Episode 143: Addiction

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:04):
Be my physician. He said, you're definitely ill. Sands to
the nurse. I've seen worse than the doctor. Just gave
me a pill.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
Take one of those three times today. You don't never
stop on till you're dearly diner.

Speaker 1 (00:16):
All better keep out of the region children. The thing
is that some side effects, you mean, the probably will well.
Limits of fact, you can't come. I'll give you another film.

Speaker 3 (00:26):
On top of that, on top of that, on top
of that, on top of that, on top of that,
on top of that.

Speaker 1 (00:31):
And then he showed me his bill.

Speaker 4 (00:34):
I've popped another pill.

Speaker 5 (00:36):
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Richard Huntoon of Advanced Alternative Medicine Center located right here
in Pool of Georgia. Doctor Hantoon has been practicing alternative health,
utilizing chiropractic and many other health techniques for the past
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Speaker 6 (01:23):
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Speaker 7 (01:27):
Welcome to this week's show, When Your Health Matters, the
show designed to empower you to better health through knowledge
and education. And I'm your host, doctor Richard Untun from
Advanced Alternative Medicine Center. And here's my partner for the show,
your health advocate, Mark Safe.

Speaker 8 (01:41):
It's great to be back here to discuss a topic
that I think has been a concern for a lot
of people. We're seeing a lot more people that are
struggling with dependency on different substances, on drugs and things
like that, and I'm wondering if in your practice you're
seeing more people that are showing up with that kind
of an issue.

Speaker 4 (02:03):
Well, that's hard to say.

Speaker 7 (02:04):
I know of so many who come to me who
want better for themselves, and that includes getting off their medications.
It's been a minute since someone's come in and admitted
they have a dependency on their prescriptions, or on their
recreational drugs or even alcohol, or they could have addictions
to the internet, they could have addictions to shopping. There's

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a lot of things that people can be addicted to.
And I think, unfortunately, there's a thing that's called shame
that human beings experience, and when a person gets to
a place where they feel shame over their behavior, they
have a tendency to hide it instead of asking for help,
they have a tendency to hide it. And you know,

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then at some point, I think interventions take place. But
there's a lot of people struggling with a lot of
different types of addictions, and it's not just drugs.

Speaker 8 (03:00):
But I guess I sort of wanted to talk to you.
You know, it's probably a good starting point because that's
the one that gets the headlines, you know, and for
I don't know, the last thirty years or so, there's
been this war on drugs, and it's kind of interesting because,
of course, from your position, you look at medicine. A

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lot of the medications that are being prescribed or overprescribed
as part of the problem of drugs and even perhaps
of the problem of addiction. I mean, a lot of
addiction does start off with some of the prescribed medications.
So do you think that this whole idea that there
could be a war on drugs is a winnable thing.

Speaker 7 (03:40):
Winnable interesting? I'm going to say not. As long as
big pharma wants people on these drugs and the government
supports big pharma, there will always be people who use
drugs to escape the facts are of their lives, et cetera.
And it is sad we don't do a better job
as a society of helping those in need in a

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way that doesn't require them to go on some kind
of pharmaceutical. But again, when you appreciate the fact that
the whole healthcare industry is paid for by big pharma,
it's going to make it really, really hard for us
to change the system because everybody from the sales rep

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from big Pharma all the way up to the government
politicians who are having their pockets lined with money to
approve big Pharma's hold on society. I mean, it was
interesting when we went through COVID. Every time you watch
the news, who is the news sponsored by?

Speaker 8 (04:46):
It is always being sponsored by the drug company that.

Speaker 7 (04:49):
Was always sponsored by Pfizer, okay, because they were the
predominant one manufacturing the COVID vaccines. And so it's just
interesting that if the news media who's reporting the news
is getting paid to report the news about the medications

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the prescriptions that are being offered to people, there's a
conflict of interest there, but nobody seems to want to
take a look at it. Nobody seems to want to
address it. And you know, it was interesting when I
was earlier on in my career, there was a radio

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jockey whose name was Mark Bolger, and he had a
morning show and one day he's in the process of
he and his wife just got married and they're going
to have their first child together. And so Mark is
consulting with the females in his audience do you take
the drugs.

Speaker 4 (05:53):
Or do you not take the drugs? Meaning around childbirth.

Speaker 7 (05:57):
And he was trying to do a bit, trying to
make it funny, and he was trying to make it fun.
And I didn't have any issues with him trying to
make something fun, but when he was asking his audience
do you say yes to the drugs or no to
the drugs? And he's not realizing that a majority of

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his audience happens to be children who are on school
buses going to school, and they're hearing this and they're
now being confused with do you say yes or do
you say no?

Speaker 4 (06:29):
To the drugs?

Speaker 7 (06:30):
So I called into the show and you get right
into the studio. So he answers the phone and I say, hi, Mark,
my name is Rick, and I just wanted to make
you aware of something, and so he immediately tries to
turn it into a bit, oh, we have a man
on the phone. Have you given birth before? Did you

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take the drugs? That kind of thing, and I was
just like, I just want to not get into who
I am and what I do. I just want to
point out to the fact that you have children who
are listening and you're asking them whether they should take
the drugs or not take the drugs, and I just
think that's really poor message for your listening audience. And

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the next phone call was from a medical doctor who
tried to hijack the conversation to say, listen, we're talking
about prescription medications here, We're not talking about street drugs.
And I really wanted to call back and say, dude,
you're splitting hairs right now. Drugs are drugs or drugs
or drugs, regardless of whether they're legal, whether they're illegal,

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whether they're under supervision, or whether they're not under supervision.
They alter your body and they are addicting, and because
of that, they need to be more highly regulated instead
of just allowed over the counter.

Speaker 8 (07:48):
That would be a big chick because I was going
to ask you, you know, like, what would be a
better approach. I mean, it's not like we're living in
an environment where you know, all medications are bad. So
there's some some times they're useful, they're helpful, but they
are creating a host of problems that you're talking about.

Speaker 7 (08:07):
Right, So a better approach would be taking the time
literally meaning taking the time to understand the issue people
have and have a plan of action to address their
issues in a proactive and supportive way, and not simply
prescribing them harmful chemicals and saying your job is done.
We need to embody the word care in the sickness

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care system that we have.

Speaker 8 (08:32):
That's a big deal. And I mean it would seem
to me that with these prescription medications, if I understand
what you're saying, the doctor says, here, take these medicine,
take four a day, take one a day, whatever it is,
and now you're left on your own until the next
visit you might have with your doctor six months from

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now or a year from now, or whatever the time
might be.

Speaker 7 (08:56):
Right unless you get some sort of side effect that
is so uncomfortable that you're going to call the doctor
and get back in so they can charge you for
another visit and run more tests and this, that and
the other thing. But you know, I instruct my patients
all the time. Heck, I've probably instructed four different patients
just this week about having a more informed conversation.

Speaker 4 (09:18):
With your doctor.

Speaker 7 (09:19):
And what I do with them in the office is
We'll go on my tablet and I'll type in their medication,
and then I'll type next to their medication side effects
of and then I'll make them aware of what the
known published side effects are of what they're being prescribed,

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so that they now can take that information and go
back and have a conversation with their medical doctor. And
if their medical doctor isn't willing to make adjustments because
they either don't know how to make an adjustment or
they're just really being adamant about the person taking that
medication because they don't know necessarily have another solution. I

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instruct them to go to their pharmacist and talk to
the pharmacist what's a healthy way to step off this
medication that's not going to create a problem for them
in the process, And then you have more conversations with
me on what you can do. I mean, my overall job,
what my intention is for people when they come to me.

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I don't care where they're starting from. They can start
with nine different medications, doesn't matter to me. I want
to know why they have the problem that they have
and what we need to do to address it. So
at some point down the road, under my care and tutelage,
they're going to get to the point where they don't
need their medication anymore. And when they don't need their medication,

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that's one of the reasons why they sometimes come to me.
I'm tired of taking this medication. It's not fixing my problem.
I want to do something to actually heal myself. Can
you help me heal? And that's part of the job,
is to heal them so that they don't need the
medication anymore.

Speaker 8 (11:01):
And I think the thing that you brought up this
whole idea of the side effects. I mean when you
listen to any of these commercials for any of the
prescription medications that oh, you're going to solve your problems with,
you know, this disease or that disease. But the list
of side effects is longer than the benefits that are
being touted about the drug in the first place.

Speaker 7 (11:23):
Right, And so prescription medications in my view, is a
huge problem. Again, they never solve anything, they cost lots
of money, and they come with harmful side effects.

Speaker 4 (11:34):
Again, I just had a patient was.

Speaker 7 (11:36):
Prescribed to medication for his irregular heart beat. I looked
up the side effects of one of the major side
effects was irregular heart beats. It's like, well, you're prescribing
this to get rid of the problem, and the fourth
most common side effect of that medication is.

Speaker 4 (11:54):
The condition that it's supposed to fix.

Speaker 7 (11:58):
Like, what kind of guard garbage treatment is that They
say that what I do is crazy, which it isn't.
It's the most logical thing you could do for your health.
But when you look into and scratch the surface of
what goes on in our healthcare industry, it's complete insanity.

Speaker 8 (12:16):
Well't is this because the pharmaceutical companies are actually running
the show, and it's not even what's going on with
the doctors. What is the situation as far as what
the doctors are able.

Speaker 4 (12:27):
To do well?

Speaker 7 (12:29):
The doctors are educated by the pharmaceutical reps. You have
these conditions, this is a solution to help solve that condition,
and so the doctors, you know, they've been wined and dined,
maybe they've been given a vacation, whatever the case is.
Somehow they make it seem legal, whether it's legal or
not legal, to influence somebody to use your product in

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a way that puts profit in their pocket and even
puts profit in the prescriber's pocket. I think there's an
ethics issue there in a conflict of interest, but it
is the system that we're in. Doctors get into being
doctors because they want to help people exactly, and then
over time they get educated, manipulated and tailored in such

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a way that they're going to administer the level of
understanding that they were programmed with through their schooling, which
doesn't necessarily solve the problem because there's no reason to
solve a problem in healthcare, because a patient healed is
a patient lost.

Speaker 8 (13:36):
Well, when did this healthcare model switched from this healing
modality that you're talking about to one where you're managing
the symptoms of somebody that has an ongoing disease.

Speaker 7 (13:48):
Back when pharmaceuticals were essentially invented and became mass produced
back in the early nineteen hundreds, with the Carnegie and
Rockefeller who funded medical schools to teach what they wanted
to teach in an effort to create more money in
their pocket through prescriptions, and because it's not coming directly

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to them. Obviously, the pharmaceutical companies are different than the
Rockefellers and the Carnegie.

Speaker 8 (14:19):
But.

Speaker 7 (14:22):
At the end of the day, they influenced You're going
to teach the curriculum the way we want you to
teach it, because if you don't, we won't fund you.
So at that particular point, they were being told what
to teach and they were being.

Speaker 4 (14:35):
Told how to practice.

Speaker 7 (14:38):
And it's been that way since the inception of modern
medical system roughly one hundred years ago.

Speaker 8 (14:45):
Well, I mean that, you know that must that seems
to have evolved out of You've had lots of people
that were using herbs and plant medicine and things like
that prior to that. You always see the pictures in
the the old Western you know, of the person that
could manufacture some kind of medication for somebody that came

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in there where they were like what, today's pharmacists are
not counting pills as opposed to mixing formulations.

Speaker 7 (15:13):
Right, And there are compound pharmacists that are out there
that make things from scratch and they come up with
their own formulations. And I appreciate the heck out of
those practitioners simply because they're the ones who are doing
it old school way. The challenge is is that when
we moved into the traditional current model of allopathic healthcare.

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It's interesting because the guy that was given credit, I
believe his name was doctor Noel Wilie, who was giving
credit for be founding the Food and Drug Administration. It
was all about food at that point, but drugs were
starting to take have their effect and become more popular
in society. And what ended up happening was it used

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to be. It actually still is, but it's not followed,
but it used to be. The Healthy Food Act of
nineteen oh eight talked about you can't do anything to
food if it's going to change the way that the
consumer processes that food and so doctor Wiley took the
grain Miller's Association to court and it got appealed all

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the way up to the Supreme Court. It is according
to the Healthy Food Act of nineteen oh eight, it's
illegal to bleach flower in the United States.

Speaker 8 (16:34):
But they do it all the time.

Speaker 4 (16:35):
They do it all the.

Speaker 7 (16:36):
Time because when doctor Wiley died in the early nineteen thirties,
they rewrote all the rules of the Food and Drug
Administration and they emphasized drugs at that point.

Speaker 8 (16:48):
Well, that's interesting and because I mean, I think if
you look at it, I mean, are these medications ever
going to help restore your health?

Speaker 7 (16:57):
Well, medications don't restore healthy They push or they pull
the body to appear within normal function, and then over
time it creates a dependency and alters the normal function
of the body and eventually leads to a surgical intervention process.
And once you start down the medical road, you very

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rarely get off of it. But I could, let's be
clear on the fact that medicine doesn't restore normal health.

Speaker 8 (17:24):
So you're never gonna get over or regain your health
simply by taking medications.

Speaker 1 (17:30):
No, not at all.

Speaker 7 (17:31):
And for some people they're not interested in that for
some people.

Speaker 4 (17:34):
Let's say, use a very common.

Speaker 7 (17:36):
Condition that we have is called high blood pressure. Doctors
will strike the fear of God into you when they
say that your blood pressure is high and you're gonna
have a stroke, or you're gonna have a heart attack
or something along those lines. You're gonna have a negative
health and they will pound the heck out of that
into your psyche. And when they do that and they

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get you to listen what they're saying, now you're fearful
of dying.

Speaker 4 (18:05):
So what are you gonna do.

Speaker 7 (18:06):
You're gonna do whatever they want you to do to
stop from dying. And so they'll prescribe you blood pressure medication.
When does a person get off of blood pressure medication? Right, So,
if they can convince you that you have high blood
pressure and that it's dangerous, then they've taken away all
your resistance too taking the medication. And once they get

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you on the medication, it's next to impossible to get
off of it. I can tell you a personal story
for my dad. My dad, when he was sixty five,
he came down with the viral imbalanced that impacted his
adrenal glands, which disregulated his blood pressure. And his blood
pressure went up. Now, the week before he got his virus,

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he was paraded around his doctor's office to all the
other people in the waiting room because the doctor was
so proud of the fact that but here's what a
healthy sixty five year old male should look like. And
then a week later he's browbeating into his psyche that
you have to take this or he used the buzzword.

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That was my dad's biggest fear, which is why my
dad is an exercise officionado. He said to him, you'll
probably have a stroke if you don't get this blood
pressure under control. My dad bought into it, hook line
and sinker. Never been on medication, never had a health issue,
always very very physically fit, resting heart rate of thirty

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eight beats a minute, all these wonderful things, can go,
run marathons, etc. Now all of a sudden, he's lost
his mind. So I'm trying to reel my dad back in.
I couldn't do it. Why because I wasn't able to
address the unrational fear that he had that he was

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going to drop dead of a heart attack or have
a stroke. Now the good news is is slowly, over
time he stopped taking the medication because it wasn't helping him,
it wasn't changing his situation. And he just continued to
exercise and do the things that he does, and but
he did become obsessive about taking his blood pressure. He
had four different blood pressure machines and he would take

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his blood pressure four different times with four different machines,
just to make sure that they were all saying roughly
the same thing.

Speaker 8 (20:24):
Well, this is a fascinating, a fascinating story. I really
do want to continue this conversation. We do take a
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Speaker 8 (21:16):
Network, you know, and you're talking about the different approach
that you take to healthcare. How is it that you
get to the root cause of a health issue?

Speaker 7 (21:27):
Well, it's very simple. Your nervous system has no ability
to lie. It just simply responds to how it's being stimulated.
When you stimulate it the wrong way for a long
enough period of time, you develop a pattern, and that
pattern leads to an abnormal outcome. And that abnormal outcome,
left long enough to its own devices, ultimately ends up developing.

Speaker 4 (21:48):
Into a disease.

Speaker 7 (21:51):
So if you want to affect a disease before it
becomes a disease, we need to understand what the mechanism
of cause is. And if you address the cause of
that mechanism, then the effect never actually happens, or if
the effect is already happening, then the effect will go
away all on its own.

Speaker 8 (22:09):
So really, there's a chance that you could actually recover
your health without having to turn to medications.

Speaker 7 (22:14):
Oh. Absolutely. We were never meant to take medications. We
were never meant to take toxic chemicals into our body
in an effort to get it to express its normal
birthright of being healthy.

Speaker 8 (22:25):
Well, then can medications ever play a part in a
balanced approach to health.

Speaker 7 (22:30):
Medications can play a part when a person's in a
severe crisis.

Speaker 4 (22:34):
Maybe the medication is going to get them out of that.

Speaker 7 (22:37):
Severe crisis, but don't let that be your solution. When
you get a headache and you have work that you
have to get done, so you need the headache pain
to go away so you can concentrate on getting your
work done. By all means, take an aspirin, take an
eye your profen, take an advil, take a tile, and
all take whatever it is that's going to stop that.
Maybe before you take that, or maybe while you're taking that,

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you drink a whole bunch of water, which will actually
help your brain stop having a headache. But regardless, once
you're out of the circumstance and the need to concentrate
and get the job done is passed. Good, Now go
see somebody similar to myself that can now address the
reason for why you got a headache to begin with.

Speaker 8 (23:21):
I guess one of the examples that might be problematic
for people is they've had let's say they've had a
severe injury or had surgery and they were giving some
kind of severe pain reliever. There is a morphine derivative.
Those things are very addictive and so a lot of
times people get hooked on those drugs in that process.
So where does that line between the use of it

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appropriately and the misuse begin and how do you get
out of that cycle.

Speaker 7 (23:48):
Well, at the end of the day, it goes back
to what we talked about in the first section of
this show, is identifying that the person potentially is going
to develop a problem, and if they develop dependency on
the medication, what kind of interventions are going to be
offered sooner rather than later so that the person doesn't

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get into an addictum an addiction. Okay, you know, I
watched there was an interesting series that came on I
think it was called Dope Sick, and it was about
the opioid epidemic and how it infiltrated this one town
and it even affected the doctor who was prescribing the

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opioids to all the people in the town who developed
the opioid addictions. And Michael Keaton played that particular role
as the doctor. And what I like to do in
my own mind when I watch these is like, okay, well,
if I was that doctor, what would I do to
help solve these people's problems? And pain typically is a

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response that the body has due to some something that's incongruent.
And when you get pain that isn't physical pain, when
it's emotional pain or mental pain, Okay, the traditional medical
system is just going to medicate that person because they
don't want to sit there and get into the understanding
it's out of their quote scope of treatment. You either

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need to talk to a psychiatrist, a psychologist, a social worker,
or somebody that's going to help you work out your circumstances.
But in the meantime, let's give you the prescription drug
anyway instead of taking a more conservative route. If you
let something go too long, then it becomes truly unruly,

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and then it may be harder to get a person
back into balance. If we took better care of our
brothers and sisters, our neighbors, our townspeople, our community members,
if we were more hyper aware of what everybody's dealing with,
if we were more transparent with who we are as individual.

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When I grew up in a neighborhood, it was called
sunny acres of all places makes you smile when you
say Sonny Acres. There wasn't anything that I could do
in my neighborhood and get away with because somebody's mother
would become aware of it, even if my mother didn't.

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And once a month, my mom and all the mothers
would get together and have a Sunny Acre's Lady Society,
which they called sALS, and they would compare notes, and
so sALS was on Thursday night. I knew I was
going to have a problem Friday morning because somebody was

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going to rat me out. And that's just that's a
loving community taking care of itself, not letting things get
out of hand, and caring enough about a child that's
not even yours in an effort to maintain balance and
harmony within the neighborhood. Why can't all neighborhoods do that well?

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Because we live in neighborhoods nowadays where we don't even
know who our neighbors are. We don't even say hello
to our fellow human beings. We want to stay away
from strangers because we've been taught to believe that strangers
represent dangers. Everybody is a stranger until you meet them.

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Everybody starts out as a stranger before they become a friend,
whether it's a coworker, whether it's a boss, whether it's
an employee. You know, it's like, okay, so we're all
strangers to everybody until we meet them, until we get
to know them. Why aren't we fostering better ways of

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getting along with each other and celebrating our differences instead
of isolating people as a result of that and letting
them feel empty, letting them feel unimportant, letting them feel unworthy,
to where now they want to escape the misery of
their life by hiding under some kind of drug addiction.

Speaker 8 (28:09):
I think you're talking about the divide and conquer approach
to humanity, right, I mean, this is this is something
that is a deep problem that we have. I mean,
if you watch young children that are in the playground,
somebody they've never met before just happens to be on
the next swing or on the slide with them, and

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then they say hi, and the next thing you know,
they're friends.

Speaker 7 (28:33):
Right.

Speaker 8 (28:33):
It's that quick.

Speaker 7 (28:34):
It's not an issue, not an issue. And it's interesting.
When I was growing up as a kid on the playground,
we would play kickball, and the object of kickball.

Speaker 8 (28:47):
Is what to be able to kick the ball, to
kick the.

Speaker 7 (28:51):
Ball, and even if we chose up teams and played
by the rules similar to baseball, it's not not until
adults got involved, or even older children, and they took
the fun out of kickball and kicking the ball and

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celebrating the fact that somebody kicked the ball and being
happy that they kicked the ball, even if they weren't
on your team, because now you get the opportunity to
either catch the ball or go fetch the ball and
throw the ball in and maybe get the person out.
But it's a game, and we have adults playing those

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similar types of games, whether it's Major League Baseball, NFL football,
NBA basketball, hockey.

Speaker 4 (29:40):
Those are the Big four, but we also have soccer.

Speaker 7 (29:42):
And there's polo, and there's all sorts of other sports
that are team sports around the world. And if you
look at soccer over in Europe or even in South America,
it's the biggest sport in the world with the largest
fan base in the world, with maybe the exception of
Formula one racing, okay, and it's like fantastic. Everybody's a

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fan of it. That's something that we can all bond over.
It's not something that we have to isolate people for
and make them wrong for. If you don't like rodeo riding,
you don't have to partake in it. But maybe you
like bike riding. It's different type of bronco if you will,
But it's still human beings getting out into nature and

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participating with other fellow human beings and creating a loving, supporting,
nurturing like the playground where you meet somebody for the
first time and immediately your friends. I remember growing up
where I grew up in Mount Vernon, New York, and
so when I went to school the very first day
and I came home and I told my mom about

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all the different children that I'd never seen before, black kids,
brown kids, tall, short, fat, skinny, different color hairs, different.

Speaker 4 (31:00):
Eyes, etc.

Speaker 7 (31:01):
My mom said something important that has always stuck with me.
Different isn't wrong. Difference just different, And yet we isolate
and we want everybody to be the same as us,
and that's how society functions.

Speaker 4 (31:12):
And I think that society needs to.

Speaker 7 (31:15):
Take the brakes off of that being so adamant and
not try to get everybody to be the same. But
let's celebrate people's differences because it's the difference. You think
about things differently than I think about things. And the
only way I'm going to know that you think differently
is to ask you questions.

Speaker 4 (31:32):
About how do you feel about this?

Speaker 7 (31:34):
And we have a two party system in just about
every facet of society, and you're either one party or
another party, and I try to be neutral to all
the parties. I think that you know what, we need
to get along as people and we need to do
better as people. And so when we have an addiction problem,
whether it's the drug addiction, alcohol addiction, internet addiction, sex addiction,

(31:56):
whatever the addiction is, that person's fallen through will crack.
They've been given access to something that they've become addicted
to that they identify with in an unhealthy way. That
starts to influence their ability to be normal, to be healthy,
to be balanced, and I think we as a society

(32:18):
of people need to do a better job with that.

Speaker 8 (32:20):
That would be lovely. I mean, it seems that one
of the issues that's happened is the number of you
talked about all the different types of addiction that are
out there, but a lot of the things that people
have become addicted to are illegal. Once we're illegal are
now quasi illegal, and we're seeing a movement that move

(32:43):
them back into that. I mean, I think you know,
every culture in its history has had some kind of
whether it's drugs or alcohol, that they've used as part
of the social fabric of their society. And we have again,
it's that sort of separation that you're talking about, where

(33:04):
we have now made it so that it has become
so separated that it's now an isolating thing. And it's
in the very isolation that you're talking about that we
end up finding ourselves hovering around our own little world
and our own little enclave, maybe even by ourselves, and
then getting hooked into one of these things. So what

(33:26):
are those gateways that get us into the addiction.

Speaker 7 (33:29):
Well, the easiest, most simplistic gateway that we all have
an issue with, even if you have some level under control,
is the gateway to addiction is what they put in
our food sugar exactly. And it starts out right out

(33:51):
of the box, literally right out. You're born and you
can't produce enough milk, or you can't produce sufficient amounts
of milk at a rapid enough pace to help feed
your child, and before you've left the hospital, they give

(34:11):
you a goodie bag that's filled with different formulas for
you to consider to feed your child. I have a
newborn in my office who a couple days ago was
one month old, and I've seen them twice. And I've
seen them twice because she was having difficulty having the

(34:35):
kid latch onto her breast, and so the Layshae consultant
was saying, maybe you want to go to formula to
supplement what you can't get from the latching on to
the breast kind of thing. And so she was given
three different options. And when she noticed in her daughter

(34:55):
which she developed a sensitivity, a sensitivity to milk, which
is her primary food, so she brought in breast milk
and she brought into three different formulas that she was
considering feeding her child. And the child did have a
sensitivity to milk. So we fix the sensitivity, and as

(35:17):
far as I know, things are good, because I haven't
heard from her. I told her if there's if it works, great,
If it doesn't work, call me, don't let this become
a bigger problem than it needs to be. And it's
been two days and she hasn't called me, So I'm
assuming that what I did helped take care of the problem.
But at the end of the day, here's a brand
newborn who developed a sensitivity to milk.

Speaker 4 (35:41):
Sugar.

Speaker 7 (35:44):
Why because that's the gateway drug that gets everybody into addiction.
And once you have an addiction to sugar, Okay, ask
any mom of a three or four or five or
six year old. They're going to just go absolutely berserk
until they get the kind of food that they want.
And it's the mother's job to educate the child to
avoid all the crap foods that are out there and

(36:05):
to eat real foods. And if you're going to have
any of the cratfoods, you don't have the crabfoods regularly.
If anything, you can put it under the guise of
being a treat, even though it's not a treat at all.
That would be a mythnomer. But there's ways to navigate
the minefield within the food industry so that you can
avoid the addiction to sugar. But you have to be

(36:27):
aware of it. And until you're aware of it and
then truly become aware of all the insidiousness of it, it's.

Speaker 4 (36:35):
Going to be hard for you to get a handle
on it.

Speaker 8 (36:37):
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Speaker 8 (37:35):
We get back to this topic of addiction, how do
you distinguish the psychological addiction from physical dependence? I mean,
what is what's the difference that's going on there?

Speaker 7 (37:46):
Well, physical dependence means that you have to have it
in order to survive, in order for your body to
continue to function. Okay, Like we have a physical dependence
upon oxygen, we have a physical dependent upon water, we
have a physical dependence upon food.

Speaker 8 (38:04):
But those aren't addictions.

Speaker 7 (38:05):
Those aren't addictions. They can become addictions, but there aren't addictions.
When you start to develop an unhealthy relationship with and
views whatever it is that oxygen or food or water
as being something that you obsess over and develop rituals
around and can only feel normal or feel relaxed when

(38:28):
you're partaking in whatever that is, then it becomes a problem.

Speaker 8 (38:35):
So there's a difference between the psychological addiction that you
have when you're talking about the rituals and things like that,
and the actual moment that the substance is clinging to
you and you physically feel completely ill at ease if
you don't have it.

Speaker 7 (38:54):
Yes, there's a difference, and the physical addiction can become psychological.

Speaker 8 (39:00):
So it can go either way.

Speaker 7 (39:01):
It can go either way, and what's important is to
understand the behavior and know how to address that behavior
so that it doesn't continue to spiral out of control.
But again, that goes back to actually caring for your
fellow human. That's about observing what is going on and

(39:22):
helping them to address it before it becomes so out
of hand that it now takes over their life.

Speaker 8 (39:28):
So what are the signs of physical addiction where you
know somebody is crossed that threshold.

Speaker 7 (39:42):
Signs of physical addiction are enlarged or constricted pupils, sudden
changes in weight, insomnia, bloodshot eyes, unusual body order, poor circulation, coordination,
looking on kempt, and possibly slurred speech.

Speaker 8 (40:03):
So would you know, Like, there are so many people
that have had this addiction to alcohol and have gone
into a twelve step program. And one of the things
that I noticed about a lot of people that are
into that cycle is that whether they are what they
would call a sober alcoholic or a recovering alcoholic.

Speaker 4 (40:23):
Or a functional alcoholic, well.

Speaker 8 (40:25):
No, if they're going into the where they're not using
it anymore, but they still identify as being an alcoholic.

Speaker 7 (40:32):
One's an alcoholic always an alcoholic because you're always wandering
away from relapsing, right, So if you have issues with alcohol,
you will always have issues with alcohol. Now, alcohol is
the adult form of sugar, Okay, So if you have

(40:52):
a sugar addiction, the likelihood of you developing an alcohol
addiction that you won't even see as an alcohol addiction
is hot. I had an alcohol addiction when I was
a freshman in college, and I learned, and I recognized
very quickly that I'm not a nice person when I

(41:13):
consume more alcohol than my body can process. And I
recognize that because of a series of events that happened
over the course of one evening and I looked myself
in the mirror and I said, you are an a
hole when you consume alcohol, and we don't want to
be that person, so we're going to give up alcohol.

Speaker 4 (41:36):
And so.

Speaker 7 (41:40):
My dad's brother drank himself to death. I watched the
level of consumption objectively that my parents consume when they
go out to eat, and I think there's a subtle
problem there, but it's not something that is out of hand,

(42:03):
so I'll allow them to whatever. I don't need to
stick my nose where I'm not welcomed. But the addictive
nature of how I was with sugar growing up as
a kid, and how that transferred over to alcohol my
freshman year of college, I would have been a really,
really bad alcoholic. And I recognized enough, and I imagine

(42:25):
that spirit enticed me to not go down that hole
kind of pulled me away from it, and that was
where I committed to getting into healthcare and making a
difference in wanting to change people's lives and wanting to
help people not ever have these kinds of things. So

(42:47):
I'm personally aware of addiction, and in the roughly forty
years that I've helped people, I've helped lots of people with.

Speaker 4 (42:57):
Addiction overcome their addictions.

Speaker 7 (43:00):
Most severe case with somebody that was addicted to heroin
and we got them off a heroin within an hour
and a half conversation by just unraveling their emotional reality
as to why they would ultimately choose that and when
it started in their life, and when we help them
recognize that, the whole file of why they would behave

(43:21):
that way collapsed and went away.

Speaker 9 (43:23):
Yeah, I mean, there is that nature that people have
where they have a casual relationship to using something, whether
it's alcohol or a drug or something like that, but
then it crosses over to where it becomes.

Speaker 8 (43:39):
A risk factor. Going forward, your experience of your own
college days, realizing something about yourself and how you responded
under the influence of the drugs of the alcohol. When
does that When does that crossover happen or is it

(44:00):
kind of there's no way to use any of these things.

Speaker 4 (44:03):
Well, it's an individual circumstance.

Speaker 7 (44:06):
I mean, there are people who, as we just mentioned
a little bit ago, who are functional drunks. They drink,
but they're still able to function, Okay, And when their
ability to function and get the job done starts to
get impacted, it's about being surrounded by people that actually
care and that actually notice and can check in with

(44:28):
you and can you make you aware of it? And
you know, people like their habits. People don't want to
think that they're out of control. People don't want to
think that they have an addiction. People don't want to
think that they couldn't stop anytime they wanted to stop.
I just don't choose to stop right now. Well, if

(44:48):
you're not choosing to stop something that somebody else has observed,
that is potentially problematic. You have a problem. Oh I'm
in control, I can stop anytime I want. Good show
me that you can stop. Well I don't feel like
doing that. Well, okay, now you've just identified you've defended
your position. That's a problem when you're defending behavior that

(45:10):
isn't productive, certainly not productive for you as an individual
and may have collateral damage out in society. That's a problem,
and that's something that needs to be addressed.

Speaker 8 (45:22):
I mean one of the ways that people have been
addicted that has been societally accepted, beyond alcohol that has
some pretty terrible side effects for people who get drunk
or or spend a lot of time inebriated. But cigarettes
is another one that has become a huge problem where
you don't necessarily see the kind of behavioral issues around cigarettes,

(45:45):
except as if they don't get their cigarette, like when
the addiction is so strong that they become unbearable.

Speaker 7 (45:53):
They become unreasonable because they need a cigarette, right, And
my whole life, I've seen commercials sponsored by the Surgeon
General that has said, what about smoking.

Speaker 8 (46:08):
It's dangerous to your health, right, Yeah.

Speaker 7 (46:10):
And yet here we are sixty years later and it's
still a huge money maker. And I don't know how
people who smoke afford to smoke because the taxes on cigarettes.

Speaker 4 (46:25):
And that's the other ridiculousness.

Speaker 7 (46:27):
Okay, we're going to make it so difficult for people
to get cigarettes.

Speaker 4 (46:31):
We're going to tax the Jesus out of it.

Speaker 7 (46:34):
People don't care, they'll pay the tax because they need
their drug. And instead of just simply putting the whole
tobacco industry out of business by saying this is not
something that we accept to have in society because of
what it does to society, we're choosing to cut this

(46:56):
off to never do it again. But they have lobbying
efforts with the politicians and so cigarettes are still not
allowed to advertise the children.

Speaker 4 (47:08):
It's still being advertised.

Speaker 8 (47:09):
Well, that's what they're doing with vaping, right right. They're
making all these candy flavored vapes and you're seeing these kids.

Speaker 7 (47:16):
And they're more harmful than tobacco, by far right.

Speaker 8 (47:22):
By far Well, it's interesting about somebody like tobacco and
maybe even marijuana, is that if you look back to
before it became an industry, you know, with big, big industry.
In the native populations, tobacco was a sacred object. It
was a sacred thing, and they smoke a peace pipe
or to do that was a prayerful act. Correct, It

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wasn't an addictive act. It was something that was done
in regard to doing something.

Speaker 7 (47:51):
Making agreements, ceremony, celebration of something, and it was sacred, sacred,
And so we introduced alcohol to the Native Americans and
the Native Americans introduced to welcome peacepipe.

Speaker 8 (48:12):
You know, inverted for both of us because we've abused
tobacco in the same way that the alcohols become very
abusive in that population, right.

Speaker 4 (48:22):
And it's just it's.

Speaker 7 (48:25):
I care about society, I care about humanity, and I
want us as a society of people to do better
for each other. And the only way that we're going
to do that is somebody has to be a voice
of reason, and that somebody needs to turn into a
group of people need to be the voice of reason.

(48:45):
And we don't need to create a law around it.
We need to create common sense about it. We need
to educate our children that, yes, this is something that
adults did in the past.

Speaker 4 (48:58):
This is something that we're not doing anymore.

Speaker 7 (49:00):
Or so you may see movies, you may see films,
you may see pictures or where passed where this is
what people did. I mean, there used to be advertisements
major League baseball players talking about and football players talking
about smoking cigarettes.

Speaker 4 (49:17):
And it's just like if you.

Speaker 8 (49:19):
Look at the movies from the nineteen thirties, right after
the prohibition ended, the amount of drinking is unbelievable. They
just there's never a point and the same with cigarettes,
there's never a point where they're not spoiling cigarettes. But
a lot of those things were being funded by those industries.

Speaker 7 (49:38):
Right, And so what's said is the fact that if
it's something that they want us to do, then the
playbook is is that they're going to restrict it. And
when they restrict it, then people are just like, well,
I don't like to be restricted, so I'm going to
go do it anyway. And whether it's legal or whether
it's illegal. You know, it's funny that the fact that

(49:58):
marijuana can this used to be illegal. Well, now that
they know how to monetize it, well, now we'll make
it legal because we can make money off of it.
And that's exactly what they did, yep.

Speaker 8 (50:10):
And it's changed it quite a bit from what it
was to what it is now.

Speaker 4 (50:14):
Right, And it's it's just.

Speaker 7 (50:18):
It's sad that our society, instead of being present for
their life, they have to find a way to escape
their life, and they do it in a way that
it becomes an addiction and it becomes an obsession, and
it ruins people's lives, and it ruins families and it

(50:38):
ruins it's ruining our society.

Speaker 8 (50:41):
Well, I think you know, and I want to just
sort of turn this around to what we're doing here,
you and I and these conversations, is that you're one
of those people that is out there trying to make
that personal adjustment for people, to help people with that
personal adjustment where they're taking back control of their lives
where they can put these things aside and change and

(51:02):
transform and make decisions and make choices that are better
for them. And I'm sure there are people that are
hearing this stuff that's resonating with them in one way
or another and would like to be able to have
a deeper conversation, more full conversation about their particular situation.
In that case, what's the best way to get a
hold of you?

Speaker 7 (51:21):
Best way to get a hold of me would be
to call this little instrument that I have sitting next
to me. It's called my cell phone, and that cell
phone number is area code eight four five five six
one two two two five again eight four five five
six' one BAC k.

Speaker 4 (51:38):
Five six one.

Speaker 7 (51:39):
Back so calling me on my cell phone is the
best way to get a hold of. Me IF i
don't answer the. PHONE i want to talk to. You
so IF i don't answer the, phone please leave me
a message AND i.

Speaker 4 (51:50):
Will call you.

Speaker 7 (51:51):
BACK i don't really like that people do, this but
people are lazy nowadays and they just assume send me a. Text,
well if you're going to send me a, text IF
i don't know who you, Are i'm going to ignore your.
Text so you met, her call me initially so THAT
i know who you, are so that when you text,
ME i actually know Who i'm texting. With but texting

(52:12):
is not the most efficient way to communicate with. Me
email is more efficient BECAUSE i get an address of
where it came, from And i'm able to communicate directly
back to that. Person and so whether you call me,
directly whether you email, me or whether you text, ME
i want to have a conversation with, you and ultimately
that conversation is going to lead to an invitation come

(52:34):
into my office for an.

Speaker 4 (52:35):
Evaluation and the.

Speaker 7 (52:37):
Evaluation is where all the value of what it is
THAT i do and HOW i can help you and
answer all your questions and put you back on a
pathway to restore your health or whatever your case happens to.
Be and that's What i'm interested in doing for.

Speaker 4 (52:51):
You SO i.

Speaker 7 (52:52):
Appreciate the question. MARK i appreciate you the listener for.
Listening i'm going to ask you to tune back in next,
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