November 20, 2024 • 48 mins
KF stepped to the podium with a higher energy that you may expect, after having to lead this team out of a 2 week down period, coming off of a game that the Hawks should have won. Coupled with his answers around Cade McNamara and Jackson Stratton and who will be playing QB for the Hawks this week, this press conference became more interesting than anyone anticipated. We discuss the future of the QB position knowing what will be left on the roster heading into the spring, and who should play QB the last 3 games. At the back of show we go big picture on KF's tenure and how the Iowa job will be looked at nationally when KF moves on.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Another KF press review show, a shorter press conference, but
it didn't lack in things to talk about. Coach Farance
off of a bye week after a loss brought an
energy that I guess you could say was a little
bit unexpected. David and I pick up on that, We
discuss it. The quarterback situation has come to an all
time moment. And then on the back end we go
(00:20):
tenfoil hat, big picture, Iowa football.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Let's have a day.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Let's go, David Hopson here, I just hit the go button.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
We go, It's go time. That's what we do. What's
the rollercoaster?
Speaker 3 (00:58):
This is a heck of a press yesterday.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
It was a little bit, uh, we have a fun show.
I think kaf was kind of on one in a
spot where he normally wouldn't be on one, wouldn't you say?
Speaker 3 (01:13):
I thought the same thing.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
I thought he came out of the gate joking immediately,
and I thought there was a time, There was a
time or two. I love over analyzing this. This is
it's so great. I thought he joked and he like
overkilled a joke a little bit too much, And I
kind of thought to myself, is Kurt nervous? Like it
just for once. It just seemed like he was slightly uncomfortable,
and you cultivate that with There was a notable name
(01:37):
that he didn't talk about in his opening statement when
it came to it, the injury front or returning from injury,
and that ended up being what half the questions were about, Tyler. Oh,
you didn't mention Kay McNamar in his opening statement.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
What I mean? What? What? What's the insinuation there? What?
What is this going on in the mind of David Eichel.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
While I already had my tinfoil hat theory after talking
to a couple of the players, I was gonna save
this for like ten minutes in.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
But don't drop it up now, I'm now, I'm so,
I'm I am curious. I I have I didn't have
any deeper, like crazy thoughts about this other than one
I have, maybe one that we're really open.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
To the rabbit holes.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Now I love a good rabbit hole.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
But you you go, you go. This is good.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Welcome into the to the Press review show. David and
I could go for ninety minutes today, who knows, I
don't know. In like an hour, there's supposed to be
some announcement about unrivaled.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Maybe Caitlyn Clark's gonna be joining that.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
No, no, Unfortunately this isn't a live show, so uh.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
No, I after.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Stunned.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
If she did, yeah, I don't know why. I don't
know why she would.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
In the twenty two minute clickbait. There can't have Caitlyn.
I may as well use her number as quick.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
I was gonna say. I mean, they they if it's
not her, they sure milk that thing.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
They you know, they're just milking the cash cow as
much as you can.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
I mean, it's on believable.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
They want to say that she's not this or not that,
but god damn, they use their every chance they can get.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
Huh would It would be the one of the more
stunning things of my journalism career, mean of actually doing it.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
We talked about that earlier this year, like a month ago,
like you got off her, Like there's got to be
like eight figures there, it's got to be something absurd. Anyway,
back to football, tinfoil hat, David, you talked you guys
get to talk to the players.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
So that's something that we.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Don't get because we always see quotes and actually I
saw somebody I was right before you hopped in. I
was trying to find a quote from I think it
was Castro or Schulta yesterday about.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
The inconsistent inconsistency of the team. We'll get to that later.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
But you guys, for maybe the fans that don't glean
this from just observation, you guys get the players first
and then you go in correct.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Yeah, yeah, okay, yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
So so we get the players at about eleven o'clock
every Tuesday, maybe a little bit before, and you know,
we got the chance. We talked to Luke Lache, We
talked to Caleb Johnson, we talked to a handful of
other players.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
And this is the interesting thing.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
Luke Lache was asked about Kate McNamara being back at practice.
Didn't ask if he was hurt, didn't ask if he
came back to practice, because I think a player will
answer if you say something along the lines of, hey,
I heard they're back at practice. How good is it
to have them back in the huddle, like what have
you seen from them or whatever, versus like you're asking
(04:23):
a player to tell about somebody else's injury, right right right,
Luke Lache said, I'm going to defer all the questions
about that to the head coach and immediately my alarms
are going off in my head because I thought you
could lie through that and no ways, give bat and
eye Logan Jones said, Oh, it's great. You know he's
a competitive practicer. He's ready to get back at it.
(04:45):
Both Stevens said the same thing as Luke Lache and
then Caleb Johnson talked about Kate a little bit too
right then and there, and I could be wrong about this, okay,
just FYI. Right then I was convinced Jackson and try
and starting them Saturday.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
And then of course yeah, and then of course you
get to the press conference and he doesn't they I mean,
I guess my my takeaway and I would I would
recommend those who listen to this show watch the press
conference because you get a lot.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
You get a lot from this, but you don't get
it all.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
And I guess my whether you call it nervous or
just like you know, we talked about last week or
a couple of weeks ago, you know it was with
the coordinators last week we talked about them just not
really having answers. You remember that, Like we talked about
coach Phil Parker just standing up there and being like,
(05:42):
I like his answers kind of Dan, they weren't like,
you know, they're they didn't have real, real hard answers
to why some of why they're struggling in some of
the in some of the areas that they are this year.
And I got the same feeling from coach Farrence is like,
you know he's talking about I think his quote was
(06:03):
something along the lines of, yeah, you look, in the
last month, you can get grab a couple examples of
us playing really well and being a good football team,
and you can grab some examples of the opposite as well.
And I don't know if they have I don't know
if they have concrete answers to to give your guys.
And then you take that to the quarterback situation, and
he said clearly cloudy about ten times as like a
(06:25):
joking sort of all encompassing explanation or status of the team,
of the quarterback situation, of their spot in the season
right now.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
I really think that they're they're on their heels a
little bit.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
Yeah, I do too. I do too. I think that's
the right way to read it, Tyler.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
I mean, it's one of those things where we can
push so far and I know people want answers, but
I truly believe at this point in time they don't
have any There isn't yeah, there isn't. There isn't an answer.
And I think we if we want to die in
the deef, I mean we.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
All season two, but oh yeah we do.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
They all The transfer portal I think is gonna be
something itself. Let's put let me put that way.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
I'm so excited for so tangent. When we do the
off season of this podcast, we try to heavy load
that almost exclusively if we could.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
It's hard to get two interviews a week, but we
try to.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
We try to heavy load that with just interviews of
either the guys that are about to graduate, any kind
of recent guy, any guy that played any Iowa athlete.
Just like interviews. We won't get yes every once in
a while. Occasionally, you know, spring ball rolls around. Sometimes
in the off season, something happened, you know last year.
The lesser thing, the higher all that. There will be
(07:42):
something every two or three weeks on average that's worth
us getting on and having a legitimate, saturated hour plus
conversation on. But if we were to try and do
that twice a week, there really isn't a lot in
the off season, like you're making things up and this
off season that's upcoming as the the content, Yeah well no, no, no,
(08:08):
not the the driving force behind what each of one
of our shows is supposed to be about. Knowing that
fans are expect like one or two episodes a week
from us, I am the most relaxed still that really
relaxed about it, but the most relaxed I've ever been,
because it feels like this offseason is going to have
(08:30):
the most to talk about and do episodes about on
a maybe a weekly basis.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
So yeah, no, that's that's without a doubt.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
I mean, the position battles, that, the roster attrition, and
the transporter, like, there's going to be concrete storylines that
you can actually go forward with instead of look as
somebody who you know does radio as well does writes
all this stuff.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
Hypotheticals are kind of.
Speaker 4 (08:54):
What we make a living off of, for sure, because
you know, people want to hear it, people want to
talk about et cetera. But there's it's could be a
lot to talk about. The quarterback situation. I'll tell you what,
that got even a lot more fun potentially, and By
the way, Marco Lyonez is back mm hmmiling any I
speak for myself and my immediate colleagues, aling anybody expected
him to come back this early, just based on the
(09:16):
injury and the surgery.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
It's a little bit surprising, quite frankly.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
But then you also got to think about you know
that they missed quote unquote on their.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
Last quarterback in the cycle.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
They're down right now, so does that mean they have
to take two quarterbacks in the portal again? And that's
where it gets really interesting as well. How much money
do they get spend on that. Iowa probably needs to
throw a boatload of money at an edge rusher because
they need to go to pass rush. I know I
talked about that with you last week. Like I don't
end me the job Brad Heinrix is going to have
to do. It's gonna be interesting. And I've said it before,
(09:51):
and this might come across as a little bit brash,
but there are people on our board and a few
people I've seen argue about whether they should start Kane
McNamara or Jackson Stratton. For as much as I've criticized
Kane McNamara, if Kane McNamara is healthie and I'll like
near one hundred percent you one hundred percent play him.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
It's quite frankly, it's not a discussion.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
And people talked about all they want to see what
they have in Jackson's Strandon Gay glimpse of the future.
If you were are relying on a walk on transfer
quarterback from Colorado who can lead four of his seventeen
career passes, who's playing.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
Scout team linebacker a month ago.
Speaker 4 (10:29):
To be the future of the most important position in football,
you have a hell of a lot bigger issues with
your football team than that.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
The Yeah, it's it's gotten to a really funny place.
Speaker 4 (10:40):
And no offense to Jackson Stratton, Like, I'm not trying
to like only kid, but you have to keep it real.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
No kid came in and bald did I mean, I'm
actually going to get to him in a second because
some of the more like looking past the superficial things
that kaf said and the way he kind of reacts
to questions. Yeah, I think there's a lot for at
in here in a second, But it is funny that
the question between Stratton orcaid I was in a place
(11:08):
a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Really, since the Troy game.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
I think was the first time you and I talked about, hey,
we should probably give Sullivan a chance here. Right when
it came down to when it came down to Sullivan
or Cad, there was this conversation of Okay, once you
figure out or are shown that they're pretty close, like
top end, what they're gonna be able to do as
far as winning ball games, Like you see the downside
(11:34):
of what Sullivan and his play style presents with the
turnovers and injury risk and all that. With the UCLA game,
you're like, Okay, so he's not Johnny Manziel, Like, he's
not the savior.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
Right.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
There was a point though where it was like, but
we have to play Brendan because he does give us
just that extra, that extra thing the defense has to
worry about, and and he is potentially the future.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Right now, after that game, you're like, okay.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
With the way that the transfer portal, and this is
going to be a discussion ten twenty times over this offseason.
All that offseason stuff is with the way the transfer.
You see what Colorado did in two years and the
way that they approach the portal. Other teams approaching the portal,
Indiana goes and gets a roarc from Ohio, Ohio, Like
(12:29):
what you can do in a one to two year process.
I get that Brendan could be the future, like, hey,
get him more time in the offense, get less all
these things we've talked about. But if you're a Division
one program, a top twenty program in the country, you
have to be a program that is when you have.
When you have what you have with Brendan Sullivan, that's
(12:49):
not enough. He's not the clear future either. So now
we're to the point where he's not even available anymore.
Really sucks, by the way, because I actually love watching
Brendan Sullivan where you're like, Okay, we're now back to
this hurt it hurt on and off again. Cade McNamara,
who has two to three games left in his career,
(13:11):
or this Jackson Stratton, who is literally like it's like
a circus. The fact that he's even playing. I've almost
swung back to Kate has likely got the higher floor.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Right.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Even if even if somehow, some way, in a couple
weeks worth of getting practice reps as a one with
the Ones, Jackson Stratton proves to have somehow of a
higher ceiling, you still You've put Kate in there. He's
just got too much experience. You've got two games left,
and I think at this point you do almost bring
into the into the picture. Like, Okay, at this point,
(13:51):
it's six and it's eight and four at best, could
be six and six. Kate is the senior he's given
a lot to the program, We paid him a lot
of money.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
All that stuff doesn't hold zero weight.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Let the guy play out his last two games, and
like we'll see what Stratton and Sullivan can do going
into spring, plus anybody else that we go out and get.
Make it a three or four quarterback race, and let's
just let Cade take us into the letter rip really somber,
very gray postseason. Let him, you know, let him have
(14:26):
his last three games like it's it's.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
There's there's one important thing that you'll appreciate that I
think you you missed a little bit. But I agree
with almost everything you said. They owe it to the
senior class to play the guy that's sure best able
to win them games right now, not to look in
the future. Look at Jay Higgins, think about all the
fifth and sixth of your guys, regardless of the results
(14:50):
of this season, think about the guys that for you know,
for gone the NFL.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
They didn't go to the NFL. They came back. Now, look,
they probably got paid a decent.
Speaker 4 (14:59):
Amount of money come back, but they're still getting paid
more in the NFL than they are to come back.
For the love of the program, Jay Higgins probably give
me an All American again. He won't win the buckets
because I think Iowa's records too poor right now, and
that sucks.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
He got robbed last year. I will stand on business.
That's crap.
Speaker 4 (15:17):
Jamari Harris sixth year, Sebastian Castro coming back. There are
Nick Jackson, who just passed Luke Kinkley in career tackles.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
By the way, is he number one?
Speaker 4 (15:29):
He's number two right now. He's like thirty two behind
the the all time leader.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
I would just would chance, I just feed that guy.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
I want him to get it. I want him to
get it.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
Run after everything, Nick, you get this tackle. I would,
I would get it for him.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
I don't know if you saw the clip.
Speaker 4 (15:44):
I told Nick that he passed Luke Kinkley and he goes,
you have to put an asterisk next to it.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
Luke did it in three years. I got I got
double his times.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
I mean, is potentially the like like when you think
football player in the dictionary, Keekley, I think shows up.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
That's another discussion.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
Bob Sanders is probably in that same category two Bob, Yeah, true,
but yeah no. So I mean I think you owed
to the seniors to play the guy.
Speaker 4 (16:14):
And like, regardless of how people feel about Kate, I
think we all know how people feel about Kid. And
I'm saying this is again you brought up your discord
last week as somebody who's probably been the biggest quote
unquote Kate McNamara hater among people. David, I cult the hater,
hater got the hater, aid, Kate deserves to play if
(16:35):
he's healthy, just based on what's available, and I think
the team would rally around him. But another thing that
I meant to bring up earlier about my tinfoil hat theory,
Caid wasn't a team cat in this week either, Tyler.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
Well, okay, so that's like, thank you for bringing it
back around. So then I was gonna ask David, why,
why then do we not really mention Kid as a
primary topic to start the opening statement? Why when asked,
like you know, there's three or four clarifying questions. Several
of your of your colleagues are like, Okay, hold on,
(17:09):
hold on, I'm confused about the kid, Like Kate is available,
he's back. But and then finally you get the answer
out of him that's like, yes, Kate has been cleared
to play, but we're not sure from now from a
coaching standpoint, if he can be effective. And we're only
talking about being more effective than Jackson Stratton. And he's
(17:33):
not a he's not a captain. There's no travel concerns.
He's been cleared.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
Welcome to the looney ben.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
This is just me having fun on a Wednesday with
David IICLT. But like, it's not nothing.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
I know this.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
If he was, we've had captains in the past and
again it could be nothing, could just be whatever. But
we've had captains in the past where if they were
in this situation, Uh, let me think of Let me
think of one James Morris, linebacker twenty ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
Ye, and he's probably on my own more underappreciated players
in my all time rankings.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
Sorry, I always think of middle linebackers. I don't think
he is.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
He is potentially, at least for my time, And I'd
love to ask, like coach this question in his twenty
six years of the most respected players all time, Yeah,
where does he rank? It's top ten for sure, and
in twenty six years. There's been a lot of players
in my time, he's number one for me personally as
a teammate.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
If James Morris got a concussion.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
And then all of a sudden, the next week he
was he was not clear to play, and a plane
ride and travel was gonna mess with his recovery, he
had to stay home. Somebody else was nominated a captain
for that week, and we came back and he was.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
Then available to play.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
James Morris would have been a captain again, one hundred percent,
no doubt.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
He would have been the first one unanimous.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Kate is so, so there's something there, there's something where
he you know, I don't know, but.
Speaker 4 (19:08):
Yeah, I'm not trying to Yeah, I think that's a
very fair point, and I think it's important prehapsing. We're
not insinuating anything about kid's character. But just like they're traveling,
there are certain things to and even again, another thing
that stuck out to me, Tyler was when Kurk kind
of joked, oh, I'll probably know who's starting Friday night,
but you won't. Well, does that mean Kate's traveling? Like
(19:31):
you better know before Friday who's starting, Well.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
He'll be, He'll be traveling because they just simply don't
have enough guys to not traveling. Yeah, But the thing
about that is like again, and this is where I
come back to, I don't I think they really are
on their heels, I think, And now we'll bring in
Stratton to this. I think the way that Kirk talked
about Stratton is really eye opening, both to him.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
Like my my.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Evaluation of it is Kirk is flabbergasted with how much
with how well Stratton looks, and again relative to just
like what we need in a quarterback that's probably still
not what we need, but relative to what Kirk thought
he would look like versus what he does look like
with just a couple of weeks of actual reps, I
(20:19):
think he is amazed at how well Stratton is doing.
The way he's talking about him, they asked how, like
what what changed in a week or whatever? Like, Yeah,
were how confident were you going into UCLA versus how
he's like I'm a whole hell of.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
A lot more confident.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
I think he's been pleasantly surprised with how Stratton's stepped
in and at least manned the position right. He doesn't
look like a like an absolute catastrophe.
Speaker 4 (20:46):
Yeah, And I think you guy think about how many
opportunities there are gonna be to make plays with Jackson
Stratton starts because you know, damn well what Maryland's gonna do.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Right, Yeah, they're gonna make him. They're gonna putting eye
in the box. Yeah, you're gonna have to throw the
ball at the ball and low key. I think he
might be able to do it.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
Like he made a couple of big throws last week
that was impressed by.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
To come in and throw on third down and just
start slang in it. Yeah, a couple of them were
like just past the defender's fingertips, the way that Lester
talked about last week in the press conference, how Stratton
is a guy who he didn't recruit, but if he
was in high school now he's the kind of quarterback that.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
He would reduce. Yep.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
I think, I mean again, this season is like whatever,
and there's actually I had I had a good sort
of point come to mind of why the season still
does matter listening to the press conference.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
We'll get to that in a second.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Maybe, but again, I think Stratton's rise in three weeks
and what he's been able to do in practice, kirk
Club's practice.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
And Caid's.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
You know, maybe this time without Kate as a starting
quarterback for the last two and a half games or whatever,
it's been a it's been a oh maybe we don't
need Kate, right, And now there's this indecision, there's this
gray area that is yeah, I mean Friday.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
We're just gonna see who's slinging it better.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
And I like, legitimately when he says, I don't know,
you guys won't know the starter, but I hope I do,
or I might I will, Like I think they might
actually make the decision on Friday. Not a good spot
to be for a division, but I think it's legit.
I think it's legitimate. I think I think a little
bit of kf sort of lighthearted, almost nervous energy, was like,
(22:44):
this is not a spot that we're usually in and
I'm gonna make light of it and jokes, and he
starts the thing off with like, oh.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
We've moved from twelve oh one to noon, like I'll
ask the questions what's going on with that?
Speaker 4 (22:55):
Like, see, I liked it, and you're exactly right. That
was the one ron he kept pushing a couple of times.
I was like, Okay, this is kind of funny.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
Yeah, but you're right.
Speaker 4 (23:04):
I think this is something that Kirk. I think maybe
the sick oh side of him is enjoying. I think
it's gonna keep him up at night a little bit.
But I think there's a sixth side of him that
he's kind of like, you know what, let they can't
let it rip?
Speaker 3 (23:16):
Because he used the phrase again, let it rip?
Speaker 1 (23:19):
And maybe yes, And I think maybe maybe to the point.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
Because there is a point.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
Where for the and I would imagine it has to
be now at least four losses, all the expectations, the
schedule lining up, all this stuff, there's a point at
which inside KFF, even if he never tells anybody else,
to him, the season is a disappointment or an underachieving season.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
I think we fit that point. I don't think that's
a hard argument to make.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
I think for everybody top down, starting at Kirk, to
the least, you know, to someone who's not even an
Iowa fan, just a college football fan. They're like, yeah, yeah,
we had an underachieving season. Everybody, one hundred percent of
people is on board. I don't think you can find
a person in the country that goes no, I don't
think they're underachieving.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
Unless you know there's wrong in the first place.
Speaker 4 (24:08):
Sure, I mean there's people with a certain distorted reality
and they'll say that, but guess what, there's nothing that
they can say. They'll actually back it up, right, because
there's so much easier to talk about what disappointing season
it is. But I'll tell you what, and again, you
and I will sit here six months from now, and
I'll keep it real with you. The over underwin toll
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for next year right now is going to be set
at five and a half. That's why I talk to
my guys in Vegas. It's half, and I think that
the more statistically, I think it's be mice one twenty
for under five and a half and over mice one
ten for over five and a half. But again, you
look at that schedule, Tyler, like three of the top
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five current teams in the college Football Playoff Poll are
coming to Kinnick Stadium.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
I'm glad we're in Kinnick and not there.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
Penn State, where I was going on it.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Yeah, I know, I get it, I get it. We're
gonna have plenty of time to talk about that where.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
I know it's like where I'm going like to go
back to Kirk.
Speaker 4 (25:11):
I think that's what also looking back is gonna make
this season a little bit more painful, just because unless
they find a way to do that one year turnaround
in that portal and they actually go all in on
the portal. I love Tim Lester's philosophy. I think if
they say true that mantra about every position every year,
that's exactly right, because that's how you adapt to college football.
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And the last thing I'll say about that specifically is
you brought up Indiana earlier.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
We're not talking about Indiana basketball, guys.
Speaker 4 (25:39):
We're talking about a bottom five Power five program in
the history of college football. I don't care about their schedule.
They have not just scraped by the teams they've been beating.
They've been destroying every team that they've been playing besides Michigan.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
But that's if I was an Indiana fan.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
This is just another tangent about what you do is
brought up, I would be so annoyed and over all
of the Indiana discussion with the CFP stuff right now
that just came out last night as we record this,
like the fact that there's even there's a ton there's
a huge push a lot from the sec side of
things to like, oh eleven, Like if if Indiana loses
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one of these, oh my god, their next game or
or one of these games, eleven in one, Indiana should
not be in Like I would be so furious as
an Indiana fan. Anyway, Yeah, I yeah, I think Kirk
is to the point where it's a it's an underachieving season.
I do think looking back you can say, like, oh,
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ten years from now, they're going to look back and
say that season was so painful. I think there's a
caveat to that that is, and maybe it's just an excuse,
but I think there will be the asterisk of but
the quarterback situation health wise did get so bad that
who knows if they would have even been able to
execute towards the end of the year, right like that,
that's always going to be a one if to the
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negative side of like, yeah, what if they were eight
and two right now. But then they have all this
quarterback issue and then they just lose to Maryland and
Nebraska because they don't have a quarterback and they still
see that.
Speaker 4 (27:14):
That's where I agree with you if that happens, that's
one hundred percent of me taken into account. When you
talk about the road struggles they've had, it's on the defense,
And I know, I know why it's been so disappointing
on top of everything else. It's just because we certainly
did not expect the defense to take that drastic of.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
A step back.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
And it's again, they're still a top thirty defense, which
is insane to me. Yeah, that's just because based off
eye tests. But maybe that's because you and I have
gotten so used to this elite top three, top five.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
I think it's I think it's everybody I talked about
this last week. I was like, it's so crazy that
we talk about the defense in the way that we
do this year, and then you look and it's like, oh,
the defense is twenty six in the country. Yeah, and
you're like, wow, that's really how spoiled we've been that
we're talking about the twenty sixth best out of one
hundred and third You're an eighty second percentile defense team,
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maybe eighty higher than that, and we're like, wow, we
can't win games.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
They got to figure it out. We're gonna like we
got to you know, we've got issues, right.
Speaker 4 (28:12):
Ultimately, it goes back to what I said last week,
which I thought was Some people may have thought it
was a hot take, but I'll stand by it. I
think psychologically Iowa broke when they lost to Iowa State.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (28:23):
I really really think that that just put the season
on a crash course. But it was set up to
not be as successful as we all thought in the preseason.
And I think ten years from now, when Kirk thinks
some of his most disapointing losses, that's going to rank
up at least probably in the top five to top ten, because.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
Definitely I'll put my stamp of approval agreement on that one.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
For sure. That individual game is definitely one.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
To look back at and be like, wow, that was
I always think about the Wisconsin game in twenty fifteen
as a ya as a call it a stepping stone
or a momentum game. And I go all the way
back to my high school career when I was in
at Marshalltown two thousand and nine.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Never barely ever, we never even.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
Made the state playoffs, let alone could like we were
fighting for winning seasons like five and four, six and
three was good. In high school, we beat West des
Moines Valley in two thousand and nine in the third
game of the year, last second field goal barely made
it over the post, and that game gave that high
school Bobcat team a confidence to go and win the
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rest of the games, run the table, go to the
state championship. Ended up falling short runner ups that year.
But if you don't beat Valley that, if we don't
beat Wisconsin in twenty fifteen ten six.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
Do we end up?
Speaker 1 (29:41):
Do we end up do we still have a great season? Yeah,
but do we end up beating Indiana? Because there's something
to that hole, like we haven't been broken yet if
you're undefeated, like in Indiana's got it right now, they're
like they have a better chance to.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
Go back to Iowa State when they got beat by Kansas.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
We still go in the following week and then they again.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
Right when you get cracked, it's not just that single crack,
like it makes yeah, further cracking easier and I agree.
I think that one play where noel Or Higgins runs
by Wampa for a seventy five yards, I think that,
and that that easy drive in forty five seconds in
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a fifty two yard field goal.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
I think that cracked us. And I think it. I
think but nonetheless like.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
That's but yeah, yeah it's over now, we can't do
anything thing about it. I think part of that, hey,
we've underachieved this year. Let it rip mentality is like
Kirk's just like, yeah, we're playing with house money now,
like we don't in a bad way, Like.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
We don't have anything else to lose.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
I'm gonna put my tinfoil hat on for this for
the last last part of this episode.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
Love it.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
And this is really reaching.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
Kirk's current contract goes through twenty twenty nine.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
Oh boy, yep, oh boy, Hey everybody knows where we go.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
Yeah, all right, I want coach Farence to coach until
twenty forty nine, right, yep, biggest KF guy there is.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
Yep, he was asked about you know.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
He starts with his opening statement of like, wow, I've
never you know, like college football, the way things are changing.
I've never had two saturdays in a row to sit
and watch, you know, because they played on Friday.
Speaker 3 (31:21):
Ooh, that's a good tip.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
Yeah, I've never had two Saturdays in a row that,
you know, that's new, never had that before. Talks about
his biggest concern right now is the distractions to the
players late in the season, and he says there's right now,
there's more than ever. Later on, he gets asked in
the press conference, he gets asked about Mark Farley, and
he likens himself to yeah, we're two of the same vintage,
(31:45):
and Mark Farley's whole thing is I'm out.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
I can't.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
I don't want to deal with this bullshit nil, all
this stuff. David, I'm asking you right here, right now,
thirty two minutes into this podcast, what is Kirk Farrence's
app but to continue coaching college football right now?
Speaker 3 (32:04):
All right, So this is not anything I'm hearing.
Speaker 4 (32:06):
This is totally gout feel So I want to preface
it by saying that, so people don't just start blowing
up about this.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
Right one.
Speaker 4 (32:13):
I think there are other issues as Farley. Yeah I'm
not saying, but I think he got pushed toward retirement.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
Well they're dogshit too right now.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
So that's yeah, Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 4 (32:26):
I give it a twenty percent chance that Kaeff calls
after this year, maybe fifteen to twenty. Okay, I don't
think kirk Ski finished his current contract.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
I think Oh I don't either. Yeah, I don't think
he makes it to twenty nine.
Speaker 4 (32:40):
I think he wants the big ten wins wins record,
no matter what he says about it and how much
he downplays it.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
Which he would get next years.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
If he wins it. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (32:51):
See, Okay, I won't I won't go that far. But
he's still I believe, five shore of breaking it right now.
So he needs to win out get a couple wins
next year. He probably get it at home. I think
they played Albany in the third game of the year.
I might not look that far ahead. I'm not gonna
say it's the most likely scenario, but I will not
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be surprised whatsoever if Kirk's last year's next season.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
Yeah, yeah, I would say if there was some weird
sick betting odds.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
Right now, you're like, okay, does he finish his contract?
Speaker 1 (33:23):
Does he He's not going to hang it up one
year before his contract, right, So is it twenty twenty
seven that's his last year? Is it twenty twenty six,
is it twenty twenty five, or is it this year
in twenty twenty four. I would say, if you were
to run that poll on Twitter and you had four
options and you don't get to like rank them, you
just get to pick one option. Yes, the majority percentage
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relative to the other options, maybe not over fifty percent,
but like it would be like thirty seven, thirty twenty five,
you know whatever that works out to equal hundred. I
think the largest percentage of the four would be he
finishes this year, he goes one more year, gets the
wins record, calls it after the twenty twenty five season.
That's probably where the best money would be betting on.
Speaker 4 (34:07):
Was That's where I agree again it's solely gut feel,
and to be honest with you, I think it makes
all sense in the world because I don't think you
want to see kf gwalaekit and fry.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
No. Nobody wants to see that.
Speaker 4 (34:19):
I know, I don't think and Kirk doesn't deserve that.
He's gonna get a statue. It's gonna be well well deserved.
And then I think that whenever Iowa gets in the
coaching search is going to be one of the more
interesting searches that the Big Ten Conference and even college
football quite frankly has had in a long time. From
the sole part of Iowa's the most stable job in
college football. Correct, without doubt, I think it's good top
(34:41):
I think it's a low end top fifteen job in
college football, no worse than top twenty in my opinion.
And beth Gets is going to have one of the
most important decisions and Iowas Leck directors ever had. And
that's when I think, and I talked about this off
the air one time, I said, Beth Gets is gonna
be the most important to higher in the last forty years, oh,
for Iowa athletics, because she had to replace Lisa Luter,
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She's probably gonna have to replace Brands, She's probably gonna
have to replace Fraan McCaffrey, and she's gonna have to
replace Kirk Farns.
Speaker 3 (35:09):
Yeah, that's wild.
Speaker 4 (35:12):
That's a legacy that setting an entire generation of Hawkeye
fans up in whatever direction it's going to be, just
based on the leadership that she.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
Yeah in about in about twenty to thirty years, there's
a large contingent of Iowa fans basically our our.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
Generation, right, people in their young like twenties and thirties. Yep,
I'm not even twenty anymore. I'm not who are now
going to have the majority?
Speaker 1 (35:40):
Potentially, if these coaches stick around in that Iowa longevity
stays a thing and there's there's four coaches that step
in and they're all here for another fifteen to twenty years,
there could be a lot of and I guess if
it's bad at that point, then maybe there will be
changes made before then. But there could be a lot
of fans that are like, Wow, what a high Beth
gets where She then went on to hire four more
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people who have continued this legacy of Iowa sports, or
Beth is going to have a lot of ins and
outs over the next twenty years, like oh that person
sucked for five years, get another one in here. It
is a the the weight of her decisions, those are heavy.
Speaker 4 (36:22):
I'm huge on Beth gets. I think she was an
amazing hire. I think she's done an outstaying job. She's
everywhere everything, all the time. It's really impressive. She's been
very accessible from ours.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
Yeah, yeah, what they do.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
I appreciate it's Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
The forward facing ability of an ad or at least
a good ad is is actually absurd to me.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
I don't think they ever sleep.
Speaker 4 (36:43):
I do think it's worth pointing out one thing just
to be a contrarian at least the other side of
the argument.
Speaker 3 (36:50):
Kirk is very I think you mentioned it.
Speaker 4 (36:52):
Kirk is very much like he doesn't want to leave
the program or whatever in shambles. He wants the foundation
remain the same and he wants it to be strong
for who the following year. So if he feels like
it's broken after next season for any reason whatsoever, I
can see Kirk going all right, I mean, I'm going
to take one more year. Yeah, and it put things
(37:12):
back on the right track and at least allow whoever
is going to be next to.
Speaker 3 (37:17):
Take off with it.
Speaker 4 (37:19):
And I'll say this too, as much as I respect
Kirk Farns from a just from a fans standpoint, like
from a college football fans standpoint, there is absolutely no
way that Kirk should be allowed to pick the next
Siowa football coach. And I don't think he wants to,
and I hope that doesn't light him in for some
reason he wants to. This needs to be a full
(37:40):
thorough search whenever it is because they never had one,
and Iowa has now sep enough of the history, a tradition,
the resources to be able to go out and quite frankly, Tyler,
they should be able to steal a power for head
coach if they want to.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
And this is what makes the hire so interesting to
me because and I don't think my feelings are going
to change on this. Part of me agrees with you,
part of me disagrees with you. I think he should
have it. I think there is a part of me
that's like, man, there's a reason this stability is so respected.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
It's because of what Chef has done.
Speaker 1 (38:14):
Maybe he shouldn't pick the coach, but he should have
at least be able to voice his opinion on his
favorites and then like, hey, if they decide to go
a different direction, whatever. But I think people should. I
think people should respect his thoughts and hear them. And
as a former player, and I think a lot of fans,
even who are like now, we don't want like even
(38:35):
fans who are like ah, fire chaff, you know, there's
been plenty of those with enough liquid courage on a
Saturday afternoon, I think even a lot of them are
on board if you say, hey, LeVar or Wallace are
the next head coach, Like, I think there's a lot
of excitement between those two guys, but because of the
stability of that job, and I agree with you, and
maybe it's just you know, it's like home bias, and
(38:57):
I think of the world of Iowa like it's going
to be a national like a tasty little treat that's
put up on a national platter. And to you can't
just say, this is not as easy as the Jan Jensen.
Speaker 2 (39:11):
Higher, right, absolutely not.
Speaker 1 (39:13):
It's not just like, oh yeah, Wallace you're in or
LeVar you're in. Football is bigger than women's basketball.
Speaker 4 (39:20):
I'm happy you brought that up. I said the sav
thing on Kicks and on Monday, I said the Jan
Jensen hire. There's never anybody else I can take over.
But it's a completely different level when you're talking about
not just fifteen players and you have three assistants, right,
you have over one hundred plus people involved in a
college football program. You need somebody with like that sort
of experience and you have to explain all your horizons.
Speaker 3 (39:41):
And I'm very happy you brought that up.
Speaker 1 (39:42):
And it doesn't mean that LeVar or Seth are not
the guy. I think they very likely are could be
the guy.
Speaker 2 (39:49):
But it does. But it has to.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
Mean that you go further and look at more than
just those two you because you might have some really
appetizing options, like you'd.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
Ever know Iowa can go out and get a power
fore head coach.
Speaker 4 (40:03):
I've said it from the coaching perspective, and this is
where I want people to keep. Just casual football fans,
this is what they need to realize. There's a difference
between how you or me look at top jobs, right Tyler,
versus how coaches look at.
Speaker 3 (40:19):
The top options.
Speaker 4 (40:20):
What are Iowa's resources, what's the stability? Like do they
want to be there a long time? Where are the
fans expectations versus the amount of pressure? Where are the resources?
How much nil funding they get get? What conference are
they and where are the facilities? Like you have to
take all of those sort of things in the contention.
Who knows what if a top ten sitting head coach,
(40:41):
what if he valued the most important thing to him
is stability.
Speaker 3 (40:44):
He wants to coach one more place for twenty years.
Call it good.
Speaker 4 (40:48):
There's still a couple of those breeds. I'm not saying
he would go to Iowa, but he'd look, he'd pray, good,
damn good interview.
Speaker 1 (40:56):
He'd look, I love it for as much as I
want KF to, And I'm like, like, KF is God,
that's an exaggeration. Yeah, for everybody listening. I respect the
man to the degree and I want him to coach forever.
But I know that at some point that is no
longer the case, and when that time comes, I cannot wait.
Speaker 2 (41:16):
I hope it's divulged.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
I cannot wait to hear the list of names that
took an interview, because I think I think the full
list of names might surprise the shit out of people.
Speaker 2 (41:31):
I really think that.
Speaker 1 (41:32):
I think that coaches around the country value the Iowa
job higher than any other person. Staff, fans, opposing fans
the play like. I think opposing coaches are going to
value that position at a crazy level. And that's why
it's going to be tough to see LeVar or Seth
(41:55):
get in that position. They have something that those other
coaches don't, But those other coaches potentially have something that
they don't either, which is head coaching experience at a
major college football level.
Speaker 3 (42:06):
So Seth Wallas is undefeated.
Speaker 2 (42:09):
I want to know, baby, want no want to know?
Speaker 3 (42:12):
I know again, I told you at the beginning of
the episode. We both said it.
Speaker 2 (42:16):
Wallace is my guy. By the way, Wallace is my
fucking guy.
Speaker 3 (42:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (42:20):
If I'm if, I'm if Tyler Kloever's tasked with picking
the next head coach, there is no search. Seth Wallace,
Welcome to your fucking office. Baby, you're the headman. But that.
Speaker 3 (42:31):
Who Damn Campbell?
Speaker 1 (42:34):
Yes, yes, a little bit like an older, slightly less
grisly version of Dan Campbell.
Speaker 4 (42:41):
And dude, I just piece thatid together in my brain.
I'm like, I've heard Seth Wallace on the sidelines. I'm
verting how he talks. I'm like, holy shit, this is
a carbon copy, like a slightly watered down, like less
roid heavy.
Speaker 3 (42:54):
And I'm not saying Dan Campbell's on steroids.
Speaker 1 (42:56):
But you know what I mean, Like, yeah, so, Joe,
you know I bring that up ten minute conversation there
to end this show of like it becomes more relevant
every year, And he asked, I'm fishing. I'm just I'm
playing it up. But at some point it's gonna be legit. Nobody.
I don't think anybody expected Lisa Bluter to come out
(43:16):
and say, you know what, I'm done, and maybe a
couple did, but it wasn't like everyone was just waiting
for it. We're further along in that process with KF
than we were with Lisa, and Lisa was like, fuck it,
I'm retiring KF. At any point could say, you know what,
me and Mary, we're going to Barbados, Iowah Hawkeye Football.
Speaker 2 (43:33):
You're on your own, and.
Speaker 3 (43:36):
Let me tell you this quick story about the Lisa
retirement quick. Then we ended.
Speaker 2 (43:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (43:41):
I won't say I'm not going to say the source,
but I was texting my source three years ago just
about you know, Lisa's future and kind of what her
timetable is.
Speaker 3 (43:50):
Be guys.
Speaker 4 (43:51):
I'm like, oh, you know, they have a chance to
elevate themselves, like there's a lot of things going for them.
Speaker 3 (43:55):
And this is before they beat South Carolina the Final four.
Speaker 4 (43:57):
Yeah, but I got the text message that said, and
I quote, I'll be stunned if Lisa I'll be stunned
if Lisa coaches past Kaylen Clark.
Speaker 3 (44:07):
Yeah, And I'm like.
Speaker 4 (44:09):
Really, I'm like, she still seems she's in the prime
for a career, you know, et cetera.
Speaker 3 (44:12):
And they just said watch and I'm like, okay.
Speaker 4 (44:17):
Right after that announcement dropped, I texted that same person
I went all the way back in my messages history,
replied to it and said, kudos, holy shit.
Speaker 2 (44:27):
And that's the thing, is like you and it was.
Speaker 3 (44:30):
It was somebody who wouldn't know by the way, right.
Speaker 1 (44:32):
And and there's there's people that are closer to KF
than than we are.
Speaker 3 (44:37):
Right.
Speaker 1 (44:37):
Uh, there's people that are and we're and me and
you are theoretically closer than ninety nine percent of people.
Speaker 2 (44:45):
You report and see the guy every week. I'm a
former player of.
Speaker 1 (44:48):
The like, but there's people that are closer talk to
him on a regular basis.
Speaker 2 (44:52):
There's also just the fact that when you're in.
Speaker 1 (44:54):
Your sixties and seventy next year seventy, like a we
are approaching it from a different mindset of like, oh
my god, you're the coach of a Division one football program.
Everything must be great. Everything Like the man seventy he
did it. He's got all the money in the world.
He wants to go spend it on his grandkids and
(45:15):
just chill like there is a life. There's a real
person behind the persona of coach Farence. Yeah, that person,
you know, the average I'm not gonna get into like
coach ference health issues. But like when you read seventy,
just at a population level, I think our life expectancy
in America is like eighty maybe even worse. Yeah, Like
you're not You're you're on the back end of your life.
(45:37):
Time to go enjoy life. So there is that whole thing.
Speaker 4 (45:41):
And I was just say, KF, by the way, for
people want in KF is in great shape.
Speaker 3 (45:45):
Oh, he's incredibly fit. Until he's still sharp as can be.
Speaker 4 (45:49):
Like I would not be worried from a health standpoint
about You're exactly right when you think about three or
four or five years, like statistically, something's bound at least
flare up er or And I'm not saying like turn on,
I'm just saying, like just normal things right, gets hard
to get out of bed.
Speaker 3 (46:06):
There's certain things that happen.
Speaker 1 (46:08):
I'm just saying when you're seventy, it's hard for you
and I at thirty thirty years old to imagine the mindset,
the energy, the effort that's required.
Speaker 2 (46:16):
And the motivation to go do that.
Speaker 1 (46:17):
When dude, when I'm I'm thirty, right, now, and I'm
already thinking about when I'm fifty five or sixty years old,
how done I'll be with any kind of like job.
Speaker 2 (46:30):
Yeah, and that's just because I'm a.
Speaker 1 (46:32):
Lazy piece of shit. But a KF is different. He's
different than me. But at some point you're done. Yeah, right,
And I think our whole conversation is I think there's
a lot of validity to it, and I again, it's
relevant whether you like it or not.
Speaker 4 (46:46):
And it's as close to being realistic as it has
been in the past several years, maybe outside of the
twenty twenty stuff. Yeah, Like it feels like we've talked
about this every year. I will say for the past
couple of years, I've never felt like it was all discussion,
but I understood why we had to continue having it.
Speaker 3 (47:03):
This is the first.
Speaker 4 (47:04):
Time outside of twenty twenty that it feels like it's
getting closer and closer to reality.
Speaker 1 (47:12):
Yeah, and it is, and it just inevitably is. And
that's the rabbit hole. I'll just title this one the rabbit.
Speaker 3 (47:20):
The rabbit hole. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (47:21):
Well, hey, we called it in the person ninety seconds,
like we're going to go on and on, like.
Speaker 1 (47:25):
Well, KF Press Review show lots of review today, a
lot of speculation could be all bullshit. It's kind of
the industry wearing it's just all bullshit. David Eichel joins
us once again, really enjoying the show man. I love
what we've done here this year.
Speaker 3 (47:43):
It's been all fun.
Speaker 2 (47:44):
It has been so much fun.
Speaker 1 (47:46):
And we'll have to find a way to touch base
continue it in some form in the off season, because
I love I love touching base.
Speaker 2 (47:54):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (47:55):
You're gonna hear this immediately on Wednesday as it drops. Thursday,
you'll hear the previous over marilynd five ten five show
with Coach Lima on Friday, and then the boys absolutely
have to win this one on Saturday. We'll talk to
you at those times.
Speaker 2 (48:11):
See then.
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Speaker 2 (48:31):
We'll see you next time. Hawks buy a million
Another KF press review show, a shorter press conference, but
it didn't lack in things to talk about. Coach Farance
off of a bye week after a loss brought an
energy that I guess you could say was a little
bit unexpected. David and I pick up on that, We
discuss it. The quarterback situation has come to an all
time moment. And then on the back end we go
(00:20):
tenfoil hat, big picture, Iowa football.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Let's have a day.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Let's go, David Hopson here, I just hit the go button.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
We go, It's go time. That's what we do. What's
the rollercoaster?
Speaker 3 (00:58):
This is a heck of a press yesterday.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
It was a little bit, uh, we have a fun show.
I think kaf was kind of on one in a
spot where he normally wouldn't be on one, wouldn't you say?
Speaker 3 (01:13):
I thought the same thing.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
I thought he came out of the gate joking immediately,
and I thought there was a time, There was a
time or two. I love over analyzing this. This is
it's so great. I thought he joked and he like
overkilled a joke a little bit too much, And I
kind of thought to myself, is Kurt nervous? Like it
just for once. It just seemed like he was slightly uncomfortable,
and you cultivate that with There was a notable name
(01:37):
that he didn't talk about in his opening statement when
it came to it, the injury front or returning from injury,
and that ended up being what half the questions were about, Tyler. Oh,
you didn't mention Kay McNamar in his opening statement.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
What I mean? What? What? What's the insinuation there? What?
What is this going on in the mind of David Eichel.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
While I already had my tinfoil hat theory after talking
to a couple of the players, I was gonna save
this for like ten minutes in.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
But don't drop it up now, I'm now, I'm so,
I'm I am curious. I I have I didn't have
any deeper, like crazy thoughts about this other than one
I have, maybe one that we're really open.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
To the rabbit holes.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Now I love a good rabbit hole.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
But you you go, you go. This is good.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Welcome into the to the Press review show. David and
I could go for ninety minutes today, who knows, I
don't know. In like an hour, there's supposed to be
some announcement about unrivaled.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Maybe Caitlyn Clark's gonna be joining that.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
No, no, Unfortunately this isn't a live show, so uh.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
No, I after.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Stunned.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
If she did, yeah, I don't know why. I don't
know why she would.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
In the twenty two minute clickbait. There can't have Caitlyn.
I may as well use her number as quick.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
I was gonna say. I mean, they they if it's
not her, they sure milk that thing.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
They you know, they're just milking the cash cow as
much as you can.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
I mean, it's on believable.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
They want to say that she's not this or not that,
but god damn, they use their every chance they can get.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
Huh would It would be the one of the more
stunning things of my journalism career, mean of actually doing it.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
We talked about that earlier this year, like a month ago,
like you got off her, Like there's got to be
like eight figures there, it's got to be something absurd. Anyway,
back to football, tinfoil hat, David, you talked you guys
get to talk to the players.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
So that's something that we.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Don't get because we always see quotes and actually I
saw somebody I was right before you hopped in. I
was trying to find a quote from I think it
was Castro or Schulta yesterday about.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
The inconsistent inconsistency of the team. We'll get to that later.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
But you guys, for maybe the fans that don't glean
this from just observation, you guys get the players first
and then you go in correct.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Yeah, yeah, okay, yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
So so we get the players at about eleven o'clock
every Tuesday, maybe a little bit before, and you know,
we got the chance. We talked to Luke Lache, We
talked to Caleb Johnson, we talked to a handful of
other players.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
And this is the interesting thing.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
Luke Lache was asked about Kate McNamara being back at practice.
Didn't ask if he was hurt, didn't ask if he
came back to practice, because I think a player will
answer if you say something along the lines of, hey,
I heard they're back at practice. How good is it
to have them back in the huddle, like what have
you seen from them or whatever, versus like you're asking
(04:23):
a player to tell about somebody else's injury, right right right,
Luke Lache said, I'm going to defer all the questions
about that to the head coach and immediately my alarms
are going off in my head because I thought you
could lie through that and no ways, give bat and
eye Logan Jones said, Oh, it's great. You know he's
a competitive practicer. He's ready to get back at it.
(04:45):
Both Stevens said the same thing as Luke Lache and
then Caleb Johnson talked about Kate a little bit too
right then and there, and I could be wrong about this, okay,
just FYI. Right then I was convinced Jackson and try
and starting them Saturday.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
And then of course yeah, and then of course you
get to the press conference and he doesn't they I mean,
I guess my my takeaway and I would I would
recommend those who listen to this show watch the press
conference because you get a lot.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
You get a lot from this, but you don't get
it all.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
And I guess my whether you call it nervous or
just like you know, we talked about last week or
a couple of weeks ago, you know it was with
the coordinators last week we talked about them just not
really having answers. You remember that, Like we talked about
coach Phil Parker just standing up there and being like,
(05:42):
I like his answers kind of Dan, they weren't like,
you know, they're they didn't have real, real hard answers
to why some of why they're struggling in some of
the in some of the areas that they are this year.
And I got the same feeling from coach Farrence is like,
you know he's talking about I think his quote was
(06:03):
something along the lines of, yeah, you look, in the
last month, you can get grab a couple examples of
us playing really well and being a good football team,
and you can grab some examples of the opposite as well.
And I don't know if they have I don't know
if they have concrete answers to to give your guys.
And then you take that to the quarterback situation, and
he said clearly cloudy about ten times as like a
(06:25):
joking sort of all encompassing explanation or status of the team,
of the quarterback situation, of their spot in the season
right now.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
I really think that they're they're on their heels a
little bit.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
Yeah, I do too. I do too. I think that's
the right way to read it, Tyler.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
I mean, it's one of those things where we can
push so far and I know people want answers, but
I truly believe at this point in time they don't
have any There isn't yeah, there isn't. There isn't an answer.
And I think we if we want to die in
the deef, I mean we.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
All season two, but oh yeah we do.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
They all The transfer portal I think is gonna be
something itself. Let's put let me put that way.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
I'm so excited for so tangent. When we do the
off season of this podcast, we try to heavy load
that almost exclusively if we could.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
It's hard to get two interviews a week, but we
try to.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
We try to heavy load that with just interviews of
either the guys that are about to graduate, any kind
of recent guy, any guy that played any Iowa athlete.
Just like interviews. We won't get yes every once in
a while. Occasionally, you know, spring ball rolls around. Sometimes
in the off season, something happened, you know last year.
The lesser thing, the higher all that. There will be
(07:42):
something every two or three weeks on average that's worth
us getting on and having a legitimate, saturated hour plus
conversation on. But if we were to try and do
that twice a week, there really isn't a lot in
the off season, like you're making things up and this
off season that's upcoming as the the content, Yeah well no, no, no,
(08:08):
not the the driving force behind what each of one
of our shows is supposed to be about. Knowing that
fans are expect like one or two episodes a week
from us, I am the most relaxed still that really
relaxed about it, but the most relaxed I've ever been,
because it feels like this offseason is going to have
(08:30):
the most to talk about and do episodes about on
a maybe a weekly basis.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
So yeah, no, that's that's without a doubt.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
I mean, the position battles, that, the roster attrition, and
the transporter, like, there's going to be concrete storylines that
you can actually go forward with instead of look as
somebody who you know does radio as well does writes
all this stuff.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
Hypotheticals are kind of.
Speaker 4 (08:54):
What we make a living off of, for sure, because
you know, people want to hear it, people want to
talk about et cetera. But there's it's could be a
lot to talk about. The quarterback situation. I'll tell you what,
that got even a lot more fun potentially, and By
the way, Marco Lyonez is back mm hmmiling any I
speak for myself and my immediate colleagues, aling anybody expected
him to come back this early, just based on the
(09:16):
injury and the surgery.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
It's a little bit surprising, quite frankly.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
But then you also got to think about you know
that they missed quote unquote on their.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
Last quarterback in the cycle.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
They're down right now, so does that mean they have
to take two quarterbacks in the portal again? And that's
where it gets really interesting as well. How much money
do they get spend on that. Iowa probably needs to
throw a boatload of money at an edge rusher because
they need to go to pass rush. I know I
talked about that with you last week. Like I don't
end me the job Brad Heinrix is going to have
to do. It's gonna be interesting. And I've said it before,
(09:51):
and this might come across as a little bit brash,
but there are people on our board and a few
people I've seen argue about whether they should start Kane
McNamara or Jackson Stratton. For as much as I've criticized
Kane McNamara, if Kane McNamara is healthie and I'll like
near one hundred percent you one hundred percent play him.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
It's quite frankly, it's not a discussion.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
And people talked about all they want to see what
they have in Jackson's Strandon Gay glimpse of the future.
If you were are relying on a walk on transfer
quarterback from Colorado who can lead four of his seventeen
career passes, who's playing.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
Scout team linebacker a month ago.
Speaker 4 (10:29):
To be the future of the most important position in football,
you have a hell of a lot bigger issues with
your football team than that.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
The Yeah, it's it's gotten to a really funny place.
Speaker 4 (10:40):
And no offense to Jackson Stratton, Like, I'm not trying
to like only kid, but you have to keep it real.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
No kid came in and bald did I mean, I'm
actually going to get to him in a second because
some of the more like looking past the superficial things
that kaf said and the way he kind of reacts
to questions. Yeah, I think there's a lot for at
in here in a second, But it is funny that
the question between Stratton orcaid I was in a place
(11:08):
a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Really, since the Troy game.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
I think was the first time you and I talked about, hey,
we should probably give Sullivan a chance here. Right when
it came down to when it came down to Sullivan
or Cad, there was this conversation of Okay, once you
figure out or are shown that they're pretty close, like
top end, what they're gonna be able to do as
far as winning ball games, Like you see the downside
(11:34):
of what Sullivan and his play style presents with the
turnovers and injury risk and all that. With the UCLA game,
you're like, Okay, so he's not Johnny Manziel, Like, he's
not the savior.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
Right.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
There was a point though where it was like, but
we have to play Brendan because he does give us
just that extra, that extra thing the defense has to
worry about, and and he is potentially the future.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Right now, after that game, you're like, okay.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
With the way that the transfer portal, and this is
going to be a discussion ten twenty times over this offseason.
All that offseason stuff is with the way the transfer.
You see what Colorado did in two years and the
way that they approach the portal. Other teams approaching the portal,
Indiana goes and gets a roarc from Ohio, Ohio, Like
(12:29):
what you can do in a one to two year process.
I get that Brendan could be the future, like, hey,
get him more time in the offense, get less all
these things we've talked about. But if you're a Division
one program, a top twenty program in the country, you
have to be a program that is when you have.
When you have what you have with Brendan Sullivan, that's
(12:49):
not enough. He's not the clear future either. So now
we're to the point where he's not even available anymore.
Really sucks, by the way, because I actually love watching
Brendan Sullivan where you're like, Okay, we're now back to
this hurt it hurt on and off again. Cade McNamara,
who has two to three games left in his career,
(13:11):
or this Jackson Stratton, who is literally like it's like
a circus. The fact that he's even playing. I've almost
swung back to Kate has likely got the higher floor.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Right.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Even if even if somehow, some way, in a couple
weeks worth of getting practice reps as a one with
the Ones, Jackson Stratton proves to have somehow of a
higher ceiling, you still You've put Kate in there. He's
just got too much experience. You've got two games left,
and I think at this point you do almost bring
into the into the picture. Like, Okay, at this point,
(13:51):
it's six and it's eight and four at best, could
be six and six. Kate is the senior he's given
a lot to the program, We paid him a lot
of money.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
All that stuff doesn't hold zero weight.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Let the guy play out his last two games, and
like we'll see what Stratton and Sullivan can do going
into spring, plus anybody else that we go out and get.
Make it a three or four quarterback race, and let's
just let Cade take us into the letter rip really somber,
very gray postseason. Let him, you know, let him have
(14:26):
his last three games like it's it's.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
There's there's one important thing that you'll appreciate that I
think you you missed a little bit. But I agree
with almost everything you said. They owe it to the
senior class to play the guy that's sure best able
to win them games right now, not to look in
the future. Look at Jay Higgins, think about all the
fifth and sixth of your guys, regardless of the results
(14:50):
of this season, think about the guys that for you know,
for gone the NFL.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
They didn't go to the NFL. They came back. Now, look,
they probably got paid a decent.
Speaker 4 (14:59):
Amount of money come back, but they're still getting paid
more in the NFL than they are to come back.
For the love of the program, Jay Higgins probably give
me an All American again. He won't win the buckets
because I think Iowa's records too poor right now, and
that sucks.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
He got robbed last year. I will stand on business.
That's crap.
Speaker 4 (15:17):
Jamari Harris sixth year, Sebastian Castro coming back. There are
Nick Jackson, who just passed Luke Kinkley in career tackles.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
By the way, is he number one?
Speaker 4 (15:29):
He's number two right now. He's like thirty two behind
the the all time leader.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
I would just would chance, I just feed that guy.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
I want him to get it. I want him to
get it.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
Run after everything, Nick, you get this tackle. I would,
I would get it for him.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
I don't know if you saw the clip.
Speaker 4 (15:44):
I told Nick that he passed Luke Kinkley and he goes,
you have to put an asterisk next to it.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
Luke did it in three years. I got I got
double his times.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
I mean, is potentially the like like when you think
football player in the dictionary, Keekley, I think shows up.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
That's another discussion.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
Bob Sanders is probably in that same category two Bob, Yeah, true,
but yeah no. So I mean I think you owed
to the seniors to play the guy.
Speaker 4 (16:14):
And like, regardless of how people feel about Kate, I
think we all know how people feel about Kid. And
I'm saying this is again you brought up your discord
last week as somebody who's probably been the biggest quote
unquote Kate McNamara hater among people. David, I cult the hater,
hater got the hater, aid, Kate deserves to play if
(16:35):
he's healthy, just based on what's available, and I think
the team would rally around him. But another thing that
I meant to bring up earlier about my tinfoil hat theory,
Caid wasn't a team cat in this week either, Tyler.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
Well, okay, so that's like, thank you for bringing it
back around. So then I was gonna ask David, why,
why then do we not really mention Kid as a
primary topic to start the opening statement? Why when asked,
like you know, there's three or four clarifying questions. Several
of your of your colleagues are like, Okay, hold on,
(17:09):
hold on, I'm confused about the kid, Like Kate is available,
he's back. But and then finally you get the answer
out of him that's like, yes, Kate has been cleared
to play, but we're not sure from now from a
coaching standpoint, if he can be effective. And we're only
talking about being more effective than Jackson Stratton. And he's
(17:33):
not a he's not a captain. There's no travel concerns.
He's been cleared.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
Welcome to the looney ben.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
This is just me having fun on a Wednesday with
David IICLT. But like, it's not nothing.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
I know this.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
If he was, we've had captains in the past and
again it could be nothing, could just be whatever. But
we've had captains in the past where if they were
in this situation, Uh, let me think of Let me
think of one James Morris, linebacker twenty ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
Ye, and he's probably on my own more underappreciated players
in my all time rankings.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
Sorry, I always think of middle linebackers. I don't think
he is.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
He is potentially, at least for my time, And I'd
love to ask, like coach this question in his twenty
six years of the most respected players all time, Yeah,
where does he rank? It's top ten for sure, and
in twenty six years. There's been a lot of players
in my time, he's number one for me personally as
a teammate.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
If James Morris got a concussion.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
And then all of a sudden, the next week he
was he was not clear to play, and a plane
ride and travel was gonna mess with his recovery, he
had to stay home. Somebody else was nominated a captain
for that week, and we came back and he was.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
Then available to play.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
James Morris would have been a captain again, one hundred percent,
no doubt.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
He would have been the first one unanimous.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Kate is so, so there's something there, there's something where
he you know, I don't know, but.
Speaker 4 (19:08):
Yeah, I'm not trying to Yeah, I think that's a
very fair point, and I think it's important prehapsing. We're
not insinuating anything about kid's character. But just like they're traveling,
there are certain things to and even again, another thing
that stuck out to me, Tyler was when Kurk kind
of joked, oh, I'll probably know who's starting Friday night,
but you won't. Well, does that mean Kate's traveling? Like
(19:31):
you better know before Friday who's starting, Well.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
He'll be, He'll be traveling because they just simply don't
have enough guys to not traveling. Yeah, But the thing
about that is like again, and this is where I
come back to, I don't I think they really are
on their heels, I think, And now we'll bring in
Stratton to this. I think the way that Kirk talked
about Stratton is really eye opening, both to him.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
Like my my.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Evaluation of it is Kirk is flabbergasted with how much
with how well Stratton looks, and again relative to just
like what we need in a quarterback that's probably still
not what we need, but relative to what Kirk thought
he would look like versus what he does look like
with just a couple of weeks of actual reps, I
(20:19):
think he is amazed at how well Stratton is doing.
The way he's talking about him, they asked how, like
what what changed in a week or whatever? Like, Yeah,
were how confident were you going into UCLA versus how
he's like I'm a whole hell of.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
A lot more confident.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
I think he's been pleasantly surprised with how Stratton's stepped
in and at least manned the position right. He doesn't
look like a like an absolute catastrophe.
Speaker 4 (20:46):
Yeah, And I think you guy think about how many
opportunities there are gonna be to make plays with Jackson
Stratton starts because you know, damn well what Maryland's gonna do.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Right, Yeah, they're gonna make him. They're gonna putting eye
in the box. Yeah, you're gonna have to throw the
ball at the ball and low key. I think he
might be able to do it.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
Like he made a couple of big throws last week
that was impressed by.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
To come in and throw on third down and just
start slang in it. Yeah, a couple of them were
like just past the defender's fingertips, the way that Lester
talked about last week in the press conference, how Stratton
is a guy who he didn't recruit, but if he
was in high school now he's the kind of quarterback that.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
He would reduce. Yep.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
I think, I mean again, this season is like whatever,
and there's actually I had I had a good sort
of point come to mind of why the season still
does matter listening to the press conference.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
We'll get to that in a second.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Maybe, but again, I think Stratton's rise in three weeks
and what he's been able to do in practice, kirk
Club's practice.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
And Caid's.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
You know, maybe this time without Kate as a starting
quarterback for the last two and a half games or whatever,
it's been a it's been a oh maybe we don't
need Kate, right, And now there's this indecision, there's this
gray area that is yeah, I mean Friday.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
We're just gonna see who's slinging it better.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
And I like, legitimately when he says, I don't know,
you guys won't know the starter, but I hope I do,
or I might I will, Like I think they might
actually make the decision on Friday. Not a good spot
to be for a division, but I think it's legit.
I think it's legitimate. I think I think a little
bit of kf sort of lighthearted, almost nervous energy, was like,
(22:44):
this is not a spot that we're usually in and
I'm gonna make light of it and jokes, and he
starts the thing off with like, oh.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
We've moved from twelve oh one to noon, like I'll
ask the questions what's going on with that?
Speaker 4 (22:55):
Like, see, I liked it, and you're exactly right. That
was the one ron he kept pushing a couple of times.
I was like, Okay, this is kind of funny.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
Yeah, but you're right.
Speaker 4 (23:04):
I think this is something that Kirk. I think maybe
the sick oh side of him is enjoying. I think
it's gonna keep him up at night a little bit.
But I think there's a sixth side of him that
he's kind of like, you know what, let they can't
let it rip?
Speaker 3 (23:16):
Because he used the phrase again, let it rip?
Speaker 1 (23:19):
And maybe yes, And I think maybe maybe to the point.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
Because there is a point.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
Where for the and I would imagine it has to
be now at least four losses, all the expectations, the
schedule lining up, all this stuff, there's a point at
which inside KFF, even if he never tells anybody else,
to him, the season is a disappointment or an underachieving season.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
I think we fit that point. I don't think that's
a hard argument to make.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
I think for everybody top down, starting at Kirk, to
the least, you know, to someone who's not even an
Iowa fan, just a college football fan. They're like, yeah, yeah,
we had an underachieving season. Everybody, one hundred percent of
people is on board. I don't think you can find
a person in the country that goes no, I don't
think they're underachieving.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
Unless you know there's wrong in the first place.
Speaker 4 (24:08):
Sure, I mean there's people with a certain distorted reality
and they'll say that, but guess what, there's nothing that
they can say. They'll actually back it up, right, because
there's so much easier to talk about what disappointing season
it is. But I'll tell you what, and again, you
and I will sit here six months from now, and
I'll keep it real with you. The over underwin toll
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for next year right now is going to be set
at five and a half. That's why I talk to
my guys in Vegas. It's half, and I think that
the more statistically, I think it's be mice one twenty
for under five and a half and over mice one
ten for over five and a half. But again, you
look at that schedule, Tyler, like three of the top
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five current teams in the college Football Playoff Poll are
coming to Kinnick Stadium.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
I'm glad we're in Kinnick and not there.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
Penn State, where I was going on it.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Yeah, I know, I get it, I get it. We're
gonna have plenty of time to talk about that where.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
I know it's like where I'm going like to go
back to Kirk.
Speaker 4 (25:11):
I think that's what also looking back is gonna make
this season a little bit more painful, just because unless
they find a way to do that one year turnaround
in that portal and they actually go all in on
the portal. I love Tim Lester's philosophy. I think if
they say true that mantra about every position every year,
that's exactly right, because that's how you adapt to college football.
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And the last thing I'll say about that specifically is
you brought up Indiana earlier.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
We're not talking about Indiana basketball, guys.
Speaker 4 (25:39):
We're talking about a bottom five Power five program in
the history of college football. I don't care about their schedule.
They have not just scraped by the teams they've been beating.
They've been destroying every team that they've been playing besides Michigan.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
But that's if I was an Indiana fan.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
This is just another tangent about what you do is
brought up, I would be so annoyed and over all
of the Indiana discussion with the CFP stuff right now
that just came out last night as we record this,
like the fact that there's even there's a ton there's
a huge push a lot from the sec side of
things to like, oh eleven, Like if if Indiana loses
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one of these, oh my god, their next game or
or one of these games, eleven in one, Indiana should
not be in Like I would be so furious as
an Indiana fan. Anyway, Yeah, I yeah, I think Kirk
is to the point where it's a it's an underachieving season.
I do think looking back you can say, like, oh,
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ten years from now, they're going to look back and
say that season was so painful. I think there's a
caveat to that that is, and maybe it's just an excuse,
but I think there will be the asterisk of but
the quarterback situation health wise did get so bad that
who knows if they would have even been able to
execute towards the end of the year, right like that,
that's always going to be a one if to the
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negative side of like, yeah, what if they were eight
and two right now. But then they have all this
quarterback issue and then they just lose to Maryland and
Nebraska because they don't have a quarterback and they still
see that.
Speaker 4 (27:14):
That's where I agree with you if that happens, that's
one hundred percent of me taken into account. When you
talk about the road struggles they've had, it's on the defense,
And I know, I know why it's been so disappointing
on top of everything else. It's just because we certainly
did not expect the defense to take that drastic of.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
A step back.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
And it's again, they're still a top thirty defense, which
is insane to me. Yeah, that's just because based off
eye tests. But maybe that's because you and I have
gotten so used to this elite top three, top five.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
I think it's I think it's everybody I talked about
this last week. I was like, it's so crazy that
we talk about the defense in the way that we
do this year, and then you look and it's like, oh,
the defense is twenty six in the country. Yeah, and
you're like, wow, that's really how spoiled we've been that
we're talking about the twenty sixth best out of one
hundred and third You're an eighty second percentile defense team,
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maybe eighty higher than that, and we're like, wow, we
can't win games.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
They got to figure it out. We're gonna like we
got to you know, we've got issues, right.
Speaker 4 (28:12):
Ultimately, it goes back to what I said last week,
which I thought was Some people may have thought it
was a hot take, but I'll stand by it. I
think psychologically Iowa broke when they lost to Iowa State.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (28:23):
I really really think that that just put the season
on a crash course. But it was set up to
not be as successful as we all thought in the preseason.
And I think ten years from now, when Kirk thinks
some of his most disapointing losses, that's going to rank
up at least probably in the top five to top ten, because.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
Definitely I'll put my stamp of approval agreement on that one.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
For sure. That individual game is definitely one.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
To look back at and be like, wow, that was
I always think about the Wisconsin game in twenty fifteen
as a ya as a call it a stepping stone
or a momentum game. And I go all the way
back to my high school career when I was in
at Marshalltown two thousand and nine.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Never barely ever, we never even.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
Made the state playoffs, let alone could like we were
fighting for winning seasons like five and four, six and
three was good. In high school, we beat West des
Moines Valley in two thousand and nine in the third
game of the year, last second field goal barely made
it over the post, and that game gave that high
school Bobcat team a confidence to go and win the
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rest of the games, run the table, go to the
state championship. Ended up falling short runner ups that year.
But if you don't beat Valley that, if we don't
beat Wisconsin in twenty fifteen ten six.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
Do we end up?
Speaker 1 (29:41):
Do we end up do we still have a great season? Yeah,
but do we end up beating Indiana? Because there's something
to that hole, like we haven't been broken yet if
you're undefeated, like in Indiana's got it right now, they're
like they have a better chance to.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
Go back to Iowa State when they got beat by Kansas.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
We still go in the following week and then they again.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
Right when you get cracked, it's not just that single crack,
like it makes yeah, further cracking easier and I agree.
I think that one play where noel Or Higgins runs
by Wampa for a seventy five yards, I think that,
and that that easy drive in forty five seconds in
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a fifty two yard field goal.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
I think that cracked us. And I think it. I
think but nonetheless like.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
That's but yeah, yeah it's over now, we can't do
anything thing about it. I think part of that, hey,
we've underachieved this year. Let it rip mentality is like
Kirk's just like, yeah, we're playing with house money now,
like we don't in a bad way, Like.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
We don't have anything else to lose.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
I'm gonna put my tinfoil hat on for this for
the last last part of this episode.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
Love it.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
And this is really reaching.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
Kirk's current contract goes through twenty twenty nine.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
Oh boy, yep, oh boy, Hey everybody knows where we go.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
Yeah, all right, I want coach Farence to coach until
twenty forty nine, right, yep, biggest KF guy there is.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
Yep, he was asked about you know.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
He starts with his opening statement of like, wow, I've
never you know, like college football, the way things are changing.
I've never had two saturdays in a row to sit
and watch, you know, because they played on Friday.
Speaker 3 (31:21):
Ooh, that's a good tip.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
Yeah, I've never had two Saturdays in a row that,
you know, that's new, never had that before. Talks about
his biggest concern right now is the distractions to the
players late in the season, and he says there's right now,
there's more than ever. Later on, he gets asked in
the press conference, he gets asked about Mark Farley, and
he likens himself to yeah, we're two of the same vintage,
(31:45):
and Mark Farley's whole thing is I'm out.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
I can't.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
I don't want to deal with this bullshit nil, all
this stuff. David, I'm asking you right here, right now,
thirty two minutes into this podcast, what is Kirk Farrence's
app but to continue coaching college football right now?
Speaker 3 (32:04):
All right, So this is not anything I'm hearing.
Speaker 4 (32:06):
This is totally gout feel So I want to preface
it by saying that, so people don't just start blowing
up about this.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
Right one.
Speaker 4 (32:13):
I think there are other issues as Farley. Yeah I'm
not saying, but I think he got pushed toward retirement.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
Well they're dogshit too right now.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
So that's yeah, Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 4 (32:26):
I give it a twenty percent chance that Kaeff calls
after this year, maybe fifteen to twenty. Okay, I don't
think kirk Ski finished his current contract.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
I think Oh I don't either. Yeah, I don't think
he makes it to twenty nine.
Speaker 4 (32:40):
I think he wants the big ten wins wins record,
no matter what he says about it and how much
he downplays it.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
Which he would get next years.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
If he wins it. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (32:51):
See, Okay, I won't I won't go that far. But
he's still I believe, five shore of breaking it right now.
So he needs to win out get a couple wins
next year. He probably get it at home. I think
they played Albany in the third game of the year.
I might not look that far ahead. I'm not gonna
say it's the most likely scenario, but I will not
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be surprised whatsoever if Kirk's last year's next season.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
Yeah, yeah, I would say if there was some weird
sick betting odds.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
Right now, you're like, okay, does he finish his contract?
Speaker 1 (33:23):
Does he He's not going to hang it up one
year before his contract, right, So is it twenty twenty
seven that's his last year? Is it twenty twenty six,
is it twenty twenty five, or is it this year
in twenty twenty four. I would say, if you were
to run that poll on Twitter and you had four
options and you don't get to like rank them, you
just get to pick one option. Yes, the majority percentage
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relative to the other options, maybe not over fifty percent,
but like it would be like thirty seven, thirty twenty five,
you know whatever that works out to equal hundred. I
think the largest percentage of the four would be he
finishes this year, he goes one more year, gets the
wins record, calls it after the twenty twenty five season.
That's probably where the best money would be betting on.
Speaker 4 (34:07):
Was That's where I agree again it's solely gut feel,
and to be honest with you, I think it makes
all sense in the world because I don't think you
want to see kf gwalaekit and fry.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
No. Nobody wants to see that.
Speaker 4 (34:19):
I know, I don't think and Kirk doesn't deserve that.
He's gonna get a statue. It's gonna be well well deserved.
And then I think that whenever Iowa gets in the
coaching search is going to be one of the more
interesting searches that the Big Ten Conference and even college
football quite frankly has had in a long time. From
the sole part of Iowa's the most stable job in
college football. Correct, without doubt, I think it's good top
(34:41):
I think it's a low end top fifteen job in
college football, no worse than top twenty in my opinion.
And beth Gets is going to have one of the
most important decisions and Iowas Leck directors ever had. And
that's when I think, and I talked about this off
the air one time, I said, Beth Gets is gonna
be the most important to higher in the last forty years, oh,
for Iowa athletics, because she had to replace Lisa Luter,
(35:03):
She's probably gonna have to replace Brands, She's probably gonna
have to replace Fraan McCaffrey, and she's gonna have to
replace Kirk Farns.
Speaker 3 (35:09):
Yeah, that's wild.
Speaker 4 (35:12):
That's a legacy that setting an entire generation of Hawkeye
fans up in whatever direction it's going to be, just
based on the leadership that she.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
Yeah in about in about twenty to thirty years, there's
a large contingent of Iowa fans basically our our.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
Generation, right, people in their young like twenties and thirties. Yep,
I'm not even twenty anymore. I'm not who are now
going to have the majority?
Speaker 1 (35:40):
Potentially, if these coaches stick around in that Iowa longevity
stays a thing and there's there's four coaches that step
in and they're all here for another fifteen to twenty years,
there could be a lot of and I guess if
it's bad at that point, then maybe there will be
changes made before then. But there could be a lot
of fans that are like, Wow, what a high Beth
gets where She then went on to hire four more
(36:02):
people who have continued this legacy of Iowa sports, or
Beth is going to have a lot of ins and
outs over the next twenty years, like oh that person
sucked for five years, get another one in here. It
is a the the weight of her decisions, those are heavy.
Speaker 4 (36:22):
I'm huge on Beth gets. I think she was an
amazing hire. I think she's done an outstaying job. She's
everywhere everything, all the time. It's really impressive. She's been
very accessible from ours.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
Yeah, yeah, what they do.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
I appreciate it's Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
The forward facing ability of an ad or at least
a good ad is is actually absurd to me.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
I don't think they ever sleep.
Speaker 4 (36:43):
I do think it's worth pointing out one thing just
to be a contrarian at least the other side of
the argument.
Speaker 3 (36:50):
Kirk is very I think you mentioned it.
Speaker 4 (36:52):
Kirk is very much like he doesn't want to leave
the program or whatever in shambles. He wants the foundation
remain the same and he wants it to be strong
for who the following year. So if he feels like
it's broken after next season for any reason whatsoever, I
can see Kirk going all right, I mean, I'm going
to take one more year. Yeah, and it put things
(37:12):
back on the right track and at least allow whoever
is going to be next to.
Speaker 3 (37:17):
Take off with it.
Speaker 4 (37:19):
And I'll say this too, as much as I respect
Kirk Farns from a just from a fans standpoint, like
from a college football fans standpoint, there is absolutely no
way that Kirk should be allowed to pick the next
Siowa football coach. And I don't think he wants to,
and I hope that doesn't light him in for some
reason he wants to. This needs to be a full
(37:40):
thorough search whenever it is because they never had one,
and Iowa has now sep enough of the history, a tradition,
the resources to be able to go out and quite frankly, Tyler,
they should be able to steal a power for head
coach if they want to.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
And this is what makes the hire so interesting to
me because and I don't think my feelings are going
to change on this. Part of me agrees with you,
part of me disagrees with you. I think he should
have it. I think there is a part of me
that's like, man, there's a reason this stability is so respected.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
It's because of what Chef has done.
Speaker 1 (38:14):
Maybe he shouldn't pick the coach, but he should have
at least be able to voice his opinion on his
favorites and then like, hey, if they decide to go
a different direction, whatever. But I think people should. I
think people should respect his thoughts and hear them. And
as a former player, and I think a lot of fans,
even who are like now, we don't want like even
(38:35):
fans who are like ah, fire chaff, you know, there's
been plenty of those with enough liquid courage on a
Saturday afternoon, I think even a lot of them are
on board if you say, hey, LeVar or Wallace are
the next head coach, Like, I think there's a lot
of excitement between those two guys, but because of the
stability of that job, and I agree with you, and
maybe it's just you know, it's like home bias, and
(38:57):
I think of the world of Iowa like it's going
to be a national like a tasty little treat that's
put up on a national platter. And to you can't
just say, this is not as easy as the Jan Jensen.
Speaker 2 (39:11):
Higher, right, absolutely not.
Speaker 1 (39:13):
It's not just like, oh yeah, Wallace you're in or
LeVar you're in. Football is bigger than women's basketball.
Speaker 4 (39:20):
I'm happy you brought that up. I said the sav
thing on Kicks and on Monday, I said the Jan
Jensen hire. There's never anybody else I can take over.
But it's a completely different level when you're talking about
not just fifteen players and you have three assistants, right,
you have over one hundred plus people involved in a
college football program. You need somebody with like that sort
of experience and you have to explain all your horizons.
Speaker 3 (39:41):
And I'm very happy you brought that up.
Speaker 1 (39:42):
And it doesn't mean that LeVar or Seth are not
the guy. I think they very likely are could be
the guy.
Speaker 2 (39:49):
But it does. But it has to.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
Mean that you go further and look at more than
just those two you because you might have some really
appetizing options, like you'd.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
Ever know Iowa can go out and get a power
fore head coach.
Speaker 4 (40:03):
I've said it from the coaching perspective, and this is
where I want people to keep. Just casual football fans,
this is what they need to realize. There's a difference
between how you or me look at top jobs, right Tyler,
versus how coaches look at.
Speaker 3 (40:19):
The top options.
Speaker 4 (40:20):
What are Iowa's resources, what's the stability? Like do they
want to be there a long time? Where are the
fans expectations versus the amount of pressure? Where are the resources?
How much nil funding they get get? What conference are
they and where are the facilities? Like you have to
take all of those sort of things in the contention.
Who knows what if a top ten sitting head coach,
(40:41):
what if he valued the most important thing to him
is stability.
Speaker 3 (40:44):
He wants to coach one more place for twenty years.
Call it good.
Speaker 4 (40:48):
There's still a couple of those breeds. I'm not saying
he would go to Iowa, but he'd look, he'd pray, good,
damn good interview.
Speaker 1 (40:56):
He'd look, I love it for as much as I
want KF to, And I'm like, like, KF is God,
that's an exaggeration. Yeah, for everybody listening. I respect the
man to the degree and I want him to coach forever.
But I know that at some point that is no
longer the case, and when that time comes, I cannot wait.
Speaker 2 (41:16):
I hope it's divulged.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
I cannot wait to hear the list of names that
took an interview, because I think I think the full
list of names might surprise the shit out of people.
Speaker 2 (41:31):
I really think that.
Speaker 1 (41:32):
I think that coaches around the country value the Iowa
job higher than any other person. Staff, fans, opposing fans
the play like. I think opposing coaches are going to
value that position at a crazy level. And that's why
it's going to be tough to see LeVar or Seth
(41:55):
get in that position. They have something that those other
coaches don't, But those other coaches potentially have something that
they don't either, which is head coaching experience at a
major college football level.
Speaker 3 (42:06):
So Seth Wallas is undefeated.
Speaker 2 (42:09):
I want to know, baby, want no want to know?
Speaker 3 (42:12):
I know again, I told you at the beginning of
the episode. We both said it.
Speaker 2 (42:16):
Wallace is my guy. By the way, Wallace is my
fucking guy.
Speaker 3 (42:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (42:20):
If I'm if, I'm if Tyler Kloever's tasked with picking
the next head coach, there is no search. Seth Wallace,
Welcome to your fucking office. Baby, you're the headman. But that.
Speaker 3 (42:31):
Who Damn Campbell?
Speaker 1 (42:34):
Yes, yes, a little bit like an older, slightly less
grisly version of Dan Campbell.
Speaker 4 (42:41):
And dude, I just piece thatid together in my brain.
I'm like, I've heard Seth Wallace on the sidelines. I'm
verting how he talks. I'm like, holy shit, this is
a carbon copy, like a slightly watered down, like less
roid heavy.
Speaker 3 (42:54):
And I'm not saying Dan Campbell's on steroids.
Speaker 1 (42:56):
But you know what I mean, Like, yeah, so, Joe,
you know I bring that up ten minute conversation there
to end this show of like it becomes more relevant
every year, And he asked, I'm fishing. I'm just I'm
playing it up. But at some point it's gonna be legit. Nobody.
I don't think anybody expected Lisa Bluter to come out
(43:16):
and say, you know what, I'm done, and maybe a
couple did, but it wasn't like everyone was just waiting
for it. We're further along in that process with KF
than we were with Lisa, and Lisa was like, fuck it,
I'm retiring KF. At any point could say, you know what,
me and Mary, we're going to Barbados, Iowah Hawkeye Football.
Speaker 2 (43:33):
You're on your own, and.
Speaker 3 (43:36):
Let me tell you this quick story about the Lisa
retirement quick. Then we ended.
Speaker 2 (43:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (43:41):
I won't say I'm not going to say the source,
but I was texting my source three years ago just
about you know, Lisa's future and kind of what her
timetable is.
Speaker 3 (43:50):
Be guys.
Speaker 4 (43:51):
I'm like, oh, you know, they have a chance to
elevate themselves, like there's a lot of things going for them.
Speaker 3 (43:55):
And this is before they beat South Carolina the Final four.
Speaker 4 (43:57):
Yeah, but I got the text message that said, and
I quote, I'll be stunned if Lisa I'll be stunned
if Lisa coaches past Kaylen Clark.
Speaker 3 (44:07):
Yeah, And I'm like.
Speaker 4 (44:09):
Really, I'm like, she still seems she's in the prime
for a career, you know, et cetera.
Speaker 3 (44:12):
And they just said watch and I'm like, okay.
Speaker 4 (44:17):
Right after that announcement dropped, I texted that same person
I went all the way back in my messages history,
replied to it and said, kudos, holy shit.
Speaker 2 (44:27):
And that's the thing, is like you and it was.
Speaker 3 (44:30):
It was somebody who wouldn't know by the way, right.
Speaker 1 (44:32):
And and there's there's people that are closer to KF
than than we are.
Speaker 3 (44:37):
Right.
Speaker 1 (44:37):
Uh, there's people that are and we're and me and
you are theoretically closer than ninety nine percent of people.
Speaker 2 (44:45):
You report and see the guy every week. I'm a
former player of.
Speaker 1 (44:48):
The like, but there's people that are closer talk to
him on a regular basis.
Speaker 2 (44:52):
There's also just the fact that when you're in.
Speaker 1 (44:54):
Your sixties and seventy next year seventy, like a we
are approaching it from a different mindset of like, oh
my god, you're the coach of a Division one football program.
Everything must be great. Everything Like the man seventy he
did it. He's got all the money in the world.
He wants to go spend it on his grandkids and
(45:15):
just chill like there is a life. There's a real
person behind the persona of coach Farence. Yeah, that person,
you know, the average I'm not gonna get into like
coach ference health issues. But like when you read seventy,
just at a population level, I think our life expectancy
in America is like eighty maybe even worse. Yeah, Like
you're not You're you're on the back end of your life.
(45:37):
Time to go enjoy life. So there is that whole thing.
Speaker 4 (45:41):
And I was just say, KF, by the way, for
people want in KF is in great shape.
Speaker 3 (45:45):
Oh, he's incredibly fit. Until he's still sharp as can be.
Speaker 4 (45:49):
Like I would not be worried from a health standpoint
about You're exactly right when you think about three or
four or five years, like statistically, something's bound at least
flare up er or And I'm not saying like turn on,
I'm just saying, like just normal things right, gets hard
to get out of bed.
Speaker 3 (46:06):
There's certain things that happen.
Speaker 1 (46:08):
I'm just saying when you're seventy, it's hard for you
and I at thirty thirty years old to imagine the mindset,
the energy, the effort that's required.
Speaker 2 (46:16):
And the motivation to go do that.
Speaker 1 (46:17):
When dude, when I'm I'm thirty, right, now, and I'm
already thinking about when I'm fifty five or sixty years old,
how done I'll be with any kind of like job.
Speaker 2 (46:30):
Yeah, and that's just because I'm a.
Speaker 1 (46:32):
Lazy piece of shit. But a KF is different. He's
different than me. But at some point you're done. Yeah, right,
And I think our whole conversation is I think there's
a lot of validity to it, and I again, it's
relevant whether you like it or not.
Speaker 4 (46:46):
And it's as close to being realistic as it has
been in the past several years, maybe outside of the
twenty twenty stuff. Yeah, Like it feels like we've talked
about this every year. I will say for the past
couple of years, I've never felt like it was all discussion,
but I understood why we had to continue having it.
Speaker 3 (47:03):
This is the first.
Speaker 4 (47:04):
Time outside of twenty twenty that it feels like it's
getting closer and closer to reality.
Speaker 1 (47:12):
Yeah, and it is, and it just inevitably is. And
that's the rabbit hole. I'll just title this one the rabbit.
Speaker 3 (47:20):
The rabbit hole. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (47:21):
Well, hey, we called it in the person ninety seconds,
like we're going to go on and on, like.
Speaker 1 (47:25):
Well, KF Press Review show lots of review today, a
lot of speculation could be all bullshit. It's kind of
the industry wearing it's just all bullshit. David Eichel joins
us once again, really enjoying the show man. I love
what we've done here this year.
Speaker 3 (47:43):
It's been all fun.
Speaker 2 (47:44):
It has been so much fun.
Speaker 1 (47:46):
And we'll have to find a way to touch base
continue it in some form in the off season, because
I love I love touching base.
Speaker 2 (47:54):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (47:55):
You're gonna hear this immediately on Wednesday as it drops. Thursday,
you'll hear the previous over marilynd five ten five show
with Coach Lima on Friday, and then the boys absolutely
have to win this one on Saturday. We'll talk to
you at those times.
Speaker 2 (48:11):
See then.
Speaker 1 (48:12):
Hey, thanks for listening to the show. If you want more,
you can check us out on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, and
YouTube by searching Washed Up walk Ons. And if you're
interested in supporting the show, head over to patreon dot
com slash Washed Up walk Ons, where you can find
bonus podcasts, merchandise, and other cool perks. Best part, half
of your subscription benefits the kids at UI Children's Hospital.
Speaker 2 (48:31):
We'll see you next time. Hawks buy a million
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