Episode 134: Immune System

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:04):
My physician.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
He said, you're definitely ill than to the nurse. I've
seen worse than the doctor.

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Just gave me a pill.

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of that, and many showed me his bill.

Speaker 1 (00:34):
I've popped another pill.

Speaker 3 (00:36):
Welcome to When Your Health Matters. Your host is doctor
Richard Huntoon of Advanced Alternative Medicine Center located right here
in Pool of Georgia. Doctor Hantoon has been practicing alternative health,
utilizing chiropractic and many other health techniques for the past
twenty seven years to support you when your health matters.
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Speaker 4 (01:23):
You are listening to the Alternative Healthcare Network.

Speaker 5 (01:27):
Welcome to this week's show, When Your Health Matters. The
show designed to empower you to better health through knowledge
and education. And I'm your host, doctor Richard Untun from
Advanced Alternative Medicine Center. And here's my partner for the show,
your health advocate, Mark saban In.

Speaker 1 (01:42):
Over the last decades, Doc, one of the things that
we have talked about, and that seems to be either
either it's a growing trend or it's that we're beginning
to understand more what kind of immune problems there are
out there. But it does seem like immune diseases, immune

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system diseases have become so much more prevalent. Why do
you think that is so.

Speaker 6 (02:07):
I assume you're talking about autoimmune diseases.

Speaker 1 (02:09):
Autoimmune diseases exactly.

Speaker 5 (02:11):
Well, the primary reason for that is the fact that
we have poor diet primarily and then the weakening of
the system due to that poor diet leads to permeability
issues or leaky gut within the intestines, followed by a
heightened immune response attacking the organ or gland being problematic,

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leading to the autoimmune response that's generated as a result.
And so when you put garbage food in with all
the chemicals and all the toxins and all the trace
elements that are being put into our food that keeps
it from being real food, it creates a weakening in
the system because you're not giving it high quality ingredients.

Speaker 6 (02:55):
You're giving it substandard ingredients.

Speaker 5 (02:58):
And over time, those substandard ingredients aren't going to maintain
the integrity of the organ or the gland, and eventually
that organ or gland is going to leak out proteins
into the bloodstream, and those foreign proteins that are being
interpreted by the immune system is going to be like

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it tenses it as being in an unfriendly even though
it came from inside the body as part of the body,
but it shouldn't be available in that form. So the
immune system responds by creating some kind of attacking, if
you will, a walling off, an elimination of that free

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floating protein because that shouldn't be available in the body
under normal, healthy circumstances.

Speaker 1 (03:45):
I thought, your body needs protein, So why is this
protein create this problem.

Speaker 5 (03:49):
Well, your body needs protein, but it doesn't use protein
in its complex form. It breaks it down into its
simplistic form, which is called an amino acid, and then
they'll amino acids. Once inside the body, the body will
combine those amino acids into a particular protein that helps
to repair the body and rebuild the body and as
his precursor for some hormones.

Speaker 1 (04:11):
So wait, so there's the proteins you eat, but then
they get broken.

Speaker 6 (04:15):
Down into amino acids.

Speaker 1 (04:18):
The amino acids, and the amino acids in the body,
the body begins to reconstruct them into usable protein.

Speaker 5 (04:24):
Usable proteins that the body needs in order to repair, rebuild,
and manufacture hormones.

Speaker 1 (04:30):
Interesting, So in that process, what is the relationship between
that process and your immune system.

Speaker 5 (04:38):
Well, your immune system is designed to circulate around the
body and check in on everybody to make sure that
there's no crime going on in the vicinity, so to speak.

Speaker 6 (04:48):
And so your.

Speaker 5 (04:51):
Immune system is made up of different cells, and the
cells that are associated with the immune system develop a
memory response, if you will, that allows them to recognize
the different cells within the body and what those cells

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that it interprets as being normal versus abnormal. So within
the circulation, you should never have a whole protein that
circulates around. Within your blood, you should have the amino acid.
When you take more than one amino acid and you
combine them together. So when you have two or more
amino acids, that now becomes a protein.

Speaker 1 (05:34):
And inside your bloodstream, that's a problem.

Speaker 5 (05:36):
Inside the bloodstream, that's a problem because it should just
be in the amino acid form. And so if there's
a complex protein which is two or more amino acids combined,
the immune system sees it as an invader.

Speaker 6 (05:49):
So it's going to attack those proteins.

Speaker 5 (05:51):
Like like well, like it it's a criminal. Somebody just
robbed a bank and is running down the street. The
police are supposed to go arrest that.

Speaker 6 (06:02):
Criminal, okay. And so when you have these.

Speaker 5 (06:07):
When the body starts to break down due to the
lack of proper ingredients to maintain the integrity of the body,
When let's say, the proteins that make up the heart
start to leak out of the heart itself because the
protective barrier that keeps all the cells within the heart
deteriorated over time due to poor nutrition and wear and tear.

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So now there's a heart cell that has left the
heart and gotten into the bloodstream, Well, that's a foreign
invader as far as the body goes. So the immune
system is going to go attack that particular heart cell,
and now you may develop an autoimmune disease specifically to
the heart, or you can develop an autoimmune disease similar

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circumstance with the spleen, or with the lungs, or with
the intestines, the adrenals, the these whatever the organ or
gland happens to be. Hashimoto's thyroiditis is an autoimmune disease
that affects the thyroid, and the mechanism is that the
thyroid deteriorated leaked whole thyroid cells into the bloodstream, and

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the immune system attack those whole functioning cells, and now
it wants to attack more of them, so it develops
the learning habitual behavior of attacking these foreign proteins, and
then it's going to go attack anywhere those foreign proteins
happen to be leaking out of the non integris organ

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or gland, So.

Speaker 1 (07:38):
Do they attack the gland or the organ itself. In
other words, now the immune system has identified this as
an invader, and it says, wherever that invader is, it
attacks even the organ itself.

Speaker 5 (07:53):
Well, yeah, if the organ itself is already deteriorating and
is leaking those proteins that shouldn't have leaked to begin with.
You know, remember back in the seventies, all the couches
were typically covered.

Speaker 1 (08:04):
With what that plastic wrap.

Speaker 5 (08:06):
Yeah, they had the plastic wrap over the cushions and
maybe on the headrest of the couches center in an
effort to protect the material. Well, because it was plastic
and you're jumping on and off the couch, a crease
would form within the plastic and eventually that plastic would
break and now the sharp edge would press into the

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cushion and then the cushion that's inside the covering of
the cushion. The material inside the cushion would then come
outside of the pillow.

Speaker 6 (08:41):
Well, that's essentially what.

Speaker 5 (08:42):
Happens with autoimmune disease within the body. The wear and
tear of the body and not maintaining the integrity of
the tissue itself allows for proteins to leak out of
the damaged organ or gland, and then the immune system
develops an immune response to that organ or gland.

Speaker 1 (09:00):
I thought the immune system is set off to fight
off like different kinds of diseases, like you might get
some kind of a parasite, or you might get.

Speaker 6 (09:09):
Well, that's a pathogen.

Speaker 5 (09:10):
A pathogen in order to recognize the pathogen, it has
to have complex proteins associated with it, so that the
immune system can now codify that protein that we're going
to go destroy that protein because.

Speaker 6 (09:24):
It shouldn't be in the body.

Speaker 5 (09:26):
We're going to destroy wherever it happens to go. So
that's a normal immune response.

Speaker 6 (09:30):
But if your.

Speaker 5 (09:30):
Body's leaking proteins from itself, from its own self, then
it's going to attack you as the body itself, and
then that's autoimmune disease.

Speaker 1 (09:40):
So that's why because we sometimes have talked about the
way that things like can sanitizers and these antibacterial soaps
which kill off all the microbiome.

Speaker 5 (09:52):
All the microbiome, but it also violates the integrity of
the area that you're cleaning with the antibacterial so or
the alcohol based soaps that drives up the surface of
the skin and gets rid of the good bacteria that
are on that skin, and that weakens the integrity of

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the skin. So now things can actually get in to
the body through the skin. That would be called a
contact allergy. But if you have an allergy to.

Speaker 6 (10:22):
Yourself, now we're talking auto that's autoimmune disease.

Speaker 1 (10:28):
So the microbiome is creating an exterior barrier to keep
things from penetrating the body and offering a layer of protection, which.

Speaker 5 (10:38):
It's a filtration system. It allows it to filter through
the microbiome before it gets up against the digestive system barrier,
before it gets absorbed.

Speaker 6 (10:48):
Into the bloodstream.

Speaker 5 (10:50):
It's a whole filtration process. And when that filtration system
is compromised, then what it should be filtering out doesn't
get filtered out, or it actually is allowed in in
the digestive gut system. That's called a leaky gut syndrome.

Speaker 1 (11:07):
And so the gut is leaking those proteins.

Speaker 5 (11:09):
Leaking the proteins that aren't being broken down into amino acids.
It's allowing the proteins to go across the barrier instead
of them finishing being digested fully into amino acids. So
when you get that foreign protein in the bloodstream, the
immune system is going to attack that protein.

Speaker 1 (11:29):
So the microbes themselves, there's a slightly different process for
which the microbes that get into your body and create
create sickness. Because we've lived a long time now, for
the last hundred hundred years with the germ theory of
health that it's germs getting into your body that make.

Speaker 6 (11:50):
You sick, right, And that's a bad theory.

Speaker 5 (11:53):
And hopefully the time's going to come where I'm going
to be doing some presentations setting myself up now to
be able to start doing TED talks. And when I
do TED talks, one of the topics that I'm going
to talk about is how the germ theory is flawed,
and so I will help people to understand why the
germ theory is flawed and why we need to focus

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on not being afraid of germs that exist in the world,
but how to strengthen your immunity so that the germs
don't pick on you.

Speaker 1 (12:23):
And how do you strengthen your immunity.

Speaker 5 (12:25):
You have to close up all the holes and get
rid of all the weaknesses within the digestive system barrier.
You got to eat quality foods, you got to like
we talked about last week, we got to clean out
all the toxins that create a burden on the system
that causes the system to fail and not function the
way that it's supposed to. We got to clean up
the system, and we have to make sure that we're

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putting in quality ingredients and that the body has everything
that it needs.

Speaker 6 (12:52):
From a nutritional standpoint to maintain itself.

Speaker 5 (12:56):
So that it doesn't develop health issues because the bodies
being broken down right, well.

Speaker 1 (13:03):
I mean, before you have, you know, a serious health issue,
you might start to be showing up with some kind
of symptoms. What kind of symptoms might you notice for
yourself before you actually get sick?

Speaker 5 (13:18):
Well, in terms of how the body breaks down, what
sort of symptoms might you have?

Speaker 6 (13:25):
You have to lose sixty percent of normal functioning in.

Speaker 1 (13:28):
Order to have a symptom, any symptom.

Speaker 5 (13:30):
Lose sixty percent of normal function to have a symptom,
meaning your body's functioning at best forty percent in that
part of the body that isn't working the way that
it's supposed to, that.

Speaker 6 (13:45):
Will produce a symptom.

Speaker 5 (13:47):
Okay, so before we even get to that, if you're
suffering from nutritional deficiencies. Your body's going to let you
know that it needs certain ingredients. And the first thing
that it's going to do, because it's not getting what
it needs, it is going to get inflamed. So the
first phase of body breakdown headed towards disease is going

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to be inflammation. The second phase of body breakdown is
when instead of having ten parts of whatever you need
in order to be balanced in whole, your diet is
only supplying you with seven, and you're missing the vital three.
So then the body starts to accumulate the seven that
it can get from the nutrition that you're giving it,

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it's missing all the rest of the three components in
order to process it and digest it in a normal fashion.
So what ends up happening is after inflammation, you get
deposits within the body, and that's the second phase is
called deposition. Now, not everything that you eat is totally
devoid of nutrition, otherwise everybody be dead in about one

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hundred and twenty days. So your body finds workarounds and
has the ability to adapt and overcome like any marine wood.
And so the third phase of body breakdown is a
phase called impregnation and that's where you move to the
side of the cell, all those collections of seven in
an effort to create a pathway through the cell for
normal functioning and maintenance of normal functioning in spite of

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the holes in your diet. So the impregnation is where
all those accumulated seven molecules are lining up along the
inside of the cell wall, and eventually it gets so
crowded they get pushed.

Speaker 6 (15:27):
Into the cell wall.

Speaker 5 (15:29):
Once you get these things into the cell wall, what
do you think that does to the integrity of the
cell walls?

Speaker 1 (15:34):
Must start to break it down.

Speaker 5 (15:36):
Right, So that's the fourth phase of body breakdown, which
is called degeneration. And that's a wrinkle, that's a sag,
that's a gray hair, that's slow digestion, that's poor healing,
that takes a while for a cut to stop bleeding.

Speaker 6 (15:49):
All those kinds of things.

Speaker 5 (15:50):
Those are indications of a person not having the ingredients
that they need. And now their body is at the
phase four of body breakdown.

Speaker 1 (15:59):
And what's that, And well.

Speaker 5 (16:00):
That's degeneration. The fifth phase of body breakdown, it's called
d differentiation, and that's where the cells can either mutate
in the form of cancer or in the form of
autoimmune disease. They can become scarred, they can become the
cells can burst. That's called cell lisis. Okay, so you

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get those various responses.

Speaker 6 (16:26):
You get.

Speaker 5 (16:28):
Cell lisis, you get fibrosis, you get scarring, and then.

Speaker 6 (16:33):
You get mutation. And mutation is.

Speaker 5 (16:35):
Either going to be cancer or it's going to be
autoimmune disease.

Speaker 1 (16:39):
And I mean that process doesn't happen overnight.

Speaker 6 (16:42):
No, it takes a while.

Speaker 5 (16:43):
It takes a while to go from one hundred percent
all the way down to forty percent where you now
start to manifest symptoms. You're losing sixty percent in normal functioning.
And so if you're consistent with your doing the wrong
thing to support your body's overall health, over time, it's
going to show up as a health price. And then
you go into your doctor and your doctor's like, well,

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it's not bad enough for you you to warrant care,
so come back when it gets worse, or we're going
to mask the symptom of the problem that you have
with a toxic chemical known to have harmful side effects
under the brand of pharmaceutical medication. And then so is
the person truly taking care of themselves or are they
allowing themselves to deteriorate over time?

Speaker 1 (17:26):
Yeah, I guess sometimes the symptoms are worse than the medication,
But then it works the other way around. Sometimes the
medication can be worse than the symptoms that they're treating.

Speaker 5 (17:37):
Right, And so what's important for the listener is to
understand you get to determine your overall path and what.

Speaker 6 (17:43):
Your future is going to hold for you.

Speaker 5 (17:45):
And if you're living a lifestyle that's depleting your body
of its vital ingredients and you're slowly accumulating symptoms and
other health conditions, that's certainly one choice. Or you can
make a different choice to where you become actively, pro
actively interested in your health and well being and then
you set yourself up to sustain that by doing.

Speaker 6 (18:07):
What is considered healthy and balanced for you and your body.

Speaker 1 (18:11):
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Speaker 1 (19:12):
So when we're talking about immune health, I'm sure that
there are people who are calling you and then coming
in to see you who are already facing a health challenge.
And what do you do when somebody comes to you
that has that issue going on with them, that you
can actually turn that situation.

Speaker 5 (19:31):
Around well, regardless of what the health problem is. I
had a conversation with somebody this morning about their particular
health issue that they've never told me about. They've had
for a while and they didn't tell me about it,
and so I wouldn't have known that they had this
particular health problem because they weren't sharing with me. And
so there's a universal law that you know, one spirit

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can't violate another spirit without that spirit giving permission, and
so I wouldn't necessarily know that the person had this problem.
So any health problem that a person has, I'm going
to do the same thing, regardless of whether it's a
an achy knee or a digestive problem or something even
more serious. I'm going to evaluate it. I'm going to

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understand the mechanism of cause of their condition, and then
I'm going to fix it with a proper treatment designed
to restore balance, not simply manage the symptom, which is
what goes on in most healthcare.

Speaker 1 (20:27):
So what's the first thing you do if you want
to move from where you are currently to a better
health outcome?

Speaker 5 (20:35):
Decide that that's what you want to do. Just simply decide,
I'm going to commit to a path of improving my
health good. If you're going to commit to that path,
then God is going to yield to you the mechanisms
in which for you to commit to your outcome of
restoring your health.

Speaker 1 (20:52):
I think we live in a culture where there's a
lot of mistrust, there's a lot of doubt, a lot
of skepticism. So how do you go about finding the
confidence that if you're going to seek out alternative healthcare
when the world of information tends to be hammering home
the pharmaceutical, the doctor visits the health insurance, but you're

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actually taking a very different tact in terms of approaching,
one that in my mind makes a lot of common sense,
but not necessarily one that people feel initially a sense
of confidence that is going to work for them.

Speaker 6 (21:26):
Right, have you ever tried something new?

Speaker 5 (21:28):
I have, okay, And what was your mechanism in terms
of deciding for yourself to try something new?

Speaker 1 (21:36):
Well, I guess a good example of it would be
let's say you have a favorite restaurant that you go
to and they have all their dishes and you always
order the same dish because that's reliably what you like.

Speaker 5 (21:45):
Yeah, but even before you went to the restaurant, how
did you decide to go to that restaurant?

Speaker 1 (21:50):
Well, either by some research looking it up exactly right,
the sense of what it might be able to offer you.

Speaker 5 (21:57):
Like anything else. If you want to understand if alternative
health is going to work for you. You need to
investigate it, You need to ask questions and ultimately do
it based on your own understanding. And if you don't understand,
ask more questions until you get to the level of
understanding that you want to quote try it.

Speaker 1 (22:16):
But what kind of practitioners should I consult?

Speaker 5 (22:20):
Well, the one that feels right to you, the one
who will work with you and will work to educate
you and to empower you back to good health. I
work with people. My whole premise is is I want
to work with you, and I want to inform you
enough and educate you enough to where you begin to
become responsible for and take ownership for the body that

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you've been given, and develop enough of an understanding to
where you can manage that body to where it works
highly efficient for you without any kind of problems at all.

Speaker 1 (22:57):
So, I mean, what's that motivation? Sounds perfect, But I
mean there are the possibility of going to you with
the kind of care you give. There are other homeopaths,
they are acupuncturists. There are a lot of different practices
out there, all of which are targeting getting people into
better health.

Speaker 5 (23:17):
So you want to do a Google search local to
your area. Perhaps you want to ask a family member
or friends if they know of one, then check out
their website, call them, interview them, go in for a
hands on experience and help them to appreciate that they're
interviewing potential healthcare providers and they want to see if

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you're the guy that's going to be their doctors. So
you're interviewing them, you're not committing to anything. You want
to understand who they are and what their philosophy is,
and you want to see if what their philosophy is
dovetails nicely with your philosophy. Are you going to learn
anything from that practitioner? Know, physician means teacher. And if

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you're going to your health care practitioner and they're not
teaching you something about yourself to acquaint you more and
give you more understanding of managing your own self than
that practitioner, isn't necessarily doing the right thing. From my perspective,
it's you'd be hard pressed to come to my office

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and not leave with more understanding than when you came in.
It's just it's going to happen every single time you're
in the office.

Speaker 1 (24:30):
Well, I know that you know in the past we
talked about you had a patient here who had stage
four pancreatic cancer, and so he came in with his son.
I believe it was his son brought him in, So
he had somebody that was there supporting him, kind of
an advocate for him.

Speaker 6 (24:50):
Yeah, that's important.

Speaker 1 (24:51):
So can you talk a little bit about what a
healthcare advocate will be for you and help do for you?
I mean because in this process particular, literally, if you
have a serious health condition, you may need somebody to
be able to be your assistant in helping you define
this journey right. And so.

Speaker 5 (25:10):
For somebody that is a health advocate, there's somebody who
who is not the person with the problem, who sometimes
gets lost in their problem to where they don't know
what to ask, they don't even know what the right
answer is supposed to be. And so having a health
advocate is like a second pair of ears and a
second pair of eyes and a second brain, if you will,

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that is going to look at the situation without all
the emotional attachment, without all the effects of the condition
that they're dealing with, and is going to ask intelligent
questions that you may not think of for yourself in
an effort to help you make a better decision for
yourself with regards to the treatments or the procedures that

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you may experience if you ultimately agree to them. Everybody
has to get to a place where they're saying yes.
There's a lot that goes on unfortunately in healthcare where
the doctors aren't taking the time to do that.

Speaker 6 (26:08):
They're just assuming that.

Speaker 5 (26:10):
If you're in their office, that you've now given your
power to them to do whatever they deem necessary in
order to create the outcome that they think that you're
asking for. Yeah, I don't necessarily subscribe to that. I
want to maintain the proper relationship within the doctor patient relationship,

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and the proper relationship is is that I'm interviewing for
a job. The patient is the person who's going to
do the hiring. If I answer their questions succinctly and successfully,
and I turn over every stone that they have in
an effort to understand what they're trying to get to,

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and I answer their questions properly, and I offer them
a solution that seems viable for them, then hopefully they're
going to hire me. That means I had a successful
job interview and they decided to offer me the job.
But nowadays should go into your medical doctor's office, they

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don't really even want to know who you are. They
want to know what your insurance company is. They want
to know what level of health insurance that you have,
and based upon that, they will either roll out the
Platinum plan, the Gold plan, the Silver plan, the Bronze plan,
or the basic triage plan, and depending upon how much

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they can get paid, that's how much care they're going
to give you.

Speaker 6 (27:38):
And if you have a Platinum card, they're going to
roll out the.

Speaker 5 (27:41):
Red carpet for you. But if you don't have a
high insurance health insurance policy, then you're going to get
triaged and probably referred back to whoever your primary care
doctor is to deal with the pittance that they are
going to end up getting paid.

Speaker 6 (27:59):
And it's just sad.

Speaker 5 (28:01):
It's sad that we've relegated human beings to numbers and
procedures as opposed to the actual caring for individuals who
are obviously struggling with a health condition.

Speaker 1 (28:19):
Yeah, I mean, there is certainly like the family member
health advocate, but in a certain way, you take on
a role as a health advocate for the people that
you see. So because sometimes you have a person that
comes into you, like with stage four cancer, who is
seeing an oncologist, and then you become an additional supportering

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person to help them through the journey that they're on
and even deal with that combination of collaborating with their
other practitioners.

Speaker 5 (28:47):
Right, and so the oncologist is going to focus on
the condition of cancer, and you happen to be the
person who has embodied that cancer. So they're going to
focus on the cancer. They may not necessarily focus on
you because they have to do whatever forgive the term,
but whatever barbaric treatment that they're going to do, that
they're going to put the patient through, and they got

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to focus on making sure that they're getting the highest
level of treatment that they can possibly administer and what
the effects of that treatment is going to be.

Speaker 6 (29:19):
When a patient comes to my office, number one, they're
a human being.

Speaker 5 (29:25):
Number two, they're a human being that's having a difficulty,
a difficult time dealing with a health imbalance that they've had.
You know, in this particular case, advanced stage four pancreatic cancer. Okay,
that didn't happen overnight. That's something that had been ruined
for a while and by the time that the average person,
you know, gets into understanding. They don't want to go

(29:47):
to the doctor because they don't want bad news, but
now they have to go to the doctor because they
know they got something serious going on.

Speaker 6 (29:53):
My job is to hold the hand of my patient
and nurse them gradually.

Speaker 5 (30:02):
Move them back in the right direction in terms of
restoring their health, to be somebody that walks.

Speaker 6 (30:10):
With them, not somebody who gives them mortars.

Speaker 5 (30:13):
You know, I get very involved with my patients in
terms of their life, what their stress levels are like,
what they're you know, what what's the source of their
levels stress levels?

Speaker 6 (30:25):
You know, is it the job? Is it the kids?
Is it the wife?

Speaker 5 (30:28):
Is it the.

Speaker 6 (30:30):
Future?

Speaker 5 (30:31):
You know, you're trying to figure out how to retire,
do you have enough money for this? That and the
other thing, and all the different things that adults have
to deal with, and even the adults that are trying
to help manage the health of their child. You know,
there's a lot of stress that goes on into that,
and that stress takes its time over over a while,
and what it ends up doing is it to pleach

(30:52):
your immune system and then now you become more of
a target for immune system attacks. Where you get pathage
in whether it's a bacteria, a virus, a fungus, a parasite,
or the consequences of having those things in terms of
how it alters your physiology.

Speaker 1 (31:09):
So how do you manage to stay healthy?

Speaker 5 (31:13):
You have to put effort into it. Okay, I take
a crapload of supplements every single day.

Speaker 6 (31:19):
I take over sixty pills a day.

Speaker 1 (31:22):
Wow.

Speaker 5 (31:23):
Okay, And so I roughly take twenty pills a meal.
And what am I doing by taking the twenty pills?
I'm putting back the ingredients that have been stripped out
of my food to present you with a faux food.

Speaker 1 (31:36):
Would you recommend that for your patients to take sixty.

Speaker 5 (31:39):
Well, I recommend for my patient what's appropriate for them
and their condition, based upon their willingness to do the
work necessary in order to restore their health. But we
restore their health in stages. We don't try to treat
everything all at once because the body didn't recognize that
it grew all of those things as being a problem.
So we systematically have have to dismantle the health imbalance

(32:03):
while we slowly start to restore balance. So you've got
to tear down the building that's growing that is the
wrong kind of outcome health outcome. Once it's torn down,
then you've got to rebuild it, and you rebuild it
with the right ingredients. And the right ingredients is going
to be good, high quality whole food supplements. But you're
not going to get as many as I take on

(32:24):
a regular basis. But I've developed the level of supplements
that I take on a meal by meal basis based
upon my level of understanding and what parts of my
genetic makeup I want to make sure that I'm supporting
so I don't turn on a disease. My grandfather died

(32:45):
at the age of fifty five of heart attack, Okay,
that runs in my family, and traditional health care would
do a whole bunch of testing to evaluate the health
of my heart because that that's low hanging fruit. That's
a red flag that they can say is a genetic
based disease, and so they're going to run a whole

(33:05):
bunch of tests. And sometimes you're going down a rabbit
hole that you don't even need to go down. And
so when you evaluate somebody for who they are, where
they are, with what they've got, and you support them
at that level, okay, then they don't need to grow
life altering disease.

Speaker 6 (33:23):
But some people don't pay attention.

Speaker 5 (33:25):
And so the gentleman that had to advance stage four
pancreatic cancer, obviously I didn't know him before his oncologists
referred him to me.

Speaker 6 (33:36):
So good.

Speaker 5 (33:37):
I have to pick up the pieces based upon what's
being presented to me.

Speaker 6 (33:40):
And what was presented to me was.

Speaker 5 (33:42):
A gentleman that was confined to a wheelchair and you know,
had lost better part of one hundred pounds and wasn't
doing very well. And I think there was a part
of the on colleges It was just like, I'm tired
of seeing death in my office. Let me refer them
to somebody who could potentially help him. But if he's
going to die, then he'll die on their watch rather

(34:03):
than on my watch. And when I sent them back
to his oncologist after three and a half months, where
he'd put on thirty plus pounds of weight and was
no longer in a wheelchair and walking of his own accord,
the oncologist was a static because he doesn't see that
ben Stage four pancreatic cancer doesn't typically last forty five days.

(34:28):
And so I sent him back after nineties, one hundred
and ten days. Okay, and it's just like fantastic, wonderful.
But getting a person to recognize their health as being
a vitally important asset that they have and putting time,
energy and effort into it instead of taking the passive

(34:50):
approach that we do in this country to where we
invest in health insurance for when we have a problem.
Hopefully we have a good enough health insurance policy that
it's going to pay for whatever intervention needs to go
on in order to help get me out of symptom
or out of crisis. No, be proactive. Be proactive every day.

(35:12):
Drink the right amount of water, eat quality food, exercise,
get proper sleep, maintain proper agreements within your relationships. You know,
live a life that is in balance, not a life
that's so out of balance that you're creating problems for yourself.

Speaker 1 (35:28):
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Speaker 1 (36:33):
So we began our conversation talking about the immune system,
and we were talking about autoimmune diseases. But is your
immune system everywhere in your body or is it really
just innate parts of it in different systems in your body?
How does the immune system work overall?

Speaker 5 (36:49):
Well, hopefully the immune system covers the whole body, and
as we mentioned in the first segment, it comprised us
several different parts.

Speaker 6 (36:59):
Okay, you have.

Speaker 5 (37:03):
Your finest gland which generates different immune cells. You have
your white blood cells, which are the circulating taxicabs that
is your immune cells. You have your spleen, which is
your recycling plant for your blood cells. You have your
bone marrow that manufactures blood cells. So there's a lot
of different parts to go into the immune system. And

(37:28):
if it's functioning properly, then your body is going to
resist getting any kind of infection. And so when you
maintain a highly integrious immune system within the body, then
the person doesn't get sick and it doesn't develop those
kinds of health imbalances.

Speaker 1 (37:46):
But I mean, is there there's an innate immune system
and that's kind of what you're born with in yes, right,
and then there's a lot of things you do to
the acquired immune system.

Speaker 6 (37:57):
Right.

Speaker 5 (37:57):
So the innate immune system is the immune system that's
passed on to you by your mother based upon the
effectiveness of her own immune system. And if she's pregnant,
then her immune system is functioning well enough to allow
for a pregnancy. If her immune system wasn't healthy enough
to allow for a pregnancy, then it would spontaneously abort

(38:20):
whatever it is. It wasn't going to be healthy for
the body to continue moving on. So if you've had
any spontaneous abortions at some point during a pregnancy, then
you want to look at what your immune system's doing,
and you want to restore balance to the immune system
before you choose to pro create again. That way, you
can carry a pregnancy to full term and have a

(38:40):
healthy child come out in the other end. So that's
the innate immune system. It's the immune system that's given
to you by your mom. Now, as you come into
the world and as you interact with the different things
within the world, you pick up different germs, and those
germs stimulate the immune system to develop an immune response
for whatever those germs are. And that's what's called the

(39:03):
acquired immune system, and you acquire it based upon exposure.

Speaker 6 (39:07):
One of the.

Speaker 5 (39:07):
Things that I felt we did an absolutely terrible job
with with regards to COVID was instead of allowing us
to get COVID and develop a normal immune response to COVID,
we quarantined we six foot distance between each other. We
all wore masks, and we all were afraid to interact
with people because we were told that we could possibly

(39:29):
die from that. And I personally feel that that advice
was completely ridiculous advice because I just know for everything
that I grew up with, when I came down with
a transmittable disease like chicken pox, that we had chicken
pox parties in my neighborhood to make sure that everybody
got it so that we could just be done with

(39:50):
it and move on. And COVID dragged out, and honestly
is still dragging out. But COVID dragged out for three
and a half years when originally we were told two
weeks to flatten the curve, and that's because it wasn't
dealt with appropriately. So you know, there's the right way
and there's the wrong way. And you know, you want

(40:13):
to expose your body to pathogens so that your acquired
immune system can develop the appropriate immune response. But in
order to have it develop in an appropriate immune response,
you need to make sure that you're feeding your body
high quality ingredients so that the body can actually grow

(40:34):
and develop those immune cells.

Speaker 1 (40:36):
Well, I would wonder if in light of what you're suggesting,
because one of the things you get as those travel
bugs that you would get by drinking water in a
foreign country where there are pathogens that your body's not
used to it. You don't have an immune system response
because you never developed it.

Speaker 5 (40:54):
Right, and so when you go you know, they talk
about Mantezuma's revenge if you go visit Mexico when you
drink the water. Well, back in the day, that was
an issue. I've been to Mexico several times now and
I've never had an issue. Why because every place has
a water filtration system and it filters out all that stuff.
But if I was going to go drink out of
a water fountain, or if I was going to go

(41:15):
drink out of a stream, there's a high degree of
likelihood that I would pick up a bacterium that's indigenous
and local to that area that my immune system has
never been exposed to. So then at that point, my
acquired immune system is going to have to figure out
how to solve that problem. And so I may get
some of sickness response, I may get diarrhea or what

(41:37):
have you. And so that's the immune system trying to
figure out a workaround. Okay, But since the water purification
process has been relatively perfected and it's around the world,
any time I travel to a foreign country, I'm not
really overly concerned about drinking the water local to the area,

(41:58):
but more times than not, everybody's selling bottled water anyway,
and now we.

Speaker 1 (42:03):
Have a whole issue with bottled water. We're getting microplastics
in our digestive tracks. So that goes back to the
conversation we had last week about the detoxification.

Speaker 5 (42:14):
Right, and so when you have microplastics, when you have
this phenol a, or when you have the plastics itself
that finds its way into the liquids that you're drinking
over time, that's going to accumulate and that's going to
create issues. And so one of the things that I
check for when a person comes into my office when
we look at chemicals as a category of potential causes

(42:37):
of their health concern, we look at the best phenol a.
We do look at plastics, We do look at you know, GMOs.
We do look at mono sodium glutamate, We do look
at medications. We do look at all of these things
that could impact a person's health in a negative way
in an effort to get them to a understand what
they're doing to themselves so that they can modify their

(42:59):
life style, in their life choices and b make it
so that it doesn't impact them negatively.

Speaker 1 (43:06):
Yeah, I mean, the whole idea of the approach to
health is to use natural resources to begin to bring
your health back to its natural state of being healthy,
what you call your birthright.

Speaker 6 (43:18):
Correct.

Speaker 1 (43:19):
So, if you're going in a direction that your health
has gone off the rails, can you restore it through
these natural processes?

Speaker 5 (43:29):
Of course you can. God gives a solution for everything.
It's just a question, and you're willing to have partaken it.

Speaker 6 (43:34):
And so.

Speaker 5 (43:37):
One of the main things that I do, the primary
thing that I do in my office, besides help people,
is I educate them. I educate them on what it
is that's going on with their specific body and their
specific situation, how the mechanism of cause would have created it.
And then we treat the problem at the mechanism of
cause point, and we help to restore balanced to the

(44:00):
body by eliminating the cause instead of managing the effect
with toxic chemicals known to have harmful side effects.

Speaker 1 (44:07):
Well, the wonders if you know there are mental components
to it, emotional components to it, how do those affect
you in terms of getting illness or getting over an illness?

Speaker 5 (44:16):
Well, that's interesting that you should say the mental emotional aspects.
It's highly involved in all of it because it's your
mental or your emotional state that determines how you see
the world. And based upon how you see the world
is how you were going to react to what it
is that you're seeing. And so when we help to
eliminate we have a technique called neuro emotional technique or

(44:38):
any T. It's very powerful tool that I've used in
my office for the past twenty five years and it's
fascinating in the sense that we can get to the
emotional reality of the individual, find out what the circuit
that's being blown is based upon their emotional reality, and
adjust the circuit and eliminate and literally release the emotion

(45:01):
associated with blowing that circuit. So now they have the memory,
but they don't have the emotional charge associated with it,
and therefore it's no longer affecting them negatively.

Speaker 1 (45:10):
So do those mental components have an influence on things
like chronic disease?

Speaker 6 (45:16):
Oh, absolutely. All.

Speaker 5 (45:17):
Chronic disease is repetitive patterns that lead to a negative outcome,
and you're doing it continuously for a long period of time.
Hence the chronicity so if you address those emotional issues,
then you can change the behavior and then the person
can get a different outcome.

Speaker 1 (45:34):
Now, with all these things that you do, there are
a lot number of things that you do to sort
of support in general people's immune systems. Like, one of
the things that we talk about quite frequently is probiotics, right.
Probiotics are something that it's getting more attention now all
the time. They're beginning to do more double blind studies
with probiotics that are finding out more information about them

(45:57):
as we find out. This has been one of the
things that has been affecting people's health is the fact
that our microbiome, the microbes that live inside our body,
they're actually more of them than there are human cells
are responsible for much of our health.

Speaker 5 (46:14):
Right, And so when you do things like drink alcohol,
eat white refined sugar, eat artificial colors, artificial flavors, when
you take medication, either prescription or over the counter, when
you're drinking chlorinated water when you're drinking or when you're
ingesting fluorides through your toothpaste or through table salt, or

(46:35):
whether you're getting bromide, which is a toxic halide that's
found in all flour based products. When you're doing all
of these things, you're going to disrupt the microbiome and
you're going to create digestive system disruptors. And when you're
doing those disruptors on a regular basis, then the value
you get out of your food is going to be compromised.
And then your body's ability to repair and rebuild itself

(46:56):
is going to be compromised, and then you're going to
grow health problem.

Speaker 1 (47:00):
So not only are you eating this less nutritious food,
but you're actually doing more damage to yourself because your
body can't even absorb the food that.

Speaker 5 (47:10):
You are ingesting, right, And so it would it be
important Probiotics are important to help re establish through the
good bacteria in your microbiomes so that you can get
value out of your food. And so what I do
to help people restore balance to their immune system is
we evaluate do they have any immune system challenges and

(47:31):
if they do, whether they're bacteria, viruses, fungi, or parasites,
we address the imbalance that they have. And once that's
no longer tearing down their immune system, then we want
to feed the body's immune system so that the immune
system can become stronger and more resilient and more resistant
to succumbing to any kind of infection. Then it just

(47:54):
walls it off, eats it up, spits it out, and
moves on. And that's essentially what healthy immune systems do.

Speaker 6 (48:01):
And so it's.

Speaker 5 (48:02):
About feeding the body what it needs for the immune system.
For viral imbalances, we feed it a supplement called immuplex
and that's designed to boost the immune system. For people
who have bacterial infections, we give them a supplement called
Congoplex that's a natural antibacterial. For people who have fungal imbalances,

(48:23):
whether it's mold, whether it's candidia, whether it's yeast okay,
we give them a supplement called zimex which digests the
excess amounts of yeast mold in candidia. And for people
with parasitic infections, we give them a similar supplement in
terms of the name. It's called Zimex two and that's
designed specifically to digest and eliminate parasites. And so, once

(48:47):
we get rid of the imbalances that we're draining the
immune system, then we want to support the body with
proper food supplements to help strengthen the immune system.

Speaker 1 (48:57):
So there are two phases for this type of an
individual to come to see you. First is to get
rid of the things that are causing the problem. Right
then you do all the things to restore and strengthen
the body as it is.

Speaker 6 (49:11):
Correct.

Speaker 1 (49:11):
National six, So are you addressing those two different immune
systems and that the innate immune system first, and then
and then the acquired immune system.

Speaker 5 (49:20):
Well, the innate immune system again, is the immune system
that was given to.

Speaker 6 (49:23):
You by your mom.

Speaker 1 (49:24):
You're inheritance.

Speaker 5 (49:25):
Okay, So if you come out of the womb with
a negative innate immune system, then that will typically have
been addressed long before you arrive in my office, unless
you're a proactive mom who wants me to see the baby.

Speaker 6 (49:38):
Right out of the womb.

Speaker 5 (49:40):
But if she's a proactive patient and she's been in
my office before, even during her pregnancy, we're gonna turn
her health around while she's pregnant. I got a wonderful
woman in my office right now, her daughter soon to
be born in about a month and a half. Her
daughter's name is going to be Reese Claire, and Reese
Claire to me in the office, and she responds to

(50:02):
what I'm doing to her mom. And I've felt her
kick and she gets very active when she's in the
office with me because she's excited. And so, you know,
I've helped her mom foster a relationship with her daughter
that her mom talks to her daughter all the time
and is telling her what kind of life she would
like for her to have and how she wants to

(50:23):
come out in an agreeable fashion. But I've been working
with her mom in order to establish her mom's health
to be better, and we'll see what the outcome of
that is with regards to her innate immunity and how
it impacts Reese Claire. And so when she comes out,
I'm looking forward to meeting her for the first time,
and I'm looking forward to seeing what we can do

(50:44):
from you know, fresh out the womb, going forward to
making sure that she doesn't have any health problems and
acquires the acquired immune system so that she can continue
to navigate life without picking up things that knocks her
on her butt as she continues to go through her childhood.

Speaker 1 (51:02):
Well, that's great. So we have now covered life from
pre birth to the point of the patient we were
talking about before that, actually you took to the end
of life right, so that whole range is part of
what the practice that you focus on. Right, Not only
do you focus on each patient as a person comes

(51:23):
to you, you focus on people from the beginning all
the way through to the last moments of their lives. Right.

Speaker 5 (51:29):
And I have one act of patient of mine who's
going to be ninety six this year. I have another
patient of mine who's in a seniors home down in
New York City, so I don't get to see her,
but I got a picture from her son because I
asked him, I said, how are you doing? Because I
check in with him once a month when I'm up
in New York to help him out, And so I

(51:52):
checked in, I said how you doing?

Speaker 6 (51:54):
And he texts me back a.

Speaker 5 (51:56):
Picture of his mom on one hundred and first birthday,
flowing out the birthday handle and he's like, I'm awesome,
And it's just like, how could you not be awesome?
Your mom's one hundred and one, you know, and that
was six months ago.

Speaker 7 (52:08):
That's lovely, That's lovely. Well, this has been a great conversation, Doc, Rick.
As we run out of time here today for this show,
I'm gonna give you a chance to let people know
how to reach out to you. Because you do make
yourself very available to people by phone, by email, and
by visiting you in the office.

Speaker 5 (52:25):
Right, So the best way to get a hold of
me would be to call my cell phone directly at
area code eight four five five six one two two
two five again eight four five five six one two
two two five. That is my cell phone. I will
be the one answering the phone ninety nine percent of
the time unless the patient picks up the phone because
I'm helping their loved one at the time. If I

(52:47):
don't answer the phone, please leave a message with your
name and your phone number, and I will call you
back and we can get into the reasons for why
you're calling. And that's the best way to do it.
Second best way to do it. Uh. You know, I
don't really like the technology, but I'm being forced to
use it more and more and more each day. People
will text me. I don't like texting at A woman

(53:08):
text me this morning. I literally had to scroll through
the text to it was three screen lengths long. Okay,
so I didn't respond. I called her why because it's
better to call anyway. So you can call me, You
can text me, you can email me at doc Rick
at spineboy dot com. Doc Riick at spineboy dot com,

(53:31):
you can go to spineboy dot com and get a
wealth of information. But any of those ways short of
stopping into the office, I'd love to see you in
the office. You can stop into the office. I'm going
to give you a brief evaluation just as a gift
to you for stopping into the office. We'll figure out
what your situation is and then we'll invite you back

(53:52):
for a more thorough evaluation. But regardless of how you
get a hold of me, if you're out there and
you have a health condition that you're tired of having
and you would like to restore your health naturally, please
reach out to me. And in the meantime, Mark is
waving to me that this is the end of the show.
We're out of time. I'm going to ask you to

(54:13):
tune back in next week, same health time, same outstation.
This is doctor Richard on tune from Advanced Alternative Medicine Center, saying,
I'll look forward to supporting you when you're health matter.

Speaker 2 (54:26):
My position, he said, you're definitely ill. Sent to the nurse.

Speaker 1 (54:30):
I've seen more so.

Speaker 2 (54:31):
The doctor just gave me a pill. Take one of
those three times today. Don't ever stop until you're dearly
dead or almost better. Keep out of the reach of children.
The things that might be some side effects, you mean,
probably will well, limits of fact, just come back.

Speaker 1 (54:46):
Can't know what out of the film.

Speaker 2 (54:48):
On top of that, on top of that,