Episode 164: Identifying Health Issues

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:04):
Be my physician. He said, you're definitely ill. Thanks to
the nurse.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
I've seen worse than the doctor.

Speaker 1 (00:09):
Just gave me a pill. Take one of those three
times today. You don't never stop on till you're really
dead er.

Speaker 3 (00:16):
All of a better keep out of the reach of children.

Speaker 1 (00:18):
The thing is that some side effects you mean, probably
will well.

Speaker 4 (00:22):
Limits of fact, you can't come back.

Speaker 1 (00:24):
And I'll give you one out of the film. On
top of that, on top of that, on top of that,
on top of that, on top of that, on top
of that, and then he showed me his bill. I've
popped another pill.

Speaker 4 (00:36):
Welcome to When Your Health Matters. Your host is doctor
Richard Huntoon of Advanced Alternative Medicine Center located right here
in Pool of Georgia. Doctor Hantoon has been practicing alternative health,
utilizing chiropractic and many other health techniques for the past
twenty seven years. To support you when your health matters.
It's his intention to offer practical advice every week for

(00:57):
you to consider and to apply in your own life
to make your life and the lives of your family
and friends healthier and happier. When you have questions, you'll
get your answers from Doctor Rick himself or another expert
on the show. Being empowered to make positive health choices
before problem arises is the best way to approach health,
and doctor Rick promises to have information for you every

(01:17):
week that will allow you to become proactive and empowered
to take control of your health and your life.

Speaker 5 (01:23):
You are listening to the Alternative Healthcare Network.

Speaker 3 (01:27):
Welcome to this week's show, When Your Health Matters, the
show designed to empower you to better health through knowledge
and education. And I'm your host, doctor Richard Untun from
Advanced Alternative Medicine Center. And here's my partner for the show,
your health advocate, Mark sock Rick.

Speaker 1 (01:41):
It's great to be back here today. I had a
bunch of questions I wanted to find out. You know,
one of the things that seems to plague a lot
of people is knowing what's going on with their health,
and so I wanted to talk to you today about
identifying health problems. And you know, it just seems to
me that for a lot of people, health is really complicated.

(02:02):
Or is it that we're just making it that way.

Speaker 3 (02:05):
Well, we definitely make it that way based upon a
lack of understanding in a sense we think we know
what our problem is. There's an interesting premise out there
known as Accham's razor and Okham's raisers said, in the
lack of empirical evidence, the simplest answer is usually the
right answer. And we as human beings think life can't

(02:26):
be that simple because if it was that simple, then
everything would work out real easy and we wouldn't have
to struggle and have difficulties. And so we have a
tendency to overthink things and complicate things that don't necessarily
have to be complicated. And that certainly applies to our health.

Speaker 1 (02:42):
But I mean, there are a lot of fluctuations in
how we feel. That's kind of a normal part of
being healthy.

Speaker 3 (02:48):
Well, possibly when you maintain your health, the fluctuations are
not noticed. When you yourself regulate in a healthy way,
your fluctuations are minimal, if at all. So it's about
maintaining normalcy. And once you understand how to maintain normalcy,
just continually practice that every single day, and then you

(03:11):
don't have to have problems because you don't go off
the ranch, so to speak. You don't vary your your
actions and therefore your results tend to be consistent.

Speaker 1 (03:23):
Well, I mean one of the things that happens. I
mean you talk about going off the ranch, but I
mean there are things like out there that were viruses
and bacterias that we're exposed to. So what happens to
your body when it's exposed to something like that.

Speaker 3 (03:36):
Well, if you are healthy, nothing you would notice as
your immune system does the job and removes the threat.
If you're not healthy, then you're going to notice a fever,
You're going to notice some kind of symptoms. And those
responses that the body has is an indication that your
body is lacking in the necessary resources to keep in

(03:56):
this case, your immune system functioning at its highest level possible,
and you're lacking the resources for a normal healthy response,
which would be to identify what doesn't belong, wallle it off,
digest it, and get rid of it as quickly as possible.
And for healthy people that goes on and the person
never even notices that they were exposed to something. And

(04:19):
for those who are not healthy, and we got a
good understanding of that as far as the world health
goes during COVID, then the body has an abnormal response
to a pathogen that may get out of hand. And
for some unfortunate people that actually ended with them dying.

Speaker 1 (04:39):
I mean, it seems like the immune system you're talking about,
its ability to fend off whatever is coming in your way,
is going to happen beneath the level of you being
conscious of it.

Speaker 3 (04:51):
Is what you're saying, Well, yeah, your autonomic nervous system,
which helps to regulate the immune response, is something that
you're not going to notice unless it gets two out
of hand. If the immune response is to a level
that it crosses the threshold of your awareness, then you

(05:13):
will develop some kind of symptom or some kind of sign.
But for those people out there that are exposed to
things and it never seems to bother them one way
or the other, those people have a tendency to be
one of two types. They're either really healthy in their
immune system develops the response and gets rid of it
before it's even recognized as a problem, or the other

(05:36):
end of the spectrum, which is where most of the
elderly population that I have seen over the last thirty
five forty years is their immune system can't develop a
strong enough response to give them the understanding that they're
actually sick or have been exposed to some kind of
virus or bacteria or what have you. And so a

(05:58):
simple way for the listener to understand if that's them
is periodically, you want to take your temperature temperature of
your body, and you just want to see what your
general normal temperature is.

Speaker 1 (06:11):
Isn't it always ninety eight point six.

Speaker 3 (06:13):
Well, that's what everybody would like to think, and that's
the number that you want to strive for. But when
you get over the age of sixty five, I have
found in a majority of those people that their basal
body temperature isn't ninety eight point six. It's in the
ninety sevens or even as low as the ninety six is.
And if they're as low as a ninety six degree temperature,

(06:37):
you can have a two degree rise in your normal temperature.
And when the doctor takes your temperature, they say, well,
you don't have a fever because it wasn't above ninety
eight point six. But you don't know what their normal is.
If their normal is ninety six point I don't know
ninety six point eight. And now they have a temperature

(07:00):
that registers at ninety eight point eight, theoretically they have
a two degree temperature, and a two degree temperature is
typically going to be a viral infection and a three
degree temperature or above it's going to be a bacterial infection.
But you have to know where you're starting from and
what your normal is in order for you to be
able to interpret that.

Speaker 1 (07:21):
So the normal in the textbook is not necessarily the
normal for each individual.

Speaker 3 (07:26):
No, And as we continue to eat more crap food
and we continue to suppress our immune system more than
people's overall body temperature is going to continue to trend
into downward fashion as they continue to age.

Speaker 1 (07:40):
Interesting, Now, what about somebody that has to be recovered from,
say an accident or an injury.

Speaker 3 (07:46):
Well, you want to evaluate the injury, understand the components
wrapped into the injury itself, and support the body to
recover with proper care and proper nutrition. Because if you
have an injury, you're going to need resources in order
to help that injury repair itself, and so you're going
to make sure that you have enough of the right
nutritional components.

Speaker 1 (08:07):
Now you say, I think in your practice, the main
goal that you have is to bring people back into
balance for their health.

Speaker 3 (08:14):
Yeah, my main goal is to help everyone express their
optimal health and function to live a healthy, normal life.
And that's about bringing everything back into balance and back
into harmony so that everything can work together in harmony
and then you express your best health.

Speaker 1 (08:28):
So how do you collaborate when you're working with, say
a medical doctor who is seeing a patient for something
like I know we've talked about oncologists that are seeing
some patients and they come and see you as well.
How do you collaborate with them when the patient is
in some kind of conventional care but is also using
your approach to holistic care.

Speaker 3 (08:49):
Well, I do my best to speak to the doctor
and share my insights and tell them anything they need
to know about the person being referred. And sometimes, you know,
I meet a doctor who's very open minded and is
appreciative of the input that I support them with, And
sometimes I can't even get the doctor on the phone,

(09:10):
and I'm always being shuffled around to their staff in
some way, shape or form. And you know, I personally
feel that we are in the service business of serving
our patients and whatever we need to do to serve
our patient, even if it's not in our office. You know,
I had a woman call me this morning and said
that one of her friends had gotten some supplements from me,

(09:31):
and they got really really great results and they wanted
to see if they can have me get them the
same supplements. So I gave them instructions on how they
could get those exact supplements on their own by sending
them to a website that my business is affiliated with,
and if you go through that, then you can access

(09:51):
the supplements that you would need directly. So we talked
her through that on how to do it, and you know,
she told me, I said, if you ever want to
get rid of the reason for why you have all
that inflammation that these two supplements are going to be
supportive of, then we can have a conversation. She's like, well,
thank you for that, and thank you for helping me
go through this process so that I can figure it

(10:12):
out for myself. And ultimately that's what people want to do.
But there are times when trying to figure it out
for yourself is only going to lead to bigger problems,
and so that's when you need a professional's understanding, and
that's what we do this show for.

Speaker 1 (10:26):
I mean, the reason you want to deal with the
professional is because that person is going to have had
a lot of experience with a lot of different variety
and can actually target a much more accurate approach to
your health.

Speaker 2 (10:37):
That's exactly correct.

Speaker 1 (10:39):
Yep, Okay, So what about lifestyle have its things like diet, sleep, stress?
Are those the biggest contributors overall health?

Speaker 3 (10:48):
How we manage our life and our stress is the
key to being healthy and having health issues or not
having health issues. Stress is a personal decision. You get
to decide if something stressful for you or not. Sometimes
things that you're in the midst of a whole bunch
of chaos and it doesn't seem to stress you out
at all, And other times where things are a little
bit more quiet, you're kind of stressed out over the

(11:09):
fact that things aren't more chaotic. So it's you know,
you just get to decide what is stressful for you
and what the impact is on your overall health over time.

Speaker 1 (11:19):
When you're in your practice, you made a decision a
long time ago not to use medications, not to use drugs.
Why don't you rely on any of those kind of
things in your practice.

Speaker 3 (11:31):
Well, first of all, Number one is because I'm not
a medical doctor, so I cannot use medication, and it
inspires me to understand the mechanisms of cause as to
why a person has an issue, not simply focused on
the under desired effect and symptom and then masking it
with medications that come with side effects.

Speaker 1 (11:50):
So, I mean, why isn't it that you can't take
a medication to actually go about the process of getting healthy.
I mean, it doesn't seem like part of the problem
is is you're treating whatever the condition is, but you're
not actually addressing the problem.

Speaker 2 (12:06):
Right.

Speaker 3 (12:07):
Medicine suppresses problems and does not fix problems. Taking medication
will never allow you to truly be healthy, since your
body will have to wrestle with the effects of that medication,
which typically when you have side effects, it's your body's
way of letting you know that what you're doing as
a solution is not a good solution.

Speaker 1 (12:26):
So are there ever times when you believe that medications
could be a.

Speaker 3 (12:32):
Necessity, maybe as a start during a major crisis, But
it should not be offered as a true answer, and
you shouldn't have to go on for the rest of
your life.

Speaker 2 (12:40):
You should meet with a.

Speaker 3 (12:44):
Practitioner similar to what I do, to find out, well,
what's the underlying cause for I don't know your diabetes
or for your high cholesterol, or for your high blood pressure,
or for your autoimmune disease, or your digestive problems, whatever
the case happens to be. Medical may be a band
aid for a short term to give you some relief,
but that's never going to correct the problem, and you

(13:06):
don't want to get stuck in just a relief loop.

Speaker 1 (13:09):
But I mean, medications obtoms, they work fast, and so
what's the trade off between the quick symptom relief and
actually true.

Speaker 3 (13:18):
Healing well side effects for one, and the lack of
a true solution. When you stop the medication, the problem
is still there and maybe bigger as a result, or
come with new complications as a consequence of not addressing
the underlying cause of why you thought you needed the
medication and why the medication was recommended to begin with.

Speaker 1 (13:39):
So, if a person walks into your office and is
already sick, what's the first thing that you actually look for.

Speaker 3 (13:46):
The cause of the sickness? I try to categorize. Are
you dealing with a bacterial infection, a viral infection, a
fungal infection, a parasitic infection.

Speaker 2 (13:54):
Are you dealing with.

Speaker 3 (13:57):
Detox pathways that aren't open and flowing the way that
they're supposed to. I'm just trying to understand, Well, what
is the mechanism of cause of why you're feeling the
way that you're feeling.

Speaker 1 (14:08):
So, what's the difference between say you say, somebody comes
in with a cold or maybe the flu, or even
covid or something. What's the difference between the short term
illness like that versus something like high blood pressure or diabetes.

Speaker 3 (14:22):
Well, I treat everyone based upon what their body asks
for as a solution.

Speaker 2 (14:25):
And when you.

Speaker 3 (14:26):
Understand how to listen to what the body is indicating
based upon how it's presenting itself, then you come up
with solutions that counterbalance the negative effects of how the
body's expressing itself. When the body expresses itself to the
point of having a symptom, you've lost greater than sixty
percent of normal functioning and the body is crying for help.

(14:46):
When you support it to address the symptom by addressing
the underlying cause, then the body can get out of
alarm state and can go back into balance in homeostasis.

Speaker 1 (14:57):
So do you ever try to relieve somebody's that has
simpsctoms or is it all about finding the root cause?

Speaker 3 (15:03):
Well, it's always about finding the root cause, which will
then eliminate the symptoms. But we may have to do
some palative symptom treatment while we're in the process of
addressing the underlying cause. Ideally, you want to get the
person out of crisis as quickly as possible, But just
getting them out of crisis doesn't mean that the care
that they require is done. It's in fact, the care

(15:26):
that they need is just starting. Just because they're not
experiencing symptom doesn't mean that there isn't something still there
underlying that needs to be addressed.

Speaker 1 (15:35):
Gotcha, all right? So how do you like with some
of these these different diseases and things like that? I
wonder how do you actually treat a patient without using
drugs or without going into surgery.

Speaker 3 (15:48):
Well, you support the body back to its original balance
and it's support it to stay there by feeding it
and getting rid of whatever blocks or whatever things are
interfering or whatever behavior is supporting negative outcome. You make
adjustments and modifications in what the person's doing, and you
put the person back in the driver's seat of their
own health and through the time, energy and effort of

(16:12):
doing the right thing versus going off the ranch with
the wrong thing that brought them into the office. When
they continuously do the right thing, they get healthier, they
get stronger, they get more fit, and than having a
health issue is not even on the horizon.

Speaker 1 (16:30):
I mean, people are so indoctrinated with going to the
medical doctors for that approach. What kind of results can
somebody realistically expect if they come see.

Speaker 3 (16:41):
You well for carre at my office, that will you
know that they will get well? And if they follow
their instructions we find during their consultation and examination, then
there's they are going to get well. It's just a
question of well, how long has it been a problem,
and how long is it going to take to reverse it,
and how committed is the patient to wanting to make

(17:03):
the change to get a different outcome.

Speaker 2 (17:06):
The truth of it is, if you're.

Speaker 3 (17:08):
Not willing to change, then you're not going to experience
a different outcome.

Speaker 2 (17:12):
And the only way you get a.

Speaker 3 (17:13):
Different outcome is to start doing things differently.

Speaker 1 (17:15):
Well, it sounds like you're demanding that people take responsibility
for their own health, as opposed to the sort of
the god version of doctors that think that you know,
you just go to the doctor and they solve the
problem for you.

Speaker 3 (17:28):
Well, that's not the best way to take ownership of
your physical body. It's okay to consult with and to
work with a healthcare practitioner that's guiding you to better health.
But our bodies are not like our cars. You don't

(17:50):
drop your body off at the mechanic and ask them
to call you when it's fixed, like what we do
with cars. Cars, they can take an old, worn out part,
take it completely out of the car, get a brand new,
fresh one, plug it into where it belongs, and the
cars as good as new. Human beings aren't that way.
We're dynamic, we're constantly changing. We're emotional beings, we're spiritual beings.

(18:16):
We're in a physical body. And so there's a lot
that goes into somebody developing health issue, and there's a
lot that goes into needing to unravel that assuming that
the person let it go too long before they sought care.

Speaker 1 (18:32):
Well, this is really fabulous beginning to our conversation, Doc Greg,
we need to take a short commercial break. Do you
have from our sponsor, the Alternative Healthcare Network dot com.
When we get back, I want to continue asking more
questions about identifying health problems and what different approaches might
be able to do for somebody that's facing a health challenge.

Speaker 3 (18:51):
Absolutely, but please listen to this commercial from my generous sponsor.
You're listening to the Alternative Healthcare Network dot com.

Speaker 5 (18:58):
Any way, listening to the Alternative Healthcare Network.

Speaker 3 (19:02):
If you're currently suffering from any health concern and you're
not getting the results you're looking for, please feel free
to call me directly at area code eight four to
five five six one two two two five again eight
four five five six one two two two five, or
you can email me directly at doc ric at spine
boy dot com. That's Doc Riick at spine boy dot com,

(19:26):
and I look forward to serving your healthcare needs.

Speaker 5 (19:28):
Naturally, you're listening to the Alternative Healthcare Network.

Speaker 1 (19:32):
You know, we're having a great conversation here, Doc Rick,
and I just want to go a little deeper into
the question of what kind of results can people actually
realistically expect in when they come see.

Speaker 3 (19:42):
You well again care at my office. They will get
well if they follow their instructions that we find during
their consultation and examination, and uh the ways that we're
going to support them in order to get well. Problems
don't occur overnight, and they probably aren't going to get
better overnight. And it's a it's a process. Health is

(20:02):
a process, and you need to commit to your process
in order to get out of the woods.

Speaker 1 (20:09):
I mean a lot of the patients that come to
see you may have started with some kind of health problem.
They get over that health problem, and yet they continue
to see you. Why do they? Why do healthy people
come see you on a regular basis.

Speaker 3 (20:23):
To stay healthy in a world fraught with and potential
for problems. I mean, we live in a very stressful
world and we have a tendency to find problems, and
those problems impact us, and some of them are things
that we can overcome by ourselves, and sometimes we need
the guidance and support of a professional that can truly

(20:45):
help you understand what's going on with you and why
it's going on with you, and then help you to
address the why so that what goes away.

Speaker 1 (20:53):
Well, what is the difference between getting well and maintaining
your health?

Speaker 2 (21:00):
Well, that's just it.

Speaker 3 (21:01):
The patients, the healthy ones that keep coming back to me,
they're the ones who are maintaining their health by coming
back and getting a quote, hun tune up on a
relatively monthly basis or every six weeks or however long
they decide as their maintenance schedule. But getting well is
a specific process, and staying well is a lifetime commitment.

(21:23):
And so we just need to understand are what phase
are you in? Are you in the getting well phased
or you in the lifetime commitment to staying well?

Speaker 1 (21:33):
Now, how did you develop this approach? I mean, I
mean that's not the way doctors are typically trained. Well.

Speaker 3 (21:40):
I was trained as a primary care physician thirty five
thirty six years ago, and I'm trained to be a
doctor who does not prescribe medication, and I have trained
for thirty five years to understand how to help the
human condition and continue every day. And the people that
come to see me are the ones that keep my
tools sharp and keep my mind sharp. And when a

(22:04):
new patient comes in that has something that's a little
bit different or out of the norm for what people
typically experience, and my job to stay on top of
my game so that I can help explain not necessarily
what exactly is wrong or what kind of name you're
going to put on it. More importantly, it's about, well,

(22:26):
what are we going to do to address it? And
bring you back into balance and harmony.

Speaker 1 (22:30):
Now you put so much emphasis on nutrition and the
importance of that, and I'm wondering, did you always eat healthy?

Speaker 2 (22:40):
Always? No, definitely not.

Speaker 3 (22:43):
When I went away to college, my first semester of college,
I gained thirty three pounds in about.

Speaker 2 (22:48):
Eight and a half weeks.

Speaker 3 (22:49):
That's pretty quick, and that was because I'd taken the
breaks off of my ability to have food. My parents
were nice enough to help me sign up for the
twenty meal plan twenty meals a week, and the cafeteria
would open at four and it would close at seven,
and we would be there at five to four, and

(23:09):
we would leave at five after seven, and we would
just go back as many times as we wanted and
eat whatever it is that we wanted because we had
that meal plan.

Speaker 2 (23:17):
And so.

Speaker 3 (23:20):
I came home after my first trimester ten weeks of
being at school, and walked into the house and walked
up the stairs to say hello to my mom, who
I hadn't seen for about ten and a half weeks,
and the first words out of her mouth were, my god, Rick,
you're fat. Because I'd never been fat.

Speaker 2 (23:39):
A day in my life.

Speaker 3 (23:40):
I was always you know, struggling to put on weight
and maintain weight. And now I was in the excess
end of the pool and living high on the hog,
if you will, and put on a whole bunch of
unhealthy weight. And then that inspired me to while I
was studying pre med it undergrad when I wasn't studying

(24:02):
pre med, I was in the library studying nutrition and
trying to understand what food was. And you know, I
became a self taught expert in understanding how to guide
people through any kind of weight management issues, whether it's
you're too thin or whether you're too heavy.

Speaker 1 (24:24):
Now, along with learning how to eat better, are there
other personal experiences that led you to the career that
you've had.

Speaker 3 (24:32):
Well, ultimately wanting to stop disease instead of managing it
through ongoing medical treatments. I had taken my MCATs and
started applying to medical schools and pursuing a medical degree
when I had a life changing experience that changed my career,
and so I figured that it would be better to

(24:55):
stop disease where it starts, versus man treat disease that
has gone on for entirely too long and devastated the
person to where they're going to need some kind of
surgical intervention.

Speaker 1 (25:10):
So how did you discover what actually works best for
keeping people healthy?

Speaker 3 (25:14):
Through being curious and pursuing the questions being asked, mostly
my questions to get to the why people have their
specific problems, and not being willing to half asked in
any way, shape or form, you know, constantly refining and
specifying the questions to understand what is the problem and

(25:36):
what is it that needs to be done in order
to remedy the problem, not just for a short period
of time, but for the rest of the person's life hopefully.

Speaker 1 (25:44):
You know. And one of the things you do is
that you're a holistic practitioner, which means that you treat
the whole person. So can you tell us what that
actually means practically speaking.

Speaker 3 (25:55):
Well, looking at a whole person and seeing them as
a person and not just a part or a system
where they have a problem. You know, you're intocrinologists when
you have hormonal issues. You go to your cardiologists when
you have heart issues. You're pulmonologists when you have respiratory issues,
your gastroentrologists when you have digestive issues, and each one
of those doctors are specialized at understanding and remeddying and

(26:21):
treating those particular areas that they specialize in. So, if
you have a heart issue, you're going to get referred
to a cardiologist, and the cardiologist only specializes in the heart.
But you're a dynamic, multifaceted human being, and so you're
not just a heart, You're not just a brain, you're

(26:43):
not just lungs, You're you're a person that has all
of those. And so wanting to help the person holistically
and maintain balance and harmony within all of your tissues
is the approach that I take and truly enjoy taking
because I am able to transform and change people's lives.

Speaker 1 (27:02):
Well, I would think that if you are a specialist,
like you're a cardiologist, your specialty is really dealing with
people who have somewhat diseased hearts and trying to repair them,
kind of using a metaphor that you used about bringing
your auto to the.

Speaker 3 (27:20):
Shop, right, And so what's important is there's nothing wrong
with that type of care, but you just appreciate that
there has to be a full blown problem in order
for that care to kick in. That's typically when your
health insurance kicks in. I'm interested in helping you to
avoid all of those outcomes for the rest of your

(27:42):
life so that you can live life on your terms
and live the life the way that you would like
to live as happily and as healthily as you possibly can.
And there's a huge difference between being put on medication
for a lifetime and managing your condition versus correcting and
eliminating your condition and then doing what you need to

(28:02):
do in order to maintain that level of correction, not
just for whatever your problem was, but for your overall
health and making sure you never have problems well.

Speaker 1 (28:12):
One of the things that you do as a result
of your approach is that you can't just come in
there and just write a few notes down on a
computer and send the patient the prescription to the pharmacy.
You actually spend quite a bit of time with your patients.
Can you tell us a bit about what goes on
in those appointments that you.

Speaker 3 (28:34):
Have, well, whatever is required to understand the complexity of
their concerns and what it takes to fully remedy them.
I do you know thirty one different healthcare techniques, and
I draw from those thirty one different techniques in an
effort to understand what's going on within the body and
what's creating the malfunction and the lack of normal communication
and the normal regulation of wherever they're manifesting symptoms. And

(28:58):
so when we tapact from the symptom to the origin
of why that symptom was produced, and then we support
the body at that level, then the body corrects itself
and the symptom goes away without any harsh chemicals or
any surgical interventions. And so it's my job just to
continuously do that for the people that put their faith

(29:20):
in me and come to me for their way of
solving their health issue as opposed to taking medications or
setting themselves up for surgery.

Speaker 1 (29:30):
Well, speaking of that, I mean, one of the things
that happens is a lot of times somebody's health kills
a little bit off, but not anything truly symptomatic. Is
there a way that you can deal with somebody who's
pre symptomatic and turn their health around.

Speaker 3 (29:45):
Well, if they feel off, that is their way of
producing a symptom. And the answer is yes, if they
are willing. So many people because of you know, the
investment that they need to make in order.

Speaker 2 (29:59):
To maintain their health.

Speaker 3 (30:00):
When it's talking about quality food and exercise and drinking
water regularly and getting quality sleep and keeping your stress
levels low and all of that. That's an investment in time,
it's an investment in energy, and it can be an
investment financially. And so what I find interesting is in
the Western part of the world that people just expect

(30:25):
to be able to go to their doctor and the
doctor give them a prescription or snap their fingers or
what have you, when they just immediately feel better. And
that's again looking at the wrong end of the equation.
As far as I'm concerned, I want to get to
the underlying reason for where you have imbalances and address
the why you have those imbalances, and then the body

(30:46):
just restores itself.

Speaker 1 (30:48):
So, when you're looking for the causes of illnesses, how
much weight do you actually put onto the fact that
somebody expresses.

Speaker 3 (30:55):
The symptom only enough for them to open the door.
Once they open the door, in terms of their awareness
of a problem, then I give them two choices. We
can focus on what's wrong, or we can focus on
why it's wrong. And what's wrong may be continuously going
to be a problem for you if you don't address
the why. If we address the why, we get to

(31:18):
the source of it, then the problem will go away
and we'll stay away. And then I ask them which
choice would they rather pursue, and they'll all tell me
that they'd rather pursue the why than the what.

Speaker 1 (31:29):
M And how do you use nutrition to nurture somebody
back to health?

Speaker 3 (31:37):
Feed the body, and the body heals, Feed it the
things that they are missing and it heals faster. And
you know, God's first medicine with food. And so we
need to get back to making sure we have quality food,
not the bastardized crap food is for sale in the
grocery stores. We need to you know, support low farms

(32:01):
and find quality food pantries to where you can get
the quality foods while it's still quality instead of the
prepackaged crap foods that you find at the grocery store.

Speaker 1 (32:13):
Now, the kind of approaches you take the health, natural healing,
these al alternative methods, do they take longer than conventional
medicine to heal? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (32:25):
No, medicine never heals so much faster to healing than
the medical doctor. Because medical doctors don't heal, They manage
symptoms and they do surgical interventions, which kind of cuts
the problem out, but it never allows the original blueprint
to be re established if you've removed parts. So you know,

(32:46):
my job is to help the person heal, and it's
definitely faster than what medicine does, but we don't look
at it that way. We look at Okay, if you
have some kind of tumor and they go cut the out,
they think that that's faster than addressing why the person
manifested a tumor. I have a patient in my office

(33:07):
right now who's got some kind of lump or something
or other in a very intimate part of their body,
and we just sent them for an MRI and the
report of the MRI is claiming that it's one thing.
But the patient just sent me the MRI report and

(33:28):
said that he's not convinced that the MRI report actually
acknowledges what's wrong with him, and so I need to
have that comrade.

Speaker 2 (33:35):
I will see him tomorrow and have.

Speaker 3 (33:37):
That conversation with him, but I'll do some more deep
diving in terms of what the report says, so that
I have a full understanding of what they're thinking, and
then I'll get a better understanding from him. In terms
of what he's thinking, so that we can guide him
into what is his next best option as opposed to

(33:57):
just simply going after it in the way that they
would like to go after it.

Speaker 1 (34:04):
Well, I mean that leads me to this question, how
do you actually determine a person's overall state of health?
How do you go about it?

Speaker 3 (34:14):
By performing a functional exam to evaluate normal versus abnormal
function and what it takes to restore normal function. And
when we find abnormal function, we want to understand again
the mechanism for why they have that and then support
the body to return back to normal.

Speaker 1 (34:30):
I mean, you use a technique called manual muscle testing.
How does that actually work? Well.

Speaker 3 (34:36):
Muscle testing is a form of neuro feedback between the
brain and the muscles and the reflexes being tested. If
the reflex is malfunctioning, the muscle test will be weak,
and then we need to find the remedy to restore
proper function. And once we do, then the weak muscle
test in association with that original reflex will now test strong,
and now we know that we're moving them in the

(34:57):
right direction, and we're going to continue to support the
until their body's fully recovered.

Speaker 1 (35:02):
So you're confident that the assessments are accurate and that
they're guiding you in the direction to take somebody's health.

Speaker 3 (35:10):
Oh, absolutely, because I check, and I double check, and
I triple check, and I correlate a positive test result
before taking action, and once we understand what the relationships
are and what the remedy is, then we put them
on a form of care.

Speaker 1 (35:26):
Well, is it ever possible that say, somebody's muscle test
is weak and it's actually some kind of false.

Speaker 3 (35:31):
Positive not based on doing the screenings we do before
getting into the testing, we actually make sure that we're
not going to get any false positives or false negatives.
And once we have established that level of communication with
the body, then we just ask it direct questions.

Speaker 2 (35:50):
But I'm kind of.

Speaker 3 (35:53):
Somebody that has been doing this for as long as
I've been doing this, I have ways of asking the
body questions to make sure that what we've got as
an answer is the absolute, definitive answer that we need to.

Speaker 2 (36:05):
Be focused on.

Speaker 1 (36:05):
So is this all based on science or is this
based on some other approach?

Speaker 3 (36:11):
Well, manual muscle testing has been scientifically validated back when
I was in school forty years ago and confirmed many
times since then, your nervous system has no ability to
lie and therefore responds when queried.

Speaker 2 (36:26):
And so the manual.

Speaker 3 (36:27):
Muscle testing is a methodology of querying the nervous system
to find out if it's in balance or if it's
out of balance. And if we discover that it's out
of balance, and it's just a question of understanding why
it's out of balance. And then once we've determined that,
if you address the why, the outcome or the negative
effect or the what that you had goes away on

(36:49):
its own.

Speaker 1 (36:50):
Well, this is a great conversation, Doc Gric. We need
to take a short commercial break here from our sponsor,
the Alternative Healthcare Network dot com. Let me get back.
I want to close out the show some more questions
about health issues and identifying them and turning them around.

Speaker 3 (37:05):
Absolutely, but please listen to commercial from our generous sponsor.
You're listening to the Alternative Healthcare Network dot com.

Speaker 5 (37:12):
You are listening to the Alternative Healthcare Network.

Speaker 3 (37:15):
If you're currently suffering from any health concern and you're
not getting the results you're looking for, please feel free
to call me directly at area code eight four five
five six one two two two five again eight four five,
five six one two two two five, or you can
email me directly at doc Gric at spine boy dot
that's Doc Riick at spine boy dot com. And I

(37:38):
look forward to serving your healthcare needs.

Speaker 5 (37:40):
Naturally you are listening to the Alternative Healthcare Network.

Speaker 1 (37:45):
As we go into this section of our of our
show today, I wonder how do you evaluate and guide
patients as they go through the healing process.

Speaker 3 (37:54):
Well, for starters, we do a consultation. Based upon the
consultation we do and examine it. Based upon the examination,
we discover what their imbalances are. Then we prepare the
body for healing, and then we prioritize the steps to
begin where the body's wisdom informs us of where to start.
And then we go through the whole process of the

(38:18):
different steps that the body is asking for us to
help address to bring the person back to normal. And
once we've gotten through those priorities and gotten through the
prioritization process, then it's about, well, what do we need
to do in order to maintain that person at this
level of function for as long as they choose to

(38:39):
remain there.

Speaker 1 (38:40):
So how do you determine what which supplements what a
person needs and what their doses are.

Speaker 3 (38:48):
Well, we ask the body and we support it based
upon the body's response. And so there are different imbalances
that respond favorably to very specific supplements, so we will
make sure that that supplement is apropriate for them specifically.
And once we've identified the fact that that's the right
supplement for them specifically, then we ask the body for
what level of support does it need, meaning what is

(39:10):
the dosage that it needs on a daily basis, And
we ask them to support their body that way, and
then we'll see over time that they when they get better,
that the probably will need a maintenance dose of that
particular deficiency that they had and whatever it takes in

(39:31):
order to maintain the correction and the normalcy that we've established.

Speaker 1 (39:35):
So you monitor them as they go along the process.

Speaker 3 (39:38):
Then, oh, absolutely, we have return visits based on their
bodies timeframe and review and support as we go forward.

Speaker 1 (39:46):
Do you ever use conventional medical tests in your practice.

Speaker 3 (39:50):
Well, we refer them if they are done beforehand or
you know, it's just it depends if a person comes
in and they have a particular issue that we requires
some kind of medical test, whether it's a CAT scan
or an MRI, or even just a plain film X ray.
If they want validation that they have the pathogens that

(40:11):
we're finding, we can send them for a blood test.
It just depends on the circumstances. If the circumstances absolutely
warrants referring them for testing, then we will. But I'm
confident in what I do and what I've done for
nearly forty years of helping people to understand what's going
on with them. My job as a healthcare provider. Believe

(40:35):
it or not, Mark, and this may shock the audience,
but my job is to minimize to minimize the person's
health care expense by helping them address the underlying cause
of their condition as quickly as the body will tolerate
being helped.

Speaker 1 (40:52):
Wow, that's interesting. You've brought up the idea of blood tests,
and I know, if I'm working with you, that when
you look at the results of a blood test, you
actually have a much different way of evaluating what's going
on with somebody's blood work.

Speaker 3 (41:06):
Well, yeah, we understand what abnormal numbers mean when a
person's unhealthy, but we also have a very specific parameter
related to what are healthy results. So we compare healthy
results of healthy people, not do you qualify for medical
care because you are really out of balance. And so,
for instance, normal white blood cell count is between four

(41:29):
and five and a half, the medical profession will let
that number go all the way up to eleven. So
eleven is literally double what the upper end of what
is considered healthy. And so when a person comes to
me and I look at their CBC complete blood count
with a differential, and we see that their white blood
cell count is up at eight and a half, that's
three points higher than it should be. So they're dealing

(41:51):
with a subclinical infection that the medical doctors aren't going
to pick up on because it isn't severe enough for
them to actually intervene medically and get paid without the insurance.

Speaker 2 (42:02):
Company asking for paperwork.

Speaker 3 (42:04):
So when you get a positive blood test in a
medical doctor's office, you are truly sick. But so many
times people come to me and they bring their lab
tests and whether they're recent or whether they're within the
last six months to a year, and I will say, well,
when this blood test was taken, you can see right
here that you had a low grade infection. It was

(42:25):
in the acute stage. Now I would imagine if you
went and had that blood test again, that number would
be slightly elevated. Instead of being in the acute phase,
it would be more in the chronic phase. And then
I would want to help you address that. And so
sometimes we ask them to go get another blood test.
Sometimes we send them back to the medical doctor to
get a blood test. Sometimes they're just like, well, what

(42:46):
do we have to do when the blood test comes back,
And I'm like, well, this is what we would do.
And some people are very active and just want to
get to it, and they're just like, well, let's just
start doing that and then if they don't improve, then.

Speaker 2 (43:01):
We'll go get the blood test.

Speaker 1 (43:03):
Well do you ever track Somebody's like I got my
blood test a year ago and now I got a
new one, or I got a three years ago.

Speaker 3 (43:11):
And right if it's requested. Most people, when they get better,
they know they are better. And my job is to
never order tests that are not necessary. Follow Up testing
is only ordered when the person requests it. But when
they feel better and they're functioning better and everything seems
one hundred percent back to normal and they actually feel
better than they have in a while, we don't necessarily

(43:33):
need to do blood tests at that time. That's just
spending money that doesn't need to be spent.

Speaker 1 (43:37):
Well, can you use manual muscle testing to find out
what's going on with somebody's health instead of a medical test.

Speaker 3 (43:43):
No, not ideally, but it can make it so that
you don't absolutely need them, you know, with if I
find that somebody has some kind of infection, whether it's
viral or bacterial, or parasitic or fungal or what have you.
You know, if it's a parasitic infection, it's going to
have certain blood results. If it's a viral infection, it's

(44:05):
going to have different blood results. If it's a bacterial infection,
it's going to definitely have a very unique pattern. And
so it's just a question of having the tools, having
the knowledge base, and knowing how to put the whole
picture together when the person's sitting in front of you.
And manual muscle testing allows me to ask questions. That

(44:26):
saves us from spending thousands of dollars on different tests
that once you know, you don't need to order those tests.

Speaker 1 (44:36):
So what do you do if somebody comes to your
office in the middle of a health crisis, whether it's
having had a heart attack or cancer or something really
very serious like that.

Speaker 3 (44:46):
Well, I support them through the crisis and then help
them get out of the crisis as fast as possible.
And we do that whether the person's in crisis or not.
I'm always looking to restore balance to the person and
once they're on the path of returning back to balance,
then we just continue to support them that way.

Speaker 1 (45:06):
And you know, do you ever test for things like
allergies and or sensitivities to things or is it all
about pathogens and viruses.

Speaker 3 (45:19):
And well, with muscle testing and using the testing viials
that represent each of those and more during their evaluation,
we apply all of that understanding to the patient to
determine where they have weaknesses and where there's problems, and
then what are the solutions to those problems, And then
that's what helps us develop a treatment program specific for

(45:41):
them based upon their imbalances.

Speaker 1 (45:44):
Are there unusual things that you test for that people
wouldn't necessarily expect that you're looking into.

Speaker 3 (45:50):
Well, the patient is always surprised by the methods and
what we find, and many times I find what their
medical doctor would not test for. And there are times
where I find things that the patient is saying, Yeah,
I kind of thought that that's what I had, but
I couldn't get anybody to help me confirm that.

Speaker 1 (46:08):
So what about things like, because we've talked a lot
about emotions in the past, what about the past emotional
experiences that might be influencing somebody's health. Do you ever
deal with that or look at that?

Speaker 3 (46:19):
Absolutely, because your emotions definitely impact how you see the world.
So we ask if the emotional reflex is active with
their current problem, and then we treat it accordingly. If
there is an emotional component to the issue, we are
going to address that emotional component.

Speaker 1 (46:35):
H How do emotions play into the process of recovery
and getting back to balance?

Speaker 3 (46:41):
Well, Emotions, when suppressed for a long enough period of time,
will change the function within the body and result in
a health challenge. Addressing the suppressed emotion and releasing the
emotion helps restore normal balance to the person once again.

Speaker 1 (46:57):
Now, when you see somebody over a long period of time,
do they show measurable differences in their health treatments overall? Oh?

Speaker 3 (47:05):
Absolutely, and they no longer have their original health issue.
And I would say that that's a significant change in
their health outcome. But you know the ones that I've
seen for years and that come to me regularly on
a maintenance visit. We come in, we catch up, We're friends.
You know, I've known them for a while. They trust

(47:27):
me with what it is that we're doing. I know
everything about their family. I've shared some things about my
life and my family, and so it's a it's a
very warm, enjoyable relationship that I have with a majority
of my patients. And you know, they confide in me,
and they open up and talk to me about things
that they don't necessarily talk to the medical doctor about

(47:49):
or you know, I have people that use me as
their their support counselor if you will, because they know
that they can talk to me about anything and they
know that I'm going to give them straight, worthwhile answers
to whatever it is that they're they're dealing with.

Speaker 1 (48:07):
So how would a person who's maybe even listening to
our show know that this kind of program would work
for them?

Speaker 3 (48:15):
Come experience it and ask your questions, and if it
feels right, commit to it and see the results for yourself.
I mean it's you know, when you do the right
thing and you support the body the right way, then
the body responds favorably, and you notice it pretty quickly.

Speaker 1 (48:30):
There are there What are some of the treatments that
you might be using that make your approach unique.

Speaker 3 (48:36):
Neuroemotional technique that we've mentioned that dealing with the emotions
combined with a thing called total body modification, and my
experience makes what I do unique. You know, Like I said,
I have thirty two different techniques that I draw from
in the office, and that level of knowledge base and

(48:56):
being able to pull from all those different tools allow
each person in front of me to have their very
unique experience because it's an exchange of energy between their
imbalance and mind wanting to help restore balance, and so
their body, in an effort to solve its problem, will
pull from my knowledge base based upon what their body needs.

(49:17):
And so it's a very unique cocreative process and the
patients really appreciate it once they understand what we're doing,
and you know, the people who really get what it
is that I do and how I help them, they
will never go someplace else.

Speaker 1 (49:34):
You know. It's so interesting that we've talked this entire
show and we've hardly maybe not even mentioned chiropractic, but
originally your original degree that you'd use in the license
is as a chiropractor. How does fitting those adjustments that
the chiropractor would do fit into the practice and the
way you treat people's.

Speaker 3 (49:53):
Health well, When it's inappropriate to remove direct nerve interference,
we use the chiropractic adjustment. When it's just just about
you know, some kind of flipped circuit that needs to
be turned back on again, then we use other techniques,
but chiropractic stimulating the spine, either directly using my hands

(50:14):
or whether we lay them down and do a traditional
chiropractic adjustment. It's all about re establishing normal balance within
the nervous system. So it's the all the techniques that
I use in the office, we're all developed by chiropractors,
So it's it's just more advanced than chiropractic.

Speaker 1 (50:32):
So are there things like homeopathy and herbal medicines that
you use?

Speaker 3 (50:38):
I do when it's required, and many times it's one
or the other. Other times they may work in tandem,
so you know, most of it's nutritional. We do bring
in herbals somewhat more regularly and than if their toxicity
reflex is active and they need to to here's some

(51:00):
channels as far as toxins go. Then we get into homeopathy.

Speaker 1 (51:05):
Oh I'm glad you rot up the idea of channels
because that kind of ties into the meridians that are
useful in Chinese medicine. Is there a way that you
connected into what you do in all these thirty two
different techniques that you use that ties into the Chinese
medical theory. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (51:23):
I use the wisdom of the seven thousand years to
understand the relationships and the problems is they present themselves
within the people that come to me, And so we
don't do needles, so we don't do acupuncture, but I
can reset a meridian circuit so that we don't need
to place needles. It's from my perspective, it's more efficient

(51:48):
because it literally takes a couple of seconds, and we
may have to reinforce it on more than one visit,
but typically we can get a person to where their
body maintains itself when they come back to see me.
We just continually enhance its ability to maintain itself by
making sure that all the circuits are functioning and flowing

(52:10):
the way that they're supposed to.

Speaker 1 (52:11):
Wow. Well, I think we've really covered a wide range
of things that might have intrigued our listeners who have
been paying attention or to the show today. Those are
general questions, but there may be specific questions that a
listener might have that I'd like to actually get addressed
about their own particular health situation. You make yourself pretty available,

(52:34):
So before we close out the show, I'd like to
give you a chance to let us know one more time.
What are the best ways to reach out to you
and get those personal questions asked?

Speaker 3 (52:42):
Well, if a person has a health question and they're
curious to get a different perspective because they're not necessarily
getting the results that they want from the medical professionals,
best way to get a hold of me would be
to call my cell phone directly. I give you my
cell phone because I want to talk to you. I
want to cut out the middleman. I want to be
able to directly communicate with you. That cell phone number

(53:03):
is area code eight four five five six one two
two two five again eight four five five six one
two two two five.

Speaker 2 (53:13):
We live in a.

Speaker 3 (53:14):
World of technology nowadays, and people have a tendency just
to send me a text when they have a question.
But if I don't have a formal relationship with you. Uh,
your text is probably going to find its way into
my trash container because people are very intrusive with their questions,
and uh, I don't have any problems answering anybody's question,
but at least introduce yourself, tell me where you are from,

(53:37):
and how you got my phone number, et cetera. And
then I'm happy to have a dialogue with you through texting,
but I would prefer email.

Speaker 2 (53:45):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (53:45):
My email is doc Ric d oc ri c K
at spineboy dot com. I'll get back to you email wise,
probably before I'll get back to you text wise. And
the last thing you can do is simply stop into
the office. We're located at one thirty eight Street in
Poolar Park, that is in Polar Georgia. We're in sweet
four zero four of building four hundred, coming off of

(54:06):
Canal Street, where the second office on your left or
second building on your left, and when you come in
the front door where the first office on your right.
So I'd be happy to meet you, happy to understand
what your issues are, show you about what we can
do to help you, and then figure out what's the
best way to establish that relationship. So I appreciate your
time listening to our radio show this week. I'd ask

(54:29):
you to tune back in next week, same health time,
same health station. This is doctor Richard Ontune from Advanced
Alternative Medicine Center saying, I look forward to supporting you
when you're health manors my position.

Speaker 1 (54:44):
He said, you're definitely Yale. That's to the nurse. I've
seen worse. So the doctor just gave me a pin