WVU Community Health Forum Camden Clark Personal Training

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Episode Transcript

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Good morning, good evening, goodafternoon. We are back again today for
another episode of the Community Health Forumpresented by cam and Clark Medical Center with
WU Medicine. Today I have PatPerryne in here. He is the fitness
and exercise coordinator over at the Healthand Wellness Center. How are you doing
this morning, Pat, I'm doinggood. Thanks for having me absolutely.

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Have you been watching any football herelately? Oh yeah, definitely some good
games lately, right, Yeah,Andy and I over in the other part
of the building, we're gonna bedoing our picks this week, and let's
just put it this way. Iam awful when we couple the spread involved.
If we just do a straight pick, I'm fine. But as soon
as you start saying, Okay,this team's gonna win by this much,

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yeah, I'm in trouble. That'spartly why I stay away from the sports
betting and stuff, right, AndI don't understand how people can just like
dedicate so much time to engrossing themselvesinto like, Okay, well this person
did this against this team, andI'm afraid I will lose so much money
doing that. Yeah, yeah,it would be an I would be a
nervous wreck watching the games if I'mputting money on it and like that.

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Absolutely, But that being a sidenote, the main focus we're focusing on
today is personal training, if I'mcorrect. Yeah, So kind of before
we get into that, go alittle bit on your background, like who
you are, what you do overat the health and Wellness Center, and
kind of go into detail how yougot into the position you are now.
Yeah, So, Pat Perryan,obviously, I've been at the Canda Clark

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Helfamana Center what used to be theFamily Fitness Center. I've been there for
going on nineteen years actually, SoI am the fitness and exercise coordinator there.
So I coordinate all the exercise specialists, all of the personal trainers,
and all of the athletic trainers thatwe have on all the local high schools
and things like that. So youknow, it's a comprehensive job as far

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as that goes. The exercise specialistsis kind of like the expertise part of
our offering at the Wellness Center.They will provide the exercise assessments, exercise
prescriptions, taking you through workouts,things like that. That's our ad on
service, but not our ad onthat's kind of our free offering that we
offer to all new members and thingslike that and on a continual basis.

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The personal trainers, on the otherhand, is actually an ad on service
from our standpoint. They are moreof the motivational side of things, providing
personalized workouts and things like that andaccountability. Those are kind of the offerings
that you're going to get with apersonal trainer, and that's a lot of
what you get with that. Soand that that would have been my first
question what members would expect whenever theygo in and like what personal trainers do

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for the people to go in thereto the gym exactly? Now, what
kind of programming, Like what's thepersonal training program options that you have over
at the Health and WELLMESTH Center.Yeah, so we offer a many different
things from the personal training side ofthings. The one of the main goals
that people will come in probably themain goal that you'll come in you'll hear,

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is people that want to lose bodyfat. So we developed a program
specifically called the Fatbuster Program. Uh. That program is going to it's more
of a higher intensity program, butit is adaptable. It's it's not like
you know someone that comes in andcompletely deconditioned, they won't be able to
do it because it's all adaptable,it's and it's obviously it's very subjective to
the person doing in stuff, right, you know, it'll utilize a lot

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of body weight exercises. We'll getinto some free weight exercises, which which
are dumbbells, barbells, even somebands, as well as our regular machine
weights and things like that. Sothat's that's one of them. The other
one we offer is called Senior Strength. So obviously it's in the title of
the name. It's it's geared towards, you know, the senior aged people

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that want to gain strength and thingslike that. You know, as we
age, you're going to lose thatability, uh strength abilities, you lose
muscle tone, all those kind ofthings, and this is kind of guided
and geared towards not losing that andgaining it back and actually which is obviously
it's possible. Also, yeah,yeah, do you guys, and I
know you guys have a lot ofdifferent programs revolving around strengthening must like say,

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if you have an injury and stufflike that. I'm assuming and this
is just gaining the information or goingoff the information you provided you also got
to do would do something along thelines of if say you have an injury,
to help strengthen that particular part ofyour body. So like, for
me instance, if my knee,my knee is completely in a bad shape
right now, you have you wouldbe able to do stuff as a personal

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trainer to help strengthen that knee sothat you're not in pain. Yeah,
So that's that's a common goal ofpeople that want to get into personal training
is they have a specific area ofneed that they're trying to work on.
It could be a weak area,it could be an injured area, but
the particularly from a freeway standpoint,it's very it can improve those conditions very

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well. Like take your take aknee joint. You know, if someone
comes in and say, hey,I got knee issues, knee problems,
a lot of times that could bejust muscular weaknesses around the joint. So
one of the big areas that canactually improve that as hamstring strength. So
for you, if you would wantto come in and say, hey,
I want to work on my kneejoints, got a lot of pain,

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that would be one of the firstthings I would look at is what's the
hamstring strength and what's overall muscular strengthat so strengthening those joints outside of like
you know, structural issues which couldbe ligaments and stuff like that. You
know, outside of those issues,if you just do muscular strengthening a lot
of times that can improve it.Yeah. Now, I know a lot
of people go into like exercise facilities, gems and stuff like that kind of

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very green something most of the time. Would a personal trainer be a benefit
to somebody that's coming in like justbrand new, Yeah, yeah, it
definitely would be. It's it's likeI said, I started out with the
exercise specialists. You know, that'sthat's the thing you're going to get no
matter what as being a member,and they they will offer you really good
services as far as just an assessmenta general plan. After that general plan

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is done, you know, youare kind of on your own, not
that you can't ask questions or anythinglike that. So if you're a beginner,
that's a good way to start.But also personal training is a good
way to get into it too.I think I first forget what the statistic
is. I think it's about seventyfive to ninety percent of people that get

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results to have work with a personaltrainer. Yeah, and they did it
from the start actually, so they'regonna, like I said it, kind
of reiterating what I said earlier,one of the biggest one of the biggest
issues is the motivation that people haveis lack of motivation. Well, the
trainer is gonna be there to pushyou. Another big issue is accountability.

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You know, you can start thatprogram in the first two weeks and around
week three it's like, I'm notfeeling the gym today, But oh,
I got that trainer I'm working with. I'm accountable to them. They're gonna
follow up with me. They're gonnapush me, they're not gonna let me
escape, right, So that's kindof what it comes down to. That's
another good aspect of it, right, And I think that's kind of because
Scott was on here, I'd sayabout a month ago doing like personal barriers

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or like barriers to actually doing it, and the motivation and having that accountability
is a big one to get peopleto actually go and continue to go.
It is it's it's it's crazy,you know, the drop off that will
happen for people that and they havea lot of people have good intentions I'm
not taking away from that. Theystart with good intentions. Everybody knows the
general need of what they want todo, but they let life get in

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the way and life take back overof that goal that they have and and
and that's just human nature in alot of in a lot of ways,
we do that in a lot offacets of our life. But that's where
and that's with the personal training.That's why I always say is there is
a cost to it, but itis an investment. It's an investment in
your health and an investment in improvingyourself and things like that. And that's

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how you have to look at itreally, because it's a it's a mindset
change that you've got to do.Absolutely. So, now kind of take
just one go back in the yearsthat you've done this or in the past
times that you've done this, Whatdoes a typical session look like from start
to finish normally? Yeah, Sogenerally a good session is going to include
a warm up. You know,obviously you're going to arrive and most of

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the time I'm assuming the trainer hastaught you these things and they'll be with
you during that time. But generallya warm up that's one of the first
things you want to do. Activationof different muscle groups through different exercises,
getting them firing and things like thatas a good thing. And then getting
into the core exercises of what theworkout, whatever the goal was that you're
trying to accomplish. Getting into thecore exercises that are going to accomplish those

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things and doing them is generally whathappens next. And you might get into
some specialization different areas that might needyou know, specific work after that,
and then after that is usually stretchingand cool down type thing. Depending on
how how intense the session was,you might need a cool down, but
generally some after exercise stretching and youknow, loosening up the joints and kind

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of bringing the body back to homeostasis, so to speak. It's kind of
want what you want to do,and that's that's a general you know,
theme to a workout of what youwant to look for. Gotcha now,
And just kind of just going kindof off topic here for a second.
Typically, how often do you haveto like train I wouldn't necessarily train people,
but teach people like the proper stretchingstuff and the proper way to like

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warm up for example, because iknow a lot of people and I mean
I'm probably in that ballpark two thatforget to stretch or hate stretching just because
they just want to get right intoit and ready to like just want to
hop right into it. Yeah.Yeah, How often do you see you
have to like train or teach peoplehow to do the stretching and warming up.
Yeah, honestly with me in thetime, I mean, I've I've
trained people myself through the years andthings like that, and it's kind of

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just habitual and you have to makeit a habit and I don't know,
like it just different things take fordifferent people, but generally speaking, one
to two weeks in they should probablyhave the warm up down and things like
that, especially if you've done generallythe same things to start to work out
that you can usually remember them afterthat. Got a lot of trainers will
even give you something, you know, written and things like that that you

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can kind of refer to if youneed to. But you could take that
because that's the thing is training withthe trainers. Generally speaking, you're probably
not going to every workout that youdo throughout the week. It's probably not
going to be done with the trainer. You know, some people can afford
that and do that route, butmost people it's you know, two to
three sessions and then you need todo some work outside of that. So

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going back, you know, learningthat warm up and pre routine stretching that
should be habitual even on the sessionsthat you're not doing with the trainer.
Also because that's going to set yourbody up, you know less, you
know you're gonna be more injury proneif you don't do it. So obviously
you're lowering the injury probability if youget the body in a proper state by

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warming it up and stram and doingthe right type of stretching and things like
that. And you guys are verylike communicating. You guys communicate really well
with like say, for instance,I'm trying to remember which program it is,
and I'm trying to remember kind ofthe programs off the top of my
head. But I know that alot of the programs have a lot of
communication with the hospital and being likesaying if there's an injury or something like

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that, or there was an injurythat they had a long time ago that
hasn't like aggravated or something like that. Say, if they go in and
there was a an injury they hadyears ago or whatever, and it starts
to aggravate again and it's nothing thatthat's something that would take a doctor to
look at, and you guys havethat transparency between you and the doctors.
Still then yeah, we have somewe have the clinical integration aspect of things,

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and yeah, that's definitely more prevalentin our medical based programs and things
like that as the clinical integration.But oftentimes, you know, particular clients
and things like that, they'll havea doctor that's associated with CANDOM and it
makes it easier for us to havethat chain of communication and things for sure.
Yeah. Yeah, Now, howoften can you see a trainer there?

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Like what is a typical time,like typical time that people see them
or in what would be kind oflike the normal I mean, I guess
normal then at that point, Yeah, so I guess I kind of mentioned
a little earlier. I mean,generally speaking, we have I mean,
we have a lot of options ofwhat you can do with you know,
any people train anywhere from one tothree times a week on a normal basis.

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People that come in and say Ihave a particular goal, I mean
I would point them usually two tothree. Higher frequency is obviously more,
you know, you're more susceptible toattain your goals and things like right with
meeting the treat trainer more often andthings like that. But you know,
I've seen people get results with themone time a week, you know,
because it's kind of like a weeklycheck in, a weekly update type session

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and things like that, and thetrainer will give them updates for what to
do for the other times on theirown throughout the week also, So that's
kind of the general layout of howthey do it. Gotcha. Now,
the ultimate question is that we havewith every thing being said, how affordable
are we talking? How affordable issomething like this? Yeah? Yeah,

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So people when people ask me thatquestion, I will generally I give him
a range because there's a lot ofways we do our training system too,
and we can lock in more.It depends on how long of a commitment
you're making, how many times aweek, and whether it's an hour or
a half hour session and things likethat, which we have both ways and
both have their different aspects and prosand cons. But so I tell people

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twenty four dollars to fifty dollars asession is what you could be looking to
pay depending on what option you lockin and things like that. So it
is affordable, and again it's allon how you look at it too,
you know. Golf. Yeah,now just kind of again going back onto
me and kind of giving out likeideas or options or kind of using examples

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here. If I've as because Ido recreational softball, Jeff does a lot
of the same league that I play. If I say, if I were
to go in and say, hey, I want a personal trainer to be
able to work on say upper bodystrength not necessarily like like like legs and

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stuff like that, to be ableto hit farther, what would be your
assessment of how to go about attainingthat. Yeah, So that that kind
of falls into, you know,another aspect of person training, sports specific
style of training and things, whichis kind of more under the strength and
conditioning aspect. So usually as atrainer, you want to do kind of

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a needs assessment, you know,based on generally speaking, we'll do some
analysis of movement patterns of how youhow you react to different movements and things
like that. We'll do an assessmenton you know, in a general sense,
like push ups, and sit upsand squat form things like that,
and then we get into the specificsof what's what's the movement patterns of the

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particular thing that you're doing in thingslike that, and that's what's called specificity.
You know, in a general sense, softball, baseball, whatever is
more of a rotational sport, Soall of the musculature that contributes to having
more of a rotational force and thingslike that is what we would be looking
at improving things like that. Soa lot of obliques, you know,

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which is more of a core thorassicstype stuff, mid level type stuff,
that's where all that rotation is goingto come from hips, things that contribute
to the hip hip movement and hipforce, and things which are glutes and
hip flexors. All that musculature there, that's what we're looking at. Also,
because it's very a rotational type ofa sport, it sounds like a

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lot to kind of target it onetime. So would you go about doing
like one thing per session, likekind of say, we're want to target
glutes this time, and we wantto target like hip flexor, or we
want to target obliques and stuff likethat. Would it be all those at
the same time, or is itkind of day oriented, like you're doing
this one day at this another.Yeah, in a general sense, if
from an athlete standpoint, it's kindof hard. The whole traditional old way

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of like the body builder what wascalled a bodybuilder split, which is where
you break your different areas of thebody down by musculature and things like that.
Well, today's chest day, today'sback day, or today's arm day.
That doesn't really apply as much toathletics as it does to bodybuilding really
mainly because you're not you're not breakingwhen you're out on the field of play.

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You're not breaking movements down by I'mactivating my arms on this right.
No, you're activating everything literally everyplay. So you want to train the
body as a whole, generally speaking, every day. Now what I do,
what you can Another way you canthink of it, and I always
tell people, is breaking the bodymoves in what's called different planes planes of

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movement. To give you a littlebit of science E type stuff, is
that we got three to three differentplanes, or your sagittal plane, your
frontal plane, and your transverse rotateor rotational plane. So sagittal is essentially
everything that moves front and back,eyesight and front and back. Frontal is
everything from side to side, andobviously transverse rotational is everything in a rotational

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plane. Things got so I liketo and when I train athletes, as
you break it down by the planesof movement and things like that, and
that's how you get your separation ona day to day basis. So on
one day, we might have someonecome in and do like a squat pattern,
which is a kind of a lowerbody pushing pattern, and we might
do a horizontal push and pool,which is kind of your sagittal also,

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which is front and back and thingslike that. And then the next day
we might do a hip hinge,which is kind of like a pooling pattern
like a deadlift. That's your hingeand it's kind of a little bit different
than what I just told you,but a hinge pattern which is hamstrings and
stuff like that dominant. And wemight do a vertical pushing pool which is
also like it could be an overheadpress or it could be a and it

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could also be a pool up typething. And in between those, we
also want to be working like sidemovements, which is your either side lunges
or it could be abduction adduction withwith the legs or the arms, things
like that, as well as interminglingall that in it is rotational movements.
So that's how you're breaking it up. It's not breaking it up or by

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muscle, by musculature or anything likethat, if that makes sense. Yeah,
it's not. It's not going likehow you said, the the the
typical bodybuilder quote unquote bodybuilder type thingwhere you do back, you do chest,
you do legs, do this andthat like the whole and a lot
of people might be scared of hittinghitting everything every day. Man, if

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you aren't just absolutely beating the crapout of every muscle group every day,
you can hit them every day.It's just you're hitting it in different planes
of movement, is what it comesdown to. Yeah, how much out
just going off of what you've saidand kind of hearing your knowledge of everything,
how much schooling did you have togo to to be where you're at
now? I'm just really curious.Well, I mean I had I got

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my bachelors and exercise physiology from wso that was kind of the that was
my schooling. But it's a continualit's a continual education. You know,
I've been in this for roughly twentyof years at this point, so you
know, it's a tenual education.I got my certifications from the National Strength
Conditioning Association, which is a certifiedStrength Conditioning Specialist is what that one's called.

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So it's definitely, you know,it's very reputable certification, I will
say, but uh, you know, it's it's a continual thing. You
know, learning is a never,never stopping process, and it should be
really for everybody your chosen field.And you know, everybody should never be
so complacent that I've learned everything.I don't mean, you know type of
thing, but uh yeah, I'vebeen knowing it for a while, so

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it's uh, you know, Ienjoy it though, And I think that
kind of like also puts into uhin the same in the same acid of
everything. The reputation in the justthe prestige that the Health and WADA Center
has with all their staffing is thateverybody knows exactly what they're talking about.
It's not like everybody's blowing smoke oreverybody's kind of just mate like being like

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unsure of everything. They know whatyou guys, know what you're doing.
I think that speaks volumes to justthe the entity that is Camden Clark in
itself. But last note, arethere any promotional like stuff going on right
now, deals or anything like thatgoing on at the Health and Wonda Center
right now? Well? I alwayslike to when I come in to these

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interviews to offer a radio exclusive discount. So if if anybody's listening to this
radio interview and they come in andask for personal training and mention it,
I'll give them ten percent off whateverpackage they would want to go with on
personal training. So that's kind ofkind of incentivizes everybody, you know,
if you want to come in ifyou're listening to this ten percent off and
you mentioned this this radio interview,So yeah, absolutely, if anybody's into

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this, please take advantage of thatthat promo, take advantage of that exclusive
deal that Pat wants to put outthere, So definitely take advantage of that.
Is there anything else going on thatyou want to cover, just stop,
Benacus. We're open Monday through Sundaythrough Saturday and different hours and things
like that. And where you guysat again, we are at twenty eighth
four Birch Street in Parkersburg, whichis Landmark is right behind Michael's or the

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park shopping center, Michael's craft storethings. Yeah, that was the old
crafts two thousand, way behind thatbuilding. You go like in between the
buildings and then up that back road. But yeah, yeah, definitely go
check out the health and Wellness centerover there. Pat. He'll be over
there. I'm pretty sure he's overthere every single day from mony Friday,
Monday through Friday, probably seven o'clockin the morning till five in the afternoon.

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So and you can also call inif you want to make a specific
appointment. That's fine too, that'sprobably one of the best ways. Actually,
our number is three oh four fourtwo four two three four eight.
Gotcha, Yeah, gotcha. Yep. And I appreciate you coming out today,
Pat, I greatly appreciate you doingthis interview with me. And we'll
see everybody next episode. But definitelycontinue to check out that promotion that Pat

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just gave out, take advantage ofit. Please go over there and get
If you need anything done, askask him and he'll take care of it.
But if that's all we've got,we're going to close this episode out
and we'll see everybody in the nextepisode. And that was the WVU Community
Health for presented by WVU Medicine,Camden Clark Medical Center, have a good
day. Everybody