May 10, 2025 • 44 mins
This week on the WJBO Lawn & Garden Show, Scott and Dr. Allen from Clegg's Nursery cover a number of topics, including bedding plants, why soil pH levels are important, how our focus in the garden changes from pleasant to hot weather, and let the bees do their work!
Also, a call from Butch about die back on his citrus leads to a conversation of how it's probably time to make a decision on any that were damaged by our cold snaps earlier this year.
Then there's plenty of your questions including asks on tomato plants, tilling, insects in a lawn, and whether it's time to trim crepe myrtles!
If you would like to be part of the WJBO Lawn & Garden Show, give us a call Saturday mornings between 8 and 9am at (225) 499-9526 - that's 499-WJBO! You can also leave us a message using the red Talkback Mic button if you're listening on our free iHeartRadio app!
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Also, a call from Butch about die back on his citrus leads to a conversation of how it's probably time to make a decision on any that were damaged by our cold snaps earlier this year.
Then there's plenty of your questions including asks on tomato plants, tilling, insects in a lawn, and whether it's time to trim crepe myrtles!
If you would like to be part of the WJBO Lawn & Garden Show, give us a call Saturday mornings between 8 and 9am at (225) 499-9526 - that's 499-WJBO! You can also leave us a message using the red Talkback Mic button if you're listening on our free iHeartRadio app!
Make sure you've updated to the latest version of the iHeartRadio app to add WJBO Newsradio 1150 AM & 98.7 FM as your #1 preset, just like in your car! You can also make the WJBO Lawn & Garden Show podcast a preset too!
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Good Saturday morning, and welcome to the WGBO Lone and
Garden Show, brought to you by Cleg's Nursery. If you
have a question about seasonal planting, lon and garden concerns
are questions about landscaping called four nine nine WGBO.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
That's four nine nine six.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Good morning, Baton Rouge. It's a beautiful Saturday morning here
in the Capitol City. You are listening to the WJBO
lawn a Garden Show. My name is Scott Rica here
this morning with doctor Allan Owings. Good morning, Alan, how
are you.
Speaker 4 (00:36):
Good morning, Scott, A nice morning and metropolitan Baton Rouge.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
I got from the house to the truck and then
from the truck to the building without getting wet.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
I tell you what. The rain hung around all day.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Every hour yesterday, Yeah did it didn't And you know what, Allan,
I'm so sorry. I didn't mean to leave out Jeremy Porcin,
who takes care of us in there, tries to keep
us sounding good, which could be when I'm here, that
could be a lot of work.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
So uh well, it takes a while to get through
all of our opening comments and editorial and everything it does.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
And uh you know, if y'all don't want to listen
to the editorial, you can stop us dead in our
tracks by picking up the phone and giving us a
call at four nine nine five two six, that's four
nine nine w JBO. And we're here for you know,
the hour, right, and we can discuss lots of things
about lawn and garden.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
And we can.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
Yeah, I posted the Clegs Nursery Facebook ad for the
weekend for the ad on Facebook this morning and said
you and I would be on WJB on and to
give us a call. So I anticipate. I sure hope
it gets filling up.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
Well, they probably have to finish your coffee first, like me,
you know, I'm down to like you know, I've got
about a third left.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
So everybody's going to start calling at eight forty five.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
That's usually what happens, which is okay, you know, if
you're just enjoying listening, that's a good thing.
Speaker 4 (02:02):
But at sixty four degrees this morning, it really hasn't
gotten hot. Yeah this spring Monday and Tuesday. A couple
of weeks ago, it was like ninety one ninety two. Yeah,
but it was short and good yea. Yeah, and we've
had a lot of nice weather.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
We had a lot of recurrent cold through the spring seas,
which sometimes good, was sometimes bad. But it has not
gotten blistering hot. It has it has not soon, I'm sure.
Oh yes, it'll be here. Well, you said you posted
the ad this morning, and I know what's on the ad.
(02:39):
It's a lot of stuff from Mother's Day. Yes, yes,
so I mean, and you know we have plenty with
The official plant for Mother's Day is the hydrangea.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
You know how that ever happened, But but it works
out good because that is.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
Well usually hydrangers, the garden hydrangers are approaching peak bloom
about others stay weekend at least down here in southern Louisiana,
and so that is a perfect month for hydrangs to
be thinking about hydranges.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
It is, and the there's been in the last several
years kind of an explosion of new varieties.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
Way way too many high ranges on the market. Hard
to keep track going, I can't keep track. We have
a lot of the proven winter varieties, and then we
have the endless summer collection, and you know you also
have the old varieties like Nico Blue and Penny Mac,
which are ye are.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
Very good, very varieties, Sister Teresa, buns of different ones
that are just there's nothing wrong with them. So some
of the differences between some of the older bridies and
newer varieties would be how fast they cycle into more
color exactly right. And some of the colors are I
don't know that the colors are new, but because you
(03:59):
can always kind of a range even with the old one,
independent on which your old.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
Page exactly so the color range on your garden, hydrange
of varieties on the blooms has spread out a little
bit more than what it used to be.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
Yes, I do get a lot of people coming in
and say they want purple. Yes, so I know the
best blues around five five? What's the best purple range?
Speaker 4 (04:22):
Do you know?
Speaker 3 (04:23):
Well, for those of y'all that don't know, you can
change the color on many of these points points setus
these hydrangers. Yes, why I said that, I don't know
hydrangers by altering the pH of the soil where acid
is blue and basic would be more pink, and so
purple is somewhere in between, right, And.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
I say more pink these days than I see blue. Yeah,
you know it used to occur quite often.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
That during the.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
Season, people would come in and there would be like
kne blue or glory blue. Yes, well on the tag
and labeled, and the flowers would be blooming pink.
Speaker 5 (05:06):
Go.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
Yeah, but that's what's labeled. Well, our war pH is
so high, that's it that.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
It starts to change the soul chemistry and you get pink.
So if you want blue, you just need to put
it back in an acid situation. So that can be
a little misleading, get a little fun sometimes.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
But yeah, Endless Summer of the original has a blue
flower on the tag, right, But most of the ones
that come from the Hole cell nursery are very pink.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
Right, And it's all because of the water, and it's
easy to change those. But you don't want to wait
till the last moment if you want, you know, if
you want blue, start in December and find out what
your pH is.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
You know, people go, what do I need to add?
So I don't know, have you done a soul test.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
Well, if you don't know where your pH is, you
don't know which way to run and how far to run. Right,
So at soul pH and LSU we have the sol
test kits that are you can pick up and submit
to the l Shushul Test Lab nominal fee and get
some good information off of that.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
We do have a caller.
Speaker 6 (06:08):
We do.
Speaker 4 (06:09):
I don't know if I want to answer it, though, well,
I was wondering if one of our problem people was
gonna call this. Yeah, that answered that.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
And and actually I'm what I'm reading on the screen,
I think I might doubt anyway.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
But let's go into here, good pointing. Butch, how are you?
Good morning?
Speaker 6 (06:26):
But good morning Alan.
Speaker 7 (06:28):
First off, I need to apologize I did not stay
up with my textbook on baseball last night. No, and
I'm seriously I do. Are you all getting any reports.
Speaker 6 (06:43):
About what I'm gonna call cold weather die back.
Speaker 7 (06:46):
Especially on citrus? Oh yeah, okay, yeah, my citrus.
Speaker 8 (06:53):
We're leaving out.
Speaker 7 (06:54):
But I assume eating quite.
Speaker 6 (06:55):
A bit of.
Speaker 7 (06:57):
You on some of the outer mostes where I would
get a sprout er to it. It looks like a
lot of that is not.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Butch.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
My blood orange, which was twenty some odd foot tall,
it uh, you know, completely defoliated. And when I earlier
in the spring, when it started to warm up, I
had foliage on some of the main scaffolding branches. Nothing
on the outer extremities, and I was thinking, great, at
least it lived. And then the next week I went
(07:25):
out there and it looked like the Ambrosia beetles had
recognized that it was stressed and just attacked it. I
had the frast coming out everywhere on the tree and
now and now it's all of the foliage is wilting.
Speaker 5 (07:40):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
Whether that was from the beetles or just a secondary
from the freeze damage itself, I don't know, but there's
no chance for me to keep that at all. So yes,
I'm talking to a lot of people that had foliage
start to come out and then it is dying back again.
Speaker 7 (07:58):
Anyway, Well got it sounds like you and I are
in the same boat.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
Yeah, some of my other citrus I might be able
to carve out some of the bad stuff, and I
think I will.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
My hamlet and orange.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
It sprouted back out about six or eight inches above
the graft union and had at first like it looked
like a little piece of number eight wire copper wires
taken up.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
But it's actually put on a lot of vigorous sprouts.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
I actually need to go out and thin those out
and cut off the top before I before it gets
too hard to cut it without messing up the new
stuff that's coming up.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
So I'm that one. I'm having regrowth.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
I'm having some regrowth on some of the satsuma, but
that blood orange flush was flushing the fastest and the
most full of any and now it's it's a goner.
Speaker 6 (08:54):
Yeah yeah, I mean described exactly what I'm saying online.
Speaker 7 (09:01):
Okay, I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
All right, Sorry about that.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
So so your your line of people for fruit is
going to be disappointed this next fall, Hume.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Yeah, they're already calling, all right, But well I hope
you enjoy your day even with that news. All right,
have a good day, much thank you, And we have.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
I had so many people asking about citrus, and they
started early, and we were telling them just don't don't
rush into it, just wait, just wait, just wait. Well
you've waited long enough at this point. If you're not
seeing new foliage. There's a lot of people that are
seeing root stock coming up, and they're not aware that
it's the root stock.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
Because most every citrus.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
That you would have in your lawn or yard in
Baton Rouge would be grafted, meaning we have one type
of root system that makes good roots, and we bond
to that a type of citrus that makes good fruit, right,
And so sometimes the fruit bearing portion can actually die
(10:03):
in the root developed developed part can still live. There's
an easy way to tell, just by looking at the leaves.
And if the leaf has three lobes kind of like
a kind of like a clover, well that's the rootstock.
And that will never make a desirable fruit, and it
(10:27):
makes lots of thorns, and unless you want to try
to try your hand at grafting, that's not going to
be a desirable plant for your yard. So you know,
if you're tired of messing with them in the wintertime
or you don't want to graft, or there'd be time
to go ahead and make that call.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
And you need to watch that several times a year
on your more healthy and your coal damage of citrus trees.
So and sometimes when you have a help the six
eight year old citrus, you still get one branch that
maybe comes up from the rootstock that occupies ten percent
(11:09):
of your plant canopy, and you need to try to
get that out before it takes over a larger percentage
of your whole right, because it will.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
It will, and it can actually smother out of some
of the varieties that aren't as vigorous in their growth,
it can smother them ount just and just kill it out.
So yeah, I always watch for that if your plant.
Another thing about that, if you're not paying attention to
what the leaves look like. If you see in a
section of your canopy an area that's making a lot
(11:37):
more thorns than it used to do, exactly, stop and
pay more attention to the leaves.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
The leaves will always tell you right. You know, it
used to be that was tassume as people.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
Oh my satsuma has thorns, and I would know immediately,
but is it Arctic frost has thorns on an outside does?
So now we have to just go with the leaf development,
and that's that rootstock. There are some different types of rootstock,
but all of them would have that three lobed leaf.
(12:06):
So if you ever see that, that is something you
need to treat right. Then if you catch it when
it's young, it just snaps off easy. If you let
it go for a season, you'll need a saw or
a pair of loppers something like that, because it can
be pretty tough.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
So I'm here with Alan Owings. Good morning, Alan.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
My name is Scott ricca Alan works for Clegs and
for Bracey's nursing. Ryan, you are, you are in your uh,
your your work range and your knowledge, and it's always
a pleasure to be here with you.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Sometimes my recalls not as good as.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
Mine's getting there like that, so you know, to be
real careful. What a minute ago, I was trying to
say hydrange is and said points set is.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
I don't know where that one went. So let's try
not to do that to the rest of the day.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
So, but we have open phone lines here at four
nine nine nine five two six, it's four nine nine
w JBO and uh, we'd be I'm more than happy
to take your call, try.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
To give you an answer.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
We're here to the end of the hour and you
can just pick up the phone and call, just like
Dana did. And Dana, good morning. Thanks for calling the
WJBOL on the Garden Show.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
What's up? Good morning.
Speaker 8 (13:13):
I'm not here in my garden looking at my yellow
leaves on my tomato plants. The question for you, if
they get too much water, the leaf looks totally yellow,
it doesn't have like the little rings and all that stuff.
Is that early blights or is.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
It let me ask you this is it.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
Are those leaves isolated on the plant more to the
bottom of the plant or the whole plant? Yeah, the bottom, Okay,
that might just if it's no spots or anything, might
just be an old leaf.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
That may just be old foliage or being shaded or Yeah,
so Dana wouldn't be overly worried. The rest of the
plant looks good.
Speaker 8 (13:49):
No, it's putting you know, out tomatoes and everything. It's
interesting because it's more on my sweet one hundreds and
it is on the floor to ninety one. You know,
I don't know why those to be so yellow.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
Yeah, but a sweet one hundred grows fast and tall
and all over. And if you look in a tomato
greenhouse where they grow, they strip those bottom leaves as
it gets taller. It's that's not uncommon so at all.
So I would just strip those yellow ones off. I wouldn't.
You said it wasn't spotted, so uh, you know, that
would have been an indication of some of the foliar diseases.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
You could spray if you wanted.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
You could spray with a daconyl spray chlorthen and nil
or or just or just pick so uh a lot
of times if if it's a folier disease, you will
have those spots and lesions.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
I wouldn't worry.
Speaker 8 (14:40):
Okay, So hydrogen peroxide, Okay, I've been reading that. They
say that will kill the spores when you have early blind.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Don't know.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
I hear lots of different things. Don't know that men,
I don't know that all are proven or disproven. Probably
more work needs to go in. I'm sure somebody somewhere
is looking into that. Alan, have you heard anything going on.
Speaker 4 (15:08):
That that seems to be one of the remedies that
folks are using for leaf spot on plants, especially the
hibiscus people, And there really hasn't been anything that shows
much positive or much negative or hydrogen peroxide. I would
rather go with a traditional fungicide recommended for that fungus
of that plant.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
But Dana, if it's not a positive or a negative,
that means if you tried it probably wouldn't do any harm.
Speaker 8 (15:34):
Well, they say that, you know, spread with the hydrogen
peroxide and then follow up with baking soda with some.
Speaker 4 (15:40):
Horticulture all all my plant pathology friends of bacon soda
is I'm sorry, it's just a myth you know, it
just doesn't doesn't work.
Speaker 8 (15:51):
It doesn't kill the I mean, it doesn't raise the
pH on the leaves.
Speaker 4 (15:56):
No, you're not going to get that effect and that's
not going to control the fungus.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
So what are we going to do it? The hundred
things I tried, but I'm kidding.
Speaker 8 (16:07):
I didn't buy that much, but I thought i'd give
it a try.
Speaker 4 (16:10):
And well, I mean, but I mean it might if
you if you have some and yeah, you can find
the recommended rate, go ahead and put some out, and
you know, trying to.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
Find where somebody is actually because some of these things
you put too much and then then you cause an
adverse reaction. So if you want to try it, try
to find somebody gives your recipe that they did that
they have at least tried that didn't react negatively on
the planet itself, and.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
Just try it on one plant or so first.
Speaker 8 (16:38):
Okay, okay, well, thank you guys, right, okay, thank you.
Speaker 4 (16:43):
And you know we always hear all kinds of and
when you when you search for information on how to
take care of your plants, look for the Land Grant University,
Google l s u accenter to.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
Mate the problems right or something like that, right and right,
there's lots of things. And I tell people all the time,
you're going to look on YouTube. You know that guy
that tried something in his backyard. He doesn't come on
three months later and said, oh, you know that thing
we did, well, my plants are dead.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
You know, he's not going to do that, right.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
But I always do recommend that they go to a
university or cooperative extension or something of that type to
get something because they do lots of testing. L she
does lots of testing, and they do explore these There's
a billboard on my way home and has bagged the
ball moss you know. Yes, well what they were saying
(17:31):
initially that you mix horticultural oil.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
And baking soda in spray and to take care of it.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
Yes, it doesn't it doesn't do squat right, right, So
so yeah, there's lots of things that are professed that
should not be right.
Speaker 5 (17:44):
Right.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
So so anyway, we do have the open phone lines.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
At four un nine ninety five two six, alan were
starting to go from you know, pleasant weather to hot weather.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
What are we going to do with our color so
our warm season bedding plants?
Speaker 5 (17:59):
You know?
Speaker 2 (17:59):
Where in May?
Speaker 4 (18:00):
And this is actually the ideal time to be planning
some of our warm seasoned flowers that actually like the heat.
And of course that's a vinca or Perrywinkle and your
purse lane, your solosia, your pentus, pentas. Everybody plants pentus
too early, but pentas are a hot weather plant.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
I saw kaladiums.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
We still have collection of kadiums, and I'm just now
seeing the bulbs of the corns really start coming up good.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
How fast it come up is directly correlated to how
warm the soil is. Right, So if I planted early
and you waited six weeks and planted, we might pop
up at the same time. Because the ones I did
early souls too cool. They were just sitting there and
maybe even rotting.
Speaker 4 (18:46):
And we've had enough rain to have some little bit
of root roight kind of issues going on in some things.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
So you know, there's a couple of things that I
joke around, vinka and pansies. Yes, plant them early, plan
them twice. That's so you know, rushing into it is
not always a good thing.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
There are pathogens in the soul that are more active
for vinka.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
Yes, planted cool, and you know it's just, you know,
we spend a lot of time trying to keep people
from planting stuff in a way that will make them
disappointed in the long run, exactly.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
And we used to joke around.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
At the first vinka inn or the sacrificials, because we
would bring them to the table and then I'd spend
a lot of time trying to talk people into not
buying them.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
Everybody starts asking for Venca February. That's right, February, right,
And then those stay on the table so long that
I throw them away.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
And I know I'm gonna throw them away, but you know,
if if they're not there, and I'm not willing to
sacrifice a sale because I'm telling you it's too early. Yes,
I mean, gosh, I'm in the business to make a sale,
and I'm trying to discourage you from that, Celle. There
might be a little something behind that, right, you know,
I'm trying to give you the information that's do.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Best for you. So and uh.
Speaker 4 (20:04):
Also choreopsis, Yeah, uh, there's a new Upticks series. Upticks
are most choreopsis are a long day plants, so they
flower the best under the longest days of summer. But
the upticks are day neutral, so they start blooming at
March and April and they keep blooming all the way
to November, and they're perennial. Yeah right, I've got quite
(20:27):
a few in my yard. They're coming up and looking
really pretty.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
I had some I think I had maybe misty, uh salvia, yes,
and choreopsis and not. They're up, they're in color, they're gorgeous.
Got a lot of the purple cone flowers in my house.
I do a lot of things where I don't have
to work so hard.
Speaker 4 (20:45):
All the salvias we sell in one gallon containers usually
can be a perennial in baton rouge.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
Yeah, sometimes I have better luck with a.
Speaker 4 (20:56):
Variety differences, and of course it depends on what kind
of winter we have and how what the soil stays
during the winter.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
Right, the short, the stubby flower varieties I usually have
more consistent, Yes, But I do have some of the deeper, longer,
more tubular style flowers black and bloom, some of those
that have come back successfully. But this year the moisture
I think I've lost some due to that area stays
a little overly wet where I have.
Speaker 4 (21:22):
Those, so really good for hummingbirds and.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
Oh, hummingbirds are in which, by the way, Mother's Day
gifts lots of hummingbirds and stuff in the store.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
But yeah, I just I love watching them.
Speaker 4 (21:34):
You may want to think about planting some Louisiana superplant
Gara garas, also called whirling butterflies. There's white bloomers and
some that have pink flowers and kind of a rosy
pink color tone. And those are strong perennials. They are
very reliable, and.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Some of those put out a decent amount of seed.
I know some of the older varieties do.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
I'm not so certain about the newer varieties, but they
would free seed and you'd get lots of extras.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
For the next year.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
Olwen's we see new ones more sterile, more sterile, yeah, yeah,
but still strong perennials come back. Lots of colors. Whirling
butterflies because the flower kind of looks like a little
it does fly, it's kind of.
Speaker 4 (22:11):
Nice and it flowers kind of dance in the wind.
Nice uh, nice visual. The white ones get a lot
taller than the shorter growing rose and the pink ones.
So so you got to pick out the variety and
think about your plant heighth and your color b as
and put your taller plants towards the back or the middle,
shorter plants toward the front. Pushes some vermillionaire kufia in
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there also, which is a plan.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
That's one of the Louisiana super plants for this year,
for this year, and that's a great All the kufias
are really good, right, and coufias that would include Hawaiian heather, yes,
Mexican heather. A lot of people call everything that's purple
Mexican heather, which isn't correct, but because the look in
the landscape is quite different.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
But yeah, they're strong.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
And actually I don't know so much about like the
vamillionaire for bees, but the regular Hawaiian or Allison that's
a great bee plant.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
Bees are over them all the time.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
Yeah, and I mean I've got them. They're back up
from last year. They've got some good size to them.
They've been blooming for over a you know, over a month.
And I actually recommend that quite often in the vegetable gardens.
Speaker 4 (23:25):
Right, I see honey bees on them in addition to bumblebees,
right right, Yeah, and you know, we don't need to
be afraid of the bees when you walk by the
sidewalk and there's bees all over your flowers.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
They're more interested in those bloods, that's right, when they
are with you, with you.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
We have a lot of people that are actually scared
of those and you know they've gotten stung a child.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
But when the bees are working, I.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
I will actually sometimes, especially like in a hibiscus, somebody's
scared to bee, I would just take my hand and
just kind of show them out, literally touch him and
move him out. He just goes to another flower, She
goes to another flower if it's a honeybee.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
I don't know about the other variagies.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
But yeah, when they're working, you have to do something
that's just really rude to them to get them to
sting you. Right, So don't be don't be scared about
those pies. And they're so good for everything. You're listening
to the WJBO on a garden show, the you know
the show where you can pick up the phone and
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give us a call if you have long and garden questions.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
And we haven't had many this morning, haven't either.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
We've done such a really good job of educating people
all these years. Or like Butch says, maybe there's only
two or three people listening and maybe, you know, maybe
they've already called in, so I don't know.
Speaker 4 (24:34):
I'm always pleasantly surprised that people who say they listen
to us.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
Oh yeah, pretty darn regular basis. That's right. I hear that.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
Also, it's very it's very very complimentary. Sometimes I'll be
talking to somebody and who oh, you're the guy. I'm like,
I'm the guy.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
What you know your voice?
Speaker 3 (24:49):
Oh yeah, okay, yeah, oh but please, if you have
any questions, pick up the phone. It's you know, Alan's
regular here. But this man is packed with knowledge. Oh well,
you know, unpacked with something else. So if you have
some phone calls, pick it up, pick up that phone,
give us call four nine.
Speaker 4 (25:11):
When you've worked retail as long as Scott, you kind of.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
Get everything.
Speaker 4 (25:18):
Yeah, and every time I go give a talk Scott,
you know, somebody will ask a question that where the
heck did that question come from?
Speaker 2 (25:26):
And what the heck is the answer to it? Yeah,
we get lots of interesting questions.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
Uh yeah, there's uh, there's there's no guidelines when comes
at the nursery. So I mean, yeah, so anyway, you know,
we talked about the citrus damage with Butch earlier in
the show, and uh, some of the Louisiana super plants
for this year or some of the Indica azalias. Yes,
I hadn't really seen. Well, I'll take it back. I
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haven't had any customers coming in yet with branches dying
out and such, because it's kind of mild. But I
was doing some heavy pruning on some azaleas in my
yard and I could see tissue splits on the stems
right on some of them, But the damage wasn't expressed
in the outer reaches yet because right now, the relationship
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between the amount of damage and the amount of demand
from the plant really hasn't swapped sides yet, right, And
so I think that's going to be coming as we
start getting this warmer temperature, how about you.
Speaker 4 (26:27):
Yeah, I've only seen a little bit of a bark
split on azalea so far, and I think it's still
way too early to be seeing that as mild as
the spring as ben right, and when we start getting
dry weather, then I in degrees in Gne, we're going.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
To see a little bit. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
I was cutting some back some tabers on the side
of my house and I was they were you know,
I'd let them get out of hand. So I was
being kind of rough and so I was digging in
and I saw some some some decent splitting in there.
Speaker 4 (26:54):
So and a little bit more damage when you get
west of Baton Rouge going toward bro Bridge, then what
you see into the Baton Rooge Hammad area.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
Yeah, because yeah, you mentioned the last time you and
I wereung together how bad it was in life yet right.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Right, so in that area.
Speaker 4 (27:08):
So yeah, but southern end because they are prone a
little bit of coal damage on a you know, every
three or four year basis, and usually it's just gonna
be a limb limb here and a limb there, and
they recover. Well, yeah, you want to fertilize or azalias
once a year in the spring after they bloom. And
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I don't think there's enough coal damage out there on
the azaleas to avoid fertilized, and I think fertilize.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
I think fertilization would help, you know, right.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
Yeah, unlike what we were doing for the things that
would have been fertilized very early in the season, like
the citrus that we didn't know.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
Yeah, we wouldn't have done that.
Speaker 4 (27:44):
But yeah, but they is, they're up there growing but
it is time to fertilize as aliens now if you
haven't done that.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
So yeah, absolutely, and camellias also, Yeah, all of those
things that you didn't do early because they were blooming early.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
Right, And a lot of times we tell people if
it blooms early, fertilized it after it finishes blooming. Sometimes
I think a lot of that was, you know, heavy
fertilization before blooming could have caused bud drop and such.
But a lot of the fertilizers now, if you usually
the quality fertilizer, they don't release his fast anyway exactly,
So some of that problem is kind of you know,
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in the wash.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
Anyway. We had another caller. Okay, let's go Eve, good morning,
and thanks for.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
Calling the Wjbolna Garden Show.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
How are you this morning?
Speaker 9 (28:28):
Just waking up?
Speaker 2 (28:30):
That's good. It's a nice out there if you haven't
looked outside yet, right.
Speaker 9 (28:34):
It's good gardening weather. Actually, it is got a question.
There's areas where my.
Speaker 8 (28:41):
Son and I hope he's not listening, so I'm not
going to mention that he is, but he hasn't had
much luck in his areas.
Speaker 9 (28:49):
He's prepared and put down this that and the other.
But I want to give him some good advice for
starting over now. So I need to know, one, how
deep do you have have to turn over the soil?
On the one hand, but I've heard tilling the soil
is bad because it destroys something that the ground needs.
So how deep do you need to go to start
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totally over? You're going to plant totally new things, and
you want to give it the best chance.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
Let's let's first of all, let's even bring it down.
Are we talking about ornamental areas or vegetable areas, or.
Speaker 9 (29:25):
We're talking about flowers that bring bees and a couple
of like a pumpkin nearby, or but as.
Speaker 8 (29:32):
Though you have a combination, but you're gonna.
Speaker 4 (29:35):
So you're talking about a landscape bed and not like
garden rows in a traditional vegetable garden.
Speaker 8 (29:43):
Correct.
Speaker 4 (29:44):
So so I would try to tell Aford to six
inches deep, And that may sound like a pretty good depth.
But if you can do that, I would I advise
you to try to do it. Yeah, I walk behind till,
I walk behind till you can get that deep. But
you got to work on it for a while, right, Yeah,
you don't.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
You don't set it to full depth the first time
through you you run it, you set it deeper, you
run it, and a walk behind killer if like me,
I would not do anything other than that now, because
the front times, well they just yank you along and
I can't fight it anymore. But a walk behind those
are those are usually much more easy on the body.
Speaker 4 (30:25):
And I would try to, you know, like use a
hose or a string and kind of outline where your
bed is going to be, and I would go in
there and kill the vegetation that's there first before I killed.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
And you could do that by using a life of
State product, right.
Speaker 9 (30:41):
I'm sorry to interrupt, Can you use Like suppose you're
just going to go in with a spade and a big, big, dark,
big heavy shovel shovel and you're going to go down
six inches. Then whatever you've got down there, what should
you put down? And then maybe come in with organic
garden soil over the whole thing and start with the
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six inches of that?
Speaker 8 (31:05):
Is that a good idea?
Speaker 6 (31:07):
Well?
Speaker 3 (31:07):
Certainly if you have heavy soil, one of the ways
to help break it up is to add lots of
organic material and we almost always recommend that.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
Then we also recommend in in elevating.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
Now, people tell me they'll come in and say, oh,
I dug out ten inches and I took it away
and I need something to fill it in.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
So never excavate, always elevate, okay.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
And so if you take your shovel, you're not going
to be breaking it as finely as you would with
a tiller. But even doing narrow slices, there's a lot
of things now where these broad forks and stuff, they
are just causing big cracks in the soil. If you
can break it with your shovel, that's going to depending
on how big it is, that's a lot of labor.
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But well, yeah, so you can break it up and
add your organic matter into it. You could put a
thin layer of organic material on it first and start
to break it so you get a little deeper incorporation
and then add some more after the fact.
Speaker 4 (32:08):
Alan, what do you think, Yeah, so I think, well,
Scott's basically told you what you need to do there.
I would try to get you a little bit of
incorporation of mixing your raised bed soil with your native
soil and have that transition layer.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
There is there.
Speaker 9 (32:25):
Anything you can put in or incorporate into it. For
weeds or insects preventing that.
Speaker 4 (32:32):
Well, that would be that would be like after planting
a pre emerged herbicide. Yeah, and a good layer of
pine straw Malsh. Pine straw suppress the weeds better than
pine bark or other.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
Right, I was really surprised. I remember y'all did the
study out at LSU and that was a pine straw.
So I like to use the product that normally called
dimension Okay, And then for the insect control, if you
want to put that out, you can use a buifentherin
products some.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
Has some longevity.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
If you're just trying to treat for ants and you
don't want to use other chemicals, you can use some
of the baited material.
Speaker 9 (33:12):
We use diamated right yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
Which every time it rains you kind of lose the
effectiveness of that, so you're having to reapply, reapply, reapply.
Speaker 9 (33:22):
So why is that because we don't have any if
nothing's draining off. So is it break down the diatomations.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
I don't think it's so much breaks it down.
Speaker 3 (33:31):
I think it changes how it sits on the soul
and where you're not rubbing against us, where the bug's
not rubbing against the sharp edges.
Speaker 9 (33:42):
Okay, any other recommendations.
Speaker 3 (33:45):
If you're adding lots of new organic matter, you're going
to need to fertilize to compensate for that. So always
fertilize your new your your beds after you're adding lots
of new organic material. And I would tell you the
whole first growing season you'll to fertilize a little more
regularly or pay attention to it to keep your plants
to where they and the soul organisms are both getting
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the nitrogen.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
That they need. Okay, thank you, all right, have a
great day. Hope your son has lots of luck. All right,
and let's go.
Speaker 3 (34:17):
We've got another call and we'll go to John. John,
thanks for calling the wjbol on the Garden Show.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
How are you this morning?
Speaker 5 (34:24):
Okay, fine, thank you. Question before all the rain, I
haven't been slashing through the yard now, but before that,
I was walking through the yard and I know there's
lots of little insects flying up.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
What were they? How do you treat them?
Speaker 4 (34:40):
John?
Speaker 3 (34:40):
It could have been a lot of things. Did it
look more like a moth? I mean, I haven't seen much.
Speaker 6 (34:46):
If it looked like anything, I'd almost it looked like
a maybe grasshopper, and.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
It could be John. I mean, the range of things
that it could be is tremendous, light light, light, yellow
in color.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
If you could see our faces, you would see bewilderment, John.
So I don't know, you know, a yard without bugs
is not a healthy yard, John, in all truthfulness. So,
and not all bugs that we see are problematic. So
it could be something that's laying eggs. That might be,
or it might have been something that had just hatched,
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or it might be something that was trying to lay
some eggs. But not everything that we see is problematic.
So what I would look for from here forward would
be areas of your lawn that look like they are deteriorating.
And at that point, maybe hone in and see if
there's something more specific that we could see. But it's
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a good thing.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
All your vegetables are in raised beds though, and raised containers.
Speaker 5 (35:54):
Huh, Well, some of them, like the ladies it or
turning yellow or or various bacterial diseases.
Speaker 4 (36:07):
Yeah, we've had a lot of rain, and that's just
one of the common vegetable issues with our rain.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
And and make sure you're fertilizing enough.
Speaker 3 (36:15):
Yeah, yeah, And John's a experienced gardener, so yeah, but
for everybody else, if your whole plant is turning light
color tri fertilizing it, if it's just specific leaves on there,
then there might be some other like the color earlier,
where it's just some natural loss of leaves or maybe
some fungal issues or whatever.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
But John, I wish we could tell you more for
that long thing.
Speaker 3 (36:40):
I mean, you could put out a general purpose insecticide
if you felt like doing that, or you could just
continue to watch to see if you start to see
some degraded areas in the lawn and focus more on
those to try to minimize putting out stuff that's not necessary.
Speaker 5 (36:58):
Okay, thank you, all.
Speaker 3 (36:59):
Right, John, have a great on. Jackie, good morning, and
thanks for calling in. It's a wbol on a garden show.
What you doing in North Carolina?
Speaker 8 (37:07):
Well, we're up here working in my parents flower bed.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
Ah Okay.
Speaker 7 (37:14):
We just wanted to let you know even though we're
out of state, we're still listening.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
Ayah, Well, thank you, Jackie.
Speaker 3 (37:20):
That's so nice, you know, and I didn't even mention
today you can. Are you listening to us on the
iHeartRadio app? Yeah, which is free and you can catch
us all over the place, so that's really nice.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (37:34):
Well, the redendron up here is absolutely spectacular.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, and then I used to go
up there a lot.
Speaker 3 (37:43):
And then I used to love the big stands of
red hot poker sometimes just big masses of that.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
Just like like a beacon, you know.
Speaker 3 (37:52):
So here of the highways, yeah yeah, and lots of
day these on one area because they don't get the.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
Rust up there so much because they're not evergreen varies.
Speaker 3 (38:03):
So but Jackie, it's so nice of you called to
let us know that you're listening to us all the
way in North Carolina.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
It made a smile down here.
Speaker 8 (38:11):
We appreciate y'all.
Speaker 3 (38:12):
All right, you have a great day, get a lot
of gardening done. Okay, hopefully weather it's great up there.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
And that that was actually very nice, wasn't it.
Speaker 3 (38:20):
Yes, it was yeah, And again you know, you can
listen to us at the WJBO Lawn and Garden Show
on the iHeartRadio app, which is free, which is a
great value. And like I can listen to us sometimes
if I'm not on the air, I'll go back to
listen to what y'all and it you know, it'll save
the spot where you are, and you know.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
I can come back to it.
Speaker 4 (38:39):
Yeah, I'll go back and listen and see what some
of y'all say. Yeah once in a while.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
And shake your head, going, I can't believe they said that. Huhh.
Speaker 3 (38:49):
Well, we do have open phone lines and a few
moments left, so we've kind of talked.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
We said some stuff about summer color.
Speaker 8 (38:55):
Right.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
We talked about fertilization of some of the shrubs, right, fertilization.
If you need to prune your isales, now is a
great time to prune that. You need to get bazellia
pruning done right.
Speaker 3 (39:07):
And this it's a late riety like chinzan which is
just now coming into good color. That's true, so you
got to pay attention to that. Some of the encore
azalees are still blooming pretty decently, so you will wait
till after the blooming, right, what do you do for
pruning pruning your hydrangers? What's your timing well on your
on your guard and hydrange of pruning.
Speaker 4 (39:25):
You want to prune them as they ask you desire
to prune them, you know, late summer, so when they
finish blooming in August or so is when you want
to do whatever pruning you need to do on them,
maybe you start pruning.
Speaker 2 (39:41):
If you prune too late, too late, which is common,
too late, too late pruning.
Speaker 4 (39:49):
Well, it had all those sticks, and so in other words,
August through December is when they're going to be setting
supplier buds for the next right.
Speaker 3 (39:57):
So if you prune earlier enough at to the latter
part of summer, yes, yes, you'll actually get the rebound.
You get a lot of nice growth, and that growth
would be mature enough to have flowers for the next season, exactly.
But it's very common for people to go in in
December and January and clip all those brown sticks.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
Well, it was all brown, exactly.
Speaker 4 (40:18):
And the general thing on hydrange of prune when people
prune is they just sheer across the top, yes, or
some people cut everything down.
Speaker 2 (40:28):
And when you do that, well, you're.
Speaker 3 (40:32):
Slowing that plant down quite a bit and you're not
getting the results. So some more selected pruning, cutting above
a joint, taking some of the bigger, longer pieces and
reaching it and clipping those down a little bit deeper
into the plant.
Speaker 4 (40:43):
Yeah, thinning instead of topping.
Speaker 2 (40:45):
Yes, And that's a good way to say it.
Speaker 4 (40:47):
And actually the cold weather the last few winters has
impacted some hydrange of blooms in the springtime.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
Right.
Speaker 3 (40:58):
We actually had you know, we of our hydrangers out
with no protection during the winter, and we had to
do a little bit more.
Speaker 4 (41:04):
Die back, and they go fully dormant. They don't harden
off like they do in Tennessee and Kentucky. So you
know you're gonna still have susceptible buds out there when
it's twenty four degrees where I asked that normally would
not hurt a hydrange of flower bud at all. Right, right,
but they're starting to wake up in on February first.
Speaker 3 (41:27):
Yeah, yeah, let's go ahead and jump to Pat real
quick since it's close to the end of our Pat
we got, uh, we got a couple of minutes.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
What you got this morning?
Speaker 6 (41:37):
I just want to know if I could trim my
crape myrtles or get your stuff.
Speaker 2 (41:42):
Trim Oh, hey, Pat, uh?
Speaker 3 (41:46):
Pat, you know craip burd's bloom on the growth that's
new for the season. If you're pruning now, you might
be slowing down some of your blossoming, depending on what
kind of pruning you're doing, uh, selected pruning you go
in and do that. I tell people, if you have
a bad shaped branch at any time of the year,
go ahead and cut those. So what are you what
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are you trying to achieve with this printing? You're just
trying to make the whole plant shorter. You got branches
ticking out?
Speaker 2 (42:13):
What you got?
Speaker 6 (42:14):
I got those two big white matches in front the
camp and they come up on the side of the
camp a little bit and they just they done went
crazy over the and I just kind of need to
dress them up a little. They get some of them
branches street.
Speaker 3 (42:27):
Yeah, well, pat one thing I tell you, if it's
up against the building and it's rubbing and you don't
like that, go around the back and cut those off
because from the street, nobody'll ever know. But you want
to take them off at a at the junction point
where that branch starts, or or an intersection that will
lead the growth in a different, more desirable direction. Okay,
(42:49):
So if you can go ahead and do that, If again,
if you top the whole tree, you might slow down
when you're blooming. Might occur this summer because you know
they're that growth. You're doing an overall over across the
top you're cutting off new growth, which is where he's
trying to set buds.
Speaker 6 (43:05):
So okay, well I'll see if I can do that.
Speaker 2 (43:10):
Yeah, come by, Come by and see me. We'll take
a piece of paper. We'll talk about it, all right.
Speaker 6 (43:14):
If I messed if I mess him up, it's like
a bad haircut.
Speaker 2 (43:19):
It's like a bad haircut. Pat, it'll go back, all right.
Speaker 6 (43:22):
I appreciate Jack.
Speaker 2 (43:24):
There's an art and a science to pro there is,
and you know it's all the way back to Karate Kid.
Speaker 3 (43:30):
He gives them the tree, his close eyes, picture tree,
open eyes, cut off everything that looked like tree.
Speaker 2 (43:36):
It's pretty simple. Guys.
Speaker 3 (43:38):
We got thirty seconds. I hope y'all all have a
great day today.
Speaker 2 (43:41):
Alan, thanks for coming in to see this guy. iHeartRadio.
Speaker 3 (43:44):
Mother's Day. Got lots of stuff from Mother's Day.
Speaker 2 (43:46):
Come see us.
Speaker 3 (43:47):
Come with your.
Speaker 2 (43:47):
Fashion open on Sunday. We are from ten to five tomorrow.
Come see us. Guys, have a great day. Go Tigers, Tigers,
Good Saturday morning, and welcome to the WGBO Lone and
Garden Show, brought to you by Cleg's Nursery. If you
have a question about seasonal planting, lon and garden concerns
are questions about landscaping called four nine nine WGBO.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
That's four nine nine six.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Good morning, Baton Rouge. It's a beautiful Saturday morning here
in the Capitol City. You are listening to the WJBO
lawn a Garden Show. My name is Scott Rica here
this morning with doctor Allan Owings. Good morning, Alan, how
are you.
Speaker 4 (00:36):
Good morning, Scott, A nice morning and metropolitan Baton Rouge.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
I got from the house to the truck and then
from the truck to the building without getting wet.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
I tell you what. The rain hung around all day.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Every hour yesterday, Yeah did it didn't And you know what, Allan,
I'm so sorry. I didn't mean to leave out Jeremy Porcin,
who takes care of us in there, tries to keep
us sounding good, which could be when I'm here, that
could be a lot of work.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
So uh well, it takes a while to get through
all of our opening comments and editorial and everything it does.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
And uh you know, if y'all don't want to listen
to the editorial, you can stop us dead in our
tracks by picking up the phone and giving us a
call at four nine nine five two six, that's four
nine nine w JBO. And we're here for you know,
the hour, right, and we can discuss lots of things
about lawn and garden.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
And we can.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
Yeah, I posted the Clegs Nursery Facebook ad for the
weekend for the ad on Facebook this morning and said
you and I would be on WJB on and to
give us a call. So I anticipate. I sure hope
it gets filling up.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
Well, they probably have to finish your coffee first, like me,
you know, I'm down to like you know, I've got
about a third left.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
So everybody's going to start calling at eight forty five.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
That's usually what happens, which is okay, you know, if
you're just enjoying listening, that's a good thing.
Speaker 4 (02:02):
But at sixty four degrees this morning, it really hasn't
gotten hot. Yeah this spring Monday and Tuesday. A couple
of weeks ago, it was like ninety one ninety two. Yeah,
but it was short and good yea. Yeah, and we've
had a lot of nice weather.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
We had a lot of recurrent cold through the spring seas,
which sometimes good, was sometimes bad. But it has not
gotten blistering hot. It has it has not soon, I'm sure.
Oh yes, it'll be here. Well, you said you posted
the ad this morning, and I know what's on the ad.
(02:39):
It's a lot of stuff from Mother's Day. Yes, yes,
so I mean, and you know we have plenty with
The official plant for Mother's Day is the hydrangea.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
You know how that ever happened, But but it works
out good because that is.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
Well usually hydrangers, the garden hydrangers are approaching peak bloom
about others stay weekend at least down here in southern Louisiana,
and so that is a perfect month for hydrangs to
be thinking about hydranges.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
It is, and the there's been in the last several
years kind of an explosion of new varieties.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
Way way too many high ranges on the market. Hard
to keep track going, I can't keep track. We have
a lot of the proven winter varieties, and then we
have the endless summer collection, and you know you also
have the old varieties like Nico Blue and Penny Mac,
which are ye are.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
Very good, very varieties, Sister Teresa, buns of different ones
that are just there's nothing wrong with them. So some
of the differences between some of the older bridies and
newer varieties would be how fast they cycle into more
color exactly right. And some of the colors are I
don't know that the colors are new, but because you
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can always kind of a range even with the old one,
independent on which your old.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
Page exactly so the color range on your garden, hydrange
of varieties on the blooms has spread out a little
bit more than what it used to be.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
Yes, I do get a lot of people coming in
and say they want purple. Yes, so I know the
best blues around five five? What's the best purple range?
Speaker 4 (04:22):
Do you know?
Speaker 3 (04:23):
Well, for those of y'all that don't know, you can
change the color on many of these points points setus
these hydrangers. Yes, why I said that, I don't know
hydrangers by altering the pH of the soil where acid
is blue and basic would be more pink, and so
purple is somewhere in between, right, And.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
I say more pink these days than I see blue. Yeah,
you know it used to occur quite often.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
That during the.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
Season, people would come in and there would be like
kne blue or glory blue. Yes, well on the tag
and labeled, and the flowers would be blooming pink.
Speaker 5 (05:06):
Go.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
Yeah, but that's what's labeled. Well, our war pH is
so high, that's it that.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
It starts to change the soul chemistry and you get pink.
So if you want blue, you just need to put
it back in an acid situation. So that can be
a little misleading, get a little fun sometimes.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
But yeah, Endless Summer of the original has a blue
flower on the tag, right, But most of the ones
that come from the Hole cell nursery are very pink.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
Right, And it's all because of the water, and it's
easy to change those. But you don't want to wait
till the last moment if you want, you know, if
you want blue, start in December and find out what
your pH is.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
You know, people go, what do I need to add?
So I don't know, have you done a soul test.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
Well, if you don't know where your pH is, you
don't know which way to run and how far to run. Right,
So at soul pH and LSU we have the sol
test kits that are you can pick up and submit
to the l Shushul Test Lab nominal fee and get
some good information off of that.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
We do have a caller.
Speaker 6 (06:08):
We do.
Speaker 4 (06:09):
I don't know if I want to answer it, though, well,
I was wondering if one of our problem people was
gonna call this. Yeah, that answered that.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
And and actually I'm what I'm reading on the screen,
I think I might doubt anyway.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
But let's go into here, good pointing. Butch, how are you?
Good morning?
Speaker 6 (06:26):
But good morning Alan.
Speaker 7 (06:28):
First off, I need to apologize I did not stay
up with my textbook on baseball last night. No, and
I'm seriously I do. Are you all getting any reports.
Speaker 6 (06:43):
About what I'm gonna call cold weather die back.
Speaker 7 (06:46):
Especially on citrus? Oh yeah, okay, yeah, my citrus.
Speaker 8 (06:53):
We're leaving out.
Speaker 7 (06:54):
But I assume eating quite.
Speaker 6 (06:55):
A bit of.
Speaker 7 (06:57):
You on some of the outer mostes where I would
get a sprout er to it. It looks like a
lot of that is not.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Butch.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
My blood orange, which was twenty some odd foot tall,
it uh, you know, completely defoliated. And when I earlier
in the spring, when it started to warm up, I
had foliage on some of the main scaffolding branches. Nothing
on the outer extremities, and I was thinking, great, at
least it lived. And then the next week I went
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out there and it looked like the Ambrosia beetles had
recognized that it was stressed and just attacked it. I
had the frast coming out everywhere on the tree and
now and now it's all of the foliage is wilting.
Speaker 5 (07:40):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
Whether that was from the beetles or just a secondary
from the freeze damage itself, I don't know, but there's
no chance for me to keep that at all. So yes,
I'm talking to a lot of people that had foliage
start to come out and then it is dying back again.
Speaker 7 (07:58):
Anyway, Well got it sounds like you and I are
in the same boat.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
Yeah, some of my other citrus I might be able
to carve out some of the bad stuff, and I
think I will.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
My hamlet and orange.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
It sprouted back out about six or eight inches above
the graft union and had at first like it looked
like a little piece of number eight wire copper wires
taken up.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
But it's actually put on a lot of vigorous sprouts.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
I actually need to go out and thin those out
and cut off the top before I before it gets
too hard to cut it without messing up the new
stuff that's coming up.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
So I'm that one. I'm having regrowth.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
I'm having some regrowth on some of the satsuma, but
that blood orange flush was flushing the fastest and the
most full of any and now it's it's a goner.
Speaker 6 (08:54):
Yeah yeah, I mean described exactly what I'm saying online.
Speaker 7 (09:01):
Okay, I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
All right, Sorry about that.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
So so your your line of people for fruit is
going to be disappointed this next fall, Hume.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Yeah, they're already calling, all right, But well I hope
you enjoy your day even with that news. All right,
have a good day, much thank you, And we have.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
I had so many people asking about citrus, and they
started early, and we were telling them just don't don't
rush into it, just wait, just wait, just wait. Well
you've waited long enough at this point. If you're not
seeing new foliage. There's a lot of people that are
seeing root stock coming up, and they're not aware that
it's the root stock.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
Because most every citrus.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
That you would have in your lawn or yard in
Baton Rouge would be grafted, meaning we have one type
of root system that makes good roots, and we bond
to that a type of citrus that makes good fruit, right,
And so sometimes the fruit bearing portion can actually die
(10:03):
in the root developed developed part can still live. There's
an easy way to tell, just by looking at the leaves.
And if the leaf has three lobes kind of like
a kind of like a clover, well that's the rootstock.
And that will never make a desirable fruit, and it
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makes lots of thorns, and unless you want to try
to try your hand at grafting, that's not going to
be a desirable plant for your yard. So you know,
if you're tired of messing with them in the wintertime
or you don't want to graft, or there'd be time
to go ahead and make that call.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
And you need to watch that several times a year
on your more healthy and your coal damage of citrus trees.
So and sometimes when you have a help the six
eight year old citrus, you still get one branch that
maybe comes up from the rootstock that occupies ten percent
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of your plant canopy, and you need to try to
get that out before it takes over a larger percentage
of your whole right, because it will.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
It will, and it can actually smother out of some
of the varieties that aren't as vigorous in their growth,
it can smother them ount just and just kill it out.
So yeah, I always watch for that if your plant.
Another thing about that, if you're not paying attention to
what the leaves look like. If you see in a
section of your canopy an area that's making a lot
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more thorns than it used to do, exactly, stop and
pay more attention to the leaves.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
The leaves will always tell you right. You know, it
used to be that was tassume as people.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
Oh my satsuma has thorns, and I would know immediately,
but is it Arctic frost has thorns on an outside does?
So now we have to just go with the leaf development,
and that's that rootstock. There are some different types of rootstock,
but all of them would have that three lobed leaf.
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So if you ever see that, that is something you
need to treat right. Then if you catch it when
it's young, it just snaps off easy. If you let
it go for a season, you'll need a saw or
a pair of loppers something like that, because it can
be pretty tough.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
So I'm here with Alan Owings. Good morning, Alan.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
My name is Scott ricca Alan works for Clegs and
for Bracey's nursing. Ryan, you are, you are in your uh,
your your work range and your knowledge, and it's always
a pleasure to be here with you.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Sometimes my recalls not as good as.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
Mine's getting there like that, so you know, to be
real careful. What a minute ago, I was trying to
say hydrange is and said points set is.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
I don't know where that one went. So let's try
not to do that to the rest of the day.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
So, but we have open phone lines here at four
nine nine nine five two six, it's four nine nine
w JBO and uh, we'd be I'm more than happy
to take your call, try.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
To give you an answer.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
We're here to the end of the hour and you
can just pick up the phone and call, just like
Dana did. And Dana, good morning. Thanks for calling the
WJBOL on the Garden Show.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
What's up? Good morning.
Speaker 8 (13:13):
I'm not here in my garden looking at my yellow
leaves on my tomato plants. The question for you, if
they get too much water, the leaf looks totally yellow,
it doesn't have like the little rings and all that stuff.
Is that early blights or is.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
It let me ask you this is it.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
Are those leaves isolated on the plant more to the
bottom of the plant or the whole plant? Yeah, the bottom, Okay,
that might just if it's no spots or anything, might
just be an old leaf.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
That may just be old foliage or being shaded or Yeah,
so Dana wouldn't be overly worried. The rest of the
plant looks good.
Speaker 8 (13:49):
No, it's putting you know, out tomatoes and everything. It's
interesting because it's more on my sweet one hundreds and
it is on the floor to ninety one. You know,
I don't know why those to be so yellow.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
Yeah, but a sweet one hundred grows fast and tall
and all over. And if you look in a tomato
greenhouse where they grow, they strip those bottom leaves as
it gets taller. It's that's not uncommon so at all.
So I would just strip those yellow ones off. I wouldn't.
You said it wasn't spotted, so uh, you know, that
would have been an indication of some of the foliar diseases.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
You could spray if you wanted.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
You could spray with a daconyl spray chlorthen and nil
or or just or just pick so uh a lot
of times if if it's a folier disease, you will
have those spots and lesions.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
I wouldn't worry.
Speaker 8 (14:40):
Okay, So hydrogen peroxide, Okay, I've been reading that. They
say that will kill the spores when you have early blind.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Don't know.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
I hear lots of different things. Don't know that men,
I don't know that all are proven or disproven. Probably
more work needs to go in. I'm sure somebody somewhere
is looking into that. Alan, have you heard anything going on.
Speaker 4 (15:08):
That that seems to be one of the remedies that
folks are using for leaf spot on plants, especially the
hibiscus people, And there really hasn't been anything that shows
much positive or much negative or hydrogen peroxide. I would
rather go with a traditional fungicide recommended for that fungus
of that plant.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
But Dana, if it's not a positive or a negative,
that means if you tried it probably wouldn't do any harm.
Speaker 8 (15:34):
Well, they say that, you know, spread with the hydrogen
peroxide and then follow up with baking soda with some.
Speaker 4 (15:40):
Horticulture all all my plant pathology friends of bacon soda
is I'm sorry, it's just a myth you know, it
just doesn't doesn't work.
Speaker 8 (15:51):
It doesn't kill the I mean, it doesn't raise the
pH on the leaves.
Speaker 4 (15:56):
No, you're not going to get that effect and that's
not going to control the fungus.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
So what are we going to do it? The hundred
things I tried, but I'm kidding.
Speaker 8 (16:07):
I didn't buy that much, but I thought i'd give
it a try.
Speaker 4 (16:10):
And well, I mean, but I mean it might if
you if you have some and yeah, you can find
the recommended rate, go ahead and put some out, and
you know, trying to.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
Find where somebody is actually because some of these things
you put too much and then then you cause an
adverse reaction. So if you want to try it, try
to find somebody gives your recipe that they did that
they have at least tried that didn't react negatively on
the planet itself, and.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
Just try it on one plant or so first.
Speaker 8 (16:38):
Okay, okay, well, thank you guys, right, okay, thank you.
Speaker 4 (16:43):
And you know we always hear all kinds of and
when you when you search for information on how to
take care of your plants, look for the Land Grant University,
Google l s u accenter to.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
Mate the problems right or something like that, right and right,
there's lots of things. And I tell people all the time,
you're going to look on YouTube. You know that guy
that tried something in his backyard. He doesn't come on
three months later and said, oh, you know that thing
we did, well, my plants are dead.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
You know, he's not going to do that, right.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
But I always do recommend that they go to a
university or cooperative extension or something of that type to
get something because they do lots of testing. L she
does lots of testing, and they do explore these There's
a billboard on my way home and has bagged the
ball moss you know. Yes, well what they were saying
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initially that you mix horticultural oil.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
And baking soda in spray and to take care of it.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
Yes, it doesn't it doesn't do squat right, right, So
so yeah, there's lots of things that are professed that
should not be right.
Speaker 5 (17:44):
Right.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
So so anyway, we do have the open phone lines.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
At four un nine ninety five two six, alan were
starting to go from you know, pleasant weather to hot weather.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
What are we going to do with our color so
our warm season bedding plants?
Speaker 5 (17:59):
You know?
Speaker 2 (17:59):
Where in May?
Speaker 4 (18:00):
And this is actually the ideal time to be planning
some of our warm seasoned flowers that actually like the heat.
And of course that's a vinca or Perrywinkle and your
purse lane, your solosia, your pentus, pentas. Everybody plants pentus
too early, but pentas are a hot weather plant.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
I saw kaladiums.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
We still have collection of kadiums, and I'm just now
seeing the bulbs of the corns really start coming up good.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
How fast it come up is directly correlated to how
warm the soil is. Right, So if I planted early
and you waited six weeks and planted, we might pop
up at the same time. Because the ones I did
early souls too cool. They were just sitting there and
maybe even rotting.
Speaker 4 (18:46):
And we've had enough rain to have some little bit
of root roight kind of issues going on in some things.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
So you know, there's a couple of things that I
joke around, vinka and pansies. Yes, plant them early, plan
them twice. That's so you know, rushing into it is
not always a good thing.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
There are pathogens in the soul that are more active
for vinka.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
Yes, planted cool, and you know it's just, you know,
we spend a lot of time trying to keep people
from planting stuff in a way that will make them
disappointed in the long run, exactly.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
And we used to joke around.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
At the first vinka inn or the sacrificials, because we
would bring them to the table and then I'd spend
a lot of time trying to talk people into not
buying them.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
Everybody starts asking for Venca February. That's right, February, right,
And then those stay on the table so long that
I throw them away.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
And I know I'm gonna throw them away, but you know,
if if they're not there, and I'm not willing to
sacrifice a sale because I'm telling you it's too early. Yes,
I mean, gosh, I'm in the business to make a sale,
and I'm trying to discourage you from that, Celle. There
might be a little something behind that, right, you know,
I'm trying to give you the information that's do.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Best for you. So and uh.
Speaker 4 (20:04):
Also choreopsis, Yeah, uh, there's a new Upticks series. Upticks
are most choreopsis are a long day plants, so they
flower the best under the longest days of summer. But
the upticks are day neutral, so they start blooming at
March and April and they keep blooming all the way
to November, and they're perennial. Yeah right, I've got quite
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a few in my yard. They're coming up and looking
really pretty.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
I had some I think I had maybe misty, uh salvia, yes,
and choreopsis and not. They're up, they're in color, they're gorgeous.
Got a lot of the purple cone flowers in my house.
I do a lot of things where I don't have
to work so hard.
Speaker 4 (20:45):
All the salvias we sell in one gallon containers usually
can be a perennial in baton rouge.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
Yeah, sometimes I have better luck with a.
Speaker 4 (20:56):
Variety differences, and of course it depends on what kind
of winter we have and how what the soil stays
during the winter.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
Right, the short, the stubby flower varieties I usually have
more consistent, Yes, But I do have some of the deeper, longer,
more tubular style flowers black and bloom, some of those
that have come back successfully. But this year the moisture
I think I've lost some due to that area stays
a little overly wet where I have.
Speaker 4 (21:22):
Those, so really good for hummingbirds and.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
Oh, hummingbirds are in which, by the way, Mother's Day
gifts lots of hummingbirds and stuff in the store.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
But yeah, I just I love watching them.
Speaker 4 (21:34):
You may want to think about planting some Louisiana superplant
Gara garas, also called whirling butterflies. There's white bloomers and
some that have pink flowers and kind of a rosy
pink color tone. And those are strong perennials. They are
very reliable, and.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Some of those put out a decent amount of seed.
I know some of the older varieties do.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
I'm not so certain about the newer varieties, but they
would free seed and you'd get lots of extras.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
For the next year.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
Olwen's we see new ones more sterile, more sterile, yeah, yeah,
but still strong perennials come back. Lots of colors. Whirling
butterflies because the flower kind of looks like a little
it does fly, it's kind of.
Speaker 4 (22:11):
Nice and it flowers kind of dance in the wind.
Nice uh, nice visual. The white ones get a lot
taller than the shorter growing rose and the pink ones.
So so you got to pick out the variety and
think about your plant heighth and your color b as
and put your taller plants towards the back or the middle,
shorter plants toward the front. Pushes some vermillionaire kufia in
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there also, which is a plan.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
That's one of the Louisiana super plants for this year,
for this year, and that's a great All the kufias
are really good, right, and coufias that would include Hawaiian heather, yes,
Mexican heather. A lot of people call everything that's purple
Mexican heather, which isn't correct, but because the look in
the landscape is quite different.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
But yeah, they're strong.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
And actually I don't know so much about like the
vamillionaire for bees, but the regular Hawaiian or Allison that's
a great bee plant.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
Bees are over them all the time.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
Yeah, and I mean I've got them. They're back up
from last year. They've got some good size to them.
They've been blooming for over a you know, over a month.
And I actually recommend that quite often in the vegetable gardens.
Speaker 4 (23:25):
Right, I see honey bees on them in addition to bumblebees,
right right, Yeah, and you know, we don't need to
be afraid of the bees when you walk by the
sidewalk and there's bees all over your flowers.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
They're more interested in those bloods, that's right, when they
are with you, with you.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
We have a lot of people that are actually scared
of those and you know they've gotten stung a child.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
But when the bees are working, I.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
I will actually sometimes, especially like in a hibiscus, somebody's
scared to bee, I would just take my hand and
just kind of show them out, literally touch him and
move him out. He just goes to another flower, She
goes to another flower if it's a honeybee.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
I don't know about the other variagies.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
But yeah, when they're working, you have to do something
that's just really rude to them to get them to
sting you. Right, So don't be don't be scared about
those pies. And they're so good for everything. You're listening
to the WJBO on a garden show, the you know
the show where you can pick up the phone and
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give us a call if you have long and garden questions.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
And we haven't had many this morning, haven't either.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
We've done such a really good job of educating people
all these years. Or like Butch says, maybe there's only
two or three people listening and maybe, you know, maybe
they've already called in, so I don't know.
Speaker 4 (24:34):
I'm always pleasantly surprised that people who say they listen
to us.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
Oh yeah, pretty darn regular basis. That's right. I hear that.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
Also, it's very it's very very complimentary. Sometimes I'll be
talking to somebody and who oh, you're the guy. I'm like,
I'm the guy.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
What you know your voice?
Speaker 3 (24:49):
Oh yeah, okay, yeah, oh but please, if you have
any questions, pick up the phone. It's you know, Alan's
regular here. But this man is packed with knowledge. Oh well,
you know, unpacked with something else. So if you have
some phone calls, pick it up, pick up that phone,
give us call four nine.
Speaker 4 (25:11):
When you've worked retail as long as Scott, you kind of.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
Get everything.
Speaker 4 (25:18):
Yeah, and every time I go give a talk Scott,
you know, somebody will ask a question that where the
heck did that question come from?
Speaker 2 (25:26):
And what the heck is the answer to it? Yeah,
we get lots of interesting questions.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
Uh yeah, there's uh, there's there's no guidelines when comes
at the nursery. So I mean, yeah, so anyway, you know,
we talked about the citrus damage with Butch earlier in
the show, and uh, some of the Louisiana super plants
for this year or some of the Indica azalias. Yes,
I hadn't really seen. Well, I'll take it back. I
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haven't had any customers coming in yet with branches dying
out and such, because it's kind of mild. But I
was doing some heavy pruning on some azaleas in my
yard and I could see tissue splits on the stems
right on some of them, But the damage wasn't expressed
in the outer reaches yet because right now, the relationship
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between the amount of damage and the amount of demand
from the plant really hasn't swapped sides yet, right, And
so I think that's going to be coming as we
start getting this warmer temperature, how about you.
Speaker 4 (26:27):
Yeah, I've only seen a little bit of a bark
split on azalea so far, and I think it's still
way too early to be seeing that as mild as
the spring as ben right, and when we start getting
dry weather, then I in degrees in Gne, we're going.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
To see a little bit. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
I was cutting some back some tabers on the side
of my house and I was they were you know,
I'd let them get out of hand. So I was
being kind of rough and so I was digging in
and I saw some some some decent splitting in there.
Speaker 4 (26:54):
So and a little bit more damage when you get
west of Baton Rouge going toward bro Bridge, then what
you see into the Baton Rooge Hammad area.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
Yeah, because yeah, you mentioned the last time you and
I wereung together how bad it was in life yet right.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Right, so in that area.
Speaker 4 (27:08):
So yeah, but southern end because they are prone a
little bit of coal damage on a you know, every
three or four year basis, and usually it's just gonna
be a limb limb here and a limb there, and
they recover. Well, yeah, you want to fertilize or azalias
once a year in the spring after they bloom. And
(27:29):
I don't think there's enough coal damage out there on
the azaleas to avoid fertilized, and I think fertilize.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
I think fertilization would help, you know, right.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
Yeah, unlike what we were doing for the things that
would have been fertilized very early in the season, like
the citrus that we didn't know.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
Yeah, we wouldn't have done that.
Speaker 4 (27:44):
But yeah, but they is, they're up there growing but
it is time to fertilize as aliens now if you
haven't done that.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
So yeah, absolutely, and camellias also, Yeah, all of those
things that you didn't do early because they were blooming early.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
Right, And a lot of times we tell people if
it blooms early, fertilized it after it finishes blooming. Sometimes
I think a lot of that was, you know, heavy
fertilization before blooming could have caused bud drop and such.
But a lot of the fertilizers now, if you usually
the quality fertilizer, they don't release his fast anyway exactly,
So some of that problem is kind of you know,
(28:18):
in the wash.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
Anyway. We had another caller. Okay, let's go Eve, good morning,
and thanks for.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
Calling the Wjbolna Garden Show.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
How are you this morning?
Speaker 9 (28:28):
Just waking up?
Speaker 2 (28:30):
That's good. It's a nice out there if you haven't
looked outside yet, right.
Speaker 9 (28:34):
It's good gardening weather. Actually, it is got a question.
There's areas where my.
Speaker 8 (28:41):
Son and I hope he's not listening, so I'm not
going to mention that he is, but he hasn't had
much luck in his areas.
Speaker 9 (28:49):
He's prepared and put down this that and the other.
But I want to give him some good advice for
starting over now. So I need to know, one, how
deep do you have have to turn over the soil?
On the one hand, but I've heard tilling the soil
is bad because it destroys something that the ground needs.
So how deep do you need to go to start
(29:12):
totally over? You're going to plant totally new things, and
you want to give it the best chance.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
Let's let's first of all, let's even bring it down.
Are we talking about ornamental areas or vegetable areas, or.
Speaker 9 (29:25):
We're talking about flowers that bring bees and a couple
of like a pumpkin nearby, or but as.
Speaker 8 (29:32):
Though you have a combination, but you're gonna.
Speaker 4 (29:35):
So you're talking about a landscape bed and not like
garden rows in a traditional vegetable garden.
Speaker 8 (29:43):
Correct.
Speaker 4 (29:44):
So so I would try to tell Aford to six
inches deep, And that may sound like a pretty good depth.
But if you can do that, I would I advise
you to try to do it. Yeah, I walk behind till,
I walk behind till you can get that deep. But
you got to work on it for a while, right, Yeah,
you don't.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
You don't set it to full depth the first time
through you you run it, you set it deeper, you
run it, and a walk behind killer if like me,
I would not do anything other than that now, because
the front times, well they just yank you along and
I can't fight it anymore. But a walk behind those
are those are usually much more easy on the body.
Speaker 4 (30:25):
And I would try to, you know, like use a
hose or a string and kind of outline where your
bed is going to be, and I would go in
there and kill the vegetation that's there first before I killed.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
And you could do that by using a life of
State product, right.
Speaker 9 (30:41):
I'm sorry to interrupt, Can you use Like suppose you're
just going to go in with a spade and a big, big, dark,
big heavy shovel shovel and you're going to go down
six inches. Then whatever you've got down there, what should
you put down? And then maybe come in with organic
garden soil over the whole thing and start with the
(31:03):
six inches of that?
Speaker 8 (31:05):
Is that a good idea?
Speaker 6 (31:07):
Well?
Speaker 3 (31:07):
Certainly if you have heavy soil, one of the ways
to help break it up is to add lots of
organic material and we almost always recommend that.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
Then we also recommend in in elevating.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
Now, people tell me they'll come in and say, oh,
I dug out ten inches and I took it away
and I need something to fill it in.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
So never excavate, always elevate, okay.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
And so if you take your shovel, you're not going
to be breaking it as finely as you would with
a tiller. But even doing narrow slices, there's a lot
of things now where these broad forks and stuff, they
are just causing big cracks in the soil. If you
can break it with your shovel, that's going to depending
on how big it is, that's a lot of labor.
(31:52):
But well, yeah, so you can break it up and
add your organic matter into it. You could put a
thin layer of organic material on it first and start
to break it so you get a little deeper incorporation
and then add some more after the fact.
Speaker 4 (32:08):
Alan, what do you think, Yeah, so I think, well,
Scott's basically told you what you need to do there.
I would try to get you a little bit of
incorporation of mixing your raised bed soil with your native
soil and have that transition layer.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
There is there.
Speaker 9 (32:25):
Anything you can put in or incorporate into it. For
weeds or insects preventing that.
Speaker 4 (32:32):
Well, that would be that would be like after planting
a pre emerged herbicide. Yeah, and a good layer of
pine straw Malsh. Pine straw suppress the weeds better than
pine bark or other.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
Right, I was really surprised. I remember y'all did the
study out at LSU and that was a pine straw.
So I like to use the product that normally called
dimension Okay, And then for the insect control, if you
want to put that out, you can use a buifentherin
products some.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
Has some longevity.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
If you're just trying to treat for ants and you
don't want to use other chemicals, you can use some
of the baited material.
Speaker 9 (33:12):
We use diamated right yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
Which every time it rains you kind of lose the
effectiveness of that, so you're having to reapply, reapply, reapply.
Speaker 9 (33:22):
So why is that because we don't have any if
nothing's draining off. So is it break down the diatomations.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
I don't think it's so much breaks it down.
Speaker 3 (33:31):
I think it changes how it sits on the soul
and where you're not rubbing against us, where the bug's
not rubbing against the sharp edges.
Speaker 9 (33:42):
Okay, any other recommendations.
Speaker 3 (33:45):
If you're adding lots of new organic matter, you're going
to need to fertilize to compensate for that. So always
fertilize your new your your beds after you're adding lots
of new organic material. And I would tell you the
whole first growing season you'll to fertilize a little more
regularly or pay attention to it to keep your plants
to where they and the soul organisms are both getting
(34:07):
the nitrogen.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
That they need. Okay, thank you, all right, have a
great day. Hope your son has lots of luck. All right,
and let's go.
Speaker 3 (34:17):
We've got another call and we'll go to John. John,
thanks for calling the wjbol on the Garden Show.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
How are you this morning?
Speaker 5 (34:24):
Okay, fine, thank you. Question before all the rain, I
haven't been slashing through the yard now, but before that,
I was walking through the yard and I know there's
lots of little insects flying up.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
What were they? How do you treat them?
Speaker 4 (34:40):
John?
Speaker 3 (34:40):
It could have been a lot of things. Did it
look more like a moth? I mean, I haven't seen much.
Speaker 6 (34:46):
If it looked like anything, I'd almost it looked like
a maybe grasshopper, and.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
It could be John. I mean, the range of things
that it could be is tremendous, light light, light, yellow
in color.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
If you could see our faces, you would see bewilderment, John.
So I don't know, you know, a yard without bugs
is not a healthy yard, John, in all truthfulness. So,
and not all bugs that we see are problematic. So
it could be something that's laying eggs. That might be,
or it might have been something that had just hatched,
(35:25):
or it might be something that was trying to lay
some eggs. But not everything that we see is problematic.
So what I would look for from here forward would
be areas of your lawn that look like they are deteriorating.
And at that point, maybe hone in and see if
there's something more specific that we could see. But it's
(35:50):
a good thing.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
All your vegetables are in raised beds though, and raised containers.
Speaker 5 (35:54):
Huh, Well, some of them, like the ladies it or
turning yellow or or various bacterial diseases.
Speaker 4 (36:07):
Yeah, we've had a lot of rain, and that's just
one of the common vegetable issues with our rain.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
And and make sure you're fertilizing enough.
Speaker 3 (36:15):
Yeah, yeah, And John's a experienced gardener, so yeah, but
for everybody else, if your whole plant is turning light
color tri fertilizing it, if it's just specific leaves on there,
then there might be some other like the color earlier,
where it's just some natural loss of leaves or maybe
some fungal issues or whatever.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
But John, I wish we could tell you more for
that long thing.
Speaker 3 (36:40):
I mean, you could put out a general purpose insecticide
if you felt like doing that, or you could just
continue to watch to see if you start to see
some degraded areas in the lawn and focus more on
those to try to minimize putting out stuff that's not necessary.
Speaker 5 (36:58):
Okay, thank you, all.
Speaker 3 (36:59):
Right, John, have a great on. Jackie, good morning, and
thanks for calling in. It's a wbol on a garden show.
What you doing in North Carolina?
Speaker 8 (37:07):
Well, we're up here working in my parents flower bed.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
Ah Okay.
Speaker 7 (37:14):
We just wanted to let you know even though we're
out of state, we're still listening.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
Ayah, Well, thank you, Jackie.
Speaker 3 (37:20):
That's so nice, you know, and I didn't even mention
today you can. Are you listening to us on the
iHeartRadio app? Yeah, which is free and you can catch
us all over the place, so that's really nice.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (37:34):
Well, the redendron up here is absolutely spectacular.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, and then I used to go
up there a lot.
Speaker 3 (37:43):
And then I used to love the big stands of
red hot poker sometimes just big masses of that.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
Just like like a beacon, you know.
Speaker 3 (37:52):
So here of the highways, yeah yeah, and lots of
day these on one area because they don't get the.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
Rust up there so much because they're not evergreen varies.
Speaker 3 (38:03):
So but Jackie, it's so nice of you called to
let us know that you're listening to us all the
way in North Carolina.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
It made a smile down here.
Speaker 8 (38:11):
We appreciate y'all.
Speaker 3 (38:12):
All right, you have a great day, get a lot
of gardening done. Okay, hopefully weather it's great up there.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
And that that was actually very nice, wasn't it.
Speaker 3 (38:20):
Yes, it was yeah, And again you know, you can
listen to us at the WJBO Lawn and Garden Show
on the iHeartRadio app, which is free, which is a
great value. And like I can listen to us sometimes
if I'm not on the air, I'll go back to
listen to what y'all and it you know, it'll save
the spot where you are, and you know.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
I can come back to it.
Speaker 4 (38:39):
Yeah, I'll go back and listen and see what some
of y'all say. Yeah once in a while.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
And shake your head, going, I can't believe they said that. Huhh.
Speaker 3 (38:49):
Well, we do have open phone lines and a few
moments left, so we've kind of talked.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
We said some stuff about summer color.
Speaker 8 (38:55):
Right.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
We talked about fertilization of some of the shrubs, right, fertilization.
If you need to prune your isales, now is a
great time to prune that. You need to get bazellia
pruning done right.
Speaker 3 (39:07):
And this it's a late riety like chinzan which is
just now coming into good color. That's true, so you
got to pay attention to that. Some of the encore
azalees are still blooming pretty decently, so you will wait
till after the blooming, right, what do you do for
pruning pruning your hydrangers? What's your timing well on your
on your guard and hydrange of pruning.
Speaker 4 (39:25):
You want to prune them as they ask you desire
to prune them, you know, late summer, so when they
finish blooming in August or so is when you want
to do whatever pruning you need to do on them,
maybe you start pruning.
Speaker 2 (39:41):
If you prune too late, too late, which is common,
too late, too late pruning.
Speaker 4 (39:49):
Well, it had all those sticks, and so in other words,
August through December is when they're going to be setting
supplier buds for the next right.
Speaker 3 (39:57):
So if you prune earlier enough at to the latter
part of summer, yes, yes, you'll actually get the rebound.
You get a lot of nice growth, and that growth
would be mature enough to have flowers for the next season, exactly.
But it's very common for people to go in in
December and January and clip all those brown sticks.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
Well, it was all brown, exactly.
Speaker 4 (40:18):
And the general thing on hydrange of prune when people
prune is they just sheer across the top, yes, or
some people cut everything down.
Speaker 2 (40:28):
And when you do that, well, you're.
Speaker 3 (40:32):
Slowing that plant down quite a bit and you're not
getting the results. So some more selected pruning, cutting above
a joint, taking some of the bigger, longer pieces and
reaching it and clipping those down a little bit deeper
into the plant.
Speaker 4 (40:43):
Yeah, thinning instead of topping.
Speaker 2 (40:45):
Yes, And that's a good way to say it.
Speaker 4 (40:47):
And actually the cold weather the last few winters has
impacted some hydrange of blooms in the springtime.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
Right.
Speaker 3 (40:58):
We actually had you know, we of our hydrangers out
with no protection during the winter, and we had to
do a little bit more.
Speaker 4 (41:04):
Die back, and they go fully dormant. They don't harden
off like they do in Tennessee and Kentucky. So you
know you're gonna still have susceptible buds out there when
it's twenty four degrees where I asked that normally would
not hurt a hydrange of flower bud at all. Right, right,
but they're starting to wake up in on February first.
Speaker 3 (41:27):
Yeah, yeah, let's go ahead and jump to Pat real
quick since it's close to the end of our Pat
we got, uh, we got a couple of minutes.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
What you got this morning?
Speaker 6 (41:37):
I just want to know if I could trim my
crape myrtles or get your stuff.
Speaker 2 (41:42):
Trim Oh, hey, Pat, uh?
Speaker 3 (41:46):
Pat, you know craip burd's bloom on the growth that's
new for the season. If you're pruning now, you might
be slowing down some of your blossoming, depending on what
kind of pruning you're doing, uh, selected pruning you go
in and do that. I tell people, if you have
a bad shaped branch at any time of the year,
go ahead and cut those. So what are you what
(42:08):
are you trying to achieve with this printing? You're just
trying to make the whole plant shorter. You got branches
ticking out?
Speaker 2 (42:13):
What you got?
Speaker 6 (42:14):
I got those two big white matches in front the
camp and they come up on the side of the
camp a little bit and they just they done went
crazy over the and I just kind of need to
dress them up a little. They get some of them
branches street.
Speaker 3 (42:27):
Yeah, well, pat one thing I tell you, if it's
up against the building and it's rubbing and you don't
like that, go around the back and cut those off
because from the street, nobody'll ever know. But you want
to take them off at a at the junction point
where that branch starts, or or an intersection that will
lead the growth in a different, more desirable direction. Okay,
(42:49):
So if you can go ahead and do that, If again,
if you top the whole tree, you might slow down
when you're blooming. Might occur this summer because you know
they're that growth. You're doing an overall over across the
top you're cutting off new growth, which is where he's
trying to set buds.
Speaker 6 (43:05):
So okay, well I'll see if I can do that.
Speaker 2 (43:10):
Yeah, come by, Come by and see me. We'll take
a piece of paper. We'll talk about it, all right.
Speaker 6 (43:14):
If I messed if I mess him up, it's like
a bad haircut.
Speaker 2 (43:19):
It's like a bad haircut. Pat, it'll go back, all right.
Speaker 6 (43:22):
I appreciate Jack.
Speaker 2 (43:24):
There's an art and a science to pro there is,
and you know it's all the way back to Karate Kid.
Speaker 3 (43:30):
He gives them the tree, his close eyes, picture tree,
open eyes, cut off everything that looked like tree.
Speaker 2 (43:36):
It's pretty simple. Guys.
Speaker 3 (43:38):
We got thirty seconds. I hope y'all all have a
great day today.
Speaker 2 (43:41):
Alan, thanks for coming in to see this guy. iHeartRadio.
Speaker 3 (43:44):
Mother's Day. Got lots of stuff from Mother's Day.
Speaker 2 (43:46):
Come see us.
Speaker 3 (43:47):
Come with your.
Speaker 2 (43:47):
Fashion open on Sunday. We are from ten to five tomorrow.
Come see us. Guys, have a great day. Go Tigers, Tigers,
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