June 20, 2024 • 53 mins
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This week Matt Riddle joins the show! Matt talks about his recent Uber accident that he was involved in which caused him to miss one of his matches. There's lots of UFC and MMA talk between The Original Bro and Bobby and there's some solid pro wrestling chat in here as well. Matt and Bobby talk about being back on the Indie scene again and the freedoms that they're enjoying. They talk Major League Wrestling (MLW) and some upcoming shows that they two will be a part of. And Matt even asks Bobby the question that's on everyone's mind. "How much...." you know the rest.
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This week Matt Riddle joins the show! Matt talks about his recent Uber accident that he was involved in which caused him to miss one of his matches. There's lots of UFC and MMA talk between The Original Bro and Bobby and there's some solid pro wrestling chat in here as well. Matt and Bobby talk about being back on the Indie scene again and the freedoms that they're enjoying. They talk Major League Wrestling (MLW) and some upcoming shows that they two will be a part of. And Matt even asks Bobby the question that's on everyone's mind. "How much...." you know the rest.
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(00:01):
The most educated professional professor him theshow. And I mean, folks,
where's the lines? It's time forthe Undiscried Podcast with Fish and we're back
better than ever on the Interspirit ofPodcast with post big Fish. He'scott We're
(00:28):
bigger this week. We're bigger,bigger, badder, stronger, faster,
faster, well about faster daft punksong. Yeah, I move fast though,
like I'm I give it up teaquickly. Hey, what's that background?
(00:53):
What's that feedback? Frank? Okay? Now all right, which I
guess Our guest is the King ofbro Skis matt Aloysious Riddle. Wow,
(01:18):
Matthew Aloysius Riddle, that's your yourlegal names? Our wishes was given to
me. Yeah, it wasn't.It wasn't like you know, and I
chose it was bestowed. It wasand uh, I represent the al wishes
(01:38):
name. Well, yes, youdo, you do. You're a handsome
Yeah, you're a handsome offering inthat way. So yeah, So mister
mister Riddle, how how's life treatingyou, sir? It's been pretty it's
been good, you know, beenhanging out, chilling. Uh, got
(02:01):
the baby six months old? Nowyou have little little Matthew. Congratulations,
of course he is. Now so, uh, you know, I've been
working basically every week in this pastweek, and I was supposed to work,
but I got him too, alittle thunder bender. I saw that.
(02:22):
Yeah, it was brutal. Ialready missed my morning flight, so
I was already pissed about that,and then I got an uber and then
yeah, take the recruit. Takeus through this story if you don't mind
recounting, just because I think it'sinteresting and it's it's definitely commentary on the
(02:43):
life of like. It's kind ofthe come up, it's kind of the
like. It's just it's it's thesong and dance of the independent contracted wrestler.
Yeah, well, I'm looking atlike this too. You got so
many days you're on the road traveling, and the amount of days I've been
(03:04):
on the road traveling not to getinto one accident, you know, I
was I was due for one,I guess, But this past weekend I
took it uber. I looked prettyclose to the airport and on our way,
we got into a little collision withanother car when the car was passing
and we crashed. And it wasn'tI didn't feel banged up. I feel
(03:28):
great. I'm gonna work this weekend. I didn't feel fine during the incident.
It was just the doctors because theywanted us to get checked out and
everything, you know, and wedid and everything seemed okay. I mean,
they said I might have a mildconcussion and I should probably not,
you know, go travel and wrestlemultiple times that week, which sucks,
(03:51):
you know, but at the sametime, it's like, you know,
I kind of kind of take myhealth into priority here and take care of
myself, you know. Yeah,what what kind of vehicle was the Uber
that you were in? I thinkit was like a fucking little cheap one
liked cord. Yeah. Yeah,it'd be different if it was like,
(04:15):
yeah, I was in a fone fifty. Well, I didn't want
to get like the Xcel, youknow, the Luber black. You don't
pay that premium dollars. Yeah,no, you never listen. You're talking
to the cheapest guy going. Imean, I'll take an Uber bicycle if
it cuts down on cost. Youknow, when I was in Amsterdam,
(04:39):
they had like bicycle taxis. Theythey carry you around the city in them,
and uh, pretty convenient, reallynice. Yeah, you're ever there,
Yeah, next time or you know, someplace with like a rickshaw or
something like that, I'll partake,all right, So uber failed you uh
(05:02):
put you landed? You in thehospital? You said they So did they
confirm that you have a concussion orthey did some tests. My pupils were
slightly dilated, and uh, Iwasn't reacting as quickly as I probably should
have been. So, but atthe same time, I did just get
into an accident. I just askeda million questions, and well, what's
(05:25):
their reference point for matt riddle?As well? Like what's there? You
know, I did, what's theirbaseline for that riddle? Our reaction time
for let's say, yeah, andI and I also looked at the situation.
Has uh, you know, justgone to a car accident. Maybe
(05:47):
I shouldn't get on an airplane andwrestled like multiple times this week here probably
and the doctors thought that was agood idea too, and general consensus,
you know, bo so like Isaid, But at the same time,
you know, things happen for areason, and it is what it is.
Yeah, I think what sucks aboutit more than anything is is one
(06:11):
you know. Okay, So let'slet's just be adults about this, Like
it's a loss of income because aspro wrestlers we don't get paid, and
like a lot of stuff has changedover the years, right, it's not
back in the day of like TullyBlanchard and you know, but it is
still at times you don't play,you don't get don't I don't get paid
(06:35):
anywhere unless I work right now,right right, So if you have a
yeah, I'm chosen to contracts,yes, And I've chosen just to have
the freedom of the work where Iwant to and work what days I want.
If i want to take a vacation, I'm never really obligated then,
(06:56):
Like I work for m l Wand they have one day a month double
shot usually works for me. Youknow, that's a I don't mind making
sure I have one day free,but every day every week for your every
weekend booked or you know, especiallydoing it for such an extended period of
time, it's like it's nice tokind of have that freedom, you know.
(07:19):
And I can do the signings,you know, I can do the
riddle og and the other strains ofa canadis working on and things like that.
So it's just it's you know,it opens up more doors. You
know, autonomy is nice, asteady paycheck is nice. And it's probably
(07:43):
just one of those things where likeyou know, you're not gonna have both.
You're gonna have to make a choicewhen it comes to most of these
things. But yeah, it justit is what it is on that front.
But then the other, the othershame and the whole thing is that
(08:05):
you know, you uh, youhave to the fans have to miss you
know, And I'm sure that therewere ticket holders that that were going specifically
to see Matt Riddle, and Iknow that you give a shit, so
I know that, like you don'twant to disappoint those people. And at
the end of the day, too, like we are our own business,
(08:26):
right, so like you don't wantto miss dates, regardless what the circumstances
are, because that is that's that'slost business. You know. I agree.
I one percent agree. And forlike the last ten years, I
uh probably would have said fuck everybodyand done whatever I wanted and probably sure,
(08:50):
yeah, you know, unless Iwas told definitely not, I was
like stumbling and couldn't do it.Yeah, but uh, you know I
don't have to do that, youknow, And I apologize. You know,
the flights weren't too expensive, andI don't know what else to say.
You know, if it was onme, that would be one thing.
But it's right, you know,no doctor suggested I don't go.
(09:16):
I'm not going. I think mostmost of the wrestling audience and even most
of your your peers, as anyother wrestlers, are gonna, like,
you know, Riddle gets the mulliganfor sure, at least in my you
know what I mean, Like there'sno reason to be suspicious or anything otherwise.
So like, yeah, you geta mulligan. Thanks, Bobby,
(09:39):
you got you got it, yougot it. Yeah. So you brought
up MLW, and that's kind ofbeen the place you and I are both
working there, that's been one ofthe places where I've seen you most often.
(10:00):
And yeah, it's been you know, it's it's been good. Good
see you, good catching up withyou. And you know, it's kind
of interesting that we're both in MLWat this point. We're both doing the
more independent hustle. We're gonna callit because it is. It's a hustle
man. Yeah, I mean,oh no, Since my release, I've
(10:26):
just been trying to keep the schedulepacked in full, and I've noticed the
best way to keep it packed infull is by taking indie dates and certain
dates, but they're not you know, signing contracts, because then you're kind
of stuck or stuck at one placeand can't work other places. It's always
good to have, at least forme, keep a door that opens both
(10:50):
ways, you know. Yeah,yeah, I feel like most contracts just
in general people you know, it'san accomplishment for sure, you know,
you got to be good enough toget offered get a contract. But at
the same time, most contracts arevery one sided. Yeah, you know.
People don't just give you money fornothing, you know. So I
(11:11):
think when you know your value,know your worth, you're going to make
those decisions, you know, andthe experience you know. But at the
end of the day, you know, everybody has their own strategy, their
own way of doing things, andif it's successful and successful, if it's
not, it's not and you kindof just learn from your mistakes or your
(11:33):
your wins, you know, onehundred at this point, because we've known
each other. Uh so I knewyou before wwe before, you know,
we we were very familiar with eachother during the come up, you know,
(11:54):
the PWG Days and all that stuff. So how much different or how
similar was it to be? Imean, let's face it, we were
both at least for like a thebetter part of a decade under contract to
somebody. Yeah, so coming backto independent and like, how similar or
(12:22):
how different is it to those likelet's say those like PWG Days where you
know, we would wrestle Lisita,And I think it's it's similar, but
it's different. You know, it'ssimilar because there's some shows or some crowds
or some buildings, venues areas thatjust run a little hotter. Also,
(12:46):
it depends on where you are onthe show, what kind of show it
is, you know. But yeah, it really depends. You know,
there's been a MLW shows with thehouse is bumping, and then there's been
other shows I've been on where thehouse for the most part, if I'm
working, I've I've been doing prettywell. Most of the crowds I work
in are pretty sold out. Yeah, Like since I joined MLW, they
(13:11):
haven't had a not sold out showsince January. That's awesome. So I
think that's good. And oh no, So it's like it depends on where
you work. Don't get me wrong. There's other shows I've also done where
maybe they only have room for threehundred or four hundred yeas, but they
(13:31):
sell it out, you know,and then people are there like, oh,
I was there the other day.It wasn't sold out. It was
like ten people. You know.I was like, Oh, that's brutal,
but like, and that's not everytime. There's been shows where it
sells three hundred and it's like it'sonly two fifty. But for the most
part, when I'm there, it'sthe shows sell very well and I do
(13:52):
the meet and greets and everything likethat, and it's just been just killing
it really Yeah. But then there'ssummers that me and greets like they got
in Chicago. I did it andit was and Mystico was there. Mystico
was super over with that audience andthat part of Chicago. Oh yeah yeah.
(14:13):
And then afterwards, you know,but I felt like people didn't even
know me. I felt like theywatched more Lutrador, you know, like
cmll well was that the Chicago wherethey did it was MLW the one that
we both Yeah, they did thepay per view and they did I don't
know if they were tapings or whatthey were, but it was kind of
(14:35):
a dual taping or you know,a portion of it was live pay per
view. But yeah, I mean, I guess for me coming back to
independent wrestling, the biggest maybe notthe biggest change, but the change at
(14:58):
least the trend that I'm starting tonotice, and like I don't even like
talking about it, really I'm goingto because it's the thing that I noticed
the most. It's kind of anegative and I don't want to like paint
a poor picture, but it's likeeverybody gets to see how the donuts are
(15:22):
made, like literally everyone, liketo the point where I've been, you
know, backstage. I don't know, there was a time where backstage was
a bit more of a selective croudwhere nowadays it's like the line between fan
(15:48):
and backstage whatever is just it's one. It's either not like policed at all
or too it's maybe just too relaxed. And I get that, like fans
want as much access as they canget, and rightfully so, because I
(16:14):
would want it to. But therecomes a point where like you don't want
to show them exactly how the donutsare made, like you you want there
to still like you as a fanas a kid. You know, to
now be on this side of yourcareer, you know, it tarnishes a
(16:38):
little bit of your fandom as akid, you know, if you look
back at to be fair, ifyou were a kid, and you you
know, I really think these guysare one hundred percent come on, like,
it's pro wrestling. I love it. But there's a difference between like
a box and fight kickboxing wrestling matchand as they oh, that's not exciting
at all, really, and yougot the showmanship and everything else, and
(17:03):
it's extremely physical and you're basically doinglike super moves to each other. You
know. It's like, so Ithink, I don't know. So I
guess it depends on who you are, and I guess it does tarnish it.
But I think there's also an artin it in itself, you know.
I do like and and this isstill true to this day, when
(17:25):
you can blur the lines of realand not real, and it doesn't matter
if it's in the ring. Ifyou wrestle good, that's one thing,
but it's the blur and if you'regood enough, because I'd be like,
I can wrestle good enough to blurit. But to have a good enough
promo or good enough storyline so peopleactually think we don't like each other and
we can actually be hostile towards eachother. That's completely different, if that
(17:48):
makes you know, if that makessense, especially with like seth rolls.
You know, when I had thatstoryline and he called me like a deadbeat
dad and that's why my wife leftme, and this and the other thing.
It's like people for you know,they felt that they're like, oh
no, like right, people getblur that lines and even like but like
(18:11):
and even like talking trash about somebody'swrestling, like right now, and this
isn't anock towards anybody or anything thathappens because things happen in the ring.
Botches happen all the time. Sure, say like Beyonce and Jay were to
turn on one another, I wouldsay, like Beyonca should mention how she
messed that up at the castle andreally that's what costs of the match or
(18:33):
what have you, And that wouldbe a huge thing. You've made something
that was real, right, notpart of the story. And now there's
that animosity, you know. Andsometimes it's saying something really personal that hurts
or something or it's something like assimple as a botch in the ring,
you're calling out your teammate for slippingup. I love the more blurry the
(18:56):
line is, and I think itis it's taking it advantage of something that
wasn't necessarily meant to be there,but presents itself. So you're only hurting
your yourself and your storyline if youdon't take advantage of it. I think
what I was trying to get atwith the locker room thing has more to
(19:18):
do with the fans or the likein the locker room. Yeah, yeah,
that that and like the fact that, like you now have, for
the most part, everybody wants tobe in the know, Like nobody wants
to be a mark. Right so, but if if we're for going by
(19:41):
the the definition of what these thingsare, nobody wants to be the mark.
Everybody wants to be smart, andit's like everybody can't be smart or
there's no one to buy the ticket. And that's where it starts to get
(20:03):
a little like incestuous to me.And then you have fans saying things like,
oh, I love your heel work, and you know, just using
inside baseball terminology that I think ithurts the business too, Like it's just
just enjoy wrestling for what it is, and like do yourself the favor and
(20:27):
the industry the favor of, likeingesting the material that you're paying for,
the material that the writers write,the storylines, as opposed to you know,
the dirt sheet bullshit. Because thedirt sheet bullshit is like guys like
Meltzer and whomever, like they arenot fucking they don't have sources being checked.
(20:52):
They can print whatever they want.They don't like that insatiable appetite for
the pro wrestling dirt. Well,this is the unfortunate part about the world
we work in. And like anybodycan say anything true, just like our
storylines. Anybody can say anything.It's it could be real, could not
(21:14):
be real. It's you know,it's just one of the things. And
I would say this, The onlyproblem is when you claim to be a
reputable source. Now I don't haveany problems with really it's pro wrestling.
At this point. I'm just likea point where like the things that are
reported on I literally get a haircutand they write articles about it. It
(21:36):
was just stupid shit at this point, you know, or anything. And
don't get me wrong, I guesswe were pro wrestlers. It's something.
But at the end of the day, I'm just like whatever, you know,
just like you know, I gota car accident. S we I
told a couple of promoters, Isaid, it, can you make a
post about it? Make a postabout it? Of course, there's like
(21:56):
twenty articles are in about it.It's like sweet, I can even tell
my parents had to post about itand then articles and then my parents find
out even like that way, youknow. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
it's one of those things thinking aboutanybody else would have been able to just
(22:17):
they call their family right off thebat. I called the person I'm about
to fly to. Yeah, Iknow, it's a different it's it is
what it is. Yeah, Iget that. I get that. Well,
I mean obviously, so you're backto work as of this coming weekend.
(22:38):
Yeah, I'm going to go backto work. I feel good.
I felt good this past week andI was just taking precautions. You know.
They told me I didn't want togo and like die, and like
told you, so, well,if you die, if you died,
if you died last weekend, thenyou won't make Tampa, right, Yeah,
(23:03):
well I won't make it to Tampa. Or do you think they'll fly
your dead body to Tampa and liveFlorida. I technically, if I get
cremated in time, they can takemy ashes. I could pick you up,
because I mean I'll be driving.I could just throw you in the
back of the truck and just throwingmy merchandise. Yeah. Yeah, because
(23:29):
if for some reason you die thisweekend, try not to die far away
from here so that I can stillget you to Tampa. It'll be like
we can't have Bernie's with the brothis weekend. I'm going to Mexico.
Oh no, believe crash and TripleA or doing a show. I believe
(23:52):
it's a combo show. I'm doingthat and combo so like a combo show,
like sponsored by combos, the likepret and pizza, the pizza.
That'd be awesome. But I dothat and then uh, then Sunday,
(24:15):
I'm in San Diego. Then homeMonday Sunday night, depending on what time
the show is. I'm not surewho you got in San Diego. Personal
Oh absolutely, it's absolutely from whatI've been told, it's a kid's birthday.
Oh nice, doing all the thingswe we have never been like.
(24:41):
I've never been afraid to call uswhat we are. Like I would tell
my kids, like, yeah,just your father's a professional liar. And
the other thing that has been saidabout us many times that we're all basically
prostitutes. Like well, if youpay the price for free, you know
you to travel. Yeah, exactly. Really that's a good way to put
(25:06):
it. Travel between accidents and airportsecurity. Yeah's the real pain in the
ass. Well. I was justtelling these guys before you got on on
the call, just how much youstart to value your time As we were
talking about a mutual friend of oursthat that kept wasting my time, and
(25:26):
I was like, you know,just the amount of time that if I
think about it in the twenty fiveyear professional career that I've had, like
the amount of time I've wasted inairports on layovers or at hotels away from
my family or you know, justso like, yeah, I if I
(25:47):
don't prioritize my time, who who'sgoing to Yeah, don't get me started.
Yeah I get it. I getmy favorite part about the indies right
now, Like I cantrol how busymy schedule is. Yeah, nothing wrong
with that. I haven't had thatluxury since I was probably like twenty one
(26:10):
or twenty two years old. Evenbefore that, wrestling in college and everything
like that. Yeah, you know, then fighting professionally, and then finally
yeahs a pro wrestler. Yeah.Yeah, you've certainly picked a few outside
the box careers to pursue. Yeah, she's just them golf. I'm gonna
(26:40):
focus everything into golf. I'd probablybe really good and I'd probably just make
bank. You think, could youimagine? I mean, man, that'd
be gets gold right there, justmarketing a lot. You got golf that
(27:03):
I would have killed it. Inever imagine, dude, I'm a stallion.
Imagine I never would have took abump and just trained all the time.
I would just be like, youdon't think you don't think your body
was kind of meant to take bumWell, I feel like my body was
(27:26):
definitely meant for like fighting and scrapping. And they just got done doing jiu
jitsu and feel amazing when live roundslike for like thirty forty minutes straight.
You know, So, were youteaching tonight or were you trained them?
I teach, I teach and train, you know. Yeah, that's that's
(27:48):
the way. Yeah, Well,they say, especially with jiu jitsu is
when you start teaching jiu jitsu,you become a much better jiu jitsu player
as well. I think so too. But even with striking, I feel
like when I started teaching like fundamentalstrikeing and stuff, just by default,
you know, you're teaching somebody,and when it's looking wrong, you're tweaking
(28:10):
and and you're looking at you andI agree. You know, iron sharpens
iron. I agree, man,I agree. I've lately been doing a
good amount of striking again myself,and uh teaching a little bit to others
Muay Thai or boxing, and Iconcur man, I feel like the more
(28:36):
time I spend doing it, alot of it. At this point,
I'm doing, you know, bymyself, but then in preparation I feel
more prepared. So yeah, Ithink you're right. Yeah, thank you?
Right, Frank? Uh where whereelse are we? Uh? What?
(29:03):
What? What questions might you havefor mister riddle? Is it true
you beat up John Jones twice inhigh school? I place higher? So
we were in the same tournament twotimes, and I pinned the guy that
beat him twice. So every timeI wrestled the guy you never made to
(29:25):
the finals to me and I alwaysbeat the guy that beat him. But
I've I've rolled with him, andat that time, I felt like I
would probably take his lunch money.Now John Jones would probably take my house.
You know. You know, he'sdefinitely he's probably the greatest mixed martial
artists that ever lived. So butyeah, I think. But at the
(29:48):
same time, you know, Istill think, you know, that's still
a feather in the cap. Yeah, is that do you think? Do
you think that? Is that youryour mount rushmore of m I l you
know what I mean. I've donesome things, you know, I had
I held like the most strikes landedin the UFC in one round for a
little bit. You know, I'veknocked you know, broken digit. I've
(30:11):
done things you know that I wouldfeel like a complimhens or like the Mission
of the Knights or Fight of theKnights or you know, or even if
you go to WWE, you know, you know, Wrestledmania a couple of
times, won tag titles, wonthe US titles, won the NXP tag
TLEs. You know, so didyou you know, won the Dusty Cup.
(30:33):
Yeah, dude, when the tagtitles from you? You did you
did? Yeah, it's okay,okay, yeah, and look at us
now just talking about it. ISo I guess what I was getting at
(30:53):
was more than that because the listof accomplishment and whatever like and I try
to keep track of this sometimes too, especially when people ask about, you
know, just career questions, likeit has it's it's provided us a pretty
charmed existence. So like, Itry to be grateful for that though,
(31:18):
all of those instances good and bad. But I guess I was just like
getting at what your if you youhad a Mount Rushmore of martial artists,
uh, and present included what thatmight look like like? Would it would
(31:45):
definitely include John Jones based on oh, we're going mixed martial arts, Noll
Rushmore. I guess because I forthe greatest combat athletes. I'm saying kind
of overall, because you and Iboth know martial arts before it was just
(32:07):
you know, the UFC that themodern day what people would think of when
they think of mixed martial arts ormartial arts in general. Like I'm talking
to include some of the because Iknow my Mount Rushmore would include some of
the ogs like my rush My MountRushmore is mostly older guys. Okay,
(32:30):
I would say like your mind wouldbe probably fad Or would be GSP,
would be John Jones, and thenprobably Anderson Silva when he was in his
prime. Well, how many peopleare on Mount Rushmore for but oh shit,
I got one more? Yeah,you gotta have one. And then
I would say in his prime,heyday, Chuck letdel You just remember him
(32:55):
just getting knocked out a bunch oftimes at the end of his career.
Well that's the sad part of it. That is the sad part. But
the guy was like literally the icemanand dominic Grampach Jackson could be on there
too, you know, yeah,yeah, but now there's a bunch of
new facts. I feel like peoplewould now put Connor on there. But
also depends on how you look atit, Like if you look at how
(33:16):
much money somebody makes, you know, that's one thing I feel like with
me, it's like aura, Likeeven Vandali Silva might be there for me,
because like the guys known as theAxe Murderer and when he was in
Pride, dude, yeah, hewas freat killing people, like just straight
up like he looked like just looksso vicious. He beat people to a
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pole. You know, the samething with crow Cop. You know,
it's hard and just who like who? You liked that because all those guys
are great and all in their prime, like when they were on their run
were almost unstoppable. Debt was almostunstoppable for a minute. And then the
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same thing with Rampage, and samething with Henderson for a minute, and
same thing with you know, everybodyhas that run and you know Connor even
you know Kobev definitely, But thenthere's guys like GSP, Like GSP is
definitely probably number one, and GeorgeJohn Jones is one GSPS two in my
book, you know, because yougot two guys that like have beat in
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everybody GSPS, like redeemed all ofhis losses and be and everybody came back
and won a middleweight title, youknow, out of retirement. You know.
So if Kabeb comes back and winssomething else, like beats another top
guy then leaves, that's I'll sayhe's he's in that top three too,
because I think a hard thing todo. I can't see that eund I
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mean especially I don't know why youwould Why take the risk, why take
the chance? Right well, andafter three oh two, I think uh
osmon Eric I think I'm saying thename wrong. Uh, the one that
beat poorer. Yeah, uh heyou know, he's just kind of solidified
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as the guy. And uh,I think for Kabebe that's that's as far
as well. I think I thinkhe trains them of his guy like loses
and loss again, he's like,I want Kabe Then I didn't do it.
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You didn't know that's the storyline.Well, I think that that's the
thing that more than anything, thatthe difference between the two and what's missing
from uh what was it that VinceMcMahon was famous for saying, like,
if you can't control the outcomes,you cannot build a star, and like
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you can harder. Yeah, simlike that star has gotta win well,
because the thing is is you're goingto put you know, time is finite,
right, and like everybody's time intheir athletic prime is you know,
measured, and it's got an explorationday and it's going to happen to everyone.
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And I think with MMA it's eveneven tenfold because and you would be
able to speak on this better thanI would, but the length of like
the prime of a mixed martial artist'scareer seems to be that window seems to
be super short, Like I woulddare to say, I don't know,
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is it three years? Four years? But would you I would agree with
pro wrestling in a sense too,only x amount of people say like the
primely like fighting UFC right or thetop company and getting paid top money as
a yeah, that's a short periodof time forever. Yeah, But except
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for like it's select few, rightand saving and pro wrestling. Most people
don't like at WW. Most peopledon't work there twenty years. Most people
work there. It's like a coupleof years, three to five years,
and that's that, you know.So it's I think it's just, you
know, it's a lestman. Somepeople come back, you know, some
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people like Andrea Lobski is in theUFC good then lost, then fought his
way back, and you know,and others have as well. There's countless
cases. So it's like, youknow, it's just just the nature of
the beast, you know, whenit comes to this, and unless you
just keep winning and you're on top. But you know, everybody has a
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dip and dive once in a while. It's just hard to keep it going
to that dip and dive, right, You got to navigate the rough patches
the same way you have to theyou know, valleys or whatever you want
to call it. Here here's thequestion that I've always had. I kind
of want to see what your thoughtsare on this. So like the way
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that I look at pro wrestling andMMA like nowadays, especially from when like
you were still fighting or the guysthat we mentioned previously, the Chuck Liddell's
and another one that I'll add tothat is BJ penn J Pennon guys are
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selling right, So guys like thatfrom that time to now, the evolution
of M m A has been likealmost unrecognizable, right it isn't it isn't.
I'll tell you this. You watcha fight, Sony throws the straight
left or right hand down the sunny, they're still get knocked out. Yeah,
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we know what it is. It'stiming seeing you know. But like
you got to just be in yourpro There's certainly part of examples, I
say, like a Connor Well.I remember seeing Connor ripped through people in
the UFC. I was like,this is like these are works I just
wouldn't be happy. But then ifyou look at the dude was just he
hits really hard with his left hand. He's a fouthpaw, he's got good
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footwork, and he's really fast.That's it. And dude, it's not
like you did anything crazy. It'snot like you want thirty fights in a
row. He just wont like youknow what I'm saying. Well, dude,
if you're on your prime and you'reon your rip and you're going,
it's hard to be like derailed.Yeah, yeah, so I see then
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the what I see the biggest differenceis now then. And maybe you would
agree or disagree with this, butis that I feel like you could be
really good at one or a fewthings then and get by on sticking mostly
to that where I feel like today'sMMA has gotten to where you need all
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the boxes checked and if if thereis one that's not checked that year at
risk of being exposed. Well,I think all boxes needed to be checked,
even back when I was fighting.But you're right, I think if
somebody had a certain level at something, you know. But I'll say this
now, when you get anyway,when you get in like the top ten,
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top twenty, that's one thing,you know. But like if you're
talking like some like fights on theweekend or just people starting to pro career.
You know, there's still some wigglefrom there because most people have a
background saying it rust yeah. Youknow. They take bow Nickel for example,
Bo Nickel, top guy in theUFC right now, and he he
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hasn't been fighting that long. No, no, and he's extremely well rounded,
and it's like, how did thathappen? It is like, you
wrestled, but he wrestled. Idon't big level, and his jiu jitsu
picked up and his striking's pretty good. But that's just a dude in his
prime, super athletic stallion. Knowswhat he's doing, knows what to think,
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He's mentally prepared. You know,it's like, dude, it's just
dude. There was probably a timein your life where you were like,
dude, somebody hit me in thehead of the brick. I turned around
and knock him out, And it'slike, dude, that's the kind of
attitude you have to have when youfind like you get that level and like,
let's be honest, you now,if I said I was going to
hit you in the head of thebrick, you're gonna do anything. He's
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like, no, dude, don'thit me with a brick, you know,
like but like there's a time whenyou're like in your prime, You're
like I can kill everybody and everything. That's the time, you know,
at least as a professional fighter,at least for me, you know,
right, Well maybe not everybody,but definitely is the thing. And I
can see where like bow Nickel hasbeen performing at that top level all the
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way through college whatever, Like it'sjust part of who he is at this
point. So it makes total sense. The reason why I'm even getting into
this conversation is to then visit anotherlike theory that I kind of have on
pro wrestling, And the difference betweenthe two is that, you know,
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because you have to check all theboxes with MM at this point or you
risk being exposed. I feel likepro wrestling in its own way has suffered
from performers not so much needing tobut wanting to check all the boxes because
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our business is what it is,dials are what make the matches interesting.
So yeah, have a Keith Leeversus a Matt Riddle, you know,
you you have a Bronze Stroman versusRay Masterio or like, it's just the
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differences is and the way that eachperformer uses their strengths or weaknesses to get
the job done, or you know, what makes them susceptible to certain offense
or whatnot. Is what makes prowrestling, in my opinion, cool.
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So if if you are the youknow, if you are blessed with the
kind of size that like let's sayMoose has or Keith Lee or what,
I don't know if you know,I just don't know if the moon salts
and all that other stuff are necessary. Now I'm not saying you need to
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work just as a big mean butif if you can knock me down,
you're wrestling me, and you canknock me down with a punch, at
no point do you need to thenhit me with a drop kick to knock
me down, because you don't needto leave your feet. But if you
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if Keith Lee is wrestling Moose andneither one of them are able to knock
each other down, well, nowthere's a reason why you gotta leave your
feet to knock that person down.Yeah, and I think that man gets
lost in the traffic of what itis to like. Okay, it's pro
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wrestling. So just because you cando something doesn't mean you should do something.
Probably, you know, I thinkit just depends on who you are.
I would say, it doesn't reallymake sense. You know, Keith
Lee shouldn't necessarily have to drop kickme at the getting of a match.
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But at the same time, KeithLee can do drop kicks very easily and
he wants to do it, andthe crowd reacts. Who am I to
say no? You know, soI kind of look at it like that.
I would say, if I wasbigger, I'd probably do the more
crazy stuff. Just like even now, I don't do like crazy dives to
the floor every match, but ifit's a bigger match, like say,
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if I'm in Japan for a championship, I'm probably gonna do a dive to
the concrete floor, you know.But it's like, but if I'm like
not, you know, and it'sa dodgy situation, probably not gonna do
anything too crazy out there. Youknow. It's says you got to take
precautions and take risk when you should. Yeah, I get it, I
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know what you're saying. THO wouldbecause like say, like if I was
bigger, I probably wouldn't hit amoon salt off the top except for like
twice a year. So when Idid do it, it could be at
a bigger pay per view or whateverif I was working that skin. Then
again, if you're not at thatlevel, it's like, what's the point
of like holding back and waiting.You might as well let the world see
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what you got. Well, itall depends. I guess my point is
more this is because you know,you and I are both working more independently.
Now, I'm getting to see alot of wrestling and a lot of
like I don't know how to categorizeit, but a lot of like wrestling
on the come up still, Andwhat I've the overwhelming impression that I keep
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getting is that like everybody's doing thesame stuff. And so you have some
of these promoters that you know,they're they're putting on a show and they
want to get everybody on the card, so they have like ten matches and
like majority of the matches go overon time because there's nobody like enforcing you
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know, you have to stick toyour times or whatever. And then I
feel like I'm watching some of thisstuff and it's a lot of the same
stuff. And that's the thing isif you watch the UFC, you get
a lot of the same stuff too, Like a Kimora, a guillotine.
You know, there's only so manyways to throw a headkick, but for
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them, they have to be thatway. We are still you know,
a video game come to life.We're still teking, We're still a street
fighter, you know. Like That'swhat I think is the difference and why
a fan should tune in is tosee the way that a ray mystereo interacts
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with a Bam Bam Bigelow or KeithLee or a like. I don't know,
I just think that sometimes we missthat part of it. And when
we miss that part of it,it's like we you know, we're hurting
ourselves. Hopefully not too bad,right, not like a gunshot wound,
(47:57):
but maybe definitely Like sweet knife,have you ever been stamped? Yeah?
You have one, so of thepucket knife in the chest. Oh how
old were you when this happened?Old enough to he And the one time
(48:20):
there was like a servinge fork ora fork thrown at me and it's stuck
in my rib like you know,like a spear. Wow, that's almost
biblical, Like I've been here.He created eve from his rib, no,
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you know, and the thing isgoing to happen, you know,
like deer gazelle like buck around tryingto like get it out. You don't
have like hands. That's exactly whatI did. It's like I was he
jerked around, gazelle. I'm not, but I imagine it is the natural
reaction most mammals have when they getharpooned. It must be fair. Did
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shake out so you could maybe insteadof the stallion you become a gazelle,
the zeal dude. Maybe? Yeah, Well we'll get there. Yeah,
get there so, yeah, we'llI'll see in Tampa a couple of weeks.
Dude. Yeah, man, lookingforward to it. We have the
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battle, right, I'm a stallion. I get to claim that title.
Shot. So you do you getready for the new heavyweight MLW champion?
Yeah? You owned the battle.Nice. No, we'll see. Yeah.
Did you want to ask me something? No? You sure? How
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much fish is buddy? Fish?Fry buy fish? Good fry fish?
Speaking of which are we doing?There's a fish cooking show. Fish you
can Cook. Doesn't have to bea show. It can be like a
one time thing. No, Ithink it should be a show. Why
I think? I mean we couldcook some fish at least once. Yeah,
(50:15):
I think it. Yeah, maybea talk show segment or something on
the show, and you're cook allthe time, dude, Listen. I've
had some ideas too. I've beenthinking about it. I lately, I've
been, uh, I've toyed withthe idea of a wrestling barefoot myself,
(50:37):
and recently I've been looking into likea lot of like foot issues and what
shoes have done to retard our feet. So I purchased recently something that I
think should make their way onto thebros merch table. Now what I going
(51:07):
to say? Those feet shoes things? Are you? Well, I need
the foot shoes things. I've seenthem, my cup of tea. I'm
mostly barefoot, not that Bobby whatMy phone's probably gonna die? So yeah,
anyway, we're gonna cut this out. Get a good final conclusion.
(51:30):
Okay instead of toe spacers, brospacers. I love it. It's signed.
Let's do it. I'll put pento paper and this has been This
has been a great chat. Thankyou everybody. Miss Matt Riddle. Oh
(51:53):
yeah, find me on Instagram andTwitter and m l W and all the
indie shows next to go here Ishows everything but one of them at least
once. So hell yeah, allright, thank you sir, thank you,
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night man, Matthew. And likethat he's gone and the show is
a rap. All right, that'sgood that I didn't mean that kind of
wrap, Frank, Yeah, awesome, that's good. All right. The
Bobby Fish Let's see Bobbyfish Apparel dotcom. Uh, Bobby Fish Booking seven
(52:37):
at gmail dot com to book theProfessor July twelfth, MLW in I don't
know if technically we're in Saint Petersburgor Tampa. I'm almost I'm pretty sure
it's Saint Pete. Yeah, theyfor't sure MLW on their ex page or
(53:04):
anywhere else. Figure what they're gonnabe there? You go, Yeah,
yeah, you know what I wastelling you where they're gonna be. Look
at your damn self looking everything.Ye can't exactly do what we're supposed to
do here, that's true. Hey, this weekend h family vacation, vacation.
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Yeah, we're not going far,but that's right. Yeah, time
together is all that really matters.Yes, I was listening, I was
paying attention, and we need Frank, anything for you No, nothing,
okay, perfect me either. Onthat note, sayod night, Bobby,
(53:55):
Good night, Bobby
The most educated professional professor him theshow. And I mean, folks,
where's the lines? It's time forthe Undiscried Podcast with Fish and we're back
better than ever on the Interspirit ofPodcast with post big Fish. He'scott We're
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bigger this week. We're bigger,bigger, badder, stronger, faster,
faster, well about faster daft punksong. Yeah, I move fast though,
like I'm I give it up teaquickly. Hey, what's that background?
(00:53):
What's that feedback? Frank? Okay? Now all right, which I
guess Our guest is the King ofbro Skis matt Aloysious Riddle. Wow,
(01:18):
Matthew Aloysius Riddle, that's your yourlegal names? Our wishes was given to
me. Yeah, it wasn't.It wasn't like you know, and I
chose it was bestowed. It wasand uh, I represent the al wishes
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name. Well, yes, youdo, you do. You're a handsome
Yeah, you're a handsome offering inthat way. So yeah, So mister
mister Riddle, how how's life treatingyou, sir? It's been pretty it's
been good, you know, beenhanging out, chilling. Uh, got
(02:01):
the baby six months old? Nowyou have little little Matthew. Congratulations,
of course he is. Now so, uh, you know, I've been
working basically every week in this pastweek, and I was supposed to work,
but I got him too, alittle thunder bender. I saw that.
(02:22):
Yeah, it was brutal. Ialready missed my morning flight, so
I was already pissed about that,and then I got an uber and then
yeah, take the recruit. Takeus through this story if you don't mind
recounting, just because I think it'sinteresting and it's it's definitely commentary on the
(02:43):
life of like. It's kind ofthe come up, it's kind of the
like. It's just it's it's thesong and dance of the independent contracted wrestler.
Yeah, well, I'm looking atlike this too. You got so
many days you're on the road traveling, and the amount of days I've been
(03:04):
on the road traveling not to getinto one accident, you know, I
was I was due for one,I guess, But this past weekend I
took it uber. I looked prettyclose to the airport and on our way,
we got into a little collision withanother car when the car was passing
and we crashed. And it wasn'tI didn't feel banged up. I feel
(03:28):
great. I'm gonna work this weekend. I didn't feel fine during the incident.
It was just the doctors because theywanted us to get checked out and
everything, you know, and wedid and everything seemed okay. I mean,
they said I might have a mildconcussion and I should probably not,
you know, go travel and wrestlemultiple times that week, which sucks,
(03:51):
you know, but at the sametime, it's like, you know,
I kind of kind of take myhealth into priority here and take care of
myself, you know. Yeah,what what kind of vehicle was the Uber
that you were in? I thinkit was like a fucking little cheap one
liked cord. Yeah. Yeah,it'd be different if it was like,
(04:15):
yeah, I was in a fone fifty. Well, I didn't want
to get like the Xcel, youknow, the Luber black. You don't
pay that premium dollars. Yeah,no, you never listen. You're talking
to the cheapest guy going. Imean, I'll take an Uber bicycle if
it cuts down on cost. Youknow, when I was in Amsterdam,
(04:39):
they had like bicycle taxis. Theythey carry you around the city in them,
and uh, pretty convenient, reallynice. Yeah, you're ever there,
Yeah, next time or you know, someplace with like a rickshaw or
something like that, I'll partake,all right, So uber failed you uh
(05:02):
put you landed? You in thehospital? You said they So did they
confirm that you have a concussion orthey did some tests. My pupils were
slightly dilated, and uh, Iwasn't reacting as quickly as I probably should
have been. So, but atthe same time, I did just get
into an accident. I just askeda million questions, and well, what's
(05:25):
their reference point for matt riddle?As well? Like what's there? You
know, I did, what's theirbaseline for that riddle? Our reaction time
for let's say, yeah, andI and I also looked at the situation.
Has uh, you know, justgone to a car accident. Maybe
(05:47):
I shouldn't get on an airplane andwrestled like multiple times this week here probably
and the doctors thought that was agood idea too, and general consensus,
you know, bo so like Isaid, But at the same time,
you know, things happen for areason, and it is what it is.
Yeah, I think what sucks aboutit more than anything is is one
(06:11):
you know. Okay, So let'slet's just be adults about this, Like
it's a loss of income because aspro wrestlers we don't get paid, and
like a lot of stuff has changedover the years, right, it's not
back in the day of like TullyBlanchard and you know, but it is
still at times you don't play,you don't get don't I don't get paid
(06:35):
anywhere unless I work right now,right right, So if you have a
yeah, I'm chosen to contracts,yes, And I've chosen just to have
the freedom of the work where Iwant to and work what days I want.
If i want to take a vacation, I'm never really obligated then,
(06:56):
Like I work for m l Wand they have one day a month double
shot usually works for me. Youknow, that's a I don't mind making
sure I have one day free,but every day every week for your every
weekend booked or you know, especiallydoing it for such an extended period of
time, it's like it's nice tokind of have that freedom, you know.
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And I can do the signings,you know, I can do the
riddle og and the other strains ofa canadis working on and things like that.
So it's just it's you know,it opens up more doors. You
know, autonomy is nice, asteady paycheck is nice. And it's probably
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just one of those things where likeyou know, you're not gonna have both.
You're gonna have to make a choicewhen it comes to most of these
things. But yeah, it justit is what it is on that front.
But then the other, the othershame and the whole thing is that
(08:05):
you know, you uh, youhave to the fans have to miss you
know, And I'm sure that therewere ticket holders that that were going specifically
to see Matt Riddle, and Iknow that you give a shit, so
I know that, like you don'twant to disappoint those people. And at
the end of the day, too, like we are our own business,
(08:26):
right, so like you don't wantto miss dates, regardless what the circumstances
are, because that is that's that'slost business. You know. I agree.
I one percent agree. And forlike the last ten years, I
uh probably would have said fuck everybodyand done whatever I wanted and probably sure,
(08:50):
yeah, you know, unless Iwas told definitely not, I was
like stumbling and couldn't do it.Yeah, but uh, you know I
don't have to do that, youknow, And I apologize. You know,
the flights weren't too expensive, andI don't know what else to say.
You know, if it was onme, that would be one thing.
But it's right, you know,no doctor suggested I don't go.
(09:16):
I'm not going. I think mostmost of the wrestling audience and even most
of your your peers, as anyother wrestlers, are gonna, like,
you know, Riddle gets the mulliganfor sure, at least in my you
know what I mean, Like there'sno reason to be suspicious or anything otherwise.
So like, yeah, you geta mulligan. Thanks, Bobby,
(09:39):
you got you got it, yougot it. Yeah. So you brought
up MLW, and that's kind ofbeen the place you and I are both
working there, that's been one ofthe places where I've seen you most often.
(10:00):
And yeah, it's been you know, it's it's been good. Good
see you, good catching up withyou. And you know, it's kind
of interesting that we're both in MLWat this point. We're both doing the
more independent hustle. We're gonna callit because it is. It's a hustle
man. Yeah, I mean,oh no, Since my release, I've
(10:26):
just been trying to keep the schedulepacked in full, and I've noticed the
best way to keep it packed infull is by taking indie dates and certain
dates, but they're not you know, signing contracts, because then you're kind
of stuck or stuck at one placeand can't work other places. It's always
good to have, at least forme, keep a door that opens both
(10:50):
ways, you know. Yeah,yeah, I feel like most contracts just
in general people you know, it'san accomplishment for sure, you know,
you got to be good enough toget offered get a contract. But at
the same time, most contracts arevery one sided. Yeah, you know.
People don't just give you money fornothing, you know. So I
(11:11):
think when you know your value,know your worth, you're going to make
those decisions, you know, andthe experience you know. But at the
end of the day, you know, everybody has their own strategy, their
own way of doing things, andif it's successful and successful, if it's
not, it's not and you kindof just learn from your mistakes or your
(11:33):
your wins, you know, onehundred at this point, because we've known
each other. Uh so I knewyou before wwe before, you know,
we we were very familiar with eachother during the come up, you know,
(11:54):
the PWG Days and all that stuff. So how much different or how
similar was it to be? Imean, let's face it, we were
both at least for like a thebetter part of a decade under contract to
somebody. Yeah, so coming backto independent and like, how similar or
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how different is it to those likelet's say those like PWG Days where you
know, we would wrestle Lisita,And I think it's it's similar, but
it's different. You know, it'ssimilar because there's some shows or some crowds
or some buildings, venues areas thatjust run a little hotter. Also,
(12:46):
it depends on where you are onthe show, what kind of show it
is, you know. But yeah, it really depends. You know,
there's been a MLW shows with thehouse is bumping, and then there's been
other shows I've been on where thehouse for the most part, if I'm
working, I've I've been doing prettywell. Most of the crowds I work
in are pretty sold out. Yeah, Like since I joined MLW, they
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haven't had a not sold out showsince January. That's awesome. So I
think that's good. And oh no, So it's like it depends on where
you work. Don't get me wrong. There's other shows I've also done where
maybe they only have room for threehundred or four hundred yeas, but they
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sell it out, you know,and then people are there like, oh,
I was there the other day.It wasn't sold out. It was
like ten people. You know.I was like, Oh, that's brutal,
but like, and that's not everytime. There's been shows where it
sells three hundred and it's like it'sonly two fifty. But for the most
part, when I'm there, it'sthe shows sell very well and I do
(13:52):
the meet and greets and everything likethat, and it's just been just killing
it really Yeah. But then there'ssummers that me and greets like they got
in Chicago. I did it andit was and Mystico was there. Mystico
was super over with that audience andthat part of Chicago. Oh yeah yeah.
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And then afterwards, you know,but I felt like people didn't even
know me. I felt like theywatched more Lutrador, you know, like
cmll well was that the Chicago wherethey did it was MLW the one that
we both Yeah, they did thepay per view and they did I don't
know if they were tapings or whatthey were, but it was kind of
(14:35):
a dual taping or you know,a portion of it was live pay per
view. But yeah, I mean, I guess for me coming back to
independent wrestling, the biggest maybe notthe biggest change, but the change at
(14:58):
least the trend that I'm starting tonotice, and like I don't even like
talking about it, really I'm goingto because it's the thing that I noticed
the most. It's kind of anegative and I don't want to like paint
a poor picture, but it's likeeverybody gets to see how the donuts are
(15:22):
made, like literally everyone, liketo the point where I've been, you
know, backstage. I don't know, there was a time where backstage was
a bit more of a selective croudwhere nowadays it's like the line between fan
(15:48):
and backstage whatever is just it's one. It's either not like policed at all
or too it's maybe just too relaxed. And I get that, like fans
want as much access as they canget, and rightfully so, because I
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would want it to. But therecomes a point where like you don't want
to show them exactly how the donutsare made, like you you want there
to still like you as a fanas a kid. You know, to
now be on this side of yourcareer, you know, it tarnishes a
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little bit of your fandom as akid, you know, if you look
back at to be fair, ifyou were a kid, and you you
know, I really think these guysare one hundred percent come on, like,
it's pro wrestling. I love it. But there's a difference between like
a box and fight kickboxing wrestling matchand as they oh, that's not exciting
at all, really, and yougot the showmanship and everything else, and
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it's extremely physical and you're basically doinglike super moves to each other. You
know. It's like, so Ithink, I don't know. So I
guess it depends on who you are, and I guess it does tarnish it.
But I think there's also an artin it in itself, you know.
I do like and and this isstill true to this day, when
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you can blur the lines of realand not real, and it doesn't matter
if it's in the ring. Ifyou wrestle good, that's one thing,
but it's the blur and if you'regood enough, because I'd be like,
I can wrestle good enough to blurit. But to have a good enough
promo or good enough storyline so peopleactually think we don't like each other and
we can actually be hostile towards eachother. That's completely different, if that
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makes you know, if that makessense, especially with like seth rolls.
You know, when I had thatstoryline and he called me like a deadbeat
dad and that's why my wife leftme, and this and the other thing.
It's like people for you know,they felt that they're like, oh
no, like right, people getblur that lines and even like but like
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and even like talking trash about somebody'swrestling, like right now, and this
isn't anock towards anybody or anything thathappens because things happen in the ring.
Botches happen all the time. Sure, say like Beyonce and Jay were to
turn on one another, I wouldsay, like Beyonca should mention how she
messed that up at the castle andreally that's what costs of the match or
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what have you, And that wouldbe a huge thing. You've made something
that was real, right, notpart of the story. And now there's
that animosity, you know. Andsometimes it's saying something really personal that hurts
or something or it's something like assimple as a botch in the ring,
you're calling out your teammate for slippingup. I love the more blurry the
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line is, and I think itis it's taking it advantage of something that
wasn't necessarily meant to be there,but presents itself. So you're only hurting
your yourself and your storyline if youdon't take advantage of it. I think
what I was trying to get atwith the locker room thing has more to
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do with the fans or the likein the locker room. Yeah, yeah,
that that and like the fact that, like you now have, for
the most part, everybody wants tobe in the know, Like nobody wants
to be a mark. Right so, but if if we're for going by
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the the definition of what these thingsare, nobody wants to be the mark.
Everybody wants to be smart, andit's like everybody can't be smart or
there's no one to buy the ticket. And that's where it starts to get
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a little like incestuous to me.And then you have fans saying things like,
oh, I love your heel work, and you know, just using
inside baseball terminology that I think ithurts the business too, Like it's just
just enjoy wrestling for what it is, and like do yourself the favor and
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the industry the favor of, likeingesting the material that you're paying for,
the material that the writers write,the storylines, as opposed to you know,
the dirt sheet bullshit. Because thedirt sheet bullshit is like guys like
Meltzer and whomever, like they arenot fucking they don't have sources being checked.
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They can print whatever they want.They don't like that insatiable appetite for
the pro wrestling dirt. Well,this is the unfortunate part about the world
we work in. And like anybodycan say anything true, just like our
storylines. Anybody can say anything.It's it could be real, could not
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be real. It's you know,it's just one of the things. And
I would say this, The onlyproblem is when you claim to be a
reputable source. Now I don't haveany problems with really it's pro wrestling.
At this point. I'm just likea point where like the things that are
reported on I literally get a haircutand they write articles about it. It
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was just stupid shit at this point, you know, or anything. And
don't get me wrong, I guesswe were pro wrestlers. It's something.
But at the end of the day, I'm just like whatever, you know,
just like you know, I gota car accident. S we I
told a couple of promoters, Isaid, it, can you make a
post about it? Make a postabout it? Of course, there's like
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twenty articles are in about it.It's like sweet, I can even tell
my parents had to post about itand then articles and then my parents find
out even like that way, youknow. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
it's one of those things thinking aboutanybody else would have been able to just
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they call their family right off thebat. I called the person I'm about
to fly to. Yeah, Iknow, it's a different it's it is
what it is. Yeah, Iget that. I get that. Well,
I mean obviously, so you're backto work as of this coming weekend.
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Yeah, I'm going to go backto work. I feel good.
I felt good this past week andI was just taking precautions. You know.
They told me I didn't want togo and like die, and like
told you, so, well,if you die, if you died,
if you died last weekend, thenyou won't make Tampa, right, Yeah,
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well I won't make it to Tampa. Or do you think they'll fly
your dead body to Tampa and liveFlorida. I technically, if I get
cremated in time, they can takemy ashes. I could pick you up,
because I mean I'll be driving.I could just throw you in the
back of the truck and just throwingmy merchandise. Yeah. Yeah, because
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if for some reason you die thisweekend, try not to die far away
from here so that I can stillget you to Tampa. It'll be like
we can't have Bernie's with the brothis weekend. I'm going to Mexico.
Oh no, believe crash and TripleA or doing a show. I believe
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it's a combo show. I'm doingthat and combo so like a combo show,
like sponsored by combos, the likepret and pizza, the pizza.
That'd be awesome. But I dothat and then uh, then Sunday,
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I'm in San Diego. Then homeMonday Sunday night, depending on what time
the show is. I'm not surewho you got in San Diego. Personal
Oh absolutely, it's absolutely from whatI've been told, it's a kid's birthday.
Oh nice, doing all the thingswe we have never been like.
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I've never been afraid to call uswhat we are. Like I would tell
my kids, like, yeah,just your father's a professional liar. And
the other thing that has been saidabout us many times that we're all basically
prostitutes. Like well, if youpay the price for free, you know
you to travel. Yeah, exactly. Really that's a good way to put
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it. Travel between accidents and airportsecurity. Yeah's the real pain in the
ass. Well. I was justtelling these guys before you got on on
the call, just how much youstart to value your time As we were
talking about a mutual friend of oursthat that kept wasting my time, and
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I was like, you know,just the amount of time that if I
think about it in the twenty fiveyear professional career that I've had, like
the amount of time I've wasted inairports on layovers or at hotels away from
my family or you know, justso like, yeah, I if I
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don't prioritize my time, who who'sgoing to Yeah, don't get me started.
Yeah I get it. I getmy favorite part about the indies right
now, Like I cantrol how busymy schedule is. Yeah, nothing wrong
with that. I haven't had thatluxury since I was probably like twenty one
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or twenty two years old. Evenbefore that, wrestling in college and everything
like that. Yeah, you know, then fighting professionally, and then finally
yeahs a pro wrestler. Yeah.Yeah, you've certainly picked a few outside
the box careers to pursue. Yeah, she's just them golf. I'm gonna
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focus everything into golf. I'd probablybe really good and I'd probably just make
bank. You think, could youimagine? I mean, man, that'd
be gets gold right there, justmarketing a lot. You got golf that
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I would have killed it. Inever imagine, dude, I'm a stallion.
Imagine I never would have took abump and just trained all the time.
I would just be like, youdon't think you don't think your body
was kind of meant to take bumWell, I feel like my body was
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definitely meant for like fighting and scrapping. And they just got done doing jiu
jitsu and feel amazing when live roundslike for like thirty forty minutes straight.
You know, So, were youteaching tonight or were you trained them?
I teach, I teach and train, you know. Yeah, that's that's
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the way. Yeah, Well,they say, especially with jiu jitsu is
when you start teaching jiu jitsu,you become a much better jiu jitsu player
as well. I think so too. But even with striking, I feel
like when I started teaching like fundamentalstrikeing and stuff, just by default,
you know, you're teaching somebody,and when it's looking wrong, you're tweaking
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and and you're looking at you andI agree. You know, iron sharpens
iron. I agree, man,I agree. I've lately been doing a
good amount of striking again myself,and uh teaching a little bit to others
Muay Thai or boxing, and Iconcur man, I feel like the more
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time I spend doing it, alot of it. At this point,
I'm doing, you know, bymyself, but then in preparation I feel
more prepared. So yeah, Ithink you're right. Yeah, thank you?
Right, Frank? Uh where whereelse are we? Uh? What?
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What? What questions might you havefor mister riddle? Is it true
you beat up John Jones twice inhigh school? I place higher? So
we were in the same tournament twotimes, and I pinned the guy that
beat him twice. So every timeI wrestled the guy you never made to
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the finals to me and I alwaysbeat the guy that beat him. But
I've I've rolled with him, andat that time, I felt like I
would probably take his lunch money.Now John Jones would probably take my house.
You know. You know, he'sdefinitely he's probably the greatest mixed martial
artists that ever lived. So butyeah, I think. But at the
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same time, you know, Istill think, you know, that's still
a feather in the cap. Yeah, is that do you think? Do
you think that? Is that youryour mount rushmore of m I l you
know what I mean. I've donesome things, you know, I had
I held like the most strikes landedin the UFC in one round for a
little bit. You know, I'veknocked you know, broken digit. I've
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done things you know that I wouldfeel like a complimhens or like the Mission
of the Knights or Fight of theKnights or you know, or even if
you go to WWE, you know, you know, Wrestledmania a couple of
times, won tag titles, wonthe US titles, won the NXP tag
TLEs. You know, so didyou you know, won the Dusty Cup.
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Yeah, dude, when the tagtitles from you? You did you
did? Yeah, it's okay,okay, yeah, and look at us
now just talking about it. ISo I guess what I was getting at
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was more than that because the listof accomplishment and whatever like and I try
to keep track of this sometimes too, especially when people ask about, you
know, just career questions, likeit has it's it's provided us a pretty
charmed existence. So like, Itry to be grateful for that though,
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all of those instances good and bad. But I guess I was just like
getting at what your if you youhad a Mount Rushmore of martial artists,
uh, and present included what thatmight look like like? Would it would
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definitely include John Jones based on oh, we're going mixed martial arts, Noll
Rushmore. I guess because I forthe greatest combat athletes. I'm saying kind
of overall, because you and Iboth know martial arts before it was just
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you know, the UFC that themodern day what people would think of when
they think of mixed martial arts ormartial arts in general. Like I'm talking
to include some of the because Iknow my Mount Rushmore would include some of
the ogs like my rush My MountRushmore is mostly older guys. Okay,
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I would say like your mind wouldbe probably fad Or would be GSP,
would be John Jones, and thenprobably Anderson Silva when he was in his
prime. Well, how many peopleare on Mount Rushmore for but oh shit,
I got one more? Yeah,you gotta have one. And then
I would say in his prime,heyday, Chuck letdel You just remember him
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just getting knocked out a bunch oftimes at the end of his career.
Well that's the sad part of it. That is the sad part. But
the guy was like literally the icemanand dominic Grampach Jackson could be on there
too, you know, yeah,yeah, but now there's a bunch of
new facts. I feel like peoplewould now put Connor on there. But
also depends on how you look atit, Like if you look at how
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much money somebody makes, you know, that's one thing I feel like with
me, it's like aura, Likeeven Vandali Silva might be there for me,
because like the guys known as theAxe Murderer and when he was in
Pride, dude, yeah, hewas freat killing people, like just straight
up like he looked like just looksso vicious. He beat people to a
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pole. You know, the samething with crow Cop. You know,
it's hard and just who like who? You liked that because all those guys
are great and all in their prime, like when they were on their run
were almost unstoppable. Debt was almostunstoppable for a minute. And then the
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same thing with Rampage, and samething with Henderson for a minute, and
same thing with you know, everybodyhas that run and you know Connor even
you know Kobev definitely, But thenthere's guys like GSP, Like GSP is
definitely probably number one, and GeorgeJohn Jones is one GSPS two in my
book, you know, because yougot two guys that like have beat in
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everybody GSPS, like redeemed all ofhis losses and be and everybody came back
and won a middleweight title, youknow, out of retirement. You know.
So if Kabeb comes back and winssomething else, like beats another top
guy then leaves, that's I'll sayhe's he's in that top three too,
because I think a hard thing todo. I can't see that eund I
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mean especially I don't know why youwould Why take the risk, why take
the chance? Right well, andafter three oh two, I think uh
osmon Eric I think I'm saying thename wrong. Uh, the one that
beat poorer. Yeah, uh heyou know, he's just kind of solidified
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as the guy. And uh,I think for Kabebe that's that's as far
as well. I think I thinkhe trains them of his guy like loses
and loss again, he's like,I want Kabe Then I didn't do it.
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You didn't know that's the storyline.Well, I think that that's the
thing that more than anything, thatthe difference between the two and what's missing
from uh what was it that VinceMcMahon was famous for saying, like,
if you can't control the outcomes,you cannot build a star, and like
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you can harder. Yeah, simlike that star has gotta win well,
because the thing is is you're goingto put you know, time is finite,
right, and like everybody's time intheir athletic prime is you know,
measured, and it's got an explorationday and it's going to happen to everyone.
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And I think with MMA it's eveneven tenfold because and you would be
able to speak on this better thanI would, but the length of like
the prime of a mixed martial artist'scareer seems to be that window seems to
be super short, Like I woulddare to say, I don't know,
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is it three years? Four years? But would you I would agree with
pro wrestling in a sense too,only x amount of people say like the
primely like fighting UFC right or thetop company and getting paid top money as
a yeah, that's a short periodof time forever. Yeah, But except
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for like it's select few, rightand saving and pro wrestling. Most people
don't like at WW. Most peopledon't work there twenty years. Most people
work there. It's like a coupleof years, three to five years,
and that's that, you know.So it's I think it's just, you
know, it's a lestman. Somepeople come back, you know, some
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people like Andrea Lobski is in theUFC good then lost, then fought his
way back, and you know,and others have as well. There's countless
cases. So it's like, youknow, it's just just the nature of
the beast, you know, whenit comes to this, and unless you
just keep winning and you're on top. But you know, everybody has a
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dip and dive once in a while. It's just hard to keep it going
to that dip and dive, right, You got to navigate the rough patches
the same way you have to theyou know, valleys or whatever you want
to call it. Here here's thequestion that I've always had. I kind
of want to see what your thoughtsare on this. So like the way
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that I look at pro wrestling andMMA like nowadays, especially from when like
you were still fighting or the guysthat we mentioned previously, the Chuck Liddell's
and another one that I'll add tothat is BJ penn J Pennon guys are
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selling right, So guys like thatfrom that time to now, the evolution
of M m A has been likealmost unrecognizable, right it isn't it isn't.
I'll tell you this. You watcha fight, Sony throws the straight
left or right hand down the sunny, they're still get knocked out. Yeah,
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we know what it is. It'stiming seeing you know. But like
you got to just be in yourpro There's certainly part of examples, I
say, like a Connor Well.I remember seeing Connor ripped through people in
the UFC. I was like,this is like these are works I just
wouldn't be happy. But then ifyou look at the dude was just he
hits really hard with his left hand. He's a fouthpaw, he's got good
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footwork, and he's really fast.That's it. And dude, it's not
like you did anything crazy. It'snot like you want thirty fights in a
row. He just wont like youknow what I'm saying. Well, dude,
if you're on your prime and you'reon your rip and you're going,
it's hard to be like derailed.Yeah, yeah, so I see then
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the what I see the biggest differenceis now then. And maybe you would
agree or disagree with this, butis that I feel like you could be
really good at one or a fewthings then and get by on sticking mostly
to that where I feel like today'sMMA has gotten to where you need all
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the boxes checked and if if thereis one that's not checked that year at
risk of being exposed. Well,I think all boxes needed to be checked,
even back when I was fighting.But you're right, I think if
somebody had a certain level at something, you know. But I'll say this
now, when you get anyway,when you get in like the top ten,
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top twenty, that's one thing,you know. But like if you're
talking like some like fights on theweekend or just people starting to pro career.
You know, there's still some wigglefrom there because most people have a
background saying it rust yeah. Youknow. They take bow Nickel for example,
Bo Nickel, top guy in theUFC right now, and he he
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hasn't been fighting that long. No, no, and he's extremely well rounded,
and it's like, how did thathappen? It is like, you
wrestled, but he wrestled. Idon't big level, and his jiu jitsu
picked up and his striking's pretty good. But that's just a dude in his
prime, super athletic stallion. Knowswhat he's doing, knows what to think,
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He's mentally prepared. You know,it's like, dude, it's just
dude. There was probably a timein your life where you were like,
dude, somebody hit me in thehead of the brick. I turned around
and knock him out, And it'slike, dude, that's the kind of
attitude you have to have when youfind like you get that level and like,
let's be honest, you now,if I said I was going to
hit you in the head of thebrick, you're gonna do anything. He's
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like, no, dude, don'thit me with a brick, you know,
like but like there's a time whenyou're like in your prime, You're
like I can kill everybody and everything. That's the time, you know,
at least as a professional fighter,at least for me, you know,
right, Well maybe not everybody,but definitely is the thing. And I
can see where like bow Nickel hasbeen performing at that top level all the
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way through college whatever, Like it'sjust part of who he is at this
point. So it makes total sense. The reason why I'm even getting into
this conversation is to then visit anotherlike theory that I kind of have on
pro wrestling, And the difference betweenthe two is that, you know,
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because you have to check all theboxes with MM at this point or you
risk being exposed. I feel likepro wrestling in its own way has suffered
from performers not so much needing tobut wanting to check all the boxes because
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our business is what it is,dials are what make the matches interesting.
So yeah, have a Keith Leeversus a Matt Riddle, you know,
you you have a Bronze Stroman versusRay Masterio or like, it's just the
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differences is and the way that eachperformer uses their strengths or weaknesses to get
the job done, or you know, what makes them susceptible to certain offense
or whatnot. Is what makes prowrestling, in my opinion, cool.
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So if if you are the youknow, if you are blessed with the
kind of size that like let's sayMoose has or Keith Lee or what,
I don't know if you know,I just don't know if the moon salts
and all that other stuff are necessary. Now I'm not saying you need to
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work just as a big mean butif if you can knock me down,
you're wrestling me, and you canknock me down with a punch, at
no point do you need to thenhit me with a drop kick to knock
me down, because you don't needto leave your feet. But if you
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if Keith Lee is wrestling Moose andneither one of them are able to knock
each other down, well, nowthere's a reason why you gotta leave your
feet to knock that person down.Yeah, and I think that man gets
lost in the traffic of what itis to like. Okay, it's pro
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wrestling. So just because you cando something doesn't mean you should do something.
Probably, you know, I thinkit just depends on who you are.
I would say, it doesn't reallymake sense. You know, Keith
Lee shouldn't necessarily have to drop kickme at the getting of a match.
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But at the same time, KeithLee can do drop kicks very easily and
he wants to do it, andthe crowd reacts. Who am I to
say no? You know, soI kind of look at it like that.
I would say, if I wasbigger, I'd probably do the more
crazy stuff. Just like even now, I don't do like crazy dives to
the floor every match, but ifit's a bigger match, like say,
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if I'm in Japan for a championship, I'm probably gonna do a dive to
the concrete floor, you know.But it's like, but if I'm like
not, you know, and it'sa dodgy situation, probably not gonna do
anything too crazy out there. Youknow. It's says you got to take
precautions and take risk when you should. Yeah, I get it, I
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know what you're saying. THO wouldbecause like say, like if I was
bigger, I probably wouldn't hit amoon salt off the top except for like
twice a year. So when Idid do it, it could be at
a bigger pay per view or whateverif I was working that skin. Then
again, if you're not at thatlevel, it's like, what's the point
of like holding back and waiting.You might as well let the world see
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what you got. Well, itall depends. I guess my point is
more this is because you know,you and I are both working more independently.
Now, I'm getting to see alot of wrestling and a lot of
like I don't know how to categorizeit, but a lot of like wrestling
on the come up still, Andwhat I've the overwhelming impression that I keep
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getting is that like everybody's doing thesame stuff. And so you have some
of these promoters that you know,they're they're putting on a show and they
want to get everybody on the card, so they have like ten matches and
like majority of the matches go overon time because there's nobody like enforcing you
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know, you have to stick toyour times or whatever. And then I
feel like I'm watching some of thisstuff and it's a lot of the same
stuff. And that's the thing isif you watch the UFC, you get
a lot of the same stuff too, Like a Kimora, a guillotine.
You know, there's only so manyways to throw a headkick, but for
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them, they have to be thatway. We are still you know,
a video game come to life.We're still teking, We're still a street
fighter, you know. Like That'swhat I think is the difference and why
a fan should tune in is tosee the way that a ray mystereo interacts
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with a Bam Bam Bigelow or KeithLee or a like. I don't know,
I just think that sometimes we missthat part of it. And when
we miss that part of it,it's like we you know, we're hurting
ourselves. Hopefully not too bad,right, not like a gunshot wound,
(47:57):
but maybe definitely Like sweet knife,have you ever been stamped? Yeah?
You have one, so of thepucket knife in the chest. Oh how
old were you when this happened?Old enough to he And the one time
(48:20):
there was like a servinge fork ora fork thrown at me and it's stuck
in my rib like you know,like a spear. Wow, that's almost
biblical, Like I've been here.He created eve from his rib, no,
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you know, and the thing isgoing to happen, you know,
like deer gazelle like buck around tryingto like get it out. You don't
have like hands. That's exactly whatI did. It's like I was he
jerked around, gazelle. I'm not, but I imagine it is the natural
reaction most mammals have when they getharpooned. It must be fair. Did
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shake out so you could maybe insteadof the stallion you become a gazelle,
the zeal dude. Maybe? Yeah, Well we'll get there. Yeah,
get there so, yeah, we'llI'll see in Tampa a couple of weeks.
Dude. Yeah, man, lookingforward to it. We have the
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battle, right, I'm a stallion. I get to claim that title.
Shot. So you do you getready for the new heavyweight MLW champion?
Yeah? You owned the battle.Nice. No, we'll see. Yeah.
Did you want to ask me something? No? You sure? How
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much fish is buddy? Fish?Fry buy fish? Good fry fish?
Speaking of which are we doing?There's a fish cooking show. Fish you
can Cook. Doesn't have to bea show. It can be like a
one time thing. No, Ithink it should be a show. Why
I think? I mean we couldcook some fish at least once. Yeah,
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I think it. Yeah, maybea talk show segment or something on
the show, and you're cook allthe time, dude, Listen. I've
had some ideas too. I've beenthinking about it. I lately, I've
been, uh, I've toyed withthe idea of a wrestling barefoot myself,
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and recently I've been looking into likea lot of like foot issues and what
shoes have done to retard our feet. So I purchased recently something that I
think should make their way onto thebros merch table. Now what I going
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to say? Those feet shoes things? Are you? Well, I need
the foot shoes things. I've seenthem, my cup of tea. I'm
mostly barefoot, not that Bobby whatMy phone's probably gonna die? So yeah,
anyway, we're gonna cut this out. Get a good final conclusion.
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Okay instead of toe spacers, brospacers. I love it. It's signed.
Let's do it. I'll put pento paper and this has been This
has been a great chat. Thankyou everybody. Miss Matt Riddle. Oh
(51:53):
yeah, find me on Instagram andTwitter and m l W and all the
indie shows next to go here Ishows everything but one of them at least
once. So hell yeah, allright, thank you sir, thank you,
(52:13):
night man, Matthew. And likethat he's gone and the show is
a rap. All right, that'sgood that I didn't mean that kind of
wrap, Frank, Yeah, awesome, that's good. All right. The
Bobby Fish Let's see Bobbyfish Apparel dotcom. Uh, Bobby Fish Booking seven
(52:37):
at gmail dot com to book theProfessor July twelfth, MLW in I don't
know if technically we're in Saint Petersburgor Tampa. I'm almost I'm pretty sure
it's Saint Pete. Yeah, theyfor't sure MLW on their ex page or
(53:04):
anywhere else. Figure what they're gonnabe there? You go, Yeah,
yeah, you know what I wastelling you where they're gonna be. Look
at your damn self looking everything.Ye can't exactly do what we're supposed to
do here, that's true. Hey, this weekend h family vacation, vacation.
(53:32):
Yeah, we're not going far,but that's right. Yeah, time
together is all that really matters.Yes, I was listening, I was
paying attention, and we need Frank, anything for you No, nothing,
okay, perfect me either. Onthat note, sayod night, Bobby,
(53:55):
Good night, Bobby
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