Nate Kaeding | WUW 600 - Washed Up Walkons

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is what I've wanted to do for a really
long time. Six hundred episodes in and we finally got
the man, Nate Cating on the show. A personal hero
of mine coming from the Special Team's room. When I
was growing up, it was Robert Gallery, Chad Greenway, Brad Banks,
Dallas Clark, and Nate Cating. His face is on the
All American Wall. Awesome conversation about all things Iowa, NFL

(00:20):
and beyond. Thank you guys for six hundred episodes. Let's
have a day, Let's go.

Speaker 2 (00:51):
Several times.

Speaker 1 (00:52):
So it was.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
But this was pretty cool. Weather was perfect and Noa,
Noah and Corey and all that. It was pretty neat.

Speaker 3 (00:58):
Yeah, former Hawk, I was at one point leading the Masters.

Speaker 2 (01:02):
That's right day one.

Speaker 3 (01:03):
He was a horned serious yeah about like what four
holes in he was? Uh, he was. He started off
minus two.

Speaker 1 (01:10):
I think, Wow, he's the kid who just graduated two
years ago.

Speaker 3 (01:15):
No, he he ended up transferring goes to Florida now.

Speaker 1 (01:19):
Uh, I think he's still at college nineteen. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:21):
Yeah, he can't even legally buy a beer yet.

Speaker 2 (01:24):
Oh he took uh, he took some Nile money down
in Florida. He got second in the US AM, which
is an automatic qualifier for the Masters in the US Open.

Speaker 1 (01:33):
Oh, we gotta have this guy on.

Speaker 3 (01:34):
Oh I didn't know he gets to play the US
Open too.

Speaker 2 (01:37):
Yeah, I think it's Pittsburgh this year.

Speaker 1 (01:39):
What's his last name?

Speaker 2 (01:41):
I said?

Speaker 3 (01:42):
I was like, I almost said Kating.

Speaker 1 (01:45):
It's Nate Cating. He's a he golf in the Masters. Anybody,
we're jumping in, uh halfway casual again here. If Drake
was still a host on the show, there would be
some grand intro, you know, uh gros Award, All American,
all this stuff. We'll talk about all this. We have
Nate Kating on the show today. This is what I've
been wanting to do for a while. But I like
to save the guys who have their face on the

(02:07):
All American wall in the complex for the big ones
we've had. We've had Greenway, We've had Stanzy, We've had
uh Tate. We've had a lot of guys, a lot
of dudes. This is the dude for me, as a specialist, we.

Speaker 2 (02:24):
Got to stick together.

Speaker 1 (02:25):
Maybe as a specialist, this is the guy Keith Duncan
did come did come along and put another face on
that wall. But Nate, you are a true legend in
the KF era in a lot of Hawkeye fans' minds
and uh and a hero for me as a former
specialist myself. So thank you for joining the show tonight.
We're excited to.

Speaker 3 (02:45):
Talk to you.

Speaker 2 (02:46):
Yeah, great to be here. Thanks for the kind intro.
You know, us kickers don't get much love very often,
so I appreciate that.

Speaker 1 (02:51):
Got to got to give you the love, man, And
you still look young as ever. You still look like
you could go swing the leg. When's the when's the last?
I mean, legitimately actually kicked your field?

Speaker 2 (03:02):
You know what it's kicking is one of those skills
that like, once they're done paying you a lot of
money to do it. It's not like you're out with
your kids, like booting a bunch of field goals. But honestly,
like I don't. I coach a bunch of camps and
work with young kids a lot and all every now
and then just kind of bump some like no step,
one step stuff. But I don't think I've swung like
a full on like forty forty five yards since I

(03:23):
hung it up ten plus years ago. So it's uh,
I just I cringe thinking about what would happen to
my groy and if I took a couple full swings.

Speaker 1 (03:31):
But I was gonna say, knowing knowing the ins and
outs of that and watching Miguel or Keith or some
of the other guys get hurt in their prime doing it.
You know, you get a little pole here and there.
I wouldn't suggest anyone go and take a full cut.

Speaker 2 (03:46):
No, not at all. You're I'm like a one dimensional
workout guy, and it's like, get me on a bike
or like jogging or something. I'm fine, but don't make
me go. No change in direction, no sudden movements, just
just straight forward, one one speed.

Speaker 1 (04:02):
You're not ripping off like a Kevin Casper five ten
five time right now? No, yeah, no change of direction,
no combine record setting moves out of me. You would
have been was Casp during your time or right before you?

Speaker 2 (04:14):
Yeah? Yeah, we overlapped. He was coach Woods's age, so
we would have overlapped one year. I think he was
that that crossed over between Hayden and Kirk. He would
have been they would have been seniors in Kirk's first year.
The wow, man, if I have that right, the mass
kind of fuzzy now, that we're getting ancient, but no,
you're right somewhere around there.

Speaker 1 (04:33):
You're right kind of a weird time. It's crazy that
Kirk is still coaching. First of all, it's not if
you know who he is, and just kind of the
fact that you are at the beginning of that career
and he's still, Like we just talked about before this,
you have kids that are in high school now, and

(04:54):
I know, yeah, and you could go like the introduce
I'm like, hey, this is my coach when I was
like when I was your age.

Speaker 3 (05:00):
Basically, has he coached any father son du as yet?

Speaker 2 (05:04):
Well, Mason, but he that's a great question. Casper would
have been like one of the first opportunities. But you
got coach Woods's son now, Basonly's going to be a freshman,
And that's a great question because that very well could
be the first one.

Speaker 1 (05:18):
Should get Kyler to transfer. He hasn't gotten any meaningful
time at organ yet. We should get him over.

Speaker 2 (05:22):
Yeah, but that's a that's a rare thing, right, that'd
be a cool That's an amazing story. I hadn't thought
about that.

Speaker 3 (05:26):
I mean, there's there could only be a handful of
coaches who've ever done it, like maybe Joe Pond's got
a couple. It's crazy Bear Bryant, how long was he
at Alabama? I mean.

Speaker 2 (05:38):
Mac Brown, he was a special thing having him, having
him here. I tell people all the time that, you know,
we moved back here after we finished in San Diego
about ten eleven years ago, and I said at that time,
how lucky I was. I felt like, you know, being
a kid that's born, raised here in Iowa City, played
for Kirk. A lot of my former teammates were assistant coaches.
I felt like I was like the luckiest college football

(05:59):
fan ever to come back and have have your own,
your head coach still there, that kind of connection to
the program. You know, we bike to we bike to
the games with our kids now and it's we live
you know here, just right in Iowa City, and it's
a it's it's very rare, and of course it irks me,
like I know it does a lot of other former
Kirk Kirk players and Hawkeyes, you know, and everybody starts

(06:22):
looking around the corner talking about next head coach and
all those sort of things. I mean, we gotta we
got a president, right, Yeah, Just let's just live in
the moment, baby, and just just be here and enjoy
what we got. You're on the right.

Speaker 1 (06:34):
Podcast for that. We won't go too deep.

Speaker 2 (06:36):
We've we've got a lot of kirk Homers here, I'm assuming.

Speaker 1 (06:40):
Yeah, I have been dubbed a kirk Apologist, a farens apologist.

Speaker 3 (06:44):
Actually there's some been some see more slanderous versions of that.

Speaker 2 (06:52):
You can't read the message boards, man, Yeah, I learned
that in my previous occupation. You don't want to do that.
It's not that's not good for that's not for the
psyche at all. Yeah, hit you.

Speaker 1 (07:03):
That's funny, because I mean I've been I've been sent
We're fortunate enough that this show has grown to a
thing where like we have some really diehard fans who
are on the message boards. I would never pay for
something like that, certainly not when we were playing, and
I don't have enough time or care now to do it.
But all get sent something every once in a while.
And it's been a while, Like I don't know if

(07:23):
you know who Drake Koolik is, Nate, Yeah, yeah, he
used to be the third host of this podcast, and
now he's off doing a little something of his own
and kind of stepped away from this, but when he
was on the show, there was a lot more hot
button conversation about us in the forums. I guess sure,
a little.

Speaker 2 (07:40):
More hot takes.

Speaker 1 (07:41):
Yeah, he's a he's a fiery character, got a lot
of opinions. I like it, And I've been sent a
couple of things about us on the message boards where
I'm like, damn, that hurts. It's so true. You see
ninety nine nice things about you and the one bad
thing you're like, I'm hung up on that. I want
to change that guy's mind. Right, But did you actually

(08:03):
get were you like on the San Diego Chargers message
boards after like.

Speaker 2 (08:07):
Oh hell no, I mean you like you hide the
remote at home from your kids and your wife, like
you you're listening to like NPR on the ride to work.
I mean, you're you're doing everything known to man. Don't
really avoid any and all of that. But uh, And
I do worry about the kids now, right, Like, and
I know that it's I got lucky because it's much

(08:29):
more prevalent these days. And you think about these kids
and now they're pseudo professional athletes or professional athletes. Every
want to look at it, and they've got to build
an online business, right Like, that's that's part of how
they monetize who they are and their brand, and they'd
have to be on their building and Instagram and TikTok
and Twitter or whatever that looks like. So you in
some ways as part of your business you need to

(08:50):
be more tuned into that. Or if you're smart, I
guess you have other people handle it. But I always
tell young athletes that I mentor you should do everything
should have a purpose and a point to it. Can
this is this going to help you be a better
football player on Saturday? And if you and I've yet
to hear any rationale that says checking your DMS and
your and your comments on Instagram or whatever is going

(09:11):
to help you go out and nail a game winning
forty two yard field goal or make the you do
the right pass set if you're the left tackle, or
be a quarterback and pick up the right read. So
it's you have to think about it, I think that
way and be able to tune those things out because
it is part of the It's part of the game,
right and you got to you got to clear your
head of all that stuff and go out and do
what you gotta do.

Speaker 1 (09:31):
The You mentioned the craziness of now, and it was
so much easier. I mean you you hung it up
when twenty fourteen, twenty thirteen.

Speaker 2 (09:40):
Yeah, twenty my live drafted in oh four and uh
I did nine years, so yeah, I would have been
moved back here in May of twenty thirteen.

Speaker 1 (09:48):
So right before serendipitously our career started at Iowa actually
because that fall was our first season, and twenty thirteen,
I mean I think or like had just started to
kind of go a little bit. Instagram was hardly a thing. Uh,
there was no TikTok like no, of course, the nil

(10:10):
and all that stuff wasn't we were way far off.
We were just we had two more ears until we
were getting fed walk on. I mean, paying athletes, these
guys don't even deserve food, and so it was a
lot easier back then. You're now and we'll maybe get
to this towards the end of the story of nakting.

(10:30):
But you're like entrepreneur, You've got your hands in multiple businesses,
and you sort of have since you've hung it up
in the football scene. Do you ever think back of
like how your mind works and how you would have
approached that Now, if you had all these quote unquote
business opportunities, I mean you were a kicker, although an
All American one, so you you would have had some

(10:52):
opportunity there.

Speaker 2 (10:53):
Uh yeah, maybe we would have been like at the uh,
you know, get a free car wash or something. We're
not We're not inking the Nike deal or the high
Z deals the stuff like that. But a little bit
I think that spending spend a lot of time in
the NFL and in those locker rooms. What always stood
out to me, whether it's La Danian, Tomlinson or Philip
Rivers or all the great guys that I played with.

(11:15):
I mean there a lot of these guys are are
one dimensional, right, and in good ways. I mean they're
family guys and when they're off the field. But a
part of being a professional athlete is putting the blinders
on and being able to focus on what you need
to focus on and having this relentless obsession with getting
as good as you can possibly get at your craft.

(11:36):
And I always make the analogy of like, hey, when
we're all in junior high or something, we get on
the train and some of us get off at the
next stop. In high school, that's as far as our
career goes, and maybe you get off at that stop
because you got hurt, or you're smoking weed behind the
school with your buddies, or you're too fat, or you're
too slow. And some of us are lucky enough to

(11:56):
make it onto the varsity team, and some of us
go on to play college, and there's a lot of
reasons and excuses and options to get off the train
and call them distractions or fate or you're not good
enough whatever that looks like. But I mean, you got
to start stacking all the right things on top of
each other in order to play at an elite level

(12:17):
in college and then of course to get onto the NFL. Right. So,
and some guys are just blessed enough with the skill
and the talent where they can eat a couple big
Macs before a game and go out there and have
two interceptions and do whatever. But like the rest of
us are just like, we got to have every little
detail and no stone left unturned in order to continue

(12:37):
on and can continue playing and continue to try to
get better and better and better. So I think if
I back then, it would have been become pretty apparent
to me that I needed to kind of tune out
a lot of that. I think. I think the lucky
thing of knowing Kirk and the staff is that I
know they have a good support system for the guys,
and when it's time to get in that building and
do what you got to do and focus on those things,
you do it. And now these guys have opportunity. He's

(13:00):
off the field, and I think they're good about like
drawing that line of demarcation where they can they can. Okay,
now I'm the guy that's gonna go off and have
do this sponsorship or shoot this commercial or whatever, and
that's that's great. But I think you really got to
be purposeful about not letting that creep into your time
and your and your mental mental kind of bandwidth, uh,
to a point where it starts to become a distraction

(13:22):
and it plays any part not not not allowing you
to get to the point and reach your full potential.

Speaker 3 (13:29):
Yeah, well, you actually spend a lot of time with
guys in the league and guys who had got endorsement
deals and such. Would you ever see that kind of
creep into two NFL locker rooms while you were there?

Speaker 2 (13:38):
Or I would say a little bit. But like I said,
like the the the NFL locker rooms, forty five dudes
and on the game day roster, fifty three on the roster,
and like those are all the guys that are that
are pretty good at it, right, Like I mean, yeah,
you might get the guys going up with all the
blaying and riding the Bentley and the bends in the
parking lot, parking it next to my Toyota camery or something, right,

(14:00):
but it's like, hell, yeah, when it's time to play, man,
it's time to go. Like you step between the lines.
That's a great thing about football in sports at the
college and NFL level is like there's nowhere to hide, right,
Like you're you're coming rushing off the edge and like
you're either going to get to that quarterback or you're
gonna get blocked, or you're gonna the kicks either in
or out or however you want to look at it,

(14:20):
and you got to go play. And that's that's the
reality of the situation. So it's yeah, I mean those
NFL guys they self select, right, Like you're either you're
doing it and you're there, or you're not doing it.
You're not there.

Speaker 1 (14:33):
If you're not good at it, you get weeded out
pretty fast.

Speaker 2 (14:36):
Oh yeah, yeah, probably like one of the more extreme
professional les that out there.

Speaker 1 (14:40):
Yeah yeah, it's kind of like the people who win
the lottery, Like the average average person wins the lotteries,
like broke two years later or something like that.

Speaker 2 (14:47):
Right, ain't no faking it out there for sure.

Speaker 1 (14:50):
That one track mindset is pretty not only exclusive to
the specialist position, the three specialist positions, but it is
a little bit more one lane than say being a
quarterback or having, you know, being a middle linebacker and
having a lot to worry about. A lot of guys
succeed in that one just like, hey, I have one

(15:11):
thing to do. I do the same thing over and
over and over again. Is that how you approach kicking?
Pretty much? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (15:20):
I think what I really fell in love with was
something that looked to the naked eye, super simple and
right when you get into it. But then you there's
layers to it, and finally you can appreciate this as
a specialist, right, Like, there's layers to how you prepare
for a game during the week. What are you gonna

(15:41):
do on Monday? What are you gonna do on Friday?
And how do you how do you continue to kind
of tweak that. What are you gonna eat the night
before the game, What are you gonna read? What's your
breathing look like, what's your what's your pregame routine? What
are you gonna do during warmups? What are you gonna
do when the ball crosses the forty yard line on
first down? Are you gonna kick it into the net?
Where are you gonna be on third down? And it's
your field goal? Ran Like there's all those sort of nuances,

(16:03):
and then like the world sort of opens up in
the off season, like, Okay, I was ninety one percent
last year, I missed three field goals, Like how can
I go out next year and be ninety four percent
miss two field goals? And breaking things down and finding
all these little minute I call them one percenters, but
little small details and things that you can do to
improve and be more consistent, because that's the name of

(16:24):
the game as a specialist is consistency. And how can
you just be a better and more consistent person athlete
in your preparation on game day? A clear mind, healthy body,
all of those sort of things. So I really fell
in love with that kind of relentless pursuit of continuous
improvement was something I really really fell in love with. Frankly,
like I enjoyed. I always kind of made this joke

(16:46):
with any kind of kicker, slow kicker saying out there
is you know, all your other teammates want to be
you from Monday through Saturday in the NFL, but comes Sunday,
they're all they wouldn't trade for your position for anything,
not a chance. So it was almost like the Sundays,
I don't see you dread it, but it's like you're
you know, there's a big sigh of relief when you're
leaving the parking lot after the game because that day's over,

(17:10):
right like, and then you're kind of into the worst.
I think a lot of the other guys like that's
their chance to kind of release and they gotta go
blow somebody up and run around and play seventy plays
where we're playing eight or ten or something like that.
So you it's it's it's the craft, right Like you
gotta love love the craft, love the art of improvement,
all of those sort of things. And I've always just

(17:31):
kind of been wired in that way where I just
became obsessed with really kind of halfway through high school
with this thing, this kicking thing, right, Like, I just
tried to figure out ways to constantly get better at it.

Speaker 1 (17:42):
I was gonna ask when was the first time he
kicked the ball as a.

Speaker 2 (17:46):
Soccer player growing up? Like I would say pretty much
most everybody, if not all, of all the guys now
in college and NFL, I'm sure were at some point
in time, probably like a lot of Reese Morgan obviously
Hawkey coaching legend, was a huge mentor to me. He's
my high school football coach. The year I graduated at
Iowa City West Hide and went on to Iowa, Reese

(18:06):
also took a job with Kirk that same year. So
I was lucky enough to have four years with them
at West Tige and then another four years at Iowa
and just a you know, a great human, amazing person.
And he grabbed me when I was a freshman and said, hey, shit,
we don't have anybody on the sophomore team that can kick.
Do you mind doing this? And of course I was
like one hundred and forty five pounds, like you know,
backup safety and receiver for the freshman team, Like yeah, shit,

(18:28):
I'll go, I'll go do this on the sophomore team
makes sense, and then kind of the same thing happened
the next year when the varsity team didn't have a kicker,
and kind of started to specialize a little bit more
in that in the fall for football about halfway through
high school, and played basketball and soccer, played all the
different sports throughout my high school career, but really started
to specialize on that about halfway through my through my

(18:48):
high school career, and like I said, just kind of
really enjoyed the off season and during the all of
it just going out with a bunch of footballs and
spending a couple hours and getting better at it.

Speaker 1 (19:01):
Yeah, Kevin, did I cut you off there before that? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (19:04):
So I was going to say, before you know, when
you're going through like your whole mentality of you know,
kicking a football. It reminds me of KF would always
pass out one of your quotes at least once a year. Yeah,
along the lines of take it one step at a time,
there is no big picture, which I think was great

(19:25):
message for a football team, especially teams with you know,
postseason ambitions, you know, winning big team championship, going to
college football playoff. It's like, I think he really wanted
to hone in on it' say like, hey, we just
got to be good today. Yeah, I have a good practice,
a good individual period, a good drill. The rest of
the stuff take care of itself if you do that.

Speaker 2 (19:46):
So, I mean, yeah, the best way I've ever had
to explain to me is there's for athletes. I think
the same rings true for business and probably life for
those people out there that make goals in life in general.
Too's like, you got what I would call dream, right,
Like the shit that motivates you when you wake up,
like as a kid you put the poster up of
Michael Jordan holding in the NBA Championship, or you've got

(20:07):
this the dream stuff that drives you and and pushes
you and that you really want to accomplish those big
picture things. But then that's really kind of this end result.
But then there's also this the process and these these
little mini mini goals, little mini objectives that you have
to do on a daily basis or weekly basis, or
in business like on a quarterly basis, And all those

(20:29):
little goals they lead up to accomplishing the bigger thing, right,
And if you're just sitting there at all points in time,
just thinking about I want to win a championship, or
or the other way to think about it. If you're
getting into the sports psychology, I was like, man, I'm afraid,
you know, to go fail or I don't want to
do that. You're thinking about like the result, whether it's
positive or negative. You're losing sight of the fact that

(20:49):
there's the process, right, and that's what you really need
to focus on. And that's really the microcosm of like
a kick or someone shooting a free throw in a
game or whatever that might be. There's like those little
boxes you need to check in the process of when
you're setting up a kick. You find your target, you
take your steps, you take your breath, you nod to
the holder. You just sort of check those things and

(21:09):
then it's sort of almost like your leg ends up
swinging itself and the ball ends up going through the uprights.
But if you're sitting there thinking, oh, there's my girlfriend
up in row thirty two, and she's not going to
want to talk to me if I miss this kick,
or hey, if I make this, I'm gonna I'm gonna
get a bunch of hot dates tonight, or you know,
you're thinking about all the results and negative or positive
consequences of what you're about to do. You lose sight
of the what you need to be focusing on. So

(21:31):
and I think that plays true in the moment when
you're executing that particular kick or play or whatever that
might be. But I think it also in the bigger
picture of a season. Like you said, like it's that's
the real deal as well, because you show up on
a Sunday if you got your ass kicked the previous Saturday,
and you don't take advantage of that opportunity to get better.
I mean, there's something you have to do in that moment, right,

(21:53):
that's going to that's part of the bigger picture, and
you need to focus on that Sunday, just the same
way if you had a big win on that, you
got to look you got to find the things you
didn't do well and improve on those. And the same
thing about a Monday and a Tuesday and all all
of that sort of things, and you start to really
you can't you can't look look out into the horizon much.
And I think footballs are great, probably the best example

(22:13):
of that in sports, because everything is so regimented, everything's
on a week, it's your rinse and repeat the weeks. Right,
it's thirteen of them. You get in that routine. Now,
now you might play a Friday or Sunday or Thursday
or something like that, but it's you need to get
in and each day is an opportunity and you if
you aren't focusing on that, or if your worst case
you're looking in the rear view mirror, you're you're losing
your opportunity to improve and get better in that In

(22:35):
that particular moment.

Speaker 3 (22:38):
Did you ever find it hard to you know, obviously
football players, like you said, weekly routine once you get
in the season, do you ever, especially as a kicker,
find it harder to you know, really dial in and
focus on what you're currently doing instead of just going
through the motions, because it can get easy it is like, bitch,

(23:00):
well it was like, hey, it's Monday, we got light
practice today and some light kicks or whatever. Is like
that versus you know, being very intentional with everything that
you're doing.

Speaker 2 (23:09):
Yeah, that's a great point. I mean, that's one of
the things that frankly I got probably a little bit
more restless with as my NFL crew went on, was
was just the monotony of it because these NFL guys
are showing up on like the third week in July,
and if you're lucky, you're there January and into February.
Right Like, that's that's a lot of groundhog day shit,

(23:30):
Like over and over, Tyler knows this better than anybody, Like,
especially for specialists, right Like, it's you're you're not. It's
not a very cerebral thing. Like I think the cool
thing about what people don't fully appreciate about all the
other positions other than specialists are like you're going in
each week and you're putting in, especially in the NFL,
Like those guys are are dropping in half or three

(23:51):
fourths of a new game plan and playbook and studying
and strategy and tactics and the what's the opponent doing
and how do we react to that? Or how do
we want to put them on the defensive and what
do we want to do? And like, I think there's
a lot of people don't get football players enough credit
for how how creative and cerebral that is for those guys,
Whereas for kickers, it's like, all right, shit, what are

(24:12):
we gonna do today? We're gonna go to the driving range,
We're gonna what book can I read this week? And
you know, I go shoot this ship with the equipment managers.
Like it's like it got frankly like boring to a certain.

Speaker 1 (24:22):
You know the you know the equipment manager as well.

Speaker 2 (24:24):
Yeah, you know all these people man like you, you're
you're best buddies with the third guy cooking the food
for lunch and the athletic trainers and the guy in marketing.
Like you're it's like you're kind of doing more things
just to like take your mind off of it, honestly
than you are trying to like focus in on something.
There's only so much you can do, and you really
focus on your body, and uh, you get in the

(24:46):
course of the middle of an NFL season, even as
a kicker, you get worn down and you got to
you got to be very focused on your training and
what you do in the weight room and your recovery
and all of that stuff. But it's like you got
to find ways to take your mind off it, and
that can a little mind numbing at times, for sure.

Speaker 1 (25:02):
I always thought Nate it was it was a battle
almost of you want it in a way to be monotonous, right,
like you want it to be the same, Like, especially
for a long snapper, kicking is a little different. You
at least had some distances that would be randomized. Right
for me, it was it was fourteen and a half
yards seven you know, eight yards every time. Yeah, same

(25:25):
damn thing every time. So you almost would like to
get into a groove of like, yeah, I want this
to be the same every time, but mentally you have
to shift before you do each rep to intentionally approach
it and not just make not just make it a
monotonous approach. So really it was a dichotomy. It's a
great question, keV, because it is one of the things

(25:47):
that's very easy to do, especially for a like a
young college kid who doesn't quite know what he's doing.
Is like you can just I mean, there were a
couple times I remember early in my career where I
looked up and it was like week four. I'm like, man,
I've just been snapping for four weeks and I don't
even know. I don't even know if the last four
weeks were good or bad. I didn't charte him. I'm

(26:07):
just snapping footballs every day. It's a good question. Uh,
when was it at in high school? You know? Coach
more It's crazy how coach Morgan, by the way, comes
up and I swear about it.

Speaker 3 (26:19):
It's like two thirds of interviews you're.

Speaker 2 (26:24):
Kirk like he's I mean, the ability to attract human
beings like him and then retain them right Like you
look around there and it's just like the ability to
have his staff as long as you had him is crazy.

Speaker 1 (26:34):
He's uniquely integrated into your story because you literally went
four years and then like went with each other to Iowa,
which is such a cool thing. But I mean, god, damn,
every single guy we talked to is like, well, coach
Morgan showed up at my school on him at Tuesday
at eight thirty pm and met me at the practice
and met me at the gym. Yeah, I don't know

(26:55):
if the guy ever slept.

Speaker 2 (26:57):
And so when was it.

Speaker 1 (27:00):
During your high school career where you were like, oh shit,
maybe I can kick for the Hawks? Like when did
that come about?

Speaker 2 (27:08):
Pretty Like I was always, like I said, like a
multi sport guy. I mean, obviously that's became what I
did upon it obviously too, it was like a backup
safety or something, but like never really thought of myself
as like, oh I'm a kicker like this is my path.
I think you see more of that now, Like guys
specialized than maybe what we did, and I practiced it

(27:30):
a lot. But when it was hoops season, like I
was playing basketball right like I wasn't like I was.
I would say, kind of that's sophomore and junior year
really kind of like get started getting a little bit
of attention.

Speaker 1 (27:43):
Senior year.

Speaker 2 (27:46):
Kind of a potential or reactors weren't getting many scholarships
back then. I mean, Hayden and his staff were recruited
me through you know, my would have been my the
off season of my junior year in high school when
the Hayden to Kirk transition happened, So that kind of
trans in the new coaches recruiting me as well. And
Hayden was definitely of that mentality in the nineties and eighties,

(28:07):
where like it was pretty much taboo and rare high school.
It was like, hey, come on, walk on, we'll save
these scholarships for for other places, right whereas I think today,
I mean you pretty much have a probably two kicker
kicking scholarships for most programs on scholarship at any point
in any point in time and always looking for a

(28:29):
to backfill in. It came a little bit later for me,
and you know, I got offered by Iowa State first.
Dan McCartney was there then, and I think I probably
just kind of got lucky from the Hawkeyes, just maybe
a little bit of cyclone pressure, being a local kid
and hanging out there that hadn't been filled yet, and
they were almost kind of forced forced Kirk's hand to

(28:49):
burn a scholarship on a kicker, and lucky.

Speaker 3 (28:52):
You, i'd say, the the Iowa fans got got there.
You out of that scholarship.

Speaker 1 (29:02):
You came in and would have had a year with
UH one year with Jason Baker.

Speaker 2 (29:10):
Yeah. Baker was awesome. He was like in, very detail oriented.
He would have been a senior. Of course, Jason went
on had a great NFL career, and I got you know,
was didn't protested thing, but you know I got thrown
right in, played as a true freshman. Had some ups
and great to have a guy like a Jason who'd
been been around and seeing a bunch of different things,

(29:31):
was very detail oriented, you know, handled it like a pro.
Learned a lot from him about the craft. And you know,
I think Kirk, it's interesting, right, Like I mean, I
don't know that the numbers, but we got Iowa has
to be over the last twenty twenty five years had
a top five field goal percentage top ten. I don't know,
but like it's just and I think Kirk and you

(29:54):
you guys have seen it up close, but I think
you know, he doesn't come from a kicking background, right,
but he he knows enough. And I've been around different
head coaches in the NFL. I think he knows enough
about what he doesn't know to be to the point where,
I mean he'll come up, like you know, give you
some tough love every now and then, but he'll also
make a point of pat you on the back and saying, hey,
you did a good job, and elevating the specialists to

(30:18):
a point where they feel like they're valued and they're
part of the team also, which is really all you
can ask for is a as a kicker. So but he,
I think that's been super successful for Kirk and Grant.
He' said LeVar now with him forever, And Levar's a
great friend, and he approaches it from a human level
as well, right, and kind of understands the nuance of
the specialists as well. But I mean there's been such

(30:38):
a great run of kickers at Iowa, and of course
Drew there now is an exceptional talent and he wouldn't
surprise me if he's got a long NFL career ahead
of him also, So but there, I mean, you can
go through the list, right, I mean, there's been a long,
long stretch of kickers punters, and you know, I'm not
blowing smoke Tyler, but I mean you got to have
great snappers as part of that battery of folks as well.

(31:00):
So it's kind I mean, but Kirkle he talks about
it right, like the third phase special teams and specialists.
He doesn't just do it lip service. I mean it's
it's proven itself out and the results for sure.

Speaker 1 (31:12):
It's been an insane run honestly of special teams. I
will say the twenty twelve, twenty thirteen, twenty four, twenty
thirteen was okay, twenty fourteen we dipped. We had a
bad year. I'll put that one on me. I'll just
take that. I'll take that, okay as my first year starting,
but I'll take that. I'm to blame. Uh But yeah,

(31:35):
I mean with Keith, even even the guys who like
weren't nationally recognized, but like Miguel was so solid shoot
act like just of guys recently the drafts.

Speaker 2 (31:45):
Murray, I mean Murray, Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (31:47):
I mean the snappers. The lineage of snappers is like
just guys who were so solid, like Ulsa and Casey
obviously still playing.

Speaker 2 (32:00):
And the ether thing about Kirk is that I think
the worst thing you could do as a head coach
in football is treat the specialists different and hold them
to a different standard, whether that standard is the quirky
leave them off to the side. Like he just expected
you to be an athlete and respect your work and
demonstrate that you showed up every day, whether it's in
the weight room in the off season or in practice.

(32:21):
Like I think he understood that, like, hey, we're not
gonna go out there and beat our heads against each
other like everybody else does, but like he expected the
same level of professionalism and preparation out of us and
treated us the same way in both both tough, love,
tough and respect right, Like I think both of those.
And it wasn't it wasn't like, hey, who cares about

(32:42):
these guys? Leave them over there. It's like, hey, you
you got to you gotta do with the eye away
the way that I expected everybody. And I think that's
sort of the underlying theme with with why the specialists
have been successful is that you've always felt like you're
held to that same standard.

Speaker 1 (32:57):
I think he did a great job of fostering that
and that, like you said, that made you feel good
as a specialist, and that was that's a big thing
for the specialist kids who are like, I know I'm
not the athlete that these guys are, right, but like,
if people make me feel part of the team, and
it sounds very like seventh grade, like hey, let Jimmy in,
like get him some reps. Seriously, Like, when you feel

(33:18):
part of the team, you feel like the teammates truly
believe in you, encount on you. Like that's a big thing.
The other thing that went with that is the fact
that from the strength conditioning side, and while I hated
it for two plus years until I finally got there
and was like physically capable of being a Division one athlete,
the fact that the specialist did all of the same training, Yeah,

(33:39):
it's huge. It made you feel very integrated as well,
and like yeah, and that gained you respect from the
other team, like your other teammates. So that was big too.

Speaker 2 (33:49):
Yeah, and it's like, hey, I'm gonna have half as
much weight on the squad bar as Greenway or Roth
or somebody. Right, but it's like that's to be expected.
But like get in there and bust your ass, like
and you expect the same amount of work ethic and
the same same standard for everybody.

Speaker 1 (34:06):
Yeah, sorry, can't I cut you off again?

Speaker 3 (34:08):
I mean that No, that was going to be my
exact question is so my my question was this head coach,
Nate Katie, make the kickers do conditioning also.

Speaker 2 (34:15):
So yeah, you got to. You got to for sure.
I mean that was was going to pride yourself on
maybe beating that tight end or something, right, like you're
in the whatever group that Doyle and those guys threw
us into, Like hey, uh it. But I think Kirk
is also always I know part of their recruiting on
the specialist side is they want athletes. They don't want
just the guy that's focused on kicking or just been

(34:38):
this snapper off to the side his whole life. Like
I know that they prioritize that as well. So and
I think that is if you look at the across
the NFL. I mean, a lot of the really successful
kickers that have had long careers are also guys that
have approached it from an athlete's perspective, not a the
weird kicker perspective.

Speaker 3 (34:55):
Yeah, Marshall Kine was one of the best athletes on
the team.

Speaker 2 (34:59):
Yeah, it was a freak, Yeah freak.

Speaker 1 (35:01):
I mean, Doyle used to love to give people shit
because I would beat him in a five ten five.
I mean I was like, I was as gold. But
you're letting the long snapper kick your ass and a
shuttle drill, and Josie and everybody else is looking at
him like, dude, that's not fair, Like this guy runs
legitimate times. It's not even like it. But going back

(35:21):
to the Baker thing and when you came in, the
dynamic of the special team's room has changed significantly, especially
when they added the tenth coach, so LeVar Woods is
now the full time special teams coach. But when I
was there for the three of the four years, four
of the five that I was there, there was no
coach in the room, and we didn't have that until

(35:43):
twenty seventeen, my final year. It definitely wasn't a thing
when you were there, How did you, as a young
guy when you came in approach getting better and accountability
within the position group? And did Baker take a strong
role with their other guy guy in the room that
took a strong role in Like, Hey, we gotta because

(36:03):
basically the way that I found it was the way
that Casey and Mike Meyer left it. And I'm pretty
sure it was just passed on for you know, ten
twelve years before that, all the way back to you,
and it was there's no one auditing what we do
in this room, so you you automatically have to grow
up and fucking figure it out.

Speaker 2 (36:22):
Yeah, Like, no, for sure, I got lucky with Jason
being there, and it was I think there's always sort
of been this balance of more seasoned veteran guys that
know how to go about their work coupled with maybe
some younger guys that you bring along and do it.
And you hit it on the head right, like having
a LeVar there with those guys and being able to
keep maybe a little bit more of a steady hand

(36:42):
on it only is only helpful. But no, no, no doubt,
I mean there's I think what's cool about having the
consistency of a Kirk and a Phil Parker and a
LeVar is like you're able to kind of tell those
stories and carry on that level of standard and know
how that is, and there's that level of consistency that

(37:04):
that carries itself through. So I think that's one of
the the unsung benefits of having a long tenured stat
I mean of uniquely rare tenure as Kirk and a
lot of his staff. I mean, we don't appreciate it
nearly as much as we should about how important I
mean you think about the knock on effects of having
a guy like a Kirk there for that long is

(37:24):
so critical in terms of consistency of culture, how things
are done, the expectation level within the building and all
those sort of things. Right. I gave us a talk
at the that rotary like two I think it was
two falls ago. You know, I was just thinking ahead
of time about what to talk. It was get ascid
talk during the fall football season, being someone's here in
Iowa City. And then ended up writing an editorial got

(37:47):
published in the Moine Register. And I think the athletic
in a few places, but especially in this time of
change in the nil and That's all everybody talks about,
right is how much college football is changing? What instead,
why don't we think about, like, when everything's changing, what's
is the same? Like what will not be different about
college football ten years from now? And if you think
about it through that lens and you think about, like

(38:09):
what makes Kirk Farens football and IOWA football uniquely special?
How we're able to be competitive in this new era?
Beyond competitive but win eight plus games. I know we're
not win national titles like some of the message board trolls,
what want us to do it all the time? But like,
it's those things that are hallmarks of a Kirk Farens
football team, that are that are the universal truths of

(38:30):
the game. It's development, it's work ethic, it's teamwork, it's
and you know, really he's stuck in his way, he
doesn't want to change whatever. But like I can promise
you we're going to look back on it ten years
from now and people are gonna be like the people
that doubled down on those things, are tripled down on
those things or didn't didn't change those universal truths. Those
are the programs that are going to be winning. Has
everything else swirled around you, and people weren't running to

(38:53):
the next shiny you know, the newest, shiniest thing like that.
I think that's now. Now it's hard to make appreciated
for some people, but I can promise you in hindsight,
five years from now, ten years from now, that's going
to be true.

Speaker 1 (39:08):
Yeah. I have a question that is more of a like,
I'm curious your take on it as a snapper, And
my best example is in twenty seventeen, Amani Hooker picks
off r J. What was his name not Barrett JT.

(39:29):
Barrett first play of the game, takes it in. They're
number five in the country or whatever, and we just
lit the place on fire to start the game. But
like as a specialist, we're on defense right like I'm chilling.
I just came off the field like I'm expecting ten
twelve minutes before it's time to get up and get loose.
Sudden change Doyle's favorite term, sudden change. I now get

(39:52):
no warm up rep. Like we're running on the field
like it's time to kick a pat. Not a big deal,
like you get it done. But it's my best exam
as a specialist, you kind of have to drop the
emotion that comes with the game of football, and like,
holy shit, I'm so excited that we just like because
I am, I'm so stoked for us that we just

(40:14):
scored a touchdown. But if I let those emotions get
to me, I'm not gonna be able to fill my
arms and like, I'm trying to celebrate with the team,
but I also have to snap this ball. Same with
you if I'm like, if I'm all up any like,
I'm gonna kick this thing wide right.

Speaker 2 (40:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (40:29):
What four years of starting in the Big Ten and
having several big moments did to me was it almost
like cauterized my emotional side of being a fan of
the team, and it was just like, hey, no matter
what happens, I have to go do my job. Don't
care if we intercept it for a pick six, don't

(40:49):
care if we're down thirty. Like it's worse in those
situations a lot of the times, like I can't be
any worse or throw a bad ball. I can't kick
a bat. Do you find that? Because it now affects
me in the way I watch football, Like even the Hawks,
I'm unemotional about it because because I'm like still stuck
in the fact that like I can't be I can't,

(41:09):
I can't get off baseline or else. I'm it's gonna
affect my job. I still haven't gotten away from it.
How do you watch football now?

Speaker 2 (41:16):
I might be the opposite, And maybe it's because I
got a few more bush lights in my system or
something that when I'm watching the games at that at
this this stage of the game. But no, yeah, I
mean maybe there's a little bit of that there. And
I totally get what you're saying. That's what you gotta be,
even keels. You gotta focus on your task at hands.
You practice the whole week and you only get ten
twelve shots, like you Sure, it's hell better be ready,

(41:37):
whether it's a quick change of possession or a build
up for a drive. But no, it's it's fun to
watch the game. And I tell people too, like that's
what I did for a living for like almost ten years,
was watch football from the sideline and then go play.
Like you know, one, we get two percent of the game,
so you have like a front row seat to kind

(41:57):
of observe it. But yeah, for sure, I mean you're
you're kind of maybe a little bit less and you're
you're watching kind of the in between of the game, right,
Like I always enjoyed observing and we have some fun
seats now it Cannick meet a bunch of buddies where
we're kind of right behind the visiting bench, and it's
just kind of cool to see, like, you know what
happens with the D line. They come up, they talk

(42:18):
to the coach, they're pulling the plays out, they got
the iPad, they're they're doing this. You're watching the specialists
warm up. Who's doing what, Like, who's jacking off, who's
not doing what they should be doing. And that's a
unique thing about football too, Right, It's like you've got
a three hour game and even if you're starting on
the offensive defense, like you're off the field for most
of the game. Yeah, and then you're playing a five

(42:38):
to seven second play and then you're waiting another forty
seconds to play the next one. So it's like the
in between of football is there's a whole science and
an art to that, and of course all the other
crazy stuff happening with the coaches and looking at the
plays and the sheets and and all of that. Like
it's no, it's a fascinating world. It's kind of it's
fun having sort of that inside knowledge now is just
a casual fan to be able to know what all

(42:59):
the guys are going through.

Speaker 3 (43:02):
Are you a heckler of the opposing team?

Speaker 2 (43:04):
Yeah, yeah, I gotta wear some glass. I mean I don't.
I don't get recognized very much because I tend to
blend in maybe a lot more so than some other guys.
But yeah, we're we're you gotta find like the Week Gazelle,
I'm gonna keep it all above board.

Speaker 1 (43:19):
It's nice someone some guy, some guy twenty rows overs
like I think that's Nate Cating telling that.

Speaker 2 (43:23):
You can't hide and kinnick though, right, Like, I mean
you were right there, like we can reach out and
touch touch some we were down there for I think
it was the Nebraska or Illinois like we were we
were inside the head of like the assistant d line coach.
Pretty good. You actually turned around and like threw his
sunglasses up and one of the guys standing next to us.
So it's you know, but but you try to be
like very kind of enlightened about it. Right, We're not
like you know, like you know, hillbilly, like yeah, in

(43:47):
the heckle, like we're like getting deep in the weeds
on like technique and like that kind of stuff. It's
easier to get them to turn around when they're like,
oh this get these people know what they're talking about
a little bit more, right, So, or you watch like
the Long not to pick on the long snappers, but
out hey, man, those laces were at like five o'clock
the hot field. You better get down there in the
net and practice your snaps like a screw up the
next one. Uh. And they're like they're like, oh, these

(44:09):
guys know what they're talking about. You're giving me anxiety. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (44:12):
But the guys some teams have like the little the
porta Potti I like on their sideline.

Speaker 2 (44:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (44:19):
And my buddy he snapped ena he said he came
out of at one time and one of the fans
is like, you didn't wash your hands.

Speaker 2 (44:27):
Yeah, you get in there and then I'll tell you what.
There's playing with a bunch of big ten guys out
in San Diego. I mean to a guy, they they'll
all tell you Kinnick is the hardest place to play.
I mean that you're it is unique how close you
are to the fans right down there, especially you get
into those night games and it's there, ain't nowhere to
hide hostel.

Speaker 1 (44:46):
We still want Bama and Kinnick in December. Uh, that's
that's a dream.

Speaker 3 (44:51):
Once Quick said, going back to uh to Klover's story
there about that Ohio State game left out in the
inshow so you know, obviously all American kicker, longtime San
Diego Chargers kicker. People forget twenty seventeen Ohio State honorary captain.

Speaker 2 (45:12):
That's right. That was a fun day.

Speaker 1 (45:13):
That was a fun day.

Speaker 3 (45:14):
People forget that was.

Speaker 2 (45:16):
That was one of my favorite experiences of Kinnick, honestly,
And it was fun to come back and you give
a little talk the night before, but just being down
there for that night game and then of course that
was an all time banger at Kinnick too, and that
was that was tons of fun. But like I said,
I mean, Kirk Kirk does a great job of keeping
us old timers involved, and you know, I kind of
got lucky to match up with that with that game.

(45:38):
But that was that was pretty cool.

Speaker 1 (45:40):
Whatever juju you gave us, it was great.

Speaker 2 (45:42):
You know, I take I take all the credit. In hindsight,
should be the captain every game?

Speaker 1 (45:46):
I Uh, I don't think that they're ever going to
bring me back as an honorary captain or don't hardly
maybe even in the built, like I got invited back.
I think the year after by like coach Woods to
like come watch camp, and I don't think they'll let
me back in the building ever again, mostly because of
this podcast and my affiliation with Drake. As a kicker. Obviously,

(46:11):
you go on and have a great career in the league,
and like you're so much more polished and a better
light on the program than somebody like me or Kevin
would be or not Kevin. Kevin's pretty polished as a
kicker specialist. When you get the call or the email
or whatever to come back and be an honorary captain,

(46:32):
what was that Like?

Speaker 2 (46:33):
It was cool? I mean it was and I've always
tried to I mean, I like to think that I've
always known my place in the locker room, right, So
it's like, even if you've had success and you're doing
really well as a kicker, like you're still a kicker
in the end. So it's I I tried to keep
my comments kind of brief, knowing that I try to

(46:55):
weave in some self humiliation in there, like you're not
gonna go in as a kicker and have the same
kind of raw raw and like, let's get fired up, guys,
let's get let's get rolling.

Speaker 1 (47:04):
That.

Speaker 2 (47:05):
That's kind of that kind of approach. So I think
for me, I just tried to think of something that
was timely. And again, that was a big, big game
for Iowa, and it was a night game, and what
was Ohio State top top five or two or something
was pretty highly ranked, and I just kind of thought
back to the I think my message to the team was,
you know, thinking back to all the big games and

(47:26):
a regret that I had was not taking that time
in between the big moments to kind of sit there
and appreciate it. So and I think that's that's just
great advice in general, is like, hey, take a second
when you're driving in on that bus and before you
get off and just like look at all those fans
on Melrose that are sitting there and just like enjoyed
that piece. Or if you're out there for the national
anthem and and kick back in blacks playing and you're

(47:48):
coming out of the tunnel and the swarm like come out,
come out, take a step outside yourself for a moment
and just appreciate that you're there and have the gratitude
that you're there in that moment. Don't get caught up in,
you know, the nerves and the anxiety and all those
sort of things. And that was just my message to
them was, Hey, this is a big game, but it's
also a tremendous opportunity to be out there, and like
make sure that you're grabbing yourself every now and then

(48:10):
and reminding yourself of how cool it is that you
get out here and do it.

Speaker 3 (48:14):
And it's crazy because that usually I never did, like
I never had like took the moments like, hey, it's
a cool opportunity. But that particular game in the fourth quarter,
like I think we're up four touchdowns at that point,
the crowd's just buzzing, it's electric, and I think it
was like halfway through the fourth quarter I finally took

(48:34):
a moment to just soak it all in, and it
was it's just a beautiful, beautiful feeling Saturday night. You
can't it when the Hawks are rolling.

Speaker 2 (48:43):
No doubt.

Speaker 1 (48:44):
It's crazy that that was your message. I don't I
didn't remember or don't remember a lot of the specifics
of those Friday talks that the honorary captains gave us
over five years. I wish I would have took notes
better and like committed that to memory, because there's a
lot of great messages. I do remember you talking about
taking the moment in and specifically talking about your last

(49:05):
bus ride down from the hotel and like going across
the river and you're like you remember like how cold
the glass of the bus was, and like and that
stuck with me and it helped me too, honestly, Like sometimes.

Speaker 2 (49:22):
It's weird because that and anybody that's listening that's even
played high school football, like those are the you think
back on it now, and it's I get asked, you know,
what's your favorite kick, what's your DA DA D D?
What's your favorite game?

Speaker 1 (49:34):
You like?

Speaker 2 (49:34):
All those like the things that you remember, like the
visceral experiences. Are those things right? It's like a like
you can smell it. You're driving down Melrose and you
can see the leaves changing and and you can smell
the barbecue and you can see the folks out there
and the music, and you step off the bus and
it's the chill of like an autumn autumn day in Iowa.
Like those are the things that stick with you when

(49:55):
you when you're now an old timeer like me looking
back on it twenty years from there, you know, or
go back in the locker room and singing the fight
song and like, those are the things you remember. It's
not like, oh, I had Cover two on that one
time when the cornerback had the interception, or you had
that great snap on that one feel like that's the
ship that just like is part of the part of
the business. But it's the other the other moments that

(50:17):
you like those quiet moments that you have with yourself,
and it's also like those other awesome moments that you
have with your teammates and your friends and uh, you
night before the you know, eating this ice cream Sunday
or Sunday. Yeah, Like it's like that hell stuff right
like and when you're in it as an athlete and
you're there, like you don't take them. You don't appreciate
it because you don't know to appreciate it. So I

(50:38):
think that was really my message at that time. It's like, hey, guys,
like you got the tiger by the tail, like that,
the world's here, it's watching. You got the best one
of the best programs in all of college football coming
right into our house, Like this is a special thing
and just make sure you can take a chance to
appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (50:54):
That being said, are there any kicks college or NFL
that you do you specifically remember or you were like wow,
like I feel more pressure than normal for this one,
or anything that sticks out in your mind.

Speaker 2 (51:08):
Yeah, I mean I My standard response to that is
you always remember the misses more as a kicker, so
you knows missing the big kicks or doing those things
are always the ones that you remember. That's just the
way you're wired. I think anybody would tell you that
it gets to a certain level of playing, it's those.
But then I think for me, what I would like

(51:30):
to think of my hallmark was not only making some
big kicks, whether you know I made a fifty four
yard or something to clinch the division and in the
NFL and other game winners or big kicks or you know,
kick to win the Alima Bowl, or it looks like
it's like more of the The like we talked about
is like the you get judged as a kicker by

(51:50):
your level of consistency, and for me, it was like, hey,
let's string together ten weeks in a row without missing
a single kick, without making a single mistake. Whatever's thrown
your way, whether that's a bunch of extra points, or
that's a fifty yard or in the rain or the
wind or whatever, that looks like like to me, it's
like it's the culmination and the streaks and just the

(52:14):
the attention to detail and the commitment to perfectionism. It's
like that's the that's to me is like kind of
the big picture of it. And like each each kick
to me when I was during my career was big,
Like every time I stepped out. I mean, I know
it's a cliche to say it, but it's like they
all matter, you know, Like if you missed the fucking
twenty five yard er in the first quarter, like that's
that ended up being a big kick. You know, you're

(52:36):
going to get crucified and you're not going to sleep
well for five nights because you missed that kick. Like
they're all they're all big, and they're all important.

Speaker 1 (52:43):
Is there any maybe there's a young high school snapper
kicker listening to this and they're struggling with the mental
side of it, which is God. By the time you
get into college and you're potentially a starter for a
at Iowa. It's like ninety percent mental, Like you know

(53:04):
how to kick a ball, you know how to snap
a ball. It's not it's you're not going to be physically.
You know, there's no obstacles physically for you to go
out and do what you're supposed to do. It's basically
all between the ears. Is there anything you used queues
routines to calm those nerves and feel confident when you
went out for each rep?

Speaker 2 (53:25):
The best advice I give the young kickers that I
work with is that I have no advice for you
on that. I mean, there's things you have to walk through.
The fire of hell and the screw up and the
booze of seventy thousand and having to wake up the

(53:46):
next morning and read your name in the front page
of the paper, and nothing worse than walking into that
team meeting room after you field goal or two or
screwed up or something and you lost by six. And that, Like,
I mean, I know it's cliche to say, and the
same thing rings true for life and business. Is like
your best opportunities for growth and learning are when you

(54:08):
struggle and there's challenges and there's adversity, right, Like, and
I work with all sorts of high school kickers who
think that they got the thing licked, and then a
humility is right around the corner in that position. And
that's what I tell him. I go, hey, I can
sit here and tell you every like sports psychology one
on one and all the hundreds of different things that

(54:28):
I ended up doing to help me be mentally tough
and pre kick routines and all of these sort of things.
And you know, I made a highlight tape that i'd
watch every night before the game and again in the morning,
and a Q card that I I mean, there's all
sorts of things, right, but like those were all things
that I had developed myself over time as a reaction
to not wanting to feel like shit again because I

(54:50):
just missed that field goal. Yeah so, and I think
Drew stevens Now is a great example of that. Like
he incredibly talented, amazingly talented, and he he went through
some adversity a sophomore year, and I think he got
humbled in some ways, right, But he talked to Drew
now like I've like I do, and I mean, it's

(55:11):
it's a different person and I can guarantee you he's
an infinitely better kicker now than he was prior to
the adversity that he went through his sophomore year. And
there's nothing a coach can say or I mean, that's
just the journey. You walk it, you do it, and
all the kickers that end up come up clean on
the other side are ones that there's no way to
avoid it. You're gonna miss some big kicks, You're gonna

(55:33):
have some bad stretches, And do you have the the
humility and the strength and the toughness and the support
system around you to to to learn from it? Pull
your socks on the next Monday and practice and go
out there and like I said, want one practice at
a time kind of we'll focus on what you need
to do that day and then look forward to that
next opportunity on Saturday to to to write the ship.

Speaker 1 (55:57):
Quote today. I guess they talked with I don't know
if they got some some time with the coordinators or
what the coach Woods thinks. Drew Stevens could attempt and
make a sixty eight yard field goal if he had
to in the end in an end of half or
game situation. Yeah, probably closer to consistently around fifty eight

(56:18):
anytime in the middle of a game, and.

Speaker 2 (56:20):
You can see it. I mean, Kirk Kirk's not afraid
to Nora's coach Woods to get him out there. He
has a freakishly strong leg, I mean, I think, And
they were probably even a couple instances last I don't
remember off off the top of my head where they
could have trotted him out there where the downside risk
of missing it, the you know, is maybe a little
bit minimal. I mean, obviously you do. Guys know the chart,
like the probability goes like this, the further out you

(56:41):
get on the on the horse atal axis. But no,
he has any like right now, has an elite caliber
NFL leg strength to him. And I think he's he's
through his journey as a college kicker, has put the
other pieces together in terms of the mental game, and
it was awesome to watch him last year. Looking forward
to seeing what he what he does this year, and yeah,

(57:04):
I mean he It would not surprise me one bit
if he drops in a several sixty plus yard field
goals this year. If given the chance, I need it,
I need that. Yeah's what's underrip? What is the college record,
I don't know, but I lost track of the NFL
record now too, Like those guys.

Speaker 3 (57:19):
Right around there for the NFL.

Speaker 1 (57:21):
I five or something sixty, I might be a KF homer.
I want to say someone hit sixty eight last year
to set the record. I might be a chef.

Speaker 4 (57:29):
If sixty nine yard field goal, if there's all one
record nineteen, there's sixty nine yard field goal in the seventies, flat.

Speaker 2 (57:38):
Streak, toe basher baby to bat.

Speaker 1 (57:40):
Yeah. If there's one nitpick I have with Koff, it's
that we have had the leg strength in our kickers
to kick field goals and we choose to punt or
go for it, and that pisses me off. Let let
the peacock fly man, let him hit the real and
I understand you miss. And now all this on the

(58:00):
opponents on the thirty five or forty yard line, I
don't care.

Speaker 2 (58:03):
We got this go from the Does college go from
the spot or do they go from the like the
thirty five automatic?

Speaker 1 (58:10):
Yeah, from the spot they okay? So I don't like,
we got Phil Parker and the and the dough boys.

Speaker 2 (58:16):
Like, yeah, they're there, they'll they'll do it. They'll stop them.

Speaker 1 (58:18):
We'll be fine if we leave them at at the fifty.
Like well, in.

Speaker 3 (58:22):
Previous years, man, we we had a we had a
guy with an absolute lob wedge just pinning them.

Speaker 1 (58:27):
That's true.

Speaker 2 (58:28):
We had Tory Taylor that helped a lot of that circumstance.
Like I think it's Drew to like get a legit
shot given the probability exactly what you're telling the defense,
pin them deep play like you need that kind of
end of half, sure, end of games sort of.

Speaker 3 (58:42):
I think I think we were set up for. I
think it would have been a sixty seven yarder for
the Iowa State game last year if we yea.

Speaker 2 (58:49):
And some of that has to you guys know, like
some of that is like field conditions, win conditions, like
oh yeah yeah, and I think it, oh, we could
have kicked x y like it might have been back
in the wind, I don't. I mean far the one
that I was state kid hit against us that was
fifty I think yeah yeah. And Marshall hit that one
against Pitt that was what fifty nine fifty seven seven?

(59:09):
He had a cannon too, Like it'd be fun to
see him and Drew oh head to head on strength.

Speaker 1 (59:15):
It's hard to imagine that Drew has more whip in
his leg than Marshall Kane, but I'd pay for that.

Speaker 2 (59:22):
We got to get Marshall in his prime, and man,
it'd be fun.

Speaker 1 (59:24):
I would love to see that because Marshall was special
and I'm still shocked he wasn't able to catch on
an NFL roster. I also speaking to a gros Award winner,
how bad was Keith Duncan snubbed?

Speaker 2 (59:37):
Yeah? That was awful.

Speaker 1 (59:39):
Did that hurt you to your core? I mean that
was odd and I was.

Speaker 2 (59:42):
I presented that at ESPN that day too, and they
didn't even let me. They literally Chris Fowler handed me
the card. I didn't know, and I'd go out like
backstage and I walked down and he's like, okay, it's
who is the guy? It was somebody from a Georgia
or something that Georgia uh blank and ship ship because
I was all in my Rod Reguild Bank ship Iowa

(01:00:03):
to Iowa. I'm gonna hand this off. We were in it.
We were in Atlanta the College Football Hall of Fame
for the it was when they did the show live.

Speaker 1 (01:00:08):
It was supposed to be a storybook ending.

Speaker 2 (01:00:10):
Yeah, this is gonna be sweet, but yeah, that was
an all time those things, those postseason awards get thrown
to the win. Man. It's it's hard, like my when
I wanted, I actually won in my junior year and
I had a better, better year. Yeah senior. I missed
one field goal in my senior year. I was like,
I don't know, like twenty or twenty one or something
like that, but you're and I got kind of one. Yeah. Yeah,

(01:00:31):
that was like a consensus first first team All America, Like, oh,
maybe back to bag it is easy. And then they
gave it to some other random dudes. So I'm not
a random dude, but like, I'm not bitter anymore. I'm
not bitter at all. Probably an sec guy, I think
it was. I mean it was some guy like old
miss or something.

Speaker 1 (01:00:47):
Jesus. Uh, we don't want to keep it too long.
I do want to hit. And I'm gonna let Grant
ask some questions too, because he always has the good questions. Uh,
you have your own podcasts that you do I don't
know or maybe you still do it or maybe not.
But the core I've seen several of them have a
you have the white whale that we haven't haven't gotten
on this show. I think you interviewed KF.

Speaker 3 (01:01:08):
I got.

Speaker 2 (01:01:08):
I got KF. It was awesome. I got. We did
Caitlin Clark, We've had Lisa Blueter I do. It's been
fun because I've uh you know, I enjoy this sort
of setting and kind of naturally curious. We have a
business podcast where we it's called Real Success for the
Corridor Business Journal. We would do it now five. We
don't have six hundred shows like you guys do. I
think we only have like sixty sixty five, seventy or something.

(01:01:30):
But it's fun. I do it once.

Speaker 3 (01:01:31):
We're really about the quantity over the quality.

Speaker 2 (01:01:34):
I like it seriously, just at bats baby, that's all
that matters. It's great because I get a chance to
kind of sit down with CEOs and leaders and small
business owners and a variety of different folks. We basically
talk business. We talk a lot about their professional journey,
what makes them tick. It's a little bit of like
how I built this maybe meets a little bit of

(01:01:55):
like Tim Pharisee sort of stuff. But it's been a
lot of fun. I enjoyed it selfishly. Gives me a
chance to kind of meet some new people learn about
their careers and all that sort of stuff. So it's, uh,
it's it's it's great. Yeah, the Kirk One was awesome.
I think we did him. He was our fiftieth guest,
so he was kind of a he was kind of
enough to spend some time and in chats. So it's

(01:02:16):
it's a lot of fun. I enjoy it.

Speaker 1 (01:02:17):
I'm scared to ask him.

Speaker 2 (01:02:19):
Yeah, he'll say yes, yeah, I know, I know. But
then it's like season now.

Speaker 1 (01:02:26):
We actually have to do a good job, and yeah,
then we I gotta like prepare and like it's probably
it's a whole thing. At some point it's gonna happen.
I plan and get into a thousand of these and
I kind of have kf as like number like one
thousand in my mind, so we'll see. Uh. And then,
like I mentioned the entrepreneur stuff, you have your hand
in a bunch of different stuff in that Ia City,

(01:02:46):
Corave Corava area, don't you like? What's that been like
getting into the business world after the playing days.

Speaker 2 (01:02:52):
It's been fun. It's been a fun transition, and I
went back out my NBA and Iowa. I've been super
lucky where I've been able to be partnered with and
involved with some great people. Really kind of work in
two disciplines. I you know, I would call my full
time jobs in real estate development and work for a
real estate development commercial construction company, Hodge Construction, which is

(01:03:13):
a forty plus year company here we build build a
variety of commercial buildings and real estate development projects, so
that's awesome. And then also serve as a kind of
co investor co founder of a collection of restaurants in
downtown Iowa City and Lucky. That's where the real partnership
has been been amazing. I've got some lifelong friends that

(01:03:35):
are the operators. We've got a great team there. We
have Pullman Barn Diner, and Saint Burch Tavern. We recently
bought the lot of the Hawkeye fans listening out there,
alumni remember the Hamburg again number two. We under we
restored that, which has been a super cool you know,
I was a history major at Iowa and there. I
love local history and that's just has a soft spot

(01:03:56):
and a lot of our hearts. And that's been an
awesome project. And we're a little bit over, a little
bit over. Yeah, pie shakes, breakfast all day, super super
fun projects. So we're we're pretty proud of the collection
of restaurants there, and the team does an amazing job,
and our mission there is really like we think Iowa
City is the best college town in the world, and

(01:04:16):
we want to play our we want to play our part.
I'm a big believer in the role that restaurants and
these sort of gathering places play in the quality of
life in communities, especially places like Iowa or we don't
have mountains and oceans and all those sort of things.
Like folks listening, like whether you're from a small town
or Des Moines, or you're living off into the world wherever,

(01:04:37):
Like picture your town that you live in, or your
hometown without like that amazing coffee shop or that pizza
that family owned pizzeria or whatever that looks like. And
like imagine Iowa City without the Airliner or Georgia's buffet.
You know, like these sort of places and then the
new the new people that come in and do new
and creative things, and it's like, so that's been really
fun from an investment perspective, and I'm really involved on

(01:05:00):
the front end kind of helping pull the projects together
and then once they get launched, our team does really
an amazing job, and I kind of help be a
cheerleader and drive business and help with the strategic development
of those businesses and restaurants. So it's a it's a
fun one two punch and keeps me. You know. It
feels kind of the creative bucket and the business bucket
and able to kind of bring some projects to life.
So it's a it's it's been. It's been a great

(01:05:22):
transition and been fortunate enough to be able to come
back to my hometown in Iowa City and play a
little part and moving it forward.

Speaker 3 (01:05:29):
Now tell you it's awesome. The Iowa City food scene.
Punch is way above its weight in terms of how
big the city is. It's it's honestly, it's awesome to
live here.

Speaker 2 (01:05:39):
Yeah, we've got some great chefs people that have moved
back if people haven't been for like a finer dining experience.
That Webster is a Sam Gelman his wife Ryan just
open that on the North Side and they've gotten recognized
with the New York Times. They do amazing kind of
Midwest cuisine and you know, it's it's a it's a
cool variety. We can always get better and continue moving

(01:05:59):
the ball forward, but uh no, we're we We're big
believers in Iowa City. I think it's a pretty special
place and just trying to play our part and making
it better.

Speaker 1 (01:06:08):
I got a business strategy development, I think got any idea? Yeah, ready,
washing up walk On's great advertising opportunity.

Speaker 3 (01:06:22):
I like it.

Speaker 2 (01:06:23):
Now we're talking. We can do a big let's do
when you like around the Do we have a month
of this year, don't we with isn't there a home
slate where it's like we got like three home Let's
give me that month when all your listeners will be
back in Iowa City and we'll just do like the
We'll just hamburg in the crap out of the thing
or something like.

Speaker 3 (01:06:42):
Well before the.

Speaker 1 (01:06:43):
Season you have you have no idea.

Speaker 2 (01:06:47):
Have your people call my people. We'll get I will
do that.

Speaker 1 (01:06:51):
I'm not joking everybody, this is inside baseball. You're listening
to a deal. Get done right now. I will. I
will turn half of every hour we do into a
promotion for your restaurants. I swear.

Speaker 2 (01:07:02):
Just start flipping different shirts on hats like.

Speaker 1 (01:07:04):
I'll wear whatever you want me to. We do and
our and this is no bullshit. Our audience is about
as high converting on on ad reads as it as
its so we can definitely talk. Grant anything you got
before we waste any more of this ends time. Yes, No,
A couple questions for you.

Speaker 4 (01:07:22):
So, career in San Diego playing in Denver at least
once a year for a long time.

Speaker 2 (01:07:27):
How excited do.

Speaker 4 (01:07:28):
You as a kicker get to go play at the
altitude there? Do you guys just get super excited, Like all,
I'm going to try a seventy yard field goal today?
Like you, what are you attempting in while warming up?
Like where does that get realistically during the game. Just
talk about the experience of being a kicker.

Speaker 2 (01:07:42):
I think I love to.

Speaker 1 (01:07:43):
Go to the high elevation.

Speaker 2 (01:07:45):
Yeah, great question. It was the best, Like I, you know,
back I kind of hit the NFL was kind of weird,
like we were lucky because we were still the dinosaur
twenty yard extra point guys, but we were also like
kicking off from the thirty We had like the the
the like the shittiest time for k balls, like all
that sort of stuff. And I wasn't as my career
got on, I wasn't known it was like this kickoff specialist.

(01:08:07):
So like that was always like, all right, I'm gonna
get like twenty five percent of my touchbacks today. So
I was like tell Philip Rivers, like all right, like
let's score a bunch of touchdowns. I gotta pad my stats.
But it's legit, like a five to eight yard boost.

Speaker 3 (01:08:20):
Wow, I would say.

Speaker 2 (01:08:22):
And it's just like you just got to just feel
like you just got to get it up into the
Jets dream and it just carries better. And the other
cool thing there too, is in the visiting locker room,
in the locker room attendance room, they got this cool
wall that like all the people that have signed that
come in there, and those those guys were my guys.
So every time I go there, bring a few hundred
bucks and they give me two hugee garbage bags of
Coors lights. So I would I would do that. Then

(01:08:44):
it was like Bus four. And the cool thing about
the Denver You guys know the Denver airports, like pretty
far away from the downtown. It's like it was like
a So I would tell all the guys, hey, Bus
five's got the Coors lights, and we'd have like ten
cases of Coors lights on ice and these big black
garbage bags in the back of the bus. It was
like a legit like four or five Coors light bus
ride after the game out to the airport. Oh yeah,

(01:09:05):
that was That was maybe the one of the better
things about the about the den A deal. But now
we we had a pretty good stretch there in in
the division. You know, Casey hadn't really quite taken on.
I think we beat Oakland like legitimately like six seven
years in a row without losing to him. So it
was the AFC West. We were, we were, we were
rock and rolling.

Speaker 3 (01:09:25):
Then Marty Schottenheimer's your coach, right, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:09:28):
I came in with Marty and then finished with nor Turner.

Speaker 3 (01:09:33):
What uh he got fired after like a twelve and
four year or something like that, wasn't it?

Speaker 2 (01:09:38):
Yeah? It was ridiculous. We were all there's like eight
of us that made the Pro Bowl that year. It
was back when it was in Hawaii, and it was
crazy because we all went out as a good year.
I think we lost to New England that year and
maybe the UH Conference I have not the not the
conference championship with the game before and.

Speaker 3 (01:09:55):
Unforgivab the Bill Brady and Tom.

Speaker 2 (01:09:59):
Yeah we did that. We lose to them again, in
the AFC Championship game at at at New England could
but we were all on the plane and we landed
and it's like everybody's phone started blowing up and it
was like, yeah, Marty just got fired. It's like, wait,
how do you get fired when you're twelve and four
or something like? And won the division? But yeah, pro
sports man.

Speaker 4 (01:10:18):
So then following up still with the Chargers, have you
ever seen Phil Rivers curse? Have ever gotten an album?

Speaker 1 (01:10:23):
Maybe off Numera?

Speaker 2 (01:10:25):
And he is He's he was the man.

Speaker 1 (01:10:29):
He was.

Speaker 2 (01:10:29):
You talk about like all football family like he was.
He he would every now and then have a beer
with us on the bus like he was. He was there.
But I mean you talk about didn't didn't curse, you know,
family guy, great guy, but like as fierce of a
competitor as you you would find like he was. He
was all business, he was a he was a dude's dude.

(01:10:50):
So he was. He was amazing. He was a great,
great get for Sandy. He came in the same draft
class that I was in, and he was awesome.

Speaker 3 (01:10:59):
Yeah, competing for the largest family in America right now,
I think, are.

Speaker 2 (01:11:03):
They still rolling? I kind of lost track of that.

Speaker 1 (01:11:06):
Probably that's like a thing where it's like, you know
they they can say no, but do you ever really
believe that they're stopping You know, once you.

Speaker 4 (01:11:14):
Got eight, like, what's stopping you from fifteen?

Speaker 2 (01:11:16):
You know it might be close fifteen and eight they
definitely are.

Speaker 3 (01:11:19):
I think they're at least twelve. I think that's absurd.

Speaker 2 (01:11:25):
How many swing sets you got to build there? That's
like a.

Speaker 1 (01:11:27):
Bro I'm building one.

Speaker 2 (01:11:29):
So oh okay.

Speaker 1 (01:11:30):
I got a text from my wife five minutes ago.
She put our daughter down and nate. As she left
the room. My daughter said, Mommy, I just love my
park a. Dude, all build for another thirty five hours.
Don't care if I can get that out of my daughter.

(01:11:50):
The twenty hours of building the swing set in the
back has been worth it.

Speaker 4 (01:11:53):
So and then, so this is my last question for
you there is so you scored a touchdown against I
did really on your career? Awesome awesome moment For those
who haven't seen it, do you have any advice for
other specialists out there who maybe also tried to score
a touchdown against the Hot State and maybe didn't do
wasn't able to accomplish When you find the pylon and

(01:12:14):
run for your life.

Speaker 2 (01:12:15):
I mean, you talk about relief, that's a that's a
feeling relief. It's a weird feeling though, man like you
just don't ever have the football in your hands and
you kind of get it and it's just like okay,
like you just go. But we had practiced that play
forever because you don't have anything else to do as
a specialist. In the three hour practices that you sit
there and watch. It's just like literally just the long

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snapper catching it, flipped it over his or the holder
flipped it over his right shoulder and just sprint for
the right pilon. And I still think we might have
set a record for uncalled like holds out in the
like wide open and if I remember, like Jim Tressel,
I think through a complete pissy fit there on the
sideline because there was a lot right in front of it.
There was like multiple holds. But it was a no

(01:12:58):
that was cool especial. We haven't practiced it a bunch.
It was it was fun. It was I think maybe
our probably are only attempt but we're the reran.

Speaker 1 (01:13:07):
I practiced it. I practiced it a lot too, and
scored every time. And hey, we weren't.

Speaker 2 (01:13:14):
You could have been any any other, any other especially done. Yeah,
when's a couple of years right, like punt or field goal?
Maybe I don't know what LeVar is doing.

Speaker 1 (01:13:22):
You got to talk to him.

Speaker 2 (01:13:23):
He's yeah, once we're going to reach back and around tricks.

Speaker 3 (01:13:25):
He was on a little run there from like twenty
seventeen for twenty nineteen.

Speaker 1 (01:13:29):
Teams better be scared because I know he's got about
forty of them just on the book.

Speaker 2 (01:13:33):
We're calling it right now. Special teams touchdown on either
a fake punt or field goal, it's gonna happen.

Speaker 3 (01:13:38):
Fake would be insane.

Speaker 1 (01:13:40):
Need that.

Speaker 4 (01:13:41):
We ran a fake punt against Ohio State this year,
didn't we. They kirk time out the second after we snapped.

Speaker 1 (01:13:49):
We were going, yeah, yeah, we were going to and
then they called it dead.

Speaker 2 (01:13:53):
Yeah, that's a big call. And every game, well you know,
one's usually in maybe not every game, but said five
percent of them. It's pretty kind of sort of kind
of they right. Like again it's like a stars need
to align right hash right situation kind of deal. But
we're you got that call.

Speaker 1 (01:14:09):
What were you thinking because I remember what I was thinking.

Speaker 2 (01:14:15):
Yeah, that's one of those where you just you're like,
I mean you actually kind of pumped up, right, because
you're just kind of dumb and young enough to be like,
all right, like the chances of you turning into like
some fucking meme or like Sports Center highlight for the
wrong reason is pretty high. So it's like you try
not to think about path and it's just like you
try to get yourself pumped, you know, a little bit
pumped up. You also got to kind of fake the

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fact that you're about to kick a field goal kind
of thing. So it's weird. Were just like, hey, get
it and just react and try to just go man,
run yeah, run run, forced run.

Speaker 1 (01:14:48):
Yep, be good if you've got a good pass on
it too. Any anyway, dude, thank you so much for
coming on. Man, this is awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:14:57):
Yeah, this is sweet. Congrats guys on on this hundred shows.
And uh, I can't wait for this Hamber again take
over this fall. It's gonna be great.

Speaker 1 (01:15:05):
Dude. I'll dress as a let's like get a cake
shake outfit. I'll just wear it for the podcast.

Speaker 3 (01:15:11):
We'll do food reviews on every item in the menu.

Speaker 2 (01:15:14):
You ten out of ten, ten out of ten.

Speaker 1 (01:15:17):
Yeah, we could do like a walk on platter for
that month or something, and yeah, and we'll send and
that that's where we can activate. Hey, go to Hamburg
get the walk on platter or else we're beating your
face in okay, hyem.

Speaker 2 (01:15:33):
Yeah, it was super fun. Projects. You've got to go
back into like seventy years a history of the restaurant,
Like that's kind of one of the things that they
became is like all these really kind of different unique omelets.
There's like a Zetar omelet, like a Goose Town was
like sour kraut whatever. So we need the we need
the like one month like the washed the washed up
walk On's omelet, and you all can create like whatever's

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in there.

Speaker 1 (01:15:53):
We'll We're big on eggs around here. The Iowa Egg
Council is one of our sponsors.

Speaker 2 (01:15:57):
We do all our eggs are local from farmers Henhouse
come on collection of collection of Amish Mennonite farmers now
by Colona. So it's let's go, Well, this.

Speaker 1 (01:16:06):
Partnership is going to be off the walls. Dude, nay
cating everybody. Episode six hundred. Thank you guys for being
here for six hundred episodes. I don't know how many
I know there's several of you who have been here
from the beginning. Listen to every single one. We hope
to do six hundred more. Grant and Kevin will surely
be gone at that point, but I will still be here,
I promise you, and we will be sponsored by the
Hamburg in h We'll see you guys next time. Until then, peace, Hey,

(01:16:33):
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We'll see you next time. Hawks by a million.

Speaker 2 (01:17:04):
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