Episode 135: Health Opinions

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:04):
Be my physician. He said, you're definitely ill than to
the nurse. I've seen worse than the doctor. Just gave
me a pill.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
Take one of those three times today. You don't never
stop on till you're dearly dinner. All of a better
keep out of the reach of children. The thing has
been some side effects, you mean probably will well.

Speaker 1 (00:22):
Limits of fact, you can't come. I'll give you another film.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
On top of that, on top of that, on top
of that, on top of that, on top of that,
on top of that, and.

Speaker 1 (00:32):
Then he showed me his bill. I've popped another pill.

Speaker 3 (00:36):
Welcome to When Your Health Matters. Your host is doctor
Richard Huntoon of Advanced Alternative Medicine Center located right here
in Pool of Georgia. Doctor Hantoon has been practicing alternative health,
utilizing chiropractic and many other health techniques for the past
twenty seven years. To support you when your health matters.
It's his intention to offer practical advice every week for

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you to consider and to apply in your own life
to make your life and the lives of your family
and friends healthier and happier. When you have questions, you'll
get your answers from doctor Rick himself or another expert
on the show. Being empowered to make positive health choices
before problem arises is the best way to approach health,
and doctor Rick promises to have information for you every

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week that will allow you to become proactive and empowered
to take control of your health and your life.

Speaker 4 (01:23):
You are listening to the Alternative Healthcare Network.

Speaker 5 (01:27):
Welcome to this week's show, When Your Health Matters, the
show designed to empower you to better health through knowledge
and education. And I'm your host, doctor Richard Huntun from
Advanced Alternative Medicine Center. And here's my partner for the show,
your health advocate, Mark Saban, Doc Grigg.

Speaker 6 (01:42):
I got a fundamental question to ask you today.

Speaker 5 (01:44):
A fundamental question.

Speaker 7 (01:45):
A fundamental question, excellent, Yes, what does it mean to
have good health?

Speaker 5 (01:50):
That's a good fundamental question. Means that everything about your body, mind,
and spirit is functioning as close to one hundred percent
as possible. It means you are proactive in your efforts
to eat, drink, breathe, exercise, and get proper sleep. And
we need to add in positive relationships based on communication
and respect. So that's what it means to have good health.

Speaker 7 (02:12):
Okay, so when we talk about medical care, you often
refer to that as sickness care and not health care.
That's true, Yeah, well, I mean, how does that relate
to the fact that what you said good health is
and what actually is happening when you're getting treated In
the medical.

Speaker 5 (02:31):
World, Well, medicine and all the health care is based
on supporting the person to feel better, and unfortunately it
doesn't get them better. And since most healthcare offices rely
on health insurance, there becomes this weird relationship about managing
sickness versus helping people truly be healthy because they only
get paid if the person has a problem, so there's

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really no incentive to get the person well because then
they stop getting paid.

Speaker 7 (02:58):
So actually, if it's almost the inverse of what it
should be if you wanted to actually take care of people's.

Speaker 5 (03:06):
Health, right it is. It's like, Okay, in my office,
we focused on health and we watch people get healthy,
and we watch people not have problems, and we watch
people not mask things with medications. I just had a
patient in my office prior to us starting this where
I had to fix him of his four medications. He
was on four different medications, so I had to address

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how his body was dealing with those medications so that
it can still get the benefit, but it doesn't come
with all the side effects. And so to help get
his body to better manage the toxic chemicals that he's
ingesting in an effort to make his body feel better.
That kind of is an oxymoron. Why would putting toxins
into your body help you feel better? Well, simply because

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it disrupts how your body functions, and it arrests the
nervous system's ability to regulate the body in a normal fashion.
And therefore, or it can Yeah, it can take pain
and turn it off, and certainly that would be beneficial
for the person. But don't just turn the pain off
without understanding why you have the pain.

Speaker 7 (04:11):
Well, if you're trying to get out of a condition
or symptoms because you're either in great discomfort or in pain,
as you were saying, don't you want to be able
to deal with that immediately?

Speaker 5 (04:24):
Well, yeah, you want to get a person out of crisis.
That's the first stage of care is get them out
of crisis, get them relief. But don't stop once you
get them relief and just continue to support keeping them needing.
Whatever it is that you're doing and managing their relief.

Speaker 6 (04:39):
So you're building in a dependency that.

Speaker 5 (04:41):
Way you are, and so it doesn't address the cause
of anything. It manages the imbalance or the health problem,
but it never remedies the problem at all. And that's
why healthcare is failing miserably at least in this country,
simply because we're not looking for solutions. We're looking to
manage and treat the condition. It about the condition. Diabetes

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never gets well, high blood pressure never gets well, high
cholesterol never gets well, autoimmunities never gets well, thyroid conditions
never get well. Why because they're not looking to get
the person well, they're looking to manage their condition.

Speaker 7 (05:15):
Well, you just listed off a bunch of different things
that people have, and you're saying that those things can
get better.

Speaker 5 (05:21):
Of course, those things can get better. Everything can get better.
You just have to put the right information in so
that you can get the right result. And so you know,
there's a phrase in computers garbage in, garbage out. Well,
it's put health in and you get health out. You
put toxic chemicals in, you're not going to get health
out of that because toxic chemicals don't equate to health.

Speaker 7 (05:44):
So is health more than just the absence of sickness.

Speaker 5 (05:49):
Oh absolutely, it's much more than that. To be symptom
or sickness free allows a person to be functioning at
only forty to forty five percent of normal. Would you
call that being healthy or would you simply call that
being symptom free? If you're only functioning at forty to
forty five percent of your ability, but you're not you're not.

Speaker 6 (06:08):
At your optimum.

Speaker 7 (06:09):
So you're functioning okay, but you're really at a substandard level.

Speaker 5 (06:15):
Right, So you need to be functioning at less than
forty percent. To have some kind of symptom or some
indication of a problem or disease, you have to be
functioning at less than forty percent. So there's sixty percent
that people are ignoring.

Speaker 7 (06:32):
Right, But when you think about that sixty percent that
may be in a specific area, step Like i may
feel like, Okay, I've got high blood pressure, but I'm
functioning okay, I'm going at eighty percent of my normal function,
but in my blood pressure realm, I'm at less than
forty percent.

Speaker 5 (06:47):
So what does that do to all the systems that
are feeding into or feeding off of normal blood pressure?

Speaker 7 (06:53):
So they're all getting they're all being worn down, and
they're getting worn down.

Speaker 5 (06:57):
And that's what ultimately is what aging is about.

Speaker 6 (07:00):
Right, I'm just guessed.

Speaker 7 (07:01):
The point I'm trying to address is that you may
not feel like you're only forty percent because so many
other things are happening with your body that are functioning,
you know, but the area like if you have if
you have diabetes, you may be functioning in a lot
of ways in the way you think it's okay, you just.

Speaker 6 (07:21):
Happen to have this one condition.

Speaker 5 (07:23):
Oh trust me, if you have diabetes, you have more
than one condition. The diabetes may be the primary condition,
but you have a liver that's not working properly, which
is why you have diabetes. And as a result of
the diabetes, and you have blood sugar handling issues, that's
going to lead to athrosclerosis and arterial sclerosis, which is
going to lead to heart issues. And once you have

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heart issues, okay, then that's going to compound where you
may have thinking problems and the ability to stay rational
and have your brain work the way that it's supposed
to do. And so there's a cascade of effects that
results as a consequence of having imbalance and masking the imbalance.
Using toxic chemicals that come with their own side effects

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is not the best way to address the system a
person or to help the system come back into balance. So,
to emphasize the point, in order to have a symptom,
your body is functioning less than forty percent of what
it should. To manage a symptom keeps you functioning in

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and around forty percent or less. Nobody in their right mind,
or even in their wrong mind, is going to want
to agree to let that be the best their body
can function. You would want it to be better than that.
And the interesting thing is, and I think you know,
when I learned this information, I was like, oh my God,

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I finally found it. I found out where God screwed up.
God screwed up by saying that you have to screw
up sixty percent before you will even know that you've
screwed up. No, God gives us a lot of leeway
to have life experiences and do trials and errors. And

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when you do trials and errors and you keep choosing
the wrong outcome enough times, then you'll finally get an
indication that you've been choosing the wrong outcome for a
long enough period of time to where now you do
have to be aware of it, and you do have
to make adjustments, and you do have to turn and
go back in the other direction. But we are masking symptoms.

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Is so pervasive in this country that the average consumer,
the people that are listening to this show today, don't
even know how they've been sold a false flag operation,
if you will, of being led to believe that you
get better health by adjusting your chemistry, No, you don't

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get better health by adjusting your chemistry. You may quote
feel well, feel better as a result of that, but
that doesn't mean that you're functioning well. And when you
take a medication and you outsource what the body should
be doing for itself by taking the medication, then that
part of the body shuts down, and that only leads
to bigger problems going forward.

Speaker 7 (10:16):
So you have a cascade, you said, a cascade of
problems that result from something that's going off, and now
you're medicating it so you don't feel it, so you
keep going in the same direction that you were going,
which is basically off track in terms of your.

Speaker 5 (10:32):
Right with substandard functioning, and that just that functioning problem
gets bigger and bigger and bigger. Until something breaks and
at that point then what is the medical solution to that? Well,
some kind of surgical intervention. So they're setting you up
for failure.

Speaker 7 (10:49):
So how does this work in terms of you know,
they say an ounce of preventions worth a pound of cure,
So where does that get into the equation of taking
care of your health?

Speaker 5 (11:01):
It doesn't fit into the medical model because they don't
want you taking announcer prevention for a pound of cure.
They don't want you being proactive, they want you being passive.
Our whole society has set us up to be passive individuals,
where that's not what God intended for any of us.
We're supposed to be active where physical beings in a
physical world. And when you're physically active, you're healthy. When

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you are sedentary and you're not physically active, then problems
start to creep in. When you're not doing the right things,
problems result. When you do the right things, problems don't result.
And so healthcare only works when they're managing people's sicknesses
and managing people's conditions.

Speaker 7 (11:42):
So how do you approach it differently? I mean, you
don't approach it from that way. That's kind of your
whole mission is to sit there and change that paradigm.

Speaker 5 (11:49):
Change the paradigm. There's the law of cause and effect,
and traditional allopathic medicine, with all of its medications and
all of its surgery, is what do you think they
focus on the cause.

Speaker 6 (12:02):
Or the effect. They're focusing on the effect, right.

Speaker 5 (12:05):
So what would actually change the effect.

Speaker 6 (12:08):
If you could undo the cause?

Speaker 5 (12:10):
Right? So that's why I focus on the cause. I
want to understand what is causing the problem that leads
to the negative outcome that your medical doctor is saying, well,
you're going to have to take this medication for the
rest of your life. And that begs the question that
I want all my patients to ask their medical doctor,
how is taking this medication going to eliminate my problem?

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And the doctor will look at you like you have
nine heads because in their head they don't have an
answer for you. They don't have an answer. They haven't
been educated on how to answer that question because it's
not part of their education. Their whole education is got
a pain, take a pill, find the pain, give them
the pill, find another pain, give them another pill. Set

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them up for so that they have a litany of
different pills that they have to take that's going to
upset their chemistry. So now they have to come in
so that we can check their chemistry to see if
we have to manage them differently, or if they're not
bad enough, we can keep them on the same thing
until eventually their liver gives up, or their kidneys give up,
or some sort of organal imbalance gives up, some kind

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of glandular situation doesn't work the way that it's supposed to,
and medical doctors will say, well, it's normal for somebody
your age. You should expect this. You're getting older. This
is what happens when one gets older. That's a bunch
of poppycock. Okay, But you know the average person doesn't
think that way. Why because they've been led to believe

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that as you get older, the idiot box teaches every
single one of us, when you get older, you should
expect to have these problems. And when you take this medication,
you're going to be dancing with all your friends who
are also taking the same medication, and you're going to
need a happy life and everything's going to be sunshine
and roses. Why because you're taking this toxic chemical that
comes with the litaneous side effects that we're going to downplay.

Speaker 6 (14:01):
But in the long.

Speaker 7 (14:02):
Distant past, before we had the medical profession working the
way it does with the description medications, let's say, before
we had this pharmacological litany of treatments, people got sick.
So what was the difference in terms of like, is
what you've done an advancement from what was you know,

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two hundred years ago when people's people got sick then
and people come to you they're sick.

Speaker 5 (14:29):
Well, in terms of what I do, advanced techniques that
I use now, they weren't around two hundred years ago.
They weren't even around one hundred years ago. A lot
of them have been innovations that have been created as
a result of the difficulties that people are dealing with.
You know, if a person says, listen, I don't want

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to put toxic chemicals into my body in an effort
to make it work better. I need to find a
better outcome. I need to find a better solution. So
they start looking for better solutions. And there's innovative minds
out there that I've studied with and learned from directly
that have taught me tools and techniques and given me
understandings to address not what's wrong with a person, but

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why it's wrong with a person. Because if you fail
to address the why, which is what medicine does, the
what is never going away, and that sets you up
for lifetime medication and lifetime profits for the big pharma
and with a minor stipend going to the prescribing physician
who gets kickbacks from the pharmaceutical industry.

Speaker 7 (15:31):
I mean they want what you're saying is they want
to keep that what is going on with you in place, because.

Speaker 5 (15:38):
They haven't solved heart disease. They haven't solved diabetes, they
haven't solved cancer, they haven't solved autoimmune disease, they haven't
solved hormonal imbalanced, they haven't solved they they haven't solved
one medical condition, not one medical condition has ever been solved.
Why because that's going to interfere with their income, which
is going to upset the whole apple cart.

Speaker 7 (15:58):
But I guess my point about history was that people
got sicked, then it didn't the sicknesses didn't go away,
So the learned.

Speaker 5 (16:06):
They learned prior to big pharma being invented due to
the Rockefellers and the carnegiese who said this is what
we're going to teach in medical schools, and we'll fund
you as long as you teach what we want you
to teach. And what we want you to teach is
that you're going to need little bits of pharmacology in
order to help get these people well. And so that's
what the whole medical profession became. But prior to that, yes,

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we had schools for homeopathy. We had schools for naturalopathy,
we had schools for chiropractic, we had schools for acupuncture,
we had schools, all these different schools with all these
different techniques. I mean, you go over to Asia, Okay,
Asia has a whole I was over in Asia when
I used to go to China to study and to

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just get a sense of what the culture was. Okay.
I was on a plane flying from Beijing over to
Lossits and the guy that I was sitting next to
was a pharmaceutical rep from Germany who was telling me
about how the Chinese rebutted his willingness to help them

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understand how they could make tremendous profit if they brought
pharmaceuticals into their culture, and the Chinese people argued because
they hadn't figured out everything in China is called a
joint venture. They want you to pay the money so
that everybody can benefit, including them. That's how they negotiate.

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How much are you willing to pay to have access
to our people, how much are you willing to pay
to have access to our manufacturing? How much are you
willing to pay us so that we will do the
work that you want us to do. And I'm sitting
there listening to this pharmaceutical rep from Germany talked to
me about how the Chinese rebutted all the profit that

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they would be making because they haven't figured out how
to profit off of them coming into the country. They
had to go work that out before they were going
to let pharmaceutical companies come into China.

Speaker 7 (18:07):
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Speaker 7 (19:10):
So I got to ask you, Docwig, is it natural
for us to be healthy?

Speaker 5 (19:14):
Well, it is our birthright and we need to truly
embody and learn what it means to be healthy. But yes,
it is natural for us to be healthy.

Speaker 6 (19:21):
Okay.

Speaker 7 (19:22):
So I know you use a lot of different techniques
in your practice, and as you said in the first section,
you've gone to a lot of different sources to get
some of these techniques, and a lot of these techniques
that you described are innovative, but one of them that
you use at principle is one that's actually thousands of
years old is Chinese medical theory?

Speaker 6 (19:41):
How does that work in your practice?

Speaker 5 (19:43):
Well, the system to me makes sense, and it's the
fact that it's over seven thousand years old makes it
hard to argue with the longevity of the system. And
it's easy to explain to someone trying to understand their
health from my perspective because I've immersed myself in it.
I've understood the relationships, how it relates to the body,
how it relates to the seasons of the year, how

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it relates to the time of day, all of those things.
There's an energy flow and a rhythm to the systems
that we have and how nature is set up and
how the seasons are set up, etc. And so you know,
you look in the plant kingdom and you look in
the animal kingdom. You know there's certain animals that hibernate
in wintertime. Obviously, the plants all hibernate during the wintertime.

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If you live in a warm climate, then they don't
never actually hibernate. But if you have the changes of season,
the plants and the animals adapt based upon the season
that we're in, and the body does the same thing.
And so having a theory of health. It's over seven
thousand years old. How would you not look there, How
would you not want to learn something that has had

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that much longevity versus our traditional medical model, which is
roughly right about one hundred hundred and ten years.

Speaker 6 (20:57):
Yeah, there's a lot newer than that.

Speaker 7 (20:59):
I mean when you talk about nature and the natural
rhythms and that relationship between that and health, Like you said,
I mean, I was outside today looking the trees are
filling up there with leaves because it's that season, and
they don't do that in the winter time when their
leaves are gone. So there are definitely natural rhythms those

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you're saying are actually going to relate to human health
as well.

Speaker 5 (21:23):
Right, you want to honor nature, to be honest, support
nature within the body, and allow nature to return to
balance and allow health to be returned.

Speaker 7 (21:32):
So I'm you know, you were talking about the pharmacological
world and the chemistry that they're using. But don't all
those ingredients from medicine come from nature.

Speaker 5 (21:42):
No, they come from chemicals derived and designed to mimic nature,
and as I said, comes with side effects. Since we
were never meant to take harmful chemicals to restore health.
It truly doesn't make sense, and so we just need
to understand what man keeps trying to improve upon nature,
and what we end up finding out down the road
is the fact that men actually screwed up nature instead

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of actually capitalizing off of nature.

Speaker 7 (22:06):
Yeah, we don't actually make it better, Doly. So like,
for instance, it was a tree, it was a tree
bark that originally.

Speaker 6 (22:14):
Was the source for aspirin.

Speaker 5 (22:16):
Well, it was the the the inspiration for aspirin sort of,
So white willow bark is the basis for the aspirin,
except aspirin modifies the white willow bark's formula by adding
what's called a methyl group to the the white willow
bark and methyl group is consists of one carbon and

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three hydrogens, and this ultimately is what creates the stomach irritation,
as it's not what nature produces, and since you cannot
patent nature, you have to modify it and then make
it available in a way that is easily marketed and
create awareness in society. And by today's standards, when aspirin

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came out, if they were to apply the rules of
today to aspirin, aspirin would only be available through prescription.
But it's been grandfathered in because it's been used for
so long that they forego the you know, the prescription
aspect of it and it's just it's available over the counter.

Speaker 7 (23:18):
That's so interesting that because aspirin was one of probably
one of the earlier prescription you know, pharmacological products that
was used generally in the public, and we just think
of it as something that you get off the shelf
that no more than you know, getting a tomato or
an apple.

Speaker 6 (23:35):
I mean, it's it's so normalized.

Speaker 5 (23:36):
Right, and at the end of the day, they want
everybody taking at least a baby aspirin every day. Why
because that's going to help potentially set you up so
that you don't end up having heart disease and heart attack.
But it's it's not going to eliminate it. It's like
you're trying to put out a fire without turning off
the source of the fire.

Speaker 7 (23:55):
So where would something like an herbalist who uses herbal
remedies fit into this, Because they're taking nature and extracting
the whole aspect of the nature, not just the components
of it.

Speaker 5 (24:09):
Right, when you have a nervalist who's taking the medicinal
properties of a plant and you're you've become proficient in
understanding how to combine different plants and different herbs and
extract out the healing properties and then administer it in
small dosages and that kind of thing, whether it's through

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tinctures or whether you heat it to the point where
all the liquid dries out and then you take the
residue that's left over and you compound that into some
kind of tablet or capsule or what have you. What
you're doing is you're asking the body to use nature's
medicine derive from plants, and you're using that in an

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effort to create the effect that you're looking for. That Otherwise,
Big pharma would recommend that you use their pharmacological agents instead.

Speaker 7 (25:06):
So would that be Would that fit into the paradigm
that your paradigm shift that you're talking about about using
natural rhythms and natural bases to improve health.

Speaker 5 (25:17):
That would certainly fit into it. Why, Because you're using
nature and what nature produces in an effort to maintain
balance within nature. You're not creating something that didn't come
from nature and then using it to interact with nature,
because now you're going to upset the natural balance because
you're not using something that came from nature.

Speaker 7 (25:36):
I remember in some of the early studies that I
did on the topic of Chinese medicine, which just back
to that theory for a minute, one of the ways
that they treat is they tried to use the most
benign approach to health first and the most severe last.
And in the reading that I did, Western medicine takes

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the most severe form first and then gradually backs off
of it.

Speaker 6 (26:04):
Does that sound after.

Speaker 5 (26:05):
The damage has been created and the circumstances has ruined
the ability to recover properly? You know, it's it's hysterical that, yes,
what you just said is one hundred percent true in
this country. You know, when I get people that are
coming to me after they've done everything medically and the

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medical doctors like, well, there's nothing more we can do
for you, so you're discharged and they still have their problem.
Then they want me to undo all the negative effects
of their medical interventions and try to help them restore
their health. And it's like, well, why didn't you come
to see me at the beginning part of your condition,
not after you've been discarded by the medical world, because

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there's nothing more that they can do for you. That
to me. Again, we've put so much stock in trusting
are allopathic medical providers, and in certain regards that's totally fine,
But we don't know what health is. We don't know
what it means to maintain health, and we don't know

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what it means in order to live a life that
prevents negative health outcomes from occurring. And as a result
of that, as a result of the education that we
get through the advertisings the way that we do it. Okay,
nobody's looking for health, they're looking to manage their symptoms,
because that's what the television, that's what the radio, that's

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what the internet, that's what print ads condition us to do.

Speaker 6 (27:41):
Well, it sounds like, I mean, it's natural to be healthy,
but it's Isn't it also a natural function that gets sick.
Isn't that part of nature as well?

Speaker 5 (27:53):
Yeah? And what does sickness represent.

Speaker 6 (27:56):
Some level of dysfunction?

Speaker 5 (27:58):
Yes, Yes, it's getting you and getting you to be
aware of through the symptoms. It's getting your attention to
let you know that you've gone off the ranch, you've
left the main highway, you're off in the weeds. You're
doing something that doesn't allow things to continue to flow
the way that it's supposed to flow. You've upset the

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apple cart. Okay, that's what a symptom is letting you know.
And what we need to do is we need to
honor what keeps us in balance, set ourselves up for
what maintains us being in balance, so that we don't
create any upset or any being out of balance. Okay,

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but the system is set up to only acknowledge you
once you're out of balance. I want people to wake
up and say, I don't ever want to have heart disease.
That's why I got into healthcare. I initially wanted to
be a cardiothoracic surgeon, and I would have been spectacular
at it because of the way that I approach things.

(29:00):
But I had an epiphany at one point going to
see a natural health care practitioner who motivated me to
go to the down the rabbit hole that I went down,
and I had an epiphany that said, well, what if
I could prevent anybody from ever ending up with heart disease,
why didn't I go from treating people in the effect
in the final outcome of the negative effects, Why don't

(29:24):
I go to the causal component master the understanding of
the consequences of choosing different causes and fix that so
that you never have the negative end of the line outcome.

Speaker 7 (29:42):
So I mean that moved you from being a very specialized,
narrow focus to the general focus that you have now
because you'll treat all kinds of health problems that people come.

Speaker 5 (29:56):
To you with right because at the end of the day,
they all have similar imbalance is your nervous system, which
regulates how the body functions. Can only take so many
different distortion patterns, and when you understand the distortion patterns
and how to remedy them, then if you get the
nervous system communicating properly with the body, and the body

(30:18):
communicating properly back to the brain, and everybody making adjustments
along the way, and it's self managing and self preserving itself,
then you don't have to worry about the long term
negative consequences of not honoring what the body's telling you. No,
you've been honoring what your body's telling you all the time.
I can't. I can tell you that probably eighty percent

(30:39):
of the people that come to see me on a
regular basis, monthly basis, every last one of them are
one hundred percent symptom free. They haven't been sick, heaven
had a health problem in years. Why because we're not
supposed to have problems. I haven't been sick and I
don't know thirty five thirty seven years. In spite of
the people that I deal with a cough, sneeze, breathe,

(31:02):
and mucus on me, I don't pick up what they have.
I get patients periodically to say, doctor Rick, I can't
keep my appointment today, and I'm like, well, that's a
little late in the game to tell me, But why, Well,
I don't feel good. I'm coming down with something and
I'm like, well, that's the best time to come in
and see me. They're like, well, I don't want to
give it to you. I'm like, you don't have to
worry about giving it to me. I would never go

(31:23):
into agreement with the dysfunction that you have because I
practice all day, every day proactive health to where I'm
strengthening my normal function by supporting it to stay normal,
versus going off on a bender, eating crap food, drinking
crap drinks, you know, staying up too late, not getting

(31:46):
enough sleep, burning the candle at both ends. Eventually, wearing
your system down to the point where now all it
does is let you know that you're below the forty
percent thresholds. You're going to have chronic symptoms for the
rest of your life until you change your behavior. I
would just assume teach people how to never end up there,
And that's why I committed to doing what it is

(32:06):
that I do.

Speaker 6 (32:08):
So.

Speaker 7 (32:10):
So the kind of healthcare you provide, you're saying is
basically the only type of health care that a person's
gonna need.

Speaker 5 (32:19):
It's the only type of healthcare that I've needed for
over thirty seven years.

Speaker 7 (32:24):
So when you talk about healing, let's say that because
not everybody is healthy, and people do it.

Speaker 5 (32:30):
They come to me with a problem, right, We're going
to educate them on how to restore balance and how
to maintain that balance. Once they've restored the balance, and
I'm going to help them restore it.

Speaker 7 (32:42):
And there are times when people come to you where
they are past the point of no return, like you
were talking about somebody that has a terminal illness.

Speaker 5 (32:52):
Right, and I'm gonna support them to the best of
the viability anyway. You know, you know, I don't mind
bringing him up. I feel bad bringing him up. You know,
the patient of mine that had advanced stage four pancreatic cancer. Okay,
I got him to where he put on forty pounds,
turned his health around, stop being dependent upon all the

(33:14):
ancillary services that they were giving him in order to
support him through his eventual death. Okay, he died on
his terms. He died. That's sad. I feel bad for him.
I felt bad for his family. I still feel bad
for his family. Okay, well, because nobody should be taken
away from their family before they're actually ready. Okay, But

(33:36):
at the end of the day, medicine killed him. Why
because of what they did to him in an effort
to manage his condition. I made it so he didn't
have pancreatic cancer anymore. But he had other tumors as
a consequence, and one of those tumors required surgery, And
it's the surgery for that tumor that ultimately cost him
his life. But his pancreatic cancer wasn't an issue at

(34:05):
that point. How do I know? Because pancreatic cancer dies
within thirty to forty five days of being discovered. I
helped him live another seven and a half months. He
sent him back to his on colleges who did a
happy dance in the office because he didn't expect to
see him again. And now here he is three and
a half months later, and not only is he better,
he's walking, he looks healthier in his face, he's put

(34:28):
on weight. He's not confined to a wheelchair or even
a walker or anything like that. And the oncologist had
never seen that before, because he wasn't educated to even
think that cancer was something that could be solved without
harsh treatments like chemotherapy and radiation and surgical interventions and

(34:52):
no honor the way that the body is supposed to
function and support the body to do that, and miraculous
things can happen. Have you ever been cut.

Speaker 6 (35:02):
Mark, Yeah, sure I've had.

Speaker 5 (35:04):
And when you've had to cut, what have you done
to really make that heel?

Speaker 7 (35:08):
I mean, the most you do is clean it and
put maybe put a band aid on. There's an antiseptic
or something like that.

Speaker 5 (35:13):
If you're in a position to do that, right, I
don't know. If I'm out doing something and I nicked
my finger and it's like, Okay, I'm gonna stick it
in my mouth and put some saliva on it, just
to make it feel a little bit better, and I'm
gonna go back to doing what it is that I'm doing.
And what happens over.

Speaker 6 (35:31):
Time, Your body heals itself.

Speaker 5 (35:33):
Body heals itself. The body is a self healing mechanism.
What are we doing to support it to continue doing
that instead of supporting it to lose its ability to
do that? To where now you need toxic chemicals and
surgical intervention to overcome a problem that, under the right circumstances,

(35:55):
the body would fix itself.

Speaker 6 (35:57):
Well, I love that. I love that. Doc.

Speaker 7 (36:00):
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Speaker 7 (36:58):
With everything that we're talking about healthcare care from the
patient's perspective and what's going on in the medical world,
it also makes me want to ask the question, is
what's happening in medicine actually serving the people who are
the physicians who are there who I'm sure are motivated
to help people be healthy.

Speaker 5 (37:16):
Well, it's interesting, and I've had a bunch of conversations
and I've seen the transition that goes on. And when
you decide that you want to become a healthcare practitioner,
the motivation for that primarily is altruism. You want to
help your fellow human being. Now, other motivators can come
into the equation over the course of time. Okay, yeah,

(37:39):
come out of medical school and you've got I don't
know half a million dollars in debt through to your education, etc.
And so now you have a motivation to want to
repay back your student loans, and then you have a
motivation to want to, you know, lead the doctor's life
with all the benefits and all the the bonuses that
come along with being a profess national health care practitioner, etc.

(38:04):
And so people's motivation changes over time. I've never lost
my motivation for why I got into healthcare, which is
because I wanted to help people, and so my focus
has always been about helping people. I don't care about
the process that I need to go through in order
to help a person. I don't care about what the

(38:24):
expenses go into wanting to help a person. I don't
even care how long it takes in order to help
a person. I just want to help the person, and
I'll go through whatever means and methods that I need
to in order to help that person, which is why
I've been motivated to go learn thirty three different alternative
health care techniques in addition to the degree that I
was given as a doctor of Chiropractic. But I want

(38:47):
to help people to understand the mechanism of cause. So
my motivation has always been about helping a person understand
and take ownership of their condition because they were the
one who created it and giving them the understanding of
how they can uncreate it and go back to living
a healthy life is really everything that I do in

(39:08):
my office. All I want to do is help a
person get well.

Speaker 7 (39:13):
Yeah, and I know that I've spoken to a number
of doctors, and now what's happening more and more is
the demands that are.

Speaker 6 (39:19):
Being placed on them.

Speaker 7 (39:20):
A lot of the doctors are that I know in
some of the some of the corporate structures are leaving
simply because the onerous tasks that they have to deal with.

Speaker 6 (39:31):
Dealing on the computer.

Speaker 7 (39:32):
I mean, to go to the doctor and it's all
you can do to get them to even look at you,
because they're busy plugging everything into the computers.

Speaker 5 (39:40):
Right because they they got to meet their regulatory minimums
in order to get properly paid, and they have to,
you know, document everything because if there's an audit, and
an insurance company will audit periodically in hopes that the
doctor didn't do their job appropriately, and then they have
a method in which to reclaim whatever claims that they've

(40:04):
paid because the doctor couldn't justify the need for care.

Speaker 6 (40:09):
Right.

Speaker 7 (40:10):
So, I mean, it's not just even that the people
who are the caregivers are also kind of suffering from
the conditions of what's going on with the whole Sickness
Care Act.

Speaker 5 (40:22):
Right. It's one big, huge bureaucracy, and I chose at
a very early part of my career. I actually stumbled
into it, not on purpose but by accident. But it
was the best accident that ever happened to me. My
first five years of practicing, I was in a partnership
and we took every insurance out there in an effort

(40:44):
to help the people. And then there was some things
going on within the practice that I wasn't necessarily in
agreement with. So I chose to leave the practice and
go out on my own. And so when I got
to my new office and I established the office and everything,
I called all the insurance companies that I was providing

(41:05):
service for and I said, listen, my name is doctor
on Tune. I used to be at this particular office
under this particular name, etc. And I used to submit
claims to you. I've left that office. I have a
new office, and I just wanted to update you and
your system so that when I submit my claims that

(41:27):
you'll know to send the payment to my new office
and not my old office. And they were like, well,
thank you for giving us a call. Are you a
new provider? I said no, I'm an old provider. I'm
just in a new location. And they said, well, do
you have the same tax ID number? I said, as
a matter of fact, I don't. I have a new
tax ID number because I left the old practice and

(41:48):
they have that tax ID number. I have a new
tax ID number. And they said, well, that means that
you're a new provider. I said, okay, I don't care
how you classify me. They said, well, we're not accepting
any new providers.

Speaker 6 (42:03):
I said, excuse me.

Speaker 5 (42:04):
They said, yeah, we're not accepting any new providers, which
meant that I couldn't accept insurance because even if I
submitted a claim, they weren't going to honor the claim
because they weren't accepting any new providers. So I went
from all insurance as a method of payment in my
office to none overnight by leaving my former practice. So

(42:25):
now I had to figure out, well, how do I
create value in what I'm doing so that people will
be willing to pay me for what I do. So
my initial fee used to be twenty dollars because I
figured everybody had a twenty dollars bill in their pocket
and they could pay me twenty dollars in order for
me to give them the quality care that I was
going to give them. And over the years, my fees

(42:46):
have obviously increased, and so here I am thirty seven
years later, and I charged fee that I charge. But
I don't have any interaction with the health insurance companies
at all. I don't have to worry about being audited.
Why because my relateationship is with the only person that
it needs to be with, and that's my patient. And
if my patient doesn't like what I'm doing, or doesn't agree,

(43:07):
or doesn't have the ability to wrap their head around
how I'm gonna help them, then they choose not to
come back, and they're perfectly within their right to choose that.
But if you're gonna come to me, you're gonna you
should expect to be able to pay me. And when
you come to me, I'm going to educate you and
support you and nurture you and hold your hand and

(43:28):
bring you from where you are to a place called
better health, to where now I'm no longer needed to
be your training wheels. Now you can ride the bike
without training wheels, without my support, and you're still gonna
use me periodically. Like I have patients to come to
me every month, I have patients to come to me
every other month. I have patients to come to me
once a quarter. I have patients to come to me

(43:49):
once a year. And that's how they choose to use
me to help them manage their health. And they don't
have any issues. I don't have any issues. They know
what they're paying for, they know what they're getting. I
deliver what they're getting in spades. They always get more
than what they're paying for, and you know it. It's

(44:11):
how I've carved out what it is that I do
in order to support myself, but more importantly, to serve
my patients.

Speaker 7 (44:18):
And I guess that is part of why you're able
to spend the kind of time with your patients that
you do.

Speaker 6 (44:24):
I mean, it's not like you.

Speaker 7 (44:26):
Don't come in there, like I know there are other
people in the chiropractic world that have kind of factory
output of putting people through. Could you actually spend quite
a bit of time with every patient that you see.

Speaker 5 (44:40):
Yeah, my initial examine consultation takes an hour and a half.
That's an hour and a half of one on one
time with me answering all your questions and evaluating you
to determine what's going on and what the mechanism of
cause is and ultimately what we need to do in
order to eliminate the problem. And then subsequent visits are
typically thirty mins. And you know, maybe out of the box,

(45:04):
if they're in an acute situation, I might see them
a couple times to get them out of that acute condition,
but ultimately I want to get them to a point
where we figure out what their maintenance schedule is in
order for us to continue to make improvements, but at
a level that they can tolerate and at a level
that their body can actually adapt to what it is
that we're doing, because healing takes a little bit of time.

(45:26):
So we give them a little bit of information to
help get their body to move in the right direction,
and then once it establishes that habitually we're good. Then
we're going to add the next piece and we're going
to build new health from where they're starting out, and
it's really just returning them to the health that they
initially should have had to begin with, Well, that's.

Speaker 7 (45:44):
A really interesting perspective, and I think i'd lend to
dig a little deeper into that. The idea that what
you do is when you see a patient and you
help them, you take them only a certain distance. You're
not trying to resolve the whole thing all at once,

(46:05):
which I think is well, you can't, right, But I
also think that when you go to the medical the
pharmaschological solutions. I have a headache, I take the drug.

Speaker 6 (46:15):
My headache's gone.

Speaker 7 (46:16):
It's gone. It's not like it's gotten a little better.
It's gone. Whereas what I'm hearing from you is that
I come to you with a problem, my problem might
still be there for a while as it gets better
and better and better. And you're looking for that gradual
like line.

Speaker 5 (46:32):
Of been I'm looking for the healing trips the body
needs to heal. Okay, when you have a pain and
you take a pain reliever and the pain is turned off,
did you look to understand why the pain began with?
Most people don't. They're just like, I'm just happy the
pain is gone. But then two days later your pain

(46:53):
comes back, maybe the exact same way, maybe a similar way.
Maybe a little bit different. But the point is, if
you didn't address the problem, the symptoms are gonna come back.
And that's what people experience. They take their medication, the
symptoms go away, they get a side effect, so they
try to figure out how to manage that, maybe through

(47:15):
another medication, maybe through reducing the amount of medication that
they're taking, and eventually the pain comes back again. And
that's because you're not addressing the cause of the problem.
When you come to me, we're gonna focus completely on
the cause. Yes, we're gonna do some palliative pain relieving
along the way and get you out of crisis. But

(47:37):
at the end of the day, just because you dry
the floor that was getting wet from a leak coming
from the ceiling doesn't mean that it's fixed. The next
time the pipe is being used up in the ceiling,
what's gonna happen war It is gonna get wet, wet again,
And it's just like, okay, so you can drive the
floor until the cows come home. You got to go
up into the ceiling and fix the reason for the

(47:59):
leak to begin with.

Speaker 7 (48:00):
You know, it makes me think that one of the
differences is that if you're dealing with that medical care
and you like the statement a doctor will often make
to you, well, your symptoms aren't that bad at this point,
so come back when they get worse. So they're actually
looking at addressing you on the decline path towards more

(48:24):
and more severe health problems, whereas you're looking at trying
to turn.

Speaker 5 (48:28):
That reverse that trend completely. And here's the sad part.
Because they accept health insurance, they have to wait till
it gets worse before they can legally intervene and get
paid fully by the insurance carrier. Because the insurance carrier
isn't going to send a payment out unless you can
quantify that the person qualifies for intervention. They're not going

(48:52):
to pay for you to be well. The misunderstanding that
human beings have about healthcare is that health insurance isn't
about getting you healthy. Health insurance is about getting you
out of crisis. Just like your car insurance doesn't pay
for you to put gas in your car. Your car
insurance pays for your car repair if you have an accident.

(49:14):
Your homeowner's insurance, your worker's comp insurance, all these insurances
are for when you have a crisis. But to be
healthy is when you're not in crisis. So you shouldn't
expect your health insurance to pay for you to be healthy.
That's your job is to keep you healthy. But when
you've let it go so long that now you have

(49:37):
active symptoms, well good, then you can exercise your health insurance.
And then the medical profession is happy to jump in
with both feet and order expensive tests and use very
dramatic methods in which to help address whatever your concern is.
And my perspective is is, don't allow yourself to get
to where that's the only option that you have come

(49:59):
to see, and I'll prevent you from ever needing to
exercise that option.

Speaker 7 (50:03):
So you're and this is really fundamentally what you talk
about in terms of being proactive.

Speaker 5 (50:07):
With proactive and preventative.

Speaker 7 (50:10):
So if you're proactive, you would have to be able
to tell if somebody is on that downward trend well
before they're symptomatic.

Speaker 6 (50:22):
How do you do that?

Speaker 5 (50:24):
Come in and do a functional evaluation. Your body will
lose function before it manifests in its symptom. So if
I can find where you've lost five percent in normal
function well before you're at forty percent or lost sixty
percent and are functioning at forty percent. If I can
catch you at ninety five percent, ninety percent, seventy five percent,

(50:48):
heck even fifty percent, that's still pre symptom. Turn things around,
that still proceeds when medicine is going to allow you
to get involved.

Speaker 7 (50:59):
So this is I mean, fundamentally, like we were saying that,
this is when you talk about the opinions of how
you deal with health, how you deal with sickness, it's
a complete reversal.

Speaker 5 (51:10):
And an ounce of prevention is worth a pound. It
is worth that pound of cure.

Speaker 7 (51:17):
And if you're talking about now, you're already at the
point where you need the cure.

Speaker 6 (51:22):
You want to cure what causes the problem.

Speaker 5 (51:25):
Right, You want to address the mechanism of cause instead
of just dealing with the effect.

Speaker 7 (51:32):
So if somebody's out there and is listening to the
show here and this has stimulated their curiosity or maybe
even gone further than that and said, you know, this
just makes logical sense to be able to approach my
health in this way, and they want to reach out
to you, what are the best ways to get in
contact with you and maybe you can get your specific

(51:53):
questions answered, Maybe you can turn your own health situation
into a positive direction.

Speaker 5 (51:58):
Right, I would say congraduate relations for having that epiphany
and wanting to do something that changes the outcomes that
you're having. And the best way to do that would
be to call my cell phone directly in area code
eight four five five six one two two two five
again eight four five five six one two two two five. Uh,
please don't text that phone. But people don't seem to

(52:20):
hear that, and so I get lots of texts and
it may take me several days or even a week
to get back to you because I just don't even
look at my texts. But if you want, you can
email me. You can email me directly at doc ricdocri
Ck at spineboy dot com, Docrick at spineboy dot com.
You can go to spineboy dot com and get a

(52:41):
wealth of information from my website and then reach out
and call me because it will answer a whole bunch
of your questions. It will help you understand what you're
potentially up against, and then we're on the same page
in terms of helping you. But at the end of
the day, you need to decide that you want help.
This show is called when your healths. You get to
decide when your health matters and when it does. I

(53:03):
would love for you to call me, love for me
to help you restore your health, restore your balance, get
you back in the game of life, and increase your
longevity and your quality of life as well as the quantity.
And nothing would please me more. And I think if
you did it, nothing would please you more. So I'm
guessing that we're out of time.

Speaker 7 (53:24):
Mark, We're just about out of time, all right.

Speaker 6 (53:26):
Thank you for having this show.

Speaker 7 (53:28):
I think it was a lively show, great discussion, and
hopefully it stimulates some people out there to actually look
further into their own health outcome.

Speaker 5 (53:37):
Yeah, be their own advocate for their own health. So
I want to thank you for tuning in. I'd ask
you to tune back in next week, same health time,
same health station. This is doctor Richard on tune from
Advanced Alternative Medicine Center saying I look forward to supporting
you when your health matters.

Speaker 1 (53:56):
My physician say you're definitely ill. That's at the nurse.
I've seen worse than the doctor. Just gave me a pill.
Take one of those three times a day.

Speaker 2 (54:04):
Don't ever stop on till you're nearly dead or almost
better keep out of the reach of children.

Speaker 1 (54:10):
I think is that some side effects? You mean, the
probably will well limits of facts can't come back. And
I'll give you one another film on top of that,
on top of that, on top of that, on top
of that, on top of that, on top of that.

Speaker 2 (54:23):
And then he showed me his bill.

Speaker 1 (54:26):
I putted another pillar head out of the headache has
become a pain in the butt.

Speaker 2 (54:34):
What was just an energy finger now is a swollen
put doctor ripe ban out of bread.

Speaker 1 (54:40):
And I've never walked up a hill. Avoid all diet
and exercise. I'd rather give you a pill.

Speaker 2 (54:45):
The thing is there some side effects being the probably
will well limit