March 7, 2025 • 41 mins
This week on the WJBO Lawn & Garden Show, we're proud to welcome a local legend - Johnny Naylor! Butch and the interns pepper him with questions ranging from new vegetable seeds, the best way to grow melons, why you should get a soil analysis, and weed control and fertilization tips for your lawn!
As always, thanks to our partners Clegg's Nursery!
NOTE: This week's show was pre-recorded, but we'll be live again next Saturday (3/15/25)! If you want to take part, give us a call at (225) 499-9526 between 8 and 9 am! Or you can leave us a message anytime using the Talkback Mic on our new, improved and still free iHeartRadio app! And don't forget to add WJBO and the WJBO Lawn & Garden Show as presets on the app!
As always, thanks to our partners Clegg's Nursery!
NOTE: This week's show was pre-recorded, but we'll be live again next Saturday (3/15/25)! If you want to take part, give us a call at (225) 499-9526 between 8 and 9 am! Or you can leave us a message anytime using the Talkback Mic on our new, improved and still free iHeartRadio app! And don't forget to add WJBO and the WJBO Lawn & Garden Show as presets on the app!
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Good Saturday morning, and welcome to the WGBO Lon and
Garden Show, brought to you by Cleg's Nursery. Good morning,
and welcome back to wjbre's Lon and Garden Show. Today.
I'm here with Johnny Naylor and but Shrews from Cleg's Nursery.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Good morning, good morning, good morning, and we have a
special in studio guest today.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Caroline, Hey, Caroline, Hi, all right, Well, this is going
to be a pre recorded show. Actually we're recording it now,
so we'll be pre recorded when they listen to it.
So fortunately we will not be able to take any
phone ins obviously because we're not here right now when
you're listening to this, but hopefully you'll be able to
(00:42):
learn something in the next hour because we do have
local expert Johnny Naylor, who has forgotten more than I'll
ever know. So actually we've been together for more years
and neither one of us will admit, and it's been
a pleasure working with him for all these years. I
just realized after you agreed to do this that we've
(01:02):
actually been with Cleggs for over eight years now, yep.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
But we've been doing it together for almost.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Forty yes, we have, Yes, we have. So I believe
Ana Clair has a few questions, so let's get started
with that.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
I do any new varieties of vegetable seeds that you
have on your wall this year?
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Any new ones?
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Within the last two years. Yes, we've added a few things,
dropped a few things.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
What is new and exciting on the seed wall?
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Well, we actually have a relatively new bell pepper. It's
called Turnpike.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
That's it.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
It's a very nice, large greened red. I started trying
to find varieties that were resistant to bacterial spot and
it is. It's an issue, and it showed a tremendous resistance.
I had no spotting on that. We also grew a
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variety called Ninja. I don't have the seed for it,
but we do have the plants for it. And it
was a very nice pepper and showed high resistance to it,
and none showed up at all. The older Aristotle also
shows pretty good resistance.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
I'll tell you in my garden. I didn't mean the
rupt you there, Johnny, but in my garden both I
thought it was tradition, but it is Turnpike and the
other one. They did extremely well. They did it much
better than Aristotle, which has always been kind of my
go to pepper.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Well, there are actually ten races of this organism, and
Aristotle is resistant to four of them, the Turnpike resistant
to seven, in Ninja resistant to all ten, but none
of them seemed to show up with it this past season.
And they made just beautiful peppers. I mean, these big,
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thick wall peppers. It's kind of like you see in
the grocery store now.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
All right. Yeah, and that bacterial speck is an issue
in most gardens. Typically I would have lost my peppers
by July at the latest, but this year I actually
ended up having to pull them at the end of
the season. So I agree with you those two particular varieties.
So you're going to have the seeds for Turnpike, but
obviously Cleggs will have the plants on both Ninja and Turnpike.
(03:23):
Work outing on it all right, Because I think I
saw a Turnpike at the store the other day when
I was in there.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
We've already had some come in a little early.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
I think, huh, well it is for me. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
March fifteenth is our average last killing frost dates, so
that's usually kind of my go to date. I look
at the ten day forecast, and if there's no real
cold wind or no frost in sight, then I go.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Isn't it true that? As opposed to a tomato, which
if it gets cold, it may this color a little bit,
but it'll grow out of it. But peppers can actually
stunt if they get too cold, can't they?
Speaker 3 (04:01):
Peppers and eggplant both, Yeah, you can create you know,
a condition where they don't grow properly. Tomatoes usually just
show necrosis. I mean they you know, they'll get white
tissue on them if they're too young a plant, but
they'll normally grow out of that.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
I put a little fertilizer on and they grow right out.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
Who they respond to it.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
I'll tell you what I'm mad at you about one
thing though, Dixie squash.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
Isn't it Dixie Dixie squash one of my favorites.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
I planted eight of them, which was a mistake. I
should have planted one. That is one of the most
prolific squash that I have ever seen, and I was surprised.
I don't know if it was just the year or what,
but I had had minimal squash fine bor issues with it.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
Well. One of the nice things about growing varieties like Dixie.
I also try it another one last year called Gentry.
They're very early and if you can get them in
on time, about the middle of March, they start producing,
and so earlier you'll usually get your five to six
weeks of you know, quality harvest before squash fine boar
even shows up. So that's one of the reasons I
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picked that one last year. With the two varieties that
I was trialing, I was picking twelve to eighteen squash
every day.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Yes, I know.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
What do you do with twelve to eighteen squash?
Speaker 2 (05:21):
The neighbors turn off the line they run when I
would come. Just a little oddball question here, do you
think with the cold weather and the snow, do you
think that would kill off some of the pupa of
the squash fine boar? Do you think they would be
probably unaffected?
Speaker 3 (05:38):
Oh no, I'm sure they survived because they survived a
lot farther north than this.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Oh well, I was hope hopeful. You had another question,
I do.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
What is the secret to growing melons?
Speaker 3 (05:52):
More specific watermelons canaloo.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Candle up, and honey do in particular.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
I don't find a particularly difficult to grow as long
as you've got some room for them to run, and
there are some very good varieties that do here. We
added a new variety called sugar rush a couple of
years ago. The original variety was called sugar cube. It
was very sweet. Melon did very well, very productive, but
and it just kind of on the small side. So
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sugar rush is now the larger.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
And that's gonna be a candleope, right, that's gonna.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
Be a canleope. The biggest issue I ever had was
cantileap was keeping the coons out.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Of they knows find of one or two times that
I've tried to grow them that they just don't that sweet.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
Well, it depends on the stage of development. That's one
of the advantages in growing them home is you can
harvest them at different times. There mostly what you would
find in a grocery store being pulled at what's called
half slip, and that's where you actually picked the melon
up and it would break loose about halfway and you
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have to cut the rest of it if you. Cantlope
will continue to mature, but they don't get any sweeter.
So whatever sugars you have in there at the time
of harvest, that's all you get. So if you can
leave them on there until full slip and you mean
they just come off the vine, I mean you just
pick it up and it just separates from the buy.
Now you're a full slip slip and that is as
sweet as they're going to be.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Well, that's good information right there.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
What Gordon fertilizer do you recommend?
Speaker 3 (07:31):
Well, without a without a soul analysis, you don't really
know what you've got, so you don't know what you need.
So I usually give people something close to a one
one one ratio. One of my particular favorites would be
Gardener Special. It's an eleven fifteen eleven. No magic to
those numbers, as just close to a one one one
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slightly higher nitrate.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
I mean when you're when you're saying like a one
to one one or eleven fifteen eleven, And what do
those numbers actually mean? Really?
Speaker 3 (08:03):
Eleven fifteen eleven that's eleven percent night rate, eight percent
I mean fifteen percent phosphors and eleven percent potassium. So
those are your three major elements. And in that product,
unlike a field grade fertilizer, you get a minor nutrient,
and in.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Field grade fertilizer you're meant talking about some of the
old fertilizers like eight eight eight, triple thirteen, where that's
all you're getting is the big three, none of the micronutrients.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
And then typically I know Klegg's has a big brochure,
I say brochure sign on vegetable plants are teenage boys.
They require lots of food. So typically you would work
the gardener special the eleven fifteen eleven fertilizer into the
soil first when planting.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
Right, that would be your pre plant. The are you're
putting your balance down. One thing you have to remember
is phosphorus and potassium are ionically bound in the soil,
so they're gonna be there for the whole season. The
one thing and they don't remain in the soil. They
don't move freely. They do better if you'll incorporate them,
get them to a lower level. Nitrates, however, are not bound.
(09:15):
They're free moving, and that's the one thing that makes
the plant green and grow. So it's something that we
supplement through the season. We don't need any more fossis
to potassium, so we pick a nitrate source like calcium
nitrate or ammonium sulfate and every two to three weeks
you just give them a supplemental side dressing of just
(09:36):
a pure nitrate source. This doesn't just improve growth and color,
it also improves your fruit size.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Isn't it. And that's one of the negatives I feel of.
I'm gonna say bulk or field grade fertilizer because as
you just said, you don't need the poster some potassium,
especially if you're top dressing, because it's just gonna sit
there on the top. So if you'll do your complete
fertilizer as an incorporation before you plant, and then supplement
(10:06):
with the nitrogen that moves, you're going to be much
better off.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
I feel well, yeah, And I mean if you keep
using balances all the way through the ceiling season, is
your side dressing your fosters and potassium levels begin to
build up. We want to make sure that we have
an adequate supply, but not anything excessive.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Is that why sometimes when we get those soil samples
in the fosters and potassium or through the room.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
And exactly, look, if you come in with you know,
three four hundred parts per million, that's fine. It just
means you're elevated. You have plenty on need anymore. But
when they start showing up with three or four thousand
per million, you'll get them high enough you'll actually start
tying up minor nutrients and it's possible you start showing
minor nutrient deficiencies as a result.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Yeah, and that's one of the things that if you
do come in, and Johnny has mentioned the soil samples,
which I think is extremely important for people. Well, you
don't have to do it every year, but every other year.
I don't know what does it cost ten dollars now,
I don't even remember. It changes all the time. But
you can come in. There's a little bag that you
can get and you can send it out to LSU
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and they will send you back. Bring that by. Somebody
at Clegg's Nursery will just do exactly what Johnny said.
You know, you've got high fosterhors and potassium already, let's
skip that this year. All will do is top dress
with the nitrogen. We won't worry so much about doing
a complete fertilizer. We don't have to do that all
the time, especially if you've been doing it over periods
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of time. Maybe just a fertilizer, I mean a nitrogen.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Well, you can fly out of the seat of your
pants after you've had you know, at least one. You know,
you got to get one labbers on back years ago
when it was free. We do him almost every year.
Well you're cheap, got to be two bucks, that's fine.
Five bucks, yeah, about every other year now it's like
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so I do them about every three or four years.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Johnny Taylor does have what does it called the go
fundme page for a soil samples if you want to
get in touch our special in studio guests might have
a question, can.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
You do the long we control control now? And what
would you use?
Speaker 3 (12:21):
Well, we actually have a cocktail that we use. It's
Atrogine and Protocol Weed free Zone, and we put us
a factor with this breader sticker and there's not much
in the broad leaf world that that will not control.
And as long as you're between forty and ninety degrees
and you got about eight to twelve hours no rain coming,
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that's an opportunity to use it. Right now, these cool
season weeds are all trying to finish their season, so
you see a lot more growth than you did two
months ago.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
The snow actually helped the weeds.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
I don't think it affected them all. The one thing
it did was it put all our long grasses into
deep dormancy. So these weeds were just having a field
day by themselves because there was no competition. One of
the reasons to go in even now at this point
and get rid of them is just to let the
grass come out. I mean, it's trying to break dohrmancy
and grow back out, and these weeds are offering big competition,
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so it's still an opportunity. A lot of these things
are annuals and can be controlled if you will use
a pre emergent in like late September early October. Most
of these weeds start germinating in November. They're just going
to stay small plants. They start to manifest themselves usually
January through February and in the March. So if you
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want to you know, do a pre emergent, you won't
be looking at all these weeds every morning. If you
only do post emergent control this time of the year,
you're going to see them every year. It's great for us,
good for business. But if you really want to get
them under control, you do a combination of post emergent
January through February and pre emergence in late September or
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early October.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
What is the post emergent we're using on lawns right.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
Now, Well, the post emergent would be the cocktail. There's
one particular week Poe Annual that some people know it
as Annual blue grass, a little bright green grass got.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
Troll Sea Hills, Remember the trolls when we were kids,
with a little you know, straight up hair. That's what
I always think of it as well. I guess we
could call it that got a new name now, troll grass.
But the atrogene actually controls it very well. When you
use the cocktail, the wheat resigning there work's much faster,
and so you'll see a lot of things that will
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turn yellow in you know, just five or six days,
and that little grass is going to be nice and
bright and green, and you just have to be patient.
In about ten to fourteen days, you'll see it begin
to go down. I've seen it go even longer. I
used to tell people twenty one days, just because otherwise
you get people coming in exactly like you say, So,
I used this yesterday and it's not showing up anything yet. Well,
(15:03):
it's not going to be quite that quick. But no,
but the lawn weed killers that the three products, Like
you said, the weed free zone is your broad leaf
weheed killer, meaning that you know the leaf is round,
would be like a shrub leaf almost where the atrazine,
if I'm correct, is more of a grassy weed control
and some of your more winter weeds. It will be
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effective on which one of the two is better on stickers?
Is it the weed free zone?
Speaker 3 (15:30):
Yeah? Free zone works very well on and stickers.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
Right now. I noticed it in my yard. I was
out walking around this morning. It looks like easter grass,
just a real bright, little bushy green thing. And now's
the time to control that because the sticker, if I'm
not mistaken, is actually the sea seed. So once we
get the stickers sticking in our feet or our kids
feed or our pets feet, it's almost too late. Now
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are the pre emergence to do anything for those free emergence.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
Yeah, there's one, the one we call dimension. I mean,
it's something you can use in the lawn in also
in the beds. It does pretty good job on.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
Now you can't use this in gardens.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
So right, no vegetable garden, but you can use it
in flowers or you know, shrubs. You can use it
in your lawn. Not all of these pre emergers have
turf and ornamental labels on them, but the thiop here
or dimension actually works very well in both areas and
covers a very broad group of weeds. So I see
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this on the label, you would find it listed as
either spurweed or burrowed down here, we all just call
it sticker weed. But I mean I see it flowering
right now, so that means it's going to be setting
you know, seed, real soon. And once the seed are set,
even if you go in there and spread, it's still
going to drop all that seed, so it'll be waiting
for you for next year. There's another reason for the
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pre merger.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Gee that's so nice to think about. But dollar weed.
Both of the products are some what effect of both
the atrazine and the weed free zone have effect on
dollar weed. But you had mentioned briefly the use of
the surf factant. Dollar weed, which looks like a dog
green dollar or a lily pad in your yard, has
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actually like a waxy I think it's called cuticle layer,
the outer layer, so the spreader sticker actually sticks the
weed killer to the weed, especially dollar weed, so it's
absorbed right.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
Real, yeah, I mean that's part of why we use
the surfactant. There's some weeds if you didn't have the
surrect it probably wouldn't make a difference. Now in surfractans
or spreader sticker does more than just make it stick.
I mean, that's one of the things we count on
when you spray something like dollar weed or do chond
or something. It makes it spread out and stick to it,
But it also helps with absorption, and that's a real
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key when you're using these contact herbicides. We've got to
make sure that the plants absorb them well to get
good control.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Do you mean that's why when I use to use
ivory liquid, I didn't get as good a control. Well.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
When you start using soaps with some of these these chemicals,
you have to watch them. One of the things about spreadersticker,
if you look on the label it says non ionic surfacting,
it just means it won't react with your chemical. When
you start using soaps, you can get reaction with your chemicals.
You're always better off to use a spreadersticker than just
a fut.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
Doesn't the bubbling and the soap degrade the chemical if
I well, it can.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
And that's another The fractics are low foaming, so they
don't uh, they don't bubble all up when you add
that soap to it. If you do any agitation, you
can be burping bubbles all over the place.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
All right, What do well shit got Anna Claire?
Speaker 1 (18:42):
Is it time to fertilize thealons yet?
Speaker 3 (18:45):
Well? When you can mow your grass second time fertilize.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
My little rule of thumb is the second time I
mow the grass. The first time I mow the grass,
it's because Shirley wants me to, because of the leaves
and the sticks, right and the and a second time
I mow my grass, my grass is growing.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
That's right. Well that's my old turf professor used to
say that you didn't You didn't fertilize your lawn too.
You could mow it twice. Hey, you were right on target.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
I'm smarter and I thought so.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
I mean that's and there's no hurry on this. The
lawn foods are all nitrates, so I mean, these things
are just letting it go. And if there's nothing there
to grow, it's just going right out at the bottom.
Turning back to a gas get your money's worth wait
till late March early April.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
Now, a lot of the lawn and that's one of
the things going back to when we were discussing the
vegetable gardens, the bulk fertilizers. The nitrogen. The first number
in those releases extremely quickly.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
Right they're using they're using ammonium sulfate, which is just
the cheapest source of nitrate they can find right now.
But it is one hundred percent quick release, so it's
just gonna let everything go. Nothing else is retained.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
Whereas a lot of your your fertile on products, which
is what we sell at Clegs, those actually have some
coatings on the nitrogen that cause them to release over
a longer period of time, so you're not getting that
just one initial boost. But still there's a limit to
how long that is.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
Right, I mean, they'll blend them like though. We sell
a product called long Food plus Iron. It's got twenty
four percent night rate. Less than two percent of that
is in an ammoniacal form or a quick release form.
They put that in there so that you see some
quick results and there's got a nice iron contact content
to it. So you get a real rich color. But
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the rest of that night rate twenty two point three
percent is in a coded urea, so it will release
over a period of time. So I mean rainfall has
a lot to do with just how You're also right,
timpture affects it as well. Yeah, okay, so we can.
But Saint Augustine grass again, I go back to my
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teenage boy. Thing is a very heavy feeder if I'm
not that's correct, and where your centipede lawns tend to be, well,
the NH girls and not eat as much. Well that
and they don't they don't want as much either. Centipede
is one that you can't treat. You can. I treat
it like Saint Augustine. It has a lower nutrient requirement,
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and Saint Augustine you can put a lot on there
if you want to. I mean, I like I have
Saint Augustine. I like a healthy lawn. So if if.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
I remember, I'm sorry, I'm interrupting you, but I think
I remember your dad saying a healthy Saint Augustine lawn
your mowing twice a week.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
That's exactly right. And that's why not only get two
you could put up to three or four on their
year if you want them old grass twice a week.
I just want a healthy law and I don't want
to cut grass twas.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
So you have Saint Augustine and you're saying fertilized twice.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
I do twice.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
When do you do it?
Speaker 3 (21:42):
Well? Once late March early April, and then I do
another application, usually kind of midsummer July. I tend to
put on Mellorganite is my second application. It's uh lower analysis.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
I mean, it won't tell what it really is.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
I'm going to tell you what it really is. But
it's our organic alternative to the synthetics. But it releases
very slowly and you literally can't burn with it. So
it's just something that I can put down and just
kind of wait for the next rain, and it keeps
everything green and healthy and growing without me having no
gut edge twice a week.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
We're centipede. You would probably not do that application.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
Are you split it? Centipede? It requires a pound to
about it and a half a nitrate per thousand square feet.
And what that would mean if you bought a cidnipe
poo food that's about and you follow their rate that's
about a pound per thousand square feet, so that'd be
an annual feed. So you either do the one and
that's fine. I mean, they don't have to be split out,
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or you can. You can split it out. Do half
of it now and half of it in a few months.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
Real quick, before we get back to some questions that
we have, just want to promote one more time the
lsu Accenter's Garden Show this weekend. Cleggs will have a
booth out there as well. Several of the smaller nurseries
actually great little places come by see lots of local crafts.
They actually usually have a children's area that has some
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really cool demonstrations in it. Saturday from nine to four
and Sunday from nine to three. Again, that's at the
John M. Parker agg Center. That's where Pete Merrivich used
to play basketball. And actually one of the coolest things
was one time we were there setting up the show
and one of the people there actually showed me where
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the boy's locker room was, and I got to go
down and see the boy's locker room. So it was
kind of kind of neat somebody had already taken Pete's.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
Locker room off, but pretty rinky dinky, pretty rinky dinky.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
Yeah, I think my junior high was nicer than that.
But anyway, we were talking about fertilizing our lawns. I
think you had another question, Anna Claire.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
Yes, do you recommend weed and feed or separate fertilizer
weed applications?
Speaker 3 (23:58):
Okay, well, I'm not a big weeding feed proponent, and
really the problem is we control needs to go down
at one time, fertilizer needs to go down in another.
Now if your grass is if you've waited long enough,
your grass has broken dormancy, then there's really no issue.
You can still do your we control and you're fertilize
(24:18):
at the same time. They actually blend these wheding feeds
with about one hundred percent slower ease to ditrate, so
it allows you to put it down early without losing
all your diitrate before the grass breaks. But I still
suggest if you're going to use use them after the
grass has actually broken dormancy and has begun to grow.
At least is the.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
Saint Oxtine weedon still atrosine.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
It's still atrosine, and it's only they call it Saint
Augustine whaeden feed. But if you look at the analysis,
it's actually a centipede analysis.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
Well, yeah, I mean it really is. And that's one
of the things that I've always been exactly like you, Johnny,
is that you're either putting one out too early or
you're putting one out too late. And actually being that
now the what is it weed out?
Speaker 3 (25:03):
Is there?
Speaker 2 (25:04):
Is it still red bag?
Speaker 3 (25:05):
Yeah, the red bag weat out.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
And that is a post emergent we killer in that
particular product. So if you're waiting into March or even
April to do a weed and feed, that's really probably
the one we would suggest. Then if you're this late, yeah,
I mean, that's a trimac product, which just beats. It's
a it's a contact herbicide. It'll cover a little broader
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group than atrazine product will uh. And it's basically the
same fertilizer as our lawn food plus iron. Just so
you're still majority slowly sit rates.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
Uh. When you're using a granulated contact herbicide, you've got
to make sure that it's going to stick on that leaf.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
And how would you do that?
Speaker 3 (25:48):
You put it out and do still on the ground.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
You mean, you don't want to take all the time
to water first.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
If you have to. Just you know, if you put
it out and look, it doesn't take a lot. We
just need to sit on there. If you put it
out completely dry and wind starts blowing, blows it all off,
it will minimize your control. That's one of the reasons
I prefer liquid applications over granules.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
We're actually the Saint Augustine wheat and feed, which again
that's a misnomber name because it can be used on
all of our grasses except for Bermuda. Don't use it
on Bermuda, but that one you actually do water in afterwards. Okay,
so many people you know that have been doing lawn
care for themselves for some years. You put out a fertilizer,
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you water well with the weed out lawn fertilizer. You
actually want moisture there first, and you don't want a
water right away.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
That's correct. You've got to give it leaving only long
enough for it to begin to absorb before you is
that after forty eight hours no, I mean twelve twenty
four will be plenty. And then if you get a
rain or if you want water in after that, that's fine. Uh.
The answerdine product and the Saint Augustin weeding feed doesn't
really make a whole lot of difference. You have more
in corporate action than contact action, so it does have
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some contact action. So if you do leave it over
there for a while, you'll notice so many things will
start turning in just a few days, but some of
them will take you a lot longer.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
I just had a question and completely forgot it. So
go ahead of Hanaclaire.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
What fire at killer do you recommend and can it
be used in a garden?
Speaker 3 (27:20):
Well, for me, probably tall Star would be by first choice.
And that's just something that you can treat an entire
area with. And that's by Finthern. If I'm not myssay,
that's by Fenthren. Now the Bifinthren chemical is a proof
of vegetables, but that product is not, so you can
buy Fintherrine products.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
I'm gonna and this isn't what is we like you
just said. I'm sorry, I'm kind of rambling here, but
you said by Finthern is in several products. But I
have heard so many people and I actually have had
some experience myself, that Telstar is by Fantheron, but it
does seem work better.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
Well, it's the carrier that they're using. You can buy
the same product, the same chemical, you don't get that
same life out of it. That's uh, that's why we
use the tass store if you're going to broadcast an area,
because it'll release that carrier releases over a long period
of time.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
So what do you mean by carrier?
Speaker 3 (28:17):
All right, that's the granule.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
That's you mean that granule isn't by Fendrin.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
Granule is the carrier. And uh so you have to
find a carrier that will hold the chemical and then
let it go. And most of the carriers that's fine.
I mean you find one that will hold the chemical,
you put it down and just let it all go.
So you get pretty good acute control, but uh, not
a lot of lasting effect with it. By Fendering, is
a pyrethroid, which just means that it is not real
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stable out in the sun and high temperature. So uh,
if it releases all it's chemical, it's gonna break down
pretty pretty quick. But uh, that's what separates the toss
star from the rest of them, and it releases that
chemical over a long period of time.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
It's kind of cool. I got an opportunity once the
way they do it, and I was I just never
really thought of it. But even with some of your fertilizers,
what you're scene is what you were talking about as
a carrier. They actually kind of run this carrier through
and almost spray the chemical on there to get it
to hold. So it's kind of cool how they do that.
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Carriers can be anything from sand, clay. I've seen them
use grain product.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
Grittiob They've actually ground up corn cobs and used it.
It's a good carrier.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
So anyway, that's interesting.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
I have another question, great, when should we use a
pre emerging on our lawns and flower beds.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
Yeah, well, we have two seasons of weeds here. We
have cool season and we have warm season, right we
so lucky, oh we are. We're actually applying warm season
pre emergence right now. It only affects seeds, so a
lot of our summertime weeds are perennials and pre emergers
aren't going to really have an effect on them. Lispides,
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it just happens to be one that's a real problem,
and if you get your pre emerging down on time,
it actually does a pretty good job with it. If
you've got things like Virginia button weed or dollar weed.
These are perennials, so your pre emergence is not gonna
have an effect on You just have to stick with
your post emerged controls. But this is like I said,
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we would be putting it down late February early March
would be targeting our warm season annuals, and late September
early October would be targeting the cool season annuals.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
Can you look, I have I live a very busy life.
If I'm doing my weed and feed today, can I
put the pre emerging out at the same time.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
Yeah, I mean we're doing one would be post emerged control.
This would be pre emerged control, So.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
I can dump the bag of fertilizer in there and
then dump the bag of pre emerging in the same hopper.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
Would suggest not they're coming out of different rates, So
you put one down and then you just feel the
hopper up and you put the other and ned right on.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
Also, you can't blend it well enough.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
Yeah, you really can't blend it now, and there's no
hurry on it. If you're using the Dimension product, which
is one that we really suggest. It is water activated,
so it doesn't start doing anything until you get a
rain on it, or you're watered in. So if you're
putting your fertilizer down there and we're not watering right away,
you can wait on the pre Mergion.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
And that particular product as we I think we actually
talked about it a little bit earlier. That can be used
in flower beds, not vegetable gardens, but flower beds, which
is something that's kind of nice about it. And the
pre Emerson is safe underneath trees. Yeah, we don't have
to worry about some of your weed and feeds in
particular are highly recommended not to use under trees. So
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this would be something to help with some weak control
if you have a shady lawn or a lot of
trees in your yard. So I think that's it. I
wish they would do something with the name. So what
is it like Weed and Grass Preventter for law? I mean,
it's a big, old long name, So it's.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
Turf and ornamental weed control.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
There you go, just come in and ask her dimension
we know this In fact, that's probably what we know
it has.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
So if you can't use that for gardens, what can
you use.
Speaker 3 (32:17):
To Like there's a tref land product that we sell
that is a proof of vegetables. And it's not just
you have to read the label on it, because some
things we use it pre plant, some things we use
it post plant, and you can't use it on absolutely everything.
So but it does cover a good a good many
of our you know, more common vegetables, and if you
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do a transplants, that can be a big issue. But
you've got to remember pre emergence or designed to stop
seed from germinating. So uh, you just have to watch
the label on that and use the product when you're
supposed to do with the vegetable that you're growing.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
And that's one thing that's important with anything you use
as a consumer. It's your responsibility to read the label
and know exactly what you're doing. We can give you
recommendations or give you little cheat sheets, but again it
is the consumer's responsibility who's using it to actually follow
those instructions. And that is one product that I haven't
even tried to remember the label on because you're right,
(33:17):
there's so many different you do this a week out. No,
it's not quite that specific, but it is very specific.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
I have a few more questions.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
And I'd like to just comment, I really do appreciate Johnny.
You've done an excellent job and it's been fun doing
this with you. We only have nine more minutes we
have to do, so you're doing great.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
What is your opinion on the new weed killers vinegar and.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
Spruce, Well, do you want me to get my soapbox
and bring it over here for you?
Speaker 3 (33:46):
And they have a place in the market. The difference
when you're using those type herbicides then just really top kill.
I mean, if you're it's bringing you know, newly germinated
plants that don't really have an established root system, burn
them near the ground, that's going to be it. But
if you go to some you know, strong perennial, well
(34:09):
rooted plant and I spread it with any of those
that norly, it just burns it back to the ground
and you get regrowth out of it.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
Is it true that with the vinegar in particular, you
can have some issues with soil pH changes?
Speaker 3 (34:23):
Well, if only if you're spraying way too much of it.
It takes a lot of vinegar to do that. But
in that one little spot you might.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
Yeah, I was did some ever since. I think it
was a Super Bowl commercial where Spruce the weed killer
came out I've done a little reading on it now,
and that one, to me, sounds like it might be
a little bit more effective because it does break down
the cell tissue. So I'm excited to see how that goes.
(34:51):
These Both of these products are products that you would
use in what we want to call bare ground areas
where you're just wanting to kill off everything. That's not
something you would use out in your lawn or in
flower beds in particular, to kill out with.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
They're non selective, so it's not like a selective herbicide,
where what you want to live lives when you want
to die dies.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
There is a lot of REI remember, I'm gonna bring
up some old names, chloridanem tam, diazinonders man, what was it, kelthane.
A lot of our chemicals that we grew up with
are gone and are being replaced with some I'm gonna
(35:33):
use the word organics or new generation chemicals. We used
to have a product called diceyston.
Speaker 3 (35:40):
Yeah, diceystein was highly toxic, especially germally. It would have
armed through the skin very easily.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
So what is our replacement for that?
Speaker 3 (35:51):
A medicaloproo is the chemical that we're using now. Mediclop.
It was around when Disistein was there, but uh diceystem
was just a very cheap, very affordable systemic. But when
we lost it in amd of clop it is not,
you know, overly priced. I mean it's still a good.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
Sound, very effective certain insects.
Speaker 3 (36:13):
Yeah, but it's easy to apply. I mean you can
actually apply it as a foliage prey or the easier
way to apply it is to get one in a
drench formulation with the instructions to do so. I mean,
translocative systemics have a good life in that plant. For
most things, we're going to be one and done if
you get it down early enough. You're working on first
(36:36):
generation insects. Whatever you do, that first generation pretty much
dictaste the rest of the season for you. Don't wait
until the middle of the summertime when you're three generations
d come in here and start that process. So we
try to get an early start where the April is
a very good month for doing pre verge of drenches.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
And that's one of the products that so many people,
especially with younger sits trees. We come in and we
see the product, we see the problem once the problem
is there right where there's actually a drench, an amid
a cloper drench that we can do to prevent the
citrus leaf miners.
Speaker 3 (37:13):
Uh yeah, I mean we do have an amiddicloping product
that is labeled for actually fruits, vegetables, citrus and then
again if you can get it down early enough. People
worry about things like citrus leaf mining, which makes the
leaves all curly and ugly. Yeah, and that's it. I mean,
it just makes them ugly. If that's the worst thing
you get, you probably still get a crop out of it.
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But it's part of our landscape, so we don't want
ugly looking plants in them. But we try to put
that down and get it in there before the first
generation because they can have eight, nine, ten generations in
a season, so we try to break the cycle right
up front.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
Yeah, Spinosa, how do you are you? Does Spinosa have
a vegetable label?
Speaker 1 (37:55):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (37:56):
Yeah, Spinosa is. I mean, it's a biological controls not toxic,
and it's something we can use in fruits and vegetables.
It is also a control for citrus leaf mind that
we were just talking about, But you have to spray
it several times because once the leaf binder gets into
the leaf, you can't get to it, so we have
to keep it on there. I spraying enough times to
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catch you going in.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
But isn't there a limit to the number of times
we can spray?
Speaker 3 (38:21):
There is? So? Yeah, I mean, but if you do
three applications, usually in the front part of the season,
they become active when you get your first flush of
new growth in the spring town that usually follows flowering.
So that's a good trigger to start your sprain.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
Don't they They actually will only get into new growth.
They can't burrow into the old growth.
Speaker 3 (38:43):
Yeah, they're going to go after that soft tissue. Now
I can mess. I mean they're lazy insects.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
Absolutely anything else new and exciting that it's come into Cleggs.
I know y'all just recently got the kalladium bulbs.
Speaker 3 (38:58):
Yes we did.
Speaker 2 (38:59):
And what is the deal with blood meal on kalading.
Speaker 3 (39:03):
Well, I mean blood meal is just a to me,
a trickle feed nitrate source. It's a twelve zero zero
but it's blood meal has to break down to release
its nutrients, so and you can't burn with it. I
mean you can dig the holes, drop the blood meal,
and then put the bowl bright on top of it
covered up, it's just going to release very slowly. Normally
you'll get larger leaves with it, more vibrant color.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
That's That's the one thing I've always noticed is whenever
I've used pansies or another plant that is effected, but
with kaladiums, it just seems like the color of the
leaf is so much brighter. Yeah, I'm quite understand that,
but that's not me to question. But vegetable plants pretty
pretty good supply.
Speaker 3 (39:43):
Oh yeah, I mean we started getting vegetables pretty heavy
starting about mid February, and real heavy starting about the
first of March. So between now and May you can
find most varieties that you're looking for, as long tomatoes okay.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
To go on the ground.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
If you're willing to cover them. I wait, because I
don't like covering things, and worse, I don't like replacing things,
so I tend to wait.
Speaker 2 (40:09):
If that is that why you're not doing soil samples anymore,
I'm cheap, that's right.
Speaker 3 (40:16):
No, I'll probably put most stuff and just from what
I can see right now. Yeah, my target date of
about the fifteenth of March will will go. If you
look at the long term forecast and you see a
couple of days or nights that are gonna be down
in the mid forties, you put a ten to fifteen
mile an hour wind behind that, it is just as
bad as a frost.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
So yeah, of course it takes that ground heat out.
Speaker 3 (40:39):
Yeah, if you got them in the little the cells
on those young plants are very thin and it'll dry
them out. It dehydrates them just like a frost does.
So if we're going to get that there's windy days,
even though it's not going to be a frost, just
put a bucket over them protected from that wind. Any
potatoes left, Yeah, we're still just a few. And if
you hurry, we can potatoes in make a pretty good crop.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
They might be a little small, but you can plant potatoes. Again,
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(41:22):
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Good Saturday morning, and welcome to the WGBO Lon and
Garden Show, brought to you by Cleg's Nursery. Good morning,
and welcome back to wjbre's Lon and Garden Show. Today.
I'm here with Johnny Naylor and but Shrews from Cleg's Nursery.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Good morning, good morning, good morning, and we have a
special in studio guest today.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Caroline, Hey, Caroline, Hi, all right, Well, this is going
to be a pre recorded show. Actually we're recording it now,
so we'll be pre recorded when they listen to it.
So fortunately we will not be able to take any
phone ins obviously because we're not here right now when
you're listening to this, but hopefully you'll be able to
(00:42):
learn something in the next hour because we do have
local expert Johnny Naylor, who has forgotten more than I'll
ever know. So actually we've been together for more years
and neither one of us will admit, and it's been
a pleasure working with him for all these years. I
just realized after you agreed to do this that we've
(01:02):
actually been with Cleggs for over eight years now, yep.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
But we've been doing it together for almost.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Forty yes, we have, Yes, we have. So I believe
Ana Clair has a few questions, so let's get started
with that.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
I do any new varieties of vegetable seeds that you
have on your wall this year?
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Any new ones?
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Within the last two years. Yes, we've added a few things,
dropped a few things.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
What is new and exciting on the seed wall?
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Well, we actually have a relatively new bell pepper. It's
called Turnpike.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
That's it.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
It's a very nice, large greened red. I started trying
to find varieties that were resistant to bacterial spot and
it is. It's an issue, and it showed a tremendous resistance.
I had no spotting on that. We also grew a
(02:06):
variety called Ninja. I don't have the seed for it,
but we do have the plants for it. And it
was a very nice pepper and showed high resistance to it,
and none showed up at all. The older Aristotle also
shows pretty good resistance.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
I'll tell you in my garden. I didn't mean the
rupt you there, Johnny, but in my garden both I
thought it was tradition, but it is Turnpike and the
other one. They did extremely well. They did it much
better than Aristotle, which has always been kind of my
go to pepper.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Well, there are actually ten races of this organism, and
Aristotle is resistant to four of them, the Turnpike resistant
to seven, in Ninja resistant to all ten, but none
of them seemed to show up with it this past season.
And they made just beautiful peppers. I mean, these big,
(02:57):
thick wall peppers. It's kind of like you see in
the grocery store now.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
All right. Yeah, and that bacterial speck is an issue
in most gardens. Typically I would have lost my peppers
by July at the latest, but this year I actually
ended up having to pull them at the end of
the season. So I agree with you those two particular varieties.
So you're going to have the seeds for Turnpike, but
obviously Cleggs will have the plants on both Ninja and Turnpike.
(03:23):
Work outing on it all right, Because I think I
saw a Turnpike at the store the other day when
I was in there.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
We've already had some come in a little early.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
I think, huh, well it is for me. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
March fifteenth is our average last killing frost dates, so
that's usually kind of my go to date. I look
at the ten day forecast, and if there's no real
cold wind or no frost in sight, then I go.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Isn't it true that? As opposed to a tomato, which
if it gets cold, it may this color a little bit,
but it'll grow out of it. But peppers can actually
stunt if they get too cold, can't they?
Speaker 3 (04:01):
Peppers and eggplant both, Yeah, you can create you know,
a condition where they don't grow properly. Tomatoes usually just
show necrosis. I mean they you know, they'll get white
tissue on them if they're too young a plant, but
they'll normally grow out of that.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
I put a little fertilizer on and they grow right out.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
Who they respond to it.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
I'll tell you what I'm mad at you about one
thing though, Dixie squash.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
Isn't it Dixie Dixie squash one of my favorites.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
I planted eight of them, which was a mistake. I
should have planted one. That is one of the most
prolific squash that I have ever seen, and I was surprised.
I don't know if it was just the year or what,
but I had had minimal squash fine bor issues with it.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
Well. One of the nice things about growing varieties like Dixie.
I also try it another one last year called Gentry.
They're very early and if you can get them in
on time, about the middle of March, they start producing,
and so earlier you'll usually get your five to six
weeks of you know, quality harvest before squash fine boar
even shows up. So that's one of the reasons I
(05:09):
picked that one last year. With the two varieties that
I was trialing, I was picking twelve to eighteen squash
every day.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Yes, I know.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
What do you do with twelve to eighteen squash?
Speaker 2 (05:21):
The neighbors turn off the line they run when I
would come. Just a little oddball question here, do you
think with the cold weather and the snow, do you
think that would kill off some of the pupa of
the squash fine boar? Do you think they would be
probably unaffected?
Speaker 3 (05:38):
Oh no, I'm sure they survived because they survived a
lot farther north than this.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Oh well, I was hope hopeful. You had another question,
I do.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
What is the secret to growing melons?
Speaker 3 (05:52):
More specific watermelons canaloo.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Candle up, and honey do in particular.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
I don't find a particularly difficult to grow as long
as you've got some room for them to run, and
there are some very good varieties that do here. We
added a new variety called sugar rush a couple of
years ago. The original variety was called sugar cube. It
was very sweet. Melon did very well, very productive, but
and it just kind of on the small side. So
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sugar rush is now the larger.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
And that's gonna be a candleope, right, that's gonna.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
Be a canleope. The biggest issue I ever had was
cantileap was keeping the coons out.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Of they knows find of one or two times that
I've tried to grow them that they just don't that sweet.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
Well, it depends on the stage of development. That's one
of the advantages in growing them home is you can
harvest them at different times. There mostly what you would
find in a grocery store being pulled at what's called
half slip, and that's where you actually picked the melon
up and it would break loose about halfway and you
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have to cut the rest of it if you. Cantlope
will continue to mature, but they don't get any sweeter.
So whatever sugars you have in there at the time
of harvest, that's all you get. So if you can
leave them on there until full slip and you mean
they just come off the vine, I mean you just
pick it up and it just separates from the buy.
Now you're a full slip slip and that is as
sweet as they're going to be.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Well, that's good information right there.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
What Gordon fertilizer do you recommend?
Speaker 3 (07:31):
Well, without a without a soul analysis, you don't really
know what you've got, so you don't know what you need.
So I usually give people something close to a one
one one ratio. One of my particular favorites would be
Gardener Special. It's an eleven fifteen eleven. No magic to
those numbers, as just close to a one one one
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slightly higher nitrate.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
I mean when you're when you're saying like a one
to one one or eleven fifteen eleven, And what do
those numbers actually mean? Really?
Speaker 3 (08:03):
Eleven fifteen eleven that's eleven percent night rate, eight percent
I mean fifteen percent phosphors and eleven percent potassium. So
those are your three major elements. And in that product,
unlike a field grade fertilizer, you get a minor nutrient,
and in.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Field grade fertilizer you're meant talking about some of the
old fertilizers like eight eight eight, triple thirteen, where that's
all you're getting is the big three, none of the micronutrients.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
And then typically I know Klegg's has a big brochure,
I say brochure sign on vegetable plants are teenage boys.
They require lots of food. So typically you would work
the gardener special the eleven fifteen eleven fertilizer into the
soil first when planting.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
Right, that would be your pre plant. The are you're
putting your balance down. One thing you have to remember
is phosphorus and potassium are ionically bound in the soil,
so they're gonna be there for the whole season. The
one thing and they don't remain in the soil. They
don't move freely. They do better if you'll incorporate them,
get them to a lower level. Nitrates, however, are not bound.
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They're free moving, and that's the one thing that makes
the plant green and grow. So it's something that we
supplement through the season. We don't need any more fossis
to potassium, so we pick a nitrate source like calcium
nitrate or ammonium sulfate and every two to three weeks
you just give them a supplemental side dressing of just
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a pure nitrate source. This doesn't just improve growth and color,
it also improves your fruit size.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Isn't it. And that's one of the negatives I feel of.
I'm gonna say bulk or field grade fertilizer because as
you just said, you don't need the poster some potassium,
especially if you're top dressing, because it's just gonna sit
there on the top. So if you'll do your complete
fertilizer as an incorporation before you plant, and then supplement
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with the nitrogen that moves, you're going to be much
better off.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
I feel well, yeah, And I mean if you keep
using balances all the way through the ceiling season, is
your side dressing your fosters and potassium levels begin to
build up. We want to make sure that we have
an adequate supply, but not anything excessive.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Is that why sometimes when we get those soil samples
in the fosters and potassium or through the room.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
And exactly, look, if you come in with you know,
three four hundred parts per million, that's fine. It just
means you're elevated. You have plenty on need anymore. But
when they start showing up with three or four thousand
per million, you'll get them high enough you'll actually start
tying up minor nutrients and it's possible you start showing
minor nutrient deficiencies as a result.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Yeah, and that's one of the things that if you
do come in, and Johnny has mentioned the soil samples,
which I think is extremely important for people. Well, you
don't have to do it every year, but every other year.
I don't know what does it cost ten dollars now,
I don't even remember. It changes all the time. But
you can come in. There's a little bag that you
can get and you can send it out to LSU
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and they will send you back. Bring that by. Somebody
at Clegg's Nursery will just do exactly what Johnny said.
You know, you've got high fosterhors and potassium already, let's
skip that this year. All will do is top dress
with the nitrogen. We won't worry so much about doing
a complete fertilizer. We don't have to do that all
the time, especially if you've been doing it over periods
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of time. Maybe just a fertilizer, I mean a nitrogen.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Well, you can fly out of the seat of your
pants after you've had you know, at least one. You know,
you got to get one labbers on back years ago
when it was free. We do him almost every year.
Well you're cheap, got to be two bucks, that's fine.
Five bucks, yeah, about every other year now it's like
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so I do them about every three or four years.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Johnny Taylor does have what does it called the go
fundme page for a soil samples if you want to
get in touch our special in studio guests might have
a question, can.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
You do the long we control control now? And what
would you use?
Speaker 3 (12:21):
Well, we actually have a cocktail that we use. It's
Atrogine and Protocol Weed free Zone, and we put us
a factor with this breader sticker and there's not much
in the broad leaf world that that will not control.
And as long as you're between forty and ninety degrees
and you got about eight to twelve hours no rain coming,
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that's an opportunity to use it. Right now, these cool
season weeds are all trying to finish their season, so
you see a lot more growth than you did two
months ago.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
The snow actually helped the weeds.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
I don't think it affected them all. The one thing
it did was it put all our long grasses into
deep dormancy. So these weeds were just having a field
day by themselves because there was no competition. One of
the reasons to go in even now at this point
and get rid of them is just to let the
grass come out. I mean, it's trying to break dohrmancy
and grow back out, and these weeds are offering big competition,
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so it's still an opportunity. A lot of these things
are annuals and can be controlled if you will use
a pre emergent in like late September early October. Most
of these weeds start germinating in November. They're just going
to stay small plants. They start to manifest themselves usually
January through February and in the March. So if you
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want to you know, do a pre emergent, you won't
be looking at all these weeds every morning. If you
only do post emergent control this time of the year,
you're going to see them every year. It's great for us,
good for business. But if you really want to get
them under control, you do a combination of post emergent
January through February and pre emergence in late September or
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early October.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
What is the post emergent we're using on lawns right.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
Now, Well, the post emergent would be the cocktail. There's
one particular week Poe Annual that some people know it
as Annual blue grass, a little bright green grass got.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
Troll Sea Hills, Remember the trolls when we were kids,
with a little you know, straight up hair. That's what
I always think of it as well. I guess we
could call it that got a new name now, troll grass.
But the atrogene actually controls it very well. When you
use the cocktail, the wheat resigning there work's much faster,
and so you'll see a lot of things that will
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turn yellow in you know, just five or six days,
and that little grass is going to be nice and
bright and green, and you just have to be patient.
In about ten to fourteen days, you'll see it begin
to go down. I've seen it go even longer. I
used to tell people twenty one days, just because otherwise
you get people coming in exactly like you say, So,
I used this yesterday and it's not showing up anything yet. Well,
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it's not going to be quite that quick. But no,
but the lawn weed killers that the three products, Like
you said, the weed free zone is your broad leaf
weheed killer, meaning that you know the leaf is round,
would be like a shrub leaf almost where the atrazine,
if I'm correct, is more of a grassy weed control
and some of your more winter weeds. It will be
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effective on which one of the two is better on stickers?
Is it the weed free zone?
Speaker 3 (15:30):
Yeah? Free zone works very well on and stickers.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
Right now. I noticed it in my yard. I was
out walking around this morning. It looks like easter grass,
just a real bright, little bushy green thing. And now's
the time to control that because the sticker, if I'm
not mistaken, is actually the sea seed. So once we
get the stickers sticking in our feet or our kids
feed or our pets feet, it's almost too late. Now
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are the pre emergence to do anything for those free emergence.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
Yeah, there's one, the one we call dimension. I mean,
it's something you can use in the lawn in also
in the beds. It does pretty good job on.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
Now you can't use this in gardens.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
So right, no vegetable garden, but you can use it
in flowers or you know, shrubs. You can use it
in your lawn. Not all of these pre emergers have
turf and ornamental labels on them, but the thiop here
or dimension actually works very well in both areas and
covers a very broad group of weeds. So I see
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this on the label, you would find it listed as
either spurweed or burrowed down here, we all just call
it sticker weed. But I mean I see it flowering
right now, so that means it's going to be setting
you know, seed, real soon. And once the seed are set,
even if you go in there and spread, it's still
going to drop all that seed, so it'll be waiting
for you for next year. There's another reason for the
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pre merger.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Gee that's so nice to think about. But dollar weed.
Both of the products are some what effect of both
the atrazine and the weed free zone have effect on
dollar weed. But you had mentioned briefly the use of
the surf factant. Dollar weed, which looks like a dog
green dollar or a lily pad in your yard, has
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actually like a waxy I think it's called cuticle layer,
the outer layer, so the spreader sticker actually sticks the
weed killer to the weed, especially dollar weed, so it's
absorbed right.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
Real, yeah, I mean that's part of why we use
the surfactant. There's some weeds if you didn't have the
surrect it probably wouldn't make a difference. Now in surfractans
or spreader sticker does more than just make it stick.
I mean, that's one of the things we count on
when you spray something like dollar weed or do chond
or something. It makes it spread out and stick to it,
But it also helps with absorption, and that's a real
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key when you're using these contact herbicides. We've got to
make sure that the plants absorb them well to get
good control.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Do you mean that's why when I use to use
ivory liquid, I didn't get as good a control. Well.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
When you start using soaps with some of these these chemicals,
you have to watch them. One of the things about spreadersticker,
if you look on the label it says non ionic surfacting,
it just means it won't react with your chemical. When
you start using soaps, you can get reaction with your chemicals.
You're always better off to use a spreadersticker than just
a fut.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
Doesn't the bubbling and the soap degrade the chemical if
I well, it can.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
And that's another The fractics are low foaming, so they
don't uh, they don't bubble all up when you add
that soap to it. If you do any agitation, you
can be burping bubbles all over the place.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
All right, What do well shit got Anna Claire?
Speaker 1 (18:42):
Is it time to fertilize thealons yet?
Speaker 3 (18:45):
Well? When you can mow your grass second time fertilize.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
My little rule of thumb is the second time I
mow the grass. The first time I mow the grass,
it's because Shirley wants me to, because of the leaves
and the sticks, right and the and a second time
I mow my grass, my grass is growing.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
That's right. Well that's my old turf professor used to
say that you didn't You didn't fertilize your lawn too.
You could mow it twice. Hey, you were right on target.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
I'm smarter and I thought so.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
I mean that's and there's no hurry on this. The
lawn foods are all nitrates, so I mean, these things
are just letting it go. And if there's nothing there
to grow, it's just going right out at the bottom.
Turning back to a gas get your money's worth wait
till late March early April.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
Now, a lot of the lawn and that's one of
the things going back to when we were discussing the
vegetable gardens, the bulk fertilizers. The nitrogen. The first number
in those releases extremely quickly.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
Right they're using they're using ammonium sulfate, which is just
the cheapest source of nitrate they can find right now.
But it is one hundred percent quick release, so it's
just gonna let everything go. Nothing else is retained.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
Whereas a lot of your your fertile on products, which
is what we sell at Clegs, those actually have some
coatings on the nitrogen that cause them to release over
a longer period of time, so you're not getting that
just one initial boost. But still there's a limit to
how long that is.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
Right, I mean, they'll blend them like though. We sell
a product called long Food plus Iron. It's got twenty
four percent night rate. Less than two percent of that
is in an ammoniacal form or a quick release form.
They put that in there so that you see some
quick results and there's got a nice iron contact content
to it. So you get a real rich color. But
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the rest of that night rate twenty two point three
percent is in a coded urea, so it will release
over a period of time. So I mean rainfall has
a lot to do with just how You're also right,
timpture affects it as well. Yeah, okay, so we can.
But Saint Augustine grass again, I go back to my
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teenage boy. Thing is a very heavy feeder if I'm
not that's correct, and where your centipede lawns tend to be, well,
the NH girls and not eat as much. Well that
and they don't they don't want as much either. Centipede
is one that you can't treat. You can. I treat
it like Saint Augustine. It has a lower nutrient requirement,
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and Saint Augustine you can put a lot on there
if you want to. I mean, I like I have
Saint Augustine. I like a healthy lawn. So if if.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
I remember, I'm sorry, I'm interrupting you, but I think
I remember your dad saying a healthy Saint Augustine lawn
your mowing twice a week.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
That's exactly right. And that's why not only get two
you could put up to three or four on their
year if you want them old grass twice a week.
I just want a healthy law and I don't want
to cut grass twas.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
So you have Saint Augustine and you're saying fertilized twice.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
I do twice.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
When do you do it?
Speaker 3 (21:42):
Well? Once late March early April, and then I do
another application, usually kind of midsummer July. I tend to
put on Mellorganite is my second application. It's uh lower analysis.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
I mean, it won't tell what it really is.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
I'm going to tell you what it really is. But
it's our organic alternative to the synthetics. But it releases
very slowly and you literally can't burn with it. So
it's just something that I can put down and just
kind of wait for the next rain, and it keeps
everything green and healthy and growing without me having no
gut edge twice a week.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
We're centipede. You would probably not do that application.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
Are you split it? Centipede? It requires a pound to
about it and a half a nitrate per thousand square feet.
And what that would mean if you bought a cidnipe
poo food that's about and you follow their rate that's
about a pound per thousand square feet, so that'd be
an annual feed. So you either do the one and
that's fine. I mean, they don't have to be split out,
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or you can. You can split it out. Do half
of it now and half of it in a few months.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
Real quick, before we get back to some questions that
we have, just want to promote one more time the
lsu Accenter's Garden Show this weekend. Cleggs will have a
booth out there as well. Several of the smaller nurseries
actually great little places come by see lots of local crafts.
They actually usually have a children's area that has some
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really cool demonstrations in it. Saturday from nine to four
and Sunday from nine to three. Again, that's at the
John M. Parker agg Center. That's where Pete Merrivich used
to play basketball. And actually one of the coolest things
was one time we were there setting up the show
and one of the people there actually showed me where
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the boy's locker room was, and I got to go
down and see the boy's locker room. So it was
kind of kind of neat somebody had already taken Pete's.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
Locker room off, but pretty rinky dinky, pretty rinky dinky.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
Yeah, I think my junior high was nicer than that.
But anyway, we were talking about fertilizing our lawns. I
think you had another question, Anna Claire.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
Yes, do you recommend weed and feed or separate fertilizer
weed applications?
Speaker 3 (23:58):
Okay, well, I'm not a big weeding feed proponent, and
really the problem is we control needs to go down
at one time, fertilizer needs to go down in another.
Now if your grass is if you've waited long enough,
your grass has broken dormancy, then there's really no issue.
You can still do your we control and you're fertilize
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at the same time. They actually blend these wheding feeds
with about one hundred percent slower ease to ditrate, so
it allows you to put it down early without losing
all your diitrate before the grass breaks. But I still
suggest if you're going to use use them after the
grass has actually broken dormancy and has begun to grow.
At least is the.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
Saint Oxtine weedon still atrosine.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
It's still atrosine, and it's only they call it Saint
Augustine whaeden feed. But if you look at the analysis,
it's actually a centipede analysis.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
Well, yeah, I mean it really is. And that's one
of the things that I've always been exactly like you, Johnny,
is that you're either putting one out too early or
you're putting one out too late. And actually being that
now the what is it weed out?
Speaker 3 (25:03):
Is there?
Speaker 2 (25:04):
Is it still red bag?
Speaker 3 (25:05):
Yeah, the red bag weat out.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
And that is a post emergent we killer in that
particular product. So if you're waiting into March or even
April to do a weed and feed, that's really probably
the one we would suggest. Then if you're this late, yeah,
I mean, that's a trimac product, which just beats. It's
a it's a contact herbicide. It'll cover a little broader
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group than atrazine product will uh. And it's basically the
same fertilizer as our lawn food plus iron. Just so
you're still majority slowly sit rates.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
Uh. When you're using a granulated contact herbicide, you've got
to make sure that it's going to stick on that leaf.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
And how would you do that?
Speaker 3 (25:48):
You put it out and do still on the ground.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
You mean, you don't want to take all the time
to water first.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
If you have to. Just you know, if you put
it out and look, it doesn't take a lot. We
just need to sit on there. If you put it
out completely dry and wind starts blowing, blows it all off,
it will minimize your control. That's one of the reasons
I prefer liquid applications over granules.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
We're actually the Saint Augustine wheat and feed, which again
that's a misnomber name because it can be used on
all of our grasses except for Bermuda. Don't use it
on Bermuda, but that one you actually do water in afterwards. Okay,
so many people you know that have been doing lawn
care for themselves for some years. You put out a fertilizer,
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you water well with the weed out lawn fertilizer. You
actually want moisture there first, and you don't want a
water right away.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
That's correct. You've got to give it leaving only long
enough for it to begin to absorb before you is
that after forty eight hours no, I mean twelve twenty
four will be plenty. And then if you get a
rain or if you want water in after that, that's fine. Uh.
The answerdine product and the Saint Augustin weeding feed doesn't
really make a whole lot of difference. You have more
in corporate action than contact action, so it does have
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some contact action. So if you do leave it over
there for a while, you'll notice so many things will
start turning in just a few days, but some of
them will take you a lot longer.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
I just had a question and completely forgot it. So
go ahead of Hanaclaire.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
What fire at killer do you recommend and can it
be used in a garden?
Speaker 3 (27:20):
Well, for me, probably tall Star would be by first choice.
And that's just something that you can treat an entire
area with. And that's by Finthern. If I'm not myssay,
that's by Fenthren. Now the Bifinthren chemical is a proof
of vegetables, but that product is not, so you can
buy Fintherrine products.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
I'm gonna and this isn't what is we like you
just said. I'm sorry, I'm kind of rambling here, but
you said by Finthern is in several products. But I
have heard so many people and I actually have had
some experience myself, that Telstar is by Fantheron, but it
does seem work better.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
Well, it's the carrier that they're using. You can buy
the same product, the same chemical, you don't get that
same life out of it. That's uh, that's why we
use the tass store if you're going to broadcast an area,
because it'll release that carrier releases over a long period
of time.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
So what do you mean by carrier?
Speaker 3 (28:17):
All right, that's the granule.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
That's you mean that granule isn't by Fendrin.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
Granule is the carrier. And uh so you have to
find a carrier that will hold the chemical and then
let it go. And most of the carriers that's fine.
I mean you find one that will hold the chemical,
you put it down and just let it all go.
So you get pretty good acute control, but uh, not
a lot of lasting effect with it. By Fendering, is
a pyrethroid, which just means that it is not real
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stable out in the sun and high temperature. So uh,
if it releases all it's chemical, it's gonna break down
pretty pretty quick. But uh, that's what separates the toss
star from the rest of them, and it releases that
chemical over a long period of time.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
It's kind of cool. I got an opportunity once the
way they do it, and I was I just never
really thought of it. But even with some of your fertilizers,
what you're scene is what you were talking about as
a carrier. They actually kind of run this carrier through
and almost spray the chemical on there to get it
to hold. So it's kind of cool how they do that.
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Carriers can be anything from sand, clay. I've seen them
use grain product.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
Grittiob They've actually ground up corn cobs and used it.
It's a good carrier.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
So anyway, that's interesting.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
I have another question, great, when should we use a
pre emerging on our lawns and flower beds.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
Yeah, well, we have two seasons of weeds here. We
have cool season and we have warm season, right we
so lucky, oh we are. We're actually applying warm season
pre emergence right now. It only affects seeds, so a
lot of our summertime weeds are perennials and pre emergers
aren't going to really have an effect on them. Lispides,
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it just happens to be one that's a real problem,
and if you get your pre emerging down on time,
it actually does a pretty good job with it. If
you've got things like Virginia button weed or dollar weed.
These are perennials, so your pre emergence is not gonna
have an effect on You just have to stick with
your post emerged controls. But this is like I said,
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we would be putting it down late February early March
would be targeting our warm season annuals, and late September
early October would be targeting the cool season annuals.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
Can you look, I have I live a very busy life.
If I'm doing my weed and feed today, can I
put the pre emerging out at the same time.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
Yeah, I mean we're doing one would be post emerged control.
This would be pre emerged control, So.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
I can dump the bag of fertilizer in there and
then dump the bag of pre emerging in the same hopper.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
Would suggest not they're coming out of different rates, So
you put one down and then you just feel the
hopper up and you put the other and ned right on.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
Also, you can't blend it well enough.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
Yeah, you really can't blend it now, and there's no
hurry on it. If you're using the Dimension product, which
is one that we really suggest. It is water activated,
so it doesn't start doing anything until you get a
rain on it, or you're watered in. So if you're
putting your fertilizer down there and we're not watering right away,
you can wait on the pre Mergion.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
And that particular product as we I think we actually
talked about it a little bit earlier. That can be used
in flower beds, not vegetable gardens, but flower beds, which
is something that's kind of nice about it. And the
pre Emerson is safe underneath trees. Yeah, we don't have
to worry about some of your weed and feeds in
particular are highly recommended not to use under trees. So
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this would be something to help with some weak control
if you have a shady lawn or a lot of
trees in your yard. So I think that's it. I
wish they would do something with the name. So what
is it like Weed and Grass Preventter for law? I mean,
it's a big, old long name, So it's.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
Turf and ornamental weed control.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
There you go, just come in and ask her dimension
we know this In fact, that's probably what we know
it has.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
So if you can't use that for gardens, what can
you use.
Speaker 3 (32:17):
To Like there's a tref land product that we sell
that is a proof of vegetables. And it's not just
you have to read the label on it, because some
things we use it pre plant, some things we use
it post plant, and you can't use it on absolutely everything.
So but it does cover a good a good many
of our you know, more common vegetables, and if you
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do a transplants, that can be a big issue. But
you've got to remember pre emergence or designed to stop
seed from germinating. So uh, you just have to watch
the label on that and use the product when you're
supposed to do with the vegetable that you're growing.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
And that's one thing that's important with anything you use
as a consumer. It's your responsibility to read the label
and know exactly what you're doing. We can give you
recommendations or give you little cheat sheets, but again it
is the consumer's responsibility who's using it to actually follow
those instructions. And that is one product that I haven't
even tried to remember the label on because you're right,
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there's so many different you do this a week out. No,
it's not quite that specific, but it is very specific.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
I have a few more questions.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
And I'd like to just comment, I really do appreciate Johnny.
You've done an excellent job and it's been fun doing
this with you. We only have nine more minutes we
have to do, so you're doing great.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
What is your opinion on the new weed killers vinegar and.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
Spruce, Well, do you want me to get my soapbox
and bring it over here for you?
Speaker 3 (33:46):
And they have a place in the market. The difference
when you're using those type herbicides then just really top kill.
I mean, if you're it's bringing you know, newly germinated
plants that don't really have an established root system, burn
them near the ground, that's going to be it. But
if you go to some you know, strong perennial, well
(34:09):
rooted plant and I spread it with any of those
that norly, it just burns it back to the ground
and you get regrowth out of it.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
Is it true that with the vinegar in particular, you
can have some issues with soil pH changes?
Speaker 3 (34:23):
Well, if only if you're spraying way too much of it.
It takes a lot of vinegar to do that. But
in that one little spot you might.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
Yeah, I was did some ever since. I think it
was a Super Bowl commercial where Spruce the weed killer
came out I've done a little reading on it now,
and that one, to me, sounds like it might be
a little bit more effective because it does break down
the cell tissue. So I'm excited to see how that goes.
(34:51):
These Both of these products are products that you would
use in what we want to call bare ground areas
where you're just wanting to kill off everything. That's not
something you would use out in your lawn or in
flower beds in particular, to kill out with.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
They're non selective, so it's not like a selective herbicide,
where what you want to live lives when you want
to die dies.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
There is a lot of REI remember, I'm gonna bring
up some old names, chloridanem tam, diazinonders man, what was it, kelthane.
A lot of our chemicals that we grew up with
are gone and are being replaced with some I'm gonna
(35:33):
use the word organics or new generation chemicals. We used
to have a product called diceyston.
Speaker 3 (35:40):
Yeah, diceystein was highly toxic, especially germally. It would have
armed through the skin very easily.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
So what is our replacement for that?
Speaker 3 (35:51):
A medicaloproo is the chemical that we're using now. Mediclop.
It was around when Disistein was there, but uh diceystem
was just a very cheap, very affordable systemic. But when
we lost it in amd of clop it is not,
you know, overly priced. I mean it's still a good.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
Sound, very effective certain insects.
Speaker 3 (36:13):
Yeah, but it's easy to apply. I mean you can
actually apply it as a foliage prey or the easier
way to apply it is to get one in a
drench formulation with the instructions to do so. I mean,
translocative systemics have a good life in that plant. For
most things, we're going to be one and done if
you get it down early enough. You're working on first
(36:36):
generation insects. Whatever you do, that first generation pretty much
dictaste the rest of the season for you. Don't wait
until the middle of the summertime when you're three generations
d come in here and start that process. So we
try to get an early start where the April is
a very good month for doing pre verge of drenches.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
And that's one of the products that so many people,
especially with younger sits trees. We come in and we
see the product, we see the problem once the problem
is there right where there's actually a drench, an amid
a cloper drench that we can do to prevent the
citrus leaf miners.
Speaker 3 (37:13):
Uh yeah, I mean we do have an amiddicloping product
that is labeled for actually fruits, vegetables, citrus and then
again if you can get it down early enough. People
worry about things like citrus leaf mining, which makes the
leaves all curly and ugly. Yeah, and that's it. I mean,
it just makes them ugly. If that's the worst thing
you get, you probably still get a crop out of it.
(37:35):
But it's part of our landscape, so we don't want
ugly looking plants in them. But we try to put
that down and get it in there before the first
generation because they can have eight, nine, ten generations in
a season, so we try to break the cycle right
up front.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
Yeah, Spinosa, how do you are you? Does Spinosa have
a vegetable label?
Speaker 1 (37:55):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (37:56):
Yeah, Spinosa is. I mean, it's a biological controls not toxic,
and it's something we can use in fruits and vegetables.
It is also a control for citrus leaf mind that
we were just talking about, But you have to spray
it several times because once the leaf binder gets into
the leaf, you can't get to it, so we have
to keep it on there. I spraying enough times to
(38:16):
catch you going in.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
But isn't there a limit to the number of times
we can spray?
Speaker 3 (38:21):
There is? So? Yeah, I mean, but if you do
three applications, usually in the front part of the season,
they become active when you get your first flush of
new growth in the spring town that usually follows flowering.
So that's a good trigger to start your sprain.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
Don't they They actually will only get into new growth.
They can't burrow into the old growth.
Speaker 3 (38:43):
Yeah, they're going to go after that soft tissue. Now
I can mess. I mean they're lazy insects.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
Absolutely anything else new and exciting that it's come into Cleggs.
I know y'all just recently got the kalladium bulbs.
Speaker 3 (38:58):
Yes we did.
Speaker 2 (38:59):
And what is the deal with blood meal on kalading.
Speaker 3 (39:03):
Well, I mean blood meal is just a to me,
a trickle feed nitrate source. It's a twelve zero zero
but it's blood meal has to break down to release
its nutrients, so and you can't burn with it. I
mean you can dig the holes, drop the blood meal,
and then put the bowl bright on top of it
covered up, it's just going to release very slowly. Normally
you'll get larger leaves with it, more vibrant color.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
That's That's the one thing I've always noticed is whenever
I've used pansies or another plant that is effected, but
with kaladiums, it just seems like the color of the
leaf is so much brighter. Yeah, I'm quite understand that,
but that's not me to question. But vegetable plants pretty
pretty good supply.
Speaker 3 (39:43):
Oh yeah, I mean we started getting vegetables pretty heavy
starting about mid February, and real heavy starting about the
first of March. So between now and May you can
find most varieties that you're looking for, as long tomatoes okay.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
To go on the ground.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
If you're willing to cover them. I wait, because I
don't like covering things, and worse, I don't like replacing things,
so I tend to wait.
Speaker 2 (40:09):
If that is that why you're not doing soil samples anymore,
I'm cheap, that's right.
Speaker 3 (40:16):
No, I'll probably put most stuff and just from what
I can see right now. Yeah, my target date of
about the fifteenth of March will will go. If you
look at the long term forecast and you see a
couple of days or nights that are gonna be down
in the mid forties, you put a ten to fifteen
mile an hour wind behind that, it is just as
bad as a frost.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
So yeah, of course it takes that ground heat out.
Speaker 3 (40:39):
Yeah, if you got them in the little the cells
on those young plants are very thin and it'll dry
them out. It dehydrates them just like a frost does.
So if we're going to get that there's windy days,
even though it's not going to be a frost, just
put a bucket over them protected from that wind. Any
potatoes left, Yeah, we're still just a few. And if
you hurry, we can potatoes in make a pretty good crop.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
They might be a little small, but you can plant potatoes. Again,
this has been a pre recorder show. We appreciate everybody listening,
and you can always listen to our podcasts. I think
we have about two years of podcasts up if you
want to go back to those. We're promoting the twenty
third Annual Lawn and Garden ag Center Garden Shows Saturday,
(41:22):
March eighth, nine to four, Sunday March ninth, nine to three.
Kleggs Shirley and I will be there. There may be
a couple special guests in our booth throughout the weekend,
so you might want to stop by and see who
those are. You've been listening to news radio eleven fifty
wjbo's Lawn and Garden Show. We are Clegg's Nursery. We
have four locations in the Greater Baton Rouge area. If sir,
(41:45):
you come by a visit with us, bring your soil
samples by and we'll decipher what all those numbers mean
for you. Again. You've been listening to news radio eleven
to fifty wjbo's Lawn and Garden Show. We'll talk to
you next Saturday.
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