Episode 142: Gov Healthcare

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:04):
Be my physician.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
He said, you're definitely ill. Sand to the nurse. I've
seen worse than the doctor.

Speaker 3 (00:09):
Just gave me a pill.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
Take one of those three times today. You don't never
stop on till you're really dead er all of better
keep out of the region children.

Speaker 3 (00:18):
The thing is that might be some side effects.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
You mean, the probably will well. Limits of fact, you
can't come. I'll give you another film. On top of that,
on top of that, on top of that, on top
of that, on top of that, on top of that,
and many showed me his bill.

Speaker 3 (00:34):
I popped another pill.

Speaker 4 (00:36):
Welcome to When Your Health Matters. Your host is doctor
Richard Huntoon of Advanced Alternative Medicine Center located right here
in Pool of Georgia. Doctor Hantoon has been practicing alternative health,
utilizing chiropractic and many other health techniques for the past
twenty seven years to support you when your health matters.
It's his intention to offer practical advice every week for

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you to consider and to apply in your own life
to make your life and the lives of your family
and friends healthier and happier. When you have questions, you'll
get your answers from doctor Rick himself or another expert
on the show. Being empowered to make positive health choices
before problem arises is the best way to approach health,
and doctor Rick promises to have information for you every

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week that will allow you to become proactive and empowered
to take control of your health and your life.

Speaker 5 (01:23):
You are listening to the Alternative Healthcare Network.

Speaker 3 (01:27):
Welcome to this week's show, When Your Health Matters, the
show designed to empower you to better health through knowledge
and education. And I'm your host, doctor Richard Untun from
Advanced Alternative Medicine Center. And here's my partner for the show,
your health advocate Mark Saving no doubt.

Speaker 1 (01:41):
Greg, We've been doing this show for quite a long time,
and you know, ever since I met you, one of
the things that you have always sort of based what
you do and your approach to healthcare is that you
look at health as basically one of your birthrights. What
does that mean exactly?

Speaker 3 (02:00):
God enabled you to be healthy based upon your being born.
It's pretty simple. And the question is is do you
exercise that birth right to be healthy? As you continue
to grow up into an adult and grow into your
older years, do you exercise your right to be healthy?
Or do you do something to muck that up and

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end up having health issues.

Speaker 1 (02:22):
So how does that idea of health being your birth
right fit into your practice, which is dealing with people
who have health issues.

Speaker 3 (02:30):
Well, it's a cornerstone from my approach to helping people.
We are all given the same right, which is to
be healthy, and somewhere you went along the way and
you went off course. And what I can do is
help you back into living out that right to be
healthy and exercise that right.

Speaker 1 (02:50):
But I mean, isn't being sick one of the parts
that we have to face in life?

Speaker 3 (02:56):
Well, I would say that it's not. I would say
that getting sick if you are not healthy in practice,
being healthy with all your choices, then sickness is going
to be a consequence of not practicing good health. If
you express your birthright and you support your birthright, then
you should never worry about getting sick. I don't worry

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about getting sick in spite of the sick people that
I help in my practice.

Speaker 1 (03:21):
So how do you reconcile sickness with the idea of
being of health being a natural thing.

Speaker 3 (03:28):
Support people to be healthy, educate them on how to
stay healthy, and then they never concern themselves with being sick.
As I said just a second ago, I certainly don't
worry about being sick and I don't worry about being
sick ever.

Speaker 1 (03:42):
Now in terms of your health, and because most of us,
I would say the majority of people do occasionally get sick.
Some people are quite sick. How do you reconcile that
idea of that having to deal with sickness and the
fact that healthcare, which is different than your health, is

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your birth right. But how do you deal with the
idea that access to healthcare should also be something as
a birthright.

Speaker 3 (04:13):
Well, I think that access to healthcare is a right
that we all have. It's just healthcare has been misconstrued.
Your natural state is to be healthy. Doing things that
cause your body to demonstrate a lack of health has
become the normal way of life in an effort to

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sell pharmaceuticals, in an effort to create a whole system
that has been corrupted based upon profits. And so we
have a system, and we have access to that system,
and everybody has access to that system. Technically, whether they
can afford to pay or not afford to pay, the

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person can't be rejected because of their inability to pay from,
let's say, the emergency room. The challenge is is nowadays
that in an effort to keep the emergency room open,
they have to find other forms of payment, because if
the people coming in don't have any way to pay,
you certainly can't turn them away, but it doesn't help

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to keep the doors open. So it's quite interesting. Access
to healthcare is important, but you know, you can leve
a lifestyle. I certainly live a lifestyle to where I
never have to access health care because I just maintain
being healthy.

Speaker 1 (05:40):
Well, it seems like there's a difference that's been growing
between health care and health insurance and that we have
now sort of distorted our perspective that having health insurance
is what gives you health care.

Speaker 3 (05:54):
Right, Well, health insurance is the one thing they sell
you in case you have an issue, and health care
is the care that they apply to you when you
have an issue, and hopefully your health insurance policy will
cover whatever the health issue is. But what we need
to understand is that we don't teach people how to
be healthy anymore. We sell them an insurance policy and

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anticipation of knowing they're going to get sick, because they
were never given the proper instructions on how not to
get sick, and as a result, everybody feels they need
and there's a lot of push out there to make
sure that everybody buys and has health insurance for any
kind of health crises that they're destined to have because

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we don't teach people how to be healthy.

Speaker 1 (06:40):
Well, I mean it must frustrate you to some level
that the way national health care is being handled versus
how you approach health from a perspective of a holistic approach.

Speaker 3 (06:52):
Well, it can be frustrating. Anything that isn't about helping
a person become healthy, that is frustrating. And they call
it healthcare. It's just it's not simply right. It's somewhat
messed up or what I call retarded, meaning that it
doesn't make sense. And so we don't have a healthcare

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system in this country. We have a sickness care management
system in this country because we expect people to get sick.
We've sold them a health insurance policy that is used
based upon their sickness, and so they promote sickness, they
promote the need for health insurance to help manage your sickness,

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and then the care that is administered isn't about solving problems.
It's about managing and maintaining chronic treatment for a condition
that shouldn't have happened to begin with and doesn't require
quronic treatment if you just would simply address.

Speaker 1 (07:50):
The cause, Well, isn't the insurance there to protect you
when something actually goes wrong?

Speaker 3 (07:56):
It is, and all insurance is designed to make you
whole or at least partially, if there is a crisis.
The challenge that we have in this country is the
fact that they mandate that you have health insurance for
when you have your health crisis, but they do nothing
to make sure that you're not creating a health crisis.

Speaker 1 (08:14):
I mean, because accidents happen, People get in you know,
car accidents happen, People slip off of a curb or
something like that, and sprain and ankle. Those are the
kinds of things that I would think you would want
to have health insurance for.

Speaker 3 (08:28):
Sure. That's called an accident policy.

Speaker 1 (08:31):
So why have we you know, because what it seems
like you're saying is that we've really changed the emphasis
from looking at preventative care and then actually dealing with
somebody that's already it's a crisis intervention care that we're
talking about.

Speaker 3 (08:46):
Right, And so why is that, Well, it's profits and
the need to feed the machine. The job of the
drug marketer is to increase the pool of people taking
their product. And it's a cutthroat and unethical business, and
it's it's taken over the healthcare industry in the fact
that they have the dollars to promote, they're willing to

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spend the dollars to advertise, and the advertisers are willing
to take the dollars because they want to be successful.
And so we have a system which has gotten worse
over time, certainly over the last forty plus years. When
I graduated high school, I'd seen seventeen thousand hours of
TV commercials for Got a pain, Take a Pill. Now

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the average person, by the time they graduate high school
have seen over one hundred thousand hours have got a pain,
Take a pill. So, when a person becomes a full
fledged adults, what they've been programmed to do based upon
the programming that is on the television and on the
internet and through print ads and through radio ads, etc.
Is when it comes time to them having a crisis,

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they're already educated that they need to go take some
kind of toxic chemical that has harmful side effects that
they've even bet advertised, and yet they're still going to
say yes and go get it.

Speaker 1 (10:03):
Yeah, And I mean what we've spent on this in
this nation. We spend something like twenty percent of our
GDP just on healthcare. And at the same time, it
doesn't seem like we're getting any healthier. In fact, I
think you've said, we're somewhere down in the high fifties
in terms of our health outcomes for this country, and

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life expectancy is actually going down, going up.

Speaker 3 (10:29):
So we need to appreciate that the gross domestic product
or GDP grows every year. The system is designed to
spend more money on whatever makes up the GDP. Healthcare
is part of that. The problem is there is nothing
being done to change a person's health or society's health
for the better. It's all about treatment and management of

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the person's health condition instead of teaching them how to
never have their condition.

Speaker 1 (10:55):
So why haven't we become why have we become so
reliant on medical intervention instead of prevention.

Speaker 3 (11:03):
Well, it's all about the profits. All research is about
making a temporary solution that needs to be repeated forever
as a business model, and it's always been that way.
So you take small dosages of toxic chemicals known to
have harmful side effects to mask your symptoms. And it's
the greed and the profit over patients in the marketing

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due to brand and awareness and promotions of keeping the
brand top of mind while creating problems for the products
being produced.

Speaker 1 (11:34):
So what drives the extreme cost of the care that
you're getting? I mean it's now. I mean I hear
so many stories about people going bankrupt trying to care
for their loved ones, that their family has gone into
a financial crisis simply because of the medical bills they
can't pay.

Speaker 4 (11:50):
Right.

Speaker 3 (11:50):
So again, it's greed and profit. It's not about compassion,
it's not about empathy. It's not about honoring the hippocratic
oath at first doing no harm. It's about, I don't know,
being a plow and just plowing through whatever's in the way.
And that's what the healthcare industry has become. They're not
overly concerned. My experience and the patients that I have

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that come to my office and the stories they bring
to me, is they're not really overly concerned about a
person's health anymore. They're concerned more about what's in it
for them and how do they maximize the what's in
it for them.

Speaker 1 (12:26):
Yeah, I was talking to a doctor, a friend of
mine the other day. He's a p DIEGESSS and he
can't afford to stay in private practice anymore because not
only is there the healthcare insurance that we pay as
the consumer of health care, but for him, the coverage
that he needed in case there was any mishaps with

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his coverage with his insurance that he had to cover
for himself was so expensive it was prohibitive. He couldn't
stay in private practice right.

Speaker 3 (13:00):
So the challenge is is we're not teaching people how
to be healthy and exercise their birthright, which is how
this show started. We need to understand that in order
to help people truly exercise their right to be healthy,
we need to deal with causal relationships, not the effect relationships.

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So when one has a headache, we need to deal
with the cause of that headache, not mask it with
an asmin or an ibewproch or some other nonsteroial anti
inflammatory drug. When we have a digestive issue, we need
to understand why we have the issue and address it
at its source as opposed to masking it and leading
to other health conditions as a result of not being

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able to digest, absorb, and assimilate your food, which is
what we talked about last week. And so what's important
for us is we need to change the health paradigm
from looking at the effects of a health outcome and
figuring out ways to suppress or mask or minimize that

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health outcome, and we need to shift that over too. Well,
what does it take to truly be healthy and educate
people on what health is and how to live their
lives in a healthy way. But that's going to upset
the apple cart that is big Pharma. Is going to
upset the apple cart that is the American Medical Medical Association,

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And it is going to upset the apple cart that
are the politicians that are being paid lots of money
to support policies within the government that supports the sickness
care system and continues to feed that system.

Speaker 1 (14:46):
Yeah, I mean as a double whammy that goes on
with all this because on the one hand, if you
whether it's government or whatever, an insurance bureaucracy, the fact
is that they're looking for the the global consequences of
what they're doing. And what you're talking about is that,

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on a very personal level, you have to be able
to take care of your health care. So when we
talk about government healthcare, one of the problems that we
have is they're going, well, you know, they're looking at
statistics in numbers.

Speaker 3 (15:21):
They are looking at statistics in numbers, and they're saying, well,
how do we cover that? Well, I think somebody who's
looking at those statistics in numbers shouldn't be saying, well,
how do we cover that? They should be asking how
do we prevent that?

Speaker 1 (15:34):
It's a different approach, how.

Speaker 3 (15:35):
Do we keep preventing the skyrocketing uptrend of the cost
of health care? Health Care hasn't become more efficient over time.
Health care has become more expensive over time. And as
you pointed out, it's roughly twenty to twenty four percent
of our GDP is spent on taking care of the

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people that live in this country. That just seems retarded
to me. It seems like we're spending so much money
because obviously the money needs to be spent, but what
is the outcome of that? Are we better off health
wise than we were one hundred years ago?

Speaker 1 (16:17):
We certainly don't seem to be right.

Speaker 3 (16:19):
And are we moving in the right direction or are we
headed in the wrong direction.

Speaker 1 (16:23):
Well, it seems that we are caught on this train
that's running at a very high rated speed and the momentum,
the inertia of that momentum, is taking us down this path.

Speaker 3 (16:35):
Right, And so what's important for us is that we
need to have a shift in the paradigm of what
is considered health and what is it that we're going
to do to support and focus on health instead of
managing and treating this ease and you know, just throwing
up your hand and saying, well, you should expect that

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because of your age and your lifestyle. Well, we need
to treat and teach people how to make better choices,
and we need to eliminate the choices that ultimately cause
health imbalances. And you know, we can talk about free enterprise,
and if somebody creates a product and markets that product
that's going to create damage to the people who consume

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that product, then we need to have some kind of
situation where we no longer accept that. I'm still surprised
the fact that we still have a tobacco industry. We've
known for one hundred years. That's smoking is bad for us,
and yet people still do it, and the product is
still made available, and it's you know, in terms of

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how we run this country and business, et cetera. It's
within a business organization's right to produce the product that
people are going to want. And we just need to
do a better job of teaching people that we shouldn't
be doing that to ourselves. We need to love ourselves better.

Speaker 1 (17:55):
We do need to love ourselves better. Well that this
is a great place for us to data a short
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Speaker 3 (18:19):
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Speaker 1 (19:02):
Western medicine has a very different approach than what you're
doing with the healing systems that you use. Can you
talk a little bit about how your approach differs and
what you do to actually help people impromote their health.

Speaker 3 (19:15):
Well Number one, my system does not require medications, so
that is the biggest difference, along with addressing the cause
and supporting wellness versus what they do by masking symptoms
with the toxic chemicals known to have harmful side effects.
So Western medicine has its place in our society, but
it shouldn't be the primary form of care that people

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use in order to maintain their health. And so I
focus on enabling a person's body to express their health
birthright and supporting the body to maintain expressing that health
birthright versus waiting until the problem has been around for

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so long and is producing large amounts of symptoms and
large amounts of signs to where now they need some
sort of crisis intervention when all of it could have
been prevented to begin with.

Speaker 1 (20:14):
But on the other hand, I mean, there have been
some amazing advances in medical science.

Speaker 3 (20:20):
Absolutely I would agree with that wholeheartedly.

Speaker 1 (20:23):
And one of the ways that they make some of
the most important advancements is in the ability to examine
and test what's going on with the person and to see,
you know, with some of the devices that they've made,
they can see much more clearly what's going on with
the person. The question is is how do you, now
that you know what's going on, how do you actually

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address it in a way to bring them back to health.

Speaker 3 (20:46):
Well, that's just it. If they can identify something is wrong,
they're bypassing the most pertinent question, why is it wrong? Exactly?
And until they focus on the why it's wrong and
address the why of the outcome, they're not doing anything
to change that outcome. They can mask it, they can

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suppress it, they can cut it out, they can do
all the things that they do, and they do very
well at doing those things, but it still doesn't address
the why the person has the problem to begin with.
My approach is to understand the why, understand all the
components that go into the why, address those components, and
then the why goes away. And once the why has

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been addressed, the effect also goes away. Hmm.

Speaker 1 (21:34):
It's a different version of how to get to what
you actually want, which is a healthy person. Correct now,
I mean in terms of the way that the medical
the government meant healthcare, and the medical system has approached
to these things, there's not that much emphasis on prevention.
There's lip service given to it with your annual physical

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or something, but generally speaking, they're not really promote voing
the very things that you're talking about, which is how
do you actually promote health and approach health preventively so
you're not getting sick? Right?

Speaker 3 (22:09):
Well, what you got to understand is is if they
aren't focused on prevention, if they're focused on the treating
of the disease using all their new expensive equipment that
they've developed. If they were to focus on prevention, then

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it wouldn't allow the amazing advances to take hold. And
if they've already invested millions of dollars to get these advances,
then now they have to go use those advances in
order to make profit to cover their research and the
development that went into developing these advances, so that now
it becomes very profitable for them. And there's nothing wrong

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with people wanting to make profit. That's what free enterprise
is about. The challenge is is the moral and ethical
questions that come up with people making profits off of
other people's pain, other people's dysfunction, others people's health outcomes

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that are less than ideal, and putting people on the
treadmill of treatment to continue the gravy train coming in
without any concern for what the effects are on the
people that are being managed through your system.

Speaker 1 (23:31):
I mean we try. We're taught very early on and
throughout most of our lives to trust doctors. And when
you're dealing with health and you're not necessarily that knowledgeable
about health, one of the things is that something starts
to go wrong and it's a frightening experience. I mean,
even if it's something as a deep cut and you
wrap it up with a tourniquet and you run into

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the emergency room, it's a frightening experience to have something
like that happen, let alone something where you actually get sick.
So we've learned to trust our doctors. But like you say,
they're more focused on managing the diseases, and they're very
very adept at managing and interfering with the crises.

Speaker 3 (24:15):
As they come up, right, And that's the model that's
being perpetuated, and we as citizens need to understand. We
can either be part of that model, which I personally
don't recommend, or you can be part of a different model,
which is true prevention and being proactive with your health
to understand what it takes to maintain and increase your

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health and then go about the business of doing that
all day, every day, and then you don't ever have
to worry about being caught up in the healthcare system,
which really isn't about health, No.

Speaker 1 (24:49):
It isn't. In fact, hospitals are one of the most
problematic places, in most dangerous places to try to keep.

Speaker 3 (24:57):
Your health all right, because that's where sick go.

Speaker 1 (25:00):
Where sick people go. And now there are all these
what they call superbugs that are hospital born acquired diseases.
But people get in the hospital.

Speaker 3 (25:10):
Yeah, because at the end of the day, the hospitals
are a petri dish of sickness and pathogens, since that's
where you go when you have sickness or pathogens, and
so when you get hospital acquired infections and other things
like medical errors, it's the nature of the environment and
the stress of this system and the staff making human

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errors due to the stress of the system.

Speaker 1 (25:36):
Now, one of the things that happens when you go
to the doctor if you have any kind of vague
symptom or something like that, the doctors sometimes take a
long time before they take any action. Why is that happening.

Speaker 3 (25:48):
Well, at the end of the day, it's about getting paid,
and it's about getting paid from a third party insurance carrier.
And a third party insurance carrier won't pay for anything
that doesn't represent an actual disease state. So when a
person has a pre disease state, it's not bad enough
yet for them to get paid. So they're going to
push you away and tell you to come back when

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it gets worse. Instead of what I do in my
office is I teach it never how to get worse,
and I always teach it how to go away. So
I guess the simple answer is is if the hospital
or your doctor turns you away because it's not bad enough,
then you should turn towards me so that I can

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help it not get worse than it already is, and
in fact turn it around so that you can get better.
But we need to just appreciate the fact that it's
harmful to be surrounded by so much sickness when you're
trying to heal. So if that's the case, whether you're
in a doctor's office, or whether you're in the emergency room,

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or whether you're in the hospital itself, you need to
get out of there and get out more into nature
and do things that work with the creator's plan for
what ultimately should be our natural state, which is to
be healthy and well.

Speaker 1 (27:08):
It just made me think about the fact that you
know more and more there are young professionals coming out
of the medical field who are going in opting in
for something where you have voluntary services like plastic surgery
where it's not medically necessary. Typically you're doing it for
to improve your looks or your beauty, but you're still

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involving yourself into surgeries. The use of antibiotics. You may
be using things like botox, which is actually pretty toxic material.

Speaker 3 (27:42):
It is it's bochulinum toxin is what botox is the
abbreviation for it's bochulinum toxin. So we know that bochelism
deadly is pretty deadly. So let's take the toxin of bochulism,
let's concentrate it, and let's inject it into people's faces

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or other parts of their body in an effort to
get rid of wrinkles, etc. And then you lose your mood, affect, etc.
And then you create other problems. But it is what
it is. What's important is that there are people coming
out that are getting involved in those kinds of treatments
because a it's not covered by insurance, so people who
have vanity issues are going to be willing to pay

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whatever it costs. So they can make lots of money
by doing these kinds of procedures, and it's just becomes
very profitable for them to do it. But you got
to ask yourself, really.

Speaker 1 (28:39):
Yeah, well, I'm seeing that with some of these large
conglomerate healthcare situations, which aren't necessarily government healthcare, that a
lot of the people of the professionals are now beginning
to depart them because it's very onerous on the physicians.
So if you're not an independent person where you're not

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tied into the insurance world, and you're not tied into
the big HMOs or something like that. It's a difficult
thing now to be in the medical profession.

Speaker 3 (29:09):
It is difficult because there you have to know how
to run a business and that's not necessarily what you
went to school for. You went to school to learn
how to care for people, and now you have to
run a business. And the politics of running a business.
You know, you've got to have your facility, you've got
to have all the state of the art equipment, you've

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got to have a staff in order to help you
manage it. And you got all sorts of overhead for
the facilities, etc. This that and the other thing. And
of course you got the wonderful expense which is malpractice insurance.
And when you're dealing with pharmaceuticals and you're dealing with surgery,
your malpractice insurance is going to be insanely through the roof.
And so now you're having to work really hard and

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see lots of patients just to cover your overhead. And
that's even before you start to have profit. So now
we understand why there's so much stuff that goes on
as far as doctors sometimes waiting long before they take
action because at that point they're guaranteed to.

Speaker 1 (30:09):
Get paid, right, And that whole idea of malpractice means
that you know they're they're in a whole lot of
trouble in terms of what kind of things they're prescribing.

Speaker 3 (30:19):
Right, And so I can imagine that the cost of
malpractice insurance in a medical doctor's office, certainly in a
surgical doctor's office, is through the roof, which is interesting
because my malpractice is only four hundred and fifty nine
dollars a year. For some people, that's a car pay,

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a monthly car payment less then okay, so four hundred
and fifty dollars a year for my malpractice insurance, which
is far less than my car insurance. So it's quite
And what do insurance companies do? Will they mitigate risk?
And so the bean counters that set a policy premium

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are based upon the likelihood of how they're going to
have to pay out and what the cost of that
payout is going to be when you compound it with
all the different people to sign up for a policy,
because not everybody is going to have an accident, not
everybody's going to commit malpractice, not any everybody is going
to have a particular issue where their insurance policy has
to be enforced, and so it's like, okay, So at

(31:29):
the end of the day, you look at everything that
car practice do across this country, and my malpractice insurance
is four hundred and fifty nine dollars a year. My
car insurance for six months for one of my cars
is six hundred and fifty dollars for six months.

Speaker 1 (31:46):
Yeah, it's a big difference between what's happening, and that's
one of the things that's going to keep those people
from you know, they're paying back their student loans, they're
paying that exorbitant malpractice insurance. But if they don't have it,
because we live in a litigious society, they can be
in a lot of trouble. Now, if they're using medications,

(32:06):
do they run the same risks in terms of malpractice
with the medications if somebody has a bad reaction, say
to a medication.

Speaker 3 (32:13):
Well, yeah, that's the whole thing about how their malpractice
is the way that it is because they are they
have to cover the likelihood of there being some side
of some sort of negative effect. And we all know
from the television commercials that every medication comes with harmful
side effects. So if somebody has an adverse event without

(32:38):
knowing that it was caused by the medication, and some
sort of litigation starts to take place, then you know,
the insurance carrier or the malpractice insurance carrier hopefully is
going to help you defend yourself. That's the reason why
you purchase the malpractice. But at the end of the day,
they know that there's probably going to be more payouts

(33:02):
than settlements that aren't in the large dollar amounts, And
so you got to cover the health insurance premiums, you
got to cover the malpractice insurance premiums, you got to
cover you know, having a business and paying your staff.
And there's a lot that goes into it. And so
I can understand why in some offices the healthcare costs

(33:24):
are expensive, but in my office we keep things as
cost effective as possible in an effort to deal in
our society the way that it is today and still
help people get well without drugs or surgery.

Speaker 1 (33:40):
Right, I mean, and the fact that you're not using
medications which may have a side effect which then can
end up resulting in maybe a malpractice suit because of
the fact that the medication had some kind of problematic effect.
You don't use any of that stuff, So because you don't,
you don't run the risk the same.

Speaker 3 (34:01):
Risks, right, And that's the thing. I would rather do
things naturally and avoid any kind of the negative consequential
side effects. And we know that medications are supposed to
help if that certainly is the intention, and taking toxic
chemicals known to have harmful side effects is a violation
of the Hippocratic oath, which says to first do no harm.

(34:24):
So I find it quite ironic, if anything, I find
it quite hypocritical that the all doctors have to take
a Hippocratic oath to first do no harm, and then
they start prescribing toxic chemicals knowing to have a harmful
side effect. So it's an oxymoron.

Speaker 1 (34:44):
Yeah. Now, in your approach, are you able to get
somebody that's been on that medical treadmill to get off
of it?

Speaker 3 (34:51):
I do that just about every day. I help people,
you know, neutralize the side effects of the medication that
they're on until we've created enough health within them that
they can then get off their medication. And I've helped
lots of people get off of medication over the years
in my practice, because we're not meant to be taking
these toxic chemicals with own harmful side effects. We're meant

(35:12):
to express our health. And that's what this show is about.
When your health matters, it's about teaching you how to
just exercise that God given birthright, which is to be
healthy by supporting the body to express itself in a normal, natural,
harmonious way.

Speaker 1 (35:28):
Well, that's what we're here to do. We're here to
try to help people express their health, and for us
to do it, we need to take a short commercial
break to hear from our general sponsor, the Alternative Healthcare
Network dot com. When we get back, I want to
finish out this show with some more questions about the
kind of healthcare system we're in and the kind of
alternatives that you present.

Speaker 3 (35:50):
Absolutely, but please listen. It's commercial and we'll see on
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Speaker 5 (35:54):
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Speaker 3 (36:00):
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(36:23):
forward to serving your healthcare needs naturally.

Speaker 5 (36:27):
Youry listening to the alternative healthcare network.

Speaker 1 (36:30):
Well, one of the things that you have done over
the years, because you don't use medicals and you don't
perform surgery, you have assembled quite a number of different
medical techniques and health techniques to help people in your practice.
Can you describe a little bit about why you've gone
about that process and what that has meant to the

(36:50):
kind of ways that you are able to treat people's
health well.

Speaker 3 (36:53):
Anytime a person came into my office who had a
condition my initial techniques would not address, I was inspired
by God to find a better solution for their concern.
It's what I'm supposed to do as a health care provider,
provide a solution, a true solution to the problem being presented.
And so when people came into my office and you know,

(37:15):
they would talk about the stress, about their situation, etc.
And how it's impacting them, then I needed a technique
for helping them deal with their mental emotional worlds. And
so we went got a tool called neuroemotional technique. When
we had people coming in that were suffering the effects
of malnutrition, then we needed a nutritional technique, and so

(37:35):
we picked up a nutritional technique. And so over the years,
I've accumulated thirty one different health care techniques designed to
help a person, regardless of what their condition is, back
into balance, back into harmony, and back into health. And
so anytime a person comes into my office, which hasn't

(37:58):
happened in a while now, because I think think I
have enough tools in my toolbox to address pretty much
anything that comes into the office. But anytime a person
came into the office that tested a little bit squirrely
or was a little bit outside of what my wheelhouse
is and understanding how to bring them back into balance. Again,
that's God's way of telling me I need to go

(38:19):
out and get another tool or get a deeper level
of understanding.

Speaker 1 (38:23):
Mm hm no, I mean, now, some of these methods
I know we've talked about at least the Chinese medical
theory is in the seven thousand years old. Are these
other techniques similar? Are they also ancient techniques or are
some of them modern? Where did they come from?

Speaker 3 (38:39):
Well, they're all relatively modern. They're all eighty years or less.
The main tool that I use in the office is
manual muscle testing, which was developed basically in the mid
nineteen fifties.

Speaker 1 (38:53):
So about seventy years ago. And that's the main method
that you use for assessing what's going on with a
person's health. But then you have all these other modalities
that you use to help treat correct So when you
approach health, because I know that part of the mission
that you have is to approach health holistically, that means

(39:15):
that you're dealing with the whole person. You're not just
dealing with that particular part of that person or that
particular disease that they have. But if somebody comes into
you and they oh, I've got heart disease, or I'm
in you know, I have some other issue that's going
on with me. We've talked last week, we were talking
about small intestine issues, Crohn's disease. Do you target that

(39:38):
particular disease or set up that they have when you
approach the origin can tell a little bit about how
you go about the treatment.

Speaker 3 (39:48):
Well, we look at all the relationships within the body
related to their particular condition and so if person has
a headache or digestive issue, we want to understand what
are all the reasons for why they would develop a
headache or a digestive issue, What is the organ or
gland associated with that? And we look at the person

(40:10):
as a whole, and it's about understanding what all those
relationships are within the body and not just one organ,
not just one gland, or not just one system. So
we look at the whole person, We relate to the person,
we address whatever is going on within that person and

(40:32):
whatever it takes in order to bring them back into
balance and expressing health.

Speaker 1 (40:36):
Again, now it's holistic health. Could you consider that the
same as proactive health.

Speaker 3 (40:42):
Well, proactive health is being proactive about your health. Holistic
health is a way to be proactive with your health,
and sometimes it is done in response to a problem
versus preventing a problem from occurring. Overall, what kind.

Speaker 1 (40:57):
Of results could a person expect when they're taking that
preventative approach.

Speaker 3 (41:02):
I would expect good outcomes and true health to be
the final outcome, as that is the goal. At least
that's what I expect, and that's what I see in
my office now.

Speaker 1 (41:15):
It is when somebody comes to you. Then they've never
seen you before, they're a new patient. What is that
experience like for them? How do you approach that well?

Speaker 3 (41:26):
Each is different. Suffice to say, we do a consultation
and examination, and based on the results of that, we
address the problems in the very logical and direct way,
one at a time until wellness is achieved. We follow
their specific recipe for their specific health and so we
make it an individually hyper focused evaluation and come up

(41:49):
with an individualized, hyper focused treatment plan to address everything
that's wrong with the individual that's consulting with me in
an effort to restore their health.

Speaker 1 (42:00):
Once somebody starts with you, what are the follow up business?
Because there's a first visit with the assessment, but what
happens is you move forward and how often do you
need to come see you well?

Speaker 3 (42:12):
Once we've evaluated the person and we have a Ultimately,
the outcome of that evaluation is going to be a recipe,
what their recipe is for restoring balance. And so once
someone starts working with me, their follow up visits usually
involve addressing the next item on their recipe list for health.

(42:33):
And you know, let's say they have fifteen different imbalances,
and they're grouped into chemical imbalances, nutritional imbalance, pathogen imbalances,
heavy metal imbalances, and the effects that that's having on
the body. Once we go through eliminating their imbalances, then

(42:54):
we shift our focus in terms of what do we
have to do to strengthen and support them being healthy
and remaining healthy in never having to come back for
the problems that they initially came in with.

Speaker 1 (43:04):
So so should somebody who does not have a particular
health condition, would they be helped by coming to see you.

Speaker 3 (43:13):
That's entirely up to them. If they don't feel the
way that they want to feel, or if they're not
functioning the way that they want to function, even if
they can't put a finger on why they're feeling or
malfunctioning the way that they are. I've been able to
find problems before people even knew that they've had problems.
I've been able to locate problems that people didn't even

(43:34):
tell me that they had, and then they validate the
fact that yes, oh yeah, I didn't mention that I
do have that problem. And so it's wonderful for me
because it truly allows me to exercise what I believe
is the right way to go about helping people, and
it's about understanding them well enough to address them at

(43:55):
a causal level to allow them to move forward. In
my office just experiencing more and more health day in
and day out as we continue to manage and help
them get well.

Speaker 1 (44:07):
So can you describe a little bit about how that
process of because you said is trying to find out
what the why the problem exists, so there must be
an investigation for tracing back to the roots of the problem.
How does that process work and is it something that
you tackle the roots right away or do you have
to go through different levels and dealing with somebody that

(44:30):
comes to see you.

Speaker 3 (44:31):
Well, No, a person comes to see me, They're a
blank canvas. They have their story. I'm going to go
through the consultation. I'm going to take some notes in
terms of what they're telling me their problem is. Once
I fully understand what their problem is from their perspective,
I will offer them the opportunity that we can look
at the what's wrong with you and we can manage that,

(44:53):
or we can address why it's wrong with you and
get to a place to where you no longer have
the problem. And then they tell me that they would
like for me to focus on the why aspect of it.
It's good. Then we introduce the manual muscle testing and
the techniques that I use using manual muscle testing, and
we evaluate their body from one hundred and fifty different perspectives,

(45:15):
and we look at them from a nutritional aspect, We
look at them from a pathogen aspect, from a heavy
metals aspect, from a chemical imbalance aspect, from a nutritional aspect,
from an emotional aspect. We have all these different tools
that we use to evaluate what are the reasons a
for where they have an imbalance and b what are
the components that go into that imbalance. And then once

(45:38):
we found all the relationships and all the imbalances that
are going on, then we locate a remedy that's going
to take the weakness and eliminate the weakness so they
can go back to being a normal, functioning, healthy individual.
And once we understand what the cause and what the
effect is and how we're going to address the cause

(46:00):
to eliminate the effect, then we come up with a
treatment plan specific too whatever the imbalances are that we found.
So maybe there's a couple of pathogens. Maybe there's a
couple of heavy metals. Maybe there's several different chemicals, maybe
there's several different food imbalances. We're going to address all
of them in the order in which the body is

(46:21):
asking for the help to get rid of these problems.
There are certain things that have a higher priority than
other things, and so the body naturally gives up its recipe,
if you will, what's the first item, what's the second item,
what's the third item, etc. Until and we go through
that list one at a time, supporting and healing the

(46:43):
body's imbalance that it has. And once the body has
got enough sufficient harmony going on within that initial imbalance,
it'll give me permission to go on to the next imbalance.

Speaker 1 (46:57):
Now do you ever do this in collaboration, say a
medical doctor that is treating somebody as well?

Speaker 3 (47:04):
I do. I've had several referrals, a couple of them
recently from a endochronologist who was also an oncologist. And
the one particular patient that stands out, He'll always stand
out because he was such a wonderful human being. Is

(47:25):
a gentleman that was referred to me with advanced stage
four pancreatic cancer from his oncologist, and so I worked
with him, and typically when you have advanced stage four
pancreatic cancer, you don't live thirty days. Well, I sent
him back to his oncologists three and a half months later,
and he was no longer in a wheelchair. He wasn't

(47:46):
even using a cane. He walked into the office and
he walked out of the office, and the oncologist couldn't
believe what he was seeing. And so I try to
work with whatever healthcare practitioners there are. I have a
gentleman that's coming in to see me later this week
who used to be a student of mine while I
was teaching at Chiropractic school. So I taught anatomy at

(48:06):
Chiropractical School and one of the doctors who or one
of my students who became a doctor and then went
into private practice, he called me about four weeks ago
and we're going to have his first evaluation tomorrow. And
so I'm excited for that opportunity because he sought me
out and he's learned enough about me through whatever that

(48:30):
he thinks that I'm the person that's going to help
him with his lymphedema and other digestive and health related issues,
and so I'm excited for the opportunity. But at the
end of the day, I take my hippocraticalth very seriously
to first do no harm. I practice in a way
that doesn't cause people harm. And it's my intention just

(48:53):
to restore you back to balance and back to harmony,
and back to expressing your birthright, which is to be healthy.

Speaker 1 (48:59):
So how do you support people's because sometimes there's a
hard choice to make the decisions that you have to
make to improve your health. I mean, not everybody is
going to come in with necessarily the same attitude, or
may not even have a positive attitude. They might have
a very dark attitude.

Speaker 3 (49:17):
I mean, well, meeting people where they are and helping
them find a pathway out of wherever it is that
they are. You know, I have had patients in my
office who were, you know, right at the cusp of dying.
And I remember this one person who had lung cancer,
who had already had his right lung removed, and then

(49:38):
they found a lesion on his left lung and they
never explained to him what they found. They just figured
that he was going to die. And so at the
end of my evaluation. I looked him right in the
eye and I said to him, do you want to live?
And he burst into tears. It took him about twenty
minutes to compose himself, and when he finally did, he says,
why would you ask that question? I said, well, I

(50:00):
think that's the final question that we need to address.
If you want to live, I'll do everything in my
power to help you live. But if you feel exhausted,
if you feel tired, if you feel defeated because of
what you've already been through, I will help you make
your transition more smooth. But if you want to get well,
then I can help you get well. I had another

(50:21):
patient with pancreatic cancer who he was told because anytime
you have a cancer, you got to get all the
refined sugar out of your diet, and he wasn't willing
to do that. I finally confronted him. I said, listen,
you can't be going out and eating ice cream with
your wife. He says, Doctor Rick, I respect what you're saying.
I understand what you're saying, but you need to understand

(50:42):
I have advanced stage pancreatic cancer and I'm going to
die and I'm not going to live my life under restrictions,
waiting for that day to come. I'm going to go
live my life the way that I want to live
my life until my life is over. I couldn't argue
with him, I said, I I totally get it. My apologies,
and let's just do the work that we can do

(51:05):
and help you live for as long as you can
live and enjoy whatever time you have left with your wife,
et cetera. And when he finally did pass, and he did,
his wife took out a full page ad in the
local newspaper thanking me for the time that they had
and for all the love and care and support that
I offered both of them. And that's really what it's about.
But everybody gets to make their own decision about what

(51:26):
they want to do with their health. And if somebody
wants to improve their health and they have the motivation
to do that and they want to do it in
a non you know, traditional medical way with you know,
prescription medications, etc. I'm probably your guy that you want
to call.

Speaker 1 (51:41):
You would be the guy I'd want to call. And
in fact, if somebody is out there listening to the
show and is thinking, man, this this is really intriguing
to me. I've been scared to go to my doctor
because the doctors were going to do that where they're
going to give me very few options. You really have
a different approach to it, and you're going to deal
with the person as the person when they walk in

(52:04):
the door and see to see you, or when they
call you on the phone. So what are the best
ways to reach out to you and get that first contact?

Speaker 3 (52:11):
Best way to get a hold of me is this
little device next to me. The keys vibrating because people
are trying to get a hold of me. It's my
cell phone. They should call me at area code eight
four five five six one two two two five again
eight four five five six one two two two five.
That is my direct cell phone. I will be the
one answering the phone unless I'm in a studio recording

(52:33):
a radio show or something like that. You can text me.
I really don't prefer texts because they're so impersonal and
they're so invasive. I'd rather you call me and then
we set up a text ability and then I know
who's texting me and where it's coming from, et cetera. Uh,
you can always email me at doc Rick at spineboy
dot com. That's d O c Ri I c k

(52:55):
at spineboy dot com. I would encourage you to go
to spineboy dot com. It's a well of information. It's
five hundred and eighty pages of a healthcare website that's
designed to help you get well in the simplest way possible.
But regardless, if you're out there and you're dealing with
a health issue that you're tired of having, or that
you don't want to have, or you don't want it
to get worse, and you're looking for a natural way

(53:17):
out of it, I would be the guy that you
would want to get in touch with, So I would
look forward to doing that for you. I would look
forward to meeting you, and I would look forward to
getting to know you and helping you transform your life
in a positive way. And yeah, so the balls in
your court reach out any of the three ways that

(53:38):
I just gave you, and I would look forward to
meeting you.

Speaker 1 (53:41):
Mark.

Speaker 3 (53:42):
I want to say it's been a wonderful show. I
appreciate the time, energy and effort that you've put into
this show and asking the questions and leading the conversation.
I'm going to ask all the listeners to tune back
in next week, same health time, same health station. This
is doctor Richard Untune from Advanced Alternative Medicine Centers saying,
I look forward to supporting you when your health manage.

Speaker 2 (54:05):
My physician he said, you're definitely ill. Then to the nurse,
I've seen worse than the doctor.

Speaker 3 (54:11):
Just gave me a pill.

Speaker 2 (54:12):
Take one of those three times a day. Don't ever
stop on till you're nearly dead or all the better.
Keep out of the reach of children, things that might
be some side effects you even probably will well limits
of fact. Gen come back and I'll give you one
another film on top of that, on top of that,
on top of that, on top of that, on top
of that, on top of that. And then he showed

(54:34):
me his bill.

Speaker 3 (54:36):
I popped another pill.

Speaker 2 (54:41):
Head out of the headache has become a pain in
the butt.

Speaker 3 (54:44):
What was just energy finger?

Speaker 2 (54:46):
That was a sworn foot, Doctor ripe an out of bread.