Episode 144: Heart Health

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:04):
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Speaker 2 (00:05):
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seen worse than the doctor. Just gave me a pill.
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of that, on top of that, on top of that,
on top of that, on top of that, and then
he showed me his bill.

Speaker 1 (00:34):
I've popped another pill.

Speaker 3 (00:36):
Welcome to When Your Health Matters. Your host is doctor
Richard Huntoon of Advanced Alternative Medicine Center located right here
in Pool of Georgia. Doctor Hantoon has been practicing alternative health,
utilizing chiropractic and many other health techniques for the past
twenty seven years to support you when your health matters.
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Speaker 4 (01:23):
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Speaker 5 (01:27):
Welcome to this week's show, When Your Health Matters, the
show designed to empower you to better health through knowledge
and education. And I'm your host, doctor Richard Huntun from
Advanced Alternative Medicine Center. And here's my partner for the show,
your health advocate Mark.

Speaker 1 (01:41):
Don Good to be back with you again. And you
know we're entering into this time of the summer months,
and July in particular is a month that focuses on
the fire elements. Makes sense because it is the hottest
time of the year and in Chinese medicine, one of
the organs is related to the fire is the heart.

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So what is the significance of those two the element
of the fire and the heart being the organ associated
with it. Why does that come together?

Speaker 5 (02:09):
Like that great question? First and foremost, Happy fourth of July,
Happy Independence Day, happy celebration of our great country and
to all the listeners, I appreciate your being patriots and
celebrating the fourth of July. So, as we discussed last

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month when the fire element went dominant, fire is the
time of maximum expansion and the peak of the expansion
versus its counterpart of the contraction found in the water element.
So after fire leaving the small intestine last month, we
now enter into the heart element to support the beginning
of the summer and the heat of fire. So that's

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why the heart relates to.

Speaker 1 (02:58):
And I remember we were talking about the water element
early in the winter. And actually, in Chinese medicine, the
kidneys are considered the most important, not the heart. I
think in the West we sort of perceive the heart
as being your most important organ. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (03:10):
Well, at the end of the day, it's not a
bad thing because the heart is where spirit lives, Okay,
But as far as the dynamic of the physical body
and what regulates how the body functions, et cetera, the
most important organ happens to be the kidney.

Speaker 1 (03:25):
Mm hmm. Now what does the heart do besides circulating
the blood? Is there anything more than just a pump?
That's helping to get the blood to go around your body.

Speaker 5 (03:36):
Well, it's certainly more than an I just pointed out
the house of spirit. It's where the spirit resides. Okay,
It's where all the true memory is stored and absolute knowing.
So we think it's funny that I'm using the word think.
We think in our brain.

Speaker 6 (03:54):
Okay. Our brain is about sorting out facts.

Speaker 5 (03:58):
Okay, But when you know something, when you truly know something,
the phrase is you know it by heart. When you
know something by heart, you don't have to think about
it because you know it, You've embodied it. And that
knowing and that embodiment is where the home of spirit is,
which happens to be in the heart.

Speaker 1 (04:15):
So it's a deeper understanding or a deeper knowledge that
you have there.

Speaker 6 (04:19):
Correct.

Speaker 1 (04:20):
So well, let's talk about the physiology of the heart
and how does the heart It has chambers for the
different parts of receiving the blood and pumping the blood out.
Can you describe the chambers of the art and how
they work.

Speaker 5 (04:33):
Well, from a functional standpoint, we have two upper chambers
known as atreus, and we have two lower chambers known
as ventricles. So blood returns from the body to the
upper right chamber through the superior or inferior vena cava.
Then with the contraction of the upper heart, blood leaves
the right atrium and moves to the lower right ventricle.

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When the heart contracts again, it pushes the blood from
the right ventricle to the lungs to exchange the old
carbon dioxide for new oxygen. Then it returns to the
heart in the left atrium before passing through the left
tricuspid valve into the left lower ventricle before being pumped

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to the body to deliver the new oxygen.

Speaker 6 (05:23):
To the tissue.

Speaker 1 (05:24):
So if I understand that correctly, the heart, it pumps
the blood to the lungs when the lungs comes back
into the heart to be pumped into the body. Correct,
is that right? So there's the received the receptacles for
the blood coming back right.

Speaker 5 (05:38):
Those are the atria, okay, which is the upper chambers
of your heart, the right side and the left side.

Speaker 1 (05:43):
The right right and left side of the atrio.

Speaker 5 (05:45):
The right atrium receives blood from the body as a whole.
That's where the deoxygenated or the the carbon dioxide full
blood gets returned from the body to the heart. Okay, Now,
once it enters the right atrium, the right the upper
part of the heart is going to contract, which is

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going to force all the blood out of that right
atrium into the right ventricle, the lower portion of the
heart and lungs, and from the right ventricle, then that
gets pumped to the lungs to drop off the carbon dioxide.
And by dropping off the carbon dioxide, it unloads the

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the the the the cargo to the lungs to release Okay,
Then it picks up the oxygen, puts it into the
blood and pumps it from the lungs back to the
left atria, the upper chamber of the left side.

Speaker 6 (06:50):
Of the heart.

Speaker 1 (06:51):
Oxygenated blood.

Speaker 6 (06:52):
Correct.

Speaker 5 (06:53):
Then that passes from the left atrium to the left ventricle,
which is the lower chamber of the left side of
the heart, before it gets pumped out through the aorta
to the rest of the body to deliver that new
oxygen to the tissues so that it can perform its
physio physiological processes at the cellular level.

Speaker 1 (07:16):
The enormous intelligence of the body is truly amazing, absolutely Okay. Now,
there are valves in the heart, so those must keep
the things from moving from the wrong into the wrong
places at the wrong time.

Speaker 6 (07:27):
Correct.

Speaker 5 (07:28):
So they're like a bunch of doors. They open and
close based upon whether the heart is contracting or whether
it or if it's relaxing between contractions.

Speaker 6 (07:38):
So when the.

Speaker 5 (07:38):
Upper part of the heart contracts, the doors between the
upper and lower chambers open and the blood passes through
from the upper to the lower chambers. When the heart
is relaxing and filling, the doors are closed to seal
off the chambers.

Speaker 1 (07:53):
So is that when the valve is leaking, you hear
about leaky valves right.

Speaker 5 (07:57):
Well, valves do leak, and it's actually a very simple issue,
mark one medicine doesn't fully understand because they don't look
for understanding. Your heart's electrical system is controlled primarily through
the use of B vitamins. When the heart is deficient
in B vitamins and minerals and traits minerals, the heart

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torques on itself to conserve the proper ratio of nutrition
in the heart, so that torquing of the heart does
not allow the doors to close properly and create leaky
valves and reflux.

Speaker 6 (08:33):
Within the heart.

Speaker 5 (08:34):
So while the irregular heart issues are usually due to
nutritional deficiencies due to consuming too much refined sugar and
not having the probiotics to allow for proper absorption of
the v vitamins that help to regulate the normal flow
and the.

Speaker 6 (08:49):
Normal balance and the normal alignment of the heart.

Speaker 1 (08:53):
So you're saying that alignment that keeps the valves goes.
It's like having the door in your house. If the
door jam is, the door's not going to close properly. Right.

Speaker 5 (09:02):
So if you take the left upper corner of your
house and the right lower corner of the house and
you twist them in opposite directions, even just as much
as an inch will the doors and windows close properly.

Speaker 1 (09:15):
We're not going to close properly, right, close.

Speaker 5 (09:17):
It all if they close, or even if they open
it all right, Okay, So it takes just that little
subtle shift to cause malfunctioning in the open and closing
of the doors of the heart.

Speaker 6 (09:28):
And that's based upon nutrition.

Speaker 1 (09:30):
That's basically yeah. Because you can move around in all
kinds of ways, So it's not like you're you're not
moving your body around and twisting your body into different shapes.
That's not what we're talking about. We're talking about when
that nutritional deficiency happens, Now the body can't restore it shape.

Speaker 5 (09:46):
The heart constricts on itself in an effort to maintain
the ratios of what it should be, so it gets smaller.
And by constricting and twisting on itself to maintain the
proper ratios of the ingredients, now stops the doors from
opening and closing and aligning the way that they're supposed to.

Speaker 1 (10:08):
Oh, that's interesting, that's very interesting. And now the heart
muscle itself is a rather unique muscle in the body,
is it not. It's not like the muscles of your
biceps or something.

Speaker 5 (10:18):
No, it actually is specialized muscle. It's called cardiac muscle.
It has its own electrical system that is closed from
the rest of the body. It self regulates unless it's
lacking proper nutrition and then heart issues develop.

Speaker 1 (10:32):
Now, is a heartbeat more than an electrical impulse or
is that what's really going on there?

Speaker 5 (10:37):
Well, it is functionally the spreading of the electrical impulse
from the sinoatrial node to the atrial ventricular node to
the Perkini system within the rest of the heart muscle itself.
So it is a wave of electrical flow from the
right upper side of the heart to the middle part
of the heart, down through the central part of the heart,

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feeding the electrical system to the rest of the heart.

Speaker 1 (11:01):
M h. And I mean it's I mean that a
whole complex thing. That it can run all that together
in an orderly fashion and keep everything functioning right, it's
kind of an amazing thing. So, now, how much blood
does your heart actually hold? I mean you have something
what like five or seven liters of blood in your body.

Speaker 5 (11:22):
Well, the human heart does not actually hold a specific
amount of blood. Instead, it pumps that blood continuously through
the body. The average heart pumps about five liters of
blood per minute. This means that over the course of
the day, the heart pumps approximately seventy two hundred liters
of blood.

Speaker 1 (11:41):
Wow. You now, when when it comes at filtering that blood,
is the heart the filter or does something filter the
blood before it gets to the heart.

Speaker 5 (11:50):
Well, the liver is the filter of all the things
that come into the body. The kidneys are what filters
the liquid portion of what comes into the body, and
the spleen is another internal filter that filters the blood itself.
When the blood gets recycled, because it's lived its lifespan,
which is roughly one hundred and twenty days. Now, the lungs,

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the large intestine, and the skin are the external filters.
So the liver, of the kidneys, and the spleen are
the internal filters.

Speaker 1 (12:18):
Okay, Now, if things get past those filters, does that
cause heart problems?

Speaker 5 (12:24):
They can if it is cholesterol that is attaching to
the walls of the heart and blood vessels become too much,
creating the narrowing of the blood vessels and the hardening
of those blood vessels, and it sets up for the
possibility of a heart attack or heart disease or athosclerosis.

Speaker 1 (12:45):
Now, when you talk about the circulatory system and there
are veins and arteries, what's the difference between what the
veins do and what the arteries do.

Speaker 5 (12:55):
Well, what we were taught in school is that arteries
starts with the letter A, and so the arteries carry
blood away from the heart and the veins bring blood
back to the heart.

Speaker 1 (13:05):
Okay, Now, are vascular problems Is that the same thing
as a heart problem?

Speaker 5 (13:10):
Well, I guess it would depend on which vessels are
being affected. If they're cardiovascular disease, meaning that the vessels
within the body that ultimately impact the functioning of the heart.
Then the answer would be yes.

Speaker 1 (13:22):
But I mean, arteries normally harden over time. That's something
that we here all the time.

Speaker 6 (13:28):
It's funny.

Speaker 5 (13:28):
Normally the answer is no, it's not normal to have disease.
It's very common to have disease. But it's anything but normal.

Speaker 1 (13:35):
But I mean, as you ate, so isn't that pretty
typical that that would happen that people could harden arteries?

Speaker 5 (13:41):
Well, at the end of the day, it's a byproduct
of the crap foods we eat that get deposited into
the walls of the arteries as a result of the
crap food that we eat. If we didn't eat crap
food and time didn't pass as we continued age, Yes,
it's associated with age because that's the byproduct of the.

Speaker 6 (13:58):
Things that happen over time.

Speaker 1 (14:00):
M h. Now, what causes those blocks in your arteries
is that we typically hear that's cholesterol.

Speaker 5 (14:05):
Well, it's the crap food and the impacts it has
on your body's way of dealing with the crab food,
which is how it's asked to deal with and so
the body responds by producing bad cholesterol.

Speaker 1 (14:16):
And the bad cholesterol accumulates in the arteries and then
the blood can't pass.

Speaker 5 (14:20):
Through well, it accumulates in the arteries if there's damage
going on.

Speaker 1 (14:25):
And what causes the damage.

Speaker 6 (14:26):
The crap food.

Speaker 5 (14:29):
So the crap food creates damage, the body produces bad
cholesterol in which to sure up and heal the damage,
and you keep putting in the crap food, which keeps
creating more damage, which keeps creating more bad cholesterol, and
eventually the bad cholesterol wins out by clogging the artery,
and then you have a heart attack, or you have
a stroke, or you have an embolism, or you have

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a blood clot or whatever the case happens to be.

Speaker 1 (14:55):
Mm hmmmm hmm. And I mean, are there different types
of blocked arteries or are they all on the same level.

Speaker 5 (15:02):
Well, there are those within the heart, then there are
those within the lung, the kidneys, the carotids, or anywhere
in the periphery. So yeah, there's different types of blocked arteries.
And like I said, they're either called a heart attack,
they're called a stroke, they're called an emolyism.

Speaker 1 (15:18):
So each of those is a is happening in.

Speaker 5 (15:20):
It that's a blockage in a different part of the
body and has a different effect. They're all blockages, and
they're all given specified names for the type of blockage
because they have to if you have three or four
different types of blockages, you need to be able to
refer to which type of blockage we're talking about.

Speaker 1 (15:39):
I see, I see. Now, are are some heartbeat diseases
congenital versus acquired by you know, years of eating wrong?

Speaker 5 (15:49):
Yes, as you can be born with a heart defect
that is physical and that affects function, and that's usually
going to end up as a congenital heart problem that's
usually going to require some kind of surgical intervention.

Speaker 1 (16:00):
Mm hm. I had a friend who had that when
he was twelve years old, had that surgery. What prevents
the heart from working properly.

Speaker 5 (16:09):
Well, that'd be many things, mark Ideally, it all traces
back to nutritional deficiencies, not having enough of the proper
fuel to maintain normal function, and the effects that creates
over time is ultimately what prevents the heart from working properly.

Speaker 1 (16:24):
It's a wind do you actually need to go in
for heart surgery because the damage has gotten so severe.

Speaker 5 (16:30):
When you have clogged arteries within the heart, poor electrical
functioning due to nutritional deficiencies that are treated with cardiaccoplation
or with pacemakers. And the sad part is is that
the average consumer has heard about cardiaccoplation and they're even
willing to have cardiacciblation, not knowing that they're setting themselves

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up down the road to go into a much larger surgery,
which is where they now have to put a pacemaker
in in order to regulate your heart instead of your
heart regulating itself.

Speaker 1 (17:01):
And what is that upblation? What does that term mean?

Speaker 5 (17:05):
Well, essentially, what they're doing is they're going in through
the iliac vein I'm sorry, iliac artery in the groin,
and they're taking a wire and they're going up through
the iliac artery up through the aora into the heart.
And what they're doing is they're actually going to superheat

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that wire and they're going to burn the sinoatrial node
area in the heart, which now stops it from functioning,
so that the spread of electrical impulses across the heart
now goes back to a normal rhythm because the irregular

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transfer from the essay node to the I'm sorry, from
the sin atrial node to the atrial ventricular node has
now been disconnected. Did so, now there's just one central
place that is beating as opposed to and creating a
chain event.

Speaker 1 (18:08):
Wow. I mean it shocks you just even hear what
that is.

Speaker 6 (18:11):
Yeah, and so.

Speaker 5 (18:13):
Over time, because you haven't addressed the reason for why
it's occurring to begin with, it's going to come back.
And when it comes back, they can't do what they
did initially. So now they got to go to the
next level. And the next level is a big, a
big finder's fee for the hospital and for the people
that have to go through the procedure.

Speaker 1 (18:31):
Wow. After that part of the conversation, I need to
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Speaker 1 (19:31):
So just before the break, we were talking about some
of the things that you might need. In terms of
heart surgery. You were talking about oblation. There are also
things like where they put stents in your heart. What
are the stints about and what do they do?

Speaker 5 (19:44):
Well, if you have clogging of the pipes in your house,
and you can put a insert into the pipe that
opens up the hole in the clogged pipe so that
it's no longer clogged.

Speaker 1 (19:59):
Like a snake that you would a plumber would.

Speaker 5 (20:01):
Use, that's essentially what a stint is. A stint is
a small little tube that they can insert into the
arteries of your heart in an effort to keep the
arteries open or what they call patent, so that blood
can continue to pass through the heart.

Speaker 1 (20:18):
And so that would be would that be preliminarily something
that might happen before you would have something like an
artery replaced.

Speaker 5 (20:29):
Yeah, and it might be the solution to the person
that had a heart attack because of.

Speaker 6 (20:36):
A blocked artery.

Speaker 5 (20:38):
Okay, they may be able to use that to open
up the artery as opposed to having to do a
bypass or putting in a new artery.

Speaker 1 (20:48):
And what is about heart bypass operation? What does that do?

Speaker 5 (20:54):
It? Basically, if you've had a heart attack and there's
an area of your heart that's no longer works, king,
and you still have to get blood across the river,
so to speak, Okay, you have to set up a
bypass that's going to go around the area where the
congestion is so that you can continue to feed the
other side that isn't being fed because of the congestion.

Speaker 1 (21:16):
Wow, okay, I mean, it seems like so many people
are having that kind of surgery, and there seem to
be differences between some surgeries you can do without having
to do full open heart surgery and other surgeries where
you actually put somebody on a heart lung machine where
their heart stops functioning altogether for the duration of the

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surgery at least, right.

Speaker 5 (21:38):
Right, And so it's wonderful the techniques and the technology
that we have that we're enabled to help people continue
to live their lives and prolong their lives and all that.

Speaker 6 (21:49):
What are we missing, Mark, preventing it? Right, We're missing
the prevent I.

Speaker 1 (21:53):
Mean, you were looking to become a heart surgeon at
one point.

Speaker 5 (21:57):
At one point early in my career, I desperately wanted
to become a cardiothoracic surgeon, and I would have been
spectacular at it because of my work ethic, But at
the end of the day, I decided that it was
a better route to stop people from having heart disease
versus winning some and losing some on an operating table
and having to deal with the consequences of having somebody's

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loved one not survive the surgery.

Speaker 6 (22:20):
So that's kind of.

Speaker 5 (22:23):
Where I developed a lot of my passion for wanting
to understand mechanisms of cause and what it takes in
order to fix the problem so that it's not a
problem at all. And every every health problem that we have,
Mark is because we are not getting the proper ingredients
that nature provided for us, but that man has bastardized

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and refined out it's.

Speaker 1 (22:49):
Taken out of their diges. So is this fundamentally why
heart disease is the number one cause of death today.

Speaker 5 (22:56):
Number one cause of death because of the crap food
that we eat. And when you eat crap food and
the body has to respond or in this case, react
to the lack of nutrition. The body comes up with
solutions to let you either let you know that you
have deficiencies or to just the natural effect of not

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having the right ingredients and you're robbing from Peter to
pay Paul, and you know, creating degeneration over time as
a result of the lack of proper repair ingredients.

Speaker 1 (23:29):
Now, one of the things that I've always had trouble
quite understanding is that you hear about people who have
heart failure and they're still walking around. And I would
have thought that heart failure, your heart's not functioning. But
that doesn't necessarily mean that you have died. You can
have heart failure. So what is exactly what does that mean?

Speaker 5 (23:53):
Well, heart failure is when the heart can no longer
function as it's intended, so the heart begins to fail.
So when you have heart failure, the heart isn't functioning
as it was designed to function. That doesn't necessarily mean that.

Speaker 1 (24:11):
You're dead or it's stopped altogether, right, Okay, I see,
So I mean, and isn't the factor that really is
more difficult for the heart to do. It's not so
much pumping the blood out to the body, but it's
actually the return of blood to the heart.

Speaker 5 (24:27):
Right all blood is within a closed system, ultimately pumped
around the body under the functioning of the heart. And
so when you get heart failure, that pump is going
to impact how blood leaves the heart and how.

Speaker 6 (24:40):
Blood returns to the heart.

Speaker 5 (24:42):
And so when you get right sided heart failure, the body,
the heart itself has trouble receiving blood from the body,
So people will get swollen ankles. That's heart related. That's
typically right sided heart failure because you can't return the
blood back to the heart the way that it's supposed

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to because the right side of the heart is failing.

Speaker 1 (25:07):
Mm hmm. And if you had left sized failure, is
that as.

Speaker 5 (25:10):
Common or then you would have difficulty pumping blood to
the rest of the body, and then that it would
create a different level of symptoms and signs.

Speaker 1 (25:20):
Now, is I mean we haven't really talked about what
a heart attack is what exactly is a heart attack.

Speaker 5 (25:29):
A heart attack is when blood can no longer get
to the part of the heart that is needed for pumping.
And so if one of the arteries, the cardiac artery,
is being blocked due to all the crap food that
has led to the cholesterol plaquing that chokes off the

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pipe that is the artery. When a cardiac artery, an
artery within the heart gets blocked, then it can't deliver
nutrition to the muscle that is fed by that artery.

Speaker 6 (26:04):
So then the muscle.

Speaker 5 (26:05):
Doesn't get the nutrition that it needs.

Speaker 6 (26:07):
So then.

Speaker 5 (26:09):
It goes into spasm and you have a heart attack.
And if the blood was cut off completely, then that
part of the heart dies. Wow, it doesn't mean that
the whole heart is dead, Okay, And they can do
workarounds with you know, pacemakers and you know bypass surgery,

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et cetera, and they can continue to maintain the heart.
But maybe the heart's not at one hundred percent anymore.
Maybe it's at ninety percent, maybe it's at seventy five percent,
maybe it's at sixty percent.

Speaker 1 (26:41):
So when you talk about somebody had a minor heart
attack versus I mean some some heart attacks are fatal.
But then you hear about people who've survived heart attacks,
you know, and it's considered a minor arttack. Does that
mean they've had to have a pacemaker?

Speaker 5 (26:57):
Well, statistically, five percent of Americans suffer from a severe
or fatal heart attack as their first indication that they
have heart disease.

Speaker 1 (27:08):
Wow.

Speaker 5 (27:10):
The other forty five percent mm hmm, they're going to
get some level of understanding and they're going to get
some level of intervention before they actually have something that
takes their life.

Speaker 6 (27:23):
So it's just a question of which half of that.

Speaker 1 (27:28):
Aside. You're right. Now, there's another thing called atrial fibrillation,
which is now seems to get a lot of advertising
time that I'm seeing now in various forms. What is
atrial fib relation and why is that a problem?

Speaker 5 (27:41):
Well, atrial fibrillation or aphib is an irregular and often
rapid heart rhythm that affects the heart's upper chambers or atria.

Speaker 1 (27:51):
And causes heart attacks or what does it do? Why
is that? I mean that's you want that rhythm to
be regular.

Speaker 5 (27:58):
You do want it to be regular. If if it's
not regular, you have a B vitaminium and a mineral
deficiency within the heart, typically due to eating too much
refined sugar. And so if you have a tendency to
eat too much refined sugar, and lots of people don't
understand consuming alcohol, sugar is a form of sugar. It's

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the adult form of sugar.

Speaker 6 (28:21):
Okay.

Speaker 5 (28:22):
So I have a friend who recently posted on Facebook
that she was excited that she was able to ride
her bike fifty miles, which in and of itself is fantastic,
But it was a few months after she had had
cardiac ablation what we talked about in the previous section,

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because she had an irregular heartbeat. So I congratulated her
for her bike adventure. I congratulated her for surviving, you know,
and having cardiacciblation, etc. I said, I'm not going to
have this conversation on this forum, but please messenger me
so I can tell you about what they're going to

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be setting you up for by having the ablation. And
so she said she would contact me the next day.
Spend six weeks. She still hasn't contacted me. Why because
she's moved on in her life. She doesn't even remember
that she had the conversation with me. But it's sad
because I know that there's a pacemaker waiting in her future,

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even if she thinks that she's still going to avoid
meat it.

Speaker 1 (29:29):
Yeah, Now, what causes what other conditions that cause the
heart to have irregular beats or rhythmia?

Speaker 5 (29:37):
Well, heart problems that you were born with called congeneral,
the heart defects, a problem with the heart's natural pacemaker
called six sinus syndrome, a sleep disorder called obstructive sleep apnea,
a heart attack, heart valve disease, high blood pressure, lung
disease including pneumonia, narrowed or blocked arteries called coronary the

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artery disease, thyroid disease such as an overactive thyroid, or
any kind of infection from viruses.

Speaker 1 (30:08):
There's a lot of reasons that you can have that
irregular heartbeat. Then, yeah, can you get your heartbeat to
be regular again if it's gone out of rhythm.

Speaker 6 (30:17):
Well you can.

Speaker 5 (30:18):
Healthy lifestyle choices can reduce the risk of heart disease
and may prevent atrial fibrillation. Some basic heart healthy tips
or control high blood pressure, high cholesterol, and diabetes. Do
not smoke or use tobacco, eat a diet that is
low in salt and saturated fat. Exercise at least thirty

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minutes a day on most days of the week, unless
your healthcare team says not to do so. Get good
sleep adult should aim for somewhere between seven and nine
hours every day. Maintain a healthy weight, reduce and manage stress,
and make sure you take a probiotic and consume plenty
of B vitamins. And you may want to sub supplement

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your B vitamins so that you don't create any kind
of health related deficiencies that may show up as atrial fibrillation.

Speaker 1 (31:08):
Mm hmm. Now why are people sometimes prescribe blood thinners.

Speaker 5 (31:15):
Blood thinners also known as anti coagulants, or prescribed to
prevent blood clots from forming or growing, which can reduce
the risk of serious conditions like heart attack or stroke.
They're often used for individuals at higher risk of blood
clots due to factors like irregular heart rhythm, heart disease,
or prior heart attack or stroke.

Speaker 1 (31:37):
I mean that's true, because I mean blood when it
stops is when it starts to coagulate, right, Yeah, If
you're not breathing, your heart rate either or not, your
blood's not constantly emotion the potential for it to coagulate
will be higher. Yes, now are statins prescribed for heart health?

Speaker 6 (32:00):
Funny question.

Speaker 5 (32:02):
Statins are prescribed to lower cholesterol levels, specifically bad cholesterol
or LDL and reduce the risk of cardiovascular disease. They
are often used to prevent heart attack and strokes, and
can also be used in individuals who have already experienced
such events. Statins work by blocking the enzyme in the
liver that is involved in cholesterol production, effectively reducing the

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amount of cholesterol that the body creates. The challenge is
is that it creates lots of problems.

Speaker 1 (32:32):
Like, what are some of the problems that it creates.

Speaker 5 (32:35):
Well, the obvious ones are muscle pain, fatigue. Then you
get digestive issues, headaches, sleep problems, liver damage, neurological side effects,
skin disease, dizziness, drowsiness, and most important, type two diabetes.
But what they're understanding now is Alzheimer's disease or dementia.

Speaker 6 (32:57):
Is now type three diabetes.

Speaker 5 (33:00):
That's where you don't have enough blood sugar to make
your brain function, and if you don't have enough cholesterol,
and since your brain is eighty percent cholesterol and they're
shutting off your body's ability to manufacture cholesterol.

Speaker 6 (33:12):
What do you think is going to happen to brains
over time?

Speaker 1 (33:14):
So you mean that that can be a cause of dementia.

Speaker 5 (33:17):
That is going to be a cause of or linked
to dementia and Alzheimer's disease.

Speaker 1 (33:22):
Wow, So these side effects, I mean they seem in
many ways, if not as bad and sometimes maybe worse
then the symptoms they're treating.

Speaker 5 (33:32):
Yeah, some might say that they are worse, and it
does open the door to more treatments. People need to
be aware of for their own understanding of what's being
done to them, and without having that level of understanding,
that's just being ignorant. And so you need to take
ownership of your body. You're responsible for your body. You
are the person who needs to understand if your body's
not working, why it's not working. And if you don't

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have a doctor who's going to help you understand that,
why then you need to get a better doctor because
otherwise you're going to have the consequences of not understanding
why things are malfunctioning.

Speaker 1 (34:05):
So are there alternatives to using a statin?

Speaker 5 (34:10):
Oh? Absolutely, I help people who I actually help somebody
this morning who had high cholesterol. I helped another person
the other day who had cholesterol that.

Speaker 6 (34:20):
Was too low.

Speaker 5 (34:22):
Okay, the consequences of having low cholesterol is going to
be a stroke or cancer, and the consequences of people
who have high cholesterol is going to be heart attacks
and heart disease. And so it's a question of having
too much or having too little, and it's about, you know,
the baby bear where everything is just right. So you
want to get with somebody who can help you restore

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balance to what your cholesterol levels should be. They should
be roughly between one hundred and eighty five and two hundred.
If it's above that, then you're leaning in the direction
towards a heart attack. If it's below that, you're leaning
in the direction of cancer and strokes. And if the
American Medical Association is under the guise of thinking that
everybody's cholesterol should be at least or it should be

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lowered to one hundred and fifty and the only way
that people are going to get there is through a statin,
then that's the reason for why they want everybody on
a statin.

Speaker 1 (35:17):
Well, if you're taking let's say you're taking the statins,
is there a way to get off of them if
you're already on them. I mean, so many of these
medications you said, are you're meant to take for the
rest of your life.

Speaker 5 (35:26):
Well, that's the plan for big pharma. Big pharma wants
you to be on them for the rest of your
life because that gives them passive income that they don't
have to worry about. The money just rolls in because
everybody's on it. So if your doctor can get everybody
on it and they get a piece of the pie, okay,
then they're padding their income while exploding the pharmaceuticals income.

(35:48):
And since there's no liability for the pharmaceutical industry, then
it's just basically handing them money and it doesn't matter
that people are dying as a result.

Speaker 1 (35:58):
So what do you do to get off of them?
I mean, I'm coming to see.

Speaker 5 (36:02):
You, coming to see me, and you want to get
an understanding of why is your body producing excess amounts
of cholesterol and what the mechanism of cause is and
addressing that and.

Speaker 1 (36:11):
Then we can we can work our way to getting
off those medications. Yeah, well that's great, that's great. Well,
this is a fabulous conversation. We're heavy today, dot Rick.
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can be done to secure your heart health naturally.

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Speaker 1 (37:14):
So we're back, Doc. Are there natural ways to unblock
your arteries?

Speaker 5 (37:20):
There are natural ways to unblock your arteries, and it's
a two step process. Step number one, stop the crap.
Stop eating the crap food that causes the problem. Eat
real food and add some exercise. That's step number two.
Step one is stop the crap. Step number two is

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replace it with real food and add some exercise. Add
some aerobic exercise, and that will help to unclog your arteries.
And if we need to give you a whole food
supplement that helps to reduce and create balance in the
arteries themselves, we have a couple of different remedies to

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help with that as well.

Speaker 1 (38:02):
So there are ways to nutritionally augment what you're taking
in your diet to help you with that process. Correct.
So all these ways that you're talking about are ways
to help your heart health without having to use drugs.

Speaker 6 (38:15):
Absolutely.

Speaker 5 (38:16):
Some of those ways are the aerobic exercise as I
just mentioned, exercise that lasts for greater than twenty minutes
after a fifteen minute warm up. You can also feed
the heart heart healthy supplements, which I do every day.
And since heart disease runs in my family, making sure
that I'm not going to have the same outcome as

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the rest of my family based upon the epigenetics that
we talked about in the previous show, I'm not going
to let that bother me anymore. I'm going to be
proactive with what it is that I do, and I'm
going to change the lineage of my whole family by
not mimicking the same outcomes that have happened in previous generations.

Speaker 1 (39:00):
If you already have a heart issue, how is it
that alternative medicine is going to help you? Is it
going to help turn that around? Is it going to
just keep you from going worse in the case of
having some kind of heart condition.

Speaker 5 (39:14):
Well, that depends upon your level of commitment. By addressing
the issue at the source and supporting the return to
a healthy functioning, by supporting the body to maintain normal,
healthy function then you can reverse, and you can repair,
and you can make it so that it's no longer
an issue.

Speaker 6 (39:31):
But you have to be willing to do the.

Speaker 5 (39:32):
Work, and most people don't necessarily want to do the work.
Everybody's looking for a simple answer to a problem that
has taken years to develop, and it's based upon negative habits.

Speaker 1 (39:43):
I mean, that's I mean when you talk about making
those lifestyle choices and eating better and getting exercise, the
level of resistance that people have to doing that and
the difficulty people have in turning some of those things
around seems to be quite overwhelming for some people.

Speaker 5 (40:01):
Well, it can be sugar and a lack of exercise
is what creates it. So if you can't change that lifestyle,
and if you can't reduce and eliminate the amount of
refined sugar that you're eating, then it's going to be
an uphill battle. But if you eliminate the main cause
and eliminate it, then you won't be feeding the problem anymore.

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And then if you do feed your body what it
needs in order to recover, then the body can recover now.

Speaker 1 (40:31):
And you said in terms of exercise, the general rule
that you had was thirty minutes of aerobic exercise. So
you're getting your heart rate up.

Speaker 5 (40:39):
Yeah, you want to take about fifteen to twenty minutes
to get your heart rate up to the level that
is aerobic for you, and I can help you understand
how to find that number. But once you're in your
aerobic zone, you want to maintain that for greater than
twenty minutes. And I say go for forty minutes. So
you got twenty minutes getting your body to understand what
you're asking it to do, then it's going to start

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to do it. So you want to maintain that for
twenty minutes, and then you get twenty minutes of heart
building heart health. Exercise to help improve the functioning and
the health of how your heart works.

Speaker 1 (41:14):
Yeah, because these bodies need to move. That's part of
what it means to be alive. Yeah, how about sleep?
You mentioned obstructive sleep apnea I think is the term
if I have it correctly. How important is sleep to
your heart health?

Speaker 5 (41:29):
Sleep is very, very important. Sleep is what helps the
body to recover and repair and restore normalcy, and so
you need to be able to have enough sleep. The
problem is is that most Americans have difficulty sleeping. I'm
trying to remember what the number is, but there's something

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like over one hundred thousand people don't sleep through the night,
and that just seems ridiculous. But that just gives us
an understanding of how much stress we're under, the lack
of proper nutrition, and the fact that we use our
devices as much as we do. You know, if you

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bring your device into your bedroom, that's going to be
a problem. Don't have a television in your bedroom, don't
have any electrical devices in your bedroom.

Speaker 1 (42:21):
Not an easy thing for you. I think in this
modern age, for most.

Speaker 5 (42:24):
Of us to do well, it's not easy because people
are addicted to their devices. And if you just recognize
the addiction and say to yourself that my health is
more important than me understanding what's going on on Facebook,
and I don't need that little addictive drug hormone being
secreted every single time I look at my Facebook feed

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and I get, you know, my health and wellness hormone
giving me the illusion that I'm having some sort of
positive benefit by looking at Facebook. Now, you've got to
recognized the addictive nature that it is, and you've got
to learn how to show it off and unplug from
it and create some space between you and it.

Speaker 1 (43:05):
It is the new cyber drug, and when you think
about it, twenty years ago, it didn't even exist exactly.
And yet by today's standard, most of the people that
I know, unless they're really elderly, are pretty much hooked
into these devices right now. We talked about supplements for health.
So one of the things that you talk about is

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that even if you're eating well, you may not be
having all the supplementation that you need for a healthy heart.
Are there specific supplements that would lead to a healthier heart.

Speaker 5 (43:37):
Absolutely there are, and we use the best ones from
a company called Standard Process, who makes specific ones to
support repair replenish the heart. I take all of them
every day and I have for several years. And when
I used to have heart related symptoms, I don't have now,
and I don't even worry about having them now as
I continue to age and having just turned sixty, knock

(44:01):
on wood, not going to have the same issue that's
in my family. And I will just keep moving on
and continue to support my health the way that I know.

Speaker 1 (44:12):
How to do that. That's really great. Now. So as
you're talking about you're talking about preventative care, which is
kind of where my next question was going to take us.
So you, in your own life, knowing the heredity of
your family in that history, you knew that that was
a potentiality. So you've been taking a preventive action so

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that that never happens to you.

Speaker 5 (44:35):
Absolutely, that's true, because an ounce of prevention is worth
a pound of cure.

Speaker 6 (44:40):
At least it used to be.

Speaker 1 (44:42):
Yeah, I think it still is.

Speaker 5 (44:43):
Well, you might need ten pounds of prevention in order
to create an ounce of a cure. Nowadays, I think
you need more prevention than you do, you know.

Speaker 1 (44:53):
Right, because we've diminished what we're taking in terms of
the preventative substances. Yeah, here's another direction that I want
to have and in this conversation, which is the emotional
components to your heart health. People talk about dying of
a broken heart. That's a real thing, and so what
facts you know, how much of a factor are the

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emotions of your heart in keeping that healthy.

Speaker 6 (45:19):
Well, it's they're huge.

Speaker 5 (45:20):
So if you feel vulnerable, if you feel lost, if
you feel insecure, if you feel abandoned or deserted, those
are the emotions that impact the heart directly. And a
person can die of a broken heart because they literally
felt that emotion so strong that it impacted the functioning

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of and ultimately caused the heart to stop functioning.

Speaker 1 (45:45):
So what are the ways that you might be able
to recuperate from something like a severe trauma that was
heartbreaking for you, Well.

Speaker 6 (45:53):
The same for everybody.

Speaker 5 (45:54):
You need to feel it, you need to express it,
and you need to replace it with something that serves
better for moving forward. So feel it, express it, and
replace it with something that serves better for moving forward.

Speaker 1 (46:10):
Now, one of the things that you know in the
Hindu and studies of energetic centers in the body, they
actually correspond to the glands in the body and the
hormonal production of the body. In India, they talk about
seven chakras, to say, seven main chakras on your body

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and those associate with ISAA said that the glands in
the center of that of the seven is the fourth one,
which is the heart. And so what does that do
and what does that chakra do and how does that
deal with energetic balances in your body.

Speaker 5 (46:48):
Well, at the end of the day, you have seven
main chakras, and as you just said, the central one
of the seven, so you got three above and.

Speaker 6 (46:55):
Three below would be the heart right in the middle.

Speaker 5 (46:58):
So the heart is what integrates those three chakras above
with the three chakras below. So we have the base chakra,
which is what connects us to the planet. The second
chakra is our creativity center. The third chakra is our
esteam center, the fourth chakra or the heart center. Then

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we have the throat chakra, which is our ability to
express our truth and speak our truth. Okay, your third
eye chakra gives you higher awareness and higher insights. And
then you have your crown chakra which connects you to
universal source. So as above, so below, and the integrator
of that would be your heart center or your heart chakra.

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So you got the three above being integrated through the
heart with the three below, and the heart is the
ultimate reconciler or balancer.

Speaker 1 (47:49):
And those energy centers they must have an impact on
your health.

Speaker 6 (47:56):
They do, they absolutely do.

Speaker 5 (47:58):
And so the you got your reproductive system, the pancreas
and the esteem center, the thymus gland, the thyroid gland,
the pituitary gland, all those combined with the hypothalamus. So
those different glands correspond to the different chakras, and so
making sure that those are balanced and functioning and working

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in harmony with all the other ones is what helps
to be the energetic influencer of how those parts of
your body also function physically.

Speaker 1 (48:32):
And when you talk about I mean to take the
conversation back to nutrition. We've always heard over the last
maybe thirty forty years that fat is the major enemy
of the heart. Is that really true? I mean you
talked about sugar really being more of the enemy of
the heart than fat.

Speaker 5 (48:49):
Well, sugar is the enemy of the heart. And when
you consume too much sugar, because the body doesn't need
that much sugar, it's going to convert it over to
a storage form, which happens to be fat. Now, the
interesting thing is is when you exercise aerobically, the primary
ingredient of the body needs to produce energy actually is fat.

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When you exercise anaerobically, the primary ingredient needed to make
anaerobic exercise happen is sugar.

Speaker 1 (49:19):
So what's the difference between aerobic and.

Speaker 5 (49:21):
Anmy So, aerobic activity increases health while increasing your fitness,
your ability to perform physical activity that's something like running,
that's endurance, endurance, any kind of endurance activity, cycling, running,
elliptical swimming, anything that is repetitive for a period of

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time greater than twenty minutes.

Speaker 6 (49:44):
Okay.

Speaker 5 (49:45):
Anaerobic uses sugar for fuel, and its activity is short
bursts for short periods of time, like lifting weights. So
like bodybuilders, body builders are very anaerobically excessive. They have
so much anaerobic ability that they shows up in their

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body by being big and strong and looking muscular, Okay.
Whereas aerobic activity is where you're actually focusing on the
cardiovascular system, the cardiovascular health and its ability to regulate
health and function. And so when you have good cardiovascular health,

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not only do you have overall health, but you also
have high quality function. When you just have anaerobic health, Okay,
you potentially can perform physical activity, but you may not
be healthy overall.

Speaker 1 (50:47):
Now, one day, I want to just point out that
something that I had heard that can be a problem
for those people who are exercising intensively, whether it's aerobic
exercise or anor they exercise and working themselves up, that
having ice cold water to refresh yourself after intense exercise,

(51:10):
because the stomach is located right next to the heart,
can actually create problems. Can you talk a little bit
about it, Because we know that water is essential, but
what about that ice water versus room temperature water.

Speaker 5 (51:23):
Cold water shut your stomach off. It stops the stomach
from functioning properly. So when you ingest cold water after
you've been exercising for a while and everything is warm
and in this case, everything is really hot on the inside,
and you throw cold water in there thinking that you're
going to help yourself cool yourself off. If the body

(51:45):
can't handle the stress of that, okay, then you're going
to create some stress within the system that may impact
the relationship of how the stomach sits below the heart.
And if the stomach goes into spasm and gets pulled
up a lot along with the esophagus into the thoracic
cavity where the heart sits. It's going to impact how

(52:05):
the heart functions because now you've got something pushing up
against it, which can create no I remember in passing out.

Speaker 1 (52:13):
A newscaster who actually had a heart attack after drinking
I think a quart of ice water after an intense
workout and passed away.

Speaker 6 (52:22):
Yeah, yeah, too bad.

Speaker 1 (52:24):
Now we're out of time for today's show, But before
we go, I'd like to give you an opportunity because
I think we've raised a number of issues that people
might find important to themselves in their own situation, but
have particular questions that are unique to them. What are
the best ways to reach out to you and get
those questions answered.

Speaker 5 (52:43):
Well, I would like to answer your question, So I'm
going to give you my cell phone directly in area
code eight four to five five six one two two
two five again eight four five five six one two
two two five again. That is my cell phone. I
would look forward to answering your questions by answering the phone,
but you've got to call it in order for me
to answer it. There are people out there that don't

(53:07):
want to have any level of communication, so they will
take a passive way, which I just find ridiculous, and
they'll send texts. I'm happy to receive texts, I just
don't really spend a lot of time engaging in texting.
I will answer your question, but more times than not,
I'm going to ask you to call me so I
can answer the question, because I'm not going to type

(53:29):
a whole dissertation through a text and an effort to
answer your question and give you the understanding that you need.
So we can start out by texting, but I'm going
to need to have a conversation with you, and you're
going to need to actually use your voice in order
to have that conversation, so calling me would be best.
Texting is the worst. You can email me directly at

(53:50):
doc ricdoc ri Ck at spineboy dot com, or the
best thing you could ever possibly do is come visit
me in my office at one point thirty eight Canal Street,
Pooler Park, that is in Pooler, Georgia. We're in sweet
four zero four of building four hundred and whether you
stop in, call, email, text, whatever the case happens to be.
I just want to help you to better understanding with

(54:11):
your health. So I want to thank you for the opportunity.
I want to thank you for your listening in to
today's show, going to ask you to tune back in
next week, same health time, same health station. This is
doctor Richard Untun from Advanced Alternative Medicine Center saying, I
look forward to supporting you when you're health matters.

Speaker 2 (54:31):
My physician he said, you're definitely ill. That's the nurse
I've seen worse from the doctor. Just gave me a pill.
Take one of those three times a day. Don't ever
stop until you're dearly dead.

Speaker 1 (54:43):
Or almost better.

Speaker 2 (54:43):
Keep out of the reach of children, the things that
might be some side effects probably will