Sitdown w/ Gunna Goes Global

Fillmoe Mike of 106.1 KMEL recently sat down with Gunna Goes Global on this latest installment of the Wash Ya Back podcast.
Producer of this episode is Christian Montoya
Media provided by Duarte Productions and E. McGee Photography

Episode Transcript

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You may welcome to another installment ofthe Wash Your Back Podcast. May I
am your host, film on Mike, and you know we got a very
special guest on this motherfucker to day. We got a fellow Philmony and in
the billing today and before we getstarted, mister Gunner goes global shout you.

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Thank you for coming. Man.You know you're looking good. I
see you got the you know,the pastel colors, and his motherfucker got
the turtle neck, he got thehair, got your your crown looking sick.
Let me know. But you know, we always ask a question before
we get on this thing. Man, it's a very important question. It's
essentil Did you wash your back today? Twice? Twice? But Joe that's

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like the third most popular answer filthysaid twice. Somebody else say I do
it two times for sure? Hellyeah, man, So what's up?
May everything man been around, sayseat Gunna. Man, it's a pleasure
to be here. You know whatI'm saying, Man, Thank you for
coming, man, thank you forpulling up. It's long overdue. Telling
people what you got cracking like rightnow, man, tell them everything you
got going. You got hell ofshit for sure. When it comes to

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the music, man, we gotthat twenty one Summer's Deluxe. We got
therapy in the ghetto. When itcomes to the clothing, of course,
we got the Bay Hoodies, youknow what I'm saying, the fan favorite.
And then when it comes to themovement, we're working on mental health,
saving a few lives, you feelme. So we intertwined it,
mixing the gangsters and the guys,you know, putting it all together.
The gumbo part of that, that, man, I ain't mad at that.
Tell me about the uh the hoodies, good quality hoodie. I started

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it and I started gave a curveball. See high quality hoodies. Man,
we got the highest quality hitties.I feel like in the region.
You know what I'm saying. WhenI said the region, I ain't talking
about the Bay. I'm talking aboutthe United States of America. That region.
Yeah. So that was inspired bythe game, by the culture,
you know what I'm saying. Andthen it was created. They received it,
and uh, it's been blessings everysince you started that during the pandemic

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ye right after Birthday rest our soulOkay definite the Lieptember twenty six, twenty
twenty one, I believe, andit kind of just blew up definitely everywhere.
Yeah, what was the concept besidesthe Bay? Yeah, putting the
shit together to be all the wayhonest man. You know, coming from
the city rock with people from thetown for layout rich Epa all that.

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You realize as soon as we leave, they don't really call it. They
don't call it the city or townor v They call it the Bay.
Oh, you're from the Bay.You're a Bay Catcher from the Bay.
So I also peep out of NewYork. No matter what borrow you're from,
you get up under that New YorkYankees hat. And when you're in
LA, you get up under thatDodgers has So I said, okay,
we're gonna we're gonna create a hoodiethat we can all get up under.
Yeah, you unified the whole Baywith that motherfucker. All the hoods on

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there. Man, if you don'tgot it, tell them no. Let
the people dot com Mayhoodies dot com. Uh, they got an Instagram handle
on that thing, Mayhoodies dot ComInstagram. At the Bay Hoodies. You
feel me get on and get left, you know what I'm saying. So
let me know when did you didyou design that what do you mean by
designer? Was? Which is yourconcept? You see you put shout out
to a I was able to getwith him shout one time. Yeah,

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I got going to get on camera. He the idea and then he was
able to manifest the digitally. Okay, put it on club. Okay for
Charlotte hands on. Oh no,no, man, I like it.
Man. The thing about you isthat and a lot of the people I
have on here, it's a recurrentthing. I see your growth, like
I'm not just putting you on herebecause you you a fellow Phil Mopott and

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you feel me. I've been knowingyou since what two thousand nine, two
thousand and eight, two thousand andseven, that's when we really officially met
see you in the hood, growingup and ship, but officially met was
like I remember, we went tofuck freaking flip Flippers Clippers. They shut
it down, it's right there on. But they used to have some good
ass burgers in that. As amatter of fact, it was Flippers check

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out exactly. That was Maia exactly, bro in the hood. So you've
been putting in work since then,and I definitely see the growth you everywhere.
You won't you you you you rockingwith me right now? Just heard
you on ninety five seven. Yoube everywhere doing your doing interviews, always
coming with new content in a differentway to show your ship. For sure.

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Uh. I think you did acouple of videos and you've had you
got like two or three different visualsfor one song. Am I am I
tripping? You might be okay,I could have seen like two or three
two or three visuals for one ofyour song man, So like, uh,
like where do you like get yourmotivation? Like what inspired you?

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I see you one hundred million?What what? What inspired you? Oh?
One hundred million come from San Quinnfor show. I remember flumes I
got out of the fairs. Hewas like, man, fill moe with
the sigres man, somebody gonna getthat hundred million. Yeah, And that
always stuck with me because I waslike, one hundred million is obtainable,
especially in the city. But theinspiration and motivation really come from knowing where
I could be. I got apatch so I know I could be dead,

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and then when I was eighteen,I was facing life so I know
it could be locked up. Andthen that's unfortunately, that's where a lot
of my partners is. You getwhat I'm saying, So it's easy to
wake up and look at the cuphalf full opposed to have empty. Then
I grew up listening to motivate it. I grew up listening to pot.
I grew up listening to DMX.I grew up listening to a you know
what I'm saying. I grew uplistening to MESSI mar saying Quinn. I
grew up listening to Dude fifty cent. All of that listening and watching dudes

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win in life as far as themusic goes, and then the streets,
that's a whole other element. Andthen outside of that, you know,
my level of black consciousness, Soyou know what I'm saying, I'm inspired
by this shit off top. Let'stalk about that. Your level of black
consciousness? Man, where do youfeel like the black community is lacking within
San Francisco, within the San Franciscoseven by seven city limits? Uh,

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you got to look at the infrastructure. You know what I'm saying. Once
upon a time it was flourishing,whether it be Bayview, Hunter's Point,
whether it be the mot you knowwhat I'm saying, Visitation, Valley,
Sunny Deal on the towers Lakeview hada huge, thriving black population, but
then things came in different variables.Was introducing to the communities that we was
oblivious to, Like crack was onething, but it was really that mass
incarceration and that gentrification that really justyou feel me, got us on shaky

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grounds. And that's city to city, state to state. So it's not
like a black San Francisco thing.It's look at the town. You know,
the town is birthplace of black panthers. Right now. You go to
the town and they look at soblack no moment, you feel me,
right, So when it comes tothe city, uh the other this week,
as a matter of fact, Iwas talking about reparations. Money is
needed. When the loans got denied, you feel me for us to be

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able to be a homeowners that affectedus. How do you gonna get generational
wealth if grandpa, grandma migrated here, joined the military, and then when
it comes time for the loans,there's like nope, you got to stand
in the projects. That's what happenedto us, you know what I'm saying.
So it's perpetual. How do youdeal with you a sharp brother long
time? How do you deal withyour music being so raw, but yet
and still you feel me you spinningoff ship like you Malcolm X with somebody?

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How do you? How do you? How do you deal with someone
trying to stereotype you and your visualhow you look and how you sound from
the music and then say how yougonna come here and talk about black consciousness
and h you know, mental awareness? Will It's uh, it ain't even
hard to be honest with you,it's struggle for you. It's confusing for

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other people because because before I jumpoff the porch, I'm black, So
before the streets, I'm a man, I'm a human, and then along
the way it's like poverty get introducedand that I'm standing tall in the streets
and what people want to do isthey want to have you figured out.
But none of the men that Ilook up to, or none of the
men that I'm inspired by, haveever been in that box started off as
a pim. So did you thinkthe whole time he was Malcolm X?

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Now he needed time to evolve.Doctor King was doing. Doctor King was
doing and we all know what Tupacwas doing. You feel what I'm saying.
So when you look at the lategreat Nipsey hustle. When you look
at a jay Z, do youthink jay Z was just a rapper?
If you dumb, you thought hewas just a rapper. So with me
goofy, Yeah, for sure,I get stereotyped more in a neighborhood in
the city. So a lot ofmy blessings over the year of been blocked

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because they just see me allegedly asa shooter, allegedly as his street dude,
allegedly. It's just it's just oneside of me, and then that
one side has no context. Butwhen I step about that realm, it's
slit. They open the door forme to get my flowers in real life.
And that's how I got to getto where I'm at right now,
thinking outside of the box and beingoutside of the box straight up. Watch
your Back podcast here with my fellowFrisconian Gunn. It goes global on this

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motherfucker just talking to him chopping game. Let's get into the music. Let's
talk tell us about the album.How much you've been working, how much
effort you put into that bad boy? Oh you know I do this effortless.
Sleep Yeah, man, I'm gonnakeep it real minute. Go plax,
ain't here the platinum Plaux ain't here, but it ain't nobody coming here.
Yeah, it's coming. But it'sjust like when it comes to music,

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man, so often, like whenI get in there, it's natural
and I love what I do.I've been being paid to do what I
do since I was about age eighteen. You feel what I'm saying. But
with therapy in the ghetto is amore universe. That's a project I can
honestly say. I can see throughthe analytics the fans have spread out,

(09:07):
whether it be aged, whether itbe demographic, and I feel like it's
resonating with them on a whole anotherlevel, which is super dope because that's
how my interviews are and that's howwhen people talk to me. So being
able to translate that into the music, it's a whole different It's a whole
different vibration. You feel me onsome on some real ship. It is
dope. I got you so?Uh who's your Uh? Who is?

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What's the song? I like?Man? I always tell challenging to play
that song? Uh it got theslow beat? Uh? You going through?
Yeah? You want to be myvision and the feelings like the bras
Dude my number. I'm gonna callyou I'm gonna fall through. Yes,

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sorry, I love that song.Man. My question is because when you
be rapping, you be preaching everytime. Where'd you get that style from
Tupac? Okay? You know whatI'm saying? Saying Quinn Okay, I
was gonna say, sometimes you soundlike a little bit of Quincy. Yeah,
for sure you can. I'm heavilyinfluenced by them, and I do

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my best no matter what song.I'm on to stay true to myself,
but always drop a gym. Butdon't damn me spend. I just go
all the way in. That's justthat's just raw and cutting. That's why
people like it so much because it'slike, let's get straight to it.
What we on. You know whatI'm saying. And that's one of my
up I did on one tape.Okay, for sure, my favorite song
is the raw shiph I like that. I love that song. I tell

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DJ Townsend, I'm like, bro, play that Gunner song. I tell
the play that all the time.DJ black Mark, and when we at
when we at Origin, if you'repulling man, play that ship man and
record it. Man. Let meknow. I'm getting some love for sure.
So one day I was watching,Yeah, I mean not watching.
We damn to do watch Instagram,but I was on. I was on

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Instagram, Yeah, and I seenyou in a trailer and I'm like,
this nigga and a trailer for sure. Then to Sina Arnold for motherfucking Morton,
Pam popped out that motherfucker give youall types of hugs and kisses.
I was jealousy, man, Andit was in the city, so like
it was crazy. So I was. I seen that And then like six

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five, four months later, boom, the last bat Man of San Francisco.
Your asses in the movie off Time. How the fuck did that happen?
The buck Man, you know,shout out the stunnera man o two.
He grew up listening to my music. Yeah, so he was like,
if y'all gonna do a movie aboutthe city, y'all need to put
gun in it. And by thegrace of God, I just remember that

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day. I hadn't got lined up, and usually I don't go nowhere I
find groom because hear my mom inmy ear. Don't let nobody see you
got it together, So step outon the limb and when I get in
there, we auditioned shout out toMillie and shout out to Milk. We
get up in there and it justyou feel me. It's organic and I
was able to not only be casted, but if you listen to the actual

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dialogue, the reason why it's sowrong on uncut because you feel me.
Shout out to the director. Itold him, like, man, this
is how we talk. Originally,we sound like we was damn there from
La for real, like ninety threeninety four is the director from the city.
Oh yeah, from Bertol Heights.Okay, I thought so Jimmy and
Joe okay, gotcha shown and withthe soda got you o g mcatteer got

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you? Yeah? So was it? Were you nervous? Not at all.
I've been acting before. I wasrapping this nigga perfect, this nigga.
Don't get nervous. This shows noeffort. I'm sweating like shit over
here. This nigga has no noperspiration or anything. What the turner called
let me know, gutda, Solet me know. So if you wasn't
nervous, not at all. Mymother and father met a new college in

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San Francisco. Wow, back inthe day and the day no more.
He feel me, so they wasan acting class together. So I grew
up around the theater. You're notgonna hear those stories in me and feel
more like in the streets as apre teen. You're gonna hear about me
at the culture Center, and you'regonna hear about me in the house.
Okay, I was raising the theater. When it came time to do that,
it was it was a no brainer. First player I ever did was

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Joe Turner's Coming Go You Cover anExtra A few movies too, thanks to
Mom, So yeah, it was. It was a no brainer. Man.
It was a walking to park andI got to play myself, so
so yeah, gun Of goes Globalplayed by Gunna Goes Global. Straight up.
It was a beautiful thing. Definitely, And then you talk about like
just doing promo for the for themovie real quick, because it was all

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y'all was y'all over the world.We made something out of nothing with that.
Originally were supposed to do Q andA's right here in the city,
but I ended up meeting this womannamed Liz. We was at a bar
and I was telling the situation like, man, were finna have a situation
out there in Switzerland? But Ithink they wanted to like fifteen twenty bands
at the time. So I'm like, in order to get the whole femmy
team out there, and she waslike, you should do a go fun

(13:56):
me. I'm like, man,my mom, I'm thinking to go funny
for people that's dead. I waswrong. We did to go fund me
raised the Chicken. We ended upgoing to Switzerland. We ended up going
to London. We ended up goinguh the Netherlands, and we end up
going to uh no no, no, no, no no no. I
take that back. Where's did wego? London? Yeah, Parish,

(14:18):
go to Paris. We went tothe red like yeah. Then we went
to the red light district in Amsterdamthe Netherlands. Yeah, we end up
going to uh Amsterdam. That's what'sup? Bron So Like fuck when you
was when you was like out there, don't it Okay? We're from the

(14:41):
same hood. So I think mything is this when you get out of
it, when you when I getout of town, I get to wear
my frist go fitted you feel me, I get the repping extra nigga you
international with it? Yeah, Iknow you was straight up to manifestation.
Man, gonna go come on straightup literally, man, man, So

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I know you was out there actingthe food, doing the most. Are
you like me? Where you justgo? You go somewhere else form and
you kind of you respect the culture, but you gotta rip your ship so
hard. I'm more of a student, like to get around the natives.
Okay. To me, I'm like, all right, take me to the
ghetto, take me to the hoodwhere you know, take me to the
bottom of it. Resonate with tosee where the black people at every time.

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You know what I'm saying. Londonis like the city and then New
York put together. Wow, anybodywas a travel I feel like I know
why people like London is food terrible, but the people live the food is
terrible. They gave a Nigga sourcream for its pancakes. Bro what sour
cream it was? It wasn't likeit wasn't like cream butter. You know

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how cream butter is something white likethe food they Mediterranean food was what it
was. But I'm talking about likethe regular for eating anything. Brits eat
anything, potatoes, pancakes. Itdon't sound good. It was phony And
I remember they went to a steakhousebut they served me some pancakes and I'm
like, man, it's tasty.That fucked you up right there. He

(16:10):
was like, none of this shit. And we found shakeshack the real shake
shack. Okay, not the onelike out here. The real shake shack
pressure tastes like grams made. Itwent there like three or four times that
not. No, we went theretwo times that night, then we next
night on time. All right,mad at you been international it wash your
back podcast. I am Phil onMike fel one o six point one km

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ye chilling here with my nigga Gunnagoes global. Let's talk about this man,
Let's talk about your upbringing because yougotta ilass upbringing because your dad,
if I'm not mistaken, is frommy doors. He got from them.
Thank you for sure. I wantedyou to say that that g part.
Let the people know what that means. Oh got people are got eve new
guy. Actually, they took overslave ship back in the day and they

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landed in Belize and spread throughout thecoastal parts of Belize, Honduras, Nicoagua
south or in Guatemala. So you'llfind a whole bunch of black folks there.
You feel me with the language,with the customers with the food and
everything else. So yeah, it'sdope all around us. Uh, well,
left eye she was out there messingwith doctor Sebby. I'm in love
with the coco what's his name?O T Genesis. He GotY from us.

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A whole bunch of gutty for thepeople around here. But oftentimes people
assimilate. You feel me? Okay, so you want to know. But
my mother, she's a black woman, so that's why I was raised as
a black man. You feel me? No? Definitely? How long would
you was you? Did you?Were you in Hondors for a time?
No, we're just going to okay, okay, got you going to summers.
But my paternal side they still allowhere. As a matter of fact,
my cousin right here, he gottingfor them. Okay. You know

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English is his third language? Okay, wow, for sure? Do you
speak any other languages? I knowhow to get what I wanted other languages,
okay, fluently, no understanding?Yeah, like like a hard on
a bitch literally literally literally, ifI warnt something, I'm gonna start speaking
right here. So definitely if Iwant something, yeah, but to keep

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it a buck like him, likegrowing up Migraine, not Migraine. Crossing
that bridge going to the town,you'd be like, Oh, I'm going
to hogh Dorsy, but oh you'reblack Mexican. You feel me? So
yeah, she'll talk. So growingup, I kind of like pushed away
from the whole, that whole sidebecause I'm like, what what do you
mean? Like you felt you feltlike they were acting funny towards you.
Nah, I didn't feel like therewas acting funny. People just didn't know.

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Like a lot of times I tellpeople I'm going to hound Dory,
but oh, what Puerto Africa yougoing to? I'd be like, what
the fuck? Nah, I'm alittle kid, though, Okay, got
you you're elementary, middle school higherYou're going to Africa right now, going
by Mexico and then they call youblack Mexican. I'm like, nah,
bro, Like Mexico is a country, right, but people think Mexico,
Ecuador, El Salvador, everything inSouth and Central America, and that's nothing.

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They think Africa country though. Factsit's fifty two nations Africa Africa.
So that ship wasn't easy. Sotell me something about like what you're trying
to get. What you're trying todo within the next year. You do
a lot, so like within thenext let's just start within the next one
to two years where you trying toset yourself where you're trying to be at.
The goal is to financially become amillionaire and empowered the team. You

(19:14):
feel me because when you got asolid foundation, it's nothing that you can't
do. Uh. As far asthe music goes, that's self explanatory.
I definitely signed up for the goldand platinum plaques. As far as the
clothing, I signed up for theworld to be created in the image of
whatever it is we see and whatwe create. And when it comes to
philanthropic side or the social side,it's saving a few lives if we're gonna
start with one, But to savea million, that'd be dope too.

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So it's a pleasant things. Again, I'm a liver, so I'll weigh
it all on my scale. Andtoo often I feel like with us,
they go back to what we talkingabout in the beginning. You confined to
this one space. But if youcan find jay Z to music, there's
no clothing, there's no alcohol,there's no no buildings, there's no billionaire.

(19:57):
Right, you can find if youcombined to get rich your dit trying.
There's no power, there's no guin and sneakers, it's no genie
and clothing. So continue continuing tooperate, uh whatever, with whatever,
whatever aligns with what I got goingon and what the team got going on.
So I said, you do alot, you're also like a social

(20:22):
activist, my nigga, you wasyou and Ace and uh stunning man was
on the fucking bridge protesting. Was'all trying to get that hand a million
in it? Oh yeah, yeah. It was definitely about black faces and
tech spaces. What that ship wasabout, man, So yeah, talk.
So they say the word activists,and I know people mean, well,

(20:42):
but that ship is watered down.And then what they do is like
they they kind of like strip youwith that more than anything, like I
said before before, I'm in thestreets. I'm a person, right definitely,
And that was more like saying,it's so much money in tech.
I think one point seven trillion annually, not billion trillion t Yeah, so

(21:03):
that's a lot of money. Uhyeah, I think less than like three
percent is black folks. That's aproblem. So if we're talking about the
future and we're talking about generational wealthand we talk about money. Why do
you think people from all over theworld is coming to sleep on a couch
in the Bay Area. It's forthe Chicken bro and the chicken is in
tech everything that. Look at whatwe're talking on, look at what's in

(21:26):
our pocket, look at everything around. It's all technology. It's a very
vague word, but it's so manydifferent compass come on. So when we
on the bridge and shit, I'mlike, man, our children need to
be going to schools where they're ableto understand what's going on. Like when
you look at the Beayer, whyare we affected? Let's talk about the

(21:47):
rap culture, talk around what happens. What do you think we're going on
right now? If this was NewYork, if the tech capital of the
world was New York, what doyou think would be going on in La
New York, York, Atlanta andHouston to be totally different, probably three,
four or five empires all the shit. Yeah, you got to intertwine
it right now to talentate the issuein the Bay My nigga, we don't
even have to come together. It'sthe business and understanding that these folks that

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it's eight million people in the Bay. All you need is ten percent or
five one percent? Fuck it,all we need is one percent. That's
eighty thousand people to come out andsupport what's going on day in and day
out. Now you got your bars, now, you got your clubs,
now, you got your concerts,now, you got your restaurants. You
got all of this different type ofrevenue that's trickling in. And when you
got these people in tech that arecourtant to cash because they scared the death

(22:36):
or don't know where to even goand congregate, it creates this disadvanty to
be exactly. Imagine if you gointo La then none of the Hollywood money
was hitting the streets. So weneed that tech money to trickle down,
you know what I'm saying. Andwe need our folks to be able to
create some dope ass a some dopeass situations to where the money is touching
multiple hands throughout the community. Howdo you feel that a lot? Because

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this is my thing. I wasborn in Eddie Foe, and I tell
you niggass all the time. AndEddie Foe, the city was twenty five
percent black. How do you feelthat the lack of black people hurt San
Francisco In particular. I mean whereit ain't no black people, ain't no
culture. It's self explanatory. Ifthey want to turn this into like I
don't know what Sam Matteo or somethinglike that, it's just not gonna be

(23:22):
a good look if we look likeSouth City or Brisbane. You feel what
I'm saying. So so often theypainted as a quote unquote liberal city,
but this is one of the mostsophisticatedly racist cities in the United States of
America because they do it with asmile. Institutional race. I mean,
it's dry right now, like thecity, we're carrying the culture. But

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imagine if you could still go tothe moment people black man. Imagine you
go to the Point Sunny Deal,Double Rod, Alamanni, Patreal Hill,
the VGs, you know what I'msaying, Army Street, all that.
I think I said the Hill forshow. So it's like the towers,
all of this. So when youtake that away, you stripping it down.
And once you strip it down,you gonna see an exodus. People

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want to be here till they comeand see it's dry. So anybody that's
involved reverse gentrification got to take place, because in modern times, fill Mo
is ground zero for gentrification in moderntimes. San Francisco is the first city
to almost successfully eradicate blackness. Wehad three percent right now. B Yeah,
it's ugly right now. The majorityof people that be here that's black,

(24:27):
migrate, not migrate, commute here. See, the thing is the
money. San Francisco is an expensivecity. But like what you say,
can kind of go back to everythingthat you're talking about. You gotta get
the money, you go, let'sgo through tech. When you come out
here, it's no black people,but it's no black people because it ain't
no money. The money's not tricklingdown. And then look at cannabis.

(24:48):
We also the cannabis capital of theworld. We are. Yeah, ain't
no way we shouldn't see ten twentythirty black billionaires in tech in the marijuana
industry. Yeah, when the majorityis locked up, you feel me,
that's what's going on. Shout outthe snow Cones. I got the founder
of snow Cones right next to me. You feel me. Okay, so
a billionaire to be when it comesto the cannabis. So yeah, we

(25:10):
gotta, we gotta get in thesespaces. So when we was protesting,
that's what this ship is about ownershipequity. Speaking up. Music is a
beautiful thing. It's also a commercial. So what is the commercial for?
Is it for a beverage? Youknow what I'm saying. Is it for
clothing? Is it for a hairproduct? It got to be for something
more than just music, you knowwhat I'm saying. Historically, when you
look at the successful artists. Allright, you went to New York for

(25:36):
DMX funeral or his his is goingaway or homegoing bark Clay Center at the
Barclay Center. Can you tell usabout that experience and how did it How
did it feel to go to NewYork, the mecca of hip hop,
and to go to see and laydown to rest one of your favorite rappers,
I know, one of your favoriterappers, hold on the microwave,

(25:59):
going on, man, what's cooking? Is an interview? Too hot?
That was a washer back that wassigned to watch your game that day And

(26:22):
it shouldn't happened though, because it'sin auto and I don't know why that
happened. But anyway, Yeah,DMX, thank you. Oh that shit
was dope. You know, It'sdark and Hell is Hot one of my
favorite albums me too, Like literally, I still play it to this day.
So if you know me, you'regonna hear some whenever somebody knocked on
the door and they'd be like it'sme. You like, yeah, I

(26:42):
know day I still make that joke. But going out there, it was
one of them things with X whereI just it reminded me of Messy Moore,
a situation similar, meaning like Iwould have liked to see them.
I would have liked to see thebest version of them. You know what
I'm saying, before they even thoughmess is still alive. You know what
I'm saying stuff like that, Youalways wonder what if you know what I'm

(27:03):
saying, they hadn't going there routewith the substances and stuff. But rest
is soul And I'm not talking aboutthat had anything to do with his demise.
I'm just talking about, you know, throughout the years, that's not
seeing them as much as we wantedto see him, right right? Who's
your Uh, let me ask youa question. You go ahead, We're
here for uh comparing contrast saying Quinnand Messy Moore's Doctor King and Malcolm X.

(27:26):
You can't compare because saying Quinn isdoctor King and MESSI marves Malcolm X
Okay, they totally too. Totally, but that's what I'm saying. You
tell me. I'm not saying tocompare them. I'm saying that you feel
me. You tell me because Itell people all the time. I similarly
say that too. Like messages thestreet, they're just different. So Mess
is the on the block with you, and Quinn is around the block observing.

(27:51):
He's the storyteller, he's the bornand raids in the neighborhood. But
bro, I'm not with that shit. You know, I'm gonna chunk and
we're gonna do all the tools andfuse. But Mess is the one who
I got a full scholarship, butI'm finna fuck it off. You know
what I'm saying. Mess is theone who you know could have won d
one went to the NFL, buthe got so deep into it like so
many of us. And that's whygrowing up listening to them artists, uh,

(28:11):
so many of us was able tosee ourselves in them. And mess
is still a fan favorite to thisday because messes are I don't compare.
I just don't. If we gowith lyrics, I say that I don't.
I don't like to do it either. If you go lyrical. I'm
gonna go with Quinn all day.But if you're going with like ad libs,

(28:32):
discoography, just quality body of work, like MESSI Marve is a rapper
and saying Quinn is a hip hopartist, you feel me. And it's
a huge hate to both. It'sa huge It's a huge difference between a
hip hop artists. Quinn will literallycome in here and rap to anything,
real talk hip hop. Mes's gonnasit there, all right, all right,

(28:56):
all right, let me get thisbeat. And that's the difference between
a rapper and a hip hop artist. I'm a rapper blood and I'm an
artist. I'm not a hip hopartist. I've been around niggas that are
hip hop art They literally will goin there and you can some trash like
this and they'll get to spitting onthere the hardest bars you ever heard.
But I'm not running that back.I'm not playing that back. Let me

(29:18):
ask you a question only because restin peace to them, say yeah,
what was what was he? Becausehe could run? It was a hip
hop artist rpter dip. If youlisten to this early stuff, he was
so great because it'd be two threein the morning and hippa be in there
listening to dipset squad up mixtapes injay Z. But when he made that

(29:44):
transition, this was the thing.When he made that transition and realized,
like, all right, my nigga, I see I got a structure songs.
No, lie, this is aroundgunner for you. When it came
out, I saw it got uslike two in the morning. I never
forget them in a bathroom. Ithit me like, man, how you
be making them hooks? Because whenhe started listening to my music, he
realized, of course it was shredand everything he touched, but it's no

(30:06):
structure. You feel me. Oncehe starts structuring it, it was no
limit to where he was gonna go. But that's why he was so wrong.
When hip hop artists make the transitionto rapper beats, it's nothing you
can do with them. You feelme because they versatility and their ability and
how they approach it. Like KendrickLamar, he's a hip hop artist,
you feel me, nas J Cole, jay Z, Tupac, them is

(30:27):
hip hop artists. And then Tupacmade that aggressive transit transition I'm a rapper,
and then jay Z did the samething and when you listen to Good
Kid in mass City. That's whatKendrick Lamar did. That's why everybody loved
that album so much because he therapper beats. Then after that he went
off to his hip hop beats,so you could you could you respect the

(30:48):
nigga, you respect the tyler isthe most deaths and okay, and then
but you can also fuck with thejuveniles. And I don't listen to hip
hop like that. I studied hiphop. I'll listen to an album literally
to study, but I only playrappers. It's not too many hip hop
artists's getting like growing up Here fourhundred Degrees is my top ten album,

(31:11):
right, Get Rich of Dye Tryingfor me? All lies on me mcavelly.
I don't really listen to two Pocalypsenow are strictly for my niggas because
that's when he was on his hiphop ype. You feel me? So
nah, I can't. What aboutme against the World? That was the
best of all, that's the bestthat that was the hip hopper saying,
that was the hip hop artist sayingblong for the transition in the rap man

(31:33):
so it you know, that's arare occurres. You know what I'm saying.
Hell yeah, what's sure? Man? Here with gonna goes global?
It's a film on Micael to WatchYour Back podcast. A couple more questions
before we get out here, Man, I wanted to get into uh I
heard you like I said, Iheard you own Radio ninety five seventy game.
You're talking about the suicide rate goingup and we were just actually talking

(31:57):
about suicides on the street soldiers.One of my questions to you is,
how do you who are you tryingto influence? More so, what age
group the youngsters, the nineteen tolike twenty five adolescents or niggas like our
age, or all of them?Right now when you look at depression,

(32:22):
mental health, and suicide is goingfrom like age seven to like forty three.
So that's all of us. Yeah, like right now when you look
at it, it ain't like anisolated It's like all over dudes just losing
their mind and turning on themselves.You know what I'm saying, their real
life. I can't afford to paymy bills, boom, I'm not getting

(32:42):
enough lights on Instagram, little kidskilling themselves boom. Whatever the case may
be. You feel what I'm sayingso with that is to shed light on
the people that's actually doing the work. Twenty four seven. I'm just a
vessel. I don't know where i'dbe with I listening to share so many
tears. I mean, I don'tknow where i'd be with I listening to
DMX slip and fall and can't getup, and they were vessels right now.
And a lot of the music.Uh, it's based off your algorithm,

(33:05):
so it may be one sided.And when you got people in the
communities doing the work, I seethem and I learned all that from when
we was protesting. I was like, damn, all these people doing this
dupe ass work, but they don'tgot no visibility. So to keep it
a buck with you. The workthat they're doing is damn near. I'm
not gonna say in vain, butit's not reaching all the people that it
could reach. And then when youlook at what's going on in these communities,

(33:27):
I know people will be talking aboutthe violence, and they be talking
about a bunch of other shit,but it all starts in the mind.
I'm not gonna tell you to putno gun down, but I am gonna
tell you to get your mind right. I am gonna tell you, hey,
bro, you may be traumatized,but you feel me some real shit,
but nigga can get you some therapyfor real, for real. A
lot of these dudes they crashing out. You're not your daddy, you're not
your uncle, you're not your olderbrother. They want to emulate the lifestyle

(33:49):
that's not even relevant to their existenceright now. You're not an eighties baby
or nineties you feel me, youain't getting how we get it. And
I'm not saying that. You feellike y'all don't understand. Niggas crawl and
walk so y'all can run. That'slike going backwards and like, nah,
man, run this bag up.We want to be like somebody who did

(34:12):
X, Y and Z, belike somebody who got the chicken. So
when it come to suicide, whenit comes to mental health, when it
comes to depression, and also knowthat go hand in hand with doper communities
right, healthier families, more money, and it ain't like a street thing.
It's these middle class black folks unfortunatelythat's committing the most suicide. Them
dudes with the degrees. So it'smaining. Once you look at the numbers,

(34:35):
you see, Okay, where's todisconnect Back in the day, you
know, it's normal for us tosee each other in the neighborhood. Right
now, you got to cause somebodyto come outside. Now you got to
go to somebody house. So weare communic people, we are tribal people,
we are outside people. So that'swhy since the pandemic, the suicide
been going up and the depression beengoing up so much. Because your the
video games is cool, social mediais cool. But what happened when you

(34:57):
put that electronics down and all thatdope and mine and you crashing? Right,
So now these dudes going from beingsuper stimulated to oh, man,
I ain't got a Rolex, Iain't got a Rose roy some I'm of
nobody. That's come on, bro, you feel like because you ain't a
millionaire, you and nobody. Iain't got fifty bands, bro, that's
what the pandemic is over. Man, A lot of people didn't have fifty
bands. My nigga, It's okaynot to be rich. So with this

(35:22):
whole mental health awareness campaign, it'sto lock down and focus on us.
You feel me because you may beworking two jobs. I may be on
the road. The fathers, thegrandfathers, the uncles, the cousins that
we once had in the neighborhood.Somehow we got to figure out how to
help each other so that we couldbe here. You feel me come twenty
forty, twenty fifty, twenty sixtyand shit like that. You know what

(35:44):
I'm saying, but operating at thehighest frequency for real, man, What
a talk with a conversation man isto watch your back podcast. I want
to thank my guest's gonna for pullingup on me tonight. Let them know
where they could find you. Lethim know what you got in stores,
and let him know what you gotcoming soon. Man. We got every
soul. This is the thing man, the power manifestation. Let me keep

(36:07):
it to myself. I ain't gonnasay I am gonna say a hundred million
records man, one hundred million media. You feel me. I am gonna
shout out reading the dreams my cousinhere. I am gonna shot out easy
Money, that's snow cones for me, CEO. I am gonna shout out
Ace, I am gonna shout outGod's Child, and I'm gonna shout out
Kyle. You feel me and everybodythat wasn't able to be here. Shut
up, my brother body, hewould have pulled up he had some body.
Yeah, come on, question aboutthe whole HSC man. Oh go

(36:30):
ahead, man, I forgot IMan, Damn okay, nowhere, hold
on Ruger Man, free Mackie Man, dipping money made for Shure. Let's
get into it straight up. UhMan, y'all was putting out. Y'all
had a buzz brock. It's thefoundation of it. Man. You inspired
your favorite rapper? Favorite rapper?Man, would you like the rizzle?

(36:51):
Bro was you putting everything together?Okay? You know I'm the brains behind
this shit. You know the saying, Man, We're gonna goes the light
follows man. You know what I'msaying. So that's just how this shit
go. Man. Whoever you seearound me, Man, they're gonna be
doing their best and when I'm notaround man, they gonna be at their
lowest. Man. That's just howthis should go. You gotta blame God,
man, you can't blame me.Baby, just a body. That
nigga body crap, he got thatvoice crazy. That's my brother from another

(37:15):
man one the show. One ofthe dopest people I know for show HSC
Honestly, when I got locked upthough, everything kind of uh Instagram hit,
and when Instagram hit, it wasdifferent. When I got released,
we had an opportunity to do somethingbeautiful, something great, but uh,
in life, things just go thewhere they go. I got you,
but it was it was Hella dopeat the time because I always looked at

(37:38):
like get Low and then I lookedat Dune Deal. So HSC music group
was created in the likeness of that. That's why you've seen me put so
many artists to the forefront. Unfortunately, Uh, this was the same year
Dip got killed. But me andDipp used to have conversations about how we
was gonna do this. It wasalways a vision behind what was going on.

(37:59):
It was like our at you thebrains and I'm like when you listen
against Don't Grove and clearing my cup. It was meant for Dip to take
us to the next level. Inever got in the studio with Dip and
thought we was equal as an artistyear, but as a rapper it was
like he was on level fifteen andthe level the top level was teen.
He was on level fifteen. I'mon like level five. But I knew

(38:20):
this so man, do you feelme? You knew it and you accepted
it. Team play. The lasttime I freestyle is like the first time
I heard dip freestyle. I literallysaid, well, I'm never doing this
again. That's how Grady was andhow dope it was, and I was
just in aw. Was like,mannig, you really just said that.

(38:40):
Ship and with HSC Music Group,it was a manifestation of conversations that we
had had. But again, thisis before Instagram, so we wasn't able
to make that transition when that timecame because I was locked up. When
I got out, it was awhole different terrain. Got you for sure.

(39:00):
Yeah, man, I used tolisten to those hairdshot Committy mixtape and
I was like and to be real, I kind of got on it late,
yeah, and I was like,blood the funk. I was sleeping
on this, y'all. This wasrapping your ass off, bro my soul
and shout out to cash Money becausethere was a huge inspiration behind it too.

(39:22):
I never looked at rap and shoutout to Mac dre Rest is soul
Dizney piece right right because I watchedDrake create too. So let me fully
acknowledge the people that inspired me,like ip Eve Dre get out. I
wasn't. I wasn't listening to Drein the nineties when he dropped that Dizzy
Washington, that Genie of the Lampthat I booble that yeah ship what and

(39:46):
then I peeped it was I don'tknow if it was an interview or DVD.
The was like, man, justget on there and lay your vocals
basically the people that we wrapping infront of. Man, it ain't about
no lyricists, about energy. Andwhen he said that, it resonated with
me. I said something clickun ohshit, everybody gonna rap and then my
songs I'll talk about it like notbeing funny, but allegedly, once upon

(40:09):
a time, everybody's telling dope.Once upon a time. Everybody you feel
me on that? So why youcan't put a mic at somebody here?
And we talked, don't we burdMan ain't the best rapper in the world,
But I listened to bird Man,So I'm saying, nigga, can
you rap as good as bird Man? Can you rap as good as Baby?
If you can, then nigga getyour ass on the track. I
listened to Baby like niggas are getin the car and be mad like blasd

(40:30):
you about to nah nigga because birdMan was a game spin up. Yeah,
you feel me same when I listenedto I've been listening to A since
probably like two thousand and one before. I feel like everybody else was listening
to him and shit like that.But I listened to A for the for
the ism what I'm saying, soyeah, shout out HSC Music Group.
It was a beautiful time to bealive. Definitely, Uh, row money

(40:52):
good, row money, Romaine.What do you mean good? He do
he doing? Good? Man?You gotta ask him, okay for surely
isn't he good? Gotta ask himfor sure? You got to invite him
on here on a platform and gotyou alive and the free all bush aside.
And what I mean by good isthey would be able to give you
more DT. I got you realquick before we get out of here.

(41:13):
Before you tell people where they couldfind all your ship, where they can
find you at uh And this israndom. I remember back in the day
it was on Facebook. We wason Facebook. You was arguing with Big
Rich about uh the gunback program.This is Instagram. It was Instagram,
but it was It was maybe likefive six years ago, like four okay,

(41:35):
but he was doing the give backgun program and you were like staunchly
like, hell no, don't getback your guns. Can you talk about
that real quick? Yes, sir, thank you don't agree with it?
You know? Yeah, in theUnited States of America, people got the
right the beare arms and taking gunup, taking guns off the street,
no shooter or killers giving you theirgun. So this if you're trying to

(41:58):
protect kids I underst and from killingthemselves in the house like on some accidental
type ship. That makes sense.But even back then, I was when
I would talk to him like,hey, bro, what are you doing?
What are you doing? And Iasked people that all the time because
so often do you like, doyou think taking these guns off the street

(42:20):
is doing what? How many ofthese people who turned in these guns,
allegedly or not allegedly, how manydudes did you want to not use them?
Did that? So it's like,what's going on? I never seen
did anybody go to the communities wherethey get all of these school shootings and
say let's do a gun by back. I'm just asking br so you come

(42:47):
you come to the most disenfranchised partsof the city and then let's get them
off the streets. So did itdid it help anybody? And when I
have educated conversations with people, Iwant people to use logic. All Right,
if y'all do got a gun,got buy back? Now? Can
we get an entrepreneurial grants? Canwe get an entrepreneurial class. Can we
get a guaranteed job? Can wedo something to employ people, because it's

(43:10):
hard to knock somebody down if you'rework. I'm not with none of this
weird ass peace treaty white flags becausewhen you really come from it, and
I'm not talking about him, thisgoes Let's go to the streets in general.
Man. Once, once the situationhas surpassed something that can't be undone,
you better off getting out the wayright now. You want to see

(43:32):
Black communities change, Latino communities change, any community change, man, Put
jobs in that thing and resources.John and Bob and Bill are at work.
That's why they're not knocking everybody down. When they didn't have no jobs.
They was hitting all the banks.When they didn't have no jobs.
They was literally stealing people from thecontinent of Africa. Bro. Like literally
they was getting on boats. Hey, Bob, let's go get some Africans.

(43:54):
Let's go enslave them fact for money. So idle time is the devil's
playground. You understand what I'm saying. So when it comes to anybody in
the community, Man, if y'allwant to see a better community, a
thriving community, you have to emulatethose communities that are already doing that.
And that is employment and its education. It's not this this fictitious the world.

(44:17):
Get on your knees and pray,and let's say a prayer. We
need money. That peeing prayer needto stand for profitability. You understand me.
If Jesus is here right now,I don't think Jesus will be around
here, you know what I mean, preaching poverty. He'll be preaching some
wealth. Let's get some chicken,man, you feel me. King David,
God loved him the most in theBible. What was he about?

(44:40):
Let me back this up. Letme get the preaching this sermon on the
Sunday man. Check this out now, King David Man, King Salomon Man
was God's favorite King Solomon. KingDavid was a killer, and he was
an adulter, but he was thewisest. Why because he was an honorable
individual and he was all about hischicken. So when they get to reading

(45:01):
this Bible and talk about it,man, tell him to go through beginning
the end, all of it.I feel what I'm saying. So back
to the peace, back to thelove, back to the prosperity. We
need money. Were in a capitalsociety, brother, straight up, you
know what I'm saying. Yeah,I shay, Hey man, great conversation.
Man. You know this drops onMonday, but you was preaching just

(45:21):
then, brouh. You know,you know they say that's my calling.
Man. You know what I'm saying, so you might you know what I'm
saying. I don't know. Theydon't figure it out, man, We're
gonna be preaching on stage in theno no no man. Lord, Lord,
hey man, I'm not gonna callyou say you don't like activists.
I'm gonna call you a leader,leader, visionary, leader, rapper,

(45:43):
real nigga. The reason why Isay the leader, big rich ship,
he gunned the block running. Nextthing, you know, I got indicted.
So that's why I stay away fromcertain names, certain titles. Leader.
I hate trying to add mister,trying to set up no Rico situation.

(46:06):
Man, I'm playing blood, I'mplaying feel more. MIC is a
solid way you feel me. Shoutout the body, Shout out the Kringle,
shout out the chat to you man, Thank you for coming, Man
off top liter sharing with baby heyMan, thank you for coming once again.
Like I said, more power toyou. Hope, Hope, all,
Hope, you and your whole teamprosper Man. You already know that.
From the bottom of my heart,I appreciate you for coming up here.

(46:29):
Man to God, niggas blessed definitely. We ain't never ended the show
with a with a depth to that'sall. I love something new on TIP
I don't know what