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Speaker 1 (00:04):
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Speaker 3 (00:36):
Welcome to When Your Health Matters. Your host is doctor
Richard Huntoon of Advanced Alternative Medicine Center located right here
in Pool of Georgia. Doctor Hantoon has been practicing alternative health,
utilizing chiropractic and many other health techniques for the past
twenty seven years to support you when your health matters.
It's his intention to offer practical advice every week for
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you to consider and to apply in your own life
to make your life and the lives of your family
and friends healthier and happier. When you have questions, you'll
get your answers from doctor Rick himself or another expert
on the show. Being empowered to make positive health choices
before problem arises is the best way to approach health,
and doctor Rick promises to have information for you every
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week that will allow you to become proactive and empowered
to take control of your health and your life.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
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Speaker 2 (01:27):
Welcome to this week's show, When Your Health Matters, the
show designed to empower you to better health through knowledge
and education. And I'm your host, doctor Richard Untun from
Advanced Alternative Medicine Center. And here's my partner for the show,
your health Advocate, Mark saban.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Well, Doc Rick. Is the season of falls surrounds us
the Chinese element theory, the five element theory shifts from
the earth element to the metal element. So what happens
to the natural energies as we move toward the season
of fall?
Speaker 2 (01:58):
As we move through the natural energies of expansion and contraction,
which is what happens. You expand like taking air in,
and then you contract when you're letting air out. Fall
is the beginning of the contraction phase in the yearly
cycle after the height of summer, and this corresponds to
the metal element and consists of the lungs, the large intestine,
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and the skin. And so the energies begin to constrict,
and things in nature begin to move through the dying season,
and leaves and plants begin to close down for the
winter months in December.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Huh. So what are the qualities of metal that actually
relate to how this goes towards your health.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Well, metal associates with clarity, organization, discipline, and the ability
to let go of what no longer serves you. Being strong,
clear and focused about things and knowing when it's time
to let go of things. This helps keep the body
and the mound and balanced, especially as the seasons change.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Now, what you said at the beginning was that this
relates to the lungs. So how are the lungs associated
with the element of metal.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Well, the metal element consists of the lungs, large intestine,
and skin and are about letting go. And fall is
the time nature lets go, and we need to honor
that relationship. And so the beginning part has to do
with breathing and respiration and the taking of air in
and the releasing of carbon dioxide as a waste product,
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and being able to properly breathe fully into the lungs
and fully out of the lung so that.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
X scaling process is really the letting go part of
the breath. Correct. Okay, So now can you describe before
us a little bit how the lungs look and how
they work.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
The lungs are like two large sponges, and they have
the same consistency as a sponge. The right lung has
three lobes and upper, a middle, and a lower, and
the left lung has two loves with an upper and
a lower. They are very passive in that they receive
air and release air with the help of other muscles,
the diaphragm being significant in the functioning of the lungs.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
So you mean that the lungs aren't actually what does
the work of the breathing? How do they actually take
the air in and expel it? How does those processes work? Well?
Speaker 2 (04:22):
When we inhale, air is brought through the nose and
the mouth to the trachea and then the bronchi and
the bronchioles, and then the lungs proper. The smallest level
of the lungs are called the alveoli, and the exchange
with the blood drop with the blood drops off the oxygen,
and then it exchanges it with the waste product, which
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is carbon dioxide that it's being transported back from the tissues.
The waste product is then exhaled out of the respiratory
system before repeating the cycle.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
So you mentioned the diaphragm. What is the diaphragm and
how does it work.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
So, the diaphragm is a specialized muscle that expands and
contracts to pull air into the lungs and squeeze air
out of the lungs. It's attached to the rib cage itself.
It is a unique muscle in the fact that it
expands across the whole middle of the what separates the
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thoracic cavity, which are the lungs, heart, and the esophagus,
from the abdominal cavity, which is all your digestive organs,
et cetera, starting with the stomach below the diaphragm. And
so the diaphragm is a emotional processor. Assuming that you
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breathe the way that you're supposed to, which means expanding
the diaphragm and moving the abdominal contents out of the way.
So when you belly breathe and you take air all
the way into the lungs. The lungs filled down with
the help of the diaphragm, allowing them to expand, pushing
the abdominal organs out of the way, which causes the
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belly to pop out like a little Buddha belly. And
then when you release the air out of the lungs
and the lungs contract, the diaphragm contracts, and the abdominal
cavity also shrinks and gets smaller. So when you breathe in,
the belly comes out, and when you breathe out, the
belly comes in, whereas most people breathe backwards. When they breathe,
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they fill their lungs and they paralyze the diaphragm and
they breathe above the diaphragm, and then when they exhale,
they release the air from the lungs. That way, but
it's not ideal, it's not balanced, and it actually reverses
the way that the body takes in oxygen in an
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efficient manner. It becomes less efficient because you're not involving
the diaphragm. Now, the other aspect of the diaphragm that
I mentioned is the emotions. So the expand and contracting
of the diaphragm actually helps you process and release your emotions.
And so if you are an emotional person, it's important
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to make sure that you're activating your diaphragm. Everybody knows
that when you're at a funeral, or when somebody passes,
or when something is very grief filled for you and
a person is trying to get that air into their
lungs and they're having difficulty with that, if they would
just relax and allow the breathing to take place, that
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would help to facilitate the passing of the grief in
a much healthier way.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
That's interesting now, I mean, is the diaphragm doing the
most of the work. Is it doing all of the
work or are there other muscles involved with the breathing process.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Well, there are. The diaphragm is the primary muscle, but
we also have the intercostal muscles between the ribs which
help to elevate and lower the ribs when we're breathing
in and out. Then there's some muscles associated with the chest,
your pectoralis muscles and your seratus anterior muscles which attach
to the rib cage. And then you have muscles in
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the back that line the spine that attached to each
of the ribs that go up, and so there's many
muscles that are associated with the elevation and the dissension
of the ribs which assist in the breathing and the
expansion of the rib cage as one fills the lungs
with air.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
So when somebody's not properly breathing, are they relying on
those other muscles and the diaphragm is going to being
cut out of the equation.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
The diaphragm is being held in place, the emotions aren't
being processed, and so the lungs themselves, everything above the
diaphragm then works extra to make up for the fact
that the diaphragm isn't involved. And again that creates stress
within the respiratory system and can create shortness of breath
that can create asthma. Over time, it can create COPD.
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So it's important for people to make sure that they
are belly breathing. And what's fascinating is what I've seen
over the number of years that I've helped people with
their breathing and taught them how to breathe properly. When
a person lays down.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
At night.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
And they're truly relaxed to go to sleep, they will
begin belly breathing. When they're stuck in their head and
they're overthinking, then they're going to be chest breathing. And
so it's important when you lay down at night and
you stop your thinking and you just concentrate on your breath,
you will understand what belly breathing is about. And then
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when you stand up, people get back into their head
and they immediately paralyze their diaphragm and they go back
to chest breathing instead of belly breathing. So it would
be important to bring the belly breathing from laying down
to the standing position so that you can get more
value out of the air and make your body w
work more efficiently.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
Well, that's really interesting. Now you mentioned a couple of
health things. You mentioned asthma and COPD. What other sorts
of health problems does improper breathing lead to.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Well, the asthma, the COPD, we can pull in their emphysema, bronchitis,
bronchial problems. They're all bronchial problems. Your bronchioles are the
tubes that branch off the trachea and then fan out
to set up the major pipes in and out of
the lungs. They connect to the bronchioles before they become
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the alveoli of the lungs themselves. And so if you
get inflammation in any of those areas and you have
trouble exhaling, that's when the air gets trapped and the
person feels almost like they're suffocating because you can't get
the air out and it's extremely uncomfortable. And so for
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people that get asthma, it's important for them to always
have their inhaler with and around them. And it's important
to make sure that you take care of your lungs
and the health of your lungs and breathe properly so
that you don't eventually develop these copds or chronic obstructive
pulmonary diseases.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
And those are largely from not breathing properly for a lifetime.
Are there other causes that would lead to lung problems?
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Certainly if you're a smoker, that would lead to lung problems. Yeah,
if you work in an area that has got lots
of pollution and you're not breathing clean air on a
regular basis that will create lung problems. And so when
you got chronic obstructive pulmonary disease, the emphasis on the
chronic part means that you've been in an environment and
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not been doing things appropriately for a very long time,
and over that time period, then the lungs have a
tendency to fibrose and the tissues don't expand and contract
the way that there's supposed to, and it just makes
the breathing, the whole apparatus of breathing less efficient.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
And that apparatus is more than just the lungs as
we've just described. So when somebody gets fluid in their lungs,
which is something that I hear where you know people
can if you drown, isn't that because you've got fluid
in your lungs and you can't really breathe.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Well, yeah, if you inhale fluid into your lungs, you
know that's drowning. But you can get fluid in the
lungs from dysfunctional lungs that allow fluid to accumulate instead
of clearing the fluid, and that happens as people get sick.
The byproduct of the sickness creates more inflammation, and that
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leads to the fluid. It occupies the lungs.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Now beyond just the organ of the lungs. In Chinese medicine,
we talk about the meridians associated with it. So what
are the other problems that might be associated with the
meridian from the lungs.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
Well, you're gonna definitely get shoulder issues because the lungs
control your shoulders, and then the lung meridian itself goes
down the arm into the hand, So you could have
problems in the shoulder, in the elbow, in the forearm,
in the wrist, or in a couple of the fingers
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within the hand itself, because that's where the meridian goes.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
Mm hm. Now we talked about the fluid and the lungs.
You didn't mention pneumonia. What is pneumonia? Does that a
lung disorder?
Speaker 2 (13:35):
A pneumonia is a bacterial infection creating problems for the
lungs where the infection then resides.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
And there's something called plurisy. What is that?
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Plurisy is inflammation of the outer protective coating of the lungs,
known as the pleura. So when you get inflammation of
the pleura, that outer protective covering of the lungs. Then
you get pleurisy, and that can create fluid between the
pleura and the lung itself, and ultimately that keeps the
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lungs from expanding the way that they're supposed to because
the fluid is applying pressure to the outer part of
the lung.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
It sounds very uncomfortable.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
It can be uncomfortable. Any any thing that doesn't allow
you to breathe properly is going to be very uncomfortable
for the person with the issue.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
Yeah, no, I mean asthma, emphysema, COPD, bronchitis. But you
said those are bronchial problems, they are not necessarily lung problems.
How does that relate. I mean, obviously that's all connected.
But the lungs are where the oxygen transfers into the blood, right, so.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
The lungs getting air from those alveoli, out of the
lungs and out of the trichia, out of the nose,
out of the mouth. However you want to exhale. There
are a lot of people that talk about in different
disciplines where you breathe in through your nose and you
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breathe out through your mouth. Kind of thing. Getting the
air from the lungs back out of the body is important.
And when you get constriction within the bronchioles, when you
get constriction within the bronchial trach heal tree, and it
results in the COPD, it results in the asthma, those
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kinds of things again, emphysema, It just becomes very uncomfortable
and it's very very difficult to manage. And I wouldn't
wish that upon anybody, And I would encourage people to
continue listening to what we'll probably end up talking about,
because I'm sure that I'm going to be offering what
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you can do to help improve how your breathing functions.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
Right, I mean, because there are the conditions that affect
your lungs, then there's the basis of what you're breathing is.
And some of those things have to do not only
with health issues. I mean there could be other health issues.
You can have water accumulating in your bloodstream, maybe from
kidney problems or liver problems that could those affect your
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lungs as well.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
Ah, they can that the liver sys just below the diaphragm,
and so if the liver is having difficulties. It may
put pressure on the diaphragm, which won't allow for the
lungs to expand as much as they need to be
expanding in order to handle the volume of air coming
in and out, and therefore the body will make adjustments
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and allow less air in, which makes the person who
needs to get more air have issues because they're not
getting enough air.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
And I keep hearing about these people that are holding
their breath for inordinately long times, like people that can
dive free dive where they're not using oxygen like a
scuba diver, but they can actually hold their breath for
five or ten minutes even.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Well, I think ten minutes would be pretty outstanding. But
at the end of the day, you can train yourself
to become very efficient at getting value out of the
oxygen that you breathe. When I was probably twelve or thirteen,
we used to go to a lake at a camp
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called Sycamore and there was a main dock that went
out that came to a tee at the end, and
then there were a bunch of other docks that were
free floating out further beyond the tea, and that area
from the tee to the shore was the main swimming
area that everybody hung out in, and so we would
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play hide and seek in the water. And so there
was a particular time where I was really really good
at holding my breath. I could literally hold my breath
for five minutes and I would just simply go hold
my breath and sit on the bottom of the lake.
And so everybody's you know, up at the top of
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the water, swimming around trying to figure out and then
they would eventually recognize the fact that, well, where'd Rick go?
And they wouldn't know where I was, and you know,
like two or three minutes later than I would appear
and they would be like, where were You know, It's
like I was just sitting on the bottom of the
lad you know, holding my breath, and you know, I
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trained myself to be able to do that, so you
can train yourself. And you mentioned the free divers. The
free divers are extraordinary people. They because they're going to
pretty deep parts of the water, and the deeper you go,
the more pressure there is, and the more pressure there is,
you know, the more challenging it's going to be to
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hold the oxygen in your tissues kind of thing. And
so it's a tremendous talent that they have and you know,
but it's something that you have to obviously have to
work up to.
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Speaker 1 (19:49):
No, it might even seem a little bit obvious, but
why is grief associated with the lungs?
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Well, grief is considered the chief emotion of the lungs
and where grief is stored. This is because the lungs
are about letting go and grief is an emotion that
allows the person to express their sadness and related emotions
through the breath itself, so they're highly intertwined and related.
And that's essentially how the body processes grief is through
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your lungs.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
And now can grief have health implications on your lung health?
Speaker 2 (20:24):
Oh, absolutely, in a positive or negative way, depending upon
if you express the grief or repress the grief. If
you're repressing the grief, you're going to develop lung pathologies.
If you're expressing the grief, then your lungs will continue
to stay healthy. Uh huh.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
Now, on the opposite side of the grief emotion would
be laughter and that kind of thing. Was that also
be a lung related emotion?
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Yeah, it is, and it does. And laughter is the
releasing of positive emotion and can be significant when experiencing
a sincere and deep belly laugh.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Now, what happens when you're brief Your breath starts to
become very shallow.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Things get repressed as the diaphragm is not being fully
engaged in the process of to help you process the emotion,
and so you're going to continue to hold on to
that emotion, and it's going to affect how the lungs
function because that stagnant energy is just continuing to stay
around and it's not recycling fully.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Now, would that relates to hyperventilating when you're breathing very quickly.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
I guess it could be. You know, somebody who hyperventilates
is going through some kind of fear associated with whatever
it is that they're dealing with at the time, and
how that interacts with the lungs itself. You're not getting
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enough oxygen into the system because it's not taking long enough.
You're spending more time exhaling carbon dioxide than you are
taking in oxygen. And so one of the things that
I'm sure we've all at least become aware of that,
at least back when I was growing up as a kid,
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if somebody was hyperventilating, you'd give them a brown paper
bag for them to put over their mouth and just
to try to slow their breathing down and breathing in
and breathing out. And when you're exhaling the carbon dioxide.
What ends up happening is you overwhelm the system with
carbon dioxide and so the breathing comes back into control
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and balance again.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
So there's two things. One is the toxicity of the
carbon dioxide, but there's also you're being deprived of the
oxygen you need, right okay, now when you hold your
breath to suppress your emotions. Is that one of the
ways that people typically will go about trying to curtail
having any expression of their emotions.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Well, yeah, because the diaphragm, the emotional processor is not
allowed to move and it doesn't allow for the movement
of those emotions, and so people will have a tendency
to repress those emotions. And my concern for everybody in
humanity that does that is that they're going to eventually
develop lung pathology. And I would not wish that upon anybody.
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So I would ask you to learn how to express
your grief and learn how to express those similar emotions
so that you're not creating lung issues, because not being
able to breathe and feeling like you're drowning because you
don't have the ability to get rid of your carbon
dioxide is just I can't emphasize enough how unpleasant that is.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
It just sounds terrible. And I've known people that had
COPD and it is really a very distressing disease to have. Now,
beyond letting your emotions out, we were talking before about
the emotion of grief, but are there other other events
than death that could stimulate grief? Sure, the loss of
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a job, really.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
The loss of you know, I had a patient in
the other day that was grieving over the fact that
they were selling the home that they grew up in,
that there was left to them by their grandmother and
now they have to sell the home. So something like that.
So the loss of a job, the loss of a home,
having to move anywhere where, something that you value and
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you emotionally invest in that comes to an end, is
going to support the expression of grief over it coming
to an end.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
And what happens when you don't allow yourself to actually
go through that experience of grief.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
You're going to end up, like we've been saying, You're
going to end up creating lung issues and respiratory issues
and it's not going to be pretty the longer you
do that.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
Now, would you say that many people are holding their
breath a lot of the time where they're not breathing.
I mean you said that.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
I watch people all the time who are constantly holding
their breath. Why because they're emotionally holding They don't want
to deal with their emotions. Therefore, their diaphragm gets paralyzed.
They don't engage their lungs the way that they're supposed to,
and they end up not breathing as often as they should.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
So if you were to just exercise your breathing, your
ability to breathe, would that also naturally then help you
express emotions.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
It would, and it would also help you release the
emotions that you've been holding onto for a long enough
period of time. And so one of the things that
helps people recycle their emotions is good, high quality aerobic
exercise to where there's a lot of breathing involved. Like
I can get on my bike and you know, cycle
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for an hour and if I get into the pace
that I can sustain without feeling like I'm putting effort,
I'm putting an effort, but I can go back to
breathing at a normal pace. So I have to push
myself on the bike to really get into you know,
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getting my lungs to work. But that's just because I've
trained myself to be highly efficient, and that started out
when I was a young kid and be able to
hold my breath for five minutes.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
Well, I mean I've watched like people who do heavy
lifting and things like that, they may hold their breath.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
Well, they hold their breath and an effort to create
more pressure in their core, which shuttles blood to their muscles,
which allows them to So Ideally, when you're lifting weights,
anytime you're pushing away, you want to be exhaling. But
most people hold their diaphragm and they use the pressure
that's built up within their system to motivate their muscles
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to lift a little bit more.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
It's pretty interesting. So when you talk about your processing
of all these emotions and this, and particularly of grief
in the overall sense of health. When you're seeing people
that are suffering from some form of grief, whether it's
from a lost job, or from somebody that has passed
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away or the selling of a house, what do you
actually engage with them to actually help them process through
some of that emotion.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
Well, I'll stay with them and we'll use a technique
that is very valuable in all of this, which is
neuro emotional technique, and we will work specifically. If they
have an activated emotional reflex, then we will locate what
the emotions are. And if they have active grief and
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similar emotions going on in the at the time, then
we will help them process those emotions both from present
time and from when their body developed. The pattern of
holding on to those emotions will help to clean out
the barrel, so to speak, so that they can actually
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move on with their life and not carrying around so
much grief.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
Well, what happens when you come to an anniversary of
an event like that, with the anniversary of somebody that
has passed away, is that a time where those emotions
kind of cycle back.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
They sometimes do. And what I find somewhat ridiculous in
our society is the fact that we keep negative emotions
associated with negative memories. We keep them alive by celebrating
every year. You know, no disrespect to any I mean,
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I was certainly around and impacted by what happened on
September eleventh, But what was fascinating was I observed what
society did and what the powers that be did with
nine to eleven. And there are a bunch of twenty
five to thirty year old children who are now adults,
who were at the time they were anywhere from five
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to ten years old, who have in their unconscious mind
the belief that planes crashed into buildings all the time
because they saw the repeated camera angles of the three
planes fly into buildings. For over a year, they just
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kept showing it on the news, and they kept showing
it on the various stages of the news where there
was midday news, whether it was drive home news, evening news,
late night news. They just showed that over and over
and over, over and over again. And I remember thinking
to myself, there's going to be a whole bunch of
people that are going to have some serious lung issues
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later on in life. And it's important for us to
help people to release their emotions. And I think that
we need to stop celebrating negative tragic events over and
over and over again.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
Well, is there a difference between celebrating and commemorating, And
how do you balance the fact that something that's happened
that's impacted your life and caused you grief that's continuing
that you need to cycle through. I mean, that's perhaps
different than what the media is doing in terms of
seeing the images over and over again. But Grandma died
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five years ago, and every year on her anniversary.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
Celebrator, sad, celebrator, celebrate what she represented for you, Celebrate
all the goodness that you had in that relationship. Make
it a celebration. Don't make it depressing, don't make it
a grieving. Okay, you should grieve for a period of
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time to the point where you're done grieving, and then
turn it into a celebration, a celebration of who she was,
of what her life representative, what she represented to you, celebrator.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
I think that goes right to the point that you
were making, is that we don't fully grieve at the time.
The events that have happened have allowed us to fully
express the grief at that moment.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
Right Because if you're a male, it's not appropriate for
you to show emotion, which I just think is ridiculous.
I think the stronger person of if you have a
male who's willing to express his grief and his sadness,
et cetera versus one who's going to that grief and sadness,
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the one who expresses it is significantly stronger than the
one who represses it, because to express that level of emotion,
you have to be vulnerable, and to open yourself up
to that vulnerability requires more strength than it does to
defend your ability to be vulnerable.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
And would seem to me that a lot of times
that people that do that suppressing that the easier emotion
to access is something like anger, so that you may
see the repressed emotions expressing themselves in a different way altogether. Right.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
And so the thing about anger is anger is one
step below you taking your power back, and all the
other motions that come below anger are you being more
and more and more affected by the emotion. So as
you move up the scale of emotions, when you finally
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get to anger, that's one step before you take ownership
and take your power back. So it's okay to express anger.
But whether you have grief, whether you have low self esteem,
whether you have fear, whether whatever those emotions happen to be,
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there's a stair step if you will, of how to
let go of the emotions so that you move up
the stairs and when you finally get to anger, okay,
it's about taking responsibility and offering forgiveness, and ultimately you
have to offer forgiveness to yourself for having lost sight
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of the fact that you actually control the whole thing
to begin with.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
Now you're talking about a staircase of emotions and the
progression there that we've also heard about the stages of
grief that a person goes, so can you talk a
little bit about what those are?
Speaker 2 (34:02):
So the stages of grief a person goes through to
release the emotion. The first stage is denial. You're going
to deny that the circumstance is actually occurring or that
it happened. Okay. Then you get into anger, where you're
trying to take your power back, but you still haven't
taken it back. So then you get into a thing
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called bargaining. Okay. Then you can get to the place
of depression, which is along the same lines of anger.
It's just one's held in versus one is expressed. And
then finally you get to the stage of acceptance. And
so moving through those five stages is important for a
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person to go through fully in order to overcome their grief.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
Yeah, and I would think that you may cycle through
some degree of acceptance, but then come back to being
angry and return to depression and come back to at
the bargaining.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
Right, you're going to cycle through that as many times
as you need to cycle through it in order to
overcome and finally process the grief fully. And sometimes it's
better to have somebody to help you through that process
so that they can help you manage those stages more
efficiently so that you can move beyond your grief in
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a healthy fashion. You will have handled it fully and
then it's no longer an issue.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
Well, that would be a I mean, that would obviously
be the thing that you would want to do, is
be able to move on with the healing that this
is really everything that we're talking about. Yes, well, this
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Speaker 1 (36:40):
We're talking about grief and lung health, and we talked
a lot about the grief issue. Are there other less
major emotions that may be associated with the lungs, including
just being sad?
Speaker 2 (36:54):
Yes, there's grief, there's sadness, there's yearning, there's cloudy thinking, anguish, crying,
feeling defensive, feeling compelled to neatness meaning things have to
be clean or have to be a particular way. Confusion,
wishing for something, and rigid thinking or being dogmatic are
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all the emotions that impact the lungs and impact the
large intestine as they're both part of the metal element.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
M NO. I mean when we talk about grief, you
know we've talked about more on the personal level, but
what about grief for something like global issues, like we're
facing a lot of things, a lot of problems around
the world, wars and things like that. Do those kind
of things also have effects on your lung health.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
Well, that's up to the individual. I sometimes feel grief
over the state of the world and the lack of
focusing on humanity and the cruelty to animals, and the
last white rhino dying, etc. Those are things. They're just
sad that humans have done what humans have done and
they've impacted like the species of the rhino, that there'll
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never be another group of those Why because the last
male died. Now there may be something they can do
as far as cloning goes, and I'm not too uncertain
that that won't happen. But in terms of how nature
created the rhinos to have the rhinos hunted to the
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point where the last male died and it was a
noted occasion that went on, I agree for that. I
agree for humanity and their inability to understand the value
of life, of all life, and that you know we're
all under the Kingdom of God, and that we need
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to honor all the life that God has created and
not think that we have the right to destroy it
in an effort to create profit. I just find that retarded.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
Yeah, I guess one of the problems will be is
that people become so overwhelmed with these emotions of grief
that they start to become more or less incapacitated. So
how do you help somebody keep their head above water
if they're just being so consumed by all these dark emotions.
Speaker 2 (39:22):
Well, I sit with them, I allow them to express
what it is that they're feeling. I help to guide
them through what it is that they're feeling, and help
them to feel it fully, create a safe environment and
for which them to do that, and in the process
of them being in that environment again, help them to
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release that and express that grief fully so that they
can get to a place where it's no longer trapped
within them and won't come back to bite them at
some future time, simply because it would would have still
been lurking about.
Speaker 1 (40:02):
Yeah. I guess when that stuff is sort of like
an infection, I guess it's in your system. It's like,
unless you get it out, unless you get it completely resolved,
it's going to be there inside you and be potentially
a problem.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
Right, And so when somebody you mentioned one and to
keep their head above water. I just tell them to
become a duck, allow the water of life to simply
flow off your back. Become efficient at feeling and releasing,
focus on where you are going, and be grateful for
where you've been. And you know, like we were saying
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in earlier section, that when you're grieving the loss of
a loved one, find a way to transfer that grief
into a celebration and again celebrate who they were and
what they represented to you and the gifts that you
were given as a result of the time that you
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guys were together, and find ways to do that. You know,
I don't spend really any time at all thinking about
death and thinking about the longevity that I have or
my life coming to an end anytime soon. And I
suppose that a later stage of my life I may
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actually begin to contemplate that, because I see a lot
of senior citizens, you know, reflect on their life and
what their life meant and go through that reconciliation within
themselves about who they are and what have they been
productive as a human being, and the grief process that
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goes along with that. And I truly want to look
back on my life and not have any regrets and
celebrate the experiences that I've had and the people that
I've helped over the number of years that I've spent
time doing this. I just always want to find a
way to see the goodness in the situation and in
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the people involved in the situation, and not get stuck
in reminiscing and celebrating anniversaries that represent things like September eleventh.
Speaker 1 (42:22):
Well, it's interesting that you talk about people getting older
in the senior years of life and when they may
feel somebody may feel that death is closer. It does
seem that there are a lot of people that go
through that process, and there's a grieving process that comes
along with aging, so that is not even necessarily I
think you mentioned this in our first section about that
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the loss doesn't necessarily mean death. You could lose certain abilities.
Speaker 2 (42:49):
You should lose your driving privileges.
Speaker 1 (42:51):
You're driving privileges, and.
Speaker 2 (42:54):
For somebody that is now either forced to depend on
somebody else to take them where they want to go,
or they have to give up going places all together.
You know, have a good friend of mine whose mom
is in a senior home, and it's a very nice
senior song, and she's very very well taken care of,
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and she doesn't want for anything. And I suppose, you know,
being on the other side of a hundred, that you
have a different perspective about life and you're just, you know,
truly happy to have another day and to wake up
and to continue to participate in your life. And you know,
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I plan on living a very very long time, significantly
longer than the average person does. And because I just
want to see what life becomes for somebody that age.
Speaker 1 (43:50):
Well, I watched it somebody that you know, I watched
My mother, who is in her late nineties, has watched
so many of the people that are the people that
she in her life, or her husband, her cousins, her
friends or high school friends all have passed away before her,
and that she is now more and more feeling bereft
(44:11):
of the loneliness that comes from all those losses, right,
and the grief that's associated with that. So for somebody
that is getting older and maybe listening to the show
who's out there, they may be going through a process
of grief that doesn't necessarily associate with the loss of
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somebody particularly, It may be lost within themselves. So how
do you address that kind of emotion in the person,
Because I know you see a lot of people who
are even dealing with life ending potential illnesses and they're
going through those processes.
Speaker 2 (44:47):
Are there family members who are gonna be the ones
who survive the person who ends up passing. So it's again,
it's just important to sit with else people and to
hold space with them and for them and allow them
to express whatever it is that they need to express.
(45:10):
And there are times where they don't even know what
to express and we just end up sitting in silence together,
and just I want them to know that I'm there
for them and that I will hold space with them
and whatever they want to talk about, whatever they want
to express, I'm happy to listen. If they want a
different perspective, I'm happy to give them a perspective, But
(45:32):
I won't offer them a different perspective unless they ask
for it. You know, if they're not asking me, well,
what do you think, doctor Rick, then I'm not going
to offer it at all, because I'm going to allow
them the space and I'm going to give them the
respect that they deserve to go through the process of
healing whatever it is that they've ultimately lost, and it's
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just important to honor them by giving them the space
to express what they need to express based upon whatever
the loss is.
Speaker 1 (46:06):
Yeah, I mean, because when you're dealing with that loss,
it's something that is no longer there with you, and
so there's an empty space. So to be able to
share with somebody in that space while they're feeling that
emptiness is something that's profoundly beneficial to them. Now, you
mentioned that you do a processor. You use what is
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it to any tea?
Speaker 2 (46:27):
Yes, neuro emotional technique or any t and so how.
Speaker 1 (46:31):
Does that help somebody going through some kind of emotional
changes like a grieving process.
Speaker 2 (46:37):
Well, when you're dealing with any particular emotion, there's an
organ or a gland associated with that holds that emotional energy.
So since we're talking about grief, we know what happens
to be the lungs and there are acupuncture points Meridian
access points is more accurately meridian access points. You have
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three on each wrist, okay, and you have superficial reflexes
and then you have deep reflexes and that will access
different organs or glands depending upon which point that you're on.
So when we have a particular emotion that impacts the lungs.
We go to the lung point, which happens to be
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on the left wrist okay, right at the base of
the thumb, and we will have them hold that point
either with light pressure or with deep pressure.
Speaker 1 (47:35):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (47:36):
We will have them put their hand on their forehead,
and then in their mind, in their mind's eye, they're
replaying the film that they have or the feeling that
they have. Some people are visual and they can play
a film. Some people are not visual, and they garner
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it more as a feeling. But however, they access that
emotion as long as they're hooked up to the lung
point and the emotional point, and they access the emotion,
and then they breathe through that emotion as they review
it again and again and again, you will get to
a point where that energy releases from you and then
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it's no longer there. And when we're done and they
think that they're done, then I will check them to
see if there's anything residual in there, any ancillary emotion
that was attached to the let's say the grief, and
we will just try to clear anything and everything associated
with what's causing them to feel grief.
Speaker 1 (48:40):
So you're using that seven thousand year old Chinese medical
theory that has been around for thousands of years and
coordinating that with some other more contemporary knowledge base or
research that's been done on how to process through specifically
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emotions and how they affect the mind. Yeah, and so
now with that you have a technique or the one
of the kinds of.
Speaker 2 (49:09):
Well I was gifted to technique by a fascinating man
by the name of Scott Walker, and he and his
wife developed and promoted and created the whole Neuroemotional technique technique.
I was one of the first hundred practitioners to become
certified in that technique, and I spent a large number
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of years earlier on in my career going to every
single seminar that he offered and working on my own
emotions and learning how to support others go through their emotions.
He would have a seminar three or four times a
year where the healer gets to go get healed, and
those are always fascinating weeks and did a lot of great,
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great healing and created a lot of great bonds with
other practitioners from around the country and even around the world.
I went to Australia to do an emotional healing week
and it's just it's a fascinating technique and it gives
you back to yourself and it allows you to see
things more objectively instead of looking at it through an
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emotional lens. You get to see things for what they
are because you're not being re stimulated by emotions that
are buried in your unconscious mind.
Speaker 1 (50:26):
I mean getting them from the unconscious mind into your
conscious awareness and then releasing them. That's kind of the
process you're talking about. Yeah, and that's something that you
actually can do in the office and help people in
that process.
Speaker 2 (50:41):
To do it all the time, and it's so valuable.
The people are so grateful for what they've reviewed and
learned and released for themselves. And it's just it's tremendously
giving back to yourself, yourself that has been clouded in
emotions and you not being able to see the world
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and not be your authentic self. It gives all of
that back to the individual.
Speaker 1 (51:07):
I mean, it does seem like from what you described
how it happens that you're doing. It's a self healing mechanism.
Speaker 2 (51:13):
It is, and it's just I help facilitate and get
them into the right space, holding the right point, with
the right emotional memory associated with the emotional point, and
then it helped them engage in their breathing and watch
them go through their breathing and their breathing pattern changes
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as they're releasing the emotion, and it's you know, when
I used to do it regularly, I would be clouded
going into the process, and I knew I was done
because everything became absolutely crystal clear and crisp. There was
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no blurred edges, there was no cloudiness, It was just
all perfect.
Speaker 1 (52:04):
Interesting. Well, this is something that I know that people
listening to the show and may be intrigued by what
we're talking about today and have their own desire to
process through their emotions, particularly grief at this time of year.
If people want to reach out to you, what are
the best ways to make that call and talk to
you directly?
Speaker 2 (52:22):
Well, call me directly on my cell which is area
code eight four five five six one two two two
five again eight four five five six one two two
two five. It is my direct cell phone number. If
you must text, you can text, but it may take
me longer to get back to you than if you
call me. If you want to text, I would ask
(52:42):
you to email me because I probably get back to
my emails more efficient than my texts. My email address
is doc Ric doc Riick at spineboy dot com Again
doc Rick at spineboy dot com. And if you just
want to get some information and understanding before you call me,
go to spineboy dot com. It's a plethora of information.
(53:05):
It's over five hundred and fifty pages of healthful information. Uh,
it's a wealth of knowledge and support for you. But
whatever it takes, I'm here to help you, and I
would be happy to help you. So I want to
thank you for tuning in this week. Mark, I want
to thank you for putting the show together. As always,
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I would ask the listener to tune back in next week,
same health time, same health station. This is doctor Richard
on tune from Advanced Alternative Medicine Center saying I look
forward to supporting you when you're health matters.
Speaker 1 (53:42):
Be my physician, he said, you're definitely ill. Then to
the nurse, I've seen worse of the doctor.
Speaker 2 (53:48):
Just gave me a pill.
Speaker 1 (53:49):
Take one of those three times a day. Don't ever
stop until you're dearly.
Speaker 2 (53:54):
Data all the better keep out of the region of children.
Speaker 1 (53:57):
The things that might be some side effects.
Speaker 3 (54:00):
He will well limit effect.
Speaker 1 (54:01):
Can't come back, and I'll give you one out of
the film on top of that, on top of that,
on top of that, on top of that, on top
of that, on top of that, and.
Speaker 3 (54:10):
Then he showed me his bill.
Speaker 1 (54:13):
I pupped another pill. Arnett out of their headache has
become a pain in the butt. What was just an
itchy finger, now was the swollen. Put doctor ripe An
out of bread. And I've never walked up a hill.
Speaker 2 (54:28):
Avoid all died from exercise.
Speaker 1 (54:30):
I rather give you a bill. The thing is that
some side effects bring the probably will well limits effect.
Speaker 4 (54:37):
Just come back and I'll give you one other pill.
Speaker 2 (54:40):
On top of that, on top of that, on top
of that, on top of that, on top.
Speaker 1 (54:44):
Of that, on top of that. Then he showed me
his bill. I popped another bill.
Let's be my physician.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
He said, you're definitely ill than to the nurse.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
I've seen worse than the doctor. Just gave me a pill.
Take one of those three times today. You don't never
stop on till you're dearly dinner. Awful. Better keep out
of the region. Children.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
The thing has been some side effects, you mean probably
will well.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Limits of fact, you can't come.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
I'll give you another film. On top of that, on
top of that, on top of that, on top of that,
on top of that, on top.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Of that, and many showed me his bill. I've popped
another pill.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Welcome to When Your Health Matters. Your host is doctor
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It's his intention to offer practical advice every week for
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Speaker 4 (01:23):
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Speaker 2 (01:27):
Welcome to this week's show, When Your Health Matters, the
show designed to empower you to better health through knowledge
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Advanced Alternative Medicine Center. And here's my partner for the show,
your health Advocate, Mark saban.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Well, Doc Rick. Is the season of falls surrounds us
the Chinese element theory, the five element theory shifts from
the earth element to the metal element. So what happens
to the natural energies as we move toward the season
of fall?
Speaker 2 (01:58):
As we move through the natural energies of expansion and contraction,
which is what happens. You expand like taking air in,
and then you contract when you're letting air out. Fall
is the beginning of the contraction phase in the yearly
cycle after the height of summer, and this corresponds to
the metal element and consists of the lungs, the large intestine,
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and the skin. And so the energies begin to constrict,
and things in nature begin to move through the dying season,
and leaves and plants begin to close down for the
winter months in December.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Huh. So what are the qualities of metal that actually
relate to how this goes towards your health.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Well, metal associates with clarity, organization, discipline, and the ability
to let go of what no longer serves you. Being strong,
clear and focused about things and knowing when it's time
to let go of things. This helps keep the body
and the mound and balanced, especially as the seasons change.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Now, what you said at the beginning was that this
relates to the lungs. So how are the lungs associated
with the element of metal.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Well, the metal element consists of the lungs, large intestine,
and skin and are about letting go. And fall is
the time nature lets go, and we need to honor
that relationship. And so the beginning part has to do
with breathing and respiration and the taking of air in
and the releasing of carbon dioxide as a waste product,
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and being able to properly breathe fully into the lungs
and fully out of the lung so that.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
X scaling process is really the letting go part of
the breath. Correct. Okay, So now can you describe before
us a little bit how the lungs look and how
they work.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
The lungs are like two large sponges, and they have
the same consistency as a sponge. The right lung has
three lobes and upper, a middle, and a lower, and
the left lung has two loves with an upper and
a lower. They are very passive in that they receive
air and release air with the help of other muscles,
the diaphragm being significant in the functioning of the lungs.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
So you mean that the lungs aren't actually what does
the work of the breathing? How do they actually take
the air in and expel it? How does those processes work? Well?
Speaker 2 (04:22):
When we inhale, air is brought through the nose and
the mouth to the trachea and then the bronchi and
the bronchioles, and then the lungs proper. The smallest level
of the lungs are called the alveoli, and the exchange
with the blood drop with the blood drops off the oxygen,
and then it exchanges it with the waste product, which
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is carbon dioxide that it's being transported back from the tissues.
The waste product is then exhaled out of the respiratory
system before repeating the cycle.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
So you mentioned the diaphragm. What is the diaphragm and
how does it work.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
So, the diaphragm is a specialized muscle that expands and
contracts to pull air into the lungs and squeeze air
out of the lungs. It's attached to the rib cage itself.
It is a unique muscle in the fact that it
expands across the whole middle of the what separates the
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thoracic cavity, which are the lungs, heart, and the esophagus,
from the abdominal cavity, which is all your digestive organs,
et cetera, starting with the stomach below the diaphragm. And
so the diaphragm is a emotional processor. Assuming that you
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breathe the way that you're supposed to, which means expanding
the diaphragm and moving the abdominal contents out of the way.
So when you belly breathe and you take air all
the way into the lungs. The lungs filled down with
the help of the diaphragm, allowing them to expand, pushing
the abdominal organs out of the way, which causes the
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belly to pop out like a little Buddha belly. And
then when you release the air out of the lungs
and the lungs contract, the diaphragm contracts, and the abdominal
cavity also shrinks and gets smaller. So when you breathe in,
the belly comes out, and when you breathe out, the
belly comes in, whereas most people breathe backwards. When they breathe,
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they fill their lungs and they paralyze the diaphragm and
they breathe above the diaphragm, and then when they exhale,
they release the air from the lungs. That way, but
it's not ideal, it's not balanced, and it actually reverses
the way that the body takes in oxygen in an
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efficient manner. It becomes less efficient because you're not involving
the diaphragm. Now, the other aspect of the diaphragm that
I mentioned is the emotions. So the expand and contracting
of the diaphragm actually helps you process and release your emotions.
And so if you are an emotional person, it's important
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to make sure that you're activating your diaphragm. Everybody knows
that when you're at a funeral, or when somebody passes,
or when something is very grief filled for you and
a person is trying to get that air into their
lungs and they're having difficulty with that, if they would
just relax and allow the breathing to take place, that
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would help to facilitate the passing of the grief in
a much healthier way.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
That's interesting now, I mean, is the diaphragm doing the
most of the work. Is it doing all of the
work or are there other muscles involved with the breathing process.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Well, there are. The diaphragm is the primary muscle, but
we also have the intercostal muscles between the ribs which
help to elevate and lower the ribs when we're breathing
in and out. Then there's some muscles associated with the chest,
your pectoralis muscles and your seratus anterior muscles which attach
to the rib cage. And then you have muscles in
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the back that line the spine that attached to each
of the ribs that go up, and so there's many
muscles that are associated with the elevation and the dissension
of the ribs which assist in the breathing and the
expansion of the rib cage as one fills the lungs
with air.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
So when somebody's not properly breathing, are they relying on
those other muscles and the diaphragm is going to being
cut out of the equation.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
The diaphragm is being held in place, the emotions aren't
being processed, and so the lungs themselves, everything above the
diaphragm then works extra to make up for the fact
that the diaphragm isn't involved. And again that creates stress
within the respiratory system and can create shortness of breath
that can create asthma. Over time, it can create COPD.
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So it's important for people to make sure that they
are belly breathing. And what's fascinating is what I've seen
over the number of years that I've helped people with
their breathing and taught them how to breathe properly. When
a person lays down.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
At night.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
And they're truly relaxed to go to sleep, they will
begin belly breathing. When they're stuck in their head and
they're overthinking, then they're going to be chest breathing. And
so it's important when you lay down at night and
you stop your thinking and you just concentrate on your breath,
you will understand what belly breathing is about. And then
(09:41):
when you stand up, people get back into their head
and they immediately paralyze their diaphragm and they go back
to chest breathing instead of belly breathing. So it would
be important to bring the belly breathing from laying down
to the standing position so that you can get more
value out of the air and make your body w
work more efficiently.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
Well, that's really interesting. Now you mentioned a couple of
health things. You mentioned asthma and COPD. What other sorts
of health problems does improper breathing lead to.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Well, the asthma, the COPD, we can pull in their emphysema, bronchitis,
bronchial problems. They're all bronchial problems. Your bronchioles are the
tubes that branch off the trachea and then fan out
to set up the major pipes in and out of
the lungs. They connect to the bronchioles before they become
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the alveoli of the lungs themselves. And so if you
get inflammation in any of those areas and you have
trouble exhaling, that's when the air gets trapped and the
person feels almost like they're suffocating because you can't get
the air out and it's extremely uncomfortable. And so for
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people that get asthma, it's important for them to always
have their inhaler with and around them. And it's important
to make sure that you take care of your lungs
and the health of your lungs and breathe properly so
that you don't eventually develop these copds or chronic obstructive
pulmonary diseases.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
And those are largely from not breathing properly for a lifetime.
Are there other causes that would lead to lung problems?
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Certainly if you're a smoker, that would lead to lung problems. Yeah,
if you work in an area that has got lots
of pollution and you're not breathing clean air on a
regular basis that will create lung problems. And so when
you got chronic obstructive pulmonary disease, the emphasis on the
chronic part means that you've been in an environment and
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not been doing things appropriately for a very long time,
and over that time period, then the lungs have a
tendency to fibrose and the tissues don't expand and contract
the way that there's supposed to, and it just makes
the breathing, the whole apparatus of breathing less efficient.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
And that apparatus is more than just the lungs as
we've just described. So when somebody gets fluid in their lungs,
which is something that I hear where you know people
can if you drown, isn't that because you've got fluid
in your lungs and you can't really breathe.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Well, yeah, if you inhale fluid into your lungs, you
know that's drowning. But you can get fluid in the
lungs from dysfunctional lungs that allow fluid to accumulate instead
of clearing the fluid, and that happens as people get sick.
The byproduct of the sickness creates more inflammation, and that
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leads to the fluid. It occupies the lungs.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Now beyond just the organ of the lungs. In Chinese medicine,
we talk about the meridians associated with it. So what
are the other problems that might be associated with the
meridian from the lungs.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
Well, you're gonna definitely get shoulder issues because the lungs
control your shoulders, and then the lung meridian itself goes
down the arm into the hand, So you could have
problems in the shoulder, in the elbow, in the forearm,
in the wrist, or in a couple of the fingers
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within the hand itself, because that's where the meridian goes.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
Mm hm. Now we talked about the fluid and the lungs.
You didn't mention pneumonia. What is pneumonia? Does that a
lung disorder?
Speaker 2 (13:35):
A pneumonia is a bacterial infection creating problems for the
lungs where the infection then resides.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
And there's something called plurisy. What is that?
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Plurisy is inflammation of the outer protective coating of the lungs,
known as the pleura. So when you get inflammation of
the pleura, that outer protective covering of the lungs. Then
you get pleurisy, and that can create fluid between the
pleura and the lung itself, and ultimately that keeps the
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lungs from expanding the way that they're supposed to because
the fluid is applying pressure to the outer part of
the lung.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
It sounds very uncomfortable.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
It can be uncomfortable. Any any thing that doesn't allow
you to breathe properly is going to be very uncomfortable
for the person with the issue.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
Yeah, no, I mean asthma, emphysema, COPD, bronchitis. But you
said those are bronchial problems, they are not necessarily lung problems.
How does that relate. I mean, obviously that's all connected.
But the lungs are where the oxygen transfers into the blood, right, so.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
The lungs getting air from those alveoli, out of the
lungs and out of the trichia, out of the nose,
out of the mouth. However you want to exhale. There
are a lot of people that talk about in different
disciplines where you breathe in through your nose and you
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breathe out through your mouth. Kind of thing. Getting the
air from the lungs back out of the body is important.
And when you get constriction within the bronchioles, when you
get constriction within the bronchial trach heal tree, and it
results in the COPD, it results in the asthma, those
(15:25):
kinds of things again, emphysema, It just becomes very uncomfortable
and it's very very difficult to manage. And I wouldn't
wish that upon anybody, And I would encourage people to
continue listening to what we'll probably end up talking about,
because I'm sure that I'm going to be offering what
(15:45):
you can do to help improve how your breathing functions.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
Right, I mean, because there are the conditions that affect
your lungs, then there's the basis of what you're breathing is.
And some of those things have to do not only
with health issues. I mean there could be other health issues.
You can have water accumulating in your bloodstream, maybe from
kidney problems or liver problems that could those affect your
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lungs as well.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
Ah, they can that the liver sys just below the diaphragm,
and so if the liver is having difficulties. It may
put pressure on the diaphragm, which won't allow for the
lungs to expand as much as they need to be
expanding in order to handle the volume of air coming
in and out, and therefore the body will make adjustments
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and allow less air in, which makes the person who
needs to get more air have issues because they're not
getting enough air.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
And I keep hearing about these people that are holding
their breath for inordinately long times, like people that can
dive free dive where they're not using oxygen like a
scuba diver, but they can actually hold their breath for
five or ten minutes even.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Well, I think ten minutes would be pretty outstanding. But
at the end of the day, you can train yourself
to become very efficient at getting value out of the
oxygen that you breathe. When I was probably twelve or thirteen,
we used to go to a lake at a camp
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called Sycamore and there was a main dock that went
out that came to a tee at the end, and
then there were a bunch of other docks that were
free floating out further beyond the tea, and that area
from the tee to the shore was the main swimming
area that everybody hung out in, and so we would
(17:38):
play hide and seek in the water. And so there
was a particular time where I was really really good
at holding my breath. I could literally hold my breath
for five minutes and I would just simply go hold
my breath and sit on the bottom of the lake.
And so everybody's you know, up at the top of
(17:58):
the water, swimming around trying to figure out and then
they would eventually recognize the fact that, well, where'd Rick go?
And they wouldn't know where I was, and you know,
like two or three minutes later than I would appear
and they would be like, where were You know, It's
like I was just sitting on the bottom of the
lad you know, holding my breath, and you know, I
(18:20):
trained myself to be able to do that, so you
can train yourself. And you mentioned the free divers. The
free divers are extraordinary people. They because they're going to
pretty deep parts of the water, and the deeper you go,
the more pressure there is, and the more pressure there is,
you know, the more challenging it's going to be to
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hold the oxygen in your tissues kind of thing. And
so it's a tremendous talent that they have and you know,
but it's something that you have to obviously have to
work up to.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
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Speaker 1 (19:49):
No, it might even seem a little bit obvious, but
why is grief associated with the lungs?
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Well, grief is considered the chief emotion of the lungs
and where grief is stored. This is because the lungs
are about letting go and grief is an emotion that
allows the person to express their sadness and related emotions
through the breath itself, so they're highly intertwined and related.
And that's essentially how the body processes grief is through
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your lungs.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
And now can grief have health implications on your lung health?
Speaker 2 (20:24):
Oh, absolutely, in a positive or negative way, depending upon
if you express the grief or repress the grief. If
you're repressing the grief, you're going to develop lung pathologies.
If you're expressing the grief, then your lungs will continue
to stay healthy. Uh huh.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
Now, on the opposite side of the grief emotion would
be laughter and that kind of thing. Was that also
be a lung related emotion?
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Yeah, it is, and it does. And laughter is the
releasing of positive emotion and can be significant when experiencing
a sincere and deep belly laugh.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Now, what happens when you're brief Your breath starts to
become very shallow.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Things get repressed as the diaphragm is not being fully
engaged in the process of to help you process the emotion,
and so you're going to continue to hold on to
that emotion, and it's going to affect how the lungs
function because that stagnant energy is just continuing to stay
around and it's not recycling fully.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Now, would that relates to hyperventilating when you're breathing very quickly.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
I guess it could be. You know, somebody who hyperventilates
is going through some kind of fear associated with whatever
it is that they're dealing with at the time, and
how that interacts with the lungs itself. You're not getting
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enough oxygen into the system because it's not taking long enough.
You're spending more time exhaling carbon dioxide than you are
taking in oxygen. And so one of the things that
I'm sure we've all at least become aware of that,
at least back when I was growing up as a kid,
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if somebody was hyperventilating, you'd give them a brown paper
bag for them to put over their mouth and just
to try to slow their breathing down and breathing in
and breathing out. And when you're exhaling the carbon dioxide.
What ends up happening is you overwhelm the system with
carbon dioxide and so the breathing comes back into control
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and balance again.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
So there's two things. One is the toxicity of the
carbon dioxide, but there's also you're being deprived of the
oxygen you need, right okay, now when you hold your
breath to suppress your emotions. Is that one of the
ways that people typically will go about trying to curtail
having any expression of their emotions.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Well, yeah, because the diaphragm, the emotional processor is not
allowed to move and it doesn't allow for the movement
of those emotions, and so people will have a tendency
to repress those emotions. And my concern for everybody in
humanity that does that is that they're going to eventually
develop lung pathology. And I would not wish that upon anybody.
(23:26):
So I would ask you to learn how to express
your grief and learn how to express those similar emotions
so that you're not creating lung issues, because not being
able to breathe and feeling like you're drowning because you
don't have the ability to get rid of your carbon
dioxide is just I can't emphasize enough how unpleasant that is.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
It just sounds terrible. And I've known people that had
COPD and it is really a very distressing disease to have. Now,
beyond letting your emotions out, we were talking before about
the emotion of grief, but are there other other events
than death that could stimulate grief? Sure, the loss of
(24:13):
a job, really.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
The loss of you know, I had a patient in
the other day that was grieving over the fact that
they were selling the home that they grew up in,
that there was left to them by their grandmother and
now they have to sell the home. So something like that.
So the loss of a job, the loss of a home,
having to move anywhere where, something that you value and
(24:42):
you emotionally invest in that comes to an end, is
going to support the expression of grief over it coming
to an end.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
And what happens when you don't allow yourself to actually
go through that experience of grief.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
You're going to end up, like we've been saying, You're
going to end up creating lung issues and respiratory issues
and it's not going to be pretty the longer you
do that.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
Now, would you say that many people are holding their
breath a lot of the time where they're not breathing.
I mean you said that.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
I watch people all the time who are constantly holding
their breath. Why because they're emotionally holding They don't want
to deal with their emotions. Therefore, their diaphragm gets paralyzed.
They don't engage their lungs the way that they're supposed to,
and they end up not breathing as often as they should.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
So if you were to just exercise your breathing, your
ability to breathe, would that also naturally then help you
express emotions.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
It would, and it would also help you release the
emotions that you've been holding onto for a long enough
period of time. And so one of the things that
helps people recycle their emotions is good, high quality aerobic
exercise to where there's a lot of breathing involved. Like
I can get on my bike and you know, cycle
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for an hour and if I get into the pace
that I can sustain without feeling like I'm putting effort,
I'm putting an effort, but I can go back to
breathing at a normal pace. So I have to push
myself on the bike to really get into you know,
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getting my lungs to work. But that's just because I've
trained myself to be highly efficient, and that started out
when I was a young kid and be able to
hold my breath for five minutes.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
Well, I mean I've watched like people who do heavy
lifting and things like that, they may hold their breath.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
Well, they hold their breath and an effort to create
more pressure in their core, which shuttles blood to their muscles,
which allows them to So Ideally, when you're lifting weights,
anytime you're pushing away, you want to be exhaling. But
most people hold their diaphragm and they use the pressure
that's built up within their system to motivate their muscles
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to lift a little bit more.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
It's pretty interesting. So when you talk about your processing
of all these emotions and this, and particularly of grief
in the overall sense of health. When you're seeing people
that are suffering from some form of grief, whether it's
from a lost job, or from somebody that has passed
(27:31):
away or the selling of a house, what do you
actually engage with them to actually help them process through
some of that emotion.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
Well, I'll stay with them and we'll use a technique
that is very valuable in all of this, which is
neuro emotional technique, and we will work specifically. If they
have an activated emotional reflex, then we will locate what
the emotions are. And if they have active grief and
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similar emotions going on in the at the time, then
we will help them process those emotions both from present
time and from when their body developed. The pattern of
holding on to those emotions will help to clean out
the barrel, so to speak, so that they can actually
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move on with their life and not carrying around so
much grief.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
Well, what happens when you come to an anniversary of
an event like that, with the anniversary of somebody that
has passed away, is that a time where those emotions
kind of cycle back.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
They sometimes do. And what I find somewhat ridiculous in
our society is the fact that we keep negative emotions
associated with negative memories. We keep them alive by celebrating
every year. You know, no disrespect to any I mean,
(29:00):
I was certainly around and impacted by what happened on
September eleventh, But what was fascinating was I observed what
society did and what the powers that be did with
nine to eleven. And there are a bunch of twenty
five to thirty year old children who are now adults,
who were at the time they were anywhere from five
(29:23):
to ten years old, who have in their unconscious mind
the belief that planes crashed into buildings all the time
because they saw the repeated camera angles of the three
planes fly into buildings. For over a year, they just
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kept showing it on the news, and they kept showing
it on the various stages of the news where there
was midday news, whether it was drive home news, evening news,
late night news. They just showed that over and over
and over, over and over again. And I remember thinking
to myself, there's going to be a whole bunch of
people that are going to have some serious lung issues
(30:08):
later on in life. And it's important for us to
help people to release their emotions. And I think that
we need to stop celebrating negative tragic events over and
over and over again.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
Well, is there a difference between celebrating and commemorating, And
how do you balance the fact that something that's happened
that's impacted your life and caused you grief that's continuing
that you need to cycle through. I mean, that's perhaps
different than what the media is doing in terms of
seeing the images over and over again. But Grandma died
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five years ago, and every year on her anniversary.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
Celebrator, sad, celebrator, celebrate what she represented for you, Celebrate
all the goodness that you had in that relationship. Make
it a celebration. Don't make it depressing, don't make it
a grieving. Okay, you should grieve for a period of
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time to the point where you're done grieving, and then
turn it into a celebration, a celebration of who she was,
of what her life representative, what she represented to you, celebrator.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
I think that goes right to the point that you
were making, is that we don't fully grieve at the time.
The events that have happened have allowed us to fully
express the grief at that moment.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
Right Because if you're a male, it's not appropriate for
you to show emotion, which I just think is ridiculous.
I think the stronger person of if you have a
male who's willing to express his grief and his sadness,
et cetera versus one who's going to that grief and sadness,
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the one who expresses it is significantly stronger than the
one who represses it, because to express that level of emotion,
you have to be vulnerable, and to open yourself up
to that vulnerability requires more strength than it does to
defend your ability to be vulnerable.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
And would seem to me that a lot of times
that people that do that suppressing that the easier emotion
to access is something like anger, so that you may
see the repressed emotions expressing themselves in a different way altogether. Right.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
And so the thing about anger is anger is one
step below you taking your power back, and all the
other motions that come below anger are you being more
and more and more affected by the emotion. So as
you move up the scale of emotions, when you finally
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get to anger, that's one step before you take ownership
and take your power back. So it's okay to express anger.
But whether you have grief, whether you have low self esteem,
whether you have fear, whether whatever those emotions happen to be,
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there's a stair step if you will, of how to
let go of the emotions so that you move up
the stairs and when you finally get to anger, okay,
it's about taking responsibility and offering forgiveness, and ultimately you
have to offer forgiveness to yourself for having lost sight
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of the fact that you actually control the whole thing
to begin with.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
Now you're talking about a staircase of emotions and the
progression there that we've also heard about the stages of
grief that a person goes, so can you talk a
little bit about what those are?
Speaker 2 (34:02):
So the stages of grief a person goes through to
release the emotion. The first stage is denial. You're going
to deny that the circumstance is actually occurring or that
it happened. Okay. Then you get into anger, where you're
trying to take your power back, but you still haven't
taken it back. So then you get into a thing
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called bargaining. Okay. Then you can get to the place
of depression, which is along the same lines of anger.
It's just one's held in versus one is expressed. And
then finally you get to the stage of acceptance. And
so moving through those five stages is important for a
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person to go through fully in order to overcome their grief.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
Yeah, and I would think that you may cycle through
some degree of acceptance, but then come back to being
angry and return to depression and come back to at
the bargaining.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
Right, you're going to cycle through that as many times
as you need to cycle through it in order to
overcome and finally process the grief fully. And sometimes it's
better to have somebody to help you through that process
so that they can help you manage those stages more
efficiently so that you can move beyond your grief in
(35:26):
a healthy fashion. You will have handled it fully and
then it's no longer an issue.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
Well, that would be a I mean, that would obviously
be the thing that you would want to do, is
be able to move on with the healing that this
is really everything that we're talking about. Yes, well, this
is a great conversation, Doc Rick. We do need to
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Speaker 1 (36:40):
We're talking about grief and lung health, and we talked
a lot about the grief issue. Are there other less
major emotions that may be associated with the lungs, including
just being sad?
Speaker 2 (36:54):
Yes, there's grief, there's sadness, there's yearning, there's cloudy thinking, anguish, crying,
feeling defensive, feeling compelled to neatness meaning things have to
be clean or have to be a particular way. Confusion,
wishing for something, and rigid thinking or being dogmatic are
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all the emotions that impact the lungs and impact the
large intestine as they're both part of the metal element.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
M NO. I mean when we talk about grief, you
know we've talked about more on the personal level, but
what about grief for something like global issues, like we're
facing a lot of things, a lot of problems around
the world, wars and things like that. Do those kind
of things also have effects on your lung health.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
Well, that's up to the individual. I sometimes feel grief
over the state of the world and the lack of
focusing on humanity and the cruelty to animals, and the
last white rhino dying, etc. Those are things. They're just
sad that humans have done what humans have done and
they've impacted like the species of the rhino, that there'll
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never be another group of those Why because the last
male died. Now there may be something they can do
as far as cloning goes, and I'm not too uncertain
that that won't happen. But in terms of how nature
created the rhinos to have the rhinos hunted to the
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point where the last male died and it was a
noted occasion that went on, I agree for that. I
agree for humanity and their inability to understand the value
of life, of all life, and that you know we're
all under the Kingdom of God, and that we need
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to honor all the life that God has created and
not think that we have the right to destroy it
in an effort to create profit. I just find that retarded.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
Yeah, I guess one of the problems will be is
that people become so overwhelmed with these emotions of grief
that they start to become more or less incapacitated. So
how do you help somebody keep their head above water
if they're just being so consumed by all these dark emotions.
Speaker 2 (39:22):
Well, I sit with them, I allow them to express
what it is that they're feeling. I help to guide
them through what it is that they're feeling, and help
them to feel it fully, create a safe environment and
for which them to do that, and in the process
of them being in that environment again, help them to
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release that and express that grief fully so that they
can get to a place where it's no longer trapped
within them and won't come back to bite them at
some future time, simply because it would would have still
been lurking about.
Speaker 1 (40:02):
Yeah. I guess when that stuff is sort of like
an infection, I guess it's in your system. It's like,
unless you get it out, unless you get it completely resolved,
it's going to be there inside you and be potentially
a problem.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
Right, And so when somebody you mentioned one and to
keep their head above water. I just tell them to
become a duck, allow the water of life to simply
flow off your back. Become efficient at feeling and releasing,
focus on where you are going, and be grateful for
where you've been. And you know, like we were saying
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in earlier section, that when you're grieving the loss of
a loved one, find a way to transfer that grief
into a celebration and again celebrate who they were and
what they represented to you and the gifts that you
were given as a result of the time that you
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guys were together, and find ways to do that. You know,
I don't spend really any time at all thinking about
death and thinking about the longevity that I have or
my life coming to an end anytime soon. And I
suppose that a later stage of my life I may
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actually begin to contemplate that, because I see a lot
of senior citizens, you know, reflect on their life and
what their life meant and go through that reconciliation within
themselves about who they are and what have they been
productive as a human being, and the grief process that
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goes along with that. And I truly want to look
back on my life and not have any regrets and
celebrate the experiences that I've had and the people that
I've helped over the number of years that I've spent
time doing this. I just always want to find a
way to see the goodness in the situation and in
(42:09):
the people involved in the situation, and not get stuck
in reminiscing and celebrating anniversaries that represent things like September eleventh.
Speaker 1 (42:22):
Well, it's interesting that you talk about people getting older
in the senior years of life and when they may
feel somebody may feel that death is closer. It does
seem that there are a lot of people that go
through that process, and there's a grieving process that comes
along with aging, so that is not even necessarily I
think you mentioned this in our first section about that
(42:45):
the loss doesn't necessarily mean death. You could lose certain abilities.
Speaker 2 (42:49):
You should lose your driving privileges.
Speaker 1 (42:51):
You're driving privileges, and.
Speaker 2 (42:54):
For somebody that is now either forced to depend on
somebody else to take them where they want to go,
or they have to give up going places all together.
You know, have a good friend of mine whose mom
is in a senior home, and it's a very nice
senior song, and she's very very well taken care of,
(43:16):
and she doesn't want for anything. And I suppose, you know,
being on the other side of a hundred, that you
have a different perspective about life and you're just, you know,
truly happy to have another day and to wake up
and to continue to participate in your life. And you know,
(43:38):
I plan on living a very very long time, significantly
longer than the average person does. And because I just
want to see what life becomes for somebody that age.
Speaker 1 (43:50):
Well, I watched it somebody that you know, I watched
My mother, who is in her late nineties, has watched
so many of the people that are the people that
she in her life, or her husband, her cousins, her
friends or high school friends all have passed away before her,
and that she is now more and more feeling bereft
(44:11):
of the loneliness that comes from all those losses, right,
and the grief that's associated with that. So for somebody
that is getting older and maybe listening to the show
who's out there, they may be going through a process
of grief that doesn't necessarily associate with the loss of
(44:31):
somebody particularly, It may be lost within themselves. So how
do you address that kind of emotion in the person,
Because I know you see a lot of people who
are even dealing with life ending potential illnesses and they're
going through those processes.
Speaker 2 (44:47):
Are there family members who are gonna be the ones
who survive the person who ends up passing. So it's again,
it's just important to sit with else people and to
hold space with them and for them and allow them
to express whatever it is that they need to express.
(45:10):
And there are times where they don't even know what
to express and we just end up sitting in silence together,
and just I want them to know that I'm there
for them and that I will hold space with them
and whatever they want to talk about, whatever they want
to express, I'm happy to listen. If they want a
different perspective, I'm happy to give them a perspective, But
(45:32):
I won't offer them a different perspective unless they ask
for it. You know, if they're not asking me, well,
what do you think, doctor Rick, then I'm not going
to offer it at all, because I'm going to allow
them the space and I'm going to give them the
respect that they deserve to go through the process of
healing whatever it is that they've ultimately lost, and it's
(45:57):
just important to honor them by giving them the space
to express what they need to express based upon whatever
the loss is.
Speaker 1 (46:06):
Yeah, I mean, because when you're dealing with that loss,
it's something that is no longer there with you, and
so there's an empty space. So to be able to
share with somebody in that space while they're feeling that
emptiness is something that's profoundly beneficial to them. Now, you
mentioned that you do a processor. You use what is
(46:26):
it to any tea?
Speaker 2 (46:27):
Yes, neuro emotional technique or any t and so how.
Speaker 1 (46:31):
Does that help somebody going through some kind of emotional
changes like a grieving process.
Speaker 2 (46:37):
Well, when you're dealing with any particular emotion, there's an
organ or a gland associated with that holds that emotional energy.
So since we're talking about grief, we know what happens
to be the lungs and there are acupuncture points Meridian
access points is more accurately meridian access points. You have
(46:59):
three on each wrist, okay, and you have superficial reflexes
and then you have deep reflexes and that will access
different organs or glands depending upon which point that you're on.
So when we have a particular emotion that impacts the lungs.
We go to the lung point, which happens to be
(47:22):
on the left wrist okay, right at the base of
the thumb, and we will have them hold that point
either with light pressure or with deep pressure.
Speaker 1 (47:35):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (47:36):
We will have them put their hand on their forehead,
and then in their mind, in their mind's eye, they're
replaying the film that they have or the feeling that
they have. Some people are visual and they can play
a film. Some people are not visual, and they garner
(47:56):
it more as a feeling. But however, they access that
emotion as long as they're hooked up to the lung
point and the emotional point, and they access the emotion,
and then they breathe through that emotion as they review
it again and again and again, you will get to
a point where that energy releases from you and then
(48:21):
it's no longer there. And when we're done and they
think that they're done, then I will check them to
see if there's anything residual in there, any ancillary emotion
that was attached to the let's say the grief, and
we will just try to clear anything and everything associated
with what's causing them to feel grief.
Speaker 1 (48:40):
So you're using that seven thousand year old Chinese medical
theory that has been around for thousands of years and
coordinating that with some other more contemporary knowledge base or
research that's been done on how to process through specifically
(49:01):
emotions and how they affect the mind. Yeah, and so
now with that you have a technique or the one
of the kinds of.
Speaker 2 (49:09):
Well I was gifted to technique by a fascinating man
by the name of Scott Walker, and he and his
wife developed and promoted and created the whole Neuroemotional technique technique.
I was one of the first hundred practitioners to become
certified in that technique, and I spent a large number
(49:30):
of years earlier on in my career going to every
single seminar that he offered and working on my own
emotions and learning how to support others go through their emotions.
He would have a seminar three or four times a
year where the healer gets to go get healed, and
those are always fascinating weeks and did a lot of great,
(49:54):
great healing and created a lot of great bonds with
other practitioners from around the country and even around the world.
I went to Australia to do an emotional healing week
and it's just it's a fascinating technique and it gives
you back to yourself and it allows you to see
things more objectively instead of looking at it through an
(50:15):
emotional lens. You get to see things for what they
are because you're not being re stimulated by emotions that
are buried in your unconscious mind.
Speaker 1 (50:26):
I mean getting them from the unconscious mind into your
conscious awareness and then releasing them. That's kind of the
process you're talking about. Yeah, and that's something that you
actually can do in the office and help people in
that process.
Speaker 2 (50:41):
To do it all the time, and it's so valuable.
The people are so grateful for what they've reviewed and
learned and released for themselves. And it's just it's tremendously
giving back to yourself, yourself that has been clouded in
emotions and you not being able to see the world
(51:01):
and not be your authentic self. It gives all of
that back to the individual.
Speaker 1 (51:07):
I mean, it does seem like from what you described
how it happens that you're doing. It's a self healing mechanism.
Speaker 2 (51:13):
It is, and it's just I help facilitate and get
them into the right space, holding the right point, with
the right emotional memory associated with the emotional point, and
then it helped them engage in their breathing and watch
them go through their breathing and their breathing pattern changes
(51:34):
as they're releasing the emotion, and it's you know, when
I used to do it regularly, I would be clouded
going into the process, and I knew I was done
because everything became absolutely crystal clear and crisp. There was
(51:57):
no blurred edges, there was no cloudiness, It was just
all perfect.
Speaker 1 (52:04):
Interesting. Well, this is something that I know that people
listening to the show and may be intrigued by what
we're talking about today and have their own desire to
process through their emotions, particularly grief at this time of year.
If people want to reach out to you, what are
the best ways to make that call and talk to
you directly?
Speaker 2 (52:22):
Well, call me directly on my cell which is area
code eight four five five six one two two two
five again eight four five five six one two two
two five. It is my direct cell phone number. If
you must text, you can text, but it may take
me longer to get back to you than if you
call me. If you want to text, I would ask
(52:42):
you to email me because I probably get back to
my emails more efficient than my texts. My email address
is doc Ric doc Riick at spineboy dot com Again
doc Rick at spineboy dot com. And if you just
want to get some information and understanding before you call me,
go to spineboy dot com. It's a plethora of information.
(53:05):
It's over five hundred and fifty pages of healthful information. Uh,
it's a wealth of knowledge and support for you. But
whatever it takes, I'm here to help you, and I
would be happy to help you. So I want to
thank you for tuning in this week. Mark, I want
to thank you for putting the show together. As always,
(53:25):
I would ask the listener to tune back in next week,
same health time, same health station. This is doctor Richard
on tune from Advanced Alternative Medicine Center saying I look
forward to supporting you when you're health matters.
Speaker 1 (53:42):
Be my physician, he said, you're definitely ill. Then to
the nurse, I've seen worse of the doctor.
Speaker 2 (53:48):
Just gave me a pill.
Speaker 1 (53:49):
Take one of those three times a day. Don't ever
stop until you're dearly.
Speaker 2 (53:54):
Data all the better keep out of the region of children.
Speaker 1 (53:57):
The things that might be some side effects.
Speaker 3 (54:00):
He will well limit effect.
Speaker 1 (54:01):
Can't come back, and I'll give you one out of
the film on top of that, on top of that,
on top of that, on top of that, on top
of that, on top of that, and.
Speaker 3 (54:10):
Then he showed me his bill.
Speaker 1 (54:13):
I pupped another pill. Arnett out of their headache has
become a pain in the butt. What was just an
itchy finger, now was the swollen. Put doctor ripe An
out of bread. And I've never walked up a hill.
Speaker 2 (54:28):
Avoid all died from exercise.
Speaker 1 (54:30):
I rather give you a bill. The thing is that
some side effects bring the probably will well limits effect.
Speaker 4 (54:37):
Just come back and I'll give you one other pill.
Speaker 2 (54:40):
On top of that, on top of that, on top
of that, on top of that, on top.
Speaker 1 (54:44):
Of that, on top of that. Then he showed me
his bill. I popped another bill.
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