Produced by DRAFT - Episode: 162

Fresno’s own super producer, Draft takes us inside his creative process, sharing how he’s shaping the local music scene with bold beats and fresh collaborations.  Plus, we hear behind the scenes stories from how some of the biggest songs in Fresno got made.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:07):
This could give me for our podcast.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
What Up?

Speaker 1 (00:09):
I'm Gizo. That is John Magic and we are back.

Speaker 3 (00:11):
Special guests in the building and we've been doing this well,
I did this last time, so I was like, might
as well keep it rolling with the checking AI to.
So basically we get on AI. We did this last
week for the last guest, and we just put the
person's name and I just said I need a podcast
intro and then I see.

Speaker 4 (00:32):
What pops up.

Speaker 1 (00:32):
So hopefully this is the right person.

Speaker 3 (00:35):
So last week it turned out good because the guest
he actually liked the intro that Ai AI did. So
we're gonna we're gonna see if if this is all
true or if there's some false there we go today
on the show, We've got a powerhouse from right here
in Fresno. Draft a producer who a producer whose beats

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have shaped the sound of some of your favorite artists.
His credits include working with Problems Saves, the Gemini, Fast Sean,
and even big names like flow Rider. He's also collaborated
on projects tied to the w n b A, just
to name a few. Bringing his unique energy to the game.
Get ready to dive into his journey his creative process

(01:17):
and what's next for his home, for this hometown talent
ladies and gentlemen. Draft Yeah, Draft.

Speaker 2 (01:24):
Yeah, it's gonna be like from the street.

Speaker 1 (01:28):
We get sponsored by Open Ai off with that man.

Speaker 3 (01:34):
That's Ai. That's Ai.

Speaker 1 (01:35):
So yeah, man, Draft, It's been a long time coming.

Speaker 4 (01:40):
Brother.

Speaker 1 (01:40):
I know I interviewed you when I used to have,
uh used to have this video series called The Drop.
Yeah years ago. This is during like the Young California era,
and I had interviewed Draft at that time. But honestly, Bro,
I don't even know what's been up with you since. Bro,
So we wanted to bring you up in here.

Speaker 2 (01:56):
Ketchup.

Speaker 3 (01:57):
We've known Draft for years years. Well when I moved here,
what twenty over twenty years ago, met him sometime around
like two or three years me living here, and yeah,
like we always knew who you were, but we never
really hung out. We saw each other at the clubs,
we knew your projects. So yeah, I'm excited about this

(02:17):
episode to kind of like deep dive into uh, you know,
your journey.

Speaker 1 (02:22):
Yes, I mean, should we just take it from the beginning.

Speaker 3 (02:25):
Before we get to the story of his journey.

Speaker 2 (02:28):
We got a lot Well, I.

Speaker 3 (02:30):
Wanted to get this out the way, because the biggest thing, well, no,
it's not the biggest thing, but the weight loss.

Speaker 2 (02:37):
Oh yea yea yeah. I used to be big draft.

Speaker 1 (02:39):
Yes, well because so big draft I used to be.

Speaker 3 (02:43):
I recently lost seventy five pounds, but then I've getten,
like twenty back in the past year and a half.
What did you do, bro, Like, what did you do?
Because you look different?

Speaker 2 (02:55):
Listen.

Speaker 4 (02:56):
So I was like two sixty and I was the
Timblin draft, you know, the one on the jay Z
when he had to jug and he was in the
studio and yeah, you know what I mean. So the
doctors told me. He was like, yeah, so do you
want to live? I'm like, yeah, kind of. He's like,
well you a diabetic? Your diabetic type two? Oh no, shit,
legs off because the average I want to put your

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own game right now, whoever don't know.

Speaker 2 (03:20):
Listen.

Speaker 4 (03:21):
So the average blood sugar is ninety seven to one
one oh nine hopefully I'm saying that right, Like the
sugar of the diabetic is that right right? Mine's was
four hundred and fifty.

Speaker 1 (03:33):
Wow, damn, I'm assuming that's bad, extremely bad.

Speaker 4 (03:37):
So I had to cut off sugar, alcohol cars, everything,
and drink not this, but a gallon of this, which
is called water, guys water. For a whole year, I
stopped smoking cigarettes, stopped doing everything, and I just lost
the weight.

Speaker 2 (03:51):
But I didn't work out. Wow, I just drunk the water.
That's it.

Speaker 4 (03:56):
If I worked out, I mean, but I just lost
the weight. Peer like shit, shut down, no carbs, no sugar.

Speaker 1 (04:04):
But that's what we always talk about, is that dieting
is like such the most important part of losing weight.
A lot of people just go like, let me just
go to the gym. It's like, yeah, that's cool, but like, really,
it's what you eat. Yeah, it was what I was eating.
And this is before the ozimpic even like you grinded.

Speaker 2 (04:21):
Yes, I had.

Speaker 4 (04:22):
I had a whole year of just drinking water, which suck.
I have to switch plant base. I'm bad now. I
ain't gonna front. I ain't gonna I ain't gonna front
for those who be slipping. I was slipping. We ate
what we ate today, Yes, so that's where I'm at.

Speaker 3 (04:36):
So I did this.

Speaker 1 (04:36):
So I did slippage.

Speaker 3 (04:37):
I did the keto, so no carbs, no sugar, lost
seventy five pounds and just recently, I've gained like twenty back,
but I need to get back into it. So I'm
in that slippage that you're talking about. Any any chips
that you could give me on like like you said,
we all kind of slipped, bro.

Speaker 4 (04:58):
It was just sometimes you just got to do a
re Yeah. It was crazy. I was eating plant based everything.
It was like chips.

Speaker 2 (05:04):
I go to. My favorite place was.

Speaker 4 (05:06):
Sprouts and one is the other one kofuo.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
Get a salad.

Speaker 4 (05:12):
It was boring eat. I ain't gonna fron I don't
know what the tips to give you get water?

Speaker 3 (05:16):
Yeah, I think that's what That's what was happening. It
was boring and it was expensive.

Speaker 4 (05:22):
Yes it was.

Speaker 2 (05:23):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (05:24):
I mean it's not easy, that's for sure. To live
that lifestyle is not easy.

Speaker 4 (05:29):
Yes, So for those who don't know, I used to
I wish I had pop up pictures at this moment.
But I used to be like crazy big. Remember the
pictures we took Cray. I literally cussed my friends. I
was like, I looked at dress, How the fun you
allow me to be this big?

Speaker 2 (05:42):
But it was normal.

Speaker 4 (05:43):
And then when I slimmed down, it was like everybody
understood that it was serious, like I was not playing,
I was not eating bad.

Speaker 2 (05:49):
Yeah I didn't.

Speaker 4 (05:50):
I didn't. I don't even allow my daughters to eat bad.
They didn't even eat McDonald's tacobo nothing.

Speaker 1 (05:54):
That's good though.

Speaker 3 (05:55):
Yes, I mean on the health side, because I'm pre diabetic,
which there's a joke, isn't every want pre diamited?

Speaker 1 (06:01):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (06:01):
Right, it's exactly. So I think I think I got
to get in that mindset to that, you know, for health.

Speaker 1 (06:09):
Yeah, I know a lot of times we think about,
you know, from the physical aspect of the way we look,
but at the end of the day, it's more impoint
on the health side of it. All right, but hey bro,
you still look good.

Speaker 3 (06:18):
Well, I'll wrap it up with this. The reason why
I brought that up. For the beginning, I was DJing
at a club, local club and this was a year
ago maybe, and uh, somebody comes up to me, John Magic,
and that's normal. You know, we've been here for years.
I'm not trying to flex like, oh, we're somebody, but
we've been in the radio for years and if people know,

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it's at the club, so people come up and say,
what's up, John Magic? All that stuff. So I said
what's up to this guy? And then you know, the
club goes on. And then Homie said it was like, yo,
did you see draft?

Speaker 1 (06:49):
I'm like, you gave him the Hollywood treatment.

Speaker 5 (06:52):
And he pointed out that guy dressed and I was like,
that's not drafting, man, and I was bugging us people.
A lot of people do that to me, and I
didn't recognize you. This is real quick because y'all got
me on here.

Speaker 2 (07:06):
Now.

Speaker 4 (07:07):
I listen, my uncle. I went to the R and
B in a park, that big one on the west side.
My uncle Danny, if you hear this, dandy, My uncle
Danny told my sisters. My sister's like, did you see
a draft? And he was like, no, me hugger right
there talking to him. And I did it on purpose.
I looked at it. I didn't even know it was

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me family. I'm okay with.

Speaker 1 (07:34):
That was that was the story of I was like, man,
all right, now that we got that out the way,
I know, but I want to go back to the
beginning because I don't even know this about you, sort
of like how you started. You're originally from Fresno.

Speaker 4 (07:47):
I forgot and raised Fresne, California, East side.

Speaker 1 (07:50):
Okay, Now let's talk about how you got into the
music lane man, especially with making beats. Was that something
that you always wanted to do? Were you kind of
didn't you try to rap for a little bit. First,
is how it started.

Speaker 4 (08:01):
Yes, which is funny, is that I just posted on
my Instagram.

Speaker 2 (08:05):
I found my CD. Yeah I was sixteen.

Speaker 1 (08:08):
Oh yeah, I just saw that.

Speaker 4 (08:09):
Yes, literally, that's a real thing. I found that in
the garage.

Speaker 2 (08:14):
Guys. I started off wanted to be a rapper.

Speaker 4 (08:16):
I was influenced by Fabulous Cassidy, Jady Kiss, dipset, a
lot of East Coast Yes, okay, and it's funny, and
I would say, but I don't want to get beat up,
but they crucified me on how much I don't get
excited about West Coast artists. I love West Coast music,
but I'm an East Coast I'm a medal four bar type.

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So to say that is I wanted to be a rapper.

Speaker 2 (08:42):
Yeah, I want to rap.

Speaker 4 (08:44):
Hey, mom, dad, I'm sixteen. I don't know what this is,
but I want to rap? What do it takes money?
So I asked my parents for money. Literally, this is
his story how it started off. My mom said, well,
I have four sisters. I'm the only boy. I'm spoiled.
They said, what do you want to do? I said,
basketball is not working. I want to rap. It takes money.

(09:06):
And literally I'm saying this because I can say this forever.
They gave me a sixty thousand dollars budget at sixteen
oh no show, and I'm being dead serious. I had
to just I had to tell his story literally two
days ago, because that's the person didn't believe it. But
long story short, I had a budget, and then I
went to if y'all know who is Blaze Grooman, do
anybody know who Blaze one is? That's Blaze one, sounds

(09:28):
Blaze one. He had the studio right here on Shields Blaze.
Those who know Blaze one is, that's the homie. I
started off just going over there. It's like if I
have five fund nine with Dre, that's like just imagine
five funnine mn production to know if you go over
there and you go with Dre and you be like,
I have a budget, I want to record. I want
to You got that Blaze one was the Drada most
of Fresno. I went to him and I spent twenty

(09:52):
to forty thousand dollars. I wish I had to see
d but you know I'm talking. Yeah, I saw it,
I got it printed, I got it. I had shows,
I did commercials. I paid for slots for commercials on
television BT Awards. Come on, my commercial will play for
the morning, noon, night, fifteen dollars on comcasts. You'll know

(10:16):
I'm talking about Comcast. Comcast. It would show my commercial
that all came in a package.

Speaker 2 (10:23):
Fast forward.

Speaker 4 (10:24):
I told my mentor, shout out to my mentor, Eugene Crenshaw,
it's my nigga. If it wasn't for him, I won't
be who I am. Him and Bobby Black. I always
say that. Gene told me, what.

Speaker 1 (10:34):
Do you want to do?

Speaker 4 (10:34):
Still, I was like, I want to rap, but I
want to make music. I'm not making money from rapping.
How do I make money? He said, become a producer.
I was a rapper for a year and a half,
went straight to producing. Got introduced to for the Loops
through Bobby Black. Because Gene was like, I don't know
how to use for the loops.

Speaker 2 (10:52):
I'm showing you'all.

Speaker 4 (10:53):
I was a rapper. I was horrible. It only took
a year for me to be a rapper to change
my mindset to like, I'm going to be a producer,
and this is where the money's at, because my mom
and daddy's spending money and ain't nobody giving me money
paying for slots shout out to Shake the Mirror. I
just got off the phone with him. I I met
Shake the Mirror at the Fresno Fairgrounds when young Jock

(11:14):
came in two thousand and six, when he had it's
going down, I opened up for shake the mirror open
up for me. Yes I can yes, I can see it.
Shout out, look, shake the mirror, open up. I came
after and then Jock came on. But I paid one
thousand dollars for that slot. Though in two thousand and six,
I paid one thousand dollars for that slot. I'm spending

(11:37):
money more than I'm making money. I don't get it
that you gotta wait until something happens. Yeah, way, I didn't.
I'm imposive. I moved on.

Speaker 2 (11:44):
I went from a rapper sway straight to a producer.

Speaker 1 (11:47):
Just like that, just like just walk up one day
and said.

Speaker 4 (11:49):
I said.

Speaker 2 (11:50):
I looked at Gen.

Speaker 4 (11:50):
I was like, so you're saying people can buy my
beats He's like, yeah, took a while for people to
buy the beats, but we get to that point.

Speaker 1 (11:56):
But you know what, though, you you really did go
right about it. You know, like the budget, putting money,
marketing like all that was like what a lot of
people don't do, and you actually had it and you
actually did it.

Speaker 4 (12:06):
So had you are doing that, you have to see it.
Broke that CD. That's crazy, the graphics. I did it
at that age.

Speaker 2 (12:14):
And that era.

Speaker 4 (12:15):
So yeah, I just wanted to I switched to produce him.

Speaker 3 (12:18):
I was just about to ask him during that age,
Giz just brought up you know, marketing.

Speaker 1 (12:23):
You you had all the tools in the right mindset.

Speaker 3 (12:26):
The mindset was to spend money to make money is
like the business. You know, where did that come from?

Speaker 2 (12:31):
Come from?

Speaker 4 (12:32):
My smart ass pops and Jean, my boy, Jean really
told my parents what to do because it was at
a young It was at a young era where we
didn't have social media like that, didn't have the what
you're supposed to do in music. It was just a
little way and going platinum. This person going platum. You
need a CD, you need to wrap studio, the basics.
But I posted that video to be like, there's no

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excuse I'm a rapper at these points. I'm looking at
the artists like I was a rapper at that point. God,
that was twenty years ago. It was about twenty twenty six.
That was twenty years ago. Look how I did it?

Speaker 2 (13:07):
How did you do it?

Speaker 4 (13:08):
Draft? I took it serious by having a budget. I
don't care how you doing it. Have a budget and
have a plan. You did that, and I didn't have
a plan, but the people around me that always surround
myself around have plans.

Speaker 2 (13:19):
So the money helped execute.

Speaker 3 (13:21):
The rapper budget. The sixty grand that you initially got,
did that all go? Did? I? Did I all get
used during the rapper stage? Because I know you said
you went it to suddenly went to did you have
some money left over that you could use?

Speaker 4 (13:36):
I'm gonna tell you right now. I went to Guitar
Center and the money after that was I did the commercial,
I did the studio time, and did all that. I
paid for beats. Man, I really got to say this
on air, and I'm like, damn, it's crazy. I literally
shot out to my boy, Eugene Crenshaw, that's my mentor.

Speaker 2 (13:50):
I keep saying his name. I really gave him.

Speaker 4 (13:54):
Was it eleven eleven hundred or fifteen hundred dollars for
two beats?

Speaker 2 (13:58):
Fifteen hundred dollars for two beats? This is my friend, this.

Speaker 4 (14:00):
Is the this is the homie. I'm like, my pops
was crazy. He was just like, whatever it is, we're
gonna pay for it. I was like, okay, cool, geene,
how much to beat? Oh that's how much it is,
really real, Like, that's how much it is. I got
a budget, Hey, I got and I pay it. So yes,

(14:20):
majority of the money went to wrapping, but then when
it went to producing. I went to a guitar center
right here down the street on show and I went
in there and my mom gave me the credit card
and me and Jean spend nine thousand dollars on equipment.
Oh shit, you know the the what is the apple?
The first ones you go like that and you slide
it in the little G five or whatever the anyways,

(14:43):
it was the Apple. It was the display. I wanted
that display.

Speaker 1 (14:47):
Yeah yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (14:48):
I bought the display. Bought it like there was none
in the back. I was like, I need that one.

Speaker 3 (14:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (14:53):
So I spent the rest of the money on producing
and like products for my producing speakers, pro tous all
that to and fro loops to amplify my producer.

Speaker 3 (15:05):
So yeah, by the way, shouts out to Mom and
Pops for the support.

Speaker 1 (15:09):
Man supporting the dream, not mad as that I love them.
So you were still under eighteen at this point, right, Yeah.

Speaker 4 (15:15):
I was around like seventeen going on eighteen, going on eighteen.

Speaker 3 (15:19):
So this is twenty this is two thousand and six,
two and seven.

Speaker 4 (15:22):
So this is like me and Tom Jenis shot to
Tom Gs. He told me and look, I gave you
a shout out, you little fuckerr And Nigga said, can
you shot me out? Because I told him I was
gonna be on the big radio? Can you give me
a shot out?

Speaker 2 (15:33):
Anyway?

Speaker 4 (15:34):
I just told it to Tom G's I was like, well,
I think I was seventeen on that picture of me
being on the cover because I was going on sixteen
and a half. Because he was like, there's no way
you sixteen. I'm sixteen because I'm older than him. But
it had to be around seventeen or eighteen when I
dived into producing, but I for sure was sixteen and

(15:54):
a half.

Speaker 2 (15:55):
Ending my rap career sounds.

Speaker 1 (15:57):
Crazy, that is crazy.

Speaker 4 (15:58):
I only really wrapped one year and I just became
a producer. So anyways, so we would give it around
like seventeen and a half, I'll start producing.

Speaker 1 (16:09):
It's whatever, all right, So now you're doing doing the
production side. I think the round when I started to
hear about you was during the during Homegrown era. During
the Homegrown show, that's kind of like when your name
started bubbling and you were on a lot of these
beats and I was just like, Yo, this dude's like
kind of tight. I don't remember where we officially met.

(16:29):
Maybe you remember that, but that was that was like
an era.

Speaker 4 (16:33):
I think I don't know where I'm at. I think
it was not it was not the Fair. I don't
know where I met you. Just I feel like I
met you everywhere.

Speaker 3 (16:38):
I know.

Speaker 4 (16:39):
But I've seen Gig, I know. I was like, oh
that's Jig, Yeah, famous, famous. Real in my era is
like sit you on the radio, what well I can wish?

Speaker 2 (16:48):
I can tell you.

Speaker 4 (16:48):
I'm gonna tell you that off air, a story that I got.
I'm gonna say it. Let me just do me with
quick hold.

Speaker 3 (16:53):
Yeah, that's that's what the podcast is.

Speaker 4 (16:55):
So I ain't gonna say your name, but you know
exactly who I'm talking about now that I'm at the
radio station X talking to my radio friends.

Speaker 2 (17:01):
You told me at the age of.

Speaker 4 (17:05):
Twenty maybe nineteen, you told me, hey, bro, you gotta
humble yourself. There's no way any phrase, no producer can
be on the radio or let alone talk to the
radio people, but be on regular rotation.

Speaker 2 (17:19):
Draft, stick to Homegrown.

Speaker 1 (17:21):
Damn Wow. Yeah, now he crossed.

Speaker 2 (17:25):
Continue, Now let's continue.

Speaker 1 (17:27):
Funny no, because in Draft he had a lot of
records that were on Homegrown. But then you know, over
time he has stuff that we was playing during regular rotation.
Bounce the k Rich record, what you're sipping on? Booty Remix?

Speaker 4 (17:42):
Yeah, yeah, all Syrup records. I was on a I
was on Ben five for like six years.

Speaker 2 (17:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (17:49):
There was a crazy time during the young California Sincal
push that me and Draft and like Syrup and we
would we were driving out to LA and we were
driving out to the Bay all the lap summons and
we were just out there trying to push these guys
and that was like a really crazy time because the
city was buzzing with the Fresno and you guys were
getting out there to the other cities and breaking records

(18:11):
and you know, Bounces playing on other radio stations and
you know, shouts out to l I Z Tuesday, to my.

Speaker 4 (18:17):
Boy dj Amn Yaharisma. Oh they they let they really
let it Fresno nigga in there. I remember Chrisma looking
at me like, and this is all good because you
know we it's good. But she looked at me like,
I don't know. When Bounce came out. She was like,
and I respect that cause you gotta, yeah, y'all, gota understand.
Just tumble yourself and when you get there, nigga, you
will get there. But like she gave me that nod,

(18:39):
and I'm like, yeah, yeah, we here now.

Speaker 3 (18:42):
Yeah. When I was playing at the clubs in La, yeah,
all the DJs were asking, wait, why don't I have
this record? And so yeah, during that era.

Speaker 1 (18:52):
Yeah, that was a fun era, man. And one thing
that I always liked about Draft is uh and you
saw during this podcast is he always comes on time,
always prepared, always ready, and he Draft is we got
the same kind of work ethics. So we used to
always call ourselves the on time Boys because we would
show up to the function like either earlier on time
and I can always count on Draft. So when he

(19:14):
said that he was going to be here like even
before three o'clock, I was like, already know Draft. I
already know how he is gonna be prepared. So that's
one thing that I always like fucked with Draft about.
But yeah, he kept on saying the same time, right,
he kept on confirming, And I was like, see, I
fuck with Draft like that, man, because a lot of
people ain't like that. No, especially in this genre of
hip hop. Yeah, I mean it's cool to be late

(19:34):
and ship, but not draft.

Speaker 3 (19:36):
You already it fits our personality.

Speaker 1 (19:38):
So I was like, cool, we can fuck with Draft
on that.

Speaker 2 (19:41):
I'm not gonna be Let's go.

Speaker 3 (19:42):
Let's go back. When so you get fruity loops? Yeah,
I mean you went from rapper two Okay, now I'm
gonna be a producer. Was there YouTube unifor I call
it YouTube university university? What was the learning curve? But
what did you do to learn how to use fruity loops?
How to be a producer? What did what was this? Well?

Speaker 4 (20:04):
I was kind of leaning towards the Kanye West because
I was gonna go to Kanye West around and just
be like, oh, I'm just gonna sold sample and.

Speaker 2 (20:11):
Be in that era.

Speaker 4 (20:12):
So then I said, okay, well, I like Kanye, I
like you, y'all gonna where I'm going with this. I
like Kanye, I like Timberland, and I like for Real.
Let's mix them. Yeah that's a nice blend.

Speaker 1 (20:23):
Yeah yeah exactly.

Speaker 4 (20:25):
Oh wait, that's so disrespectful Jay Diller J Yeah, he
changed my life with a whole lot of stuff him
Knife one that we can go deep. But after it's
after discovering Kanye West, Timberland and for Real, I decided
to be the ultimate producer where I'm not just doing
nigga music, I mean wasting fucking ass shake.

Speaker 2 (20:47):
We're doing real tracks.

Speaker 4 (20:49):
So the first it's gonna go to the first record
I ever produced that I thought that was okay, sirup
with cal Bunger.

Speaker 2 (20:56):
If everybody that was.

Speaker 4 (20:58):
Like a Fresno classic, man, oh man, Kyle Bunga, how
can I say this?

Speaker 2 (21:03):
Cal Munger wasn't what it was?

Speaker 4 (21:05):
It was CAYL Munger was about mm I want to
say thirty sounds.

Speaker 2 (21:10):
That's over exaggerating.

Speaker 4 (21:11):
I say about twenty sounds in there, and it was
all like strings and random uh things got placed in there,
Syrup walked in quick story, take everything out? What do
you mean, bro? Like, what do you mean? Take everything out?
Take everything out? Draft? Okay, so take this out, take
this out, take this out, take this out. Then you
hear cal Munger till this day you hear it go

(21:33):
boom boom boom. It was simple. I just pitched the
eight ow eight higher and Syrup took over because I
told him, I said, well, if you're gonna take away
all my sounds, you this is a real thing. If
you're gonna take away all my sounds, you're gonna have
to be the instrument. That's why Syrup. That's how he
how he came up on the record and and and

(21:54):
you know, I'm trying to say the fucking word performed. Yeah,
Surup performed the record because he took out so many
sounds on my end that it didn't showcase my producing style.

Speaker 2 (22:05):
And I was mad about that.

Speaker 4 (22:06):
So Syrup had to entertain in a way because I
feel like Serp can't rap. I tell him that every
day he can't rap. But he saved me with that,
with me saying that is I wasn't able to work
with a producer. I excuse him with an artist and
take their opinion. You're not a producer. You're not gonna
tell me what to do. Once I start, I let

(22:27):
that down and I started looking at him like, okay,
you can be involved in the process. I think I
became a very way more understanding ear wise producer dealing
with artists, If that makes sense to you, guys, Like
I just had it. When I was producing, it was
is my way or the highway in a way, And
that's why I didn't collab with a lot of producers.
I say, if you've noticed, I don't collab with a
lot of producers. But like me, working with so many artists,

(22:50):
it opens it just opened it up.

Speaker 2 (22:52):
But yeah, but go ahead, I'm sorry.

Speaker 3 (22:54):
Well, I mean when you were during that time though,
how did you know how to do the strings? How
did you know how to do all those twenty sounds
that eventually got taken out? But where did you learn
that skill?

Speaker 4 (23:07):
Well, that came from just researching and my homie Bobby Black,
which is my mentor. He showed me how to chop,
how to use free loops in appropriate way. Because I
don't play the keys, I don't know how to sonically,
sonically or physically play the keys, so he taught me
how to use free loops and manip it and use

(23:28):
it with the drums. Gene told me, he said, it
doesn't matter about the sound, but get the drums down.
That's why, if you notice with draft, my drums is
very crucial. So I focus more on the drums and
not more on the piano ish or the sounds of it.
I take the sounds that I'm mimicking. I make it
the best I can. But my specialty is drums. I
don't know how to play the drums. I used to

(23:48):
go to church just to watch my cousins. Out to
my cousin HP, but I used to watch his feet
at church.

Speaker 2 (23:53):
Just for the drums. So I take a sample, chop it,
stretch it.

Speaker 4 (23:59):
But the drums for me, it's everything, percussions all that
and uh shout out to my boy echo.

Speaker 2 (24:06):
Yeah. Anyways, is is that.

Speaker 1 (24:08):
The first thing when you sit down to make a beat,
is that the first thing you come up with is
the drums? Or where do you get your first idea?
You know, like if you have a blank canvas, what
like what are you laying down first? Does the inspiration
come from somewhere? Do you need it. Are you out
and you hear sounds and you're like, oh, that would
be a dope beat.

Speaker 4 (24:25):
Mmm. I got access before, and I didn't like the
way I answered this, So I'm I'm gonna I'm gonna
answer it the same way.

Speaker 2 (24:33):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (24:35):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (24:35):
I mean, I'm not the type where ain't gonna sit
there and be like, oh.

Speaker 4 (24:38):
I went down the street and I just thought about it,
and it came to me like, no, what we're talking.
We're talking to artists, We're talking to the environment. I
make beats different in Vegas. I make beats different in
l A. I make beats different in the babe, Like, okay.

Speaker 1 (24:51):
Let's just listen to this. For example, let's talk about Bounce,
Like how did that record come about?

Speaker 2 (24:55):
Seek? See?

Speaker 4 (24:56):
Now this shit gonna get real. So there's a guy
called Liz. I'm calling l I Z. His brother got
drafted to the New York Jets. I think he called
me and said, Hey, this is the real life things.
Liz was working on his album and he said, Yo,

(25:18):
my brother just got signed to the NFL. Either you
make the beat, because I want to beat for Mustard.
Either you make it or I'm gonna have my brother
by the beat for Mustard. This is a real story
of bouncing. I said, what did that mean? Because it
sounded confusing, probably right now to everybody, Like what you're saying?

(25:38):
He said to me, threatened if I don't make a beat,
because it's the last song Bounced, was the last song
that puts me on this album. If I don't make
the beat, he's gonna have his brother paid for a
beat to DJ Mustard, like his brother gonna clear the check.
They got money. Bitch, you got me fucked up calling

(25:58):
you calling me for a reason.

Speaker 2 (25:59):
So here we go.

Speaker 4 (26:00):
This is what we're gonna do. All right, So give
me five minutes. I have to beat for you, Liz. Whatever,
hung up on you, sweating guy. I went to my room.
I have two twelve to twelve speakers. One faced it
this way, the other one's this way. It's in my room.

Speaker 2 (26:14):
I see her and go like.

Speaker 4 (26:15):
This, won't won't, won't, won't won't.

Speaker 2 (26:23):
This is me making beats, guys.

Speaker 4 (26:25):
Hold on, won't, won't? Hey, hey, hey, whatever? It comes
together because you know the beat is very simple. Yeah,
five minutes, and the most important story about this is
the title.

Speaker 2 (26:36):
Liz. You know.

Speaker 4 (26:38):
Draft on the beat Ho L O L beat permitted
one O two sent it five minutes. I did the
beat in five minutes.

Speaker 2 (26:44):
I did the.

Speaker 4 (26:45):
Bounce, the womp, that's it only sirs. Yeah, the baseline,
I'm done and the hayes. I can cut back. I said,
check your email. I get it me and I mean,
all a fight right now, right now, like you didn't.
I didn't do that mortar story was that inspired me

(27:06):
the challenge. I didn't go outside and be like, oh,
I'm gonna make a beat.

Speaker 2 (27:10):
I'm gonna start off with this.

Speaker 4 (27:11):
I was just like, I gotta make this fast, which
is bad.

Speaker 2 (27:15):
You know me.

Speaker 4 (27:15):
Microwave food is cool, but you want to cook. But
you got me fucked up. You ain't about to challenge
me to He called you out on mustard and everything. Yeah,
being respectfully end up being one of my biggest records
to this day.

Speaker 1 (27:30):
It always happens like that.

Speaker 4 (27:31):
And that is a real story. I was in my room.
I made Bounce in five minutes just to get back
at Bruh because he said he threatened me that his
brother was gonna buy the beat.

Speaker 3 (27:41):
They didn't buy it, but I was just gonna ask.
It wasn't gonna wasn't gonna be the same price they
were to pay Mustard, I.

Speaker 4 (27:48):
Didn't charge it.

Speaker 3 (27:49):
I didn't charge you.

Speaker 4 (27:52):
Eleven. What we're gonna do? What you're tripping man until
six manuntil six mts. I'm like, okay, cool, I got TKR.
So anyways, it was a lot in that era. It
was a lot going on. But Bounce made me feel
like and this goes back to your question of like,

(28:13):
how do I make the beats?

Speaker 2 (28:14):
What I start off with it does matter, but it
doesn't matter.

Speaker 4 (28:17):
I usually go off feeling we make I can make
a beat right now in this setting with all of
us not just be like so somebody just gotta say
it real quick, dramatic what we're making.

Speaker 2 (28:25):
Anybody say anything, what we're making?

Speaker 1 (28:27):
Club?

Speaker 3 (28:28):
What you want to make a club? Back to the club?

Speaker 4 (28:30):
Artumatically, it's in my brain. I'm like ninety seven one two,
that's the perfect. Yeah, okay, so there you go. It's
about my setting. It's not about necessarily like, yes, I
have to have fruit loops. I don't use anything else.

Speaker 2 (28:44):
I will not.

Speaker 4 (28:45):
I just proved that by going to the trip with
the kids. I just talked kids how to make beats
off for the loops. So those so that one person
again that told me that frud loops was nothing back
in two thousand and ten when they crucified us being
on foot loops because you're not on reasons, you know,
on the motif you know what I'm saying, you motif niggas.

Speaker 3 (29:05):
You know the keyboard, Yeah, that's using the keyboards right, Yeah,
keyboard and PCs.

Speaker 4 (29:12):
Ain't nothing wrong with it. But Tim Alane told me
I can make a beat out of trash can and
make a million dollars I have.

Speaker 2 (29:17):
I not have, but I will.

Speaker 4 (29:19):
I didn't made nothing out of something. Let's just say so.
I feel like it's just about like the moments for
me and every career, I mean every song I made
with the artist, without the artist making the beats starting
to beat.

Speaker 1 (29:34):
It just happens right then and there.

Speaker 3 (29:36):
How did you get the word out that you were
producing beats? How did what's the story of people starting
to come to you? How?

Speaker 4 (29:42):
You know?

Speaker 1 (29:42):
Was it the records that were like?

Speaker 3 (29:43):
How did people know that?

Speaker 2 (29:45):
It's so easy for me? Well, I want both of
y'all to turn around and look what I'm looking at.

Speaker 4 (29:49):
I'm looking at what is what I'm looking at k
Rich made sure I heard I was broke. I tag
was tagging, I did. I did the King of the Sixteen,
Queen of Sixteen. I just had somebody coming to me

(30:09):
and was like, you know, I was a part of
the King of sixteen, y'all know.

Speaker 2 (30:11):
Kicked me out.

Speaker 4 (30:12):
I'm like, but that's how John met I. Literally ninety
five allowed me to have my mother call me. May
she rest in peace.

Speaker 2 (30:21):
I love her to death.

Speaker 4 (30:22):
She called me and she was like, not basically, I know,
we wasted that money. You know what I'm saying, you're
a producer now, but like she was really proud. She
was just like I hear my baby on the radio.
I think she was more excited I was on the
radio than me be on a commercial because you know,
again being on the radio at that era and time,
which is the radio is.

Speaker 2 (30:40):
Still cracking now.

Speaker 4 (30:40):
But like that era, that era of like all my
Homegon show, like I used to tell this talk to
this girl like Sunday and nine, she had for real,
better be tuned in.

Speaker 2 (30:51):
I'm about to be played.

Speaker 4 (30:53):
So that's how that's that's great got me out there
to be like niggas still know me as draft the
producer from B ninety five Homegrown show.

Speaker 1 (31:07):
All right, so uh, let's stash forward to like what
you got going on now, because it's been a minute
since since we caught up. So I want to know.
I know you said you've been working with mister Echo,
mister Echo or Eco okay, Eco, yes, and doing stuff
with like the Fresno School District. You're showing kids how
to make beats. What's going on? So mister Echo was, well,

(31:27):
I was.

Speaker 4 (31:27):
He's a a superhero environment rap superstar, meaning that he.

Speaker 2 (31:34):
Talked about the Earth recycling.

Speaker 1 (31:41):
Is it like a Captain Planet situation kind of?

Speaker 4 (31:44):
And it's funny because he was with us at five
FI nine with Always Music TV and he shot a
lot of videos and he just came up to me
one day and he was like, I need a producer.
You know, he's tired of using YouTube beats or whatever.
And this is like twenty eleven ish, and I told
mister Echo and I was like, all right, cool off,
produce for you, you know what I mean, just make sure
the money's right. He took care of me from twenty

(32:05):
eleven up until now. My Instagram guys, it's a shameless
plug draft in three thousand and nine. If you go
on my Instagram right now and type in our look
at draft x mister Eco, you will see from that
time I'm saying twenty eleven with his vision up until
this year. Of last month, he did a show in
at the Saruna Theaters. Yeah, I mean sold out kids everywhere,

(32:29):
screaming and hollering. The whole show was produced by me.
Oh nice, whole entire show. Like the entire show is
produced by me. That's one. So we move on to
another one that I did. I just came back from
to day to day Greeto B Schoolyard rap, shout out
to my boy Dre the Moss. They got a whole
separate situation kind of like mister Echos, mister eCos. Mister

(32:53):
Echo is white, Greeto B is black. So I'm not racist.
That's the real thing with everybody. And they have to
do with the school. So everything's good, money's clear, everything's good.
But the fact that I just went to a show
with mister Eco this month or last month, and now
I just came back from a show with Greedo B

(33:13):
and school Yard Wrap this month, I'm very proud to
say those two things that I produce me and Dre
produce somewhere Greedo B.

Speaker 2 (33:22):
I fully produced with mister Eco.

Speaker 4 (33:24):
But School your Rap allowed me just last week to
go to Los Angeles, California and teach the kids how
to make beats.

Speaker 2 (33:32):
Doub Yes, I say.

Speaker 4 (33:34):
That positive, guys is really positive. But I'm on a
journey right now where it's like if it ain't positive,
kind of like I don't want to hear it. Man,
I like that, But I want to highlight those two
things that I'm doing currently right now.

Speaker 2 (33:48):
I just came back from the show did you pick
me up? Twelve? From the show.

Speaker 3 (33:53):
That's dope. I just have some these curiosity questions compared
to djang, you know. So I asked you about l
I Z and you said you just did it because
he's the homie, just like DJing. When we first start,
we usually do free events and then we get that
one hundred dollars gig, two hundred dollar gig. What was

(34:14):
the first How much were you charging for beats in
the beginning, after the free, after the free?

Speaker 2 (34:19):
I loved this question.

Speaker 1 (34:20):
The first tax?

Speaker 4 (34:22):
All right, So I have to go backwards.

Speaker 2 (34:24):
I have to.

Speaker 4 (34:25):
I feel like I have to talk really fast and
so much to talk because just on John is my guys.
I'm being kind of comfortable, all right. So I had
this manager. Her name was Angel, and I just hope
nobody that really know me know her.

Speaker 2 (34:40):
Man crazy.

Speaker 4 (34:42):
She sold my beat at five hundred dollars. She gave
me two hundred and fifty dollars. I was so excited.
This is a long time ago, this before bounces, before anything.
I didn't know I was doing when I was young.
I only want to tell you the age, but I
saw the beat for five hundred dollars. She took away half.

Speaker 1 (34:57):
A damn half, yeah, saying commission.

Speaker 4 (35:01):
I was very young, at least fifteen. She gave me
she I sold a beat to a Bay Area rapper.
I do not know his name, but he had lean
and the extra money you know, you know I'm talking
about in the bag, So she come by.

Speaker 2 (35:14):
It was like draft.

Speaker 4 (35:14):
I got two hundred fifty dollars and I'm like, all right, cool.
She gave it to me, but not knowing that she
made five hundred dollars off of it. She got half
of it, which is cool. I consider that my first payment,
but I don't because I got screwed over, but by
me selling the beats, excuse me get him away for free.
And the first person that came up to me was like,
here's a real check. And I can really say this

(35:36):
because dre no. I had two people, but my first
one was the homie from the bay. I forgot his name.
Thousand dollars cash at five five nine oh word, okay,
one hundred percent, Like I'm like, is you really about
to do this right now? Youre about to give me
a thousand dollars in cash for something I did in
twenty minutes?

Speaker 3 (35:56):
Imposter syndrome? Much?

Speaker 4 (35:59):
Can we fair? That's for it to the to the
bigger checks?

Speaker 1 (36:01):
Yeah, yeah, I were quick.

Speaker 4 (36:02):
As from small to bigger. Yeah all right, so it's not.

Speaker 2 (36:05):
That big, but I did just well.

Speaker 4 (36:08):
I did receive six thousand dollars from uh ESPN and
they played it on. That's why I put the wh
they cashed out for that price is cool. I mean
the money of it is cool. Shout out to my
boy dubbed Shake, I love you, bro. If it wasn't
for you, I won't even got that check. But I
started get used to it, not used to it, but
it was like went from that to like Okay, it

(36:29):
makes sense.

Speaker 2 (36:30):
Everybody want me.

Speaker 4 (36:31):
I charged five dollars here, dolls here, fifteen here, this
project is here. But like the big one that made
me feel like, okay, we really Gucci because I love
basketball was from ESPN.

Speaker 1 (36:41):
Yeah, not to mention, I mean ESPN. You know what
I mean.

Speaker 3 (36:44):
That's you shout it out a name. But my question
is how did that connect? How did you get connected
with ESPN?

Speaker 4 (36:51):
Dubbed Shakespeare and you know he knows he my guy,
that's my guy. If you ever look him up, that's
the homie. So I had I had to say this correctly.
So I had the ex manager named hub Real hooked
me up with another guy named Dubb Shakespeare and dubbed
specializing and sync license and movie scoring and all, like
you know, he's a big engineer. He's out in LA

(37:14):
and he heard my beats just like not to my
own horn, but like everybody hear my beats. They be like, okay,
I can place it here, I can do this and that.
And it was one day I was in the studio
with him. It was me and him and Hubb. He
was just like press play and I pressed played on
the ESPN beats that I thought that was ESPN beats
and he was like, yeah, yeah, send him to the email.

Speaker 2 (37:38):
I'm like, all right, cool. We sent to the email
two months later.

Speaker 4 (37:44):
And it's not like that, and I don't want to
bring that energy off. God's hey, I've been doing this
for a very long time. It doesn't happen overnight, and
it doesn't it does. It's not like I just walked.

Speaker 1 (37:51):
In there and it was like, oh, I mean we've heard
We've been hearing your story. Man. There's been a lot
of ups and downs, and yes, it's doing for free
and getting half your check taken from.

Speaker 4 (37:59):
You, getting at getting told not you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (38:02):
It's a lot.

Speaker 3 (38:03):
Is there ever any of these stories where because we
see it when we do shows backstage, we're backstage add
like a big show and you know some homies are
back there. Always. I see that hustle, which I considered
a hustle where they asked the bigger artists like let
me get you a beat, Like, was there any ever
those cool stories of.

Speaker 1 (38:25):
Of men I'm throwing a beat to some artists and then.

Speaker 3 (38:28):
Them you actually using it? Or do they Hollywood they do.

Speaker 1 (38:34):
At the club.

Speaker 4 (38:35):
It'll be it'll be more like it'd be more like
I don't know. I rean it to Eat forty with
k Rich. I was at the So was it the
LA one? I think it was the LA one where
I met hit Boy. I met eight forty hell of
people and I gave them my email and I gave
them beats. I just never hear back from like that.
It's not like that. I didn't work with SB. I

(38:56):
didn't work with a lot of people that I worked
in front of and they did it right then, like
if we're in a session.

Speaker 2 (39:03):
But yeah, they do Hollywood a lot.

Speaker 4 (39:05):
I don't got a lot of stories where I'm like
giving a person a beat and then they go off
and they send it back to me of a bigger
name somebody. But like because right now I'm not saying
like this, I don't want to say like this.

Speaker 2 (39:18):
I'm sorry, Savee.

Speaker 4 (39:19):
I don't consider Shaves big to me because I know him.
That's the homie. Look like he's big. But you know,
I'm like, that's the homie, He's the homie. Eric. But
this person, this person, But I don't know. I ain't
gonna fr you think I have a story. I don't
have a do you do you.

Speaker 3 (39:32):
Think there's still more. There's more, meaning a next level
to your producer.

Speaker 2 (39:41):
I know how I get.

Speaker 4 (39:42):
I would say yes, but I'm leaning towards right now, John,
ain't go fron I'm leaning towards positivity meaning when you
keep when I keep saying positivity, meaning like like.

Speaker 1 (39:50):
The stuff you're doing with the I just.

Speaker 2 (39:51):
Want to I just want to move.

Speaker 3 (39:52):
It just brings what you're doing now, it brings you joy.

Speaker 4 (39:55):
I want to impact my producing the artist. I sometimes
I go off and be like, I'm I start rapping producing,
I'll be producing. But to me, produced by draft had
to stand for more because I got two daughters that
gotta look up to Dad, like what you have done. Yes,
I've done this for this, but right now, ain't gonna funt.
Shout out to my boy Jerry the most Bro. I'm
in my feeling. I love you, Bro, I love you,

(40:17):
my nigga. And you gotta understand this when you hear this,
you know, like school yard rap. Doing that with the
kids like that impacted me because now my mentor Bobby
Black and Jean taught me something. I taught Cities the
producer City something echo that. But now I'm teaching the
youth world, like we're trying to take this to a
whole other level. Like producing is producing, but me at

(40:40):
my age and the people I'm around, it's all about inspiring.
What are you learning today? You can learn from me,
but let's have a conversation. I'm I love to listen
because I'm learning from you, but I will also talk
to game you up. So that's what that's what I'm
on right now. Open mics. I wanna do open mics.
Give me a job. I want a job. I want

(41:00):
a job. I want to impact the community that I
was with Syrup. I'm mad I'm with Syrup two weeks
ago and I said, hey, bitch, I never I never.
I never impacted the community. Like I didn't do no giveaways.
I don't do nothing for the community.

Speaker 2 (41:17):
What should I do? He was like, this is Syrup.

Speaker 4 (41:21):
Figure it out? Sound like what he would say, figure
it out, but but helping me inspire it.

Speaker 1 (41:29):
So because he does a lot of that, right, Yeah,
I got the phone him. I'm like, I'm like, now
we gotta get him in here next.

Speaker 2 (41:35):
Yes, he was supposed to come listen. Fuck him listen.

Speaker 4 (41:39):
I'm like, Syrup, you're doing so good that you're making
me feel like I'm not doing nothing right man.

Speaker 1 (41:46):
I mean, if it brings you happiness, like to me,
that's what always like, whatever makes you happy in life.

Speaker 4 (41:51):
But but but let's not get a twisted the echo. Yeah,
I kind of said it out loud, but John, magic
don't work, don't don't get it twisted.

Speaker 2 (41:57):
Were waiting on that bad bunny placement.

Speaker 4 (42:00):
Yeah, I said it.

Speaker 3 (42:01):
I don't care.

Speaker 4 (42:01):
Yup, I said it. He's supposed to be. I'm waiting
on the echo.

Speaker 3 (42:06):
Speaking of the youth, you know, as an older DJ,
I'm like an old head now with the technology that's
that's around that these kids have new younger DJs are
getting bigger, faster, meaning their names. They're doing bigger clubs
and oh I've only been DJing for three months, like
and but they're already doing festivals because of the technology.

Speaker 1 (42:29):
Social media and yeah, which a lot easier.

Speaker 3 (42:34):
You said you were still using fruity loops. Right, How
do you feel about the younger generation.

Speaker 4 (42:40):
The son and the band lab Because I review music,
that's another thing. I review music on TikTok page right, Yes,
I have a page the review. I review music for
a living John, I really do this.

Speaker 2 (42:53):
And say the question the youth?

Speaker 3 (42:56):
What do you think about the youth? Now? The newcomers
are are they coming up too fast?

Speaker 1 (43:01):
Because they have they have access to social media and technology.

Speaker 3 (43:05):
Some of the older DJs are saying, yeah, you guys
are doing festivals, but your your skills are not there
yet to the young DJs. I've seen it with my
own eyes, where you know, they're headlining clubs but they
don't know how to mix mix.

Speaker 1 (43:22):
So are you saying are you asking like, are their
skills not quite there yet?

Speaker 4 (43:25):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (43:25):
So yeah, how do you feel about the younger.

Speaker 4 (43:28):
I'm about to explain it. So the way I look
at it is me and Dre have this conversation. It's
either you gonna win or you're gonna lose. You you're
gonna be with the group?

Speaker 2 (43:35):
Are you not?

Speaker 4 (43:35):
And that's the real thing you're gonna know after the story.
So we got such thing called AI. So hopefully I'm
saying this right suno soo. Whatever you know, you can
turn a song into basically anything, you won't. I like it,
but people got to be prepared because I gotta. I
had a mentor name another mentor named Michael L.

Speaker 2 (43:56):
Bart.

Speaker 4 (43:56):
I'm still shotty mouth cool whatever. But he told me this,
this is gonna make sense to my story. Your draft.
You gotta get off a BlackBerry. Nigga, I'm on a BlackBerry.
I mean you know, you know like this the era
you know Rick Ross, fabulous era BlackBerry. You want a BlackBerry?
Cool Cricket.

Speaker 2 (44:16):
We got a BlackBerry that.

Speaker 3 (44:19):
What's your pin number? What's your yes?

Speaker 4 (44:22):
Literally, so to say this, to say this, he said, draft,
you better hurry up because touch screens coming out.

Speaker 2 (44:30):
What the is touch screen?

Speaker 4 (44:31):
Like the whole phone gonna touch screen, like nigga, trip
to switch, we switched to iPhone. What I'm saying is, guys,
he's here. I'm sorry for DJs, writers, producers, you just
got riders. You gotta embrace it.

Speaker 2 (44:42):
Ai is here.

Speaker 4 (44:44):
You're gonna find that that person like me that want
to be a DJ. I want to be a DJ,
and I'm going YouTube and be like the only thing
you gotta do is this and you're gonna laugh. I'm ready,
person played doing my little know what I'm doing and
it's a real thing, brother, Like it's it's they gotta
embrace it. AI is here. Uh, the easy shortcuts, It's here.

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They called Drayden be like, Damn, shouldn't be saying this.
They called dream and be like hey bro, like hey bro,
can you mix this and watch this draft? And it's easy.
It's easier and easy now easy back then it's like
you can if a nigga can virtually be in a

(45:26):
gym and it could just muscles, it would just grow
on itself.

Speaker 2 (45:30):
Like they would do it.

Speaker 1 (45:31):
I mean, you got these like AI artists, isn't was it,
Timbaland you just put out like an AI artist? You
know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (45:36):
You got so to answer it. I agree with it,
and then I don't, but I have to accept.

Speaker 3 (45:43):
You know, you know what it is. It's not I
I agree with you.

Speaker 4 (45:45):
One.

Speaker 3 (45:46):
It's not that we're hating on the younger generation. It's
like there's so many more steps that if you guys
learn these little steps can take you to another level.

Speaker 1 (45:56):
Yeah, because now it's being like fast tracked with technology,
right and something really fast now right?

Speaker 4 (46:02):
Yeah, and now give me a bad thing when you
don't know how to mix. And that's another thing. Listen, Johnny,
you said it right. I went to I went to
this little meeting. This is side note. I went to
the meeting and this girl.

Speaker 2 (46:11):
Was like, I'm a DJ.

Speaker 4 (46:12):
I'm a DJ because if you're around me, if you
do music or do anything, I will not put you
on the spot.

Speaker 2 (46:16):
But if you talk too much, I'll put you on
the spot. Talking for it.

Speaker 4 (46:18):
What you do, you're rapper, rap, your producer, Show me
some beats. My ears there's always right here and they
can put up the phone. He put a phone straight
to my ear and I'll be like, oh, that beats tight.
I told her, I said, DJ, and the only thing
I'm looking for is to mix, is ill be around
amazing DJs. So to all the DJs I know, and
I ain't gonna say all of y'all, but y'all know
who you are. But like I understand the mix, I

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understand the blending of it. And the girl got on
the fucking thing and she did her thing. Also, I've
seen other people that don't that say they know what
they're doing and don't know what they're doing and mixing
it with the AI and all that shit, and it
looks stupid. So, yes, AI is a good thing. You
learn fast. All this cool gizo, that's cool, right, right, right,

(46:58):
But if you don't know what you're doing when the
moment is cracking and it's something you know what I mean,
like you need to turn into.

Speaker 2 (47:06):
The room the fuck you plan, let's read it.

Speaker 1 (47:10):
I just want to like that ship can only take
you so far far. Yeah, I like that And that's
real all right, man, just even ended on that. But
I do want to say this real quick because I
know you text me this. But you got a clothing
line coming up?

Speaker 4 (47:24):
Yeah, yes, I'm I always did a dabbing in the
clothing line, but I want to name it look up
because it was supposed to be produced by Drafts. You
don't have my shirts and my sweaters, you know, back then.
But I am comfortable to talk about that. But that
is gearing up because that's something that is I've been
doing so I was sixteen. I'm I want to turn
that into a business. But it's a hobby.

Speaker 2 (47:44):
Guys.

Speaker 4 (47:44):
If you have a hobby, keep it. If you're going
to turn that hobby into a job, you're gonna hate it.
And that's that's the real thing to me. And I
hate it because I don't want to give away when
I have my peace of mind when I'm making my
clothes and all that stuff.

Speaker 2 (47:57):
I like that.

Speaker 1 (47:58):
Yeah, I turned into a business. Then you're gonna start
stressing on it. And yeah, I'm.

Speaker 4 (48:03):
Gonna still do it. Guys, I always don't give up
on your dreams. To just be careful.

Speaker 3 (48:07):
I'm gonna do one last question to to wrap this up,
one last thing just because the whole uh, the big
thing about the producers tagging.

Speaker 4 (48:17):
Tags?

Speaker 3 (48:18):
Yeah? What alse?

Speaker 4 (48:22):
What else from?

Speaker 3 (48:23):
Well? Well not yeah, but what let's let's do something.
Let's do some sample?

Speaker 1 (48:27):
What what?

Speaker 4 (48:27):
Who?

Speaker 3 (48:28):
There's there's so much more.

Speaker 1 (48:31):
You got any favorites?

Speaker 3 (48:35):
My mind just kind of like blanked out, But there's
so many. There's so many out. Oh yeah, Metro, do.

Speaker 4 (48:40):
You because he's from Fresno? And I hate this, but
I really like echo tag. Hey, Echo turn it up?
He turn this beat off, tripping on it.

Speaker 2 (48:49):
I love it. I like I like his tag.

Speaker 1 (48:52):
So all these tags, there's a lot of we can't
think of for some reason, Metro.

Speaker 3 (48:58):
So when you when it was time for you to
come up with one, how were you stressed out about that?

Speaker 4 (49:04):
But it's easy. This is gonna be a layup. It's
gonna be quicker than last. All right. So the way
I came up with my tag was it was when
did I'm the biggest boss that you see this fall
came out whenever that came out, Yes, when Rick Ross
came out, and then it did like this and it's
gonna I'm ended like this music.

Speaker 3 (49:24):
When you hear that fact.

Speaker 4 (49:27):
Draft is there, you go Draft Member may Back music,
and I swear to God, try to chop it. The
thing was like, this is your boy draft member may
Mack music.

Speaker 2 (49:39):
I say, oh, I'm going to take it.

Speaker 1 (49:41):
That one does sound tight though, that is a good
one that.

Speaker 4 (49:43):
Came from that. Literally, I didn't even overthink that. I
was like, I'm gonna chop it just like that.

Speaker 3 (49:49):
Is that your Is that your voice?

Speaker 2 (49:50):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (49:50):
Okay? Other people use different okay.

Speaker 2 (49:53):
And and they m.

Speaker 4 (49:58):
My ex bitch wanted me to change it. But anyways,
she wanted me to change my tack. I looked at
her like, you got me fucked up. I've never changed
my tax.

Speaker 1 (50:07):
There you go, h Draft all right? Before we let
you go, man, last plugs. I know you can't put
out there earlier, but like the Instagram or work, if
people can catch you, watch you, listen to you.

Speaker 2 (50:18):
I'm gonna start off with this.

Speaker 4 (50:19):
Uh. The review on TikTok I do a lot of
people send me music and I just review and be
high and right now on this podcast, I'd be like
that all the time. But the review shot at me.
I mean follow me Draft three thousand and nine. I'd
be on there mainly. And if you want to send
music for me, to check out Draft Live at Draft

(50:40):
live Music at gmail dot com. That's the plugs right there.

Speaker 3 (50:44):
This was a fun episode.

Speaker 1 (50:45):
This was fun.

Speaker 2 (50:45):
Man shout out to Jizzo.

Speaker 4 (50:48):
Man, I understand, like I text Jizo, I told him,
I say, hey, bro, I want to do an interview
from the drop that was years ago, yes with homie.

Speaker 2 (50:54):
And he accepted it.

Speaker 4 (50:55):
And then and then my other homie called me was like, hey,
how did you get giggled?

Speaker 2 (50:58):
Mind your business?

Speaker 1 (51:00):
Know I he because Draft is always on time