November 7, 2024 • 38 mins
In todays video we recap the Wisconsin game, and contrast the badger outfit to 10 years ago in style and effort. We discuss the emotional side of Coach Ferentz and how much that played a role into playing Cade as long as he did. We ask coach to define some secondary responsibilities of a strength coach, and what roles they should play in helping the athletes with things like, Game Day motivation, nutrition, and building mental toughness.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Interesting episode today with Coach Lima always a good one
of course every Friday this year. With Coach Today, we
discussed the emotional side of KF and how that affected
the length to which he kept kid as QB won
interesting insights from a coach that was under Coach Farans
as well as myself, and then we dive into some
extra responsibilities of a strength coach. What does their job
(00:22):
totally entail. Let's have a day, let's go. Do you
(00:51):
ever see people or guys or coaches wearing stuff and
you're like game in at the wrong time.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Bro, I saw Seth at Bluebird earlier this year and
he was wearing a hoodie and I almost jumped him
for it.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Yeah, I just had to leave him in the in
the alley take.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
This and I'm gonna need you to I'm gonna need
you to let that go.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
That's mine now, that's that's mine.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Now.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
I thought I thought that these were sick. And I
get compliments on this on this one all the time.
This is one of your guys, is yep?
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Right?
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Yeah, because you guys designed uh, you guys had a
hand like occasionally in designing some of our gear.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Yeah, anytime that it said, like, you have the Iowa
Iowa Strength logo right on the pocket in the middle,
So yeah, those those came from us.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Any of the T shirts. This one right here, I
mean this is a straight ripoff of the usa PL. Yeah, yeah,
that's just usa PL.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
But hey, it's a copycat league man, it is.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Coach Ferns told me one time he said music and
football is never an original thought.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Yeah yeah, I think, yeah, you're right, at least the derivative.
Everything is a derivative of something.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Because we were talking about how like country music they
were remixing songs and I was like, but if like
a you know, a rapper or anybody else does it,
they're like they kind of get made fun of like
not being original. But I'm like, you listen to the
country guys remake a rap song or something, and it's like,
oh that's hip.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
It's like wait a minute, it'll go both ways there
you Uh.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Yeah, it is hard to have like an original thing.
The the the best designs, I mean even even like
for like the in the content game, you know, like
right now, the way I craft like our thumbnails or
like our Instagram posts, like when I make them, I'll
just go to like my favorite podcasts or my favorite people,
(02:42):
and just like, I'm just gonna do what they do.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
That's smart. That's what I do something very similar.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Yeah, it's it's all the same stuff. So yeah, I see, man,
some of the clean like black warm ups that the
guys have now, or like some of their some of
their like jackets that they get, I'm just like, ah, man,
they're just that's not fair. I will say this. Actually,
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(03:07):
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Speaker 3 (03:23):
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Speaker 1 (03:24):
Put our logo where the where the eye of football
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Speaker 3 (03:30):
Ironside.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
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(04:15):
I know everything about We.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
Need it as much as we can.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
So just a little cool little diddy to start the show.
I want to start with this. The first of all,
what do you think of the game as past?
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Oh so good to see, so good to see them
win big like that, Like that was awesome to see.
Still cautiously optimistic when you don't you know, the numbers
throwing are still not what you want, but you're just
happy to see a good win and put two.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
In a row.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
The dominance in the run game.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
Is so nice to see. As a strength coach.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Them boys were moving people.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
Now.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Yeah, I've especially against Wisconsin, and I guess it maybe
answers the question that we asked on this show last Friday,
trying to figure out is is this fickle led Wisconsin,
this new era twenty twenties, Wisconsin's still gritty? Do they
still have that kind of ah, that toughness, that meanness
(05:11):
that Wisconsin brought. I the game result and just not
even the result, but the way they play would tell
me no, it's not.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
To see that one statistic in the beginning of the
game where I think they had thrown the ball twice
as many times as they ran it, and it was
like in the first quarter, Yeah, like that's.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Just that's not Wisconsin.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
No.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
And it's not that it has to be right, But
when you're answering the question are they what they are?
Are they what they used to be? The answers No,
they just aren't.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
Man.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
I used to stand down on the sideline where the
specialists were on the twenty five yard line and just
watch them those offensive linemen play after play after play,
just road grade people Like I would just look at
our d line and be like, man, we're getting killed
out there, like our linebackers are just they're bringing I mean,
Wisconsin known for like double poll bringing guys through the hole,
(06:03):
like just absolutely, they're bringing the house. They're bringing semi
trucks through there and then they usually have the running
back like Caleb Johnson to back it up, and it's
just like, okay, well we're not stopping this offense, and
it's just not the same anymore. It's it's and you know,
from our side of things, it's great. You know, we
probably like it's it's good. It's good to beat Wisconsin
(06:23):
by thirty. I never did that, never did that. But this,
I mean, we ran the numbers on the recap show.
That's three of three of the last three, four of
the last five.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
That's awesome.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
I mean that's dominating. That's dominating for half a decade
in a in a border war right there. So Heartland
Trophy spent a lot more time in the building the
last few years than it did while I was there.
Uh the uh, the Brendan Sullivan experiment, going well, yeah,
I want your opinion on this. This has nothing to
(06:57):
do with strength conditioning. But you are around KA for
a long time, you know more than most people do,
like I do people Obviously, the biggest question right now
is like, well, if we would have had Brendan Sullivan
in there from the beginning, and there's like, you know,
there's two sides to the argument I think there is.
(07:18):
You know, we talked about on our show maybe a
month ago, probably like it might be time to give
him a look, you know, like give him a series
like they did, like they planned on last week and
then kid got hurt. He just took everything. How much
does KF have a soft side to Caid's been injured?
(07:40):
He we want to see what he can do. We
brought him in, he's been the leader of this team,
he's voted a captain. It's non zero, right, It's not
absolutely zero because KF is absolutely a player's coach for
a reason, and I think it would be dumb to
try and defend him as like, no, he's not emotionally
attached to his players at all. But then also see
(08:04):
him crying in the locker room and like, yonda is
the captain, the honorary captain this weekend and what he
is he was last weekend?
Speaker 3 (08:13):
Oh he was?
Speaker 1 (08:15):
And they came off the field for the coin toss
and he gave Coach a big hug and said I
love you to coach, Like as the game's about to
kick off and Coach damn near cried before kickoff. What
that's awesome? It's awesome, and I love that about coach
and you. You don't find that anywhere. No, Like, there's
(08:35):
not coaches that are or players that are that emotional
about the game and the relationships they have anymore in
college football. There's not enough time. Coaches and players aren't
in a place long enough to build those relationships. But
you find that at Iowa. You've got it at Iowa.
So it would be dumb to say that coaches has
a non zero emotional attachment. So I as a biased
(08:58):
KF lover, it's an interesting sort of like internal question
that I try to answer when people point out that, like, oh,
he's just too emotionally attached to Kate. They went and
got this guy. Everyone was yelling, we need somebody different
than Petris or oh we finally got you know, coach.
Coach and the staff and Tyler Barnes, they all go
out and get this guy from Michigan Cade. He comes in,
(09:19):
he earns the respect of his teammates, he's voted a captain,
he's got a lot of swagger and confidence off the field.
He comes in, he gets hurt, tears his acl again.
He's got you know, he's given his all to the program,
how much of how much emotional attachment do you think
KF has to a situation like that, and does that
bleed into ugh, we probably should have given the second
(09:43):
guy a chance a week or two. Do you buy
into that at all?
Speaker 2 (09:47):
I do, And I would also caveat it with you
can't bring in the other kid too early, because again,
Coach Farence, he said it, even I forget what game
it was. He's like, you know, Okaid's coming back from
you know, getting live reps. And that is true. And
you can't have somebody be on a short leash and
do what they do well. You have to let a
(10:08):
kid play. And so to think that he should have,
you know, been replaced after two weeks, no, three weeks,
four weeks, like you could start to talk about it,
and then eventually you do make the change. Like now
you don't almost need even have to really have the conversation.
It's like, hey, the team's going well. Like listen, you're
a great kid, and we gave you your chance. But
(10:30):
at the end of the day, especially now with the
nil money, like your job, you can be a great person,
but your job is output points on the board, and
you're just you're not the best option for us right now,
I apologize your role changes. Correct, Like again, you can
be a great person, You can do all those things,
and everything that you just said was true. Yes, he
came in and he transferred, and he earned the respect
(10:50):
of his team, and he's got the swagger off. Fine,
but on the field the results are struggling, and you,
as the CEO of the team, you have to make
the best decision. And so I think that's what they'll do.
I have no idea, but yeah, to think that KF
isn't emotionally attached to a kid that you know, came
in and earned the respect of his team and wanted
(11:11):
to be a leader one hundred.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
It's it's taught. That's a really tough spot to be
as a coach. Like I mean, yes and no, it's
a great it's a great spot to be. Like again,
like I said, I would rather have a coach who's
emotionally attached to his players. Correct, But you still have
to be, like you said, you still have to make
those CEO decisions.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
And that's where it's like you don't It's not a
what's the word, It's not cognitive dissonance. It's not like
oh if this, then that isn't true. It's like no, no, no,
You're still a great kid.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
We love you. You can be a captain.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Like, yeah, you said Kevin Ward was a captain, but
he was only on special teams. Right, sure, he was
on every special teams, but he wasn't you know, on
offense or defense, you know, making the highlight plays. You
can have somebody that's a you know, a captain that
has great effect on the team that isn't the best player.
Which is one of the best parts about Iowa is
you guys actually respected those core players, regardless of the
(12:06):
position they played, regardless of anything. If you were a
good person that did things the right way, you guys voted.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
Them as captain.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
And so I don't think Caid shouldn't be the captain
and Sullivan is the captain. No, but in terms of
who gives the team the best chance to win, because
I remember Phil even talked about this once we went
from Rudolph like there was this between Rudoc and Bethard
and fourteen Yeah, and you know Phil was like, man,
when you have to defend a quarterback that can run
(12:34):
and throw the ball like it truly is that extra
person that can do. You know, you have to consider that,
like Caid's not going to pull the ball and run
the ball.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
If he does, it's by the stake.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
He what's really tough is I Again another thing where
you have to consider his the entirety of the situation.
I think Caid when he was healthy, pre me stuff
from what I've seen with his Michigan clips and even
like a little bit of stuff like when his leg
has truly felt one hundred percent of Iowa. He's not
(13:08):
an immobile guy, but he isn't. He isn't like Brendan
Sullivan where he's like you can almost like see when
Sully they call him Soley, So I'm gonna call him
solely when Soley plays, he almost is just itching to
pull that thing, like he's itching to get hit.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
He's the one about he's like, let me, let me
get hit, like and he even said it in that
postgame thing. He's like, hey, I got my first hit
on the first play, and it was like and it's
the same thing in fighting, Like anytime I go and
you know you're sparring and you get that first punch
in the face, You're like, all right, now we're in it.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
That's Sully.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
You can tell quick tangent by the way. Uh got
contacted by one of our listeners, a very very loyal listener,
long time listen, Oh yeah yeah, said that he rolled
with you last week and was surprised how big you were.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
We're in the middle of we're getting ready to roll
and he's like, oh, what what do you do? It's
like I'm a shake coach. He goes, are you justin Lima?
It's like you should have you should.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
Not be a house.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
No, no, no, no, that's weird.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
I am, But how do you know?
Speaker 1 (14:08):
It's that walk on brand. We're just everywhere, you know.
He's like, man, this is surprised how big and strong.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
He was still getting it? Brother?
Speaker 1 (14:18):
How big? How tall are you?
Speaker 3 (14:21):
I'm just a hair under six three and I'm two
fifty five.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Must be nice and five ten just killing me. Yeah,
it's it's uh something about so like he played. It
is true. It was the same way for me, even
like and I didn't get hit a lot, but like
that first snap, that first punt snap, you go out
and then you snap the ball, you start to cover
(14:47):
and you get engaged a little bit by a guy
who's always a better athlete, and it's like, okay, now
we're now we're playing. Now, now we're and it like
you there's something about feeling the flow of the game. Uh,
it is true, and I mean it's one hundred percent right,
like the when you have I think there's the other
side to it as well, because when you say, when
(15:07):
people argue like, oh, it's so much harder to defend
a guy who can run and throw. Yes. However, there's
still a place for guys who are absolute just pure
pocket passers because if you look at guys Tom Brady
for example, bad example because he's the goat, but Tom Brady,
when you have a guy who's so good at timing
(15:29):
and checks the line, Peyton Manning, guys like that, who
they're not going to beat you with your legs, they're
not even a threat, but they're so good at the
passing side of things. There's a reason for that too.
There's there's a scariness to that as well. It's like, oh,
we can't no matter what defense we play, they're going
to find the soft spot.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
Right.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
So the problem is is Caid and his passing ability
is not in his control of the offense. It's not
at that level where it overrides somebody who might be
a lit maybe a little worse passing. Brennan looked okay
passing to me seven of ten this past weekend, but
it won't override his ability to pull it down and
he ran for he took us. He took a like
(16:12):
a fifteen yard penalty or whatever, which took away from
some of his stats. But he had like nine rushes
for fifty four yards. He's averaging like six a carry.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
That tush push was dope.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
What he jumped in the shammed him in, you know,
like that was a nice That was a good well executed.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
Nate Stanley, Nate Stanley sneak coming back, Stanley King of
King of quarterback sneaks. We have not quarterback sneaked it
enough as of late.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Well, it's gotten harder with somebody like that that isn't
able to kind of take it up over the top
or you know, go to the B gap or shoot
even extended to the C gap.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
Those kind of like muddle muddle sneaks.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Caleb Johnson's the best running back in the country. Facts.
I would like to see him lift weights.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
I wonder what it looks like too.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
I'm legitimately curious what training looks like in the in
there right now. I really hope that I would just
like to see what goes on in there. It'd be
interesting to see.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
He's built like a truck.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
Yeah, and I'm say, so tall. That's the like, that's
the thing that I keep seeing. It is just how
tall he.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Is, Like he's so smooth. You're not supposed to be
that smooth when you're that thick and big. Like when
he runs, his head doesn't move.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
Which is how it's supposed to be.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Man, everything we've ever talked to when we do max
velocity running or any of that is it's neck down
is stiff, but up top is smooth, smooth as fast, and.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
He is that. He is like textbook. He's the kind
of guy that you would throw like on a power
point if you're giving a strength conditioning presentation, like you
want to see a guy run, right, it's this guy.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Yeah, and he you really you can tell how much
Like from what it looks like, it looks like he
really loves his teammates and his own life, Like they
just have so much fun, which is how it's supposed
to be. And like for me personally, being a former
offensive lineman. Like seeing the bond that they have. It
brings me back to what I had with the running
back Bruce. And I love seeing the linemen like actually
(18:15):
going and picking Caleb up because like that's your running back,
like it's you love seeing that pride.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
It's fun to see it go both ways where the
line is dominating and it helps Caleb, and then Caleb
does some things that help the offensive line a little
bit because they help each other yep. And then yeah,
the celebration and just the love for each others is fun.
On this week's docket, I had I wanted to ask
you the what I wanted to ask you some things
(18:45):
that are jobs of the strength coach that aren't necessarily
obvious under the title of strength coach, and maybe they are.
Maybe your opinion will be yes, this is something the
strength coach needs to do, or no it is not,
and maybe you have something your own. But the first
thing that came to mind is, like the Northwestern strength
coach with his shirt off, hype hype man, is that
(19:11):
the job of the strength coach? Or where does that fault?
What is how much of that should be? Should a
strength coach worry about his responsibility of like getting the
player's jews, like and when does it go over the top? Obviously,
shirt off, fucking chest bumping people as they come off
the bus at the stadium is cross the line, But
(19:33):
how where does it cross the line? On the other
side of like you're not you do nothing? Yeah, to
hype up the players, what's your thoughts on them?
Speaker 3 (19:39):
Yeah, it's somewhere in the middle.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
And as the head guy, what you can do is
you can try to empower not even your subordinates, but
like the players that aren't playing to be the hype men.
So like, hey, if you're not playing, like sure you
can be the ones that gets the crowd involved in
the game or does things of that nature, so you
can manifest it that way. That's number one, And then
number two is just being truly authentically passionate, like back
(20:05):
to Wisconsin in fifteen, like CJ got hit laid out
of bounds and I'm like losing my mind on the
sideline at the ref and it's like does that help
part of the game? Yes, I do believe, And you know,
when a big play happens and you're genuinely excited, like
so it shouldn't be fabricated. It should just truly be authentic,
like it happens now with Centennial, Like we got one
(20:27):
of our guys late hit. I don't think it was
your brother. It was like one of the running backs.
He gets hit late out of bounds and I'm like
running out or like what the hell?
Speaker 3 (20:34):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (20:35):
Like, so that authenticness it it's not written. It's one
of those unwritten rules. But yeah, we talked about it
before the strength coach. You're the heartbeat of the team,
Like when the boys see you care about them, it
goes far. Now I say all that, and it's a
dichotomy because you can get upset really quick in the moment,
(20:56):
Oh it was a late hit. Hey they don't call
the flag. You have to flip the switch, be like
next play and be the calm head about.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
It, because you're just at some point you become the distraction.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Correct, you can be a distraction, but at the same
time you can be like you can help reinvigorate the guys.
And if you're just a mute that has no emotion,
yeah you're you're definitely just as bad as the guy
at Northwestern or you know, other people talking about fill
the sleeves, but they don't know proper terminology as a
strength coach, like you're not helping the profession at all.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
Yeah it yeah, it's uh, I feel like those guys
are like I don't know, obviously there's some sort of
rooted thing there, belief that's like on the strength coach
where the you know, like we're supposed to be the
guys who like get them ready to play, and part
of that is getting them just lit to the gills
(21:50):
on like adrenaline and excitement, and.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
Well what happens when the strength coach isn't out there
during the game, And that's what you always just try
to remind them, like, hey, y'all are going to be playing,
and sure we'll get like nobody likes to play. Like
I mean, come on, when you play in front of
Kinnick and it's rocking and it's their down and they're
playing the music, like, yeah, it doesn't take much right
and so but like if you can add to that
a little bit, like yeah, you want to add to that,
but like you shouldn't be the main cause of it.
(22:15):
Same thing in the weight room, like today, the boys,
you know, we had a great lift at Centennial and like,
are we part of it by having the weight room
set and the music loud and good music and every
and being excited.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
Yeah, one hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
So short answer, it's about authenticity and balance.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
Amen. Yep. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
I remember you on the broadcast playback of that of
that Wisconsin game when CJ got hit at a bounce.
You can see you on TV. You actually showed up
on the TV copy quite a bit.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
I feel like, yeah, this is true. You coached Davis.
Coach Davis was busting my chops one time after I
think it was the Minnesota game you were involved. He
got on, Yeah, well in like a positive way. He's like,
good catch over here by so and so He's like,
I'm pretty sure justin lim is excited down there on
the sideline.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
I think you got called out a couple of times
on like the Sunday film, like and here we go,
Lima's gonna tackle this guy right here. Pretty great nutrition.
How much is a strength coach? What was that was that?
Speaker 3 (23:24):
An?
Speaker 1 (23:24):
I was state cup? Oh no, just red? What's in there? Liquor?
Speaker 3 (23:30):
Greens Greens red creating and.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
Collagen tequila collagen for the joint in bone health? How
much is a and we have I have a at
some point we're gonna just do an entire nutrition episode
because I feel like and you can answer it, but
I feel like there's you guys play a big role obviously.
(23:54):
How much is a strength coach responsible for also being
almost I mean dietitian is a strong word, but you
know you're not licensed or anything like that, but a
nutrition coach, a nutrition performance coach, I mean it's it's
I don't know what to call it, but like much,
how much responsibility do you guys have there?
Speaker 3 (24:15):
Short answer, it depends on.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Where you're working and the budget of the organization that
you work with. Yeah, so higher levels the iowas we're
support we don't really do as much.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
We shouldn't.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
So if you look around, like the way that it
the way that it's done really well. LSU football does
a great job of it. TCU football just does a
great job of it. TCU football one of their assistants,
the head assistants, so the number two to coach, cause
his name's Ryan Jackson RJ. He's actually a registered dietitian
and so he helps organize all of the nutrition stuff.
So if you don't have a full time football nutritionist.
(24:52):
That's a fantastic way.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
To do it.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
LSU football the head of nutrition, doctor Matt Frakes. Him
and Jake flyn And are like best friends. Their offices
are right next to each other and the nutrition is there,
so they work in collaboration. But then Jake is able
to delegate it to Matt to do everything that Matt
needs to do to get the createam get the They
(25:14):
had this one drink called Tiger Blood. It was just
it was beatroot beatroot collagen so is pre right and
beta alani.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
So it is like pre pre training.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Because it's going to get you the vasodilation right, like yeah, oh.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
Yes, I'm about to take some in like ten minutes
because I'm going to the gym after this.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
There go. So that's the short answer. But like when
I was at Towson and we had at Iowa nutritionists.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
At Iowa, we didn't have a nutritionists.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
Yeah, but that was wrong. We should have like to.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
That's what I'm saying is I I absolutely believe it's
the biggest miss in the world to not have a
licensed or academic background person in nutrition for the team.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
I have to take this with a grain of salt.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
There I know the nutrition is odd staff that worked
at the University of Iowa, Tyler Bloom's wife, former player,
Like she's very qualified, not how much she's involved.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
I don't know if I was in charge.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
When we were there, she wasn't involved at all, Like
there was nobody.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
She was a new hire.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
But again, like to think that we couldn't have afforded it,
But that just comes back to lack of control, lack
of wanting to give up control in an.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
Area, and that was the problem.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
Like you you have to truly be willing to give
up control of something because we can support that person,
but the same way a nutritionist shouldn't be talking about
programming sets and reps. Right, we can support that person
and support that decision, but it's nice to be able
to delegate it and let them deal with it. But again,
it's somebody that doesn't want to let go of control.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
Yeah, I thought it was crazy. And the more I've
gotten into I have a couple of nutrition certifications.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
I'm not a.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
Dietitian your precision nutrition or what I want to get
the Persision nutrition one, but I've got a couple. I've
got a couple other ones that don't matter as much.
I know a lot about nutrition, all from just self education,
basically starting in twenty fifteen, when I started to like
really track my own calories and get into it from
like a nerdy personal level. I wasn't doing it for
(27:18):
the for Doyle, you know, my body weight was set.
I wasn't trying to gain or lose weight ward. And
I just kind of got into it on our own
and it was part of our education, like we were
exercise science majors, took some nutrition classes. But over the
last ten years, like I feel like I've gotten a
really good grasp on especially things that are relevant to
(27:39):
football players, like gaining weight, body composition, and how nutrition
factors into both of those things. Hydration, a bunch of
other stuff, and the body weight one is the big
one that always comes back to my mind because I'm like, man,
there was this such a big effort in like getting
a ton of these guys when they come into the
(28:00):
program to put on weight, put on good weight, good size, right,
But the specifics of that, at least from what I
can tell, we're very very very rarely communicated other than
just you need to eat correct, man. I felt like
that was vague, Like the more.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
I also didn't like and I think you and I
talked about this on Twitter one time, which Lord forbid
people talk on Twitter like it can be good.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
It was back when I was still at Towson. But I.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
You shouldn't only be allowed two pounds one way or
the other, because two pounds is somebody that weighs three
hundred and thirty pounds.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
Is like versus a guy who's one eighty correct.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
And so what we did at Tewson was we did
two percent, three percent, four percent, and we would we
we graded it that way. So I really hope that
it's not still just a two pound window either way.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
But we'll see that.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
You gonna fire me up, Fire me up, real good, coach.
That's fucking insane. Two pound window. Yeah, with how fluid
fluctuates and how much these guys are training and and
we just expected these guys, me is one of them included.
Luckily I didn't have to deal with a ton of
fluid loss during practice or like, but summer training sessions,
I was sweating just as much or more than the
(29:17):
other guys. True two like the way that the body
works and the like if for anybody that's weighed themselves
on a daily basis, and you're not even a Division
one athlete who's going through these crazy amounts of food
that you're bringing in and fluid that you're you know,
your body is producing to like cool you down. Like
the fluctuations are nuts. And we just expected college kids
who have a million other things to worry about to
(29:39):
like fucking find this magic window. Oh my god, that's crazy,
wild better ways to do it. The Nutrition podcast is
a four hour long podcast. I'm here for it, last
one for today, and there's probably a million of these things.
How much and this kind of goes back to the
(30:00):
getting into a little bit of the Doyle conversation and
the discipline and mental tough How much is mental resiliency,
mental toughness forging creating that a part of the strength
coaches role the job, Okay, because primarily you guys are
there to program exercise and training and structure the workouts,
(30:25):
but there's a mental component to that of dealing with
hard things that it's not just your throwing cavement out there, Hey,
do these sets if it wasn't be easy?
Speaker 3 (30:35):
Right?
Speaker 1 (30:35):
So how much is that and where is the line
on that?
Speaker 2 (30:39):
It's in everything that we do because, yeah, we're going
to program and you guys are going to train with
us five days a week in the off season eight weeks,
so that's forty sessions. And to us, it's doing hard things.
Is like training is going to be difficult. You know
that you're gonna sprint, it's gonna be timed, it's going
to be competed. It's going to be percentages of your
own one rep max. If you are not taking care
(31:01):
of your body, eighty percent is gonna feel heavier than
it should for the six reps. Yeah, you could have
two reps in reserve, maybe three depending on the day,
but if you're not taking care of your body, it's
going to expose you. So mentally tough people do physically
tough things on a regular basis because they take care
of their body away from the facility. And it's just
completely embedded. Because any slaptic athlete, client person can do
(31:25):
something hard one time. It's not hard to be like
we're gonna do the gauntlet, We're gonna do this Navy
Seal training and all you got to do is some
stupid hard training session for one hour maybe two hours.
Y'all talk to each other, say this is gonna be
a bunch of bs. We're gonna deal with it. But
that doesn't actually build resiliency. It's it is it's that well,
(31:47):
it's the stupid commercial where the guy slaps the big
ol'd like the tape on the big hole in the
tub and he's like, oh look, it's like, oh, we
have a big culture issue. Yeah, the flexol. We're gonna
slap this slap this mental toughness session on a team
when it's like, No, to be mentally tough is to
go through every day. You're gonna show up early, you're
gonna get something in your body. You're gonna eat when
(32:09):
you train, you're gonna eat after you train, you're gonna
take care of your body.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
You're gonna go.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
It's it's the daily process of that off season, repeat
it during the in season, repeat it in the off
season again, and do that for four to five years.
That requires a mentally tough person, not some Hey, take
your shirt off, wear it as a bandana for this
gauntlet training session.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
We're going through.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
The reason I use that word is they used to
do that before I got to Towson, Like, so this I'm.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
Thinking of the liver king, the I don't know if
you know who that is. The liver king does the
like full Barbarian where he like holds I think it's
like one hundred pound can. It's based on your body weight,
but you like pull on a sled, you have like
ankle weights on, you hold two kettlebells, and you like
walk a mile in Like with this, it's just like.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
We're gonna do the Barbarian.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
When when I got to it, when I got hired
at Teoson, the guy who was the assistant athletic director
became associate athletic director.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
He's like, hey, you.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
Got to be ready for like you know these matt
drills things that we're going to do. It's like, Nathan,
we're not doing them. When I get there, I was like,
I don't know what to tell Like he's like, you
know you got I was like, Nathan, I don't know
what to tell you. We're not doing it, like it's
not happening, and we didn't and he's like, how did you?
I was like, Nathan, we're just not doing it. Like
I'm in charge of this, it's not happening.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
And a lot of it by the structure of what
you're going to put the guys through You're you're exposing
them to that stimulus of it's going to require mental toughness,
resiliency to get through this day after day.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
I love what you said about the repetitive nature and
not only doing it once but coming back and doing
it every day, because really, the repetitiveness consistency is ultimately
the hardest thing on earth in anything, and.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
Any of our listeners out there, you want to do
something that's going to be harder, Like we talked about
exercises before, Sit on the echo bike and pedal for
sixty minutes.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
Tell me that that is not mentally exhausting.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
Come over to my house Thursday. We'll do it together.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
I can rapid fire or whatever other questions you have.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
No no, no, I I of a save some and
I have to kind of get going to But I
think that's there's plenty of those. You kind of get
where I'm going though. There's all these little things that
like you guys have a hand in that isn't necessarily
part of the job title, Like when you when you
when you justin Limit turns in his application to be
the head guy of the Towson program. It doesn't say
(34:36):
under there, you know, a bunch of these little specifics
about nutrition. Maybe it doesn't say under these things like
here's the mental toughness side of the job. You're gonna
do this, this, and this to keep our guys mentally tough.
It's just assumed. But when things are just assumed, there's
like gray area. And then you have one hundred different
programs across across the country and it looks very different
(34:56):
at each one, and to say it's done better at
other places than some is an understatement, Like there are
people who do it great and there are people who
fucking maybe don't do it at all. So it's an
interesting topic to me because there's just you guys have
such a there's a lot of responsibility, and I think
to go over some of those other than just hey,
(35:18):
how many bench reps do I do today.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
Here's another quick example for the listeners out there is
there's a school in the acc down south where they
were very very proud. The head strength coach is so
proud of the tradition of matt drills that they do
because of you know, the tradition of this school and
how it breeds these mentally tough kids that never make mistakes. Well,
(35:42):
they were ranked in the preseason top five, and I'm
pretty sure they have one win right now. And it's like,
if doing Matt drills turns people into robots that never
make mistakes, then why are you losing to teams that
don't have as much of a rich history as you like?
Speaker 1 (35:56):
Must be more mat drills, they're doing more correct.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
And it's like, if it's so good to and how
come you don't do it in season? Oh? Wait, because
it has nothing to do with football.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
Yeah, just a lot of wasted energy and time is
spent on stuff that doesn't matter. And that's kind of
the I mean, that's with everything. But cool.
Speaker 3 (36:16):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
Good episode. I have nothing else. I'm gonna go do
Friday game.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
You're listening to this in in the air. Maybe you
downloaded it the air traveling to the Rose Bowl.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
Out west, the Rose Bowl. Baby, we need redemption?
Speaker 3 (36:32):
Need it?
Speaker 1 (36:33):
I me and justin need redemption.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
Please boys please.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
It was bad last time we were there. Man, it
was good for about fourteen seconds and then it was bad.
Interesting spot UCLA just got a big win against Nebraska
for them, bad loss to completely different outlooks for those
two teams in that game. Maybe they're maybe it's a
(36:58):
good spot to catch them. They're like id and high
on a win. They go back home Friday night game.
It's supposed to be a decent atmosphere. Short week for
the boys. They'll be Thursday, travel day. It'll be a
little bit, a little bit different. They're kind of cooking
right now, though. I feel I like where they're at.
I think this is a good game for the Hawks.
If you're going out there tonight, enjoy that ballgame because
(37:19):
it's it's this is part of the new Big Ten.
So that's what we're doing. You'll hear our recap of
that game. Gosh, I suppose we could do it on
Saturday and put it out early. We probably won't though,
we'll just Kevin never shows up to the episodes anyway. Uh,
you'll hear us next week when we when we recap
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Interesting episode today with Coach Lima always a good one
of course every Friday this year. With Coach Today, we
discussed the emotional side of KF and how that affected
the length to which he kept kid as QB won
interesting insights from a coach that was under Coach Farans
as well as myself, and then we dive into some
extra responsibilities of a strength coach. What does their job
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totally entail. Let's have a day, let's go. Do you
(00:51):
ever see people or guys or coaches wearing stuff and
you're like game in at the wrong time.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Bro, I saw Seth at Bluebird earlier this year and
he was wearing a hoodie and I almost jumped him
for it.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Yeah, I just had to leave him in the in
the alley take.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
This and I'm gonna need you to I'm gonna need
you to let that go.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
That's mine now, that's that's mine.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Now.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
I thought I thought that these were sick. And I
get compliments on this on this one all the time.
This is one of your guys, is yep?
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Right?
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Yeah, because you guys designed uh, you guys had a
hand like occasionally in designing some of our gear.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Yeah, anytime that it said, like, you have the Iowa
Iowa Strength logo right on the pocket in the middle,
So yeah, those those came from us.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Any of the T shirts. This one right here, I
mean this is a straight ripoff of the usa PL. Yeah, yeah,
that's just usa PL.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
But hey, it's a copycat league man, it is.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Coach Ferns told me one time he said music and
football is never an original thought.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Yeah yeah, I think, yeah, you're right, at least the derivative.
Everything is a derivative of something.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Because we were talking about how like country music they
were remixing songs and I was like, but if like
a you know, a rapper or anybody else does it,
they're like they kind of get made fun of like
not being original. But I'm like, you listen to the
country guys remake a rap song or something, and it's like,
oh that's hip.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
It's like wait a minute, it'll go both ways there
you Uh.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Yeah, it is hard to have like an original thing.
The the the best designs, I mean even even like
for like the in the content game, you know, like
right now, the way I craft like our thumbnails or
like our Instagram posts, like when I make them, I'll
just go to like my favorite podcasts or my favorite people,
(02:42):
and just like, I'm just gonna do what they do.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
That's smart. That's what I do something very similar.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Yeah, it's it's all the same stuff. So yeah, I see, man,
some of the clean like black warm ups that the
guys have now, or like some of their some of
their like jackets that they get, I'm just like, ah, man,
they're just that's not fair. I will say this. Actually,
I don't think I've ever showed you this feature justin
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Speaker 3 (03:23):
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Speaker 1 (03:24):
Put our logo where the where the eye of football
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So just a little cool little diddy to start the show.
I want to start with this. The first of all,
what do you think of the game as past?
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Oh so good to see, so good to see them
win big like that, Like that was awesome to see.
Still cautiously optimistic when you don't you know, the numbers
throwing are still not what you want, but you're just
happy to see a good win and put two.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
In a row.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
The dominance in the run game.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
Is so nice to see. As a strength coach.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Them boys were moving people.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
Now.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Yeah, I've especially against Wisconsin, and I guess it maybe
answers the question that we asked on this show last Friday,
trying to figure out is is this fickle led Wisconsin,
this new era twenty twenties, Wisconsin's still gritty? Do they
still have that kind of ah, that toughness, that meanness
(05:11):
that Wisconsin brought. I the game result and just not
even the result, but the way they play would tell
me no, it's not.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
To see that one statistic in the beginning of the
game where I think they had thrown the ball twice
as many times as they ran it, and it was
like in the first quarter, Yeah, like that's.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Just that's not Wisconsin.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
No.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
And it's not that it has to be right, But
when you're answering the question are they what they are?
Are they what they used to be? The answers No,
they just aren't.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
Man.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
I used to stand down on the sideline where the
specialists were on the twenty five yard line and just
watch them those offensive linemen play after play after play,
just road grade people Like I would just look at
our d line and be like, man, we're getting killed
out there, like our linebackers are just they're bringing I mean,
Wisconsin known for like double poll bringing guys through the hole,
(06:03):
like just absolutely, they're bringing the house. They're bringing semi
trucks through there and then they usually have the running
back like Caleb Johnson to back it up, and it's
just like, okay, well we're not stopping this offense, and
it's just not the same anymore. It's it's and you know,
from our side of things, it's great. You know, we
probably like it's it's good. It's good to beat Wisconsin
(06:23):
by thirty. I never did that, never did that. But this,
I mean, we ran the numbers on the recap show.
That's three of three of the last three, four of
the last five.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
That's awesome.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
I mean that's dominating. That's dominating for half a decade
in a in a border war right there. So Heartland
Trophy spent a lot more time in the building the
last few years than it did while I was there.
Uh the uh, the Brendan Sullivan experiment, going well, yeah,
I want your opinion on this. This has nothing to
(06:57):
do with strength conditioning. But you are around KA for
a long time, you know more than most people do,
like I do people Obviously, the biggest question right now
is like, well, if we would have had Brendan Sullivan
in there from the beginning, and there's like, you know,
there's two sides to the argument I think there is.
(07:18):
You know, we talked about on our show maybe a
month ago, probably like it might be time to give
him a look, you know, like give him a series
like they did, like they planned on last week and
then kid got hurt. He just took everything. How much
does KF have a soft side to Caid's been injured?
(07:40):
He we want to see what he can do. We
brought him in, he's been the leader of this team,
he's voted a captain. It's non zero, right, It's not
absolutely zero because KF is absolutely a player's coach for
a reason, and I think it would be dumb to
try and defend him as like, no, he's not emotionally
attached to his players at all. But then also see
(08:04):
him crying in the locker room and like, yonda is
the captain, the honorary captain this weekend and what he
is he was last weekend?
Speaker 3 (08:13):
Oh he was?
Speaker 1 (08:15):
And they came off the field for the coin toss
and he gave Coach a big hug and said I
love you to coach, Like as the game's about to
kick off and Coach damn near cried before kickoff. What
that's awesome? It's awesome, and I love that about coach
and you. You don't find that anywhere. No, Like, there's
(08:35):
not coaches that are or players that are that emotional
about the game and the relationships they have anymore in
college football. There's not enough time. Coaches and players aren't
in a place long enough to build those relationships. But
you find that at Iowa. You've got it at Iowa.
So it would be dumb to say that coaches has
a non zero emotional attachment. So I as a biased
(08:58):
KF lover, it's an interesting sort of like internal question
that I try to answer when people point out that, like, oh,
he's just too emotionally attached to Kate. They went and
got this guy. Everyone was yelling, we need somebody different
than Petris or oh we finally got you know, coach.
Coach and the staff and Tyler Barnes, they all go
out and get this guy from Michigan Cade. He comes in,
(09:19):
he earns the respect of his teammates, he's voted a captain,
he's got a lot of swagger and confidence off the field.
He comes in, he gets hurt, tears his acl again.
He's got you know, he's given his all to the program,
how much of how much emotional attachment do you think
KF has to a situation like that, and does that
bleed into ugh, we probably should have given the second
(09:43):
guy a chance a week or two. Do you buy
into that at all?
Speaker 2 (09:47):
I do, And I would also caveat it with you
can't bring in the other kid too early, because again,
Coach Farence, he said it, even I forget what game
it was. He's like, you know, Okaid's coming back from
you know, getting live reps. And that is true. And
you can't have somebody be on a short leash and
do what they do well. You have to let a
(10:08):
kid play. And so to think that he should have,
you know, been replaced after two weeks, no, three weeks,
four weeks, like you could start to talk about it,
and then eventually you do make the change. Like now
you don't almost need even have to really have the conversation.
It's like, hey, the team's going well. Like listen, you're
a great kid, and we gave you your chance. But
(10:30):
at the end of the day, especially now with the
nil money, like your job, you can be a great person,
but your job is output points on the board, and
you're just you're not the best option for us right now,
I apologize your role changes. Correct, Like again, you can
be a great person, You can do all those things,
and everything that you just said was true. Yes, he
came in and he transferred, and he earned the respect
(10:50):
of his team, and he's got the swagger off. Fine,
but on the field the results are struggling, and you,
as the CEO of the team, you have to make
the best decision. And so I think that's what they'll do.
I have no idea, but yeah, to think that KF
isn't emotionally attached to a kid that you know, came
in and earned the respect of his team and wanted
(11:11):
to be a leader one hundred.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
It's it's taught. That's a really tough spot to be
as a coach. Like I mean, yes and no, it's
a great it's a great spot to be. Like again,
like I said, I would rather have a coach who's
emotionally attached to his players. Correct, But you still have
to be, like you said, you still have to make
those CEO decisions.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
And that's where it's like you don't It's not a
what's the word, It's not cognitive dissonance. It's not like
oh if this, then that isn't true. It's like no, no, no,
You're still a great kid.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
We love you. You can be a captain.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Like, yeah, you said Kevin Ward was a captain, but
he was only on special teams. Right, sure, he was
on every special teams, but he wasn't you know, on
offense or defense, you know, making the highlight plays. You
can have somebody that's a you know, a captain that
has great effect on the team that isn't the best player.
Which is one of the best parts about Iowa is
you guys actually respected those core players, regardless of the
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position they played, regardless of anything. If you were a
good person that did things the right way, you guys voted.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
Them as captain.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
And so I don't think Caid shouldn't be the captain
and Sullivan is the captain. No, but in terms of
who gives the team the best chance to win, because
I remember Phil even talked about this once we went
from Rudolph like there was this between Rudoc and Bethard
and fourteen Yeah, and you know Phil was like, man,
when you have to defend a quarterback that can run
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and throw the ball like it truly is that extra
person that can do. You know, you have to consider that,
like Caid's not going to pull the ball and run
the ball.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
If he does, it's by the stake.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
He what's really tough is I Again another thing where
you have to consider his the entirety of the situation.
I think Caid when he was healthy, pre me stuff
from what I've seen with his Michigan clips and even
like a little bit of stuff like when his leg
has truly felt one hundred percent of Iowa. He's not
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an immobile guy, but he isn't. He isn't like Brendan
Sullivan where he's like you can almost like see when
Sully they call him Soley, So I'm gonna call him
solely when Soley plays, he almost is just itching to
pull that thing, like he's itching to get hit.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
He's the one about he's like, let me, let me
get hit, like and he even said it in that
postgame thing. He's like, hey, I got my first hit
on the first play, and it was like and it's
the same thing in fighting, Like anytime I go and
you know you're sparring and you get that first punch
in the face, You're like, all right, now we're in it.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
That's Sully.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
You can tell quick tangent by the way. Uh got
contacted by one of our listeners, a very very loyal listener,
long time listen, Oh yeah yeah, said that he rolled
with you last week and was surprised how big you were.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
We're in the middle of we're getting ready to roll
and he's like, oh, what what do you do? It's
like I'm a shake coach. He goes, are you justin Lima?
It's like you should have you should.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
Not be a house.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
No, no, no, no, that's weird.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
I am, But how do you know?
Speaker 1 (14:08):
It's that walk on brand. We're just everywhere, you know.
He's like, man, this is surprised how big and strong.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
He was still getting it? Brother?
Speaker 1 (14:18):
How big? How tall are you?
Speaker 3 (14:21):
I'm just a hair under six three and I'm two
fifty five.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Must be nice and five ten just killing me. Yeah,
it's it's uh something about so like he played. It
is true. It was the same way for me, even
like and I didn't get hit a lot, but like
that first snap, that first punt snap, you go out
and then you snap the ball, you start to cover
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and you get engaged a little bit by a guy
who's always a better athlete, and it's like, okay, now
we're now we're playing. Now, now we're and it like
you there's something about feeling the flow of the game. Uh,
it is true, and I mean it's one hundred percent right,
like the when you have I think there's the other
side to it as well, because when you say, when
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people argue like, oh, it's so much harder to defend
a guy who can run and throw. Yes. However, there's
still a place for guys who are absolute just pure
pocket passers because if you look at guys Tom Brady
for example, bad example because he's the goat, but Tom Brady,
when you have a guy who's so good at timing
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and checks the line, Peyton Manning, guys like that, who
they're not going to beat you with your legs, they're
not even a threat, but they're so good at the
passing side of things. There's a reason for that too.
There's there's a scariness to that as well. It's like, oh,
we can't no matter what defense we play, they're going
to find the soft spot.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
Right.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
So the problem is is Caid and his passing ability
is not in his control of the offense. It's not
at that level where it overrides somebody who might be
a lit maybe a little worse passing. Brennan looked okay
passing to me seven of ten this past weekend, but
it won't override his ability to pull it down and
he ran for he took us. He took a like
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a fifteen yard penalty or whatever, which took away from
some of his stats. But he had like nine rushes
for fifty four yards. He's averaging like six a carry.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
That tush push was dope.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
What he jumped in the shammed him in, you know,
like that was a nice That was a good well executed.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
Nate Stanley, Nate Stanley sneak coming back, Stanley King of
King of quarterback sneaks. We have not quarterback sneaked it
enough as of late.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Well, it's gotten harder with somebody like that that isn't
able to kind of take it up over the top
or you know, go to the B gap or shoot
even extended to the C gap.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
Those kind of like muddle muddle sneaks.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Caleb Johnson's the best running back in the country. Facts.
I would like to see him lift weights.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
I wonder what it looks like too.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
I'm legitimately curious what training looks like in the in
there right now. I really hope that I would just
like to see what goes on in there. It'd be
interesting to see.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
He's built like a truck.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
Yeah, and I'm say, so tall. That's the like, that's
the thing that I keep seeing. It is just how
tall he.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Is, Like he's so smooth. You're not supposed to be
that smooth when you're that thick and big. Like when
he runs, his head doesn't move.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
Which is how it's supposed to be.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Man, everything we've ever talked to when we do max
velocity running or any of that is it's neck down
is stiff, but up top is smooth, smooth as fast, and.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
He is that. He is like textbook. He's the kind
of guy that you would throw like on a power
point if you're giving a strength conditioning presentation, like you
want to see a guy run, right, it's this guy.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Yeah, and he you really you can tell how much
Like from what it looks like, it looks like he
really loves his teammates and his own life, Like they
just have so much fun, which is how it's supposed
to be. And like for me personally, being a former
offensive lineman. Like seeing the bond that they have. It
brings me back to what I had with the running
back Bruce. And I love seeing the linemen like actually
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going and picking Caleb up because like that's your running back,
like it's you love seeing that pride.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
It's fun to see it go both ways where the
line is dominating and it helps Caleb, and then Caleb
does some things that help the offensive line a little
bit because they help each other yep. And then yeah,
the celebration and just the love for each others is fun.
On this week's docket, I had I wanted to ask
you the what I wanted to ask you some things
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that are jobs of the strength coach that aren't necessarily
obvious under the title of strength coach, and maybe they are.
Maybe your opinion will be yes, this is something the
strength coach needs to do, or no it is not,
and maybe you have something your own. But the first
thing that came to mind is, like the Northwestern strength
coach with his shirt off, hype hype man, is that
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the job of the strength coach? Or where does that fault?
What is how much of that should be? Should a
strength coach worry about his responsibility of like getting the
player's jews, like and when does it go over the top? Obviously,
shirt off, fucking chest bumping people as they come off
the bus at the stadium is cross the line, But
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how where does it cross the line? On the other
side of like you're not you do nothing? Yeah, to
hype up the players, what's your thoughts on them?
Speaker 3 (19:39):
Yeah, it's somewhere in the middle.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
And as the head guy, what you can do is
you can try to empower not even your subordinates, but
like the players that aren't playing to be the hype men.
So like, hey, if you're not playing, like sure you
can be the ones that gets the crowd involved in
the game or does things of that nature, so you
can manifest it that way. That's number one, And then
number two is just being truly authentically passionate, like back
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to Wisconsin in fifteen, like CJ got hit laid out
of bounds and I'm like losing my mind on the
sideline at the ref and it's like does that help
part of the game? Yes, I do believe, And you know,
when a big play happens and you're genuinely excited, like
so it shouldn't be fabricated. It should just truly be authentic,
like it happens now with Centennial, Like we got one
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of our guys late hit. I don't think it was
your brother. It was like one of the running backs.
He gets hit late out of bounds and I'm like
running out or like what the hell?
Speaker 3 (20:34):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (20:35):
Like, so that authenticness it it's not written. It's one
of those unwritten rules. But yeah, we talked about it
before the strength coach. You're the heartbeat of the team,
Like when the boys see you care about them, it
goes far. Now I say all that, and it's a
dichotomy because you can get upset really quick in the moment,
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Oh it was a late hit. Hey they don't call
the flag. You have to flip the switch, be like
next play and be the calm head about.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
It, because you're just at some point you become the distraction.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Correct, you can be a distraction, but at the same
time you can be like you can help reinvigorate the guys.
And if you're just a mute that has no emotion,
yeah you're you're definitely just as bad as the guy
at Northwestern or you know, other people talking about fill
the sleeves, but they don't know proper terminology as a
strength coach, like you're not helping the profession at all.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
Yeah it yeah, it's uh, I feel like those guys
are like I don't know, obviously there's some sort of
rooted thing there, belief that's like on the strength coach
where the you know, like we're supposed to be the
guys who like get them ready to play, and part
of that is getting them just lit to the gills
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on like adrenaline and excitement, and.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
Well what happens when the strength coach isn't out there
during the game, And that's what you always just try
to remind them, like, hey, y'all are going to be playing,
and sure we'll get like nobody likes to play. Like
I mean, come on, when you play in front of
Kinnick and it's rocking and it's their down and they're
playing the music, like, yeah, it doesn't take much right
and so but like if you can add to that
a little bit, like yeah, you want to add to that,
but like you shouldn't be the main cause of it.
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Same thing in the weight room, like today, the boys,
you know, we had a great lift at Centennial and like,
are we part of it by having the weight room
set and the music loud and good music and every
and being excited.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
Yeah, one hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
So short answer, it's about authenticity and balance.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
Amen. Yep. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
I remember you on the broadcast playback of that of
that Wisconsin game when CJ got hit at a bounce.
You can see you on TV. You actually showed up
on the TV copy quite a bit.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
I feel like, yeah, this is true. You coached Davis.
Coach Davis was busting my chops one time after I
think it was the Minnesota game you were involved. He
got on, Yeah, well in like a positive way. He's like,
good catch over here by so and so He's like,
I'm pretty sure justin lim is excited down there on
the sideline.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
I think you got called out a couple of times
on like the Sunday film, like and here we go,
Lima's gonna tackle this guy right here. Pretty great nutrition.
How much is a strength coach? What was that was that?
Speaker 3 (23:24):
An?
Speaker 1 (23:24):
I was state cup? Oh no, just red? What's in there? Liquor?
Speaker 3 (23:30):
Greens Greens red creating and.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
Collagen tequila collagen for the joint in bone health? How
much is a and we have I have a at
some point we're gonna just do an entire nutrition episode
because I feel like and you can answer it, but
I feel like there's you guys play a big role obviously.
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How much is a strength coach responsible for also being
almost I mean dietitian is a strong word, but you
know you're not licensed or anything like that, but a
nutrition coach, a nutrition performance coach, I mean it's it's
I don't know what to call it, but like much,
how much responsibility do you guys have there?
Speaker 3 (24:15):
Short answer, it depends on.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Where you're working and the budget of the organization that
you work with. Yeah, so higher levels the iowas we're
support we don't really do as much.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
We shouldn't.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
So if you look around, like the way that it
the way that it's done really well. LSU football does
a great job of it. TCU football just does a
great job of it. TCU football one of their assistants,
the head assistants, so the number two to coach, cause
his name's Ryan Jackson RJ. He's actually a registered dietitian
and so he helps organize all of the nutrition stuff.
So if you don't have a full time football nutritionist.
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That's a fantastic way.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
To do it.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
LSU football the head of nutrition, doctor Matt Frakes. Him
and Jake flyn And are like best friends. Their offices
are right next to each other and the nutrition is there,
so they work in collaboration. But then Jake is able
to delegate it to Matt to do everything that Matt
needs to do to get the createam get the They
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had this one drink called Tiger Blood. It was just
it was beatroot beatroot collagen so is pre right and
beta alani.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
So it is like pre pre training.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Because it's going to get you the vasodilation right, like yeah, oh.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
Yes, I'm about to take some in like ten minutes
because I'm going to the gym after this.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
There go. So that's the short answer. But like when
I was at Towson and we had at Iowa nutritionists.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
At Iowa, we didn't have a nutritionists.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
Yeah, but that was wrong. We should have like to.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
That's what I'm saying is I I absolutely believe it's
the biggest miss in the world to not have a
licensed or academic background person in nutrition for the team.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
I have to take this with a grain of salt.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
There I know the nutrition is odd staff that worked
at the University of Iowa, Tyler Bloom's wife, former player,
Like she's very qualified, not how much she's involved.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
I don't know if I was in charge.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
When we were there, she wasn't involved at all, Like
there was nobody.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
She was a new hire.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
But again, like to think that we couldn't have afforded it,
But that just comes back to lack of control, lack
of wanting to give up control in an.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
Area, and that was the problem.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
Like you you have to truly be willing to give
up control of something because we can support that person,
but the same way a nutritionist shouldn't be talking about
programming sets and reps. Right, we can support that person
and support that decision, but it's nice to be able
to delegate it and let them deal with it. But again,
it's somebody that doesn't want to let go of control.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
Yeah, I thought it was crazy. And the more I've
gotten into I have a couple of nutrition certifications.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
I'm not a.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
Dietitian your precision nutrition or what I want to get
the Persision nutrition one, but I've got a couple. I've
got a couple other ones that don't matter as much.
I know a lot about nutrition, all from just self education,
basically starting in twenty fifteen, when I started to like
really track my own calories and get into it from
like a nerdy personal level. I wasn't doing it for
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the for Doyle, you know, my body weight was set.
I wasn't trying to gain or lose weight ward. And
I just kind of got into it on our own
and it was part of our education, like we were
exercise science majors, took some nutrition classes. But over the
last ten years, like I feel like I've gotten a
really good grasp on especially things that are relevant to
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football players, like gaining weight, body composition, and how nutrition
factors into both of those things. Hydration, a bunch of
other stuff, and the body weight one is the big
one that always comes back to my mind because I'm like, man,
there was this such a big effort in like getting
a ton of these guys when they come into the
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program to put on weight, put on good weight, good size, right,
But the specifics of that, at least from what I
can tell, we're very very very rarely communicated other than
just you need to eat correct, man. I felt like
that was vague, Like the more.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
I also didn't like and I think you and I
talked about this on Twitter one time, which Lord forbid
people talk on Twitter like it can be good.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
It was back when I was still at Towson. But I.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
You shouldn't only be allowed two pounds one way or
the other, because two pounds is somebody that weighs three
hundred and thirty pounds.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
Is like versus a guy who's one eighty correct.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
And so what we did at Tewson was we did
two percent, three percent, four percent, and we would we
we graded it that way. So I really hope that
it's not still just a two pound window either way.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
But we'll see that.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
You gonna fire me up, Fire me up, real good, coach.
That's fucking insane. Two pound window. Yeah, with how fluid
fluctuates and how much these guys are training and and
we just expected these guys, me is one of them included.
Luckily I didn't have to deal with a ton of
fluid loss during practice or like, but summer training sessions,
I was sweating just as much or more than the
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other guys. True two like the way that the body
works and the like if for anybody that's weighed themselves
on a daily basis, and you're not even a Division
one athlete who's going through these crazy amounts of food
that you're bringing in and fluid that you're you know,
your body is producing to like cool you down. Like
the fluctuations are nuts. And we just expected college kids
who have a million other things to worry about to
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like fucking find this magic window. Oh my god, that's crazy,
wild better ways to do it. The Nutrition podcast is
a four hour long podcast. I'm here for it, last
one for today, and there's probably a million of these things.
How much and this kind of goes back to the
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getting into a little bit of the Doyle conversation and
the discipline and mental tough How much is mental resiliency,
mental toughness forging creating that a part of the strength
coaches role the job, Okay, because primarily you guys are
there to program exercise and training and structure the workouts,
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but there's a mental component to that of dealing with
hard things that it's not just your throwing cavement out there, Hey,
do these sets if it wasn't be easy?
Speaker 3 (30:35):
Right?
Speaker 1 (30:35):
So how much is that and where is the line
on that?
Speaker 2 (30:39):
It's in everything that we do because, yeah, we're going
to program and you guys are going to train with
us five days a week in the off season eight weeks,
so that's forty sessions. And to us, it's doing hard things.
Is like training is going to be difficult. You know
that you're gonna sprint, it's gonna be timed, it's going
to be competed. It's going to be percentages of your
own one rep max. If you are not taking care
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of your body, eighty percent is gonna feel heavier than
it should for the six reps. Yeah, you could have
two reps in reserve, maybe three depending on the day,
but if you're not taking care of your body, it's
going to expose you. So mentally tough people do physically
tough things on a regular basis because they take care
of their body away from the facility. And it's just
completely embedded. Because any slaptic athlete, client person can do
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something hard one time. It's not hard to be like
we're gonna do the gauntlet, We're gonna do this Navy
Seal training and all you got to do is some
stupid hard training session for one hour maybe two hours.
Y'all talk to each other, say this is gonna be
a bunch of bs. We're gonna deal with it. But
that doesn't actually build resiliency. It's it is it's that well,
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it's the stupid commercial where the guy slaps the big
ol'd like the tape on the big hole in the
tub and he's like, oh look, it's like, oh, we
have a big culture issue. Yeah, the flexol. We're gonna
slap this slap this mental toughness session on a team
when it's like, No, to be mentally tough is to
go through every day. You're gonna show up early, you're
gonna get something in your body. You're gonna eat when
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you train, you're gonna eat after you train, you're gonna
take care of your body.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
You're gonna go.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
It's it's the daily process of that off season, repeat
it during the in season, repeat it in the off
season again, and do that for four to five years.
That requires a mentally tough person, not some Hey, take
your shirt off, wear it as a bandana for this
gauntlet training session.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
We're going through.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
The reason I use that word is they used to
do that before I got to Towson, Like, so this I'm.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
Thinking of the liver king, the I don't know if
you know who that is. The liver king does the
like full Barbarian where he like holds I think it's
like one hundred pound can. It's based on your body weight,
but you like pull on a sled, you have like
ankle weights on, you hold two kettlebells, and you like
walk a mile in Like with this, it's just like.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
We're gonna do the Barbarian.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
When when I got to it, when I got hired
at Teoson, the guy who was the assistant athletic director
became associate athletic director.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
He's like, hey, you.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
Got to be ready for like you know these matt
drills things that we're going to do. It's like, Nathan,
we're not doing them. When I get there, I was like,
I don't know what to tell Like he's like, you
know you got I was like, Nathan, I don't know
what to tell you. We're not doing it, like it's
not happening, and we didn't and he's like, how did you?
I was like, Nathan, we're just not doing it. Like
I'm in charge of this, it's not happening.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
And a lot of it by the structure of what
you're going to put the guys through You're you're exposing
them to that stimulus of it's going to require mental toughness,
resiliency to get through this day after day.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
I love what you said about the repetitive nature and
not only doing it once but coming back and doing
it every day, because really, the repetitiveness consistency is ultimately
the hardest thing on earth in anything, and.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
Any of our listeners out there, you want to do
something that's going to be harder, Like we talked about
exercises before, Sit on the echo bike and pedal for
sixty minutes.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
Tell me that that is not mentally exhausting.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
Come over to my house Thursday. We'll do it together.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
I can rapid fire or whatever other questions you have.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
No no, no, I I of a save some and
I have to kind of get going to But I
think that's there's plenty of those. You kind of get
where I'm going though. There's all these little things that
like you guys have a hand in that isn't necessarily
part of the job title, Like when you when you
when you justin Limit turns in his application to be
the head guy of the Towson program. It doesn't say
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under there, you know, a bunch of these little specifics
about nutrition. Maybe it doesn't say under these things like
here's the mental toughness side of the job. You're gonna
do this, this, and this to keep our guys mentally tough.
It's just assumed. But when things are just assumed, there's
like gray area. And then you have one hundred different
programs across across the country and it looks very different
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at each one, and to say it's done better at
other places than some is an understatement, Like there are
people who do it great and there are people who
fucking maybe don't do it at all. So it's an
interesting topic to me because there's just you guys have
such a there's a lot of responsibility, and I think
to go over some of those other than just hey,
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how many bench reps do I do today.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
Here's another quick example for the listeners out there is
there's a school in the acc down south where they
were very very proud. The head strength coach is so
proud of the tradition of matt drills that they do
because of you know, the tradition of this school and
how it breeds these mentally tough kids that never make mistakes. Well,
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they were ranked in the preseason top five, and I'm
pretty sure they have one win right now. And it's like,
if doing Matt drills turns people into robots that never
make mistakes, then why are you losing to teams that
don't have as much of a rich history as you like?
Speaker 1 (35:56):
Must be more mat drills, they're doing more correct.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
And it's like, if it's so good to and how
come you don't do it in season? Oh? Wait, because
it has nothing to do with football.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
Yeah, just a lot of wasted energy and time is
spent on stuff that doesn't matter. And that's kind of
the I mean, that's with everything. But cool.
Speaker 3 (36:16):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
Good episode. I have nothing else. I'm gonna go do
Friday game.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
You're listening to this in in the air. Maybe you
downloaded it the air traveling to the Rose Bowl.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
Out west, the Rose Bowl. Baby, we need redemption?
Speaker 3 (36:32):
Need it?
Speaker 1 (36:33):
I me and justin need redemption.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
Please boys please.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
It was bad last time we were there. Man, it
was good for about fourteen seconds and then it was bad.
Interesting spot UCLA just got a big win against Nebraska
for them, bad loss to completely different outlooks for those
two teams in that game. Maybe they're maybe it's a
(36:58):
good spot to catch them. They're like id and high
on a win. They go back home Friday night game.
It's supposed to be a decent atmosphere. Short week for
the boys. They'll be Thursday, travel day. It'll be a
little bit, a little bit different. They're kind of cooking
right now, though. I feel I like where they're at.
I think this is a good game for the Hawks.
If you're going out there tonight, enjoy that ballgame because
(37:19):
it's it's this is part of the new Big Ten.
So that's what we're doing. You'll hear our recap of
that game. Gosh, I suppose we could do it on
Saturday and put it out early. We probably won't though,
we'll just Kevin never shows up to the episodes anyway. Uh,
you'll hear us next week when we when we recap
all this, all the programming, all the walk Ons, all
the time. We'll see you then, peace. Hey, thanks for
(37:41):
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