Episode 145: Injury Recovery

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:04):
Be my physician.

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He said, you're definitely ill.

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Then to the nurse. I've seen worse than the doctor.
Just gave me a pill.

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Of that, and many showed me his bill.

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I've popped another pill.

Speaker 4 (00:36):
Welcome to When Your Health Matters. Your host is doctor
Richard Huntoon of Advanced Alternative Medicine Center located right here
in Pool of Georgia. Doctor Hantoon has been practicing alternative health,
utilizing chiropractic and many other health techniques for the past
twenty seven years to support you when your health matters.
It's his intention to offer practical advice every week for

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you to consider and to apply in your own life
to make your life and the lives of your family
and friends healthier and happier. When you have questions, you'll
get your answers from doctor Rick himself or another expert
on the show. Being empowered to make positive health choices
before problem arises is the best way to approach health,
and doctor Rick promises to have information for you every

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to take control of your health and your life.

Speaker 5 (01:23):
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Speaker 6 (01:27):
Welcome to this week's show, When Your Health Matters. The
show design to empower you to better health through knowledge
and education. And I'm your host, doctor Richard Untun from
Advanced Alternative Medicine Center. And here's my partner for the show,
your health advocate, Mark Satan.

Speaker 7 (01:41):
I'm really happy to be able to be able to
ask you some questions about what goes on when somebody
has been injured and maybe coming in to see you
and in order to really get a grip on how
it is that you focus on helping somebody through a
health crisis. How did you get into all the different

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modalities of healing that.

Speaker 1 (02:05):
You use, Well, it was basically a necessity. Mark.

Speaker 6 (02:09):
People present with unique and personal health challenges and I
am committed to helping them solve it. So I would
need new tools to do the specific jobs presented to
me for care, and when I didn't have a tool
or when the issue wasn't solving the way that I
would have anticipated it to solve, that you know, will

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always be miraculous. I would either get an email or
I would get a piece of mail from a doctor
or an organization offering a new technique that would be
specific to the person who just came in that I was,
you know, a little bit confused about how to address
their situation. And so I've learned thirty two different healthcare

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techniques on top of my doctorate in chiropractic, and I
haven't been asked by God if you will, or I
haven't been asked by any of my patients in probably
the last fifteen or twenty years to go out and
learn more information. So I'm thinking maybe thirty two different

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techniques is serving me well and serving my patient and
practice members well. So I just, you know, I have
a commitment to wanting to solve problems. And if you're
going to solve a problem, you need the right tool.
And if you don't have the right tool, then you
need to go out and learn it.

Speaker 7 (03:38):
Yeah. Well, I mean, how did you originally get into chiropractic,
which is where you have your license, I guess, and
that doctorate you were talking about.

Speaker 1 (03:47):
Yees.

Speaker 6 (03:47):
So I had hurt my back in a work related
accident and once to see a local kinesiologist who happened
to be a chiropractor who didn't advertise himself as a chiropractor.

Speaker 1 (03:57):
So when I was.

Speaker 6 (03:58):
Done seeing him on my initial I had an epiphany,
why not learn to prevent disease instead of manage and
treat it forever? So I went to the school where
he did, just simply to learn how he figured out
how to fix my problem in my back and not
simply manage the injury.

Speaker 1 (04:17):
And for me, it was life changing.

Speaker 6 (04:19):
And it opened me up to wanting to use the
same levels of understanding to solve other health problems.

Speaker 7 (04:26):
I mean, you were always looking to be in the
healthcare professions, right, Yeah.

Speaker 6 (04:30):
I had initially wanted to become a cardiothoracic surgeon. And
you know, my first lab class when I got into college,
we had to do experiments on frogs. It wasn't very
nice to the frogs, but you know, that's something that
I've come to since that time. But we had to

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take the hearts of the frogs out of the frogs,
and then do experiments with different horms hormones to see
what the hormones would do, whether it would increase the
heart rate or decrease the heart rate when the heart
was completely separated from the frog's body. And most of
my classmates weren't interested in killing the frog and taking
the heart out and all that kind of stuff, And

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so I did twenty in about forty minutes, and you know,
I was really intrigued by the whole process and by
that whole lab class. So being at the beginning of
my studying pre med it was it motivated me to
want to go on to do more of that type
of work. But then between my junior and senior year,

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when I had hurt my back between school years, I
went to see this doctor who put me back together,
and it probably was the perfect time. You know, I
just started. I'd already taking my MCAST, I was filling
out a medical college admission test applicatations and applying to

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medical schools, and then you know, this was a fork
in the road that I didn't even anticipate happening. And
so you know, that one fifty minute office visit opened
my brain to a whole bunch of questions and a
whole different perspective that made me choose to go to
chiropractic school.

Speaker 7 (06:22):
Put down the scalpel, and then hit off to a
different way.

Speaker 6 (06:26):
Of head off to a different way of helping people.
And what I've done is I can comfortably say that
I've prevented people from having debilitating health issues throughout my
career by simply helping them to become a little bit
more proactive and a little bit more involved in understanding

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mechanisms of creating health issues.

Speaker 7 (06:49):
Well, I mean think it's important to mention that you
know chiropractic, which a lot of people think is simply
fixing the back, and that is initially what you had
as a back injury. But there's a lot more to
chiropractic in terms of how you approach it as a
specialty than just adjusting skeletal alignments.

Speaker 6 (07:08):
Right, So it depends on the philosophy and the politics
of the practitioner. I treat the nervous system by removing
all the reasons for nerve interference that cause health conditions
to prevent them present themselves. And as long as I
remove the cause of the nerve interference, the person recovers,
and I do not simply limit that just to back conditions.

Speaker 7 (07:30):
And I mean there's the structural aspect of what the
chiropractic treatment will do. But when you find out from
the nervous system what the body needs, there may be
as you said, there are thirty two tools that you
use to help somebody back to health.

Speaker 6 (07:44):
Right, So the word chiropractic means the practice of healing
by hand. It's a Greek word, so in many ways
that is accurate as far as the skeletal alignment goes.
But again with the tool send the techniques that I use,
I'm not limited to just the spine, although I do

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work on the spine regularly with my patients, but we
are also addressing their other imbalances using other tools, not
just simply the manipulation of the spine.

Speaker 7 (08:19):
So when you talk about that, I mean, what is
different about being an alternative healthcare practitioner as opposed to
strictly a chiropractor.

Speaker 6 (08:28):
Well, I can tell you that from what I do
as an alternative healthcare professional is I work to help
people restore their health and function without the use of medication,
and they use all the tools and experience and expertise
to do it the most cost effective way possible. It
may sound weird, Mark, but from a healthcare perspective, my

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job is to minimize your health care costs. It's not
to maximize if you go into a hospital or if
you go into a medical doctor's office, their mentality is
is they want to maximize the amount of return they're
going to get from offering advice and interventions, Whereas my
job is to minimize a person's cost and get them

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well and to empower them to stay well. Because you know,
it feels morally and ethically proper for myself to do
the best that I can.

Speaker 1 (09:27):
As quickly as I can to help somebody. I had
a gentleman in.

Speaker 6 (09:31):
My office last evening who had been suffering with vertigo
on and off for several months, but it really crashed
him three days ago, and so his dad carried him
into the office. His mom was beside her self with
grief and upset that her son was never going to

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be healthy again.

Speaker 1 (09:54):
And we did what we needed to do to help him, and.

Speaker 6 (09:59):
He walked out out of the office under his own control.
He didn't need any support, He wasn't having any dizziness anymore.

Speaker 1 (10:07):
His mom was.

Speaker 6 (10:10):
Over the moon with happiness, and she was so gracious
and thanked me probably twenty times on her way out
the door. And I spoke to him probably about ten
minutes ago, and he told me that he was feeling
so much better and he was able to sleep and
his head wasn't spending or anything like that. So it's

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it's just nice to help people and to do it
the right way and to not take advantage of their
mishap by making it an opportunity for maximizing your return
on helping somebody.

Speaker 1 (10:46):
It's, you know, it's do the right thing, you know.

Speaker 7 (10:49):
Yeah, And I would think that, you know that the
structural health of somebody being aligned correctly would facilitate health
and maybe help you sort of narrow down what's going
on with somebody if they're having a problem that may
be beyond just their structural alignment.

Speaker 6 (11:07):
Well, yeah, Skeletal alignment is vital for health because it
allows the nervous system to regulate the function of the
body as close to one hundred percent as possible when
you remove all the nerve interference that's caused by stress
that most people are familiar with and it's the effects
of that stress that it has on the body that

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I'm sure the listener can relate to.

Speaker 7 (11:31):
No. I mean, there's the bones, which you work on
that alignment, but how does that affect some of the
soft tissues that connect you, like the tendons, the ligaments,
and the muscles.

Speaker 6 (11:41):
Well, it all allows the soft tissues to be in
their normal way, their normal functioning, their proper length, which
helps to maintain proper bone alignment and proper joint function.

Speaker 7 (11:53):
And the other thing that you said was that you're
communicating directly with the nervous system. So if you were
to ask somebody question which you could answer out of
your brain, you may not have really know what's going on,
Like you may have some vague feeling but not be
able to identify it. So if you can have that
relationship where you're talking directly to the nervous system, you

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can find out information that maybe I wouldn't be conscious of.

Speaker 6 (12:21):
That's one hundred percent correct. And that's the thing. And
even if you are conscious of it, you may not
understand what it means. And as a result of not
understanding what it means, if you come in and you
know things aren't feeling right, and you know that things
aren't necessarily functioning right, but you don't know exactly.

Speaker 1 (12:38):
Where it's coming from.

Speaker 6 (12:40):
Having a sit down with me and having an evaluation
by me is going to allow us to answer out
all of those questions and get to the relationships within
the body that.

Speaker 1 (12:52):
Are working or not working, and then understanding.

Speaker 7 (12:55):
Why, okay, well, why would there be a problem with
the nerves connect between the brain and the body.

Speaker 6 (13:03):
The consequence of stress. When you get stress in the body,
stress causes tightening of the muscles.

Speaker 1 (13:11):
Those muscles pull on the bones.

Speaker 6 (13:13):
Those bones end up putting pressure on the nerves and
they block normal communication, which keeps the malfunctioning in the muscles,
causing the tightness to continue, causing the more pulling on
the bones, causing more pressure on the nerves. So a
self fulfilling prophecy that stress causes misaligned vertebrae and leading

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to irritation of nerves with a loss of normal function.
So my job is to find where the nerve interference
is occurring, how it's impacting the body, what were the
stimulus that caused it, and then address those stimulis so
that they come back into balance, and then the situation
is remedy.

Speaker 7 (13:51):
So the stimuli can come from a variety of different ways.
I mean, it wouldn't necessarily be a misalignment that's stimulating
the misalignment.

Speaker 6 (14:00):
No, you're gonna get there's four main reasons for why
a body goes out of balance, and that could be
food related, that could be pathogen related. And when we're
talking talking parasites, bacteria, viruses, funguses, we can talk about chemicals,
things like GMOs, medications, BPAs, alcohols, plastics, those sorts of things.

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We can talk about heavy metals, heavy metals. We evaluate
people for thirty different heavy metals when they come in
for their evaluation at my office.

Speaker 1 (14:39):
So you got all these different ways.

Speaker 6 (14:41):
Whether it's food, whether it's pathogens, whether it's chemicals, whether
it's heavy metals, and all of those things can contribute
to stressing out the nervous system in a way that
leads to spinal misalignment.

Speaker 7 (14:52):
Now, if you dig that further and you go into
the area of injuries, I mean, injuries do happen to people?
How do you treat people and how do you deal
with people who have injuries that come to see you.

Speaker 1 (15:06):
Well, when they come to see me.

Speaker 6 (15:07):
My job is to keep things where they're supposed to
be and restore, restore proper alignment where it was before
the injury, to allow the relationship to return the normal
and reinforcing the patterns that are ideal. And so when
a person comes into my office with a misalignment and

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as a result of an injury, let's say they twisted
an ankle, we're not necessarily going to be looking at
the spine to fix that. We're going to be looking
at the ankle itself. And there's one bone that sits
below your tibia or your shin bone, that sits above
your calcaneous or your heel bone. And when you roll
an ankle and develop a sprained ankle, that bone is

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going to subtly move out of its normal position. And
as long as it's out of its normal alignment, that
ankle is going to have difficulty healing properly. And so
you're always going to have some level of swelling in
the ankle until you put the bone back where it belongs.

Speaker 1 (16:06):
And it's not difficult to put the bone back.

Speaker 6 (16:09):
But it fascinates me how many practitioners, even chiropractic practitioners,
who don't understand the relationships anatomically as far as the
skeleton goes, and the proper alignment within all the muscles, joints,
and tendons, and what it takes to restore balance when
a person has some level of symptom or some level

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of discomfort.

Speaker 7 (16:32):
So are there are types of injuries that you treat
and types of injuries that you may not treat.

Speaker 6 (16:40):
Realistically, if somebody tears a ligament and they're going to
need to be put in some kind of cast in
order for that to recover, I can still help them.
I can give them the proper nutrition that they need
in order for their ligaments to heal. And then once
they're out of there cast, and once their ligaments have

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healed enough, then they want to come in and talk
to me so that I can help them understand what
created the problem and what they can do to maintain
the integrity so that that problem doesn't become a chronic problem.
When I was going through the end of high school
and through college, I had an issue where I was

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chronically twisting both of my ankles and nothing that I
went through by going through to hospital and getting a
soft cast put on and using crutches and doing all
this and then doing rehab after that, nothing helped me
to understand the relationship between my ankle joints and the

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upper part of the rib cage where your first rib,
and how that articulates with your spine and how it
articulates with your sternum.

Speaker 1 (17:54):
And it wasn't until I went to a seminar where.

Speaker 6 (17:58):
I learned those relationships and the importance of maintaining balance
within that relationship that ultimately stops me from twisting my
ankles never again.

Speaker 7 (18:09):
It's so fascinating that it can be something as distal
as as your ribcas affecting your ankles. This is a
great conversation, Doug greg We need to take a short
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Speaker 1 (19:15):
Do you see a.

Speaker 7 (19:15):
Lot of sports injuries in your practice?

Speaker 1 (19:20):
I do, as far as.

Speaker 6 (19:22):
Athletes that choose to understand the methods that I use
and them wanting to go to the next level within
their performance. There are lots of quote sports medicine practitioners
that are out there. They tend to get most of
the athletes. Again, the guy that influenced me to go

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to chiropractic school, all the top five male and female
Ironman triathletes, they were all his patients and he helped,
through his methods, educate them and help them improve their
performance to where The guy that won the iron Man

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triathlon five years in a row.

Speaker 1 (20:06):
I believe the gentleman's name was Mike Pigg he took him.

Speaker 6 (20:11):
Initially, he was a four hour marathoner, and through doctor
Mapatone's methods, he got him down to being a two
and a half hour marathoner in addition to swimming the
distance and cycling the one hundred miles at the end
and all that. And so it's you know, it's when

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you find an athlete that's truly motivated about the window
of opportunity they have to create the highest peak performance
that they can possibly take. When you understand what I
do and how that helps to enhance somebody's physical performance,
athletes would benefit tremendously by having some of the insights
that I've experienced in my career. And I've had athletes

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throughout the times that I've been in practice over thirty
five years, and they're always fun to work with because
they're highly motivated, they listen very well, they follow directions,
and they get the improved results as an outcome.

Speaker 1 (21:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (21:12):
No, And when you're recovering from injuries, one of the
things that may happen, I mean, you mentioned sprained ankles
that can be enduring. One of the things that can
happen within an injury is you may have scars that
last and adhesions in the muscles and tendons in fashia.
What can you do to help somebody recover.

Speaker 6 (21:32):
From that, Well, we can treat the emotion that's in
the scar, which is what creates the scar to begin with.
It's trapped emotion in the injury, and once addressed fully,
the tissue can regain their normal function and orientations. Scarring disappears,
and old injuries can resolve fully as a result.

Speaker 7 (21:50):
Now you mentioned somebody having a cast on and helping
them recover, You're not able to fix somebody that comes
in with a broken bone.

Speaker 6 (22:00):
As far as my licensing goes, that is not something
that we're supposed to treat. We're supposed to refer that
out to an orthopedist who's going to set the bone
in whatever particular way. I do have a story of
a woman who had been in a car accident and
she had a acceleration deceleration injury, which is a fancy

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term for whiplash, and in the course of her whiplash injury,
her first cervical vertebrae, which is essentially shaped like an o,
which holds the skull to the spine, her posterior arch
had a break in it that was I don't know,
probably between an eighth and a quarter of an inch.

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The two bones were that far apart, far okay, and
the orthopedist had told her just leave it alone and
it will eventually grow back, and I was trying to
think logically how that was going to happen, and because
if there was nothing keeping the two bones in proximity
to each other, there was nothing that was going to
cause the gap to be bridged. So I told her

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that this is what I thought needed to be done,
and she was just like, well, where do I go
to get that done? And I was like, well, I
can do it for you. It's going to be painful.
You're not going to like it, but your bone will
heal after we do what we need to do, and
if you give me permission, I'm happy to do it
for you. And so she sat with her fiance for
about ten minutes. They came they opened the door to

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let me back into the treatment room and she was like, okay,
I'm going to go for it, and I was like, okay,
just understand that this is.

Speaker 1 (23:41):
Probably going to be painful.

Speaker 6 (23:43):
So she laid down on the table and I made
the adjustment and she sat up and she had some
pretty choice words, using a bunch of m's and f's,
and it was you know. But we then sent her
for an x ray, and when she went and had
the x ray, there was no evidence of a fracture

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because I had put the posterior arch of her atlas
back where it was supposed to be in the put
the two ends back so that they were together. And
then when she went back to Orthopedis a couple of
weeks later, he was like, there's no evidence of a fracture. See,
I told you it would grow back together all on
its own.

Speaker 7 (24:23):
That seems to be happening. What about stress fractures where
you don't have a separation.

Speaker 6 (24:30):
The bone, I can tell you that that's definitely a
nutritional deficiency, specifically in the area of higher stress due
to your physical activity. So let's say you're running and
you get stress fractures in your tibia, which is your
shin bone, or something along those lines. I can tell
you that you don't have enough proper nutrition to help

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maintain the integrity of the bone. So we would offer
nutritional protocols specifically to build the bone, to strengthen the bone,
and to build the connective tissue that makes up the
lattice within the bone to allow more bone tissue to
form within the bone, thereby increasing the strength and integrity
of the bone.

Speaker 7 (25:10):
So that's a nutritional way of approaching.

Speaker 6 (25:13):
Yeah, if you have a stress fracture, I can tell
you that that's going to be involved in the reason
why you have a stress fracture.

Speaker 7 (25:20):
Yeah, you bull shouldn't just crack on their own in
the we're talking about the sprained angle. What is the
difference between a sprain and a strain.

Speaker 6 (25:28):
A strain is an injury to a muscle or tendon
which connects the muscle to the bone. It's usually due
to an overuse force or overstretching. Now, a sprain is
an injury to alignment which connects bone two bone.

Speaker 1 (25:44):
At the joint.

Speaker 6 (25:45):
This usually occurs due to twisting or wrenching type injuries, and.

Speaker 7 (25:49):
Those are typically ligaments to get injured.

Speaker 6 (25:52):
Yes, ligaments get injured, and you know it's the bone
on bone or the bone to bone at the joint,
which is what creates the sprain.

Speaker 1 (26:03):
M H.

Speaker 7 (26:04):
Now, why is it that broken bones tend to heal
faster than a sprain where you have a ligament tear
or something like that.

Speaker 6 (26:12):
Well, bones can be set and are stationary by nature.
Sprains involve movement and require more specific.

Speaker 1 (26:18):
Nutrition to heal.

Speaker 6 (26:20):
Without that piece of understanding, the healing of a sprain
may take months or more, whereas the bone is going
to heal typically between eight and twelve weeks.

Speaker 7 (26:31):
Now I've heard of tendinitis. What is tendinitis and another
thing called tendonosis? Is it both affecting the tendons, But
what is the difference between those things.

Speaker 6 (26:40):
Well, tendinitis is inflammation of the tendon, usually due to
the effects of overuse without proper nutrition to meet the
demands of that overuse, so the tendon gets inflamed. Tendinosis
is a chronic tendon condition caused by degeneration of collagen
in the tendon due to overuse, resulting in pain, stiffness,
potential weakness that would happen over time. And so again

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that's a nutritional issue as well. It's a different type
of formulation in order to replace the nutrition. But both
tendinitis and tendinosis can be helped tremendously with nutrition. But
you're also going to need to do a little bit
of resting as well.

Speaker 7 (27:22):
Are those different than arthritis in arthritic.

Speaker 6 (27:25):
Condition, Yes, arthritis is inflammation of a joint, and that
too can be nutritional. It's also involves the liver because
the liver is in charge of all the joints, also
the muscles and the tendons.

Speaker 1 (27:41):
But arthritis is too much garbage in your liver and
not enough proper nutrition for the liver.

Speaker 6 (27:51):
And so when you replenish the liver with the proper nutrition,
then the storage sites for the stress that the liver
deals with, which are the muscles, joints, and tendons, is
going to help the joints to start functioning better.

Speaker 7 (28:04):
Okay, Now, in your practice, if somebody comes in with
an injury and you want to know specifically what's going
on with it, how do you diagnose the specifics of
an injury?

Speaker 6 (28:16):
Well, using many different queries of the body. As compared
to all thirty two different techniques I use and appreciate
that I do not focus on the diagnosis. I focus
on eliminating the causal relationship within the imbalance that the
person has, and the name of the condition becomes irrelevant.
So it's more about understanding what's going into why they

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have their problem, not simply just trying to put a
name on what their problem is.

Speaker 7 (28:43):
Now, at the moment that you say sprained that ankle,
when do you want to use heat and when do
you want to use eyes for that type of injury.

Speaker 6 (28:53):
Ice is used in an acute injury for the initial
forty eight to seventy two hours after the injury. Heat
is used for tightness and increasing circulation after the initial
cute phase is over. So if you have tightness and
a muscle, you can use heat to get the muscles
to relax by increasing the blood to the area. If
you have an acute injury, the last thing you want

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to do is bring more blood to the area because
that just increases the swelling.

Speaker 7 (29:19):
Ah. That must be part of the answer for why
you would use compression after an injury.

Speaker 6 (29:25):
Like Yeah, compression helps so keeping the proper alignment within
the joint while healing begins.

Speaker 1 (29:30):
To take place.

Speaker 6 (29:31):
And just appreciate that when you injure a joint and
it swells, that's God and your body creating its own
caste mechanism to help prevent the joint from moving so
that it has an opportunity it kind of arrests the
motion of the joint to allow the nutrition to come

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into the area to help repair the joint or injury.

Speaker 7 (29:58):
Typically, you get an injury like that, you're in pain.
When would it be appropriate to use a pain reliever
or an anti inflammatory?

Speaker 6 (30:06):
Well, that's a personal choice for the injured party. Pain
and inflammation are the natural response of an injury, and
supporting the complete and full recovery with proper nutrition is
vital for the healing to take place. If you take
an anti inflammatory and you're trying to get rid of
the inflammation while the inflammation is serving the role of

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tightening up the joint to allow for healing to take place,
then you may be getting in the way and creating
a more chronic, long term issue by trying to get
the inflammation out before the body is ready to stop
producing inflammation.

Speaker 7 (30:46):
So there may be times where it would actually be
less appropriate to use something like that.

Speaker 6 (30:50):
Yeah, and having the understanding and being able to ask
the body directly, is it important to get rid of
the inflammation or is it important to allow the inflammation
to run it natural course?

Speaker 7 (31:04):
What about what is the role that rest plays in
the recovery from an accident like that or an injury like.

Speaker 1 (31:09):
That rest is vital.

Speaker 6 (31:12):
It's the first part of the therapy to help an
injury heal. It's coal rice therapy. The acronym being r
ce R is for rest, I is for ice, C
is for compression, and E is for elevation. As the
initial forty eight to seventy two hours after an injury,
that's when you want to apply the rice therapy.

Speaker 7 (31:35):
And when does it appropriate to get back to activity.

Speaker 6 (31:38):
That depends on the severity of the injury after the
initial seventy two hours. Depending about in the severity, starting
light rehab is important. An increase in activity depends on
progress being made. You know, from my own injuries, the
worst strained sprain that I ever had in my ankle
that they confirmed that my ankle wasn't broken. They put

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me through a very painful process in order to determine that,
which I was not happy with, and I threatened the doctor,
and the doctor never came back in the room after that,
but the physician's assistant wrapped my ankle, gave me crutches,
and sent me on my way. And you know, I
called my dad, and my dad has always been somewhat

(32:26):
of a control freak, trying to understand and trying to
solve problems, and that's probably where I got most of
my passion from. So he was talking to the doctors
and he was talking to anybody that he could talk
to about the recovery process because I was out in
Ohio and he was in New York and there was
no way for him to come out and see for himself.
So after about four or five days of me being

(32:48):
on crutches and having to crutch around the campus that
I lived on and going up hills and downhills and
crossing train tracks and all of that using my crutches,
he called me one night and he asked me how
I was, and I said, well, my ankle is still swollen.

Speaker 1 (33:04):
You know.

Speaker 6 (33:04):
It's a bunch of purples and blues and various colors
around the ankle and around my toes. And he's like, well,
that's normal, he says, have you tried to stand on it?
I said no, I haven't. He said, well, what if
you tried to stand on it now? And so I
did it while he was on the phone, and so
he just kept encouraging me to progress from there. He

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was just like, you know, you can still use your crutches.
As a support mechanism, but you should probably start walking
on it as soon as you can.

Speaker 1 (33:33):
And so he was.

Speaker 6 (33:35):
It was almost like he was behind me, pushing me
to get out of my own way and just you know,
allow it to go the way that it was going
to go. And looking back on it now, I probably
used it activity wise sooner than I should have, because ay,
at the time, I didn't know about the nutritional component.

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And two without having the proper nutritional component, and seeing
the severity of the swelling and the inflammation and the
bruising that I had, there was a lot of damage
and wear and tear going on in there, and it
would have been nice that I'd taken a little bit longer.
So now you know, I can walk on the sides

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of my feet because I don't have any ligaments holding
my ankle together.

Speaker 1 (34:25):
It's all muscular as far as that goes.

Speaker 6 (34:29):
And you know, I maintain the integrity of all my muscles,
and I maintain proper alignment, and I do a good
job of maintaining my own health. I haven't had any issues,
but I know that I don't have any ligaments on
the outside of either my right or left ankle.

Speaker 7 (34:46):
So the steps of coming back from an injury can
be varied and a lot of components that go into it.

Speaker 6 (34:53):
From me, yeah, and you you want to go through
things properly. I mean, it is your body, it's the
only one you get. You don't want to be grown
and becoming one of those people that needs to have
joint replacement.

Speaker 1 (35:04):
Surgeries and all of that. They're happy to offer it
to you.

Speaker 6 (35:08):
There are plenty of doctors that will say, well, your
joint isn't bad enough, come back when it gets worse,
instead of giving them advice in terms of how to
keep it from getting worse. You know, it's exciting for
a doctor to do a hip replacement. It's exciting for
a doctor to do a knee replacement. The audience that's listening.
If you're going to have a knee replacement and they're

(35:28):
talking about a partial knee replacement for you, tell them you.

Speaker 1 (35:31):
Don't want a partial replacement. You want a full replacement.

Speaker 6 (35:35):
Because if they're they do a partial replacement, you're going
to have to go in one to five years later
to have a full knee replacement. So you might as
well just have it done right the first time instead
of having to do it twice, and they may not
give you that advice because that's an opportunity. You know,
it's an opportunity for them to make twice as much money,
and it's an opportunity for them to.

Speaker 1 (35:56):
Delay you having a normal.

Speaker 6 (35:59):
Life because you got to go through the procedure twice.
So my suggestion would be, if you're going to have it,
if you're at the point where they suggest that you
need to have knee replacement, just have the whole knee replaced,
not a partial knee replacement.

Speaker 7 (36:12):
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Speaker 7 (37:11):
Well, now that we're injuring this last segment of our show,
I wanted to say, before you have an injury, how
important is it to warm up and cool down to
prevent yourself from getting injured in the first place.

Speaker 6 (37:24):
Well, it's very, very important to understand that warming up
is vital for preventing injuries, and cooling down is equally
as vital for preventing injuries. You don't want to use
a muscle when it's cold, so you want to gradually
warm up to get more blood into the muscles that
you intend to use. After you've warmed up, if there's

(37:47):
still some tightness in there, you can do some light stretching.
I would ask for you to stretch to the level
that you're going to use the muscle at You're not
going to use the muscle in you know, there's there's
certain stretches that we're all familiar with. There's one that's
called a hurdler stretched, where you got your legs straight
out in front of you and you're bending over while

(38:08):
you got your other leg bent behind you, kind of
thing like you're going over a hurdle.

Speaker 1 (38:15):
If the physical activity that you're going to do in your.

Speaker 6 (38:20):
Sport or whatever it is that you're participating in doesn't
require you to be in that particular position, there's no
point in stretching the muscle and making an extra long
because there's nothing in the activity that you're going to
be doing that requires the muscle to be that long.
It's interesting when I used to have season tickets for
the New Jersey Nets, and I went and met my

(38:42):
ticket broker who brought me down to the floor when
the Lakers were in town, and I got to fetch
a ball and pass it over to Rick Fox, who
hit a three pointer while he was warming up, And
my buddy was like, look, you got the assist on
that three pointer. But we were watching somebody from Nets
who wasn't he was part of the practice squad. He

(39:03):
wasn't even part of the normal team that gets out
on the floor and gets into the game, and his
therapist was stretching him in a way.

Speaker 1 (39:14):
Where there's no.

Speaker 6 (39:15):
Physical activity that exists in any sport where he would
be in that particular position, and the therapist was stretching
him in that position anyway. And so I said to
my ticket broker, I said, you see so and so
over there on the floor. I'm like, yeah, I said,
at what point during the game is he going to
be in that position? And he says to me, he says, oh,

(39:37):
he doesn't ever get in the game. I said, no,
I understand that he's part of the practice squad, but
at the end of the day, the therapist is stretching
him into a position he will never be in. If
he goes to try to use that muscle, he's actually
created a stretch weakness. And the stretch weakness overstretching your
muscle is what ultimately causes it to have an injury

(39:59):
and create tears and create these kind of pulled muscles
and that kind of stuff. So warming up the muscle
properly then doing some light stretching is vital before you
start your physical activity. And then when you're done with
your physical activity, all the blood is pulled in your muscles.
You want to do a cool down to help the

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muscle start to begin to recover, and each one of
those can be as long as you know, ten twelve minutes.

Speaker 7 (40:29):
Well, you know what you said just sort of makes
me wonder. Let's say somebody who hasn't been exercising for
a while more than warm up, how do you actually
start an exercise program and avoid injury.

Speaker 6 (40:41):
Well, you would want to start by doing some walking,
just the simple activity of walking. You want to get
your arms involved so that they're swinging the way that
they're supposed to swing.

Speaker 1 (40:51):
When you walk.

Speaker 6 (40:52):
You can do a little bit of an exaggerated motion
when you're walking, and when you can go for a
walk for twenty to thirty minutes, Okay, once you're comfortable
doing that. If you're just starting out an exercise routine
and you haven't done any exercise for I don't know,
twenty thirty years, or maybe no exercise at all, and
you want to start for whatever reason, congratulations, you're going

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to start good.

Speaker 1 (41:16):
You want to do it in a way that's not going.

Speaker 6 (41:18):
To set yourself up for injury, which is going to
interfere with you taking advantage of the motivation that you have.
So walking is a great activity. Once you've walked and
you're able to walk consistently for twenty minutes, then maybe
you can start a light jog. You can do some
walking in some jogging, you know, jog for one hundred yards,

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walk for one hundred yards, jog for one hundred yards.

Speaker 1 (41:42):
Walk for one hundred yards.

Speaker 6 (41:43):
When you're comfortable doing that, then you can increase the
distance in which you're jogging, and then the distance in
which you're recovering, and then you'll eventually get to a
place where you can do a light jog like I said,
for twenty minutes or so, with a good ten to
twelve minute warm up and a good ten to twelve
minute cool down. So now you're already looking at forty

(42:05):
to forty five minutes. Okay, but you don't want to
try to start doing that unless you have muscle memory
that would allow you just to activate that muscle memory.

Speaker 7 (42:17):
Now, if you're let's say you've been injured, what are
some of the steps that you want to take coming
back from an injury?

Speaker 6 (42:27):
You want to ease back into it, and it depends
on the nature of the injury, the severity, and the
application of the appropriate care and time is important too.
So when coming back from an injury, let's say it's
a shoulder injury, you want to make sure that you
do your rehab fully. I mean, one of my neighbors

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hurt his shoulder, and you know, I watch him out
in my cul de Sac doing underhand throws to his
son with a football, and I'm like, what's going on
with your shoulder?

Speaker 1 (42:59):
And he's like, I heard it, this, that and the
other thing. So I said, well, this is what.

Speaker 6 (43:02):
You want to do in order to regain the strength
within your shoulders so that you can throw like a man.
And like, you know, somebody who doesn't have shoulder works working.
And so I've watched him over the last couple of months,
and initially he was resistant to what I had suggested
as advice. But every time I would see him out
there with his son, which is pretty much every day

(43:24):
i'd come home from work, I would just keep asking
and keep asking and keep asking. Finally he told me
that he started doing the exercises that I asked him
to do, and now he's made tremendous progress and now
he can throw overhand like.

Speaker 1 (43:38):
He should be able to throw.

Speaker 6 (43:40):
So it just depends on your application, depends upon your motivation.
And you know, it's like when I had my ankle
problems when I was in college. Initially it was painful
to try to use it in a normal fashion again,
but you got to work through that, and you want
to get the advice in terms of way us the
appropriate rate to rehabilitate it. But the thing that's probably

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most important is making sure you have the right nutritional
ingredients to give the body the excess nutrition that it's
going to need to repair and replace and rebuild and
strengthen wherever you have your injuries, so that you don't
end up having a chronic injury.

Speaker 7 (44:19):
Yeah, and speaking of chronic injuries, what about repetitive stress injuries?
How do those differ or how are they alike. Let's
say a sports injury or something along those lines.

Speaker 6 (44:29):
Well, repetitive stress, it's just if you keep doing the
same activity all the time and you don't have the
nutrition in order to repair the wear and tear that's
being forced onto the part of the body that's being stressed.
Over time, it's going to develop a weakness and you
could potentially get an injury and inflammation associated with that.

Speaker 1 (44:53):
Repetitive stress.

Speaker 6 (44:54):
So I can't emphasize enough the importance of nutrition as
far as preventing injury, as far as helping injuries repair
and recover, and as far as preventing injuries going forward.
Is nutrition is the biggest factor.

Speaker 7 (45:11):
Now, the other factor that affects people when they've had
an injury is pain. So how do you gauge when
pain indicates that there's been some improvement or whether you're
actually pushing yourself towards further harm.

Speaker 6 (45:24):
Well, if the activity that you're doing causes pain, then
you're not ready to do the.

Speaker 1 (45:29):
Activity, So it should be pain free.

Speaker 6 (45:33):
You should be able to do it and have it
not be sharp, specific pointed pain. That indicates that you
still have an injury that can't tolerate the activity that
you're doing.

Speaker 1 (45:46):
If you're able to do the activity and then.

Speaker 6 (45:48):
You have some soreness afterwards, that's probably that you use
the muscle and the muscles having difficulty adapting to it
was able to accommodate you doing it.

Speaker 1 (45:59):
But you should never move into pain.

Speaker 6 (46:01):
You should always go up to the point of pain
and never exceed that.

Speaker 7 (46:05):
M Now, what about natural ways to manage your pain?

Speaker 6 (46:10):
Well, there's lots of things that you can do to
manage pain. One of the things that I came across
in all my trials and tribulations and learning different techniques
is there's a wonderful technique called neurologic or relief centers technique,
and it's a technique that when applied appropriately under the
appropriate circumstances as the patient. I've taken people with chronic

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pain and ended their pain within one session, and so
it just depends on what the person's circumstances are, what
the history is, and what their you know, pain tolerance is,
and how they perceive their pain. But there's things that
can be done. Obviously, we talked about ice. When you

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have an acute injury and there's pain, want to use
the ice until the pain starts to abate. You can
do twenty five minutes on, forty five minutes off. I'm sorry,
thirty five minutes off every hour until the pain is abated.
It helps with the recovery, et cetera. But if pain persists,

(47:19):
you need to have that professionally evaluated.

Speaker 7 (47:24):
Now, if you're treating somebody, somebody comes into you and
then you're getting that professional evaluation, what are the modalities
that you would approach somebody that has an injury.

Speaker 6 (47:37):
Again, that's going to depend upon the nature of the injury.
My job is to figure out what's actually going on
within the body. What are the components that go into
the injury itself or into the dysfunction itself. If they
have a nutritional deficiency, which nine times out of ten,
they will supporting them with a proper ingredient so that

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part of the body can heal. We may do some massage,
we may do some manipulation, we may do some other
modalities that I have in the office. It just depends
upon the specifics of the person who's standing in front
of me and helping to assess what the circumstances are,
what the components are they go into their injury or

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their dysfunction, and then what we have to do.

Speaker 1 (48:26):
To support it to go back to normal.

Speaker 7 (48:27):
Now, in terms of nutrition, I know that different types
of athletes will use what they call carb loading. Is
this ever the right thing to do well?

Speaker 6 (48:36):
It depends if you're gonna go out and do a
long activity like running a marathon or cycling for one
hundred miles or something along those lines, where you're going
to need the reserves that your body's going to require
in order to do the physical activity for that length
of time. Then you can do some carb loading the

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night before, and what that's gonna do is that's going
to create excess glycogen that gets stored into the muscles,
so that as the activity goes on, then you can
activate those glycogen stores for fuel for the muscles as
the muscles continue to perform. If you're a well trained
athlete and you're working out let's say a long cycling event,

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or a long running event, or even a long hiking event,
then what you want to do is you want to
have the types of nutrition that you need in order
to sustain the body over longer periods of time. And
that's where you want to have nutrition that's higher in
fat and lower in sugar, because the fat is what

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creates nine calories per gram of energy, whereas carbohydrates create
four grams of calories per energy. So you're getting two
and a quarter times more energy by burning fat. But
that requires you to be doing the activity aerobically as
opposed to doing the activity aerobically. Anaerobically uses sugar for

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fuel and is two one hundred and twenty five percent
less efficient than using fat.

Speaker 1 (50:09):
For fuel, which is aerobic activity. So if you're going to.

Speaker 6 (50:13):
Do a long drawn out exercise program, like let's say
you're going to go run a marathon, or let's say
you're going to ride your bike for fifty to one
hundred miles, you want to try to do it in
a way where you're burning fat for fuel so that
you're getting that much more efficiency out of the body, right.

Speaker 7 (50:29):
I mean, it's well along with that, you have different
types of exercise, So are some forms of exercise better
than others?

Speaker 6 (50:37):
Well, any kind of aerobic activity which is running, which
is cycling, which is swimming, which is an elliptical, which
could be using the rowing machine, or even being out
on a lake and doing a.

Speaker 1 (50:49):
Lot of rowing.

Speaker 6 (50:51):
That those is where you're doing the same activity over
and over and over again. You get your heart rate
up to a specific level that is the aerobic level
for you based upon your fitness, and then what you're
doing is you're increasing your health. You're increasing your body's
ability to perform the physical activity which is known as fitness.

(51:11):
You're burning fat for fuel, and you're maintaining balance within
the body. If you're doing anaerobic activity, which could be
like lifting weights or sprinting, or activities where you're running
up and down like basketball or something like that. You're
not sustaining the activity, there's starting and stopping. That's anaerobic. Okay,

(51:34):
You're going to use sugar for those activities as the
primary fuel, and there's more of a likelihood for you
to get an injury doing anaerobic activity versus doing aerobic.
Aerobic is going to be what you mentioned before, the
potentially the stress and the kinds of situations that happen

(51:56):
due to overuse, okay, Whereas if you're doing uh, lifting
weights or doing something that's anaerobic, uh, then you're going
to get more of the acute type injuries due to.

Speaker 1 (52:09):
The high impact that's involved with those types of activities. Yeah.

Speaker 7 (52:13):
Well, once again, that's a fascinating conversation because you know,
there are so many variations and things to consider when
you're looking at either starting an exercise program or continuing
or recovering from an injury or dealing with with something
like that, whether it's a repetitive injury or sprain, or
even recovering from a broken bone. If there's somebody out

(52:35):
there that's listening to our show and is interested in
getting your point of view on things and to consult
with you to see if you would be the right
person to help them recover. What are the best ways
to reach out to you?

Speaker 6 (52:47):
Best way would be to call my cell phone directly
in area code eight four five five six one two
two two five again eight four five five six one
two two two five. That is my personal cell. I'll
be the one answering the phone. If I don't answer
the phone, please leave a message. I will get back
to you at my earliest convenience. So many people are

(53:08):
involved in texting. I'm not a text person. It doesn't
mean you can't leave me a text, but I may
not see it, I may not respond as quickly.

Speaker 1 (53:17):
A phone call would be so much better.

Speaker 6 (53:19):
You can email me directly at doc RICKDC Riick at
spineboy dot com.

Speaker 1 (53:25):
Doc Rick at spineboy dot com.

Speaker 6 (53:28):
Or you can stop into the office at one point
thirty eight Canal Street in Pooler Park that is in Pular, Georgia.
We're in sweet four zero four of building four hundred.
Any way that you get a hold of me, I'm
happy to talk to you. I'm happy to advise you.
I'll probably do a brief evaluation just to get an
understanding of what you're dealing with. But at the end
of the day, don't sit home and suffer. Let's help

(53:50):
you get back into the game of life and let's
help it be as productive as possible. And so yeah,
I appreciate you tuning in this week. Get a tune
back in next week, same health time, same health station.
This is doctor Richard on tune from Advanced Alternative Medicine Center, saying,
I'll look forward to supporting you when your health matters.

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