Sitdown w/ Mistah Fab

Fillmoe Mike of 106.1 KMEL recently sat down with Mistah Fab on this latest installment of the Wash Ya Back podcast.
Producer/Supervising editor of this episode is Christian Montoya
Media provided by Duarte Productions and E. McGee Photography

Episode Transcript

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We Inside Man, we live ManInside the world famous Uh Watch Your Back
podcast. Man, we got avery very special guest in the Billin,
A lot of special guests in thismotherfucker the night Man. We got missed
the fab in this motherfucker? Mate, what up? What's up? Man?
Watch it back? Buddy? Ohyeah, Man, Yeah, definitely,

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Man, you gotta wash that back. So I must ask man.
You know a lot of people thatcame to the show, A lot of
people Man, very important people,very fixtures from this area, from the
West coast Man. But they allget asked when they first get down,
did you wash your back today?My brother every day, tell you wash
your back? Nigga the show forshow for show, scoot his Mica a

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little bit closer, my brother TellyMackeny Telly mack and and billing. You
know, I like, I like, I love Telly Man. Telly like
to me is a unsung hero ofthis Bay Area of music scene. And
it's like that middle child that getoverlooked. But when you look at their
resume, you see the work thatthey've done. They've definitely got to work.
And I feel like brothers like thisneed the recognition just so they can

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get a chance for people to tunein and look from a different perspective because
they try to always overlook guys likeus man. But Telly represented for the
hard workers guys that's been doing itfor several years. And I remember being
young and seeing him drop records.I was like, damn, that's a
young dude, right, very inspiringand very motivated. So I just wanted
my brother to accompany me tonight,man. And you know, like the

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show man, Telly mag will tellyou may I uh. Telly Mac to
me is, like you said,an unsung hero. To me, he
wanted the best lyricists out of filmon one of the best rappers. Always
came with bars, always laced,it always had the lyrics. You feel
me, So definitely salutes my nigga, Telly Mac. Want to give your
flowers here while you here. Butfaby, man, what's pop and main?

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What's up with you? You gota lot going on? Man,
I'm working, Mike, you know, continuing to work and creative. I'm
stepping into a higher role of leadership, okay. And in that, of
course, I'll always be creative withthe music and do the things of that

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nature. But in my in theevolution of who I am. I'm becoming
more of I'm stepping into this leadershiprole and it's very community based. Okay,
so we're doing the thuugh Therapy sessions. Yeah, I'm seeing that.
The therapy is a mental health wellnessworkshop and DOUG is an acronym correct or,

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teaching, healing, uniting and guiding, organizing several individuals, a lot
of brothers, about three hundred,three hundred and fifty brothers coming out on
any given night, sharing resources,revealing to heal what it is that they've
been going through mentally, spiritually.And it's a beautiful pool pit for us

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to get up there and kind ofhold class whole sermon, to get a
chance to know each other, geta chance to build with each other.
And we're also doing one for thewomen called fly Therapy as well, and
so we run those. You know, that's beautiful. The Dope Air Academy.
Building the school, wow, youknow, building in school where we're
ensuring entrepreneurialism and just creating a curriculumthat's just not based off things that these

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kids won't apply when they get older, right, and we learn about history,
certain things, some of those thingsyou'll never use again after you leave
that classroom. So we want tobe able to bring back in trade school
where we give plumbing and you knowthat, electricians and things of that nature,
where we can give kids a differentcurriculum. You know what I'm saying.
Yeah, I mean I look atit like I was telling you,

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like, uh, I'm produced fora street soldiers. One of the things
they talk about, like the kidsneed new curriculum. It's kind of dated,
you know what I'm saying. Theytalking about stuff that, like you
said, will never use. Iwill love to see. I would.
I want to know, like whatsome of the things in there. It's
gonna be credit, credit repair orcredit uh, knowledge and management, things

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like that nature. Definitely financial literacyto financial literacy than you So through the
financial literacy, economical empowerment, communitydevelopment, and social skills understanding. You
know, the dichotomy of where oursocial atmosphere and social hemisphere has a lot
to do with what's going on,because unfortunately, many of us are products
of our environment. So our perspectiveis only based in our environment. And

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if you take a child and youput them outside of his environment, then
he'll be at so a culture shocknot realizing that everywhere it's just not like
his ghetto. It's like, damn, this is oh, y'all not y'all
not selling drugs, y'all not bipping, y'all, not robbing. And you
take that child out of that environmentand you put them in a sustainable environment
and allow him to just be creative, and you'll be in You'll get a

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chance to see how brilliant these childrenare. So that's what we're doing,
man. We're doing bringing back intothe mentorship programs and those mentorship where I'm
challenging and asking friends, peers,colleagues, influencers to go into their neighborhoods
and go start, you know,grab some of these young kids, man,
go sponsor four or five kids,man, and then let's bring them
all. Let's have these these men'smeetings and these women's meetings where we're bringing

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the kids that we're mentoring and showingthem a different light and watch how much
change begins to happen and we becomereflective of new environments. So all of
that is going on in an academy, man, as well as allowing the
children to be who they are,you know, and if we're not allowing
these kids to be who they are. Then we'll lose them, right,

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we'll lose them. You know,the Minister Fair concept is important that we
meet people where they are and thenmeeting them there. Some of these some
people don't take that extra step andthe extra initiative to go meet these kids
where they are, and that's whywe losing a lot of our youth because
there's nobody there to be a crutch, There's nobody there to be a shoulder,

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there's nobody there to be an ear. Everybody is pointing fingers and judging
facts. So you know, I'mtaking it upon. Like I say,
as I'm stepping into these leadership roles, I'm understanding what I'm up against,
but I'm willing to do it becausethis is what you know, has been
bestowed upon my mind and my heartto thoroughly do. What prompt did that?
What did it come from? Wasit a gradual like you know,

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you realize realization that okay, Ineed to do this more or is it
just you woke up one day andit was just like, you know what,
I'm on this now, But becauseI kind of seen you, you
know, I'm annoying you for years, but it's like you go through your
little periods and times. Right nowyou seem super focused on, like you
said, community work. There's nevera wrong time to do the right thing,

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straight to fuck up, you know. And unfortunately people always try to
pick and choose when they wanted todo the right thing. And it's sad
because as an influencer, there's onlya certain amount of time that you on
stage. Man, And what Imean by that is when your influence is
at a level of a pay midthis, you're at a peak. You're

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you're at a peaking point and you'reclimaxing. And then that as you will
sin your climaxing whatever it is thatyou're you're spewing, they're picking up.
Let's talk about it. In myheyday, when we were doing music,
I did a song called Shabuba LahBooby right, and it was actually a
bet. We was in the studioand it was me and Keith and I

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don't think I've ever told this story, but it was me and Kick the
Sneak. We was in the studio. We was at the Savage Dragon studio
in San Leandro, and I said, Bro, we popping so hard right
now, Bro, you can sayanything, Bro, I said, bro,
you can say anything, and they'regonna be like, oh, that
go crazy for real. So ifI if you listen to the song,
I'm kind of like hitting I'm I'mactually I'm making a mockery of it because

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I'm like, I bet you Icould make you say shah booh blah booby.
So I was actually just joking,like, I bet you I can
make you say anything. And thatjust goes to show how high our level
of influence was at that time,where a person can make you say anything,
and so realizing that and reflecting onthat as you get older, you
say, if I get a chanceto regain that level of influence for the

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same things that I did in thatregards, I'm going to go fight ten
times harder to utilize my influence tocome back into the community and build.
There's something way more important, somethingthat's lasting, something that means something,
something that the seeds that I plantI may not reap the benefits of.
That's the true measure of one's characteris if I'll garden for you and never

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get a chance to eat from thatgarden and still find happiness in that.
That's my dedication. Some of theseeds that we may plant be we may
not ever get a chance to seewhat they do in this lifetime, but
in lifetimes if change comes right,may my soul be held grace. Definitely,
I definitely don't want to you feelme disregard Shahboobu Laboopie and mentros and

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chirpers and ship you feel us fromclassics. But at the same time,
I'm definitely feeling what you said becauseit all makes sense. You feel me
because right now your influence is it'snot as at that peak, because we're
gonna talk about all that shit becauseyou back at kbel you had this motherfucker
right now it's to watch your backpodcast. We see here with Faby Davis

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Junior. He's had a long historicuh not a rivalry but like a situationship
with Cameo and the radio. Sowe're gonna get all of that. We're
gonna get into all of that shit. But I just wanted to say,
based on what you just told me, basically, was that we come back

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around to you, to you justdoing your thing and you not on the
same level that you were, butyou still popping. You still got hell
of shit going for yourself. Yougot the Dope air line. Like you
said, you're doing your community work. You seem like you're prepping yourself to

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run for office or something. Man, you try to be a mayor of
the city, and you try tobe a senator impact change. Whatever I
do with the influence, I wantto be able to utilize it for the
greater good of our people. Asyou said, I may not be musically
at that level, but I'm fargreater than I was at that age.
I think so, being twenty three, twenty four and living with out of

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care, there's only so much Andif your influence is popularity based, if
you're driving it off that you know. But where I'm at mentally and where
I'm at spiritually, I'm far greaterthan what I was at that age,
and utilizing how to properly implement myinfluence so much greater. So, but

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without that, I wouldn't be whoI am now. Right as we talk
about I'm pretty sure we're going toget into, you know, the radio,
politics and things in my youth,and I shy away from nothing.
I shy away from none of thosethings, nor neither am I ashamed of
any of that that I've done inmy past. From the music, from
the content, from the context,and there's no there's no regrets. I

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feel like in life, when wedo see the regrets, we study them
and we learned them. We learnthem, and those lessons propel us into
being who we are. And soI do believe that there are regrets in
life. You know, maybe thereare some things that when you sit back
and you say, damn, Iwish I could have did this a little
bit different, But be glad thatyou didn't because it took you down a

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road that made you learn some things. It made you who you are.
It's been a rigorous role for me. You said on the on your on
your story today, you said,heavy on the accountability, learning to face
what I've defaced. What do youwhat did you mean by that? Explain
that for me, kind of goback what you just said. We talk

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about all right, So when wecome up, we are so influenced by
the poisons. We look up tothe pimps, we look up to,
the drug dealers, we look upto the gangsters, we look up to
the killers. We look up towe look up to all of the poisons
that have defaced our communities. Man, you know, a small smart story

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of son of a Pimp my album, I have son of him wanting son
of a Pimp too, and I'mso proud going into making this album.
You know, son of a pemMy Daddy was a pim my daddy had,
and I'm so happy at that untilyou have a six year old that
says daddy was a pimp and wasgranddaddy a pimp? Hitting you with the

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real ship. And now you haveto act answer this question to a six
year old defending your father's exist man, defending your braggadocious approach to why you're
so happy about being a son ofa bim And then it begins to make
you analyze and and terrograte interrogate whatit is that you're so proud of.

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Hit Different, you know what I'msaying, So old or more mature,
hit different. A lot of thingsthat we defaced. There was once more
upon a time in my life whereI was very manipulative. Well, I
would utilize somebody else's vulnerabilities and Iwould use that as access to prey on
their insecurities and manipulate them. Verymanipulative, looking for an easy way to

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extract what it is that I wantedfor someone for self individual reasons. These
days now it's more like motivational.Instead of seeing that same girl who I
probably would have tried to pimp onto get something from, I want to
let her know, just cover up, cover up, handle yourself a little
bit different. Same that you're doingfor that way, you could use it

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for this right, And that's life. You know. If if you continue
to keep doing the same thing,man, that's insanity. So how long
can we continue to keep nitpicking ateach other or continue to keep glorifying the
poisons that have defaced our communities?Everything that we talk about is the reason
why our community is in the shapeof s in in You know what I'm

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saying here, it is we talkbad about the drug dealers, I mean
the drug users, but we praisethe drug dealers. They both addicted to
dobor right, you get like,but but we don't. We don't look
at life like don't like that becauseyou see one nigga getting money and you
see another nigga broke using on dough, you're like that And that's how people
look at it. Like when youdeal with like youngsters, all they give

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a fuck about, like, bro, who are you? They praise.
They praising the bad bad like youcould be. That was the nigga nobody
cares about. I don't care aboutthere. It is this brother could be
going to school, going to becomea lawyer or doctor, and they like
a nigga, you have square,But they'll be looking at the dude that's
for setting himself up to go tojail. We'll get more love for the

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dude that gets out of jail thanthe dude that gets out of college.
So our whole mind and our wholeperspective has been warped into thinking that the
poisons should be praised. The niggacome home like, oh yeah, my
niggas got out of jail doing eighteenyears, they'd be like, oh,
bro, that's big. What's sobig about that? You're a failed criminal?
Right, ignorant? You're somebody thathas failed in life and for your

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eighteen years and not laughing at him, my brother, give the jail thirty
years, but you're failed criminal.There's no reward for that. But when
you say it like that, areyou square? Are you that nigga stood
up thirty years for what thirty yearsof his life wasted for criminal indulgence you're
not gonna glorify, but we glorifythat. Meanwhile, this sister or this

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brother got four degrees, will ontwo degrees. And we've been like to
ask scrash nigga think he's better thaneverybody else. Our minds are warped.
And then we'll rob that nigg forsure, right for sure, or we'll
say free my nigga, and whenhe come home, we'll put him back
in a position to go right backto gym. And so when somebody talks
about this it's crazy. We couldgo sit down with every week you something

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simple and this might rub people thewrong way, but we'll sit up and
watch the Jeffrey Dahmer stuff on Netflixand say, oh, that nigga was
crazy. But we know a serialkiller in our neighborhood. We know a
nigga that got five six bodies rightnow, But that's bruh, Oh,
that's my nigga, right that brhThat a fool, That nigga's a serial

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killer, right seriously, But we'renot gonna but nobody gonna talk about it
like that because you're a square assnigga. You acting like you ain't from
the hood. I know exactly whereI'm from, and I know exactly where
I'm from. Why it got methinking like this, what do acknowledge yourself
mean to you? Understanding your wrongs, Understanding what you once have participated in,

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learning who you are, learning whatyou are, and utilizing that as
a stepping stone to become a betterversion of yourself got you. Because knowledge
without application is just information. Wemust understand that. That's a bore.

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Knowledge without application, it's just information. I can give you all the knowledge
in the world, but if youdon't apply it, you just know a
lot of stuff. And then evenall of those three components without understanding,
we have nothing because if you don'thave an understanding of what you have become
knowledgeable about, then there's no comprehension. So you just have variables that are

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lost. What's your biggest regret?Because you were just talking about weak bride,
because it's crazy, because you sowhen I first heard about you,
Rest in peace to my Nigga Rubenlewis Rube, he was a hooper and
you was battling motherfuck it. Restin peace to uh what's elski killer keys?

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Y'all was ballid against each other,right, and then we heard y'all.
Viol was up here blad y'alls ona Friday night and y'all was going
naddy and that's how I heard aboutit. He was like, Bro,
that's my nigga, that's my nigga, miss a fab So that's the first
time I heard about you. Soat ya. It was crazy. You
were from that maybe like you.And then I remember you had came back

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to the station. You you waspromoting nig Latin violence. You back on
you feel me you was pushing thenig latin. I think I didn't know
Gary at the time, but legendary, legendary Gary was up here pushing a
hard line for you. And thenall of a sudden, bruh, you
came with a fucking hit, supersick with it? Was it? Super

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sick yet super sick with? Youcame out of nowhere and like you said,
you dropped. You were dropping whateverthe fuck you wanted you and Tito
Bell was touring all over. Isthat your biggest regret making songs like Boo
Boopy when you feel like you couldhave made more of a a more intellectual
impact on society at the time,Is that one of your biggest regrets?

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Or you tell me not at all. Okay, I love those records.
Those records were a reflection of thetimes that we were living in. You
know, those records were they weredope club excited, great energy. We
were able to talk about the stuffthat we were actually doing, being young
kids out there having fun, beingat the side show, and those were

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fun times. I'll never regret thoserecords were very exciting. But what you
have to learn is that you haveto learn to put candy into medicine.
Okay. So if it was memaking songs like that, to be able
to go get a microphone to talkin front of two thousand kids, that

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was great because when I when Ispoke in front of those kids, I
never talked about those songs that influenceat the time. Gave me a chance
to get to them. And sometimesyou have to do that. You have
to speak their language. As Isaid, you have to meet people where
they are. The beauty of brotherslike Malcolm x Man was they knew the

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language, they knew how to talkjive, they knew slick talk, they
knew and then he learned the languageof the world of being commutative, being
able to communicate with all walks oflife and that gave him a special ability,
that gave him an ability that noone had. So if I was
using those songs and once I gotthat crowd, I always spewed words of

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wisdom. They'll tell you that'll takeyou back from being being a kid.
I've always spewed that. But nowI don't have to do that dance anymore.
Like I don't. I don't haveto come up to to watch your
Back podcast with Jerry on to sella image to you. I don't have

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to do that more. Like I'mcomfortable with who I am, like you
know what I mean, and I'mand to my brothers that are still in
that mode, that's nothing knocking it. It's just where I am at.
I don't. I don't have todo that no more. And I feel
like at that time I was marketingan image to be able to get them
to see what I was doing.The plan has always been to to teach,

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to help, to build, tolearn, but sometimes you have to
penetrate how you have to penetrate it. Nah, I got you on that
one. We sitting here with mewith mister Fab aka Faby Davis Junior on
the Washerback Podcast. Man's film onmic and as motherfucker. Let's talk about
the hyphe movement? What did thehyphee movement mean to you? And kind

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of like what do you think itdid for your career? Put me in
position that I hadn't been yet.Stalin always say all I need, all
I need is one. This ismy Ja Stalin voice. All you need
is one mic. You get thatwith you know how fuck with a k
Frank Like you get that one.Till Frank he get that one, He'll
eat for life. You had likeseven nigga records. I had a lot

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of records. Man, I lovedit. Man I could tell I loved
it based off the fact of becauseit was organic. You know, we
live in times where before you go, can I say this one thing?
Fab and Tito Bell was so different. They like the regular nigga like you
know we was. I was withquidd best. The niggas come out with
some hood shit. Faby was aheadof his time. He was like giving

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you a show. And then it'scrazy because your ship would build. One
time I see you got like youalready got two or three songs. Next
time you got more songs. Youadding songs like play this to you playing
rock songs. Your power was crazy. I just have to say that before
I I forget sometime, but goahead. I'm sorry. We did a
great thing. We put on goodshows, y'all did. Tito Bell was

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a a hell of a DJ,very charismatic, great energy. I love
that kid till this day. Andwe went out and put on the show
every night. And as you say, the sets got larger. It went
from you got five minutes, yougot nine minutes, got thirteen minutes,
got twenty minutes. We need anhour out you So in that time it

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was like, damn, we gotto really put on a show. So
me and him would sit up.How can we go out and put on
a good show? But it wasbeautiful, man like we had fun Mike
like what people people will say,this is hip hop for you. And
my brother Maine said this man,my brother main event man, Many was
telling me something that was very funny. He say, will not gorilla,

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you know thera costa man norilla manlike? He said something like hip hop
said they didn't want no studio gangsters. But then when Will Smith and mc
hammer was being themselves, they gotdissed. Like you know what I'm saying,
like, here's hip hop saying,don't be a studio gangster ber but

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you got a Will Smith coming out, you got a hammer coming out.
I man, nigga's corny, Soso what do you want me to be
the exactly? Damn if I do, damn if I don't. So during
the hype movement when people started backlashingit, the backlash of it was,
oh man, that ship corny,that this, this is, this is
that right, and all of thosecame from because it wasn't working for them.

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They were failing and so the interviewalgot ye, they tried it,
it didn't work for them, andthen the greatest thing that they can do
is talk bad about it. Andnow that them talking bad about it,
you get people like me who it'sworking for. I'm flourishing. But now
all that nigga corny, that niggais see this, how is he corny

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went? If he was sitting uplining about how many niggas he shot,
that'd be cool, Like that's tome, that would have been cornier.
So here it is, you keepingit. I'm a kid. I'm talking
about the side show. We wasat the side show, asked anybody that
was outside of show that was atside shows. We talked about getting kicked
out the club. We was themyoung dudes coming fifty deep to the club

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getting kicked out. Like you knowwhat I'm saying. We so you know,
we we we talk about all thethings fatty haddy right here, them
dudes was I was a young dudemess picking me up every day. These
is like these. I'm in Filmoevery day as a kid. So we
outside we were watching this. Sowhat do you want me to What do
you want me to talk? Right? Like, you know what I'm saying.

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I can only be me, mynigga, What do you want me
to talk about? So now thatI'm corny for being the voice. So
I never I never understood that backlash, but I never allowed it to make
me become the bitter individual. Itold them, hey, man, I
was happy with what I was doing, and I was happy what we accomplished.
With what we did, I gota chance to go all around the

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world. Bro, you know whatI'm saying. I went all around the
world, man. I went toplaces that I could only dream of.
I had fun, met people.I became a spokesman for this area.
And when that voice was muted,you begin to see the difference when my
voice was muted, you begin tosee you begin to see it fizzle out.

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Yeah, And I'm not saying thatI was the only voice that was
keeping us afloat, but I wasthe new voice. I was the fresh
voice. I was the voice thathad an ability to articulate what we were
actually doing my lived experience. Doyou think people was afraid of that because
you were who you were, andyou did what you did, and you

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did have that influence, but likea lot of our rappers, they necessarily
couldn't communicate the way that you knewknow how to communicate very you know,
preacher like. Do you think that'sone of the reasons why you got backlash
from the radio? Cameo included,There's a multitude of reasons. For me

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to put it all on somebody else'sinsecurities or them feeling threatened, that would
be very egotistical of me, becausethat would be void of my involvement of
the things that I did to leadto that. What do you think was
the main thing the rift? Ithink the rift came from being a young
guy who felt as if, hereI am, how can you do this

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to me? Right? If you'rein the jungle, you're not accept because
you feel like you're Tarzan, oryou feel like you're Tarzan. Ass could
get bit too, like you knowwhat I'm saying, Tarzan. He may
have a great he may be therhino whisper, or he may be the
lion whisper. But you know it'sit's there are animals and creatures out there

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that like fuck Tarzan. I don'tfuck with Tarzan. So sometimes Tarzan feels
like, oh, I'm the kingof the jungle. I can do anything.
I can swing on any vine,I can talk to any snake.
And when you're young, you're arrogant, you have your walking with like them.
I can do no wrong. AnythingI'm doing. I'm making records like
I hed h. You know whatI'm saying, We get money. I
just signed with Atlantic Records. Sometimesyour arrogance can be you can slight people,

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and you can slight people just basedoff who you are. And I'm
not telling anyone to dim their light. Don't dim your light, but be
mindful, right, you know,be mindful of that. So I'm not
gonna act like I didn't do anythingwrong. I probably I probably did slight
some people I probably did, youknow, but those are beautiful things and
it led to what it led to, and it just made me stronger and

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smarter if you did know people.This motherfucker had his own radio show recent
pieces hot Chocolate. What's his producer? H mister fab had a radio show
not even now he forgot about that. Matt was my rating. Man,
I think Hot Chocolate was on CAMEO. Well, I thought Hot Chocolate used
to send Oh he was doing fortyye Magic Matt. That's right, Magic

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Matt, Magic Matt one time.He's still here too. What was delicious
this this what was his name?The other guy that was a delicious d
something like that. It was weird. I forgot me and Magic Mat Magic
Matt was was my producer, MagicMatt and and Jeff. We actually did
some We did our show. Wasthe number one shows? Said that I

(29:26):
did? He said that I hadthe number one show. I did.
I have the number one show,and you can go back and you can
fact check it. But uh,I mean, this is transparency. This
is years later. Man. Youknow, me and Vin talked now set
up and at the time Vin explainedto me something that was it wasn't clear
to me then because I didn't getit. But when you get older,

(29:48):
you understand what it is and theconversation you know. Me and Vin's relationship
was like drum line and I wasNick Cannon, where I may not have
knew how to read music, butI was a hell of a musician.
I didn't know how to read code, but I could play them drums exceptionally
well. And I may not havebeen technical with the ex'es and o's,

(30:11):
but him as a man leader,he was more so like I want to
get you to become this version.But even in his tutelage, maybe he
didn't have an ability to articulate thatthat well. And he probably was like
dude, he was younger too.He was younger as well, like you
dope, We know you dope.Man. You okay, your average is
somebody else's greatness, and you gotthat. You good, But why you're

(30:37):
flaunting it in a level where you'remaking me interrogate what it is that I'm
doing. And so here it is, I go get a radio show same
time that you're on, on yourbiggest slot, and now these ratings I'm
threatening. After I leave radio,I can go back and do music if
I put the ratings in the levelwhere now and I'm so threatening that you

(31:00):
lose your job. Now you're like, damn, bro, I just lost
my job because you wanted to comeover and do some radio stuff when you
could have went and did joor likeyou didn't have to do that. And
it wasn't saying that, oh damn, I can't do radio because you doing
radio. It's just at the timewhat I had to get back and realize
radio is all he had at thatmoment. And now if you're coming in,

(31:23):
then you have to deal with thefact of now your competition. You're
not just fab the rapper no more. You're fabbed the radio personality that's going
up against my show on the latenight And if your ratings are better than
mine, you're damn there risking memy job. So I have to respond
in the way that I have toreporting accordingly. So maturity allows me to
see it through that Len got you, you know what I mean. And

(31:45):
those are the things that you getcaught up in the crossfire of radio politics.
And I had to learn firsthand,and it cost me about fourteen fifteen
years and millions of dollars. Butwhat I've lost in that I've gained in
spirituality and the mental knowledge, wisdomand comprehension as well as understanding. That's
what's up man? Uh, filmon Mike here we got mister fab and

(32:07):
the billing. I want to getto some things, uh talk about like
some music ship or just like howwould like like just just diving the hell
of different categories? Uh? Workingwith the jacka my favorite rapper. Yeah,
that's my favorite rapper still to thisday. Dope as fuck. Like

(32:29):
I got the Jack tatted on myarm, like oh wow, like I
love I love the Jack. Yeah. Man, the Jack bless his spirit,
his legacy, his kids, It'sbeautiful mother, his sister, and
everybody else that had contributed to youknow, him making music And Jack was
just Jack? Was that to me? Yeah? You know what I mean?

(32:52):
And it's crazy because when I getasked the question about people say we're
stuff like who did you love more? Mac Trader? Jack? And I
don't. I don't think you know? Who do you love more? Is
not the necessary you know that becauseI love both of those guys. Both
of those guys were very influenceidal inmy life. But I was like Dre

(33:17):
Dying was like your uncle dying.It's like, damn my God, like
that's you know what I'm saying,that's my man. Jack dying was like
your brother dying. Man, Likewhat I'm saying. Yeah, So it
hit a little different. And Ididn't get a chance to spend as much
time as with Drey as I didJack, right, Like you know what

(33:39):
I'm saying. Me and Jack weresuper super duper close. I kind of
met Dre on the tail end ofthings, So I didn't get a chance
to spend that And did you kindof think with Dre And because you were
younger, you kind of think like, man, I'm gonna be with Dray
for it for granted exactly. Wetalked about that earlier. Exactly. We
talked about, You're in the studiowith this guy every day and we only

(34:02):
have one song together, because youwouldn't you just like this Drake like everything
is loved, like he feel me. I got all day to do records
with Dre, like you know whatI'm saying. And and so that's why
I say, Bro's it's very welive in times where, bro, you
have to be very embracive to thosethat you love and let them know not

(34:24):
only do you love them, butif you see them going down the crash
course, do whatever you can toprevent them from doing that, because we
need to save as many minds andsouls as we have to prepare ourselves for
what we're up against. We're upagainst a lot of stuff, and so
as musicians, Man, I justwish that. You know, that's a
big regret not doing records with Dre. I wish we could have did more

(34:46):
records, you know what I'm saying. But hell yeah, But like Jack
Man, recording with Jack was alwaysamazing, Bro. He was always dope.
I was just sitting in a studioand just watching work and be like,
damn, this nigga's so dope tome. And then being on the
road, like I said, Igot a chance to go to Europe with
Jack. I got chanced to goto several different countries and see the jack

(35:07):
of that a lot of people didn'tget a chance to see, you know,
catching him in prayer, watching himand meditation, watching him and and
his truest, purest form a comedianoff time and man, just a good
guy man man, And I oftenthink of him a lot, man because
uh, as I say, Man, I just wish that the world would
have got a chance to get itto know him like many of us got

(35:30):
a chance to know, right andthen can you I'm trying to remember because
I remember Chuck would always tell me. I think he would tell me about
this trip to Seattle and everybody likeit was like it was Hella Bayar,
he cat. They just they withthe Seattle. Can you just tell me
about that, because I think yougot that famous picture with you and Dre

(35:52):
on stage. I think that's it. That's not okay. I always asked
you that always. What was thepool haul around here in the TLS back
in the day off of Eddie Street. What was that? What was that?
You remember that it was a poolright there, right there, right
there? So that was that,Billie. Yeah. But so a lot

(36:13):
of people when they you know,when when you go back in history and
certain people that was there are certainpeople that may not been there, they
rewrite history to how they go likeyou know what I'm saying. So people
like, yeah, he's on tourwith Dre. We actually were on tour
with Nicotina. Okay, So itwas a Nicotina tour got you and we
was up in Seattle and it was. It was like the whole Bay Car

(36:35):
Bro like bro when Hustler quinn,I mean mac mall, Keith, little
Bruce, uh a Doobie, I'mtalking PSD. It was everybody, everybody
right. None of us are youknow, none of us are like superstar

(37:00):
that it's Nicotinas, Mac Dre youknow Jack of course. My figure is
you know, a huge up therein Seattle. And then the trickle down
of you know, Okay, yougot yours, you got yours. You
call okay, we know you,we know you. You ain't really hurt
of you. Okay, we knowyou. But we're staying at the Howard
Johnson. We had the Howard Johnson. Bro. I'm like, Dre,

(37:22):
where you going? Like, Igot a room, hire goody, I
can be around here with you.You need to Savage, what do you
want to come to the high Igot about two hundred dollars in my pocket.
You feel me. I'm I'm hurtingfor certain and uh He's like,
hoddy, we I'm finna go tothirteen coins to go get some needs.
You coming? So I jump in, Chuck jumping in the front seat.

(37:45):
We're just talking, Chuck plotting,you know, because Chuck is at the
time doing promotion and parties and stuff. So he's like trying to throw big
parties out here. And excuse me, I apologize, not trying to throw.
He's throwing throwing the gun Deal's partyhe's doing. He's setting up the
record release party at Mission Rock,Mission Rock for Dre and Dan a franc

(38:07):
that We're just riding around. Werewatching cartoons and were listening in the Pink
Floyd. I don't know what itis. We're watching South Warfare and uh
we watched. We listened in thePink Floyd and I'm in the backseat whin
a g wagon and we just talking. It's the first time I hit a

(38:29):
backwood and uh, he like,Cutty, you know how to roll the
back wood? Cuddy. I'm like, I'm like, if it's like rolling
the blood, I know to roller. He's like, no, Cuddy,
I like, Cuddy, this ismy last wood, Cuddy. Trust of
you, Cuddy man. So theygive it to me. Give me hello,

(38:52):
wei, bro, you give medamn there like an eighth I'm like,
bro, you want to roll alllist And it's like, Cuddy,
do not roll one of them skinnythings you be smoking on Cuddy. All
of the weed in there. Cuddy, I'm rolling the wad in the back.
See him and Chuck talking. Wesend him my twisted at one one.
I'm like this cool. He's like, he's like, all right,
cut it. He's like fired up. I'm like, oh no, I

(39:14):
don't fuck it. Would He like, Cuddy, you roll it, you
smoke it off. He was like, I'm not smoking it if you don't
hit it first. I don't knowwhat you got going on. Back then
cracking j right, He's like,I get the lighter. He's like,
but before you hit it, Cuddy, don't hit it like a swisher cut
You're gonna pay for it. It'slike my whole chest blue, like Nigga

(39:43):
fired on me, whole chest caveand he like, Cuddy, I told
you, Cuddy. He's cracking up. He's like, you could he give
me my weed? CD he foryou dropping me, man, I'm talking
about the wood hit me, killedme right boo. I'm like, oh
he pulled over. Cuddy, can'ttake I can't breathe right, Cutty rolling

(40:04):
window down. Let's start adding inallow ship. So we're in there cracking
up, Chuck dying, you know, Chuck don't smoke or nothing. Chuck
Dying He like he like, Cuddy, you can't do this, Cuddy.
It's like it's like old as youAnywayddy. So that ship was just funny,

(40:27):
man, It's just just crazy memories. Man. Dude was crazy like
dudes like really our Snoop Dogg man, Like he wished the world would have
got a chance to really get adrift of Dre. Man. Drey was
charismatic out this world crazy just likejust pure natural energy. Just a man,
just a great dude. Man.I'm just you know, I'm very

(40:51):
thankful even for because you got itthat little but you kind of like a
piece of that connection. You knowwhat I'm saying, Like when people like
you knew Matt Dre, you knowwhat I'm saying, Like that's a big
deal. You know what I'm saying, Like we idolized Macdree out here in
the bay like all of those brothers. Like but you know the connections with
Jack, Yeah, with Dre,Like with Tracks a Million, that was

(41:13):
just finna go to him right there. I was just going to go in
to him, like working with Tracksa Million when y'all put that together of
the track that y'all did show sideshow that's the biggest record that is.
I think, Wow, that's crazy. But that was like another ahead of
his time track just came. Itcame about we was at the Ambassador's lounge.

(41:35):
Wow, and he would tracks Ameliawould walk around with his shirt that
said a track Simlion he did andthis is like doing the Super Highy this
is But did people know? Ithink remember because remember when Super Highvy came
out with do You Tell Me?A lot of people thought it was Ea
skill on the beat most definitely,because nobody had knew who tracks a man

(41:58):
right exactly and then so they willtart. We were trying to find out
and remember videos were so expensive backthen. Everybody wasn't shooting videos. So
and then we didn't have you know, the social media and like we do
now to be able to put uhfaces the names, and so we didn't
know. So Tracks a Million wouldjust be in the club with his you

(42:20):
know, with his tracks million shirton, and he'd be going up to
folks like, man, man,I'm tracks million, I do beats man,
Let me give a BCD. Andhe saw me and I'm like,
tracks, whats something? Man?When we gonna do something, bro,
that is you too? He like. He's like, oh fabious, good
Bro, I'm going to Knicks afterthis. So it's going to official studios
and he's like, man, I'mgonna go to next right after we leave
here, he's like, bro,see if you could bring short, bro,

(42:45):
that'd be big. I'm like,oh, man, you know,
let me see, let me letme see what he going. Man.
I'm like, if there's gonna besome business up there, right, what's
my favorite word, short, I'mcoming if you're gonna get some miss up
So he like, uh, He'slike yeah, it's gonna be lit.

(43:07):
So we get over there. Hecalled me like, uh, like Bru's
bitches over here. The probably waslike only like one broad over there right
at the time we get over there. All the girls from the Ping Poodle
over there by the time we getthere. So I'm like, come on,
Pops. I'm like, pop,So let's go to the studio.
He's like, man, there's bitchesover there. I'm like yeah, man,

(43:28):
you're all right, come on.We end up going to the studio
and tracks first Bead play Wow Hardand I'm like, oh that was the
first beat. This hard I'm like, oh, think I'm at the side
show. You're like, what's that. I'm like, oh, I'm just
freestand I'm like he's like gonna laythat. So I laid its short,

(43:52):
like oh this hard. That shipwas so hard. And then years later
Tracks told me he was like,you know that was Cassie beat. He's
like, I just replayed the Castiebeat. I was like what beat?
It was like between me and whatwas that Cassie? So yeah, whatever

(44:15):
tell you that and if you Iwas like, bro, that is uh
it is. I just added throughit and uh that it was crazy.
He added to it. That wasit? That would Yeah, man,
Tracks is uh going too soon?Special Tracks is a person I really like
to consider a friend. Yeah,super humble. Yeah yeah, Like he

(44:39):
was like a man. Dude wasdifferent. Man. Dude was was such
a great, great individual. Likeit was like you know what I'm saying,
Like he was one of them differentdudes. Bro, he was I
know what you mean. I meanI was cool with Tracks and I got
cool with him trying to trying tofind some beats for Quenn for him,

(45:02):
and he was just so like downto earth and always ready to work,
like he'll always be like, Bro, let's work, let's go, let's
do Let's go to the studio.Tell Queen to pull up. I remember
one time we was trying to geta beat for Quinn from Rick Rock.
We tried to get the beat fromRick Rock. Rick Rock kept holding the

(45:23):
beat for whatever reason. He wouldn'tgive up the beat, but we had
the song, so we told wejust sold tracks Me like, Bro,
just remake the beat, don't makethe same beat, just kind of like
keep the sound and shit. Sohe was willing to do it. Bro
Tracks millions was always ready to work. But the last text message like I'm

(45:44):
trying to find it, like andit just kind of defines who Tracks a
million is the person he is,like Buckle tracks and like our last text
message was something like okay boom exceptto twenty if. I said, I'm
just checking on you. He said, Man, it's been a roller coaster
for me, but I'm pushing throughit. I'm like, uh, I'm

(46:07):
like, Bro, he had sendme a picture. I'm like, man,
I ain't really feeling too good,yeah, I said, he said,
And I got a doctor's appointment aroundnine and I'll be back. I'm
like Okay, I'm gonna deliver yousome like I had said, some groceries
doing at the house. He hadmoved downtown and I had dropped some groceries
off at the house for him,you know, because it was just like

(46:29):
he was having trouble, you know, moving around and second and nobody kind
of knew what level he was atat that time. But I would see
him frequently because he lived right downthe street from the Dope Air Store,
and in that I would be likehe would be riding his bike and I
would notice like chance was up,Like he never talked about it to nobody,

(46:49):
and he was just I'm like,what you need, I bro,
send me some milk, some water, some eggs. And it wasn't that
he was hurting financially, It's justhis mobility had been all altered. Got
you and fuck cancer? Yeah,man, that's just serious. A real
real friend of mine, man,And so like the tracks was, you
know, his son is rapping down, his son is super dope. I'm

(47:14):
just trying to keep the memory alive. Man. That kind of really affected
people like PK that yeah, youknow, everybody that p K kind of
like has helped and the great thingsfor his past, he lost his best
friend, both of them, right, and Tracks, It's tough man.
My new album, I got arecord with Jack and Tracks, Okay,

(47:36):
and that's like, I think thefirst time that they've ever both wrapped on
the record. Okay. Wow.Yeah, people that a lot of people
don't know Tracks Million was busting Rise. He was like my favorite bust around.
Tracks was dope. Man. Peopledon't know that Tracks were from the
New Jersey. That's right, youknow. Tracks was like a real hip
hop head man. So yeah,man, I mean, not not even
to try to, you know,somber up the moment, man, but

(47:57):
those two dudes. Man. Ofcourse, when you go down memory lane
and you're beginning, you know,you're saddened by the fact of and we're
still here, and you kind offeel like survivor's guilt a little bit,
but recognizing their greatness and continuing tokeep their memories alive. Man, that's
what That's what the beauty of youknow, music is about, man,
So we're gonna always keep it livingfor them too. Hey. One of
the things that helps when you dopodcasts is when people say ship about other

(48:22):
people. So I'm gonna say askyou too. I mean you two names
and you just say especially got FattyD, got my Nigga of mo and
and Billy Big Moe in here.Tell me something about Shan Tea and Messy
Moore. I talked to Shanty thismorning. Wow, legend e PA's own

(48:46):
big shout out to Eva bing otherbrothers out there in Eva. He's still
in the A right, Yeah,he's in a A man, Shahan is.
My message to him was I saidthis this morning. I said,
Bro, can we do an albumtogether? Bro? You can keep seventy
thirty for real though, it waslike, it ain't about the money.
I just want to work with you. Man, my favorite, your favorite

(49:07):
producer for sure. Man. Helike he's like, let's do a little
bro. I'm gonna shoot you somethingtoday that's hard. And so I just
text him at seven forty eight todaylike niggam in the studio all night and
go to the beat straight up.Shaan Tea is like, man, Shawn
Tea is so dope because it waslike at the time when we thought that

(49:30):
Mess was getting beats from like battleCat, we thought Mess was getting beats
from like you know, Red WreckingDoctor Drey. All those times we thinking
Mess was getting beats from he likeWe're like, oh this is he like,
this is that battle cat ship alittle like you know me, that's
coming to get me. I'm ayoung nigga, so I'm just you're like,
yeah, this mess to say anything, especially you know, he got

(49:52):
the mic. He going crazy likethis ship is like that battle this that
doctor Drason. My nigga is hardup all of the politics and all this
ship. It's me. It's fattyAddy, It's it's a wild Bill,
It's looch these all of you feelme. This's the coalition at the time,
back in the day, Like youfeel me. We all just sliding
around. Mess got the van.Uh, he got the old white van.

(50:14):
Remember the white van. We ina van and we just this.
I think we push it in likethug politics or something at the time.
I can't remember what the album itwas the Flag, Yeah, with the
flag with the bandada and the Americanmandana and uh, we had the all
Night Mark. We had the barbecuespot on third this one when moms and
we had the barbecue spot. Sothe whole time he like, yeah,

(50:37):
this slap right here a little sothe beach knocking hell a far so then
we go to Hayward. One day, we go to uh we go to
Shane Tea house and he played oneof the beats. I'm like, He's
like, I don't think I gotno status at this time. I'm a

(50:57):
young nigga. I'm just about He'sjust sitting back just right with you know.
Mess used to just like riding withthe young niggas. That kept him
fresh. He did, he didyeah slang. He got him. You
know, he's just hella laugh andhe looked up to him. We idolized
him, and it was like,nigga, you know you're the dude.
We we went through whatever movement withyou. And I told Shanty I think

(51:21):
one of those I said, Man, one day we're gonna do music together.
Man, like you be rapping alittle bro. I'm like, manifested
some ship. Sure, man.So with both of those guys, man,
I mean, you know, regardless, people see Mess nowadays and they
look at an opportunity to kick himwhite down. And Mess was a dude
that was very influential, and there'sno denying that at one point in time,

(51:43):
MESSI might have been the hottest artistin California, like I'm talking about
and at least from Fresno up andwe say from Fresno to Sack. He
definitely had a cold, and nodoubt about it, big Mo, No,
there's no doubt about it, likeyou know what I'm saying. And
even even in the differences of youknow, of he and I throughout our
years, that was always my bigbro man, because I knew that what

(52:07):
was coming was just the changing ofpower. You know, when certain individuals
going and you become not the youknow, not the term when your idols
become your rivals, not that,but when you become to a certain level,
it becomes competition. And yeah,and you know it's friendly competition.
It's never nothing threatening or physical orif something I feel how I had to

(52:30):
fear for my life. But itwas more so you ain't just little Stanley
no more. You you know,you in the league now. You're in
the league now, nigga, andwe're playing against other teams. So if
you come in here, if Ifail you hard, don't take it personal,
right, Nigga, go stronger,you know, go harder when you
come up in here, Nigga.This ain't no easy lay up. And

(52:51):
so you know, they made us, they made us prepare our game like
that. I'm gonna ask you acouple of questions. I want you here
all night, but uh, wholike for me? During the high high
fee movement, I just feel likeit was a lot more camaraderie. Uh
it started to I don't know ifpeople got frustrated with whatever, but it

(53:13):
started to break up towards the end. My question to you is is how
did Okay, so I think yousaid this before, you and you and
Yuck yuck Mouth, you didn't y'allcool now, right, but you didn't
fall out with yuck Mouth. Itwas more so the other way around.

(53:37):
Or what happened? Can you tellme what happened with you and yuck Mouth?
Nothing? Okay? I thought Ithought. I thought I heard something
about you and yuck was beefing orsome shit like that. That's what I
didn't. I didn't understand it becauseI thought he was on the bed,
on the hospital bed. And thenthey was like they made a you guys
made a man's or something like that. Yuk a legend, man, I

(53:57):
know he legend. That's my guy. Okay, okay? For surey what's
up with your freestyle battles? Wegot a battle rap coming up October twenty.
But I'm saying as far as likenot like what's up with him?
Who did you you from Oakland?We don't have a lot of freestylers on

(54:19):
the West Coast. We got likecorrect free stylers. You feel me Ron
rapping around? Okay, okay,okay, let me know. I saw
I'm freestyling one day and Short tellsme He's like, you cool, what
you can't funck with Ryan? Wow? So I'm like, what, Nigga.
I'm like, man, Nick thisnigga ever nigga. He's like listen,
man, different right, And I'mlike, man, I'm perfect compete

(54:39):
with somebody that's gone. Man,I'm like, I'm like now and I'm
like now and I'm like nigga bringingback together an Ai nigga, Like you
know what I'm saying. But thatwas motivation, man. But I would
just hear stories like from all hisfriends and the okay, how it was
like nigga Ryan to be on thebus nigga and raped from the nineties to
the duves Nigga nine stop, Likeyou know what I'm saying. So man,

(55:00):
big shout out to the legends,like you know what I'm saying rapping
Ryn and Deadley and individuals that representit. But like you say, I
grew up like a being from Oakland. I'm like a real super hip hop
head man, So I would Iwould always just be listening and like you
know, the woo tang and everything. I was, you know, pants
leg rolled up in school, youknow, thinking I'm just straight from the

(55:20):
East cart I'm wearing TMS boots likeyou feel me, army pants. I
was like one of them niggas atschool, the helly Hans and coats,
the a rens coats, the goggleson their head like the Sunday. You
know, I probably even told afew bitches I was from New York,
like yeah, you know, youknow they was the Jerry for real.
But nah, man, I alwayswas a fan and a kid of hip

(55:46):
hop that I loved it man,Like you know what I'm saying. I
loved it immensely, man, andI love everything about it. I love
everything about I love Djang, Ilove B Boyang, I love the dancing.
I love than the breakdancing, thefreestyling. I love graffiti. You
know what I mean. I'm reallya kid of hip hop and I carry

(56:07):
that with me all the time.Hell yeah, man, the battling and
freestyling all it all went with it. Do you like the freestyle? Do
you like the do you like thefreestyle just the freestyle on some like I
just want to have fun? Ordo you like the battle rap? Now
it doesn't matter, Okay, Ilove the off the head Like today,
I probably rapped for like ten minutesor something that downstage, like at the

(56:30):
at the Empire, at the party, and it was a crazy fiftieth anniversary
too short, and I was aroundso many iconic figures man Spice one drew
down rapping for t a man youknow who's a fucking super icon. And
me, I feel like people don'tgive Bote his roses that he deserves,
So let me give him this flowershop real quick, man, Foe.

(56:52):
I love you so much for everythingthat you've done for hip hop, Thank
you for the culture. And Ifeel like nowadays, unfortunately, if you
don't don't get a chance to keepup that status, then people will trying
to make it seem like you neverwere that status facts and that's unfortunate,
that's as fuck, that's weak asfuck. Fel me just because somebody so
Bathgate told me this years ago.We're in the studio. He say,

(57:15):
fabis your time right now, andI give you that, he said,
but you can't make it seem likemy gold trophy and my gold medal still
not a gold medal, he said, If I want a gold medal in
ninety eight in twenty twenty eight,it's still a gold medal, that's And
no matter what, no matter howmany gold medals that you may be winning

(57:35):
right now, you still can't justdeny my gold medal, right, And
I'm not going to allow you tojust make it seem like be But little
wit like I hold that in highregards, you know what I mean?
Or God, I may not becompeting at gold medal gold medalist status now,
but there was one point in mycareer where I was a gold medalist
and you have to respect that.If you respect culture, yes, then

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you have to respect that. Andso anybody that respects culture. When you
see an artist like Rapping Fote,you have to respect his gold medalist competition
in a time where nobody was competingat that level. He's on Tupacs,
all eyes on me now he's onGhetto Dope with Master p he's making records,
he's putting on for his hood inthe city. I'm saying he's film

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he's going all around the world PlayersClub. No, man, you worldwide
selling records around the world. Soif you respect culture, respect those that
have competed at gold Bettalists competitions,regardless of where they are now. And
so to say that man and theaforementioned of what we were talking about being

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around all those icons today, evenKeith Murray was there and that was crazy.
That was randomness hell. But liketo see Keith Murray up there,
that Keith Murray, that's crazy.I heard his voice and was like,
Yo, that's crazy. I toldyou what I see them depth squad crazy
to hear. And so I freestylefor like ten minutes today just like free

(59:07):
styling, just wild. But butI love both. I love I love
the traditional freestyling off the head,just topics like Sensey is like man,
the guys that that that made itpopular, like supernatural individuals like that and
Juice from from Chicago, those guyssuper hip hop, you know, like

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like supernatural, motherfucking wake up showguys like that, like corrupt, like
corrupt, and like Supernatural is theguru of it, like he's he's like
he's the scientist, he's he's oneof my sense person that I watch and
I study, like man to watchhow he's able to just go in and
out of different styles. He he'sarguably one of the greatest. I like

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to see niggas that you would knowfreestyle freestyle, like the Jack Free style.
That was dope. Man. Feelme. I heard Quinn freestyle,
Like I didn't really think Quinn freestyle, but I heard Quinn freestylega y'all niggas
be y'all some rapping ass motherfuckers.Bruh. This battle Rap Ship though,

(01:00:13):
I love the battle Rap Ship nowthough, because it's really more so about
it's an art. Yeah, Likethe battle Rap Ship is like performing arts.
It's like stage of theatrics. It'sit's that like it like it's real,
Like it's a play. Yeah,like battle Rap Now it's like a
play, like a choreograph. Yeah. And if you like I say,

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once again, if you respect culture, if you respect like to me,
it's like it's Hamlet. It's youknow what I'm saying, It's Shakespearean kind
of views with cultural arts and hiphop references when you go to the studio,
I'm actually do too short freestyle nole. When you go to the studio,
though you love the work, doyou just be in here knocking songs

(01:01:01):
out like back to back or doyou work on the song and you go
something else? Yeah, I'll beknocking. I got my engine let me
say, bring you in here realquick, my engineer, Rick. I
got one of my engineers in here, like we just Rick Rick come here
real quick. Uh hey, Iwanted just one of my engineers in here,
man, Ricky Rigg slick brother,uh brig he said, He said,

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he said, when we work,when we work, and just knocking
out in the past week without mesaying, how many songs we didn't did
in the past week? Stand therelike seventy damn seventy songs. That's just
me and him, right, AndI'm that's just you. That's just me
and not like features for other people. That's just your product. How many
songs? Almost like like sixty sevenseventy songs? Bright? Introduce yourself,

(01:01:52):
man, tell them who you is? Man her producer as well, super
doll pass engineer too. What's goingon y'all? This? Ricasso? Ricasso,
so like you said producer, engineerand artists and making beats since twenty
eleven. That's what's up. Playingmusic my whole life, that's what's up.

(01:02:14):
Bro. Did you watch your backtoday? Though the podcast called watching
that, I thought you every dayI watched my back, But nah,
Bro, me and him Bro havedone seventy songs. Wow, in the
past week. That's crazy. Sojust rocking like we was at the studio
before we came here, and it'sjust about working. Like with me,

(01:02:37):
it's just about stay working and thenso in this past week, I've honestly
probably done about one hundred and twentysongs just this week. And it's not
that I'm on the speed race ofmarathon. It's that's how I'm working,
right, and I'm having the livedexperience to have content that continues to just
pour over. How do you howdo you tell a artists, hey,

(01:03:00):
bro, let me write this foryou because you got a lot of writing
credits. Correct in my lying?Okay, how do you tell snoop Bro,
let me write this, Stoop,I got a record. I think
you'll sound dope on got you.And at the level that he is in
his career, it's not about ifI wrote it. If I didn't write
it's a hit record, it's ahit record. Got you and you go
on the record, You're going whenI go in the studio. Sometimes I

(01:03:22):
liked I like to morph into character. I think the ability, which is
in the emphasy stage of my career, was like a gift and a curse
because it was me trying to findwho I was, so I would have
an ability to do everything. Iwould be able to emulate, like if
my if I was a superhero,if I was X Men. I think
my young Kennedy ability would be thatI can I can be anyone more,

(01:03:45):
you know what I'm saying. Ican like mystique like how she would she
could be whoever. I can beanyone, And so that was always a
gift of mine. Where I cansound like forty, I can sound like
Short, I I can mimic anyoneextremely well. And it's kind of hard
finding my style even today in thesetimes where you know I'm so I'm diverse

(01:04:09):
because I'm a fan of music.So I might go into a record and
be like, damn, I canhear Short on this and subconsciously do my
verse in the form of Short,like just like you know what I'm saying
on you know, just on somefans shit, but make a short story
shorter. I'm a short story shorter. I'll be like, dog, I

(01:04:30):
can hear this record for you,and then I'll send it to him rapping
like him. He'll be like,oh, this is hard man, and
then he'll use it. I thinkthe last record that he and I did
was the Gang Signs record with himMimasi. So I wrote that record and
it turned up like super dupe.But I love writing records for people like
I think that's that's a whole differentlevel of music, the adventure of just

(01:04:53):
knocking out records for anybody for otherpeople. I love that right because you'll
be telling people to get at youon your Instagram and I'm trying to work
today, Mane, I got arecord for you, like I like.
I think it's a couple of peoplethat maybe kind of like don't know if
they want people to know that somebodyelse is writing forms. I won't,
you know, I won't speak onthat, but there are certain individuals that

(01:05:15):
be like fab bro, write mesomething, put something together for me,
and I just love creating those concepts. But it's some individuals that that I've
wrote records for some pretty successful records. Pretty cool, and I'm happy about
it. Man, I'm dope.It's it's to me. It's just like
damn bro like like I like theway he did that, Like you know
what I'm saying. I like theway he did it. And then I

(01:05:38):
love writing R and B records.Oh oh that's me. I love I
love writing crazy R and B records. Man. Like we were doing the
Sunday sessions and tell he would becoming in and we just be in there
just curating and cooking it be hellaperformers and hello, artists is coming in
about twenty artists. I got allthree different rooms, so every room is
about it's different artists in different roomsand we're just in there curating, cook

(01:06:00):
and records. Are you one ofthe people that be in there smoking and
drinking and shit or you just dowhatever. I don't smoke or drink.
Okay, you don't smoke or drink. I don't do either. You like
JT J T is here last while? You don't pork or nothing? No,
I don't. No. Shout outto fig Man. Shout out to

(01:06:20):
fig definitely his leadership. We maynot always agree on things. But one
thing that fig has done is he'sleft down the independent blueprint for several to
follow. And if you had anability to witness what he was doing and
you didn't pick up on it,you missed. You missed because he laid

(01:06:42):
down a beautiful foundation and a blueprinton how to create an independent infrastructure for
yourself. Right. But yeah,don't no, man, I don't smoke
or drink. Man. It's justyou know, I'm not going to be
like, oh I've never smoked orneverthing's you know, I just at this
current like I told you, atthis current stage in my life, I'm
working on being the best version ofmyself. And I think every day I

(01:07:05):
want to wake up to try tobecome a better version of myself. That's
what's up. A couple of morebefore we get out here. What the
war is gonna do? Are wegoing? I think we're gonna be good.
I was at media day and justsitting not getting a chance to talk
to some of the fellas welcome insome of the new guys. Talk to
Chris Paul extensively. We talked fora nice amount of time. If I

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shared dialogue of what it was thatyou know, he was willing to feel
like he wanted to bring to theteam. And what he was bringing to
the team is not only his veteranleadership, but just him and his desire
to win, right, you know, being in the being in the NBA.
You know, I'll be the firstto tell you I hated Chris Ball,
right well, did hate Chris Ball, all right, you feel me.

(01:07:48):
I hate you, dog, Butit just let you know how much
competition he was to us. Youknow, you always played well against us,
and it was very competitive against us, and I just felt like,
damn, I don't like you.So intellectual with it. Yeah, I
don't like you, but on ourbut on our team, mystatic, Like

(01:08:10):
you know what I'm saying, yougive me. It's definitely a convivial feel
that I feel. I'm excited aboutand I'm watching where it could go.
Step Me and Steph have such agreat friendship. We talk, we talk,
We talk often, and we justtalk about you know, we talk
about a multitude of things. Butin this conversation talking about basketball, that
nigga love Oakland Blood. Yeah,for sure, that's delib I'm telling this.

(01:08:32):
You gotta tell him, Bru PatrolHill is right down the street.
You could do some ship my niggasin the Hill too, but you do
everything in Oakland. Can Frisco getsome love? That's Deli bo Bro?
I know he's definitely in tale.He loved to tell blown nigga Bro.
That's Deli bo Brouh. But nah, man, he's excited. You know.

(01:08:56):
One thing about him is he lovesthem counting him out. You know
when we see at the ranks,when we see what teams do they have
expected to win? Or what guyswhat duels? Like I mean, how
do you talk about the best backcourtand you don't say Stephan Clay right Like
we talk about the best two mengame in the league and I've seen a
lot, you don't mention them todisrespect. The disrespect is insane. So
I think we're thriving off that.Me personally, as a as a basketball

(01:09:20):
fan, I would love to seeus get an agile, mobile big man
that could move with us. ButSark is very good. He's very His
IQ is basketball IQ is crazy.What JK is doing this year is just
like it's so impressive. He's soexplosive. He's developed his game so much,

(01:09:40):
and he's he's developed his game somuch like if his raiding was seventy
eight last year on two K,he's definitely coming in at an eighty nine.
He's up there, He's he's hedefinitely stepped his game up. He
damned there in them nineties, rightJK jump shot is right, you know,
and listen, bro and I thinkhe unders that's the system a little
bit more right. So those aresuper dopes and just all around man.

(01:10:04):
I think the guys are ready togo out and and go prove that they're
still the team to be right.There's still the team to be right.
You know, they can't count themout. Yeah, there's still a team
to be We still have our nucleusin our core, our original core,
and adding in the veteran leadership ofyou know, CP and Rudy Gay and
some of the other guys, someof the other younger guys. I think

(01:10:25):
that those guys, I think they'regoing to go out and do pretty good.
If you was when you were younger, you wanted to be how tall
about six four and so you wantedto play point guard or two guard the
show point guard? Okay, forsure, who did you? Who did
you kind of like Martlin. Okay, but surely if you already seen Fab
play, Fab got some moves forreal, for real, I go,

(01:10:46):
I said, when I hoop,I say this thing, I'll be like,
I just look like this. Hecould say the same thing too,
you feel me. He be movingout there. Hey this extra weight and
got on man and slowed us downa little bit. Man. But uh,
there was once a point of timein my life where I could really
you know, we play with thebest of them. Yeah, and yeah,
I was definitely a diehard, timhardaway fan. I felt like,
you know, him playing for theWarriors, him doing the things that he

(01:11:10):
was doing on the court, veryexplosive, the Utah two step and everything.
You know. He wore that wasmy favorite number to wear, number
ten. Uh. And I feltlike he had a realistic frame. Yeah,
you know, six three six fourwasn't too bulky. Yeah he was
six four six three six too.I thought it was like six one six

(01:11:43):
see, yeah he might let's seehow he just he had a believable frame
like he had he didn't. Hewasn't the guy that looked super huge six
feet six feet yeah, about sixfeet. So it was like it was
like I'm looking at him like,no, I could do that too.
I can do that, you knowabout five nine right now. And then

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he held the biggest camp when wewas kids, Camp Hardaway at Merit,
Okay. And if you were recruitedto go to Camp Hardaway, you was
like that was like you know preAAU before all these kids jump in the
AAU scen. Camp Hardaway was likethis is like the elite basketball players,
like you know, you got theRay Youngs, the Jason mcglasses, the

(01:12:27):
Brandon Ferguson's, all of these guysthat were like top tears. You know
what I'm saying basketball guys, theywere at Camp Hardaway man. So if
you got a chance to play upat Camp Hardaway, you was it.
They was looking for you like itwas like they was checking for you.
So yeah, definitely Tim Hardaway.But you know, Tim Baron Davis all
of it and so super dope manto be able to And I know you

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were a real fan because for me, when I play that they don't fuck
it matter. But when I hoop, I love hooping away. I love
going to the games. I didit like going to the Wait games,
but I like going to the gameshere because you get the hoo riding you
out there, repid. Bro.It's excitement. I love you for that.

(01:13:08):
It's excitement, man, Like I'mreally you know, my fandom is
is you know, the bittersweet thing, bittersweet thing about being a Warriors fans.
And my mother was a bigger Warriorsfan than me. Oh wow.
And so when we won the championship, I actually cried, and my dudees
like, bro, why are youcrying? I was like, bro,
because my mama would have been herewith me and we would have been lit.

(01:13:30):
Like she would have been lit likewhat I'm saying. Like my mom,
like the players would tell you,my mom would be at the games
and we'd be going crazy, LikeI had the mom that wud go get
tickets and she brings, she brings, she goes, tell your friends,
come on, let's go. That'sshe would take the friends. We all
we laughing sitting up this one.We played in San Jose for those two
years. I remember that what I'msaying, We're driving away to San Jose,

(01:13:54):
me and my friends. You know, damn they're sitting in the nosebleed,
bro, like what I'm saying.So my mom was like super basketball
and through. It's like she waslike enthusiasts. She was huge on it,
man, So I really cried,bro, like damn that I know.
I know my mama would be atthese games with me, like and

(01:14:15):
from us sitting where we sat towhere I sit now, it's just like,
yo, this is it. Likeyou know what I'm saying. A
Warriors fan before the bandwagon got full, man, you know you know so
it's dope for show. Shout outto my nigga, mister fab Man,
I really want to get into somemotion. We may have to do a
part two, but I'm gonna letyou go. I appreciate you for coming

(01:14:36):
out, my nigga. Anything youwant to say before we get you up
out of here. Just looking towardsthe Thuck therapy, man, I would
love for the brothers to be involvedwith that. So too, the brothers
out there that are listening. Iwant you guys to understand that it's nothing
wrong with revealing to heal. Ifwe want resolve, you know what I'm

(01:14:57):
saying. If we want to evolve, we gotta resolve. We have to
create that. We have to beable to talk about the things that have
been painting us. And as Isay, man, I pray that my
brothers heal from the things that theydon't talk about. And so in Thuck
Therapy, we're going out and I'mmaking it. I'm making the responsibility of
mind to see more of us blackand browns getting involved with treating our mental

(01:15:21):
health. And the durability of usof who we are as men, relies
on that right and so of allages. So Thuugh Therapy is every First
Wednesday, and we're building seminars andworkshops, and it's not just so much
about let's just come out and talk. Know, it's about let's come out

(01:15:42):
and work on healing. Let's workon sharing our resources, Let's work on
development. And this is actually howthe Black Panthers started. The Black Panthers
started from brothers just meeting in thecommunity seeing what it is that they could
do to help out. We startcreating breakfast programs, we start creating governing
our own communities. We start creatingother self defense programs that taught our women
how to help self defense culinary school. And then we began to watch the

(01:16:06):
maturation of that. And I'm nottrying to re create something of that nature,
but what I am trying to takethe extract is the good, and
implement it back into pouring into eachother. So the therapy is something that's
big on my list on to dolists and the Dope Er Academy in March,

(01:16:27):
I plan on opening up and launchingthat after school program of Dope Ara
Academy. And to anybody that wantsto get involved with what we're doing,
man, please come on, let'sconflate. Let's utilize our resources financially man,
economically, let's pour back into ourcommunity and let's keep giving roses to
the individuals that deserve them. Man, So keep going. Yeah, yeah,
if you need a radio class orinstructor, yeah, I got your

(01:16:51):
back. We just built the Sowe just built a music program and a
juvenile hall system one hundred and fifty. If I can't come me and p
K are we built a whole musicproduct and that launch is December first,
and I'm very excited about me that. So I would love for you to
come in. But what you teachabout recording engineering, radio person show,

(01:17:14):
that's so that whole is the DopeAir Music Programing Hall. So it's just
branches, man, there's branches thatwe're just trying to keep connecting. I
just want to real quick before weget you out of your fab one last
pure do you come up with allthe all the ship or do you have
somebody y'all you collaborate with your withyour dope airline, all the sayings and
all the brother you know, myfirst strap and all that ship. My

(01:17:36):
brother's the goat. My brother ducttape is he creates. Uh. We
bring storm. We bring storm.And when we brainstorm, we come up
with crazy ideas. Most of thetime I might text him at four in
the morning and be like, Yo, you should put this on that and
that's crazy, and he brings itto life. So some of the ideas,

(01:17:58):
the majority of the ideas are myideas. I'm just you know.
But but there would be nothing,They would be dormant without him being able
to create them. Oh and that'sa big shot. You just said something
big. Shout out to Berner.We did the Dope Ara Cookies collab,
which is dropping at the end ofthe month, and I was super excited
about that before. This is thefirst time that us as a brand,
we've collaborated with anybody. Wow.We've kept our exclusivity for several for several

(01:18:23):
years on our own and never reallycollaborated with anyone. So this launching of
cookies will will get us into certainareas that we haven't gone because I remember,
we never went in no other store. So for thirteen years, we've
never sold out of any other store. Right, so now is the first
time that we get a chance todo that. So I want to shout
out Burner man for this opportunity.I think this is going to be big

(01:18:44):
for surely. Shot Burner One timeman is wash your Back. It is
the Washing Back podcast. I amfilm on Mike. I want to give
a shout to my nigga Big MoTelly Mack for coming through cousin in the
background with the dope Ara Shiit slickRick in the back. Watch that that's
my nephew right there. Man,my nephew. What's his name? Out?
What's up? What're you talking about? Come say something? Huh?

(01:19:10):
Your ass needs to get up soyou can go. You're getting up to
go to school in the morning totalk. What's up? Man? Just
cooling? What's your name? Shipto car I go bout baby reckless though
you could catch me up on AppleMusic and YouTube and ship okay for Shure
baby, reckless, heavy, reckless, go crazy though, what y'all listen
to him? He go crazy onGod nephew fifteen years old. Man,

(01:19:30):
he hard though, definitely said yougot to go to school of the boat.
Definitely getting up. Well, thanky'all for thank y'all for coming once
again, fab thank you for pullingup and being in a man of your
words. Not you ain't gonna belike Jay Stalin. I gotta get on
Jay Stalin line. No man isbig, you knows. In his defense,
man, what you got to understandis Jay Stalin is a full time

(01:19:53):
father. Yeah, what I'm saying, like, in his defense, he's
a full time father, and I'mtalking about a real committed father. I'm
every day with my children, goto school, pick up, after school,
football, and he's there off topand so you know, so sometimes
it may be hard for him toget out on a certain night, especially
on the school night. So inhis defense, it's give him a little

(01:20:13):
bit more time. Pretty sure he'llpull through. I love I love my
nigga styleon y'all be smoothie man,don't forget to wash your back for show.
Thank all, Right,