March 22, 2024 • 52 mins
Welcome back to another week of The Truth Lounge with Paul Pierce and Jason Crowe. Episode 5 is a SPECIAL ONE. The guys have an honest debate about who had more impact on the game of basketball, Michael Jordan or Steph Curry. Plus, a behind-the-scenes look into Paul's visit with the Celtics for their game vs. the Suns. Also, they debate which Celtics team is better, the 2008 title-winning squad or this years team.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (01:14):
I'm gonna tell you why I believe that Steph Curry.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Is the most influential on the on the court, not
saying influential off the court, not saying what he meant
to hip hop culture and culturally, but most influential on
the court basketball player ever. And I'm gonna tell you why.
Like you think it's somebody else saw good, saw good,
(01:41):
I can believe that, But I'm telling you he the
most influential basketball player. He influenced the game more than anybody.
And then we're gonna talk about my time in Boston.
Oh there, y'all go, oh, yeah, we're gonna talk about
my time in Boston. Man, we got a lot to
talk about it. Truth Flounder is going. Damn man, you
got to hear what this. This dude gotta say. I
(02:03):
can't believe what he talking about. This is crazy hard everybody.
It's a lot going on. The NA tournament that started.
I'm back on Undisputed, so make sure y'all tune in.
But yesterday, oh and by the way, welcome to the
Truth Floune. But yesterday I was on the show and
(02:26):
I was talking about I got a lot of flak
from everybody, and I was saying that Curry is the
most influential basketball player, which I meant influence on the
game of basketball, over Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, Lebron James.
And now we go just talk about that. Got Jay
(02:48):
Crow in the house once again. So this is something
I want to go on to further detail and talk about.
So buckle up your seatbelt, and I want to hear
what my man got to say about this, cause we
was talking about this shooting pool. So we're gonna die
right into this. So Jay your thoughts because I'm all right,
(03:10):
let me spill mine. This is what was said. I
said he had the biggest influence on the game of
basketball because of the way everybody played right now, everybody
trying to emulate him at the guard. Everybody feel like
I can get to the league if I can make
threes from deep. And now I see it in that
you a coach, you see it in the AU circuit,
(03:31):
you see it in high school, you see it in college.
Every time down the guard is just saying I can
if I can make these threes or three is better
than two. And I feel like Curry got a lot
to do with it, because temps attempts are way up.
Nobody was shooting from half court from logo before Steph.
(03:53):
So you're trying to tell me he didn't influence the game.
When I go to the to the pickup games, everybody
wants everybody they can shoot threes.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
When I when I look.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
At the games night in and night out, everybody's emulating,
you know, not only because of Steph, but I think
Golden State did this too. It's a combination of Steph
and the Golden State Warriors to where they showed you
that you can win a championship shoot threes. They showed
you Steph showed you can win the m v P
(04:24):
being a three point shooter, and we've never seen that
before where a guy who shot most of his attempts
from three be so dominant. So what's your thought on
that his influence? His influence on the game is greater.
And I want you to tell me why, because I
just feel like Steph is like all I do is
go to the gym and shoot threes.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
Now, well, first I listened, this ain't no interview all that.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Well you know, all Ship, I'll talk to me, will
you know, I don't want to hear that all. Let's
have a discussion. We was inside don't want to.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
But what I'm saying is that you're talking about you
go to the gym. You know, of course the old
man can't drive the ball. They fired up wild threes.
That's just number.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
One, the forty over leave everybody, the forty and overs.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
Everybody fired up threes. This is my thing on that.
Let's give Steph his credit, but this is my thing.
Steve Kerr, he was an executive under d'An TONI I
give D'Antoni more credit than Steve than this. Stephen Curry
would bringing in this style or this.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Mentality I'm talking about step influences.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
Okay, well let me can I say what I got
to say?
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Ah, it makes sense.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
I would make it make sense for you.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
So I'm giving D'Antoni the credit, but I'm saying that
when Steve Kerr came over, he changed the way Steph
Curry played. And now only did he have Steph Curry,
he had his brother other mister Splash Klay Thompson. So yes,
I look at both of those guys who fired threes uncanny, relentless,
(06:04):
as guys.
Speaker 4 (06:05):
Who are two of the greatest shooters of all.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Time who took what d'An TONI brought from Europe to
the NBA. But when I think about the most influential
on the court, I think about Jordan, because first of all,
Lebron came in the league wearing wearing his jersey cap,
but also he influenced somebody else to be a goat.
(06:32):
When you think about Jordan, there's so many videos of
Kobe mimicking Jordan cats kets.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Was it like I could be Jordan's first You have
to be able to dune from free throw.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
You have to be able to.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
Every night, come on, everybody.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
You have to be six to six. He influenced.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
No, you look at all these things that's going against
you wanting to be Jordan's sixty six, dufferent free.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Throw, pall the ball, tongue out swat.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Curry is sixty three. He blends in in the crowd.
He walking to New York Street. He can blend in
the like I could be him.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Just because you six three, you feel like I could
be him? Though, who's playing more? Who's playing like?
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Follow him more?
Speaker 2 (07:18):
He gonna influence me like Curry? Who plays like Curry?
Speaker 3 (07:21):
Yeah, influence wasn't just the style of play, It was
the relentlessness.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
It was the it was a swag.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
It was the wearing different like wristbands here, but also
having that aggressive nature to go though.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Yeah, influenced style of play more.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
That's what the coaching of Dan Tony influenced this whole
style of play. I don't believe nobody plays like Steph
Curry in the NBA but him. Trey Young doesn't play
like Steph Curry. To me, Dounky doesn't play like you have.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
To you have to make an NBA comparison to Trey Young.
Who would it be?
Speaker 4 (07:57):
Well, Steph Curry never got this assist ever in his
career like Trey Young. So what he did he.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
Took the Isaiah style and moved it out to the
three because this is the range.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
That now you say Trey Young play like Isaiah.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
No, he took the Isaiah style, but he moved it.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
Out to see Kobe plays like Jordan. What does Trey
Young emulate?
Speaker 4 (08:15):
He does not play like Steph Curry.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Who does he emulate?
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Bro?
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Who does Dame Lillard emulate Dame Lillard? Yeah, that's Steph Curry.
That's the Steph Curry effect.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
Brote Curry.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
He doesn't shoot him like the way Steph Curry shoots him.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
Nobody was shooting Steph Curry's influential consistently.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
I can't Steph Curry, Well, I don't remember.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
I don't remember nobody shooting from the logo before Steph
Curry just consistent like I'm gonna come in and pull
this at the shock.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
I ain't want it down in Church Lee.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Man, Nobody, nobody was influenced by that. Now, I'm talking
about overall his.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
His was shooting from the logo.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
Now, Trey Young and Lebron James, who.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
Else, Luca Dowkins, Luca and Lily so like. So it's
four than fifty people in the league. So we're saying
like six people. So we're saying, like, let me Jordan poole, Okay,
six people?
Speaker 1 (09:18):
All right? How many more?
Speaker 2 (09:19):
How many cats was dunking? Put their tongue out?
Speaker 3 (09:22):
All the athletes Jordan influenced because that was the whole thing.
Remember the game went to an athletic driving game. You
have people that didn't fit the bill, but they was
trying to find guys who can play like Jordan. In
that time, the game has.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Evolved from I can wear your shoes, or I can
dress like you, or I can wear my guard.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Like Jordan bro all the that position.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
He can influenced the position like Steph Curry is a
unique position because we don't know if he's a point,
he's a two, He's this, that and the other.
Speaker 4 (09:57):
Jordan is the shooting guard. He defines the position.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
He made everybody else want to play like him, whether
you can jump that high or not.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Influenced more players than Jordan, because people could be Jordan.
But people said, all right, now I can be a
point forward. I could be a point forwardated Scottie H.
Grant Hill, you were Steve Smith like he like, people
(10:27):
said I could be the point forward now, Lebron James,
he was no, he wore twenty three. But I'm saying
I'm playing saying playstyle. Pipping changed the game more than Jordan.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
Well, listen, I like pipping because I realized, like I
played with you, know why you be like you know
why you you know why you say pipping. I get
pipping credit because I played with you in high school. Right,
I saw how good you was. I better slide the
number two. So Jordan saw Pippin, and he and Pippin
saw Jordan knew.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
Jordan, let me help Jordan influenced the culture. Kobe influenced
the culture. Lebron Jordan's burn like this Kobe? Who was
who emulated Kobe? When you after Kobe? Who you listen?
Speaker 2 (11:16):
Who? Who?
Speaker 3 (11:17):
Where's the goat that that? So, where's the goat that
Steph influenced. Jordan made us another goat. He was so
great that Kobe said, let me follow this blueprint to
be a goat.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
That ain't gonna be nobody gonna follow that. So, yeah,
that's the influence. Because nobody can.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Copy this exactly, so you can't have if Jordan got copied.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
He made my point.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
The Jordan got co This is what I'm talking about.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
Listen, when you have these discussions, you feelie, you just
keep talking.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
And then evidence revealed himself.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
You know what he said.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
He said, Jordan's got copied.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Because nobody's gonna be able to copy.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
Not excuses, nobody will be able to copy. Steph no
influence compared to Jordan. Jordan made us another goat. Think
about that.
Speaker 4 (12:12):
Jordan made us a goat. He showed us.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
We thought that was impossible though that should have been impossible.
Speaker 4 (12:18):
Just like.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
We're never gonna see another shock. We're never gonna see
another shock.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
Well, you gotta be seven feet and big and exactly.
Shack is unique, but Jordan's.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
It's gonna be more.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
Jordan thought you could be be more people six to
six because when Steph, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
I ain't saying when you were a kid, you don't know.
I taught you're gonna be who your.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
Son like me?
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Steph Curry, Steph you crazy.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
Steph the coaster, you know, Steph Curry running around, He
off the.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
Ball, cracking now here on the ball.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
Check Listen, I'm a two time m v P in
Europe two thousand and three. All right, Ukraine, b c
if he didn't in Ukraine and the region. All right,
he's seen the film, he's read the articles pandemic.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
He read you ain't got no v CR bro we.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Got can be converted to.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
D v D.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
No more d v D.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
I have d v ds at all.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
I didn't even make DVDs. No more, I got dv
watching that. He's watching digital Listen, he watching step.
Speaker 4 (13:24):
He watched men. Nah, we'll have him on the show, y'all.
You'll tell he play like.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
Who you play like your dad or Steph?
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Right now, you don't play like Steph, who you worked.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
Out with this summer Georgian pool or you did who
Georgie Poole played like? Who you trying to play? Oh?
Steph Curry, there we go, There we.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
Go, plays like me. He's a better point guard more.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Let's call let's call J two. Let's ask him. All right,
he plays like you. All right, let's call J two.
Speaker 4 (13:55):
He's gonna he answer from whoever. He's a kid. He
let's see, all right, let me talking what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
I want to speaker. I want to ask the question.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
Here we go. Let's turn the volume up, raw, authentic
J two? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (14:13):
Who people who? People say you play like if it
was one comparison to you.
Speaker 4 (14:20):
Do you pay like? Do you put like your daughter? Like?
Speaker 2 (14:24):
If people come and watch you play? What that what
that be saying?
Speaker 1 (14:26):
You play like.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
B G.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
Beddy Jennings.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Tough crowd that Steph Curry?
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Nah, come on, man, come on, come on.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Because he's left handed.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
That's why you get all right, all right?
Speaker 2 (14:41):
You play closer to your dad or Steph Curry.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
Like my dad. There we go, all right, good, looks
my god, there we go. That's what I'm saying. It's
fluence dog my dad.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
He don't play like stuff.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
He just said it, Steph Is he just said it.
Speaker 4 (15:05):
I'm his coach.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
He said, he's just He's just a kid.
Speaker 4 (15:09):
He's just a kid.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
He's he's just a kid.
Speaker 4 (15:13):
What he said, he said, you played step He said no.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
If you ask him Steph more like Steph or your dad.
Of course he's gonna say the one hundred million dollar player.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
No, no.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
If somebody watching like my dad, no no, my dad
was called.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
That was he don't play like stuff. He don't play.
He don't run around and shoot like that. You don't
do that.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
I got Steph the most influential as far as emulating
playing like he got Jordan's. Let me hear in the comments,
who you got. I'm just saying, though, dude, change the game.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
He changed. How many people do we say he changed
the game?
Speaker 4 (15:55):
Jordan's Steph changed the game. I heard the start of
money when they.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
Changed the game. Listen, Lebron got.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
Just because Lebron said it, don't mean that it's true. Listen,
I'm a historian of this game. So I'm going with Dan.
Tony brought in the three point shooting, right, and let's.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
Go research in three point shooting.
Speaker 4 (16:18):
The coaching style, the coach has to let you do it.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
If that's the case, then we played that style back
in two thousand and two with coach O'Brien.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
We brought that style in. But the Celtics, look it up,
y'all was jacket.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
We had the small We have to we have to.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
Stretch shooting for No y'all was trying to shoot.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
We were shooting threes, y'all playing win, you know what
I'm saying. As a team though, as a team we
brought small ball. We had to stress shooting for So
don't save that, Tony, because the style. And then if
you go back and look at our championship team, our
best lineup was Eddie House, Ray Allen Me, James Posey,
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four three point shooters, and KG.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
And I'm listen.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
So that style of play a thousand threes. Nobody average
twelve threes.
Speaker 4 (17:08):
He said.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
So Steph is credited with changing the game. So I
never heard nobody say that about Jordan. Jordan the goat,
bron the goat he birthed.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
People will say about they.
Speaker 4 (17:22):
Birthed the goal.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
When you put a goat, when you have another goat
that plays your exact style. That is the greatest influence
because you create your style was so good, you created
another guy who's arguably a.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Goal James Harden got more influence than Curry.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
No, then a lot of these cats, how many now
everybody doing the step back?
Speaker 4 (17:47):
I thought you did the step back?
Speaker 1 (17:49):
I did?
Speaker 4 (17:49):
So who gets to James Hardener?
Speaker 2 (17:50):
You I'm the Yoda in all of this? So would
you be one?
Speaker 1 (17:56):
Yeah, but that was I was the first one to
make that my goal to move James Harden in the
social media error he started doing it. Now, if you
ain't got a step back in your game, you can't
playing the league. So now I give I'm gonna name
other players that have more influence man New Genova, le
(18:17):
do you if you ain't got Euro right now, if
you ain't got Euro right now, you can't play in
the league. You fighting that. So if we say influence
on I'm talking about not off the court. And that's
what y'all gotta understand, fans, I'm not talking about off
the court. Influence on the court influence step James Harden,
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man New Genobiy, they got more influence on the game
of basketball than Jordan, Kobe and Lebron, think about that
if you ain't got a Euro step man, When Genomi
came in doing that, and I know other players was
doing that, Marcehalonis, you know these othering else was doing it.
But when you was doing it and he was doing
it in the finals, on the big stage and all
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of that, that's when people really saw it. Then d
Wade came with his You saw d Wade boom then
now not the whole league doing it.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
I like that, So I like you influences them.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
Cats right there, got more influence than the top guys
that ever played the game.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
From Jordan genobly, genobally, Jesus, this guy's reaching.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
No, no, I'm a name five guys that might have
more influence. Listen to this.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
Listen to this, though, I want you to have more
influence than Jordan's.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
Jeff, you think about this.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
My name four or five players that Roy Williams.
Speaker 4 (19:44):
Roy Williams, I'm sorry, I apologize.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Listen, Listen to what I'm saying. You just hearing you,
hearing the names.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
Appreciate everything you've done, Roy Williams. Listen, everything you've done
has been amazing.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
Listen, listen, listen to what I'm saying, everybody listens to it.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
I heard you say have more influence than George.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
I want to tell you four more, four players that
have more influence on just the game and how we
play the game, on how we played again, listen to
what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Don't react because I'm listening.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
Nobody Curry, I love you, you know, I know love Nobody.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
James Harden, Whiskey.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
I saw the whiskey.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
So you're telling me I would give dry No, I'm
gonna put Dark and the Whiskey over Steph Curry over impact. Yes,
let's do that. I'm going with Dark, No Whiskey. Whatever
you want to say about Jordan, I'm going with Jordan
over everybody. But I'm gonna go with Durk and No
Whiskey over Steph Curry because now the advent of the
three point shot in the stretch forward and his impact
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on the game is greater than and then greater than
Steph Curry. There's no there's nobody that plays.
Speaker 4 (20:56):
Like Steph Curry.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
There's a lot of people that have tried to play
like Durton No Whiskey in terms of spacing the floor
and trying to get the big man out and being
able to shoot.
Speaker 4 (21:05):
The three like that.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
When we saw when we saw Durton Nowhisky play at
the Nike Hoops Summit, it we knew that that was
a different player, right and that and that player has
changed the way that we play today.
Speaker 4 (21:18):
So that's that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
I'm saying that the greatest influence on the game is
the European style, and Steph Curry's skill set is a
great He has a great skill set to the European
style because the European style is positionless. You do, that's
where the positionless basketball comes from because they have multiple
players playing in different spots that we didn't play with.
Speaker 4 (21:43):
You know, if you was.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
A big man, you set the down screen, you dove period,
you didn't pop, you didn't do all that kind.
Speaker 4 (21:49):
Of stuff that we played double headed bigs.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
European they played with space, they played with cuts, they
played with driving lanes. That's their style. You want to
talk during no whiskey over Steph. That's a great one, Pete.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
All right, so now let's go to if you want
to talk about basketball culture.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
Okay, I give you Jordan, I give you Alan Iverson.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
It's Jordan. I get culture, money, game style. It is
Michael No, all of it, all of it. He's over Irison.
They said to say Iverson changed the game.
Speaker 4 (22:29):
Look, I give Iverson made corn rows non gangster.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
I give him that, all right. And he made tattoos.
He didn't do that. He made tattoos cool because Deennis
Robin didn't make tattoos cool.
Speaker 4 (22:42):
It was just Dennis Robins. So Coach Lee, I'm still
giving Jordan.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
Jordan had everybody wearing knee braces with no knee injuries.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
I got that now. So that's a different topic. But
as far as how you play the.
Speaker 4 (22:56):
Game, dur now whiskey. Now, I'm gonna go with Dirk.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Steph.
Speaker 4 (23:01):
It's Steph out of there.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
Everybody got nobody play like Jordan.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
Everybody, everybody got a euro step everybody want to be
a stretch for now.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
So I mean, you gotta think about what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (23:13):
No, I like it.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
You said Dirk, and that was a great one because
I think now that you say that, you gotta.
Speaker 4 (23:19):
Put Dirk over Steph.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
Dog because you got no, no, you got you gotta
put Dirk over him because you look at the influence
on the game. Kat Williams, I mean Cat. I said,
Cat Williams, my fault. Cat Williams in the news so much.
I mean Anthony town right. But the fourth position now
from Robin Lopez. Everybody wiskey. So that's the.
Speaker 4 (23:43):
Greatest impact because it's.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
More people that play like Dirk than play then try
to play like Dirk, then run around shooting them crazy
threes like Steph, like like the Steph is the greatest
in that role. But but I don't think he influenced
as many players to play like him because I don't
think nobody can play like him.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
We got March Madness going on, crazy buzzer beaters. But
what came to my mind? Man has had me thinking,
who you think got the sickest buzzer beater all time
in the NBA? And I'm talking about the sickest buzzer beater?
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No time on the clock.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
It's soft, let's go home.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
And I just was thinking in my mind, I was thinking, like, damn,
it's a couple that come to mind. I ain't gonna
even lie because there's a lot of cast that got
zero point one two seconds on the clock, zero point eight,
no time on the clock. Who you think got the
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sickest buzzer beater all time time in the league, all time.
I'm gonna tell you mine, though, hold on, hold on,
let me get mine though. It's Kawhi Leonard versus six Ers.
You know why because look, he hits you series over.
I've seen him. I've seen the motherfucker cry after and
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it propelled them to the chip. Like it don't get
no better than that. Because if you don't make this
shot over time, time sign time. You know you go
over time, you never know what can happen. And I
ain't never seen this type of emotion out of Kawhi
because think about that, you missed that shot. History change
so and you put you put a motherfucker out the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (25:43):
Yeah, I like that one out the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
Ain't tomorrow, man, I see m I ain't gonna say
no names, but somebody cried after that though.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
Yeah, that was a heartbreaker.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
A heartbreaks gotta be the most heartbreaking thing to get
hit at the buzzer. And this is nothing you can do.
You gotta go home and all you think about you
might not even go outside no more. You might even
go outside that summer because I think about like losing
in the playoffs, it's a lot of summers. I didn't
go outside and I didn't get hit like that. But
if you get here at the buzzer to end the series,
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Oh man, that's cold blooded. So who you think? Because
I got something that come to mind outside of Kawhi,
but I put Kawhi up there.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Yeah, I like that coldest one.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
I like that one to.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Send somebody home zero on the clock. You in the
locker room, you might be in your jerseys for the
next hour. You might not even shower, you might just
you might just go home in your jersey.
Speaker 4 (26:40):
Yeah, I like that one.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
I like that you think, who you think? Who you
got for me?
Speaker 4 (26:45):
I'm gonna go with I'm gonna go with this one.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
What's that?
Speaker 4 (26:53):
What you just did that? Lillard?
Speaker 2 (26:56):
He did this?
Speaker 4 (26:57):
Yeah, good night? Oh damon Lillard.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
On PG because it was so much back and forth
as trash talk. So then he sent them home with
a buzzer beater and PG face hit him with the
nice and the and the after reaction. For me, I
like your three interview as the best respect because now
that's gonna go on. No, because you hear that going
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on from that's that's the biggest catchphrase. Yeah, I call game.
So you banked it in so I but it was killer.
But I'm gonna go with I'm gonna go with Damon
Lillard because of the stakes, because if I can put
myself in, who would I want to do? I would
love to be talking trash.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
No, no, no, I ain't gonna lie. That was cold because
you know why, because Damon hit. I ain't never seen no, no, listen,
I didn't hit a lot of buzzer beaters, you know,
in my life. And I'm emotional. I have never seen
nobody hit a buzzer beater to send you home. And
then look at the camera.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
Like yeah, he looked like he hadn't know he was
a killer. He did his job, looked like what's that
movie with Tom killing everybody?
Speaker 2 (28:20):
He gave y'all the Godfather like it was he was.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
You know, I thought it was like when the Godfather
about the off somebody and hit you with them. He
just looked like.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
He had the Godfather looked like he's used to murder
Jesus that.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
Might have been with that look, with that ever seen
for somebody to wear at the buzzer and send somebody on.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
How you can not get emotional after that? Because You're like,
I do this.
Speaker 4 (28:51):
Yeah, that, I mean, that's iconic. So I'm gonna go
with that.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
But look they're all diving on them, they all.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
He looking him like that was crazy. All right? You
know what that was cold? You cold that you got
He not only got one, but two. I can't forget
about Jordan versus Calves. You don't make that cold too.
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That it was there was down one, so degree of
the pressure of that is even greater.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
So the other two. We talked about it.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
And it was a breakthrough. It was a breakthrough. It
was a breakthrough still for the for the Bulls Jordan era.
That was a big breakthrough to get that series.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
Just just he misses, then they go home. If Lillard
miss his, they go overtime. If Kawhi miss his, at
least is overtime. If Jordan miss his, they go whold.
That's what's so cold about it. Damn Jordan gotta.
Speaker 4 (29:55):
Be a damn Jordan's you know what I mean? Jordan's
no for me, and.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
I got kawhis because they they propelled him to the
championship and they won the chip that year. The other
cats Jordan Lillard, next round, they got hit, kah went
all the way and finished the job. So that's what
made that shot way more special. That's gonna be on
the whole championship tape. You know what I'm saying, that's
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gonna be. That's gonna be. That's gonna be on the
whole tape.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
Kawhi shot was shot was you know what I mean,
kind of considered a lucky shot though.
Speaker 4 (30:32):
It touched every part of the realm.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Like you act like you can't shoot killing that game? No, no, no,
that's a lucky shot. My bank shot was luck. To right,
that was luck, Like I never did that.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
Yeah, did you call? I called game? He asked you
did you call glass?
Speaker 1 (30:57):
I called you? Was offended, you, Kawhi should be offended
that he went to his spot shot the fatal way.
That's not as much at it.
Speaker 4 (31:07):
He threw up.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
He was like he was sitting there begging, oh Willie.
He was sitting there, will it please?
Speaker 4 (31:17):
Will it? Oh? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (31:19):
Leonard looked like Leonard looked like you guard me like this,
You don't know I got this deep range.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
Just sit it.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
I'm chilling. Paul George sitting there in the stance looking
are you looking?
Speaker 1 (31:29):
And Paul George it was like it was like it
was like a he shot it and knew he was
gonna make it.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
He looked like, what are you? Are you stupid?
Speaker 1 (31:38):
What about John Stocking over over Houston? See this is
the historical history of the game. That was the end
of the series that broke my heart.
Speaker 4 (31:45):
I'm not gonna I was.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
I was for Barkley. I wanted to breakthrough. Yeah, I
wanted him to break through. They was winning the series.
I remember that series. He came down.
Speaker 4 (31:54):
Stocking was phenomenal in the fourth quarter, hit the three pointer.
It's over.
Speaker 3 (31:57):
So I respect that shot, But I just think Lillard
because it was so much banter going through because in
this new era, it was a lot of media banter
that we didn't have in the game. Back then, it
was like a real like almost you felt like it
was like a real hatred. And then for you to
have an opportunity to kill your prey and then look
at him.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
What's the most heart All right, let's pick a shot.
What's the most heartbreaking shot in NBA to you in
NBA history? Heartbreaking heart It don't have to be. It
could be last minute with a couple of seconds on
the clock. It don't have to be zero this time heartbreaking, Like, damn.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
That's hit.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
I'm trying to think that's I mean, I gotta really think.
I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (32:44):
That's tough. You gotta coime me some opportunities.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
Damn. Like you as a fan and you watched it
and you you kind of crumbled.
Speaker 4 (32:52):
Can I just say something? What I will say?
Speaker 3 (32:56):
I don't know if this is the in my lifetime
of watching the aim. When ron Our Test made that three,
I just knew.
Speaker 4 (33:04):
I felt it was a broken and then yeah, it canceled.
All we had party plans at the Beverly Wheelship. Everything
was canceled.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
That's crazy.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Everything was crazy.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
That's wow. You said heartbreaking.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
I mean I'm thinking about something I can because I
was thinking about the after party and we had everything
set up.
Speaker 4 (33:27):
It was game seven, so now don't know this.
Speaker 3 (33:34):
We had the party, had the party was canceled, and
I knew when Ronald.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
Test made that shot, I was like, oh come on.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
Listen, don listen. First of all, called me on the
left wing. It's crucial, ron Who you rather hit the shot,
ron Meta or ray on him? I'm in help, Like
leave him open, that's cold, leave him open. If he
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hit this hat off. Y'all got it. So I'm in
health position and he kick it to dude and I
challenged late when he hit that. Bro, Yeah, I can't
believe you brought that.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
Yeah, that's crazy, Like you said, crazy, Drake.
Speaker 4 (34:18):
You got a new song, Drake.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
Man about something.
Speaker 4 (34:21):
Last week?
Speaker 1 (34:22):
Man, we was in Boston. Man, we had a chance
to get out to some fans. We had a chance
to go to the game. We watched the Phoenix game
and everything, man, so you know, check this real out.
We had a chance to talk to some fans, gave
away some jerseys, got to the city. It was nothing
but love. You know, when I come to the city
is love. Check it out. I'm giving away and signed
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autograph jersey some truth trivia.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
All you gotta do is answer the question.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
I signed an autograph jersey with Surets and named one
of my teammates what year it's Larry verd Born.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
Who goes to Old eight Celtics.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
Got rivers there you go. So check this out right
here Union Oyster House. And while we're here, we're gonna
do a clam chowder review. All right, We're gonna go
start off with smell, Smell, Smell, smell. Okay, pass it
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the smell test. Oh yeah, I got the contato. I
got the clamb in there. New York Oyster House is
a five star clam chowder. No doubt.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
Truth is truth, Uman.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
You my boy, But this is Boston, and I didn't
make this sure, Bady. Let's go. Let's go, Yo, It's
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been an amazing day. This is what it's like hanging
with the Troop on game day. We had a chance
to interact with some fans, gave away some jerseys. We
was out in the streets. We came to the gang,
got the w Most importantly, Yo, this is the truth
experience here in Boston. They don't get no better than this.
Out before at the old Facila, we just had little,
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small pictures. Now it's grew into this. You're not only
coming into a practicing arena. You're coming into like an
actual museum service to others. Is the rig you made
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your room here on the.
Speaker 5 (37:20):
Everything we've done is kind of built on the back
of like all you guys have to go all the
way back to Russell and Red, all the way through
to you and Kevin and Ray and Rondo and those teams.
And yeah, I mean that's what's great and everything we
try to do is you know, like around here is
a tribute to the the guys who came before, the
people who built this.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
When you go to a museum and you look at
certain things, that's what our practice facility is like. It's
because there's history in here, and there's other practices they
don't have no history. So that's what it is in Boston,
in the garden and in our practice facility. You see
the old pictures, just like you see the old dinosaur bones,
you see you see the banners, just like you see
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the hieroglyphics. It's a museum.
Speaker 5 (38:04):
No one has that history. And yeah, it's what makes
the Celtics the Celtics, and we always you know, you
can we have a marketing tagline this year. You know
it's different here. Yeah, it is different here, and that's
a big part of what makes it different. It's like
the guys who came before, the people who built this,
all the great players, the Hall of famers, people like
yourself who won championships here. It's been such a treat
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to have him involved with the team. It's great for
him to come in here spend time with our guys,
particularly the time you spent this summer with you know,
with JT and others. It's been really cool to see
that connection coming back because again, that's what makes the
Celtics the Celtics. It's the greats who played before, you know,
passing the baton to the players of today. And so
it's been really neat to help Paul around, to help
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us with that.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
You got to pass it down like it was passed
to me. You got to continue to do that. So
I want them to see that, so when they're long
gone and the next generation of Celtics come in, they
can do the same thing.
Speaker 5 (39:00):
It's all grown up now, thank you.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
It's just always good to get back and and golf
myself amongst the Celtic culture. Enjoy going to the games,
enjoy watching practice because of the forefathers before me did
the same thing, and I just try to keep the tradition.
Speaker 4 (39:21):
Man.
Speaker 1 (39:22):
You know, this is a little being a Celtic is
all about. Because if the younger generation don't see this,
it won't continue. I'm glad we had to capture some stuff,
you know, because every time I come to Boston, I'm
amongst the people. I'm a man of the people and
everybody knows this, and so just to capture so people
can really see it. This is what I've always done
since being retired, getting out in the community, showing love
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to the fans because they always show love to me.
Speaker 6 (39:48):
I compete against Paul a long time ago, a long
long time ago when I was playing with Milwaukee Bucks.
He was a member of the course, the Boss of Celtic,
So our competitive nature just drew us to get that.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
You know, he went to win.
Speaker 6 (40:01):
I knew that, and he knew I wanted to win,
and we just competed against each other. So when I
became a part of the Boss of Celtics in two
thousand and eight, I think I came here like in February.
Speaker 1 (40:11):
He opened.
Speaker 6 (40:12):
He welcomed me with open arms and with Kevin Garnett
was the former teammate of Minds and Ray Allen was
the former team date of mind So I basically knew.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
A lot of guys on the team before I got here.
Fast forward fifteen years later. Sixteen years later, Man, it's
the brotherhood we have.
Speaker 6 (40:30):
We did something special together winning an NBA championship, bringing
Band of seventeen back to Boston.
Speaker 1 (40:40):
This one took a lot of blood, swim tears out
of me. Boy, two ten hard years. Should have had
a second one.
Speaker 4 (40:49):
Oh man.
Speaker 1 (40:53):
Sorry, I'm gonna cherish this one though. It's like you
only got one. Okay, there's people that ain't got none.
I'll take it. I'll take it. Yeah, I was in
the city kicking it. You know what I'm saying. You
ain't been to the city in a minute, doll. It's turnt.
It's different, dog, you know what I'm saying. So got
the truth trivia. You know the man people, Baby, you
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know what I'm saying. What you think, what you think,
what you think of your boy?
Speaker 3 (41:19):
What?
Speaker 4 (41:19):
Man?
Speaker 3 (41:20):
That Boston love is just uncomparable, right, you know? And
the love like for me going back and having an
opportunity to go to the games and and taking it
all in when you was doing your thing out there,
it's a different feeling. And so I just know when
you go back there, it's like a second home and it's.
Speaker 4 (41:41):
Like you fit right in.
Speaker 1 (41:43):
I Mean.
Speaker 4 (41:43):
The one thing that you did.
Speaker 3 (41:45):
As as a as a player that I that I
respected is that you always ingratiated yourself with the veterans,
Jojo White, everybody. You as a guy like you always
had the time a lot of young player. When they
talk about the young players today, they don't respect the OG.
They don't respect him right now.
Speaker 2 (42:05):
But I come back, They're like, man, I'll let him
know the OG here. Man, it's love.
Speaker 1 (42:11):
But a lot of this generation, with the people in
the players in my past, I don't see a lot
of that right now, you know what I'm saying. I
saw that when I played, but like even right now,
and I don't know if there's a disconnect, But like, man,
I'll make sure I'm make it a point that I
come back. They can see my face in the summer,
stay in La man chopping up, holler at me. I'm
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out here. We're going to dinner, we can work out whatever,
you know. I make it a point to do that.
But a lot of franchises ain't got the history culture.
Speaker 4 (42:38):
Not the Celtics.
Speaker 2 (42:40):
I feel like it's the Celtics ain't got that culture.
Speaker 4 (42:43):
It's not the Celtic.
Speaker 1 (42:44):
Man. I had a chance to watch this Phoenix game
versus Celtics. No, they looking right, bro, And I'm telling you,
I'm telling you they if they win it, if they
win it this year, I think they gonna go down
as one of the greatest teams that ever been a symbol.
What you think, what you've been watching it? What you think? Uh,
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you know, you know what?
Speaker 2 (43:10):
I got something for it?
Speaker 3 (43:13):
Give me some facts, cause I mean it's so currently
right now. Are they gonna win seventy games?
Speaker 2 (43:20):
They're not gonna win seventy games?
Speaker 4 (43:21):
No, well, you're gonna.
Speaker 3 (43:23):
Win seventy To be in the conversation, right, I mean,
I would say, right what you said one of the greatest.
Speaker 4 (43:30):
You said the greatest are one of orr.
Speaker 1 (43:33):
They're not gonna win seventy games. But I will take
you they're on pace to be an historic team. Okay,
I'll tell you why. I wrote some things down for you.
They're number one in defensive efficiency right now, number one
in offensive efficiency currently, so they should end the season.
Speaker 2 (43:53):
About number one.
Speaker 1 (43:57):
They have eleven game lead on second place in the
Eastern Conference, three players at average twenty, top three in
net ratio all time, brother all time.
Speaker 4 (44:11):
Is that I'm not done more.
Speaker 2 (44:16):
Their top five all time in point differential.
Speaker 1 (44:22):
Currently atleven point five.
Speaker 2 (44:25):
Hey, let me tell you the other teams.
Speaker 1 (44:29):
That are ahead of them.
Speaker 2 (44:31):
You have the seventy two Lakers who won a title.
Speaker 1 (44:37):
You have the seventy one Bucks who also won a title,
and then number three, I mean, no big deal, the
seventy two and ten ninety six Bulls who won a title,
and then fourth is the two two thousand and sixteen
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to seventeen.
Speaker 2 (45:03):
Warriors who also won a title, and right behind them
are the Celtics, and saying that.
Speaker 1 (45:14):
It looks like I'll be hanging out on the dunk
boat this year, smoking a cigar, having some drinks. And
if you don't consider this one of the all time
teams if they win a title, and let me point
out the twenty eighteen we had a ten point point
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differential which had us in the top ten. This is scary,
that's all I'm saying. This is scary.
Speaker 2 (45:42):
And I know they ain't won it yet, but history
says they should win it. They should win it baring
any injuries or anything.
Speaker 1 (45:50):
So you know this year, but it is I got.
Speaker 4 (45:58):
I like the Celtic chances. I like the Celtic chances.
Speaker 1 (46:01):
Because I don't see none of these historic numbers on
the Denver side, and I know they're defending Chace.
Speaker 3 (46:07):
Denver is not after historic numbers. They have the best
player that that one of the best players we've ever seen, right,
But I like Boston chances. You know, but listen, if
you can't make the Dug boat, we can get a
boat out here at the marina. We can get a cigar,
we can hang out and we can just you know,
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we can. We can talk about it. We can have therapy.
Speaker 2 (46:33):
Celtics win. My peers feed go up. Well, look I'm
for it. Talk we'll talker.
Speaker 4 (46:41):
So you think this team is best, You think this
team is going than than the twenty eighteen right here,
you're gonna give them that.
Speaker 1 (46:52):
What's happening?
Speaker 3 (46:52):
You think this team is better than twenty eighteen that
won sixty six games? Will this team wins sixty six games?
Speaker 1 (46:57):
If they win sixty six games and base on the numbers,
that's a good game. That's a good game. I mean
the way the game is played now. But I will
tell you our death lineup of Rondo. No, this was
our death lineup Eddie House Posey. So look we're gonna
put Eddie House. We'll put him on Drew Holiday all right. Now,
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you got James Posey, We'll put him on Jaylen Brown,
Paul Pierce.
Speaker 2 (47:30):
Oh yeah, we can match up with Jason Tatum.
Speaker 1 (47:33):
And then Ray Allen.
Speaker 2 (47:35):
You know, we'll throw him on the white. We'll throw
him on white, then KG gonna match him with four.
Speaker 1 (47:42):
That's cod.
Speaker 4 (47:48):
You ain't guard nobody else out there running around like that.
Speaker 1 (47:50):
You act like KG ain't one of the greatest defenders
of all time. You can slidest feed, who can recover,
who can help recovery to the three?
Speaker 4 (47:59):
And then all time greats there's one player that's been
his like Kryptonite. Who was it?
Speaker 1 (48:06):
Who was it?
Speaker 2 (48:07):
Who was it?
Speaker 1 (48:08):
You know who it is?
Speaker 2 (48:08):
You know what I'm about to say, Who is this krypt.
Speaker 4 (48:16):
No, just that run around three is taking.
Speaker 1 (48:21):
And you all time great Come on, don't do that.
Don't do that.
Speaker 2 (48:27):
I like the Celtics.
Speaker 4 (48:29):
I like the Celtics.
Speaker 1 (48:30):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (48:31):
I'm looking forward to for them to to to put
it down this year they've been having I think they're
ready to go.
Speaker 4 (48:36):
I think they're mentally. I like I like them mentally.
Speaker 2 (48:38):
Did you hear that was sick matchups? Right?
Speaker 3 (48:43):
Eddie House and Drew Hollidays a wash? So I think
we're gonna go there a double team and play out.
No Eddie House, that's what that's not.
Speaker 4 (48:54):
That's just right there.
Speaker 1 (48:58):
White and Ray. Let's solid matchup to wash me and
tell them can wash where's the advantage at That's what
I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (49:08):
This is a battle that'll be a battle of the
yea like the two thousand.
Speaker 4 (49:12):
That's a great match toughness, mentality.
Speaker 1 (49:14):
But then we go to the bench, Rondo, Rondo, don't
even come off the bench. I'm just saying that matchup alone.
You can even say Rondo Drew. Yeah, you know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (49:28):
Ray No, I love that. I think great teams. We
just got to see Boston get it done this year.
Speaker 1 (49:37):
They get it done.
Speaker 2 (49:38):
It's gonna be I'm looking forward to it.
Speaker 3 (49:39):
I wouldn't bet against them, but if you told me, look,
you gotta put your money down, you can't be afraid.
I would just I just I'm just such a great joke.
He just nobody scares me like him in the in
the NBA.
Speaker 1 (49:56):
I love joker.
Speaker 4 (49:57):
I can't bet against him because.
Speaker 1 (49:59):
You rank him all time as far as sinners, it's
hard Like, uh man, I heard somebody say he's more
dominant than Shack rolling. Is he more dominant than that's tough?
Speaker 4 (50:13):
Tough?
Speaker 2 (50:14):
Oh that's a good Is he more dominant than Shack?
Speaker 4 (50:19):
He's he's more versative.
Speaker 1 (50:21):
No goddamn way is he more dominant than Shack. It
was easy, give me the ball and it's going to
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me the goddamn ball. It's in the hoop and let's
get back on deep. Do you agree that we're a
witnessing and we are taking an all time team? This
(50:44):
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time team. This probably if this team.
Speaker 4 (50:48):
They win this all time team.
Speaker 2 (50:50):
If they win it, they win the top five.
Speaker 4 (50:53):
They win it. I can say that they win it.
It's an all time team definitely.
Speaker 1 (50:57):
I mean top five, Yeah, I'll put them. They got great.
Speaker 3 (51:00):
Players on this team. You can't not get picking up porzingis.
I mean that was like it reminds me of when
the Lakers got Macado.
Speaker 4 (51:09):
It was like a cheat code.
Speaker 1 (51:11):
Man. People don't even people do ain't going that way back, bro,
People don't know. Come on, man, speak some names people.
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That's what I'm here for, to educate the people. Like
you said, that's what I'm here for.
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Everybody didn't watch Winning.
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Time, Bro, Well, you know, get your DV already.
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Speaker 2 (01:14):
I'm gonna tell you why I believe that Steph Curry.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Is the most influential on the on the court, not
saying influential off the court, not saying what he meant
to hip hop culture and culturally, but most influential on
the court basketball player ever. And I'm gonna tell you why.
Like you think it's somebody else saw good, saw good,
(01:41):
I can believe that, But I'm telling you he the
most influential basketball player. He influenced the game more than anybody.
And then we're gonna talk about my time in Boston.
Oh there, y'all go, oh, yeah, we're gonna talk about
my time in Boston. Man, we got a lot to
talk about it. Truth Flounder is going. Damn man, you
got to hear what this. This dude gotta say. I
(02:03):
can't believe what he talking about. This is crazy hard everybody.
It's a lot going on. The NA tournament that started.
I'm back on Undisputed, so make sure y'all tune in.
But yesterday, oh and by the way, welcome to the
Truth Floune. But yesterday I was on the show and
(02:26):
I was talking about I got a lot of flak
from everybody, and I was saying that Curry is the
most influential basketball player, which I meant influence on the
game of basketball, over Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, Lebron James.
And now we go just talk about that. Got Jay
(02:48):
Crow in the house once again. So this is something
I want to go on to further detail and talk about.
So buckle up your seatbelt, and I want to hear
what my man got to say about this, cause we
was talking about this shooting pool. So we're gonna die
right into this. So Jay your thoughts because I'm all right,
(03:10):
let me spill mine. This is what was said. I
said he had the biggest influence on the game of
basketball because of the way everybody played right now, everybody
trying to emulate him at the guard. Everybody feel like
I can get to the league if I can make
threes from deep. And now I see it in that
you a coach, you see it in the AU circuit,
(03:31):
you see it in high school, you see it in college.
Every time down the guard is just saying I can
if I can make these threes or three is better
than two. And I feel like Curry got a lot
to do with it, because temps attempts are way up.
Nobody was shooting from half court from logo before Steph.
(03:53):
So you're trying to tell me he didn't influence the game.
When I go to the to the pickup games, everybody
wants everybody they can shoot threes.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
When I when I look.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
At the games night in and night out, everybody's emulating,
you know, not only because of Steph, but I think
Golden State did this too. It's a combination of Steph
and the Golden State Warriors to where they showed you
that you can win a championship shoot threes. They showed
you Steph showed you can win the m v P
(04:24):
being a three point shooter, and we've never seen that
before where a guy who shot most of his attempts
from three be so dominant. So what's your thought on
that his influence? His influence on the game is greater.
And I want you to tell me why, because I
just feel like Steph is like all I do is
go to the gym and shoot threes.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
Now, well, first I listened, this ain't no interview all that.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Well you know, all Ship, I'll talk to me, will
you know, I don't want to hear that all. Let's
have a discussion. We was inside don't want to.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
But what I'm saying is that you're talking about you
go to the gym. You know, of course the old
man can't drive the ball. They fired up wild threes.
That's just number.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
One, the forty over leave everybody, the forty and overs.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
Everybody fired up threes. This is my thing on that.
Let's give Steph his credit, but this is my thing.
Steve Kerr, he was an executive under d'An TONI I
give D'Antoni more credit than Steve than this. Stephen Curry
would bringing in this style or this.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Mentality I'm talking about step influences.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
Okay, well let me can I say what I got
to say?
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Ah, it makes sense.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
I would make it make sense for you.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
So I'm giving D'Antoni the credit, but I'm saying that
when Steve Kerr came over, he changed the way Steph
Curry played. And now only did he have Steph Curry,
he had his brother other mister Splash Klay Thompson. So yes,
I look at both of those guys who fired threes uncanny, relentless,
(06:04):
as guys.
Speaker 4 (06:05):
Who are two of the greatest shooters of all.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Time who took what d'An TONI brought from Europe to
the NBA. But when I think about the most influential
on the court, I think about Jordan, because first of all,
Lebron came in the league wearing wearing his jersey cap,
but also he influenced somebody else to be a goat.
(06:32):
When you think about Jordan, there's so many videos of
Kobe mimicking Jordan cats kets.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Was it like I could be Jordan's first You have
to be able to dune from free throw.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
You have to be able to.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
Every night, come on, everybody.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
You have to be six to six. He influenced.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
No, you look at all these things that's going against
you wanting to be Jordan's sixty six, dufferent free.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Throw, pall the ball, tongue out swat.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Curry is sixty three. He blends in in the crowd.
He walking to New York Street. He can blend in
the like I could be him.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Just because you six three, you feel like I could
be him? Though, who's playing more? Who's playing like?
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Follow him more?
Speaker 2 (07:18):
He gonna influence me like Curry? Who plays like Curry?
Speaker 3 (07:21):
Yeah, influence wasn't just the style of play, It was
the relentlessness.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
It was the it was a swag.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
It was the wearing different like wristbands here, but also
having that aggressive nature to go though.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Yeah, influenced style of play more.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
That's what the coaching of Dan Tony influenced this whole
style of play. I don't believe nobody plays like Steph
Curry in the NBA but him. Trey Young doesn't play
like Steph Curry. To me, Dounky doesn't play like you have.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
To you have to make an NBA comparison to Trey Young.
Who would it be?
Speaker 4 (07:57):
Well, Steph Curry never got this assist ever in his
career like Trey Young. So what he did he.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
Took the Isaiah style and moved it out to the
three because this is the range.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
That now you say Trey Young play like Isaiah.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
No, he took the Isaiah style, but he moved it.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
Out to see Kobe plays like Jordan. What does Trey
Young emulate?
Speaker 4 (08:15):
He does not play like Steph Curry.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Who does he emulate?
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Bro?
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Who does Dame Lillard emulate Dame Lillard? Yeah, that's Steph Curry.
That's the Steph Curry effect.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
Brote Curry.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
He doesn't shoot him like the way Steph Curry shoots him.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
Nobody was shooting Steph Curry's influential consistently.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
I can't Steph Curry, Well, I don't remember.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
I don't remember nobody shooting from the logo before Steph
Curry just consistent like I'm gonna come in and pull
this at the shock.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
I ain't want it down in Church Lee.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Man, Nobody, nobody was influenced by that. Now, I'm talking
about overall his.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
His was shooting from the logo.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
Now, Trey Young and Lebron James, who.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
Else, Luca Dowkins, Luca and Lily so like. So it's
four than fifty people in the league. So we're saying
like six people. So we're saying, like, let me Jordan poole, Okay,
six people?
Speaker 1 (09:18):
All right? How many more?
Speaker 2 (09:19):
How many cats was dunking? Put their tongue out?
Speaker 3 (09:22):
All the athletes Jordan influenced because that was the whole thing.
Remember the game went to an athletic driving game. You
have people that didn't fit the bill, but they was
trying to find guys who can play like Jordan. In
that time, the game has.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Evolved from I can wear your shoes, or I can
dress like you, or I can wear my guard.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Like Jordan bro all the that position.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
He can influenced the position like Steph Curry is a
unique position because we don't know if he's a point,
he's a two, He's this, that and the other.
Speaker 4 (09:57):
Jordan is the shooting guard. He defines the position.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
He made everybody else want to play like him, whether
you can jump that high or not.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Influenced more players than Jordan, because people could be Jordan.
But people said, all right, now I can be a
point forward. I could be a point forwardated Scottie H.
Grant Hill, you were Steve Smith like he like, people
(10:27):
said I could be the point forward now, Lebron James,
he was no, he wore twenty three. But I'm saying
I'm playing saying playstyle. Pipping changed the game more than Jordan.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
Well, listen, I like pipping because I realized, like I
played with you, know why you be like you know
why you you know why you say pipping. I get
pipping credit because I played with you in high school. Right,
I saw how good you was. I better slide the
number two. So Jordan saw Pippin, and he and Pippin
saw Jordan knew.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
Jordan, let me help Jordan influenced the culture. Kobe influenced
the culture. Lebron Jordan's burn like this Kobe? Who was
who emulated Kobe? When you after Kobe? Who you listen?
Speaker 2 (11:16):
Who? Who?
Speaker 3 (11:17):
Where's the goat that that? So, where's the goat that
Steph influenced. Jordan made us another goat. He was so
great that Kobe said, let me follow this blueprint to
be a goat.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
That ain't gonna be nobody gonna follow that. So, yeah,
that's the influence. Because nobody can.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Copy this exactly, so you can't have if Jordan got copied.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
He made my point.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
The Jordan got co This is what I'm talking about.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
Listen, when you have these discussions, you feelie, you just
keep talking.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
And then evidence revealed himself.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
You know what he said.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
He said, Jordan's got copied.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Because nobody's gonna be able to copy.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
Not excuses, nobody will be able to copy. Steph no
influence compared to Jordan. Jordan made us another goat. Think
about that.
Speaker 4 (12:12):
Jordan made us a goat. He showed us.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
We thought that was impossible though that should have been impossible.
Speaker 4 (12:18):
Just like.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
We're never gonna see another shock. We're never gonna see
another shock.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
Well, you gotta be seven feet and big and exactly.
Shack is unique, but Jordan's.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
It's gonna be more.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
Jordan thought you could be be more people six to
six because when Steph, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
I ain't saying when you were a kid, you don't know.
I taught you're gonna be who your.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
Son like me?
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Steph Curry, Steph you crazy.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
Steph the coaster, you know, Steph Curry running around, He
off the.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
Ball, cracking now here on the ball.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
Check Listen, I'm a two time m v P in
Europe two thousand and three. All right, Ukraine, b c
if he didn't in Ukraine and the region. All right,
he's seen the film, he's read the articles pandemic.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
He read you ain't got no v CR bro we.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Got can be converted to.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
D v D.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
No more d v D.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
I have d v ds at all.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
I didn't even make DVDs. No more, I got dv
watching that. He's watching digital Listen, he watching step.
Speaker 4 (13:24):
He watched men. Nah, we'll have him on the show, y'all.
You'll tell he play like.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
Who you play like your dad or Steph?
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Right now, you don't play like Steph, who you worked.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
Out with this summer Georgian pool or you did who
Georgie Poole played like? Who you trying to play? Oh?
Steph Curry, there we go, There we.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
Go, plays like me. He's a better point guard more.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Let's call let's call J two. Let's ask him. All right,
he plays like you. All right, let's call J two.
Speaker 4 (13:55):
He's gonna he answer from whoever. He's a kid. He
let's see, all right, let me talking what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
I want to speaker. I want to ask the question.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
Here we go. Let's turn the volume up, raw, authentic
J two? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (14:13):
Who people who? People say you play like if it
was one comparison to you.
Speaker 4 (14:20):
Do you pay like? Do you put like your daughter? Like?
Speaker 2 (14:24):
If people come and watch you play? What that what
that be saying?
Speaker 1 (14:26):
You play like.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
B G.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
Beddy Jennings.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Tough crowd that Steph Curry?
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Nah, come on, man, come on, come on.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Because he's left handed.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
That's why you get all right, all right?
Speaker 2 (14:41):
You play closer to your dad or Steph Curry.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
Like my dad. There we go, all right, good, looks
my god, there we go. That's what I'm saying. It's
fluence dog my dad.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
He don't play like stuff.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
He just said it, Steph Is he just said it.
Speaker 4 (15:05):
I'm his coach.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
He said, he's just He's just a kid.
Speaker 4 (15:09):
He's just a kid.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
He's he's just a kid.
Speaker 4 (15:13):
What he said, he said, you played step He said no.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
If you ask him Steph more like Steph or your dad.
Of course he's gonna say the one hundred million dollar player.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
No, no.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
If somebody watching like my dad, no no, my dad
was called.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
That was he don't play like stuff. He don't play.
He don't run around and shoot like that. You don't
do that.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
I got Steph the most influential as far as emulating
playing like he got Jordan's. Let me hear in the comments,
who you got. I'm just saying, though, dude, change the game.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
He changed. How many people do we say he changed
the game?
Speaker 4 (15:55):
Jordan's Steph changed the game. I heard the start of
money when they.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
Changed the game. Listen, Lebron got.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
Just because Lebron said it, don't mean that it's true. Listen,
I'm a historian of this game. So I'm going with Dan.
Tony brought in the three point shooting, right, and let's.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
Go research in three point shooting.
Speaker 4 (16:18):
The coaching style, the coach has to let you do it.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
If that's the case, then we played that style back
in two thousand and two with coach O'Brien.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
We brought that style in. But the Celtics, look it up,
y'all was jacket.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
We had the small We have to we have to.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
Stretch shooting for No y'all was trying to shoot.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
We were shooting threes, y'all playing win, you know what
I'm saying. As a team though, as a team we
brought small ball. We had to stress shooting for So
don't save that, Tony, because the style. And then if
you go back and look at our championship team, our
best lineup was Eddie House, Ray Allen Me, James Posey,
(16:57):
four three point shooters, and KG.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
And I'm listen.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
So that style of play a thousand threes. Nobody average
twelve threes.
Speaker 4 (17:08):
He said.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
So Steph is credited with changing the game. So I
never heard nobody say that about Jordan. Jordan the goat,
bron the goat he birthed.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
People will say about they.
Speaker 4 (17:22):
Birthed the goal.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
When you put a goat, when you have another goat
that plays your exact style. That is the greatest influence
because you create your style was so good, you created
another guy who's arguably a.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Goal James Harden got more influence than Curry.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
No, then a lot of these cats, how many now
everybody doing the step back?
Speaker 4 (17:47):
I thought you did the step back?
Speaker 1 (17:49):
I did?
Speaker 4 (17:49):
So who gets to James Hardener?
Speaker 2 (17:50):
You I'm the Yoda in all of this? So would
you be one?
Speaker 1 (17:56):
Yeah, but that was I was the first one to
make that my goal to move James Harden in the
social media error he started doing it. Now, if you
ain't got a step back in your game, you can't
playing the league. So now I give I'm gonna name
other players that have more influence man New Genova, le
(18:17):
do you if you ain't got Euro right now, if
you ain't got Euro right now, you can't play in
the league. You fighting that. So if we say influence
on I'm talking about not off the court. And that's
what y'all gotta understand, fans, I'm not talking about off
the court. Influence on the court influence step James Harden,
(18:42):
man New Genobiy, they got more influence on the game
of basketball than Jordan, Kobe and Lebron, think about that
if you ain't got a Euro step man, When Genomi
came in doing that, and I know other players was
doing that, Marcehalonis, you know these othering else was doing it.
But when you was doing it and he was doing
it in the finals, on the big stage and all
(19:05):
of that, that's when people really saw it. Then d
Wade came with his You saw d Wade boom then
now not the whole league doing it.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
I like that, So I like you influences them.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
Cats right there, got more influence than the top guys
that ever played the game.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
From Jordan genobly, genobally, Jesus, this guy's reaching.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
No, no, I'm a name five guys that might have
more influence. Listen to this.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
Listen to this, though, I want you to have more
influence than Jordan's.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
Jeff, you think about this.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
My name four or five players that Roy Williams.
Speaker 4 (19:44):
Roy Williams, I'm sorry, I apologize.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Listen, Listen to what I'm saying. You just hearing you,
hearing the names.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
Appreciate everything you've done, Roy Williams. Listen, everything you've done
has been amazing.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
Listen, listen, listen to what I'm saying, everybody listens to it.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
I heard you say have more influence than George.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
I want to tell you four more, four players that
have more influence on just the game and how we
play the game, on how we played again, listen to
what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Don't react because I'm listening.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
Nobody Curry, I love you, you know, I know love Nobody.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
James Harden, Whiskey.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
I saw the whiskey.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
So you're telling me I would give dry No, I'm
gonna put Dark and the Whiskey over Steph Curry over impact. Yes,
let's do that. I'm going with Dark, No Whiskey. Whatever
you want to say about Jordan, I'm going with Jordan
over everybody. But I'm gonna go with Durk and No
Whiskey over Steph Curry because now the advent of the
three point shot in the stretch forward and his impact
(20:50):
on the game is greater than and then greater than
Steph Curry. There's no there's nobody that plays.
Speaker 4 (20:56):
Like Steph Curry.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
There's a lot of people that have tried to play
like Durton No Whiskey in terms of spacing the floor
and trying to get the big man out and being
able to shoot.
Speaker 4 (21:05):
The three like that.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
When we saw when we saw Durton Nowhisky play at
the Nike Hoops Summit, it we knew that that was
a different player, right and that and that player has
changed the way that we play today.
Speaker 4 (21:18):
So that's that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
I'm saying that the greatest influence on the game is
the European style, and Steph Curry's skill set is a
great He has a great skill set to the European
style because the European style is positionless. You do, that's
where the positionless basketball comes from because they have multiple
players playing in different spots that we didn't play with.
Speaker 4 (21:43):
You know, if you was.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
A big man, you set the down screen, you dove period,
you didn't pop, you didn't do all that kind.
Speaker 4 (21:49):
Of stuff that we played double headed bigs.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
European they played with space, they played with cuts, they
played with driving lanes. That's their style. You want to
talk during no whiskey over Steph. That's a great one, Pete.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
All right, so now let's go to if you want
to talk about basketball culture.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
Okay, I give you Jordan, I give you Alan Iverson.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
It's Jordan. I get culture, money, game style. It is
Michael No, all of it, all of it. He's over Irison.
They said to say Iverson changed the game.
Speaker 4 (22:29):
Look, I give Iverson made corn rows non gangster.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
I give him that, all right. And he made tattoos.
He didn't do that. He made tattoos cool because Deennis
Robin didn't make tattoos cool.
Speaker 4 (22:42):
It was just Dennis Robins. So Coach Lee, I'm still
giving Jordan.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
Jordan had everybody wearing knee braces with no knee injuries.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
I got that now. So that's a different topic. But
as far as how you play the.
Speaker 4 (22:56):
Game, dur now whiskey. Now, I'm gonna go with Dirk.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Steph.
Speaker 4 (23:01):
It's Steph out of there.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
Everybody got nobody play like Jordan.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
Everybody, everybody got a euro step everybody want to be
a stretch for now.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
So I mean, you gotta think about what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (23:13):
No, I like it.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
You said Dirk, and that was a great one because
I think now that you say that, you gotta.
Speaker 4 (23:19):
Put Dirk over Steph.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
Dog because you got no, no, you got you gotta
put Dirk over him because you look at the influence
on the game. Kat Williams, I mean Cat. I said,
Cat Williams, my fault. Cat Williams in the news so much.
I mean Anthony town right. But the fourth position now
from Robin Lopez. Everybody wiskey. So that's the.
Speaker 4 (23:43):
Greatest impact because it's.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
More people that play like Dirk than play then try
to play like Dirk, then run around shooting them crazy
threes like Steph, like like the Steph is the greatest
in that role. But but I don't think he influenced
as many players to play like him because I don't
think nobody can play like him.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
We got March Madness going on, crazy buzzer beaters. But
what came to my mind? Man has had me thinking,
who you think got the sickest buzzer beater all time
in the NBA? And I'm talking about the sickest buzzer beater?
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No time on the clock.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
It's soft, let's go home.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
And I just was thinking in my mind, I was thinking, like, damn,
it's a couple that come to mind. I ain't gonna
even lie because there's a lot of cast that got
zero point one two seconds on the clock, zero point eight,
no time on the clock. Who you think got the
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sickest buzzer beater all time time in the league, all time.
I'm gonna tell you mine, though, hold on, hold on,
let me get mine though. It's Kawhi Leonard versus six Ers.
You know why because look, he hits you series over.
I've seen him. I've seen the motherfucker cry after and
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it propelled them to the chip. Like it don't get
no better than that. Because if you don't make this
shot over time, time sign time. You know you go
over time, you never know what can happen. And I
ain't never seen this type of emotion out of Kawhi
because think about that, you missed that shot. History change
so and you put you put a motherfucker out the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (25:43):
Yeah, I like that one out the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
Ain't tomorrow, man, I see m I ain't gonna say
no names, but somebody cried after that though.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
Yeah, that was a heartbreaker.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
A heartbreaks gotta be the most heartbreaking thing to get
hit at the buzzer. And this is nothing you can do.
You gotta go home and all you think about you
might not even go outside no more. You might even
go outside that summer because I think about like losing
in the playoffs, it's a lot of summers. I didn't
go outside and I didn't get hit like that. But
if you get here at the buzzer to end the series,
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Oh man, that's cold blooded. So who you think? Because
I got something that come to mind outside of Kawhi,
but I put Kawhi up there.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Yeah, I like that coldest one.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
I like that one to.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Send somebody home zero on the clock. You in the
locker room, you might be in your jerseys for the
next hour. You might not even shower, you might just
you might just go home in your jersey.
Speaker 4 (26:40):
Yeah, I like that one.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
I like that you think, who you think? Who you
got for me?
Speaker 4 (26:45):
I'm gonna go with I'm gonna go with this one.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
What's that?
Speaker 4 (26:53):
What you just did that? Lillard?
Speaker 2 (26:56):
He did this?
Speaker 4 (26:57):
Yeah, good night? Oh damon Lillard.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
On PG because it was so much back and forth
as trash talk. So then he sent them home with
a buzzer beater and PG face hit him with the
nice and the and the after reaction. For me, I
like your three interview as the best respect because now
that's gonna go on. No, because you hear that going
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on from that's that's the biggest catchphrase. Yeah, I call game.
So you banked it in so I but it was killer.
But I'm gonna go with I'm gonna go with Damon
Lillard because of the stakes, because if I can put
myself in, who would I want to do? I would
love to be talking trash.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
No, no, no, I ain't gonna lie. That was cold because
you know why, because Damon hit. I ain't never seen no, no, listen,
I didn't hit a lot of buzzer beaters, you know,
in my life. And I'm emotional. I have never seen
nobody hit a buzzer beater to send you home. And
then look at the camera.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
Like yeah, he looked like he hadn't know he was
a killer. He did his job, looked like what's that
movie with Tom killing everybody?
Speaker 2 (28:20):
He gave y'all the Godfather like it was he was.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
You know, I thought it was like when the Godfather
about the off somebody and hit you with them. He
just looked like.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
He had the Godfather looked like he's used to murder
Jesus that.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
Might have been with that look, with that ever seen
for somebody to wear at the buzzer and send somebody on.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
How you can not get emotional after that? Because You're like,
I do this.
Speaker 4 (28:51):
Yeah, that, I mean, that's iconic. So I'm gonna go
with that.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
But look they're all diving on them, they all.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
He looking him like that was crazy. All right? You
know what that was cold? You cold that you got
He not only got one, but two. I can't forget
about Jordan versus Calves. You don't make that cold too.
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That it was there was down one, so degree of
the pressure of that is even greater.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
So the other two. We talked about it.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
And it was a breakthrough. It was a breakthrough. It
was a breakthrough still for the for the Bulls Jordan era.
That was a big breakthrough to get that series.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
Just just he misses, then they go home. If Lillard
miss his, they go overtime. If Kawhi miss his, at
least is overtime. If Jordan miss his, they go whold.
That's what's so cold about it. Damn Jordan gotta.
Speaker 4 (29:55):
Be a damn Jordan's you know what I mean? Jordan's
no for me, and.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
I got kawhis because they they propelled him to the
championship and they won the chip that year. The other
cats Jordan Lillard, next round, they got hit, kah went
all the way and finished the job. So that's what
made that shot way more special. That's gonna be on
the whole championship tape. You know what I'm saying, that's
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gonna be. That's gonna be. That's gonna be on the
whole tape.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
Kawhi shot was shot was you know what I mean,
kind of considered a lucky shot though.
Speaker 4 (30:32):
It touched every part of the realm.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Like you act like you can't shoot killing that game? No, no, no,
that's a lucky shot. My bank shot was luck. To right,
that was luck, Like I never did that.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
Yeah, did you call? I called game? He asked you
did you call glass?
Speaker 1 (30:57):
I called you? Was offended, you, Kawhi should be offended
that he went to his spot shot the fatal way.
That's not as much at it.
Speaker 4 (31:07):
He threw up.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
He was like he was sitting there begging, oh Willie.
He was sitting there, will it please?
Speaker 4 (31:17):
Will it? Oh? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (31:19):
Leonard looked like Leonard looked like you guard me like this,
You don't know I got this deep range.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
Just sit it.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
I'm chilling. Paul George sitting there in the stance looking
are you looking?
Speaker 1 (31:29):
And Paul George it was like it was like it
was like a he shot it and knew he was
gonna make it.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
He looked like, what are you? Are you stupid?
Speaker 1 (31:38):
What about John Stocking over over Houston? See this is
the historical history of the game. That was the end
of the series that broke my heart.
Speaker 4 (31:45):
I'm not gonna I was.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
I was for Barkley. I wanted to breakthrough. Yeah, I
wanted him to break through. They was winning the series.
I remember that series. He came down.
Speaker 4 (31:54):
Stocking was phenomenal in the fourth quarter, hit the three pointer.
It's over.
Speaker 3 (31:57):
So I respect that shot, But I just think Lillard
because it was so much banter going through because in
this new era, it was a lot of media banter
that we didn't have in the game. Back then, it
was like a real like almost you felt like it
was like a real hatred. And then for you to
have an opportunity to kill your prey and then look
at him.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
What's the most heart All right, let's pick a shot.
What's the most heartbreaking shot in NBA to you in
NBA history? Heartbreaking heart It don't have to be. It
could be last minute with a couple of seconds on
the clock. It don't have to be zero this time heartbreaking, Like, damn.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
That's hit.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
I'm trying to think that's I mean, I gotta really think.
I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (32:44):
That's tough. You gotta coime me some opportunities.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
Damn. Like you as a fan and you watched it
and you you kind of crumbled.
Speaker 4 (32:52):
Can I just say something? What I will say?
Speaker 3 (32:56):
I don't know if this is the in my lifetime
of watching the aim. When ron Our Test made that three,
I just knew.
Speaker 4 (33:04):
I felt it was a broken and then yeah, it canceled.
All we had party plans at the Beverly Wheelship. Everything
was canceled.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
That's crazy.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Everything was crazy.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
That's wow. You said heartbreaking.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
I mean I'm thinking about something I can because I
was thinking about the after party and we had everything
set up.
Speaker 4 (33:27):
It was game seven, so now don't know this.
Speaker 3 (33:34):
We had the party, had the party was canceled, and
I knew when Ronald.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
Test made that shot, I was like, oh come on.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
Listen, don listen. First of all, called me on the
left wing. It's crucial, ron Who you rather hit the shot,
ron Meta or ray on him? I'm in help, Like
leave him open, that's cold, leave him open. If he
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hit this hat off. Y'all got it. So I'm in
health position and he kick it to dude and I
challenged late when he hit that. Bro, Yeah, I can't
believe you brought that.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
Yeah, that's crazy, Like you said, crazy, Drake.
Speaker 4 (34:18):
You got a new song, Drake.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
Man about something.
Speaker 4 (34:21):
Last week?
Speaker 1 (34:22):
Man, we was in Boston. Man, we had a chance
to get out to some fans. We had a chance
to go to the game. We watched the Phoenix game
and everything, man, so you know, check this real out.
We had a chance to talk to some fans, gave
away some jerseys, got to the city. It was nothing
but love. You know, when I come to the city
is love. Check it out. I'm giving away and signed
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autograph jersey some truth trivia.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
All you gotta do is answer the question.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
I signed an autograph jersey with Surets and named one
of my teammates what year it's Larry verd Born.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
Who goes to Old eight Celtics.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
Got rivers there you go. So check this out right
here Union Oyster House. And while we're here, we're gonna
do a clam chowder review. All right, We're gonna go
start off with smell, Smell, Smell, smell. Okay, pass it
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the smell test. Oh yeah, I got the contato. I
got the clamb in there. New York Oyster House is
a five star clam chowder. No doubt.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
Truth is truth, Uman.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
You my boy, But this is Boston, and I didn't
make this sure, Bady. Let's go. Let's go, Yo, It's
(36:10):
been an amazing day. This is what it's like hanging
with the Troop on game day. We had a chance
to interact with some fans, gave away some jerseys. We
was out in the streets. We came to the gang,
got the w Most importantly, Yo, this is the truth
experience here in Boston. They don't get no better than this.
Out before at the old Facila, we just had little,
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small pictures. Now it's grew into this. You're not only
coming into a practicing arena. You're coming into like an
actual museum service to others. Is the rig you made
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your room here on the.
Speaker 5 (37:20):
Everything we've done is kind of built on the back
of like all you guys have to go all the
way back to Russell and Red, all the way through
to you and Kevin and Ray and Rondo and those teams.
And yeah, I mean that's what's great and everything we
try to do is you know, like around here is
a tribute to the the guys who came before, the
people who built this.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
When you go to a museum and you look at
certain things, that's what our practice facility is like. It's
because there's history in here, and there's other practices they
don't have no history. So that's what it is in Boston,
in the garden and in our practice facility. You see
the old pictures, just like you see the old dinosaur bones,
you see you see the banners, just like you see
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the hieroglyphics. It's a museum.
Speaker 5 (38:04):
No one has that history. And yeah, it's what makes
the Celtics the Celtics, and we always you know, you
can we have a marketing tagline this year. You know
it's different here. Yeah, it is different here, and that's
a big part of what makes it different. It's like
the guys who came before, the people who built this,
all the great players, the Hall of famers, people like
yourself who won championships here. It's been such a treat
(38:26):
to have him involved with the team. It's great for
him to come in here spend time with our guys,
particularly the time you spent this summer with you know,
with JT and others. It's been really cool to see
that connection coming back because again, that's what makes the
Celtics the Celtics. It's the greats who played before, you know,
passing the baton to the players of today. And so
it's been really neat to help Paul around, to help
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us with that.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
You got to pass it down like it was passed
to me. You got to continue to do that. So
I want them to see that, so when they're long
gone and the next generation of Celtics come in, they
can do the same thing.
Speaker 5 (39:00):
It's all grown up now, thank you.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
It's just always good to get back and and golf
myself amongst the Celtic culture. Enjoy going to the games,
enjoy watching practice because of the forefathers before me did
the same thing, and I just try to keep the tradition.
Speaker 4 (39:21):
Man.
Speaker 1 (39:22):
You know, this is a little being a Celtic is
all about. Because if the younger generation don't see this,
it won't continue. I'm glad we had to capture some stuff,
you know, because every time I come to Boston, I'm
amongst the people. I'm a man of the people and
everybody knows this, and so just to capture so people
can really see it. This is what I've always done
since being retired, getting out in the community, showing love
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to the fans because they always show love to me.
Speaker 6 (39:48):
I compete against Paul a long time ago, a long
long time ago when I was playing with Milwaukee Bucks.
He was a member of the course, the Boss of Celtic,
So our competitive nature just drew us to get that.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
You know, he went to win.
Speaker 6 (40:01):
I knew that, and he knew I wanted to win,
and we just competed against each other. So when I
became a part of the Boss of Celtics in two
thousand and eight, I think I came here like in February.
Speaker 1 (40:11):
He opened.
Speaker 6 (40:12):
He welcomed me with open arms and with Kevin Garnett
was the former teammate of Minds and Ray Allen was
the former team date of mind So I basically knew.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
A lot of guys on the team before I got here.
Fast forward fifteen years later. Sixteen years later, Man, it's
the brotherhood we have.
Speaker 6 (40:30):
We did something special together winning an NBA championship, bringing
Band of seventeen back to Boston.
Speaker 1 (40:40):
This one took a lot of blood, swim tears out
of me. Boy, two ten hard years. Should have had
a second one.
Speaker 4 (40:49):
Oh man.
Speaker 1 (40:53):
Sorry, I'm gonna cherish this one though. It's like you
only got one. Okay, there's people that ain't got none.
I'll take it. I'll take it. Yeah, I was in
the city kicking it. You know what I'm saying. You
ain't been to the city in a minute, doll. It's turnt.
It's different, dog, you know what I'm saying. So got
the truth trivia. You know the man people, Baby, you
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know what I'm saying. What you think, what you think,
what you think of your boy?
Speaker 3 (41:19):
What?
Speaker 4 (41:19):
Man?
Speaker 3 (41:20):
That Boston love is just uncomparable, right, you know? And
the love like for me going back and having an
opportunity to go to the games and and taking it
all in when you was doing your thing out there,
it's a different feeling. And so I just know when
you go back there, it's like a second home and it's.
Speaker 4 (41:41):
Like you fit right in.
Speaker 1 (41:43):
I Mean.
Speaker 4 (41:43):
The one thing that you did.
Speaker 3 (41:45):
As as a as a player that I that I
respected is that you always ingratiated yourself with the veterans,
Jojo White, everybody. You as a guy like you always
had the time a lot of young player. When they
talk about the young players today, they don't respect the OG.
They don't respect him right now.
Speaker 2 (42:05):
But I come back, They're like, man, I'll let him
know the OG here. Man, it's love.
Speaker 1 (42:11):
But a lot of this generation, with the people in
the players in my past, I don't see a lot
of that right now, you know what I'm saying. I
saw that when I played, but like even right now,
and I don't know if there's a disconnect, But like, man,
I'll make sure I'm make it a point that I
come back. They can see my face in the summer,
stay in La man chopping up, holler at me. I'm
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out here. We're going to dinner, we can work out whatever,
you know. I make it a point to do that.
But a lot of franchises ain't got the history culture.
Speaker 4 (42:38):
Not the Celtics.
Speaker 2 (42:40):
I feel like it's the Celtics ain't got that culture.
Speaker 4 (42:43):
It's not the Celtic.
Speaker 1 (42:44):
Man. I had a chance to watch this Phoenix game
versus Celtics. No, they looking right, bro, And I'm telling you,
I'm telling you they if they win it, if they
win it this year, I think they gonna go down
as one of the greatest teams that ever been a symbol.
What you think, what you've been watching it? What you think? Uh,
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you know, you know what?
Speaker 2 (43:10):
I got something for it?
Speaker 3 (43:13):
Give me some facts, cause I mean it's so currently
right now. Are they gonna win seventy games?
Speaker 2 (43:20):
They're not gonna win seventy games?
Speaker 4 (43:21):
No, well, you're gonna.
Speaker 3 (43:23):
Win seventy To be in the conversation, right, I mean,
I would say, right what you said one of the greatest.
Speaker 4 (43:30):
You said the greatest are one of orr.
Speaker 1 (43:33):
They're not gonna win seventy games. But I will take
you they're on pace to be an historic team. Okay,
I'll tell you why. I wrote some things down for you.
They're number one in defensive efficiency right now, number one
in offensive efficiency currently, so they should end the season.
Speaker 2 (43:53):
About number one.
Speaker 1 (43:57):
They have eleven game lead on second place in the
Eastern Conference, three players at average twenty, top three in
net ratio all time, brother all time.
Speaker 4 (44:11):
Is that I'm not done more.
Speaker 2 (44:16):
Their top five all time in point differential.
Speaker 1 (44:22):
Currently atleven point five.
Speaker 2 (44:25):
Hey, let me tell you the other teams.
Speaker 1 (44:29):
That are ahead of them.
Speaker 2 (44:31):
You have the seventy two Lakers who won a title.
Speaker 1 (44:37):
You have the seventy one Bucks who also won a title,
and then number three, I mean, no big deal, the
seventy two and ten ninety six Bulls who won a title,
and then fourth is the two two thousand and sixteen
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to seventeen.
Speaker 2 (45:03):
Warriors who also won a title, and right behind them
are the Celtics, and saying that.
Speaker 1 (45:14):
It looks like I'll be hanging out on the dunk
boat this year, smoking a cigar, having some drinks. And
if you don't consider this one of the all time
teams if they win a title, and let me point
out the twenty eighteen we had a ten point point
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differential which had us in the top ten. This is scary,
that's all I'm saying. This is scary.
Speaker 2 (45:42):
And I know they ain't won it yet, but history
says they should win it. They should win it baring
any injuries or anything.
Speaker 1 (45:50):
So you know this year, but it is I got.
Speaker 4 (45:58):
I like the Celtic chances. I like the Celtic chances.
Speaker 1 (46:01):
Because I don't see none of these historic numbers on
the Denver side, and I know they're defending Chace.
Speaker 3 (46:07):
Denver is not after historic numbers. They have the best
player that that one of the best players we've ever seen, right,
But I like Boston chances. You know, but listen, if
you can't make the Dug boat, we can get a
boat out here at the marina. We can get a cigar,
we can hang out and we can just you know,
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we can. We can talk about it. We can have therapy.
Speaker 2 (46:33):
Celtics win. My peers feed go up. Well, look I'm
for it. Talk we'll talker.
Speaker 4 (46:41):
So you think this team is best, You think this
team is going than than the twenty eighteen right here,
you're gonna give them that.
Speaker 1 (46:52):
What's happening?
Speaker 3 (46:52):
You think this team is better than twenty eighteen that
won sixty six games? Will this team wins sixty six games?
Speaker 1 (46:57):
If they win sixty six games and base on the numbers,
that's a good game. That's a good game. I mean
the way the game is played now. But I will
tell you our death lineup of Rondo. No, this was
our death lineup Eddie House Posey. So look we're gonna
put Eddie House. We'll put him on Drew Holiday all right. Now,
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you got James Posey, We'll put him on Jaylen Brown,
Paul Pierce.
Speaker 2 (47:30):
Oh yeah, we can match up with Jason Tatum.
Speaker 1 (47:33):
And then Ray Allen.
Speaker 2 (47:35):
You know, we'll throw him on the white. We'll throw
him on white, then KG gonna match him with four.
Speaker 1 (47:42):
That's cod.
Speaker 4 (47:48):
You ain't guard nobody else out there running around like that.
Speaker 1 (47:50):
You act like KG ain't one of the greatest defenders
of all time. You can slidest feed, who can recover,
who can help recovery to the three?
Speaker 4 (47:59):
And then all time greats there's one player that's been
his like Kryptonite. Who was it?
Speaker 1 (48:06):
Who was it?
Speaker 2 (48:07):
Who was it?
Speaker 1 (48:08):
You know who it is?
Speaker 2 (48:08):
You know what I'm about to say, Who is this krypt.
Speaker 4 (48:16):
No, just that run around three is taking.
Speaker 1 (48:21):
And you all time great Come on, don't do that.
Don't do that.
Speaker 2 (48:27):
I like the Celtics.
Speaker 4 (48:29):
I like the Celtics.
Speaker 1 (48:30):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (48:31):
I'm looking forward to for them to to to put
it down this year they've been having I think they're
ready to go.
Speaker 4 (48:36):
I think they're mentally. I like I like them mentally.
Speaker 2 (48:38):
Did you hear that was sick matchups? Right?
Speaker 3 (48:43):
Eddie House and Drew Hollidays a wash? So I think
we're gonna go there a double team and play out.
No Eddie House, that's what that's not.
Speaker 4 (48:54):
That's just right there.
Speaker 1 (48:58):
White and Ray. Let's solid matchup to wash me and
tell them can wash where's the advantage at That's what
I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (49:08):
This is a battle that'll be a battle of the
yea like the two thousand.
Speaker 4 (49:12):
That's a great match toughness, mentality.
Speaker 1 (49:14):
But then we go to the bench, Rondo, Rondo, don't
even come off the bench. I'm just saying that matchup alone.
You can even say Rondo Drew. Yeah, you know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (49:28):
Ray No, I love that. I think great teams. We
just got to see Boston get it done this year.
Speaker 1 (49:37):
They get it done.
Speaker 2 (49:38):
It's gonna be I'm looking forward to it.
Speaker 3 (49:39):
I wouldn't bet against them, but if you told me, look,
you gotta put your money down, you can't be afraid.
I would just I just I'm just such a great joke.
He just nobody scares me like him in the in
the NBA.
Speaker 1 (49:56):
I love joker.
Speaker 4 (49:57):
I can't bet against him because.
Speaker 1 (49:59):
You rank him all time as far as sinners, it's
hard Like, uh man, I heard somebody say he's more
dominant than Shack rolling. Is he more dominant than that's tough?
Speaker 4 (50:13):
Tough?
Speaker 2 (50:14):
Oh that's a good Is he more dominant than Shack?
Speaker 4 (50:19):
He's he's more versative.
Speaker 1 (50:21):
No goddamn way is he more dominant than Shack. It
was easy, give me the ball and it's going to
go right in the hoop period. I ain't no fancy
throw up jump hook, ain't no up and under. Give
me the goddamn ball. It's in the hoop and let's
get back on deep. Do you agree that we're a
witnessing and we are taking an all time team? This
(50:44):
is possibly if they win it. This is an all
time team. This probably if this team.
Speaker 4 (50:48):
They win this all time team.
Speaker 2 (50:50):
If they win it, they win the top five.
Speaker 4 (50:53):
They win it. I can say that they win it.
It's an all time team definitely.
Speaker 1 (50:57):
I mean top five, Yeah, I'll put them. They got great.
Speaker 3 (51:00):
Players on this team. You can't not get picking up porzingis.
I mean that was like it reminds me of when
the Lakers got Macado.
Speaker 4 (51:09):
It was like a cheat code.
Speaker 1 (51:11):
Man. People don't even people do ain't going that way back, bro,
People don't know. Come on, man, speak some names people.
Speaker 4 (51:17):
That's what I'm here for, to educate the people. Like
you said, that's what I'm here for.
Speaker 2 (51:22):
Everybody didn't watch Winning.
Speaker 4 (51:23):
Time, Bro, Well, you know, get your DV already.
Speaker 1 (51:30):
Who do you guys think are going to win the
championship this year? Obviously, I believe the Celtics are gonna
win it. Tell me your picks in the comments, man,
I appreciate y'all joining us today. The Truth Loungers always live.
We got some six subjects, influence teams. Leave it all
(51:53):
in the comments, show thoughts, got my man, j Crow.
Next week were coming outside. We're gonna barber.
Speaker 5 (52:00):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (52:00):
Next week you're gonna see some ooh. I might throw
the burgers in the seminole. Thanks for joining us Truth
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