Episode 123: Kidney Blood Pressure

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:04):
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Speaker 5 (00:36):
Welcome to When Your Health Matters. Your host is doctor
Richard Huntoon of Advanced Alternative Medicine Center located right here
in Pool of Georgia. Doctor Hantoon has been practicing alternative health,
utilizing chiropractic and many other health techniques for the past
twenty seven years to support you when your health matters.
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Speaker 6 (01:23):
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Speaker 7 (01:27):
Welcome to this week's show, When Your Health Matters, the
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Speaker 8 (01:41):
So, Doc, we're continuing our conversation surrounding issues for the winter,
and as we discussed last week, we were talking about
the kidneys as being the number one organ around the
water element. So I wanted to get a little bit
more insight into what is important about looking at the
kidneys now that we're in January.

Speaker 7 (02:02):
Well, kidney's being the primary organ that helps to deal
with bodily fluids. In the Chinese five element theory of health,
kidneys and bladder are associated with the water element. We
have water, we have wood, we have fire, We have
earth and we have metal, and water is most active

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between the beginning of winter through the later end of February.
Then we get into the wood element, which picks up
in March and runs through the first part of May.
And then we have the fire element, which is active
from the rest of May through the middle of August.

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And we have the earth element from the middle of
August that runs through just before Halloween. And then we
have the metal element that runs from just before Halloween
all the way through when winter starts, and then we

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start to cycle over again.

Speaker 3 (03:06):
And so.

Speaker 7 (03:08):
Kidney's being the most important organ of the body, it's
important to understand that we want to maintain healthy kidneys.
The Kidney Association talks about how eighty percent of people
that live in this country are going to develop some
level of kidney disease. They're not really talking about how

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to prevent kidney disease, but they are making people aware
of the fact that you want to have your kidneys
looked at regularly as you continue to age, because there's
an eighty percent chance that you're going to have some
sort of kidney pathology and kidney disease. So this being
the time of year where the energy is highest in
the kidneys. It's important to make sure that you're addressing

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your kidney health by staying properly hydrated, which we talked
about last week, and just making sure that the kidneys
have everything that they need with the minerals and.

Speaker 3 (04:07):
The water itself.

Speaker 8 (04:08):
Well, you know, it seems like in the West because
people are always talking about heart disease and heart attacks
and that's the number one killer and all this kind
of thing. What is it that has differentiated the Chinese
medical theory which says the kidneys are the most important
organ and are I think maybe laid perception that the

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heart is the most important.

Speaker 7 (04:31):
Organ well, because so many people suffer from heart disease
because we don't know about the importance of food and
we are all addicted to sugar and that creates the
basis for developing heart disease, and so many people suffer
from high cholesterol and heart.

Speaker 3 (04:51):
Disease and heart attacks.

Speaker 7 (04:52):
And heart attacks is very, very scary because everybody knows
somebody that at some point in their life they're affiliated
with somebody that has had a heart attack, and so
they've done a good job in the American Medical Association
of promoting heart disease and how it's quote the number
one killer in our society, and this, that and.

Speaker 3 (05:13):
The other thing.

Speaker 7 (05:14):
And so we don't necessarily talk so much about kidney
health because it's not a very sexy disease to talk about,
if you will.

Speaker 8 (05:26):
But I mean, there's all these dialysis treatment centers that
you see everywhere now where people are having to go
in several times a week.

Speaker 7 (05:34):
Right, And that's the sad part, is the fact that
we have not really made people aware of. Of course,
you know, I remember I used to be a competitive driver,
and so I would go to different driving events and
I would, you know, say hello and talk to other people.

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And you know, obviously it wasn't my primary job. It
was something that I did for recreation, and so other
people there were also doing it for recreation. And the
guy that was staged in the pit next to me,
he worked for a company that manufactured stints and manufactured
pacemakers and all of that was related to the heart

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And so I asked him, I said, are you guys
even looking for the reasons why you need your products
so much?

Speaker 3 (06:25):
And he was like, why would we do that?

Speaker 7 (06:27):
We'd have the ability to threaten the survival of our company.
If we understood what causes the need for putting in
a stint or what causes the need to put in
a pacemaker, if we understood that, then our product would
become obsolete. And so it's it's just sad that we
live in a culture of citizen reas where there's not

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a lot of people that are looking for true solutions.
They're looking to monetize whatever it is that they have
and promote it and so over the years. Because heart
disease is the number two killer in our country. Uh,
there's a lot of understandings in and around heart disease
and making that the most important organ in the body.

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But your heart isn't other than yes, it's important because
that's where spirit lives. Realistically, your heart is a glorified
pump and what it does is it just pumps blood.
It's the main organ that helps the pump blood all
the way around the body.

Speaker 1 (07:32):
But I mean, are the.

Speaker 8 (07:33):
Kidneys just a filtering organ? It just kind of filters.

Speaker 7 (07:37):
It is a filter organ, but it's the what it's
filtering and how it maintains the functioning of that filtration
system is what makes the difference between life and death
of the person.

Speaker 8 (07:49):
So and and the adrenal glands are closely related to
the kidney and.

Speaker 7 (07:54):
Actually on top of the kidneys. And so the adrenal
glands is to sit on top of each kidney, helps
with adrenaline and helps with the fight flight response, et cetera.

Speaker 3 (08:06):
And the.

Speaker 7 (08:11):
Conserving of sodium and making sure that the sodium potassium
pump within the cells functions properly and maintain proper blood pressure,
et cetera. So that's what the adrenals do with the
help of the kidneys.

Speaker 8 (08:25):
And so what would you say are like some of
the most common misconceptions about the proper hydration you need
to have and what it does for your kidney health.

Speaker 7 (08:36):
Well, if you maintain proper hydration, which ultimately is about
one quart of water for every fifty pounds you weigh,
and you want to do that every single day. So
if you weigh one hundred pounds, you need two quarts
of water. If you weigh one hundred and fifty pounds,
you need three quarts. If you weigh two hundred pounds,
you need a gallon of water every day, and you
want to do that every single day. And what that

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does for the kidneys is it keeps them properly high,
It keeps the body hydrated, keeps the brain hydrated, and
having all of that go on the way that it's
supposed to ultimately is what allows the body to maintain
normal function. And so if you aren't properly hydrated, your
kidneys are going to start to struggle. And when your

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kidneys struggle for a long enough period of time, then
you can develop the basis for kidney failure. And if
you develop kidney failure, you're not long for this world.

Speaker 8 (09:29):
Now, I mean, I mean your kidneys are filtering your blood.
So if you keep enough, if you're hydrated enough, then
your blood is fluid enough that it would be easier
I guess for that kidneys to do their JAVA filtration.

Speaker 7 (09:46):
Yes, for the kidneys to do their JAVA filtration, and
for the the blood to be clear and clean and
being able to efficiently transport things from you know, the
digestive system through the heart out to and the lungs
out to the rest of the tissues in order to
maintain the proper nutrition. There the delivering of oxygen while

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picking up carbon dioxide so that the body can get
rid of the waste products. And it's important to make
sure that your blood is clean and clear and filtering
and strong and working the way that it's supposed to work,
so that every other organ associated with blood passing through
it also functions well because the blood is what carries
the nutrition to the different organs, glands, and tissues.

Speaker 8 (10:34):
I mean, it's kind of interesting that, you know, you
began your career before you went into your graduate school,
you were thinking about being a cardiothoracic surgeon, and now
as we're talking about this as being the most important
organ of the body, how did it come to be
that this sort of Chinese medical theory, which is the

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orientation that says the kidneys are the most important, how
did that become part of your practice.

Speaker 7 (11:05):
Being somebody that takes my role as being a healthcare
provider very seriously, I want to make an impact. I
want to make a difference. I want to solve the
health issues of the people that come to me and
choose to employ me as.

Speaker 3 (11:21):
Their health care provider.

Speaker 7 (11:25):
I can't do something without having a goal associated with it,
and so when a person comes to me and they
have an issue, my first goal is to understand what
their issue is. My second goal is to give them
hope once I understand what their issue is. My third
goal is to fix the problem to the highest level

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of possibility for that particular person, depending upon the chronicity
of their issue, and restore normal health to the best
of my ability. And that's my folk, that's my intention,
that's everything that's important to me in terms of helping

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my patient is to empower them to take back control
of their health with my guidance.

Speaker 8 (12:15):
Now, in light of the Chinese theory that you've done,
the Chinese talk about chi or vital energy, and that
this is what you're nurturing, and that the kidneys are
very key to be able to have that basically life
force energy that you're supporting there. So how do the
kidneys actually support that?

Speaker 7 (12:36):
Well, the kidneys support that in the sense that your
kidneys are your most important organ They're the ones who
deal with the fluid levels and the maintenance of the electrolytes,
et cetera.

Speaker 3 (12:45):
And so.

Speaker 7 (12:47):
The kidneys are actually also associated with reproduction. The testicles
in the mail actually descend from the kidneys and eventually
find their way into the scrotum. But all of that
is tied into your reproductive health is closely related to

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kidney function. They actually pair it under the fire element,
which is most active during the summertime. But you know,
male reproductive health starts with kidneys and making sure that
the kidneys are functioning the way that they're supposed to.

Speaker 3 (13:27):
And so.

Speaker 7 (13:29):
When you're born, you're born with a certain amount of
what you mentioned, which is chi, which is the energy
potential of the body. We're all born with a certain
amount of CHI, and that's what's called the vital chi,
which is the chi that we're born with. It's it's
vital for the.

Speaker 3 (13:51):
Living of the organism or the or the person. Uh.

Speaker 7 (13:54):
And so it's it's important for us to take care
of that vital energy or the vital chi, because once
you run out of that, your kidneys are going to
start to shut down and you're not going to be
living very long.

Speaker 1 (14:07):
Yeah, And I noticed that people have.

Speaker 8 (14:11):
Kidney transplants, and that means that somebody is either deceased
and has donated their organs or sometimes a living person
can donate a kidney. So you have two kidneys, what
would the consequences of be of giving up one of
those kidneys or losing one of those kidneys?

Speaker 7 (14:32):
Well, you're going to work the kidney that's left over
a little bit harder for yourself, and if you're replacing,
like if a person needs a kidney transplant because they
don't have two functioning kidneys, you can function with just
one kidney. And that's not how we were designed. We

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were designed with two kidneys, and I believe the creator
designed us that way purposefully and for us to have
the ability to modify the creator's original plan. That's helpful
under those types of circumstances, but it's not ideal. So

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we're meant to have two kidneys. We should all have
two kidneys. But there are isolated circumstances where one may
need to have a kidney donated to them because they
didn't take care of the kidney that they had, or
they developed disease that destroyed the kidneys that they had.

Speaker 8 (15:31):
Would cause the kidneys to stop functioning well.

Speaker 7 (15:37):
Lots of things, not being properly hydrated, not having proper
nerve innervation to the kidneys that regulate kidney function, not
having enough proper nutrition for the kidneys, maintaining proper kidney function,
putting certain chemicals in that stress out the kidneys that

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caused the kidneys to overwork can eventually go on strike.

Speaker 3 (16:03):
That's a particular issue. You know, there's.

Speaker 7 (16:06):
Lots of things that we do and are unaware of
that we're doing that can impact the health and functioning
of our kidneys.

Speaker 3 (16:13):
And so.

Speaker 7 (16:15):
The purpose of this show today is to give people
a better understanding of their kidneys so.

Speaker 3 (16:19):
That they may choose to.

Speaker 7 (16:23):
Make their kidney health more of a priority rather than
becoming one of those eighty percent statistics that says that
you've developed chronic kidney disease.

Speaker 1 (16:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (16:32):
And another problem that may not be chronic, but it's
certainly a huge problem is kidney stones.

Speaker 7 (16:39):
Yes, kidney stones are precipitation of calcium that gets trapped
into the kidney filtration system itself that leads to the
deposition of calcium within the inner part of the kidneys
that ultimately congest to the point where they develop kidney stones.

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To pass a kidney stone, I'm told, because I've never
experienced either of them, is the most severe pain that
a person can have. It's more painful than passing a
human being out the birth canal, and a woman, women
who've had who've given birth to a child, and women

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who have had kidney stones and have experienced both. They
will tell you that passing a kidney stone is more
painful than giving birth to a child, and kidney stones
aren't that big, whereas a child is pretty big. Kenny
as much as ten to eleven twelve pounds.

Speaker 8 (17:40):
Would you know that you might have kidney stones because
you're getting in back ache? Could that be one of
those symptom?

Speaker 7 (17:46):
A back ache would be a symptom of potentially having
kidney stones. But the average person isn't necessarily going to
know that they have a kidney stone, or wouldn't even
think that they have a kidney stone unless they don't
drink enough water. The color of their urine is.

Speaker 3 (18:05):
Always very dark.

Speaker 7 (18:08):
Dark urine indicates that you are dehydrated, and so if
you don't have enough fluid passing through your kidneys, then
whatever minerals and electrolytes and trace minerals that are passing
through the kidneys for filtration are going to get deposited
into the kidney and eventually that's going to lead to

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kidney stones.

Speaker 8 (18:30):
Well, this is a fascinating conversation. I think that gives
us a good basis on what's going on with kidney health.
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Speaker 8 (19:36):
So now that we have a little bit better understanding
of the kidney and what the kidney does in terms
of your health, what did a sort of change our
direction a little bit and talk about blood pressure and
which I think relates to kidney health. But what exactly
is blood pressure. What are we measuring when we measure
blood pressure.

Speaker 7 (19:54):
Well, blood pressure is the amount of pressure that exists
within the blood vessels, and that the pressure in the
blood vessels change based upon what the heart is doing.
When the heart is pumping, the blood pressure is going
to be high. Is the high number when they take
blood pressure when the blood when the heart is actually

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relaxed and filling. Then that's the second number that you
hear when they're taking blood pressure. So the first number
is called your systolic pressure. That's when the pressure is
highest within the blood vessels. You obviously don't want that
number to be so high that the integrity and the
strength and the ability to keep the blood inside the

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blood vessel walls is threatened if the blood pressure is
too high. If the systolic number is too high, then
you could rupture an artery, and that wouldn't be a
good thing because then the blood would not flow the
way that it's supposed to. You don't want to give

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yourself some kind of stroke. You don't want to burst
a blood vessel. Certainly don't want to burst a blood
vessel because your blood pressure is too high. So when
they look at your blood pressure, the first number, as
I said, is your systolic That tells you the amount
of force and pressure that's within the system when the
heart is actually pushing blood out of the heart out

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to the body. And then when the heart relaxes and
starts to fill, that's a lower pressure number, and that's
called your diastolic pressure. And you don't want that number
to be too high either, because you want the body
to be able to relax between beats. So when you
get a diastolic number that's above one hundred, okay, that's

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putting more stress within the whole cardiovascular system, and over
time that would become problematic. And likewise, if the systolic
number is up over two hundred, that's when the heart
is actually contracted. That's when the pressure is highest. You
don't want that number to be too high either, because again,
we what we don't want is we don't want to

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to burst a pipe, so to speak, because the complications
of that can be very severe and life threatening. So
so blood pressure itself is the measurement between when the
heart is contracting and the blood pressure. That the pressure
is highest that's called systolic, and when the heart is

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relaxed and filling the pressure goes down, and that's the
lower number, which is your diastolic And so that's essentially
what blood pressure is.

Speaker 8 (22:38):
So and and the kidneys actually relate to this blood pressure.
How do how does that relationship work?

Speaker 7 (22:45):
The kidneys self to regulate the sodium potassium imbalance with
the help of the adrenal glands which sit above the kidneys,
that secrete a hormone that either cause the body to
conserve excess sodium which retains water with it, which ultimately
can potentially drive the blood pressure up, versus releasing the sodium,

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which is called aldosterone escape, which allows the sodium levels
to go down less conservation of water, which takes the
pressure out of the system.

Speaker 8 (23:18):
So there's always a certain level of pressure within the
vascular system hopefully, and that pressure ranges between these kind
of these two numbers. I mean, it ranges between the
relaxed phase of the heart and the and the pumping
phase of the heart. And what is it about the
blood pressure that helps the blood to circulate? Is that

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is that differential that allows the blood to circulate.

Speaker 7 (23:48):
The pressure itself when one takes the blood pressure, they're
talking about the integrity of the vascular system. And whether
it's the blood vessels have a lot of gunk clogging
up the walls of the blood vessels. So when the
blood vessels, the smaller blood vessel gets, the more pressure

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that's within that vascular system, like.

Speaker 1 (24:11):
A narrower water.

Speaker 7 (24:12):
Yes, so if you have a large pipe that progressively
shrinks down into a small pipe, the water pressure at
the large pipe is going to be significantly lower than
when it gets to the small pipe. It's just the
water itself going through it is going to create more pressure.

Speaker 1 (24:34):
And so.

Speaker 7 (24:37):
When the blood pressure, the heart is the one that is,
like I said, a glorified pump that actually pumps the
blood around and helps the blood circulate. And the amount
of stress that's on the heart and within the vascular
system is going to depend and be directly related to
the level of heart disease and the level of vascular

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disease that a person has. If the pressure is too high,
the body's going to have to respond to that by
laying down more tissue and repair products within the blood vessels,
which could be in the heart themselves, ultimately leading to
a heart attack, or could be within the body proper itself,
which could lead to an aneurysm where the blood vessel

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wall expands abnormally, or.

Speaker 3 (25:28):
You know, you.

Speaker 7 (25:28):
Could get a piece of the crud that's building up
on the inside of the blood vessel wall due to
the dietary issues that people have, and if a piece
of that breaks off, that's ultimately going to lead to
a stroke.

Speaker 8 (25:43):
Now, you said that a blood pressure systolic reading over
two hundred and a diastolic pressure of over one hundred
or two numbers that you said would be extreme highs.
What should a normal blood pressure be and is there
a range of of that would be acceptable for somebody
to be in good health?

Speaker 7 (26:03):
Well, depending upon your fitness level and how much your
heart beats over the course of a minute, the lower
your heart rates, the healthier a person's cardiovascular system is.
So the average person walking around today, their pulse is

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roughly probably around seventy to seventy five. Okay, when you
get a well conditioned athlete, then their pulse rate may
be half that because they get twice as much results
out of one beat that the average person needs two beats.
So the less your heart beats, the healthier you are.

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Unless you have a condition that is interfering with your
body's heart stability to beat. But the more aerobic activity
that you do, the more you're training your heart to
be efficient, and then it doesn't need to work so hard.
So the heart being a glorified pump that moves blood

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in and around and through the body. The pressure that's
associated with that is something that all doctors monitor. And
again we went over the higher number being the systolic,
the lower number being the diastolic. The systolic is when
the heart is maximumly contracted, where the pressure is highest,
and the diastolic is where the heart is relaxed and filling.

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And so it's when you get the love dub that
you hear when you listen to somebody's heart. Those are
the upper chambers and the lower chambers opening and closing
in an effort to pass blood through the heart, up
to the lungs, back from the lungs through the heart,
and then back out to the body itself. And so

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wanting to make sure that the pressure isn't too high
or isn't too low is what helps to maintain balance
within the body. So because of the issues that we
have within our diets and the kinds of things that
we eat and the excess amounts of what it is
that we eat. Ultimately that leads to heart disease, and
ultimately it leads to blood pressure issues. The challenge with

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blood pressure is hypertension, also known as high blood pressure,
is what's called a silent killer because it doesn't necessarily
come with symptoms. But the longer your blood pressure stays high,
the more pressure there is within the cardiovascular system, and
ultimately that leads to heart disease and potentially other complications

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related to that.

Speaker 8 (28:41):
Mm So, I mean, I mean, I know, typically I
hear about one over eighty is gonna? Is that just
an ideal number or is that you know, at what
point do you consider it high blood pressure?

Speaker 1 (28:54):
And what kind of was too low?

Speaker 7 (28:56):
Well, it's there's another subtle number that most people aren't
necessarily aware of that we've talked about in past years
when doing the show, and it's called pulse pressure. And
pulse pressure is the number when you take the systolic,
the upper number, the bigger number, and you subtract the
lower number. Okay, that's the difference between a maximum contraction

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and a maximum relaxation. The difference between those numbers. You
want to keep somewhere between thirty and fifty, okay. If
it gets above that, okay, then there's more stress on
the heart if it's if it's below that, then the
heart isn't relaxing long enough in order, and then that's
too much stress in the system too.

Speaker 3 (29:37):
And so.

Speaker 7 (29:39):
When I take somebody's blood pressure, I do it in
three positions. I do it seated, I do it standing,
and then I do it laying down. And I want
to see how the body responds to those three changes
in position when you go from seated to standing. If
you've ever gotten lightheaded when you stand up too quickly,
that's where your body's your adrenal system isn't responding properly,

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and you get a thing called orthostatic hypotension to where
the blood pressure doesn't respond the way that it should,
so the blood doesn't get pumped up.

Speaker 3 (30:08):
To your brain.

Speaker 7 (30:09):
Your brain is lacking blood for a short period of times.
That causes you to get lightheaded, and you may actually
pass out, or you may just get a little bit
woozy for five or six seconds before the light's turn
back on again fully, and then you can go about
your business, okay, understanding whether that's happening or not. Gives
us an understanding of what's going on within the cardiovascular system.

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And so when you look at a person's blood pressure,
you want your pulse pressure, the difference between the systolic
and the diastolic. You want it to be between thirty
and fifty. And when you get above that, you start
to run into problems. And when you get below that,
you start to run into problems. And so if you
take the what's halfway between thirty and fifty, forty forty.

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So forty is the ideal number between your systolic or
theupper number, and the diastolic, which is the lower number.
So the one hundred and twenty, which is systolic over eighty,
which is diastolic, the difference between those two is forty,
and that's your pulse pressure. So that is an ideal number.
But you can get an ideal number by I don't know,

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doing one hundred and thirty over ninety, or by doing
one hundred and ten over seventy. That's still maintaining a
pulse pressure of forty, okay. But what you don't want
is you don't want a blood pressure of let's say
one hundred and sixty over seventy because now your pulse
pressure is essentially one hundred.

Speaker 1 (31:40):
So you're getting ninety like a shockwave.

Speaker 7 (31:42):
Right, So there's a big shockwave from when it's maximumly
contracted to where it's relaxed and filling. And so the
larger the gap between those two numbers, the more stress
that's on the heart. And eventually, I mean, if your
heart is beating, you know, seventy thousand times a day,

(32:03):
you're getting into some if that the difference between where
it's beating versus relaxing and filling. The higher that number is,
the more stress that's on the heart. Eventually, the heart's
just going to quit.

Speaker 8 (32:16):
The heart's just I mean, it is making the heart
work that much harder.

Speaker 3 (32:19):
Yeah, to do his job now, you know.

Speaker 8 (32:23):
I mean, it seems like a lot of this stuff
is not readily known. I mean, we hear a lot
of things that people have high blood pressure, the risks
of stroke increase. But the stroke is the breaking down
of the blood vessels, right that when you have a
sudden aneurysm or something of that nature, or a stroke

(32:47):
can be caused by the plaquing in the arteries.

Speaker 7 (32:50):
Yeah, that gets dislodged and then goes to a restriction
within the piping itself and blocks blood flow to that area.
That's what a stroke is called. If it happens in
your lung, it's an embolism. If it happens in your brain,
it's a stroke. If it happens in your calves, it's
it's called a blood cloth an embolism. And so depending

(33:12):
upon where the problem is happening is, it's none of
them are good understanding what's going on, which is why
it's happening is ultimately what needs to be addressed within
that person. And that's one of the things that I
really focus on is trying to understand why the person
has the problem, not necessarily just understanding what the problem is,

(33:34):
because if you don't address the why, then what never
goes away. And you know, some of what are healthcare
professionals do that are medically oriented is they'll do a
lot to mask symptoms, but they won't do anything to
actually fix the problem.

Speaker 8 (33:50):
Right, I mean, if you're I mean, if you have
really severe kidney problems, then you're using dialysis. It's essentially
because your kidneys have failed to do their job and
you need.

Speaker 7 (34:01):
Right because of the abuse over time, and now you
need something to outsource in order to take place of
the fun the vital functioning of the most important organ
in your body, which is your kidneys, and so making
sure that doesn't happen by making sure that you keep

(34:21):
an eye on your what your blood pressure is doing,
and don't artificially try to lower it by taking medication.
Medication is fine to get you out of crisis, but
it's not something that you want to become dependent upon.
But the challenge is the doctor that prescribes blood pressure medication,
as far as he's concerned, his job is done. But

(34:41):
from a patient perspective, you still got a lot of
work to do because you need to address the reason
for why you have by blood pressure.

Speaker 8 (34:49):
Now, your blood pressure is going to change depending on
if you're like a scuba diver who's going under the water,
is going deeply underwater, the pressures that they're under from
the environment change. That's going to change their blood pressure.

Speaker 1 (35:03):
Isn't it.

Speaker 3 (35:04):
It is?

Speaker 7 (35:04):
And so as a scuba diver who's scuba dived in
several different areas around the world, Yeah, that's why you
have what are called safety stops when you go from
a deeper part of the ocean to when you're coming
up to the surface. You don't just want to go

(35:25):
from let's say, one hundred feet below the surface of
the ocean right up to the surface of the ocean.

Speaker 3 (35:30):
Even if a.

Speaker 7 (35:30):
Shark is trying to attack you. You know, you don't
want to just go up because you'll you'll end up
creating what's called the bends, because you've got potential for
too much oxygen within the blood, causing.

Speaker 3 (35:45):
An annuals not an aneurysm, but causing a.

Speaker 7 (35:50):
Wow, I lost the name of this condition, and it's
not coming back. But suffice to say that that there
there's a reason why you do will gradual a sense
when you're scuba diving, because you want your body to
be able to acclimate due to decreasing the pressure. The
deeper you go, the more pressure. So when you're coming

(36:13):
back up and you're taking the pressure out of the system,
you want to give your body the ability to adapt
to that change in pressure so as to not create
problems and potentially giving yourself some kind of stroke or
vascular accident as a result.

Speaker 8 (36:29):
Well, this is it's always so fascinating to have these
conversations with you, Doc Rick. The amount of information that
you are able to impart over these shows is really important.
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Speaker 8 (37:37):
So in our conversation today about about blood pressure, and
I know that we talked a bit about the differences
and the and the pulse presressure, is that the key
that you want to actually pay attention to know whether
you're having a high blood pressure issue or.

Speaker 1 (37:55):
Could it just be just the numbers being.

Speaker 8 (37:58):
You know, elevate like one sixty over one ten would
be wouldn't that be high blood pressure?

Speaker 7 (38:03):
That would be high blood pressure. And the interesting thing
is is what what you want to do is you
want to when you go in and they take your
blood pressure, you want to have them take your blood
pressure in three positions. You want to start by having
them take your blood pressure seated. When they get that number,
they immediately want to pump them blood pressure cuff back

(38:25):
up again because they're going to take it a second
time because as they get the first number, you're going
to go from seeded to standing. Your blood pressure is
going to change. It's going to change either in a
healthy way or in an unhealthy way.

Speaker 3 (38:37):
And the only way you're going to know is by doing.

Speaker 7 (38:39):
This process and having somebody take your blood pressure while
you're doing the process. After they've collected the data for
the second blood pressure reading from a standing position, then
you want to lay down still why the blood pressure
cuff is attached to you. And as when you get
into the laying down position, they want to take your
blood pressure in that third position, and you want to

(38:59):
see how your body responds to the stress of gravity.
If the stress of gravity causes your blood pressure to
go from seated to standing, the blood pressure should go
up roughly eight to twelve points going from seated to standing.
Most people, when they get up too quickly, get light headed.

(39:21):
That's because their blood pressure isn't responding in a normal fashion.
It's not responding quickly enough. And if anything, it's dumping.
It's going from the whatever the number was, it's getting less.
So when you go from seated to standing, your blood
pressure should increase subtly. If it doesn't, then the blood
doesn't get to your head the way that it's supposed to.
You're going to get a little bit lightheaded and a

(39:42):
little bit woozy, and that'll take you know, maybe five
most ten seconds to neutralize.

Speaker 3 (39:48):
Again.

Speaker 7 (39:49):
That's called what I mentioned earlier called orthostatic hypotension. And
your blood your body isn't responding properly to just simply
the stress of gravity. And and then when you go
from standing to laying down, you're taking the stress out
of the system. Your blood pressure should actually reduce roughly
six to twelve points, and so By taking your blood

(40:11):
pressure in all three positions, you understand the pulse pressure,
which is the amount of stress in the system, but
you also understand how the body responds just simply to
the stress of gravity, and all of that information gives
you a wealth of understanding as to what this person's
health is like and how their body is responding to stress.
But most medical offices don't take blood pressure fully. They

(40:36):
do it while you're seated, you've been in the office
for a little bit. They take your blood pressure, they
write it down on the chart, and then they give
it to the doctrine. The doctor comes in and either
talks to you about your blood pressure being elevated or
doesn't even mention your blood pressure. There is a condition
that's called white coat syndrome, and that's the general fear
of when you go to the doctor, you're now stressed

(40:59):
out because you think you're going to get some level
of bad news or some unknown news to you. So
you go in there and you're just a little bit
more tense than you normally are, and so your blood
pressure numbers are going to be a little bit higher
than they normally are, and it's typically attributed to the
stress of you just simply being in there potentially going to.

Speaker 3 (41:20):
Be getting some bad news.

Speaker 7 (41:22):
So take whatever your blood pressure is in the doctor's
office with a grain of salt, just because it may
not be what your true blood pressure is. But again,
you want to make sure that the doctor's office, whether
it's the nurse, whether it's the physician's assistant, whether it's
the nursing assistant, whoever's actually taking the blood pressure, ask

(41:44):
them and remind them to take it in three positions
so that you can know what your pulse pressure's doing
and you can see what your body does just simply
with the stress of gravity and going from seated to
standing to laying down.

Speaker 8 (41:57):
Yeah, and it's interesting you said there. Really it's there
aren't symptoms for blood pressure being out of balance. But
here you talked about if you stand up and you
get light headed, that would be an indication that you
are having an issue.

Speaker 7 (42:11):
Well, that's an indication that your adrenal system isn't responding
appropriately to the change in position. So your body's not
responding in a normal fashion due to just simple gravity.
But that wouldn't tell you whether you have high blood
pressure or not. It's just simply saying that your body

(42:31):
isn't responding to changing positions, which is an indication that
there's some imbalance that shows up through your blood pressure.

Speaker 8 (42:41):
Now, if you don't treat high blood pressure, what are
the consequences of that?

Speaker 7 (42:47):
Heart disease, heart attacks, stroke, all pretty bad stuff.

Speaker 3 (42:53):
Aneurysms.

Speaker 1 (42:56):
Now, I know that.

Speaker 8 (42:57):
Doctors oftentimes will recommend low salt diet if you have
high blood pressure. What is the reason for changing your
sodium intake if you have high blood pressure?

Speaker 7 (43:08):
Oh, I think I mentioned this in the first section
of the show, is that sodium when you're under stress,
your body produces a hormone called aldosterone. Aldosterone causes the
body to conserve sodium and water in the same process
that increases pressure within the system, causing one's blood pressure

(43:30):
to go up. So doctors, in their infinite wisdom of
understanding just simple relationships, determined that sodium is what causes
blood pressure to go up, which is inaccurate. It's one
of the ingredients that's associated with causing the blood pressure
to go up, but it's not the reason for why

(43:52):
blood pressure goes up.

Speaker 3 (43:55):
So they started to.

Speaker 7 (43:56):
Recommend people having a low sodium diet in an effort
to help with blood pressure, and that's going to create
a symptomatic effects, but it's not going to actually create
a healthy effects. And if anything, over time, low sodium
diets are going to lead to other complications.

Speaker 8 (44:13):
So why is that It seems like what's going on
in the medical profession is that there's not really a
lot of understanding of what is that the root cause
of hypertension? Is that because there's so many different causes
or because it's just hard to find out what's going on.

Speaker 7 (44:33):
Well, it has to do with incomplete education, It has
to do with a variety of what we're doing to ourselves.
It has to do with the poor quality of food
that we consume, the increase in the number of artificial
ingredients that we're consuming that don't act like nature's ingredients,

(44:57):
and so the body has to compensate for all of that.
And with the amount of stress that we're living in
and living in a fight flight mode and having our
adrenal stressed out, then that causes dysregulation and a lack
of normal response when we're under stress.

Speaker 3 (45:12):
And so.

Speaker 7 (45:14):
There's a lot of misunderstandings. There's a lot of incomplete understandings.
And one of those incomplete understandings is is telling somebody
to go on a low sodium diet because that actually
creates more problems than it does in terms of solving
the blood pressure issue. And so it's just, you know,
doctors are very quick to want to come to some

(45:36):
level of conclusion when you know, human beings just aren't
simple pieces of machinery. We're very complex, and we have
complex systems, and we have multiple overlapping within our systems,
and so it's important to take a look at the
body as a whole, as opposed to just looking at

(45:57):
it as isolated symptom or an isolated system.

Speaker 8 (46:03):
I mean, from what I understand, there are a lot
of different medications that are being used to treat high
blood pressure. Is that I mean, are they having a
different effects? Are they approaching it differently?

Speaker 7 (46:16):
They're approaching it differently in an effort to monopolize a
particular way of going about it and capitalizing on their
unique formulation and the effectiveness of that formulation.

Speaker 3 (46:30):
And again, at the end of the.

Speaker 7 (46:31):
Day, what we're ignoring is we're ignoring why we have
the problem to begin with. And so what would be
important for us in a future show is for us
to talk about why and making sure that we're addressing
the why and understanding all the mechanisms of cause and
getting to the why. And so we should definitely do

(46:54):
a show on that. But you know, you can only
go as far as somebody's education level. And when they
educate you to think a certain way and look at
things a certain way, but that doesn't really give you
a whole picture. Then things are going to get lost,
and things are going to get misinterpreted, and things are
going to go awry in the process. And ultimately that's

(47:19):
something that I feel that has gone on within the
United States healthcare system and the fact that we rank
fifty ninth in the world as far as our health goes,
meaning there's fifty eight other countries whose people are healthier
than we are here because we have a tendency to
want to get to a quick solution without understanding the

(47:39):
mechanism of cause.

Speaker 8 (47:41):
You know, it's funny you would say a quick solution
because so many of these solutions are you know, basically lifetime.

Speaker 1 (47:49):
Solutions.

Speaker 7 (47:50):
I mean, right, which is an oxymoron. And so I
understand the quick solution is if we give you this pill,
we're going to help you lower your blood pressure immediately,
but you're you're going to have to use the blood
pressure lowering mechanism every day for the rest of your life.
So yeah, it is kind of oxymoronish in the fact
that it gets quick results, but they aren't long lasting results,

(48:12):
which is why you end up doing it for the
rest of your life.

Speaker 8 (48:15):
So is there a way to get off the medications
that you would ostensibly have to be on the rest
of your life?

Speaker 1 (48:20):
Oh?

Speaker 7 (48:20):
Yeah, you have to address the underlying reason why the
person has high blood pressure. And when you address the
reason why, then the person will no longer need their
blood pressure medication because once you've addressed the reason why,
taking the medication is going to lower your blood pressure
out of the healthy range and that's going to be problematic.
And so you'll go in and the doctor will or

(48:41):
the person in the doctor's office will take your blood
pressure and they'll tell the doctor, yeah, this person's blood
pressure now seems to be ninety over fifty.

Speaker 3 (48:51):
Well, that's an issue. Getting too love, you know.

Speaker 1 (48:56):
I mean, there's some kinds of stress.

Speaker 8 (48:57):
That are going to be very difficult to get out
of your life. I mean, relationship stresses, work related stresses,
I know, you talk a lot about the dietary stresses
that we put ourselves under.

Speaker 1 (49:09):
By not eating correctly.

Speaker 8 (49:11):
Right, all these things kind of work in conjunction. So
a lot of the ways that you're going to approach
healthcare is a total lifestyle approach to what a person
is doing well.

Speaker 7 (49:23):
Yeah, So, as a holistic health care practitioner, when I
look at a person, I'm looking not just at the
physical body that's sitting in front of me. I'm looking
at every aspect of this person and their life in
terms of what's going on, what their stress levels are like,
what work is like, or what their home life is like,
what their kid's life is like, what their financial situation

(49:45):
is like. Because all of these things, for different people,
for different reasons, create different results and problems. And so
as a holistic health care practitioner, I get pretty involved
in people's health and and ultimately their life and helping
them to understand how to take back control of their

(50:06):
own health. And so I delve into a lot of
different aspects that most doctors don't. Why because I truly
want to help a person get back in the driver's
seat of their own health.

Speaker 8 (50:18):
And by addressing all these things, I mean you're really
looking at we talk about on a show like today,
we're talking about blood pressure, we're talking about kidney health,
partly because this is the time of the year to
talk about the kidney health. But once again, you're going

(50:38):
to tie this into a really comprehensive overview of what's going.

Speaker 1 (50:44):
On with a person's health. You're not just going to
deal with the one issue.

Speaker 7 (50:48):
No, there's again and we should and I'm sure we
will do a show. Maybe we'll do the show next
in terms of addressing the why, because until you address
the why, the what isn't going away. And most of
what allopathic traditional medicine does is they treat the what,
they don't address the why, And so we should do

(51:10):
a show on that, because at the end of the day,
I can't give you medication to mask your symptoms because
that's outside of the scope of my practice. So my
practice is trying to figure out why you have what
you have and addressing it naturally so that you don't
need to go on toxic chemicals known to have harmful

(51:30):
side effects that create long term problems.

Speaker 8 (51:33):
Right, they're trying to deal with getting a person back
to health in a way that supports their health and
brings them back into balance. So you know, we're just
about out of time for today's show, and I'm sure
there are people out there listening who may be intrigued
by some of the different ways that you approach health from, say,
what their doctor may be doing. If they want to
reach out to you and touch base with you, maybe

(51:55):
I haven't asked a question, or maybe even come in
for an office visit. What are the best ways to
reach out and get that information.

Speaker 7 (52:03):
Well, the easiest thing to do would be to call
my cell phone directly, which is area code eight four
five five six one two two two five Again eight
four five five six one two two two five. Uh,
You'll have an opportunity to speak to me directly. If
I don't answer the phone, please leave me a message
and I will call you back at my earliest convenience.

Speaker 1 (52:23):
Uh.

Speaker 7 (52:24):
There are some people that, for whatever reason, feel that
it's it's appropriate for them just to text me when
I don't even know who they are, what their phone
number is, and who is it that's.

Speaker 3 (52:35):
That's texting me.

Speaker 7 (52:36):
So it's better to have a conversation with me and
then we can move over to the texting going forward.

Speaker 3 (52:42):
After that, but.

Speaker 7 (52:44):
Sometimes texting it may take me a couple of days
to get back to you, and that kind of counterproductive
to answering your crisis.

Speaker 3 (52:50):
At the moment. So you can call me.

Speaker 7 (52:53):
You can text me, but I would prefer an email,
which is doc ric d oc ri c K doc
rig at spineboy dot com. If you email me, I
always respond to my emails. I get back to them
faster than I get back to texting.

Speaker 3 (53:10):
But call me, email me.

Speaker 7 (53:12):
You can text me, but ultimately you're going to want
to come into the office so that we can do
an evaluation. And so if you stop into the office
when I'm there, you'll probably get a brief evaluation, just
based on my normal curiosity to want to help somebody
understand their issue. But it's your health and you get

(53:34):
to decide when your health matters. That's why the show
is called When your health matters, and if it matters
to you, and if you have a health issue of
any sort whatsoever, please fail feed to reach out to
me so that we can get rid of your problem
once and for all and get you back into the
game of life. So that's my message for you. We're
starting a new year, happy belated Happy New Year to

(53:58):
the listener. I didn't that earlier in the show, but uh,
happy new Year to everybody, and ask you to tune
back in next week, same health time, same health station.
This is doctor Richard on tune from Advanced Alternative Medicine Center,
saying I'll look forward to supporting you when you're health managed.

Speaker 2 (54:16):
When see my position, he said, you're definitely ill. Then
to the nurse, I've seen worse than the doctor just
gave me a pill to take one of those three
times a day. You don't ever stop until you're dirty dinner.
All the better keep out of the reach of children,
the things that might be some side effect.

Speaker 4 (54:33):
You mean, I probably will, well limit of fact. Just
come back and I'll give you one another pill.

Speaker 2 (54:39):
On top of that, on top of that, on top
of that, on top of that, on top of that,
on top of that.

Speaker 4 (54:44):
And then he showed me a bill.

Speaker 3 (54:47):
I popped another pill.