November 27, 2023 • 51 mins
Fillmoe Mike of 106.1 KMEL recently sat down with B Legit and King Cydal on this latest installment of the Wash Ya Back podcast.
Producer/Supervising editor of this episode is Christian Montoya
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We're backing this motherfucker for another installmentof the Wash Your Back Podcast. We
got a special guest in this motherfuckerto night, a very special guest along
a friend of mine been rocking withfor many moves. Mane. We got
Bela shit the savage in this thingtonight. Y'all. Yes, what's up,
bro? How you doing it good? What's good? Hey man?
You reached out? He's like,Man, when do we get on the
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podcast? Like, be let's go. I got you right now, Shelly
Man. This is the Washingback Podcast. I go by the name of film
Michael. We also got King saddlingthis thing as well. Somebody have been
north for then near eighteen twenty yearsalmost yeah, so sure, so we
got a thing. Let's make anoise. We got the thing that we
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do. Oh here, this isthe washing Back Podcast. So we have
to ask all our guests. Didyou wash your back today? I didn't.
Oh shit, does somebody watching foryou? Bela Absolutely? Okay,
that's what's good. You always gotalways kicked a potty here by dadd sly
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did you watch your back thoroughly?Okay? For sure. It's kind of
hard to, you know, getthose spots so you feeling somebody you know,
you know, do it for you, massage it out. Yeah,
yeah, wax. Make sure thatyou know thoroughly you know, wax thoroughly
washed. So we got be legitatethe billy ben uh, billy, you're
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looking good, brother, Look atyou. Look at six' five niggas
on no be legit like six'five are part of here. Man,
I'm about six fold but you know, yeah sixfold, yes, sir,
Yeah you've been Uh are you stillon your vegetarian? I ain't seafood now?
But okay, well in twenty seventeen, I went, uh yeah,
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vegetarian big into whatever they want tocall. I just started eating the meat
right and then uh like probably abouttwenty nineteen, maybe twenty maybe, yeah,
twenty twenty twenty I started incorporated seafoodback on my die. Okay.
Couldn't stay away, yeah, Imean you know I didn't want to fly
away either, you know, Iwanted to hold on right right right?
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You was looking too light? Yeah, they thought something was wrong, now,
but man, you you was,you said, I think at the
Yo. I seen some old pictures, bro. I think you was in
Murder Dog. You had to beat least three fifty definitely right. That
was my peak. That was thatwas that was Hillside Hog for Shure for
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sure. Hey, so uh yougot a new album being been pushing it
throw block music too, Yeah,ad a boy, Yeah for sure.
I hit you when you dropped it, man, sidle you all up on
that thing, Shine. I toldbe, I'm like man shot on there.
He sounded crazy. Was killing thehoogs, killing the versus man bela
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teller. Tell the people about thealbum and the project. Yeah, so
you know, and the concept okayyah, being that week going back to
the fifty years ago pop, itwas actually thirty years since my first single
release trying to get a buck.So I wanted to make some music that
surrounded that sound, that nostalgic soundof like eighty eight. Actually that's when
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our first MVP album came out.Okay, that was thirty five years wow,
so shit. You know, Nigga'sbeen on the grind shot a long
long time. But that nostalgic music, you know, that was the original
Bay Area sound that you know,we came up off of and that we
kind of brought to the game andthe table, and I just wanted to
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bring that back that element back becauseyou know hip hop and you know music,
it evolves. Yes, you knowwhat I'm saying. You had you
know, the hyphie music, andit just keeps going and different things come
on. But that was the yellowbrick roll for me, okay. And
what it was about was, youknow, it was de boy music.
You know in the Bay Area.You know at that time, everybody was
hustling and the soundtrack for hustling waswas the ad a D Boy off Top,
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off Top. So that's what Itried to bring back. Dang,
you definitely brought that back, notjust with the beats, but with like
the song concepts, you know,the lyrics and ship and definitely, like
you know, it was more like, you know, it has a feel
I feel that's right. You knowwhat I'm saying. You got to get
back to the melodic hooks, youknow what I'm saying, Just things that
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make you feel the music versus That'swhat music is to me. It is
a vibe, you know what Imean. We tried to make that a
whole eighty eight D Boy vibe.Got you got you talk about who are
some of the producers that you workedwith on this album? And uh,
talk about like just working with newproducers. Man. So with me,
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it's just my ear. Yeah,it's like it's what I hear, and
what I hear is like I sayin that when I'm in that mode,
you know, I'm looking for,you know, basslines, I'm looking for
old schools, right, you knowwhat I'm saying. You know what I'm
saying. Uh, And it don'tmatter who do it. It's just if
I hear it, I like it. So a couple of producers that that
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went back in the bag for me, you know, of course Rick Rock,
you know what I'm saying. ButI wasn't got this dude named by
the name of Sticks shout Out OneTime Fix in the mix, and he
came. He came with the titletrack ady a d Boy. And then
uh, I had this guy fromKansas City JPZ. He did the song
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pocket Full of Money with Young DolphinBoosy. We're gonna dropped that video,
okay, except too. And thenI mean, you know, just anybody
that really had a you know,that sound that you're looking for. I
was looking for it caught my earso and I did some tracks that that's
getting ready to come out that didn'tmake it out but still on that vibe.
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You know what I'm saying That Mechanicsdid a couple of them. Yeah,
And like I said, it's justlike this guy hit me up.
Like one of the last songs onthe album was count he from Detroit named
Big Slim okay, and he shotit to me and I was like,
you know what, I like thiswent in there and you know, hooked
it up for Shelley shouts the Slimshout to Detroit. Tell tell the people
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about your relationship and how how muchyou fuck with Detroit and vice versus Detroit
fuck with Beeler. I'm a startby saying I got five five sisters in
Detroit and live in Detroit that beenliving there. Wow. Oh okay,
you know on my father's side.Okay, got you yeah, So but
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really like I got introduced uh intouh Detroit by my man Yacht and rest
in peacet But Yacht was the CEOof Street Lords okay, Shuttle Boys yeah,
and blade Icewood Okay. So hecalled me down there to do a
track. Okay. I went downthere, did the track, and then
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they called me back to come tothe video. I landed out there in
ninety eight, and man, onceI got there in ninety eight, I
felt like it was eighty eight inthe Bay Area. Oh shit. I
mean just the way that they wassmoothing now they was it was still cool
that everybody still love each other causeokay, they was getting money, you
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know what I'm saying. And itwas just everything that you know, everything
that that that we was on.You know that we were so similar,
you know what I'm saying, thelifestyle. But for us it had changed.
You know, a lot of killinghad started for them. Even though
the killing started, it wasn't tothe extent where it was for us.
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So I was able to go backthere and tell the may in about five
years, this dude gonna tell onhim like when it happened. They say,
oh, man, you jinxed us, you jinx us. But no,
I just like, you know,you've seen it. Yeah, I've
seen it. But man, wehad some fun. I met a lot
of cool people and we did therap thing. We did it all.
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So I just been there since then. I mean, like from ninety eight
to like now. I mean I'dbe talking to people when they was like,
man, you ain't from Detroit becauseright the twenties and I'd have been
over in there. They grew upseeing me running through there hanging out.
I thought, over from Detroit,that's crazy. You say you could see
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it? You can kind of ohman, they going back door? But
like musically, did you see likethey kind of like how they kind of
high right now? Did you seethere? And a lot of Detroit niggas
don't talk about rapping and hustling,So did you kind of like see that
I was? Did you foresee thatI was with the hottest dude in Detroit?
Okay, blade Icewood, got you? I did records with him,
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off the top, they called me. They opened my eyes up to it.
Okay, got you? And theyhad an album called It's on TikTok
and that's the album that we're I'monly like about three or four songs on
that album. Okay, Sure Iwas with that movement. Yeah, you
know what I'm saying. I'm like, okay, you know, yeah,
you know, I'm we connected,you know what I'm saying. And I
was dealing with them and doing songs, and then they got the East Side
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Chellar Boys, and a whole wholelot of things happened, and you know,
then you know, Blade got killed, White Out got killed, and
just a lot of things that I'veseen that already happen in in Bay Area
or just in life in general.Right, you know what I'm saying.
You know, everybody cool at once, the North gonna funk with the South,
and the South gonna funk with theWest, you know, and you
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get all that type of ship andthey was in a good space and then
it happened got you. But youknow, uh, let me ask you
this, Bela, because you alwaysin the studio, you stay working,
been in a game, like yousaid, more than the thirty five years,
and you steal your work. Ethicis crazy. What do be Legit
need when you going to the studio? What's your what's your you feel me
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what you need? What's your prep? Do you eat before you order some
food? It'd be about it.Be about it if I go to the
candy shop, the candy shop,Yeah, I gotta go get me some
flavors, right, Okay, letme know certain flavors of the smoke.
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If it's if it tickled my fancyYeah, it's gonna it's gonna click.
Just said tickle my fancy mob ship. Bitch straight up nigga and if if,
if it do it. You knowwhat I'm saying, it's gonna it's
gonna click on the creative mode,got you. And the thing is,
I got a studio in my houseand that's where I really hang out at.
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That's like where I can get mysmoke on and free think and everything.
So and my mic is set upjust like this, So okay,
looking at the computer, Yeah,hop something on and come on, I
just start playing with it and thenI'll funk around to get into it.
But it's just you know, yougotta be in that creative mode. What's
your favorite type of weed? It'sjust it's just whatever. I can't have
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just one, like okay for me, I get bored if somebody like even
when people give me weed, likewhen I go to the uh little shops
or whatever and they like give mefree weed. I only like them to
give me like an eighth or two, you know, two bags each.
Yeah, I go home, spreadit out. You can give me a
q people just give me a QPa whole bunch of different weed, you
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know what I'm saying. So Ican go through it and like, oh
I feel like this, I'm gonnasmoke a joint. There's something smoke a
joint that go see the movie.Oh it's a real ship, bro,
you don't know hobbity ties. Peopleare saying, Man, I've seen bel
of Shit and I'm smoke I'll smokedwith. I smoke bell of hit out.
How does that feel to be likeeverybody favorite person to like smoke with.
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They see you, they be like, and even know, what does
they tell me based on your look? You look like you hella meane and
ship put you the coolest digger outfor real? For real? Man,
listen, you probably got smoked outso many times. I was always told,
like, you know, you know, listen to anybody. Really,
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they can find a message through anybodygot you, So I don't really pass
nobody up, you know. Sothey'd be like, you know, let
me and they're like, hey,man, be legit, I want you
to try this right, Like Imight not want to try it then,
but like, all right here,let me check it out. And then
I mess around and get home andsmoke it. And it was some of
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the best like I ever had orwhatever. And I call Sidle, Hey,
hey, you remember that dude.They gave me that leave you remember
remember where we know him from whatCliff week was we at right, Yeah,
so you know what I'm saying,it's just like you never know what
you're gonna get and and you know, just whatever the case may be,
give me some very important people.Some people be like, just like,
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I ain't trying to like I ain'ttrying to pose on you or nothing.
But you know, I got allus over here. I just want you
to try a little bit right man. You know, he straight up let
me people be thinking you offending themby giving him like, man, I'm
trying to keep some we it's allgood. Please here. I just make
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sure that it's some fire got youknow, straight up, you don't we
trying to lace this ship either up. We got be legit here based to
wash it back podcast We Got Kicks. Sidle In a Billy King said,
don introduce yourself, tell the peoplewhat you do, what you've been doing,
telling our cameo story about your boyall that good ship real quick?
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Yeah yeah, film more mic.He led a mic. You know what
I mean, that's one thing that'sright. Let him know. I'm like,
this is my turn on you knowwhat I'm saying. Yeah, but
uh yeah, we have some goodtimes back then. You know what I'm
saying. We got a chance tobond and because of men, you know
what I mean, in this gameand Kase Siddle's a record producer, rapper,
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writer, songwriter, he's a hostas well himself. He be doing
ship for Emerald cupping all that ship. My bad cousins. I had to
cut you off, you know whatI'm saying. You let them know facts,
you know what I mean. Soyeah, just a long time in
it, long time coming, andyou know it's just an appreciation, you
know what I mean. You know, us being in the game so long,
you know what I mean. Butyou got to learn to love it
and learn and appreciate it and learnto want to keep doing it right,
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you know what I mean. Ifyou don't have no purpose, you know,
fuck are we doing? Yeah?Are you doing? Nah? Because
oh some real ship. You wasdoing your thing and we kind of like
wasn't really you know, we willsee each other Facebook, Instagram, whatever
it was. I don't know whatit was back then. But then I
see you start working with Beela.How did y'all kind of like link up?
Man? We was supposed to linkup years ago? Okay, and
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uh, I had some shorts onetime, short. I was going to
uh no, no, no,okay, some shorts like pants pants brand
new pants. I was going todo some shows in Texas. Okay.
So we end up in Texas anduh, where was that? Uh?
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I forget what? But it wasa water burger. Okay. We get
there and my phone is not inmy pocket. Digging it, I'm like,
you know, but that was thephone that had beling numbering. Oh
man. So maybe fast forward tolike maybe five years from that point,
I see him at the club atthe Holy Cow. He was at event
and you know what I'm saying,ran into him, you know what I
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mean? And then I hit him. A couple of weeks later, I
was like, where you at?I know, I mean you in the
area somewhere where I'm you know whereyou at? He was like, I
was waiting on you right and thenyep, I was like can you smoke
over there? He's like to youpop straight up. I brought my keyboard,
I was bought a car, wentover there and we've been on ever
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since. Man. It was oneof them one of those people that you
know when you when you meet him, you're like you know you're not sure,
but you know he's somebody. Yeah, you know. Way his presence
was yep, he was just standingup kind of tall, like man,
that's that's that dude right there,He's somebody like right, it was another
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title. I remember that, right, So it kind of like about him,
know the name. I had heardthe name, but when I seen
him that day, like like wesaid in the Holy Cow and then we
hooked up at the yeah, cameto the studio and we started doing music.
I was like, Okay, definitelythat's a difference. And the thing
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is you're both humble, You're bothlove of work side of the type of
nigga. He he gonna steal yourlot, bro, I got this.
Let's let let's try that. Sothat's a beautiful thing. Like like you
said, I'm glad y'all got achance to to to link up and uh,
you know, make it happen.Uh you do beats on this album,
right, don't you got a coupleon this album. I will be
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returning to production real soon. Iwent on the hiatus with the production.
You know what I'm saying. Youknow, I miss it, you know,
so I want to get back toit. But I was going heavy
with the production. I got alot of production on a lot of projects.
But you know, it's been awhile, but in that time,
I got better with songwriting and hookwriting. Yeah that's what you was doing
your thing on that album. Bro, just real quick, because you tell
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the story better than me. Soyour boy shout out to Rich Rocker back
in the day on his first album. Sider was on the album Real Quick.
Before we get back to you,Bela, Sider was on the album.
I pulled up. I think yourboy called me or Rich Rocker call
I mean the same person you calledme, or Rich Rocker called me something.
He was like, Bro, wegotta come down here. You gotta
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hear this, Bro, you gottahear this. Went down there you played
the like the rest draft version offrom the Turf of the Club. We
thought we had a hit. Wethought we had was now. That was
a great song, don't get mewrong. But the thing that was sick
was we got it on It wason radio like we got a mixed master.
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It was on radio like like twoweeks, like a week later.
I swear to god, I pulledup. Matter of fact, I let
Dj black Mark here. He thoughtthat he was like, b this ship
slap. I went to City College. We was playing it that City College,
like two days after y'all have recordedthe song. You always tell that
story though. I love. Ilove when you tell that story. Yeah.
Man, it's just the timing ofit. You know what I mean
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to your grandma house. Yeah,e Pa was in East Bay. Okay,
okay, I remember we got apicture in front an undisclosed location.
You did. We were somewhere inthe tunnel and uh. He called me.
He's like, man, I needa beat, you know what I
mean? And you was just alwaysready to work, but at this time
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I would always go, you know, to that area. You know what
I mean. I'm like, youknow, pull up on me. And
he was like nah. He waslike all right, all right, right,
came out there, went through somebeas and when he heard it,
he jumped up. You know whatI mean, told me this, you
know, add some changes to it, and we wrote that song right and
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then you know, then he calledyou the next morning. That's right,
we went to there. B y'allwas on. Y'all was on home turf.
Literally, it's still we still gothome turf. Y'all's on home turf
literally like the next week, bro, right, So salute to you may
and working hard, standing, diligent. Yeah, absolutely, But at that
time, you know, you know, the head swelled, you know what
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I mean. So it happened sofast that the appreciation went away so fast,
you know what I mean. Butthen when the light go away,
you know what I mean, andyou're like, how do I get back
there? You know what I'm saying. So you know, you go through
your humble phase or whatnot, youknow what I'm saying, and elevate and
you know, being under this brotherright here, you know he polished a
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lot of that, right right right? What if what is the most?
What if you learned the most frombe legit from bela perseverance, you know,
and you know, don't rush it, you know, come out with
it when it's time, you know, like you know on rush time,
and you know when it's your time, it's your time. Everybody has different
time. When you say time ordon't rush it? Do you mean like
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you know sometimes people like it seemslike they just putting out records just to
put out records, right, youknow what I'm saying, Like, bro,
Like, like do you mean likeyou're just taking your time like you're
trying to write look for your moment, or you just you know, just
being you know. I heard LarryJune say sometimes I do one I do
a versus that I may do anad lib a day, like I'm not
rushing nothing. I mean that whatyou mean by when you say don't rush.
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Now the time to find your purpose, Okay, thank you and why
you're doing it, and that,you know, helps the creativity and the
whole phase of gotcha, the pictureof what you're trying to paint. People
don't know the people the picture you'retrying to paint. They don't know the
brush you're using. They don't knowthe thought process, so they don't know
how to identify with someone who theydon't even know how they work, how
to think, you know, Sowhen they have a purpose for it,
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the love for it, they couldsee that, Oh okay, let me
know. Niggas will get deep onthis this I like that. So watcher
Back Podcast makes film on Mike andthis thing sitting here with Belegit the Savage
Bela. One of the things that'scrazy about you. It's a lot of
rappers from the Bay Area. Rightwhen you go outside the Bay Area.
One of the most consistent names youhear is about people loving be Legit as
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a rapper. Can you tell itbecause I know for a fact Jeezi loves
you. He like Belait my favoriterapper from I've heard it so many times
working at this at the studio atthe came Yelle just talk about like your
influence on like And I know it'sgood to have influence with somebody from the
Bay but it gotta be feeling goodwhen you have the number one rapper at
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the time, say Belagit is myfavorite rapper, one of my favorite rappers
and my favorite, absolutely favorite rapperfrom the Bay Area. Right, I
mean, you know it's cool,that's what you want your yeah, yo
yo, you know fruit to yourlabor yea from your people's here's people that's
you know, on top of theirgame. And they'll tell you. You
know, they come tell me likeBoosy, right, you know, the
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real real niggas in the game.And let you know, man, I
grew up on your ship, rightand you know you got me through this
and wool that's all we did.You know what I'm saying. They just
keep it real with them up.You know what I mean, And that's
what it was. That's and thatmusic was for those people. You know
what I'm saying. It reached them. You know what I'm saying, They
had it had that reach. Sothat's that's what. That's just cool.
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That feel cool, like you know, that's definitely, that's that's your flowers
roses for the show. Definitely.Another question I got, uh is concerning
your cousin y'all eat fortyse cousins,right, okay for the shore? Do
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is it? Do you? Isit a friendly rivalry? Do you try
to? Like? For me,I'm a competitor and I know y'all cousins,
but it's like, do you likewhen y'all be writing rhymes? Like
when y'all wrote Sideways? Was itlike was y'all kind of like competing in
a good way? Not not likeyou wanted to hate, but it was
like trying to you know you rappit. It's always friendly competition, yes,
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sir, it's always friendly competition.Like you know if ooh, you
came hard, Okay, I gotthat's who I can't it's gonna make you
say, well, it's it's afew people I don't like writing with because
like you know, in this musicgame, especially like you know, during
the times of like being in Hollywoodand just moving moving through it, you're
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gonna have people be like, hey, come to the studio, come on,
come on, let's go to thestudio. Let's go hop on something.
And it's just a couple of peoplethat when I write, one of
them like I just don't look aboutit. They're gonna make me work.
They're gonna make me work hard.Like yuck Mouth is one of them,
Okay, yuck Mouth and and RichRich too, okay, because they so
precise with their writing. They rightclean and ain't ain't no words wasted,
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right, you know what I'm saying. A lot of people be mumbo jumbo
and they be like, nah,they come off clean, they hit their
spots, they hit they it's allthe right ship. So I'll be like,
damn, this is just a littleverse that we're doing for somebody else.
You could have came in and outright now, y'all making me write
and think. But it's cool.You know, that's that's still sharpness still
right right, keep your keep yourtools sharp, and you want to do
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that. You know, back inthe days we rush to go get whoever
album was coming out. Yeah,yeah, they coming who produce? What
seeing what it was? Oh,that's that's tight, you know, because
it's gonna make you want to gointo the studio. Because a good rapper
and good music that you fuck withgonna make you want to go rap it
make you some good ship too.So we waiting, Oh this ship came
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out. Oh that's hot. I'mawait of the lab right straight up,
straight up. That's just how itwent. I see you doing your thing
at the Juvenile twenty fifth anniversary show. Yeah, most definitely that. I
was sick. B Yeah, youcame out, like I said, look
at six five six six mob ship, bitch. You did the other sideway
that you went into the city.The city of course the boy shout out
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to the boy, Yeah, shoutto the boy dad, you know the
boy. Dan used to work heretoo. Yeah. Yeah. He called
me and said, you know,you know, I want to bring you
out, like all right, let'sget it right. So yeah, he
called me and we just did it, you know show. We had seen
Julie like two weeks prior to that, uh down there Sacramento, okay,
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and he was like, yeah,please go through man. Like support right,
putting on you know, putting onhis own own gigs for sure,
getting to that bad all right,right right, right, right right.
You're still doing shows in pine Bluff, Arkansas. I ain't been to Pine
Bluff bad. I definitely definitely uhnow town. He'd be outside. Yeah,
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you know, you know, Iget around straight up. Man.
They called him him coming hell yeara film and Mike on to Wash Your
Back podcast. We got the legendits savage be legit in this motherfucker uh
Fody so Fordy just got the uhthe was it fody way way? That
was yesterday? I know, yeahthat was beautiful. Had the mayor out
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there, had uh all the citycouncil. I know, you got to
be proud. Yeah, man,it was it was like it was what
they say, it's surreal moment.We did it right in front of the
thirteen hunting block Magazine Street. Thinkingabout it, that's sick man. We
was. We was in the frontyard. We was just you know,
fucking around and one of the dudes, you know, he was showing his
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house and we looked at it andit was it was another bullet hole.
Still some bullet holes, but theywasn't from when we was there some fresh
ones like having right, there wasn'tno throw back the bullets. It was
some new bullets generation Z. Yeah. I'm like they're still still popping off
around this right straight a goud uh. A question I have for you is
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tell us about the recording process whenyou first started versus now. Okay.
It's like for my boys to tellme, like, bro, we have
they used to to be whining andshose. Well, I'm like, listen,
So I try to tell people.You know, our first record I
just posted today was a twelve inchesMaxi single. Oh wow, you know
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that's just how it was produced,how it came out. Yeah, he
was going to get viny on first, right, and then we went into
the cassettes. Right, you knowwhat I'm saying in the CDs. But
at that time that's who we wason the Maxi single. So when you
record, you can go record ona quarter inch, record on a half
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inch or you know, four inch, and the bigger, the the real
the more it costs. Oh shit, but the higher quality. Okay,
got you. But if you recording, you recording like say you're recording on
the cord ends, when you messup, you got to you gotta start
over or something. Man. Nowthey explice it like you get you know,
you take the part where you okay, got you cut the real and
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record on this other port. Okay, it's damn used to have the table,
no digital, all down near allanalog, like you all analog.
You do it all yourself. Yougotta do it all yourself. So back
then, you know you really knewyour lyrics because you know you ain't.
You're not trying to mess up andhave to do it over, right.
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You rehears it, Yeah, yourehearsing right, and you get it down.
And and then when you take that, you might take that and get
to the bigger studio and bounce thatdown to a bigger reel for the mix.
You know what I'm saying. Butit was real, you know what
I'm saying. That's where with allthe masters was kept on. Okay,
now you know what I'm saying.With this new wage technology, the computers
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said, you don't even need Imean, you used to go to the
studio and you would judge the studioon how big the board was. Okay
board they had that's the big studio, right, But now it don't even
matter that shit, don't matter abouthow big the board unless you unless you
just like an engineer or like justa freak with a good ear and you
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understand what you're hearing. They understanda digital sound versus an analog and you
know the fact the warmth of themusic, and that's some people like that,
you know, like that quality sound. But for the most part,
in this digital age, they justthey're not even mixing songs, do you.
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Black Sea? We had black seeinghere in Black Sea. I was
I was noticing like he seemed likehe like an ri is all all his
projects. You also seem like youkind of are very because I plus I
see you in the studios. You'revery hands on with all of your projects.
Do you handle that? Do you? And are most of your projects
set it up? Songs? Allthat shit? I treat a project like
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writing a report order or writing abook, and get the title of first,
and then I make everything like chaptersoutline. Okay, gotcha, you
know what I'm saying. So everything, all the songs are gonna relate to
the title of the of the album. Gotcha, you know what I mean?
And try to stick to that format. That's why some songs don't make
the album because it's a nice song, but they don't fit the album.
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It's a vibe right here, thisis this is all you know, a
certain vibe and this is a differentvibe, but it don't go there,
right That's what you know, versusjust making songs. You know what I'm
saying, I could, you can, you can make it. I can
make a twenty song album. Weused to do that all the time,
you know, but twenty twenty twosongs. But do it all. We
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come from the air, you know, fast forward and rewinding cassette tapes could
cause you some problems. Second thedeck, you gotta pop it out.
So tried to make music to whereyou didn't have to you didn't have to
skip from nothing in and play andhopefully hopefully you had out reverse and it
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just turned over and play the otherside. No fillers, no songs,
you know, just gonna take youon that. Hey you're gonna go on
an hour ride. Okay, wegot something for you here, but definitely
and just roll yes. So,and that's that's being an artist versus just
being a rapper, you know whatI mean. There is a difference.
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It's people who are more concerned aboutthe art of the music. And it
should be like a picture. Youknow what I'm saying. When you know,
when the uh, the finished product, it's a piece of art.
It should be like that that whenyou delivered. It should be a piece
of art. It should tell astory straight up. That's sick your fans
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when you talk to your fans orI don't know if you ask them,
but what do they like most aboutbe legit when they talk to you.
I think just the fact that theycan talk to me. Okay, that's
some real ship though. Yeah,you're very approachable. Yeah, and you
know it's all of them. Ihave a story, you know, Like
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I said, a lot of alot of people that I've talked to,
Man, I did. I didten years over here. You know,
I was going through something man inyour music ghetto smile, you know,
it brought me through the off time, you know, and this and that
and and then a lot of peoplegot memories of what kind of life they
was living at that time, youknow, right, and this was the
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soundtrack. Man. Oh yeah,me and my girls used to get dressed.
We just go over here and dothis, right, and you know
it was happy moments in their life. Yeah, they like to share that
with me, and I like thatfor sure. I bet, I bet
I love to see because y'all behell aroanda with Like sometimes you'll pop up
on forty and like like I wasin Seattle right and you had pulled up.
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I'm like, oh ship, butthen you wasn't in Portland. You
didn't go to the next city.But I was like, man, I
remember that. It'll be sometimes likeI might have a show like two cities
over yeah, and I got adate off and he over here, go
hop on and do something with himthat's hard and pop out and go do
do what I gotta do. That'ssick. You know. If I'm around
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here, I'm definitely gonna come,you know, but if I'm nothing to
gets h D Shot or whoever bethe hype of forty, but it ain't.
It ain't the same. Man,when you you hearing, you feel
me be legit and forty I loveD Shot or I'm not D Shot.
That's amazing, amazy, my bad, big old easy, but the same.
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It's written this stone, you knowabout that that one two combo right
the way you know we started out, you know, like it was peanut
Butter and Jelly. So it's justlike you know, Kobe and Shack.
Yeah, yeah, it's just thedynamic duos. So I'm gonna put you
on the spot about dynamic duos.Yeah, name some some some of your
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favorite dynamic duos besides yourself and misterforty water. As far as like rappers,
like rappers like Nas and a zor Jade Kiss and styles. Py
gonna say, Ja Stoles p uhhuh e p m d oh that's a
good one. Run DMC. Imean you know Sid, I mean you
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know it was when I came up. Yeah, it was rap groups.
Okay, right, that's true.A lot more. It was more.
It was a lot of rap groups. You had a few solo artists every
now and then, but it waslike cruise click right, That's why it
was called the click that so getit. So it was certain people hang
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out, they wrapped together. Thatwas hip hop, right, And it
was some certain people you know,uh, let me see nor Yeg and
Copona nor Yega you're seeing in Yeah, they was tight. It was a
lot though, you know what I'msaying. There was a lot of a
lot of different groups back then.Does and effects you know, what I'm
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saying just hip hop, you knowwhat I mean. And you know it
was a cool place. A lotof uh, a lot of connections was
made, a lot of people collaboratedwith each other. It was just,
you know, good way of knowingeach other. How about this, what's
the biggest difference between like for yourself? Uh, like the rap the rap
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game now versus the like the likethe rap game now versus then for yourself?
Oh shure, that's easy. That'sit's just you just following the money,
like you know, okay me No, back then, you know it
was it was harder to get moneywas easier, easier, okay, easier
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got you. It was more likebecause we was independent. So it's like,
you know, you get pre orders, you kind of knew, you
know what your pre order is goingto be, right, So, like
you if you got pre orders tosay fifty thousand units, you know,
fifty thousand times ten dollars what thatis? Yeah, and you know what
you're about to go get a checkfor right time, and then uh then
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your next order after that, youknow, might be it's allegedly supposed to
be at least fifty to thirty fivepercent more of that like that again,
So another thirty thousand units didn't trinkledown so far, so you can kind
of like, but you're getting yourmoney pronto right this one. Uh and
that's because you were selling actual physicalcopies physical boom boom. Yeah, so
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as you transfer over to this digitalworld, take a little bit longer.
It's not even that they're not reallythey don't have to buy your album necessarily.
Hardcore fans would love to get yourhorror album. Yeah, yeah,
even if they still play it onthe thing. They just want to support.
Yeah, But for the most part, who who's determining what streamer is
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worth and how many streamers you gottahave to get one album? You see?
It's it's it's It doesn't feel intothe to the algorithms and some weird
ship. Yeah, all the differentways do you feel it? I don't
feel like it's as real though.I don't feel like it's I don't know.
It's kind of hard to say thatthat it is real when it pop
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it pop though, like when itgoes viraling poppy pop. But I don't
feel like it's as tangible and real, like it gonna. A lot of
the songs they make ain't gonna behere like you you dropped city to city.
It sounds like it just came outright right right. That's yeah,
that's a whole whole nother topic byreal. But no, like you say,
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like they got it to where youknow you can set set it up.
You set it up right, youknow you can. You can pretty
much buy your spins and run yournumbers up and get your like make it
look good. Yeah, to getyou know, to get the algorithm you
know, going the way it needsto go right, and then it takes
off from there. But the proofis in the pudding when like you want
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real fans to come out, andyeah, they all bots. They can't
move, They can't come out tothe show. The bots can't come out.
Bots can't. They ain't gonna yellfull on mind can't. Yeah,
like you know, it's crazy forreal. So we know a lot of
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rappers that fuck with you be whodo you funk with? So let me
ask you this way, who doyou funk with now? Versus when you
came up, who was your like, who was you trying to like either
out rap or beat or rap likeoh, or like who influenced you?
Oh yeah, okay, yeah,so I mean, of course, you
know, coming from the Bay areaat that time, never heard nothing like
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too short, right, So thatwas just like embedded than the DNA straight
up and so and then like beforethat, before you know, it was
more East Coast oriented in hip hop. But we used to listen to like
just Ice and you know, hardcoredudes like that. And then I mean,
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what's his name? Uh, steadyb Okay, so I let go,
okay, who else? Uh?You know, of course run DMC.
They was more like the first youknow, you know, hard dude
like that on that type of hikeoff time. But yeah, that's that's
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what we what we really got downwith and who I really listened to.
I was really a big DMC fan. And then of course you know when
n w A came out, itwas like okay, yeah they do.
So then we was always like wedebato. You know, it's it's it's
something about the Bay. The Bayhad this this mile the Bay guy like
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and you know, don't get mewrong, like even the the Oakland Phone,
it was just different from the Balallmob. It was still baseline and
oriented and stuff like that. Youknow, so it mixed, it messed
well, I'm saying, And that'sjust what we had came up off of
coming from Balil and you know beforethat, you know, we had compunctions
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and you know we've seen yeah,we've seen all that come through there,
so we all knew that. Youknow, it's possible to get on.
You know, Hammer came through,you know, Confunction Studio. We passed
them body there were all kind ofportious. Somebody here. We want to
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get it. We wanted to makeus a record. You know, we
knocked on the door. We knockedon the door and James early answer,
he was like, man, we'retrying to make a record, right.
That's when we made thought I couldtrust the girl and that Wow, I
wanted to ask you man, becauseI was younger around we all most of
us as millennial Chris Chris is Elli, but we was going at the click.
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Albums was hell of fun. Theywas just like I would just I
would just smile listening to them albumslike what was y'all? What was y'all
mad? Y'all must have been justfeeling y'allselves back there. We were definitely
in it. You know, wey'all was in it for show man.
You know what I'm saying, likewe the music that we made and what
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we was doing at that time,it all came from us. We didn't
have no record company, you knowwhat I'm saying. It wasn't We wasn't
signing nobody. So it's us.It's us, right, music, it's
us living in a lifestyle, it'sus. You know when you see the
colorsst you know, we was init and the ship. Yeah, just
reporting what we're doing and how wehow we how were living on a daily
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routine, you know what I'm saying. So, yeah, it was cool.
It was fun, you know whatI'm saying. It was like,
Okay, we get a chance totell our story and were from the Bay
and our story ain't like anybody else's. It was like that, it's all
it's all originals. So and wefigured out the way, you know what
I'm saying, that we could tellour story. And it's crazy because like
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we didn't. We didn't get onhere first. We got on like in
Texas. Oh yeah, that's right. They said you didn't like you didn't
get on in the Bay, right, that's sick. No, we we
you got on outside. Yeah,they were flying us out before debate even
knew what what we was, youknow, capable of. You know,
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we wasn't getting no radio play.The streets was was you know, they
were fucking with us. It wasbut for to get booked in concerts and
people that actually pay us money tocome down and stay. Like we had
James Prince flying us out, okay, hanging out. He wanted to sign
us, huh, suld Knight calledhim, wanted to wanted to get in
on on the h when Captain sableHole was out. And at the same
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time, you know, so itwas job and and a couple of other
majors. So we just went withjob. You like, being uh independent
more than being on the on thesign label. I guess it's kind of
different now versus then at the timeit was. It was it was appropriate
for what we did because we gota chance to eat independently, and then
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we structured our deals to where wewas staying there independent, still still getting
that independent money on top of thebells and whistles lit. Yeah, and
we was able to put Shelley Sealand Little Bros. And all these other
people out and Shelley Seal just recentlywent gold. It's going down to Night
album killing. Wow, that's sick. Just recently shout out to sell.
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I'm gonna have to get Celly sealOn his mother was there, man,
We had all the old producers downthere yesterday, Studio ton Ti, the
whole I was. I was like, Wow, I was messing rock.
I wanted the hotograph. That's what'sup hey man? Before we get you
out of here, Binger tell usabout the album once again. And I
also wanted to ask you if youcould pick one producer to work with.
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One producer. You can't pick noother, You can't pick nobody. You
got all the great producer you doneworked with, got chemistry with What producer
would you pick out all some ofthe ones you just named? I think
I would go with Rick Rock.Okay, yeah, Rick Rock. He
did the Uh that's smart. RickRock can make a beat out of anything
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too. That could be like,yeah, you'll take that and rough with
it. The album hard to beLegit album. Rick Rock did like I
think he did like four he didso and oh yeah, okay, yeah
he did in the National He dida song on there called bad Habit.
It was it was dope, LikeRick Rock was really really, really talented
you know he can make any kindof music too. Yeah, you know
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what I'm saying, He just youknow how to do it, and he's
he seasoned. He came up withinus, you know what I'm saying,
the whole whole thing, right thenhe branched out and did his own thing.
He just one of them people witha grit don't quit, right,
and you just stay at it.You just get you turned to a genius.
Kinds you a question real quick beforeyou let you go be little.
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Yeah, during the hyphe movement,trying to remember did you feel left out
in any type of way? Okay, So in the Heiphee movement, it
kind of kicked off around the sametime. Like I had just dropped the
album two thousand and five called BlockMovement, right right, I remember that,
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and like right after I dropped that, that's when like it kicked up.
Movement kicked up. Now. Thecraziest thing about that is Rick Rock
sent me that heide track to doa verse. I cat it. I
was I cat it off of yourfavorite producer. I think it was the
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remix of something like Yeah, itprobably was. It was a remix and
I didn't get on it. Butyou know, at the end of the
day, my lane was my music. You know what I'm saying, That's
that's where I fit in. That'sright, that's where that's where I live
at. Yeah. So I justI appreciate being me. It made it
so easy to be me to dowhat I do, then to try to
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fit in a movement that's that's goingon at that time, you know what
I'm saying. But I tapped inwith it. I got one. It
was like I think I got onGuda. Yeah it was. I did
a song with fab I did.I did. You did a couple of
them. I did a few songs, But I was just looking back.
I was like, man, belike you were there. I was there.
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Yeah, I'm not saying you feelexactly. I supported I supported the
happy movement. I was. Idon't know. I don't know if I
would have wanted to hear you offall them crazy sounded beas here. I
just want to hear you some.I just want to hear some ship like
that exactly. You know everything,Like I said, I wasn't knocking it
right. I know you're not knockingthe course they laying, you know what?
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And that's the beauty about music.You know, could it don't have
to be oh they like, youknow, Bear music. You can't put
us them and say no Bear musicbecause you know, like I said,
during the time we was out,even our quote unquote hip hop artist is
the cool and hieroglyphics and playing theAsian all, you know, for the
(48:00):
game. And I remember being outof town man and I was getting ready
to go to a concert and Iwas going to and it was I think
it was in Austin, Texas,and we passed by the venue and it
was lying around the corner and Iwas like, I was like, dangept
here. I thought it was myshow. It was hiro show. Wow.
Yeah, mine wasn't that deep show. It was lit. Yeah.
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I had a whole different respect forthe boys, you know what I'm saying,
because you know, when you getout there out the bay and see
what niggas is wearing and how moving, Yeah, you have a whole different
You have a whole year, youknow what I'm saying, and you'd be
like, oh ship you know theyreally really like even like in my beginning
days of going out, I usedto like important organ and I'll sneak into
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it. Andre Nikgotina show yeah,see how he had him under control and
man's doing all type of ship.I was like, man, I had
to just you know, bow down. Yeah, bro, you you you
the guy? Yeah, you arethe guy. Not because it be sometimes
people like they may not be yourLike I'm not saying I love Nicotine.
(49:06):
I'm just saying sometimes some people inthe hood. Everybody embraced Nicotina. But
when you see him outside of thebay and then the way he moving into
love that he gets it puts youlike god, damn god right seriously,
like for real, real, seriously, he didn't me right right straight up?
(49:29):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, hellyeah. Shout out to him for
real because I was talking to WillBronton somebody we both know. Shout out
to Will Bronson active Management. Hewas saying, like I was asking,
like, man, Will, likewhy do you think like too Short God
so much like love from like Biggiejay Z. He was like, Bro,
(49:49):
when they go out and they youknow, you on the road.
Now you're on the road, You'renot in New York. You with this
dude name too Short and he outhere in tim book to Kansas and it's
litten in this and he killing it. Then you're gonna be like, damn,
I respect him. And I waslike, well, you know,
Biggie like two short nine rapping likeBiggie. He was like that shit don't
matter. Bro. When you outthere on the road, you see somebody
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putting it down, see the loveand respects one get. It opens your
eyes. It opened your eyes,and then you look at it at motherfuck's
catalogs and seeing what kind of recordsthey so right and what they did it
with, how long they've been doingright shit Like Nigga, I only got
one one of our and two albums. This nigga got fifteen fifteen albums that
win gold or platinum, like like, oh shit, I looked at shorts,
(50:34):
my bag. I looked at shortslike first fifteen twenty albums, they
all win golder plant all of them, I swear to goun bro Man.
So thank you Belichit for having usmade. Oh before you go, tell
us about the album where they couldget it. That's the throw block music
too, Yes, sir, streamingeverywhere. You know what I'm saying.
You stream it, go to YouTube, check out the videos count. We
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dropped another one. We're getting readyto drop pocket the money. But the
one with Boosy, yeah right,and we're gonna drop the one with King
Sidle House on the heell for surely. You don't keep them coming, man,
It's just you know, it's anew game. It's about catalogs and
content, so you know that's that'swhat we're running now versus record sales.
So we're just gonna keep pushing.You still got the club, the Cannabis
(51:17):
Club, No, sir, Okay, give them time, Okay, for
sure, not in this climate.I got you, I understand man.
Yeah ahright, man, y'all besmoothing made. Don't forget wash your back
man, or have somebody else washit for you, please. There's Prince
Haaquem style. The Royal Peters isclean. It is juices and berries, right,
We're backing this motherfucker for another installmentof the Wash Your Back Podcast. We
got a special guest in this motherfuckerto night, a very special guest along
a friend of mine been rocking withfor many moves. Mane. We got
Bela shit the savage in this thingtonight. Y'all. Yes, what's up,
bro? How you doing it good? What's good? Hey man?
You reached out? He's like,Man, when do we get on the
(00:21):
podcast? Like, be let's go. I got you right now, Shelly
Man. This is the Washingback Podcast. I go by the name of film
Michael. We also got King saddlingthis thing as well. Somebody have been
north for then near eighteen twenty yearsalmost yeah, so sure, so we
got a thing. Let's make anoise. We got the thing that we
(00:44):
do. Oh here, this isthe washing Back Podcast. So we have
to ask all our guests. Didyou wash your back today? I didn't.
Oh shit, does somebody watching foryou? Bela Absolutely? Okay,
that's what's good. You always gotalways kicked a potty here by dadd sly
(01:04):
did you watch your back thoroughly?Okay? For sure. It's kind of
hard to, you know, getthose spots so you feeling somebody you know,
you know, do it for you, massage it out. Yeah,
yeah, wax. Make sure thatyou know thoroughly you know, wax thoroughly
washed. So we got be legitatethe billy ben uh, billy, you're
(01:25):
looking good, brother, Look atyou. Look at six' five niggas
on no be legit like six'five are part of here. Man,
I'm about six fold but you know, yeah sixfold, yes, sir,
Yeah you've been Uh are you stillon your vegetarian? I ain't seafood now?
But okay, well in twenty seventeen, I went, uh yeah,
(01:45):
vegetarian big into whatever they want tocall. I just started eating the meat
right and then uh like probably abouttwenty nineteen, maybe twenty maybe, yeah,
twenty twenty twenty I started incorporated seafoodback on my die. Okay.
Couldn't stay away, yeah, Imean you know I didn't want to fly
away either, you know, Iwanted to hold on right right right?
(02:10):
You was looking too light? Yeah, they thought something was wrong, now,
but man, you you was,you said, I think at the
Yo. I seen some old pictures, bro. I think you was in
Murder Dog. You had to beat least three fifty definitely right. That
was my peak. That was thatwas that was Hillside Hog for Shure for
(02:30):
sure. Hey, so uh yougot a new album being been pushing it
throw block music too, Yeah,ad a boy, Yeah for sure.
I hit you when you dropped it, man, sidle you all up on
that thing, Shine. I toldbe, I'm like man shot on there.
He sounded crazy. Was killing thehoogs, killing the versus man bela
(02:50):
teller. Tell the people about thealbum and the project. Yeah, so
you know, and the concept okayyah, being that week going back to
the fifty years ago pop, itwas actually thirty years since my first single
release trying to get a buck.So I wanted to make some music that
surrounded that sound, that nostalgic soundof like eighty eight. Actually that's when
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our first MVP album came out.Okay, that was thirty five years wow,
so shit. You know, Nigga'sbeen on the grind shot a long
long time. But that nostalgic music, you know, that was the original
Bay Area sound that you know,we came up off of and that we
kind of brought to the game andthe table, and I just wanted to
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bring that back that element back becauseyou know hip hop and you know music,
it evolves. Yes, you knowwhat I'm saying. You had you
know, the hyphie music, andit just keeps going and different things come
on. But that was the yellowbrick roll for me, okay. And
what it was about was, youknow, it was de boy music.
You know in the Bay Area.You know at that time, everybody was
hustling and the soundtrack for hustling waswas the ad a D Boy off Top,
(04:01):
off Top. So that's what Itried to bring back. Dang,
you definitely brought that back, notjust with the beats, but with like
the song concepts, you know,the lyrics and ship and definitely, like
you know, it was more like, you know, it has a feel
I feel that's right. You knowwhat I'm saying. You got to get
back to the melodic hooks, youknow what I'm saying, Just things that
(04:24):
make you feel the music versus That'swhat music is to me. It is
a vibe, you know what Imean. We tried to make that a
whole eighty eight D Boy vibe.Got you got you talk about who are
some of the producers that you workedwith on this album? And uh,
talk about like just working with newproducers. Man. So with me,
(04:46):
it's just my ear. Yeah,it's like it's what I hear, and
what I hear is like I sayin that when I'm in that mode,
you know, I'm looking for,you know, basslines, I'm looking for
old schools, right, you knowwhat I'm saying. You know what I'm
saying. Uh, And it don'tmatter who do it. It's just if
I hear it, I like it. So a couple of producers that that
(05:10):
went back in the bag for me, you know, of course Rick Rock,
you know what I'm saying. ButI wasn't got this dude named by
the name of Sticks shout Out OneTime Fix in the mix, and he
came. He came with the titletrack ady a d Boy. And then
uh, I had this guy fromKansas City JPZ. He did the song
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pocket Full of Money with Young DolphinBoosy. We're gonna dropped that video,
okay, except too. And thenI mean, you know, just anybody
that really had a you know,that sound that you're looking for. I
was looking for it caught my earso and I did some tracks that that's
getting ready to come out that didn'tmake it out but still on that vibe.
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You know what I'm saying That Mechanicsdid a couple of them. Yeah,
And like I said, it's justlike this guy hit me up.
Like one of the last songs onthe album was count he from Detroit named
Big Slim okay, and he shotit to me and I was like,
you know what, I like thiswent in there and you know, hooked
it up for Shelley shouts the Slimshout to Detroit. Tell tell the people
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about your relationship and how how muchyou fuck with Detroit and vice versus Detroit
fuck with Beeler. I'm a startby saying I got five five sisters in
Detroit and live in Detroit that beenliving there. Wow. Oh okay,
you know on my father's side.Okay, got you yeah, So but
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really like I got introduced uh intouh Detroit by my man Yacht and rest
in peacet But Yacht was the CEOof Street Lords okay, Shuttle Boys yeah,
and blade Icewood Okay. So hecalled me down there to do a
track. Okay. I went downthere, did the track, and then
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they called me back to come tothe video. I landed out there in
ninety eight, and man, onceI got there in ninety eight, I
felt like it was eighty eight inthe Bay Area. Oh shit. I
mean just the way that they wassmoothing now they was it was still cool
that everybody still love each other causeokay, they was getting money, you
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know what I'm saying. And itwas just everything that you know, everything
that that that we was on.You know that we were so similar,
you know what I'm saying, thelifestyle. But for us it had changed.
You know, a lot of killinghad started for them. Even though
the killing started, it wasn't tothe extent where it was for us.
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So I was able to go backthere and tell the may in about five
years, this dude gonna tell onhim like when it happened. They say,
oh, man, you jinxed us, you jinx us. But no,
I just like, you know,you've seen it. Yeah, I've
seen it. But man, wehad some fun. I met a lot
of cool people and we did therap thing. We did it all.
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So I just been there since then. I mean, like from ninety eight
to like now. I mean I'dbe talking to people when they was like,
man, you ain't from Detroit becauseright the twenties and I'd have been
over in there. They grew upseeing me running through there hanging out.
I thought, over from Detroit,that's crazy. You say you could see
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it? You can kind of ohman, they going back door? But
like musically, did you see likethey kind of like how they kind of
high right now? Did you seethere? And a lot of Detroit niggas
don't talk about rapping and hustling,So did you kind of like see that
I was? Did you foresee thatI was with the hottest dude in Detroit?
Okay, blade Icewood, got you? I did records with him,
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off the top, they called me. They opened my eyes up to it.
Okay, got you? And theyhad an album called It's on TikTok
and that's the album that we're I'monly like about three or four songs on
that album. Okay, Sure Iwas with that movement. Yeah, you
know what I'm saying. I'm like, okay, you know, yeah,
you know, I'm we connected,you know what I'm saying. And I
was dealing with them and doing songs, and then they got the East Side
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Chellar Boys, and a whole wholelot of things happened, and you know,
then you know, Blade got killed, White Out got killed, and
just a lot of things that I'veseen that already happen in in Bay Area
or just in life in general.Right, you know what I'm saying.
You know, everybody cool at once, the North gonna funk with the South,
and the South gonna funk with theWest, you know, and you
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get all that type of ship andthey was in a good space and then
it happened got you. But youknow, uh, let me ask you
this, Bela, because you alwaysin the studio, you stay working,
been in a game, like yousaid, more than the thirty five years,
and you steal your work. Ethicis crazy. What do be Legit
need when you going to the studio? What's your what's your you feel me
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what you need? What's your prep? Do you eat before you order some
food? It'd be about it.Be about it if I go to the
candy shop, the candy shop,Yeah, I gotta go get me some
flavors, right, Okay, letme know certain flavors of the smoke.
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If it's if it tickled my fancyYeah, it's gonna it's gonna click.
Just said tickle my fancy mob ship. Bitch straight up nigga and if if,
if it do it. You knowwhat I'm saying, it's gonna it's
gonna click on the creative mode,got you. And the thing is,
I got a studio in my houseand that's where I really hang out at.
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That's like where I can get mysmoke on and free think and everything.
So and my mic is set upjust like this, So okay,
looking at the computer, Yeah,hop something on and come on, I
just start playing with it and thenI'll funk around to get into it.
But it's just you know, yougotta be in that creative mode. What's
your favorite type of weed? It'sjust it's just whatever. I can't have
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just one, like okay for me, I get bored if somebody like even
when people give me weed, likewhen I go to the uh little shops
or whatever and they like give mefree weed. I only like them to
give me like an eighth or two, you know, two bags each.
Yeah, I go home, spreadit out. You can give me a
q people just give me a QPa whole bunch of different weed, you
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know what I'm saying. So Ican go through it and like, oh
I feel like this, I'm gonnasmoke a joint. There's something smoke a
joint that go see the movie.Oh it's a real ship, bro,
you don't know hobbity ties. Peopleare saying, Man, I've seen bel
of Shit and I'm smoke I'll smokedwith. I smoke bell of hit out.
How does that feel to be likeeverybody favorite person to like smoke with.
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They see you, they be like, and even know, what does
they tell me based on your look? You look like you hella meane and
ship put you the coolest digger outfor real? For real? Man,
listen, you probably got smoked outso many times. I was always told,
like, you know, you know, listen to anybody. Really,
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they can find a message through anybodygot you, So I don't really pass
nobody up, you know. Sothey'd be like, you know, let
me and they're like, hey,man, be legit, I want you
to try this right, Like Imight not want to try it then,
but like, all right here,let me check it out. And then
I mess around and get home andsmoke it. And it was some of
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the best like I ever had orwhatever. And I call Sidle, Hey,
hey, you remember that dude.They gave me that leave you remember
remember where we know him from whatCliff week was we at right, Yeah,
so you know what I'm saying,it's just like you never know what
you're gonna get and and you know, just whatever the case may be,
give me some very important people.Some people be like, just like,
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I ain't trying to like I ain'ttrying to pose on you or nothing.
But you know, I got allus over here. I just want you
to try a little bit right man. You know, he straight up let
me people be thinking you offending themby giving him like, man, I'm
trying to keep some we it's allgood. Please here. I just make
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sure that it's some fire got youknow, straight up, you don't we
trying to lace this ship either up. We got be legit here based to
wash it back podcast We Got Kicks. Sidle In a Billy King said,
don introduce yourself, tell the peoplewhat you do, what you've been doing,
telling our cameo story about your boyall that good ship real quick?
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Yeah yeah, film more mic.He led a mic. You know what
I mean, that's one thing that'sright. Let him know. I'm like,
this is my turn on you knowwhat I'm saying. Yeah, but
uh yeah, we have some goodtimes back then. You know what I'm
saying. We got a chance tobond and because of men, you know
what I mean, in this gameand Kase Siddle's a record producer, rapper,
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writer, songwriter, he's a hostas well himself. He be doing
ship for Emerald cupping all that ship. My bad cousins. I had to
cut you off, you know whatI'm saying. You let them know facts,
you know what I mean. Soyeah, just a long time in
it, long time coming, andyou know it's just an appreciation, you
know what I mean. You know, us being in the game so long,
you know what I mean. Butyou got to learn to love it
and learn and appreciate it and learnto want to keep doing it right,
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you know what I mean. Ifyou don't have no purpose, you know,
fuck are we doing? Yeah?Are you doing? Nah? Because
oh some real ship. You wasdoing your thing and we kind of like
wasn't really you know, we willsee each other Facebook, Instagram, whatever
it was. I don't know whatit was back then. But then I
see you start working with Beela.How did y'all kind of like link up?
Man? We was supposed to linkup years ago? Okay, and
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uh, I had some shorts onetime, short. I was going to
uh no, no, no,okay, some shorts like pants pants brand
new pants. I was going todo some shows in Texas. Okay.
So we end up in Texas anduh, where was that? Uh?
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I forget what? But it wasa water burger. Okay. We get
there and my phone is not inmy pocket. Digging it, I'm like,
you know, but that was thephone that had beling numbering. Oh
man. So maybe fast forward tolike maybe five years from that point,
I see him at the club atthe Holy Cow. He was at event
and you know what I'm saying,ran into him, you know what I
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mean? And then I hit him. A couple of weeks later, I
was like, where you at?I know, I mean you in the
area somewhere where I'm you know whereyou at? He was like, I
was waiting on you right and thenyep, I was like can you smoke
over there? He's like to youpop straight up. I brought my keyboard,
I was bought a car, wentover there and we've been on ever
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since. Man. It was oneof them one of those people that you
know when you when you meet him, you're like you know you're not sure,
but you know he's somebody. Yeah, you know. Way his presence
was yep, he was just standingup kind of tall, like man,
that's that's that dude right there,He's somebody like right, it was another
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title. I remember that, right, So it kind of like about him,
know the name. I had heardthe name, but when I seen
him that day, like like wesaid in the Holy Cow and then we
hooked up at the yeah, cameto the studio and we started doing music.
I was like, Okay, definitelythat's a difference. And the thing
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is you're both humble, You're bothlove of work side of the type of
nigga. He he gonna steal yourlot, bro, I got this.
Let's let let's try that. Sothat's a beautiful thing. Like like you
said, I'm glad y'all got achance to to to link up and uh,
you know, make it happen.Uh you do beats on this album,
right, don't you got a coupleon this album. I will be
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returning to production real soon. Iwent on the hiatus with the production.
You know what I'm saying. Youknow, I miss it, you know,
so I want to get back toit. But I was going heavy
with the production. I got alot of production on a lot of projects.
But you know, it's been awhile, but in that time,
I got better with songwriting and hookwriting. Yeah that's what you was doing
your thing on that album. Bro, just real quick, because you tell
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the story better than me. Soyour boy shout out to Rich Rocker back
in the day on his first album. Sider was on the album Real Quick.
Before we get back to you,Bela, Sider was on the album.
I pulled up. I think yourboy called me or Rich Rocker call
I mean the same person you calledme, or Rich Rocker called me something.
He was like, Bro, wegotta come down here. You gotta
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hear this, Bro, you gottahear this. Went down there you played
the like the rest draft version offrom the Turf of the Club. We
thought we had a hit. Wethought we had was now. That was
a great song, don't get mewrong. But the thing that was sick
was we got it on It wason radio like we got a mixed master.
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It was on radio like like twoweeks, like a week later.
I swear to god, I pulledup. Matter of fact, I let
Dj black Mark here. He thoughtthat he was like, b this ship
slap. I went to City College. We was playing it that City College,
like two days after y'all have recordedthe song. You always tell that
story though. I love. Ilove when you tell that story. Yeah.
Man, it's just the timing ofit. You know what I mean
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to your grandma house. Yeah,e Pa was in East Bay. Okay,
okay, I remember we got apicture in front an undisclosed location.
You did. We were somewhere inthe tunnel and uh. He called me.
He's like, man, I needa beat, you know what I
mean? And you was just alwaysready to work, but at this time
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I would always go, you know, to that area. You know what
I mean. I'm like, youknow, pull up on me. And
he was like nah. He waslike all right, all right, right,
came out there, went through somebeas and when he heard it,
he jumped up. You know whatI mean, told me this, you
know, add some changes to it, and we wrote that song right and
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then you know, then he calledyou the next morning. That's right,
we went to there. B y'allwas on. Y'all was on home turf.
Literally, it's still we still gothome turf. Y'all's on home turf
literally like the next week, bro, right, So salute to you may
and working hard, standing, diligent. Yeah, absolutely, But at that
time, you know, you know, the head swelled, you know what
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I mean. So it happened sofast that the appreciation went away so fast,
you know what I mean. Butthen when the light go away,
you know what I mean, andyou're like, how do I get back
there? You know what I'm saying. So you know, you go through
your humble phase or whatnot, youknow what I'm saying, and elevate and
you know, being under this brotherright here, you know he polished a
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lot of that, right right right? What if what is the most?
What if you learned the most frombe legit from bela perseverance, you know,
and you know, don't rush it, you know, come out with
it when it's time, you know, like you know on rush time,
and you know when it's your time, it's your time. Everybody has different
time. When you say time ordon't rush it? Do you mean like
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you know sometimes people like it seemslike they just putting out records just to
put out records, right, youknow what I'm saying, Like, bro,
Like, like do you mean likeyou're just taking your time like you're
trying to write look for your moment, or you just you know, just
being you know. I heard LarryJune say sometimes I do one I do
a versus that I may do anad lib a day, like I'm not
rushing nothing. I mean that whatyou mean by when you say don't rush.
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Now the time to find your purpose, Okay, thank you and why
you're doing it, and that,you know, helps the creativity and the
whole phase of gotcha, the pictureof what you're trying to paint. People
don't know the people the picture you'retrying to paint. They don't know the
brush you're using. They don't knowthe thought process, so they don't know
how to identify with someone who theydon't even know how they work, how
to think, you know, Sowhen they have a purpose for it,
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the love for it, they couldsee that, Oh okay, let me
know. Niggas will get deep onthis this I like that. So watcher
Back Podcast makes film on Mike andthis thing sitting here with Belegit the Savage
Bela. One of the things that'scrazy about you. It's a lot of
rappers from the Bay Area. Rightwhen you go outside the Bay Area.
One of the most consistent names youhear is about people loving be Legit as
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a rapper. Can you tell itbecause I know for a fact Jeezi loves
you. He like Belait my favoriterapper from I've heard it so many times
working at this at the studio atthe came Yelle just talk about like your
influence on like And I know it'sgood to have influence with somebody from the
Bay but it gotta be feeling goodwhen you have the number one rapper at
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the time, say Belagit is myfavorite rapper, one of my favorite rappers
and my favorite, absolutely favorite rapperfrom the Bay Area. Right, I
mean, you know it's cool,that's what you want your yeah, yo
yo, you know fruit to yourlabor yea from your people's here's people that's
you know, on top of theirgame. And they'll tell you. You
know, they come tell me likeBoosy, right, you know, the
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real real niggas in the game.And let you know, man, I
grew up on your ship, rightand you know you got me through this
and wool that's all we did.You know what I'm saying. They just
keep it real with them up.You know what I mean, And that's
what it was. That's and thatmusic was for those people. You know
what I'm saying. It reached them. You know what I'm saying, They
had it had that reach. Sothat's that's what. That's just cool.
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That feel cool, like you know, that's definitely, that's that's your flowers
roses for the show. Definitely.Another question I got, uh is concerning
your cousin y'all eat fortyse cousins,right, okay for the shore? Do
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is it? Do you? Isit a friendly rivalry? Do you try
to? Like? For me,I'm a competitor and I know y'all cousins,
but it's like, do you likewhen y'all be writing rhymes? Like
when y'all wrote Sideways? Was itlike was y'all kind of like competing in
a good way? Not not likeyou wanted to hate, but it was
like trying to you know you rappit. It's always friendly competition, yes,
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sir, it's always friendly competition.Like you know if ooh, you
came hard, Okay, I gotthat's who I can't it's gonna make you
say, well, it's it's afew people I don't like writing with because
like you know, in this musicgame, especially like you know, during
the times of like being in Hollywoodand just moving moving through it, you're
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gonna have people be like, hey, come to the studio, come on,
come on, let's go to thestudio. Let's go hop on something.
And it's just a couple of peoplethat when I write, one of
them like I just don't look aboutit. They're gonna make me work.
They're gonna make me work hard.Like yuck Mouth is one of them,
Okay, yuck Mouth and and RichRich too, okay, because they so
precise with their writing. They rightclean and ain't ain't no words wasted,
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right, you know what I'm saying. A lot of people be mumbo jumbo
and they be like, nah,they come off clean, they hit their
spots, they hit they it's allthe right ship. So I'll be like,
damn, this is just a littleverse that we're doing for somebody else.
You could have came in and outright now, y'all making me write
and think. But it's cool.You know, that's that's still sharpness still
right right, keep your keep yourtools sharp, and you want to do
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that. You know, back inthe days we rush to go get whoever
album was coming out. Yeah,yeah, they coming who produce? What
seeing what it was? Oh,that's that's tight, you know, because
it's gonna make you want to gointo the studio. Because a good rapper
and good music that you fuck withgonna make you want to go rap it
make you some good ship too.So we waiting, Oh this ship came
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out. Oh that's hot. I'mawait of the lab right straight up,
straight up. That's just how itwent. I see you doing your thing
at the Juvenile twenty fifth anniversary show. Yeah, most definitely that. I
was sick. B Yeah, youcame out, like I said, look
at six five six six mob ship, bitch. You did the other sideway
that you went into the city.The city of course the boy shout out
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to the boy, Yeah, shoutto the boy dad, you know the
boy. Dan used to work heretoo. Yeah. Yeah. He called
me and said, you know,you know, I want to bring you
out, like all right, let'sget it right. So yeah, he
called me and we just did it, you know show. We had seen
Julie like two weeks prior to that, uh down there Sacramento, okay,
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and he was like, yeah,please go through man. Like support right,
putting on you know, putting onhis own own gigs for sure,
getting to that bad all right,right right, right, right right.
You're still doing shows in pine Bluff, Arkansas. I ain't been to Pine
Bluff bad. I definitely definitely uhnow town. He'd be outside. Yeah,
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you know, you know, Iget around straight up. Man.
They called him him coming hell yeara film and Mike on to Wash Your
Back podcast. We got the legendits savage be legit in this motherfucker uh
Fody so Fordy just got the uhthe was it fody way way? That
was yesterday? I know, yeahthat was beautiful. Had the mayor out
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there, had uh all the citycouncil. I know, you got to
be proud. Yeah, man,it was it was like it was what
they say, it's surreal moment.We did it right in front of the
thirteen hunting block Magazine Street. Thinkingabout it, that's sick man. We
was. We was in the frontyard. We was just you know,
fucking around and one of the dudes, you know, he was showing his
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house and we looked at it andit was it was another bullet hole.
Still some bullet holes, but theywasn't from when we was there some fresh
ones like having right, there wasn'tno throw back the bullets. It was
some new bullets generation Z. Yeah. I'm like they're still still popping off
around this right straight a goud uh. A question I have for you is
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tell us about the recording process whenyou first started versus now. Okay.
It's like for my boys to tellme, like, bro, we have
they used to to be whining andshose. Well, I'm like, listen,
So I try to tell people.You know, our first record I
just posted today was a twelve inchesMaxi single. Oh wow, you know
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that's just how it was produced,how it came out. Yeah, he
was going to get viny on first, right, and then we went into
the cassettes. Right, you knowwhat I'm saying in the CDs. But
at that time that's who we wason the Maxi single. So when you
record, you can go record ona quarter inch, record on a half
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inch or you know, four inch, and the bigger, the the real
the more it costs. Oh shit, but the higher quality. Okay,
got you. But if you recording, you recording like say you're recording on
the cord ends, when you messup, you got to you gotta start
over or something. Man. Nowthey explice it like you get you know,
you take the part where you okay, got you cut the real and
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record on this other port. Okay, it's damn used to have the table,
no digital, all down near allanalog, like you all analog.
You do it all yourself. Yougotta do it all yourself. So back
then, you know you really knewyour lyrics because you know you ain't.
You're not trying to mess up andhave to do it over, right.
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You rehears it, Yeah, yourehearsing right, and you get it down.
And and then when you take that, you might take that and get
to the bigger studio and bounce thatdown to a bigger reel for the mix.
You know what I'm saying. Butit was real, you know what
I'm saying. That's where with allthe masters was kept on. Okay,
now you know what I'm saying.With this new wage technology, the computers
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said, you don't even need Imean, you used to go to the
studio and you would judge the studioon how big the board was. Okay
board they had that's the big studio, right, But now it don't even
matter that shit, don't matter abouthow big the board unless you unless you
just like an engineer or like justa freak with a good ear and you
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understand what you're hearing. They understanda digital sound versus an analog and you
know the fact the warmth of themusic, and that's some people like that,
you know, like that quality sound. But for the most part,
in this digital age, they justthey're not even mixing songs, do you.
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Black Sea? We had black seeinghere in Black Sea. I was
I was noticing like he seemed likehe like an ri is all all his
projects. You also seem like youkind of are very because I plus I
see you in the studios. You'revery hands on with all of your projects.
Do you handle that? Do you? And are most of your projects
set it up? Songs? Allthat shit? I treat a project like
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writing a report order or writing abook, and get the title of first,
and then I make everything like chaptersoutline. Okay, gotcha, you
know what I'm saying. So everything, all the songs are gonna relate to
the title of the of the album. Gotcha, you know what I mean?
And try to stick to that format. That's why some songs don't make
the album because it's a nice song, but they don't fit the album.
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It's a vibe right here, thisis this is all you know, a
certain vibe and this is a differentvibe, but it don't go there,
right That's what you know, versusjust making songs. You know what I'm
saying, I could, you can, you can make it. I can
make a twenty song album. Weused to do that all the time,
you know, but twenty twenty twosongs. But do it all. We
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come from the air, you know, fast forward and rewinding cassette tapes could
cause you some problems. Second thedeck, you gotta pop it out.
So tried to make music to whereyou didn't have to you didn't have to
skip from nothing in and play andhopefully hopefully you had out reverse and it
(31:21):
just turned over and play the otherside. No fillers, no songs,
you know, just gonna take youon that. Hey you're gonna go on
an hour ride. Okay, wegot something for you here, but definitely
and just roll yes. So,and that's that's being an artist versus just
being a rapper, you know whatI mean. There is a difference.
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It's people who are more concerned aboutthe art of the music. And it
should be like a picture. Youknow what I'm saying. When you know,
when the uh, the finished product, it's a piece of art.
It should be like that that whenyou delivered. It should be a piece
of art. It should tell astory straight up. That's sick your fans
(32:08):
when you talk to your fans orI don't know if you ask them,
but what do they like most aboutbe legit when they talk to you.
I think just the fact that theycan talk to me. Okay, that's
some real ship though. Yeah,you're very approachable. Yeah, and you
know it's all of them. Ihave a story, you know, Like
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I said, a lot of alot of people that I've talked to,
Man, I did. I didten years over here. You know,
I was going through something man inyour music ghetto smile, you know,
it brought me through the off time, you know, and this and that
and and then a lot of peoplegot memories of what kind of life they
was living at that time, youknow, right, and this was the
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soundtrack. Man. Oh yeah,me and my girls used to get dressed.
We just go over here and dothis, right, and you know
it was happy moments in their life. Yeah, they like to share that
with me, and I like thatfor sure. I bet, I bet
I love to see because y'all behell aroanda with Like sometimes you'll pop up
on forty and like like I wasin Seattle right and you had pulled up.
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I'm like, oh ship, butthen you wasn't in Portland. You
didn't go to the next city.But I was like, man, I
remember that. It'll be sometimes likeI might have a show like two cities
over yeah, and I got adate off and he over here, go
hop on and do something with himthat's hard and pop out and go do
do what I gotta do. That'ssick. You know. If I'm around
(33:35):
here, I'm definitely gonna come,you know, but if I'm nothing to
gets h D Shot or whoever bethe hype of forty, but it ain't.
It ain't the same. Man,when you you hearing, you feel
me be legit and forty I loveD Shot or I'm not D Shot.
That's amazing, amazy, my bad, big old easy, but the same.
(33:58):
It's written this stone, you knowabout that that one two combo right
the way you know we started out, you know, like it was peanut
Butter and Jelly. So it's justlike you know, Kobe and Shack.
Yeah, yeah, it's just thedynamic duos. So I'm gonna put you
on the spot about dynamic duos.Yeah, name some some some of your
(34:19):
favorite dynamic duos besides yourself and misterforty water. As far as like rappers,
like rappers like Nas and a zor Jade Kiss and styles. Py
gonna say, Ja Stoles p uhhuh e p m d oh that's a
good one. Run DMC. Imean you know Sid, I mean you
(34:43):
know it was when I came up. Yeah, it was rap groups.
Okay, right, that's true.A lot more. It was more.
It was a lot of rap groups. You had a few solo artists every
now and then, but it waslike cruise click right, That's why it
was called the click that so getit. So it was certain people hang
(35:04):
out, they wrapped together. Thatwas hip hop, right, And it
was some certain people you know,uh, let me see nor Yeg and
Copona nor Yega you're seeing in Yeah, they was tight. It was a
lot though, you know what I'msaying. There was a lot of a
lot of different groups back then.Does and effects you know, what I'm
(35:28):
saying just hip hop, you knowwhat I mean. And you know it
was a cool place. A lotof uh, a lot of connections was
made, a lot of people collaboratedwith each other. It was just,
you know, good way of knowingeach other. How about this, what's
the biggest difference between like for yourself? Uh, like the rap the rap
(35:53):
game now versus the like the likethe rap game now versus then for yourself?
Oh shure, that's easy. That'sit's just you just following the money,
like you know, okay me No, back then, you know it
was it was harder to get moneywas easier, easier, okay, easier
(36:14):
got you. It was more likebecause we was independent. So it's like,
you know, you get pre orders, you kind of knew, you
know what your pre order is goingto be, right, So, like
you if you got pre orders tosay fifty thousand units, you know,
fifty thousand times ten dollars what thatis? Yeah, and you know what
you're about to go get a checkfor right time, and then uh then
(36:37):
your next order after that, youknow, might be it's allegedly supposed to
be at least fifty to thirty fivepercent more of that like that again,
So another thirty thousand units didn't trinkledown so far, so you can kind
of like, but you're getting yourmoney pronto right this one. Uh and
that's because you were selling actual physicalcopies physical boom boom. Yeah, so
(37:01):
as you transfer over to this digitalworld, take a little bit longer.
It's not even that they're not reallythey don't have to buy your album necessarily.
Hardcore fans would love to get yourhorror album. Yeah, yeah,
even if they still play it onthe thing. They just want to support.
Yeah, But for the most part, who who's determining what streamer is
(37:28):
worth and how many streamers you gottahave to get one album? You see?
It's it's it's It doesn't feel intothe to the algorithms and some weird
ship. Yeah, all the differentways do you feel it? I don't
feel like it's as real though.I don't feel like it's I don't know.
It's kind of hard to say thatthat it is real when it pop
(37:51):
it pop though, like when itgoes viraling poppy pop. But I don't
feel like it's as tangible and real, like it gonna. A lot of
the songs they make ain't gonna behere like you you dropped city to city.
It sounds like it just came outright right right. That's yeah,
that's a whole whole nother topic byreal. But no, like you say,
(38:12):
like they got it to where youknow you can set set it up.
You set it up right, youknow you can. You can pretty
much buy your spins and run yournumbers up and get your like make it
look good. Yeah, to getyou know, to get the algorithm you
know, going the way it needsto go right, and then it takes
off from there. But the proofis in the pudding when like you want
(38:37):
real fans to come out, andyeah, they all bots. They can't
move, They can't come out tothe show. The bots can't come out.
Bots can't. They ain't gonna yellfull on mind can't. Yeah,
like you know, it's crazy forreal. So we know a lot of
(38:58):
rappers that fuck with you be whodo you funk with? So let me
ask you this way, who doyou funk with now? Versus when you
came up, who was your like, who was you trying to like either
out rap or beat or rap likeoh, or like who influenced you?
Oh yeah, okay, yeah,so I mean, of course, you
know, coming from the Bay areaat that time, never heard nothing like
(39:21):
too short, right, So thatwas just like embedded than the DNA straight
up and so and then like beforethat, before you know, it was
more East Coast oriented in hip hop. But we used to listen to like
just Ice and you know, hardcoredudes like that. And then I mean,
(39:46):
what's his name? Uh, steadyb Okay, so I let go,
okay, who else? Uh?You know, of course run DMC.
They was more like the first youknow, you know, hard dude
like that on that type of hikeoff time. But yeah, that's that's
(40:07):
what we what we really got downwith and who I really listened to.
I was really a big DMC fan. And then of course you know when
n w A came out, itwas like okay, yeah they do.
So then we was always like wedebato. You know, it's it's it's
something about the Bay. The Bayhad this this mile the Bay guy like
(40:30):
and you know, don't get mewrong, like even the the Oakland Phone,
it was just different from the Balallmob. It was still baseline and
oriented and stuff like that. Youknow, so it mixed, it messed
well, I'm saying, And that'sjust what we had came up off of
coming from Balil and you know beforethat, you know, we had compunctions
(40:53):
and you know we've seen yeah,we've seen all that come through there,
so we all knew that. Youknow, it's possible to get on.
You know, Hammer came through,you know, Confunction Studio. We passed
them body there were all kind ofportious. Somebody here. We want to
(41:13):
get it. We wanted to makeus a record. You know, we
knocked on the door. We knockedon the door and James early answer,
he was like, man, we'retrying to make a record, right.
That's when we made thought I couldtrust the girl and that Wow, I
wanted to ask you man, becauseI was younger around we all most of
us as millennial Chris Chris is Elli, but we was going at the click.
(41:36):
Albums was hell of fun. Theywas just like I would just I
would just smile listening to them albumslike what was y'all? What was y'all
mad? Y'all must have been justfeeling y'allselves back there. We were definitely
in it. You know, wey'all was in it for show man.
You know what I'm saying, likewe the music that we made and what
(41:59):
we was doing at that time,it all came from us. We didn't
have no record company, you knowwhat I'm saying. It wasn't We wasn't
signing nobody. So it's us.It's us, right, music, it's
us living in a lifestyle, it'sus. You know when you see the
colorsst you know, we was init and the ship. Yeah, just
reporting what we're doing and how wehow we how were living on a daily
(42:22):
routine, you know what I'm saying. So, yeah, it was cool.
It was fun, you know whatI'm saying. It was like,
Okay, we get a chance totell our story and were from the Bay
and our story ain't like anybody else's. It was like that, it's all
it's all originals. So and wefigured out the way, you know what
I'm saying, that we could tellour story. And it's crazy because like
(42:43):
we didn't. We didn't get onhere first. We got on like in
Texas. Oh yeah, that's right. They said you didn't like you didn't
get on in the Bay, right, that's sick. No, we we
you got on outside. Yeah,they were flying us out before debate even
knew what what we was, youknow, capable of. You know,
(43:06):
we wasn't getting no radio play.The streets was was you know, they
were fucking with us. It wasbut for to get booked in concerts and
people that actually pay us money tocome down and stay. Like we had
James Prince flying us out, okay, hanging out. He wanted to sign
us, huh, suld Knight calledhim, wanted to wanted to get in
on on the h when Captain sableHole was out. And at the same
(43:30):
time, you know, so itwas job and and a couple of other
majors. So we just went withjob. You like, being uh independent
more than being on the on thesign label. I guess it's kind of
different now versus then at the timeit was. It was it was appropriate
for what we did because we gota chance to eat independently, and then
(43:51):
we structured our deals to where wewas staying there independent, still still getting
that independent money on top of thebells and whistles lit. Yeah, and
we was able to put Shelley Sealand Little Bros. And all these other
people out and Shelley Seal just recentlywent gold. It's going down to Night
album killing. Wow, that's sick. Just recently shout out to sell.
(44:15):
I'm gonna have to get Celly sealOn his mother was there, man,
We had all the old producers downthere yesterday, Studio ton Ti, the
whole I was. I was like, Wow, I was messing rock.
I wanted the hotograph. That's what'sup hey man? Before we get you
out of here, Binger tell usabout the album once again. And I
also wanted to ask you if youcould pick one producer to work with.
(44:40):
One producer. You can't pick noother, You can't pick nobody. You
got all the great producer you doneworked with, got chemistry with What producer
would you pick out all some ofthe ones you just named? I think
I would go with Rick Rock.Okay, yeah, Rick Rock. He
did the Uh that's smart. RickRock can make a beat out of anything
(45:02):
too. That could be like,yeah, you'll take that and rough with
it. The album hard to beLegit album. Rick Rock did like I
think he did like four he didso and oh yeah, okay, yeah
he did in the National He dida song on there called bad Habit.
It was it was dope, LikeRick Rock was really really, really talented
you know he can make any kindof music too. Yeah, you know
(45:24):
what I'm saying, He just youknow how to do it, and he's
he seasoned. He came up withinus, you know what I'm saying,
the whole whole thing, right thenhe branched out and did his own thing.
He just one of them people witha grit don't quit, right,
and you just stay at it.You just get you turned to a genius.
Kinds you a question real quick beforeyou let you go be little.
(45:45):
Yeah, during the hyphe movement,trying to remember did you feel left out
in any type of way? Okay, So in the Heiphee movement, it
kind of kicked off around the sametime. Like I had just dropped the
album two thousand and five called BlockMovement, right right, I remember that,
(46:07):
and like right after I dropped that, that's when like it kicked up.
Movement kicked up. Now. Thecraziest thing about that is Rick Rock
sent me that heide track to doa verse. I cat it. I
was I cat it off of yourfavorite producer. I think it was the
(46:28):
remix of something like Yeah, itprobably was. It was a remix and
I didn't get on it. Butyou know, at the end of the
day, my lane was my music. You know what I'm saying, That's
that's where I fit in. That'sright, that's where that's where I live
at. Yeah. So I justI appreciate being me. It made it
so easy to be me to dowhat I do, then to try to
(46:52):
fit in a movement that's that's goingon at that time, you know what
I'm saying. But I tapped inwith it. I got one. It
was like I think I got onGuda. Yeah it was. I did
a song with fab I did.I did. You did a couple of
them. I did a few songs, But I was just looking back.
I was like, man, belike you were there. I was there.
(47:13):
Yeah, I'm not saying you feelexactly. I supported I supported the
happy movement. I was. Idon't know. I don't know if I
would have wanted to hear you offall them crazy sounded beas here. I
just want to hear you some.I just want to hear some ship like
that exactly. You know everything,Like I said, I wasn't knocking it
right. I know you're not knockingthe course they laying, you know what?
(47:36):
And that's the beauty about music.You know, could it don't have
to be oh they like, youknow, Bear music. You can't put
us them and say no Bear musicbecause you know, like I said,
during the time we was out,even our quote unquote hip hop artist is
the cool and hieroglyphics and playing theAsian all, you know, for the
(48:00):
game. And I remember being outof town man and I was getting ready
to go to a concert and Iwas going to and it was I think
it was in Austin, Texas,and we passed by the venue and it
was lying around the corner and Iwas like, I was like, dangept
here. I thought it was myshow. It was hiro show. Wow.
Yeah, mine wasn't that deep show. It was lit. Yeah.
(48:24):
I had a whole different respect forthe boys, you know what I'm saying,
because you know, when you getout there out the bay and see
what niggas is wearing and how moving, Yeah, you have a whole different
You have a whole year, youknow what I'm saying, and you'd be
like, oh ship you know theyreally really like even like in my beginning
days of going out, I usedto like important organ and I'll sneak into
(48:45):
it. Andre Nikgotina show yeah,see how he had him under control and
man's doing all type of ship.I was like, man, I had
to just you know, bow down. Yeah, bro, you you you
the guy? Yeah, you arethe guy. Not because it be sometimes
people like they may not be yourLike I'm not saying I love Nicotine.
(49:06):
I'm just saying sometimes some people inthe hood. Everybody embraced Nicotina. But
when you see him outside of thebay and then the way he moving into
love that he gets it puts youlike god, damn god right seriously,
like for real, real, seriously, he didn't me right right straight up?
(49:29):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, hellyeah. Shout out to him for
real because I was talking to WillBronton somebody we both know. Shout out
to Will Bronson active Management. Hewas saying, like I was asking,
like, man, Will, likewhy do you think like too Short God
so much like love from like Biggiejay Z. He was like, Bro,
(49:49):
when they go out and they youknow, you on the road.
Now you're on the road, You'renot in New York. You with this
dude name too Short and he outhere in tim book to Kansas and it's
litten in this and he killing it. Then you're gonna be like, damn,
I respect him. And I waslike, well, you know,
Biggie like two short nine rapping likeBiggie. He was like that shit don't
matter. Bro. When you outthere on the road, you see somebody
(50:12):
putting it down, see the loveand respects one get. It opens your
eyes. It opened your eyes,and then you look at it at motherfuck's
catalogs and seeing what kind of recordsthey so right and what they did it
with, how long they've been doingright shit Like Nigga, I only got
one one of our and two albums. This nigga got fifteen fifteen albums that
win gold or platinum, like like, oh shit, I looked at shorts,
(50:34):
my bag. I looked at shortslike first fifteen twenty albums, they
all win golder plant all of them, I swear to goun bro Man.
So thank you Belichit for having usmade. Oh before you go, tell
us about the album where they couldget it. That's the throw block music
too, Yes, sir, streamingeverywhere. You know what I'm saying.
You stream it, go to YouTube, check out the videos count. We
(50:55):
dropped another one. We're getting readyto drop pocket the money. But the
one with Boosy, yeah right,and we're gonna drop the one with King
Sidle House on the heell for surely. You don't keep them coming, man,
It's just you know, it's anew game. It's about catalogs and
content, so you know that's that'swhat we're running now versus record sales.
So we're just gonna keep pushing.You still got the club, the Cannabis
(51:17):
Club, No, sir, Okay, give them time, Okay, for
sure, not in this climate.I got you, I understand man.
Yeah ahright, man, y'all besmoothing made. Don't forget wash your back
man, or have somebody else washit for you, please. There's Prince
Haaquem style. The Royal Peters isclean. It is juices and berries, right,
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