August 16, 2024 • 44 mins
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This week on The Undisputed Podcast w/Bobby Fish they remember Kevin Sullivan. Bobby shares a few stories of his limited interaction with Kevin, they talk about his in ring work and his impact on the industry behind the scenes.
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This week on The Undisputed Podcast w/Bobby Fish they remember Kevin Sullivan. Bobby shares a few stories of his limited interaction with Kevin, they talk about his in ring work and his impact on the industry behind the scenes.
Thank you for listening and we hope you enjoy our tribute to the late Kevin Sullivan.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
The most educated professional professor him see the show, and
I mean, folks, where's the line?
Speaker 2 (00:15):
It's time for the Undiscried Podcast with Bobby Fish.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
Hello, Hello, hello, hello.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
Oh man, I that a dreaming troop. That felt good,
that felt right in the pocket.
Speaker 4 (00:28):
Right good? Good?
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Great? This is the uh sleepy edition. That's actually every
every edition is a sweet edition.
Speaker 4 (00:38):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
How's the weekend?
Speaker 4 (00:42):
Who are you talking to me? Or Dennis Show?
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Yeah, that's start with you.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
Okay, it was good.
Speaker 5 (00:50):
I went to.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Alabama. Actually it didn't start good. Oh, it started very
bad thanks to American Airlines. Oh yes, So I went
to sleep with the expectation that I would get up
(01:14):
to make a six am flight in Orlando to Miami,
which meant that I had to be up by three
to make the hour drive.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
You know.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Didn't want to take any chances on my way there.
I see in my notifications that my flight has been changed.
So I look, and my flight was changed, but it
was changed to Sunday. Oh and it was Saturday. And
(01:50):
not only was it changed to Sunday, but it was
changed to fly from Pensacola to Miami and then Miami
to Orlando, which is fine for Sunday if I was
in Pensacola. But because my flight on Saturday was moved
(02:17):
to Sunday, I'm no longer in Pensacola. No, right, right?
So I called American Airlines and the guy I was
on the phone with the guy from American Airlines, it's
an hour for me to drive to Orlando, literally the
entire drive.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
Oh your god.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
He finally gets me set up on a flight for
that morning. Because I was now debating whether I would
just drive the seven hours to Pensacola. He gets me
set up on a flight. Now instead of going Pensacola
to Miami, or instead of going Orlando to Miami, Miami
(02:58):
to Pensacola, he had going from Orlando to Philadelphia, Philadelphia
to Penxtacola. And he's still on nothing wrong with this,
And I'm thinking to myself, like, sir, but don't you
understand about the original flight wasn't leaving the state of Florida.
(03:24):
Now we're going to another state, in another region of
the country just to come back to Florida.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
Who is creating that flight? Who you know what's gonna do.
Let's go on a miamid to Philadelphia and then turn
the some bitch around and come bight back to Stay
of Florida. Who did that?
Speaker 1 (03:42):
I don't know. But I get to the airport finally,
and I tell you, the people that work for American,
it's like they're not at work. It's like there's standing
there in their uniform but and they're getting paid.
Speaker 6 (04:07):
But so so you would think the expectation would be
like I have to you know, like I have to
perform like customer service and whatnot, but they don't act
as if that's what.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
They're there to do. So four people behind the counter,
only one person is waiting on someone and this is
the the American Airlines like help.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
Desk where check in is.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
The three people. I go up to one and she
eventually tells me that she she can't help me because
I only had my confirmation code. I didn't have something
else that she was requesting. And she said, well, you know,
you'll have to go to her. And her was the
person who was helping somebody else and was the only
(05:07):
other person like doing anything that was working, and the
other two that were standing behind. So I went and
I stood in the line with the one employee that
was serving another customer and the other three sat there
and talked while I stared holes in them. So all right.
(05:33):
Then I finally get up to the thing and the
woman helps me. She gets me a flight instead of Philadelphia.
Now I'm going to Charlotte and then Charlotte back to Pensacola.
But at least, you know, I mean, at least it
was in California, like the first one.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
I don't understand, Michelle is playing. I don't understand why
it's going out of state.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
Listen, I don't. I don't know. I at at one
point they offered me a discounted flight where they were
actually gonna shoot me out of a cannon. But because
I couldn't bring my carry on, I was like, no,
I can't. I have to wrestle when I get there,
and I can't wrestle on my street clothes.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
You got, okay.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
So anyway, that's how my that's how my day started.
Interestingly enough, there was another interaction I had at one
of my stops, I think it was Charlotte, where I
had to go to the customer service desk for American
(06:41):
Airlines that literally said over the woman's head, like I
wish you could take in a picture. Customer assistance and
she's sitting there. She had a mask on, and you know,
I see them and it is what it is. It's like,
you know, COVID's over, but whatever, not for me to judge.
But anyway, the look on her face, even with the
(07:04):
mask covering everything with this, you could tell, was like,
don't bother me, Like, don't you dare think I'm at
work because I'm behind this desk and in my uniform.
So of course I go up and I need her assistance.
(07:25):
And I don't even remember what it ended up being
or amounting to. It was non consequential, however, just it
did not get lost on me how little she was
there for like working, Like I'm here just to breathe
there and wear this mask.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
I'm not here.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
It's like, lady, you are in customer service.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Like if you don't want to deal with the public,
you might need to get a different job.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
Oh that's seller.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Yeah, But anyway, I get to Uh, I get to
Pensacola and drive to Alberta, Alabama and have a wrestling
seminar and then I did some wrestling that night. Uh
seminar went well, Wrestling that night went well.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Everything everything was good, man, Everything was good. Alberta, Alabama.
Definitely small town, but good people.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
It was fun nice on the way back that you
go from Pete Cola to Seattle, Washington, back to Orlando.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
So I had an offer at the airport. They said,
we can let you know of what your itinerary is,
take your chances because it's it's you know, it's a doozy,
or we can kick you below the belt and then
(09:05):
send you on your way. And I said, yeah, just
kick me below the belt. I'll take this, I'll take
the blow blow. The way back was it was just
a layover where what the layover was in Miami, which
uses But then again, you're in the airport, dude. It
(09:27):
never ceases to amaze me that the gouging that is
allowed in this country. Like you go to the airport
and what costs seven bucks outside of the airport is
now thirteen dollars. Yeah, it's insane. And it's like, okay,
(09:49):
so we've got you here and that you can't go,
you can't go out of bounds, and it just seems
un something well i'd like to say on an American,
but no, that's very American. Yes, we're gonna keep you here.
We're gonna fence you in and then we're either if
(10:12):
if if you're if people are able to hunt you,
we're gonna fence you in so that you can't run
away and we're gonna kill you. That's what we do
to like like you know the hunting ranges where it's
like private land.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
Yeah, rich people hunting.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Yeah, it's like, I mean, so again, very American to
do such a thing, but it's it's kind of the
same thing at the airport, like we're gonna keep you here,
We're going to deprive you of as much as we can,
and then we're going to gouge you when we provide
(10:55):
you the things that you might want, like like some
water we're gonna keep We're gonna charge you seventy five
dollars for that. Maybe not quite that much, but you
can't get a shred of food in the airport for
less than twelve bucks.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
No, I can't.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
And twelve dollars is like I think, yeah, well the
twelve dollars, I think. I think you get more when
you go to math and you go up and you
get the what they call it the communion. Yeah, yeah, communion.
Speaker 5 (11:36):
It's not bread.
Speaker 4 (11:36):
It's like a wafer. It's like a cracker any body
of Christ.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Yes, technically it is the body of Christ, right right,
so more filling than the less filling than the body
of Christ. But yeah, so that was that was the Yeah,
that was my weekend. I'd made it back in one piece.
Speaker 4 (11:59):
And good news. Everything's good.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
I always got confused with connecting flights and flight patterns
and the fact that you flew from Pensacola past Orlando,
uh to Miami mm hmm, and.
Speaker 4 (12:12):
Then back to Orlando, which is always weird. But hm,
I never understood that. I don't get it either. But
I flew when we flew out to California and we
had to fly down to d C and then fly
to California. But yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
Hogan flew us up to Florida. We went to Vegas first.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Hogan fo Hulk Cogan or Tom Hogan. You don't know
Tom Hogan?
Speaker 3 (12:55):
Should I I think?
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Kid? Yeah? Yeah, so Tommy Hogan's a county legend.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
And sounds familiar. You don't know, all.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
Right, Well, maybe he was the locker boulevard legend Josh Green.
Josh Green would know who he is. Happy and Richie
Bogartists would know who he is, and Michael Crowley would
know Crowley.
Speaker 4 (13:33):
Thanks, Frank key Guard, Yeah, oh god, I hope he is.
That's mean.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
Well, uh, I mean some of the other stuff we've
said about former classmates is not any better.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
So yeah, we're gonna end up getting lynched by Joe
Howard and Richie Bougueidis and Frank's Jim buddy.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
Who's your gym buddy?
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Hey?
Speaker 5 (14:00):
Hey, oh no, you're going to hell.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
Probably he served, he served our countryvura.
Speaker 4 (14:16):
Correct, Yeah, well you're not just a ventura.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
I would never were politicians well spoken, gentleman hall the
Hall of Fame. I don't think so.
Speaker 5 (14:26):
You.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
So your issue with said person is he gets tongue tied,
his tongue gets a little heavy the needles, his tongue
starts to feel like lead.
Speaker 4 (14:48):
I'm just giving up on that.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Okay, we should get we should get this business here.
What's going on?
Speaker 3 (14:57):
What's going on is actual form with the Black over
the weekend?
Speaker 4 (15:02):
Really?
Speaker 5 (15:05):
Wait, what did you perform on them? I didn't performed
on them.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
I DJ on Saturday, but that was not with new
Kids on the Block. Did you say I performed with
the new kids?
Speaker 1 (15:20):
I thought you said, you performed on them.
Speaker 4 (15:27):
Yeah, I didn't do any of that. I was at
the show. I did go to the New Kids concert.
Did they ask you to get on stage? No, turns
out they don't even know who I am. It's weird.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
Well that's available.
Speaker 4 (15:46):
No, it's not. Pretty sure they don't know who I am.
It's not like they saw me in the crowd went
there is that a lie?
Speaker 1 (15:55):
Lie lies.
Speaker 4 (15:58):
Erroneous didn't happen. I'm pretty sure they don't know any
of us. Probably, but it was a it was a
good show. We'll leave it at that. We have a
dedication to get to do we not?
Speaker 5 (16:13):
Did they play all their hits?
Speaker 4 (16:15):
Yeah? No, Yeah they were on stage for I think
like an hour and a half two.
Speaker 5 (16:19):
Hours, okay, singing and dancing, yeah, you.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
Know, doing all kinds of boy bandy stuff.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
We should be a boy band.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
No, we shouldn't. None of us can sing well, let's
put it that way. No one can sing that. No
one can sing well, people are gonna want to.
Speaker 4 (16:41):
Hear that ship.
Speaker 5 (16:42):
Hey, do do boy bands?
Speaker 1 (16:45):
He said they were doing all sorts of boy bandy stuff.
Speaker 5 (16:47):
Do boy bands?
Speaker 4 (16:48):
Ever? I'll keep each other. So you didn't have a
chance to ask, I.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
Mean, that would just be a different kind of show, right.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
Zone Bill awkward award show.
Speaker 4 (17:03):
Yeah, I mean if you.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
Brought if you like, if you brought your kids, Yeah,
that might get a little awkward.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
I'm pretty sure even if my kids weren't there and
they started doing that on stage, I'd probably go, this
is kind of weird. We should go.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
Yeah, yeah, that would be that would be weird.
Speaker 5 (17:24):
That was like.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Tonight, the night that Punk wore the uh pro Choice
T shirt and I had we had to explain to
We just had to have a conversation with well. But
it would have been a totally different conversation. If you know,
like he started to Tony Khane like that, I would.
Speaker 4 (17:49):
Have been I would think, So that's two very different conversations.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
Yeah, that would have been a little different.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
How would I navigated that conversation? No, I have no idea.
Speaker 4 (17:59):
I don't know. By the way, we'll go out there
and say and put it on record, there's nothing wrong
with any of this. We just know I don't want
to go to a concert and see that on stage. No, No,
I don't. What you do behind closed doors with your
personal life is none of my business.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
Yeah, I pushed the envelope. I'm the king of inappropriate conversation.
Speaker 4 (18:24):
Nice, nothing wrong, nothing wrong? Yeah, body humor? Oh body armor?
Speaker 1 (18:33):
Oh well that I mean we could start our own like,
body armor is a clothing brand. Correct, doesn't drink?
Speaker 4 (18:42):
Yeah, no, it's under armor is the clothing brand?
Speaker 5 (18:45):
Are you sure body armor is?
Speaker 1 (18:47):
No?
Speaker 4 (18:47):
Body armor is a hydration thing.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
Oh, drink, it's sports he drink coconut water and all
kinds of other flavors.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Let's start our own cold under armor here idea. And
it just thinks everything we make thinks like Carl Jones
after Jim class.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
Wow.
Speaker 7 (19:11):
Wow, we've definitely just thrown another that's a deep alumni.
That's a really deep Yeah, if he listens, we've now
added Joe Howard, Richie bogardist Carl Jones, and might care her.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
To Carl the truth Jones. Yeah, I have heard that
in thirty five years.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
Yeah at least, Wow, right, she's gonna get weird out
of next high school reunion.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
Yeah, I think I think he might be right. Although
Carl wasn't in our class, No, he was a year
ahead of us.
Speaker 5 (19:57):
So we might escape that one and care her was
a year behind us.
Speaker 4 (20:02):
But so was Frank.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
That's true, that is true, right, So one of us
I feel like wasn't supposed to be a year behind us.
Speaker 4 (20:10):
By the way, who would that be? Not Frank?
Speaker 5 (20:19):
Not Frank?
Speaker 4 (20:20):
Mm hmm, I think yes, dude, Mike was my class.
Mike was definitely behind us.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
Maybe he was supposed to.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
Be, yes, because I'll tell you right now, I'm pretty
sure he was in one of my school in one
of my classes at San Creek, and that's when before
we changed classes.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
Do you think maybe that was because of his feathered mullet?
Speaker 4 (20:45):
Possibly?
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Possibly, but he got rid of that high school.
Speaker 4 (20:49):
He could have also been one of many patches on
his jean jacket. Mm hm. Anyway, now that nobody else
is paying attention.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
Yeah, now that we have alienated every wrestling fan that
has tuned in to hear that didn't go to Colony,
do we want to talk about wrestling? Hey, Frank is
the I would say, the floor is yours?
Speaker 4 (21:20):
Frank.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
Well, we we did lose a legend over the weekend
or the last week we did?
Speaker 4 (21:25):
We did?
Speaker 3 (21:26):
I would put this gentleman on the mount rushmore of
Grea's minds in the business, Mister Kevin Sullivan, So no
task master. What were your interactions with the man.
Speaker 5 (21:44):
Mine?
Speaker 1 (21:44):
We're always positive with Kevin Uh, just speaking from like
inside the industry and seeing him crossing paths with him
here and there. Never had the chance to work with
him directly, but talked with him more than once about
working with him. Unfortunately the opportunity did not come through,
(22:10):
and that would have been in the past year that
that he and I spoke. Maybe not the first time,
but we definitely revisited some conversations about trying to come
to work for him. With Uh, I think it's coastal.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
Yeah, there's actually a funny story behind that, because yeah,
we thought he was Ribot started joke with us. I
can't say became not on the wrestling business. He was
jokeing with us, joke with me anyways, because we're you know,
we're trying to navigate through you going there, and he
kept on saying, you got to contact the Brazilian Giant.
Who the hell is the Brazilian Giant?
Speaker 1 (22:50):
Right?
Speaker 3 (22:50):
And you had contented somebody else and they're like, who's
working in that promotion? They're like, yeah, there is no
guy here named the Brazilian Giant. Yeah, and so I
re Kevin mister South. I don't are you sure that's
the person, Todd. It's a Buslian giant. He handled all
the money here. But I think there is a guy there.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
Yeah, I know who it is now, and I actually
I've worked with him at another promotion. So I still
don't understand all of those interactions, but I know whenever
I did see Kevin, I saw him on the road
a few times, and we would always talk and I
(23:35):
think shared similar views of the industry and always talked
about working together somewhere sometime, but unfortunately it did not happen.
So I don't have like a real first hand account
when it comes to work, but I know, like as
(23:57):
a fan growing up, and then he being one of
the first characters that I knew from the nw A.
Speaker 4 (24:08):
I'll talk about this, like.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
The pairing of him with Mike Rotunda and Rick Seiner
the Varsity Club was you know, had an instant impact
on me as a fan. And they did not look
it was like they these don't belong together, what is
(24:34):
this And it was that very like once I got
I saw more of them, it was it was that
contradiction that made them work so well together.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
Because he was.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
The task master Master and he was you know, what
is this guy possessed? Is he like a cult leader?
Speaker 5 (24:59):
What? What the fuck?
Speaker 1 (25:01):
And then you see Rick Steiner and Mike Rotundo and
they're wrestling singlets, they're like letterman jackets, they're college wrestlers,
and they did they were. It was like, Okay, one
of these things is not like the other. But that's
what made it so brilliant because it was like, and
I think what it was. I didn't understand it as
(25:23):
a kid, but I think now as an adult. What
I think what made it so cool was that you
didn't know if if they were like under his spell,
like were they somewhat possessed by him?
Speaker 5 (25:34):
You know how like cult leaders.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
Traditionally they have some sort of like spell over their followers.
And this is perceived or real or whatever you want
to call.
Speaker 4 (25:47):
It, but.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
It without saying it, that's where my imagination went, and
I would imagine where a lot of other people's imagination
went without it being said. They didn't do like a
vignette where it was like, oh my god, he's possessed
them or something. It wasn't like campy like that, but
it was just there pairing alone just suggested, like, what
(26:12):
the hell's going on here? After a couple of weeks.
Speaker 5 (26:19):
Like, I don't know. I just thought it was brilliant.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
I just thought it worked.
Speaker 8 (26:22):
Man, I get this.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
And now I look back, and I think it was
exactly that. I think it was the juxtaposition of who
their characters were that made it work so well, because
it was totally outside the box.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
Yeah, I'm with you there, but I understood it more.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
Frank, Frank, hold on, if you're gonna disagree with me,
I would like for you to remember whose name is
on the show.
Speaker 5 (26:48):
I think I was okay, all right, all right, all right.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
I was gonna say what I was gonna say was
I understood it more when I started watching YouTube videos
of the stuff he was doing with Superstar Billy Graham,
and there's a vignette or a clip of him hitting
a woman who happened happened to be Lunava Seawan dressed
as a reporter.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
I think it was.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
And you gotta think this is like nineteeny three and
he hauls off the Smacks's lady and you're like even now,
You're like, holy shit. But then you look fast forward
to the varsity club stuff. Oh he was a devil
dyke Florida, So it all kind of made sense to
me years later.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
Yeah, I mean, so I don't know the the footage
you're talking about, so I kind of, you know, can't
really comment on it. But I think anytime, you know,
it's a man hitting a woman, it's not gonna age well.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
It doesn't age well for any year you watch it.
I mean, I know a little different now, but man,
he eighty three, Holy Jesus, it wasn't like a powderpuff slap.
He laid into it a little bit like whoof.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
Yeah, and he.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
Also introduced woman Nancy Sullivan beIN lah same time period then,
I mean, they had Stater walk around out of the
beach with snakes. On real life, it was just I'm
watching Man and the Feude with Black Shag Mulligan, Very Windom,
Dusty Road. So there was some it was some pretty
(28:29):
heavy stuff back then.
Speaker 8 (28:31):
Yeah, I think he was.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
He stuck out quite a bit amongst the Southern wrestling
crowd because of that, because he was doing like a
you know, branch Davidian compound sort of cult Jim Jones
sort of, you know. I mean, I'm sure you could
name a few others. It wasn't a carbon copy of
(28:58):
those any of those people in particular, but just kind
of a combination of all things and that I know,
like in the seventies and some in the eighties even nineties,
and I mean, I'm sure if we think about it,
there's something that would be representative of today's times. But
(29:19):
it was a thing for sure, and pro wrestling mimics
the larger society that it's in, you know, it's a
microcosm of.
Speaker 4 (29:33):
Things.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
So yeah, I think that Sullivan was brilliant in kind
of tapping into that.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
Well, it's a good segue because you fast forward probably
mid nineties. He's feuding with Chris Bama, who in real
life was dating Nancy, who was I think Sullivan's wife
at the time. Yeah, they had one of the most
underrated thing was Anything Goes Street Fight or False Kind
(30:02):
Anywhere match.
Speaker 4 (30:03):
On pay per view.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
Yeah. Yeah, that's the one where they fought into the
men's the public.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
And you're watching and you're like, man, is this It
blowed the lines for me. I'm like, this is really
too really well, I.
Speaker 5 (30:24):
Think blurring the line on that one.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
It was it was legitimately a blurry line because behind
the scenes that nobody actually knew, like, are they going
to work?
Speaker 4 (30:36):
Are they gonna, you know, not work.
Speaker 5 (30:39):
With each other?
Speaker 4 (30:39):
Are they gonna?
Speaker 1 (30:40):
And I think that it speaks to the professionalism of
both performers that they they could get through the segment
without it turning into just a regular.
Speaker 4 (30:52):
Thing that you know, wasn't going to wasn't going to.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Help with the TV, you know what I mean. But
they both did their They both did their job, but
that blurry line, you know, they come from. They both
as performers came from a time when the line wasn't
really blurry, just kfabe was still a thing. So credit
(31:23):
to them for being able to work within the boundaries
that they probably were not accustomed to.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
He was doing that a lot that I think about
it in that time, Pier because he also had a
thing with Brian Pillman. When Pilman came out and recognized
Kevin as being the booker, the booker Man, the booker Man,
I respect you Bookerman.
Speaker 4 (31:47):
Yeah, are you?
Speaker 3 (31:50):
I think about the stuff they are doing back then.
This has been nineties. I mean watched Oh my god,
I watch this is real.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
Yeah, I mean, I don't know at this point.
Speaker 4 (32:06):
Truth and fiction or so.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
I'm in the I am in the industry, and uh,
sometimes I don't know.
Speaker 4 (32:20):
I mean, listen, anything goes these days.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
Do you know what's factor fiction?
Speaker 4 (32:29):
Yes, huh h.
Speaker 5 (32:36):
Something like that.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
So what else?
Speaker 2 (32:40):
Then?
Speaker 1 (32:40):
So what was your introduction to Kevin Sullivan then, Frank?
Was it just w cwn W A Uh, that was
my introduction? That was mine I had. Everything else came
after the fact that I was familiarized with any of
his work previous.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
To that same here and then he had the sin
with the Dungeon Doom, which kind of got little that
kind of I don't know, it's a little tooth cartoony
for me.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
Well, I think you also you have any It wasn't
too far removed from when if you were not in
the nWo, it was a couple of years span there
with WCW where if you weren't and almost everybody was,
but if you weren't with Sullivan was not then.
Speaker 4 (33:38):
I think, at least from the.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
Stuff I've read and heard that it became like, Okay,
well why are.
Speaker 5 (33:43):
You coming to work?
Speaker 8 (33:46):
Right?
Speaker 4 (33:48):
So I don't really know. I don't know either.
Speaker 5 (33:55):
Yeah, I'm gonna tell you is not knowing.
Speaker 4 (34:03):
I've grown accustomed to it. I don't. We're just talking
in generalities now, or do you mean I've gotten very
accustomed to not knowing a lot of stuff.
Speaker 3 (34:15):
He was a part of a goofy angle to where
he had a fictitious brother called and he was actually
his name was Dave Sullivan, but it wasn't really the
Kevin at all. A fictitious guy they found. You don't care.
Speaker 4 (34:31):
Why what happened?
Speaker 3 (34:34):
They had a meeting a few but they spelled Dave backwards.
Speaker 4 (34:38):
It was again Frank brought up the story and this
derailed his own ship.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
Okay, well, I mean if we're doing this as a
as a tribute show.
Speaker 4 (34:59):
Then what would you.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
What would you call maybe the best work of his
however many year career. I mean we're talking outside of
the ring. I mean, would that be like a fifty
year career in pro wrestling?
Speaker 3 (35:22):
He started think seventy two. He was he was actually
a body building before professional wrestling.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
Well he did have I mean, if you looked at him,
he had huge legs, huge legs. Interestingly, the guy that
owns the boxing gym here in Ormond. He was trained
by Hero Matsuda and he knew Kevin, and Kevin was
one of the people that convinced him to get trained
(35:51):
to wrestle, and it was Hero Matsuda, which was who
he hooked him up with.
Speaker 4 (35:57):
So I rest is what it is.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
But yeah, Man definitely a likable guy in the business.
Speaker 5 (36:07):
I really don't recall.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
Here and too many people having negative things to say
about Kevin.
Speaker 5 (36:12):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
I mean, I know back in the day, like coming up,
there was Sullivan, and there was Dusty and there were
like that, you know, performers that also had something to
do with booking. So those personalities tend to get exaggerated
one way or the other, you know, whatever's going to
support the narrative. But I know my interactions with him
(36:38):
were always beyond pleasant. Yeah, I mean just such a
loss because the great mind thing.
Speaker 4 (36:50):
Is so I mean, it's.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
It's not for me to decide whether it's over said
or not, but it said so much that I think
that anyone would say, yeah, it's over said, because it's
just that's one of the things that.
Speaker 4 (37:10):
Everybody goes to.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
And I think because universally like he did, he just
had a great mind for this industry and it grew
from the way that he came up and trained and yeah,
I mean it was just he was a hustler. He
was one of those guys that I was just gonna
find a way. He was not taking a note for
an answer.
Speaker 3 (37:32):
I think you're gonna ask what I thought his best
stuff was, and I think it's a Ben Was stuff.
I mean, he did some colorful stuff with you know,
back in the day, I didn't watch the floor stuff.
The later I didn't understand it. This was a little
over top of ben Was stuff. And to put his
differences aside, because you know, he was pissed off. I
got the good lady.
Speaker 4 (37:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (37:54):
Yeah, to make that storyline, to make that something you know,
that's that takes some stuff.
Speaker 5 (38:04):
Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
I agree, And I think it's it's confidence that you're
good and that what you're doing is valuable, because that's
tiptoe on the line where it's like, you know, I
could be one of the top guys here, but if
(38:26):
I'm not the top guy, I'm probably not going to
escape that cut off. Yeah. I mean, great career for sure,
great mind for the business. Like you said, there were
so many people that will put over how he viewed things,
(38:47):
and then the way that he would explain those views.
Pretty awesome stuff.
Speaker 3 (38:56):
Yeah, absolutely, well, said you guys still there, Yeah, we're
still here, live the yeah local.
Speaker 5 (39:04):
I wasn't sure he breaking. My eyes were closed, and
then I opened him and.
Speaker 4 (39:11):
Here we are. You couldn't see her and her eyes
were closed.
Speaker 5 (39:15):
Here we are, right, we are.
Speaker 3 (39:23):
What's on the doctor's weekend?
Speaker 1 (39:31):
I don't know when, said your joinery match the twenty fifth?
Speaker 3 (39:37):
So a week from Sunday?
Speaker 4 (39:39):
Yeah, at twenty fifth. Yep, as you.
Speaker 3 (39:46):
Climbing the square circle against the up and coming.
Speaker 4 (39:52):
Dri that's the guy that if you say his name,
he appears right right. Frank said it twice. Where's he at?
Speaker 1 (40:01):
He might be in French's kitchen right now, making himself
a sandwich.
Speaker 4 (40:07):
I'm just cuts are expensive, well.
Speaker 1 (40:11):
And teleporting is probably works up of man's appetite.
Speaker 4 (40:17):
That's true, That's very true.
Speaker 3 (40:21):
One more thing about Kevin Sullivan. Paul Ellering did the
X on the forehead I'm wrong the other night.
Speaker 9 (40:29):
It's pretty cool tribute. You know, Kevin stuff with or
with Caren Cross and then had some short stuff.
Speaker 3 (40:40):
That's pretty cool. I feel last year he did that stuff.
Speaker 4 (40:45):
Year to go, I think we did. We talk about
that the first time Karen was on the show. That's all.
Let's see, I was paying attention.
Speaker 5 (40:57):
Mm hmmm, I might not much longer.
Speaker 4 (41:02):
Fair So we're not quite sure what you're doing this weekend.
Speaker 8 (41:09):
This weekend, I am, yeah, I don't know, because the
twenty fifth I know that I'm wrestling in Atomic Legacy.
Speaker 4 (41:22):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
This weekend, I'm going to be at the Establishment. I
think it's called the Establishment Pro Wrestling. I'm doing a
seminar there. It's in Lake Mary in Florida. Seminar will
start at two, go to four preferably trained pro wrestlers.
(41:49):
And after that there's a show that I will be
participating on, and that will be Sunday, the eighteenth of August.
Speaker 4 (42:03):
I assume it's like a wrestling show, not like a
mail review or something like that.
Speaker 5 (42:08):
Yeah, wrestling show, got it, got it good?
Speaker 4 (42:13):
Frank were googling.
Speaker 3 (42:16):
I'm trying to find this as tenter again.
Speaker 4 (42:21):
From where?
Speaker 3 (42:22):
Huh huh?
Speaker 4 (42:23):
What what good? I had one? But the wheel fell off? Wow?
What the fuck is going on? I don't know? Was
that me? I don't know. Frank was making I think
Frank he was at the end five hundred.
Speaker 1 (42:42):
I wish I wish.
Speaker 4 (42:48):
Faden Faden Hi, Bobby Fish Apparel dot com, Bobby Fish
Booking seven at gmail dot com.
Speaker 3 (42:55):
Yeah, we gots a special things maybe coming up to
the two weeks.
Speaker 4 (43:02):
We do. Now sure you're the only one aware of that, Frank.
Speaker 3 (43:10):
Still I'm trying the audience here.
Speaker 4 (43:13):
They're still at the and we're still on the air.
Yeah for a minute anyway. Yeah, but we're about them
all right.
Speaker 5 (43:22):
The air is free, it is, so is the show.
I enjoy it, Yeah, it is.
Speaker 4 (43:27):
People are listening for free, so then get what we
give you.
Speaker 5 (43:32):
Yeah, no, I'm not saying that. But back to you,
I'm just I'm tired.
Speaker 4 (43:42):
So, Frank, you have anything coming up this weekend worth
anyone caring about?
Speaker 1 (43:47):
No?
Speaker 3 (43:47):
Maybe next week we'll preview the Big A E W Review.
Speaker 5 (43:52):
Yeah, okay, let's do that.
Speaker 1 (43:55):
Do your homework all right, yeah, okay.
Speaker 5 (44:01):
Yeah, all right, Well alright, gentlemen.
Speaker 4 (44:06):
On that note, that's a rap on the show. Say
good night, Bobby, Good night Bobby.
The most educated professional professor him see the show, and
I mean, folks, where's the line?
Speaker 2 (00:15):
It's time for the Undiscried Podcast with Bobby Fish.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
Hello, Hello, hello, hello.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
Oh man, I that a dreaming troop. That felt good,
that felt right in the pocket.
Speaker 4 (00:28):
Right good? Good?
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Great? This is the uh sleepy edition. That's actually every
every edition is a sweet edition.
Speaker 4 (00:38):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
How's the weekend?
Speaker 4 (00:42):
Who are you talking to me? Or Dennis Show?
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Yeah, that's start with you.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
Okay, it was good.
Speaker 5 (00:50):
I went to.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Alabama. Actually it didn't start good. Oh, it started very
bad thanks to American Airlines. Oh yes, So I went
to sleep with the expectation that I would get up
(01:14):
to make a six am flight in Orlando to Miami,
which meant that I had to be up by three
to make the hour drive.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
You know.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Didn't want to take any chances on my way there.
I see in my notifications that my flight has been changed.
So I look, and my flight was changed, but it
was changed to Sunday. Oh and it was Saturday. And
(01:50):
not only was it changed to Sunday, but it was
changed to fly from Pensacola to Miami and then Miami
to Orlando, which is fine for Sunday if I was
in Pensacola. But because my flight on Saturday was moved
(02:17):
to Sunday, I'm no longer in Pensacola. No, right, right?
So I called American Airlines and the guy I was
on the phone with the guy from American Airlines, it's
an hour for me to drive to Orlando, literally the
entire drive.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
Oh your god.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
He finally gets me set up on a flight for
that morning. Because I was now debating whether I would
just drive the seven hours to Pensacola. He gets me
set up on a flight. Now instead of going Pensacola
to Miami, or instead of going Orlando to Miami, Miami
(02:58):
to Pensacola, he had going from Orlando to Philadelphia, Philadelphia
to Penxtacola. And he's still on nothing wrong with this,
And I'm thinking to myself, like, sir, but don't you
understand about the original flight wasn't leaving the state of Florida.
(03:24):
Now we're going to another state, in another region of
the country just to come back to Florida.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
Who is creating that flight? Who you know what's gonna do.
Let's go on a miamid to Philadelphia and then turn
the some bitch around and come bight back to Stay
of Florida. Who did that?
Speaker 1 (03:42):
I don't know. But I get to the airport finally,
and I tell you, the people that work for American,
it's like they're not at work. It's like there's standing
there in their uniform but and they're getting paid.
Speaker 6 (04:07):
But so so you would think the expectation would be
like I have to you know, like I have to
perform like customer service and whatnot, but they don't act
as if that's what.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
They're there to do. So four people behind the counter,
only one person is waiting on someone and this is
the the American Airlines like help.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
Desk where check in is.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
The three people. I go up to one and she
eventually tells me that she she can't help me because
I only had my confirmation code. I didn't have something
else that she was requesting. And she said, well, you know,
you'll have to go to her. And her was the
person who was helping somebody else and was the only
(05:07):
other person like doing anything that was working, and the
other two that were standing behind. So I went and
I stood in the line with the one employee that
was serving another customer and the other three sat there
and talked while I stared holes in them. So all right.
(05:33):
Then I finally get up to the thing and the
woman helps me. She gets me a flight instead of Philadelphia.
Now I'm going to Charlotte and then Charlotte back to Pensacola.
But at least, you know, I mean, at least it
was in California, like the first one.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
I don't understand, Michelle is playing. I don't understand why
it's going out of state.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
Listen, I don't. I don't know. I at at one
point they offered me a discounted flight where they were
actually gonna shoot me out of a cannon. But because
I couldn't bring my carry on, I was like, no,
I can't. I have to wrestle when I get there,
and I can't wrestle on my street clothes.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
You got, okay.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
So anyway, that's how my that's how my day started.
Interestingly enough, there was another interaction I had at one
of my stops, I think it was Charlotte, where I
had to go to the customer service desk for American
(06:41):
Airlines that literally said over the woman's head, like I
wish you could take in a picture. Customer assistance and
she's sitting there. She had a mask on, and you know,
I see them and it is what it is. It's like,
you know, COVID's over, but whatever, not for me to judge.
But anyway, the look on her face, even with the
(07:04):
mask covering everything with this, you could tell, was like,
don't bother me, Like, don't you dare think I'm at
work because I'm behind this desk and in my uniform.
So of course I go up and I need her assistance.
(07:25):
And I don't even remember what it ended up being
or amounting to. It was non consequential, however, just it
did not get lost on me how little she was
there for like working, Like I'm here just to breathe
there and wear this mask.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
I'm not here.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
It's like, lady, you are in customer service.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Like if you don't want to deal with the public,
you might need to get a different job.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
Oh that's seller.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Yeah, But anyway, I get to Uh, I get to
Pensacola and drive to Alberta, Alabama and have a wrestling
seminar and then I did some wrestling that night. Uh
seminar went well, Wrestling that night went well.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Everything everything was good, man, Everything was good. Alberta, Alabama.
Definitely small town, but good people.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
It was fun nice on the way back that you
go from Pete Cola to Seattle, Washington, back to Orlando.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
So I had an offer at the airport. They said,
we can let you know of what your itinerary is,
take your chances because it's it's you know, it's a doozy,
or we can kick you below the belt and then
(09:05):
send you on your way. And I said, yeah, just
kick me below the belt. I'll take this, I'll take
the blow blow. The way back was it was just
a layover where what the layover was in Miami, which
uses But then again, you're in the airport, dude. It
(09:27):
never ceases to amaze me that the gouging that is
allowed in this country. Like you go to the airport
and what costs seven bucks outside of the airport is
now thirteen dollars. Yeah, it's insane. And it's like, okay,
(09:49):
so we've got you here and that you can't go,
you can't go out of bounds, and it just seems
un something well i'd like to say on an American,
but no, that's very American. Yes, we're gonna keep you here.
We're gonna fence you in and then we're either if
(10:12):
if if you're if people are able to hunt you,
we're gonna fence you in so that you can't run
away and we're gonna kill you. That's what we do
to like like you know the hunting ranges where it's
like private land.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
Yeah, rich people hunting.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Yeah, it's like, I mean, so again, very American to
do such a thing, but it's it's kind of the
same thing at the airport, like we're gonna keep you here,
We're going to deprive you of as much as we can,
and then we're going to gouge you when we provide
(10:55):
you the things that you might want, like like some
water we're gonna keep We're gonna charge you seventy five
dollars for that. Maybe not quite that much, but you
can't get a shred of food in the airport for
less than twelve bucks.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
No, I can't.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
And twelve dollars is like I think, yeah, well the
twelve dollars, I think. I think you get more when
you go to math and you go up and you
get the what they call it the communion. Yeah, yeah, communion.
Speaker 5 (11:36):
It's not bread.
Speaker 4 (11:36):
It's like a wafer. It's like a cracker any body
of Christ.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Yes, technically it is the body of Christ, right right,
so more filling than the less filling than the body
of Christ. But yeah, so that was that was the Yeah,
that was my weekend. I'd made it back in one piece.
Speaker 4 (11:59):
And good news. Everything's good.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
I always got confused with connecting flights and flight patterns
and the fact that you flew from Pensacola past Orlando,
uh to Miami mm hmm, and.
Speaker 4 (12:12):
Then back to Orlando, which is always weird. But hm,
I never understood that. I don't get it either. But
I flew when we flew out to California and we
had to fly down to d C and then fly
to California. But yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
Hogan flew us up to Florida. We went to Vegas first.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Hogan fo Hulk Cogan or Tom Hogan. You don't know
Tom Hogan?
Speaker 3 (12:55):
Should I I think?
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Kid? Yeah? Yeah, so Tommy Hogan's a county legend.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
And sounds familiar. You don't know, all.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
Right, Well, maybe he was the locker boulevard legend Josh Green.
Josh Green would know who he is. Happy and Richie
Bogartists would know who he is, and Michael Crowley would
know Crowley.
Speaker 4 (13:33):
Thanks, Frank key Guard, Yeah, oh god, I hope he is.
That's mean.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
Well, uh, I mean some of the other stuff we've
said about former classmates is not any better.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
So yeah, we're gonna end up getting lynched by Joe
Howard and Richie Bougueidis and Frank's Jim buddy.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
Who's your gym buddy?
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Hey?
Speaker 5 (14:00):
Hey, oh no, you're going to hell.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
Probably he served, he served our countryvura.
Speaker 4 (14:16):
Correct, Yeah, well you're not just a ventura.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
I would never were politicians well spoken, gentleman hall the
Hall of Fame. I don't think so.
Speaker 5 (14:26):
You.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
So your issue with said person is he gets tongue tied,
his tongue gets a little heavy the needles, his tongue
starts to feel like lead.
Speaker 4 (14:48):
I'm just giving up on that.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Okay, we should get we should get this business here.
What's going on?
Speaker 3 (14:57):
What's going on is actual form with the Black over
the weekend?
Speaker 4 (15:02):
Really?
Speaker 5 (15:05):
Wait, what did you perform on them? I didn't performed
on them.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
I DJ on Saturday, but that was not with new
Kids on the Block. Did you say I performed with
the new kids?
Speaker 1 (15:20):
I thought you said, you performed on them.
Speaker 4 (15:27):
Yeah, I didn't do any of that. I was at
the show. I did go to the New Kids concert.
Did they ask you to get on stage? No, turns
out they don't even know who I am. It's weird.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
Well that's available.
Speaker 4 (15:46):
No, it's not. Pretty sure they don't know who I am.
It's not like they saw me in the crowd went
there is that a lie?
Speaker 1 (15:55):
Lie lies.
Speaker 4 (15:58):
Erroneous didn't happen. I'm pretty sure they don't know any
of us. Probably, but it was a it was a
good show. We'll leave it at that. We have a
dedication to get to do we not?
Speaker 5 (16:13):
Did they play all their hits?
Speaker 4 (16:15):
Yeah? No, Yeah they were on stage for I think
like an hour and a half two.
Speaker 5 (16:19):
Hours, okay, singing and dancing, yeah, you.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
Know, doing all kinds of boy bandy stuff.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
We should be a boy band.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
No, we shouldn't. None of us can sing well, let's
put it that way. No one can sing that. No
one can sing well, people are gonna want to.
Speaker 4 (16:41):
Hear that ship.
Speaker 5 (16:42):
Hey, do do boy bands?
Speaker 1 (16:45):
He said they were doing all sorts of boy bandy stuff.
Speaker 5 (16:47):
Do boy bands?
Speaker 4 (16:48):
Ever? I'll keep each other. So you didn't have a
chance to ask, I.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
Mean, that would just be a different kind of show, right.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
Zone Bill awkward award show.
Speaker 4 (17:03):
Yeah, I mean if you.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
Brought if you like, if you brought your kids, Yeah,
that might get a little awkward.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
I'm pretty sure even if my kids weren't there and
they started doing that on stage, I'd probably go, this
is kind of weird. We should go.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
Yeah, yeah, that would be that would be weird.
Speaker 5 (17:24):
That was like.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Tonight, the night that Punk wore the uh pro Choice
T shirt and I had we had to explain to
We just had to have a conversation with well. But
it would have been a totally different conversation. If you know,
like he started to Tony Khane like that, I would.
Speaker 4 (17:49):
Have been I would think, So that's two very different conversations.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
Yeah, that would have been a little different.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
How would I navigated that conversation? No, I have no idea.
Speaker 4 (17:59):
I don't know. By the way, we'll go out there
and say and put it on record, there's nothing wrong
with any of this. We just know I don't want
to go to a concert and see that on stage. No, No,
I don't. What you do behind closed doors with your
personal life is none of my business.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
Yeah, I pushed the envelope. I'm the king of inappropriate conversation.
Speaker 4 (18:24):
Nice, nothing wrong, nothing wrong? Yeah, body humor? Oh body armor?
Speaker 1 (18:33):
Oh well that I mean we could start our own like,
body armor is a clothing brand. Correct, doesn't drink?
Speaker 4 (18:42):
Yeah, no, it's under armor is the clothing brand?
Speaker 5 (18:45):
Are you sure body armor is?
Speaker 1 (18:47):
No?
Speaker 4 (18:47):
Body armor is a hydration thing.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
Oh, drink, it's sports he drink coconut water and all
kinds of other flavors.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Let's start our own cold under armor here idea. And
it just thinks everything we make thinks like Carl Jones
after Jim class.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
Wow.
Speaker 7 (19:11):
Wow, we've definitely just thrown another that's a deep alumni.
That's a really deep Yeah, if he listens, we've now
added Joe Howard, Richie bogardist Carl Jones, and might care her.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
To Carl the truth Jones. Yeah, I have heard that
in thirty five years.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
Yeah at least, Wow, right, she's gonna get weird out
of next high school reunion.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
Yeah, I think I think he might be right. Although
Carl wasn't in our class, No, he was a year
ahead of us.
Speaker 5 (19:57):
So we might escape that one and care her was
a year behind us.
Speaker 4 (20:02):
But so was Frank.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
That's true, that is true, right, So one of us
I feel like wasn't supposed to be a year behind us.
Speaker 4 (20:10):
By the way, who would that be? Not Frank?
Speaker 5 (20:19):
Not Frank?
Speaker 4 (20:20):
Mm hmm, I think yes, dude, Mike was my class.
Mike was definitely behind us.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
Maybe he was supposed to.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
Be, yes, because I'll tell you right now, I'm pretty
sure he was in one of my school in one
of my classes at San Creek, and that's when before
we changed classes.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
Do you think maybe that was because of his feathered mullet?
Speaker 4 (20:45):
Possibly?
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Possibly, but he got rid of that high school.
Speaker 4 (20:49):
He could have also been one of many patches on
his jean jacket. Mm hm. Anyway, now that nobody else
is paying attention.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
Yeah, now that we have alienated every wrestling fan that
has tuned in to hear that didn't go to Colony,
do we want to talk about wrestling? Hey, Frank is
the I would say, the floor is yours?
Speaker 4 (21:20):
Frank.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
Well, we we did lose a legend over the weekend
or the last week we did?
Speaker 4 (21:25):
We did?
Speaker 3 (21:26):
I would put this gentleman on the mount rushmore of
Grea's minds in the business, Mister Kevin Sullivan, So no
task master. What were your interactions with the man.
Speaker 5 (21:44):
Mine?
Speaker 1 (21:44):
We're always positive with Kevin Uh, just speaking from like
inside the industry and seeing him crossing paths with him
here and there. Never had the chance to work with
him directly, but talked with him more than once about
working with him. Unfortunately the opportunity did not come through,
(22:10):
and that would have been in the past year that
that he and I spoke. Maybe not the first time,
but we definitely revisited some conversations about trying to come
to work for him. With Uh, I think it's coastal.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
Yeah, there's actually a funny story behind that, because yeah,
we thought he was Ribot started joke with us. I
can't say became not on the wrestling business. He was
jokeing with us, joke with me anyways, because we're you know,
we're trying to navigate through you going there, and he
kept on saying, you got to contact the Brazilian Giant.
Who the hell is the Brazilian Giant?
Speaker 1 (22:50):
Right?
Speaker 3 (22:50):
And you had contented somebody else and they're like, who's
working in that promotion? They're like, yeah, there is no
guy here named the Brazilian Giant. Yeah, and so I
re Kevin mister South. I don't are you sure that's
the person, Todd. It's a Buslian giant. He handled all
the money here. But I think there is a guy there.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
Yeah, I know who it is now, and I actually
I've worked with him at another promotion. So I still
don't understand all of those interactions, but I know whenever
I did see Kevin, I saw him on the road
a few times, and we would always talk and I
(23:35):
think shared similar views of the industry and always talked
about working together somewhere sometime, but unfortunately it did not happen.
So I don't have like a real first hand account
when it comes to work, but I know, like as
(23:57):
a fan growing up, and then he being one of
the first characters that I knew from the nw A.
Speaker 4 (24:08):
I'll talk about this, like.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
The pairing of him with Mike Rotunda and Rick Seiner
the Varsity Club was you know, had an instant impact
on me as a fan. And they did not look
it was like they these don't belong together, what is
(24:34):
this And it was that very like once I got
I saw more of them, it was it was that
contradiction that made them work so well together.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
Because he was.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
The task master Master and he was you know, what
is this guy possessed? Is he like a cult leader?
Speaker 5 (24:59):
What? What the fuck?
Speaker 1 (25:01):
And then you see Rick Steiner and Mike Rotundo and
they're wrestling singlets, they're like letterman jackets, they're college wrestlers,
and they did they were. It was like, Okay, one
of these things is not like the other. But that's
what made it so brilliant because it was like, and
I think what it was. I didn't understand it as
(25:23):
a kid, but I think now as an adult. What
I think what made it so cool was that you
didn't know if if they were like under his spell,
like were they somewhat possessed by him?
Speaker 5 (25:34):
You know how like cult leaders.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
Traditionally they have some sort of like spell over their followers.
And this is perceived or real or whatever you want
to call.
Speaker 4 (25:47):
It, but.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
It without saying it, that's where my imagination went, and
I would imagine where a lot of other people's imagination
went without it being said. They didn't do like a
vignette where it was like, oh my god, he's possessed
them or something. It wasn't like campy like that, but
it was just there pairing alone just suggested, like, what
(26:12):
the hell's going on here? After a couple of weeks.
Speaker 5 (26:19):
Like, I don't know. I just thought it was brilliant.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
I just thought it worked.
Speaker 8 (26:22):
Man, I get this.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
And now I look back, and I think it was
exactly that. I think it was the juxtaposition of who
their characters were that made it work so well, because
it was totally outside the box.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
Yeah, I'm with you there, but I understood it more.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
Frank, Frank, hold on, if you're gonna disagree with me,
I would like for you to remember whose name is
on the show.
Speaker 5 (26:48):
I think I was okay, all right, all right, all right.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
I was gonna say what I was gonna say was
I understood it more when I started watching YouTube videos
of the stuff he was doing with Superstar Billy Graham,
and there's a vignette or a clip of him hitting
a woman who happened happened to be Lunava Seawan dressed
as a reporter.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
I think it was.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
And you gotta think this is like nineteeny three and
he hauls off the Smacks's lady and you're like even now,
You're like, holy shit. But then you look fast forward
to the varsity club stuff. Oh he was a devil
dyke Florida, So it all kind of made sense to
me years later.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
Yeah, I mean, so I don't know the the footage
you're talking about, so I kind of, you know, can't
really comment on it. But I think anytime, you know,
it's a man hitting a woman, it's not gonna age well.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
It doesn't age well for any year you watch it.
I mean, I know a little different now, but man,
he eighty three, Holy Jesus, it wasn't like a powderpuff slap.
He laid into it a little bit like whoof.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
Yeah, and he.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
Also introduced woman Nancy Sullivan beIN lah same time period then,
I mean, they had Stater walk around out of the
beach with snakes. On real life, it was just I'm
watching Man and the Feude with Black Shag Mulligan, Very Windom,
Dusty Road. So there was some it was some pretty
(28:29):
heavy stuff back then.
Speaker 8 (28:31):
Yeah, I think he was.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
He stuck out quite a bit amongst the Southern wrestling
crowd because of that, because he was doing like a
you know, branch Davidian compound sort of cult Jim Jones
sort of, you know. I mean, I'm sure you could
name a few others. It wasn't a carbon copy of
(28:58):
those any of those people in particular, but just kind
of a combination of all things and that I know,
like in the seventies and some in the eighties even nineties,
and I mean, I'm sure if we think about it,
there's something that would be representative of today's times. But
(29:19):
it was a thing for sure, and pro wrestling mimics
the larger society that it's in, you know, it's a
microcosm of.
Speaker 4 (29:33):
Things.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
So yeah, I think that Sullivan was brilliant in kind
of tapping into that.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
Well, it's a good segue because you fast forward probably
mid nineties. He's feuding with Chris Bama, who in real
life was dating Nancy, who was I think Sullivan's wife
at the time. Yeah, they had one of the most
underrated thing was Anything Goes Street Fight or False Kind
(30:02):
Anywhere match.
Speaker 4 (30:03):
On pay per view.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
Yeah. Yeah, that's the one where they fought into the
men's the public.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
And you're watching and you're like, man, is this It
blowed the lines for me. I'm like, this is really
too really well, I.
Speaker 5 (30:24):
Think blurring the line on that one.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
It was it was legitimately a blurry line because behind
the scenes that nobody actually knew, like, are they going
to work?
Speaker 4 (30:36):
Are they gonna, you know, not work.
Speaker 5 (30:39):
With each other?
Speaker 4 (30:39):
Are they gonna?
Speaker 1 (30:40):
And I think that it speaks to the professionalism of
both performers that they they could get through the segment
without it turning into just a regular.
Speaker 4 (30:52):
Thing that you know, wasn't going to wasn't going to.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Help with the TV, you know what I mean. But
they both did their They both did their job, but
that blurry line, you know, they come from. They both
as performers came from a time when the line wasn't
really blurry, just kfabe was still a thing. So credit
(31:23):
to them for being able to work within the boundaries
that they probably were not accustomed to.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
He was doing that a lot that I think about
it in that time, Pier because he also had a
thing with Brian Pillman. When Pilman came out and recognized
Kevin as being the booker, the booker Man, the booker Man,
I respect you Bookerman.
Speaker 4 (31:47):
Yeah, are you?
Speaker 3 (31:50):
I think about the stuff they are doing back then.
This has been nineties. I mean watched Oh my god,
I watch this is real.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
Yeah, I mean, I don't know at this point.
Speaker 4 (32:06):
Truth and fiction or so.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
I'm in the I am in the industry, and uh,
sometimes I don't know.
Speaker 4 (32:20):
I mean, listen, anything goes these days.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
Do you know what's factor fiction?
Speaker 4 (32:29):
Yes, huh h.
Speaker 5 (32:36):
Something like that.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
So what else?
Speaker 2 (32:40):
Then?
Speaker 1 (32:40):
So what was your introduction to Kevin Sullivan then, Frank?
Was it just w cwn W A Uh, that was
my introduction? That was mine I had. Everything else came
after the fact that I was familiarized with any of
his work previous.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
To that same here and then he had the sin
with the Dungeon Doom, which kind of got little that
kind of I don't know, it's a little tooth cartoony
for me.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
Well, I think you also you have any It wasn't
too far removed from when if you were not in
the nWo, it was a couple of years span there
with WCW where if you weren't and almost everybody was,
but if you weren't with Sullivan was not then.
Speaker 4 (33:38):
I think, at least from the.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
Stuff I've read and heard that it became like, Okay,
well why are.
Speaker 5 (33:43):
You coming to work?
Speaker 8 (33:46):
Right?
Speaker 4 (33:48):
So I don't really know. I don't know either.
Speaker 5 (33:55):
Yeah, I'm gonna tell you is not knowing.
Speaker 4 (34:03):
I've grown accustomed to it. I don't. We're just talking
in generalities now, or do you mean I've gotten very
accustomed to not knowing a lot of stuff.
Speaker 3 (34:15):
He was a part of a goofy angle to where
he had a fictitious brother called and he was actually
his name was Dave Sullivan, but it wasn't really the
Kevin at all. A fictitious guy they found. You don't care.
Speaker 4 (34:31):
Why what happened?
Speaker 3 (34:34):
They had a meeting a few but they spelled Dave backwards.
Speaker 4 (34:38):
It was again Frank brought up the story and this
derailed his own ship.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
Okay, well, I mean if we're doing this as a
as a tribute show.
Speaker 4 (34:59):
Then what would you.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
What would you call maybe the best work of his
however many year career. I mean we're talking outside of
the ring. I mean, would that be like a fifty
year career in pro wrestling?
Speaker 3 (35:22):
He started think seventy two. He was he was actually
a body building before professional wrestling.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
Well he did have I mean, if you looked at him,
he had huge legs, huge legs. Interestingly, the guy that
owns the boxing gym here in Ormond. He was trained
by Hero Matsuda and he knew Kevin, and Kevin was
one of the people that convinced him to get trained
(35:51):
to wrestle, and it was Hero Matsuda, which was who
he hooked him up with.
Speaker 4 (35:57):
So I rest is what it is.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
But yeah, Man definitely a likable guy in the business.
Speaker 5 (36:07):
I really don't recall.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
Here and too many people having negative things to say
about Kevin.
Speaker 5 (36:12):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
I mean, I know back in the day, like coming up,
there was Sullivan, and there was Dusty and there were
like that, you know, performers that also had something to
do with booking. So those personalities tend to get exaggerated
one way or the other, you know, whatever's going to
support the narrative. But I know my interactions with him
(36:38):
were always beyond pleasant. Yeah, I mean just such a
loss because the great mind thing.
Speaker 4 (36:50):
Is so I mean, it's.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
It's not for me to decide whether it's over said
or not, but it said so much that I think
that anyone would say, yeah, it's over said, because it's
just that's one of the things that.
Speaker 4 (37:10):
Everybody goes to.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
And I think because universally like he did, he just
had a great mind for this industry and it grew
from the way that he came up and trained and yeah,
I mean it was just he was a hustler. He
was one of those guys that I was just gonna
find a way. He was not taking a note for
an answer.
Speaker 3 (37:32):
I think you're gonna ask what I thought his best
stuff was, and I think it's a Ben Was stuff.
I mean, he did some colorful stuff with you know,
back in the day, I didn't watch the floor stuff.
The later I didn't understand it. This was a little
over top of ben Was stuff. And to put his
differences aside, because you know, he was pissed off. I
got the good lady.
Speaker 4 (37:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (37:54):
Yeah, to make that storyline, to make that something you know,
that's that takes some stuff.
Speaker 5 (38:04):
Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
I agree, And I think it's it's confidence that you're
good and that what you're doing is valuable, because that's
tiptoe on the line where it's like, you know, I
could be one of the top guys here, but if
(38:26):
I'm not the top guy, I'm probably not going to
escape that cut off. Yeah. I mean, great career for sure,
great mind for the business. Like you said, there were
so many people that will put over how he viewed things,
(38:47):
and then the way that he would explain those views.
Pretty awesome stuff.
Speaker 3 (38:56):
Yeah, absolutely, well, said you guys still there, Yeah, we're
still here, live the yeah local.
Speaker 5 (39:04):
I wasn't sure he breaking. My eyes were closed, and
then I opened him and.
Speaker 4 (39:11):
Here we are. You couldn't see her and her eyes
were closed.
Speaker 5 (39:15):
Here we are, right, we are.
Speaker 3 (39:23):
What's on the doctor's weekend?
Speaker 1 (39:31):
I don't know when, said your joinery match the twenty fifth?
Speaker 3 (39:37):
So a week from Sunday?
Speaker 4 (39:39):
Yeah, at twenty fifth. Yep, as you.
Speaker 3 (39:46):
Climbing the square circle against the up and coming.
Speaker 4 (39:52):
Dri that's the guy that if you say his name,
he appears right right. Frank said it twice. Where's he at?
Speaker 1 (40:01):
He might be in French's kitchen right now, making himself
a sandwich.
Speaker 4 (40:07):
I'm just cuts are expensive, well.
Speaker 1 (40:11):
And teleporting is probably works up of man's appetite.
Speaker 4 (40:17):
That's true, That's very true.
Speaker 3 (40:21):
One more thing about Kevin Sullivan. Paul Ellering did the
X on the forehead I'm wrong the other night.
Speaker 9 (40:29):
It's pretty cool tribute. You know, Kevin stuff with or
with Caren Cross and then had some short stuff.
Speaker 3 (40:40):
That's pretty cool. I feel last year he did that stuff.
Speaker 4 (40:45):
Year to go, I think we did. We talk about
that the first time Karen was on the show. That's all.
Let's see, I was paying attention.
Speaker 5 (40:57):
Mm hmmm, I might not much longer.
Speaker 4 (41:02):
Fair So we're not quite sure what you're doing this weekend.
Speaker 8 (41:09):
This weekend, I am, yeah, I don't know, because the
twenty fifth I know that I'm wrestling in Atomic Legacy.
Speaker 4 (41:22):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
This weekend, I'm going to be at the Establishment. I
think it's called the Establishment Pro Wrestling. I'm doing a
seminar there. It's in Lake Mary in Florida. Seminar will
start at two, go to four preferably trained pro wrestlers.
(41:49):
And after that there's a show that I will be
participating on, and that will be Sunday, the eighteenth of August.
Speaker 4 (42:03):
I assume it's like a wrestling show, not like a
mail review or something like that.
Speaker 5 (42:08):
Yeah, wrestling show, got it, got it good?
Speaker 4 (42:13):
Frank were googling.
Speaker 3 (42:16):
I'm trying to find this as tenter again.
Speaker 4 (42:21):
From where?
Speaker 3 (42:22):
Huh huh?
Speaker 4 (42:23):
What what good? I had one? But the wheel fell off? Wow?
What the fuck is going on? I don't know? Was
that me? I don't know. Frank was making I think
Frank he was at the end five hundred.
Speaker 1 (42:42):
I wish I wish.
Speaker 4 (42:48):
Faden Faden Hi, Bobby Fish Apparel dot com, Bobby Fish
Booking seven at gmail dot com.
Speaker 3 (42:55):
Yeah, we gots a special things maybe coming up to
the two weeks.
Speaker 4 (43:02):
We do. Now sure you're the only one aware of that, Frank.
Speaker 3 (43:10):
Still I'm trying the audience here.
Speaker 4 (43:13):
They're still at the and we're still on the air.
Yeah for a minute anyway. Yeah, but we're about them
all right.
Speaker 5 (43:22):
The air is free, it is, so is the show.
I enjoy it, Yeah, it is.
Speaker 4 (43:27):
People are listening for free, so then get what we
give you.
Speaker 5 (43:32):
Yeah, no, I'm not saying that. But back to you,
I'm just I'm tired.
Speaker 4 (43:42):
So, Frank, you have anything coming up this weekend worth
anyone caring about?
Speaker 1 (43:47):
No?
Speaker 3 (43:47):
Maybe next week we'll preview the Big A E W Review.
Speaker 5 (43:52):
Yeah, okay, let's do that.
Speaker 1 (43:55):
Do your homework all right, yeah, okay.
Speaker 5 (44:01):
Yeah, all right, Well alright, gentlemen.
Speaker 4 (44:06):
On that note, that's a rap on the show. Say
good night, Bobby, Good night Bobby.
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