Episode 149: Faith

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:04):
Be my physician.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
He said, you're definitely ill. Sands to the nurse. I've
seen worse than the doctor.

Speaker 3 (00:09):
Just gave me a pill.

Speaker 1 (00:11):
Take one of those three times today. You don't never.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
Stop on till you're really dead er all with better
keep out of the region children. The thing is that
might be some side effects, you mean the probably will well.
Limits of fact, you can't come and I'll give you
one out of the film.

Speaker 4 (00:26):
On top of that, on top of that, on top
of that, on top of that, on top of that,
on top.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
Of that, and many showed me his bill.

Speaker 3 (00:34):
I popped another pill.

Speaker 5 (00:36):
Welcome to When Your Health Matters. Your host is doctor
Richard Huntoon of Advanced Alternative Medicine Center located right here
in Pool of Georgia. Doctor Hantoon has been practicing alternative health,
utilizing chiropractic and many other health techniques for the past
twenty seven years to support you when your health matters.
It's his intention to offer practical advice every week for

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Speaker 6 (01:23):
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Speaker 3 (01:27):
Welcome to this week's show, When Your Health Matters, the
show designed to empower you to better health through knowledge
and education. And I'm your host, doctor Richard Untun from
Advanced Alternative Medicine Center. And here's my partner for the show,
your health advocate, Mark Say.

Speaker 1 (01:41):
To be back with you, Doc and to have another conversation.
I wanted to turn our attention today to some of
the other dimensions that go into healing, because healing isn't
always just the physical part of it, but there's a
lot more to what is involved in trying to heal
somebody or trying to heal yourself. And so I wanted
to get an overview of what your approach to helping

(02:04):
someone who is facing some kind of a health challenge.

Speaker 3 (02:09):
Okay, well, the simple answer to that is Number one
is I want to help them feel heard. You know,
sometimes people don't want to listen to what somebody scott
going on with them because they always have something going
on with them, or they got too much going on
themselves that they don't have time to listen to somebody
else's problems or situations. So when somebody comes to me

(02:29):
for help, especially if they have a health challenge, I
want to first listen to what it is that's going
on with them. I want them to feel heard, to
feel that they can share what's going on in their
life and what's going on with their circumstances so that
I can help them. Then I want to evaluate their
concern and I want to finish off by showing them

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a solution to their problem and finally giving them a
sense of hope that their problem isn't something that they're
going to be burdened with for the rest of their life.

Speaker 1 (03:00):
Well that's a I mean, that's a pretty comprehensive start.
And in that regard, what is the healing that can
take place for somebody that comes to see you.

Speaker 3 (03:11):
Well, Healing means to return to balance. It's the process
of becoming sound and healthy again. And so when we
make a person whole, make them more of themselves, make
them return to their original self, and helping them to
let go of and shed the things that they've picked up,

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whether their thought forms, whether they're beliefs, whether they're you know,
other people's opinions or taking on the news cycle, or
whatever the case happens to be. None of us are
any of those things. We're humans that are beings, and

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so I just want to help a person back to
being their authentic self.

Speaker 1 (03:58):
So every thing that you described there, which is about
as you said about being and being a human being,
is that different than like somebody wants to come in
for a cure. I mean, if I have a health problem,
I'd really like to be cured of whatever's ailing me.

Speaker 3 (04:17):
Well, Curing is something that you do to meet Healing
is restoring balance and harmony. In healthcare, you can never
offer a cure, as everything is considered a temporary state
and in many of those who refuse to change problems
do end up coming back. So the word cure has
been essentially outlawed in the healthcare industry. You're not allowed

(04:40):
to offer people cures. So my job is with every
human being that I come in contact with, is to
try to create balance and harmony and restore that balance
that's inherent in their spirit by helping them shed the
attachments to things that aren't really part of their spirit.

Speaker 1 (05:03):
So it seems like there's some kind of a differentiation
between the term healing and the term health. How do
those two terms relate?

Speaker 3 (05:15):
Well, Health is a state of optimum physical, mental, social,
and spiritual wellbeing and not merely the absence of disease, sickness,
or infirmity. Okay, Healing is the return to health.

Speaker 1 (05:27):
Aha, So it actually has to do with the journey back.

Speaker 3 (05:31):
It's the journey back to being optimum physically, mentally, socially,
and spiritually.

Speaker 1 (05:38):
And sometimes I mean certain kinds of things that you
may have. You may never completely recover from the condition
that you have. Healing may be part of that wholeness,
may be incorporating whatever's going on with you into the
wholeness of who you are.

Speaker 3 (05:52):
Yeah. For instance, you can have some kind of scarring.
You can have a physical scar, like something that happens
on your skin and doesn't fully heal, and there's a
scar that's an indication of the trauma that went on there.
And realistically, a scar is the emotional components that's wrapped
up in that trauma that doesn't allow the skin to

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go back to its original form. So anybody that has
a scars, there's a trapped emotion within that part of
their tissue that's hindering its ability to return back to wholeness.
But when a person has a life altering circumstance that

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changes who they are physically, I don't know that they're
going to recover how they were in the past. If
you break a bone, the bone will heal and it'll
be just as good as new, assuming that you feed
the body what it needs in order to do that.
I have a woman patient who's in her mid to

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late sixties and she hurt, she blew up her knee, etc.
And the orthopedists were just like, oh, it's going to
take a really really long time to heal this, that
and the other thing. So I gave her some whole
food supplements and she started taking them, and she went
back and they took another X ray and they were
absolutely blown away by how fast she was healing, even

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at her stage in life. And again, it just has
to do with having enough of the right resources, and
so the body is always looking to maintain balance and
maintain harmony, and it's always adapting to the circumstances of
the environment that it's in. And so if you have
enough resources, then your body doesn't have any need for anything,

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so it just comes along nicely. But when the body
has to perceive deficiency in something, whether it's a mental
or emotional deficiency, whether it's a chemical deficiency, physical deficiency,
or even a spiritual deficiency, then the body is going
to express that level of life acking and that level

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of imbalance in some sort of way to get your
attention consciously, to take a look at the circumstances and
then to solve the circumstances fully to the best of
your ability. And that's what healing is.

Speaker 1 (08:17):
Then how does that healing actually happen? I mean, you
describe this woman who had much more accelerated healing from
this knee injury than the doctors expected. So obviously healing
doesn't necessarily transpire the same way for everybody in every situation. No.

Speaker 3 (08:35):
Well, again, if you have the resources necessary for your
body to do the job, then it's going to do
the job in the most efficient, complete, fastest way possible.
Whereas if you don't have the resources, which is typically
why the person had the injury to begin with. There
was a weakness in an area due to the fact
that they don't have enough resources to strengthen that area

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and maintain the integrity of the area. So when a
person develops a nutritional deficiency, something's going to break along
the lines associated with that deficiency. And so all health problems,
all of them. I can't emphasize that enough. Alll all
health problems are nutritional deficiencies. And when you give the

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body what it needs to satisfy what the body requires
in order to maintain itself at its highest level of
function possible, then health problems don't happen. But when you
are deficient, you are going to develop a consequence of
that deficiency, and it's going to manifest in the specific
manner that your body warrants it manifesting based upon how

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you do your life from a mental emotional standpoint, from
what it is that you're taking into the body, how
you conduct yourself, and how the stresses that you incur
impact your body's ability to manage that stress.

Speaker 1 (10:00):
So how much of the healing process actually requires an intervention?
Because if I don't have all the resources that I need.
I don't necessarily know what those resources might be that I'm.

Speaker 3 (10:11):
Lacking, which would be the whole reason to come to
somebody such as myself who has a well rounded approach
to understanding and being able to ascertain whether you are
suffering from deficiencies. And based upon the statement that I
just said a couple minutes ago, all health issues are
nutritional deficiency diseases. So finding out what ingredients your body

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is deficient in that it's expressing itself through the symptoms
that you're experiencing. My job and my expertise is to
understand the relationships, understand the cause and effect, and to
address the cause so that the body can eliminate the effect.

Speaker 1 (10:53):
Well, how much of this whole process actually involves having faith,
either faith in you or faith in the process of healing?
What does that mean?

Speaker 3 (11:03):
All of it involves faith if you want to be
honest about it, Okay, because what is the definition of faith.

Speaker 1 (11:12):
Well, to believe in something outside yourself.

Speaker 3 (11:15):
Right, to believe in something that you can't tangentially put
your hands on. Okay, it's believing in the unseen. Okay.
We don't necessarily know how when a sperm and an
egg come together and combine into a single cell. How
that starts to replicate into the eighty quadrillion cells that
you ultimately end up having as an adult. It happens

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when we get a cut. What happens. If there's no
emotion trapped in the injury, then it's just going to
heal as good as new. And as I mentioned before,
if there is emotion trapped in the injury, then you're
going to get a scar as a reminder too, there's
still more work to be done in the healing of
that particular injury that you had. And so the body

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is always looking to maintain balance and return to wholeness.
And it's the question is how we live our lives
and what we do to stress our lives out, both
positively and negatively, Because stress can help the body if
it's positive stress, and it tears the body down if
it's negative stress. If you exercise the right way, you

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get stronger. If you exercise the wrong way, same stress,
you get injuries. If you feed the body the right food,
you get healthier and stronger. If you feed the body
the wrong food, you get weaker and more diseased. So
it's not a question of stress it's a questionable how
does the body apply that stress? And if you give
the body the ingredients that it needs in which to

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manage the stress that it experiences, then the body will
continue to run in a very healthful way for a
very very long time.

Speaker 1 (12:52):
Well, it's you know, keeping all that you've just said
in mind, how much of that can you just turn
over to faith or how much do you have to have?
You know, there's there's an intelligence to everything that you described.

Speaker 3 (13:07):
There is an intelligence and that intelligence was given to
all of us and embodied by all of us through
what we would some people would term God. Okay, and
so having faith in God, which is an energy force
of unknown origins that we can't see the way that

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we think we can see. You know, lots of people
when they think of the word God, they think of,
you know, a older guy with a long hair and
a beard and in a white robe of sorts and
sits up on a cloud. And you know, those are
the things that have come through our collective experiences in

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terms of how we visualize what God looks like. It's interesting.
I'm reminded of a funny little tale that went on,
and so the father comes home when day, and he
sees is his daughter diligently scribbling away on a big
sheet of paper with a bunch of different crayons, and
he comes over and sees that she's working in earnest

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and says to her, honey, what are you working on?
And she's like beaming with pride, drawing a picture of God,
and the dad says, oh, that's great, sweetie, but nobody
knows what God looks like. And she looks back and says, well,
if you would just let me finish, you know. And
so it's like we all have our contrived conceived conceptions,

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emotions and experiences in our own mind in terms of
what that means, and there's no one right answer. And
you know, there are those out there that think that
they have the right answer, and they've developed different schools
of thought in and around that. But at the end
of the day, the truth is is that we know
what we think we know, and some of what we

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think isn't complete, and some of what we think is
actually wrong. So you know, we're all doing the best
that we can. So when it comes to healing and
knowing that the body heals of its own accord under
natural circumstances when we have a health issue that isn't

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going away on its own and it needs some kind
of external intervention by seeing somebody like myself, or even
going to a medical practitioner, or even going to a
surgical practitioner, where we're going to try to intervene in
the process that is going on erroneously to try to
restore it back to balance. You need to have faith

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in the process in order to adopt that particular facet
that goes into the process of healing.

Speaker 1 (15:56):
And you mentioned a lot about the emotions that come along.
I mean, one of the things that can be really
devastating is if you have really a serious health diagnosis
where somebody says you have this fatal condition, the emotions
that they are attached to that seem to be put
you in the place where you start to question your faith.

Speaker 3 (16:18):
Well, yeah, it evokes an emotional response, and sometimes that
is deliberate and sometimes it's purely by accident. And so
what I've learned over the years of helping people is
that I need to be mindful of the words that
I use when I'm talking to a person about their condition.

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I don't want to make them feel like it's so
overbearing that they'll never be able to overcome it because
that's not productive for them, okay, which is why I
always end off whatever it is that I find in
a person, and this is how we're going to address that.
This is how we're going to fix it, and maybe
they'll get back to one hundred percent. Maybe they can't

(17:00):
get back to one hundred percent, but I'm certainly going
to get them above the forty percent where they currently are,
where they're suffering with symptoms. And so it's about being
mindful of what you're telling a person. When you as
a healthcare practitioner, when you tell your patient that they
have cancer, that person is going to stop listening to

(17:24):
what comes out of your mouth because they're stuck on
the word cancer. Okay, so they're not going to even
hear what comes next. So as a practitioner, you need
to be mindful of that, and you need to give
them the space to have their acceptance of what it
is that you're telling them and have their emotional processing

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of what it is that you just told them, and
still hold the space for them to support them through
the experience that they're having. And so when I have
met people who have been given the diagnosis of cancer,
and I've always asked them what was your experience of
being given that diagnosis? And you know, I can share

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the story of the gentleman who didn't understand the diagnosis
and got pissed off because he had to come to
me in order to get what he was told translated
into terms that he could actually understand.

Speaker 1 (18:23):
Well, I really would like to hear that story, but
before we do, we need to take a short commercial break.
When we get back from the commercial, let's hear that story,
because I think that one will be very informative for
our listeners.

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Speaker 1 (19:15):
Just before the break, you were starting to tell us
a story about somebody who had one of these kind
of life changing diagnoses that must have been upsetting for
this gentleman. But there's a rest of the story. Can
you tell us what the rest of the story is.

Speaker 3 (19:31):
Well, the story was is that he was an individual
that had suffered from lung cancer and they removed his
right lung, so the only lung that he had left
was his left lung. And your left lung has two
lobes versus your right lung has three lobes. And the
reason why the left lung has two lobes is because
it also has to accommodate the space for the heart.

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So you have an upper lobe and a lower lobe
in the left lung, and you have an upper, a middle,
and a lower on the right lobe. His right lung
had been removed, so he only has one lung left,
and they found a six sonometer lesion on his left lung,
a six lesion right and that's what the doctor told him.

(20:16):
The doctor didn't follow up that informing of his patient
with do you have any questions? And the patient had
lots of questions, But the doctor, who didn't speak English
as this original language, didn't understand the cultural difference and
didn't understand how to be more of a heartfelt practitioner

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instead of a very clinical separate from conditions and patients.
It's always a problem that goes on as far as
I'm concerned, and I try to do my best to
bridge that gaped because people who have health issues need
to be treated as people, not as conditions, and doctors
have a tendency to get lost in the condition because

(20:59):
they've taught not to empathize so much with their patients,
which I just find ridiculous. But neither here nor there.
So when he came to me, he came in for
an evaluation. He didn't tell me specifically what he was
trying to have evaluated. So I did my evaluation and
when we were done, I went over what I had found,

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and so I asked him, I said, do you have
any questions? He says, I just have one, and I'm like, wow,
I did a good job. That's what I'm saying to myself.
Only one question. Usually there's a handful. So he's just
like I got one question. I was like, well, what's that?
And he said, with his choice words, he says, what
the f is a sonometer? I said, sonometer? I said,

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I think your bispern. It's really pronounced in the English
language pronounced centimeter. I said, what are you referring to? No,
I was told specifically that I had a six sonimeter
lesion in my left lung. I said, oh, so you
had a six centimeter, which is you know, there's two
and a half centimeters per inch, so you had roughly

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a two inch probably some kind of tumor in your
left lung. Okay, And I'm sorry that the doctor didn't
explain that to you, but that's essentially what he meant.
And so the paging got really really angry. Now, his
last conversation with the practitioner basically said, go get your

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affairs in order, because you're probably not going to live
more than six months. Well, his anger kept him alive
for two and a half years.

Speaker 1 (22:31):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (22:32):
And so you know, you never know what how the
patient is going to respond to what the diagnosis is,
and so you want as a healthcare practitioner who's delivering
that news. And nobody likes to deliver the news anymore.
It's fascinating. I call different offices to try to get
information for my patient when their other doctor is doing

(22:55):
the testing, and nobody wants to disclose the information. It's like,
you understand, legally you have to disclose it, and legally
it's not even your information, it's the patient's information. So
of course the patient is entitled to the information. Stop
trying to keep them, you know, held hostage to whatever
it is that it is that you've tested that you

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don't want to give them because of whatever it is
you're trying to control about the situation. And it's just
it's it's really ridiculous. And so it's interesting that we're
talking about faith and healing and what's actually happening in
our society is people are losing faith in the healthcare industry,
and we're losing faith in a lot of other things

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in our society. And I think that that's actually a
prelude to, I don't know, the the clouds opening up
and Providence coming in and people having a grand awakening
and everything being restored in terms of a spiritual level

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that humanity needs to be through as opposed to the
current level that we have where they're still warring and
they're still taking of other people's lives, and there's still
an eye for an eye and all of that kind
of stuff that goes on that I think that we
should have outgrown centuries ago, which obviously we still haven't.

Speaker 1 (24:19):
We still have And I mean, it's interesting that you
have told this involved story about this gentleman who received
this diagnosis and didn't understand what the diagnosis was. And
it leads me to wonder what role the story. Somebody
has their own story to tell you, the story of
what's going on with them, and how does that influence

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how you approach them as a person. Because what Jesus
said was you're not seeing the person in front of
you with a condition, Oh you have cancer. We got
to deal with your cancer. You're saying, you know, oh
you're Mark. You Mark will have to deal with you.
We're not dealing with the fact that you've got a
diagnosis that you have cancer. What does that story inform

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you and help you in that process to help them
heal well?

Speaker 3 (25:07):
In the process when they walk into my office and
I sit down with them, there's certain aspects of their
body language that is telling a story just from their bodies,
just from their body language, and so their body language
tells me things about their unconscious that they're not conscious of.
So I'm already formulating questions that I want to ask
that person that's going to be deeply personal to them,

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that no doctor has ever asked of them, because nobody
takes the time to truly observe what's going on, and
maybe they've never taken training in body language interpretation and
understanding what their unconscious is expressing through their body physically.
So when I sit down with somebody, I'm reading their
body language. I'm reading the words that come out of

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their mouth and seeing if there's a match between what
they're saying versus what their body's saying. And usually they're
not in a which is why they have a physical ailment.
When there's an incongrulence between what you want versus what
your body's doing, that's what leads to disease. And so
my job is to take the person from where they

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are and get them to be more in line with
what their body is doing so that they can live
together as one as opposed to two separate things. My body.
You know, they talk about my disease, don't ever claim
something that you don't want. So don't identify with your cancer,
your heart disease, your diabetes, your autoimmune disease, your thyroiditeis.

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Don't identify by claiming it, okay, because everything in life
is a temporary state. And as a temporary state, if
you've gone out of agreement with your body to the
point where your body produces and manifests some kind of
disease process, okay, you created that process out of your

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unconscious And if we get you back in harmony with
your body, then you can uncreate it just as well
as you created it.

Speaker 1 (27:07):
So is that a manner of incorporating what's going on
with you that's out of harmony into the core of
who you are?

Speaker 3 (27:16):
Yeah, bringing you back into harmony with yourself. Whether it's
a physical ailment, whether it's a chemical imbalance, whether it's
an emotional ailment, whether it's some sort of allergy, some
sort of sensitivity, some sort of deficiency, whatever the case
happens to be. It's about evaluating the person for where

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they're at versus where they want to be, and then
finding methods to bring them to where they want to
be so that they can transcend the state that they're
in currently.

Speaker 1 (27:50):
So what role does acceptance play in that process? In
other words, you've come along and you've given that person
or that person has received the diagnos you have cancer.
At what point does just accepting that diagnosis the most
important part of being able to move on with your
health and coming back into the healing that you were

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looking for when I came to see you in the
first place.

Speaker 3 (28:16):
Well, here's the truth you know about the twelve step program.
Sure for whatever thing that you're trying to overcome, Yeah,
whatever the case, what is the first step in the
twelve steps.

Speaker 1 (28:29):
To accept the things you cannot change?

Speaker 3 (28:32):
Accept the fact that this is where you find yourself okay,
And you have to accept that state or that place
that you are if you're going to build a way
out of it. Right. It's like when you're using a GPS.
The GPS identifies where you.

Speaker 1 (28:51):
Are at every moment to.

Speaker 3 (28:55):
Help you find a path to where it is that
you want to be. So in every part of healing,
the first step in healing is to acknowledge what is
so that makes whatever is so real. But in all
of life, nothing is permanent. Everything is temporary. The glass

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is half full or the glass is half empty. It's
the same glass. How are you choosing to look at it? Okay,
you've created an imbalance within yourself for whatever time it
took to create the condition to physically manifest in the
diagnosis that you've received. So whatever you've done up to

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that point, you've created that. Cool we identify it for
what it is. Now we're gonna build a road out
of that to return you back to the place called health.
You took a minor detour, you got into the weeds. Good,
We're gonna pull you out of the weeds, and we're
gonna put you back on the main road, and we're
going to continue on in the journey that you are.

(30:03):
And if you have enough faith in the healing process,
then you will overcome your circumstance. If you don't have
enough faith in the healing process, you may not. And
in some of the things that go on in healthcare,
I don't know who rationally came up with some of
the treatments that are considered mainstream for helping people with

(30:24):
a diagnosis of cancer or helping somebody with a diagnosis
of some kind of other health issue, to where the
treatments that they employ to counterbalance the outcome that's already
persisting in their diagnosis. I just don't understand how we
came up with chemotherapy. I don't understand how we came

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up with radiation therapy. Because we know that radiation causes cancer.
Why would you use radiation to fix cancer? That doesn't
make any sense to me at all. Now that's not
to say that they don't have benefits, and they don't.
Obviously they continue to use it, and there are some
people that continue to live, so obviously there is some
certain benefit to it. But I want to work with

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a person's body to restore balance instead of pushing against
and fighting against. You know, there is quote the fight
about cancer, there's the fight about save the tatas, there's
the fight about ms. There's the fight and why is
everything a fight?

Speaker 1 (31:27):
Yeah, that's a very important question. I mean, there's a
war against drugs, there's a war against cancer. So we've
always we have that mentality. It's sort of militaristic mentality.
You're talking about taking something that is working with the
body's capacity to heal, which is kind of nature's way anyway, right.

Speaker 3 (31:45):
Even if you don't understand how it works. And that's
where faith comes in. I don't understand how a cell
knows how to replicate. I don't understand how a cell
knows how to process food. I can study it, I
can gain as much understanding as possible. But if we
took everything that human beings know about a human and

(32:08):
tried to recreate that human, do you think it would
be as good as the one that God created?

Speaker 1 (32:14):
No way, No, not even close, right?

Speaker 3 (32:16):
And what would be missing?

Speaker 1 (32:19):
That element that we can't even identify, the thing.

Speaker 3 (32:21):
That the God ingredient exactly, Okay.

Speaker 1 (32:24):
Whatever that spark is that animates you in the first place.

Speaker 3 (32:27):
And to understand that, Okay, we know we are that
spark that's animated. We know that our spirit is eternal.
We know that it is the spirit that resides that
has this physical body. Okay, the body is temporary, the
spirit is eternal. So how do we I had this

(32:52):
conversation with a patient this morning. We have the concept
that there's a past, there's a present, and there's a
few The future never happens. The past we don't have
any attachment to the only thing that ever happens is
the present, Okay, And that's why it's a gift and

(33:15):
that's why I try to help people from a faith
perspective understand that the gift that God gives you every
day is called the present. And what do you choose
to do with your gift on any particular day? How
do you choose to use the time that you've been
given with the tools that you have, with your thought processes,
with your physical capabilities, whatever the case happens to be.

(33:37):
And so when a person has a particular affliction to
where they no longer have use of their limbs the
way that they would normally have use of their limbs,
or they lost a limb, or I don't know, they
like the gentleman in the first part of the show
had his lung removed. Okay, human spirit has an ability

(33:59):
to over that. And that particular individual was told he
would be dead in six months and he lived for
two and a half years. Why because spirit said so.

Speaker 1 (34:08):
It's like, well, it's interesting that the spirit, the spirit
showed up at least in your experience with that great
anger and that anger is a lot of energy.

Speaker 3 (34:17):
Well, anger is a great motivator. Anger is what helps
get things done. Okay, but you have to know how
to control your anger and direct the energy that the
anger creates in a productive way as opposed to a
destructive way. And so anger can be destructive, but it

(34:38):
can also be very productive. And it's just again half
empty half full, depending upon well, how are you applying
it and how are you interpreting it, And so it's like, Okay,
somebody can get very intense and can be interpreted as
being angry. No, they're just very focused and very intense
on what they're doing, and you don't understand what they're doing,

(35:00):
perceiving it from your perspective through your filters as that
person's being angry, and they may be like, no, I
wasn't angry before, No, I saw you you were angry. No,
I was intently focused on what I was trying to
do and I didn't have time for your what you
were asking me to consider.

Speaker 1 (35:19):
Being able to energize. I mean, this is a lot
of what we're talking about here, is the factor that
the emotions play in the healing process in order to
be able to get you. Because I think that a
lot of times when you have a diagnosis that is
something like a cancer diagnosis, something like that, it will
affect your mood and you may find yourself depressed and

(35:41):
ready to sort of shut down.

Speaker 3 (35:43):
And it can. And depression is an emotion. It's a
out of balance emotion that impacts how the liver functions.
It's actually depression is stored in the liver.

Speaker 1 (35:53):
Let us get to that conversation because that will be
an interesting thing for us to pick up after we
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Speaker 1 (36:40):
Now, just before the break, you were talking about the
fact that the liver becomes hyperactivated by the anger that
might come up as a result of being able to
move from the depression of having something terrible told to
you to saying no, I'm going to fight this. I'm
gonna I'm going to take up and do something about it.

(37:01):
Acain right.

Speaker 3 (37:02):
So what's interesting is they're both along the same vein.
Depression is being passive to a situation, whereas anger is
being active to a situation, and they're both coming from
the same place. Again, it's if the person is seeing

(37:22):
the glasses half full, they're going to get anger. If
they're seeing the glasses half empty and what they're losing,
they're going to get depressed. It's just how are you
choosing to respond to the circumstances. And those two emotions
specifically are processed through your liver. Your liver is your
decision maker. Okay, It's where all your planning takes place.

(37:43):
And when you've planned things out appropriately, then I misspoke.
When you plan the things out appropriately, then the gallbladder
kicks in and that actually helps to execute the decision. Okay.
So when you're trying to take all the different ingredients
that are coming into the body and you're trying to
figure out how to filter through them and figure out
which ones you keep, which ones you get rid of.

(38:04):
That's the job of the liver to do that. And
so when you're working through something that's mental or emotional,
those same types of emotions get processed through different parts
of your body. Fear is a kidney emotion, Grief is
a lung emotion, self esteem is a spleen emotion. Being

(38:24):
the dogmatic or rigid in your way of thinking, that's
a large intestin emotion. It's funny because those people tend
to be constipated. Why because they just don't know how
to let go literally, and so it's interesting when you
start to understand all the pieces of a particular situation,
what's going on physically, what's going on emotionally, what's going
on mentally, what's their emotional response to what's going on mentally,

(38:50):
and having to peel back the layers and identify how
the person processes that energy and all those different pieces
of what's going on in their life to manifest in
how their body is producing the results physically.

Speaker 1 (39:04):
It's so interesting that the way that you can observe
the emotional factors that are happening for a person, whatever
emotions they're going through, actually will relate very specifically. They
break out into the different parts of the body the
different organ systems, the different gland systems, so that it

(39:24):
now becomes something that you can actually address by supporting
them to strengthen the area of weakness, or to be
able to adjust an area where it might be overactive.

Speaker 3 (39:38):
Right, or to support the place that's deficient that the
overactive part is compensating for. So by raising the deficient part,
then the intensity of the overactive part calms down on
its own. And again, it's always about returning the person

(40:00):
to balance and returning them to harmony. And as we
talked about to begin with, is having faith in that process. Well,
the best way to have faith in anything is to
experience it for yourself. Okay. I can say that I
have the faith in Jesus Christ, okay, but until I've
experienced Jesus Christ physically through my body. There's the lip

(40:26):
service of it versus there's the embodiment of it. And
that's where people talk about their experience with the Holy Spirit, okay,
and being overcome by the Holy Spirit and having an
experience of that all right, And that's what strengthens a
person's faith. And again we talked about faith is having

(40:50):
an understanding of something that you can't touch. Or experience
in a way other than you know. It's like you
love your daughters.

Speaker 1 (41:01):
Yes, yeah, absolutely right, And.

Speaker 3 (41:05):
Nothing anybody could say or do would change the fact
that you love your daughters, and whether they're with you
or whether there's someplace else in the world, it doesn't
change the love that you have for them. Okay. There's
a faith that's involved with that, okay, And so healing

(41:25):
of a difficult health diagnoses all right. I look at
diagnosis differently. I break the word diagnosed down into three words,
die meaning too, ag meaning not nos meaning to know.
The word diagnose in my language means that two people
who don't know. And I would rather not give somebody
a diagnosis. I would rather say to them that we

(41:47):
found these imbalances within you, and this is what we're
going to do to get rid of those imbalances. And
your body's going to come back together on its own.
And it's not up to me. It's up to your
body doing what it was designed to do based upon
the powers that it was given by the Creator through
the process of life.

Speaker 1 (42:06):
Well, I wonder in what you said about faith and
does the faith that you're talking about in terms of healing,
does that in any way conflict with say, somebody who
has a particular religious faith or a particular belief system
that they adhere to.

Speaker 3 (42:24):
Not from my perspective, maybe from their perspective. I've had
a lot of conversations in my office about what my
faith is, and they're very happy to share with me
what their faith is. In fact, I had a conversation
with a husband and wife. Guy was retired military and
he was coming to me for a particular condition, and

(42:45):
she was coming with me piggybacking on that, and we
were sitting down on our third visit, and we had
a very deep involved conversation about me defining what my
faith is and what that means, and how it relates
to his lief in Jesus Christ and his Catholic you know,
faith and all of that. And I don't necessarily limit myself,

(43:13):
and I'm reticent about using the word limit myself, but
I have a much broader I would like to think
that I have a much broader understanding of God as
a creator and the universe itself and how life has

(43:35):
manifested and how we are all interconnected, and how we
are all one part of the body of God. All
of that because I've spent probably forty five to fifty
years of my sixty years of living trying to answer
those questions and having spent time looking at different perspectives

(44:01):
in religion, whether it's Buddhism, whether it's Hinduism, whether it's Judeoism,
whether it's Christian, whether it's Islam, whatever the case happens
to be. I've taken enough time to look at like
the Bahai faith and all of that just to understand, Okay, well,
what is their perspective and how did they arrive at

(44:22):
their perspective and how much of that overlaps with my
own perspective. And so it's not about one being right
one being wrong. It's a question of well, how do
you encompass all of it? And you yourself as an
inner faith minister, okay, you've you were the efficient at
my wedding, okay, and you've officiated other people's weddings of

(44:45):
different faiths, and it's like, okay, in what capacity are
you standing up in front delivering the service.

Speaker 1 (44:54):
It has to do with the faith of the of
every couple and every because faith and those points of
view are very personal, we're exactly right experience.

Speaker 3 (45:06):
And I so appreciate what you just said, because that's
just it. It's just like, okay, we all have our own experience, okay.
And it still haunts me to this day because I
still use it all the time. What my mom gave
me when I was four years old and came home
from nursery school the very first day and I told
her what my experience was, and she just said, she

(45:27):
said to me, and this stuck with me. Different isn't wrong.
Difference just different. And I think as human beings we
need to understand what our differences are and find the
commonality and just accept the commonality that we're both humans.
And it's okay that if you were raised on the
other side of the world with a completely different experience

(45:48):
to my experience, that doesn't mean that your experience was wrong,
and there's no reason for me to be critical of it.
But there is space for me to ask questions because
I'm trying to understand it, okay. And I think that's
what humanity could do better at in terms of understanding

(46:09):
different ways of thinking. But when you have the powers
that be who want everybody to be the same and
everybody to live by the same rules, it doesn't work
that way because not everybody is going to interpret the
rule the same way and apply it the same way.

(46:30):
And it's just like my perspective is, I don't need
to worry about laws because I'm going to conduct myself
the way that a human being should conduct themselves. And
I'm never worried about breaking laws, with maybe the exception
of speeding just because I like to drive.

Speaker 1 (46:45):
You know.

Speaker 3 (46:45):
But I mean, at the end of the day, I
respect law officers. In fact, I support them anytime that
I can, and I thank them anytime that I see them.
And at the end of the day, I don't have
the first understanding of what they go through through their proberm,
but I have faith in humanity and the fact that
we're surviving. I think we could do better in terms

(47:07):
of how we're surviving, but through all the trials and tribulations,
we're still here as a species.

Speaker 1 (47:14):
We're still here. I Mean. One of the things that
I want to just bring this conversation back to the
kind of work you do as a holistic practitioner and
helping people with their health. What about what do you
do with somebody who may feel skeptical about the approach
that you take with helping people restore their health. Since

(47:35):
you're not a medical doctor, you're not going to prescribe
some medication. You're not going to sit there and say, well,
you have a problem with this, and we'll just cut
the problem out and send you on your way.

Speaker 3 (47:46):
Well, the first thing that I do is I asked
the patient if that's the way that they want to go,
and if that's the way that they want to go,
then they're not in the right office. And ninety nine
times out of one hundred, they're in my office because
they've decided they don't want want to go that way.
They they actually sought me out because they're looking for
an alternative way of dealing with their problem that doesn't

(48:08):
involve drugs or surgery. And so I appreciate and I
applaud every one of those people who have the courage
to go against the traditional method that we've been led
to believe is a be all, end all cure, all
for all, without using the word cure, which is funny,

(48:29):
but yeah, the power that made the body is the
power that can heal the body. And if you just
watch the body do what it does totally on its own.
Everybody has experienced some level of injury to their skin
where they get a cut, and what do you do

(48:50):
to make that cut? Heel.

Speaker 1 (48:51):
You don't really have to do anything right, just give
it time.

Speaker 3 (48:55):
Give it time. A lot of people will say, well,
you got to clean it, and I'm like, well, if
you're a guy, you don't, Okay, go about your business.
You know, It's like, I got to finish the job.
So I'm not concerned with the fact that I'm bleeding
right now. I've got to finish the job. And so
at the end of the day, if you leave it
alone and there's no emotion in the injury, it's going

(49:17):
to look as good as brand new, okay. And as
I said before, if there is emotion in the injury,
then it's going to leave a scar. But at the
end of the day, the body knows how to do that, okay.
So why would the body not understand how to do
a larger ticket item versus that small ticket item. Well,
if given the right ingredients, it will do the job.

Speaker 1 (49:40):
Well, I g I says, I mean, part of what
you do is you you're addressing the same health issue
that somebody may have, but you have a different toolbox
that you're using that you draw upon.

Speaker 3 (49:52):
Yeah, I'm looking for the mechanism of cause, not managing
and masking and treating the effect. Okay, Yeah, there are
times where you're gonna need a certain amount of therapy
in order to recover. Okay, you're gonna need a certain
amount of rehabilitation in order to restore balance to whatever

(50:13):
it is that you got injured. Okay. I got a
neighbor that lives right next door to me. Okay, he
heard his shoulder rotator cuff, all right, And so he's
out in the cul de sac with his kid every
day and he's throwing a football underhanded because he can't
throw it overhanded. So I told him some things that
he needs to do, and every day that I see him,
I say, how's those exercise going, And he'll tell me

(50:36):
either he wasn't doing them, or he's doing better at
them or whatever. And the last time that I saw him,
he threw a football overhand. And he hasn't had surgery,
And I told him, if you do what I ask
you to do, you won't need surgery. And so here
he is manifesting that, yes, is it taking longer than

(50:58):
it would take had he had surgery, and then gone
through maybe twelve weeks of rehabilitation. Maybe yes, maybe no.
But at the end of the day, he's allowing his
body to heal the way that it's supposed to heal
based upon him facilitating that healing. Now, had he come
to me as a patient instead of a neighbor, I

(51:20):
would have supported him with different nutritional ingredients to help
make that healing happen faster. But I wasn't there to
sell my neighbor anything. I wasn't there to convince him anything.
I was there to give him a little bit of
advice to where if he's got benefits, perhaps he would
ask me more questions, but that's not where he lives.

(51:40):
All he wants to do is to be able to
throw football with his son, because he's hoping his son
becomes a professional football player. He's like ten right now.
He's got a ways to go, but he's putting in
the time in hopes that he ends up being one
of the less than one percent of the people that
actually make well.

Speaker 1 (51:59):
This is great alreat and you know, not everybody that's
listening to our show as your neighbor. It has the
advantage of being able to see you out there in
the front stoop. But I'm sure that there are a
lot of people that have been curious about what you
do and perhaps would like to speak with you directly
about their particular situation and see if there's a way
that you can help them restore the balance of their health.

(52:21):
What are the best ways to go about reaching you
and having that consultation.

Speaker 3 (52:26):
Well, first and foremost, nothing would please me more than
to help my listener. Just the fact that you listen
endears me to you and makes me want to help
you any way that I can, And the best way
to do that would be for you to reach out
to me. Call my cell phone directly at area code
eight four to five five six one two two two
five again eight four five five six one two two

(52:50):
two five. You can text that phone. It may take
me a couple of days to get back to you,
but maybe not. I don't typically like texting, but that's
the way people do it nowadays. If you want to
do the old fashioned way, you can email me. I
hold on to all my emails so we'll have a
permanent record of our conversation back and forth, and I

(53:10):
can answer your questions. I can put in links and
all sorts of stuff and with that to direct you
to the areas that you need to be to get
the understanding that you need to have in order to
take proper action for whatever it is that ails you.
You can come into my office at one thirty eight
Canal Street, Sweet four zero four of building four hundred

(53:32):
and we can have a face to face and that
will allow me to do a physical evaluation of you
to help you understand what's going on. But whether you call,
whether you text, whether you email, whether you stop in
whatever the case happens to be, my job is to
support you to the best of your ability when your
health matters. That's why this show is called When your
Health Matters. So I hope you've enjoyed today's show. I

(53:56):
thank you for your listenership. I'd ask you to tune
back in next week, same health time. Sam l Station
is the doctor Richard on tune from Advanced Alternative Medicine Center,
saying I look forward to supporting you when your health matters.

Speaker 2 (54:11):
See my physician, he said, you're definitely ill. Then to
the nurse, I've seen worse than the doctor.

Speaker 3 (54:17):
Just gave me a pill.

Speaker 2 (54:18):
Take one of those three times a day.

Speaker 4 (54:20):
Don't ever stop until you're.

Speaker 2 (54:22):
Nearly dead or almost better keep out of the reach
of children. I'm thinking that might be some side effect pan,
but probably will well limits of fact.

Speaker 4 (54:31):
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the film. On top of that, on top of that,
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Speaker 6 (54:39):
And then he showed me his bill.

Speaker 3 (54:42):
I popped another pill

Speaker 2 (54:47):
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