Episode 118: Excess Hygiene

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:04):
Be my physician.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
He said, you're definitely ill.

Speaker 3 (00:07):
Thanks to the nurse.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
I've seen worse than the doctor.

Speaker 3 (00:09):
Just gave me a pill. Take one of those three
times today.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
You don't never stop on till you're really dead or
almost better, keep out of the reach of children.

Speaker 3 (00:18):
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Speaker 4 (00:20):
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of that, on top of that, on top of that,
on top of that, and many showed me his bill.

Speaker 3 (00:34):
I've popped another pill.

Speaker 5 (00:36):
Welcome to When Your Health Matters. Your host is doctor
Richard Huntoon of Advanced Alternative Medicine Center located right here
in Pool of Georgia. Doctor Hantoon has been practicing alternative health,
utilizing chiropractic and many other health techniques for the past
twenty seven years. To support you when your health matters.
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Speaker 6 (01:23):
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Speaker 3 (01:27):
Welcome to this week's show, When Your Health Matters. The
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Speaker 1 (01:41):
Well, Doc Rick, I really wanted to talk to you
today about one of those subjects that is probably near
and dear to everyone's hard if they're thinking about being
clean in this world, and that is the difference between
what is considered hygiene and what is considered health.

Speaker 3 (01:57):
Interesting way to start the show. Hygiene is defined as
a condition or practices conducive to maintaining health preventing disease,
especially through cleanliness. Health, on the other hand, is a
state of optimum or best physical, mental, social, and I

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throw when they're spiritual wellbeing and not merely of the
absence of sickness and or infirmity. The more you practice
good hygiene, the better chances you will have in order
to be healthy.

Speaker 1 (02:31):
I mean that was something they discovered long ago when
they realized, oh, you know, it actually helps to wash
your hands before you perform surgery back in the eighteen hundreds.

Speaker 3 (02:39):
Imagine that.

Speaker 1 (02:40):
I mean, things that seem very logical does today just
kind of obvious.

Speaker 3 (02:44):
Wouldn't want to stick your dirty hands in the chest
cavity of somebody because you're trying to help.

Speaker 1 (02:49):
Them, Yeah, exactly. So when you are in a state
of health, but it starts to decline. What are the
stages of going from health to actually have illness?

Speaker 3 (03:01):
Well, there are five stages from health to full blown illness,
and they occur due to nutritional deficiencies of not having
enough of the proper ingredients needed to maintain a person's health.
The five stages are as follows. We start with inflammation,
then we get deposition, impregnation, degeneration, and finally de diifferentiation.

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And most do not become fully aware of the problem
until the fourth phase, where you are experiencing degeneration and
that is a problem and Unfortunately, big pharma and big
business take advantage of the ignorance of the people, and
that's why our health is as a nation is failing,
and the people are accumulating more and more medications to

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mask or cover up the problems without addressing the reason
for the problem, which is the nutritional deficiencies. So it's
as long as big business continues to refine our food,
we're going to continue to have health issues. If you
want to get rid of your health issues, you're going
to need to talk to somebody such as myself or

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a nutritionist that understands holistic health that can help you
figure out where the holes are in your nutritional status
and what you need to do to plug those holes
so that the body can actually start to run and
produce positive health outcomes.

Speaker 1 (04:21):
So almost everything you could do to improve your health
would just be based on what you're getting in terms
of the balance of your diet.

Speaker 3 (04:28):
Well, not everything, but the major reason for why somebody
develops disease and weakness is not having enough of the
right ingredients to maintain balance and harmony.

Speaker 1 (04:38):
Now, there were a number of words that maybe in
terms of art are kind of large words that you
had there the first one was inflammation, which is like
if you cut yourself and it gets read or something
like that, that would be an inflammation.

Speaker 3 (04:53):
Right. A simple example that I use to help my
patients understand this is if you withhold what a three
year old wants, what does the three year old do.

Speaker 1 (05:02):
When the three year old starts stowing a tantrum?

Speaker 3 (05:04):
Their tantrum is an inflamed situation. They're not responding in
a normal, healthy fashion and they're having a temper tantrum
and everything gets inflamed as a result.

Speaker 1 (05:16):
Okay, So then the second stage was deposition. Deposition. What
does deposition mean?

Speaker 3 (05:22):
Well, that's where if you're if we use numbers as
a way to visualize this, if your body needs ten
parts of something in order to function properly, but the diet,
because of what they've done to our food, is only
supplying seven of those ten ingredients. So you're missing you're
lacking the vital three that helps to maintain normal balance

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and normal health and normal function. So you're going to
get collections within the cell that absorbs what is available,
which is the seven of the ten ingredients, but they
can't be processed fully and serve their purpose fully because
they're lacking the other three ingredients necessary to have the
whole complex move forward. So you get collections of these

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groups of sevens that form deposits within the cell itself.
Hence the second stage of body breakdown, which is called depositions.

Speaker 1 (06:18):
So it's actually your body accumulating things that it can't.

Speaker 3 (06:21):
Accumulating excess ingredients that it can't use because it doesn't
have all the ingredients in order to turn them into
something productive.

Speaker 1 (06:30):
Well, that's so interesting that that would be a product
of deficiency in your diet, that you would actually deposit
things that you don't need, as opposed to having excess
things that you're depositing.

Speaker 3 (06:40):
Well, at the end of the day, you do need
what you're getting, you just can't process it. It's like
if you have an excess amount of hydrogen but no oxygen,
you're never going to have water. I see, you need
to have both ingredients in order for it to have function.
So if you have some ingredients that the body could
benefit it from, but you don't have the cofactors, the enzymes,

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the trace elements, the trace minerals necessary to turn those
ingredients into fuel for the cell so that the cell
can continue to do with job and be healthy. Then
all of that's going to eventually slow down and stop,
and then you're going to get signs of things not
working properly with full blown disease.

Speaker 1 (07:26):
And what's so interesting is that how long you can
go along functioning without any recognition that something's not in
balance for you.

Speaker 3 (07:34):
Right, So, inflammation is the first stage. Deposition of those
undigested food particles is the second stage. Impregnation is where
not everything that you eat is totally devoid of nutrition,
otherwise the average human being would definitely be dead within
ninety days.

Speaker 1 (07:51):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (07:52):
Okay, So what the body does is like a marine.
Is how I like to understand it is it has
an ability to adapt and it has an ability to overcome.
So what it may do is it may rob from
parts of your body that aren't necessarily as high a priority.
So it's going to take some of their supplies in
an effort to fill in the gaps of what's missing,

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in an effort to allow things to continue to move forward.
And so then you start to develop deficiency diseases in
the areas where they're robbing from Peter in order to
pay Paul in order to maintain how the vital functions
of the body need to be maintained. And so after
we get impregnation where things are getting deposited within the

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cell wall, what do you think happens to the integrity
of that cell wall.

Speaker 1 (08:38):
It must start to break down.

Speaker 3 (08:40):
Right, That's the fourth phase of body breakdown, which is
called degeneration. That's the first physical signs of aging that
you see in your cell or in another human being.
That could be a gray hair, that could be a wrinkle,
that could be a sag. That could be slow digestion,
that could be slow healing. It could be poor immune functioning,

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it could be any kinds of the diseases that people
suffer from. And that's the degenerative phase. And then finally,
the fifth phase is called de differentiation, and that's where
the cells actually begin to mutate. They can either burst,
which is called cell lysis, where the cells literally pop,

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They can become fibrotic, they can start to scar. They
can begin to mutate, and when they mutate, we're looking
at one of two final resting places for the mutation.
It could either be autoimmune disease where the body starts
attacking itself, or the cells can become rogue where they

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start to attack the rest of the body, and that
would be a thing called cancer.

Speaker 1 (09:47):
Wow, So that those states. That's really interesting. So really
when it comes to your health, you're actually getting the
first symptoms before you even have a full blown disease
or is that fifth stage so severe that you're in
a life and death situation.

Speaker 3 (10:04):
Well, the fifth phase is so advanced that you're definitely
going to need some sort of crisis intervention in order
to deal with that.

Speaker 1 (10:13):
You know.

Speaker 3 (10:15):
The sad thing is that at some point we're all
going to succumb to some level of disease. Sad to
say that the patient that I've been talking about for
the last several months, seven seven and a half months,
he finally passed yesterday.

Speaker 1 (10:30):
I'm sorry to hear that.

Speaker 3 (10:31):
And yeah, it's very sad, it's very disheartening. He was
nice enough. He was being discharged from the hospital on
a Friday, and I wasn't going to be able to
get up to his home until the following Monday, just
because of the logistics of where I live versus where
he lives. We're nine hundred and eighty miles apart, and

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so I said, listen, if you can hang on until Monday,
I will come directly to your house. And so I
had the the wonderful opportunity to go to his house.
They'd gotten a hospital bed, moved into his living room.
He was there, his nurse aid was there, his whole
family was around him when I came in. And probably

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the most wonderful thing I've ever heard was when I
walked up the stairs. His wife, who I hadn't actually
met yet, said to him that your favorite doctor's here.
And he lit up like a Christmas tree. He was
so happy to see me, and I was so happy
to see him, so I gave him a big hug.
I did what I needed to do, and I believe

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what I did on that particular evening allowed him to
pass gracefully, because I got a text message from his
son the following afternoon saying that his dad is no
longer in pain, and I said, did he pass? And
he said, yes, he passed. And so I will be
going to the funeral in a couple of days. And

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you know, it's inevitable for all of us. But what's
important is is we actually choose the way that we
ultimately come to the end of our life based upon
the choices that we make prior to that, and so
that's why it's so important to make sure that people
understand what are the five stages of how the body
breaks down, and what can you do to avoid that

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or delay that. We're all going to eventually die. Our
bodies eventually run out of steam. Our soul's eternal, but
we're going to transition out of our physical body. And
if you like your body and you like your life,
and you want to stick around as long as you
possibly can, you're going to need to do something very
proactive in order to sustain yourself.

Speaker 1 (12:42):
Yeah. Well, in addition to all the things that we
talk about on a regular basis, one of the things
that I wanted to sort of investigate with you a
little further today was this idea that you could try
to be too clean and that that could actually lead
to one of the things that caused you to get sick.

Speaker 3 (13:01):
Yeah, we definitely need to have a strong microbiome in
order to be healthy. And when you're using antibacterial soaps
and hand sanitizers and all of that, what you inadvertently
don't understand that you're doing to yourself is you're actually
creating future health problems by violating the integrity of your
defense mechanism, which is called your skin, and the skin

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that makes up your digestive tract and your respiratory tracks.
So anytime you're doing something that alters that microbiome on
any surface that ultimately reaches the outside of the body,
what you're doing is you're now opening yourself up to
some level of invasion.

Speaker 1 (13:44):
So actually, by taking away the protective layer that keeps
you healthy, which is actually microbes, healthy microbes, you kill
those off as well as any pathogens that might cause
you harm.

Speaker 3 (13:58):
Right, And so we've become germ obsessed. And the problem
is is that germs are what make up your microbiome
in a healthy way to allow you to be healthy,
and it's because of the level that they can affect
within the body. The powers that be use toxic chemicals

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known to have horriful side effects, and they convince the
consumer that's suffering is part of the process, and the
majority of people go along with it because they don't
have enough understanding to know differently. And it's many layers
deep and manipulating society. But what's important to understand is
God gave you your birthright, which is to be healthy.

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Your job is to exercise that birthright. And many people
who don't exercise on a regular basis, once they start
to exercise their health birthright, there may be some growing pains,
and there may be some pains of exercising things that
you haven't exercised in quite a long time. But I
promise you the one thing that the one gift that

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we've all been given is if you train your body
the right way, I promise you, it's going to get
stronger and it's going to get healthier. And it's just
a question of having the right information and taking the
making the effort in order to create that as an outcome.

Speaker 1 (15:18):
Yeah. And you know, one of the most curious things
I think I found in looking at what we needed
to talk about today was that the number of microbes
in your body are actually a greater number than the
number of human cells in your body.

Speaker 3 (15:33):
Yeah, And that's what we've been told and I believe
for it to be true, except humans don't understand if
they can't see what they underlying the process of health
or sickness, if they don't understand what that process is,
then they don't understand why they get.

Speaker 1 (15:48):
Sick, and.

Speaker 3 (15:50):
Nor do they see the choices they make as being
related to the underlying cause of their dysfunction and their disease.
You know, I've mentioned this before in previous shows. When
they have a sudden infant death syndrome baby, they have
to do an autopsy. And when they do an autopsy
to try to determine what caused the the you know,
newborn child to pass without having lived a normal life,

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they look at the They do an essay on the
microscopic level, the histology of the cells themselves. That's the
word I was looking for. The histology shows the first
stages of heart disease in an infant who hasn't even
lived the year. And that just goes to show you

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that it's so inherent within us. Now, where would a
child get the precursors that would cause the cells to
start producing disease while it's growing inside the mom?

Speaker 1 (16:50):
Well, could that be inherited?

Speaker 3 (16:52):
Well, it's an interesting thought process that has been grossly
thrown onto the human population to thinks that it's an
inherited thing. All behavior either activates or deactivates genes. The
potential for a gene to develop into a disease resides

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in all of us. It has nothing to do with
what we've inherited. It has to do with just the
way that genes work. But if you provoke a gene
in a negative way, it's going to lead to disease.
If you provoke a gene in a positive way, it's
going to lead to more health.

Speaker 1 (17:29):
Well that's interesting because, I mean, there are studies on twins,
identical twins that may have been separated at birth exactly,
and they grew up in different environments. One child ends
up or as an adult has some disease, hard disease, cancer,
whatever it might be, and the other child never shows
the signs of it.

Speaker 3 (17:47):
Right now, they're genetically identical. So what is that demonstrated
demonstrates the environment, the belief system, etc. That goes into
how the being can ducts their life.

Speaker 1 (18:01):
That's called epigenetics.

Speaker 3 (18:02):
That's called epigenetics. And so it's your epigenetics, your environment,
your belief system, the rules and regulations that you con
form to, the food you eat, the food you eat,
the way you dress, the environment you live in. All
of those things influence us and the outcomes that we experience.
And so if you bathe yourself in a bubble of positivity,

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you're gonna produce better outcomes than if you're living in
a war zone.

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Well, that's a great place to close out our first session.
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Speaker 1 (19:32):
Now. In the first section of our show, doc you
were talking a little bit about some of the things
that we might be doing that are overcleaning ourselves, that
sort of excess. Heigien I was talking about. One of
the things that we were talking about was these antimicrobial soaps.
What's the difference between say, a regular soap that you
might use to wash your hands and an antimicrobial soap.

Speaker 3 (19:55):
Well, one cleans and the other one disinfects and leads
to problems and the protective microbiome barrier which ultimately causes sickness.
So the one that is a traditional one like Ivory,
like Dove, like dial those kinds of soaps, like the
bar of soap, the bar of soap that you might

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take a shower with, those are for cleaning. The antimicrobial
ones those are for disinfecting, And it's the disinfecting process
that creates the problem.

Speaker 1 (20:29):
So you may need to use a disinfectant if you
were doing something but where you've got an injury or
something and you wanted to get anything that was potentially
going to cause an infection, Like if you cut yourself,
you might want to have a small area where you're disinfecting. Right, Generally,
if you're just cut your hands dirty, you're in the garden,
gardening or something like that, you would want to just

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use regular soap.

Speaker 3 (20:52):
Right or I see this every day. You walk into
the bank, and sitting on the count before you deal
with the teller behind the protective bulletproof glass, what's sitting.

Speaker 4 (21:07):
On the counter anti microbial, anti microbial hand sanitizers. And
I watch everybody in line take their dose of hand sanitizer.
You know, you walk into these big box stores, right
in the entrance way, they always have hand sanitizer waiting

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for you. And it's become so ubiquitous and at the
same time so dysfunctional, and the average person doesn't eat.
They're doing it because everybody does it and they want
to fit in. But I remember my mom telling me
as a little kid, because I always would want to

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do what my friends were doing, and she would always
throw out the statement, if your friends were jumping off
a bridge, would you want to do that too? And
it's like, okay, just because everybody's doing it doesn't make
it right. And it's the thing that we don't use
most of the time, we don't even engage most of
the time, is our ability to think and to think

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logically and to think in a way of what it
takes in order to support ourselves in an effort to
continue to be healthy. We know that smoking causes cancer.

Speaker 3 (22:20):
We know that we've known it for however long they've
been doing it as tobacco products, and what still goes
on right one of the hugest industries, certainly in this
country is the tobacco industry. We know how bad it is,
it's unequivocally that we all know it. Yet they're still available,

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people still do it. There's still people that do it
at a very high rate. And it's just like, Okay,
what part creates the disconnection between logic and doing something
that's destructive.

Speaker 7 (23:00):
I think people make decisions based on their emotions. Absolutely,
they don't make decisions off logic. If you try to
make a logical argument with somebody who's emotionally proclaimed a
certain decision in their life, you're not going to be
able to convince them, no matter what evidence you might.

Speaker 3 (23:15):
Produce, one hundred percent agree with you. Is an emotional
and why it's important to have techniques to help take
the person out of their non rational emotional state and
bring them back into a rational state of being so
that they can make good choices, not choices that are

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being controlled by negative emotions that they're not even ultimately
conscious of. Because it's all coming out of their unconscious mind, right.

Speaker 1 (23:47):
And when you're dealing with addictive substances like alcohol, caffeine, nicotine,
these substances actually can get to the point where there's
a physical addiction, where the craving is so strong that
you have a very difficult time changing your habit.

Speaker 3 (24:08):
Right, And we experience that with things like the Internet
and playing your computer game and Fortnite and all of
those kinds of things that also go on in society.
There are people who have addictions to shopping, you know.
So there's lots of different things that a person can
be addicted to, and it's being able to address the

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reason for what the addiction is taking the place of
within the individual that doesn't have balance and harmony within them.
But I don't want to get off too much on
a tangent because you started to show off wanting to
talk about excess hygiene and is it possible for us
to be too clean? And the answer is absolutely yes.

Speaker 1 (24:53):
Well that I mean, one of the things that I
wanted to ask about was like with all these antimicrobial
cleaners that you might use on your floors and your
counters and on you're maybe used on your laundry. Is
that one of the things that's leading to the kinds
of cases that we're seeing of asthma because I always
thought asthma was caused by the fact that the pollution

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levels were so high.

Speaker 3 (25:16):
Well, yeah, so when you have an imbalance in how
your cells function, one of the things that happens is
the cells produce excess fluid, and if that excess fluid
actually becomes thick and mucacy, you get excess mucus. And

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it's the excess mucus that ultimately is going to get
trapped in the air passages that ultimately leads to asthma.
And so if you want to address asthma at a
cellular level, what medicine will do is they will give
you an inhaler, which will suppress the cells function to
produce mucus. But if the cell is trying to get

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rid of the garbage that it's being exposed to as
a natural process to bring harmony back to the cell,
suppressing that process is not a smart thing to do. Now,
it may get the person out of crisis, and that's fine.
I don't have any problems with the person who's in
crisis using inhaler, but when the crisis is passed, I

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would appreciate, and I would hope that the person who
had the issue appreciates I need to go fix the
reason so that that never ever happens again. You know,
it's interesting when I see parents whose kids get anaphylaxis
when they're exposed to a certain stimulus, who the mother
carries around an EpiPen when she's out with her child

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because she can't control what the kid's going to get
exposed to in an environment, and she may ultimately end
up needing to give him what's inside the EpiPen. It's
interesting story. I think I've shared this at least once before.
Earlier on in my career, I had a patient friend
of mine whose son played soccer, who also played soccer

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with Robert Kennedy Junior's son, and Robert Kennedy Junior's son
was deathly allergic to peanuts like anaphylaxis peanuts, and so
he created an opportunity for me to go to Robert
Kennedy Junior's house and meet with Robert Kennedy Jr. His wife,
and his son and discuss what I could do to

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help eliminate his anaphylactic response due to peanuts and the
level of response that he had was absolutely insane. The
challenge that I had was trying to communicate effectively and
introduced a technique to Robert Kennedy Junior that he'd never

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experienced before. And unfortunately the gradient for him him to
make up in order for our conversation to go forward,
he just couldn't overcome it at the time, and so
it never went anywhere. But I just find it interesting
that people who are in high levels of understanding, I mean,
he's he's he was an attorney for a long time

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for the environment and understanding what's going on in our
environment and how it's affecting our health. And one of
the things that definitely affects our health is what we
talked about is being too clean and trying to be
hygienically sound and going too far in the wrong.

Speaker 1 (28:37):
Well, is that what is that hyper cleanliness? What's suppressing
your ability to handle?

Speaker 3 (28:43):
And Yeah, if they get rid of all if they
get rid of all the beat cops on the in
the neighborhood, okay, then a crime element could start to
grow because there's no patroling doing walking a beat. Okay,
we'll say, thing with your body if you're using things
that gets rid of all the defense mechanisms that keeps

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our immune system strong. So now things actually get into
the system that should never actually get in. Well, yeah,
now you're going to have more sickness. And so the
challenge is that the United States has a nation and
the planet of human beings that live on it. The
United States more so than any other developed country. The

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health of the people in the United States is absolutely terrible.
But they've made us believe for at least the last
one hundred and twenty years, that it's normal to get sick,
that it's normal to have these problems. It's normal to
develop heart disease, it's normal to grow cancer, it's normal
to have autoimmune disease, it's normal to have high blood pressure.

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And the challenge that I would like the listener to
consider is that the word normal to any of these
health conditions is they don't equate.

Speaker 1 (30:00):
It's the wrong word.

Speaker 3 (30:01):
It's definitely the wrong word. It's very common for people
to get sick, but it's not normal, it's typical. And
so the challenge is is why are we as a
nation of people expecting us to be sick? Why are
we expecting to get cancer. Why are we expecting to
have heart disease? Why are we expecting to have high

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blood pressure? Why are we expecting to develop diabetes? At
a patient a number of years ago, who was her doctor,
was retiring when she was sixty or sixty two, and
she wanted to be proactive, so she wanted to get
a new medical doctor so that if she had a crisis,
she'd already met the person that was going to help her.
So she was being proactive. So she went into this

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medical doctor's office and she filled out the paperwork and
she handed it through the wonderful cubbyhole glass cubby hole
that they had in the reception area, and they called
her back up and said, you missed a form. She says, no,
I'm pretty sure I did all. And they said, well,
you didn't fill out anything on this form. So she
looked at it and it was what medications are you
currently taking? She's like, wellhy, don't take medication. So now

(31:06):
the whole office staff came out from behind the wall
and was trying to understand, well, why don't you or
why aren't you taking cholesterol medication? Why aren't you on
blood pressure medication? Why don't you taking a precursor to
prevent diabetes. Why aren't you doing all of these things?
And she's like, because I don't have any of those problems.
And it was so foreign to the people who lived

(31:26):
in the office because they're used to seeing people that
have problems. My wife just had a particular issue where
I wasn't home, so she had to figure it out
on her own. And what she figured out was because
I couldn't write her a script to go get a ultrasound,
she had to go to a urgent care in order

(31:48):
to get an evaluation for them to write her a
prescription so that she could go get an ultrasound, And
the ultrasound company, even though she was paying for it
out of her own pocket, wouldn't touch her without anybody
being an authority telling her that she needs that they're approved,
even though she was going to pay for it anyway.
And that's the system that we live in. It's so

(32:11):
regulated in a way that you aren't sovereign over your
own health. You actually have to cater to whatever the
system is that's going to help you. And part of
that has to do with the choices that we make
ultimately that cause us to have a weakened immune system.

Speaker 1 (32:30):
Well, it sounds like, you know, we're so afraid of
getting sick that that is one of the things that
is adding to that control. So the fear of getting
sick is causing people then to do this hypervigilant cleaning,
this excess cleanliness in the hopes that that will prevent
them from getting sick.

Speaker 3 (32:52):
Right, and instead of practicing the opposite right, instead of
practicing what it takes in order to just be healthy.
I've shared this before, Mark, and it's but there could
be new listeners. I haven't been sick in roughly thirty
seven years, in spite of the sick people that come

(33:13):
into my office with all sorts of viruses, all sorts
of bacteria, parasitic imbalances, fungal infections, and I have to
touch the areas, I have to wipe their nose. I
have to have them spray on me when they're coughing
or sneezing or what have you, when they're having a
conversation with me, what have you. And I get patients

(33:37):
sometimes to say, doctor Rick, I can't come in today,
and I'm like why is that? Well, I'm sick, and
I'm like, well, that's the best time to come in. Well,
I don't want to get you sick. I'm like, well,
I appreciate your concern, but I will never in any
universe go into agreement with what it is that you
have because that's just not the way that my body functions.
That's just that's not even a thought in my head.

(34:00):
And so yes, come in when you're sick, and let
me help you get back to being healthy, and don't
worry about me picking up on whatever it is that
you have, because I just I would refuse to accept it.
And that's the thing. The choices what I talked about
in the first section, the choices that we make based
upon how we've been brought up and the belief systems
that's been instilled within us cause us to make the

(34:22):
habits that ultimately have consequences. And those consequences could be
if you exercise the right way, your body gets what healthy,
healthy and strong, and if you exercise the wrong way,
then your body gets injured and potentially has sickness. And
so it's just a question. It's not a question of
the activity, it's a question of the application. If you

(34:43):
eat the right food, your body will respond favorably. If
you eat the wrong food, your body will respond unfavorably.
And it's just really that simple. But if you don't
have the knowledge based understanding, because nobody's ever taken the
time to give you that through your formal education or
either through your own interests, then you don't necessarily know

(35:06):
what it takes in order to be healthy and remain healthy.
And if you pay attention to any of the advertisements,
whether it's on television, whether it's on print, or whether
it's on radio, or whether it's on internet or what
have you, and your influenced into making choices because it
sounds viable, but it's not necessarily viable. One of my

(35:28):
professors taught me a very very important premise that I've
always applied in my life. If you see it advertised,
you don't need it, because you're going to go get
the things that you need, whether it's advertised or not.
So most of advertisements are for things that we don't
need that they'd like to influence us to think that

(35:48):
we need it because of what it means if we go.

Speaker 1 (35:50):
Without it, right right, Well, I mean this is very fascinating.
We as we close out the second section of the
show today that we're you know, we're talking talking about health,
we're talking about hygiene, and yet it involves all these
other things. It's a fascinating conversation to be having with you,
Doc Gric, and I do have a number of other

(36:11):
questions on the idea of what the difference between cleanliness
and health is and hygiene and over hygiene, but before
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Speaker 1 (37:00):
You know. One of the things so fascinating that we're
talking about hygiene and yet one of the things I
remember talking to you about is one of the things that
you can benefit your children by letting them do is
to play around in the sandbox, play around in the dirt,
have contact with other people, because it's actually the contact
with some of these things that may cause a sickness

(37:22):
or a cold or something like that. But that's actually
how you build an immune system, is by your immune
system actually responding to the.

Speaker 3 (37:30):
Things being exposed to the pathogen, so that the immune
system has a problem to solve and it will develop
an immune cell that's going to take care of whatever
the pathogen is. It's interesting back during COVID, I knew
when COVID was coming to the country because I'd already

(37:52):
heard the news stories about what was going on over
in Asia, and I knew that it was going to
come here. And I immediately start to try to educate
my patient base to understand that if you strengthen your
immune system now that your body will be able withhand,
with withstands whatever the effects of this new pathogen that

(38:14):
was coming into the country. But ultimately, at the end
of the day, the only way that we were going
to develop a true response was to be exposed. So
the theater of putting on masks and standing six feet
away from every other human being on the planet was
wonderful theater, but at the end of the day, it

(38:34):
actually was probably the last thing that we should have done.
And I tried to have these conversations. When I was
a little kid and I got chicken pox, the whole
neighborhood was invited over to my house because every mom
wanted every one of their children to be exposed to
it so they could just get through it and be
done with it, because it wasn't life threatening.

Speaker 1 (38:57):
Passage when we were growing up.

Speaker 3 (38:59):
Right, And so when the directive came down that said
that this is a really bad pathogen, we need to
isolate everybody, and we need to avoid contact with everybody,
that's exactly the opposite of what it needs to take
in order for the immune system to learn how to

(39:19):
develop a proper immune response. Now, the level of sickness
that people developed was directly measured based upon their health
and their immunity. And so, yeah, initially it affected the
elderly in senior homes. Why because those people's immune systems

(39:39):
are all shut down. Anyway, Okay, you go and take
the temperature of anybody that's in in a senior's home,
and I guarantee you that every one of their temperatures
is well below ninety eight point six, And the temperature
level below ninety eight point six tells you how suppressed
your immune system is. So when you get sick, your

(40:01):
body can't develop a proper immune response, which is to
develop a fever which boils off the pathogen. Low grade
fevers typically viral, high grade fevers typically bacterial. But if
your immune system can't mount a normal immune response, then
the pathogen has an ability to replicate and overwhelm the system,
and then a person ultimately is going to end up dying.

(40:24):
And all pathologists and immunologists all understand that, but that
wasn't the story that was allowed to perpetuate our society.

Speaker 1 (40:36):
And so.

Speaker 3 (40:39):
Having people appreciate what it takes in order to have
a strong immune defense system ties in everything with what
we started the conversation now, which is our hygiene, making
sure that we take care of our hygiene and not
create such an imbalance within our hygiene that our hygiene
doesn't actually support us anymore.

Speaker 1 (40:58):
Yeah, well, I guess that in some ways from a
public health perspective, they were looking at this as a
novel virus that had not been seen before, and so
the lack of anybody having a strong enough immune system,
or at least amongst a large portion of the population,
was a high probability that there would be a low

(41:19):
tolerance for being able to handle the disease, and if
it was spreading as it did, kind of like wildfire
in a drought, They were looking at that overall perspective.

Speaker 3 (41:32):
Right, But the challenge was was that they were approaching
it with a false understanding. The immune system is designed
to fight off pathogens. When you get exposed as a
kid because your mom lets you go out and play
in the dirt, you're being exposed to all the pathogens
that are naturally in the environment, and your immune system

(41:54):
actually learns. That's the second type of immunity, that's the
acquired immunity. Your immune system learns how to problem solve,
so that first exposure, you have an immune strong immune response.
Second exposure, you don't really have any immune response. Why
because the immune system squashes it before it becomes an issue.

Speaker 1 (42:12):
So really the best thing to do would be to
have a stronger immune system and to fight out the
diseases by the system within you, rather than to try
to conquer the world a disease.

Speaker 3 (42:22):
Correct and what we need to do is we need
to feed people real food so that the body can
actually repair itself and builds an immune defense system the
way that it's supposed to build. The more crap food
that we eat, the worse our health is going to be.
Obesity is a starvation disease. All health conditions, all disease

(42:44):
states are nutritional deficiencies. If we would go back to
growing real food and not Bill Gates mutated food, we
wouldn't have the issues that we have. But since the
powers that be are looking to make as much profit
as possible off the people that live off this planet

(43:05):
by them creating disease, they're guaranteed to have profit, and
that is morally and ethically unacceptable.

Speaker 1 (43:15):
Right. But I mean, I do think that we you know,
we live most people are living now in urban environments
where you're not farming, you're not growing your own food,
and so people are all running into the local grocery
store if they have one, and buying the food that's
on the shelf. But they're doing so much to try
to fill those shells with lots of food that they're

(43:38):
declining the quality of the food that they're putting on the.

Speaker 3 (43:40):
Shelf correct and if you've done any research, which I
know you do a lot of research, so it won't
surprise me if you're already aware of this. There are
ways to create all the food your family would need
in a six foot by three foot garden. That's amazing,

(44:03):
and you can do it outside, or you could even
do it inside. You can grow all the food that
your body would need to live and be healthy. But
people don't necessarily have the understanding of how to do that.

(44:23):
Maybe people don't want to take the time to do that,
all the trials and errors and how long it's going
to take to get a truly good crop coming out
of whatever it is that you're growing. I think it
would be important for society to learn how to do
that so that we can all be self sufficient for ourselves,

(44:44):
and whatever excess we have we can donate to people
who are still going through the learning process. Because I
know lots of farmers, and I know lots of farmers
that produce a crop that they can't possible use fast
enough to keep up with how fast nature is producing

(45:05):
the crop. You know, when I drive from Georgia up
to New York, I can't tell you the number of
corn fields that I go past. And it's interesting to
see because in some areas there's two seasons of corn.
They'll grow corn twice on a plot of land because
the season is long enough for them to get two

(45:25):
crops out of it. And it's like, okay, but everybody
knows this about corn. Corn goes in hole and corn
comes out hole. Why because what they've done to corn
over the years makes it so that the digestive system says, yeah,
there's nothing nutritious here for us because it's not real.

(45:46):
So it just gives a free pass, speed pass right
through the whole digestive system to come out the other end.
So we need to be aware of what is real,
what versus what is not real that is being sold
as well.

Speaker 1 (46:01):
In wonder about being able to can you actually find
foods that are going to help you deplete to foster
an immune system that's been depleted.

Speaker 3 (46:11):
Absolutely, you just have to have somebody that can point
out what are those different types of foods necessary in
order to do that. But what I can tell you
is any food that is high in calcium like spinach,
any food that is high in vitamin C, okay, like
all of your fruits and vegetables. Okay. Calcium helps to

(46:34):
keep the cells big and full and what's known as
the tight junctions keeps them tight. Vitamin C feeds the macrofages,
which is the primary immune cell. That is its job
is to go attack anything that gets in that doesn't
belong in the body. So by maintaining high concentrations of

(46:56):
whole food calcium and maintaining high food constant traditions of
whole food vitamin C, okay, those are two the main
ingredients to help build strong community.

Speaker 1 (47:07):
But if I go to the the health food store
or the drug store and bite vitamins on the shelf,
and we've talked about this before of them or crap,
I'm not getting a whole food so right, what is
a whole food vitamin?

Speaker 3 (47:21):
In that case, a whole food vitamin is a complete
vitamin made from food, not made from isolated chemicals. The
ones that are sold at your GNC is, your vitamin shops,
your Walmarts, whatever. Okay, they got a whole section with
all sorts of different brands with twenty different vitamin E supplements. Okay,

(47:44):
turn them over and look at what the percentage of
the RDA is and if it's above one hundred percent,
just know that it's chemical and you're not going to
get a healing response. You're not going to get health response,
you're not going to get a proper immune response, okay,
because you're lacking some of there taking in chemicals as
opposed to real food, real nutrition. Okay, but if you

(48:07):
can get a quality whole food supplement. And the main
company that I use is a supplement company called Standard Process.
They've been making whole food supplements since nineteen twenty nine.
So we're coming up on their one hundred year anniversary
in five years. Less than five years, okay, they've been
doing the same process for one hundred years because their

(48:30):
founder of their company was a dentist who found a
cure for cavities in the nineteen twenties that you've never
heard of, ever heard of it because the American Dental
Association didn't want to redo how they help people. They
couldn't make a big enough profit, they couldn't put toxic
mercury into people's heads. Okay, And so that's what's gone

(48:52):
on since then. But people who truly understand what health
is and what it takes in order to maintain health,
all of it starts with your newture trition. And if
they've modified our nutrition so much so that it's hard
for us to get quality ingredients, then you need to
either find a farmer that's doing the growing themselves, or
you need to create a six foot by three foot

(49:14):
garden in your basement or in your backyard or wherever
it is that you're going to allow you to tend
to it, and you tend to it a little bit
every day, and you'll be blessed with more food than
you could ever possibly imagine.

Speaker 1 (49:26):
Now, one of the things that if you've depleted your
immune system and the microbes that are healthy for you,
your microbiome, one of the things you talk about quite
often is to replenish that using a probiotic. Correct, What
does a probiotic do for you that helps you recover
from the fact that you have taken on these various

(49:49):
forms of.

Speaker 3 (49:52):
Antimicrobial Right, So, in your digestive tract, there's three main ingredients.
There's yeast, there's candidia, and then there's good bacteria or
all the bacteria, good, the bad, and the ugly. Okay,
when you take an antibiotic, when you drink alcohol, when
you eat too much refined sugar, when you take artificial
colors flavors, when you use chlorine, when you use fluoride,

(50:18):
when you use bromide, when you use artificial colors, etc.
All of those things create an imbalance when those three
main ingredients the yeast, the candidia, and the good bacteria.
So taking a probiotic puts back the good bacteria that
you're wiping out every single time you have a beer,
or every single time you take an antibiotic, or every

(50:39):
single time you take a medication, or every single time
you take an over the counter medication, or every single
time you drink a glass of really high chlorine type water,
or fluoride in your toothpaste, or bromide in your flower
based products. So taking a probiotic gives you a chance
to maintain integrity within your microbiome so that you can

(51:02):
actually break your food down and absorb it in a
normal fashion so.

Speaker 1 (51:05):
Well that those probiotics will they help you restore your
microbiome and actually help play a role in preventing diseases
like diabetes.

Speaker 3 (51:15):
And absolutely and making sure that you have high quality
whole food Vitamin C to stimulate your immune cells to
fight off infection, and making sure you have enough high
quality calcium to maintain the integrity of the gaps between
the cells so that nothing gets in that doesn't belong in.

Speaker 1 (51:33):
So does that same microbiome affect you in terms of
preventing things like depression and emotional imbalance.

Speaker 3 (51:39):
There is an aspect that they've done research on that
a person's microbiome could potentially lead to what ends up
causing depression or anxiety or what have you. And so
putting in good bacteria to help maintain that proper balanced microbiome, yes,
can have positive benefits on any one of those types
of anxiety depression imbalances.

Speaker 1 (52:01):
You mentioned antibiotics, But antibiotics have nothing to do with
the hyper hygiene issue that we're talking about. Actually, actually
they do, they do.

Speaker 3 (52:12):
Okay, So when you're using anti bacterial soap that's antibiotics
in your soap and you're lathering up with that and
spreading it all over your skin, what do you think
you're doing. You're destroying the microbiome on the outside of
your body, which is now allowing things to get in
through your skin and get into the system. And once

(52:33):
it's in the bloodstream. Now the internal aspect of your
body has to fight, and ultimately that's going to impede
your body's ability to have a normal immune response, which
is going to create an immune deficiency and an immune weakness,
which is just going to open up the doors for
more problems.

Speaker 1 (52:50):
Well, this is you know, this has been a fascinating conversation, Doctric,
and it's really interesting to see how much we have
to deal with in terms of your health around by
proper cleanliness as opposed to excess hygiene. I'm sure there
are people out there that would like to find out
more information. We might want to contact you. What are
the best ways to reach out to you.

Speaker 3 (53:11):
Best way to reach out to me would be to
call my cell phone directly at airy code eight four
five five six one two two two five again eight
four five five six one two two two five. That
is my cell phone. If I don't answer the phone,
please leave a message and I will call you back
as soon as I get the message. Uh, you can
text that phone, although I'm very slowly getting back to

(53:32):
text just because that's not the way that my world works.
But if you want to text me, it's better if
you call me. Uh. People don't like to talk on
the phone. That's a dysfunction we have in society anymore.
People don't like to talk, which is somewhat ridiculous. But
call me, text me. You can email me at doc

(53:53):
ricdoc ri c k at spineboy dot com. So call me,
email me, text me, whatever the case happens to be.
I want to help you with your health, so please
The only way we can do that is if you
start to ask questions so I can give you the
answers and get you on the right path. And so
I want to thank you for tuning in this week.
I appreciate your listenership. Please tune back in next week,

(54:14):
same health time, same ol station. I wish you all
a happy holiday season, and uh we'll be back with
you next week.

Speaker 2 (54:24):
My position, he said, you're definitely ill.

Speaker 3 (54:27):
Then said the nurse, I've seen worse to the doctor
just gave me a pill. Take one of those three.

Speaker 1 (54:32):
Times a day.

Speaker 2 (54:32):
You don't ever stop up till you're dirty, dead or
almost better, keep out of the reach of children. I
thinks that might be some side effects.

Speaker 1 (54:40):
Mean probably will.

Speaker 2 (54:42):
Well fat come back?

Speaker 3 (54:44):
And I give you one out of the pill. On
top of that, on top of that, on top of that,
on top of that,