Episode 140: Where Is the Care

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:04):
Be my physician.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
He said, you're definitely ill than to the nurse. I've
seen worse than the doctor.

Speaker 3 (00:09):
Just gave me a pill.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
Take one of those three times today.

Speaker 3 (00:13):
You don't never stop until you're dearly.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
Dinner off a better keep out of the region children.

Speaker 4 (00:18):
The thing is that some.

Speaker 2 (00:19):
Side effects, you mean, the probably will well. Limits of
fact you can't come.

Speaker 3 (00:24):
I'll give you another film.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
On top of that, on top of that, on top
of that, on top of that, on top of that,
on top of that, and then he showed me his bill.

Speaker 3 (00:34):
I've popped another pill.

Speaker 4 (00:36):
Welcome to When Your Health Matters. Your host is doctor
Richard Huntoon of Advanced Alternative Medicine Center located right here
in Pool of Georgia. Doctor Hantoon has been practicing alternative health,
utilizing chiropractic and many other health techniques for the past
twenty seven years to support you when your health matters.
It's his intention to offer practical advice every week for

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you to consider and to apply in your own life
to make your life and the lives of your family
and friends healthier and happier. When you have questions, you'll
get your answers from doctor Rick himself or another expert
on the show. Being empowered to make positive health choices
before problem arises is the best way to approach health,
and doctor Rick promises to have information for you every

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week that will allow you to become proactive and empowered
to take control of your health and your life.

Speaker 5 (01:23):
You are listening to the Alternative Healthcare Network.

Speaker 3 (01:27):
Welcome to this week's show, When Your Health Matters, the
show designed to empower you to better health through knowledge
and education. And I'm your host, doctor Richard Untun from
Advanced Alternative Medicine Center. And here's my partner for the show,
your health Advocate, Mark saban So DOTC.

Speaker 1 (01:42):
Week. Every week we get together to talk about healthcare
and look at health from a variety of different perspectives.
And I think that a lot of people that look
at their health, they really see it simply in terms
of the physical aspects of health. But you see it
as something more than that. Can you explain a little
bit of how you viewed.

Speaker 3 (02:02):
Health act much more than that. Health is so much
more than our physical health is full functioning between the
union of the body, the mind, and the spirit. So
I look at health from seven different pillars that go
into health, it's impacted physically, mentally, emotionally, chemically due to

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too many toxins, allergies, or disruption in the physiology, all
of which can impact and does impact a person's health.

Speaker 1 (02:33):
So how much of healing actually happens naturally and how
much of it requires the intervention of someone like yourself?

Speaker 3 (02:41):
Well, interestingly enough, health is our natural outcome to being,
Mark health is the natural outcome to being. Now, when
we engage in our environment through any of the seven pillars,
imbalances can result that impact our expression of health and
hion of being. And so all of health typically happens

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naturally as long as you're working within the order of
how things function in our environment. It's interesting the Asian culture,
and I learned about it through the Chinese culture. The
Chinese culture has a discipline, if you will, known as

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feng shui, and feng shui is living in balance and
in harmony and creating balance in harmony within your environment.
And so if you just look at how nature does things,
and you interact with nature without trying to control or
distort or change how nature does, then you can become

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part of that natural flow. And through feng shui, if
you set up your home or set up your office,
or set up your living space in a way that
all so promotes that natural harmony and that natural flow.
Then now you're creating a foundational basis for which to
have health.

Speaker 1 (04:09):
Mm hmm. So there's an environmental component to health.

Speaker 3 (04:15):
There can be, you know, it just depends on, Yeah,
what is the environment that you live in. If you
are in an environment of chaos, how healthy do you
think you'll be?

Speaker 1 (04:26):
All Right? It just makes me think about you know,
when you see sometimes these homes that are right next
to the highways or in the intensely urban areas where
there's a.

Speaker 3 (04:36):
Lot of pollution and a lot of chaos.

Speaker 1 (04:39):
A lot of chaos, and then you see a lot
more health issues.

Speaker 3 (04:42):
Right. And so the interesting thing is is how the
Chinese would create a town or create a city, or
create an area where the people that live there are
going to congregate. Okay, when they're going to build a town,

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the first thing that they put in is the bank
and the police station. So you got money and you
got order, and then from that they're now going to
build the town. And when they build the town, the
town comes with certain amenities. And if you live outside
of the town's city limits, you don't have access to

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those amenities. So they would entice people. If you want
government funding, if you want the government to take care
of you and provide you the basics of subsistence, then
you're going to live inside the city limits. And if
you live outside the city limits, then we don't have
any need to try to subsidize your ability to live.

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So they kind of influence and entice people to come
live within the city center where you have all the
conveniences of all that. But what are you exchanging that for.
You're exchanging it for a whole bunch of chaos versus
living on your own little plot of land out in
the middle of nowhere, where you tend to the crops

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and you tend to the livestock and you create a
life for yourself, and every day it's doing the same thing.
It's just tending to your lifestyle and what it's going
to allow you to sustain yourself. And so same thing.
In this country. We have rural areas and we have
urban areas, and the urban areas is where a lot
of chaos takes place, and the rural areas nothing really happens.

Speaker 1 (06:33):
Now when you're talking about having a health condition, there
seems to be an approach to it which is about
managing the condition and treating the symptoms. And that's very
different than your approach, which is to bring somebody back
to wellness, actual wellness and health.

Speaker 3 (06:51):
Right, when I look at a person seeking my health,
we want to understand their complaint or their reason for
seeking help with their health. After understanding the health challenge
that they're facing, the history of the problem, and the
impact that's having on their life, we begin to orient
them to looking for the cause versus focusing on the
negative outcome that they're experiencing. And by addressing the cause

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of their concern, they return to wellness. And when we
support them to stay that way and stay well through
adjustments and nutritional support, etc. They now know what it
takes to manage their own health, which is how it
should be anyway.

Speaker 1 (07:32):
Well, you've talkt about managing health, not managing conditions.

Speaker 3 (07:36):
Right, Let's help you to be healthy and then manage
you to stay healthy, as opposed to just accepting the
fact that at a certain age you're going to have
different health concerns and then we're going to help you
manage them. Will help you manage your blood pressure, will
help you manage your diabetes, will help you manage your cholesterol,
will help you manage your knee pain until we need

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to replace your knee. Will help you manage your whatever
the condition happens to be. It's all about management with
lots of treatment and coming back for tests so that
you can go for more management and more treatment and
then having more tests. And it's just a vicious cycle.
It's a big spider web. Once you're in the system,

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it makes it really difficult for you to get out,
and it makes it difficult for you to get off
the medication, and it makes it difficult for you to
actually attain the goal that you went there for, which
is to be healthy. But there's nothing in healthcare that
focus is on trying to get you to be healthy,
because then that stops their ability to have a hand

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in your pocket so that they can continue to keep
their doors open.

Speaker 1 (08:43):
Yeah. I know that. When you get to the point
where you have helped somebody and then guided them back
to a healthier condition, then part of the program that
you look at is how do you remain proactive about
your health so you stay ahead of your health being
on track to be healthy rather than waiting till you

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have some disease or symptoms that needs to be treated
and managed.

Speaker 3 (09:08):
Right, So two points number one, in order to have
a disease or a symptom, you have to lose sixty
percent of normal functioning, So you have to be sixty
percent deficient from health in order to qualify for medical
intervention to where your health insurance is actually going to
pay for you to go have care. I don't know
anybody that wants to lose sixty percent of normal functioning

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and then managed to stay right around there as opposed
to being as close to one hundred percent as they can. Okay,
So that's one of the differences in orientation. Your birthright
is to be healthy. I want you to be healthy,
and I want to help you understand based upon the
choices that you've made and the actions that you've taken,
and the effects that they've created on your body, whether

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they're acute or whether they're chronic. I want to teach
you what did you do to create the problem, empower
you to take control back and god you to where
you're now, back as close to one hundred percent as possible,
and then support you in staying there.

Speaker 1 (10:09):
That's a remarkable difference in the way that you're approaching.
And I wonder how much of what's going on with
your healthcare is simply a mindset of how you orient
yourself towards your health.

Speaker 3 (10:22):
Well, there's a huge amount of that that's involved when
people start to identify with their condition, when they talk
about my diabetes, my high blood pressure, my cancer, my
autoimmune disease, my hashimotos my knee problem. Okay, is that

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if they're identifying with their condition, do you think that
is the correct mindset to help them transcend their condition
to where they're back to being healthy.

Speaker 1 (10:56):
I know, it almost becomes a badge of honor. You
know that I now have ashimotives.

Speaker 3 (11:04):
Right when I first moved down to Savannah, I went
to a lime support group and I offered a solution
to the nine women that were there of how they
could not have lime anymore.

Speaker 1 (11:20):
And what was their response?

Speaker 3 (11:22):
Not one of them took me up on it. They
were investing in and commiserating about and telling stories of
how their lime is so bad, which is why their
life is miserable. And I offered them a road out
of their condition, and not one of them called me,

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and that's fine, that's totally their choice. I'm not offended
by it. I just find it. I don't know, I
find it retarded. Okay. If a person knows that what
they're doing is leading to a bad outcome and they're
not willing to change it after they're aware of the
fact that they're what they're doing is leading to a
bad outcome, then they must want to experience the bad outcome.

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I've had a countless number of patients over the years
who I showed them that I could help them and
they rejected what I offered them. Why Because they identify
with their disease states so much that if I'm going
to change their outcome, I'm going to change their identity.
And they don't know how to manage their life anymore.
They know how to manage their life in a sickness state,

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they don't know how to manage their life in a
healthy state. Therefore, they're going to resist and they're going
to do everything that they can to avoid that as
an outcome. Now that's not everybody, but there is a
certain percentage of our society that is that way. Those
people can't be helped until they decide that they want

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things to change.

Speaker 1 (12:52):
Well, what about people who would just sit there and say, well,
I'm just going to act as if I don't have
a health condition when they actually do, and they right
to sort of live in that kind of denial, kind
of the flip side.

Speaker 3 (13:03):
Of what you're doing. Well, there's a whole adage out
there that you fake it till you make.

Speaker 1 (13:07):
It, and how does that work in terms of being
able to bring you back to health?

Speaker 3 (13:12):
If you tell yourself that you feel well enough times
you're unconscious, will actually start to agree with that, But
you've got to be really consistent and you have to
demonstrate with your actions that you're well. You can't try
to tell yourself that you're well and then put a

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whole bunch of crap food in your body, because the
ingredients aren't going to support whatever it is that you
think that you're trying to tell yourself. Now, if you
put quality ingredients in and you tell yourself that you're
getting healthier and healthier every day, well good. Now, the
energetic being that you are has the raw materials and

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has the proper mindset. Everybody's in alignment, okay, to lead
to the outcome that you're looking for. But all health
problems are an incongruence. They're an incongruence Emotionally, they're an incongruence. Mentally,
they're an incongruence. Chemically, they're incongruence. Physically, there's an incongruence spiritually.
It just depends on where the incongruence is in helping

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to identify the incongruence and what we need to do
in order to make things go back to be incongruent.

Speaker 1 (14:24):
So the idea of using some kind of affirmative self
talk can be one cornerstone of that journey back into health. Oh.

Speaker 3 (14:35):
Absolutely, you need to be mindful of the story that
you tell yourself when you're alone. Everybody will put on
a social veneer. Everybody will be successful, everybody will be happy.
You see somebody on the street, Hi, how are you.
I'm fine, how are you? And you look at the
person and you can just tell they're as far away

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from fine as possible. But the social veneer says that
that's what the normal answer is supposed to be. Oh,
I'm fine, Are you really? I don't know. I'm not
experiencing you as being fine, But we don't. It's not
how we act in society.

Speaker 1 (15:16):
Well, on the other side of it is if you
do have a health issue, one of the things is
going to inevitably rise up is a level of fear
that you have that you know you're on. This is
the checkout item that you're going to go to the
register with.

Speaker 3 (15:33):
Yeah, and that's certainly so you can do one of
two things. You could feed the fear, and I promise
you your problem is going to get bigger, or you
can look at it objectively, which means without the emotion.
Put the emotion aside. Okay, I'm going to look at
the components. That is my condition. I'm going to figure

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out which components are working, which components aren't working. What
I mean to do to either let go of the
components that aren't working and replace them with components that are,
or change the components that aren't working to making them work.
And when you understand how to get rid of the garbage.
But don't throw out the baby with the bathwater. Okay,

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you want to keep the baby. Okay, you're not inherently flawed.
You maybe were raised to think that you're inherently flawed.
Parents say things to their children all the time, and
they have no idea the emotional effect that that creates
on a child who's just looking to a parent for
some level of love, some level of accepting, some level

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of autonomy. Okay. And so the most confident person in
the world, at least on the outside, is probably the
least confident on the inside unless they've done some self work,

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some self healing work. Okay, And so we can all
put on a game face. We've all learned how to
put on a game face. Sinteresting. I get people to
come into my office that have had some level of
abuse earlier on in their life, and I can recognize
them right away because I've seen enough of them, and

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I'm just gonna sit there and I'm gonna watch them
tell me their story of who they've adopted instead of
who their real person is. And after I gain enough
of their understanding, then I'll ask them a question that's
going to push up against who they really are, not
who they're putting out as their social veneer. And as

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long as they answer that first question, I can help them.
If they're not willing to answer that first question, I
will continue to try to support them and nurture a
place of safety to where then at some point when
they feel safe enough, they will receive the help they need.
It's interesting. I was watching a video. I watch videos
all the time on YouTube in between patients or what

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have you. And I was watching a video of this
dog who was walking down the side of the street,
and this person who was holding the camera came up
on the dog, and the dog was very apprehensive and
very frightened and skittish, and so the person just started
throwing them little bits of food. And after throwing the dog,

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I don't know about twenty five pieces of food, the
dog was willing to come closer because the dog was
just trying to solve I'm out here on the street.
I haven't eaten in a while. If this guy is
gonna keep throwing me food, I'm gonna get closer so
I can get more. Okay, I'm starting to trust in
the fact that he's actually giving me stuff that's going
to help me. And he eventually got the dog, and
he put the dog in his car, and he brought

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the dog to his house and they show them the
various stages of what ends up happening with this dog,
and the dog was saved, and the person who did
the saving was also safe, and it was fascinating to
watch it, And so I watched these feel good videos
all the time because ninety nine times out of one hundred,
it's a positive story. And those are the kinds of

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things that lift me up in my day and help
to nurture me. When somebody comes in and they're having
a real difficult time with their health situation, and I'm
trying to pull them out of the fire, and they're
having difficulty coming out of the fire, and then I'm
impacted a little bit by the fact that I couldn't
turn their whole boat around all in one visit kind
of thing. And so I just find things that are

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self affirming and are about what spirit is in life
and helping animals and helping people and doing the right
thing and all of that because guess what we're all
suffering on some level.

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Speaker 1 (20:43):
When you're on this road to try to get to
the kind of healthcare that you're looking for, how do
you actually turn your focus towards wellness on that journey?

Speaker 3 (20:53):
Well, it's it's really just about asking the one most
important question, and the most important question is not what's
wrong with you? Whereas most people want they go to
the doctor, doctor, what's wrong with me? That's the natural question.
And then the doctor gives you quote a diagnosis, and
the word diagnos literally means two people who don't know.

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So I would venture to say that the right question
to ask is why do I have the outcome that
I'm experiencing? Okay, you tell me that I have high
blood pressure. I'm willing to accept the fact that I
have high blood pressure. You've shown me by taking my
blood pressure that this is what it is and that's

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considered high by the standards of how we measure blood pressure. Okay,
I accept the fact that I have high blood pressure.
I just have one question, and the doctor will be like,
thank God, only one question. I hate when patients have
lots of questions. This guy's got one question. Okay, he's
going to be a good patient. What's your question? Can

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you tell me why? Oh, that's the one question I
I don't want it to ask because I have no
idea why it's high blood pressure. There's too many reasons
for high blood pressure. I don't even know how I
would address all those reasons. So we're just going to
address them by giving him a pill that's going to
artificially regulate his blood pressure, and we're just going to
focus on that. We're never going to even go back

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and revisit the question of why. But that's the only
question that needs to be answered.

Speaker 1 (22:22):
Well, it seems like a whole approach that they're taking
is a triage approach.

Speaker 3 (22:26):
It is a triage approach. And that's not necessarily a
bad thing. If you're in a crisis, you need triage.
I remember watching the wonderful series called MASH Mobile Army
Surgical Hospital, which is what MASH stands for for those
of you who don't know. Okay, and I love the show.
I've watched this series every show that they've done twice

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because it's just great comedy, but it's also emotionally pluck
your heartstrings by based upon who the character are, how
they develop those characters and the relationship and just the
hells of war. Wonderful TV series. But at the end
of the day, when they get a busload of injured soldiers,

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they go through the triage of who's the biggest priority,
who's second, who can wait longer, who's just got We
just got to set a leg. We can do that,
that's easy. But this person's got blood gushing out of them.
We got to do something to help them immediately. So yeah,
it's about triage. So when you go to the emergency room,
they want to deal with whatever the crisis is, and

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then they want to kick you out and send you
back to your primary and that's what happens. And so
there's not a lot of care that goes on in
the emergency room, even though that's where people go when
they have an emergency, and then they go to their
primary care doctor and they may not be able to
get into their primary I got a patient who just
told me that she had to cancel her appointment because
her kid's doctor. Okay, it takes them six months to

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get in, and the kids doctor wants to see them
on the same day that she has an appointment with me,
And Okay, I understand the insanity of the fact that
if you don't take that appointment, that it's going to
be another six months before you can get your kids in,
which is literally retarded. And we'll find another day to

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see her. She's asking for another day. I'll give her
another day. But I always I want a question, why
are you putting yourself second? Why are you putting your
health care needs second? Why are you putting other people's
health care needs before your own? Well, she's a mom
and these are kids that are seven and nine, and
so I understand that she's going to do what she's
got to do for her kids because of whatever. She

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just simply brought her kids to me. She wouldn't need
to deal with any of that. But she's not ready
to do that yet. She's still working on herself. But
at the end of the day, what's important to understand
is is that when we go into the doctor, we
need to get the one question that's most important answered
after they tell us what they think our problem is,

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can you explain to me why I have my problem?
And we need to train our healthcare staff to expect
to be able to answer that question. But the challenge
is is that the medical schooling doesn't teach the why.
They teach what are we going to prescribe or what

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are we going to recommend as a result of these
physical symptoms and signs that we can validate as being accurate.
So then we're interested in doing the triage. We're interested
in just dealing with the crisis. And the crisis in
healthcare in this country is getting rid of your symptoms.
That's called relief care.

Speaker 1 (25:40):
It's not cure.

Speaker 3 (25:42):
No, the cure is not a word you can use
in healthcare. It's it's a four letter bad word in healthcare.
You can't talk about curing anything. They will literally come
arrest you and shut you down. Okay, so you can't
cure anything. But you can help people heal. I have

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my colleagues that think, well, Rick, I went to the
same chiropractic college that you went to, and I don't
do any of the stuff that you do. How do
you help somebody with cancer? How do you help somebody
with advanced stage four pancreatic cancer. How do you help
somebody with diabetes? How do you help somebody with high
blood pressure? Same way I help somebody that has low
back pain. Well, how's that I help the patient? Not

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treating the condition. The condition is an outcome of an
imbalance within the patient. Let me bring the patient back
into balance and the condition will go away as fast
as it came. Treat, then, don't treat the condition. Treat
the patient, understand the patient. We're here to care for
our fellow human beings. That's what the purpose of being

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a human being is, just to help out a human beings.

Speaker 1 (26:53):
Yeah, but you know, in all fairness, one of the
things that you have done is that you're continue education.
Over the thirty forty years of year practice has been
to continually learn more about not only about how to
treat people's health, but also what are the things that
are impacting people's health. So that you have an understanding.

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So when that question that you want to answer the
question of why do you have this disease, you have
already sort of looked at the map of what happens
to a person's health, so you have an ability to
see and to test and to discern what's going on
so that you can actually address those issues. You might
have one treatment method that you.

Speaker 3 (27:38):
Use, no, not at all. And so when you're working
with an individual, they have their unique makeup, so to speak,
their unique chemistry, their unique ingredients that goes into them
being them. I need to learn what those ingredients are
and how they all work together to unwind what's going
on with them and then empower them to go through

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the process of restoring balance to where they've been educated
on how to maintain that balance for themselves. And the
difference is is the fact that I want to understand
the mechanism of cause. I want to address the why
of what they have, so that they go from being

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a passenger and saying, what's wrong with me? Why do
I have this? What is my diagnosis? What do we
do for it? What medication do you want me on? Okay,
we're not meant to take toxic chemicals known to have
harmful side effects. It's the number one form of care
in this country and in the world. But we're not
meant to do that, Okay. The TV will try to

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disallow us of that. The print ads, the Internet ads,
the radio ads, all of that will try to disallow
us of that. We don't need to be dancing around
in a park with a bunch of other overweight people
telling us how great we are because we're taking this
particular medication that's going to help us lose weight. No,
the reason why you have a weight management issue, addressed

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the self esteem issue, address the imbalance between your stomach
spleen and pancreas, and address the relationship between what you're
putting in your pie hole and why you're putting it
in your pie hole and the effect that it's having.

Speaker 1 (29:15):
Well, one of the things that you said earlier on
in our conversation today was that you need to accept
where you are. You have to have that starting place.
It's kind of like using your GPS exactly. You got
to know where you're starting exactly.

Speaker 3 (29:32):
And the cool thing about a GPS is you don't
have to tell it where you are. It knows where
you are. And from that starting place, what do you
plug into the GPS where you want to go? You
plug into the destination or where you want to arrive.
So in my office we talk about where you are.
We've taken a look at where you are. I've explained

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to you all the components associated with where you are
and good. Now we're going to map a GPS course
you to end up where you're going to end up
in a place which is where I want all my
patients to end up, which is a place called health
and happiness.

Speaker 1 (30:10):
Well, the other thing about the GPS model, and this
is something that you do, is that every time that
you see someone in your office, you test them again
to see where they are in that moment.

Speaker 3 (30:20):
Right, did what we did last time? Was the treatment effective?
So I always review what we've done to make sure
that that's solid before we move on to what's next.
And so woman that was in my office this morning,
I knew she had the question. She hadn't asked a question,

(30:42):
but I could feel the question that she wanted to understand. Well,
you treated something last time I was here. How do
we know that it's doing better? Good? Let me show
you this is what we treated last time. What did
this do for you the last time you hold it? Well,
it created a weakness. Good, let's take a look at

(31:04):
it now. What is that doing? Well? Now I'm strong. Yes,
because your body's saying we have what we need. It's
not better yet, but we have what we need. We're
oriented in the right way so that we're going to
take care of getting this healed the rest of the way.
You've given us what we need, we'll finish the job.

(31:24):
You can go on to whatever's next. Because another part
of us is also out of balance. Go address that part,
because we'll take care of this part. So every time
a person's in my office, we reassess where they were,
where they are, and how we're going to get them
to be that place called better.

Speaker 1 (31:42):
So you're looking at once you sort of re establish
the balance in one area. Now you can sort of say, well,
we're still not completely in balance. We haven't returned to
that one hundred percent that you're targeting. So you need
to be able to sit what else is out of
balance or what where do we How do you prioritize
what comes next?

Speaker 3 (32:02):
Well, you simply ask the body what it's priority, so
I can give you an example, a woman's in my
office right now. She's got bilateral sciatica. So the pain
of the largest nerve in your body is the sciatic nerve.
It goes down the back of both of your thighs
and then covers everything from the knee down all the
way to the tips of your toes. So she's got
bilateral sciatic pain. She called me and she wants to

(32:25):
know if I can help her with that. I'm like, well,
I actually know what's causing that, so yes, I can
absolutely help you because I've helped hundreds of people with
sciatica and it's not a hard thing to fix, okay,
But orienting her, she's focused on where she has pain.
She's not focused on why she has pain. She's focused
on where she has pain. So she wants her sciatica

(32:46):
to go away. And so I had to help her
to understand that you have what's called an anterior hip subluxation,
which means that the hip joint itself has just moved subtly.
The bone that goes into the socket has moved subtly
forward about I don't know, maybe a sixteenth of an inch.
That changes the whole dynamic of the muscles in her butt,

(33:09):
and one of the muscles is called the puriformius muscle,
and the puriformance muscle lays over the top of the
siatic nerve. So when that hip goes out of its
normal place, it changes the length of that puriformous muscle,
which ends up putting pressure on the sciatic nerve, causing
pain wherever that nerve goes, depending upon how much pressure's
on it. For her, she's got a lot of pressure

(33:30):
on it. Good, So I tested her. I showed her
that she has an anterior hip subilixation. We put the
hips back, We showed her that the muscle test was strong.
She still has discomfort going down her leg. But she
has a plethora of reasons for why she has the imbalance.
I need to address, well, why did her hips go out?
Where her hips actually went out? Because she has an

(33:52):
imbalance hormonally, and the part of the brain that regulates
that hormonal system while she's going through menopause is out
of balance because it's never had to do menopause before.
It's always had some kind of monthly cycle since she
was a young lady, early teenage years. Okay, so now
she's no longer having that phase of her health and

(34:15):
her body doesn't have the wherewithal in which to transition
from prior to being menopausal after being menopausal. And what
that's done is because that part of her brain isn't
regulating her hormones properly, it's causing her hips to go
out of balance. So we need to address the hormonone
balance and we're going to need to feed those hormones,
but we need to also address what are the reasons

(34:38):
that are impacting for her hormonal system to be out
of balance. And when we address all of that, all
of her hip and leg pain will go away. But
it's not going to be a one size fits all.
It's also not going to be a quick making adjustment.
And oh my god, it was a miracle the problems cured.

Speaker 1 (34:56):
Yeah, Now, because you're dealing with something where there's a
larger issue behind the symptom that she came in with.

Speaker 3 (35:05):
Right, and the chronicity of it m hm.

Speaker 1 (35:09):
So the fact that it's there, it's been there for
a while, right, right, So you have to unwind it.

Speaker 3 (35:16):
Right. Rome wasn't built in a day. We're not going
to repair this issue in a couple of visits, especially
if we're going after the why and addressing the cause. Okay,
that's that's you know, you get a cut, just because
it stops bleeding doesn't mean that it's healed. Right, It's
going to take a little while to heal. But you're
out of crisis. You don't need to even wear a
band aid anymore. Good. The band aid was for the relief. Okay, good,

(35:38):
Now you're out of the relief part. Now the real
healing takes place.

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Speaker 1 (36:36):
So in your practice, what would it mean and what
does it mean? I guess in your practice when the
patient's interests come first.

Speaker 3 (36:45):
Great question. It's something that we need to reorient in
terms of the whole healthcare industry. It's about doing the
right thing and honoring the oath of the healthcare professional
to do no harm and understand who is the boss
and who is the employee within the relationship. As an employee,
if you want to support my boss and maintain the relationship,

(37:07):
then I must serve the best interests of my patient.
The patient is the boss in this relationship. The doctor
is the employee. But we put our doctors on a
pedestal and we cower down to them and we pay
homage to them. And how can you know what can

(37:29):
I do to be in your good graces? Okay? And
at the end of the day, the doctor works for
the patient. And in the real world between owners and employees,
if the owner's needs aren't being met, what usually happens

(37:49):
to the employee, then the employee eventually the employee is
going to get fired. They'll try at least twice to
make a correction, but if the direction doesn't take, then
the employee is going to be fired. Well, if the
doctor who is the employee in the doctor patient relationship,
it's actually the patient doctor relationship. The patient is the

(38:11):
boss because they're the ones who have to say. They're
the ones who have the purse strings. They're the ones
who decide if they're going to go back or not,
versus the doctor needs to earn their keep. They need
to care, they need to care for their patient. It's
not about how many people you can see, It's about
how many quality lives are you changing.

Speaker 1 (38:35):
Well, I think that's the orientation that most of the
physicians that I know, but now that they have become
in this corporatized medical care system that we have, where
they are oftentimes getting pushed around to be able to
meet the demands of who is ostensibly their employer. Because
even though the patient's supposedly paying from we've taken that

(38:57):
away from the patient paying and now that patients paying
the health insurance, and the health insurance is making the
decision on what the doctor can do and what the
doctor gets paid, and how the doctor.

Speaker 3 (39:08):
Performs right, And so how do you feel about that system?

Speaker 1 (39:12):
I mean, that system just seems backwards in terms of
what you're talking about. Now. I know that the doctors
who have done all this, they've gone through massive amounts
of school and education and residency and internships to learn
their skills and their craft. So they've invested an enormous
amount of their time and energy and heart into what

(39:33):
they're doing. So their motivation is ostensibly going to be
one where they're trying to help people, right, and they're
now being hamstrung. And I'm seeing that in the medical
communities near where I live, a lot of these doctors
are leaving the practices because they just can't cope with
what the demands that are being placed on them.

Speaker 3 (39:53):
Correct, and they have to learn how to reinvent themselves
to where they can actually develop an income to replace
the income that they were making by being tied to
the system. And it's interesting there are different doctors who
have made that transition and they advertise themselves on the internet,
and they advertise themselves to the people who are on

(40:16):
Facebook or what have you, and they develop a following
based upon the products that they're promoting in an effort
to solve a particular condition that lots of people have.
And it's just, I'll be honest with you, it's not
any different than what medicine does. It's just they're not
doing it under the auspices of getting paid by the

(40:39):
insurance carrier. Now they're doing it under the auspices of
getting paid directly from the patient. And if they're selling
a particular product that's supposed to have and you can
watch an infomercial on this particular product and they'll take
you through a long drawn out story about how they
went to the I don't know the jungles of such
and such and they found this ingredient. They were able

(41:01):
to find a manufacturer that could cultivate that ingredient, and
it's the only place in the world that has it,
and we're the only ones that have it, And you
can't get it on Amazon and blah blah blah and
this and that, and you can only get it through us,
and we're having a sale, and if we run out
of ingredients, then you're not going to be able to
get it. So you should probably get as much as
you possibly can, because we don't know if we're going

(41:23):
to have and there's just this whole, big, long marketing
stuff and if you've watched the presentation, which I will
sometimes do that as research for what else that's out there,
so that when somebody comes in, I can say, well,
let me tell you why there's a problem with that.
So I'll do the research and I'll take the time
to go through their whole presentation. And at the end
of the day, it's just more marketing. It's much more gimmickry.

(41:47):
And what they're trying to do is is if they
advertise to the masses, then they don't have to be
sitting in an office and they can't see one patient
at a time. No, they've got thousands of people that
are taking up them up on their their product that
they've manufactured, and they're making boatloads of money, so they've
replaced their income. They're no longer attached to the healthcare industry.

(42:10):
But they're doing it on their terms. And that's fine,
that's a great business model. But at the end of
the day, they're still not educating a patient on how
to take control of their own health.

Speaker 1 (42:20):
No, they're not. And I mean a lot of those
things that are going on. But I think about a
lot of the physicians that are hooked into that world
where they need the employment because just from the financial standpoint,
if you've come out of medical school and you've got
mountains of debt trying to be able to repay that.
I mean, I know that many people who've lived into

(42:42):
their fifties and even sixties and they're still paying off
their college debt. So there's a whole cycle that has
to be sort of reconstructed if we're going to be
able to answer this question. And when you took the
direction that you went, which was to to take yourself
out of collecting from insurance and taking a direct payment,

(43:04):
it allows you to actually have that kind of relationship
you're talking about with your patient.

Speaker 3 (43:09):
Well, it forces me to have that relationship, which is
the ideal relationship to where my patient and I are partners.
But I know that they're the ones who are in charge.
They're looking to me for guidance, and I need to
step up and give them the guidance that they want
in order to maintain my employment with them. My patient
is the one that's in charge. So when they come

(43:30):
to me and they have certain critiques about what it
is that I'm doing or how I'm doing it, or
what they're experiencing and how come they're not better yet
or whatever. I have to take their question seriously why,
because it's going to be make or break the relationship
at that point, and it's like I just constantly have

(43:51):
to reassure them that we're on the right path, we're
making progress. Healing takes a little bit of time. I
can't tell you when you're going to feel one hundred percent.
I can just tell you that it's going to be gradual.
But one day you're going to wake up and you're
going to look back and you're going to say, huh,
I don't have that condition anymore. I don't remember when
it went away. I just know that I don't have

(44:12):
it anymore, because that's typically how it happens. It happens
and you're not even aware of the fact that your
condition magically disappeared. Why, Because you're doing all the right things.
You're giving the body everything that it needs to balance
itself on its own, and one day it's going to
decide that it has what it needs that it can
balance itself on its own, and all of a sudden,

(44:32):
you feel better and you don't recall what specifically happened
in your treatment that made it all go away.

Speaker 1 (44:39):
Right, Well, it would seem that one of the things
that might happen to somebody that comes in and has
a condition. And we talked a little bit about this,
but there's so much fear around health and our health
being in decline. So in this process, in these conversations
you're talking about having with your patience, how do you
address the fears that somebody has that you know, I've

(45:01):
got this terrible condition. I don't think I'm ever going
to get over. What can I do?

Speaker 3 (45:05):
Well, what is it that you're asking for? Are you
asking for us to just maintain your condition as it
slowly deteriorates because you've given into fully that it's never
going to get better. Or can I show you something
different that may change your perspective to actually give you
hope that things actually can get better. What are you

(45:25):
interested in?

Speaker 1 (45:27):
Well, I'm interested in finding that hope that you're talking about.

Speaker 3 (45:30):
Excellent, So then let's no longer pay attention to what
your doctor told you that your condition is going to
continue to deteriorate, it's never going to get well, it's
always going to need management. Let's forget about that. That's
the treadmill of treatment. I haven't used that term in
a while. Okay, that's the treadmill of treatment where you
keep going back and it never changes and you're just

(45:52):
simply spinning your wheels. Let's stop looking in that direction
and let's look for the relationships of why you have
your concern and when we undercut, when we discover and
uncover all the reasons for why you feel the way
that you feel, We're then going to determine what is

(46:13):
the recipe or what is the specific order for you?
Not your neighbor, not somebody that was also in the
office with you that has the same condition, not the
person on the television that is selling the symptom reliever
that is for your condition, none of the What is
your specific What are the ingredients that we need to

(46:35):
bring into balance in the order that we need to
bring them back into balance for you to recover your health?
And let's focus on you recovering your health, not managing
your condition.

Speaker 1 (46:47):
So what happens when I'm because I've heard that the
doctor gave me that diagnosis, and I can't just put it.
I could try to compartmentalize it and not think about it,
but then it keeps coming back. How do I deal
with that recycling of those negative thoughts?

Speaker 3 (47:04):
Just know that over time those are going to move
to the background, and then you won't even have them,
and you won't even know that you didn't have them
because you're not focused on them. When you start out
on a particular journey, that's all caved in with negativity
and pain and discomfort and lack of function, etc. Yeah

(47:25):
that's real, that's true. This is what's going on for you.
But I don't want you to stay there. So we
actually need to focus on where we're going. And as
you focus on where you're going, and you keep bringing
your mind back to where you're going, yes, you're gonna
get reminders that says it's still there. I remember a patient,
Tracy used to come into my office. God bless her.

(47:47):
She was such a wonderful lady. She had a little
back condition. We gave her an adjustment, she went away,
she came back, gave her another adjustment, she went away.
When she came back, I said, well, how do you feel?
She says, well, I feel better, but I can still
make it hurt. I'm just like, well, why would you
do that? Well, I just want to see how much

(48:07):
of is it's still there? I'm like, but yeah, that
keeps you stuck there, though, why don't you do things
to make it feel better instead of trying to see
if it's still there and you can still make it hurt.
Because if you're still making it hurt, you're actually still
keeping it alive. That was a funny visit. Yeah, but
I can still make it hurt, And I was like,
why would you do that?

Speaker 1 (48:27):
It's a good question, But I think that one of
the things that you know pain, and I think a
lot of times pain has information and it's communicating something
to you. And the question is if I come into
the office and I have the pain, can we help
to discover why I have that particular pain and what's

(48:48):
behind it?

Speaker 3 (48:48):
In my office, that's the only thing we're going to
focus on, is why you have the pain and what
you did to create it, and what you need to
do to uncreate it, and what's the path that we're
going to need to take out of your pain once
and for all.

Speaker 1 (49:01):
Now, let's say I have high blood pressure, I've got diabetes,
I've got you know, several other things going on. How
do you know what? Where do you begin in terms
of addressing my problems?

Speaker 3 (49:16):
Well, are you all those conditions? Are you a person
who has those conditions?

Speaker 1 (49:21):
I'm looking as a person who has those conditions.

Speaker 3 (49:23):
Good, So I'm going to address you as a person
who has imbalances, and I'm going to uncover why you
have your imbalances, and then we're going to have Okay,
this is the cause of my diabetes, This is the
cause of my high blood pressure, this is the cause
of my cholesterol imbalances, this is the cause of why
I have low back pain. Great, Which one of those

(49:44):
is the biggest priority? Well, it could be any one
of the four, but your body's going to have a
priority level for it. Maybe you need to be able
to be amulatory. And all the other conditions are you know,
more chronic, but they're low grades. Y're not something that's
really earating at the time. So good. Maybe your low
back is your biggest priority. So we're going to address

(50:05):
the low back, and in the process of addressing the
low back, we're going to see what we can do
in order to help the cholesterol, the blood sugar, the
high blood pressure, etc. We're going to help those things
to come back in the balance. I want to use
an example of somebody very near and dear to me.

(50:28):
I have a friend of mine who was diagnosed with
a polyp in his gallbladder, and the advice that he
was given was they wanted to remove his gallbladder, and
he wasn't sure that he wanted to do that. So
he decided to come to me and put his faith
in me, which was very It was very moving to

(50:50):
me that he would put that level of trust within me.
And so over the last several months, we've been working
with him in a very gentle, almost a passive way.
We've given him some supplements that's going to help his
gallbladder come back into balance, and he's been taking this

(51:10):
particular regime over the last several months. We knew that
when he went in, when he came in to see me,
we knew that he had this ultrasound situation that showed
that he had a poll up in his gallbladder. And
so what was nice was the fact that he's gone
back for studies after the months that we've been supporting

(51:32):
him with a passive protocol where he just takes these
particular supplements at particular times, because each one of them
has a particular effect that it's going to have. And
he went and he had a repeat scan of sorts,
and of all things, the polyp was no longer there.

(51:53):
And it's like, huh, I would be curious what goes
on inside the medical doctor's head wanted to remove his
gallbladder because there was a pollop in there. What his
thought process is now that that polyp is no longer there.

Speaker 1 (52:09):
That would be a good thing to find out.

Speaker 3 (52:11):
Yeah, And at the end of the day, it wouldn't
be for me to understand what his thought process was.
It would be for him to understand and change his
perspective about what's possible versus what First do no harm
doing a surgical procedure for whatever reason without considering that

(52:33):
there's maybe another way that is less invasive and less violent,
if you will, okay, and getting the same outcome, but
actually a better outcome because the organ is still there
as opposed to it not being there. That's really what's
important is taking care of the patient.

Speaker 1 (52:50):
That's a great thing, Doc Greck, And that's a great
story to end on. We're out of time for today's show,
but I want to give you at least a few
moments to just quickly let people know if they're in
a situation where they're being given a diagnosis such as
this person, what are the best ways to reach out
to you?

Speaker 3 (53:08):
Oh, the best way to reach out to me would
be to call my cell phone directly at area code
eight four five five six one two two two five
again eight four five five six one two two two five.
You can text me on that phone, but I don't
typically return text or pay attention to text, but you
can do that if you want. I would suggest that
you either call and leave me a message on the

(53:29):
cell phone or that you email me directly at doc
ric doc Riick at spineboy dot com. Doc Rick at
spineboy dot com. I want to help you. I want
to help you in the best way possible for you
to just gain regain your health and go back to
living the life that you want to live instead of
suffering with health conditions. And so, if you're out there

(53:50):
and you have a condition or a concern, or you
have a long term health imbalance that you've been managing
with medication and other interventions, if you want to get
a different outcome, you got to be prepared to do
things differently. I would welcome you to give me a call,
and I would welcome the conversation that we could have,
hopefully to change your life for the better. I want

(54:12):
to thank you for tuning in this week. Tune back
in next week, same health time, same health station. This
is doctor Richard on tune from Advanced Alternative Medicine Center, saying,
I look forward to supporting you when you're health man.

Speaker 2 (54:28):
My position, he said, you're definitely ill. Then to the nurse,
I've seen worse than the doctor.

Speaker 3 (54:33):
Just gave me a pill. Take one of those three
times a day.

Speaker 1 (54:36):
Don't ever stop until you're really dead or almost better.

Speaker 2 (54:40):
Keep out of the reach of children, things that might
be some side effect me probably will well fact, just
come back.

Speaker 1 (54:48):
I'll give you one of the film