Episode 503 - Killer Con Man

Terry Rasmussen’s killing spree has been widely covered by news media outlets and true crime shows but they leave out an unsolved piece to a sick and twisted puzzle. Pete Headley recently retired from the San Bernardino County Sheriff’s Department where he was an investigator with the Crimes Against Children Unit. Headley breaks down Rasmussen’s path but also gives insight on a case of a missing mother and children from the Anaheim, CA area. When you hear Headley’s theory about Rasmussen you can tell why he thinks the Killer Con Man probably had something to do with the family’s disappearance and probable murder. Click on the bonus episode to learn about the forensic science involved in tracking and identifying Rasmussen and his innocent victims.

Episode Transcript

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You're listening to kf I AM sixtyon demand, KFI AM six forty live
everywhere on the iHeartRadio app. Onany given day in southern California, hundreds

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of investigators are working more than tenthousand unsolved cases. That's thousands of friends
and families who have lost loved ones, thousands of people who got away with
a crime, and thousands of murdererswho still walk the streets. Killers who
may be your neighbor, go toyour church, or could be dating a
close friend. For the next twohours, will highlight cases that have gone

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cold, baffled investigators, or justneeds that one witness to speak up.
This is Unsolved with Steve Gregory.In this episode, we get to know
Terry Rasmussen, a man born inArizona, lived in California, and died

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in prison. Rasmussen's story has beentold many times by many TV and media
outlets, But for the next couplehours, a retired investigator from the San
Bernardino County Sheriff's Department breaks down thehighlights of Rasmussen's killing spree and ends with
a connection to an unsolved case outof Anaheim and tell you up front this
case is complicated. It's got manylayers and you're going to be a little

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confused in the beginning, but stayuntil the end. As retired investigator Peter
Headley tells us about the case ofthe Killer Conman, Yes, in nineteen
eighty six, our department was contactedby mister Missus Decker and they had been
staying in the Holiday host RV parkand there was a guy there going by

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the name Gordon Jensen that had aapproximate five year old girl with him that
he said was his daughter. Theyknew something was wrong. She was crying
at night, not well kempt,and they threw out the idea to him
that hey, our daughter can't havekids, she'd like to adopt. What
do you think and he ended upsaying, yeah, here, take her

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on a trial adoption. So theytook the child known as Lisa back to
where they lived here in our jurisdiction, and that's when they realized she'd been
molested. So they contacted our departmentand that's when we had first contact with
this Gordon Jensen, and a reportwas generated for child abandonment because he said

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he was her father, and childmolestation. So first of all, that's
very unusual. And where is Scott'sValley, California, Central California. But
so in this RV park, you'resaying, then a couple that was staying
next to this, Gordon Jensen,offered to take the child to give to

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their daughter as an adoption. Iknow, we're kind of going forward a
little bit, but is that becausethey thought that was the best thing for
the child because they actually saw thatthings were not well for the kid.
Yeah, she was not well kept. Her and her alleged father were actually

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living in a campershell on the backof a pickup truck on the RV park.
He was a handyman working on theRV park for his rent and they
just they knew something was off,so they were sort of rescuing the child,
inadvertently rescuing the child. But wouldn'tthat big red flag be that he

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just handed over the child like that. That's a big red flag, isn't
it. At the time, theydidn't think much of it. They were
just thinking about the child's welfare.So then you're made aware of it here
in San Bernardino County and what wasthe next step? Investigation was opened because
it was another jurisdiction what you haveto do as a courtesy report. So

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we investigated the whole case and thencontacted the jurisdiction where it occurred and gave
them the report, and they werethe ones that actually entered the the arrest
warrant for him. So he wasarrested in Central California. Now, actually
he left the RV park when theywent back there to try to contact him,

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he was gone where they find him. Eventually he contact was made again
in nineteen eighty eight and San LuisObispoe County and he was arrested driving a
stolen car out of Idaho. Wow. So there's a lot here going on.
So just to recap, you getthe call from this man and woman

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who have now taken possession of thisyoung girl named Lisa right and they say
that they realize that there that thegirl was uncamped, possibly sexually abused,
and generates a report. They putout an arrest warrant for him in Central
California, and but he's nowhere tobe found. He's later found in Idaho,

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is that correct? Actually in SanLuis Obispo County, California, with
a stolen car out of Idahoo.It sounds like we're gonna have to keep
track of a lot of things here, right, Yeah, this is a
big case. So then, um, meanwhile, what's the disposition of the
girl? She was taken into childprotective services and was eventually adopted out to

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that couple, someone else, tosomeone else, so she went into the
care of the county. Yes,now, so you've got to find this
guy. You track him down inSan Louis Obispo. What happened next?
He pled out to child abandonment charges. The adopted parents did not want her

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to have to testify, so chargeswere just child abandonment and of course the
stolen car, So he pled outto those and he served about a year
and a half and then in nineteenninety he got out on parole and immediately
absconded. Were you on this caseat this point? No? What did
you know about this guy? Whenyou say absconded, he took off thing

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clearly, But what did you knowabout this guy? I mean, did
you learn anything about him? Ordid the detectives learn anything about him back
then? Yet? Actually, whenthey first did the investigation, Cliff Harris
was a detective from Crimes against Shoulderand who did a very thorough job.
He actually took apart some audio equipmentthat he had es Gordon Jensen had worked

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on and got fingerprints in side ofthe equipment. With those fingerprints, it
came back to a different name,Curtis Kimball. And under the name Curtis
Kimball, he had been in theAnaheim area, southern California. Back in
nineteen eighty five. He'd crashed acar with Lisa in the car, so

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he was arrested for a child endangermentback then in drunk driving, and he
had fled from those charges, sohe still had warrants for his arrest from
that case. So this guy wasa career criminal of sorts exactly. So
now the guys out what happens next. The next time he's contacted is by

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Contra Coasta County and he had starteda relationship with Unston June. He worked
as a handyman and the Contra CoastaCounty area and her friend, Renee Rose,
had reported her missing. He reportedUnston June missing, so detectives went

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and contacted him and he was like, oh, yeah, sure, I'll
talk to you. And while theywere talking to him, now we have
live scan his fingerprints came back whilehe's still sitting there. Previous to that,
it could take a day or twofor fingerprints to come back. And
just to clarify live scan for peoplethat don't know, that's that people have

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to get scanned, and it's digitaland there's a big database, and that's
how people get background checks to workat places and for employment purposes and things
like that. Right well, it'sfor fingerprinting. So you get your results
of the fingerprints back almost immediately nowbefore it could take a day's a couple
of days. I'm gonna pause rightthere because we're gonna take a break.
When we come back. There's alot to unpack here, Pete, and

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we'll get there. But first,this is Unsolved with Steve Gregory on kf
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This is Unsolved. We're speaking withPete Headley is a retired deputy with
the San Bernardino County Sheriff's Department,also a member of the Crimes against Children's
Unit. Back many years ago,picked up a case involving a young girl.
But this case would turn out tobe more complicated, more complex,

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and it would span across the country. And we're dealing with one individual who
I guess kind of reaped havoc allacross the country, at least on the
West coast. So Pete. Beforebreak, we were talking about a man
named Gordon Jensen who was in anRV park in central California and had a

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young girl with named Lisa, andanother couple living in the same RV park
sort of adopted her, kind ofconvinced him to hand her over as a
means to sort of rescue her.And come to find out, the girl
was not very well kept. Shewas sort of abused and abandoned, sexually
abused, and he was arrested,he was let out, and now he's

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making his way around on the WestCoast. And when we went to break,
he had just gotten fingerprinted. Afew years had gone by and he
went in for a live scan,which is a fingerprint service. What did
you discover? Then he was stillbeing interviewed by the detectives and they asked
him if he'd submit his fingerprints,and he said, yeah, sure,

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And I don't think he kept upwith technology that they could get the fingerprints
back that fast now. And theywere still sitting there talking to him when
the Prince came back and showed thehistory of his name Curtis Kimball Gordon Jensen
in his previous history and that hewas a Pearlee at large and at that

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point under Pearle terms, they couldgo search the house that he was staying
at, which was Unsten June's,who had been reported missing by her friend
Renee Rose. And when they wentout to the house to search, they
discovered Unston's body and the basement.She'd been head bloodgeon partially dismembered, and
he'd covered her with pounds and poundsof kiddy litter. So didn't what didn't

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what happened to him. He wasarrested for her murder, and he was
actually going to plead not guilty,and we believe he overheard Roxane Grundhide,
the detective at the time, talkingabout looking at his previous history, who's
Lisa, who is just really hiskid? This doesn't make sense and I'm
going to dig into this, Andsuddenly the next morning he pled out,

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pled guilty and he was sentenced throughinstance murder, went to prison for that
and all the interviews asking about Lisa, he claimed that he drank too much,
he couldn't remember her, didn't rememberhaving her, just wouldn't give out
any more information about her. Sohe went from being an abductor of children

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to a murderer of women. Yes, so, but there's so much more
here. Let's go back than Pete. You know, years later, you
being in this seat now where you'reretired and you can look back on this
case. Tell us about this guy. I mean, so his legal name
was Curtis Kimball, but that's whatwe believed at the time. That's the

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furthest back name that we had thenbased on fingerprint correct, Okay, and
with that, but anyone can changetheir name, I guess and still attach
it to a fingerprint, right,yes, yeah, okay. So were
you ever able to determine who thisguy was from birth? Eventually we did?

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Okay, So let's go back there. When did you get the case?
Originally I picked up the case andapproximately twenty twelve after he was arrested
for Unsen's murder, Roxanne grun Hidehad gotten DNA testing and compared him to
Lisa, and even though he claimedhe was her father, turned out they

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were not related at all. Andat that point she contacted our department and
said, hey, you've got aliving doe case. He's not the father,
And at that point we reopened theinvestigation on Lisa and tried to determine
where he took her and win.So this it fractured into multiple cases all

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surrounding this one guy, right yeah, yeah, so he gets on your
radar because as he has possession ofthis young girl, everyone assumes she was
the daughter of this guy. Cometo find out that not only was she
not the daughter, but now youhave to figure out where this because this

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girl is with her now new adoptiveparents, right correct. Okay, so
what did you do with all ofthat? How did you approach it?
When you when you're looking at acase going back that far, it's very
difficult. You're trying to find people, backtrack to suspect further. People have
died, people forgot. At onepoint, one of the phone calls who

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made at the RV part from apay phone was to an RV park in
Texas, and I figured, allright, I'm a step further back on
where he was and when? AndI found the owner of the RV park
in Texas, and he kept allthe records of everybody that lived there,
so I figured somebody there knew him. I'm many years further back now,

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but he had sold the RV parkto Kaway. When I contacted them,
they took all those records and threwthem out. So it can feel like
you're beating your head against a wallsometimes when you're working a cold case.
Eventually, did you find anything out? I mean, where did it take
you from there? I mean whenyou hit your wall against a head,
or you hit your head against wall, rather what our next steps. I

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was familiar with Ancestry from one ofmy friends that had medically retired. He
was bored and he lived across thestreet from a warm in church and he'd
been helping them with records, puttingtogether family trees. And I looked at
Ancestry, but it was still areal small database initially, and I kept
in touch with Lisa, telling herwhat we were doing on the case.

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Told her, I'm not going togive up. We're gonna find out who
you are, so okay, Soshe didn't know who she was, No,
she turned out she was kidnapped atabout six months old, and when
she was recoverage she was approximately fiveyears old. Oh my gosh, So
okay, I just want to whenyou said that she didn't even know who

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she was then no, oh okay, gosh, bless her heart. Go
ahead, then I'm sorry. Okay. Ancestry dot Com Okay. So Lisa
actually brought it up to me laterand we said, what about ancestry And
this is by the end of twentyfourteen, And I looked at the database
again and EDY got a lot larger. There's a lot more people in the

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database with their DNA UM. SoI said, well, let's try it.
So I opened an account for wegot her own ancestry, and I
got some matches. Okay, we'lltalk about that, but first we got
to take a break. This isunsolved with Steve Gregory on kf I AM
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your message. Welcome back. We'respeaking with Pete Headley, retired deputy from

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the Sanbridadino County Sheriff's Department but alsowas a member of the Crimes against Children's
Unit, and he has been tellingus this very complicated case that goes back
to the late eighties. And Igotta tell you, Pete, you know,
we were talking a little bit offair, and you're telling me he's
more and more about this guy,and it just I am mind blown.

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I hope we do a good jobon breaking this down for the public because
this is one individual who led oneheck of the live and all the collateral
damage he left in his week,the trauma he caused on on so many
people. So before the break torecap, a man named Curtis Kimbell is
the last name that we had atthe time, had connected with a woman

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named Unsun June and it was aSouth Korean woman and O two. Now
this is after he had already beenarrested and released for the abduction of the
young girl named Lisa from an RVpark in central California. So now it
was because someone had called in atip about unsoon missing that led you to
finding her body buried covered in catlitter by the same man, Curtis Kimball,

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that also had abducted the girl Lisayears before. Am I right?
So far's it got it good?So now he's in prison, and but
you still want to go back andbecause you found out now because the detective
on the murder case tipped you offthat you had a living Dough, a
living Jane Doe. So this younggirl Lisa had absolutely no idea where she

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came from, who she was.So you opened up an ancestry dot com
account and just before break you wereabout to tell us there was a bunch
of matches. What happens next,Well, we got distant matches, and
I started trying to figure out howto work with the trees myself. But
it's a very steep learning curve ifyou're not familiar with it at all.

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So I did some research and Isaw that DNA adoption had been helping the
adoptees find their biofamilies. So Isent them an email asking if the methods
they use would also help in thiscase. And it was a BARBARAE.
Venner that responded through the website.She started advising me and said, well,

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you need to get her on allthe sites. So we signed her
up on family Tree, DNA twentythree and me and then she jumped in
and ran with UM. And ittook almost a year, but we were
able to identify Lisa using genetic genealogy. And it's the first use of genetic

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genealogy by law enforcement using the fullSNIP profile. What's that profile? It's
called a SNIP profile. It's yourDNA profile that lets you compare how you're
related to other people. Let's standfor because I assume that's an acronym SNIP
profile. Yeah, s N ISNP S Oh sorry, okay, and

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what's that stand for? I wouldoh sorry, we put you on the
spot. Yeah, yeah, I'dhave to look at That's what people understand.
So basically, it's a it's adatabase. Yeah, it's a section
of your DNA that shows how you'rerelated to other people. Got it.
It doesn't give us your medical informationor any of that, right, um.
And that's what Ancestry, ft DNAand all those sites use. UM.

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It's a lot more information than CODUS, the law enforcement database the law
enforcement database is a very basic profilefor direct comparison. It doesn't show you
how you're related to other people.So did you find relatives of this baby
girl, Lisa? Yes, Yes, it's a complicated process. The matches

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that you have, you have tobuild their trees back in time, and
eventually they're all going to intersect atone couple. And once you get to
that point, that's your most recentcommon ancestor. Then you can safely say
from that most recent common ancestor,the subject you're looking for is a descendant

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of that couple. Then you haveto build all the family trees down from
that couple, and that's where youstart target testing. And you have to
call people up and say, hey, you're related to our victim. We
don't know how close or how distantare you willing to test? Give us
your DNA, put it into afamily tree DNA, and a lot of

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people back then nobody had heard aboutthis right, and a lot of people
thought it was a scam. Onelady was afraid I was going to cloner.
Yeah, it was difficult at first, and encourage people, please verify
myself, verify my department, Andeventually we got more and more people target
testing and we were able to getthere and what'd you find? Turned out

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we had a first cousin once removedmatch and I contacted him and he was
able to give me a history ofthe family and she was actually from Manchester,
New Hampshire, and she had beentaken in nineteen eighty one out of

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New Hampshire. At this point Icontacted Manchester Police Department, told him what
I had going on, and gavethem a copy of my case file and
they opened a missing person report forDon Bowden, who was actually Lisa and
her mother, Denise Bowden. Lisa'sgrandfather was still alive and he was able

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to tell us that his daughter withLisa six months old back in nineteen eighty
one, had moved away with herboyfriend and they'd never heard from her again.
And that was part of what thisguy was able to do. He'd
take these people and get him toleave with him, so they're voluntarily missing,

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so there was never any missing personreport in the past because they voluntarily
moved away. Nobody's going to takea missing person report on him. He
was very good at setting that up. So the grandfather was able to give
you more clarity than Yes, hefilled us in on when and where Lisa
had been taken, and when hewas shown a picture of our curd Kimball,

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he identified him as his daughter's boyfriendwho was going by Bob Evans back
in Campshire. Wow, another alias? H and you suppose that was ever
a real name or was that justa fake name? Also? Okay,
so when we come back, weare now adding another name to this long

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list of aliases from this guy thatwe started as as Curtis Kimball. For
the sake of the show today,but when we come back, I want
to talk about what were you ableto get a path of what happened after
Bob Evans and his girlfriend and thenthe girlfriend's daughter Lisa. Were you able

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to get a pattern of where theywent? Yes? Okay, good,
hold on to that thought. Whenwe come back, we'll talk more with
Pete Hedley. But first, thisis Unsolved with Steve greg Ryan camp I
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Unsolved. Welcome back. We're talkingwith Pete Headley. He is a retired
detective from the San Bernardino County Sheriff'sDepartment. We're actually out in San Bernardino
County. Pete used to be amember of the Crimes against Children's unit at
the department and he picked a caseup in twenty twelve that has stuck with

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him all these years. It's thecase of Lisa. Actually, you called
it the who am I Lisa?Case? Correct? Why? Why?
Why? I mean? Who amI Lisa? Because she literally did not
know who was where she came from, which brings us now to right before
the break, you said that youhad gone through this tedious task of giving

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young Lisa an ancestry dot Com accountbecause you didn't realize that she did not
have a pass that you could couldmap out, and because a homicide detective
tied to the case of as weknow, Curtis Kimball at the time,
discovered that Curtis Kimball is the onethat had possession of Lisa at an RV

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park back in the late eighties,and you were able to use ancestry dot
Com to trace Lisa's origins back toNew Hampshire and they were able to track
down her grandfather the grandfather told youafter showing a picture of who you thought
was Curtis Kimball. The grandfather said, oh, that's Bob Evans, the

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boyfriend of my daughter, and theytook off. Is that about right?
That's right, okay, so pickit up from there, okay. Lisa's
grandfather had said that he was spreadingstories around that they owed money to people,
bad people, to some. Heinsinuated that it was drug dealers.
So when they moved away, suddenlynobody thought anything of it. But then

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as time went on they never heardfrom her again. But again he was
very good at setting him up asa voluntary missing so there was never any
missing person report. So at thattime New Hampshire Manchester, New Hampshire Police
Department generated a missing person report forboth of them. Don Bowden was a

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daughter, was Lisa, and DeniseBoden was her mother. Denise is still
missing out there. I'm sure she'sdead. He dumped her somewhere, but
her remains have not been found yet. Now, I had been working on
the Lisa case with NECMEC, whichis a National Center for Missing and Exploited
Children, and they told me,hey, there's another case down the road

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that has similar m for four murdervictims. It was head bludgeoning and partial
dismemberment that were left in barrels nearbear Brook State Park. And you really
need to talk to New Hampshire StatePolice. So I got in touch with
them and we started comparing notes andstarted connecting dots between now Bob Evans and

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the bear Brook murders. And thenwe got the freeway connector doing DNA testing.
The one child in the barrel thatwas unrelated to the other three victims
was his bio child, So itwas this Bob Evans biochild, correct,
So he presumably killed his own child, yes, okay, And as far

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as where her mother is, oddsare she's dead too. And then they
started working on identifying the woman andher two daughters that were in the barrels.
Also, Barbara ray Vnter worked withthem also on that um And there's
there's a lot of private sluice outthere that do research. And Barbara had

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been putting together a family tree onthe victims and at about the same time
let me pull up her name asRebecca Heath that contacted me and she'd seen
on family Finder that people these folkwere looking for their sister that had two

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daughters, and the time frame match, the ages matched, And when I
talked to Barbara, she already hadthe name of that person in her tree.
It was Marley's honey Church and hertwo daughters that was Marie and Sarah.
And it turned out that was whothose victims were in the barrels and

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the barrels. Yes. Wow,So now this guy we went from Curtis
Kimball to Bob Evans, and BobEvans might have been tied. Now let
me ask you, then, thisis all after the fact, This is
after he's already in prison. Ishe still in prison at this point?

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He died in prison in two thousandand ten, Okay, so he's he's
Oh, he died in two thousandand ten. Okay. So then you
picked up the case of Lisa twoyears after he already died. So you
were just trying to give Lisa's enclosure, yes, okay, got it,
Okay, But then he died intwo thousand and ten. Now, all
this new information about New Hampshire,when did that come out? When were

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you discovering all of that? Andit was March twenty fifteen that I contacted
Barbara Raventter, and it was untilthe next year, nineteen eighty six,
that we placed her back in NewHampshire and actually identified her as don Bowden.
Okay, so this is all thiswas all after he's dead and gone,
correct. Okay, so this isall about for you now, Pete.

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This sounds like this is all reallyabout closure and just just getting to
the truth and settling all of this, right, yeah, Okay, yeah,
because it just sounds like every timeyou, you know, you go
through another door, another door shuts, another one opens, and it just
seems I can't ever catch up ordid any of this. At what point

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were you just shaking your head,going this can't be real. It was
just a matter of keep digging.What else is there? Obviously there's a
lot more to this, and wehad since we had him leaving New Hampshire
in nineteen eighty one, and heshowed up in Anaheim, Southern California in

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nineteen eighty four. We had athree year gap there and we didn't know
where he had been, but wewere getting a feel for what his mo
was by that point, and hewould befriend a young single mom with kids,
and he'd have a child from theprevious victim, and he'd be playing

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the poor mey single dad. Andwhen you say he had a child,
he would he would abduct that child. Basically right, he wasn't having his
own birth children. Well, atone point he did, only the one
that you say was found in thebarrel. Yeah, okay, But but
his emi moving forward is that hewas literally picking up these single moms with
children, killing the mom and takingthe child. Yeah. Once he had

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totally had control of this person,isolated them from their family. Once he
looks like he got bored with toyin with them and lay and physically he'd
kill the woman. The youngest childhe'd take with them, and he'd used
that youngest child as to come onto the next victim. Poordny said his
dad. In the meantime, he'sblessed in a torturing the kid and Marles

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Enter two kids were actually from fromsouthern California, and he had isolated him
from their family and moved him acrossthe country to New Hampshire and New Hampshire
and ended up killing them there.When we come back, I want to
find out what the connection is betweenBob Evans and New Hampshire. But first
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the Inland Empire. After that,sun and seventies all this coming week.
Right now, it is sixty sevenin Garden Grove, seventy three in your
Belinda, sixty six in Long Beach, and seventy in Pasadena. We lead
local live from the KFI twenty fourhour newsroom. I'm Mark Ronner. K

(34:57):
f I AM six forty heard everywherelive on the iHeartRadio app. I'm Steve
Gregory, and this is unsolved.If you're listening on the app, you
can send us a tip about acase, a story, idea, or
a commentent about the show. Justtap the red microphone on the app and
record your message. Welcome back.We're speaking with Pete Headley. We're in

(35:22):
San Brendardino County and Pete is aretired deputy from the San Brendardino County Sheriff's
Department who was a member of theCrimes against Children's Unit. He's telling us
about a case. It takes usback to nineteen eighty six, but he
picked up the case in twenty twelve. He's been trying all this time to
give some closure to a young backthen was a young girl who had been

(35:44):
abducted by a man who's gone bya number of different names. And in
the process, Pete's been talking abouthow he's been There's just been this parallel
thing going on where he's trying tofigure out who Lisa is, her background,
but also at the same time thisman with multiple identities about where he

(36:05):
came from and the crimes that hecommitted along the way. Before break,
you were talking a lot about theconnection with New Hampshire, and you know,
we started at the beginning of theshow with a man that you identified
as actually you identified him as CurtisKimball, and then we find out he
went from Curtis Kimball to Bob Evansand one of the things along the way

(36:30):
is that you were trying to figureout who this guy really was. He
ended up being arrested and put intoprison, and he died in You said
twenty ten, died in prison,but he because he was convicted for the
murder of a woman that he befriendedand duped. Whoo, Pete, did

(36:53):
you ever find out who the heckthis guy is or who he was?
Eventually we did. He had diedin prison in twenty ten. The policy
at that time in High Desert Presidentwhere he was was if there was no
family, they would cremate him dumpedthe ashes out to sea. So I
thought were dead ended. But Iwent back to the m E who did

(37:15):
his autopsy and they saved a bloodcard. We were able to get that
and get a snip profile, andusing the same methods as we used on
Lisa, we were able to identifyhim positively as Terry Rasmussen. Terry Rasmussen,
so we write that one down.So that's another name, and so

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this we're talking about genealogical DNA,correct, right, Okay, Terry Rasmussen.
So then did that open up somedoors for you? Yeah? At
that point I forwarded everything to NewHampshire State Police, and they contacted his
family that he had been, thathe had when he was under his real
name, Terry Rasmussen, his birthname, and they were still alive.

(38:00):
What members of his family were stillalive? All of them really? That
his wife that he was married tounder the rasmus a name. They had
three kids, two girls, aboy. And when his wife he was
abusive to them also obviously, andwhen she found out that he was abusing

(38:23):
one of the kids, that's whenshe said, we're getting divorced. That's
it. She took the kids andran Otherwise, I told him you'd all
be did too. Wow. Andthen were they able to give you any
other insight on him other than otherthan that? Or did you learn anything
else from other family members that werehis parents still alive? No parents were

(38:45):
dead. We did have places thathe actually lived at that point. Then
once we had his real name,we were able to look at where he
was born, where he went tohigh school, etc. And track him.
Now way, did you learn anythingabout him growing up? I mean,
did you find out anything about whatwould possess a guy to do the

(39:07):
things he did? I had himprofiled further back in the case by a
forensic psychologist that I'd worked with.It was really good and he as the
case progressed, everything he had toldme was very accurate. One of the
things that he'd said was, ifyou could go back far enough in time,
this guy tortured animals as a kid, and he started killing at an

(39:29):
early age, which I believe thatlooking back over the case kind of desensitized
him. He just there was nocare for life. Right. Yeah.
It again, when you go topeople that are torturing animals, they're probably
just going to look at people asthings for their entertainment, and when they

(39:50):
get bored with torturing them, thenthey'd kill them. So you tracking back,
and this was all in New Hampshire, right, He grew up in
New Hampshire. Now, actually hewas born in Colorado and he went to
high school in Arizona. Oh,my gosh, born in Colorado, went
to high school in Arizona. Andthen he didn't complete high school and he

(40:14):
went in the Navy and that's wherehe was trained as an electrician. Wow.
So when did it become a SouthernCalifornia connection for him from the Navy
you think, or how did heget into the southern California area. UM
difficult to say. Well, hewas actually living in the Bay Area with

(40:35):
his family, bunch family, underthe Rasmussen name, under the Rasmussen name,
Okay, under his legal name,the birth name, and so he
was in the Bay Area. Sothat's so. Where was the New Hampshire
connection? How did it? Howdid it? How did he go from
the Bay Area on the west coast? How did you end up in New
Hampshire any idea? I don't knowif he had any action there or not.

(41:00):
But he bounced all over the country. We had him in Colorado,
we had him in Washington, Texas. The truck that he was staying in
at the Holiday host RV park hadTexas plates. He was actually, under
his real name, worked for oilcompany in Texas. So if we were

(41:25):
to go back here, when youpicked up the case in twenty twelve,
and it was because of the crimescommitted against young Lisa, that was she
was just one tiny part of theentire operation, right, I mean she
was. I mean it was abig obviously a big trauma to her,
but in the overall scheme of things, she was just one little tiny piece

(41:45):
in this overall life of this man. Right, So, how old was
this guy? I guess if wewant to go back to nineteen eighty six
and the Holiday host RV park inCentral Valley, in the Central Valley of
California, how old was he then? Um? You know I have to

(42:07):
go back and find his real databirth to tell you that. Okay,
we had under his akas we hadso many different data births. How old
was he when he died? Doyou know? I believe he was in
his late sixties, late sixties.Sixties, yeah, late sixties or early
seventies. Again, I would haveto go back. It's there's so many
details in this case that I'm stilltrying to wrap my head around. The

(42:35):
people in the barrel, the kidsin the barrel, you know. So,
Um, when we come back,I want to stry. I want
to try to go back and seeif we can and do some sort of
a recap and start to build upa recap to bring people up to speed
on all the different things this guy'sdone. But first this is unsolved.
With Steve Gregory on kf I AMsix forty. You're listening to kf I

(42:57):
AM six forty on demand KFI AMsix forty lie everywhere. On the iHeartRadio
app. I'm Steve Gregory. Thisis Unsolved who We've been talking with Pete
Headley about this incredible, incredible caseof this man who spent years conning single

(43:28):
moms all across the country. AndPete, it was your assertion that you
believe this man would befriend these womenand then when he was done with them,
literally kill them, but take theirchildren and use them as bait to
grab another new single mom. Andthat cycle continued for many many years until

(43:53):
he was caught and arrested for themurder of Unsun June. And I'm sorry,
I refresh my memory. Where wasUnston June at? Where does she
live? She was in Contra Coastto Contracast County in California, right,
so she was caught or he wascaught there. He died in prison.
The man died in prison in twentyten. So far we've known him as

(44:14):
Curtis Kimball, Bob Evans. Andthen you say, finally, after many
many years, you were able totrack him down. And his birth name
was Terry Rasmussen. He was bornin Colorado but grew up in Arizona.
What did you learn about him,you know, whether in Colorado or Arizona.
What did you learn about him inArizona? Did you find out anything
about his past? Yeah, wefound the high school that he went to,

(44:37):
and again I had him profiled bya forensic psychologist that I'd worked with.
It was really sharp and he hadsaid, yeah, this is one
of those guys that tortured animals asa kid, and then he graduated to
people. There's two pictures from whenhe was in high school, one year
apart, these two pictures, andif you look at him, he does

(45:00):
navin looked like the same kid.You wouldn't recognize him as the same person.
And I can't say for sure,but I really believe that that's when
he graduated from animals to people thatyear. This clinical psychologist, there's forensic
psychologists he spoke with m Did theygive you a sense in the profile of
what child kind of a childhood?He might have? Had no specifics,

(45:22):
just that he's sure that he torturedanimals as a kid. But was this
Terry ever abused as a child oranything like that? Isn't it typically what
happens in these cases? They notnecessarily so, then Terry Rasmussen now he
goes from Arizona in his high schoolyears. He grows up and he joins

(45:43):
the Navy. Eventually he settles downin the Bay Area, and that's where
he has a wife and a family. Correct, So under his name Rasmus
and the Rasmusen And what kind ofa life did they lead up there?
It looked normal on the surface,but then we found there was a woman

(46:04):
who he worked with that he's startingaffair with, and he was an incredible
convent. He talked her into movinginto their house to help take care of
the kids. So his mistress hehad, he talked his mistress into moving
into the house. Correct, Andthen things got two tents. So he
moved her to Colorado and wait yearsdo you think this happened? Um?

(46:27):
This is oh god, I'd haveto go back. But like you said,
I need a flow chart for allthe yea, you need a flow
chart for this corporate flowchart. SoI would assume it's probably in the seventies
early eighties, yes, okay,okay, sorry, seventies okay. So
he moves her to Colorado and setsher up in an apartment there, drives
back and staying with his family,stays in touch with her by phone,

(46:49):
and I really think that she wasout from under his influence long enough,
and she ran out of money.She went out and got a job of
her own, moved to a differentapartment. Then one day she gets a
call and he says, oh,we're going to move you over here now.
And again she was out from underhis influence long enough. She said
no, no, no, Igot a job now. Da da da

(47:10):
da. And she went home thatnight and all of her personal belongings were
moved out of her apartment. Hehad gone to her apartment manager convinced him
that he was helping her move,and he led him into the apartment and
moved out to all of her personalbelongings. At that point she reported the

(47:32):
theft of her belongings, and thenhe left her alone, went back to
California. And I told her,if you had would have let him move
you, you would have disappeared toSo you actually spoke to the mistress,
Yes, yes, wow? Whatso what else was she able to tell
you about him? When I wastalking to her, she kept saying,

(47:53):
how did I let him talk meinto that? How did I don't get
it? How did he convince meof doing that. So he had an
incredible influence on people. Once hepicked out a target and focused, they
didn't stand much of a chance.Apparently he was very charming. Then I
guess was he could be. Hecould and he spoke. He was smart.

(48:16):
He spoke numerous languages fluently, hadan incredible memory. For example,
when he was pulled over in SaintLouis Obispo in eighty eight with the stolen
car, he threw out the nameJerry Markerman, gave the correct social Security
number, day to birth, everything, And Mockerman is a real person.

(48:37):
I talked to him and he hadhad all of his paperwork stolen out of
his truck in Colorado and he hadjust gone for a job interview, so
everything was there and he stored itin his head and popped it off,
you know, in nineteen eighty eightwhen he got pulled over. So he's

(48:58):
a photographic memory, speaks multiple languages. When he'd show up in a new
place, he'd throw on an accent, different accents. Usually he'd show up
clean shaven and then grow a beerthat. I think that's where they gave
him the nickname Chamillion. He couldjust blend in wherever he was wow.

(49:20):
So then he was in the BayArea with his family under still under his
birth name, Terry Rasmussen. Hemoved his mistress in with the family,
but then moved the mistress to Coloradoin her own apartment, and trying to
retain control of her, she gotwise decided to go off on her own,
but he left her alone because shecalled the cops on him after he

(49:44):
moved all our personal belongings out right, correct? Okay? So then what
happens to him after that? Hiswife finally discovers that he'd been burning their
son with cigarette butts, and shehad been She had filed for divorce before
or and then he talked her intonot doing it, and finally, with
that torturing their own son, she'dhad enough, divorced in, took the

(50:07):
kids and ran. Okay, andthen where did the family go? Where
did the wife and the kids go? Then? I don't remember exactly where
they went. Initially they were theywere back in Arizona, and then left
from there, and then where didRasmussen go at this point? At that
point, it looks like he metMarles and moved her from southern California to

(50:32):
New Hampshire in about nineteen seventy eight. Okay, and we'll stop there.
When we come back more of thisbizarre and very complicated case. But first,
this is Unsolved with Steve Gregory onkf I AM six forty time now
for a news update. You're listeningto kf I AM sixty on demand,

(50:54):
kf I AM six forty lie everywhereon the iHeartRadio app. I'm Steve Gregory
and this is Unsolved. Welcome back, Thanks for joining us. We've been
speaking with Pete Headley about this mostfascinating and very bizarre case of Terry Rasmussen.

(51:20):
That's his birthday, but throughout thelast couple of hours we've been talking
about him as Curtis Kimball and BobEvans and about this bizarre behavior that this
man had over the years. Andbefore the break, Pete, you were
talking about how Rasmussen's family, wifeand children had left him out of the

(51:42):
Bay Area. His mistress, whohe tried to relocate to Colorado, got
wise and she separated all contact withhim. And now you say he's kind
of left alone. What happens next? At some point he met Marley's honey,
church kids and Marlsa's siblings and familyactually met him and he was still

(52:05):
going by his real name in southernCalifornia. Again, he was very good
at isolating his victims from the family, and he had convinced her to move
with him, and the family neverheard from her again. And they're the
ones that ended up in the barrelsof New Hampshire. And we figured he
went to New Hampshire about in nineteenseventy eight or so, and then when

(52:30):
he left in nineteen eighty one withLisa, And we don't know if Denise,
her mother was still alive when heleft or where he dumped her body.
So he showed up in southern Californiaabout nineteen eighty four. He was
working as an electrician, made upa resume very believable. They hired him

(52:55):
and one of his co workers babiesfor Lisa and another six month old child,
a little girl, and when heshows up at the holiday host RV
park, it's just Lisa, Soodds are that six month old is also
dead and her mother wherever he pickedher up at Also there was a woman

(53:19):
that he was seeing dating that hadyoung child or children, and odds are
she's also dead. One of thejobs that he got fired from. It
was because he stole a bandsaw froma job site. What did he need
that for? With his history ofpartial dismemberment of victims. So with those

(53:40):
victims in Anaheim about nineteen eighty five, we have no remains, so no
DNA to test, and I don'thave a name on him, but we
know they existed. We have eyewitnesses. So the only way we're going to
get their names and identify him ifsomebody from back then remembers, Hey,

(54:01):
my neighbor, my co worker,young single mom with kids, was dating
some guy and she moved away suddenlyand we never heard from her again.
It's just kind of weird the wayshe moved away suddenly. That could be
it. Okay, I want tofocus more on that. But what I
want to do now, I wantto let you say all that because I
want to go back down and I'llgo back and unpack a few things.

(54:22):
So when rassmissing after his wife andchildren left him in the Bay Area,
he came to southern California. Correct, He met Marleys at some point Marleies
and this is Honey Church, correct. Okay. Then they relocated to New
Hampshire. He moved them to movethem to New Hampshire. So this honey

(54:45):
church, she had how many children, two daughters, two daughters. Okay.
Then at some point along the way, this woman and her two daughters
were found in the barrels and hisbio child. Okay, So the two
dollars daughters, one was his andone was hers. No, there was
two daughters of Marley's. And thenthere was another child. So there's four

(55:07):
victims total. Oh, and anotherdaughter that would have is his birth daughter,
his biological daughter, excuse me,his biological daughter. Okay. So
the three children and the women wereall found in barrels, the woman and
the three children yet right, okay, And that was never pinned on him,

(55:30):
right, I mean they were neverable to conclusively figure out that he
was tied to that right well,being that it was his own bio daughter
and the barrels along with Marley's andher daughters, it's pretty certain it was
him, Okay, but nothing,but that was never a case. It
was brought, you know, neverfiled, right, No, because they

(55:52):
were discovered and he was long gone. He was long gone. So then
after he leaves him in the barrelsin New Hampshire, he went where again
went back to southern California, correct, with Lisa, with Lisa, and
that was Lisa from that was theyoung girl from Denise, yes, right,
okay, and that was Denise Umthat was his girlfriend, and that's

(56:16):
the Denise's father is the one thatwas able to give you all the information
about Lisa, right, correct,Okay through ancestry, and it led you
back to that. So Denise wasthe girlfriend and the and the mother of
Lisa Um or Don bowden is Lisa'sreal name? Oh, Don Boden,

(56:40):
Right, Okay, Lisa's just thename you guys gave her. Right,
Actually, it's the name that hewas using for he was Then they come
back out to the West coast then, right, Yes, what happened to
the mother of Lisa presumed dead?I'm sure she's dead, but we have

(57:01):
no idea where he dumped her remains. She's not been found. I've been
found. Looking back at this peat, how many dead bodies could be attributed
to him? Do you think youknow the actual count we have? You

(57:23):
know the victims and Anaheim that I'msure dead, we have Oonsen, the
Barebert victims, Lisa's mom, buthe would look him back on him.
He would cycle through victims every aboutthree years. So if you plug that
in, we have no idea howmany. It could be a lot.

(57:49):
Is anyone trying to piece this?I mean, you're retired now and you've
you've been gracious enough to break thisdown for us, But um, whether
yourself or someone else, is someoneout there trying to maybe tie missing persons
cases together and figure all this outand see if if he's the center of
all of this. It's going tobe very difficult. Yeah, it's just

(58:12):
so tough with this guy. Theway he set him up as voluntary missing
so there's no missing person report.He'd move them across the country. It's
going to be tough. When wecome back, we're gonna wrap up with
Pete. It's done a pretty goodjob keeping us trying to keep us focusing
on track with this very complicated gaze. And then let's talk more about what

(58:34):
you want from people about Orange Countyvictims in Orange County, Okay, But
first this is unsolved with Steve Gregoryon camf I AM six forty. You're
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If you're listening on the app,you can send us a tip about
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the red microphone on the app andrecord your message. Welcome back. We're
wrapping up this bizarre case of TerryRasmusser, who we've come to know as

(59:15):
Curtis Kimball and Bob Evans, amongothers. I'm sure Pete Headley has been
given us the breakdown. He wasa member of the Crimes against Children's Unit
at the San Bernardino County Sheriff's Departmentand picked up the case in twenty twelve
because of a young girl who wascalled Lisa at the time. Come to
find out that her real name wasDawn. But you've unpacked a lot of

(59:39):
stuff for us, Pete over thelast couple hours. But one of the
things that you say still kind ofsticks with you is you believe this guy,
Terry Rasmussen, is responsible for thedisappearance and probable death of another woman
and children from Anaheim back in nineteeneighty five. Give us the details on
that. Yeah, he showed upin Anaheim he's working as an electrician and

(01:00:04):
one of his co workers babysat forLisa and another six month old child,
and later on it's just Lisa.And also he was seen in a car
with a woman when he went topick up a check and there was other
children in the car, and hesaid he was dating her. And so
we're sure she's dead too. Shemay have been an unofficial apartment manager.

(01:00:28):
We backtracked him to some apartments backin that time frame. And with Lisa,
when she was recovered, she wasasked if she had siblings and she
said, yeah, but they diedfrom eating quote unquote grass mushrooms when we
were out camping. And it's lookinglike that was probably the other woman's kids

(01:00:50):
that she was referring to. Yeah, because the timeline fits, you're talking
about the woman and children last seenin nineteen eighty five. Lisa and Terry
Rasmussen were seen in eighty six atthe Harvey Park in Central California. So,
now what is it. I mean, there's a a plea to the
public then, right, I mean, if you're going back forty three years,

(01:01:13):
yeah, it's it's quite a waysback. But the only shot we
have at it is if somebody remembersa co worker or a neighbor, maybe
an apartment manager unofficial apartment manager,young, single, bomb with kid or
kids, that suddenly moved away andnever heard from her again, and it
just struck them as kind of weird. If they are out there and hear

(01:01:36):
this and that's a situation, thenthat may well be her. So to
go back though, let's backtrack.Then we're talking nineteen eighty five in Anaheim,
correct, right, that's when shewas last seen Anaheim area. And
then you say that she might alsohave ties to an apartment complex, right,
correct? And where's that apartment companies? One of them was in Fullerton,

(01:01:58):
another one in Anaheim. They're allright there in Orange County area.
Okay, So this is one ofthose situations. This a hail Mary,
you know, absolutely, yeah,right, and I get it. But
you know what, I've been surprisedmany times before on cases we've highlighted in
the people that call. So again, if anyone remembers a woman with children

(01:02:22):
who just suddenly disappeared one day,whether it was your neighbor or someone you
knew down the road from church orwhatever the case was, it just one
day, was there and the nextday they weren't right moved away. Usually
that's the m O. They justsuddenly move away and they're never heard from
again. Okay, In our lastfew minutes, Pete, let's see if

(01:02:43):
I can piece this all together.We find out that Terry Rasmussen was born
in Colorado, grew up in Arizonaat least as high school years. You
say that you saw some photos ofthis guy, and based on the photos
one year apart that you think hewent from killing Anna to killing people.
You got that from a forensic psychologistthat did a profile on him. Then

(01:03:06):
Terry joins the Navy and he eventuallysettles in the Bay Area with his wife
and children. At that time,he has a mistress a co worker.
Moves the mistress in with the family, then moves the mistress to Colorado.
Mistress gets wise, takes off.Terry wanted to still have some control,
moved all of her stuff out ofher apartment in Colorado. She calls the

(01:03:28):
police, He disappears, leaves heralone, then comes back. He was
abusing his children. Then his wifeand kids move from the Bay Area.
They take off. Terry eventually migratesdown to southern California, where he meets
Marley's home church Honey Church. Accuseme, Marley's Honey Church and her two

(01:03:50):
daughters, moves them to New Hampshire. He has a child of his own
with this Marlis. Then they endup being found Marlise and the two daughters
and the daughter from him from TerryRasmussen in Beryls. By then he's long
gone, presumably back to the southernCalifornia les central California. Yeah. Actually,

(01:04:14):
one quick correction there. The childthat he had, he did not
have that child with Marley's. Itwas with another woman. Oh gosh.
Yeah, so we presume she's deadtoo. But he brought her along,
but he had the daughter along.But but meet her that that may have
been the come on to Marley's portmay single dad from our previous victim.
But you were able to determine itwas a birth child. Yeah, it

(01:04:36):
was his biological child. I keepsaying birth child from another woman, not
Marley's. But that child and thetwo daughters were found along with Marlise Honey
Church in Beryls in New Hampshire.Correct dead. Then that's when he eventually
has has this girl, Lisa withhim, who we find it's real name

(01:05:00):
was Don, but ends up havingLisa, And then we're up to about
nineteen eighty six when he was discoveredin the RV park. Then that's when
things start to unravel there. Eventuallyhe is arrested in early two thousands for
the death the murder of Unsun Junein also in central California. And that

(01:05:21):
was a Contra Costa, right,Contra Costa. That's California right right.
And then he dies in prison intwenty ten. You've tried to do your
best to unravel this thing. Yougave Lisa's enclosure when you actually found out
her real name was Don Bowden Bowden, don Boden, and Lee gave her
an idea of who she really was. How's she doing now? Um,

(01:05:45):
she wants to stay away from anythingabout the case. I can understand that
she refused to talk to any media. UM. Something else to throw in
there. When when we finally figuredout who she was, UM, I
was able to call her up thentell her you know that this is who
you are. I'll get you acopy of your real birth certificate. And
she's been in touch with her realfamily now since then. But a few

(01:06:10):
weeks after I called her to tellher, hey, you're gone bowed,
And she called me back and said, well, what do I do?
Do I change my name? DoI change my day to birth? But
you know what a thing to haveto think of. Yeah, you don't
think about those things when it's thelast time he's spoken to her. It's
been a couple of years, acouple of years old. Are you comfortable
now, Pete on that she's goingto be fine moving forward. I'm sure

(01:06:32):
someone like her is probably gonna havehaving gone through her, going through therapy,
or any kid that's gone THROUGHS.B Molsted, they're gonna have permanent
scars. Yeah. And then themore she discovers about what she was tied
to. Yeah, Pete, thankyou so much for this amazing journey,
this crazy, crazy journey with thisvery sick and twisted individual. You did

(01:06:57):
a really good job breaking this down. But I really appreciate you bringing it
to our attention. That's my pleasure. I know it's a very complicated case,
you know. Thanks again, Pete, And that's going to do it
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