December 6, 2024 • 37 mins
We are back for another 5-10-5 with Coach Lima. Today we start with some discussion about the all time athletes that came through Iowa during our time, we touch on all of the Hate Week fireworks from the previous weekend and if the antics from players and teams is avoidable at all? To end the discussion we discuss what a 'Culture Win' means, and why a team like Nebraska continues to lose one score ball games.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
We are back with another five to ten five show.
I had a couple questions lined up for coach today
and he delivered big time. What does a culture win?
That's a buzz term being thrown around after this latest
Iowa Nebraska game? What does culture even mean? And going further,
why is Nebraska a culture that loses close football games?
We have a bunch of other fun conversation in there
(00:21):
as well. Let's have a day. Let's go. Well, we
(00:52):
took a week off, We're back on the I just
about said the Snap podcast because it was in my
mind it's a five to ten five show. Actually, I
have the wrong overlay on doing there it is.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
There we go.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
We have mister power lift himself coach justin Lima.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
What's going on y'all?
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Wearing all the gear? We're in the one of the
better Iowa Strength conditioning sweatshirts.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
We ever got. Yeah, this thing's nice.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
It's cold here, cold here, and I mean god, not warm.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
It's not warm, but the bowl game should be.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Yeah, it looks like they're going to be headed back
to our home away from home, which is Tampa. Uh.
The Iowhawke football team has residency there.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Did you did you ever pay attention as a player
to the fact that the police that would escort us
everywhere literally put a tiger Hawk on their vehicle because
like that main guy was from Iowa.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
I didn't know that the main guy was from there.
At some point I probably did overhear that or knew that,
but yeah, it felt it felt like we just brought
the entire operation down and it was just like, Okay,
here we are again. I mean we went there. I
guess we only went there.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Twice, but it was twice in like four or three years.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Yeah, we went there in my first year where we
played LSU, and then we went there in sixteen when
we played Florida. Yep, got shlacked both times.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
I mean, no, we didn't get shlacked in Oh no,
we didn't. It was twenty one fourteen. Yeah, and then
the other one, like we just couldn't convert, like George
had to drop early. Desmond had a pick. I think
Snyder had a pick in the sixteen game. Like, but
we were kicking field goals and then eventually it got ugly.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
I uh. In thirteen we were actually we played them close,
and we played Mettenberger and Jarvis Landry and obj what
and their d line was an entire NFLD line and
their running back went on to be like a four
or five year backup running really good. Yeah, we played
them very tough, uh. I think Cotton had.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
A Yeah, Cotton helped us with the return. You're right,
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Yeah, that's that's going way back in the how. But yeah,
it's funny.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
The Bowl.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
It's a great place, and they always took care of
us great. But I think they went back there in
god was it eighteen or night like right after I left,
so they had gone there like three times in six
years or seven years. It would be nice to move
around a little bit more, in my opinion, as a player,
you get your four or five years at this point
(03:25):
you might get you know, depending on how many times
you transfer and what teams you transfer to, if they
make a Bowl game or not. And if you're Caleb Johnson,
you leave hurt like you only have three years. If
you're really really good in your limited time, it'd be
nice to go to like Florida once and maybe Arizona,
and obviously getting to go to California and even the
(03:45):
cold trip out to New York, which as far as
playing a football game. Those three hours were dogshit. But
the experience going to New York City, like I would
have never I if we had not gone on that trip.
I still to this they would not have bending New
York City. So cool experience as a player. But yeah,
(04:06):
I mean it's a good spot. It was better when
it was the Outback Bowl and it was like the
Bloomin Onion versus the what is it now it's not
it's the Relia Quest Bowl. I don't even know what
Relia Quest is.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
I can't eat coconut shrimp or I can't eat a
bloomin on like I want that, you know what I mean?
Like give me that spread and that was so good.
That dinner was always so good.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
It was so good. And you know what's amazing is
they used to run out the mascots of the coconut
shrimp and the and the bloomin Onion. Those mascot costumes
are just sitting somewhere right now, like somewhere in some
building that Outback Corporate owns.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
They'll get to go see whorfs.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Though. Down in Tampa there's a coconut shrimp called Nelly.
How about Nelly? Huh? Did you see that.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
No, what do you do?
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Oh, they're in overtime versus Uh, they're an overtime versus
Josie Jewel and the Panthers.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
On he's the one that forced to funnel. I saw
something he stripped.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
He stripped it as the Panthers are driving in. He
got the game ball.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Good for him. I still remember when he came in
as a freshman, where like he's playing d line, like
he ain't big enough, but then he got obviously bigger.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
The frame was big enough.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Yes, there wasn't enough on it.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
It wasn't enough meat. No needed three or four ten
extra coconut trimp and two bloomin onions. Uh is he?
I have have topics, trust me, I have brought topics today.
But now we're on this topic. Anthony Nelson is a
name during our time. It's funny when I talk to you,
(05:41):
when we talked to you, because our time essentially is
the exact same time at IOWA, which makes it really cool.
Anthony Nelson is a name that pops up to me
in a very small list of guys that were, uh
physically gifted beyond your average Division one football player, And
I'm thinking like Josh Jackson Tristan Wurf's Anthony Nelson, and
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Anthony was a little bit of a sleeper in that
in that category because if you weren't around him all
the time, you might just think, Oh, the kid's just
really tall and lanky, Like, I don't know how athletic
he is, but he's just really tall. I mean, the
guy's now playing like a stand up linebacker edge rush
kind of position in the NFL at like six seven.
But what blew me away about him was he would
(06:28):
run skill times in the very very beginning when he
was basically skill weight. Yeah, and I it's on record
that I wasn't a very good runner. So anybody that
was better than me was like, oh my god, he's
so good at running. But he would blow people away
in those in those in those conditioning reps.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Especially in shuttles.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Oh my god, for a six to seven guy to
be able to change direction like that. And I just thought,
you know, there's a lot of these guys, you know,
Drake and go down the list bo all these guys
Division one athletes, they were all ahead of the game
at their high school. They were the guy They're built
for this, especially a few years into the program. But
Anthony Nelson is one of those that's built different among
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the built different, and his career in the NFL was
like an inevitability to me, like there's I always just
thought like, that guy's signing a contract someday, like it
was just and to me the now podcaster at thirty
years old, who was probably never gonna make millions of dollars,
It was always so crazy to think about the mindset
(07:32):
of does that guy know he's just like if he
just does things right, he's signing on the dotted line
for millions of dollars. That was all Tristan all the
same thing. And Josh Jackson's career hasn't panned out like
Tristan's has, although no one's really has. But those all
those guys that made it to the league, Like, are
there any other names that pop up in your mind
(07:53):
when you when you think about maybe that kind of athlete.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
When you first said it, the name, I instantly thought of,
uh Kirksey because he was one. Looking back at what
he did and when I was there in twelve seeing
what he did on the field in that outback Bowl,
I think he had two, maybe three sacks against a
very good LSU team, and then I personally worked with
him getting him ready for the combine. Here's a fun
little story for you. You know how US strength and conditioning
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coaches were always in charge of a different position group
during skills and drills. I had the linebackers, and so
that linebacking group in twenty thirteen that were seniors. It
was the first time in a very long time that
we had linebackers going to the draft. So I needed
to research what combine drills they'd be doing to help
them prepare for the combine. So I spent a lot
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of time with Kirksey, James and Hitch getting them ready
with those drills. But then Kirksey had a class conflict
on the days that we were doing the five PO
ten five or the l So, like I just got
to see a lot of individual work with him. So
like that name comes to mind, obviously, George, Like everybody
was shocked when George did what George did, but we
(09:01):
were so used to seeing it. Yeah, Epanessa, the guy,
one of the guys that the Bills called me to
ask me about AJ once they had drafted him, because
he knew that I worked with him. I mean, and
even like a guy like Benneman who was you know,
tall and lanky and didn't kind of fit the mold,
but played right away as a freshman and had the
(09:22):
height and you know when you would look at his numbers,
what is you know, hanging power clean would be or
his ten yard dash would be like a strong kid
that was a smart kid that played as a true freshman.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
George, Yeah, George is a funny for those who knew
George before now George, it's funny that people are like, yeah,
this fifth round pick came out of nowhere, out of Iowa,
didn't really do much, like and then everybody on the
inside is like, kid is like a freak.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Yeah, Like I can show you all of his Hawkeye
Championship where it's like George's top three probably not number three,
based off of like he'll win everywhere everything, and like
that's another thing that I had to really figure out
because y'all made it difficult on me with the Hawkeye
Challenge where we had to wait it where like say
(10:11):
there was like a bunch of semis, not a lot
of linemen one year, Well it couldn't be like, ah,
if you beat sixty semis, you get sixty points for
first place, and the lineman only beats thirty guys, so
there's only thirty So I had to like wait it. Yeah,
where the first first place would always get you know,
sixty points and then the last person would always get zero,
but then like second and third was waited. But either way,
(10:32):
George was cleaning up because he was always winning it.
Like so we just knew that he was physically blessed. Yeah,
the world just didn't get to see it, you know
what I mean.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
It didn't. It didn't turn into production in college like
it has in the NFL for sure. That's God. I
could get so nerdy about the scoring system of the
of the Hawkeye Championship, Like you almost have to come
up with like a peace score that's like based off
of the middle instead of the total participants. Like here's
(11:03):
your deviation away from the average score, and here's how
much points they get. They do something like that and
CrossFit competition sometimes anyway, Yeah, George is crazy. You want
to see somebody drag a sled or push a sled
a fan?
Speaker 2 (11:20):
You talked about that with fans.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
I mean, like Noah's top of the list.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Noah and Hawkinson were very impressive too, and I remember,
like just any young kid, they both I think there
were roommates. They both overslept and they were late to
one of their first skills and drills and I'm in
They're like I had to be the coach to get
them ready to go outside. And but like Noah just
physically blessed TJ never dropping a ball as a freshman,
(11:45):
like you want again, like that's something that I won't forget.
And another name that doesn't probably won't stand out, but
like Torn young with how well he would run the
ball with a ball in his hand. He looked he
was a better athlete with a ball in his hand
than without.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I agree with that. And that's weird
because sometimes when he ran without it, he almost looked clunky.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Correct, and then he had a ball in his hand.
You're like, oh, word, that's violent.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
And he just felt there's some people who get the
ball in their hands on offense and football and they
can just feel a defense they cannot like they almost
have like this like sixth sense of the flow of
eleven guys and where people are going.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Same thing with Sean Welsh, like you ask Sean to
go and just do a straight linear run. But like
Sean be alignment and block. I mean obviously Sheriff too.
Like Sheriff in terms of just like pure athleticism, what
that three hundred and twenty three pound guy would do.
I'm I'm backspotting him on he's doing his squats with
six plates. But then at the same time he's you know,
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running as fast as he does. Like that's just it's unhuman.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
What he would not unleashed that athleticism this weekend when.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Jeff and I Wood, you and I were talking about
that yesterday at Goldfins, it was like Brad when he
gets mad, because like Sheriff, don't get mad. He does.
He's super laid.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
He took his helmet off.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
Brox or ikes sweet that.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
dB did not understand what he was signing up for.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
He really did.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
Really that was going to turn into a lot of
bark and no bite if Sheriff got hands on that guy.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
Funny Sheriff story real quick before we get to your question.
So in fourteen, when he had his little procedure done, yeah,
I'm doing the return to play the next day.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
It was still one of the craziest things I've ever seen.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
Get surgery Wednesday, Monday, Tuesday, We're doing his return to
play on the field. Okay, I played o line. I understand,
you know, hold the pad, be a three technique or
whatever he needed me to be. And so Doyle was like,
all right, we're doing tight rite cool. He's like, hey,
let's go fifty percent, you know, talking to Sheriff, like
let's just get back into this. I'm thinking this Sheriff
(13:51):
the Golden Goose, like this guy like already talking about
Outland Trophy, like he decided to come back, but don't
don't be a jackwagon. Justin and slam into this kid.
I'm going maybe twenty five percent. He comes off the
line and I'm Fred Flintstone feet kicking in the air
like no joke, I was off the ground.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
I might have seen this actually, And I.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Looked at Doyle and we both looked at each other
like he's good. Like he went through the rest of
the day. But it was like there was after that.
It was that was Fred Fronstone feet. And I mean
I'm not I was two sixty five. It's not like
I was. I was no, you know what I mean,
but like I put a little bit of wait into
it and he's just like, thanks for playing bro.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
Yeah, twenty four hours out of surgery. I had had
a knee scope done in high school going into my
like right after my senior year into senior year basketball season,
so I knew what that was like, and all right,
I knew about what a scope felt like and how
my knee felt after that. And we go into that
(14:50):
freshman season and he gets that done or fourteen whenever
that happened, and I here like two or three days later,
maybe it was Fast Friday, where he like shows up
and he's full, like basically full participant Fast Friday, four
days after surgery, and I'm like, and part of me questions, like,
was he is he just that tough and built again,
(15:13):
built different where it's like he's able to come back,
and it was just me and him are different humans.
We're just we're just different wavelength there or is there
some some bit of like naivete that he doesn't understand
that you probably shouldn't come back that soon. And he
(15:35):
feels a little bit of the stiffness, a little bit
of the soreness, but he's just like they fixed it.
I'm good, you know, Like I was blown away that
he went and played as a lineman a full game
six days after he I mean.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
Apparently that guy was pretty good too. What he said?
What he's like? That fourteen team was bad? He goes,
but he what he knew the name of the d
N I completely forget his name. Now, he's like he
was at actually a good d end. He goes. The
team was bad, but that kid was good.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Yeah, I don't know. How is your Thanksgiving weekend? We'll
get off the reminiscing.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
It's fantastic, man, a whole lot enough, and we played
some football outside. We watched the football. It was great.
A lot of turkey, A lot of turkey.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
What's the flight look like for Coach.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
Lima turkey dressing or stuffing, whatever you call it, mashed potatoes,
gravy on top of it all, and uh what you
will call it? You need the cranberry sauce. And if
you don't have the cranberry sauce it's canned, you're doing
it wrong. I need to see the lines on the
cranberry sauce.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
That can shaped. Yes, yeah, uh, I've never had stuffing before,
never eaten it, really, yeah, I just never the conglomerate
of that as a kid never really appealed to me,
and I've just like at this point, I'm like, I'm
good with the potatoes, corn, turkey. Yeah, maybe some mac
and cheese, you know whatever. Getting good Black Friday deals,
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any Strength Coach Black Friday deals that are out there.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
No, but I got all my families Christmas shopping done.
There you go, so like that's really what I did.
I got, uh, got some new sheets for the bed
because if you're not sleeping properly, you're not recovered. True,
But like, no, I did the Christmas shopping for my
family so that way I can just chill now till Christmas.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
How's your shopping discipline? You see the ads come up
on Instagram or or wherever you're scrolling, You're like, oh shit,
there's another thing I need.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
No, I don't go on social media unless I need
to do it for work, Like outside of posting for
Strength Coach Network to let people know about our deals.
I really I have no interest in social media other
than connecting with coaches, you know what I mean? Like,
I just use it as another way of texting.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
I Uh. I was always in high school, middle school,
high school, I was really big into Rubik's cubes every year.
I remember this every year at media day.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Someone minute to Win It too, right, Yeah, I did.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
That for the team in the off season. Everybody would
like bring a cube and they'd be like, uh, we
got nothing to talk about with Clover, can we just
give him a rub excube. That'll be the story, you know.
So technology has advanced a long ways in the ten
years that I've kind of stopped rub excubing and I
got back into it. Dude and dude, the I'm just
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sitting here playing.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
With they look harder now.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Oh no, there's they're so oh this one's bigger. Okay, yeah,
I was like, it's bigger, here's your here's your standard. Oh,
just listen to it. So good, it's so smooky.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
Speaking of minute to win it and out that goals,
Do you remember when coach Ferrets pulled out the jackhammer
dance in the middle one of the greatest things ever.
That was one of the greatest things.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
I have no words. I have no word that was.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
I had no words. That was like one of the
first times that like everybody got to see, yeah, a
different side of him.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
Yeah, I died.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
That was amazing, unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
Unbelievable. Before we get to the I would Ebraska stuff
specifically what we talked about it right before we hit record.
What do you think about all the hate week stuff,
Ohio State, Michigan, plant and the.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
Flag, can't stand it. I love what Steve Sarkisian did.
I did see that this morning when I was in
the middle of talking with some other coaches. I saw
that sark like got his team off the logo. Loved
to see that, And I see it multiple ways, like Michigan, okay, cool,
you won the game, like you're gonna, you know, claim
it as your own. I get that a little bit.
(19:32):
I get the Ohio State thing because it's like, listen, Michigan,
you can only go so far before they're going to
do something about it. But I also see the whole
thing of like, if you don't like it, don't let
them do it. So it's like I see both sides,
but it's like, you know, learn to win, learn to lose.
Just I don't know. I don't really think you need
to do it, like in my opinion.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
But is there a way to avoid that stuff when
you have eighteen to twenty two year old kids in
emotional victories?
Speaker 2 (19:58):
Like that adults adults being adults, like Sarcasian, that's how
you do it. You let the adults be the adult.
You and I have talked about this before. They are kids, right,
like the even the Nebraska thing with the not shaking hands.
Like my father in law sent me a picture. He's like,
if you actually look in the middle, he goes, you
might sense let me see here, he said, it looks
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like this kid right here in the middle, number eight.
He's like, it looks like he's kind of reluctant, like
maybe the coaches did tell like I don't know, And
that's where it's like, you need the adults to adult.
And like for Matt Rule, if he really said, who
are you too, Like, dude, shut up, you know who,
Jay Higgins, you're a shot up, you're a child like
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and you're supposed to be like you're supposed to be
impacting young kids who their life is already hard enough. Sure,
yeah they're making money, but let's stop acting like their
life isn't hard enough. And now they have some jackwagon
adult telling them to do that, like, no adults have
to adult.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
I think it's uh, I don't think it's any The
urge or the initial like, oh, we're gonna do like
we're gonna We're gonna ride this emotion because we've been there.
Win wins are huge, right, Yeah, you are riding the
wave of emotion when you win, and you could even
see it a little bit. We talked about it on
the recap episode with Jay Higgins and Nick Jackson in
(21:17):
their postgame interview, how they're just like smiling. They kind
of opened up a little bit more than they normally
would talk about the interactions with Nebraska throughout that game,
and especially when you get kids who are undisciplined or
more on the undisciplined side, and they've never been told
this is wrong or you shouldn't do this, this is disrespectful.
(21:39):
Who knows what their upbringing was or where they come from,
what they value, and now all of a sudden, you're like,
we just beat our rival. Fuck it, we're planting a flag.
We're gonna stomp on their logo like they're riding. They're eighteen.
They're so stupid. Kids are so stupid.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
They don't have the literal they don't have the emotional capacity,
they don't have the brain chemistry to handle it. Adults
have to adult and the saddest part is I don't
even think they realized that. Like, you know, what's even
worse than like getting beat and humiliated is when the
other team is actually kind to you, Like when I, dude,
if I go and roll and if somebody just smashes
(22:18):
me like yesterday, this dude, David just oh my god,
Like these three rounds, I'm just getting tour Like at
the end, we're just like, handshit, it's this. He's not
even like like or like, hey man, you should do
this a little bit different. As you're like trying to
choke somebody, you're like, gosh, darn it. Like so like
that Barry Sanders, you think about Barry Sanders, Larry Fitzgerald, Like, dude,
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just win the game and then celebrate, Like even when
we did the U when we swarmed for the trophy.
We didn't we swarmed for the trophy and then celebrated
by ourselves. Like you're playing a if if the team
that you're playing is so good that you're gonna plant
the flag, like you're not gonna be that good without
the opponent, which is something that in Europe and in
(22:59):
sat I really like what they do. They'll drink beers
together after the game because it's like, hey, I had
to beat you as an opponent in this game. Therefore
I had to train to be good to beat you
in the game. If it wasn't for you, I wouldn't
have been as good at my sport. Thank you for
making me better, and like that type of mindset just need.
Like American football, especially college football, is just so asked
(23:21):
backwards with the you know, the pacifier whistle, Like why
does the strength coach have a whistle on the sideline
in a game? Tyler? Please tell me, hype man, you
can't blow a whistle. The referee is the only person
that's allowed to blow a whistle, Like you are what
are you doing? You can't like, Okay, maybe you're gonna
warm them up after halftime. Put the whistle in your pocket.
(23:44):
You look like a dude. It's just what's that movie?
It's a MASSR bring your broom, it's a mass.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
I thought it was one of the more firework flair
hate weeks that I can remember. I don't all, I'm
not super keyed in, and I don't you know, it's
not like this weekend comes around every year and I'm like, hey,
how many fights. Did we get into it just my
proximity on social and watching the broadcast, it seemed like
there was a fight at damn near every stadium. It's
(24:14):
like people are getting chippy.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Arizona, Like Arizona really brought like you might want to
take that one, though, y'all lost fifty eighth to nothing, Like.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
That's a tough one. Supposed to be a rival, you know,
cross state. That's like Iowai Iwa State, you know, not
nearly as heated of a football rivalry Ashio where I
was state is. But yeah, they took their their trident,
but the trident right in the middle of like.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
And for what it's worth, I don't think we did
talk about this, but Nebraska was always my most hated
rival of our four person was it, Oh my gosh, yeah,
because they were just delusional, right, like they had been
delusional for so long, and it's like I it was
it was Nebraska, Minnesota, I would say, it was state,
then Wisconsin I.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
Would say most hated. I'll give them most hated because
I'm not really one to hate anything personally just within myself.
So if there was one I disliked the most, it
was certainly Nebraska. The biggest, the one I wanted to
win the most was always Wisconsin. For me, it always felt.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Like, I will agree with you on both of those.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
It felt like the most important and again bias was
they were the one we had trouble beating, so it
always felt like, man, they're the one we're trying to
get over the hump there. And I would say like
Iowa State always felt like maybe the most true to
color rival, not necessarily hatred or like it was just
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a good old fashioned rivalry with Iowa State, it felt.
And then Minnesota because we I mean, other than the
one weird year where we got blown out of the water,
the other four years we kind of just like always
handled them and they always it almost felt like Minnesota.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
Was a little brother for a little bit there. Yep.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
So that's how I looked at our rivalries, but respect
pretty much across the board in all of those, certainly
in the Wisconsin one. Yeah, And speaking of they're in
a they're in a bad spot. That's what Nebraska and
Wisconsin take a look. Go get go, get the hot
new coach. Never it's never going to work out like
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you think it is. Term used this weekend when we
beat Nebraska, which it feels good to win was and
this is used a lot by I love when fans
use it like they know the culture this is a
culture win for Iowa. Okay, what do you think of
what comes to mind when you hear culture win? What
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does that mean to you?
Speaker 2 (26:48):
I guess you a culture win would mean it's like
a win that is to the identity of the team.
To me, anytime I hear the word culture, I think
it's your actions times your behavior mind as you tolerate.
Like we came up with that based off of Jocko's
book Extreme Ownership, because at first it was you know,
culture times behavior, but the whole you have to subtract
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tolerance because you can say we're X, but if you
tolerate X, then you're not X. Right, So to me,
it's like, hey, that's a you know, a win that's
true to who we are to our core, and who
we are to our core is our actions and our
beliefs minus what we tolerate. So that is what I
would say it is for a culture win.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
I think when the fans talk about it there they
sort of reference. Oh, Kevin had a great quote on
our preview episode with Jeremiah Searles, and he said. Searles asked,
how does Iowa win this game Friday? If Iowa ends
up being on top, what what were the things that
went right for Iowa? And Kevin goes, we just let
Nebraska win or beat themselves. We win by letting Nebraska lose,
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and they will make a mistake. We win field position,
we win turnovers, we wind and at some point that
discipline over sixty minutes will prevail. And it quite literally
did Iowa having a culture or theoretically having a culture
of Hey, we're disciplined, We are the least penalized team
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in the country. We take care of the football. It
might not be sexy. We punt a lot, but we
play the field position game and that ends up getting
us points somewhere. We forced turnovers on the other side,
all that happened. And on the other side you look
at Nebraska, who I would say it would be hard
for anyone else to argue otherwise that they are still
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searching for a culture right now. In year two, going
into year three now of rule, they had a touchdown
that they just simply dropped, went right through their hands
wide open, had a blocker out in front probably could
have just walked in from about twenty five yards out
later late in the game, costly turnovers, team's mistake, several
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special teams mistakes, and then you add on top of
that the fans like to throw on the oh, and
then you have rule at the top. Who's asking Jay Higgins,
I don't who are you? And stuff like that, like
and pointing to that as well, there's there's your culture
center right there.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
Yeah, And that's that's the problem where you don't have
like the minute you said that word culture right you're
you could ask ten different coaches ten.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
Culture is a buzzword, by the way, correct.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
And it's an like it's not defined. If I, like
any of our viewers out here, like and I ask
you what are these, You're gonna tell me they are scissors.
It's simple, right, Like you know it a good definition,
by definition is hard to vary. I wouldn't ask my
wife what is this and she'd give me a different
She would say those are scissors. So scissors have a
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good definition. The word culture does not. You have to
define it within your own program. For Iowa, it's tough, smart, physical,
and our actions and our behaviors are going to be that,
which is why you see them practice tackling, practice doing
things the right way so they don't make mistakes and
they're not going to tolerate it. When you see people
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like I remember you posted something where when the kid
Procter came in, I think he wanted to think he
was better than everybody else. They didn't just widely accept him,
so they didn't tolerate behavior that wasn't who they are.
And it's that simple, Like any team can plug and
play it say okay, hey, our culture is going to
be X. We are going to define it as X.
Sure the outside world may not call it call culture this,
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but here at Nebraska, Iowa, insert whatever organization, this is
what culture means to us. This is our formula of
our beliefs and our actions. This is what we're not
going to tolerate. And then they can plug and play it.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
It's how do you quantify if you do it all?
And maybe it's just through what you just described, and
it's just a really sort of multi variable process where
the things that Nebraska doesn't practice, the things that they
allow in their facility, the behavior, the discipline, the behavior
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in the classroom, all the stuff that goes into their
one hundred and fifty student athletes on their football team,
which they're going to have to cut about a third
of their team with the new rules. How do you
quantify their ability? I don't know. If you've seen the
stats to always lose a close game, a one score game,
how does that keep happening in your mind? Is it
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just bad luck? Or is it a lot of times
you'll hear the phrase they don't know how to win.
What does that mean?
Speaker 2 (31:41):
They don't know how to win because they don't know
how to execute in pressure situations because they either haven't
done it in practice or they haven't fully been able
to achieve it in a game. Do do whatever reason,
and it's not going to be lack of a physical
it's going to be due to a lack of psychological
and doing. Like we talked about before with the drills.
Like again, Florida State was thirteen and one and now
(32:04):
they're two and ten and they are famed for this
tour of duty net drills that make people tough. Well,
apparently it doesn't, because DeAndre Hopkins is very tough. When
he caught that ball over Micah Hyde and the rest
of the Bills when he was on the Cardinals. I
don't want a special operator jumping up to catch that ball.
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I also don't want DeAndre Hopkins jumping out of a
plane to save our country. Mental toughness is task specific,
So not knowing how to win a game is task specific. Yes,
if we look at the classification of exercises, you can
do everything in the weight room builds general robustness, so
then you can apply it onto the field. Same thing
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with doing mentally difficult tasks. You're gonna put the kids
in difficult situations. You're gonna put him in a fourth
and one. You're gonna do goal line drills in practice,
and then allow them to either win or not win
and let the natural consequence seep in. So let the
defense beat the offense. Hey, offense, yeah, you should feel
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bad that you didn't get it done. Let that natural
consequence occur and then build up that success. So now
now the defense instead of being like, hey, boys, remember
that time that we did the gauntlet or we did
your boys, you know thing that the liver king whatever. No,
they're gonna be like, hey, remember, like we've been here before,
We've done this, and they build that through practice and
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they build it in games, and that's where it happens.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
You're saying, when they're celebrating planting that flag, those teams
aren't going remember when we did the barbarian.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
A barbarian helped us do this, liver King, is.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
It for you?
Speaker 2 (33:45):
That's yes, that's exactly what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
Yeah, I think that's a good way to put it.
I love two things you said. I love that you
brought up the mental versus physical side of that because
you're right, and I think that's probably where the fan
disconnects on understanding why they can't win close games and
having this feeling of man, look at our guys. Our
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guys are bigger, our guys are faster, our guys are stronger.
Why can't we win these games? Our guys are better skilled,
but not in the big moment? And it does. The
physical isn't what matters in that moment. It's the mental,
like you just said, and and then saying that mental
toughness is skills or is that specific task specific?
Speaker 2 (34:33):
Let's illustrate this for them.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
That's good.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
Let's illustrate this for the listener. If I let's let's
do a little little task. If I ask any of
our listeners out there that are able body, not somebody
that you know can't walk or it's injured. If you're
able bodied, and I said, hey, please walk along the
yellow line in the middle of the road, no problem, right,
It's a task. You're walking on a thin line. Okay, Hey,
(34:57):
go walk on a balance beam. Mhm. I'm gonna tight
you up a little bit. But the task is the same.
You are walking on a tight line. Hey, take that
balance beam and put it above skyscrapers. The task is
the same, but your psychological environment and the consequences of
your actions have changed and it's tightened you UPO. So
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practice tackling somebody fourth and goal. It's the same situation,
but now there's people watching. Now it's heightened awareness. Now
there's stakes. And if they haven't progressed and they haven't
been put in that situation, they can't handle it. But
if they've been exposed over time, there's a reason that
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these magicians and people that can walk these tightropes because
they've done it over time.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
It's easy. It's easy, man, That's a good way to
illustrate it. Why I bring you on here because I
can't I don't come up with that shit. I think
we leave it there. That's a great place to leave it.
I think I think got Nebraska fans need to have
a listen to this podcast.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
Let them hear it.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
They gotta they gotta listen. We'll clip it. I'm not
sure where the we'll do another show because we're about
to go into bull prep, and bullprep is a whole
other thing that I want to talk about the benefits
of that, why it's important for young guys, why it's
important for next year, stuff like that. Uh, Justin and
(36:24):
I will figure out how many of these shows we'll
do for the rest of the year, and then we
have a Bowl trip. We'll maybe do one on the
on the Bowl week. What that looks like strength conditioning wise,
and the tasks that you guys had to take over
a new weight room somewhere that they give you with
limited equipment and time.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
Some of them were awesome and some of them, like
I feel so bad for Oh my gosh, Ryan Ward,
I'll never forget that one.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
Oh we'll save that story. Uh, we'll be back at
some point. Thank you guys for listening. Uh catch the well,
I guess there's no game to catch enjoy championship weekend.
You got conference championship probably start tonight Friday night when
you hear this, and then obviously Saturday. We'll see you
next week, maybe sometime after that.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
Se yah.
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Speaker 2 (37:31):
Buy a million
We are back with another five to ten five show.
I had a couple questions lined up for coach today
and he delivered big time. What does a culture win?
That's a buzz term being thrown around after this latest
Iowa Nebraska game? What does culture even mean? And going further,
why is Nebraska a culture that loses close football games?
We have a bunch of other fun conversation in there
(00:21):
as well. Let's have a day. Let's go. Well, we
(00:52):
took a week off, We're back on the I just
about said the Snap podcast because it was in my
mind it's a five to ten five show. Actually, I
have the wrong overlay on doing there it is.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
There we go.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
We have mister power lift himself coach justin Lima.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
What's going on y'all?
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Wearing all the gear? We're in the one of the
better Iowa Strength conditioning sweatshirts.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
We ever got. Yeah, this thing's nice.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
It's cold here, cold here, and I mean god, not warm.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
It's not warm, but the bowl game should be.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Yeah, it looks like they're going to be headed back
to our home away from home, which is Tampa. Uh.
The Iowhawke football team has residency there.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Did you did you ever pay attention as a player
to the fact that the police that would escort us
everywhere literally put a tiger Hawk on their vehicle because
like that main guy was from Iowa.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
I didn't know that the main guy was from there.
At some point I probably did overhear that or knew that,
but yeah, it felt it felt like we just brought
the entire operation down and it was just like, Okay,
here we are again. I mean we went there. I
guess we only went there.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Twice, but it was twice in like four or three years.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Yeah, we went there in my first year where we
played LSU, and then we went there in sixteen when
we played Florida. Yep, got shlacked both times.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
I mean, no, we didn't get shlacked in Oh no,
we didn't. It was twenty one fourteen. Yeah, and then
the other one, like we just couldn't convert, like George
had to drop early. Desmond had a pick. I think
Snyder had a pick in the sixteen game. Like, but
we were kicking field goals and then eventually it got ugly.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
I uh. In thirteen we were actually we played them close,
and we played Mettenberger and Jarvis Landry and obj what
and their d line was an entire NFLD line and
their running back went on to be like a four
or five year backup running really good. Yeah, we played
them very tough, uh. I think Cotton had.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
A Yeah, Cotton helped us with the return. You're right,
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Yeah, that's that's going way back in the how. But yeah,
it's funny.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
The Bowl.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
It's a great place, and they always took care of
us great. But I think they went back there in
god was it eighteen or night like right after I left,
so they had gone there like three times in six
years or seven years. It would be nice to move
around a little bit more, in my opinion, as a player,
you get your four or five years at this point
(03:25):
you might get you know, depending on how many times
you transfer and what teams you transfer to, if they
make a Bowl game or not. And if you're Caleb Johnson,
you leave hurt like you only have three years. If
you're really really good in your limited time, it'd be
nice to go to like Florida once and maybe Arizona,
and obviously getting to go to California and even the
(03:45):
cold trip out to New York, which as far as
playing a football game. Those three hours were dogshit. But
the experience going to New York City, like I would
have never I if we had not gone on that trip.
I still to this they would not have bending New
York City. So cool experience as a player. But yeah,
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I mean it's a good spot. It was better when
it was the Outback Bowl and it was like the
Bloomin Onion versus the what is it now it's not
it's the Relia Quest Bowl. I don't even know what
Relia Quest is.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
I can't eat coconut shrimp or I can't eat a
bloomin on like I want that, you know what I mean?
Like give me that spread and that was so good.
That dinner was always so good.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
It was so good. And you know what's amazing is
they used to run out the mascots of the coconut
shrimp and the and the bloomin Onion. Those mascot costumes
are just sitting somewhere right now, like somewhere in some
building that Outback Corporate owns.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
They'll get to go see whorfs.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Though. Down in Tampa there's a coconut shrimp called Nelly.
How about Nelly? Huh? Did you see that.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
No, what do you do?
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Oh, they're in overtime versus Uh, they're an overtime versus
Josie Jewel and the Panthers.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
On he's the one that forced to funnel. I saw
something he stripped.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
He stripped it as the Panthers are driving in. He
got the game ball.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Good for him. I still remember when he came in
as a freshman, where like he's playing d line, like
he ain't big enough, but then he got obviously bigger.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
The frame was big enough.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Yes, there wasn't enough on it.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
It wasn't enough meat. No needed three or four ten
extra coconut trimp and two bloomin onions. Uh is he?
I have have topics, trust me, I have brought topics today.
But now we're on this topic. Anthony Nelson is a
name during our time. It's funny when I talk to you,
(05:41):
when we talked to you, because our time essentially is
the exact same time at IOWA, which makes it really cool.
Anthony Nelson is a name that pops up to me
in a very small list of guys that were, uh
physically gifted beyond your average Division one football player, And
I'm thinking like Josh Jackson Tristan Wurf's Anthony Nelson, and
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Anthony was a little bit of a sleeper in that
in that category because if you weren't around him all
the time, you might just think, Oh, the kid's just
really tall and lanky, Like, I don't know how athletic
he is, but he's just really tall. I mean, the
guy's now playing like a stand up linebacker edge rush
kind of position in the NFL at like six seven.
But what blew me away about him was he would
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run skill times in the very very beginning when he
was basically skill weight. Yeah, and I it's on record
that I wasn't a very good runner. So anybody that
was better than me was like, oh my god, he's
so good at running. But he would blow people away
in those in those in those conditioning reps.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Especially in shuttles.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Oh my god, for a six to seven guy to
be able to change direction like that. And I just thought,
you know, there's a lot of these guys, you know,
Drake and go down the list bo all these guys
Division one athletes, they were all ahead of the game
at their high school. They were the guy They're built
for this, especially a few years into the program. But
Anthony Nelson is one of those that's built different among
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the built different, and his career in the NFL was
like an inevitability to me, like there's I always just
thought like, that guy's signing a contract someday, like it
was just and to me the now podcaster at thirty
years old, who was probably never gonna make millions of dollars,
It was always so crazy to think about the mindset
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of does that guy know he's just like if he
just does things right, he's signing on the dotted line
for millions of dollars. That was all Tristan all the
same thing. And Josh Jackson's career hasn't panned out like
Tristan's has, although no one's really has. But those all
those guys that made it to the league, Like, are
there any other names that pop up in your mind
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when you when you think about maybe that kind of athlete.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
When you first said it, the name, I instantly thought of,
uh Kirksey because he was one. Looking back at what
he did and when I was there in twelve seeing
what he did on the field in that outback Bowl,
I think he had two, maybe three sacks against a
very good LSU team, and then I personally worked with
him getting him ready for the combine. Here's a fun
little story for you. You know how US strength and conditioning
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coaches were always in charge of a different position group
during skills and drills. I had the linebackers, and so
that linebacking group in twenty thirteen that were seniors. It
was the first time in a very long time that
we had linebackers going to the draft. So I needed
to research what combine drills they'd be doing to help
them prepare for the combine. So I spent a lot
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of time with Kirksey, James and Hitch getting them ready
with those drills. But then Kirksey had a class conflict
on the days that we were doing the five PO
ten five or the l So, like I just got
to see a lot of individual work with him. So
like that name comes to mind, obviously, George, Like everybody
was shocked when George did what George did, but we
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were so used to seeing it. Yeah, Epanessa, the guy,
one of the guys that the Bills called me to
ask me about AJ once they had drafted him, because
he knew that I worked with him. I mean, and
even like a guy like Benneman who was you know,
tall and lanky and didn't kind of fit the mold,
but played right away as a freshman and had the
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height and you know when you would look at his numbers,
what is you know, hanging power clean would be or
his ten yard dash would be like a strong kid
that was a smart kid that played as a true freshman.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
George, Yeah, George is a funny for those who knew
George before now George, it's funny that people are like, yeah,
this fifth round pick came out of nowhere, out of Iowa,
didn't really do much, like and then everybody on the
inside is like, kid is like a freak.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Yeah, Like I can show you all of his Hawkeye
Championship where it's like George's top three probably not number three,
based off of like he'll win everywhere everything, and like
that's another thing that I had to really figure out
because y'all made it difficult on me with the Hawkeye
Challenge where we had to wait it where like say
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there was like a bunch of semis, not a lot
of linemen one year, Well it couldn't be like, ah,
if you beat sixty semis, you get sixty points for
first place, and the lineman only beats thirty guys, so
there's only thirty So I had to like wait it. Yeah,
where the first first place would always get you know,
sixty points and then the last person would always get zero,
but then like second and third was waited. But either way,
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George was cleaning up because he was always winning it.
Like so we just knew that he was physically blessed. Yeah,
the world just didn't get to see it, you know
what I mean.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
It didn't. It didn't turn into production in college like
it has in the NFL for sure. That's God. I
could get so nerdy about the scoring system of the
of the Hawkeye Championship, Like you almost have to come
up with like a peace score that's like based off
of the middle instead of the total participants. Like here's
(11:03):
your deviation away from the average score, and here's how
much points they get. They do something like that and
CrossFit competition sometimes anyway, Yeah, George is crazy. You want
to see somebody drag a sled or push a sled
a fan?
Speaker 2 (11:20):
You talked about that with fans.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
I mean, like Noah's top of the list.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Noah and Hawkinson were very impressive too, and I remember,
like just any young kid, they both I think there
were roommates. They both overslept and they were late to
one of their first skills and drills and I'm in
They're like I had to be the coach to get
them ready to go outside. And but like Noah just
physically blessed TJ never dropping a ball as a freshman,
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like you want again, like that's something that I won't forget.
And another name that doesn't probably won't stand out, but
like Torn young with how well he would run the
ball with a ball in his hand. He looked he
was a better athlete with a ball in his hand
than without.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I agree with that. And that's weird
because sometimes when he ran without it, he almost looked clunky.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Correct, and then he had a ball in his hand.
You're like, oh, word, that's violent.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
And he just felt there's some people who get the
ball in their hands on offense and football and they
can just feel a defense they cannot like they almost
have like this like sixth sense of the flow of
eleven guys and where people are going.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Same thing with Sean Welsh, like you ask Sean to
go and just do a straight linear run. But like
Sean be alignment and block. I mean obviously Sheriff too.
Like Sheriff in terms of just like pure athleticism, what
that three hundred and twenty three pound guy would do.
I'm I'm backspotting him on he's doing his squats with
six plates. But then at the same time he's you know,
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running as fast as he does. Like that's just it's unhuman.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
What he would not unleashed that athleticism this weekend when.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Jeff and I Wood, you and I were talking about
that yesterday at Goldfins, it was like Brad when he
gets mad, because like Sheriff, don't get mad. He does.
He's super laid.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
He took his helmet off.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
Brox or ikes sweet that.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
dB did not understand what he was signing up for.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
He really did.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
Really that was going to turn into a lot of
bark and no bite if Sheriff got hands on that guy.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
Funny Sheriff story real quick before we get to your question.
So in fourteen, when he had his little procedure done, yeah,
I'm doing the return to play the next day.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
It was still one of the craziest things I've ever seen.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
Get surgery Wednesday, Monday, Tuesday, We're doing his return to
play on the field. Okay, I played o line. I understand,
you know, hold the pad, be a three technique or
whatever he needed me to be. And so Doyle was like,
all right, we're doing tight rite cool. He's like, hey,
let's go fifty percent, you know, talking to Sheriff, like
let's just get back into this. I'm thinking this Sheriff
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the Golden Goose, like this guy like already talking about
Outland Trophy, like he decided to come back, but don't
don't be a jackwagon. Justin and slam into this kid.
I'm going maybe twenty five percent. He comes off the
line and I'm Fred Flintstone feet kicking in the air
like no joke, I was off the ground.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
I might have seen this actually, And I.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Looked at Doyle and we both looked at each other
like he's good. Like he went through the rest of
the day. But it was like there was after that.
It was that was Fred Fronstone feet. And I mean
I'm not I was two sixty five. It's not like
I was. I was no, you know what I mean,
but like I put a little bit of wait into
it and he's just like, thanks for playing bro.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
Yeah, twenty four hours out of surgery. I had had
a knee scope done in high school going into my
like right after my senior year into senior year basketball season,
so I knew what that was like, and all right,
I knew about what a scope felt like and how
my knee felt after that. And we go into that
(14:50):
freshman season and he gets that done or fourteen whenever
that happened, and I here like two or three days later,
maybe it was Fast Friday, where he like shows up
and he's full, like basically full participant Fast Friday, four
days after surgery, and I'm like, and part of me questions, like,
was he is he just that tough and built again,
(15:13):
built different where it's like he's able to come back,
and it was just me and him are different humans.
We're just we're just different wavelength there or is there
some some bit of like naivete that he doesn't understand
that you probably shouldn't come back that soon. And he
(15:35):
feels a little bit of the stiffness, a little bit
of the soreness, but he's just like they fixed it.
I'm good, you know, Like I was blown away that
he went and played as a lineman a full game
six days after he I mean.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
Apparently that guy was pretty good too. What he said?
What he's like? That fourteen team was bad? He goes,
but he what he knew the name of the d
N I completely forget his name. Now, he's like he
was at actually a good d end. He goes. The
team was bad, but that kid was good.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Yeah, I don't know. How is your Thanksgiving weekend? We'll
get off the reminiscing.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
It's fantastic, man, a whole lot enough, and we played
some football outside. We watched the football. It was great.
A lot of turkey, A lot of turkey.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
What's the flight look like for Coach.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
Lima turkey dressing or stuffing, whatever you call it, mashed potatoes,
gravy on top of it all, and uh what you
will call it? You need the cranberry sauce. And if
you don't have the cranberry sauce it's canned, you're doing
it wrong. I need to see the lines on the
cranberry sauce.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
That can shaped. Yes, yeah, uh, I've never had stuffing before,
never eaten it, really, yeah, I just never the conglomerate
of that as a kid never really appealed to me,
and I've just like at this point, I'm like, I'm
good with the potatoes, corn, turkey. Yeah, maybe some mac
and cheese, you know whatever. Getting good Black Friday deals,
(16:59):
any Strength Coach Black Friday deals that are out there.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
No, but I got all my families Christmas shopping done.
There you go, so like that's really what I did.
I got, uh, got some new sheets for the bed
because if you're not sleeping properly, you're not recovered. True,
But like, no, I did the Christmas shopping for my
family so that way I can just chill now till Christmas.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
How's your shopping discipline? You see the ads come up
on Instagram or or wherever you're scrolling, You're like, oh shit,
there's another thing I need.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
No, I don't go on social media unless I need
to do it for work, Like outside of posting for
Strength Coach Network to let people know about our deals.
I really I have no interest in social media other
than connecting with coaches, you know what I mean? Like,
I just use it as another way of texting.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
I Uh. I was always in high school, middle school,
high school, I was really big into Rubik's cubes every year.
I remember this every year at media day.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Someone minute to Win It too, right, Yeah, I did.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
That for the team in the off season. Everybody would
like bring a cube and they'd be like, uh, we
got nothing to talk about with Clover, can we just
give him a rub excube. That'll be the story, you know.
So technology has advanced a long ways in the ten
years that I've kind of stopped rub excubing and I
got back into it. Dude and dude, the I'm just
(18:18):
sitting here playing.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
With they look harder now.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Oh no, there's they're so oh this one's bigger. Okay, yeah,
I was like, it's bigger, here's your here's your standard. Oh,
just listen to it. So good, it's so smooky.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
Speaking of minute to win it and out that goals,
Do you remember when coach Ferrets pulled out the jackhammer
dance in the middle one of the greatest things ever.
That was one of the greatest things.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
I have no words. I have no word that was.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
I had no words. That was like one of the
first times that like everybody got to see, yeah, a
different side of him.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
Yeah, I died.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
That was amazing, unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
Unbelievable. Before we get to the I would Ebraska stuff
specifically what we talked about it right before we hit record.
What do you think about all the hate week stuff,
Ohio State, Michigan, plant and the.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
Flag, can't stand it. I love what Steve Sarkisian did.
I did see that this morning when I was in
the middle of talking with some other coaches. I saw
that sark like got his team off the logo. Loved
to see that, And I see it multiple ways, like Michigan, okay, cool,
you won the game, like you're gonna, you know, claim
it as your own. I get that a little bit.
(19:32):
I get the Ohio State thing because it's like, listen, Michigan,
you can only go so far before they're going to
do something about it. But I also see the whole
thing of like, if you don't like it, don't let
them do it. So it's like I see both sides,
but it's like, you know, learn to win, learn to lose.
Just I don't know. I don't really think you need
to do it, like in my opinion.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
But is there a way to avoid that stuff when
you have eighteen to twenty two year old kids in
emotional victories?
Speaker 2 (19:58):
Like that adults adults being adults, like Sarcasian, that's how
you do it. You let the adults be the adult.
You and I have talked about this before. They are kids, right,
like the even the Nebraska thing with the not shaking hands.
Like my father in law sent me a picture. He's like,
if you actually look in the middle, he goes, you
might sense let me see here, he said, it looks
(20:18):
like this kid right here in the middle, number eight.
He's like, it looks like he's kind of reluctant, like
maybe the coaches did tell like I don't know, And
that's where it's like, you need the adults to adult.
And like for Matt Rule, if he really said, who
are you too, Like, dude, shut up, you know who,
Jay Higgins, you're a shot up, you're a child like
(20:39):
and you're supposed to be like you're supposed to be
impacting young kids who their life is already hard enough. Sure,
yeah they're making money, but let's stop acting like their
life isn't hard enough. And now they have some jackwagon
adult telling them to do that, like, no adults have
to adult.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
I think it's uh, I don't think it's any The
urge or the initial like, oh, we're gonna do like
we're gonna We're gonna ride this emotion because we've been there.
Win wins are huge, right, Yeah, you are riding the
wave of emotion when you win, and you could even
see it a little bit. We talked about it on
the recap episode with Jay Higgins and Nick Jackson in
(21:17):
their postgame interview, how they're just like smiling. They kind
of opened up a little bit more than they normally
would talk about the interactions with Nebraska throughout that game,
and especially when you get kids who are undisciplined or
more on the undisciplined side, and they've never been told
this is wrong or you shouldn't do this, this is disrespectful.
(21:39):
Who knows what their upbringing was or where they come from,
what they value, and now all of a sudden, you're like,
we just beat our rival. Fuck it, we're planting a flag.
We're gonna stomp on their logo like they're riding. They're eighteen.
They're so stupid. Kids are so stupid.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
They don't have the literal they don't have the emotional capacity,
they don't have the brain chemistry to handle it. Adults
have to adult and the saddest part is I don't
even think they realized that. Like, you know, what's even
worse than like getting beat and humiliated is when the
other team is actually kind to you, Like when I, dude,
if I go and roll and if somebody just smashes
(22:18):
me like yesterday, this dude, David just oh my god,
Like these three rounds, I'm just getting tour Like at
the end, we're just like, handshit, it's this. He's not
even like like or like, hey man, you should do
this a little bit different. As you're like trying to
choke somebody, you're like, gosh, darn it. Like so like
that Barry Sanders, you think about Barry Sanders, Larry Fitzgerald, Like, dude,
(22:39):
just win the game and then celebrate, Like even when
we did the U when we swarmed for the trophy.
We didn't we swarmed for the trophy and then celebrated
by ourselves. Like you're playing a if if the team
that you're playing is so good that you're gonna plant
the flag, like you're not gonna be that good without
the opponent, which is something that in Europe and in
(22:59):
sat I really like what they do. They'll drink beers
together after the game because it's like, hey, I had
to beat you as an opponent in this game. Therefore
I had to train to be good to beat you
in the game. If it wasn't for you, I wouldn't
have been as good at my sport. Thank you for
making me better, and like that type of mindset just need.
Like American football, especially college football, is just so asked
(23:21):
backwards with the you know, the pacifier whistle, Like why
does the strength coach have a whistle on the sideline
in a game? Tyler? Please tell me, hype man, you
can't blow a whistle. The referee is the only person
that's allowed to blow a whistle, Like you are what
are you doing? You can't like, Okay, maybe you're gonna
warm them up after halftime. Put the whistle in your pocket.
(23:44):
You look like a dude. It's just what's that movie?
It's a MASSR bring your broom, it's a mass.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
I thought it was one of the more firework flair
hate weeks that I can remember. I don't all, I'm
not super keyed in, and I don't you know, it's
not like this weekend comes around every year and I'm like, hey,
how many fights. Did we get into it just my
proximity on social and watching the broadcast, it seemed like
there was a fight at damn near every stadium. It's
(24:14):
like people are getting chippy.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Arizona, Like Arizona really brought like you might want to
take that one, though, y'all lost fifty eighth to nothing, Like.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
That's a tough one. Supposed to be a rival, you know,
cross state. That's like Iowai Iwa State, you know, not
nearly as heated of a football rivalry Ashio where I
was state is. But yeah, they took their their trident,
but the trident right in the middle of like.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
And for what it's worth, I don't think we did
talk about this, but Nebraska was always my most hated
rival of our four person was it, Oh my gosh, yeah,
because they were just delusional, right, like they had been
delusional for so long, and it's like I it was
it was Nebraska, Minnesota, I would say, it was state,
then Wisconsin I.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
Would say most hated. I'll give them most hated because
I'm not really one to hate anything personally just within myself.
So if there was one I disliked the most, it
was certainly Nebraska. The biggest, the one I wanted to
win the most was always Wisconsin. For me, it always felt.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Like, I will agree with you on both of those.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
It felt like the most important and again bias was
they were the one we had trouble beating, so it
always felt like, man, they're the one we're trying to
get over the hump there. And I would say like
Iowa State always felt like maybe the most true to
color rival, not necessarily hatred or like it was just
(25:42):
a good old fashioned rivalry with Iowa State, it felt.
And then Minnesota because we I mean, other than the
one weird year where we got blown out of the water,
the other four years we kind of just like always
handled them and they always it almost felt like Minnesota.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
Was a little brother for a little bit there. Yep.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
So that's how I looked at our rivalries, but respect
pretty much across the board in all of those, certainly
in the Wisconsin one. Yeah, And speaking of they're in
a they're in a bad spot. That's what Nebraska and
Wisconsin take a look. Go get go, get the hot
new coach. Never it's never going to work out like
(26:22):
you think it is. Term used this weekend when we
beat Nebraska, which it feels good to win was and
this is used a lot by I love when fans
use it like they know the culture this is a
culture win for Iowa. Okay, what do you think of
what comes to mind when you hear culture win? What
(26:45):
does that mean to you?
Speaker 2 (26:48):
I guess you a culture win would mean it's like
a win that is to the identity of the team.
To me, anytime I hear the word culture, I think
it's your actions times your behavior mind as you tolerate.
Like we came up with that based off of Jocko's
book Extreme Ownership, because at first it was you know,
culture times behavior, but the whole you have to subtract
(27:11):
tolerance because you can say we're X, but if you
tolerate X, then you're not X. Right, So to me,
it's like, hey, that's a you know, a win that's
true to who we are to our core, and who
we are to our core is our actions and our
beliefs minus what we tolerate. So that is what I
would say it is for a culture win.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
I think when the fans talk about it there they
sort of reference. Oh, Kevin had a great quote on
our preview episode with Jeremiah Searles, and he said. Searles asked,
how does Iowa win this game Friday? If Iowa ends
up being on top, what what were the things that
went right for Iowa? And Kevin goes, we just let
Nebraska win or beat themselves. We win by letting Nebraska lose,
(27:55):
and they will make a mistake. We win field position,
we win turnovers, we wind and at some point that
discipline over sixty minutes will prevail. And it quite literally
did Iowa having a culture or theoretically having a culture
of Hey, we're disciplined, We are the least penalized team
(28:15):
in the country. We take care of the football. It
might not be sexy. We punt a lot, but we
play the field position game and that ends up getting
us points somewhere. We forced turnovers on the other side,
all that happened. And on the other side you look
at Nebraska, who I would say it would be hard
for anyone else to argue otherwise that they are still
(28:37):
searching for a culture right now. In year two, going
into year three now of rule, they had a touchdown
that they just simply dropped, went right through their hands
wide open, had a blocker out in front probably could
have just walked in from about twenty five yards out
later late in the game, costly turnovers, team's mistake, several
(29:02):
special teams mistakes, and then you add on top of
that the fans like to throw on the oh, and
then you have rule at the top. Who's asking Jay Higgins,
I don't who are you? And stuff like that, like
and pointing to that as well, there's there's your culture
center right there.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
Yeah, And that's that's the problem where you don't have
like the minute you said that word culture right you're
you could ask ten different coaches ten.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
Culture is a buzzword, by the way, correct.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
And it's an like it's not defined. If I, like
any of our viewers out here, like and I ask
you what are these, You're gonna tell me they are scissors.
It's simple, right, Like you know it a good definition,
by definition is hard to vary. I wouldn't ask my
wife what is this and she'd give me a different
She would say those are scissors. So scissors have a
(29:50):
good definition. The word culture does not. You have to
define it within your own program. For Iowa, it's tough, smart, physical,
and our actions and our behaviors are going to be that,
which is why you see them practice tackling, practice doing
things the right way so they don't make mistakes and
they're not going to tolerate it. When you see people
(30:13):
like I remember you posted something where when the kid
Procter came in, I think he wanted to think he
was better than everybody else. They didn't just widely accept him,
so they didn't tolerate behavior that wasn't who they are.
And it's that simple, Like any team can plug and
play it say okay, hey, our culture is going to
be X. We are going to define it as X.
Sure the outside world may not call it call culture this,
(30:37):
but here at Nebraska, Iowa, insert whatever organization, this is
what culture means to us. This is our formula of
our beliefs and our actions. This is what we're not
going to tolerate. And then they can plug and play it.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
It's how do you quantify if you do it all?
And maybe it's just through what you just described, and
it's just a really sort of multi variable process where
the things that Nebraska doesn't practice, the things that they
allow in their facility, the behavior, the discipline, the behavior
(31:11):
in the classroom, all the stuff that goes into their
one hundred and fifty student athletes on their football team,
which they're going to have to cut about a third
of their team with the new rules. How do you
quantify their ability? I don't know. If you've seen the
stats to always lose a close game, a one score game,
how does that keep happening in your mind? Is it
(31:32):
just bad luck? Or is it a lot of times
you'll hear the phrase they don't know how to win.
What does that mean?
Speaker 2 (31:41):
They don't know how to win because they don't know
how to execute in pressure situations because they either haven't
done it in practice or they haven't fully been able
to achieve it in a game. Do do whatever reason,
and it's not going to be lack of a physical
it's going to be due to a lack of psychological
and doing. Like we talked about before with the drills.
Like again, Florida State was thirteen and one and now
(32:04):
they're two and ten and they are famed for this
tour of duty net drills that make people tough. Well,
apparently it doesn't, because DeAndre Hopkins is very tough. When
he caught that ball over Micah Hyde and the rest
of the Bills when he was on the Cardinals. I
don't want a special operator jumping up to catch that ball.
(32:25):
I also don't want DeAndre Hopkins jumping out of a
plane to save our country. Mental toughness is task specific,
So not knowing how to win a game is task specific. Yes,
if we look at the classification of exercises, you can
do everything in the weight room builds general robustness, so
then you can apply it onto the field. Same thing
(32:45):
with doing mentally difficult tasks. You're gonna put the kids
in difficult situations. You're gonna put him in a fourth
and one. You're gonna do goal line drills in practice,
and then allow them to either win or not win
and let the natural consequence seep in. So let the
defense beat the offense. Hey, offense, yeah, you should feel
(33:07):
bad that you didn't get it done. Let that natural
consequence occur and then build up that success. So now
now the defense instead of being like, hey, boys, remember
that time that we did the gauntlet or we did
your boys, you know thing that the liver king whatever. No,
they're gonna be like, hey, remember, like we've been here before,
We've done this, and they build that through practice and
(33:29):
they build it in games, and that's where it happens.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
You're saying, when they're celebrating planting that flag, those teams
aren't going remember when we did the barbarian.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
A barbarian helped us do this, liver King, is.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
It for you?
Speaker 2 (33:45):
That's yes, that's exactly what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
Yeah, I think that's a good way to put it.
I love two things you said. I love that you
brought up the mental versus physical side of that because
you're right, and I think that's probably where the fan
disconnects on understanding why they can't win close games and
having this feeling of man, look at our guys. Our
(34:09):
guys are bigger, our guys are faster, our guys are stronger.
Why can't we win these games? Our guys are better skilled,
but not in the big moment? And it does. The
physical isn't what matters in that moment. It's the mental,
like you just said, and and then saying that mental
toughness is skills or is that specific task specific?
Speaker 2 (34:33):
Let's illustrate this for them.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
That's good.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
Let's illustrate this for the listener. If I let's let's
do a little little task. If I ask any of
our listeners out there that are able body, not somebody
that you know can't walk or it's injured. If you're
able bodied, and I said, hey, please walk along the
yellow line in the middle of the road, no problem, right,
It's a task. You're walking on a thin line. Okay, Hey,
(34:57):
go walk on a balance beam. Mhm. I'm gonna tight
you up a little bit. But the task is the same.
You are walking on a tight line. Hey, take that
balance beam and put it above skyscrapers. The task is
the same, but your psychological environment and the consequences of
your actions have changed and it's tightened you UPO. So
(35:20):
practice tackling somebody fourth and goal. It's the same situation,
but now there's people watching. Now it's heightened awareness. Now
there's stakes. And if they haven't progressed and they haven't
been put in that situation, they can't handle it. But
if they've been exposed over time, there's a reason that
(35:42):
these magicians and people that can walk these tightropes because
they've done it over time.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
It's easy. It's easy, man, That's a good way to
illustrate it. Why I bring you on here because I
can't I don't come up with that shit. I think
we leave it there. That's a great place to leave it.
I think I think got Nebraska fans need to have
a listen to this podcast.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
Let them hear it.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
They gotta they gotta listen. We'll clip it. I'm not
sure where the we'll do another show because we're about
to go into bull prep, and bullprep is a whole
other thing that I want to talk about the benefits
of that, why it's important for young guys, why it's
important for next year, stuff like that. Uh, Justin and
(36:24):
I will figure out how many of these shows we'll
do for the rest of the year, and then we
have a Bowl trip. We'll maybe do one on the
on the Bowl week. What that looks like strength conditioning wise,
and the tasks that you guys had to take over
a new weight room somewhere that they give you with
limited equipment and time.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
Some of them were awesome and some of them, like
I feel so bad for Oh my gosh, Ryan Ward,
I'll never forget that one.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
Oh we'll save that story. Uh, we'll be back at
some point. Thank you guys for listening. Uh catch the well,
I guess there's no game to catch enjoy championship weekend.
You got conference championship probably start tonight Friday night when
you hear this, and then obviously Saturday. We'll see you
next week, maybe sometime after that.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
Se yah.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
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