April 12, 2025 • 38 mins
This week on the WJBO Lawn & Garden Show, Dr. Allan and Butch from Clegg's Nursery talk about azaleas,
Plus your questions on redoing your lawn, roses, and citrus trees!
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Good Saturday morning, and welcome to the WGBO Lone and
Garden Show, brought to you by Cleg's Nursery. If you
have a question about seasonal planting, lon and garden concerns
or questions about landscaping, call four nine nine WGBO. That's
four nine nine two six.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Good morning, Baton Rouge, and welcome to news radio eleven
fifty wjbo's Lawn and Garden Show.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Good morning, Alan, good morning. I haven't been here with
your Butscher in a good while.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
That's exactly what I was gonna say. It's very very
nice to have you sitting opposite.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Yes, sorry, good to see you. I was gone with
Scott a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 4 (00:43):
Sorry to hear that.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
I thought you may call in and help us through
the show, you know.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Oh yeah, okay. In fact, if I would have called in,
I would have called four nine nine five two six
sets four nine nine WJBO.
Speaker 4 (00:57):
I hear you have something very special going on to day.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Well, I don't know if it's very special, butch I
think it is. Okay, I have no idea what it is,
but I think it's very special. Well, some of you
all may know that breck Baton Rouge Park and Recreations
has the Independence Park Gardens there on Independence Boulevard. So
they're having a plant sell or spring plant seal this
morning and then at ten o'clock I'll be at the
(01:22):
Goodwood Library, which is right next door, and I'll be
talking about Louisiana superplants from ten o'clock to about ten capes.
No capes, no capes. It's just me, you.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
Know, no I met the plants, the superplants.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
Well, you know, we need to have like a walk
out a stage show there you superplants.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
Sometimes I think that's a good idea.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
So anyway, there's no admission and you don't need a
pre registertions just come by the Goodwood Library there by
Independence Park Potanical Gardens and get you some Louisiana superplant information.
Good plants to perform well force here in Louisiana.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
What are the superplants this year?
Speaker 3 (02:02):
So this year the superplants are Gara, which I call
whirling butterflies. And Gara is a very good native perennial
easy care. It's starting to bloom right now. If you
have some of your landscape good for.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
The week comes of pink and white.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Ink and of white and a rose.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Right.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
We just got a big load of new Gara and
at Seagan Lane that Zane told me about yesterday, so
I'm gonna run by and check those out. And also
the vermillionaire kufia.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Oh, I love that plant.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
Kufia is known as cigar plant, and then you also
have bat faced kufia and some other types of kufia.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
But the millionaires millionaire is nice, excellent for hummingbirds.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
Yes, and I guess when I grew up at Hammond,
they got eighteen twenty four inches tall. That's out about
what you're as to do. It's a little bit smaller
than the old David verity variety, which some of you
didn't even remember that one.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
It it works better in the landscape because it doesn't
overpower like the older varieties did, where it does kind
of stay in a little bit more of a mounding form.
It does.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
It does more excellent for hanging baskets, more controlled habit
planting like five or seven together about eighteen twenty four
inches apart, really be a nice, nice focal point there
in a bit.
Speaker 5 (03:21):
I have.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
One of the first things that I learned when you
know I'm not a landscape architect by any stretch of
the imagination. But you we'd have people come into the
stores and bring pictures or whatever. And one of the
first things that Marshall Klegg told me when I started
at Clegg's many years ago, in my first stint at Clegg's,
you always do odd numbers, yes, and it really I
(03:45):
have seen where people have done, you know, like the
fours didn't look right, So I don't know what it
is about odd numbers, but yeah, the five or sevens.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Ago well, and then you could put two up front
and three across the back, and you know, you can
do the offset planning instead of like a square planting
or something like that. So yeah, that's what the landscape
architects always teach us. Planting odd numbers. There's people, yes,
and uh. Also the southern endica azaleas are super plants, okay, now,
(04:19):
gar being George Tabor from mosa we had a very
good azalea bloom this spring. I was really pleased with that.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
That had something to do with the cold winter, did
didn't it?
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Did? I really?
Speaker 3 (04:28):
You know, the the plants went fully dormant this winter,
and that makes them spring forth with more abundant blooms.
They get concentrated in one short period of time in
the spring.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
And that's one of the things a lot of people
don't understand. Even though in azalea is ever green, it
still would like to have a dormancy or a sleep
period to get that bloom out the way it is.
In fact, we were discussing before the show, how at
the Masters Golf Tournament, which I'm sure some of the
listeners have been paying attention to, they will actually ice
(05:05):
their azaleas to give them that dormancy so that when
they're ready they get that just full full bloom like
we had in Baton Rouge.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
This year exactly. And they plant in a multitude of
variety so that at one variety is not necessarily a
peak bloom. The rest may be or some of these
are going to be in early stages of bloom and
some will be in later stages of bloom. So but
the southern end because are really good because they give
you that three week show in March early April every year,
(05:34):
and you're not gonna get them to bloom for you
in the fall, like the Encorees and the Robin Hills
and some of the other varieties, But so you got
to decide what kind of azalea performance you want in
the landscape.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
That's a great point you just brought up in it.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Again, I hope Tom isn't listening because he's not gonna
like what I'm about to say. But that's my reason
I don't promote the Encores as much as a lot
of other people do, because yes, you're gonna get what
three maybe four blooms a year out of them, but
it's not that just pizzazz bloom that you get with
(06:13):
the Indicas, which would that. Yeah, it's like the you know,
the Tabors, the Gerbians, the Promoses, they just like store
up and then for three weeks they're.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
Just explode and you really see all flowers. You don't
see the fall.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
With right, And that's again why you don't prune when
you're you know, we prune. Don't prune any later than
the fourth of July, otherwise you're gonna be cutting them off.
But again, I understand the purpose for Encore is as
they do give you sporadic blooms throughout the year. But
I just when you when I think of Isaiah's I
just think.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
Of that's that that's the all classic Isaiel. Yes, it were
first brought to the United States, you know then in
eighteen sixties or eighties or something.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
Oh you brought them over?
Speaker 3 (06:56):
Oh yes, yes, but.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
No you drive down Highland Road.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
I go down Highland Road quite a bit to with
the grandkids and all with Poppy Uber and it was
just phenomenal this year. Even some of the flowering trees
performed better this year.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Right, they did, no doubt about it. And uh, we
don't have as much coal damage in Baton Rouge as
they have in Lafayette. Lafayette got about five six degrees
colder than we got here, and uh and uh so
I still think we may have a little bit of
bark split on Azalia's in the Baton Rouge area, but
it's not gonna be as bad as what we're going
(07:34):
to see in bro Briage and Lafayete.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Napolousis, you've been doing a great job of leading me
into what I want to talk about. So we didn't
plan what we were, which I think is why it's
working much better than normal.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
Are you expecting?
Speaker 2 (07:49):
And you just mentioned the bark split on the Azalias,
which is part of what I was going to ask
I have. I thought I had dead citrus, I mean,
and I was, I was ready to go. If I
hadn't been very busy this spring, I would have cut
them down already. But I have noticed, and this is
(08:12):
as actual question for you. I don't know the answer
to this. Most of my trees are anywhere from four
to six inch diameters.
Speaker 4 (08:21):
They were mature trees.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
I'm seeing lots of sprouting along those stems. They're just
little green sprouts coming out. Are they going to make it?
Speaker 3 (08:32):
I think some of your older mature citrus trees aren't
going to make.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
It, even with them coming out on that large a diameter.
Would or is this just kind of their last gasp?
And once we get hot, if they're gonna bully up.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
And that's going to vary from tree to tree and
location to a location. But I do think that there's
gonna be more survivors than we think there's going to be.
There's gonna be that growth coming off your main central
lead or your main structural branches down toward the center
of the canopy, and there's gonna be a lot of
die back too. But well, yeah, I've got and we're
(09:11):
only in the second week in April, so we haven't
really given our citrus trees a chance to start growing.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Okay, so if if you have citrus you're concerned about,
you're recommending not cutting them off at the ground.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Yet exactly somebody pulled up all their citrus trees yesterday
and that was way too early.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Uh oh, it wasn't you, was it.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
No, it wasn't me.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
It wasn't me.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
Good.
Speaker 4 (09:33):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Like I said, we so often whenever we've had a
cold snap like we had this year. When I was
at the nursery, you would see so many people coming
in in late April May with dead plants. You know,
this just up and died, and they didn't understand when
(09:55):
we would tell them that.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
This is cold damage. Exactly right, because you.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Mentioned this, that it's splitting stems on azaleas. The translocation
of nutrients and moisture throughout the plant occurs right literally
with the millimeters underneath the bark. The wood in a
tree or a shrub is actually basically just structure. And
(10:20):
if I have any of this incorrect, doctor, oh, please
correct me. But so if you get damage to that tissue,
I call it the Christmas tree effect. When you cut
a Christmas tree off in whenever they cut the tree
to send it to the nurseries, tree is dead. But
you think about it, it's in your house for three,
(10:43):
four or five weeks and it's still basically green. Well,
that's what's happening with the plants. There may be the
bark tissue around there, maybe it has you know, seventy
percent of that is dead or eighty percent of its dead. Well,
we're cooler temperatures, we've got good moisture that ten twenty
(11:06):
percent can keep that plant alive. But once we get
into stress time, right, that's when we start to see
the die back. You know, it could be a stem
or two out of the plant, it could be the
whole plant. So that's my main concern with my question
about my actual question about the citruses. Are we going
to see that kind of damage once we get.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
Stressed and certainly certainly possible. You know, we hope not.
We hope not. I hope yours and Scotts make it.
You know, I don't care about Scott's worried about his too. Yeah,
but you know the one year old, two year old
satsumas and come quites, even those are more cold hardy.
(11:51):
They they look really really bad. I'm passing the house
and they meet when I go to Bracy's nursery and
I can tell citrus. So there were plant a year
ago a graveyard did I mean, I.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Don't know, I don't know. I don't know whose plot
it was out at Burden, but there was all the
citrus planting trees out of.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
Look they having driven over there and look closely. But
they are very just a little plug for that.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Actually, my wife and I have started doing that most
Sunday mornings. They have a very very nice nature trail
yes through Burden, and it is dog friendly. Obviously they
need to be on leashes and please clean up after
your dog. Nothing upsets me more. We carry our little
bags with us. But it's an excellent little thing to
(12:39):
walk around. Actually for children, there's a they call it
a storybook walkway. It's a very short little path and
they have and they change it out, which I thought
was really cool seasonally change out the stories in there.
So if you want to do something. There's a little
playground there too. My grandkids love it over there. So
just a little plug for Burden. Yeah, I haven't been
(12:59):
on the nature trails back there in a while. I
need to go check that out. They don't allow scooters.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
I'll hobble along. If I go too far and can't
make it back, you come.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
I'll come get you.
Speaker 4 (13:13):
Don't worry. What is.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
Alan is a consultant for Clegg's Nursery as I am now.
He gets out on the road, does a lot of
the talks like he's doing at the Goodwood Library this
morning at ten o'clock. Free admission, no need to pre register.
But you get out and visit a lot of nurseries
outside of the outside of the Louisiana area. You do
(13:38):
it talks all over the southeast mostly what is new
and exciting on the horizon. You can even say not
available in the nurseries yet.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
Well, you know next year that's going to be some
new Salvis. The proven Winters has unplugged paint and unplugged blue.
They're adding unplugged red.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
Would it be better if they were plugged in?
Speaker 3 (14:05):
I don't come up with the names. I just report
the news. There's gonna be a new Drift Rose for
next year. It's called Scarlet, which is a much darker
red than the red is.
Speaker 4 (14:16):
Okay, yeah, the red right now?
Speaker 3 (14:17):
Is kind of a there's a new orange glow knockout
and the easy Beezy knockout is replacing Sunny Knockout.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
They've been having trouble with that one happening there. Yes, yes,
isn't this a third attempt at a.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
Yellow so knockout Easy Beezy as yellow, just like Sunny
Knockout as yellow, but easy Beezy is supposed to keep
the yellow color longer. The yellow roses typically fade pale
yellow to yellowish white to white, whatever kind of description
(14:50):
you want to give on those. Buddy Lee has two
new Encorees elias for next year, Autumn Kisses fabulous. That's
got bicolor pink and blush and white. But that's try
color there.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
But so.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
What else is is they're going on?
Speaker 2 (15:13):
Is there?
Speaker 3 (15:13):
You know when you get over to the Carolinas and Tennessee,
there's all these new red buds.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Oh yeah, but all.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
Black folish red buds, red fol wish red buds, weeping
red buds, cascading red buds.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
And they were gorgeous this year. Oh my goodness, it
was again they had the similar type winter, so their
plants got a good dormancy, so they were even getting
a better bloom than normal. The cherry trees in western
North Carolina. Oh my goodness, they were.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
We accumulate large chilling hours this winter. Yes we did, Yes,
yes we did. Get out and about head by the
nursery today. It's a beautiful day out there, cooler weather.
If you've been putting off doing some planting, bedding, plants,
full bloom right now, get out and do it today.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
You want to make I was telling them before.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
We're doing a little talk before the show, just kind
of getting some ideas. I did something I haven't ever
been able to do. I actually watched some of the
Masters on TV yesterday. So get your yard work done
early this morning so you can do that later this afternoon.
We do have a caller who called in at four six.
Let's go to David. Good morning, David. Oh I just
(16:27):
turned myself off. I got to hit the wrong I
need the intern. I hit the wrong button. Good morning, David.
Welcome to news radio eleven to fifty wjbo's Lawn and
Garden Show.
Speaker 4 (16:35):
What's up, gentlemen, Good morning, and gentlemen.
Speaker 6 (16:38):
How y'all doing good?
Speaker 2 (16:39):
Good good?
Speaker 6 (16:42):
Sorry about that having alarm going off on my phone anyway,
I have in my backyard. It's an assortment of button
weed and clover and some unidentifiable green stuff that's growing up.
And I'll want to put a Saint Augustine I think
(17:03):
down in my yard. Do I have to destroy all
that other stuff or kill all that stuff off an
implant or you would be so, how do I go
by doing that?
Speaker 2 (17:12):
You would be? I would recommend that just if you
have nothing there and you want to completely change it out,
get one of the non selective herbicides round up. What's
the new one they got out there, spruce, one of
these that can go out there and just go ahead
and kill off everything. The benefit of a glycopate round
(17:37):
up kills all type product is it gets into the
root system and does a good job of completely eradicating
the plant. Some of your vinegar type and on. They
have a tendency to do more burning where you may
leave some root system there. But yeah, that gives you
an opportunity to get rid of everything. Also gives you
an opportunity at that point to do any light grading
(17:58):
that you need to do. That's one of the things
that I stress more than anything else if you're residing
the lawn is make sure that if you had some
lower areas that you get a little bit of river
silt something, build that up so that you don't have
I'm going to use air quotes moist areas where funguses
issues can start happening. Then once all that's buried ground,
(18:21):
you can take your mower, once everything turns brown, put
it on its lowest setting, try and cut that out.
Take a weed eat or whatever, try to get rid
of a lot of that dead organic material. Then just
come in, lay your side over the top of it.
Go sit down, have your favorite beverage, and enjoy your work.
So the other thing, when you're grading or if you're
(18:42):
having to do some elevation adjustment, remember when you put
side out, you're getting anywhere from three quarters of an
inch to an inch of dirt on the bottom of
that side. So you may want to watch that as
far as leveling goes. But yeah, I do you agree
or disagree?
Speaker 6 (18:56):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (18:56):
Yeah, sounds great. Yeah, you want to get in their
level everything and break up the ground a little bit. See,
get good contact of the roots of the side to
your soil.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Don't till you don't want to break it up. Where
you have air pockets and all, but you know, take
a good garden break or something like you said, rough up,
just lightly rough up the surface. But yeah, there's nothing
more beautiful than a Saint Augustine lawn.
Speaker 6 (19:20):
Yeah it is. I enjoy and I grew up with
Saint Augustine too. I've had centipede for a while, but
it's all gone. It's all like I said, I don't
know what's going back there right now. But how long
should I wait before I side to the lawn? But
(19:41):
after I spray and kill was there?
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Typically that's going to occur within a week. So if
you want to spray this weekend, you could side next weekend.
Speaker 4 (19:52):
I wouldn't be an issue at all.
Speaker 6 (19:55):
Okay, great, well, thank you, gentlemen.
Speaker 4 (19:57):
Enjoy your day, all right, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
One of the things that he brought up, and I
think is really important, is the difference between centipede and
Saint Augustine. Everybody going, hey, look exactly like they're about
as opposite a grass as you could come up with.
And one of the things he said, his centipede disappeared,
(20:23):
and I hope he's still listening. What'd like to have
asked a question of why or what happened there. If
it's a shade situation, Saint Augustine is a solution to that.
Speaker 4 (20:37):
I would suggest that.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
He go get a soil sample taking send it out
to LSU, probably going to take a couple of weeks
this time of year to get those results back, and
if he's in a hurry to side, you can sod
and then we can still come in and if there's
any corrections, we can do those. But it could be
that his soil pH had risen over time, which again
(21:00):
is a good thing for Saint Augustine. You want a
little bit higher pH there. So yeah, I grew up
in villadel Ray and we had a Saint Augustine lawn,
And all right now I've got a patch of Saint
Augustine in my backyard. I'm trying to get it to
spread out, so take over the centipede and the rest
of my lawn because it is such a you know,
(21:20):
you do have to mow a little bit more often, but.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
It's just such a you know, the main part of
our lawn when I was growing up was Saint Augustine.
Out in the country. We even had Saint Augustine. I
don't know where it came from. But when we moved
to that house that was there.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
My wife talks about her father and he was he
he could plant anything, and he had a serious green
He used to listen to the show all the time,
but he would edge his Saint Augustine and take the
sprigs and plant them. Yes, and actually had a nice
Saint Augustine lawn because of that.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
You have a busy morning.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
I do, I do. I'm trying to figure out when
I will get another that's always important. We're not going
to have any snacks at the meeting at ten o'clock.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Well maybe if you ask somebody that's going can bring
you this now maybe, So what would you like?
Speaker 3 (22:11):
Oh? I don't know.
Speaker 4 (22:12):
And where are you going to be in case they're confused.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
We're going to be at the Goodwood Library there by
Independence Park at ten o'clock talking about Louisiana superplants. And
you can also meander over to the plant seal at
the Botanical Gardens they're at Independence Park Boulevard and get
you some herbs or some roses or some pollinator plants.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
Little interesting fact that nobody cares about. That would mean
it would be an uninteresting factor. My son and I
planted several of the crape myrtles in the creepe middle garden.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
You're that old.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
I'm that old. So is my son. I think he
was like ten or twelve.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
I remember when I transferred down from North Louisiana to
Baton Rouge to Burden nineteen ninety three. They were planted
right about that time or the next year, I believe
four ninety six.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
Was Jason that young? But anyway, Jason and I planted anyway.
I won't get into details memories. Yeah, except for one guy,
but we won't get into I don't even remember who
he was. But chilling hours, Chillian hours. I was just
going to think about what was it that golly, the
(23:28):
that wasn't Neil?
Speaker 4 (23:29):
Was it Neil old Abby buck Abby?
Speaker 2 (23:32):
He? What was it he did with the live oaks?
He called it a because he planted.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
What is that?
Speaker 4 (23:38):
What is that planting oasis?
Speaker 3 (23:40):
Or what is that planting call?
Speaker 2 (23:42):
Yeah, he planted like live oaks where they were going
the canopy was all going to intermingle. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
I've heard his talk sometime in the last two or
three years, and I don't remember what he described that ass. Yeah,
But anyway, so it's very close spacing for live oaks. Yes, yes,
but there's a word for it. We can't remember what
it is in reason, just like the odd numbers.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
Where's the intern when you need her? Chillian hours, yes,
chilling hours, And I think I remember the textbook definition
is the number of hours where the temperature is below
forty two degrees?
Speaker 3 (24:19):
Well, they say forty five, forty five, forty five. I
was so close forty five and what that? And that
usually starts accumulating depending on the fall weather November first,
something around about that time.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
Is it is it for a specific time period or
is it for the year.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
It is for middle of fall until March one?
Speaker 2 (24:48):
Maybe? Oh okay, So if we hit forty three degrees
on April third, it doesn't count.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
Probably not because most of our plants have come out
of rest or dormancy by then.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
I didn't know that.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
And then, like, forty degrees for eight hours accumulates the
same number chilling hours as twenty degrees for eight hours.
Speaker 4 (25:12):
We don't get extra credit.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
We don't get extra credit for how caol we are.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
I didn't know that, but I was thinking, but that.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
Baton rose usually gets around three point fifty three hundred
and fifty chilling hours a year.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
Which is the important part. I was getting to a
lot of your fruit trees, your apples, peaches, plums, pears.
There's probably ones that I'm not thinking of. If you
do any research or read the tags at the store,
will say they require so many chilling hours. What that
means is that they have to receive that many hours
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below forty five degrees within that time period from let's
just say November to March, so that they can produce viable.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
Flowers for their flower buds to emerged properly at the
right time of the spring to.
Speaker 4 (26:02):
Be pollinated to produce fruit.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
So if you have like an el birt of peach
planet in Baton Rouge, you're never going to get a
peach because the chilling hour requirement for that's one thousand
to eleven hundred hours.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Well even you know, I mean you can even go
with a lot of the apples are in yes, in
the four hundreds exactly, and in some years we don't
get it. Some years we I mean what you said,
our average is three fifty to fifty. So yeah, I mean,
if you're if you're planting a plant that has four
hundred and fifty chilliing hours. You're going to be looking
at a deciduous tree most of the time.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
Right there, there'll be a major delay on your leaf
out and you probably won't get any bloom.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Yeah. So again, so so.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
You know in blueberries and blackberries, figs have chilling hours,
but it's so low, like one one hundred and fifty hours.
That's not a big deal on figs, right or you
could go. But that's one reason why they start leafing
out with the first warm spell in winter because they
they've I.
Speaker 4 (27:01):
Guess I didn't realize blueberries had it.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
Yeah, but if most of our you know, climax tip
blue brightwell most of those are in the three fifty hours.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
So yeah, so you're going to hit that yeah, pretty consistently.
Is why the biggest issue we have with blueberries around
here is our soil type exactly. I mean, we're very
heavy clay. Blueberries have a very similar they're actually very similar.
They're not the same. Don't say it won't butcher it
on the radio. They're the same. They're not, but they
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are very similar requirements to azalias.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
Very similar soil texture requirements, and your soil pH is
very critical on your blueberries, and maybe even a little
bit more critical than on azalias.
Speaker 4 (27:44):
What it would be the ideal of soil pH for blueberries, believe.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
It or not. Four point five yeah, five point zero. Yeah,
You're not going to see very many soils around here
that are that asset, but.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
The average You know, again, I've looked at literally thousands
of soil samples, and typically unless there has been an
amendment put in there to change at most of our
souls in Baton Rouger six, five to seven.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
That's what I was thinking. I know you probably looked
at many, many, many every week at retail.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
Yeah, but so and the other thing with our soils
here is it's clay, which you know, clay can be good,
but when you have a very fibrous root system like
you do with an azalea or a blueberry, it's very
difficult for that root system to get out into the clay.
So you really want to amend and create a bed
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for both of those plants where you've added I will
say at least fifty percent organic.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
Material exactly exactly an.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
Organic material can be if you have a compost pile
in the backyard where it's deteriorated to the point of
not recognizing what you put in. It is an excellent
thing to mix in. Clegg's has bag soils that you
can use. Actually have what we call the raised bed blend.
I again, I hope Tom isn't listening. I like the
raised bed blend that clegg sells. Again, not a commercial.
(29:09):
I'm sorry. I don't do commer you really try to
do commercials. But this is much better than the garden soil.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
IDI is right right.
Speaker 4 (29:16):
The raised bed blind is our game materials.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
Some sand has a minor nutrient packet in it that
I it's there, but don't count on it type thing
where the garden soil is a heavier soil and if.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
You can look at it and tell at least those
of us were more as.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
I'm not included in that one, but especially if you
are incorporating it with the native soil. The raised bed
blind is if you're if you're doing the and apparently
it is now if you go to the Louisiana Horticulture Commission,
if you're just piling twelve inches of dirt and not
cutting the soil below it, the garden soil is probably
(29:59):
the way to go. When did that become legal?
Speaker 3 (30:02):
I don't know, but it's sure it's common now.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
Yeah, just yeah. It's kind of like, you know, if
if I took my horticulturist test today, I would fail.
Speaker 4 (30:11):
It well because of no, because of the changes.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
I haven't seen the test in a while.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
But I.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
Kind of challenged, well, there was no way to challenge.
But there's a couple of questions that I don't think
the answers are right, and I'm not sure of the
right answer is there.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
But planting, A true part of the test I took
was how to plant I don't remember what size the
tree was, but you know, the answer then was you
dig the hole twice as deep and twice.
Speaker 4 (30:44):
As wide, and you throw all that soil away.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
And now it's.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
Totally different, totally changed, totally.
Speaker 4 (30:50):
Things do change over time.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
But going back to blueberries, going back to blueberries, or
were you finished with I would think I was finished?
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
I mean it's still a good time to plant your
fruit too. You know, we still have some good planting
weather ahead.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
The hardest thing about planting a blueberry right now is
you really need to pick all those blooms off right.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
You don't want an abundant harvest.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
Your first year. No, you want to you want that
energy going into a root system. Patty, good morning, Welcome
to news Radio eleven fifty wjbo's lawn and Garden show.
What's Up?
Speaker 5 (31:27):
Good morning, Good morning, trying to find out a really
good variety of fatsuma and to plant in our your
ard Prairieville, and also to find out is it still
a good time to plant it right now or have
I missed.
Speaker 4 (31:39):
That golden window?
Speaker 2 (31:40):
No, I definitely would not again. Summer here is our
stress time. But it's always interesting on citrus. Like Alan
and I were talking in one of the breaks, A
lot of your one and two year old satsumas are
dead because they just didn't have enough plant to survive
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that cold winter. My older varieties, which are probably fifteen
to twenty years old, are coming back. I have both
brown select and Owari in my yard. The brown select
has come back. I don't want to say it's almost perfect,
but it came back pretty much throughout the entire tree.
(32:23):
I was concerned my awari was dead, which was very upsetting.
I don't mean to get personal, but it was my
father's tree and it has started to come back, but
it is much more sporadic, and they're planted literally thirty
feet apart, so I think that's a good good comparison.
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As far as temperatures, there is a newer variety on
the market called Arctic Frost that is supposed to have
the large I think it's supposed to go down to ten.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
They're supposed to go down to ten. But I'm still yeah,
sure that's work in a real world environment.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
And again I have not had the fruit off of that,
so I can't attest to that. It is very new,
but yeah, I'm in Prairieville, so I kind of near you.
The Brown Select, like I said, does seem to have
handled the cold temperatures better than the old warri So.
Speaker 5 (33:20):
I've not seen the Brown So I've seen a Worry
quite frequently, and I've not heard of this Arctic one.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
But Brown Select are both very available, and we have
mclegg the Segan Lane and any other retail garden center
should have them, and and our wholesale there was there.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
Was a Satsuma issue up until I think February of
this year, but since then, I still keep up with
what's coming into the stores. I do a lot of
the price changing and all and I have seen satsuma's
coming into all of the klegs, and brown select was
one of them. Again, the Arctic frost is relatively new,
(34:00):
so there's not as much availability on that. But yeah,
i'd get out today, get one and get it planted.
Speaker 5 (34:06):
Okay, got one more quick question, if I'll let you go.
I has had a fat symmetry in the past where
the it was, for lack of a better way of saying,
it's very pulpy, just not much to it, not much
sweetness to it. What was the issue?
Speaker 2 (34:19):
Typically that's a moisture issue. If the plant, you know,
when you bite us at zoom, you're eighty percent of
that probably exaggeration, but is moisture. So if we have
a dry summer while that fruit is developing, it can
become very pulpy. The other thing that you need to
be careful of is to make sure that the root
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stock does not come out on that plant. If you
have branches come out very low that have thorns, they
can actually produce a fruit that is I'm going to
say unedible. But yeah, same time you see root stock
coming out, you want to make sure you cut that off.
But typically when it's pulpy, it is a moisture issue.
Speaker 5 (35:00):
Moisture, okay, all right, I appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (35:02):
Thank you, And Diane called us back. Let me make sure.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
Why don't you bring her up so I don't try
to cut her off again. Good morning, Diane, Welcome to
news radio eleven fifty w jbo's Lonagard Show. Thank you
for calling.
Speaker 5 (35:15):
Back, Oh, thank you, thank you. I have a question,
two questions about roses. Last year, I've had this hybrid rose, okay,
and it produces gorgeous, large, coral colored.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
Rose.
Speaker 5 (35:33):
This year they're blooming red and they're smaller. I thought
that was so odd.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
I'm a deferred doctor.
Speaker 3 (35:45):
Owens you don't you don't know the variety, do you?
Speaker 6 (35:49):
No?
Speaker 5 (35:50):
After my dog died right here? Yeah, that's not the
main question.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
And it's a hybrid tea or it's a high yes, probably.
Speaker 5 (36:01):
But my main question is I do have a bed
of roses, but they were planted too close together, so
now it's like a rose thicket.
Speaker 3 (36:13):
And yeah, well, if your rose was coral last year,
and you have some long branches that are originateing toward
the base of the plant that are red this year,
that's the doctor. That's the doctor who he rootstock that
is growing from the ground instead of your improved variety
that's above the graft union. So you may have some
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of that kind of thing going on.
Speaker 5 (36:37):
Yeah, well, then the rose thicket issue is totally different.
It's another set aroses. And I just don't know when
to prune them, that's all I want to know. And
should I just dig some of these out because they're
so thick.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
Well, typically, especially with hybrid t roses, we want to
go through a continuous pruning on them. We normally prune
them back to about twelve to eighteen inches every February,
and I'm very sorry about that, and that's the way
we can keep them smaller. Yeah, if they're planning to
(37:14):
say a foot foot and a half apart, you may
want to go through and thin those out. But yeah,
go ahead and prune them pretty severely right now.
Speaker 5 (37:22):
Okay, so now spring is the time to prone.
Speaker 4 (37:24):
These, yes, ma'am.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
I usually use Valentine's Day, but you're close enough and.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
It needs to be done.
Speaker 4 (37:30):
Yeah, yep, as soon as you print them, fertilize them.
Speaker 7 (37:34):
Okay, just like okay, thank you very much, all right,
thank you for the call, and I'm going to end
the show as far as Allen's concerned by upsetting him
because you were saying something about the test results or
the tests.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
Sometimes you think some of the answers are wrong. Well,
you're wrong, Peggy, Martin, Katrina and seven Sisters are the
same roads turn his mic.
Speaker 3 (37:57):
Also, Yeah, I got DNA to show you different.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
Okay, one day we're gonna sit down over an adult
beverage and you're going to explain the differences on this.
Speaker 3 (38:07):
I'll get miss Peggy to come.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
I'm busy that day anyway. Thank you for listening. You've
been listening to news radio eleven fifty wjbo's Lawn and
Garden Show. My name is Butch Drews. I'm with Clegg's Nursery.
We have four locations in the greater Baton Ridge area,
Segan Range Road in Denham, Greenald Springs and mid City
on don More. We're here every Saturday morning from eight
(38:31):
to nine to listen to your questions, comments and hopefully
learn a little bit from us, because we learn a
lot from you. Again, we've been Butch and Allen from
Clegg's Nursery. We are the independent Garden Center in Baton Rouge.
You've been listening to news radio eleven fifty wjbo's Lona
Garden Show. See you next Saturday.
Good Saturday morning, and welcome to the WGBO Lone and
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Speaker 2 (00:23):
Good morning, Baton Rouge, and welcome to news radio eleven
fifty wjbo's Lawn and Garden Show.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Good morning, Alan, good morning. I haven't been here with
your Butscher in a good while.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
That's exactly what I was gonna say. It's very very
nice to have you sitting opposite.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Yes, sorry, good to see you. I was gone with
Scott a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 4 (00:43):
Sorry to hear that.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
I thought you may call in and help us through
the show, you know.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Oh yeah, okay. In fact, if I would have called in,
I would have called four nine nine five two six
sets four nine nine WJBO.
Speaker 4 (00:57):
I hear you have something very special going on to day.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Well, I don't know if it's very special, butch I
think it is. Okay, I have no idea what it is,
but I think it's very special. Well, some of you
all may know that breck Baton Rouge Park and Recreations
has the Independence Park Gardens there on Independence Boulevard. So
they're having a plant sell or spring plant seal this
morning and then at ten o'clock I'll be at the
(01:22):
Goodwood Library, which is right next door, and I'll be
talking about Louisiana superplants from ten o'clock to about ten capes.
No capes, no capes. It's just me, you.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
Know, no I met the plants, the superplants.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
Well, you know, we need to have like a walk
out a stage show there you superplants.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
Sometimes I think that's a good idea.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
So anyway, there's no admission and you don't need a
pre registertions just come by the Goodwood Library there by
Independence Park Potanical Gardens and get you some Louisiana superplant information.
Good plants to perform well force here in Louisiana.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
What are the superplants this year?
Speaker 3 (02:02):
So this year the superplants are Gara, which I call
whirling butterflies. And Gara is a very good native perennial
easy care. It's starting to bloom right now. If you
have some of your landscape good for.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
The week comes of pink and white.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Ink and of white and a rose.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Right.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
We just got a big load of new Gara and
at Seagan Lane that Zane told me about yesterday, so
I'm gonna run by and check those out. And also
the vermillionaire kufia.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Oh, I love that plant.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
Kufia is known as cigar plant, and then you also
have bat faced kufia and some other types of kufia.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
But the millionaires millionaire is nice, excellent for hummingbirds.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
Yes, and I guess when I grew up at Hammond,
they got eighteen twenty four inches tall. That's out about
what you're as to do. It's a little bit smaller
than the old David verity variety, which some of you
didn't even remember that one.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
It it works better in the landscape because it doesn't
overpower like the older varieties did, where it does kind
of stay in a little bit more of a mounding form.
It does.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
It does more excellent for hanging baskets, more controlled habit
planting like five or seven together about eighteen twenty four
inches apart, really be a nice, nice focal point there
in a bit.
Speaker 5 (03:21):
I have.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
One of the first things that I learned when you
know I'm not a landscape architect by any stretch of
the imagination. But you we'd have people come into the
stores and bring pictures or whatever. And one of the
first things that Marshall Klegg told me when I started
at Clegg's many years ago, in my first stint at Clegg's,
you always do odd numbers, yes, and it really I
(03:45):
have seen where people have done, you know, like the
fours didn't look right, So I don't know what it
is about odd numbers, but yeah, the five or sevens.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Ago well, and then you could put two up front
and three across the back, and you know, you can
do the offset planning instead of like a square planting
or something like that. So yeah, that's what the landscape
architects always teach us. Planting odd numbers. There's people, yes,
and uh. Also the southern endica azaleas are super plants, okay, now,
(04:19):
gar being George Tabor from mosa we had a very
good azalea bloom this spring. I was really pleased with that.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
That had something to do with the cold winter, did
didn't it?
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Did? I really?
Speaker 3 (04:28):
You know, the the plants went fully dormant this winter,
and that makes them spring forth with more abundant blooms.
They get concentrated in one short period of time in
the spring.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
And that's one of the things a lot of people
don't understand. Even though in azalea is ever green, it
still would like to have a dormancy or a sleep
period to get that bloom out the way it is.
In fact, we were discussing before the show, how at
the Masters Golf Tournament, which I'm sure some of the
listeners have been paying attention to, they will actually ice
(05:05):
their azaleas to give them that dormancy so that when
they're ready they get that just full full bloom like
we had in Baton Rouge.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
This year exactly. And they plant in a multitude of
variety so that at one variety is not necessarily a
peak bloom. The rest may be or some of these
are going to be in early stages of bloom and
some will be in later stages of bloom. So but
the southern end because are really good because they give
you that three week show in March early April every year,
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and you're not gonna get them to bloom for you
in the fall, like the Encorees and the Robin Hills
and some of the other varieties, But so you got
to decide what kind of azalea performance you want in
the landscape.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
That's a great point you just brought up in it.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Again, I hope Tom isn't listening because he's not gonna
like what I'm about to say. But that's my reason
I don't promote the Encores as much as a lot
of other people do, because yes, you're gonna get what
three maybe four blooms a year out of them, but
it's not that just pizzazz bloom that you get with
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the Indicas, which would that. Yeah, it's like the you know,
the Tabors, the Gerbians, the Promoses, they just like store
up and then for three weeks they're.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
Just explode and you really see all flowers. You don't
see the fall.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
With right, And that's again why you don't prune when
you're you know, we prune. Don't prune any later than
the fourth of July, otherwise you're gonna be cutting them off.
But again, I understand the purpose for Encore is as
they do give you sporadic blooms throughout the year. But
I just when you when I think of Isaiah's I
just think.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
Of that's that that's the all classic Isaiel. Yes, it were
first brought to the United States, you know then in
eighteen sixties or eighties or something.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
Oh you brought them over?
Speaker 3 (06:56):
Oh yes, yes, but.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
No you drive down Highland Road.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
I go down Highland Road quite a bit to with
the grandkids and all with Poppy Uber and it was
just phenomenal this year. Even some of the flowering trees
performed better this year.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Right, they did, no doubt about it. And uh, we
don't have as much coal damage in Baton Rouge as
they have in Lafayette. Lafayette got about five six degrees
colder than we got here, and uh and uh so
I still think we may have a little bit of
bark split on Azalia's in the Baton Rouge area, but
it's not gonna be as bad as what we're going
(07:34):
to see in bro Briage and Lafayete.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Napolousis, you've been doing a great job of leading me
into what I want to talk about. So we didn't
plan what we were, which I think is why it's
working much better than normal.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
Are you expecting?
Speaker 2 (07:49):
And you just mentioned the bark split on the Azalias,
which is part of what I was going to ask
I have. I thought I had dead citrus, I mean,
and I was, I was ready to go. If I
hadn't been very busy this spring, I would have cut
them down already. But I have noticed, and this is
(08:12):
as actual question for you. I don't know the answer
to this. Most of my trees are anywhere from four
to six inch diameters.
Speaker 4 (08:21):
They were mature trees.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
I'm seeing lots of sprouting along those stems. They're just
little green sprouts coming out. Are they going to make it?
Speaker 3 (08:32):
I think some of your older mature citrus trees aren't
going to make.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
It, even with them coming out on that large a diameter.
Would or is this just kind of their last gasp?
And once we get hot, if they're gonna bully up.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
And that's going to vary from tree to tree and
location to a location. But I do think that there's
gonna be more survivors than we think there's going to be.
There's gonna be that growth coming off your main central
lead or your main structural branches down toward the center
of the canopy, and there's gonna be a lot of
die back too. But well, yeah, I've got and we're
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only in the second week in April, so we haven't
really given our citrus trees a chance to start growing.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Okay, so if if you have citrus you're concerned about,
you're recommending not cutting them off at the ground.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Yet exactly somebody pulled up all their citrus trees yesterday
and that was way too early.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Uh oh, it wasn't you, was it.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
No, it wasn't me.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
It wasn't me.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
Good.
Speaker 4 (09:33):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Like I said, we so often whenever we've had a
cold snap like we had this year. When I was
at the nursery, you would see so many people coming
in in late April May with dead plants. You know,
this just up and died, and they didn't understand when
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we would tell them that.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
This is cold damage. Exactly right, because you.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Mentioned this, that it's splitting stems on azaleas. The translocation
of nutrients and moisture throughout the plant occurs right literally
with the millimeters underneath the bark. The wood in a
tree or a shrub is actually basically just structure. And
(10:20):
if I have any of this incorrect, doctor, oh, please
correct me. But so if you get damage to that tissue,
I call it the Christmas tree effect. When you cut
a Christmas tree off in whenever they cut the tree
to send it to the nurseries, tree is dead. But
you think about it, it's in your house for three,
(10:43):
four or five weeks and it's still basically green. Well,
that's what's happening with the plants. There may be the
bark tissue around there, maybe it has you know, seventy
percent of that is dead or eighty percent of its dead. Well,
we're cooler temperatures, we've got good moisture that ten twenty
(11:06):
percent can keep that plant alive. But once we get
into stress time, right, that's when we start to see
the die back. You know, it could be a stem
or two out of the plant, it could be the
whole plant. So that's my main concern with my question
about my actual question about the citruses. Are we going
to see that kind of damage once we get.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
Stressed and certainly certainly possible. You know, we hope not.
We hope not. I hope yours and Scotts make it.
You know, I don't care about Scott's worried about his too. Yeah,
but you know the one year old, two year old
satsumas and come quites, even those are more cold hardy.
(11:51):
They they look really really bad. I'm passing the house
and they meet when I go to Bracy's nursery and
I can tell citrus. So there were plant a year
ago a graveyard did I mean, I.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Don't know, I don't know. I don't know whose plot
it was out at Burden, but there was all the
citrus planting trees out of.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
Look they having driven over there and look closely. But
they are very just a little plug for that.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Actually, my wife and I have started doing that most
Sunday mornings. They have a very very nice nature trail
yes through Burden, and it is dog friendly. Obviously they
need to be on leashes and please clean up after
your dog. Nothing upsets me more. We carry our little
bags with us. But it's an excellent little thing to
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walk around. Actually for children, there's a they call it
a storybook walkway. It's a very short little path and
they have and they change it out, which I thought
was really cool seasonally change out the stories in there.
So if you want to do something. There's a little
playground there too. My grandkids love it over there. So
just a little plug for Burden. Yeah, I haven't been
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on the nature trails back there in a while. I
need to go check that out. They don't allow scooters.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
I'll hobble along. If I go too far and can't
make it back, you come.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
I'll come get you.
Speaker 4 (13:13):
Don't worry. What is.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
Alan is a consultant for Clegg's Nursery as I am now.
He gets out on the road, does a lot of
the talks like he's doing at the Goodwood Library this
morning at ten o'clock. Free admission, no need to pre register.
But you get out and visit a lot of nurseries
outside of the outside of the Louisiana area. You do
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it talks all over the southeast mostly what is new
and exciting on the horizon. You can even say not
available in the nurseries yet.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
Well, you know next year that's going to be some
new Salvis. The proven Winters has unplugged paint and unplugged blue.
They're adding unplugged red.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
Would it be better if they were plugged in?
Speaker 3 (14:05):
I don't come up with the names. I just report
the news. There's gonna be a new Drift Rose for
next year. It's called Scarlet, which is a much darker
red than the red is.
Speaker 4 (14:16):
Okay, yeah, the red right now?
Speaker 3 (14:17):
Is kind of a there's a new orange glow knockout
and the easy Beezy knockout is replacing Sunny Knockout.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
They've been having trouble with that one happening there. Yes, yes,
isn't this a third attempt at a.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
Yellow so knockout Easy Beezy as yellow, just like Sunny
Knockout as yellow, but easy Beezy is supposed to keep
the yellow color longer. The yellow roses typically fade pale
yellow to yellowish white to white, whatever kind of description
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you want to give on those. Buddy Lee has two
new Encorees elias for next year, Autumn Kisses fabulous. That's
got bicolor pink and blush and white. But that's try
color there.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
But so.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
What else is is they're going on?
Speaker 2 (15:13):
Is there?
Speaker 3 (15:13):
You know when you get over to the Carolinas and Tennessee,
there's all these new red buds.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Oh yeah, but all.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
Black folish red buds, red fol wish red buds, weeping
red buds, cascading red buds.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
And they were gorgeous this year. Oh my goodness, it
was again they had the similar type winter, so their
plants got a good dormancy, so they were even getting
a better bloom than normal. The cherry trees in western
North Carolina. Oh my goodness, they were.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
We accumulate large chilling hours this winter. Yes we did, Yes,
yes we did. Get out and about head by the
nursery today. It's a beautiful day out there, cooler weather.
If you've been putting off doing some planting, bedding, plants,
full bloom right now, get out and do it today.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
You want to make I was telling them before.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
We're doing a little talk before the show, just kind
of getting some ideas. I did something I haven't ever
been able to do. I actually watched some of the
Masters on TV yesterday. So get your yard work done
early this morning so you can do that later this afternoon.
We do have a caller who called in at four six.
Let's go to David. Good morning, David. Oh I just
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turned myself off. I got to hit the wrong I
need the intern. I hit the wrong button. Good morning, David.
Welcome to news radio eleven to fifty wjbo's Lawn and
Garden Show.
Speaker 4 (16:35):
What's up, gentlemen, Good morning, and gentlemen.
Speaker 6 (16:38):
How y'all doing good?
Speaker 2 (16:39):
Good good?
Speaker 6 (16:42):
Sorry about that having alarm going off on my phone anyway,
I have in my backyard. It's an assortment of button
weed and clover and some unidentifiable green stuff that's growing up.
And I'll want to put a Saint Augustine I think
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down in my yard. Do I have to destroy all
that other stuff or kill all that stuff off an
implant or you would be so, how do I go
by doing that?
Speaker 2 (17:12):
You would be? I would recommend that just if you
have nothing there and you want to completely change it out,
get one of the non selective herbicides round up. What's
the new one they got out there, spruce, one of
these that can go out there and just go ahead
and kill off everything. The benefit of a glycopate round
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up kills all type product is it gets into the
root system and does a good job of completely eradicating
the plant. Some of your vinegar type and on. They
have a tendency to do more burning where you may
leave some root system there. But yeah, that gives you
an opportunity to get rid of everything. Also gives you
an opportunity at that point to do any light grading
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that you need to do. That's one of the things
that I stress more than anything else if you're residing
the lawn is make sure that if you had some
lower areas that you get a little bit of river
silt something, build that up so that you don't have
I'm going to use air quotes moist areas where funguses
issues can start happening. Then once all that's buried ground,
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you can take your mower, once everything turns brown, put
it on its lowest setting, try and cut that out.
Take a weed eat or whatever, try to get rid
of a lot of that dead organic material. Then just
come in, lay your side over the top of it.
Go sit down, have your favorite beverage, and enjoy your work.
So the other thing, when you're grading or if you're
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having to do some elevation adjustment, remember when you put
side out, you're getting anywhere from three quarters of an
inch to an inch of dirt on the bottom of
that side. So you may want to watch that as
far as leveling goes. But yeah, I do you agree
or disagree?
Speaker 6 (18:56):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (18:56):
Yeah, sounds great. Yeah, you want to get in their
level everything and break up the ground a little bit. See,
get good contact of the roots of the side to
your soil.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Don't till you don't want to break it up. Where
you have air pockets and all, but you know, take
a good garden break or something like you said, rough up,
just lightly rough up the surface. But yeah, there's nothing
more beautiful than a Saint Augustine lawn.
Speaker 6 (19:20):
Yeah it is. I enjoy and I grew up with
Saint Augustine too. I've had centipede for a while, but
it's all gone. It's all like I said, I don't
know what's going back there right now. But how long
should I wait before I side to the lawn? But
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after I spray and kill was there?
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Typically that's going to occur within a week. So if
you want to spray this weekend, you could side next weekend.
Speaker 4 (19:52):
I wouldn't be an issue at all.
Speaker 6 (19:55):
Okay, great, well, thank you, gentlemen.
Speaker 4 (19:57):
Enjoy your day, all right, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
One of the things that he brought up, and I
think is really important, is the difference between centipede and
Saint Augustine. Everybody going, hey, look exactly like they're about
as opposite a grass as you could come up with.
And one of the things he said, his centipede disappeared,
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and I hope he's still listening. What'd like to have
asked a question of why or what happened there. If
it's a shade situation, Saint Augustine is a solution to that.
Speaker 4 (20:37):
I would suggest that.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
He go get a soil sample taking send it out
to LSU, probably going to take a couple of weeks
this time of year to get those results back, and
if he's in a hurry to side, you can sod
and then we can still come in and if there's
any corrections, we can do those. But it could be
that his soil pH had risen over time, which again
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is a good thing for Saint Augustine. You want a
little bit higher pH there. So yeah, I grew up
in villadel Ray and we had a Saint Augustine lawn,
And all right now I've got a patch of Saint
Augustine in my backyard. I'm trying to get it to
spread out, so take over the centipede and the rest
of my lawn because it is such a you know,
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you do have to mow a little bit more often, but.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
It's just such a you know, the main part of
our lawn when I was growing up was Saint Augustine.
Out in the country. We even had Saint Augustine. I
don't know where it came from. But when we moved
to that house that was there.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
My wife talks about her father and he was he
he could plant anything, and he had a serious green
He used to listen to the show all the time,
but he would edge his Saint Augustine and take the
sprigs and plant them. Yes, and actually had a nice
Saint Augustine lawn because of that.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
You have a busy morning.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
I do, I do. I'm trying to figure out when
I will get another that's always important. We're not going
to have any snacks at the meeting at ten o'clock.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Well maybe if you ask somebody that's going can bring
you this now maybe, So what would you like?
Speaker 3 (22:11):
Oh? I don't know.
Speaker 4 (22:12):
And where are you going to be in case they're confused.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
We're going to be at the Goodwood Library there by
Independence Park at ten o'clock talking about Louisiana superplants. And
you can also meander over to the plant seal at
the Botanical Gardens they're at Independence Park Boulevard and get
you some herbs or some roses or some pollinator plants.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
Little interesting fact that nobody cares about. That would mean
it would be an uninteresting factor. My son and I
planted several of the crape myrtles in the creepe middle garden.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
You're that old.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
I'm that old. So is my son. I think he
was like ten or twelve.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
I remember when I transferred down from North Louisiana to
Baton Rouge to Burden nineteen ninety three. They were planted
right about that time or the next year, I believe
four ninety six.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
Was Jason that young? But anyway, Jason and I planted anyway.
I won't get into details memories. Yeah, except for one guy,
but we won't get into I don't even remember who
he was. But chilling hours, Chillian hours. I was just
going to think about what was it that golly, the
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that wasn't Neil?
Speaker 4 (23:29):
Was it Neil old Abby buck Abby?
Speaker 2 (23:32):
He? What was it he did with the live oaks?
He called it a because he planted.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
What is that?
Speaker 4 (23:38):
What is that planting oasis?
Speaker 3 (23:40):
Or what is that planting call?
Speaker 2 (23:42):
Yeah, he planted like live oaks where they were going
the canopy was all going to intermingle. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
I've heard his talk sometime in the last two or
three years, and I don't remember what he described that ass. Yeah,
But anyway, so it's very close spacing for live oaks. Yes, yes,
but there's a word for it. We can't remember what
it is in reason, just like the odd numbers.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
Where's the intern when you need her? Chillian hours, yes,
chilling hours, And I think I remember the textbook definition
is the number of hours where the temperature is below
forty two degrees?
Speaker 3 (24:19):
Well, they say forty five, forty five, forty five. I
was so close forty five and what that? And that
usually starts accumulating depending on the fall weather November first,
something around about that time.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
Is it is it for a specific time period or
is it for the year.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
It is for middle of fall until March one?
Speaker 2 (24:48):
Maybe? Oh okay, So if we hit forty three degrees
on April third, it doesn't count.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
Probably not because most of our plants have come out
of rest or dormancy by then.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
I didn't know that.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
And then, like, forty degrees for eight hours accumulates the
same number chilling hours as twenty degrees for eight hours.
Speaker 4 (25:12):
We don't get extra credit.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
We don't get extra credit for how caol we are.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
I didn't know that, but I was thinking, but that.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
Baton rose usually gets around three point fifty three hundred
and fifty chilling hours a year.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
Which is the important part. I was getting to a
lot of your fruit trees, your apples, peaches, plums, pears.
There's probably ones that I'm not thinking of. If you
do any research or read the tags at the store,
will say they require so many chilling hours. What that
means is that they have to receive that many hours
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below forty five degrees within that time period from let's
just say November to March, so that they can produce viable.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
Flowers for their flower buds to emerged properly at the
right time of the spring to.
Speaker 4 (26:02):
Be pollinated to produce fruit.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
So if you have like an el birt of peach
planet in Baton Rouge, you're never going to get a
peach because the chilling hour requirement for that's one thousand
to eleven hundred hours.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Well even you know, I mean you can even go
with a lot of the apples are in yes, in
the four hundreds exactly, and in some years we don't
get it. Some years we I mean what you said,
our average is three fifty to fifty. So yeah, I mean,
if you're if you're planting a plant that has four
hundred and fifty chilliing hours. You're going to be looking
at a deciduous tree most of the time.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
Right there, there'll be a major delay on your leaf
out and you probably won't get any bloom.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Yeah. So again, so so.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
You know in blueberries and blackberries, figs have chilling hours,
but it's so low, like one one hundred and fifty hours.
That's not a big deal on figs, right or you
could go. But that's one reason why they start leafing
out with the first warm spell in winter because they
they've I.
Speaker 4 (27:01):
Guess I didn't realize blueberries had it.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
Yeah, but if most of our you know, climax tip
blue brightwell most of those are in the three fifty hours.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
So yeah, so you're going to hit that yeah, pretty consistently.
Is why the biggest issue we have with blueberries around
here is our soil type exactly. I mean, we're very
heavy clay. Blueberries have a very similar they're actually very similar.
They're not the same. Don't say it won't butcher it
on the radio. They're the same. They're not, but they
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are very similar requirements to azalias.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
Very similar soil texture requirements, and your soil pH is
very critical on your blueberries, and maybe even a little
bit more critical than on azalias.
Speaker 4 (27:44):
What it would be the ideal of soil pH for blueberries, believe.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
It or not. Four point five yeah, five point zero. Yeah,
You're not going to see very many soils around here
that are that asset, but.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
The average You know, again, I've looked at literally thousands
of soil samples, and typically unless there has been an
amendment put in there to change at most of our
souls in Baton Rouger six, five to seven.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
That's what I was thinking. I know you probably looked
at many, many, many every week at retail.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
Yeah, but so and the other thing with our soils
here is it's clay, which you know, clay can be good,
but when you have a very fibrous root system like
you do with an azalea or a blueberry, it's very
difficult for that root system to get out into the clay.
So you really want to amend and create a bed
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for both of those plants where you've added I will
say at least fifty percent organic.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
Material exactly exactly an.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
Organic material can be if you have a compost pile
in the backyard where it's deteriorated to the point of
not recognizing what you put in. It is an excellent
thing to mix in. Clegg's has bag soils that you
can use. Actually have what we call the raised bed blend.
I again, I hope Tom isn't listening. I like the
raised bed blend that clegg sells. Again, not a commercial.
(29:09):
I'm sorry. I don't do commer you really try to
do commercials. But this is much better than the garden soil.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
IDI is right right.
Speaker 4 (29:16):
The raised bed blind is our game materials.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
Some sand has a minor nutrient packet in it that
I it's there, but don't count on it type thing
where the garden soil is a heavier soil and if.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
You can look at it and tell at least those
of us were more as.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
I'm not included in that one, but especially if you
are incorporating it with the native soil. The raised bed
blind is if you're if you're doing the and apparently
it is now if you go to the Louisiana Horticulture Commission,
if you're just piling twelve inches of dirt and not
cutting the soil below it, the garden soil is probably
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the way to go. When did that become legal?
Speaker 3 (30:02):
I don't know, but it's sure it's common now.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
Yeah, just yeah. It's kind of like, you know, if
if I took my horticulturist test today, I would fail.
Speaker 4 (30:11):
It well because of no, because of the changes.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
I haven't seen the test in a while.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
But I.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
Kind of challenged, well, there was no way to challenge.
But there's a couple of questions that I don't think
the answers are right, and I'm not sure of the
right answer is there.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
But planting, A true part of the test I took
was how to plant I don't remember what size the
tree was, but you know, the answer then was you
dig the hole twice as deep and twice.
Speaker 4 (30:44):
As wide, and you throw all that soil away.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
And now it's.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
Totally different, totally changed, totally.
Speaker 4 (30:50):
Things do change over time.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
But going back to blueberries, going back to blueberries, or
were you finished with I would think I was finished?
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
I mean it's still a good time to plant your
fruit too. You know, we still have some good planting
weather ahead.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
The hardest thing about planting a blueberry right now is
you really need to pick all those blooms off right.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
You don't want an abundant harvest.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
Your first year. No, you want to you want that
energy going into a root system. Patty, good morning, Welcome
to news Radio eleven fifty wjbo's lawn and Garden show.
What's Up?
Speaker 5 (31:27):
Good morning, Good morning, trying to find out a really
good variety of fatsuma and to plant in our your
ard Prairieville, and also to find out is it still
a good time to plant it right now or have
I missed.
Speaker 4 (31:39):
That golden window?
Speaker 2 (31:40):
No, I definitely would not again. Summer here is our
stress time. But it's always interesting on citrus. Like Alan
and I were talking in one of the breaks, A
lot of your one and two year old satsumas are
dead because they just didn't have enough plant to survive
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that cold winter. My older varieties, which are probably fifteen
to twenty years old, are coming back. I have both
brown select and Owari in my yard. The brown select
has come back. I don't want to say it's almost perfect,
but it came back pretty much throughout the entire tree.
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I was concerned my awari was dead, which was very upsetting.
I don't mean to get personal, but it was my
father's tree and it has started to come back, but
it is much more sporadic, and they're planted literally thirty
feet apart, so I think that's a good good comparison.
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As far as temperatures, there is a newer variety on
the market called Arctic Frost that is supposed to have
the large I think it's supposed to go down to ten.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
They're supposed to go down to ten. But I'm still yeah,
sure that's work in a real world environment.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
And again I have not had the fruit off of that,
so I can't attest to that. It is very new,
but yeah, I'm in Prairieville, so I kind of near you.
The Brown Select, like I said, does seem to have
handled the cold temperatures better than the old warri So.
Speaker 5 (33:20):
I've not seen the Brown So I've seen a Worry
quite frequently, and I've not heard of this Arctic one.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
But Brown Select are both very available, and we have
mclegg the Segan Lane and any other retail garden center
should have them, and and our wholesale there was there.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
Was a Satsuma issue up until I think February of
this year, but since then, I still keep up with
what's coming into the stores. I do a lot of
the price changing and all and I have seen satsuma's
coming into all of the klegs, and brown select was
one of them. Again, the Arctic frost is relatively new,
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so there's not as much availability on that. But yeah,
i'd get out today, get one and get it planted.
Speaker 5 (34:06):
Okay, got one more quick question, if I'll let you go.
I has had a fat symmetry in the past where
the it was, for lack of a better way of saying,
it's very pulpy, just not much to it, not much
sweetness to it. What was the issue?
Speaker 2 (34:19):
Typically that's a moisture issue. If the plant, you know,
when you bite us at zoom, you're eighty percent of
that probably exaggeration, but is moisture. So if we have
a dry summer while that fruit is developing, it can
become very pulpy. The other thing that you need to
be careful of is to make sure that the root
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stock does not come out on that plant. If you
have branches come out very low that have thorns, they
can actually produce a fruit that is I'm going to
say unedible. But yeah, same time you see root stock
coming out, you want to make sure you cut that off.
But typically when it's pulpy, it is a moisture issue.
Speaker 5 (35:00):
Moisture, okay, all right, I appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (35:02):
Thank you, And Diane called us back. Let me make sure.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
Why don't you bring her up so I don't try
to cut her off again. Good morning, Diane, Welcome to
news radio eleven fifty w jbo's Lonagard Show. Thank you
for calling.
Speaker 5 (35:15):
Back, Oh, thank you, thank you. I have a question,
two questions about roses. Last year, I've had this hybrid rose, okay,
and it produces gorgeous, large, coral colored.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
Rose.
Speaker 5 (35:33):
This year they're blooming red and they're smaller. I thought
that was so odd.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
I'm a deferred doctor.
Speaker 3 (35:45):
Owens you don't you don't know the variety, do you?
Speaker 6 (35:49):
No?
Speaker 5 (35:50):
After my dog died right here? Yeah, that's not the
main question.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
And it's a hybrid tea or it's a high yes, probably.
Speaker 5 (36:01):
But my main question is I do have a bed
of roses, but they were planted too close together, so
now it's like a rose thicket.
Speaker 3 (36:13):
And yeah, well, if your rose was coral last year,
and you have some long branches that are originateing toward
the base of the plant that are red this year,
that's the doctor. That's the doctor who he rootstock that
is growing from the ground instead of your improved variety
that's above the graft union. So you may have some
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of that kind of thing going on.
Speaker 5 (36:37):
Yeah, well, then the rose thicket issue is totally different.
It's another set aroses. And I just don't know when
to prune them, that's all I want to know. And
should I just dig some of these out because they're
so thick.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
Well, typically, especially with hybrid t roses, we want to
go through a continuous pruning on them. We normally prune
them back to about twelve to eighteen inches every February,
and I'm very sorry about that, and that's the way
we can keep them smaller. Yeah, if they're planning to
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say a foot foot and a half apart, you may
want to go through and thin those out. But yeah,
go ahead and prune them pretty severely right now.
Speaker 5 (37:22):
Okay, so now spring is the time to prone.
Speaker 4 (37:24):
These, yes, ma'am.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
I usually use Valentine's Day, but you're close enough and.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
It needs to be done.
Speaker 4 (37:30):
Yeah, yep, as soon as you print them, fertilize them.
Speaker 7 (37:34):
Okay, just like okay, thank you very much, all right,
thank you for the call, and I'm going to end
the show as far as Allen's concerned by upsetting him
because you were saying something about the test results or
the tests.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
Sometimes you think some of the answers are wrong. Well,
you're wrong, Peggy, Martin, Katrina and seven Sisters are the
same roads turn his mic.
Speaker 3 (37:57):
Also, Yeah, I got DNA to show you different.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
Okay, one day we're gonna sit down over an adult
beverage and you're going to explain the differences on this.
Speaker 3 (38:07):
I'll get miss Peggy to come.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
I'm busy that day anyway. Thank you for listening. You've
been listening to news radio eleven fifty wjbo's Lawn and
Garden Show. My name is Butch Drews. I'm with Clegg's Nursery.
We have four locations in the greater Baton Ridge area,
Segan Range Road in Denham, Greenald Springs and mid City
on don More. We're here every Saturday morning from eight
(38:31):
to nine to listen to your questions, comments and hopefully
learn a little bit from us, because we learn a
lot from you. Again, we've been Butch and Allen from
Clegg's Nursery. We are the independent Garden Center in Baton Rouge.
You've been listening to news radio eleven fifty wjbo's Lona
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