Episode 162: Obesity

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
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Speaker 5 (01:27):
Welcome to this week's show, When Your Health Matters, the
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Speaker 1 (01:41):
It's great to be back with you, Doc. I wanted
to talk today about one of the big problems playing
so many people here in America, and that is the
problem of obesity. Why do you think obesity has become
such a major problem in our society?

Speaker 5 (01:56):
Well, I found it ironic that you said a big
problem and obesity is about et cetera. So we're a
pretty punny guy to start to show off with. So
why do I think obesity has become such a major
problem in our society? Well, simply because we have processed
our food and made it high in calories and low

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in nutrition, So the average person will eat more in
an effort to feed themselves and will overeat to try
to have some substance to their food, but unfortunately it
will be empty galleries that are stored as fat. Hence
the result is obesity.

Speaker 1 (02:34):
Well, okay, so there must be if you look at it,
a lot of hidden dangers and some of the lesser
known qualities of obesity. What are some of the consequences
of this lack of nutrition?

Speaker 5 (02:47):
Death, high blood pressure, high cholesterol, diabetes, slow healing or
no healing, immune deficiency. Pretty much all the diseases could
stem from obesity. Really, no foolant.

Speaker 1 (03:05):
Wow, So how does being overweight affect the body over time?

Speaker 5 (03:11):
It wears it out, It creates more stress on the
body and the joints and causes them to age faster
and more. Dysfunction occurs again over time as a result.
So we need to appreciate that obesity is a disease
of malnutrition. When the body does not get a complete
nutritional item, it will tend to store it until it

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gets what is missing in order to metabolize it for energy.
If the required ingredients are always missing, we will always
have health problems. These are all the nutritional deficiencies. Again,
the heart diseases, the cancers, the diabetes, the high blood pressures,
you name it, it's a nutritional deficiency.

Speaker 1 (03:52):
I mean, it's so interesting that you would say that
people are missing these essential nutrients even though we're eating food.

Speaker 5 (04:00):
Yeah, but again, like I said, the food that we're
eating has been stripped of its true nutrition in an
effort to create a shelf life so that the food,
if it doesn't sell today, it'll still look and feel
and taste as fresh the following day, or the following
week or the following month. I did a little experiment

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when I was living up in Newburgh, New York. I
went to the grocery store, and I found myself walking
down the baking aisle. And they have an area where
all the flour is packaged in various sizes, and they
sit on the lower shelves of the aisle. And so

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I went in there with a black sharpie, and I
took a five pound bag of flour and I just
put a little dot on it that was totally inconspicuous.
Nobody would necessarily see it or notice that it was there.
And I went back every time I would need to
go shopping just to check on was that particular small

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bag of flower still there? And the bag of flower
was there well passed six months.

Speaker 1 (05:11):
Wow.

Speaker 5 (05:12):
And so if it's been sitting in the store for
over six months, what kind of nutrition do you think
is still sitting in that flower? You know, we have
a whole concept of foods, and these types of foods
are typically more for the underserved and the underprivileged, people
who don't necessarily have a lot of money, and my

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heart goes out to all of them. But they used
to collect non perishable food. They would do a food
drive every year around this time and they would you know,
sit outside of the grocery stores and ask people to
go buy non perishable food. And you know, if you
just think of the word non perishable, it means it

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never goes bad. So what kind of nutrition could possibly
be in that if it never spoiled.

Speaker 1 (06:00):
Well, I guess we don't think about the fact that
our food needs to actually be living, have life in it.

Speaker 5 (06:06):
Yeah, And that's the problem is that we've been conditioned
in our society not to think. We just go through
our routines and we're mindless drones so to speak, and
we go about our business and we don't necessarily understand
what we're doing and the effects that it has. And
that relates to every aspect of our lives, whether it's
the you know, the ways that we drive our cars,

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the foods that we eat, the clothes that we wear,
you know, the various facets of life that we don't
necessarily understand why things turn out the way that they
turn out. Well, we're actively involved in the choices that
we make, but we sometimes make our choices unconsciously, and
then we get to deal with the fallout of the

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choices that we've made. And you know, we learned from
our previous attempts. And I'm the kind of person that
just wants people to be aware of what they're doing
and the effect that it has and what we need
to do in order to change that. And so obesity
being the epidemic that it is, is actually quite easy

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to solve, but the food industry isn't looking to solve
it because they're in bed with big pharma, and the
more health issues that we have, the more pharmaceuticals are
going to be purchased in an effort to suppress the
symptoms of the nutritional deficiencies.

Speaker 1 (07:27):
Well, it's so interesting that you say it's actually easy
condition to deal with, but it seems like an entirely
complex condition to actually treat.

Speaker 5 (07:38):
No, it's just you have to find where the person
is deficient the ingredients that they're deficient in, which isn't
that hard because they come in with a condition and
the condition traces back to various nutritional deficiencies. And then
in my office at least and many other similar type practitioners,
we have nutritional concentrates. It helps to put back the

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ingredients that you're missing from the food choices that you're making,
because those food choices have been stripped of the vital
ingredients necessary for a healthy response.

Speaker 1 (08:10):
But how do you know which foods you're deficient in?

Speaker 5 (08:14):
You would come to somebody such as myself and we
would do an evaluation and help you to understand the
specifics of why your condition is the way that it
is and the appropriate nutrition to help address the condition
to make the condition go away all together.

Speaker 1 (08:31):
Well, that's I mean, that makes it sound like it's
a pretty easy problem solved.

Speaker 5 (08:35):
It is an easy problem solved. It's just people need
to get off their duff and they need to come
in and have a proper evaluation. How many times do
the people listening right now go to the doctor and
the doctor talks talks, basically talks above them about their condition,
doesn't ever answer questions as to why they have their condition,
and just simply writes them a script and sends them

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off to the pharmacy to get that prescription. And then
they're just masking those symptoms with the medication and digging
a deeper hole as far as their nutritional deficiency goes,
because they're still not putting in the ingredients that they need.
And the medication itself is going to exploit and create
more nutritional deficiencies because you're going to burn through whatever

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resources that you have in an effort to process those
harmful chemicals.

Speaker 1 (09:25):
Wait a second, the medication you're taking to help deal
with the symptoms you have is actually going to exasperate
the condition you have.

Speaker 5 (09:34):
It's going to exacerbate the foundational reason for that condition. Yeah,
and sometimes you know, when a person suffering from arthritis,
arthritis is always too much garbage in your liver. They
will give you medication to suppress the symptoms of the
inflammation associated with your arthritis, maybe suppress the inflammation associated

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with your arthurat it's maybe a combination of both, or
maybe two separate medications, one for the inflammation, one for
the pain, one for the bone degeneration. However they want
to slice it up. Now, where does all that medication
have to be processed? Based upon the knowledge that you
have from us talking for the last twenty five years.

Speaker 1 (10:18):
Yeah, from all the timing we've done, I know that
everything gets processed in your liver.

Speaker 5 (10:22):
Right, So if the medication to suppress and help the
person better deal with arthritis, if the medication that you're
using to combat the arthritis actually creates more toxins in
your liver, then what are you growing more of?

Speaker 1 (10:37):
You're probably going to make that arthritis ultimately worse.

Speaker 5 (10:41):
Right, So you're going to quote feel better even though
what you're using to make it feel better actually exacerbates
the condition more.

Speaker 1 (10:49):
I mean, is it? What a pretty small cycle you're
talking about creating problems with the same things you're using
for the solutions, right.

Speaker 5 (10:57):
And the sad part is is that nobody in the
industry sees the correlation, or even if they do see
the correlation, be damned with the fact that there's a correlation.
We're just going to keep recommending the same method of
care and then everybody's condition. Pretty soon everybody has the

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same condition every person. I got to be careful with
the age range on this, But I see people in
my office who are in their early fifties that have
our threatic conditions due to degeneration, due to nutritional deficiencies.
They're having advanced stage bone disease our threatic conditions. By

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the time they're in their fifties.

Speaker 1 (11:46):
When would you expect that to happen.

Speaker 5 (11:47):
Age, Well, well, I wouldn't expect it to happen at all.
I'm on the other side of sixty and I don't
have any of those problems. I don't even worry about inflammation.
I don't do anything that would promote me to have inflammation.
And so I live a lifestyle that keeps my inflammation
completely at a zero range, and I'm able to go

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through life and do what I need to do. And
for me, it's a little bit disheartening to have somebody
come in who's telling me about their health, and you know,
I see on their forms, etc. How old they are,
and we talk to them about how long they've had
the problem, and you know, they're in their early fifties
and they've had the problem for fifteen years. And I'm

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just like, so when you were in your late thirties
early forties you first started to experience this condition, And
I'm just like, that's just that's not the way that
God designed our bodies. That's not the way that life
should be. Back when I was a kid, you didn't
see those kinds of circumstances until people were in their seventies,
and now they're happening in their you know, late forties,

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early fifties. So we're going backwards as far as our longevity,
as far as being health egos and all of that
traces back to our food. But to get us back
on topic in terms of obesity, when we eat food
that is deficient and actual nutrition, then the body hoards
whatever it is that it's getting in an effort to

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wait until second delivery comes in, so to speak. That
potentially we'll have the rest of the ingredients that we
didn't get from whatever processed food that we eat the
first time. And you know, if you're not supplementing your
diet with good quality whole foods to fill in the
gaps within the food that you're eating, then your condition's
just going to get worse.

Speaker 1 (13:35):
So I always thought that a lot of the struggle
with weight is a mental thing or an emotional thing,
more than a physical thing.

Speaker 5 (13:43):
Well, there is the mental emotional component to it. Absolutely.
When somebody doesn't feel good about themselves and they're experiencing
low self esteem or despair or hopelessness or lack of
control over events, that stimulates and irritates the stomach's pancreas meridians.
And the emotions associated with that are the ones that

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I just mentioned, the low self esteem, the despair, the hope,
the lack of control over events, And when that stimulates
those organs and glands, it's going to stimulate your sense
of taste. Now you have five tastes. You have sour,
you have bitter, you have pungent, you have salty, and
then the one that trumps all of them because there's

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more taste buds associated with and that's the one for sweetness. So,
whether you're eating something that has obvious sugar in it,
like some kind of dessert, or whether you're eating something
that isn't so obvious, like a cracker, a piece of bread,

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I don't know a croissant anything that is a baked good.
Those baked goods are made from carbohydrates and they've been
highly refined in processed where there's no nutritional value coming
from the flower that's baking them or being baked into them,

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And so you're eating a lot of empty calories, and
those empty calories with no nutritional value to them are
always going to get stored, and that's what leads to obesity.

Speaker 1 (15:24):
Well, it's it's I mean, one of the things is
the stress. The role of stress. I mean, if you're
having all these dietary issues, clearly that's one level of stress.
What about other levels of stress and how do they
affect your weight?

Speaker 5 (15:38):
Well, it's it just depends because when one is stressed,
do you think they're in an offensive or a defensive pattern? Right, So,
when you're defensive, you're defending yourself against life because of
the way life is confronting you. So if it's stressful
and you go into a defensive posture, then you're gonna

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need insulation from the external stress outside of the body.
And one of the ways that the body sets that
up is to store your food externally on the body,
creating a barrier between the external world and your internal spirit,
and that's also what contributes to obesity.

Speaker 1 (16:24):
Now, a lot of chronic diseases like diabetes you mentioned,
and heart disease, and you'll die about all the arthritis,
those are all connected somehow to obesity.

Speaker 5 (16:36):
Well, they can be connected to obesity. All of them
are connected to nutritional deficiency. If you don't have the
proper nutrients, then your body responds by producing disease to
let you know that you don't have the proper nutrients.
And one of those diseases is obesity.

Speaker 1 (16:54):
So obesity is its own disease, but can then influence.

Speaker 5 (17:00):
Heart disease, can influence diabetes, can influence blood pressure. They
kind of go hand in glove because they're all intertwined
and they're all interrelated. But you can have a thin
person have a heart problem, you can have a thin
person have a blood pressure problem. You could have a
thin person have a cholesterol problem. But you're definitely going

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to find all those problems and people who tend to
be obese.

Speaker 1 (17:23):
I see. Now, what about you mentioned Chinese medicine and
the organs and the meridians. How does the obesity affect
your energy flow?

Speaker 5 (17:31):
Or your chee. It's going to stagnate it because the
energy that your body is producing isn't going to flow
the way that it's supposed to. If you have obesity,
then you've overwhelmed your livers. So that's going to screw
up your liver circuits. Liver meridian okay, that's going to
probably spill over into your gallbladder meridian okay, which is

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then going to cause compensation. And some of the other
filters are related to stomach spleen, pain, creos as far
as esteam goes or or fear and dread and contemplation
of the liver I mean of the kidneys, and then
a sense of impending doom and paralyzed will, which will

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pull in the bladder. So we're emotional beings, and those
emotions are stored in different parts of the body, and
we don't necessarily experience one emotion at a time. We're
reactive beings, and so we have a tendency to restimulate
negative emotional consequences in an effort to give us another
opportunity to solve those circumstances from being unconscious to conscious

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and being a problem to no longer being a problem.
That's the evolutionary process of what a human being goes
through every single day when they battle whatever goes on
in their life.

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Speaker 1 (19:45):
So besides fast foods and sugary snacks, which are pretty obvious,
what other habits might be leadings people to have weight gain.

Speaker 5 (19:54):
Being sedentary, any lack of exercise, begins to change the
person and to sell you level. And that may not
manifest for decades, but being sedentary is going to slow
a person's metabolism down. And as a result, if you're
slowing your metabolism down and you're overeating, then that's going

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to lead to obesity.

Speaker 1 (20:16):
So what happens when the body is constantly craving food
and never feel satisfied.

Speaker 5 (20:23):
It overeats and ends up getting fat because it's never satisfied.
And there there's a circuit within the nervous system that
when you reach a certain threshold of nutrition, it's going
to send a signal to the brain to stop the
the mechanism of eating. And so that's based upon actually

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having nourishment. So if you're eating a whole bunch of
empty calories with no nutrition at all, that signal never
actually occurs because it hasn't crossed a particular threshold of
eating actual nutrition. And so when you're eating non nutritious
food that has a long shelf life, you just keep eating.

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I mean, how many times have you witnessed or been
aware of yourself of plowing through a bag of chips.
You know, it happens all the time. Or you go
to a party and you're a little bit nervous about
being at the party, and you don't necessarily like crowds,
but you're at the party anyway, and so you basically
plow through a whole bunch of food while you're sitting

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there because that makes you more comfortable, makes you feel
more secure, because you're feeding your self esteem while you're
at the party, and you end up eating more than
you should eat, so you.

Speaker 1 (21:43):
Don't feel that fullness in your stomach is a physical
sensation that causes you to stop eating.

Speaker 5 (21:49):
Well, you may feel the fullness, but you may not
necessarily engage the brain that actually turn off your ability
to eat.

Speaker 1 (21:56):
It's so interesting. I mean, one of the things, and
then maybe this relates to what you just said, is
that obesity is a problem that seems to stem from
poor digestion and the imbalances that we have in our gut.

Speaker 5 (22:09):
Yeah, it's a natural outcome to develop poor digestion when
the ingredients needed to repair the digestive system or not
found within the food that you're eating. So the body
adapts with poor digestion and that's a symptom of nutritional deficiency.

Speaker 1 (22:24):
So how does the holistic healthcare approach with weight management
differ from, say, what mainstream medicine does well.

Speaker 5 (22:31):
From a holistic standpoint, there's no medication used. It's about
getting the body to eat real food and the excess
will naturally disappear. We have a story that we've shared
many times. I had a woman who was totally disabled
twenty eight years old. She weighed three hundred and five
pounds and she had no use of her right arm

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because of a condition that she had called reflex sympathetic dystrophe.
While we did a specific technique on her, the neurologic
release centers technique, it took eight seconds for her debilitating
pain in her right arm to disappear. From that point,
she actually could now start to participate in life again

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and start to raise her son, who was being raised
by her mother. And you know, she was on fourteen
different medications that she didn't need anymore. So she stopped
all of her medications without even telling me that she
stopped them. But over the course of time, we started
feeding her high quality whole food nutrients, and in the

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process of giving her those supplements, all the weight literally
fell off of her with no exercise. She lost one
hundred and sixty five pounds, So just by feeding her, So.

Speaker 1 (23:47):
You're not even really focusing on weight loss.

Speaker 5 (23:50):
No, I was focusing on the nutritional deficiencies that she had,
and by feeding the body what it needed, the bodies
turned on and started working and got rid of all
the excess that it didn't need anymore.

Speaker 1 (24:01):
Mm hm. So if you were to go and start
eating whole nutrition, nutrient dense food.

Speaker 5 (24:08):
You would eat less, you would feel full sooner, you
would have more energy, Your body would function better, your
energy would return, your clarity of thought would begin to function,
and life would become more enjoyable.

Speaker 1 (24:25):
That's not going to happen overnight. That's going to take time, right.

Speaker 5 (24:27):
Well, it'll take whatever time it takes. And at the
end of the day, once you get on the path
and once you start, every day is going to feel
better than the day before. And so it doesn't take
long for a person to notice that they're feeling better.
It's just a question of will they continue on the journey.
It's their journey they get to decide.

Speaker 1 (24:45):
Yeah, I mean, so many people would want that instantaneous
weight loss. I mean there are things like liposection where
they ask the.

Speaker 5 (24:51):
Well, there is all of that, and any kind of
surgical intervention is going to be traumatic. Anyway. I had
a patient a long time ago who I helped lose
one hundred and twenty pounds, okay, And the challenge that
went on with her was when she lost one hundred
and twenty pounds, she started getting attention from men that
she didn't know how to handle emotionally, and so she

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was tempted to go back to putting the weight back
on to make her psyche more comfortable by being obese,
because then men leave her alone, okay. And so she
was between a rock and a hard place in terms
of what she was going to need to do in
order to work that out. Eventually, she found a gentleman

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that treated her with love and compassion and actually didn't
mind if she was a little bit heavier. Okay, And
they got married and had a kid, and her story
went on in another direction. But you know, there are
people who have gone through I've had patients who have
had stomach bypass surgery, and that just creates a whole

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another litany of issues because now you don't process calcium
the way that you're supposed to. You don't process proteins
the way that you're supposed to, So you're gonna end
up with a hormonal imbalance, you're gonna end up with
immune problems, you're gonna end up with bone weakness, you're
gonna end up with healing issues. You know, there's a
whole litany of things that go on with having stomach

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bypass or stomach stapling or any of those things that
they've done surgically in an effort to try to get
a person to stop eating so much.

Speaker 1 (26:32):
Well, what does a person do if they don't have
the discipline on their own to sort of curtail their
eating habits.

Speaker 5 (26:39):
They need to ask help, And how do they get
the help that they need. They need to find the
person that's going to actually help them and support them
to help them develop new habits and new behaviors so
that they're changing what they're doing. And if you change
what you do, you're gonna have no choice about to
get a different outcome.

Speaker 1 (26:58):
So how do you help people overcome the cravings and say,
the emotional eating, like this woman who is obviously eating emotionally.

Speaker 5 (27:05):
Right, Well, we do some emotional healing to help with
the emotional connection to that particular food. By addressing the emotion,
then they no longer feel that. Then they no longer
stimulate their somet e spleen pancreas meridians and their sense
of sweetness and the need for putting things that taste
sweet in their mouth. The other thing is is that
we deal with their dysbiosis and get rid of the

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excess amounts of east and kandidia that crave sugar, and
we restore balance to the microbiome and the digestive microflora.
And by restoring balance to the microflora, then now things
aren't out of balance and causing you to crave more sugar.

Speaker 1 (27:45):
I mean, we've talked a lot about the microbiome and
the importance of that, and sometimes the cravings that you
may have for these sugary foods may not even be
your own need for them, but it's actually feeding those
microbes in your belly.

Speaker 5 (28:02):
Right, And so when you have dysfunctional microbiome, then you
are going to have cravings for certain things to feed
those microbes that are not healthy for the body, and
it's going to lead to unhealthy outcomes. And so by
restoring balance to the microbiome and getting the dys biosis
to come back to a normal biome, then people aren't

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necessarily looking for those types of foods that they would
if they had the imbalance.

Speaker 1 (28:31):
Good actually can help address the cravings.

Speaker 5 (28:34):
Yeah, and now you start to eat normally with wanting
to eat normal foods and not any of the crap foods.

Speaker 1 (28:42):
What about exercise? Can exercise alone solve the weight problem?
Is that a way to go about it?

Speaker 5 (28:48):
Uh? For some people it is. But you know, you're
going to find that if you're going to do a
lot of exercise and you're putting crap in your body,
that the joints and the muscles aren't going to function
the way that they're supposed to do, and you may
actually wear your joints out at a higher rate than
what you would normally do if you were eating quality food.

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Quality food and good exercise go hand in hand. If
you're eating crap food and you're exercising, then you're going
to find that you have more injuries and that you
wear out faster.

Speaker 1 (29:19):
So it could be that this gentleman came to you
who had developed some arthritic problems in his thirties could
have been.

Speaker 5 (29:30):
Could have been, but it was also it's all it
was all nutrition.

Speaker 1 (29:33):
So the problems are nutritional. So what about what about
the role of genetics? Did that play a role in obesity?

Speaker 5 (29:40):
It does if you fall for the myths that that
your genes have the final say in terms of what
your health is. You know, when when we talk about
things that are quote genetic or hereditary, we need to
understand that most behaviors and most most habit patterns within

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families are learned. Okay, your parents taught you how to eat,
You taught your children how to eat. So if you're
in a bad habit that your parents gave to you,
and then you pass that habit on to your children,
then they're going to pass it on to their children.
And so if you're eating the same way and you
have the same deficiencies, then there's a high degree of

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likelihood that you're going to express your body's going to
end up expressing the genes the way that it ends
up expressing them. And so your genes don't have the
final say. Your epigenetics do. Your epigenetics is your environment
and your belief system. And so if you get your
environment and your belief system in order. Okay, then you
can make better, more rational decisions, and then you don't

(30:42):
put yourself in a negative headspace that ultimately causes you
to make poor decisions. And so if you learn from
your lineage that this is how you eat, and this
is how you exercise, and this is how you compose yourself,
and this is how you do your life, if that's
lean in the direction of having a diabetes or having

(31:02):
some kind of health issue, then there's a high degree
of likelihood that you're going to mimic that same health outcome.
And the doctors, in their uncertainty about knowing how things
work and how epigenetics works, they'll say, well, chances are
you got it because your parents carry the same genes
that you do. And that's just not accurate.

Speaker 1 (31:24):
Well wouldn't it be. I mean, if you're talking about
epigenetics and somebody, let's say somebody has overweighted as a
child and they've been eating a certain way and now
they're reached adulthood and they need to change that. They
have that long history of having learned how to eat,
you know, snacking all the time or eating a lot
of sweets or whatever it might be what is that

(31:48):
journey where you're actually shifting them in that way? Can
you actually change them in that epigenetic way you're talking about.

Speaker 5 (31:56):
Well, we can certainly help them change. I'll tell you
another quick story when when I was in China, we
went in through Hong Kong, and when we went to
stay at this amazing hotel. It was the most expensive
hotel I had ever stayed in at that point in

(32:16):
my life. And we came in through the basement of
the hotel because that's where they were. The main floor
was where guests were checking out, et cetera. So the
guests that were checking in were on a different floor.
And so there was a couple that was from the
Midwest and they were there to come pick up their

(32:39):
adopted daughters. They had adopted two Chinese girls, you know,
back when girls weren't accepted in the Chinese culture, and
they were, you know. So the following morning we went
down to have breakfast in the dining room and the

(33:00):
same couple was there with their two twin Chinese daughters,
adopted daughters, and it was a traditional American breakfast with
all the accouterments to go with it. And I watched
the parents load up their plates with a crapload of food,
like a mountain of food on each plate, and they

(33:23):
put a smaller mountain of food on their two young
adopted daughter's plates. And I remember looking at the family
and thinking, well, at least the girls are going to live,
But I'm not really sure what kind of destiny that
they're going to have, because if their parents eat the

(33:43):
way that they're eating, it's not going to be long
before these two beautiful, innocent children are going to start
eating the same way, and there's a high degree of
likelihood that they too, are going to end up having
obesity issues.

Speaker 1 (33:57):
Well, that's interesting you bring that up, because it makes
me wonder about some of the cultural pressures that are
on people. So clearly, these Midwestern Americans have a very
different cultural perspective than somebody that's grown up in rural China.
We also deal with all these issues that women deal
with about body perfection and looking a certain way and

(34:17):
having a certain weight. How do you break free help
How do you help patients break free of some of
those things?

Speaker 5 (34:23):
Well, I tell them they need to shut their devices off,
and they need to stay off of TikTok, and they
need to stay off of Facebook, and they need to
stay off of Instagram, and they need to stay off
of whatever other device apps that they have. Why because
that's what they promote. They promote they make people feel
that they're not healthy or successful or the ability to

(34:48):
generate money, et cetera unless they look a particular way.
And it's it's fascinating how that will get clicks, you know,
looking at quote beautif people or looking at the attitude
that beautiful people have. I saw a video the other
day of a gentleman who was trying to interview this
woman who she was beautiful, and she had a nice

(35:10):
dress on, and she had lots of diamonds and bracelets
and earrings and this, that and the other thing, and
he was asking her how she got that at such
a young age, and she was just like, well, I
just demanded it, and she demanded you know, she decided
to set the bar for where she was going to date.
She wasn't going to date anybody who didn't make, you know,

(35:31):
several hundred thousands of dollars every month because they wouldn't
be able to afford her. So she wouldn't even open
herself up to dating anybody that didn't live in that
financial bracket and so that's how she chose to live
her life, etc. And it's like, you know, everybody trades
off something for something else, and we do the same

(35:54):
thing with food and we end up having the outcomes
that we have and we can create whatever outcome that
we want. I mean, I eat a lot of food
and I don't have any weight management issues at all,
and I haven't had that since I learned about how
to eat properly and how to eat real food versus
crap food.

Speaker 1 (36:11):
Well that's I mean, you're a testimony to your own
to the mission that you're on in terms of helping
with other people. Well, this is a this is a
fantastic conversation, doc Rick. We do need to take another
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(36:32):
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Speaker 1 (37:16):
Network when you're looking at being able to resolve a
weight issue? Should you be Should your focus be on
balance and lifestyle rather than the numbers on the scale.

Speaker 5 (37:29):
Your focus should ideally be on do you feel healthy? Okay?
I know lots of people over the course of my
career who are big boned, very large people, and uh,
they carry it well and it's not an issue for them.

(37:50):
They eat healthy, they exercise, they have a very positive,
productive life and it's that's just who they are. There
are those who develop a need to manipulate or change
how people identify them as we've seen a whole bunch

(38:14):
of dysfunction in and around the identifying what gender you are,
That we've gone through the last several years, but for
the longest time because of how we put out in
our society. What quote. The ideal is children get influenced
based upon what they see out in the world, and

(38:37):
then they aspire to be that way. And so, you know,
there was an interesting scene in one of my favorite movies,
What Dreams May Come, with Robin Williams and Robin Williams'
daughter in the movie saw him have a conversation with

(38:57):
a woman that was considered very active and evidently at
the time, Robin Williams was caught up in his conversation
that he wasn't paying attention to his daughter, and now
his daughter wanted to be that woman and wanted to
look the way that woman was because she was getting

(39:17):
her dad's undivided attention, which is all what the daughter wanted,
and she just equated that if I look that way,
then I'll get his attention. And we don't know what
we're doing to our children. We need to really reinforce
and I'm not saying that parents don't do this, but
I'm saying that we need to be conscious of the

(39:38):
fact that we need to always reinforce to our children
that we love them for who they are, that they
have their own special gifts and their own abilities, and
that we need to accept them for who they are,
and we need to just continually let them understand that
we love them. I remember when I was in my

(40:01):
mid to late twenties, I went through a crisis in
my life, and I decided to unburden myself, and I
went and called a meeting with my parents. And I
sat with my parents in our family room in the
downstairs of our house, and I went through my whole life,
and I told my parents from my earliest recollection all

(40:23):
the way up to present day, all the things that
I had done that my parents were unaware of, that
I was ashamed of. And I got all the way
up to about three weeks before we had this conversation,
and my dad looked at me and he said, so,
you had a pretty normal childhood. And I was thinking,

(40:43):
did you not hear what I just said? For the
last however long, I was spewing like, what do you
mean I had a normal childhood? He said, you had
a normal childhood. You tried things out. Something's work, some
things didn't work. You made choices, You made good choices.
You made bad choices. You learned from all the choices
that you made, you had a normal childhood. And I

(41:03):
was like, okay, and he said, did you think we
wouldn't love you? And I was like, it never crossed
my mind that you were going to not love me
because of the choices that I've made. But I just
think that's important for parents to always emphasize to their
children that what they're doing is enough, and who they
are as people is acceptable, because they need to develop

(41:28):
their own identity and not necessarily feel pressured to get
certain grades or to go out for certain sports or
to be the popular one, because not everybody gets to
do all of those.

Speaker 1 (41:41):
Well. It's so interesting. I wonder how that ties into
the epigenetics we were talking about before, because the influence
you have as a parent over your children is one thing,
and then supporting them being who they are is can
be a different thing. I mean a lot of parents
are pushing their children to be something particular.

Speaker 5 (42:01):
Right, and that's what I would like parents to take
a second look at and to think twice before, because
if you didn't get to accomplish something in your upbringing,
and that's something that you're still holding onto so now
that you want your child to aspire to be the
thing that you couldn't be. I mean, I watch a

(42:23):
lot of parents who are more wrapped up in the
sports that their kids play than the kids are, because
they're trying to, you know, have a kid that's going
to be the best whatever. I mean. I have a neighbor, literally,
a person who lives right next door to me, and
he's a wonderful father and he does everything he can
to support his child's desire to be successful in football.

(42:49):
And so he's out there every single day throwing the
football with his son and giving him advice on how
to be a better defender and how to be a
better receiver and all of these kinds of things. And
I think it's a very mutual, loving, supportive I don't
ever see him being overbearing to his kid and expecting

(43:10):
his kid to live up to his own expectations. And
I think that's a very loving, nurturing, beautiful father son relationship.
But I have another patient who goes to watch his
daughter play softball and he's the coach, and some of

(43:30):
the parents the pressure that they put even on the
coach to make sure that the kid gets more playing time,
because they have expectations for where that kid's going to go.
I don't know that we have a professional women's softball
league in the world, so I'm not really sure where
you think your girl's going to go as far as Yeah,

(43:51):
she may be a good softball player, and she may
even play at the top college schools for softball, but
when college is over, the career is over. It's not
like they're going to be pulling in big contract money.
There maybe scholarships though, yeah, but you know, at the
end of the day, I just think it's important. I mean,
my parents always gave me the latitude of if you

(44:14):
don't enjoy participating in a sport, pick another sport. But
if you're not going to play sports, you're not going
to sit at home and watch television all day. You're
going to have to go get a job. And those
are the options that I was given.

Speaker 1 (44:27):
I mean, this is all about self awareness and being
able to achieve what you're looking for. Any of the
goals that you have in life. And if you're talking
about weight loss or something like that where you're looking
for elasting change.

Speaker 5 (44:39):
You need to exercise aerobically. To exercise aerobically, your heart
rate has to be at a very specific range in
order to cause your body to burn fat as this
primary source of fuel. And the formula for that is
you want to take one hundred and eighty and subtract
your age, and you're going to get a number. It's
typically above one hundred, because I don't know that anybody
that's listening is going to to be above eighty, but

(45:01):
in the off chance, so one hundred and eighty minus
your age, that's the upper end of where you want
to allow your heart rate to get. Subtract ten from that,
and that's the lower range. So for instance, if you're sixty,
take one hundred and eighty minus sixty, you get one
hundred and twenty. You subtract ten from that, you get
one hundred and ten. Now you have a range between

(45:23):
one hundred and ten and one hundred and twenty. So
you want to take fifteen minutes to get your heart
rate up to above one hundred and ten, and then
you want to start your exercise routine to where now
you want to maintain that heart rate and that pace
whatever it is that you're doing, bike, walk, run, cycling, elliptical, swimming,

(45:45):
whatever the case happens.

Speaker 1 (45:46):
To be.

Speaker 5 (45:46):
You want to maintain that pace to keep your heart
rate between one hundred and ten and one hundred and
twenty and every minute after twenty minutes of being in
that zone, now you're going to be burning fat as
your primary source of fuel. And the more you do that,
and if you do it every day, and you can
even do it twice a day, you will be training

(46:08):
your metabolism to burn fat as its primary source of fuel.
And as long as you are consistent with that exercising,
then you will just start dropping weight by forcing your
body to burn fat.

Speaker 1 (46:19):
Well, what about somebody who has been sedentary. I mean
they may have to start an exercise planet.

Speaker 5 (46:25):
They're going to start a little bit lower because they've
been sedentary and they don't have any exercise experience. Okay,
you're going to take one hundred and eighty, subtract your age,
subtract ten, and then subtract another ten, and so the
one hundred and twenty minus ten gives you one hundred
and ten. That's now your upper range instead of it

(46:47):
being one hundred and twenty. Then subtract ten from that
and that brings you to one hundred. So as you're
starting off and you have an exercise and you're sixty
years old, you want to exercise and get your heart
rate between one hundred in one hundred and ten as
opposed to one hundred and ten to one hundred and twenty.
So you've lowered the stress to give your body an

(47:07):
opportunity to start to develop some level of fitness, and
as you continue to develop that level of fitness, that
will translate to better health.

Speaker 1 (47:17):
Now, I mean clearly a lot of what we talked
about is the nutrition that people need to do. So
are there things that you need to do in terms
of looking at changing your diet to what should you
think about in terms of how to approach a diet
change that would be helpful.

Speaker 5 (47:34):
Well, the first thing is is that if you want,
you can do a five day diet history, and I
will take the time to pull it apart and sit
down with you and go over that five day diet
history and help you understand what kind of changes you
need to make and how you're going to integrate that
into your normal daily habit. But yeah, I pull apart

(47:55):
everybody's diet that presents me with one, and then I
go over it with them and help them to understand
you got too much of this type of food, You
don't have enough of this type of food. These are
the types of foods that you want to consider looking for.
These are the types of foods that you want to
eat on a more regular basis. And these are the
types of foods that you definitely want to eliminate from
your diet. And once they start to get a grasp

(48:16):
of how to exercise and how to feed themselves, then
they can start eating more and they will begin to
lose weight.

Speaker 1 (48:23):
So, if you're eating well and you're exercising, what about
something like sleep? How does sleep affect weightless? Can I
fear it? If you don't sleep well, you can actually
gain weight.

Speaker 5 (48:34):
Yeah. So if you're eating properly and you're exercising properly,
I promise you your sleep will no longer be an issue.

Speaker 1 (48:41):
So you're taking those two points of attack to dealing
with your weight loss, and you're solving the third problem.

Speaker 5 (48:48):
Correct.

Speaker 1 (48:49):
What about other things that you might be doing that
would be you know, other practices, maybe things that wouldn't
necessarily be aerobic exercise like yoga or things like that,
or meditation, mental things that you might do. How would
those affect you? Any weight laws.

Speaker 5 (49:04):
All of those things help to put you in the
right mindset so that you can now go out and
do what you need to do. You have to have
a positive outlook and a positive mindset in order to
create positive results. You can't create positive results with a
negative attitude. So doing your meditation, doing your yoga, doing

(49:26):
your tai chi. You know, there's the guy that's on
the internet all the time is talking about chigung after
age fifty, et cetera. You know, there's there's lots of
different habits that you can get into that are both
physically based, but they're also mentally emotionally based, and cultivating

(49:48):
a good balance between your body, your mind, and your
spirit is ultimately what we represent in the things that
I do in my office.

Speaker 1 (49:58):
Well that was you know that, Which is weight loss
more than just about shedding the pounds, and is it
really more of a journey of self discovery.

Speaker 5 (50:08):
It is a journey of self discovery, and you may
lose pounds, but you may also lose mental baggage as
well in the process of doing that, because now you
start to see yourself and see yourself in a different way.
And in the process of seeing yourself in a different way,
in a better way, in a healthier way. Some of
those negative experiences that are emotional will come to the

(50:32):
surface for releasing m So I.

Speaker 1 (50:36):
Mean, you have to eat better, you need to exercise properly,
you want to get good sleep. We've talked a lot
about getting the proper amounts of water. Does water play
in a roll in weight loss?

Speaker 5 (50:48):
Water does play a role in weight loss because if
you put the requisite amount of water in to help
sponsor your metabolism to move, you can actually lose water.
I lose weight by drinking water.

Speaker 1 (50:59):
Interesting, And I guess the other one that we haven't
touched upon is breathing. And I know you've talked quite
a bit about breathing. Is that something I mean other
than breathing hard because you're exercising. Is there any reason
that you should be focused on what your breath does
in terms of weight loss.

Speaker 5 (51:15):
Well, proper breathing, meaning diaphragmatic and belly breathing is going
to help you to release your emotions. It's one of
the outlets for releasing your emotions. And releasing those emotions
that are no longer necessary is going to change your
mental attitude, just going to allow you to make better choices,
and you stick to a program of exercising and eating

(51:38):
right and getting the rights amount of sleep, et cetera.
It's just it all. They all go handing love.

Speaker 1 (51:44):
So most of the things that we've talked about today
are things that people can do on their own without
necessarily engaging somebody like yourself. But I suppose that if
you were listening to this message and you have one
of these issues where you're maybe dealing with weight or
you're dealing with obesity, you haven't been able to solve
that struggle on your own, and you'd like to be
able to get a consultation with somebody like you or

(52:08):
with you directly. You make yourself fairly available for people
to have those conversations. What are the best ways to
reach out to you?

Speaker 5 (52:15):
The best way to reach out to me would be
to call my cell phone directly at area code eight
four five five six one two two two five again
eight four five five six one two two two five.
That is my personal cell phone. I will be the
one answering that phone. If I don't answer the phone,
please please leave a message. Tell me your name, leave

(52:37):
me a phone number, tell me what you're interested in
speaking to me, for I will call you back. Sometimes
I call people back right after they're done leaving the message.
People would do text me, I would ask you not
to text me until you have a relationship properly established
with me, because I get a lot of spam texts
and I just basically ignore all of them, and then

(52:58):
that's some part of my day. I'll go through and
I'll delete all of them. And so please call me
and let me understand who you are before you start
texting me. You can always email me. I enjoy getting
my emails. I enjoy answering the emails, and so email
is probably better than texting is, but direct phone call
is better than emailing. So those are the choices that

(53:21):
you have. You certainly could stop into my office, and
when you do stop into my office, we will do
an evaluation and help you to understand what your current
circumstance is and what we need to do in order
to change it and make it better.

Speaker 1 (53:35):
Well, this is great, Doc, Greg. I mean, I really
appreciate what we do having this show, making this available
for people. And we're going to get together again next
week and we'll have more conversations about people's health. We've
been doing this for a number of years and it's
really a public service. And so I thank you for
doing everything you do well.

Speaker 5 (53:53):
I thank you for your contributions and you picking the
topics and you quote feeding me the questions, and uh,
you know it's it's it's a it's a healthy conversation.
It's a good dialogue. I think we have a good synergy.
And and uh it's again we're not focused on what
we're really it's not about us, it's really about the listener.

(54:14):
And so I hope the listener appreciates that. I would
ask you to tune back in next week, same health time,
same health station. This is doctor Richard on tune from
Advanced Alternative Medicine Center, saying, I look forward to supporting
you when you're health manners.

Speaker 2 (54:32):
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I see worst of the doctor just gave me a
pill to take one of those three times a day.

Speaker 1 (54:40):
You don't ever stop.

Speaker 2 (54:41):
Until you're dirty, dead or almost better, keep out of
the reach of children. Things that might be some side effects.

Speaker 1 (54:48):
The probably will