October 7, 2024 • 59 mins
Hawks could not get it done on Saturday. Close at half time, and then the flood gates busted loose in the 3rd quarter sending the Buckeyes to an ol fashion routing of Iowa in the Shoe. We veer from our normal recap episode format where we outline and recap the major drives/plays from the game. We instead take a broader look at the disparity between these 2 teams and really Iowa and "Top 10 teams" over the last few seasons trying to decipher an answer as to why they haven't been able to compete. We look at the nuance, becauase there is a lot of it, to what role BF had on the previous 2 years, how all time bad the offense was and the hole that dug us that we could come back from, the reality of being in a first year Offense with Lester, the difference in NIL money spent on the 2 rosters in question, and much more.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
So that was a tough one. Not the game that
Hawkey Nation wanted to see. This is an interesting episode
because there's not a lot of breakdown, not a lot
of recap of the actual events, plays, drives that happened
in the game. It's more philosophical on us, just having
a conversation trying to figure out how do we compete
in these games again, if at all, and how does
(00:20):
anil play a role. This one was a little bit different.
Let's have a day, let's go. You gotta go see
(00:51):
banana ball, but you just really should catch a Banana's game.
And I'm like, what is that. He's like, Oh, this
is They're They're like the next hottest thing. Welcome into
the podcast, everybody, here for another recap of some Hawkeye football.
I know, not the game that a lot of you
wanted to see. We'll get to that in a second.
We have Grant here, we have Kevin, both of them
look Chipper energized, ready to talk ball. And Grant you're
(01:15):
repping the Broncos. Congrats to them on at least for now.
I think they're holding a lead against the Raiders. Is
that game, Clay, the game? That game is over.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
It is over absolutely dominated, to destroyed the Raiders. Finally
got the monkey off for back.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
We hadn't beat the Raiders in forever.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Good to beat them today. In the best uniforms in
the NFL. Might I add out there, look at the
orange crush. Look how gorgeous those blue helmets sit on
the Orange jerseys.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
The blue hole this is for.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
This is the nineties, looks seventies, seventies.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Well they put in I believe who they put in
for in the the ring of the Ring of Honor
today is from the seventy seven team.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
So wow.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
But I think they I think they wore the jerseys
for a very long time. I don't know when this
year he started it ended.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
I'll tell you this. It's a good look. It's a
clean look.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
It's a fantas the Broncos have always had, like a
top five jersey in the league.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
I like it, Yeah, I like it a lot. This
yere is a gardner Minshew under pressure and your very
own hawkeye cornerback in the NFL. The only white one
by the way. Uh Rightley Moss with his first NFL
interception Minshoe down the sideline, shut bone. It's Riley Moss
(02:30):
with the interception for the Broncos his and he was
so excited And obviously, why wouldn't you.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
What do the Eagles have Coop listed at?
Speaker 1 (02:45):
Then? I believe he's their nickel and he's a backup nickel.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Okay, I say he's on unfortunate pun return punching bag.
It looks like from last week. Dude.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
If I'm Coop, I'm asking for a three games in
after that.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
We will accept them at the Broncos, will you? We
will welcome in with open artists.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
I love when anybody does anything good in college football.
Grant you tweet at them and you we'll just say
Kevin Ward is the player, and you just go, Kevin Ward,
you are a Denver Bronco.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Well, here's here's the idea. I'm not a GM. No
one's contacted me to be a gam at, but my
simple strategy would be, you can't have good players like
do the cool places again, like a guy like Ryan
wants he can't do Ryan Williams stuff against you if
he's on your team. So if you just even if
you just got to hoard him right, be like, we
don't let anyone know how good this Davante Ross guy
(03:42):
is all right, we just hide him on our bench.
He's our secret, right, So we're we're gonna unleash him soon.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
So you're telling hold on, execut Car, this is this
is groundbreaking stuff. You're telling me that if you did
happen to become a GM of an NFL team someday,
which is not out of the question at this point.
Let's just be honest. Your strategy would to be to
get as many good players on your team as possible.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
No, no, you're you're misinterpreted, of course, duh right, No, No,
we want to horde players.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
Want to find all these players and put them on
your like your practice squad.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
So here, here's how many how many how many receivers
like get drafted a year? How many? Horrible person to ask,
but a lot.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
That's in the neighborhood of fifty maybe not quite but
ballpark forty.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
What if we just used all we just took all
the receivers.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
What if we just got all of them? Now, what
if we just owned one position? We just we just
took all the receivers. You just you were just created
a monopoly amongst an entire position group.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
I mean, you know that's that's a strategy. That sometimes
works in fantasy, and then you trade, like some receivers
for a good quarterback.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
You got instant competition in practice, whoever doesn't make it,
you trade other teams and then you acquire what else
you need.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Okay, well is that? Yeah? The difference between fantasy and
real life is you have to keep those guys happy,
and generally that means they want to score touchdowns, so
only so many guys can score. But I like it, Grant.
I like the aggressiveness. I like where you're going, and
I like that you're repping your Broncos on a on
a Sunday where they got to win. Congratulations to you
in Bronco Nation, Bronco country. Is that what it's?
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Broncos country?
Speaker 1 (05:21):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Okay, I can say Broncos country.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Let's ride or not? We can still rude, okay, cool?
We I told a story about how we met Russ
in Vegas? Right you did?
Speaker 3 (05:33):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (05:35):
Yeah? Crazy?
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Kevin, how are you doing on the Sunday any?
Speaker 3 (05:40):
I mean I'm doing pretty good, doing pretty good. It's
a nursing a little bit of a hangover this morning,
but we're doing all right now.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
I thought that was going to a different direction. I thought
you were gonna say, like a hamstring or something like
you'd you know, tweaked an ankle on a run or
something a hangover. Yeah, so you had a couple of pops. Uh,
you still get down at thirty years old.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
Hey, I am twenty nine, all right, I'm not old
like you and Drake and Ike.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
And that's it.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
That's it. Okay, my wife, I hope she doesn't listen
to this one. No, I'm still a thriving, young twenty
nine year old. And we went out to the Amana
Colonies Octoberfest this weekend and down a few pops out there.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
The Amanic Colonies is a good time.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
Yeah. So this is the first Octoberfest that I've been
to out there. Been meaning to do it for like
the last several years, but we finally got a chance
to and it was it was It was fun.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Got fun. Glad you had a good time. Yeah, glad
you got to enjoy yourself, maybe got to drink all Uh,
you know, the pops helped you maybe numb some of
the some of the what happened during the two thirty
kickoff against the Ohio State Buckeyes yesterday. We will talk
about that in a second, I do really quickly, Grant,
if you could pull up the Awards winners, just want
(06:53):
to roll through those really tough day for your guy.
And I don't even really have a lot to say.
We just had, you know, Missouri turns out there fraud
and Grant maybe Grant or Kevin maybe tried to tell
me that maybe Texas A and M is better than
we thought. Iowa. Uh, you might be able to say
Iowa was a fraud if we're going to talk about
competing against top five, top ten teams in the country,
(07:15):
that's sort of been the trend the last three years.
And then jmu, I'm sad. I'm sad. Boys, not only
did they not cover, they didn't they didn't win. They
didn't even win.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Yep, they got Beach Louisiana Monroe.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
Yeah, so they're out of playoff discussion.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
The Warhawks sneaky general booty.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
I just can't go against them, can't, can't, won't go
against them the rest of the year. Your boy goes
zero to three and I am now under five hundred
for the year. We need a huge bounce back week
this week, and trust me, I'm coming. Uh, I'm bringing
louis and Uh, and I'm bringing more than three.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
Picks this week. We'll just say that I'm moving the awards.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Winners are gonna be like a thirty five minute segment.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Now it's gonna be.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
To its own podcast at some point.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
It probably deserves its own podcast. Kevin, how'd you do? Uh?
Speaker 3 (08:02):
Not not great? Not great? So we had Clemson minus fourteen.
I think that line skyrocket up to like seventeen by
the end of the week. Uh, they won by sixteen
I think. Uh, I thought, yeah, you got it right, Yeah, no,
I got it, but you know, it depends on where
everyone else got it. Uh, yeah, they won by sixteen points.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
Florida State is in a bad state as a program
at one in five.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Did you see the graphic that they threw up in
the beginning of the game. It was like, a win
means it's like restoring all any and all hope for.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
The FSU program.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
That horrible Clemson wind means staying in playoff contentionent Florida
State just maybe a single smile.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
That was what a broadcast foot up. Yes, that's amazing,
that's incredible.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
Yeah, it's uh, it's bleaked out there in Tallahasse.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Did you imagine if the broadcast team got real funny
and they put up like Clemson stays in playoff content
Florida State, maybe their fans won't kill themselves after.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Yeah, the graphic just said, what's at stake? Florida State
with a wind restores hope and respect.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
I could you.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
Imagine the state of the podcast in the state of
Iowa fans right now if we're rolling into Washington week
at one in four whatever.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Oh god, it would dude, the state of the fans
from I mean, and I understand it's Twitter, it's not
real life, but you know, you get on social media.
This will be part of tonight's show as well, addressing
some of the narratives online, at least throughout the vocal
minority fan base that likes to bitch and moan. You'd
think that we were one in five right now. Anyway,
(09:40):
we're as good as one in five and some fans eyes.
But yeah, if we were legitimately one in five and
we had one like versus Illinois State and then gone
over in the last four games, there might be fires.
I mean, yeah, it could be bad.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
Well, I mean, this is a team that was pre
season ranked number ten.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Yeah, and you know what. You know what my favorite
stat is is they always have I think, for like
some amount of years running, like a really good amount,
like twelve or fourteen or something years running, there's at
least one team that starts in the AP top twenty
five that finishes the season unranked or not. That's sorry, no, no, no,
(10:18):
the top ten, top ten. Yeah, the top ten of
the EIGHTP top twenty five that finishes the season unranked.
And it's really fun to go back through and we
just squeaker already. I don't know what's happening. I have
like a bubble with my pro I'm dying time out.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
You got this, Yeah, I was about to say, you said, yeah, whatever,
go ahead.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
It's just fun to go back and see those teams
that that are. They just turn into dog shit.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
They're like, oh, it's Notre Dame half the time.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Well, and Grant and I've had this discussion. We don't
need to shit on Notre Dame anymore, but it is
often we can.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
I mean, yeah, I got great, Grant's got time and
he's got notes.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
It's actually funny you brought that up because a little
let me bring out my Notre Dame notebook.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Let's go back to two thousand and seven.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Florida State, though, is funny, particularly this year because ever
since they got left out of the playoff, and I
agree that they got robbed.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
I thought that was ridiculous. Absolutely, Robb last.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Yer, I don't know if any program is it's has
had a worse time than Florida State.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
Like one game is they got absolutely they got destroyed
by Georgia, destroyed by Georgia in the game, and then
they're one in five this year.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Yeah, it's just and then also they're suing the a
SEC because they're apparently we're too good for the ACC
and another one in five.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Interesting, it's an interesting from me.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
I mean, it's the SEC. You don't take them now
at this point, and like, I don't know, I don't
know what's gonna happen with them.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
I'm gonna be totally honest speaking of teams taking action.
Did you guys see it all? Like last week we
kind of slipped under the radar and I didn't mention
anything on it. I had it in my notes, but
I just it didn't come up in the show. After
Nebraska lost that Illinois Friday night game. Do you see
that Nebraska sent something to the Big Ten or like
came out with a statement that they no longer want
(12:08):
to host or want to play on Friday nights. They
do not, they do not want to play football on
Friday nights any.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
They played what two games on Friday night.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
It's such a bad looks like after the night after
or the morning after they lose, they're like, Okay, but
we don't want to do that anymore. Like Fridays. We're not.
We're not about it. We don't. We don't like that.
It was just so it was so bitch like.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
I mean, I'm not a huge fan of the college
football Friday night games to be honest with you, especially
if like you have to burn on your home games
like that. I'm okay watching the Hawks play away games
on Friday night, right, I feel like you don't get
the full home game experience when you have Friday night games.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
So this is straight from ESPN. Nebraska eighty requests no
more Friday games except Black Friday. Okay, so they did
save Black Friday.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
But isn't this the last one?
Speaker 3 (12:57):
Anyway?
Speaker 1 (12:58):
I believe this is the last Black Friday game for
Nebraska and Iowa.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
Interesting, all right, circle on all the way back to
number the second pick that had we had had a
rough week picking otherwise we had Tennessee minus thirteen. They
lose out right, USC minus eight. They lose out right.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
Man.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
Tough, tough week, but one until we'll bounce back next week.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
Grant we went.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
We went seven and three, wow, which is pretty good
concerning we were zero and two before Saturday even started
because UTEP disaster on Thursday. I don't know if it
was paying attention, but in front of the tens of
fans that were watching that, it was not good. UNLV
got absolutely robbed on Friday night by the officiating. I
still don't understand targeting or rough in the pastor but
(13:46):
they got absolutely screwed and everyone knows it. But regardless,
cal At like two in the morning blew a twenty
five I think point lead to Miami like they had
him on the brink of upset. It was gonna be
fantastic this They covered anyone, but they should have game day.
Game day, the calgorithm showed out.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
It was awesome.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Minnesota went out right, Washington beat Michigan and the overhit
right at the end needed a field goal so bad
got it anyway, and then A and M just absolutely
destroyed Missouri. I don't know if I was like I
think I was correct about Missouri being a little bit overrated,
but I still think I don't think eight and M
is that much better than them regardless. And then Texas
(14:25):
Tech beat Arizona in South Carolina looked awful against Ollness,
so that was not a very good pick. But hey,
I'll take seven to three, still sticking above five hundred, so.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Garry's looking good. Twenty four to nineteen and one just
so many games. I just cannot wait for that to
be seventy something in sixty I got to pick a
lot more games at the accuracy by volume. Baby, if
we turn this into its own show, we can all
do like forty picks. It could It could be like
like Portnoy and their show when they come up with
(14:54):
like eighteen.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
I don't think I can, though, because I only feel
I rarely feel good about more than five. I don't
ever feel like I only feel good about three. How
we really only want to give two or one?
Speaker 1 (15:04):
You know, yeah, I feel you, I understand. After going
oh in three, I don't think I feel good about
anything anymore. So you know what, I do want to
do though, is I want to tell you guys a
story to kind of to segue us into the topic
tonight's podcast. Let's take it back to circa two thousand
and six. Okay, Grant, you're hardly live at this point, and.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
It's probably four yeah, and probably well, it.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Depends, it depends on the month.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
But it's summer. It's summer. I'm four, okay, it's spring,
early summer, and Kevin and I, as the elders of
this podcast, we just got done with our what would
have been fifth grade year. Great year for me, by
the way, missus O'Neill was the last fifth grade class
at Fisher Elementary before they moved the fifth grade into
(15:59):
a inner media building with sixth graders the following year.
And I still played baseball at this time. Now, this
story actually involves more than just one occupant of the
Benton House, because this story involves John Whiz as well.
John Whiz a resident of the Des Moines area. And
(16:21):
in summer in Iowa, kids play baseball, and it's time
for AAU baseball. I'm the catcher on our team Marshalltown.
We had a solid squad. Okay, we had a really
solid group of guys. I could name them down. The
list doesn't matter, not contextual to the story. But they
were good. They were good dudes. We could hit the ball.
We had a couple good pitchers for a out of
(16:42):
the area des Moines team. We could play right, we
could play with a Johnston or a Valley. Anybody who's
central to Des Moines or Iowa knows the des Moines schools,
They're probably going to be able to beat Mason City,
beat Fort Dodge, beat Marshalltown. That's how it goes. In
sixth grade, there were two state tournaments for AU baseball teams.
(17:05):
School there's school teams and then there was what was
just called the AAU State Tournament. We played in both
and we absolutely dominated. In the sixth grade school team
state tournament. Marshalltown Bobcats two thousand and six School Tournament
champions I had a two home run game in the championship.
(17:26):
That doesn't matter. What does is then a couple of
weeks later, we played in the AAU State Championship. Now
this is same exact team. We're a team of nine
I think ten Marshalltown kids and one kid from East Marshall,
which is A two A school Kevin, and he was fast,
(17:47):
he hit like ninth whatever. We're basically a full Marshalltown team.
We entered the AU State tournament and we could play
with a bunch of the select schools around the area.
Right in Iowa team they go around, they pick the
best guys from each school. Let's go get the most
highly developed sixth graders out there. And we made it
(18:08):
run to the AAU State Championship as just your little
old Marshalltown kids and we met ourselves. The opponent named
the Iowa Cubs in the championship afiliates just like the
Triple A affiliate. And you want to know why they
were called the Iowa Cubs is because one of the
(18:29):
kids on the team and the financial backer of the
team was a part of the Iowa Cubs, the real
Iowa Cubs staff. These kids were from all around the
Des Moines area valley Johnston Dowling John Wiz was one
of them, and they were the best of the best.
A select, a select team, true select team, and we
(18:52):
could compete with damn near anyone, even the select schools
that we would go up against. But when we got
onto the diamond with the Iowa Cubs, Kevin Ingrant. We
didn't stand a fucking chance. There was nothing that was
gonna happen that day in the sixth grade AU State
Tournament that was gonna make the Marshalltown Bobcats win that game.
(19:13):
John Whiz was on the mound. And in sixth grade,
this man John Whiz, through seventy seven miles an hour.
I swear to God, I think he was actually clocked
into like the load to mid seventies and sixth grade.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
It's a great name for a baseball pitcher.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
Well, this last team was Wiznisky, but they called him
John Whiz. They had a lefty, Brock Everett went to valley.
When he threw the ball, you could hear it burn
through the air. At least this is how my memory
is of when I was in sixth grade.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
There were flames coming off of the baseball.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
In seven innings against the Iowa Cubs. We made contact
with the ball. We made contact with the ball twice.
I foul ticked it once and our worst player got
a single on them in like some random inning. It
didn't matter. No one else could do a single thing.
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It was the most embarrassing baseball game that we've ever played.
We got absolutely dominated. We had zero chance and I
tell you guys the story. I set the table here
with this because it kind of felt like I got
a little bit of a flashback. There was a little
nostalgia when I watched this Ohio State game and what
really did it for me? And I didn't know this
(21:21):
going in to this weekend, but when the announcer said
that they spent over twenty million dollars on this roster, well,
that Iowa plus twenty pick that I had on Awards
Winners started to feel a lot worse. I actually thought,
I don't like that pick anymore. I don't like it
at all because I know that Iowa didn't spend twenty million.
(21:43):
I don't think we spent two million. And this is
an alt This is sort of an adjacent discussion to
competing with the top teams in the Big Ten, competing
with an Ohio State or nationally with a Georgia or
an Alabama. Uh. But this is the sort of feeling
that I got watching this weekend when I watched their
(22:05):
freshman receiver just totally sun to Shaun Lee. I believe
it was and one hand a touchdown after having like
a forty or fifty yard catch on the play before
I thought, I don't know if this is fair, And
I go back and forth because part of me thinks,
(22:26):
if we hit the field goal in the first half,
which is one of several mistakes that you cannot make
against the top five team if you're going to stay
anywhere close, and or Caid finds weechen on that weird
sort of broken play and like something crazy happens, which
it easily could have, and he scores on that we're
(22:46):
somehow up ten seven and a half, which is exactly
where you won them. You couldn't ask for anything better.
So I'm not saying you can't beat these teams. I'm
not saying that the money that teams are able to
spend nowadays absolutely closes the door to ever competing with
a top five team. But I am starting to reconsider,
(23:08):
at least within my own head, what the expectations should be,
at least in the current state of nil, because that
roster and the eleven guys that we had against them,
even even with our great defense, we are vastly outmatched.
Just it is not even close in some areas. And
(23:30):
and that was shown the other day. And I hope
you guys like that story. I hope you guys liked,
uh the little baseball references there, we were we probably
could have competed with the White Sox back in sixth grade.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
Was that necessary get a White Sox fan on this show?
Speaker 3 (23:49):
It's valid, val, But I don't know.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
How did you guys feel about the game? What feeling
did you leave that game with? Did it take you
back to sixth grade? No?
Speaker 3 (24:00):
Okay, then did not go back to sixth grade?
Speaker 2 (24:06):
No?
Speaker 1 (24:06):
It felt a lot like.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
The trend we've been seeing against a lot of these
top rated oponents we've played in the last few years,
Like we stick around for a little bit, defenses more
or less doing their job, and then eventually we just
can't keep up with them in the race anymore. Yeah,
we have to drop back. You know, I didn't watch
it in real time. I recorded it and I kind
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of breezed through it later in the day.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
Oh good for you, that's yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
I didn't check my phone, didn't check text messages, didn't
check score, so I had no idea what was happening.
But I don't know, it's hard to get a feel
for the game when you're kind of breezing through it, Like, yeah,
you know, play happens fast forward twenty seconds. Play happens,
fast forward twenty second. You don't what to get as
good as a feel for the game. Sometimes you just outmatched.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
Yeah yeah, I put up one tweet, one like original
tweet during the game. I had a lot of responses,
had a lot I had time as they say, uh so,
I had a lot of like fun conversation responses to
a lot of the responses that I got. But my
tweet was to the time out that they took before
the fake punt that actually ended up working. We'll get
(25:21):
to that in a second. And somebody, you know, we
had a This was actually one of the cordial like
back and forth where someone was like, yeah, I understand
your point, and the last thing he said was just
like man, it just felt like really demoralizing that we
couldn't do anything against this team, and I was my
only response was sometimes, maybe more often than not, it's
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gonna be demoralizing when you play a top five team
that spent twenty million dollars on their roster, Like that's sorry,
but that's just sort of the plate we were served
this weekend. Like there's no way to just not totally,
you know, block yourself from the possibility that that is
what happens. And as a former player, and I know
(26:11):
Drake used to talk about this and Kevin you've you've
talked about it before as well. You're never throwing in
the you know, the towel, You're never waving the white flag.
You're not going into a game thinking, oh, we're screwed here,
there's no way we can win this thing. But it
is what it is. You're sitting there in the fourth quarter,
and especially as a fan who's a little bit more
(26:34):
detached from the actual game, you're sitting there going, well,
we didn't have a chance. There's there's nothing we could
have done here. And that's not totally true, but man,
that thing got away in the third quarter fast. And
you watch how an explosive team, an explosive team who
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can pretty much move the ball at will on you know,
I was still one of the best defensive in the
country come out of this weekend. That doesn't change things, right,
We had two great turnovers that Castro and Higgins created with,
had a lot of good stuff happened in that game
defensively before we didn't, but I mean, things happened fast,
(27:18):
and that actually takes me to another point as far
as philosophy against playing these teams where a lot of
people and we'll get there in a second. I don't
want to just completely run back through this whole game
because a lot of people don't they tune into these
things and they're like, I don't want to rehash getting
beat thirty five zero, you know, drive by drive. I
(27:40):
do want to start by saying keV that you know,
we talked about three things the other day and those
three things were turnovers. I can't even remember the other
two things at this point. What were the other things?
We talked about? Turnovers, penalties and our best players playing
our best and I think we said, like we had
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to win the turnover battle by at least two, probably three.
We lost it by one, and it was costly. Costly
that is, I mean, turnovers are a very very big factor.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
Two touchdowns off turnovers or three, at least two. I
think they got at least two.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
They had the one that Caid fumbled the first play
of a drive on our like fifteen or twenty, and
that was one of them. And then the pick that
got tipped that was going to Reese where I think
if it doesn't get tipped it's actually a pass interference.
Maybe because that guy through Reese by him, it did
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get tipped at the line.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
He picks that fell down.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
Well, yeah, that that could be the case too. I
don't know that guy took it back, like, I don't
know to our thirty or twenty. I'm pretty sure they
scored immediately after that, so that's at least two. And
then there was another fumble where Caid tried to I
don't even remember what the other turnover was. To be honest,
(29:12):
it was nice because we were getting our asses beat
so bad. Kind of by the end of the third
quarter there that I was on my way to a
late a week about a week late birthday dinner with
the wife. Went to a new restaurant here in Des Moines,
and I was like, cool, I can just put my
phone away because there's nothing there's nothing more for me here.
And then we walk into the restaurant and of course
what do they have on the TV? sEH iwall I
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stake came so I could not escape it. I watched
without sound sort of sparingly. The fourth quarter, tough one.
You don't win the turnover battle. Great pick by Castro,
great effort play by Higgins on the fumble that he
punched out, phenomenal play, unbelievable play.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
That's a first round or play right there.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
Especially when you give up the tackle on the play previous.
He was pissed probably, and then he went and redeemed
himself and the Castro play is just a good play.
And he made a couple other nice tackles in the
game as well. But I just I'm not even here
for anybody listening tonight to give you answers because I
don't have them.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
I mean, is there anything systemic about the turnover issue
like us turning the ball over three times?
Speaker 1 (30:22):
Or like, I don't know, because like going back systemic?
Speaker 4 (30:27):
Are you?
Speaker 1 (30:28):
Are you talking about the picture at large here?
Speaker 3 (30:30):
Yeah, Like is there a pattern of us turned the
ball over that? Or is there a you know.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Against the rank teams? You mean, yeah, I guess I
don't know. I'd have to go back and look. I
it's uh. I can see you kind of grasping it,
like you're trying to figure out why we haven't been
able to compete. You're you're asking the same question. You're
posing the same question to yourself that every fan is
posing on on social media in a different way. You're
(30:59):
at least asking questions. They're just so.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
I mean, I go back to the Minnesota game, we
win turnover better to nothing, Iowa State we lose two
to one, you know, the other two games whatever. I'm
just trying to think, like, where do we get to
a spot where we compete with these teams that were.
Speaker 6 (31:17):
Not Yeah, here's what I think, Like so Uber dependent
on winning turnover battles, Like, yeah, it's a huge stat
but at the same time that he can't live and
die by it, because no, you the time you win
turnover battles, it's that the other team made a mistake
that you're just there to capitalize on.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
Right.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
Sometimes you know, the good teams don't make mistakes, right,
Like Jay Higgins forced a turnover. Yeah, Will Howard made
an indivisable pass that Sebastian Casher made a playoff, So
the I.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
Uh, I think that. And there's a lot of and
I'm not saying that I didn't expect this or this
surprises me, but it is amazing how quick things turn
when emotion and I don't know, maybe alcohol or whatever
and and social media mix. Right, everybody knew last week
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like at this time last week Monday, We're going into
Ohio State week. Y'all listen to all the podcasts, right, yeah,
you know what they were ranked and what we were ranked.
All the hype, right the spread said three touchdown, Like
we we knew that this was I mean exactly. It's like,
(32:36):
and then it happens that surprised by it, right, That's
what I'm saying, And then it happens, And when it's
when it's actually happening in real time, people still melt
down like they expected something different.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
Well, I mean, you always expect your team to compete
and play well, right, I mean, and I think we
did that for you, man. I mean, speaking as a
White Sox fan, it's pretty miserable when you expect your
team to lose lou Is going into every single game.
I guess football is a little different though at the
same time, Well.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
But I would argue that we did compete for the
first half of We did.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
We totally did. Yes, guys are playing hard. Maybe it's
just that when we see that, it's always like you
see where you can win those games, right, you always
see like, oh, we did this, we did that, we
did this, we were in that game or something like that,
or you know, like we've had those experiences like twenty sixteen,
(33:30):
beating Michigan, twenty seventeen, beting in Ohio State, you know,
beating Penn State in eight and nine. Like, you know,
Hawkeye fans have memories of those games of beating those
top five opponents, right, and they take a lot and
even even when we haven't won those games, we've been
pretty competitive until like the last.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
Three years, three and twenty four. Yeah, so here's my
theory on this, and it's not real. It's not like
a real clean cut theory. And I already babble and
explain shit poorly anyway, So just hang in there on
this with me. But I think a large part of
our algorithm to either coming up with upsets in those
(34:15):
games or at least playing close. I'm trying to think
of a game where we didn't win, but we played
close with like a top well. I mean Ohio State
twenty thirteen, you know, I think we lost by ten.
It's like thirty one.
Speaker 3 (34:28):
We were winning at halftime. I mean that was a
very talented Ohio State team.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
I think it was. I think it was fourteen ten
at half, and we lost thirty thirty one, twenty.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
One, right, like something along those lines.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
We were not and I think the spread was probably
similar that day, right, but we over we over delivered
on what people thought, like we kept that thing a game,
we were up at half. How do we at least
get back to there? And I think the thing about
it is our offense, which and this is this goes
(34:59):
to show how truly bad the offense was the last
two years. Because while it has improved drastically, and even
yesterday you see a few drives there, a few plays.
We even had a couple like fifteen twenty yard passes
down the middle of Lache one to Gill. You're like,
oh my god, we have not seen any of this
(35:19):
in two years. Like I like what Lester's doing. I
think everybody should like what Lester's doing. Right now, it
is still not good enough to where when you're playing
a top five team, like we're talking top five caliber,
and when you go back to look at the teams
that we've lost to, we got absolutely shell shocked by
this Ohio State outfit in twenty two. Yep, it was
(35:44):
in the shoe.
Speaker 3 (35:45):
They we scored, the Joans, set up stripsack fumble and
then it was like fifty two straight points for Ohio State.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
That team lost to Michigan in the Big Ten Championship,
but was a CFP team the year prior to that
in the Big Ten champ being Chip that you and
I attended, Kevin, that was a Michigan team that I
believe was a CFP team.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
They were twenty one.
Speaker 6 (36:08):
Yeah, so we're talking, we're talking those two teams.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
Yeah, those two teams are top four teams in the
in the entire country at the end of the year,
right after a whole season approving it. And then what
was the other one, Penn State. Penn State last year
was not at the top, top caliber, and that one
was really unfortunate. But again, I don't want to get
too nuanced here, but if you go look at that,
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we lose Caid Deacon comes in like we're so depleted offensively,
We're in such a bad spot that the defense is there,
the offense was so so, so, so bad that there
was just nothing to punch back with. In the past,
we've had at least a sixtieth seventieth eightieth ranked offense
(36:57):
to punch back with, and that is just barely enough
to when it's close, you can sort of punch a
little bit above your weight and make the other team tight.
We don't have enough. We don't have enough for other
teams to really play tight. They're just it. It's so depleted.
And so I think that's the answer, is just like, yeah,
(37:17):
our offense has just been so abnormally bad, even though
Iowa hasn't been an offensive juggernaut over the path, you know,
going back to our time, like I think we were
still ranked in the fifties in twenty fifteen or something
like that, like we had enough.
Speaker 3 (37:32):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 (37:33):
I mean great defense and okay, offense CJ.
Speaker 3 (37:37):
Nate Stanley don't get near enough credit as they got
during their time.
Speaker 1 (37:42):
No, I think people are appreciating them more and more
every day. Yeah, and we just have not had enough
because as great as our defense can be, and you
basically saw what that looks like yesterday or Saturday, as
you listen to this on Monday or during the week sometime,
like when you have a great defense, you can hang
in there, you can, you know, like we they scored
(38:03):
on us first drive unbelievable like sixteen play drive, but hey,
it takes off a ton of clock. You're getting You're
getting into a spot where if you can go just
back and forth with them a little bit, if we
kick a field goal, if we make that field goal,
which is one of the mistakes that we talked about,
you cannot you cannot miss that field goal. You cannot
(38:24):
blunder that that fake punt situation that we did. You
cannot do the turnovers. You can't make those turnovers in
this kind of game. There's just no margin Forreyer for
those things. If we have any any sort of offense,
that's when you know, Akrom can scare Michigan a little bit, right,
(38:45):
he can do some things that like, oh god, they
actually have to, But we just don't have that right now.
We're year one of an offensive coordinator. People are calling
for Kirk's head and they're like, why can't we beat
the They're not even following their own logic that they
been using to complain the last couple of years. They're like,
why can't we beat the good teams? It's like, Okay,
well it's probably the offense. Yeah, we gave up thirty
(39:06):
five points. But if we have any sort of offense
to help fight back in this game, it doesn't get
to that disparity. Yeah, okay, So then we look at
the offense, Well, you're in year one of an OC. Okay,
so was it the OC? Maybe like Brian proved to
be not a great offensive coordinator, we we finally moved
on from him, that could be the answer. And we
just happened to play Ohio State this year, who's potentially
(39:28):
the CFP best best team. So that doesn't make you
feel any better. None of that, none of that is
like a moral victory. But and I know no one
wants to hear, well you have to wait longer. But
like here in year one of a of an offensive
coordinator change and a guy who's also now the quarterbacks coach,
(39:49):
so he's got a lot of he's got a lot
of hands on the puppets of this offense now, and
we might just have to wait, you know, to be
able to play with the big boys, because if you
look at the offense, it is different, it's better, and
we're doing things better.
Speaker 3 (40:04):
But we've also talked about, you know how we've been
a young, inexperience undeveloped from a player standpoint. Sure a
couple of years, we finally have a veteran offensive line
you know we have helps. Yeah, exactly, we have a
running back who is playing well above what we expected
(40:28):
prior to the year. Yeah, you can't promise that those
things are gonna be.
Speaker 1 (40:33):
Back next year. No, And I think a lot of
people actually think that they won't be back next year.
I think a lot of people are very worried looking
at next year, which I think is pointless. Like we
worry about this year and you let you let the
team and the staff like reload the gun, and we'll
worry about that when it comes.
Speaker 3 (40:48):
But no, I mean, you're not wrong. But at the
same time.
Speaker 1 (40:53):
You're saying in the context of hey, we need to
wait another year for this offense.
Speaker 3 (40:57):
Exactly, it's not It's not like, oh, you're in the
year three of a rebuild.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
Is like next year is our year man, Yeah, yeah,
we're Scott frost Ara Now, Yeah, I get it. I
get it. And that's you know, that is the reality
is with this whole COVID thing, and we've got all
these six years and we happen to bring Tim Lester
in at this specific time. Yeah, year two might not
be as big of a step as we'd like. After
(41:24):
after a full year in the program, because of how
much we lose personnel wise, who knows.
Speaker 3 (41:31):
So I mean, I don't have answers for you. Also,
I didn't watch the game all that closely, like I said,
but one of the things that sticks out to me
is that we went fifteen of twenty one throwing the ball,
which is a good percentage, not badly. One hundred and
ten yards right, five point two yards per pass is bad.
Speaker 1 (41:54):
And this is a this is a pattern. And I
actually here's where maybe the fans just cream their pants
when they hear this, and like, and I have nothing
against Cad. I actually like I think it's completion percentage
is like almost sixty five percent right now. On the ear,
I think percentage wise, Cad has been like pretty good
(42:14):
pretty much what we would ask for. The issue is, well,
one the issue is if he's going to turn it
over like he did on Saturday. No, it can't have that, buddy,
you can't do that. But even without those turnovers, it's
really hard to like have a complete offense if you're
averaging five yards.
Speaker 3 (42:32):
A pass per attempt.
Speaker 1 (42:35):
Yeah, per attempt, that's not even per completion.
Speaker 3 (42:37):
I mean, this is where it takes me in my mind,
is that we are not a good enough offense nor
consistent enough offense to consistently drive down the field. Yeah, yeah,
we need some shot plays.
Speaker 1 (42:50):
You got to have some gotta have shot plays. And
if you don't have and here's where you start. And
this is where I'm going with this. Why I said
that the fans might get happy is because I actually
at this point, I know this is easier said than done,
because I think we paid Kate a lot of money.
I actually think, like what it why not just put
(43:11):
Sullivan in? I don't know if there's a whole lot
of to use the pun the joker from from Brian.
What's the downside? Like we've seen him a couple of
times on the goal line. He came in for the
last ten minutes of that game, had a nice little
scramble shovel pass shovel pass to uh A Stranga in
the one game.
Speaker 3 (43:33):
I get that. But at the same time, kind of
what you're going along with with your story, Like you
the Marshalltown Bobcats were going to completely reorganize their team
based off that one out against the Iowa Cubs. No,
you know, this is still a team that as we
look at the rest of the schedule, can beat everyone
else on the schedule. Oh yeah, favorite versus Washington this week.
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You know, we go to Michigan State, Like, oh, I
have what we played in the first five games of
you know, the style play and how well we played
can easily not easily, but it can win the next
six to seven games.
Speaker 1 (44:11):
Yeah, And you're basically saying what I what nobody wants
to hear keV. But you're what you're saying is like is.
Speaker 3 (44:17):
Say, hey, we played good enough to win ten out
of twelve games, but our style play is never going
to beat.
Speaker 1 (44:25):
You just have to be okay with not beating a
top the top five teams because you're just not good enough.
And people don't like hearing that. They want to be
able to at least compete in those games, and I
do too. But this takes me back to what I
originally said with the money thing is I think with
how in Io's currently and again, you have to go
out and play it. It's not like anybody stepped up
(44:47):
on Saturday and said, well WHOA actually hold on a second.
Turns out, Ohio State, they spent twenty million this offseason. Iowa,
you spent two million. We're going to put four points
on the board for Iowa. Make this fair. This is
all about equality or equity maybe or uh, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (45:09):
Yeah, I get that. At the same time, at what
point does the money thing be come Joe for you,
the one the team with the higher That's why the
Yankees don't win the World Series every year. It's good
enough to get him in the playoffs pretty much every year,
but they don't win the World Series every year.
Speaker 1 (45:25):
It begs the question, though, is there a point where
with the disparity of money so different And I know
it's changing, so actually I think this argument goes away technically,
I think collectives can still exists around it. Is there
is there a point where a team like Iowa Who's
never who by the way, fire Kirk, move on from Kirk,
(45:45):
whatever you want to do to Kirk. Which is so
many people online are just like, yeah, it's football's college
football is pasted Kirk ference by that's the best one, Kevin,
I fucking love college football has passed Kirk Kirk ference by. Okay,
will you find me somebody who wants to come to
(46:06):
Iowa City or who is able to come to Iowa
City and sustain the type of and create and sustain
the type of program in the NIL era that is
going to consistently beat Ohio State. It's just not going
to happen.
Speaker 3 (46:23):
Like there are some in nobody consistently beats Ohio No.
Speaker 1 (46:26):
There's there's an infrastructure in place here with tradition and
years and years of how these programs have been built
where I don't know if there's a you can pull
Saban off the street, off the game day desk, and
he's not going to come in and beat Ohio State
consistently with the Iowhawkeys, like there's there are some just
some things that you're going to have to accept being
(46:47):
an Iowahawkeye fan. And that is at least for the
next few decades until something major changes college football. Ohio
State's going to be a better program than you. You're
in Europe, Michigan probably gonna be a better program than you.
They're also going to have way more money. And so
that's where the expectations things gets weird because now you're like, well,
we just want them to compete, Okay, Well yeah, now
(47:11):
there's a gray area because it's not just winning and losing,
and so I don't know it does get to the
point where it's like, I think at some point it's
hard to expect you to ever win because we played
really hard and maybe if we have an offense, we're
tied or up on that game. But Ohio State could
have still done that to us if we were up
fourteen seven and all of a sudden, it's thirty five
(47:32):
to fourteen, because over the course of a game, it's
like when it's like when fucking Dowling played Marshalltown. We
could hang with them for a half, but our guys
got tired and we didn't have depth, and eventually their
athletes were fresh and better and more prepared for a
sixty minute ball game, and they just.
Speaker 3 (47:51):
I was talking to a friend about a complete different subject,
but this just popped in my head. It's like, if
you were to play Lebron James one on one one
first person scores, you might win and get the ball first.
You might win one out of twenty games if you
just you know, jump back through a wild hook shot
and it just goes in. Maybe not one out to win,
(48:11):
maybe one out of one hundred, right.
Speaker 1 (48:12):
Sure, but you got a chance.
Speaker 3 (48:14):
But you played a five, you're gonna win one in
a million, you played one hundred, you were gonna win
zero games?
Speaker 1 (48:22):
Right, Yeah, Yeah, there's time de kay.
Speaker 3 (48:25):
Yeah, eventually the numbers is kind of vert to where
they're supposed to.
Speaker 1 (48:30):
Yeah, And like it is really tough as an Iowa
a former Iowa guy, and for those listening, like Iowa
fans to just accept, Hey, there's some other factors here
that we're just we're up against we're up against the
dollar signs, we're up against the It's tough, and I'm
not saying that we're even there yet, but I think
(48:50):
it's part of it. I think it's part of it.
And maybe that's maybe that's where you can land on. Well,
college football's ruined today maybe I don't know, but twenty
million dollars on a roster.
Speaker 3 (49:05):
Yeah, and that's and then this is where you have
to play moneyball almost when you got to go find
the guys that are not being bid millions of dollars
out of high school, yeah, and fit them into your
system that can somehow scrape wins out against those programs.
Speaker 1 (49:24):
Well, I was questioning if I was going to actually
bring this up, but I got a ds.
Speaker 3 (49:29):
It's hard, it's not impossible, and obviously, we're striving to
do it. We're striving to win every game every year.
It's it's just it's hard, right.
Speaker 1 (49:37):
I was kind I was dmd by a family member
of a current starter on the Hawkeys listener of the show,
and they said, I'm not gonna reveal anything that would
ever reveal who this is, but they said something along
the lines of, hey, love the show, YadA YadA. You
and Kevin Ward know that it's already hard to compete
(50:00):
and with the current you know, they're claiming that they're
that their son. This is a parent of one of
the players was offered half a million by multiple other
schools this offseason to come and play for them and
to leave to leave Iowa and come play for him,
and they turned it down because they've been at Iowa
(50:23):
for a few years and there and I you know,
they bought in. They've established themselves in Iowa City like
all this stuff, and they turned down that money.
Speaker 3 (50:31):
But it's incredibly hard for a college kid to do.
But like, especially if you like I have no idea,
I have no idea who this is. You haven't told
me about this in private, But especially if you come
from a family that, oh, the money.
Speaker 1 (50:45):
Oh, Kevin, I'm gone impossible, I'm gone, yeah, I mean,
no one's offering long snapper.
Speaker 3 (50:51):
This is something that you can actually kind of compare to,
Like we had those wins versus top three Michigan, top
three Ohio State team. Yeah, then transfer portal wasn't nearly
what it was today and it exists. So did Ohio
State get good recruits every year? Yees? Did they miss
(51:11):
on some? Yes, they were locked in on those thirty
guys a year or whatever. Right this year, every offseason
they can go and fill the gaps in their.
Speaker 1 (51:22):
Roster and not not with guys that they're taking a
chance on, guys that.
Speaker 3 (51:26):
Are proven, guys that are proven, right exactly. Whereas you
know twenty sixteen, like, hey, we found a couple of
guys that were really under valued. We found some two star,
three star guys that are playing at second round draft level.
You know that, you know, we found we got a
three star no a fan at two star TJ. Hockinsonesh
(51:48):
that locked out the first round draft picks that could
you know, tear up an Ohio State defense back in
twenty seventeen, right the parent twenty twenty four college football
you just don't know that a mission or house state
has gaps in the roster that they can't fill with
the twenty million dollars that they're paying out, and be
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that those two and three star guys that start playing
really good football stay at a program that can't afford
to pay them that type of money. Yeah, And the
point that's what it makes it even harder to compete
with those top programs in this ARA. And we'll see
if things change in twenty twenty five once schools start
paying the salaries.
Speaker 1 (52:30):
I hope they do, because now theoretically, you know, each
each school now has like the twenty two million that
they can pay all their programs, right, But I don't
know if it will. And it doesn't mean that the
collectives won't just double it because they still have twenty
extra million in their collective. The parent was basically getting at, hey,
you know, I was not even close like that, you know,
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because they're money wise. Oh I'm sure money wise, because
I'm assuming if I'm a player and some SEC school
is what this parent said, can't comes and says, hey,
we'll give you five hundred K, seven hundred and fifty
k to come play, Like that's nothing for us. We'll
just that's basically that's a starter. That's a starter, and
IL for us payout twenty two of those a year
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and that ends up being a little less than twenty million.
So there you go. There's your there's your money. If
you're a player, then you probably go to to Tyler
Barnes or the or Brad and you're like, hey, can
I is there any more? Or like I'm they're offering
me this, like I'm I kind of got like some
decisions to make here, and they're like, and from what
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I gather from this from this person, we're not even close.
And this person said they've got a sibling of said
player who is either entering college now or did last
year or something and would have loved to come to Iowa.
But with what they're giving out, like there's middle of
the road, big twelve schools that are paying five x
(53:56):
what I was willing to and this is maybe something
good here for the fans that me and you have
tried to preach forever and a lot of people like
Iowa doesn't do it the wrong way. Basically, what this
person said, I think word for word was until Iowa
does pay for play, it's gonna be tough to compete
because all the other schools are doing it. O KA
(54:16):
runs a clean program, Like, that's not what we do here.
Speaker 3 (54:19):
I mean, then the thing is pay for play is
legal now, right, And basically I guess I guess the
rich people of other schools, the rich boosters of other schools,
care more about the success of there.
Speaker 2 (54:31):
There you're saying, Ashton Kutcherd does not care enough about
Iowa football to give us all this money, not currently,
not currently.
Speaker 3 (54:40):
He should he should come out with a new Netflix
special just to fund the how collective.
Speaker 1 (54:45):
That'd be great, That'd be great, and and that's a
lot of so you know, we're a couple of minutes
in here, we're going to close down the podcast. And
that's a lot of sort of pontification and discussion around Hey,
is is the money thing becoming a lot here? Is
that ma be a potential at least factor in why
Iowa a program that Hey, for the other ten or
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eleven games, you can compete, You'll be fine. You can
actually win those games, and you have a great chance
of winning those games if you just play well. But
that one or two teams that you're gonna play a year.
If you're gonna play organ Ohio State, sorry, you're fucked.
There's just it's such a gap between the top and
the next that you should not expect to even you know,
(55:26):
maybe even make those close. And then I think about
everything that just happened this weekend. Vanderbilt couldn't be stopped
against Bamah, Tennessee loses to Arkansas, and I start to think,
but it's bullshit, because anybody can beat anybody, but.
Speaker 3 (55:44):
There are some yes can yes, But but over a
long enough period of time, talent wins out.
Speaker 1 (55:52):
Yeah. So, and they've got a little and I.
Speaker 3 (55:54):
Think, you know, I don't know if I said this
on the podcast, but I was definitely thinking this before
the week's, like, you know, going to this games like
Ohio State probably covers the spread on US eight times
out of ten. Oh yeah, you know, we play them
close once and we beat them once. This twenty twenty
four Hawk Eye team versus the twenty twenty four Buckeye team.
Speaker 1 (56:12):
And I would I would even maybe burn that out
to like twenty or twenty five games, and I'd say
we might we might beat them two out of twenty
five games, keep it close another two out of twenty
five games and twenty one times they they handily take
care of us or something. You know, there's there's a
spread in there, but yeah, the gap is large. The
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gap is large.
Speaker 3 (56:34):
It is you know, Vandermilk got Alabama on one of
those ten games. Happens, happens, happens.
Speaker 1 (56:42):
It was fun to watch the goalpost go into the river.
That was cool.
Speaker 3 (56:45):
That was cool. Did you see they're gonna cut it
up and auction off?
Speaker 1 (56:48):
I would for the SEC fine, yeah, I mean this
is what I told Laura this morning as we were
as She was like, did you see what happened to
the goalpost? And I was like, oh, yeah. This is
the best part about college football is that something sobs
third as a goal post being coming down because fans
are on it and then walking it through the city
is allowed and encouraged because of how big of an
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upset that was. It would never happen in the NFL,
because any anybody can beat anybody on any given day.
Speaker 3 (57:19):
No, I mean, three hundred and sixty four days out
of the year, you get arrested for trying to do something.
Speaker 1 (57:23):
Like yeah, you're it's a it looks like a fucking
like a riot or like a protest, but no, they're
getting paraded through the street with like a police escort
to make sure no one gets run over because those
guys are taking that goalpost to the river. Baby.
Speaker 2 (57:38):
I think it is the first time Varnerabilt beat Alabama
at Vannerbilt since like the seventies.
Speaker 1 (57:43):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying is it's so astronomically not
going to happen that when it does, there's no rules. Yeah,
that's and that's college football. Ashton Jean Ti had thirteen
carries for another one hundred and eighty six yards and
three touchdowns. This kid's gonna win the Heisman. It's fucking amazing.
Speaker 2 (57:57):
He's the most disgusting football player I've ever seen.
Speaker 1 (58:00):
And by the way, good for Caleb Johnson. Caleb who
did not play in the last ten minutes. He could
have easily had one hundred if they just played him
in like the last one or two series. I think
they didn't because we don't want to hurt the guy.
He almost got his his hundred and he had the
one touchdown the points that we got for the game,
So you know, still having a great year and he
will if eighty six yards and a touchdown is his
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worst game this year. Likely, Hawkeye fans still have a
lot to look forward too. So thank you guys for
tuning in. We probably didn't make you feel any better
at all. All you know is that I had a
two home run game, double dinger game in the A
State Championship in two thousand and six, and it is
what it is. Your kid could hit you know, your
guy could hit the ball. Four hitter clean up. Thanks
(58:42):
for listening. Catch all the programming from the walk Ons
this week. We'll be back with you know, Grant me
and Grant on Patreon, Liam on Friday, I Cold on
Wednesday preview of the Washington game. I think Fox Big
newon kickoff is coming, so that'll be fun.
Speaker 3 (59:00):
The Hawk guys are favorite, how about that?
Speaker 1 (59:01):
And we're favored over a team that was just favored
and completed a victory over Michigan. It's just a lot
of things happening in college football. We'll talk to you
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So that was a tough one. Not the game that
Hawkey Nation wanted to see. This is an interesting episode
because there's not a lot of breakdown, not a lot
of recap of the actual events, plays, drives that happened
in the game. It's more philosophical on us, just having
a conversation trying to figure out how do we compete
in these games again, if at all, and how does
(00:20):
anil play a role. This one was a little bit different.
Let's have a day, let's go. You gotta go see
(00:51):
banana ball, but you just really should catch a Banana's game.
And I'm like, what is that. He's like, Oh, this
is They're They're like the next hottest thing. Welcome into
the podcast, everybody, here for another recap of some Hawkeye football.
I know, not the game that a lot of you
wanted to see. We'll get to that in a second.
We have Grant here, we have Kevin, both of them
look Chipper energized, ready to talk ball. And Grant you're
(01:15):
repping the Broncos. Congrats to them on at least for now.
I think they're holding a lead against the Raiders. Is
that game, Clay, the game? That game is over.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
It is over absolutely dominated, to destroyed the Raiders. Finally
got the monkey off for back.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
We hadn't beat the Raiders in forever.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Good to beat them today. In the best uniforms in
the NFL. Might I add out there, look at the
orange crush. Look how gorgeous those blue helmets sit on
the Orange jerseys.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
The blue hole this is for.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
This is the nineties, looks seventies, seventies.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Well they put in I believe who they put in
for in the the ring of the Ring of Honor
today is from the seventy seven team.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
So wow.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
But I think they I think they wore the jerseys
for a very long time. I don't know when this
year he started it ended.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
I'll tell you this. It's a good look. It's a
clean look.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
It's a fantas the Broncos have always had, like a
top five jersey in the league.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
I like it, Yeah, I like it a lot. This
yere is a gardner Minshew under pressure and your very
own hawkeye cornerback in the NFL. The only white one
by the way. Uh Rightley Moss with his first NFL
interception Minshoe down the sideline, shut bone. It's Riley Moss
(02:30):
with the interception for the Broncos his and he was
so excited And obviously, why wouldn't you.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
What do the Eagles have Coop listed at?
Speaker 1 (02:45):
Then? I believe he's their nickel and he's a backup nickel.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Okay, I say he's on unfortunate pun return punching bag.
It looks like from last week. Dude.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
If I'm Coop, I'm asking for a three games in
after that.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
We will accept them at the Broncos, will you? We
will welcome in with open artists.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
I love when anybody does anything good in college football.
Grant you tweet at them and you we'll just say
Kevin Ward is the player, and you just go, Kevin Ward,
you are a Denver Bronco.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Well, here's here's the idea. I'm not a GM. No
one's contacted me to be a gam at, but my
simple strategy would be, you can't have good players like
do the cool places again, like a guy like Ryan
wants he can't do Ryan Williams stuff against you if
he's on your team. So if you just even if
you just got to hoard him right, be like, we
don't let anyone know how good this Davante Ross guy
(03:42):
is all right, we just hide him on our bench.
He's our secret, right, So we're we're gonna unleash him soon.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
So you're telling hold on, execut Car, this is this
is groundbreaking stuff. You're telling me that if you did
happen to become a GM of an NFL team someday,
which is not out of the question at this point.
Let's just be honest. Your strategy would to be to
get as many good players on your team as possible.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
No, no, you're you're misinterpreted, of course, duh right, No, No,
we want to horde players.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
Want to find all these players and put them on
your like your practice squad.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
So here, here's how many how many how many receivers
like get drafted a year? How many? Horrible person to ask,
but a lot.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
That's in the neighborhood of fifty maybe not quite but
ballpark forty.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
What if we just used all we just took all
the receivers.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
What if we just got all of them? Now, what
if we just owned one position? We just we just
took all the receivers. You just you were just created
a monopoly amongst an entire position group.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
I mean, you know that's that's a strategy. That sometimes
works in fantasy, and then you trade, like some receivers
for a good quarterback.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
You got instant competition in practice, whoever doesn't make it,
you trade other teams and then you acquire what else
you need.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Okay, well is that? Yeah? The difference between fantasy and
real life is you have to keep those guys happy,
and generally that means they want to score touchdowns, so
only so many guys can score. But I like it, Grant.
I like the aggressiveness. I like where you're going, and
I like that you're repping your Broncos on a on
a Sunday where they got to win. Congratulations to you
in Bronco Nation, Bronco country. Is that what it's?
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Broncos country?
Speaker 1 (05:21):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Okay, I can say Broncos country.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Let's ride or not? We can still rude, okay, cool?
We I told a story about how we met Russ
in Vegas? Right you did?
Speaker 3 (05:33):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (05:35):
Yeah? Crazy?
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Kevin, how are you doing on the Sunday any?
Speaker 3 (05:40):
I mean I'm doing pretty good, doing pretty good. It's
a nursing a little bit of a hangover this morning,
but we're doing all right now.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
I thought that was going to a different direction. I thought
you were gonna say, like a hamstring or something like
you'd you know, tweaked an ankle on a run or
something a hangover. Yeah, so you had a couple of pops. Uh,
you still get down at thirty years old.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
Hey, I am twenty nine, all right, I'm not old
like you and Drake and Ike.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
And that's it.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
That's it. Okay, my wife, I hope she doesn't listen
to this one. No, I'm still a thriving, young twenty
nine year old. And we went out to the Amana
Colonies Octoberfest this weekend and down a few pops out there.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
The Amanic Colonies is a good time.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
Yeah. So this is the first Octoberfest that I've been
to out there. Been meaning to do it for like
the last several years, but we finally got a chance
to and it was it was It was fun.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Got fun. Glad you had a good time. Yeah, glad
you got to enjoy yourself, maybe got to drink all Uh,
you know, the pops helped you maybe numb some of
the some of the what happened during the two thirty
kickoff against the Ohio State Buckeyes yesterday. We will talk
about that in a second, I do really quickly, Grant,
if you could pull up the Awards winners, just want
(06:53):
to roll through those really tough day for your guy.
And I don't even really have a lot to say.
We just had, you know, Missouri turns out there fraud
and Grant maybe Grant or Kevin maybe tried to tell
me that maybe Texas A and M is better than
we thought. Iowa. Uh, you might be able to say
Iowa was a fraud if we're going to talk about
competing against top five, top ten teams in the country,
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that's sort of been the trend the last three years.
And then jmu, I'm sad. I'm sad. Boys, not only
did they not cover, they didn't they didn't win. They
didn't even win.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Yep, they got Beach Louisiana Monroe.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
Yeah, so they're out of playoff discussion.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
The Warhawks sneaky general booty.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
I just can't go against them, can't, can't, won't go
against them the rest of the year. Your boy goes
zero to three and I am now under five hundred
for the year. We need a huge bounce back week
this week, and trust me, I'm coming. Uh, I'm bringing
louis and Uh, and I'm bringing more than three.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
Picks this week. We'll just say that I'm moving the awards.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Winners are gonna be like a thirty five minute segment.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Now it's gonna be.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
To its own podcast at some point.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
It probably deserves its own podcast. Kevin, how'd you do? Uh?
Speaker 3 (08:02):
Not not great? Not great? So we had Clemson minus fourteen.
I think that line skyrocket up to like seventeen by
the end of the week. Uh, they won by sixteen
I think. Uh, I thought, yeah, you got it right, Yeah, no,
I got it, but you know, it depends on where
everyone else got it. Uh, yeah, they won by sixteen points.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
Florida State is in a bad state as a program
at one in five.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Did you see the graphic that they threw up in
the beginning of the game. It was like, a win
means it's like restoring all any and all hope for.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
The FSU program.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
That horrible Clemson wind means staying in playoff contentionent Florida
State just maybe a single smile.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
That was what a broadcast foot up. Yes, that's amazing,
that's incredible.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
Yeah, it's uh, it's bleaked out there in Tallahasse.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Did you imagine if the broadcast team got real funny
and they put up like Clemson stays in playoff content
Florida State, maybe their fans won't kill themselves after.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Yeah, the graphic just said, what's at stake? Florida State
with a wind restores hope and respect.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
I could you.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
Imagine the state of the podcast in the state of
Iowa fans right now if we're rolling into Washington week
at one in four whatever.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Oh god, it would dude, the state of the fans
from I mean, and I understand it's Twitter, it's not
real life, but you know, you get on social media.
This will be part of tonight's show as well, addressing
some of the narratives online, at least throughout the vocal
minority fan base that likes to bitch and moan. You'd
think that we were one in five right now. Anyway,
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we're as good as one in five and some fans eyes.
But yeah, if we were legitimately one in five and
we had one like versus Illinois State and then gone
over in the last four games, there might be fires.
I mean, yeah, it could be bad.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
Well, I mean, this is a team that was pre
season ranked number ten.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Yeah, and you know what. You know what my favorite
stat is is they always have I think, for like
some amount of years running, like a really good amount,
like twelve or fourteen or something years running, there's at
least one team that starts in the AP top twenty
five that finishes the season unranked or not. That's sorry, no, no, no,
(10:18):
the top ten, top ten. Yeah, the top ten of
the EIGHTP top twenty five that finishes the season unranked.
And it's really fun to go back through and we
just squeaker already. I don't know what's happening. I have
like a bubble with my pro I'm dying time out.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
You got this, Yeah, I was about to say, you said, yeah, whatever,
go ahead.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
It's just fun to go back and see those teams
that that are. They just turn into dog shit.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
They're like, oh, it's Notre Dame half the time.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Well, and Grant and I've had this discussion. We don't
need to shit on Notre Dame anymore, but it is
often we can.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
I mean, yeah, I got great, Grant's got time and
he's got notes.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
It's actually funny you brought that up because a little
let me bring out my Notre Dame notebook.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Let's go back to two thousand and seven.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Florida State, though, is funny, particularly this year because ever
since they got left out of the playoff, and I
agree that they got robbed.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
I thought that was ridiculous. Absolutely, Robb last.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Yer, I don't know if any program is it's has
had a worse time than Florida State.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
Like one game is they got absolutely they got destroyed
by Georgia, destroyed by Georgia in the game, and then
they're one in five this year.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Yeah, it's just and then also they're suing the a
SEC because they're apparently we're too good for the ACC
and another one in five.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Interesting, it's an interesting from me.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
I mean, it's the SEC. You don't take them now
at this point, and like, I don't know, I don't
know what's gonna happen with them.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
I'm gonna be totally honest speaking of teams taking action.
Did you guys see it all? Like last week we
kind of slipped under the radar and I didn't mention
anything on it. I had it in my notes, but
I just it didn't come up in the show. After
Nebraska lost that Illinois Friday night game. Do you see
that Nebraska sent something to the Big Ten or like
came out with a statement that they no longer want
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to host or want to play on Friday nights. They
do not, they do not want to play football on
Friday nights any.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
They played what two games on Friday night.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
It's such a bad looks like after the night after
or the morning after they lose, they're like, Okay, but
we don't want to do that anymore. Like Fridays. We're not.
We're not about it. We don't. We don't like that.
It was just so it was so bitch like.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
I mean, I'm not a huge fan of the college
football Friday night games to be honest with you, especially
if like you have to burn on your home games
like that. I'm okay watching the Hawks play away games
on Friday night, right, I feel like you don't get
the full home game experience when you have Friday night games.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
So this is straight from ESPN. Nebraska eighty requests no
more Friday games except Black Friday. Okay, so they did
save Black Friday.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
But isn't this the last one?
Speaker 3 (12:57):
Anyway?
Speaker 1 (12:58):
I believe this is the last Black Friday game for
Nebraska and Iowa.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
Interesting, all right, circle on all the way back to
number the second pick that had we had had a
rough week picking otherwise we had Tennessee minus thirteen. They
lose out right, USC minus eight. They lose out right.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
Man.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
Tough, tough week, but one until we'll bounce back next week.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
Grant we went.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
We went seven and three, wow, which is pretty good
concerning we were zero and two before Saturday even started
because UTEP disaster on Thursday. I don't know if it
was paying attention, but in front of the tens of
fans that were watching that, it was not good. UNLV
got absolutely robbed on Friday night by the officiating. I
still don't understand targeting or rough in the pastor but
(13:46):
they got absolutely screwed and everyone knows it. But regardless,
cal At like two in the morning blew a twenty
five I think point lead to Miami like they had
him on the brink of upset. It was gonna be
fantastic this They covered anyone, but they should have game day.
Game day, the calgorithm showed out.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
It was awesome.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Minnesota went out right, Washington beat Michigan and the overhit
right at the end needed a field goal so bad
got it anyway, and then A and M just absolutely
destroyed Missouri. I don't know if I was like I
think I was correct about Missouri being a little bit overrated,
but I still think I don't think eight and M
is that much better than them regardless. And then Texas
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Tech beat Arizona in South Carolina looked awful against Ollness,
so that was not a very good pick. But hey,
I'll take seven to three, still sticking above five hundred, so.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Garry's looking good. Twenty four to nineteen and one just
so many games. I just cannot wait for that to
be seventy something in sixty I got to pick a
lot more games at the accuracy by volume. Baby, if
we turn this into its own show, we can all
do like forty picks. It could It could be like
like Portnoy and their show when they come up with
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like eighteen.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
I don't think I can, though, because I only feel
I rarely feel good about more than five. I don't
ever feel like I only feel good about three. How
we really only want to give two or one?
Speaker 1 (15:04):
You know, yeah, I feel you, I understand. After going
oh in three, I don't think I feel good about
anything anymore. So you know what, I do want to
do though, is I want to tell you guys a
story to kind of to segue us into the topic
tonight's podcast. Let's take it back to circa two thousand
and six. Okay, Grant, you're hardly live at this point, and.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
It's probably four yeah, and probably well, it.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Depends, it depends on the month.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
But it's summer. It's summer. I'm four, okay, it's spring,
early summer, and Kevin and I, as the elders of
this podcast, we just got done with our what would
have been fifth grade year. Great year for me, by
the way, missus O'Neill was the last fifth grade class
at Fisher Elementary before they moved the fifth grade into
(15:59):
a inner media building with sixth graders the following year.
And I still played baseball at this time. Now, this
story actually involves more than just one occupant of the
Benton House, because this story involves John Whiz as well.
John Whiz a resident of the Des Moines area. And
(16:21):
in summer in Iowa, kids play baseball, and it's time
for AAU baseball. I'm the catcher on our team Marshalltown.
We had a solid squad. Okay, we had a really
solid group of guys. I could name them down. The
list doesn't matter, not contextual to the story. But they
were good. They were good dudes. We could hit the ball.
We had a couple good pitchers for a out of
(16:42):
the area des Moines team. We could play right, we
could play with a Johnston or a Valley. Anybody who's
central to Des Moines or Iowa knows the des Moines schools,
They're probably going to be able to beat Mason City,
beat Fort Dodge, beat Marshalltown. That's how it goes. In
sixth grade, there were two state tournaments for AU baseball teams.
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School there's school teams and then there was what was
just called the AAU State Tournament. We played in both
and we absolutely dominated. In the sixth grade school team
state tournament. Marshalltown Bobcats two thousand and six School Tournament
champions I had a two home run game in the championship.
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That doesn't matter. What does is then a couple of
weeks later, we played in the AAU State Championship. Now
this is same exact team. We're a team of nine
I think ten Marshalltown kids and one kid from East Marshall,
which is A two A school Kevin, and he was fast,
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he hit like ninth whatever. We're basically a full Marshalltown team.
We entered the AU State tournament and we could play
with a bunch of the select schools around the area.
Right in Iowa team they go around, they pick the
best guys from each school. Let's go get the most
highly developed sixth graders out there. And we made it
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run to the AAU State Championship as just your little
old Marshalltown kids and we met ourselves. The opponent named
the Iowa Cubs in the championship afiliates just like the
Triple A affiliate. And you want to know why they
were called the Iowa Cubs is because one of the
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kids on the team and the financial backer of the
team was a part of the Iowa Cubs, the real
Iowa Cubs staff. These kids were from all around the
Des Moines area valley Johnston Dowling John Wiz was one
of them, and they were the best of the best.
A select, a select team, true select team, and we
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could compete with damn near anyone, even the select schools
that we would go up against. But when we got
onto the diamond with the Iowa Cubs, Kevin Ingrant. We
didn't stand a fucking chance. There was nothing that was
gonna happen that day in the sixth grade AU State
Tournament that was gonna make the Marshalltown Bobcats win that game.
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John Whiz was on the mound. And in sixth grade,
this man John Whiz, through seventy seven miles an hour.
I swear to God, I think he was actually clocked
into like the load to mid seventies and sixth grade.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
It's a great name for a baseball pitcher.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
Well, this last team was Wiznisky, but they called him
John Whiz. They had a lefty, Brock Everett went to valley.
When he threw the ball, you could hear it burn
through the air. At least this is how my memory
is of when I was in sixth grade.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
There were flames coming off of the baseball.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
In seven innings against the Iowa Cubs. We made contact
with the ball. We made contact with the ball twice.
I foul ticked it once and our worst player got
a single on them in like some random inning. It
didn't matter. No one else could do a single thing.
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Speaker 1 (20:59):
It was the most embarrassing baseball game that we've ever played.
We got absolutely dominated. We had zero chance and I
tell you guys the story. I set the table here
with this because it kind of felt like I got
a little bit of a flashback. There was a little
nostalgia when I watched this Ohio State game and what
really did it for me? And I didn't know this
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going in to this weekend, but when the announcer said
that they spent over twenty million dollars on this roster, well,
that Iowa plus twenty pick that I had on Awards
Winners started to feel a lot worse. I actually thought,
I don't like that pick anymore. I don't like it
at all because I know that Iowa didn't spend twenty million.
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I don't think we spent two million. And this is
an alt This is sort of an adjacent discussion to
competing with the top teams in the Big Ten, competing
with an Ohio State or nationally with a Georgia or
an Alabama. Uh. But this is the sort of feeling
that I got watching this weekend when I watched their
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freshman receiver just totally sun to Shaun Lee. I believe
it was and one hand a touchdown after having like
a forty or fifty yard catch on the play before
I thought, I don't know if this is fair, And
I go back and forth because part of me thinks,
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if we hit the field goal in the first half,
which is one of several mistakes that you cannot make
against the top five team if you're going to stay
anywhere close, and or Caid finds weechen on that weird
sort of broken play and like something crazy happens, which
it easily could have, and he scores on that we're
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somehow up ten seven and a half, which is exactly
where you won them. You couldn't ask for anything better.
So I'm not saying you can't beat these teams. I'm
not saying that the money that teams are able to
spend nowadays absolutely closes the door to ever competing with
a top five team. But I am starting to reconsider,
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at least within my own head, what the expectations should be,
at least in the current state of nil, because that
roster and the eleven guys that we had against them,
even even with our great defense, we are vastly outmatched.
Just it is not even close in some areas. And
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and that was shown the other day. And I hope
you guys like that story. I hope you guys liked,
uh the little baseball references there, we were we probably
could have competed with the White Sox back in sixth grade.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
Was that necessary get a White Sox fan on this show?
Speaker 3 (23:49):
It's valid, val, But I don't know.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
How did you guys feel about the game? What feeling
did you leave that game with? Did it take you
back to sixth grade? No?
Speaker 3 (24:00):
Okay, then did not go back to sixth grade?
Speaker 2 (24:06):
No?
Speaker 1 (24:06):
It felt a lot like.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
The trend we've been seeing against a lot of these
top rated oponents we've played in the last few years,
Like we stick around for a little bit, defenses more
or less doing their job, and then eventually we just
can't keep up with them in the race anymore. Yeah,
we have to drop back. You know, I didn't watch
it in real time. I recorded it and I kind
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of breezed through it later in the day.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
Oh good for you, that's yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
I didn't check my phone, didn't check text messages, didn't
check score, so I had no idea what was happening.
But I don't know, it's hard to get a feel
for the game when you're kind of breezing through it, Like, yeah,
you know, play happens fast forward twenty seconds. Play happens,
fast forward twenty second. You don't what to get as
good as a feel for the game. Sometimes you just outmatched.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
Yeah yeah, I put up one tweet, one like original
tweet during the game. I had a lot of responses,
had a lot I had time as they say, uh so,
I had a lot of like fun conversation responses to
a lot of the responses that I got. But my
tweet was to the time out that they took before
the fake punt that actually ended up working. We'll get
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to that in a second. And somebody, you know, we
had a This was actually one of the cordial like
back and forth where someone was like, yeah, I understand
your point, and the last thing he said was just
like man, it just felt like really demoralizing that we
couldn't do anything against this team, and I was my
only response was sometimes, maybe more often than not, it's
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gonna be demoralizing when you play a top five team
that spent twenty million dollars on their roster, Like that's sorry,
but that's just sort of the plate we were served
this weekend. Like there's no way to just not totally,
you know, block yourself from the possibility that that is
what happens. And as a former player, and I know
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Drake used to talk about this and Kevin you've you've
talked about it before as well. You're never throwing in
the you know, the towel, You're never waving the white flag.
You're not going into a game thinking, oh, we're screwed here,
there's no way we can win this thing. But it
is what it is. You're sitting there in the fourth quarter,
and especially as a fan who's a little bit more
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detached from the actual game, you're sitting there going, well,
we didn't have a chance. There's there's nothing we could
have done here. And that's not totally true, but man,
that thing got away in the third quarter fast. And
you watch how an explosive team, an explosive team who
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can pretty much move the ball at will on you know,
I was still one of the best defensive in the
country come out of this weekend. That doesn't change things, right,
We had two great turnovers that Castro and Higgins created with,
had a lot of good stuff happened in that game
defensively before we didn't, but I mean, things happened fast,
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and that actually takes me to another point as far
as philosophy against playing these teams where a lot of
people and we'll get there in a second. I don't
want to just completely run back through this whole game
because a lot of people don't they tune into these
things and they're like, I don't want to rehash getting
beat thirty five zero, you know, drive by drive. I
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do want to start by saying keV that you know,
we talked about three things the other day and those
three things were turnovers. I can't even remember the other
two things at this point. What were the other things?
We talked about? Turnovers, penalties and our best players playing
our best and I think we said, like we had
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to win the turnover battle by at least two, probably three.
We lost it by one, and it was costly. Costly
that is, I mean, turnovers are a very very big factor.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
Two touchdowns off turnovers or three, at least two. I
think they got at least two.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
They had the one that Caid fumbled the first play
of a drive on our like fifteen or twenty, and
that was one of them. And then the pick that
got tipped that was going to Reese where I think
if it doesn't get tipped it's actually a pass interference.
Maybe because that guy through Reese by him, it did
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get tipped at the line.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
He picks that fell down.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
Well, yeah, that that could be the case too. I
don't know that guy took it back, like, I don't
know to our thirty or twenty. I'm pretty sure they
scored immediately after that, so that's at least two. And
then there was another fumble where Caid tried to I
don't even remember what the other turnover was. To be honest,
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it was nice because we were getting our asses beat
so bad. Kind of by the end of the third
quarter there that I was on my way to a
late a week about a week late birthday dinner with
the wife. Went to a new restaurant here in Des Moines,
and I was like, cool, I can just put my
phone away because there's nothing there's nothing more for me here.
And then we walk into the restaurant and of course
what do they have on the TV? sEH iwall I
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stake came so I could not escape it. I watched
without sound sort of sparingly. The fourth quarter, tough one.
You don't win the turnover battle. Great pick by Castro,
great effort play by Higgins on the fumble that he
punched out, phenomenal play, unbelievable play.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
That's a first round or play right there.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
Especially when you give up the tackle on the play previous.
He was pissed probably, and then he went and redeemed
himself and the Castro play is just a good play.
And he made a couple other nice tackles in the
game as well. But I just I'm not even here
for anybody listening tonight to give you answers because I
don't have them.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
I mean, is there anything systemic about the turnover issue
like us turning the ball over three times?
Speaker 1 (30:22):
Or like, I don't know, because like going back systemic?
Speaker 4 (30:27):
Are you?
Speaker 1 (30:28):
Are you talking about the picture at large here?
Speaker 3 (30:30):
Yeah, Like is there a pattern of us turned the
ball over that? Or is there a you know.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Against the rank teams? You mean, yeah, I guess I
don't know. I'd have to go back and look. I
it's uh. I can see you kind of grasping it,
like you're trying to figure out why we haven't been
able to compete. You're you're asking the same question. You're
posing the same question to yourself that every fan is
posing on on social media in a different way. You're
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at least asking questions. They're just so.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
I mean, I go back to the Minnesota game, we
win turnover better to nothing, Iowa State we lose two
to one, you know, the other two games whatever. I'm
just trying to think, like, where do we get to
a spot where we compete with these teams that were.
Speaker 6 (31:17):
Not Yeah, here's what I think, Like so Uber dependent
on winning turnover battles, Like, yeah, it's a huge stat
but at the same time that he can't live and
die by it, because no, you the time you win
turnover battles, it's that the other team made a mistake
that you're just there to capitalize on.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
Right.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
Sometimes you know, the good teams don't make mistakes, right,
Like Jay Higgins forced a turnover. Yeah, Will Howard made
an indivisable pass that Sebastian Casher made a playoff, So
the I.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
Uh, I think that. And there's a lot of and
I'm not saying that I didn't expect this or this
surprises me, but it is amazing how quick things turn
when emotion and I don't know, maybe alcohol or whatever
and and social media mix. Right, everybody knew last week
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like at this time last week Monday, We're going into
Ohio State week. Y'all listen to all the podcasts, right, yeah,
you know what they were ranked and what we were ranked.
All the hype, right the spread said three touchdown, Like
we we knew that this was I mean exactly. It's like,
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and then it happens that surprised by it, right, That's
what I'm saying, And then it happens, And when it's
when it's actually happening in real time, people still melt
down like they expected something different.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
Well, I mean, you always expect your team to compete
and play well, right, I mean, and I think we
did that for you, man. I mean, speaking as a
White Sox fan, it's pretty miserable when you expect your
team to lose lou Is going into every single game.
I guess football is a little different though at the
same time, Well.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
But I would argue that we did compete for the
first half of We did.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
We totally did. Yes, guys are playing hard. Maybe it's
just that when we see that, it's always like you
see where you can win those games, right, you always
see like, oh, we did this, we did that, we
did this, we were in that game or something like that,
or you know, like we've had those experiences like twenty sixteen,
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beating Michigan, twenty seventeen, beting in Ohio State, you know,
beating Penn State in eight and nine. Like, you know,
Hawkeye fans have memories of those games of beating those
top five opponents, right, and they take a lot and
even even when we haven't won those games, we've been
pretty competitive until like the last.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
Three years, three and twenty four. Yeah, so here's my
theory on this, and it's not real. It's not like
a real clean cut theory. And I already babble and
explain shit poorly anyway, So just hang in there on
this with me. But I think a large part of
our algorithm to either coming up with upsets in those
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games or at least playing close. I'm trying to think
of a game where we didn't win, but we played
close with like a top well. I mean Ohio State
twenty thirteen, you know, I think we lost by ten.
It's like thirty one.
Speaker 3 (34:28):
We were winning at halftime. I mean that was a
very talented Ohio State team.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
I think it was. I think it was fourteen ten
at half, and we lost thirty thirty one, twenty.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
One, right, like something along those lines.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
We were not and I think the spread was probably
similar that day, right, but we over we over delivered
on what people thought, like we kept that thing a game,
we were up at half. How do we at least
get back to there? And I think the thing about
it is our offense, which and this is this goes
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to show how truly bad the offense was the last
two years. Because while it has improved drastically, and even
yesterday you see a few drives there, a few plays.
We even had a couple like fifteen twenty yard passes
down the middle of Lache one to Gill. You're like,
oh my god, we have not seen any of this
(35:19):
in two years. Like I like what Lester's doing. I
think everybody should like what Lester's doing. Right now, it
is still not good enough to where when you're playing
a top five team, like we're talking top five caliber,
and when you go back to look at the teams
that we've lost to, we got absolutely shell shocked by
this Ohio State outfit in twenty two. Yep, it was
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in the shoe.
Speaker 3 (35:45):
They we scored, the Joans, set up stripsack fumble and
then it was like fifty two straight points for Ohio State.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
That team lost to Michigan in the Big Ten Championship,
but was a CFP team the year prior to that
in the Big Ten champ being Chip that you and
I attended, Kevin, that was a Michigan team that I
believe was a CFP team.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
They were twenty one.
Speaker 6 (36:08):
Yeah, so we're talking, we're talking those two teams.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
Yeah, those two teams are top four teams in the
in the entire country at the end of the year,
right after a whole season approving it. And then what
was the other one, Penn State. Penn State last year
was not at the top, top caliber, and that one
was really unfortunate. But again, I don't want to get
too nuanced here, but if you go look at that,
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we lose Caid Deacon comes in like we're so depleted offensively,
We're in such a bad spot that the defense is there,
the offense was so so, so, so bad that there
was just nothing to punch back with. In the past,
we've had at least a sixtieth seventieth eightieth ranked offense
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to punch back with, and that is just barely enough
to when it's close, you can sort of punch a
little bit above your weight and make the other team tight.
We don't have enough. We don't have enough for other
teams to really play tight. They're just it. It's so depleted.
And so I think that's the answer, is just like, yeah,
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our offense has just been so abnormally bad, even though
Iowa hasn't been an offensive juggernaut over the path, you know,
going back to our time, like I think we were
still ranked in the fifties in twenty fifteen or something
like that, like we had enough.
Speaker 3 (37:32):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 (37:33):
I mean great defense and okay, offense CJ.
Speaker 3 (37:37):
Nate Stanley don't get near enough credit as they got
during their time.
Speaker 1 (37:42):
No, I think people are appreciating them more and more
every day. Yeah, and we just have not had enough
because as great as our defense can be, and you
basically saw what that looks like yesterday or Saturday, as
you listen to this on Monday or during the week sometime,
like when you have a great defense, you can hang
in there, you can, you know, like we they scored
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on us first drive unbelievable like sixteen play drive, but hey,
it takes off a ton of clock. You're getting You're
getting into a spot where if you can go just
back and forth with them a little bit, if we
kick a field goal, if we make that field goal,
which is one of the mistakes that we talked about,
you cannot you cannot miss that field goal. You cannot
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blunder that that fake punt situation that we did. You
cannot do the turnovers. You can't make those turnovers in
this kind of game. There's just no margin Forreyer for
those things. If we have any any sort of offense,
that's when you know, Akrom can scare Michigan a little bit, right,
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he can do some things that like, oh god, they
actually have to, But we just don't have that right now.
We're year one of an offensive coordinator. People are calling
for Kirk's head and they're like, why can't we beat
the They're not even following their own logic that they
been using to complain the last couple of years. They're like,
why can't we beat the good teams? It's like, Okay,
well it's probably the offense. Yeah, we gave up thirty
(39:06):
five points. But if we have any sort of offense
to help fight back in this game, it doesn't get
to that disparity. Yeah, okay, So then we look at
the offense, Well, you're in year one of an OC. Okay,
so was it the OC? Maybe like Brian proved to
be not a great offensive coordinator, we we finally moved
on from him, that could be the answer. And we
just happened to play Ohio State this year, who's potentially
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the CFP best best team. So that doesn't make you
feel any better. None of that, none of that is
like a moral victory. But and I know no one
wants to hear, well you have to wait longer. But
like here in year one of a of an offensive
coordinator change and a guy who's also now the quarterbacks coach,
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so he's got a lot of he's got a lot
of hands on the puppets of this offense now, and
we might just have to wait, you know, to be
able to play with the big boys, because if you
look at the offense, it is different, it's better, and
we're doing things better.
Speaker 3 (40:04):
But we've also talked about, you know how we've been
a young, inexperience undeveloped from a player standpoint. Sure a
couple of years, we finally have a veteran offensive line
you know we have helps. Yeah, exactly, we have a
running back who is playing well above what we expected
(40:28):
prior to the year. Yeah, you can't promise that those
things are gonna be.
Speaker 1 (40:33):
Back next year. No, And I think a lot of
people actually think that they won't be back next year.
I think a lot of people are very worried looking
at next year, which I think is pointless. Like we
worry about this year and you let you let the
team and the staff like reload the gun, and we'll
worry about that when it comes.
Speaker 3 (40:48):
But no, I mean, you're not wrong. But at the
same time.
Speaker 1 (40:53):
You're saying in the context of hey, we need to
wait another year for this offense.
Speaker 3 (40:57):
Exactly, it's not It's not like, oh, you're in the
year three of a rebuild.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
Is like next year is our year man, Yeah, yeah,
we're Scott frost Ara Now, Yeah, I get it. I
get it. And that's you know, that is the reality
is with this whole COVID thing, and we've got all
these six years and we happen to bring Tim Lester
in at this specific time. Yeah, year two might not
be as big of a step as we'd like. After
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after a full year in the program, because of how
much we lose personnel wise, who knows.
Speaker 3 (41:31):
So I mean, I don't have answers for you. Also,
I didn't watch the game all that closely, like I said,
but one of the things that sticks out to me
is that we went fifteen of twenty one throwing the ball,
which is a good percentage, not badly. One hundred and
ten yards right, five point two yards per pass is bad.
Speaker 1 (41:54):
And this is a this is a pattern. And I
actually here's where maybe the fans just cream their pants
when they hear this, and like, and I have nothing
against Cad. I actually like I think it's completion percentage
is like almost sixty five percent right now. On the ear,
I think percentage wise, Cad has been like pretty good
(42:14):
pretty much what we would ask for. The issue is, well,
one the issue is if he's going to turn it
over like he did on Saturday. No, it can't have that, buddy,
you can't do that. But even without those turnovers, it's
really hard to like have a complete offense if you're
averaging five yards.
Speaker 3 (42:32):
A pass per attempt.
Speaker 1 (42:35):
Yeah, per attempt, that's not even per completion.
Speaker 3 (42:37):
I mean, this is where it takes me in my mind,
is that we are not a good enough offense nor
consistent enough offense to consistently drive down the field. Yeah, yeah,
we need some shot plays.
Speaker 1 (42:50):
You got to have some gotta have shot plays. And
if you don't have and here's where you start. And
this is where I'm going with this. Why I said
that the fans might get happy is because I actually
at this point, I know this is easier said than done,
because I think we paid Kate a lot of money.
I actually think, like what it why not just put
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Sullivan in? I don't know if there's a whole lot
of to use the pun the joker from from Brian.
What's the downside? Like we've seen him a couple of
times on the goal line. He came in for the
last ten minutes of that game, had a nice little
scramble shovel pass shovel pass to uh A Stranga in
the one game.
Speaker 3 (43:33):
I get that. But at the same time, kind of
what you're going along with with your story, Like you
the Marshalltown Bobcats were going to completely reorganize their team
based off that one out against the Iowa Cubs. No,
you know, this is still a team that as we
look at the rest of the schedule, can beat everyone
else on the schedule. Oh yeah, favorite versus Washington this week.
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You know, we go to Michigan State, Like, oh, I
have what we played in the first five games of
you know, the style play and how well we played
can easily not easily, but it can win the next
six to seven games.
Speaker 1 (44:11):
Yeah, And you're basically saying what I what nobody wants
to hear keV. But you're what you're saying is like is.
Speaker 3 (44:17):
Say, hey, we played good enough to win ten out
of twelve games, but our style play is never going
to beat.
Speaker 1 (44:25):
You just have to be okay with not beating a
top the top five teams because you're just not good enough.
And people don't like hearing that. They want to be
able to at least compete in those games, and I
do too. But this takes me back to what I
originally said with the money thing is I think with
how in Io's currently and again, you have to go
out and play it. It's not like anybody stepped up
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on Saturday and said, well WHOA actually hold on a second.
Turns out, Ohio State, they spent twenty million this offseason. Iowa,
you spent two million. We're going to put four points
on the board for Iowa. Make this fair. This is
all about equality or equity maybe or uh, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (45:09):
Yeah, I get that. At the same time, at what
point does the money thing be come Joe for you,
the one the team with the higher That's why the
Yankees don't win the World Series every year. It's good
enough to get him in the playoffs pretty much every year,
but they don't win the World Series every year.
Speaker 1 (45:25):
It begs the question, though, is there a point where
with the disparity of money so different And I know
it's changing, so actually I think this argument goes away technically,
I think collectives can still exists around it. Is there
is there a point where a team like Iowa Who's
never who by the way, fire Kirk, move on from Kirk,
(45:45):
whatever you want to do to Kirk. Which is so
many people online are just like, yeah, it's football's college
football is pasted Kirk ference by that's the best one, Kevin,
I fucking love college football has passed Kirk Kirk ference by. Okay,
will you find me somebody who wants to come to
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Iowa City or who is able to come to Iowa
City and sustain the type of and create and sustain
the type of program in the NIL era that is
going to consistently beat Ohio State. It's just not going
to happen.
Speaker 3 (46:23):
Like there are some in nobody consistently beats Ohio No.
Speaker 1 (46:26):
There's there's an infrastructure in place here with tradition and
years and years of how these programs have been built
where I don't know if there's a you can pull
Saban off the street, off the game day desk, and
he's not going to come in and beat Ohio State
consistently with the Iowhawkeys, like there's there are some just
some things that you're going to have to accept being
(46:47):
an Iowahawkeye fan. And that is at least for the
next few decades until something major changes college football. Ohio
State's going to be a better program than you. You're
in Europe, Michigan probably gonna be a better program than you.
They're also going to have way more money. And so
that's where the expectations things gets weird because now you're like, well,
we just want them to compete, Okay, Well yeah, now
(47:11):
there's a gray area because it's not just winning and losing,
and so I don't know it does get to the
point where it's like, I think at some point it's
hard to expect you to ever win because we played
really hard and maybe if we have an offense, we're
tied or up on that game. But Ohio State could
have still done that to us if we were up
fourteen seven and all of a sudden, it's thirty five
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to fourteen, because over the course of a game, it's
like when it's like when fucking Dowling played Marshalltown. We
could hang with them for a half, but our guys
got tired and we didn't have depth, and eventually their
athletes were fresh and better and more prepared for a
sixty minute ball game, and they just.
Speaker 3 (47:51):
I was talking to a friend about a complete different subject,
but this just popped in my head. It's like, if
you were to play Lebron James one on one one
first person scores, you might win and get the ball first.
You might win one out of twenty games if you
just you know, jump back through a wild hook shot
and it just goes in. Maybe not one out to win,
(48:11):
maybe one out of one hundred, right.
Speaker 1 (48:12):
Sure, but you got a chance.
Speaker 3 (48:14):
But you played a five, you're gonna win one in
a million, you played one hundred, you were gonna win
zero games?
Speaker 1 (48:22):
Right, Yeah, Yeah, there's time de kay.
Speaker 3 (48:25):
Yeah, eventually the numbers is kind of vert to where
they're supposed to.
Speaker 1 (48:30):
Yeah, And like it is really tough as an Iowa
a former Iowa guy, and for those listening, like Iowa
fans to just accept, Hey, there's some other factors here
that we're just we're up against we're up against the
dollar signs, we're up against the It's tough, and I'm
not saying that we're even there yet, but I think
(48:50):
it's part of it. I think it's part of it.
And maybe that's maybe that's where you can land on. Well,
college football's ruined today maybe I don't know, but twenty
million dollars on a roster.
Speaker 3 (49:05):
Yeah, and that's and then this is where you have
to play moneyball almost when you got to go find
the guys that are not being bid millions of dollars
out of high school, yeah, and fit them into your
system that can somehow scrape wins out against those programs.
Speaker 1 (49:24):
Well, I was questioning if I was going to actually
bring this up, but I got a ds.
Speaker 3 (49:29):
It's hard, it's not impossible, and obviously, we're striving to
do it. We're striving to win every game every year.
It's it's just it's hard, right.
Speaker 1 (49:37):
I was kind I was dmd by a family member
of a current starter on the Hawkeys listener of the show,
and they said, I'm not gonna reveal anything that would
ever reveal who this is, but they said something along
the lines of, hey, love the show, YadA YadA. You
and Kevin Ward know that it's already hard to compete
(50:00):
and with the current you know, they're claiming that they're
that their son. This is a parent of one of
the players was offered half a million by multiple other
schools this offseason to come and play for them and
to leave to leave Iowa and come play for him,
and they turned it down because they've been at Iowa
(50:23):
for a few years and there and I you know,
they bought in. They've established themselves in Iowa City like
all this stuff, and they turned down that money.
Speaker 3 (50:31):
But it's incredibly hard for a college kid to do.
But like, especially if you like I have no idea,
I have no idea who this is. You haven't told
me about this in private, But especially if you come
from a family that, oh, the money.
Speaker 1 (50:45):
Oh, Kevin, I'm gone impossible, I'm gone, yeah, I mean,
no one's offering long snapper.
Speaker 3 (50:51):
This is something that you can actually kind of compare to,
Like we had those wins versus top three Michigan, top
three Ohio State team. Yeah, then transfer portal wasn't nearly
what it was today and it exists. So did Ohio
State get good recruits every year? Yees? Did they miss
(51:11):
on some? Yes, they were locked in on those thirty
guys a year or whatever. Right this year, every offseason
they can go and fill the gaps in their.
Speaker 1 (51:22):
Roster and not not with guys that they're taking a
chance on, guys that.
Speaker 3 (51:26):
Are proven, guys that are proven, right exactly. Whereas you
know twenty sixteen, like, hey, we found a couple of
guys that were really under valued. We found some two star,
three star guys that are playing at second round draft level.
You know that, you know, we found we got a
three star no a fan at two star TJ. Hockinsonesh
(51:48):
that locked out the first round draft picks that could
you know, tear up an Ohio State defense back in
twenty seventeen, right the parent twenty twenty four college football
you just don't know that a mission or house state
has gaps in the roster that they can't fill with
the twenty million dollars that they're paying out, and be
(52:11):
that those two and three star guys that start playing
really good football stay at a program that can't afford
to pay them that type of money. Yeah, And the
point that's what it makes it even harder to compete
with those top programs in this ARA. And we'll see
if things change in twenty twenty five once schools start
paying the salaries.
Speaker 1 (52:30):
I hope they do, because now theoretically, you know, each
each school now has like the twenty two million that
they can pay all their programs, right, But I don't
know if it will. And it doesn't mean that the
collectives won't just double it because they still have twenty
extra million in their collective. The parent was basically getting at, hey,
you know, I was not even close like that, you know,
(52:51):
because they're money wise. Oh I'm sure money wise, because
I'm assuming if I'm a player and some SEC school
is what this parent said, can't comes and says, hey,
we'll give you five hundred K, seven hundred and fifty
k to come play, Like that's nothing for us. We'll
just that's basically that's a starter. That's a starter, and
IL for us payout twenty two of those a year
(53:13):
and that ends up being a little less than twenty million.
So there you go. There's your there's your money. If
you're a player, then you probably go to to Tyler
Barnes or the or Brad and you're like, hey, can
I is there any more? Or like I'm they're offering
me this, like I'm I kind of got like some
decisions to make here, and they're like, and from what
(53:35):
I gather from this from this person, we're not even close.
And this person said they've got a sibling of said
player who is either entering college now or did last
year or something and would have loved to come to Iowa.
But with what they're giving out, like there's middle of
the road, big twelve schools that are paying five x
(53:56):
what I was willing to and this is maybe something
good here for the fans that me and you have
tried to preach forever and a lot of people like
Iowa doesn't do it the wrong way. Basically, what this
person said, I think word for word was until Iowa
does pay for play, it's gonna be tough to compete
because all the other schools are doing it. O KA
(54:16):
runs a clean program, Like, that's not what we do here.
Speaker 3 (54:19):
I mean, then the thing is pay for play is
legal now, right, And basically I guess I guess the
rich people of other schools, the rich boosters of other schools,
care more about the success of there.
Speaker 2 (54:31):
There you're saying, Ashton Kutcherd does not care enough about
Iowa football to give us all this money, not currently,
not currently.
Speaker 3 (54:40):
He should he should come out with a new Netflix
special just to fund the how collective.
Speaker 1 (54:45):
That'd be great, That'd be great, and and that's a
lot of so you know, we're a couple of minutes
in here, we're going to close down the podcast. And
that's a lot of sort of pontification and discussion around Hey,
is is the money thing becoming a lot here? Is
that ma be a potential at least factor in why
Iowa a program that Hey, for the other ten or
(55:05):
eleven games, you can compete, You'll be fine. You can
actually win those games, and you have a great chance
of winning those games if you just play well. But
that one or two teams that you're gonna play a year.
If you're gonna play organ Ohio State, sorry, you're fucked.
There's just it's such a gap between the top and
the next that you should not expect to even you know,
(55:26):
maybe even make those close. And then I think about
everything that just happened this weekend. Vanderbilt couldn't be stopped
against Bamah, Tennessee loses to Arkansas, and I start to think,
but it's bullshit, because anybody can beat anybody, but.
Speaker 3 (55:44):
There are some yes can yes, But but over a
long enough period of time, talent wins out.
Speaker 1 (55:52):
Yeah. So, and they've got a little and I.
Speaker 3 (55:54):
Think, you know, I don't know if I said this
on the podcast, but I was definitely thinking this before
the week's, like, you know, going to this games like
Ohio State probably covers the spread on US eight times
out of ten. Oh yeah, you know, we play them
close once and we beat them once. This twenty twenty
four Hawk Eye team versus the twenty twenty four Buckeye team.
Speaker 1 (56:12):
And I would I would even maybe burn that out
to like twenty or twenty five games, and I'd say
we might we might beat them two out of twenty
five games, keep it close another two out of twenty
five games and twenty one times they they handily take
care of us or something. You know, there's there's a
spread in there, but yeah, the gap is large. The
(56:32):
gap is large.
Speaker 3 (56:34):
It is you know, Vandermilk got Alabama on one of
those ten games. Happens, happens, happens.
Speaker 1 (56:42):
It was fun to watch the goalpost go into the river.
That was cool.
Speaker 3 (56:45):
That was cool. Did you see they're gonna cut it
up and auction off?
Speaker 1 (56:48):
I would for the SEC fine, yeah, I mean this
is what I told Laura this morning as we were
as She was like, did you see what happened to
the goalpost? And I was like, oh, yeah. This is
the best part about college football is that something sobs
third as a goal post being coming down because fans
are on it and then walking it through the city
is allowed and encouraged because of how big of an
(57:11):
upset that was. It would never happen in the NFL,
because any anybody can beat anybody on any given day.
Speaker 3 (57:19):
No, I mean, three hundred and sixty four days out
of the year, you get arrested for trying to do something.
Speaker 1 (57:23):
Like yeah, you're it's a it looks like a fucking
like a riot or like a protest, but no, they're
getting paraded through the street with like a police escort
to make sure no one gets run over because those
guys are taking that goalpost to the river. Baby.
Speaker 2 (57:38):
I think it is the first time Varnerabilt beat Alabama
at Vannerbilt since like the seventies.
Speaker 1 (57:43):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying is it's so astronomically not
going to happen that when it does, there's no rules. Yeah,
that's and that's college football. Ashton Jean Ti had thirteen
carries for another one hundred and eighty six yards and
three touchdowns. This kid's gonna win the Heisman. It's fucking amazing.
Speaker 2 (57:57):
He's the most disgusting football player I've ever seen.
Speaker 1 (58:00):
And by the way, good for Caleb Johnson. Caleb who
did not play in the last ten minutes. He could
have easily had one hundred if they just played him
in like the last one or two series. I think
they didn't because we don't want to hurt the guy.
He almost got his his hundred and he had the
one touchdown the points that we got for the game,
So you know, still having a great year and he
will if eighty six yards and a touchdown is his
(58:22):
worst game this year. Likely, Hawkeye fans still have a
lot to look forward too. So thank you guys for
tuning in. We probably didn't make you feel any better
at all. All you know is that I had a
two home run game, double dinger game in the A
State Championship in two thousand and six, and it is
what it is. Your kid could hit you know, your
guy could hit the ball. Four hitter clean up. Thanks
(58:42):
for listening. Catch all the programming from the walk Ons
this week. We'll be back with you know, Grant me
and Grant on Patreon, Liam on Friday, I Cold on
Wednesday preview of the Washington game. I think Fox Big
newon kickoff is coming, so that'll be fun.
Speaker 3 (59:00):
The Hawk guys are favorite, how about that?
Speaker 1 (59:01):
And we're favored over a team that was just favored
and completed a victory over Michigan. It's just a lot
of things happening in college football. We'll talk to you
all week. We'll see you then, peace. Hey, thanks for
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