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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome into the Varsity Blitz high school sports show, presented
as always by your local Pick and Save and Metro
Market stores on Fox Sports nine twenty and your iHeartRadio
app coming live from the Donovan and Jorgensen Heating and
Cooling Studios. I think the air just kicked back in again.
Thank goodness. My guests for sweatshirts because it is cold

(00:22):
in here. So I don't know how many years ago.
It had to be six, seven, eight, nine years I'll
look on my phone, but I started texting. I did.
I started texting John Lutz because I know the Lutz
family a little bit. When you talk about baseball in
this area, and I think he responded once or twice

(00:43):
said no, I have no interest. Yeah yeah, quit quit
texting me mcgivernern. But I kept trying, couldn't get him
to come in studio. And then I got a son
coming in from Whitnell, I don't know, two months ago
something like that, along with their their baseball coach. And
I started ripping them, going, how come your dad won't
call me back? How come you won't text me back?

(01:05):
And all of a sudden, man, knock it, I get
a text, knock it off fine, I'll come in, but
you got to come see my play. You got to
come to your facility first. And I said, okay, stopped
over and got a chance to meet Kelly Leutz. That's
where it all turned Kelly. First of all, Nicole. Why
do I have Kelly here?

Speaker 2 (01:24):
I don't know, but she'll laugh.

Speaker 1 (01:27):
Let's start again. Welcome back to the Varsity Blitz. Nicole.
It's good to see you. Thank you so much. I've
got four emails from you with your name everywhere. I apologize,
that's ok. Thank you so much. When when I got
a chance to meet you, I figured it all out.
Now I see how and the looks by the way.
You know y'all kicks your coverage by it, but you

(01:49):
know that, right, mister Leutz.

Speaker 3 (01:50):
Brains and beauty from the mother, athleticism from the father.

Speaker 1 (01:53):
It is there. It is, Nicole. Thank you so much
for your help with this for the entire When when
we started talking, the idea was to have you guys
come in for a couple of segments, and you guys
have so much going on, and you guys, the servant
leadership heart that you have is very impressive to me.
And I said, let's do two hours, and you're kind

(02:16):
of like, can we and I go, no, we can
do two hours with the amount of stuff that you
guys have. Can you talk a little bit about when
this whole idea started.

Speaker 4 (02:26):
Well, the Wisconsin You Sports Association has been around since
way longer than us, and it really started when Jack
was starting to get into sports and athletics.

Speaker 2 (02:40):
Our daughter also very athletic.

Speaker 1 (02:42):
But by the way, before you're go any further, you
guys did good. You know how many times your son
thanked me, looked me in the eye, shook my hand
when he walked in. I always wanted to know what
my kids were like when they couldn't smell my cologne. Right,
I'm not in the car with him, I'm not in
the room with him. He's a really good boy. He's

(03:03):
a nice young man and he's going to do really
good things at University South Florida. I can tell you that,
and so I wanted you to know that.

Speaker 3 (03:10):
Thank you for that.

Speaker 4 (03:12):
Yeah, So, when he started, when he started getting into
and we started looking into baseball options.

Speaker 2 (03:19):
Right in the in the.

Speaker 4 (03:20):
Local area, there's really just t ball or machine pitch.
So we went to Greenfield at that time and they
had John, John got involved with coaching, and then I
got involved in the board and helping them just organize. Right,
A lot of this stuff is all nonprofit, it's all volunteerism,
and so that's when we got involved.

Speaker 2 (03:42):
However, when you get into.

Speaker 4 (03:44):
Little League, it's not real baseball, and that was important
to our family. It was important to John. The Lutz
family are always into real baseball. So John spent numerous
years coaching the Milwaukee Angels along with Bobby and his
brother in law Ron Bullock, and so he was we
coached many years. And at that point the rez Ash family,
who had run the organization, their youngest son was finishing

(04:09):
his time with the Milwaukee Angels. So it just happened
to be a great transition year and that's when we
started and we said, if we're going to get into this,
this is just going to be it's going to be
bigger than just our children, and we're gonna we're going
to give back for as long as you know we
can do it.

Speaker 1 (04:26):
Hey, John, I gotta tell you we're where I heard
the most about you was my old neighbor, John Taylor
used to live Kittie Corner and his son played for you. Guys.
And then he started coaching, and he used to say, look,
you don't understand the difference here these these people. Not
only are we trying to play the best baseball we can,

(04:49):
but but there are so much stuff that they do
to make us feel like a family to teach my son,
and then as a coach, they want us treating our
kids a certain way, eaching baseball a certain way. And
he was so impressed because he's an LSU guy right
from him from New Orleans and and and he just

(05:09):
was so impressed. And he was a baseball guy, I
mean down to his his his bone. He was baseball
through and through. And he loved the way you did this.
And him and I would talk a lot, and he
would say, why don't you have this guy in your show?
And I go, I'm trying. He won't call me back,
but you know what, and he's not easily impressed. He's not.

(05:30):
He's he's a guy that finds some you know, used
to say all the time, Hey, how come they're talking
about this on that that radio show? Why aren't they
talking about this? But he had nothing but good things
to say about you and your organization.

Speaker 3 (05:41):
Yeah, Taylor's are a great family and he's probably still
having a great time for the LSU victory. But we,
I mean, we do try to do the right things
for the youth. I mean, you know, always respect the game.
As far as baseball goes, you're never better than the game,
you know, from the kids treating their brothers in right,
being great in school, their parents cleaning their room, and

(06:03):
it's more about the game. It's you know, it's making
them become you know, better, better people, better kids. And
with that we tie in the baseball in and then
the big rule for us is accountability and playing the
game the right way.

Speaker 1 (06:14):
Where did this come from? For you?

Speaker 3 (06:17):
You know from my all my parents our parents were.

Speaker 1 (06:20):
Your mom and dad, but your dad was sports dude.

Speaker 3 (06:23):
Yeah, lefty picture and full corporation and he could assign.
He married my mom and instead and you know it
was introduced by Haynes family to blind date and after
that it was in all history and seven kids later
and you know, and it's different. We created with with
the values and you know, how they grow up the
right way and treating people respect and giving back, giving
back is the biggest thing. And my dad was a
scout for a long time and my brother, Bobby, was

(06:46):
a scout, and you know, and my brothers and sisters
we all played ball together growing up, and and they
taught us to give back, and that's what we've been
doing and hopefully doing the right things.

Speaker 1 (06:54):
Hey, tell me about your baseball career.

Speaker 3 (06:57):
Well, learning from my brothers and sisters and the old
strike all day is that blessed sacrament. We never had,
you know, these beautiful fields and facilities, so we were
always on the playground from morning tonight as.

Speaker 1 (07:06):
You I was on Bartlett Avenue playing around, playing strikeout
with tennis balls and whip football. Yeah, and I would,
I would if you threw I we better bring a
lot of whiffootballs because I'm gonna lose a couple of
you know, yeah, come on, can you still throw it
a little bit?

Speaker 3 (07:21):
A couple of surgeries, But I can still a little pain.
But after ten minutes, I'm good.

Speaker 1 (07:24):
Yeah if I if I talk smack, I can get
that pain. No way, I can't. I can't hit you.

Speaker 3 (07:29):
I well, dotcha good, we'll hit you.

Speaker 1 (07:31):
But so so give me your background. And you grew
up playing little league and pony League and all that
stuff that we played.

Speaker 3 (07:37):
So I never really played little League. I was watched
my brothers Moore, and so I basically only started playing
was in eighth grade. And then really I went to
Wwaukee Thomas Moore, and I was fortunate enough to do
that in a great program with a lot of great
coaches there, and I basically as a freshman, I never
I was on the JV team, And then after that
I worked my butt off and sophomore junior senior year,
i'd started le varsay and we want to stay championship

(07:59):
with my brother and you know, playing right next to
him and my brother Bobbi before that, and then I
was fortunate to sign out of high school, which many
people don't, and but I had also my senior year,
I mean my junior the senior team just was just
loaded with talent and I was lucky enough to be
seen and had a couple of good games and fortunate
enough to sign. And I played two years minor league

(08:19):
ball with the Kansas City Royals, and I learned a
lot from a guy named Joe James there and just
just was like baseball is awesome. You can never stop
talking baseball. And you know, I didn't get my break
that I needed, and I got released, always trying to
re sign, but then I got back here in Milwaukee,
and I wanted to get back and you know, for kids,
and mostly my son, and give them the opportunity that

(08:41):
I had and the detailed information and keep pushing them
and trying to make them the better ball players that
they are.

Speaker 1 (08:47):
Nicole, here's the question I have. Look, I coached AU
basketball and my son, but once he was done, I
was done. I wasn't going to put all that sway
accouty time and energy in for to do what I
had to do. And I coached high school basketball and
I coached my son for three years but thirty six total.
So during that during that season I was okay. But

(09:09):
but to give and to do the AAU and the
travel part of it without him once he was done.
I give you guys a lot of credit because right
now you're working with everybody else's kids because your kids
are done. Correct, Yeah? Yes, And the idea of that
to that takes I think a special group of people

(09:31):
to say, Okay, our kids are done, like you bought
it from somebody whose kids were done, but you have
continued to do this. Why do you think that that is?
And if I asked you when when Jack was in
first grade, If I said you, look, when he's going
away to college, here's what this is going to look
like for your family, what would you have said to me?

Speaker 4 (09:51):
Well, I think what we determined when we got into
this was that if we were going to do it,
we were going to do it for a long time
and for a decade. And I both had full time jobs,
and we did this in the evenings as our volunteer
right the give back and after John's third heart attack
and his double bypass surgery, we were able to, you know,
just take a step back and look at it and

(10:15):
allow him to focus on something that he loves. And
he's always loved it, right, He's coached his niece's nephews,
he's coached other people's friends' kids, And I mean, just
to be able to give all children the opportunity to
be able to do something they love is just a
passion of ours. So it's not about just our children,
and we were involved in our children immensely, but it's

(10:38):
a bigger picture and hoping to try to change the
landscape of what youth sports look like today.

Speaker 1 (10:43):
So I came over to the Halo facility it's so impressive.

Speaker 2 (10:47):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (10:47):
From the outside, I thought, oh, okay, And then you
walk in and your eyes go like you got to
be kidding me, And I noticed things, right. I look
and as I'm walking and you're bringing me to introduce
me to John, he is working with a young kid
with the KI and the kid's mom was sitting right
there with a baby, and he's on both knees and

(11:10):
he's teaching the kid followed through on a pitch. And
I'm sitting listening to him without him knowing, and I'm thinking, man,
he here's a guy who played at a high level.
He's got one child in front of him, and he
is on both knees and he's and he is just teaching.
He's not just talking and saying, hey, do it this way,

(11:32):
good luck. He is on both these teaching this kid
where his hands should follow, should come through after he
pitches the ball. And that that was really impressive to me.
It was a Tuesday afternoon at four o'clock. It wasn't
It wasn't like he had fifteen kids there. He had won,
and he was working with that kid like he was
this kid was the most important. And then as they

(11:54):
were leaving, the kid came up and gave him a
hug and said, I'll see you next week. Coach yea,
And that to me tells me everything I need to know.
The mom said, hey, I'll see you next week, and
the kid came up and hugged him and said, coach, thanks,
I'll see you next week. And the kid was like
seven or eight years old, And that for a guy
like me, Nicole just tells me everything I need to

(12:15):
know about him. And the facility and everybody that came
in made sure that they were like, we're off to
the sign and people yelling Hei, Nicole, how are you
and you're like, hey, good to see you, and they're
just were going about to where they're going. The facility
offers a lot to people that want to come in.
You've got to be very proud of of that.

Speaker 2 (12:35):
Yeah, I think we're very proud.

Speaker 4 (12:37):
We're very proud of the legacy that the Angel's name
brings in the community. We're very proud of the Lutz
Foundation and what Bobby and John have done to give
back to kids in the community that don't have the
economic status to be able to play something that they
love to do. And we're very proud of the partnership
that we now have with the Midwest Halos and Cody
and Trevor. They've been great in terms of working together.

(13:02):
As you know, we stopped baseball at U twelve or twelve,
you and we we were able to make up a
transition program because at that point, back when Jack was playing,
we didn't.

Speaker 2 (13:13):
Know where he was going to go.

Speaker 4 (13:15):
And we really stood behind our you know, a nonprofit.
We wanted kids to be able to stay within a
program and we just you know, happened to find Cody
and his name, and along came Trevor and it's been
five five plus years now and it's been a great partnership.
In great relationships, we don't always agree, but we agree
to disagree and we're able to have those conversations and

(13:37):
do what's right for youth in the community.

Speaker 1 (13:39):
Hey, we're going to talk Trevor and and Bobby are
in studio with us. We're going to talk to Michael
about softball at nine forty. Yes, why John, if I
can ask you, why stop at age twelve? Did you
think maybe we should we should continue or what about
the age of twelve made you think, Okay, this where
we're going to wield now hand them off to somebody else.

Speaker 3 (14:01):
Well, any other organizations, and we know it's it's it's
that's a big task, you know. And now, especially now
with all the you know, all the big tournaments and everything,
and the recruiting and the colleges, that's a big task.
So we I love coaching the younger generation and getting
them ready in the all aspects of the baseball and
then feeding them off to the younger or the older

(14:23):
older group. But I would love to do it all,
but it's it's way too much. Right now. We went
from two teams to fifty, which is huge, and we try.

Speaker 1 (14:30):
To do it right all the way from what.

Speaker 3 (14:32):
Two teams and now we have fifty. You have fifty
combined and our softball two and and that's a big task.
Like right now the Halos are in Georgia playing and
you know, that's a lot of recruitment, a lot of
you know, I shouldn't say babysitting, but you've got to
go around and you have to know all the high
school athletes too. But it's such a great feeling when
you're now even more of these We went to see
my son play it, you know, witnow and just seeing

(14:54):
other kids from other teams playing against with at other
high schools and just you know we're rooting them on too. Yeah,
you know, it's it's just a great feeling.

Speaker 1 (15:02):
When when I talked to the guys that played for
my AAU team again, my my son, Matthew is now
married with two kids. So these are these are grown men,
and anytime I run into them, and we won basketball
tournaments all over the country, nobody talks about that. What
they talk about is do you remember when we threw
Matthew and the pool and Fort Wayne and you got

(15:24):
really mad? Do you remember down at Disney when your
peaches were gone and you thought someone stole them? It
was us? They talk about that part of it, and
and I go, yeah, but you remember we won that
tournament here in Minneapolis, And they're like, no, I don't
remember that, but I remember like trying to sneak out
and you catching us? How did you catch us? It's
all about that, that fellowship and friendship, and now they're

(15:46):
standing up in each other's weddings and stuff like that.
I'm sure you hear the same stories.

Speaker 3 (15:51):
You know, and that and then and then it's fantastica
or there because you build so many any great relationships
through baseball, and baseball is the best sport in the world,
and it's and it's a high failed sport, so not
everybody can play it. And that's the biggest thing is
we try to raise we try to build all our
angel kids, you know, to play the game the right way,
number one. But the biggest thing is these parents need

(16:13):
to support their kids. This is just a tiny inkling
of their life.

Speaker 1 (16:17):
You know.

Speaker 3 (16:17):
We get smack all the time about all the Angels
do want to do is win? No, we don't. We
come from winning, from the development that we're doing from
November to April. And that's the biggest point. Winning is
just a bonus. So and we tell our parents. Some
of them get it, some of them do not. Is
sit back, enjoy the ride, support your kid, and with
that comes all their friendships and their you know, camaraderie,

(16:38):
the hotels and the memories, and that's what it's about.

Speaker 1 (16:41):
Do you find that And I don't I don't mean
to tee up on this thing, and I apologize if
it's the wrong question, but do you find that parents
have changed over the year? Is because one of the
reasons I got done coaching basketball. I did it thirty
six years. That's enough, right, But boy, I just thought
that that part of it had changed. And I would

(17:04):
have a parent come up and and say, you know,
you've got to play my son more. He's going to
be in the NBA. And I'd be like, he's five
eight and he can't drip with his left hand, like
he's not going to play in the end, Yes he is.
He's he's going to play in the NBA. And I'd
be like, you get you should be playing football is
what he should be playing. And the arguments and the
and and that part of it kept me up at night.

(17:26):
Do you find that if that part has changed or
is it is it just different things that we need
to deal with.

Speaker 3 (17:33):
It's it's changed, all right. And parents have and you
can see that all through Facebook and everywhere else. Parents
have a big part of their kids' life. And they, yeah,
they want to be the coaches, They want to do everything, but.

Speaker 1 (17:43):
They don't want to put the time end to do
it sometimes.

Speaker 3 (17:45):
And if it's they don't do it right, you don't
do it right.

Speaker 1 (17:47):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (17:48):
We get a lot of blame, you know, so I'm
get it. So I'm going to Nikki can probably answer
that question better than that.

Speaker 4 (17:53):
Yeah, I mean as right as parents that have gone
through the recruitment process with the assistance of Cody and
Trevor and on the Midwest Hablos. There's never been an
organization that's come back and said, how many tournaments did
you win at tenu? How many tournaments did you win
at eleven? You?

Speaker 1 (18:09):
What a great point and.

Speaker 4 (18:11):
And right, I mean again, you know, our product that
we continue to say is our game is development and
with development comes success. The correlation, though, is do our
parents realistic and when they want to have conversations You're right,
they have to continue to remember that you have to
be prepared for what you're going to hear. And that's

(18:32):
where a little bit of the discrepancy is, right, I mean,
we we The key fact is are they developing?

Speaker 2 (18:38):
Are they having fun? And are you know, are.

Speaker 4 (18:40):
We assisting all kids to get to whatever level they
want to to get to.

Speaker 2 (18:46):
So that's the key is what age.

Speaker 1 (18:48):
You start with early?

Speaker 3 (18:51):
Well, if they're ready, we can start at four. Okay,
Well it's all about it's more about the maturity wise.
But if they can sit in the box and throw
and just very very basic, like we tell everybody and
I don't rip I'm not ripping any other coaches out
there but high school and college. And my joke was always, oh,
anybody can coach those teams. Now come a coach youth
where you really have to break it down and really

(19:12):
really really get basic. And that's what we try to do.
And the biggest thing is trying to get every kid
to believe in themselves. Are they going to be an
MLB or D one? Probably not, but we're gonna get
them believe and work hard with work, with hard work ethics.

Speaker 1 (19:24):
They can do that. Hey, before we get to a break,
and if it's okay with you, I wanted to I
want to talk at least start segment two with the
LUTs Foundation and how that started and looking at at
how much money you've given back is an incredible number,
and we're going to talk about that in segment two.
Do you find that with with kids nowadays, that that

(19:46):
kids you were a multi sport athlete? Correct? Yeah, your
whole family multi sport athletes. Do you find that they
are there their places, popping up all over the place
saying hey we can we can get your kid a
D one scholarship if they come to our batting cages.
I mean, there's so much competition that are popping up everywhere.
And then I see guys like you know sticks and

(20:09):
that guy's been around a long time to a nice job,
and there are people online ripping them all the time.
I saw I read something this morning and he's like,
you have no and he responds, you have no idea
what you're talking about. And I just find that that
there are so many things that people are telling parents, Hey, well,
if you come by us, we can get you a scholarship.

(20:30):
I don't see that on yours. I see and every
time we've talked, it's all about learning the game, having
fun with the game, making friends, getting better at a
sport that you may fall in love with.

Speaker 2 (20:42):
Well, it's definitely there.

Speaker 4 (20:43):
The comments are there, right, The feedback that you sometimes
see is there. But if we focus on the five
percent that are unhappy, it takes away from the ninety
five percent that the focus should be on. And that's
what we're going to continue to do, right. I mean,
people are not We're not for everybody.

Speaker 1 (21:00):
We know that, who aren't you for?

Speaker 4 (21:02):
If I can ask, I don't, I guess it just depends,
I guess depends on you know what.

Speaker 1 (21:07):
I don't mean to cut you off. I know I
knew when I was coaching AAU who I wasn't right for.
I wasn't right for the kid that was jumping from
team to team and thought that he needs to get
forty percent of the shots and he should be the
one play from the beginning of the game to the
end of the game. I was not right for those people.
The other thing that we did with Milwaukee Swish is

(21:29):
we were a faith based organization and we prayed before
the game. We invited the other team that we played
to pray with us. After we did all the fundraising,
we did car washes because I thought it was important
for kids to learn how they we got to work
to be able to go to Fort Wayne. We have
to work to go to Minneapolis to go to Disney World.
And so I knew I wasn't right for for people

(21:51):
that didn't think they had to help work, pay and
they should play and get all the shots.

Speaker 2 (21:55):
Yeah, I think I agree with that.

Speaker 4 (21:58):
You know, I think when parents, you know, are sometimes
hoping that their kid is better than what they should
be at nine, you or they tend to make the decisions.
So we always make the decision on behalf of the child, right,
and unfortunately they have parents that make the decisions for them.

Speaker 2 (22:16):
So that's what I think. You know, it's there's a.

Speaker 4 (22:18):
Lot of reasons we're not you know we are. People
say we're Academy team. We're not any different than any
community organization that's doing right for kids. You know, we're
a little bit more expensive, yes, but we are all inclusive.
Cody and Trevor will sit and say them Walkie Angels
spoil their players. But John's philosophy has always been if
we're going to get on the field and we're going

(22:38):
to play bad, at least we're going to look better
and right, I mean, And so yes, there's many different reasons,
but ultimately at the end of the day, you know,
I think back to last year where we were having
a tryout and a kid was on the tryout roster
and a coach came up and said, we hear from
the other organizations.

Speaker 2 (22:56):
This is a bad parent. I said, but what about
the kid?

Speaker 4 (23:00):
So I called the parents and I said, hey, you know,
this is the rumor on the street. We never shy
away from having direct conversations. But your kid doesn't deserve
to not have opportunities if if they're if they if
they want to play with them Walcke.

Speaker 1 (23:13):
Angels, you're married, you know what. Listen to what she's
There's the ninety five percent of the people I've ever
worked with in sports would be nervous to have that conversation.
To call a parent say listen, love the love your son,
love your daughter, whatever. But here are the rumors. Is
there anything I need to know about? What? What? What?

(23:34):
You know you need from us? And maybe it's not
a good fit. Willing to have that conversation I think
is really important.

Speaker 3 (23:40):
Yeah, I don't know what I've would have done without
without Nicole and Nicky Antonia, because yeah, she's she calmed
me down a lot. I was. I was very very Yeah.

Speaker 1 (23:49):
You used to be a crazy person.

Speaker 3 (23:51):
Yeah, just so you know, my friends laugh right now.

Speaker 1 (23:56):
Yeah, that's guys. We got to get you a break.
I look John all kid side. Thank you, Nicole, thank
you for pushing him to come in. I've wanted to
talk this story and tell the story. I didn't realize
how big of a story it is. With the foundation
and all the things. You guys do and John, thank
you for asking me to come see the facility because

(24:19):
I didn't know. You don't know what you don't know,
but I walked in there. I would have my grandkids
come and be part of your organization in that facility.
And when I saw what you were doing helping that
young man to a point where a guy who played
at the level that you played and have been around
baseball is helping a young kid just learn how to

(24:42):
follow through a pitch. And what you were saying to
him without knowing that I was standing behind you, I
was so impressed with that, and thank you for that. Guys.
This is the Varsity Blitz High School Sports Show as
I was presented by your local Pick and Save and
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Welcome back to the Varsity Blitz High School Sports Show,

(25:04):
presented by your local Pick and Save and Metro Market stores,
coming live from the Donovan Jorgensen Heating and Cooling Studios. Man,
it's back being cold in this studio. I want to
thank my friends at Donovan Jorgensen for all the work
they've done with my family and my home, and certainly
the work they do with the mcgifern Agency. I thank

(25:24):
them for that in studio and just didn't think it
would ever happen, but we got them in and we
are talking Milwaukee Angels baseball and softball, the Lets Foundation,
Midwest Halo's Baseball, John and Nicole Lutson Studio. We're going
to talk to Bobby and Trevor in the second hour.
I want to talk a little bit about the Lets

(25:45):
Foundation and how and why that started. What shocked me
and when I won on the website is the amount
of money in grants that have already been given since
nineteen ninety five. It's over eight million dollars. And I'm
wondering of John, can you give us an idea on
how the LUTs Foundation was started and why?

Speaker 3 (26:05):
Well, it seems like yesterday my dad passed away man
five six, seven years ago, maybe five years ago, and
you know, we got together. It is Nicky's idea, a
great idea, and we want to give back. What can
we give back more? I mean, with my brother Bobby
and my other brothers and sisters, we created the Lutz Foundation.
And what the foundation does is we create moneies for

(26:29):
young kids, not just our organization, but other organizations that
kind of afford to play, or they're in hard times,
and we kind of help them, as you know, much
as we can to support them and give them an
opportunity so they can play.

Speaker 1 (26:42):
So right away he said, this is Nicky's idea. And
so I have to ask you, and I asked this
question a lot during this show when we do our
current Electric Superhero of the Week, and we do it
each week during the school year, and it's a senior
who does great work in the classroom, very active in
the school, and give us back her community. And so
I have to ask you this servant leadership heart that

(27:04):
you have, Nicole, where do you think that comes from?
Because it's it's a learned behavior. It's not something we're
born with. You either, Somewhere along your life somebody taught
you that it's important to give back to people. And
I wonder where that came from.

Speaker 4 (27:19):
Yeah, you know, I don't really know. I thought about
that question when we had talked earlier. You know, I'm
I'm half Vietnamese. My mom came from Vietnam when she
met my father and the Vietnam War, and I think
of her as servant leadership. I mean, she is just
always giving to anybody and everybody. She loves unconditionally, and
I think that's where it came from. I think she's,

(27:42):
you know, been a true role model to me, and
it's been it's just been instilled. Like we talk about
that all the time. She's got a heart of gold.
And I feel like that is where I get it from.
To a certain extent, a lot.

Speaker 1 (27:54):
Of these kids and I'm not not talking to you
in purpose. You're okay, what's important. And it's weird to
me because I didn't. Look, I didn't grow up with that,
and I think i've I've I've learned it from a
number of people, but these kids I have, and what
they say to me is, look, I didn't know how

(28:14):
much I got I would get out of this, but
I get more out of it than the people I'm helping.
Do you feel the same.

Speaker 4 (28:20):
Way, Yes, yes, absolutely we and we love we love kids,
We love children, We love you know, our family, your
our friends, our family, their kids, our family, and ultimately,
at the end of the day, that's what we're here
right to to. We were raised to be good humans
and contributing members of society. We should raise our kids

(28:40):
to be good humans and contributing members of society and
giving back and paying it forward is the only way
that you can continue to show that, and so we
will continue to do that until, you know, until we're
we can't do it anymore, until one of us isn't moving,
I think so. But ultimately, you know, when you talk
about the Lutz Foundation in the spirit of what we

(29:02):
did with baseball and softball, Bob and John really, you know,
are the masterminds behind it. They have the tremendous respect
from a ton of individuals. The family is involved behind
the scenes and helps us out whenever we want. But
I mean, it's not huge dollars. I think the eight
million is probably over time through the like. But the
Ltz Foundation has been around about six years. They've done

(29:23):
just about twenty thousand, and you know, again to all
athletes that want to apply for grant money to go
to help them upset the costs.

Speaker 2 (29:32):
So we continue to do that.

Speaker 4 (29:34):
We raise it through just small you know, concession stands
vending it's nothing, and then small donations that we receive
here and there from individuals. That's kind of how we're
doing it and giving back and.

Speaker 1 (29:46):
The where does how is that fed? How how is
the money where does that money Is it donations? Is
it through the sale of a lot of things, Through the.

Speaker 4 (29:57):
Sale of a lot of things. Yeah, so then you know,
and it's fed through donations. We have gotten you know,
some donations as well, like we do have a donation
that just did our hit tracks to allow kids to
come in and kind of track their progress over time.

Speaker 2 (30:12):
So just a lot of good people out there too.

Speaker 4 (30:15):
But you know, and we a lot of what the
LTZ Foundation does gives back to the halo itself, the right,
which is our facility to be able to get upgrades.
You know, when you think about running an organization as
a nonprofit, it's expensive. You know, balls on a yearly
basis costs us almost twenty five thousand dollars and right,

(30:36):
I mean, and so I know people complain that you
know this, that people are trying to get rich. Everything
that we've done invests back into our business.

Speaker 1 (30:46):
Right facility is how long has that facility been around?

Speaker 4 (30:50):
Gotchavor, We got it and five years ago it's going
to be We're just getting ready to re establish a
new lease and always looking out there for opportunities. We
don't have a home of the Milwaukee Angels, mid West
Hales outdoor. We utilize you know, parks in Milwaukee County
and all of those areas around us. But you know,

(31:11):
we have future goals to get there and you know,
want to be able to save enough to get there
one day to get bigger.

Speaker 1 (31:17):
Yeah, get bigger. What was impressive to me when I
walked through that facility is, first of all, it's very comfortable,
it's really clean, and there's something there for everybody. And
you said, look, we people can come in and hit
and utilize this if they're part of our organization. So
the batting cage is year round right anytime? Yep, anytime

(31:41):
they can. If they want to go hit at eleven
o'clock at night, they can do that.

Speaker 4 (31:45):
If I'm up, if Kelly is up, Yes, we could
let them in and they can do that.

Speaker 1 (31:50):
Okay, yeah, let's not. Let's not give anybody ideas. You know,
John Taylor would have brought his son over there at
midnight if he could have to hit more. He had
them out side all the time doing that. Hey, you
being a multi sport athlete, how are you with kids
that want to just play baseball year round? And do
you recommend that that that they go to go play

(32:13):
some basketball, Go play football or soccer, something other than
just baseball.

Speaker 3 (32:18):
That's a great question. I am one hundred percent for
multi sport athletes parents. If I could say anything, get
them to play as many sports as they can, help
them build their character, their teamwork, everything about them.

Speaker 5 (32:31):
You know.

Speaker 3 (32:31):
The big thing is, you know you're you're you're doing
one sport, whether it's baseball, football, whatever. I mean, God
forbid that kid fails. I mean, they're gonna be devastated
when they do the rest of their life. So and
I'm a big multi sport athlete. I met so many
great friends through through all three of my sports.

Speaker 1 (32:46):
What were you best at? Baseball?

Speaker 3 (32:48):
I was decently at a couple of them.

Speaker 1 (32:50):
Now yeah, well what was your second favorite?

Speaker 3 (32:53):
Basketball?

Speaker 1 (32:53):
Yeah? Could you shoot a little bit? I will talk
to Bobby here a little bit. I could beat him now,
but I couldn't beat him back then.

Speaker 3 (33:02):
Well, Bobby said, back in the day, you're probably saying,
Peter Paul, you probably had those shiny shorts. That's what
their little Taylors.

Speaker 1 (33:08):
And yeah we did, Yeah we did. And we we
came over to Blessed Soccer and got our butt kicked.
And I think Bobby had forty, but I don't think
I guarded him at that point. I don't think I
did the multi sport part. What's interesting to me is
when I we used to do I used to do
a Moss show, a Midwest earth Piece sports medicine show,

(33:29):
and those those guys that came in would say, listen,
we never see multi sport very seldom see multi sport athletes.
But kids that just play baseball, whether they're a catcher, pitcher,
lot of time shoulders, right. We see them swimmers, gymnasts
that are just one hundred percent. But it's the guy
that plays football and that goes over to basketball and

(33:50):
then goes play baseball and plays a little soccer. So
we don't see those kids. But it's the kids that
only play one sport that we see all the time.

Speaker 3 (33:58):
I mean, even when thankfully we're very humbled. When you know,
Coach Hanna saw my son Jack and he said, the
kids an athlete, and these colleges right now they want
to they want to sign the athletes. You know, the
well rounded person that can play any position and get
on the field.

Speaker 1 (34:16):
Hey, how do you call? How do you how do
you handle fifty teams? If there's fifteen kids on a team,
that's maybe more right. I don't know, how do you
keep everything organized with that amount of kids and parents
and travel and who's going where when I went when

(34:37):
I came over to the facility, Like you're in charge, right,
and I'm wondering how you keep all that under like
going smoothly?

Speaker 4 (34:46):
Yeah, So twenty four are in Milwaukee Angels. The arrest
are Trevors, so we split the task. They have have
the responsibility to do their the Midwest Halos and run
their show. But we do that through our incredible small staff.
We have Kelly Wildy who's been part of us since
her son Anthony started at seven years old and John

(35:07):
convinced her fiance to bring their kid over and they
did and she started slowly and volunteered and we actually
worked together during the day and then we volunteer at night.
So she has been just tremendous in terms of the help.
We've found some you know, applications, and you know, we've
had good parents that have good skill in the area

(35:27):
that have helped us with our marketing and our websites
and things like that.

Speaker 2 (35:31):
We keep the.

Speaker 1 (35:32):
Fourth time that you have when we've had conversations that
when I tried to say to you, how do you
do it? You take no care. You go, look, it's
not me, it's this team. And let me tell you
about this person, let me tell you about this group
of people. And I appreciate that a lot. But during
during this time that you have built this organization towards

(35:53):
at there's there had to be a lot of sleepless
nights for you.

Speaker 4 (35:57):
Of course, of course you know questions are you are
we doing the right thing? Why are we doing it?
Why do we continue to do it? And at the end
of the day, it's always about kids. It's always about
their future. The future, right this is the next generation
of athletes and being able to provide for them opportunities
that not everybody has. I mean, we would love we

(36:18):
would build as many teams as we had qualified coaches
to come in and coach it. And it's just not
daddy ball. People can claim daddy ball all they want.
There's great dads that are great coaches, there's great there's
great coaches that are great coaches, and then there's coaches
that think they're coaches that should never coach ever again.

Speaker 1 (36:33):
As you coached, Yeah, then how how did that really?
How did that work here? And I'll preference this by
saying I coach by son in AAU and we had
a better point guard. And so my wife, his mom
wasn't happy with them all the time. And I would
tell him, you don't have to be better than Jarell Harris,
you just have to be as good because you're a boy.

(36:54):
You win tie breakers. And then in high school I
would I had a change software here. When I coached
him in high school, I was the adult in the
room and I thought I was his coach twenty four
to seven and that didn't work out. Well, how did
that work for you guys?

Speaker 3 (37:09):
So I was very very hard. I shouldn't say hard,
but he was hard. He was on my son. But
I want him. I wanted perfection, like you know, Deman
throw all my kids in the organization. And I wanted
him to be get the experience that I had, and
more I wanted him any better than I am, which
he is. And and I had a great advice from

(37:30):
you know, because we're traveling all over the country and
that time we were really we had one time we
had one team per per age group, and so we
were I mean we're traveling all over where we were
playing seventy five games this summer. You know, I had
a coach, coach Kluge, and he said, hey, lay off,
let's see I got him. I got him, and you know,
I was the best advice I've could have gotten, because
you know, it's not laying off, but I laid off

(37:50):
a lot. I still coached. But then when I got
into the we got him to the older age level
about twelve thirteen. Then I stopped coaching him. I didn't stop,
you know, teaching him. We still, you know, do our lessons.
I mean, we work out and stuff like that. But
then I let it. I let him go and have
somebody else coach him the halos and then he travel
all a running contry so he could hear it from

(38:11):
a different voice. So and I think now we're closer
than ever because of that happened at that age group
at ten elevens.

Speaker 1 (38:17):
Math you and I we It's funny because he then
goes to me or an Atha Baptist Bible College and
he's playing and I and I would sit at the
top of the bleachers and the place would be packed,
and after the game, he'd go, are you ever going
to hit a shot tonight and I go, what he goes.
I hear everything you say, so in tune with your voice.
I can't hear my coach on the sidelines, but I

(38:39):
know what you're saying, so be careful. And we would
laugh about it. And I'm wondering if that's the same.

Speaker 3 (38:44):
I'm sure well they can hear it Nicky's voice, not mine,
so I do have a caring voice. But the funny
story too, when you know, Jack was playing short for
me one day and he's jumping around and Nicky's yelling
me John, John, He's got to go to the bathroom, Like,
what do you mean? She was right?

Speaker 1 (39:00):
So, but that wasn't last year, right, good? That's good. Hey, guys,
we're gonna get to a break sitting into and I
just thank them, and look, I thank John and Nicole.
I think Nicole the most because she's the one who's
making John be here. I would get text messages, Hey,
I'll see September. I'll see you in October. No, man,

(39:21):
it's it's July fifth. Hel thank you. How you feeling
by the way, You're good.

Speaker 3 (39:27):
She's trying to kill me, but I'm still loved.

Speaker 1 (39:29):
Oh man, that live. We're gonna get to a break
the other side of the break, Michael, is it Kappa? Yes,
is going to join us and we will give him
a call. We're gonna talk a little bit about softball
with him. Yes, that's awesome. This is the Varsity Blitz
High School Sports Show presented by your local Pick and
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twenty and your iHeart Radio app. Oh welcome back to

(39:52):
the Varsity Blitz High School Sports Show presented by your
local Pick and Save and Metro Market stores. Coming from
the dinavaned George Heating and Cooling Studios, We're talking Milwaukee
Angels baseball and softball. We're talking a little bit about
the Lets Foundation and then the Midwest Halos baseball talk
about the facility. This segment we now have on the

(40:13):
show Michael Gappa, who is in charge of the softball
park with these guys. Michael, how you been.

Speaker 3 (40:21):
Man?

Speaker 6 (40:21):
Great? Thanks for having me on.

Speaker 1 (40:23):
Yeah you bet? Hey, how long you been part of this?

Speaker 6 (40:27):
I've been part of the Angels for I think close
to three years now.

Speaker 1 (40:32):
And talk a little bit about how many how many
teams in the softball area do you have?

Speaker 6 (40:39):
Right now, I mean we had to. Maybe we've been
growing the program from the ground up, and right now
we have an eight new team at the new team
at twelve you and then we have two fourteens to
sixteens and an eighteenth team. That last week was at
the NAPAs State tournament for Wisconsin and it's the first

(40:59):
place and the tournaments. We're really proud of them.

Speaker 1 (41:02):
Man, that's that's awesome. Hey, before we go any further,
congratulations on winning the state championship over at Witnow, yeah,
we had we.

Speaker 6 (41:12):
Had a we had an exciting year. Actually, we came
up just short of a state Oh.

Speaker 1 (41:17):
You got to the state finals. Put Whop Beach in
the state final. I don't mean to direct. I don't
want to open up old wounds or anything.

Speaker 6 (41:25):
No, no, I was. I was proud of the team
and how they played. We lost to Jefferson one nothing.
We had a we had a zero zero game in
the bottom of the stick. That was just a tremendous
softball game. And you know, the girls represented the school
and community very well, and they played their hearts out.

Speaker 7 (41:41):
And you know they're two days later, they're already hitting
me up and saying, hey, when do we start our
in the weight room winter and whenever we start open gyms,
I'm like, whoa, you got the whole summer club season
to get ahead of you.

Speaker 6 (41:51):
But you know they're excited to you know, put in
the work and get back there next year. And you
know we uh, you know, we only we only lose
two seams, so we gotta we gotta, you know, the
majority of the team coming back and a huge freshman
class coming in, so we gotta good chance to do
something special coming up.

Speaker 1 (42:10):
Hey, Nicole, the what what age? Is it the same
for softball as it is for baseball?

Speaker 2 (42:15):
No softball goes to eighteen?

Speaker 1 (42:17):
Okay? So so so Mike can work with kids from
what what's the what's the youngest age in softball?

Speaker 3 (42:24):
Ate?

Speaker 1 (42:24):
You so ate you all the way through, and I
don't know w I a rules, Mike, can you have
Witnow girls playing for for for your softball, your summer softball?

Speaker 6 (42:35):
So I can have Witnow girls in the program, I
can't coach them once they're at once they're at Windell
High School or they start the high school season, I can't.
I can't coach them besides at the school during the season.

Speaker 1 (42:49):
You call this started out baseball and then you you you,
you guys made the decision, Look, softball is blown up
and we need to we need to be able to
offer this as well. It's that how that worked.

Speaker 4 (43:00):
Yeah, Well, we needed to get into a bigger facility first.
We had a smaller one in West Milwaukee for about
eight years, and then when we partnered with Cody and Trevor,
we were able to locate just a random friend of
a friend that we saw at a birthday party that
had a building that he was looking to lease. He
was phenomenal.

Speaker 2 (43:20):
He sold that.

Speaker 4 (43:21):
So we leased through another organization out of Minnesota. But
we were actually approached about the year we started opening
the new facility and we were asked if we would
consider softball. And it's always been important for me to
have an arm with female sports, more specifically because our
daughter grew up playing She played softball as well for

(43:43):
my husband, was a great little player, but ultimately decided
that she was going to focus on volleyball, and you know,
ultimately turned out great for her. She goes to Belmont
and Nashville and on scholarship and she's entering our senior
year right now. Yeah, so she she was a phenomenal athlete.

Speaker 1 (44:01):
To John, you coached girls softball? Yes, I did so,
Okay that makes me giggle. And I don't know why
I coached girls basketball for two years. And I wonder
if you agree with me. When I found out coaching
girls basketball, it's very social, but many come. They come
to practice hard every single day. We would have a

(44:22):
game till Friday, and on Monday they're taking charges and
diving for loose balls. When my boys teams will be
like not going hard today or tomorrow. I'll try to
catch the old man's attention on Wednesday. And I'm wondering
if you felt the same coaching girls softball.

Speaker 3 (44:36):
Well, they listen, they learn, they work hard. Definitely, I
can get away from all the cheering though all those chances.

Speaker 1 (44:43):
Yeah I could too, I did you know? The other
part that got me is I like the second game
of the year, I benched our starting point guard at
halftime because she kept passing the ball to the team
in the white jersey instead of the red and I
told her, friend, you start at point and until you
figure out who to pass ball, you sit next to me.
The one girl started crying. I go, why are you crying?

(45:04):
You're going in, well, you're yelling at my friend. And
I thought, oh, this is not boys anymore. But I
loved it. I loved it because it came ready to
practice hard all the time. Hey Mike, how long overall
have you been coaching softball.

Speaker 6 (45:20):
I've been coaching softball for close to twenty years. So
my first two kids were were girls. So you know,
I played college baseball at Lakeland, and you know, I'm
thinking image involved in the baseball side. But then the
first two girls, their first two kids were girls, and
I'm like, all right, I'm gonna learn softball, and and

(45:42):
I I got hooked. This game is a lot of fun.
And you know, like John was saying, these girls they
come to work and they work hard, and and you know,
it's just it's a fast paced game. And you know,
at these older ages, and I mean, you got about
two seconds to field the ball and get it over
for and what they're able to do is incredible. And

(46:03):
it's just a game.

Speaker 1 (46:06):
So I've told this story a lot. But I did
a segment for my brother's TV show called Around the
Corner with John McGivern, and I would tell sports. I
would go in different communities in the state where he
would spend the week. I would pop into a one
minute sports segment on something from the area of high
school most of the time. Ford Atkinson at one point

(46:26):
had a really good team and they had an all
state pitcher and I went out and these girls were
all very kind, and after I got done during my segment,
I said, where's this all state pitcher? Why don't you
warm up because I'm gonna take you deep. Very cocky, right,
I'm one hundred percent irish. Got in the batter's box
and I didn't see the first pitch. It hit the

(46:46):
glove and I went, well, that was outside. And the
catcher's like, what are you talking about. She stood up,
took her mask off and said outfield, move in, no hitter,
no hitter, And she was right. I'm telling you, I
gained so much respect for that game by getting into
the batter's box and watching this girl throw these pitches
that I couldn't. I hit one to groundball the second

(47:07):
basement and she got mad. I what are you mad
at you? Because I don't want you to touch my stuff. Hey, Mike,
how early in the process do you know that you've
got a player on your hands.

Speaker 6 (47:21):
I mean, we can pretty much tell like who's you know,
someone's really going to develop and be uh if you
want to call them that superstar, you know around the
twelve fourteens ages. You know, it's you know a lot
of times it comes down to work ethic. Uh, you know,

(47:41):
love for the game and uh and really that's the
ports the thing they have around them. Uh, you know, fistfully,
you know, it takes uh, you know, it's a lot
of dedication from parents to help you out. You know,
especially if you're a pitcher. If you're a pitcher, you
got to be practicing every day. It's it's the window
pitches is a crazy skill. Yeah, just succeeding and being

(48:02):
a pitcher, and it's every day starting like you know,
at ten and uh, you know, a lot of the girls,
they you know, early on, they build that love for
the game and and we'll see them at the Halo,
you know, eight tens showing up and and uh.

Speaker 1 (48:20):
Hey John, there there's a place in baseball and softball
even if the kid isn't the best of the best.
But a kid that wants to work hard, wants to
be dedicated, is a good kid willing to show up
all the time and put the work in. I just
feel like, especially with with your organization, that there's a
there's a place for these kids, right.

Speaker 3 (48:41):
They want to work hard. I mean, there's always a
spot for them. And that's you know, coming from every
coach in the area too. And even the girls. Girls
have so much talent. I'm working on the girl Jen
and Kaiser out of Waterford, just a phenomenal hitter softball
player junior and she's going to go to ball State.
When I do lessons with her, all the boys everybody
comes and just watch her hit. But she's a great person,

(49:04):
very humble, works her butt off and she's gonna go
great places.

Speaker 1 (49:07):
It sounds different when she hits right. It's soft bit,
you know.

Speaker 3 (49:12):
And boys and girls, you know my philosophy, it is
the same. It's the same quiet hands, get your load
and you know hands eye watch it fly, and it's
it's it's great seeing these kids do what they can do.

Speaker 1 (49:22):
Can you hit? Can you help me hit a golf
ball farther? I'm not a golf come on, man, eyes
hand hitted further right. The weights got a switch. I
don't have any.

Speaker 3 (49:31):
Google golf on you. And I jack and a couple
of other buddies and we'll get some aiming fluid in.

Speaker 1 (49:34):
Ourselves, Amy fluid. You know what, I'll drive the cart
the aming fluid. I haven't had any of that for
a long time. Hey, Michael, I really appreciate a couple
of minutes of your time. Thank you very much, and
congratulations on getting the state final of Witne. If I
go back to talking some softball, I may I may

(49:55):
reach back out to you and have you coming studio
with a couple of those players from Whitne.

Speaker 6 (50:00):
Oh, that'd be great. We got some fun girls on
that team and we'll last doing that.

Speaker 1 (50:06):
Man, I appreciate your time. We're gonna get to a break.
The other side of the break, Bobby Lutz gonna join us.
We'll talk about John behind his back with him sitting
right here, and then Trevor, who's the cone over, the
co owner of the Midwest Halo's Baseball Trevor Theesen is
in in studio as well, and we'll talk to them
on the other side of the break. This is the

(50:27):
Varsity Blitz High School Sports Show as I was presented
by your local Pick and Save and Metro Market stores
on Fox Sports nine. Twenty and your iHeartRadio app. Welcome
back to the Varsity Blitz High School sports Show. Hey,
I gotta tell you. When John Letz is over now
in the corner talking about the girl from Waterford just
sitting another home run, you can tell he is fully

(50:48):
engaged with this whole thing. We're brought to you by
local Pick and Save and Metro market stores coming from
the Donovan and Jorgans and Heating and Cooling studios. We're
now joined by Bobby Lutz and Trevor Tyson. Got that
one correct, Franklin Saber boy, Bobby, how you've.

Speaker 8 (51:05):
Been been good?

Speaker 1 (51:06):
Well, yes, man, it's good to see you. It's been
a really long time. But but trust me, back in
the grade school days, I remember having to play against
your your dad was coaching, correct, and you defended really well.
You just said, look, I never really could hit a
job shot all that well, but I could defend like
a crazy person. You're that that team back then was

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really good.

Speaker 8 (51:29):
Yes, we were.

Speaker 9 (51:30):
We had a phenomenal team coach by Robert Rudy Rukelski
who was lives in the neighborhood here. I thank you
Rudy and my father and remember those days. We had,
We had the youth, we had the cyo. Yeah, you
were a Milwaukee boy.

Speaker 8 (51:43):
You went through the system like that.

Speaker 1 (51:45):
Yeah, you had Saint Peter and Paul Bless Zacrament though
they were on different sides of town, had the same stuff, right,
And so we I would see you and and and
we'd see you coming into a gym, and I thought, Okay,
we're not good. Not getting the win today, that's for sure, Trevor.
Tell me your background, Franklin, Franklin kid went to wm Moor.
Else did you go?

Speaker 5 (52:05):
I played at u w M for a couple of
years before I transferred. I went to a junior college
in between College of Lake County, and then I finished
my last two years at North Carolina Central Small d
one out in Durham.

Speaker 1 (52:15):
And then got home. Yeah, and then came back home.

Speaker 5 (52:17):
Yeah, then I came back home.

Speaker 1 (52:19):
And and how long have you been coaching? How long
have you been a part of the Midwest Halos thing?

Speaker 5 (52:24):
Started coaching while I was in college at you know,
as an assistant New Berlin Eisenhower west All's Hale. I
was actually then I coached with Cody at his other
program a little bit, and then we actually ended up
working in an office together, and Cody got through the

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Lutzes that you got the idea, you know, they they
brought it to him about starting the Midwest Halos. Cody
brought it to me to join with him. And sure enough,
you know, that was like six years ago, and and
here we are.

Speaker 1 (52:59):
If I I told you seven years ago that this
was going to happen, did you think I was out
of my mind?

Speaker 7 (53:04):
Or yeah?

Speaker 5 (53:04):
I definitely didn't. We definitely didn't think it was gonna
end up being as probably as big as it did.
We both had other full time jobs when we started
the program. We both had other full time jobs. As
of recently, I still had another one and I no
longer do. And now at this point it's it's the
only thing me and him both do.

Speaker 1 (53:22):
So how many teams.

Speaker 5 (53:24):
We're about twenty twenty four, twenty five?

Speaker 1 (53:26):
Okay, so that's where the fifty comes in. And what
age you to you? Most kids, when they get done
with the Angels, they come to the Halos. Is that
how that works? Yeah?

Speaker 5 (53:35):
That's that's that's the goal. I You know, kids have
decisions to make at that point. Doesn't always work like that,
but but the intent is for them to come to
us and then we'll take them from thirteen to seventeen.

Speaker 1 (53:46):
Do you know when I worked in the in the
world of soccer for a while, worked for the Wave
in the rampage, and I was a general manager for
an indoor team in Chicago, I ran that thing right
into the ground. Maybe the worst GM of all time.
But we were all was told that, man, soccer is
about to explode. And the numbers when kids are real little,

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but the older they get, the less the numbers are.
How are their numbers for you guys in baseball.

Speaker 5 (54:13):
To a point that that's correct? I mean, I'd say
fifteen is always our biggest tryout age number wise, and
then it is probably less at the seventeen range. At
that point, most kids know what they're doing, if they're
real passionate in baseball, if it's something they're trying to
do to get to the next level. But fifteen is
usually probably the peak of like the tryout age numbers

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that we get.

Speaker 1 (54:36):
How hard is it to find quality coaches?

Speaker 5 (54:39):
It's a lot harder today than it used to be.
And there's just a lot of programs, a lot of places,
so that there's a lot of you know, those quality
coaches kind of shrink.

Speaker 1 (54:50):
But do your coaches move up with the kids? So
if they come in thirteen, do they go with fourteens fifteens?
Do they move up or do you keep them at
the same age.

Speaker 5 (55:02):
We we've had it both ways. We've had a couple
of coaches. It all depends on the team they're coaching
and kind of the rapport they have with them. You know,
if that's a good you know, if they have a
good year and it seems that everything's gelling, we have
no problem letting them kind of go up with that team.
But we've also we've had it where you know, that

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hasn't happened, and coaches do come and go on a
yearly basis. So sometimes you know, we wanted that coach
to stay and you know, they ended up, you know,
deciding not to coach the next year, and you know,
sometimes we'll have some movement there.

Speaker 1 (55:35):
Hey, Bobby, you're you're involved? What uh? When I was
over visiting the facility, you brother John said, yeah, we
got you were getting Bobby more involved at this point,
tell me what you do for the organization right now.

Speaker 9 (55:50):
I'm an assistant coach with the U twelve team coached
by Kevin kias the pious coach.

Speaker 1 (55:55):
Man Hall of Fame.

Speaker 8 (55:56):
Blessed to be blessed to be coaching with Kevin great
great good too.

Speaker 1 (56:00):
It really is, really is a good dude. Did you
get away from being coaching and stuff? Yes?

Speaker 9 (56:08):
I coached both my boys and h then there's a
couple of year in between where I didn't.

Speaker 1 (56:14):
Did you mess it?

Speaker 8 (56:15):
I did?

Speaker 9 (56:16):
And I know Nicole was always trying to take one
of our teams, take one of our teams. And the
funny she's hard to say no to. Well, you're right,
she's hard in a good way. And you know you
want to know why.

Speaker 1 (56:27):
Because she she sees the vision and she cares about
all of it, and she knows that you would, you would,
These kids would benefit from having you there.

Speaker 8 (56:36):
Right, It was a good fit. And you know, at
the time John.

Speaker 9 (56:40):
Had one of his heart attacks, was in late I
think it was late July, and and he's in his
hospital bussing, oh, I got tryouts this week. I got
and he's all worried about the kids, and say, hey, relax,
what do you need me to do?

Speaker 8 (56:51):
So that's right, stepped.

Speaker 9 (56:52):
In and and we took it from there.

Speaker 1 (56:55):
Who's a better baseball player?

Speaker 8 (56:56):
You definitely, John, you can lie on this show.

Speaker 9 (57:00):
This is my show, John, you know, and my brother
Bill might have been better than both of us too, So.

Speaker 1 (57:07):
John shaking his head, Yeah yeah maybe. So when when
you get when you got a chance to come back
and and and coach, was that a good age group
for you to coach?

Speaker 9 (57:18):
It was hard because with uh I started coach ks
the sun was Colton eat you. And at the time
I was helping u WM, I was in the first
coaching staff at e WM that they went Division one. Uh,
Scott Coogey, Craig Anderson.

Speaker 1 (57:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (57:34):
Yeah, and it comes from that too. We can't even
play catch it eat you. I said, you guys, gotta
refresh my memory here.

Speaker 1 (57:41):
I think that would be really hard.

Speaker 3 (57:43):
It was.

Speaker 8 (57:43):
It was tough.

Speaker 1 (57:44):
Yeah, it kind of like when in a whole different level.
But I'm coaching at at at Whitefish bade Do Mennican
and my son's and you know, coaching his fourth grade
AU team, and and what a difference, right, You're going, now, okay,
this is what triple threat is. I had it like
get familiar again with those drills that I used to
do when I was coaching at at Saint Peter and

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Paul or Saint Mary's Chees Jehovah right, and all of
a sudden, now I've got to go back. And that
had to be really hard for you.

Speaker 9 (58:12):
Oh, yes, yes it wasn't. I asked every day, I
asked the Lord, just give me patience. That's all I want.
Just patience. Bite your lip, patience.

Speaker 1 (58:20):
It is hard. You guys have tryouts, and how hard
is it to if you have to cut kids?

Speaker 5 (58:28):
It's it's very hard. We do have tryouts. They start
here late in a couple of weeks, late July. I'd
say we cutting kids is not something we ever intend
to try to do. Usually, if if we have enough
kids to put a team together, we try to give
every kid the opportunity to play.

Speaker 1 (58:48):
You know. It was interesting to me when I was
coaching at the high school level, especially on JV, when
kids would get cut and I would say, hey, listen,
this isn't this shouldn't end your d but here's what
you need to work on. I hated those days, but
I always did it in person and said, look, I
want you to come try out again next year. Don't

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don't have a guy like me because I don't believe
in you. I don't think you can you can make
this team, and here's why. But if you do this
in the off season, I think you should come back.
Do you see kids that come back after being cut
and try out again.

Speaker 5 (59:23):
We've definitely seen some familiar faces. And it's not even
I wouldn't say it's always about being cut. Sometimes they
just think they end up deciding to go play at
a different team, and then they end up coming back.
You know, we probably see more kids that way than
we do actually cutting them.

Speaker 1 (59:41):
Did you feel like the winter and fall training that
you guys, do you have seen a jump in a
lot of kids' games because of that? Right?

Speaker 5 (59:53):
Oh, one hundred percent. We so we call it our
our PST training, position specific training that goes on all
winter long. So it's all individual based infield, hitting, pitching, catching,
velocity classes. That's that's really kind of what our program
probably like the bread and Butter is is in that

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in that development aspect, I'd put our classes up against
anybodies in the state. I think our coaches are as
good as anybody, and that's that's where every all the
kids make their their their gains is through those classes.

Speaker 1 (01:00:28):
Yeah. How much do you guys travel outside of the
state quite a bit.

Speaker 5 (01:00:33):
I'd say the biggest tournaments we end up going to
are are in Georgia. We will go to some in Missouri,
lot lot in Indiana and Illinois and Iowa. Those are
the those are the main areas that we target.

Speaker 1 (01:00:45):
Do you still are you coaching an individual team or teams?

Speaker 5 (01:00:49):
So myself and Cody, you know, our majority owner. He
we have split our seventeen national team, which are so
our top seventeen team. I am taking them to Indiana
next week. I go again with them in Iowa. He's
taken them to Georgia already once he's taken them to
Indiana already. They didn't they didn't play one tournament. They

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won't play one tournament this summer in Wisconsin.

Speaker 1 (01:01:13):
Really, yes, And so how many at seventeen? How many
teams do you have in that you have your national team? Yep, yep.

Speaker 5 (01:01:21):
So we have our top team and then we have
seventeen scout seventeen gile I believe that's that. That's what
we got for. So we have three teams at seventeen
this year.

Speaker 1 (01:01:32):
How many kids over the years have you seen play
at the next level? All right? Are most of the
kids that that most of the kids at that age
at seventeen, is that what the goal is to be
able to play at the next level. Absolutely.

Speaker 5 (01:01:45):
I like to think that's the goal for anybody in
our program that's playing with us, is they have the
intent to try to play at the next level. I
think last year are was our biggest class that we
had go to college, and I think we were somewhere
in the mid thirties.

Speaker 1 (01:02:00):
Hey, how much has has the game? And Bobby, I'm
gonna start with you on this, how much it has
the game changed since you were growing up and playing,
you know, on the playground and playing Strikeout and look,
you know, the whole analytics part and the idea of
of launch and and you know, there's just so many
things that I think have changed over here since I

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grew up just playing, you know, with the kids in
the neighborhood and playing at Peter and Paula Meshmer. It's
just changed a lot. And and it's changed a lot
since you since you grew up as well.

Speaker 8 (01:02:33):
Well, it really hasn't.

Speaker 9 (01:02:34):
We talk a lot of times if we had facilities
like this when we were growing up while I mean,
I think we'd be a lot better athletes. But I
think back when we were growing up, there is the
Mike Egans right out in Brookfield had three batting cages. Yeah,
I think Scotti Duffick worked there. And from that to
seeing the facilities now, it's will what a turnaround.

Speaker 8 (01:02:54):
It's it's for the better.

Speaker 9 (01:02:55):
And I think Wisconsin is a state even as behind
some of these other states now with the outdoor facilities.

Speaker 1 (01:03:02):
Well, Trevor, I had a guy on My brother Tim
is seventy one and still catching, still playing hardball. He
lives in Florida. He's coming in. He comes in once
a year. He's already gotten three games where he's going
to play at the Rock because he knows all these
guys from tournaments. And a buddy of his had a
son that played junior college in the state of Florida.

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He's the number one juco pitcher in the state. He's
now I believe in the Mets organization, maybe double A.
And I had him on my show and he said,
we used to make fun of those kids from the
North because they played like twenty games in their high
school season. He said, what we didn't realize is they
were nowhere near to where their top potential is. Our
kids from Florida playing one hundred games and then playing

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all year round were pretty much topped off where they're at,
and we would laugh at the kids coming from the
North until their sophomore year when they were better than
a lot of our kids. Do you find out do
you find out that some of these kids from the
state of Wisconsin that might not be playing as much
baseball have not hit their potential yet.

Speaker 5 (01:04:04):
To an extent, I think the facilities that are now
in the state of Wisconsin has really closed that gap,
probably more so than ever over the last like ten years,
where they are playing year round. Now it's just it's
not always it's just not outside anymore for us up here,
so right they get the train inside all winter long,
where even when I was growing up, I mean, there

(01:04:25):
wasn't much around to train indoors, and now it's you know,
the talent, the talent level that you know it's in
Wisconsin now is crazy compared to even when I was
playing in high school. You know, ten fifteen years ago.

Speaker 1 (01:04:41):
The Halo facility dot com is where people should go
ye correct and you have tryouts coming up.

Speaker 5 (01:04:47):
When I believe our first one is July eighteenth.

Speaker 1 (01:04:52):
Somewhere in there. If you go on the website, can
people sign up to get a chance to try out
for your team? Yep ye.

Speaker 5 (01:04:58):
If you can sign up through the website, you can
follow us on social media or Instagram or call Nicole.

Speaker 1 (01:05:03):
That's what I you know what. I'm sorry to Cole
that I do this, but that's what I would do.
This is what has worked for me. Again, if I
looked back at the first time that I text John
Letz to come in, it's got to be eight years ago,
and all it took was shaming him, shaming his son
on the show to have him say, Nicole said, I

(01:05:24):
have to do your show. He was not happy with me,
but so far, so good. I would go on that website,
the Halo Facility dot com. The Halo Facility dot com.
They've got Halo Baseball Angel, Baseball Angel Softball strength conditioning camps, lessons,
more information, phone number, email address. I would utilize the

(01:05:44):
phone number and call the colder. I would stop at
that facility. I'm telling you, you don't know what you
don't know From the outside, you go, oh yeah, it
looks okay, and then you walk in and you go,
Holy Kyle. The energy that I felt with the people
that were there working out was incredible. And John did
not know that. I sat and watched him before I

(01:06:05):
introduced myself, and Nicole was nice enough, and I watched
him just on both knees teach this young kid the
best way to follow through on a pitch. And when
the kid hugged him and said, thanks, coach, I'll see
you next week. That told me everything I needed to know.
We're gonna get to a break. On other side of
the break, I'm gonna have John join us. I'm gonna
keep Bobby here, and Trevor, I'm gonna have you come over.

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Come back on that last segment with Nicole. But I
want to talk a little Lutch stuff. We'll talk about
this family that Look, if you're involved in sports in
this area, Southeast Wisconsin, you've heard about this family. You've
heard about the great things that they've done, how competitive
they were. I kind of think of you to them
a watchnik family. Yes, obviously you're either with him or

(01:06:49):
against him. Correct. I'm with him.

Speaker 8 (01:06:51):
They're a great family.

Speaker 1 (01:06:53):
It's a great family. I just want to go watch
and play Thanksgiving football. Back in the day or pick
up basketball. Can you these guys going at it? And look,
I'm a big fan of theirs, and it's same with
the Lutz family. Look, they're competitive, and they teach the
game the right way. And when people say, oh, they're
only out to win, I don't believe that. I believe

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that they're out to get these kids to fall in
love with the sport that they fell in love with
and to teach them to play the right way. And
when you've got somebody like Nicole kind of overlooking this thing,
I think that they they're onto something that they're going
to grow bigger and better. When they said that first segment,
you know, who knows, maybe we'll find an outdoor facility

(01:07:34):
that we can get involved with as well. A year
from now, two years from now, five years from now,
we'll have them back talking about this outdoor facility. I'm
telling you, if that's on their radar screen, that's gonna happen.
We'll get to a break. The other side of the
break will continue our conversation again. The Halo facility dot com.
If you have somebody that you think wants to try out.

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Middle of July coming up in a couple of weeks
they have tryouts. Do they also will have that for
Angel baseball as well. Yeah, coming up the same time. Yep, man,
go go.

Speaker 8 (01:08:05):
Ahead, fourteenth and sixteenth.

Speaker 1 (01:08:07):
I believe fourteenth and okay, there you go. Yeah, that's
Nicole in the background. Got all the dates. I love
that the Halo Facility dot com. This is the Varsity
Blitz High School Sports Show presented by your local Pick
and Sam and Metro Market stores on five Sports NIGN
twenty and your iHeartRadio app. Welcome back to the Varsity

(01:08:28):
Blitz High School Sports Show presented by your local Pick
and Say and Metro Market Stores. Man, this has been
This is a really fun show for me. I've wanted
to do this show a long time to talk about
the Lutz family, talk about the foundation, talk about Midwest
Halo Baseball, Milwaukee Angel Baseball, and softball. So I appreciate
Nicole and all the work she's done to help me

(01:08:50):
get ready for this show. But I knew one segment
if I had Bobby Lutson, I had John Lutson, that
we would talk a little bit about let's family stuff.
Can we talk a little bit about growing up in
the house where you guys were really competitive, right, Bobby, Yes, correct? Yeah?
Who and you guys all played multiple sports? Did your

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dad coach baseball and basketball? Yes?

Speaker 8 (01:09:15):
Yes he did. He did both when we were younger.

Speaker 1 (01:09:18):
Yeah. Did when when you guys played against each How
much older are you than your brother?

Speaker 8 (01:09:25):
Uh think about six years?

Speaker 1 (01:09:27):
Okay, So did they beat you up? Is that what
it was? John?

Speaker 7 (01:09:30):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:09:31):
They beat you as the middle one, So I got
abuse both sides.

Speaker 1 (01:09:33):
Oh, and the younger brother. Do you think was the
best of the group?

Speaker 3 (01:09:39):
They were all we're all pretty How many boys four
and three?

Speaker 1 (01:09:43):
Four and three three? Do the girls play two softball.

Speaker 3 (01:09:47):
In the beginning a little bit?

Speaker 1 (01:09:48):
Yep?

Speaker 8 (01:09:48):
My sister and did yes.

Speaker 1 (01:09:49):
Yeah. When when your dad was coaching, did he coach
you guys differently? Do you think was he easiest done
Bobby and toughest or was he toughest? And you tell
me about that?

Speaker 3 (01:10:02):
He was pretty consistent?

Speaker 8 (01:10:03):
Heh Yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (01:10:03):
Think he was. I think he was tough on all
of you.

Speaker 8 (01:10:07):
He was consistent. I think that the saint in this
whole picture was my mother. At one time.

Speaker 9 (01:10:13):
I think when John was a high school senior, we
had Nigel Wallace and uh Dagner Neil Digner and Morrell.
We're all in the back bedroom with the basketball having
games in there. And uh, you know, mister g is
all these these big boys from New York playing basketball
in the back bedroom.

Speaker 1 (01:10:31):
Man, you gotta love that. You know you had said
early on, and I know this came from your dad,
and you talked about that being the whole kid, and
you know what, being disciplined. We always talked about you
can't be undisciplined in the classroom all day long and
expect to come to the gym for practice and be disciplined.
I would think that's the same thing that your dad
kind of taught you, guys. You can't be on disciplined

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all day and get to the baseball field and now
expect to be disciplined. I would think the lessons that
you learned from him. I don't know if you say
it the same way he said it back when he
coached you, but you've got to I've got to believe
that the lessons you learned from him, you you now
pass along to these kids.

Speaker 3 (01:11:11):
Well, of course, our parents were awesome growing up. I
mean from Blessed sacram My mom did everything for the church,
and my dad volunteered athletic director, coach and everything, and
I just you know, we learned from them and we
were you know, it's seven kids growing up with that era.
I mean, it's a whole whole, whole different aspect. And
we didn't have a lot I mean, we weren't the

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We don't have a lot of money, but we made
it work. And they made it work and and they
rolled and they raised us and you know, taught us
how to give back and keep working hard and good
things will happen.

Speaker 1 (01:11:42):
He'd be so proud of you right now.

Speaker 9 (01:11:44):
He is a fierce competitor too, but but one of
the modest gentlemen.

Speaker 1 (01:11:48):
Yeah, yeah, you still you miss him? Huh?

Speaker 8 (01:11:52):
Really do?

Speaker 1 (01:11:52):
Yeah? It was my mom and our Fani, it was.
And she never she never missed listening to this show. Ever.
She always forgot I did a home improvement show and
I'd be like, mob, She's like, I kind of forget,
but from it back then it was from ten to noon,
and she never missed a show. And if she was
still with us. She died at the Catholic home number

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right in the beginning of COVID, and she would call
me and she would call me every day five minutes
after the show ended, to ask me about my guests.
Were they as nice as you thought? She loved high
school basketball, absolutely loved it. She loved college basketball as well,
and that's where I kind of got, you know, into that.
And to be able to coach at the age of

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seventeen and keep coaching for as long as I did,
that's where that came from for me. When when you guys,
when when Jack play, does the whole family come out?
You have you? You went to see him play a
lot out of here.

Speaker 9 (01:12:48):
Yes, yes, we almost never missed the game, you know,
And the funny parts was as large a family we have,
the cousins.

Speaker 8 (01:12:55):
The cousins all support each other. It's so great to see.

Speaker 1 (01:12:58):
Yeah, how hard is it for you knowing that he
when does he leave for usf.

Speaker 3 (01:13:02):
Oh, he's already there, He's there. And we dropped him
off last two weeks ago. Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:13:07):
Who was it harder on?

Speaker 3 (01:13:10):
We were both I thought I was ready for it.
I was not, to be honest, and I gave him
a hug and I shook his hand, looked him in
the eye and it wasn't good. Yeah, we all chears everywhere,
but you know, we know he's in a good spot.
We know we raised them well, and you know that's
all you really can ask for, and that.

Speaker 1 (01:13:25):
Is I agree. We lucked out with Matthew going to
Maranatha in Watertown. It was forty five minutes. But the
two kids are so opposite. My daughter, when we dropped
her off, said, don't call it right me. For thirty days,
I said, all right, my wife's crying. My son came
home every week. He's starting point guard as a freshman.
He came home every single weekend, even during the basketball season.

(01:13:47):
They'd have a game at Dominican down in Illinois, and
I'd pick him up at a quick trip so he
could spend Saturday night, you know, in front of the
TV watching his shows, have a good meal, sleep in
his bed, and then I drive it back and my
daughter I'd be like, are you coming home for Thanksgiving?
I would have a hard time. The distance for you
is going to be difficult.

Speaker 3 (01:14:07):
Nashville. Nashville's easy, good flight south Florida. That's a little longer.

Speaker 1 (01:14:11):
It's a little bit longer.

Speaker 3 (01:14:12):
The coolest thing, I shouldn't say coolest thing, but you know,
my wife's Nicky was crying all the way home on
the plane and it's like, the best thing is nobody
said by us on the plane. I finally get my
own seat.

Speaker 1 (01:14:21):
How quiet is the home right now?

Speaker 3 (01:14:23):
It's quiet. It's pretty quiet the in laws and my dog.

Speaker 1 (01:14:27):
So yeah, and you know, Nicky's going to ask you
to work a little bit more, maybe over at the facility.

Speaker 3 (01:14:33):
We spent some long hours there, and tell me your.

Speaker 1 (01:14:36):
Week to week if I can, if you can't, almost
day to day? Are you there every day?

Speaker 3 (01:14:41):
We should look at there at nine am and leave easily, easily, seven, eight, nine,
ten at night.

Speaker 1 (01:14:46):
You know what was interesting the text where we were
going back and forth and you kind of committed to
coming out of the show, but you stipulated I need
to see the facility. And that was really smart because
I thought, oh, he's just trying to get out of it.
Now I have to go over there. And I was
so impressed with it. But you said pretty much stop

(01:15:06):
over any day between nine a m. And then pm.
And I thought, well, why don't you tell me when
you're going to be there, but that's when you're there.

Speaker 3 (01:15:13):
And I saw it and I said, oh crap.

Speaker 1 (01:15:15):
No you did not. You came up give me a
hug said thanks for coming, I'll see you, and your
wife was like, no, it's not coming at that point, Hey,
what what about with the facility and all of this?
And probably nothing keeps you up at night now, but
in the beginning of trying to build this this organization,

(01:15:37):
what kept you up at night.

Speaker 3 (01:15:40):
Just having what's the best for the kids and the
facilities available, and we try to do everything. Any money
we may we put back into the facility, and we
have to get We always like keeping equipment up to
date and having the best for the kids. And you know,
they really don't know how spoiled they are. I mean,
as Bobby said, I mean we never had this growing up,
and we like toe that play spotless and keep it operational,

(01:16:02):
and you know, and the kids that want to work hard.
I mean, that's one great thing about our facility in
the Halls and the Angels is you know you could
come there any time and work out for nothing if
you're part of our organization.

Speaker 1 (01:16:12):
That's the unbelievable part, the nonprofit part of it. I
question that because I'm all about you're working hard, let's
let's make let's make a good profit on this thing.
And you've built this as a nonprofit. You guys get
paid through that, but the organization is nonprofit correct.

Speaker 3 (01:16:33):
Correct, correct, Like my wife doesn't paid. You know, she
hasn't gotten dying from this place since she started working.
And I never used to get paid back in the day,
but now you know, you have to make ends meet
a little bit.

Speaker 1 (01:16:43):
Yeah, you do. You got to keep the lights time.

Speaker 3 (01:16:45):
Correct, and we try to give you know, everything back
as much as we can.

Speaker 1 (01:16:48):
And well, the idea of giving back to kids that
want to be a part of the organization that can't
afford it. With with AAU, I had to do some
of that when I stopped coaching basketball. I save so
much money because and if the WI ever found out
some of the things I was doing, uh, they would
not be happy. But I think it's important that that

(01:17:12):
kids that can't afford it, but but are willing to
work hard and be a good kid and good part
of your program. I think it's important to give them
as much as we can do. You get discouraged at all.
I again soccer. When the kids, the older they get,
the less kids participate because they find other sports and
then they decide A volleyball coach says you got to

(01:17:34):
play volleyball year round. You you can't be on this
team type stuff. Do you have a hard time when
kids decide they don't want to play baseball anymore?

Speaker 3 (01:17:41):
Oh, of course it's hard, you know. And but like
I said, baseball is it's a failed sport. I mean,
you gotta make these kids believe in themselves. They're going
to fail eight out ten times, and make them believe
and keep your eyes on a prize.

Speaker 1 (01:17:52):
Hey, Bobby, when when when you have a kid that
that plays infield, do you do you add to the
age that you're you're coaching. Do you have kids try
all different or are they now either an infield outfield
their picture catcher type thing.

Speaker 9 (01:18:04):
No, we try to make them all multipositional, just to
repair them for high school. Because what if you're the
greatest shortstop of the Angels organization, Allison, you get the
high school and there's a six' four short, stop a little,
quicker a little, stronger hits a little. Better, well maybe
we got them training at second base or. Outfields i'd
like to have him multi.

Speaker 1 (01:18:24):
Positionable, WELL i saw one of the best short steps
ever to come out of The. ANGELS a couple of
weeks ago playing shortstop At. Louisville kid And Thomas, Moore
wow is he good with The? Glover when he came
in studio his senior, YEAR i, thought, wow he's so,
small but you know, what that kid can, hit he can.
Field his family Is are they still involved with you

(01:18:45):
That elisa?

Speaker 3 (01:18:45):
Is, yes, Yeah alex plays With. Louisville him And jack
were basically up the, middle second and short and that was.

Speaker 1 (01:18:52):
Well they turned a few double.

Speaker 3 (01:18:53):
Plays great, kid great. Family yeah you couldn't you, know
that's what we do right.

Speaker 1 (01:18:58):
There, man that KID i Watched, defensively he's something. SPECIAL
i don't. KNOW i don't know bat. Wise can he
play at the next?

Speaker 3 (01:19:06):
Level you, think, heyah really, yeah believe keep. Believing but
he got the.

Speaker 1 (01:19:12):
Tools, defensively my. Goodness, yes, yeah they don't have to
tweak anything. There how? Good how young was he when
he started with you?

Speaker 3 (01:19:19):
Guys he was nine eight or Nine and we had
our trials at that. Time we having him outside and,
UH i saw a couple of plays AND i, Said,
nikki go get the, parents and UNTIL i couldnot get,
away TILL i talked to him and we got. Him and,
yeah they all say it was a great.

Speaker 1 (01:19:34):
People did when you told him where you went to high?
School did that help it?

Speaker 6 (01:19:39):
All or?

Speaker 3 (01:19:39):
So then he ended up going To Thomas more which
is even. Better there was hold on.

Speaker 1 (01:19:44):
Recruiting you, KNOW i can't. Recruit people would always, say,
oh you. RECRUIT i only coached at private, schools, Right Dominican, Calvary,
Baptist Heritage christian And Greendale Martin Luther and people would,
say you, RECRUIT i. GO i don't because that's. ILLEGAL
i recommend and then highly suggest because THE wi doesn't
say anything bad about. That, well good for you to have.

(01:20:06):
Him they what a baseball program they have and to
this to this, day their basketball program won a state
championship right With Tony maine and and those guys football
program is taking a step. Back baseball program is still
rolling over.

Speaker 3 (01:20:20):
There so we went there when the boys had to,
school and then they had the. Academy so all our
sisters went To Saint Mary's, academy our brother and our,
sisters and then we Had Thomas More THAN i don't
even know when the girls took Over Thomas. Moore so,
yeah we were back in the day and we had
a lot of great coaches and all Those, aluckys The
hlescas and The fonsa's and a lot of, good lot of.

Speaker 8 (01:20:40):
Good The miller, Brothers.

Speaker 1 (01:20:41):
Yeah you got oh. Man and, Look Tony maine was
one of my Main. Yeah he just a tough south side. Dude.
Man WHEN i was coaching The dominican they came over
to play in a holiday tournament And Thomas moore played
AGAINST i Think Lacrosse aquinas the first, game and then
we played Like Saint Mary springs and knowing we'd probably

(01:21:02):
Play Thomas moore in the, final And tony missed his
first shot and their, coach loud enough for him to, hear,
said back, UP i told you he's. Overrated And tony
just looked him and he put up forty eight on,
him and every time he had a, shot he just
looked at. Him AND i thought that that's a tough
times more boy right. There hey when when when WHEN

(01:21:23):
i Had trevor on and we were talking about The
Midwest halo's. Program how important is it to, have especially
to now with with with every high school team playing spring,
ball you have to you have to develop pictures at
an early age correct and and AND i know That
trevor does that with with his. Group but at your,

(01:21:45):
age When i'm watching you teach a kid how to follow,
through how important is it for kids to at least
people to throw a couple of innings when they get
to the high school.

Speaker 3 (01:21:53):
Level, see that's that's very. Important so you, know from
our first day of, practice it's all about for, us
we teach, mechanics, mechanics, next, mechanics, fundamentals, fundamentals. Fundamentals if
you have perfect mechanics from the young age all the
way through up, now you're. Set now as you get
bigger and, Stronger, yeah that's when your arm strength. Comes
everybody right now is so concerned about vlo Vlo vello

(01:22:14):
and the schedule blowing out their. Arms it's kind of.
Disheartening and the guy From florida, said, people the kids
In florida at the high school, level we're getting To
Tommy john surgery and they didn't need it correct.

Speaker 1 (01:22:25):
Correct so you've heard about that.

Speaker 3 (01:22:27):
Too, well, well it's all you, know and we're still consistent
about basic mechanics and, fundamentals and with that everything else
will come into.

Speaker 1 (01:22:34):
Place when do you when do you allow kids in
your program to start throwing breaking? Balls and stuff like.

Speaker 3 (01:22:39):
That you, know that's a that's a big that's a
big point because everybody kind of yells at, us all
these other, organizations W, oh he's throwing a. Curveball he's
gonna ruin his. Arm, no he's. Not if your curve
ball is thrown the way it should be, thrown it's
better on your arm than a. Fastball and but they
have to do it. Right if they dropped the, side
that's when they're you, know they called the slur or
the slider or the sweepboardever they call it now again
in the in the major leagues is but that's when
you're going to hurt your.

Speaker 1 (01:22:59):
Arm go, AHEAD i just didn't.

Speaker 8 (01:23:02):
Say it's a little bit usually a little bit, later ten,
ten ten.

Speaker 9 (01:23:05):
Eleven and we'd rather have you master your control to
control location.

Speaker 8 (01:23:10):
First, yeah and then.

Speaker 1 (01:23:11):
But you're right with with everybody's talking about velocity and all. That,
hey do you do you watch did you watch The?
Birds you Watch Major League? Baseball did you enjoy?

Speaker 3 (01:23:20):
It i'm A i'm a big fan of Coach murphy
because in my, opinion he's he's old. School you, know
it's all about accountability and you, know playing the game
the right way and the basics and fundamentals and all.
That So i'll listened to a couple of. Interviews It's
i'd love to talk to him.

Speaker 1 (01:23:34):
Someday, MAN i really ENJOY i thought when console, Left oh,
man this is not gonna be. Good it's been. Fine
he's really.

Speaker 3 (01:23:43):
GOOD i, mean you have to, bunch you have to,
steal you have to play the game the way it
should be.

Speaker 1 (01:23:47):
Played, yeah did you See did you watch the game
yesterday last? NIGHT i.

Speaker 3 (01:23:50):
DIN'T i was at the facility, here of course you.

Speaker 1 (01:23:52):
Were there was a play where the it got right
in front of the plate and the picture threw a
bad a bad throat at, first and then bright train
tried to throw somebody at the third in gun and
you could See murphy took his hat. Off he's just
started to scratching his head on that kept him out last.

Speaker 3 (01:24:09):
NIGHT i did see that. Play niki's shaking her ends
and go old, angels don't play that way.

Speaker 1 (01:24:14):
Smart how much did Did nicky know about baseball before
you guys.

Speaker 3 (01:24:19):
Met, well she's learning every.

Speaker 1 (01:24:21):
Day she's still almost asked her that question on you
when we get to a. Break on the other side
of the, break because UH, I i'm going to ask
her that Because i'm sure she's learned a whole bunch about. It,
guys we're gonna get to a. Break we'll talk a
little bit about who's coming. Up BUT i have to
Have nicky on on the next segment Because i've got
some some behind the scenes questions for. Her, Bobby it's

(01:24:44):
really good to see you. Again oh, yeah to hang
in there because who knows never known that last segment
when we were talking, About, hey you know, What i'm
gonna ask, you guys to think about this And i'll
ask you the next segment on faith in the. ZONE
i asked this. QUESTION i loved know your. Answer all
the uniforms you've ever put on in your entire, life
we put them in the closet and you get to

(01:25:06):
pick one uniform out to get one more. Game what
uniform do you? Pick who do you play? Against and
why give that some? Thought i'm gonna get your answer
on the other side of the. Break this is The
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(01:25:29):
Local pick And save And Metro market. Stores, man this
has been a really quick show for, me and what
that tells me is is got a lot to talk.
ABOUT i really have been a fan of The lutz
family for a long. Time AND i Thank, john AND
i Thank, bobby AND i Thank, nicole AND i Thank
trevor for coming in and letting me, highlight promote and

(01:25:50):
celebrate all the things that they do to give back
to our. Community one thing we didn't talk much, about
and the REASON i Wanted nicole to come, back is
at your, facility it's just not baseball and. Softball you
guys offer a, lot.

Speaker 4 (01:26:03):
Correct, yeah we offer a lot in terms of the,
facility but you, know over the, time we've had some
space in there that wasn't being. Utilized so at one
Point jack, was you, know a multi sport athlete like
we mentioned, earlier and so we put in a basketball
court and also a volleyball. Court so we do have
trainers that offer lessons to athletes in the local. Area

(01:26:26):
one is Volley house run By Sammy. Riley she was
our daughter's very first coach when she started her career
in volleyball and we've maintained a fabulous.

Speaker 2 (01:26:35):
Relationship she's.

Speaker 4 (01:26:36):
Phenomenal she Coaches Wisconsin Lutheran college as well as she's
coached at the club at a high very high level
club area in the local. Area and now she's with,
us so she's doing. Tremendous you can find her information
online on our website as, well and then at.

Speaker 1 (01:26:53):
The Halo facility one, word The Halo facility dot.

Speaker 4 (01:26:56):
Com, correct, yes and then we also have Next Gen
basketball run By Dave thompson who has played professionally. Overseas
just a great young. Man, uh you, know all these
individuals that are giving so much, again yes it's a
livelihood for, them but giving so much to the to
the youth starts from the.

Speaker 1 (01:27:14):
Top. Guys just so you, Know, hey who is the
pitching coach THAT i met WHEN i was what a
good young? Man oh, yeah a nice.

Speaker 2 (01:27:23):
Kid he Has ri's.

Speaker 4 (01:27:25):
Performance it's part Of trevor And cody And trevor's.

Speaker 2 (01:27:28):
Organization. Uh just.

Speaker 4 (01:27:30):
Great he's the best AROUND i you, know and again
we may laugh at how MUCH i know about the,
sport but this is the time and. Attention he's always,
There he's always putting in the work and just a, decent,
decent good.

Speaker 1 (01:27:41):
Human DID i see That Yelich brothers is part of your? Organizations,
yeah you know. What my wife's favorite baseball player Is.

Speaker 2 (01:27:50):
CHRISTIAN a lot of people's, face you know.

Speaker 1 (01:27:52):
What she can she can be in in the back
office or her office and she'll hear on THE. Tv you,
Know Christian yellich comes right back in and she just
loves when he when he's doing well and. Smiling it
seems like a good. Dude brother is a pretty good
guy as, well.

Speaker 4 (01:28:08):
Great, guy, right and the fact that he wants to
come and you know he's got a full time job as,
well but he also played professionally and you, know to
come back and want to give back to. YOUTH i
mean it says something special about, people.

Speaker 3 (01:28:22):
Just classic great. People, yeah great great family.

Speaker 1 (01:28:24):
MAN i love that tryouts people can get a look
on the. Website now if you look up again The
halo facility dot com and you go to more, information
you can find. Tryouts tell me about a typical tryout
for kids in your. Organization is it, running, hitting throwing

(01:28:47):
all the? Above is it a one day try out
a one hour? Trial tell me about how you guys
do your.

Speaker 3 (01:28:53):
Tryouts it's about one to one and a half. Hours
we try to do. It there is two days in
case somebody can't make. It we do run. On we
do some in. Field we'll get them on the mound
and we'll hit. Them we're pretty detail and. Basic we
don't want to keep them there all.

Speaker 1 (01:29:06):
Day but kids who play for you this year have
to try out next.

Speaker 2 (01:29:09):
Year, no they all receive retention. Offers they. Do, yes
we will never ever give up on a.

Speaker 1 (01:29:15):
KID i just feel like hugging, you AND i don't
really you, KNOW i really have a hard time with
kids that that work really. Hard and then every you,
know every one of the reasons the guy that a,
us everybody's trying to recruit kids better than what they
have now instead of trying to develop them into better.
Players and if you make A halo team and you

(01:29:38):
want to, stay you can stay An angels. Team An
angels Team.

Speaker 4 (01:29:42):
Midwest halos does retention offers as. Well, yeah, right there's
work differently because at that, point right when you when you're,
younger we're giving you the skills to. Develop when you
get to high, school you almost have to have THE
iq and the skills because that's what's going to get
you to the next. Level and not everybody his next
level is the. Same so we're providing all the levels

(01:30:04):
that kids can get, to whether it's what they want
to play, locally whether they want to go to you,
know college to play but they don't you, know they
don't want to GO d, one.

Speaker 2 (01:30:13):
Or they don't aspire to get to.

Speaker 4 (01:30:14):
Pros, right then those are the different levels and there
all those levels exist with both those.

Speaker 1 (01:30:19):
Organizations you know early on when you, said, look we're
not for, Everybody we're, not and not every place is
right for. EVERYBODY i get it. NOW i get WHEN
i would walk through your facility spending the two hours
that we've just. Spent if my grandson wanted to play
baseball and wanted to be, Better if my granddaughter wants

(01:30:40):
to play, Softball i'm bringing her to.

Speaker 2 (01:30:44):
You you go To john let, ABSOLUTELY i want to
start with.

Speaker 1 (01:30:47):
You i'm, sorry, Yeah and Then i'll go See, bobby
and Then i'll See. Trevor i'll get To john last
because he's a paint BUT i would AND i believe
in what your core mission statement is and the way
that you, guys you, know handle yourself in the way
that you see the game and what you want for

(01:31:08):
these kids is bigger than just being the best shortstop At, louisville,
Right it's it's it's more than. That SO i appreciate.
That bobby come up here for a minute and Grab nichole's. Microphone,
yeah that thing's gonna, move so you're gonna have to hold. It,
John i'm Gonna i'm gonna start with you all the
uniforms you've ever put on your entire, life from litle

(01:31:30):
league baseball and peewee, football all of. It if you
could pick one uniform out to get one more one
more game with that team and those, boys what uniform
do you take? Out who do you play? Against and?

Speaker 3 (01:31:42):
Why, see that's that's a tough one BECAUSE i played
a lot of, great, great great, people great athletes and
friend they're still my. FRIENDS i was STILL i don't
know on the days WHEN i played with my two,
Brothers billy And bobby with The Wolves. Cleaners but then,
AGAIN i WOULD i would love to play against my
my Son jack or have him play with, me and
that that is my you, know just seeing you, know you,

(01:32:06):
know how he's becoming a man and you, KNOW i
see if he can play with the, boys.

Speaker 1 (01:32:10):
And, YEAH i got to feel that he.

Speaker 3 (01:32:13):
Can't AND i have some my some my nieces and
NEPHEWS i can play and it's it's it's pretty. Cool
and you mentioned THE ma. Logics back in the, DAY
i played ball with all those guys and great family
from mister And Duane junior who just passed away, somebody
and you, Know, David, Dirk danny And diano and just you,
know the good people and competitive correct is all get.

Speaker 1 (01:32:32):
Out if you guys ever Do, thanksgiving your family and their,
family niece's, nephews you know, What i'm going to get
there an hour early because there might be a fish
fight THAT i might have to break.

Speaker 3 (01:32:42):
Up that was always my mom's favorite favorite. Holidays thanksgivings
as in, mine and yeah it's ours to.

Speaker 1 (01:32:48):
Mars To, bobby what uniform would you put?

Speaker 9 (01:32:51):
On you know, What i'd probably be the light blue
Of Thomas Moore state final junior year lost TO i
think Was Madison.

Speaker 8 (01:33:01):
Edge would To mike D.

Speaker 1 (01:33:02):
Yeah you'd like that game back one more?

Speaker 9 (01:33:05):
Time one more, time, RIGHT i think we lost four to,
one but to get to the, Boys.

Speaker 1 (01:33:09):
Yeah just one more. Time, MAN I i love THAT i. Do,
Hey John, MAN i appreciate your willingness to come. In
And i'm glad that some of your some people that
were listening when your son was, on we text you and,
said man mcgiververn's ripping. You you better get it there blown. Up,
Yeah and you know, what it. WORKED i can't believe it,
worked but it. Did and AND i need to look

(01:33:32):
in the eye and tell you That i'm a huge
fan of the work that you and your wife and family,
do and AND i think that it's important that that.
Look you're giving back to the community that you grew up,
in and you're doing it the way that your father would,
be just wanting you to figure this out and do this.
Stuff he put in a lot of sweat equity in
this in your family and to teaching you how to

(01:33:54):
be be good, people be good, athletes be respectful to the,
game and try your best and the best that you,
can and be. COMPETITIVE i have a hard time when people, go,
oh they're only out to. Win they're. Not you can
only be out to, win but you're not gonna win
much if that's the only, goal you.

Speaker 3 (01:34:10):
Know AND i was talking to one of my coaches
the other. Day and you, know, yes it's about, winning
but you have to teach these kids how to learn
and learn the right way, TOO i, mean lose and
lose the right, way you, know you, know be. Grateful
hey their team beat, you shake their, hand. Congratulations, hey
we'll get you next. Time and you, know winning and,
losing it's part of life and learning the right.

Speaker 1 (01:34:28):
Way, hey when you were back At Thomas, moore who
who was the team that you didn't like?

Speaker 3 (01:34:34):
Much because back then there's A Catholic we had a
lot of we had a lot of great. RIVALRIES i,
mean you, know The, marquettes The Elastic boys and everybody
And Memorial marchesi's and the and The malachniks and and
and then The Pious we had A i mean there's
a lot Of dominican back in the. Day as my
brother's great and you know that eighty two team AND
i was fortunate to be a part of With Coach

(01:34:54):
selecti and all the big, boys and those are those
are my. MENTORS i saw someone you, guys you know
they took care of, me you, know AND i was
just a. Sophomore and and that's why tell my you,
know my son and everybody. Else you, know take care
of those younger. Kids teach him the right. Way you
know they're going to look up to you.

Speaker 1 (01:35:08):
Someday you, know how do you think your son will
being a freshman on a college team with a lot of,
talent all of a, sudden you go from being the top,
right you're the best player not only in your, team
but maybe in The, midwest maybe in the, state in this,
area in the. Conference then you go there where. Everybody

(01:35:29):
how difficult the transition for? Him will it?

Speaker 3 (01:35:31):
Be do you, Think, well he knows he has to
with Coach. Hannas he has to work and work his butt.
Off and and he just talked to us the other
day and nickk he teks him and he goes cause
the you, know the different positions in the short something
might be coming. Back and he, SAID i just want
to get on the. Field so he's got that work,
ethic and he goes by work. HARD i know he
can get on the field and whatever happens. Happens he
can play, second, right he can play, second play out,

(01:35:52):
field can play, anywhere and he can hit at that.
Level he's not bad eye contact hit, Her he's not.

Speaker 1 (01:35:58):
Bad look at everybody else's. Island but but you on
that and AND i love. It did you guys play
a lot of? Softball then we played a lot of competitive.
Softball that's if you play no, hardball just. Hardball, NOPE
i stopped a couple of years. Ago you don't play softball.

Speaker 3 (01:36:19):
ANYMORE i gave away touch, football played uh softball.

Speaker 1 (01:36:23):
Basically with the logics or against them.

Speaker 3 (01:36:26):
Both BUT i still remember missing logic screen of me
down down WHEN i running down the. SIDELINE i won't
tell you what you. Said but no, morning.

Speaker 1 (01:36:35):
Dumb button doesn't doesn't work as well as well as
it used. TO I i loved, UH i DID. I
i loved playing all the, softball my favorite right at the, end,
Right i'm done Now i'm too. Old BUT i played
on our church softball, team and and that's a whole.
Different it's just played on our, church played in the,
tavern and so we got killed every. Time AND i

(01:36:56):
just subbed at the end and their last. Game this
is a year or two years. Ago i'm on deck
AND i Realize i'm twelve for twelve right the times
That i've been in AND i just punched the ball
the right. Field, well the guys on the other. Team
the umpire was a basketball. Official the catcher is a basketball.
Coach the pitcher was a. Coach the guy SHORT i
knew all these guys and as they the picture was

(01:37:19):
throwing the ball two watch by them the seventh last,
game And i'm up and in my Mind i'm, Like
i'm twelve for. Twelve this is. Great as he's pitching,
it the shortsteps starts running on the other side of second.
Base ALL i do is hit a ground ball the
SHORT i swang and, missed AND i got home my
wife for two years and not let me forget. It
isn't isn't it? Underhand, yes it's. Underhead isn't the ball this? Big, yes,

(01:37:42):
honey the? Ball how did you? Miss AND i, GO
i don't, know BUT i have not swaying a bad.
Sense do you miss playing every?

Speaker 3 (01:37:49):
Day? Yeah you, know it's it's more your mind can do.
It the body on my body's pretty beat. Up but,
UH i miss all the boys and all the fellows
that you. KNOW i do, great great, friends great. Camaraderie
AND i stopped it all at the same, time AND
i SAID i wouldn't go, back And i'm going to
get more into coaching and give back to the young.

Speaker 1 (01:38:04):
Kids AND i put a little softball team. Together maybe you. Come,
NO i heard it every. Day hold, on hold, on
turn to your. Right she's not letting you.

Speaker 3 (01:38:14):
Apply she came to a couple of. Games.

Speaker 1 (01:38:16):
Yeah was she quiet during the?

Speaker 3 (01:38:18):
Games, yeah she said with the. Friends that's.

Speaker 1 (01:38:20):
Awesome, hey, guys thank, You, nikki thank you so. MUCH
i Can't i'm a HUGE i like these. Guys i'm
a huge fan of. Yours AND i watch how you
keep this thing together and talking to your. Husband he, Said,
LOOK i can't do this without. Her AND i appreciate
that those words a. Lot and uh and thank you
for doing, This, trevor thank you for coming.

Speaker 4 (01:38:42):
In.

Speaker 1 (01:38:42):
Bobby it's good to see.

Speaker 3 (01:38:43):
You.

Speaker 1 (01:38:44):
John thanks, well thank.

Speaker 3 (01:38:45):
You thanks for having. Us AND i appreciate everything you
do for all the youth around the city Of milwaukee
and the state Of wisconsin. Too SO i appreciate people
don't really realize.

Speaker 8 (01:38:52):
That.

Speaker 9 (01:38:52):
WELL i really appreciate Those friday night football games.

Speaker 1 (01:38:55):
Too, man thank you for.

Speaker 3 (01:38:56):
That.

Speaker 1 (01:38:57):
Yeah can you believe they keep hiring me every other
foot game in the. Country is a good looking young
female as a silent reporter and they get all this,
kids that's WHAT i.

Speaker 3 (01:39:06):
Can catch out for that tenor. Efforts this here For witne.
Quarterback look.

Speaker 1 (01:39:09):
Out yeah he can throw a little. Bit he can
throw baseball player. Again, yeah, yes that's. Awesome, guys thank.
YOU i really appreciate the, hat by the, way and
it's certainly my. Producer will pick a hat now if
you want a couple. Back BUT i play a lot of,
golf So i'll wear them on the golf course all
over the. Place, guys go go to their website if
you've got somebody in their age group that you want

(01:39:31):
to get a try. Out that's coming up here in
a couple of. Weeks The Halo facility dot. Com The
Halo facility dot. Com it's a great, website a lot of.
Information if you have, QUESTIONS i would call and Ask
nikki because she can answer all of. Them but call
over there or stop in and see the facility if
you want to be amazed stopping and see that. Facility

(01:39:52):
it's a really nice, place extremely, clean really well, run
and it's got a lot of things outside of. Baseball there's,
basketball there's, pitching there's. Volleyball thehalofacility dot. Com this is
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