
with us a couple of weeks ago talking about his son.
Talk or tell me, talk to me about how it's
been for you, Tramp, just watching your son evolve to
(14:28):
the point he's in today, like as a father, just like.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
Man, Well, to me, it was about him wanting to
do it.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
You know.
Speaker 6 (14:38):
The one thing that I can say is I had
to give his mom credit for allowing me to, you know,
do some things that probably was uncomfortable.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
For somebody to get it because the moms be so
protective that it is because you get them running and
doing hard stuff and they don't feeling they be feeling
that and it just sometime they could get in the way.
Speaker 6 (15:00):
Yeah, so you know that it starts there, right. Yeah.
So it's a completely different understanding from being a kid
to trying to do something that is nobody can do
really And that's like like again, the eyes of going
to the NBA is zero point three percent of however
many people uh play. So the fact that you know,
(15:24):
this kid is learning a completely different style of understanding
you know, again, it goes to to what he's been
you know, taught as coming up, Like.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
What's your message to him, like like how do you
separate like fatherhood from.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
Like, oh, coaching them?
Speaker 4 (15:45):
Like you know what I'm saying, I don't.
Speaker 6 (15:47):
I don't see I don't have the burden of coaching them,
not not a.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
Coaching them, but just giving them game. You know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
I know you you got to for sure giving them game.
Speaker 6 (15:58):
I try to, I do what I can and to
give him asm. But again he's at that age where
he listens to it. But I guess it just depends
on how it's being delivered, attention to it or now.
But you know, the one thing that I do know
is he's hearing what I got to say, and how
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he applies it or how he uses it. It all
depends on, you know, where he is in his own
development in his mind.
Speaker 5 (16:27):
You know what I like, where he's going with his
game right now. So a couple of times this summer,
what do you think is the best game you've seen
him play so far?
Speaker 6 (16:37):
I don't really I can't really tell you like best games.
But what I can tell you is like moments or
things that he's like turning on that is like more
important to me than just what he's doing right now,
you know.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
What I mean.
Speaker 6 (16:51):
So like me, when I'm while we're trying to build,
I'm looking at certain attributes that he's finding in himself
that you know, we can pull out of them more
so that those things are more consistent. Because again, he's
unbelievably talented. He got super talent. Yeah, you know, he
got a pretty jumper. He got all that.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
I was standing next to him about a month ago.
It was in a tournament. I forget where we was at. Man,
he was coming out to gym.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
Look. I was like, he's like, damn six yeah, yeah,
and he's strong though.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
He got like his arm is long. He already looked
like he already like a little grown man.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
He's growing.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
And I'm like, damn, that's just seeing these kids grow,
because obviously I didn't been around the circuit and watch
these kids grow, and it's just crazy just seeing them now.
They little man, they got mustaches and beers now, Like
it's crazy to see that. Man. I know, y'all got
to be some proud father seeing just the progress and
(17:55):
the evolution of y'all kids and how they taking on
not only their own personality and because their game is
nothing like y'all's. You know what I'm saying, It's like
you played a certain way, you played a certain way,
and now your son he got his own style, and
he got his own style, and it's just fun seeing
them grow and it become their own man right now.
(18:17):
So it's been a beautiful thing watching this throughout the years. Yeah, yeah,
I must say so. And moving forward, what would you
like to see? Okay, he's a junior. Now, yeah, what's
the next step.
Speaker 6 (18:33):
The next step for me is just consistently being a
student of the game and always having killer, having kill
mode on, like every time you.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
Step on tea. Okay, the skills there, but now you're training.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
This, right.
Speaker 6 (18:50):
It's cool to be cool with people, you know, that's
a part of it. You grow, you you build relationships
when you play, but you want to build a mentality too,
you know what I mean. And while you have friends,
if you always on kill, your friends are gonna always
be on kill. That's how you can tell the difference
(19:10):
on who's who you know, Like when you step on
the court, right, you looking to see where you can
take advantage of what matchup you what suits you best, right,
or what's going to be the easier play? If you
always on kill, you're gonna be able to tell who's
not on kill.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
All right, let me ask you all this because now
y'all got obviously some talented kids. What's what's the recruitment
Like what's the n L I NIL situation? Like how
that's changed the game, Like how do you navigate that part,
you know, almost start you like, how do you navigate
determining what's the best situation for him, say after high school?
Speaker 4 (19:52):
If you start looking ahead.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
What are you looking for in a program or what
are you looking for after the high school?
Speaker 5 (20:00):
Well, for me, I'm looking to I've coached him since
fourth grade. Yeah, so I'm looking to hand him off
with something to somebody who can advance what we've started.
I can't continue on this journey.
Speaker 8 (20:13):
With them like this anymore in the way that I have.
Speaker 5 (20:16):
So now I'm looking for anybody the next that can
advance them. There's there's more to take them, to take
them to the next level. You know, That's what it is.
But one thing that I did understand, because if you
have to understand to adapt to what's going on today.
So this nil, all this stuff is new, but you
have to educate yourself.
Speaker 8 (20:37):
You can't think that you know, we have an advantage.
Speaker 5 (20:39):
Because we've been in a business of basketball for so long,
but you have to keep learning because of the business
is changing. It's probably made three changes since we've been
in the AU space.
Speaker 8 (20:51):
I watch it.
Speaker 5 (20:52):
I watch it make several changes because now the American
business model even at the.
Speaker 8 (20:57):
Youth level is business.
Speaker 5 (20:59):
The bat Basketball's business from from when you start now
it wasn't like that before. Like now these kids can
get they're getting deals, so you just can't run and
get every deal.
Speaker 8 (21:10):
You can't.
Speaker 4 (21:11):
That's what I want to get to.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
I want to get to like say, like there's a
program that you may not really.
Speaker 4 (21:16):
Like be feeling, but they're like, hey, we got like
a million.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
What you like? How you like they got the money?
Like but then they don't got the money. But this
is the best situation.
Speaker 6 (21:30):
So how you you know, because it's gonna come to that, right. So,
so to me, it's about like what's your ultimate goal?
So if you're just trying to like continue to like
if all your eggs are cashing out on nil, then
your big picture is just that.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
Okay.
Speaker 6 (21:46):
So for me and what I try to teach my
son is the NBA max.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
It's going to be like out of control, ridiculous.
Speaker 6 (21:59):
And I'm not saying that the men, you know what
I'm saying, so and not even saying that, like you know,
I'm looking forward or looking ahead.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
Obviously there are steps.
Speaker 5 (22:10):
You can't compromise the development, right you can't, but you
can't get bought out exactly.
Speaker 8 (22:15):
You can't do that.
Speaker 6 (22:16):
So what's most important is you standing on this grind now.
For me, and this is how I look at my son.
I feel like he's a handsome young man. He's articulate,
he's a confident young man.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
He's tall. You know, he can play the game.
Speaker 6 (22:31):
So there's plenty of avenues that he can go down
as far as like piecing other shit together. But the
most important thing is staying locked into what the ultimate
goal is and that's to be But.
Speaker 5 (22:43):
I think he has had the advantage of having us
because they can focus on basketball and trust the process
because we're not I get it. There's some parents that
are if you're a kid and you fifteen and sixteen,
and you just imagine Oj Mayo in back in the day,
that he got to put his family on.
Speaker 8 (23:02):
He gotta take whatever.
Speaker 5 (23:03):
It doesn't matter if they playing in Idaho, that's where
they're paying that he got to go because that's what
his family needs and he got to put his best
foot forward to get to make that situation what it is.
Speaker 8 (23:12):
Our kids don't have a pressure of that.
Speaker 5 (23:14):
We just have to make sure that we're up upgrading
their value allowing them to participat in things that they
can they can do right now that helps their brand,
but you can't compromise the basketball. I agree with that,
you know, because our kids still need to develop and
they need to be around people that's going to help
them get better.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
I agree with them too.
Speaker 6 (23:35):
That's why I'm hard on my kids for real, Like
there's a standard of understanding that I think that they
need to understand because you know, they're, well, my kids
they not growing up and I'm sure you'll kids ain't
either growing up.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
How we came completely different bus.
Speaker 6 (23:54):
It's a completely different on the bus.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
I'm not saying that.
Speaker 6 (23:59):
I'm not saying that our parents didn't give us or
do the best that they It's just a completely different
understanding in a different error. But the level of what
I expect from my kids that don't waiver at all,
that's right. You know, I'm completely rooted in how I
feel in the standard that who they should be.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
That's dope. That's dope.
Speaker 6 (24:22):
Man.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
I really love hearing this, you know, because y'all in
the middle of the process. You know, my son is eleven.
I'm not sure which direction he goes. He's still trying
to figure it out. But like just having y'all around
here and just in case my son get to that level.
You know what I'm saying, I can kind of navigate
it and and kind of like hear it from y'all firsthand.
Let's talk matchups, Trav, you know what what what made you?
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Because you, in my eyes, you became in a league
defender in the league. You know, you played on some
great teams, won a championship with the Lakers, made a
lot of deep playoff runs like what like talk to me,
you have the match up with some some tough dudes
in practice for sure. You know, I just heard Tony Allen,
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you know, because you gotta say Tony Allen was a
score in college and he had to transform his game.
And I was like, Tonal, you gotta guard me every day,
and so that helped him become a defender. Who was
some of the guys that you was like, Damn, I
gotta who was that that guy?
Speaker 3 (25:19):
Practice?
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Like I gotta match up every day right here, Like damn, it's.
Speaker 6 (25:24):
Funny because like we're doing the one eighty, but I'm
I'm going to go back, you know, and my high
school team, you had killers from our fucking team. So
we used to compete every single day.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
So you had to guard every day. And it wasn't
it wasn't stand over here and let him shoot.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
It wasn't none of that.
Speaker 6 (25:44):
And and if you didn't compete, you heard about it
from like four or five other players today.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
That I was.
Speaker 6 (25:56):
It was always of high school team say that. Yeah,
so we had a lot of competitors on our team,
like you know, Son Adams, Yeah, fucking Brandon Bowman. You know,
we had we had a we had a gang of
players on our team that was just fucking dogs. So
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every day we competing against each other, Scott Cutley, Bobby Brown,
you know, and we just say, yeah, we just had
a whole bunch of players who just went out of
every single day and they talked every day.
Speaker 8 (26:35):
That's what That's what I wanted to ask you.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
I never asked you.
Speaker 5 (26:37):
Now, you being the elite defender of the league, all right,
how much percent would you say when you're preparing for
that defender is based on I mean, for that offensive
player in that matchup is based on what you're seeing
on like you're studying off the field, and what's the
percentage of it is? Just like your instincts of what
you what you're gonna dominate from because sometimes and you
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can answer this too, like the film can throw you
off because it's like, hold on, I got attributes that
the film is when I get out here. You know
what I'm saying, Like y'all might think this the way,
but y'all not counting what I got, you know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
So like a lot of it is pride and wanting
to do it.
Speaker 6 (27:16):
But I would say a film that it helps because
you can kind of see a tendency to me. What
I tried to do was I try to find things
in players that made them uncomfortable. So ship that would
irritate you to have you thinking about other ship.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
So you know what I'm saying about, Like he reach
a lot I do, he gonna get he gonna get it.
He had long arms right all right, so you could
you couldn't suck around with him with the ball. You
gotta go straight to you gotta go straight to it
with him if you can sit there and do.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
All this ship. So I watched them in the summer
a lot.
Speaker 6 (27:50):
You know when I when I'm sitting down and I'm
looking the other way I'm actually looking at you. I'm
watching what you're doing, I'm watching how you walk. I'm
trying to pay attention to you because you gonna tell
me something that it can help me irritate you or
help me, like you know, push you into a place
that you don't like. And when you guarden scores like
them that you know score the ball a lot on
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how to alter ultimate green light. You're not gonna really
stop them. You just gotta make it, make it tough
on them, and make them shoot more than they would
normally shoot to get points. So if if I have
if Paul, if he makes nine or ten field goals
a game, I gotta make him shoot twenty five times
or twenty two times or probably even more to get
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field goal.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
Day exactly.
Speaker 6 (28:38):
Yeah, So that's I mean to me, that's the best
way that you can you can guard some of these
basketball anomalies.
Speaker 5 (28:44):
That's a good way to look at it like that
because being a defensive player.
Speaker 4 (28:49):
You have a defensive player, that's right, Yeah you have.
Speaker 5 (28:52):
Yeah, I'm gonna listen to his philosophy too. It's really
good because.
Speaker 4 (28:54):
Now you've reached a lot. To you, you've reached.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
I had awf the ball, I like you are.
Speaker 8 (29:02):
Yeah, but I hacked when you don't got it.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
Used to hack so bad in the summer.
Speaker 6 (29:07):
Now when you got the ball, you use the fucking hack.
Speaker 8 (29:12):
The ain't no reps out here.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
You can't from from the older air. Hacking means you
just foul all the time.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
It's just always just hack hacked.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
Do you shoot no foul, but you set the tone
of how you're gonna play it.
Speaker 4 (29:29):
I only can call so many fouls the time for hacking.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
You spent a lot of time in the Western Conference,
just like you was like, damn, it's gonna be one
of them nights. I gotta, I gotta, I gotta strap
up tonight, man, some of them guys, because the West
wasn't no joke. You had perimeter orientated league.
Speaker 4 (29:47):
At the time for sure.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
Twos and threes was yeah, that was it man.
Speaker 6 (29:51):
For me, like you said earlier, I have to guard
pretty much everybody, yeah, every single night. So you can't
really get stuck on what happened last night.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
So you have to prepare.
Speaker 6 (30:03):
But for me, guarding like t Mac was somebody who
I enjoyed playing against.
Speaker 8 (30:08):
Damn Jordan, he was gonna get his He had called.
Speaker 4 (30:12):
Don't get thirty.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
You just gotta make sure you get that that that
low percentage thirty.
Speaker 6 (30:16):
Yeah, Mello, obviously he's one of those players. Physical, super physical.
He gonna beat you up on both fans of the quarter.
That's why I always tell people mellow dog. He wanted
them once like, because he's gonna put his shoulder in
your chest and he.
Speaker 4 (30:30):
Gonna make he gonna he's gonna make you make a decision.
Speaker 6 (30:33):
He's gonna follow you while his team is at the
free throw Yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
Sure him.
Speaker 6 (30:38):
KD was super super super talented because you know what
could you do seven feet burner composed, can handle mid range?
You can't follow him because he's in ninety percent free
throw shooter.
Speaker 4 (30:53):
So did you ever guard came in practice?
Speaker 3 (30:56):
Col Man?
Speaker 6 (30:57):
Yeah, But that's the thing about our team. Everybody was
so competitive. Everybody's running to that matchup like everybody. It
just so happened that I spent the most time with him.
So you know, my child is.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
Able to show you something on defense because he was
he was competitive as.
Speaker 4 (31:15):
Hell on D.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (31:17):
Man, he had a competitive edge that like you know,
not a lot of people that I had the opportunity
to be on the team with you know that they have.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
It's just he's like and he's different.
Speaker 6 (31:29):
It's like completely different, because he'll play mind games with you.
He'll play the game within the game. You know, he'll
try to find new ways to motivate himself. Like for example,
when we were teammates and we were playing in the game.
You know, obviously he's the primary scorer, so he's going
to score the ball, but we had like we used
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to compete against each other for who could get the
most stills in the game every single game. So while
we're playing the game, game planning for the game, trying
to win the game, me and him have our own.
Speaker 4 (32:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (32:05):
Let me ask you this though, because I just heard
I heard some of you. I just said that Hardened
was the best score. Yeah, and I didn't really hear.
Speaker 8 (32:15):
Why, But did you take first that you take that
match up a lot? In practice?
Speaker 6 (32:19):
Was at the met we played on the same practice
we worked on with d'An toni. It was different because
like he wanted to work on offense a lot. So
like if me and James would be playing against each other,
they would be after practice plan once.
Speaker 5 (32:35):
Yeah, but how was it that year of seeing him
because and why would And I'm gonna ask you why
would What gives him the edge over somebody like Kobe
Because I look at Kobe, I look at when you
say the greatest score to me. I mean you had
to do that in the in the greatest of moments, right.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
So they all like game manipulators.
Speaker 6 (32:56):
But the way James manipulate the game, it was, it
was like it started something completely different, you know what
I mean, not different, but.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
He like tweeted a whole bunch of different.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
Exactly, but like everybody talking about like for me, and
I'm gonna be honest, like they say, Curry, you know,
the reason we played I think a lot of the
reason we play like this is James Harden. Yeah, he
learned how to get found. Yeah, step back threes. Everybody
going into their bag and getting to the three, Like,
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that's James Harden.
Speaker 8 (33:31):
That's that year at the Drew. We was like, he
about to bring that out this year.
Speaker 5 (33:37):
Yeah, that year the Drew we saw him because he
hadn't really unleashed him yet, No, he can't.
Speaker 8 (33:42):
It was from there on he.
Speaker 6 (33:43):
Was just another California player by the way, Yes, yeah,
as we talked about California High school, yeah, another California product.
Speaker 4 (33:55):
Damn.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
So James co better score, James, he said, James, but
I need to hear it right here.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
Like we played with Bobo Dog like them.
Speaker 4 (34:08):
That's a damn.
Speaker 6 (34:11):
James learned how to like. But they had to change,
so the rules changed.
Speaker 4 (34:16):
They had to change the rules because of the way, because.
Speaker 6 (34:18):
Of the way he scored, so the things that ripping
the ball through your arm.
Speaker 3 (34:22):
They changed it. They switched it up to me.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
Kobe was a better score. And I'll tell you why
James scored. He had thirty five. But when you talk
about how Kobe scored, that's compared to how James. Because
James was to the rack, get fouled, step back three.
Kobe was to the rack, set back three, mid range
up and under left.
Speaker 4 (34:44):
Hand, right hand ways he did it though.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
It was just like damn, Like how was because I'm thinking,
like how I had to guard Kobe. I was just like, damn,
all right, if he go left, he got a counter
to the counter, so I don't know, I don't know
if he gonna fade away, he gonna fake the fade
away step through, he go pivot with the left or right.
Speaker 4 (35:05):
It was just so much stuff I just was like, man,
I just hope he off today.
Speaker 6 (35:08):
I said, I mean, I just feel like in the
way James play, he's more of a showman. Being was
more of a villain. So that means like it's I mean,
I don't want to do that.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
But like he's going to try to like rip your
throat out. James is more of a.
Speaker 6 (35:28):
Like how you said he's gonna pull out tricks in
his bag. Being has tricks, but he's his first to exactly,
that's his first mind goes straight to it.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
Like seeing that, like is there a performance that you
just sat back and was like, damn, I'm really watching
this like I wanted from James or Cole.
Speaker 6 (35:51):
I watched being score forty four with a string ham string.
He was like damn, what how the fuck is even
running right now?
Speaker 3 (36:00):
Like what are you doing? Damn?
Speaker 6 (36:02):
Then I've seen James Square sixty five seventeen fifteen.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
Whoa Like it was just like you was on the table,
You're looking like, wow, I'm really watching.
Speaker 5 (36:11):
It as a machine at that point, because I hate
when people do this with Russ or him and like
oh they staff hadding, No, they going to get them
people not staff writing.
Speaker 7 (36:23):
It down they're getting it against the best way, just
as no the big people's box.
Speaker 5 (36:29):
Now he gotta still fly the energy required to put
those type of.
Speaker 6 (36:33):
Funny because like they used to be pissed, used to
be in there, going to be fighting with everybody in there,
going to get in there.
Speaker 3 (36:43):
Here come James, So let me get that pushing that ship.
Speaker 6 (36:46):
But nah, I don't think it was like, you know,
StAst stuffing, because again, everybody's professional. Everybody has a job
in a role you know that they gotta do, and
they they being a center. Traditionally, he's supposed to go
get those rebounds.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
You said you saw James go for sixty, right, yeah,
you saw. You also saw hard And go for sixty.
I mean no, now you've seen James. She saw Kobe
go for sixty in the garden Madison Square.
Speaker 6 (37:13):
Yeah that was and that was man, he was pulling
out all kinds of SS.
Speaker 3 (37:18):
You never had a show.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
I've never had a teammate where I was on the
court saw him go for sixty. So I don't know,
Like I'm just thinking if I saw one of my
teammates you up to sixty, like damn, hold on, Like
I just can't even imagine that it was like me
trying to go for sixty.
Speaker 3 (37:32):
I'm like, I wish I could see like that be special.
It is special.
Speaker 6 (37:37):
But it's like he don't even get tired. It's like
he's consistently like on kill.
Speaker 3 (37:44):
It's not it's all kill, it's.
Speaker 4 (37:46):
No will tell you not.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
I will never forget when Cob came in, I think
this was in two thousand and six or seven, and
he took forty one shots in the garden. Can I'm
imagine somebody pressure every time down.
Speaker 4 (38:07):
Every listen.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
I played in Eastern Conference, so I know, and I
didn't have to guard ai, so it was just like
every time down, like damn it, I don't have to
guard it, but I had to guard this right here.
Speaker 3 (38:18):
I had the guards, and.
Speaker 4 (38:19):
I'm like, is there any more plays for anybody else?
Like like damn.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
It's just like and there was one point listen to
how to he knew how to like break the play
to where it even looked like he's breaking up listens.
I'll never forget this. So like we're in the garden,
so now, so Kobe. I think he then reeled off
like about ten straight.
Speaker 3 (38:38):
On me shots or buckets.
Speaker 1 (38:40):
Buckets just went in. So we in the time out. Now,
so we in the time out right towhan over there,
the coach was like, man, who gonna guard Kobe? They like,
who go guard Kobe? I looked over.
Speaker 3 (38:54):
I said, I got him? Ship.
Speaker 4 (38:56):
I was hot, you know, I said, I got him.
Speaker 3 (38:58):
We ain't about to I can't switch downright, Yeah, it
fried down.
Speaker 7 (39:02):
They said.
Speaker 3 (39:02):
Somebody said, who guarded Kobe?
Speaker 4 (39:04):
Who gonna guard him?
Speaker 1 (39:05):
I said, I got him. I was so hot though,
and they said that in the time Oh yeah, they
phone on. They stopped to believe. Oh man, but I'll
never forget. I think he missed his last eight shots
and we won the game.
Speaker 3 (39:22):
Yeah, it was on, I told.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
You, yeah, right, So I was like, I think he
would have forty. He ended up with forty forty forty one,
but on forty one shots.
Speaker 3 (39:32):
So I was cool with that. I was cool with that.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
But when he went for that tear straight and we
had the time out and this the game is on,
it's the it's in the balance right now.
Speaker 4 (39:42):
It's like, oh man.
Speaker 6 (39:43):
The year we played Orlando in the in the finals,
being had a game where he literally shot the ball
every single time he touched the ball, and it almost
was like he was trying to prove a point and
were probably like, who you proving the point too? But
we over there like, man, what the fuck's going on?
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But nobody ain't really saying nothing.
Speaker 3 (40:08):
Be sure.
Speaker 6 (40:10):
He's like, yo, nobody ain't gonna say nothing to So
finally somebody said something and he looked at him and
he just kept going.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
Just kept going, like who who's the closest thing to
that right now? And I mean what just that type
of mentality, like who who is that?
Speaker 3 (40:31):
Anthony Edwards?
Speaker 4 (40:33):
Anthony Edwards two thousand and two.
Speaker 8 (40:36):
Kobe shot forty seven.
Speaker 6 (40:37):
Times forty one points in the game.
Speaker 1 (40:41):
You had twenty eight points in the game, and you
wanted ot by three points eight, right, we wound up winning,
But he dog, could you imagine I'm guarding a lot
of this fort he said, listen, hold on, think about this,
the hold on.
Speaker 3 (40:55):
So the game went overtime. So how many minutes is that?
Fifty minutes? Right?
Speaker 1 (41:00):
Fifty two, fifty three, fifty three minutes? Shot in forty
seven minutes, he took forty seven shots.
Speaker 3 (41:07):
That's like something that's like a boxer three time down,
is what I'm telling you.
Speaker 8 (41:13):
You got it right, Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (41:21):
They're like, why I got them?
Speaker 4 (41:23):
That's crazy? Like I got him, I could not have
him no more. I'm like, I'm trying to beat me
over the head.
Speaker 3 (41:28):
I'm abouna take my lumps. Forty seven looks it's crazy.
That's crazy. Yeah, that is.
Speaker 1 (41:35):
I'll never forget this. I looked at the statue in
the locker room. I look like, damn ye in forty
seven minute. That means every time down I'm shooting on
you pee. I don't give a damn. I don't give
a damn. I'm like, free free throw throw, can't getting
(41:56):
to the free throw and just tagging me. I'm like, damn,
get to that spot.
Speaker 3 (42:02):
Damn what you said?
Speaker 1 (42:04):
Two thousand and two and two beat them though we
beat the Lakers twice that year. Were the only team
I think in the East to beat them twice, and
we went to the conference finals that year and Lakers
punched the ticket before us, and I think we in
the conference finals. We like and we didn't already beat
Jersey three times during the regular season, were like, we're
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gonna see the Lakes. We want to see them because
we're like we got them. We could beat them because
our style was the style today. Were dragging shack out
to the pick and roll and we're shooting threes, so
if our threes is on, we.
Speaker 4 (42:36):
Can get them.
Speaker 6 (42:37):
That always kind of scared me though, Like if you
beat a team in the regular season and then you
got to see them later on.
Speaker 1 (42:43):
Got us too. We got them because you think you
got them, right, I think that.
Speaker 3 (42:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (42:48):
I think when we played y'all, we split and we
had like, well we beat y'all twice the year or
same year we played.
Speaker 1 (42:55):
I don't even remember that year because the trade was
that year too, right, Yeah, in the middle of the year.
Speaker 6 (43:01):
Yeah, but I think we beat y'all in it was like,
I don't know. That always just bothered me to beat
a team like in the regular season.
Speaker 4 (43:11):
You got.
Speaker 3 (43:12):
It's a completely different because we got popped.
Speaker 1 (43:15):
Hey, Jay Breeze, appreciate you dog always, man. Thanks for
coming out, man, thanks for sharing, sharing your experience on
the court, kids and.
Speaker 4 (43:27):
All of that.
Speaker 3 (43:27):
Man, we appreciate you. Appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (43:30):
That's see it from the Truth Lounge. Make sure y'all
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Speaker 3 (43:37):
We out
Yo, y'all, y'all, welcome to the Truth Blounds.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
It's going down today.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
What's everybody? Body? Welcome to the Truth Lounge? Of course.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
I got my boy j Crow, my Young and Trevor
Reza in the house.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
O G.
Speaker 4 (00:27):
Trevor.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
We got the California connect Inglewood and Westchester, y'all don't know,
we go way back. That's a rival, hey, But high
school basketball is around the corner. These two feature sons
that some of the top players in the country.
Speaker 4 (00:42):
We're gonna dive into that.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
High school season is starting and this may be one
of the deepest class in recent memory that I can
think of going into twenty twenty six?
Speaker 4 (00:52):
Is it?
Speaker 1 (00:52):
This is the class of twenty twenty six. It's some
hitters out here. This may be California's greatest high school
class coming in. And then I'd just like to dig
into that with y'all. Man, what y'all think? Seasons coming up? Expectations,
Englewood High, Westchester got some heat?
Speaker 3 (01:09):
What's up man with y'all? What y'all thinking?
Speaker 4 (01:10):
Man? What y'all looking like this year? What y'all looking like?
Speaker 5 (01:13):
Jay, I'm trying to see what travel looking like. Man,
I'm proud of what he did, getting his alma mater
back going. You know, we was having conversations about that.
It's very inspiration and what he's doing, what uh Gil
is doing. Having Elijah play in the city, I think
it's gonna be Elijah.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Where's Elijah right now?
Speaker 5 (01:34):
Chatsworth, that's LA City, that's the valley, but it's Lacy
Basketball City basketball. So definitely LA basketball is back California
in my opinion, somebody got to show me differently. But
it's so talented at the top right now. And and
also it's so many guys out here that is not
getting respect that are really really good that I that
(01:56):
I've been watching too.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Why don't the California get their respect like the Californi
High School because it was like that when I played.
I just feel like and then if you look at
the NBA, we most of the time.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
Feature the most pros.
Speaker 6 (02:10):
I just think it's a combination of a lot of
the times the camps are on the East, you know,
their conditions as far as like, you know, whether it's
a little bit grimier than what we got. You know,
our style is a little bit different. We a little
more We got a little bit more ism to our game.
(02:31):
You know it shows on the court. But you know, again,
like you said, California has always produced pro We always have,
you know, a shit ton of kids that are in
college every year in different parts of the country. And again,
you know, with this year coming up in the next
year to follow, we got a lot of a lot
(02:53):
of talent on this side.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Again, so Inglewood obviously got young j Crow Jua, but
also some talented kids. Obviously Westchester's future feature.
Speaker 7 (03:04):
Kids came from Westchester. Who are you talking about? David
Connerley just good.
Speaker 5 (03:11):
I want to say his name on here because he's
a kid that I believe it's going to be recognized
when it's all done. He's a throwback kid that loves
the game. He loves to play, he has tremendous instincts,
and he's working real hard. So I want to see
how he does. And I'm really looking forward to seeing.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
His type of expectations you got this year coming out Westchester.
What type of expectations, what they're looking like they can
with the vision is Westchester, I'm not even sure what
the vision all right?
Speaker 3 (03:39):
So who.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
I know? That stuff changed all the time.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
Man, It's just so many stuff, and just like college basketball,
like college football, everything is changing and.
Speaker 8 (03:51):
Stuff is changing too.
Speaker 5 (03:53):
Now what I'm saying, that's amazing to get announced at
the end, Like, that's.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
What I'm saying.
Speaker 8 (03:57):
So you don't even know what you know, you gotta
battle it.
Speaker 6 (04:00):
I think what we did though, I think it was
important for our culture of basketball. You know a lot
of the times the culture changes, like y'all have been saying,
but like the Catholic schools were starting to get the players,
private schools are starting to get the players, and it
took away from you know, our city schools, right yeah,
(04:22):
and you going back to Inglewood, us going back to
west Chester. I think I think that it definitely helped
the city come back to.
Speaker 5 (04:34):
Well resource that used to look like you walking into Westchester.
That's an advantage for the program, for the kids who
are participating in the program. You're a champion. You can
go there and share a state. Yeah, I knew it
was a couple of times.
Speaker 8 (04:51):
Just want to know what I'm.
Speaker 5 (04:51):
Saying, You go back there now we ad Inglewood. He's
walking We had both of y'all walking into Inglewood, So
that was great. But for you guys are now walking
into gyms. And I think that's the advantage of coming
back to a situation like that, when you can bring
expert Cheeze back.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
I mean for us not only walking into gyms, walking
into gyms where we came from.
Speaker 5 (05:12):
Yeah, walking to gym. Yeah, we talk about that, how
we was looking up to go, Like when Herod would
come into the gym.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
It would feel good, right because it was somebody week
that inspired yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
For all these years, leaving them in the gym.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
And he went right here, he walked this campus, just
like y'all doing now, So for them to get a
feel and see that and talk to you and touch us,
and like, damn, he's right, Paul. He went here, he walked,
he went to class right there. He was roaming right here,
took took him taking the bus lines like us.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
I like it.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
That's what I love about it. Just now, I think
I think we're gonna have to build up this rivalry
back because Westchester and Egle, well, when we was there,
west Chester.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
Had our down. VARIANK can't even lie man I hated before, but.
Speaker 5 (06:01):
You'll had y'all had looks. Y'all couldn't beat the mingus,
and we was beating them. We were smacking them and
we couldn't one game we had.
Speaker 8 (06:12):
We thought we had y'all at home, y'all, y'all.
Speaker 5 (06:14):
Went to that matchup zone. Y'all was going, man, we
was going ice four flat.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
Y'all came into Englewood and beat us by dumb.
Speaker 5 (06:26):
Was that I had a dug, I had color was hot,
I was hot, I wasn't tripping.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
I was But then look so look so then the
next year we go to Westchester.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
That was a classic game.
Speaker 5 (06:45):
Two weeks later at the Mass again, they went to
that they went matchup zone.
Speaker 6 (06:49):
So basically what you're saying, y'all, we.
Speaker 5 (06:52):
Played them in our teacher I never beat west.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
That sounds about right. That year, yeah, no idea out
of here. You yall was gone.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
I needed y'all out of here.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
We beat them in our teacher tournament.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
The next year, my first, Yeah, we lost them at
the Buzzer.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
My senior year. Oh yeah, we talked about that. They
cheated us.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
They cheated all right, So look this how the game. God,
they just sent me the tape. Were on the group chat.
You know, look, we down two, were down two, and
I'm aout the line. I make the free throw five
seconds ago. I missed the free throw. Somehow, I get
the rebuild, put it up, missed the layup, get the
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rebound again, make the layup.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
We up one look up.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
It's still five seconds.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
They start, and then that's when Lamar came down, drive
it through, shot something at the free throw, beat us
at the buzzer. But we beat them in our teaser
tournament that year, my senior year, we uh, because we
won our teacher tournament.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
We beat them.
Speaker 4 (07:59):
That that's the only time we beat them though.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
But there was some good battles, some good rivalries, and
then of course your time there, y'all won a couple
of state championship. But like that's I feel like that
air was was like that's when Westchester was building, like
right in the early nineties, because you had Gumby and.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
All of them.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
They built that, and then Jay Hard after that, and
then you come along and then y'all y'all elite program. Now, y'all,
y'all elite, now, all of that that whole nineties and
you early two thousand, y'all elite Now, so y'all's part
of the foundation that helped build up that program UH
to where it is today. Winning a couple of state titles.
Just how was that feeling? Man just went into state?
Speaker 4 (08:38):
Who did y'all play?
Speaker 3 (08:40):
Crazy? Bro? We played Leon team twice.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
School.
Speaker 6 (08:48):
Damn wait, we played them three times our time in
high school and we beat them all three times. But
Leon just you know, he was bigger than everybody for sure,
and because she got touched he could shoot. But yeah,
he was for sure, like like an animal. But we
got them.
Speaker 5 (09:05):
Y'all had how many pros?
Speaker 6 (09:10):
I just feel like, ye, we had like like maybe
five or six pros.
Speaker 5 (09:15):
That's what I'm saying. We're not talking about college. Yeah,
the one they have they was like Kentucky.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Because they built up that program I'm telling you from
Gunna be the jay Hard did when by Tom Trailor
got there, the program ready to go. They was like
modern day the Mingus. They was like on that level. Yeah,
because the Mingus was winning state. They always went in
state and the California and the city schools was back
and krin Shaw was pretty good, was good Man? Yeah, Yeah,
(09:41):
that's when it was the peak. That's when it peaked.
And see now we're trying to get back to that
with Westchester being back on the map of course you
got your son there.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
Of course j Pro Junior and Inglewood they match up
this year, don't they.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (09:54):
Oh yeah, January fourth, four.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
Uh it's Inglewood.
Speaker 8 (09:58):
Check it out.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
He can't get no neutral site.
Speaker 7 (10:05):
You know, everybody that's get there early, get.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
There and that's gonna be a game.
Speaker 8 (10:13):
I feel it was a bigger venue.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
We should just have it out a neutral site.
Speaker 8 (10:17):
Now we coming to west Chester next year for the experience.
Pack it up.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
So right now I'm looking at ESPN's top sixty and
it looks like one, two, three, four, five, six, six
players in the top ten in California. Obviously, if y'all
don't know, Stokes is the number one player in this class.
(10:42):
But if you go down the line, Taj and Reese's
number seven, Jay Crow Junior number eight. But the guy
I want to talk about to Christian Collins, because his
dad is D'Angelo Collins, who went to Inglewood, who was
a McDonald's All American and he was a pro.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
He was a pro. He he you.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
Know, some things happened that didn't go his way and
didn't work out, but he was definitely a pro. But
his son, Christian made the biggest jump cause I remember
seeing Christian. Christian came out and tried out for the
truth and didn't make our team.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
No, but look, but I said, when I saw Christian,
he was like, I got his Instagram, I said, he
and he asked me, and I can show you this
right now.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
He said, what you think I need to work on?
How do I get better?
Speaker 1 (11:28):
And I said, honestly, you got all the skills and
all the talent if you just played a little bit
harder and and you got everything, but you gotta treat
every game like the show last and display that and
just go hard every night, cause you got the raw skill.
And I look right now, I'm talking about from last
year till now. He made the biggest jump out of
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everybody being in the top ten. So watch out for
Christian Collins, Saint John Bosco's six at kid.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
He gonna be something.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
So yeah, this is gonna be interesting. I agree with you, bro.
Speaker 8 (11:59):
You know what, I've got a chance. I've been coaching
at this level.
Speaker 5 (12:04):
But I've been coaching at this level since these kids
been in the fourth grade, even with my son too.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
Trevor.
Speaker 5 (12:10):
He opened up his gym to all of us and
let us come in there and get better and hitting
that weight room.
Speaker 8 (12:18):
Everybody did, y'all.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
I give y'all a little.
Speaker 5 (12:20):
Bit, you know, like telling too much of this stuff,
But Trevor, for real, that's something people don't know that
we're gonna say that here. Like that was a critical
summer because that's when my son even started dunking. We
was over there and yr Gym getting it in. You
was looking like and I watched Christian. I watched him
and I told him there. I was like, now you're
about to take off, because in this day and age,
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you have to be physical. You have to have developed
your physicality in order to do what you want to
do out there, you know, and you have to work
hard at that. And all these guys have made that
leave and they've dedicated themselves to the game of working hard.
Speaker 6 (12:54):
To think about like we're talking about Christian, and think
about Christian is he actually is? He's like a junk
you though, Like, like we were talking on the phone
the other day and we was just talking about how
much he's like turned into like a fiend to get better,
working on this game, working on his body, all the
little details. We was at the game when y'all was
playing against Utah Prep and I'm talking to him. He
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can't even hear me talking to him because he's focusing
on what the players are doing, how they how they
how they scoring, where they're scoring from, how I'm gonna
guard them. So his like attention to detail and his
love for the game is on a whole other level right.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
Now, so.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
More than any era that I can ever remember.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
It's just so many guys that I'm seeing former NBA players,
sons that are coming up through the rank and are
actually can play. Yeah, I mean, obviously we got the
first father son combo in the league now Lebron James
Junior with Lebron, We'll probably never see that again. But
just talk to me, man, just like right now, just
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the scenery of NBA players and their sons. Because we
ain't even talked about Arena's son. You got Carmelo's son
out there making his mark. Rondo WHI he was here
with us a couple of weeks ago talking about his son.
Talk or tell me, talk to me about how it's
been for you, Tramp, just watching your son evolve to
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the point he's in today, like as a father, just like.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
Man, Well, to me, it was about him wanting to
do it.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
You know.
Speaker 6 (14:38):
The one thing that I can say is I had
to give his mom credit for allowing me to, you know,
do some things that probably was uncomfortable.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
For somebody to get it because the moms be so
protective that it is because you get them running and
doing hard stuff and they don't feeling they be feeling
that and it just sometime they could get in the way.
Speaker 6 (15:00):
Yeah, so you know that it starts there, right. Yeah.
So it's a completely different understanding from being a kid
to trying to do something that is nobody can do
really And that's like like again, the eyes of going
to the NBA is zero point three percent of however
many people uh play. So the fact that you know,
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this kid is learning a completely different style of understanding
you know, again, it goes to to what he's been
you know, taught as coming up, Like.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
What's your message to him, like like how do you
separate like fatherhood from.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
Like, oh, coaching them?
Speaker 4 (15:45):
Like you know what I'm saying, I don't.
Speaker 6 (15:47):
I don't see I don't have the burden of coaching them,
not not a.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
Coaching them, but just giving them game. You know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
I know you you got to for sure giving them game.
Speaker 6 (15:58):
I try to, I do what I can and to
give him asm. But again he's at that age where
he listens to it. But I guess it just depends
on how it's being delivered, attention to it or now.
But you know, the one thing that I do know
is he's hearing what I got to say, and how
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he applies it or how he uses it. It all
depends on, you know, where he is in his own
development in his mind.
Speaker 5 (16:27):
You know what I like, where he's going with his
game right now. So a couple of times this summer,
what do you think is the best game you've seen
him play so far?
Speaker 6 (16:37):
I don't really I can't really tell you like best games.
But what I can tell you is like moments or
things that he's like turning on that is like more
important to me than just what he's doing right now,
you know.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
What I mean.
Speaker 6 (16:51):
So like me, when I'm while we're trying to build,
I'm looking at certain attributes that he's finding in himself
that you know, we can pull out of them more
so that those things are more consistent. Because again, he's
unbelievably talented. He got super talent. Yeah, you know, he
got a pretty jumper. He got all that.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
I was standing next to him about a month ago.
It was in a tournament. I forget where we was at. Man,
he was coming out to gym.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
Look. I was like, he's like, damn six yeah, yeah,
and he's strong though.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
He got like his arm is long. He already looked
like he already like a little grown man.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
He's growing.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
And I'm like, damn, that's just seeing these kids grow,
because obviously I didn't been around the circuit and watch
these kids grow, and it's just crazy just seeing them now.
They little man, they got mustaches and beers now, Like
it's crazy to see that. Man. I know, y'all got
to be some proud father seeing just the progress and
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the evolution of y'all kids and how they taking on
not only their own personality and because their game is
nothing like y'all's. You know what I'm saying, It's like
you played a certain way, you played a certain way,
and now your son he got his own style, and
he got his own style, and it's just fun seeing
them grow and it become their own man right now.
(18:17):
So it's been a beautiful thing watching this throughout the years. Yeah, yeah,
I must say so. And moving forward, what would you
like to see? Okay, he's a junior. Now, yeah, what's
the next step.
Speaker 6 (18:33):
The next step for me is just consistently being a
student of the game and always having killer, having kill
mode on, like every time you.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
Step on tea. Okay, the skills there, but now you're training.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
This, right.
Speaker 6 (18:50):
It's cool to be cool with people, you know, that's
a part of it. You grow, you you build relationships
when you play, but you want to build a mentality too,
you know what I mean. And while you have friends,
if you always on kill, your friends are gonna always
be on kill. That's how you can tell the difference
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on who's who you know, Like when you step on
the court, right, you looking to see where you can
take advantage of what matchup you what suits you best, right,
or what's going to be the easier play? If you
always on kill, you're gonna be able to tell who's
not on kill.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
All right, let me ask you all this because now
y'all got obviously some talented kids. What's what's the recruitment
Like what's the n L I NIL situation? Like how
that's changed the game, Like how do you navigate that part,
you know, almost start you like, how do you navigate
determining what's the best situation for him, say after high school?
Speaker 4 (19:52):
If you start looking ahead.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
What are you looking for in a program or what
are you looking for after the high school?
Speaker 5 (20:00):
Well, for me, I'm looking to I've coached him since
fourth grade. Yeah, so I'm looking to hand him off
with something to somebody who can advance what we've started.
I can't continue on this journey.
Speaker 8 (20:13):
With them like this anymore in the way that I have.
Speaker 5 (20:16):
So now I'm looking for anybody the next that can
advance them. There's there's more to take them, to take
them to the next level. You know, That's what it is.
But one thing that I did understand, because if you
have to understand to adapt to what's going on today.
So this nil, all this stuff is new, but you
have to educate yourself.
Speaker 8 (20:37):
You can't think that you know, we have an advantage.
Speaker 5 (20:39):
Because we've been in a business of basketball for so long,
but you have to keep learning because of the business
is changing. It's probably made three changes since we've been
in the AU space.
Speaker 8 (20:51):
I watch it.
Speaker 5 (20:52):
I watch it make several changes because now the American
business model even at the.
Speaker 8 (20:57):
Youth level is business.
Speaker 5 (20:59):
The bat Basketball's business from from when you start now
it wasn't like that before. Like now these kids can
get they're getting deals, so you just can't run and
get every deal.
Speaker 8 (21:10):
You can't.
Speaker 4 (21:11):
That's what I want to get to.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
I want to get to like say, like there's a
program that you may not really.
Speaker 4 (21:16):
Like be feeling, but they're like, hey, we got like
a million.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
What you like? How you like they got the money?
Like but then they don't got the money. But this
is the best situation.
Speaker 6 (21:30):
So how you you know, because it's gonna come to that, right. So,
so to me, it's about like what's your ultimate goal?
So if you're just trying to like continue to like
if all your eggs are cashing out on nil, then
your big picture is just that.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
Okay.
Speaker 6 (21:46):
So for me and what I try to teach my
son is the NBA max.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
It's going to be like out of control, ridiculous.
Speaker 6 (21:59):
And I'm not saying that the men, you know what
I'm saying, so and not even saying that, like you know,
I'm looking forward or looking ahead.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
Obviously there are steps.
Speaker 5 (22:10):
You can't compromise the development, right you can't, but you
can't get bought out exactly.
Speaker 8 (22:15):
You can't do that.
Speaker 6 (22:16):
So what's most important is you standing on this grind now.
For me, and this is how I look at my son.
I feel like he's a handsome young man. He's articulate,
he's a confident young man.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
He's tall. You know, he can play the game.
Speaker 6 (22:31):
So there's plenty of avenues that he can go down
as far as like piecing other shit together. But the
most important thing is staying locked into what the ultimate
goal is and that's to be But.
Speaker 5 (22:43):
I think he has had the advantage of having us
because they can focus on basketball and trust the process
because we're not I get it. There's some parents that
are if you're a kid and you fifteen and sixteen,
and you just imagine Oj Mayo in back in the day,
that he got to put his family on.
Speaker 8 (23:02):
He gotta take whatever.
Speaker 5 (23:03):
It doesn't matter if they playing in Idaho, that's where
they're paying that he got to go because that's what
his family needs and he got to put his best
foot forward to get to make that situation what it is.
Speaker 8 (23:12):
Our kids don't have a pressure of that.
Speaker 5 (23:14):
We just have to make sure that we're up upgrading
their value allowing them to participat in things that they
can they can do right now that helps their brand,
but you can't compromise the basketball. I agree with that,
you know, because our kids still need to develop and
they need to be around people that's going to help
them get better.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
I agree with them too.
Speaker 6 (23:35):
That's why I'm hard on my kids for real, Like
there's a standard of understanding that I think that they
need to understand because you know, they're, well, my kids
they not growing up and I'm sure you'll kids ain't
either growing up.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
How we came completely different bus.
Speaker 6 (23:54):
It's a completely different on the bus.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
I'm not saying that.
Speaker 6 (23:59):
I'm not saying that our parents didn't give us or
do the best that they It's just a completely different
understanding in a different error. But the level of what
I expect from my kids that don't waiver at all,
that's right. You know, I'm completely rooted in how I
feel in the standard that who they should be.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
That's dope. That's dope.
Speaker 6 (24:22):
Man.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
I really love hearing this, you know, because y'all in
the middle of the process. You know, my son is eleven.
I'm not sure which direction he goes. He's still trying
to figure it out. But like just having y'all around
here and just in case my son get to that level.
You know what I'm saying, I can kind of navigate
it and and kind of like hear it from y'all firsthand.
Let's talk matchups, Trav, you know what what what made you?
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Because you, in my eyes, you became in a league
defender in the league. You know, you played on some
great teams, won a championship with the Lakers, made a
lot of deep playoff runs like what like talk to me,
you have the match up with some some tough dudes
in practice for sure. You know, I just heard Tony Allen,
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you know, because you gotta say Tony Allen was a
score in college and he had to transform his game.
And I was like, Tonal, you gotta guard me every day,
and so that helped him become a defender. Who was
some of the guys that you was like, Damn, I
gotta who was that that guy?
Speaker 3 (25:19):
Practice?
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Like I gotta match up every day right here, Like damn, it's.
Speaker 6 (25:24):
Funny because like we're doing the one eighty, but I'm
I'm going to go back, you know, and my high
school team, you had killers from our fucking team. So
we used to compete every single day.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
So you had to guard every day. And it wasn't
it wasn't stand over here and let him shoot.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
It wasn't none of that.
Speaker 6 (25:44):
And and if you didn't compete, you heard about it
from like four or five other players today.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
That I was.
Speaker 6 (25:56):
It was always of high school team say that. Yeah,
so we had a lot of competitors on our team,
like you know, Son Adams, Yeah, fucking Brandon Bowman. You know,
we had we had a we had a gang of
players on our team that was just fucking dogs. So
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every day we competing against each other, Scott Cutley, Bobby Brown,
you know, and we just say, yeah, we just had
a whole bunch of players who just went out of
every single day and they talked every day.
Speaker 8 (26:35):
That's what That's what I wanted to ask you.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
I never asked you.
Speaker 5 (26:37):
Now, you being the elite defender of the league, all right,
how much percent would you say when you're preparing for
that defender is based on I mean, for that offensive
player in that matchup is based on what you're seeing
on like you're studying off the field, and what's the
percentage of it is? Just like your instincts of what
you what you're gonna dominate from because sometimes and you
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can answer this too, like the film can throw you
off because it's like, hold on, I got attributes that
the film is when I get out here. You know
what I'm saying, Like y'all might think this the way,
but y'all not counting what I got, you know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
So like a lot of it is pride and wanting
to do it.
Speaker 6 (27:16):
But I would say a film that it helps because
you can kind of see a tendency to me. What
I tried to do was I try to find things
in players that made them uncomfortable. So ship that would
irritate you to have you thinking about other ship.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
So you know what I'm saying about, Like he reach
a lot I do, he gonna get he gonna get it.
He had long arms right all right, so you could
you couldn't suck around with him with the ball. You
gotta go straight to you gotta go straight to it
with him if you can sit there and do.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
All this ship. So I watched them in the summer
a lot.
Speaker 6 (27:50):
You know when I when I'm sitting down and I'm
looking the other way I'm actually looking at you. I'm
watching what you're doing, I'm watching how you walk. I'm
trying to pay attention to you because you gonna tell
me something that it can help me irritate you or
help me, like you know, push you into a place
that you don't like. And when you guarden scores like
them that you know score the ball a lot on
(28:11):
how to alter ultimate green light. You're not gonna really
stop them. You just gotta make it, make it tough
on them, and make them shoot more than they would
normally shoot to get points. So if if I have
if Paul, if he makes nine or ten field goals
a game, I gotta make him shoot twenty five times
or twenty two times or probably even more to get
(28:35):
field goal.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
Day exactly.
Speaker 6 (28:38):
Yeah, So that's I mean to me, that's the best
way that you can you can guard some of these
basketball anomalies.
Speaker 5 (28:44):
That's a good way to look at it like that
because being a defensive player.
Speaker 4 (28:49):
You have a defensive player, that's right, Yeah you have.
Speaker 5 (28:52):
Yeah, I'm gonna listen to his philosophy too. It's really
good because.
Speaker 4 (28:54):
Now you've reached a lot. To you, you've reached.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
I had awf the ball, I like you are.
Speaker 8 (29:02):
Yeah, but I hacked when you don't got it.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
Used to hack so bad in the summer.
Speaker 6 (29:07):
Now when you got the ball, you use the fucking hack.
Speaker 8 (29:12):
The ain't no reps out here.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
You can't from from the older air. Hacking means you
just foul all the time.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
It's just always just hack hacked.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
Do you shoot no foul, but you set the tone
of how you're gonna play it.
Speaker 4 (29:29):
I only can call so many fouls the time for hacking.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
You spent a lot of time in the Western Conference,
just like you was like, damn, it's gonna be one
of them nights. I gotta, I gotta, I gotta strap
up tonight, man, some of them guys, because the West
wasn't no joke. You had perimeter orientated league.
Speaker 4 (29:47):
At the time for sure.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
Twos and threes was yeah, that was it man.
Speaker 6 (29:51):
For me, like you said earlier, I have to guard
pretty much everybody, yeah, every single night. So you can't
really get stuck on what happened last night.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
So you have to prepare.
Speaker 6 (30:03):
But for me, guarding like t Mac was somebody who
I enjoyed playing against.
Speaker 8 (30:08):
Damn Jordan, he was gonna get his He had called.
Speaker 4 (30:12):
Don't get thirty.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
You just gotta make sure you get that that that
low percentage thirty.
Speaker 6 (30:16):
Yeah, Mello, obviously he's one of those players. Physical, super physical.
He gonna beat you up on both fans of the quarter.
That's why I always tell people mellow dog. He wanted
them once like, because he's gonna put his shoulder in
your chest and he.
Speaker 4 (30:30):
Gonna make he gonna he's gonna make you make a decision.
Speaker 6 (30:33):
He's gonna follow you while his team is at the
free throw Yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
Sure him.
Speaker 6 (30:38):
KD was super super super talented because you know what
could you do seven feet burner composed, can handle mid range?
You can't follow him because he's in ninety percent free
throw shooter.
Speaker 4 (30:53):
So did you ever guard came in practice?
Speaker 3 (30:56):
Col Man?
Speaker 6 (30:57):
Yeah, But that's the thing about our team. Everybody was
so competitive. Everybody's running to that matchup like everybody. It
just so happened that I spent the most time with him.
So you know, my child is.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
Able to show you something on defense because he was
he was competitive as.
Speaker 4 (31:15):
Hell on D.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (31:17):
Man, he had a competitive edge that like you know,
not a lot of people that I had the opportunity
to be on the team with you know that they have.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
It's just he's like and he's different.
Speaker 6 (31:29):
It's like completely different, because he'll play mind games with you.
He'll play the game within the game. You know, he'll
try to find new ways to motivate himself. Like for example,
when we were teammates and we were playing in the game.
You know, obviously he's the primary scorer, so he's going
to score the ball, but we had like we used
(31:51):
to compete against each other for who could get the
most stills in the game every single game. So while
we're playing the game, game planning for the game, trying
to win the game, me and him have our own.
Speaker 4 (32:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (32:05):
Let me ask you this though, because I just heard
I heard some of you. I just said that Hardened
was the best score. Yeah, and I didn't really hear.
Speaker 8 (32:15):
Why, But did you take first that you take that
match up a lot? In practice?
Speaker 6 (32:19):
Was at the met we played on the same practice
we worked on with d'An toni. It was different because
like he wanted to work on offense a lot. So
like if me and James would be playing against each other,
they would be after practice plan once.
Speaker 5 (32:35):
Yeah, but how was it that year of seeing him
because and why would And I'm gonna ask you why
would What gives him the edge over somebody like Kobe
Because I look at Kobe, I look at when you
say the greatest score to me. I mean you had
to do that in the in the greatest of moments, right.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
So they all like game manipulators.
Speaker 6 (32:56):
But the way James manipulate the game, it was, it
was like it started something completely different, you know what
I mean, not different, but.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
He like tweeted a whole bunch of different.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
Exactly, but like everybody talking about like for me, and
I'm gonna be honest, like they say, Curry, you know,
the reason we played I think a lot of the
reason we play like this is James Harden. Yeah, he
learned how to get found. Yeah, step back threes. Everybody
going into their bag and getting to the three, Like,
(33:30):
that's James Harden.
Speaker 8 (33:31):
That's that year at the Drew. We was like, he
about to bring that out this year.
Speaker 5 (33:37):
Yeah, that year the Drew we saw him because he
hadn't really unleashed him yet, No, he can't.
Speaker 8 (33:42):
It was from there on he.
Speaker 6 (33:43):
Was just another California player by the way, Yes, yeah,
as we talked about California High school, yeah, another California product.
Speaker 4 (33:55):
Damn.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
So James co better score, James, he said, James, but
I need to hear it right here.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
Like we played with Bobo Dog like them.
Speaker 4 (34:08):
That's a damn.
Speaker 6 (34:11):
James learned how to like. But they had to change,
so the rules changed.
Speaker 4 (34:16):
They had to change the rules because of the way, because.
Speaker 6 (34:18):
Of the way he scored, so the things that ripping
the ball through your arm.
Speaker 3 (34:22):
They changed it. They switched it up to me.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
Kobe was a better score. And I'll tell you why
James scored. He had thirty five. But when you talk
about how Kobe scored, that's compared to how James. Because
James was to the rack, get fouled, step back three.
Kobe was to the rack, set back three, mid range
up and under left.
Speaker 4 (34:44):
Hand, right hand ways he did it though.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
It was just like damn, Like how was because I'm thinking,
like how I had to guard Kobe. I was just like, damn,
all right, if he go left, he got a counter
to the counter, so I don't know, I don't know
if he gonna fade away, he gonna fake the fade
away step through, he go pivot with the left or right.
Speaker 4 (35:05):
It was just so much stuff I just was like, man,
I just hope he off today.
Speaker 6 (35:08):
I said, I mean, I just feel like in the
way James play, he's more of a showman. Being was
more of a villain. So that means like it's I mean,
I don't want to do that.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
But like he's going to try to like rip your
throat out. James is more of a.
Speaker 6 (35:28):
Like how you said he's gonna pull out tricks in
his bag. Being has tricks, but he's his first to exactly,
that's his first mind goes straight to it.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
Like seeing that, like is there a performance that you
just sat back and was like, damn, I'm really watching
this like I wanted from James or Cole.
Speaker 6 (35:51):
I watched being score forty four with a string ham string.
He was like damn, what how the fuck is even
running right now?
Speaker 3 (36:00):
Like what are you doing? Damn?
Speaker 6 (36:02):
Then I've seen James Square sixty five seventeen fifteen.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
Whoa Like it was just like you was on the table,
You're looking like, wow, I'm really watching.
Speaker 5 (36:11):
It as a machine at that point, because I hate
when people do this with Russ or him and like
oh they staff hadding, No, they going to get them
people not staff writing.
Speaker 7 (36:23):
It down they're getting it against the best way, just
as no the big people's box.
Speaker 5 (36:29):
Now he gotta still fly the energy required to put
those type of.
Speaker 6 (36:33):
Funny because like they used to be pissed, used to
be in there, going to be fighting with everybody in there,
going to get in there.
Speaker 3 (36:43):
Here come James, So let me get that pushing that ship.
Speaker 6 (36:46):
But nah, I don't think it was like, you know,
StAst stuffing, because again, everybody's professional. Everybody has a job
in a role you know that they gotta do, and
they they being a center. Traditionally, he's supposed to go
get those rebounds.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
You said you saw James go for sixty, right, yeah,
you saw. You also saw hard And go for sixty.
I mean no, now you've seen James. She saw Kobe
go for sixty in the garden Madison Square.
Speaker 6 (37:13):
Yeah that was and that was man, he was pulling
out all kinds of SS.
Speaker 3 (37:18):
You never had a show.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
I've never had a teammate where I was on the
court saw him go for sixty. So I don't know,
Like I'm just thinking if I saw one of my
teammates you up to sixty, like damn, hold on, Like
I just can't even imagine that it was like me
trying to go for sixty.
Speaker 3 (37:32):
I'm like, I wish I could see like that be special.
It is special.
Speaker 6 (37:37):
But it's like he don't even get tired. It's like
he's consistently like on kill.
Speaker 3 (37:44):
It's not it's all kill, it's.
Speaker 4 (37:46):
No will tell you not.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
I will never forget when Cob came in, I think
this was in two thousand and six or seven, and
he took forty one shots in the garden. Can I'm
imagine somebody pressure every time down.
Speaker 4 (38:07):
Every listen.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
I played in Eastern Conference, so I know, and I
didn't have to guard ai, so it was just like
every time down, like damn it, I don't have to
guard it, but I had to guard this right here.
Speaker 3 (38:18):
I had the guards, and.
Speaker 4 (38:19):
I'm like, is there any more plays for anybody else?
Like like damn.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
It's just like and there was one point listen to
how to he knew how to like break the play
to where it even looked like he's breaking up listens.
I'll never forget this. So like we're in the garden,
so now, so Kobe. I think he then reeled off
like about ten straight.
Speaker 3 (38:38):
On me shots or buckets.
Speaker 1 (38:40):
Buckets just went in. So we in the time out. Now,
so we in the time out right towhan over there,
the coach was like, man, who gonna guard Kobe? They like,
who go guard Kobe? I looked over.
Speaker 3 (38:54):
I said, I got him? Ship.
Speaker 4 (38:56):
I was hot, you know, I said, I got him.
Speaker 3 (38:58):
We ain't about to I can't switch downright, Yeah, it
fried down.
Speaker 7 (39:02):
They said.
Speaker 3 (39:02):
Somebody said, who guarded Kobe?
Speaker 4 (39:04):
Who gonna guard him?
Speaker 1 (39:05):
I said, I got him. I was so hot though,
and they said that in the time Oh yeah, they
phone on. They stopped to believe. Oh man, but I'll
never forget. I think he missed his last eight shots
and we won the game.
Speaker 3 (39:22):
Yeah, it was on, I told.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
You, yeah, right, So I was like, I think he
would have forty. He ended up with forty forty forty one,
but on forty one shots.
Speaker 3 (39:32):
So I was cool with that. I was cool with that.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
But when he went for that tear straight and we
had the time out and this the game is on,
it's the it's in the balance right now.
Speaker 4 (39:42):
It's like, oh man.
Speaker 6 (39:43):
The year we played Orlando in the in the finals,
being had a game where he literally shot the ball
every single time he touched the ball, and it almost
was like he was trying to prove a point and
were probably like, who you proving the point too? But
we over there like, man, what the fuck's going on?
(40:06):
But nobody ain't really saying nothing.
Speaker 3 (40:08):
Be sure.
Speaker 6 (40:10):
He's like, yo, nobody ain't gonna say nothing to So
finally somebody said something and he looked at him and
he just kept going.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
Just kept going, like who who's the closest thing to
that right now? And I mean what just that type
of mentality, like who who is that?
Speaker 3 (40:31):
Anthony Edwards?
Speaker 4 (40:33):
Anthony Edwards two thousand and two.
Speaker 8 (40:36):
Kobe shot forty seven.
Speaker 6 (40:37):
Times forty one points in the game.
Speaker 1 (40:41):
You had twenty eight points in the game, and you
wanted ot by three points eight, right, we wound up winning,
But he dog, could you imagine I'm guarding a lot
of this fort he said, listen, hold on, think about this,
the hold on.
Speaker 3 (40:55):
So the game went overtime. So how many minutes is that?
Fifty minutes? Right?
Speaker 1 (41:00):
Fifty two, fifty three, fifty three minutes? Shot in forty
seven minutes, he took forty seven shots.
Speaker 3 (41:07):
That's like something that's like a boxer three time down,
is what I'm telling you.
Speaker 8 (41:13):
You got it right, Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (41:21):
They're like, why I got them?
Speaker 4 (41:23):
That's crazy? Like I got him, I could not have
him no more. I'm like, I'm trying to beat me
over the head.
Speaker 3 (41:28):
I'm abouna take my lumps. Forty seven looks it's crazy.
That's crazy. Yeah, that is.
Speaker 1 (41:35):
I'll never forget this. I looked at the statue in
the locker room. I look like, damn ye in forty
seven minute. That means every time down I'm shooting on
you pee. I don't give a damn. I don't give
a damn. I'm like, free free throw throw, can't getting
(41:56):
to the free throw and just tagging me. I'm like, damn,
get to that spot.
Speaker 3 (42:02):
Damn what you said?
Speaker 1 (42:04):
Two thousand and two and two beat them though we
beat the Lakers twice that year. Were the only team
I think in the East to beat them twice, and
we went to the conference finals that year and Lakers
punched the ticket before us, and I think we in
the conference finals. We like and we didn't already beat
Jersey three times during the regular season, were like, we're
(42:25):
gonna see the Lakes. We want to see them because
we're like we got them. We could beat them because
our style was the style today. Were dragging shack out
to the pick and roll and we're shooting threes, so
if our threes is on, we.
Speaker 4 (42:36):
Can get them.
Speaker 6 (42:37):
That always kind of scared me though, Like if you
beat a team in the regular season and then you
got to see them later on.
Speaker 1 (42:43):
Got us too. We got them because you think you
got them, right, I think that.
Speaker 3 (42:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (42:48):
I think when we played y'all, we split and we
had like, well we beat y'all twice the year or
same year we played.
Speaker 1 (42:55):
I don't even remember that year because the trade was
that year too, right, Yeah, in the middle of the year.
Speaker 6 (43:01):
Yeah, but I think we beat y'all in it was like,
I don't know. That always just bothered me to beat
a team like in the regular season.
Speaker 4 (43:11):
You got.
Speaker 3 (43:12):
It's a completely different because we got popped.
Speaker 1 (43:15):
Hey, Jay Breeze, appreciate you dog always, man. Thanks for
coming out, man, thanks for sharing, sharing your experience on
the court, kids and.
Speaker 4 (43:27):
All of that.
Speaker 3 (43:27):
Man, we appreciate you. Appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (43:30):
That's see it from the Truth Lounge. Make sure y'all
tune in, subscribe to what you need to do, but
check us out.
Speaker 3 (43:37):
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