September 6, 2025 • 45 mins
We're talking fall gardening this week on the WJBO Lawn & Garden Show with Butch from Clegg's Nursery and special guest Johnny Naylor!
What's good bed prep? How do you get good drainage? Fertilzer, organic supplements, keeping animals out, micro-irrigation, what you should be planting - get a run-down on everything you need to know for this time of year!
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What's good bed prep? How do you get good drainage? Fertilzer, organic supplements, keeping animals out, micro-irrigation, what you should be planting - get a run-down on everything you need to know for this time of year!
If you'd like to be part of the WJBO Lawn & Garden Show, give us a call Saturday mornings between 8 and 9 am by calling (225) 499-9526 - that's 499-WJBO! If you're listening on our free iHeartRadio app, you can also leave us a message by tapping the red Talkback Mic button!
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Good Saturday morning, and welcome to the WGBO Lawn and
Garden Show, brought to you by Clegg's Nursery.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Good morning, Baton Rouge, and welcome to news radio eleven
to fifty wjbo's Lawn and Garden Show. Unfortunately, this is
a pre recorded show, so we will not be taking
phone calls. But if you are watching on some type
of podcast, there is a callback Mike that you can
hit and ask a question and we will get to
(00:30):
that question next weekend. Well, no, it would be the
weekend after this weekend, because this is Saturday. Anyway. My
name is BUTCHERWS. I am with Clegg's Nursery and with
me a very very very special guest, Johnny Naylor. Good morning,
mister Naylor, Good morning, good morning, good morning. Since I'm
(00:54):
not in the store very much except as a customer,
what is going on at Clegg's Nursery.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Well, after a very warm, slow August, September has come
around and he will pick it up.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Oh, and I didn't mean to interrupt you. I apologize
for that, but I was so well, my wife and
I were both so excited this morning. We got up,
we went to take the dogs out and in the
temperature this morning, the beginning was a six. How about
that upper sixties in what is it? September something, September third,
(01:27):
September third.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
This is what we always look forward to that first morning.
It's got a little dry, yeah, a little crispy sixty anything.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Yep. If I hadn't been coming in on the interstate,
I might even roll my window down, But no telling
what would happen if you're driving on the interstate here
with the window down. Anyway, Again, I apologize this is
a pre recorded show, so we will not be taking
phone calls, but again you can use the callback Mike
on the podcast if you're listening or watching that way,
(01:57):
yes you can't be watching. But anyway, a lot going
on actually, and a lot of prep needs to be
going on right now. People need to be thinking fall gardens.
If I'm not mistaken, it's time. What do you use
suggest as far as bed preparation if it's kind of
a little bit early to be planting some of the vegetables,
(02:21):
But I always want to get the bed prepped ahead
of time. I think, especially if you're using a lot
of organic material.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Well that and if you're incorporating fertilizes, which always a
good idea to get that incorporated and let it sit
for a week or so before you plan. But I
mean we're right on time for a number of vegetables.
Y'all will have to pardon me. I'm having a sinus issue.
So I got that sexy voice this morning?
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Is that what that is?
Speaker 1 (02:50):
I don't know about that anyway. Yeah, good bed prep
is important. If you do good bed prep, everything that
you play will do so much better.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
When you're saying good bed prep, what exactly are we
trying to get people to do good drainage?
Speaker 1 (03:09):
It's good internal drainage.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
You can always add water, but you can't take it away.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
That's exactly right. I mean, we live in an area
that has a poorly drained soil and an awful lot
of rainfall, So everything we do is prepping to be
able to have good internal drainage get rid of the
excess water.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
One of the best ways to do that, I've done
that at my house and I know you have too,
is to actually use raised gardens. But if you're rowe
gardening or it's to do that, you're wanting to incorporate
organic material.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
Well, yeah, I mean if you're going to use the look.
We live on a clay bluff. So if you're going
to use the natural soil, which is fine, it works
better if you'll incorporate organic matter into it, just to
keep that clay from packing down.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
So bad for one thing, and most of what we
sell is organic material. And there's when we're talking about
what at this point in the conversation, you're talking about
a bulk material, A coarser material, say like a decomposed
pine bark, decomposed hardwood mulches that will actually help physically
(04:21):
break your clay ions so that they're not a clay pot.
So you want something coarse to break that soil up.
If I'm not mistaken, well.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
Sure, I mean like garden soils are. We actually have
a raised bed blow on that mix, and it's a
little finer texture than the garden soil is. But there
there's still gonna be bark finds and things in there
that will keep it from once you incorporate it, keep
it from just packing right back down. Peat moss, I
(04:53):
mean it makes the soil fluffy, so it keeps it
from packing down over a peereriod of time.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
We probably want to watch the amount of peat moss.
We use though, because peat peat can hold some moisture
so well it can.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
In fact, that's to your advantage at first if you're
using even the raised bed blend right at first, the
water just falls through it.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
So it is what I call a dry blend, which
it is.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
The peat moss will help retain some moisture during that period,
but it also keeps it from packing down. Is that
all those particles break down and they become humid and
they get smaller, so they begin to pack and good
stuff still holds a lot of nutrient, good microbial action.
The peat just keeps it from packing down quite so bad.
(05:47):
If you don't get in the boxes or beds and
walk in there, you'll come packt it down. But if
you stay out of there, then it will stay like
I say, sort of fluffy.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
I like that fluffy. If I understand what you're saying,
is this is something you really want to try to do.
If you're changing out spring fall, do it twice a year,
or if you at least once a year, you want
to get in and to use your word fluff at some.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
Yeah, I mean we have two, you know seasons here,
so even between seasons from the spring crop to the
fall crop. I still get in there and I till it.
I have a little Mannis tiller, which is wonderful, and
so I just run back through there and basically all
I'm doing is incorporating more fertilizer and fluffing it back up.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
I want to get back to that for just a second.
We talked about the course, the fines that you put
into actually physically break it up, but there's also other
organic materials that will help with that but also add
more nutrients. Be chicken manure, one of my favorites, cow manure.
(07:00):
You and I both have been a huge fan of
the alfalfa humde yes. These are all organic materials that
help with that breakup, but they also will add nutrients
into it into the soil.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Well and it increases your microbial count. So any additional
fertilizer you add to it is more available because.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Of that, because the little microbs are what actually attack
and take the fertilizer or make the fertilizer available.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
They make it available.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
You were mentioning what I wanted to get back to
was incorporating what when you're dealing with a fertilizer, when
you're incorporating it.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
What are you doing, Well, you're trying to get it
to a lower level rather than just throwing it on top.
Even if you just rake it in, I'm tilling and end,
so I'm getting it to a little bit lower level.
Your phosphors and potassium are just not that any movie.
I mean, so instead of just being bound up in
surface soil, you try to get it to a lower
level in the root zone. So, uh, when you have
(08:00):
an opportunity to incorporated, if you just gotta have to
come back in side dress, that's fine. Normally, if we
get a good balance incorporated, which would be all three
elements posph your nitrate, fosterhors, and potassium, the phosphors and
potassium are going to be retained, so that's something that's measurable.
And retaining the salt the one thing that makes those
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plants green and grow. Your nitrates are not retained.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
They are water soluble, so they move.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Well yeah, I mean over a period of time they'll
leach out or they'll turn back to a gas. So
that's just something we have to come back in and
supplement with.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
So the fertilizer that at Clegg's we recommend is what
we call gardener Special. It's an eleven fifteen eleven, So
that would be the fertilizer that you would incorporate when
you're fluffy in your garden.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Sure, I mean that's eleven fifteen eleven. There's no magic
to those numbers, but it's about a one on one ratios.
You've run us all analysis and we know exactly what
your fossil tassium levels are. It's always a good choice.
And there's several nitrate sources you can come back and use.
A lot of people use calcium nitrate, and.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
That would be more as a top dress once we're growing, right.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
I mean, it's just gonna be something we supplement. I mean,
you have enough nitrate to get everything started. So I
mean after we've incorporated, you've got everything planted. In a
few weeks, we'll start coming back and side dressing. One
of the triggers used to be first flower. So I
mean if you growing tomatoes or peppered or squash cucomers,
(09:36):
when you begin to flower, that's a good trigger to
put out on your first side dressing and nitrate.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
But if I wait for first flower on broccoli in
my broccoli done.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
All right? Well, we have some exceptions. As we go
into the fall crops, We're not gonna wait on first flower.
We're just gonna wait on establishment.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
What do you what would you say? Maybe two three
weeks after planting weeks usually is.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
For me as my truth is, I'm kind of watching
for rains.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Uh I can catch that rain, azy gardener comes out.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
If I don't get it moved in, then I feel
like I have to go back in and watered in.
So if I can catch that rain, you know, I'm
just I keep a record when I put it down
because I've reached that age. I can't remember a week.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
I'm sorry, what are we talking about?
Speaker 1 (10:27):
So? Uh yeah, I mean in two or three weeks,
I'm looking for the rain. If I don't get it,
I'm just gonnapply water again, and I will do broccoli
at least three times.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
One thing about broccoli, it's your coal crops.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
About that. You're talking broccoli, califlyer.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Brussels, sprouce, all that. The broccoli. Even after you take
main heads, you're gonna get lateral growth. So that's one
more opportunity after you have harvested the main head, is
to go in there and hit it again with some
more night so that you push all that lateral growth
out and you get good size to it.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Yeah, and actually I like the side shoots better because
you don't have to cut them up. But yeah, there's
a lot to that. The incorporation of your complete fertilizer
is important because, like Johnny said, you want to get
the phosphorus and the potassium down to the root system
so that it can be taken up. And the top
dressing of the nitrogen because it's either leached out or
(11:27):
turns back to gas whatever. It's important, especially I think
in the cold cross because you are doing so much
vegetative growth. You know, look at your broccoli leaf as
compared to a tomato leaf. There's a lot more size there,
so it takes more nutrients to develop that leaf. For sure.
Are there any organic supplements that you can use as
(11:52):
opposed to say a calcium nitrate.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
Sure, there are a lot of good organic nitrate sources.
The drawback is are really slow, so if you were
trying to correct a nitrate deficiency, they're just slow to
do that. If you do running that problem. Actually the
best one would be fishy molt. It would be the
(12:16):
quickest nitrate release in the organic market.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Can we call fish emulsion the organic miracle growth.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
More or less is your organic miracle growth. Blood meal
is excellent, but to me, it's like a trickle feed.
It's just very slow to release. The organics have to
break down and release their nutrients. Cotton Seed meal is
another one that's six percent nitrate is the same thing.
It just takes a period of time. As it does
break down, it releases over a longer period of time,
(12:46):
so you really don't have to do it as frequently.
But like I say, if you show a nitrate deficiency something,
if you rework a bed or you build a new
bed out of these things, you've got material in there.
It's going to start rapidly breaking down in there.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
You can tie nitrogen up.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Sure, they got to take the available nitrates to satisfy
that process. So you do need to supplement something. So
if you go plant and everything starts turning yellow, I mean,
it's just showing your nitrogen efficiency. If you want to
do it organically, get you some fission moss.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
My name is BUTCHERWS and with me is my very
very special guest, Johnny Naylor from Clegg's Nursery. Good morning,
once again, Good morning, and we are a pre recorded
show this Saturday morning, so unfortunately you cannot call. You
can hit the call back button if you're listening on
a podcast, send us a question. We will get to
it next week, well a week from Saturday. So anyway,
(13:40):
we first I had a lot of information in that
first segment on garden soil prep. Uh when jokingly teased
when we went to the break there that we're talking
about fishy maulsion, which is an organic nitrogen source that
can be absorbed relatively quickly both through the foliage and
through the root system of vegetable or of any type
(14:03):
of plant. And I jokingly said that if you use it,
you may get all the neighborhood cats. What what deterrence
do we have at Clegg's to help keep pests? And
you know, I was joking with the cats, but you know,
I'm having a huge issue with rabbits. And I know
(14:25):
high velocity lead, but we can't really do high velocity lead.
Are there decent, respectable functional.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Well, it depends on the animal. I've had limited success
over the years. I used to have cat neighbor cats.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
That would.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
Come visit me.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
I'm very nicely put I.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Mean all of a sudden new litter box idea. So,
and I did find one or two repellents at work. Actually,
what I bought an electronic deterrent in that actually worked.
I bought it to keep squirrels out. It did not
work on squirrels, Bet it worked fine on cat cats.
Rabbits are real issue, are repellents, but it depends on
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the individual animals. Some of them are repelled by some
of them don't pay any attention to it. So physical
barrier has always been the best bet.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
So I got to build Shirley the Chicken kt thanks
a lot.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
About three foot high with a small mesh because those
little bitty young rabbits can get through a two by
four welded wire and a heartbeat.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
But yeah, so physical barriers. If you are having that issue,
what about squirrels. Won't they just hop over the top?
Speaker 1 (15:44):
Yeah, squirrels, Now that's I have been using a netting.
It's only about eighteen to twenty four inches high, but
it's all curled up right on the edges, and they
don't like that on their feet, so they won't cross it.
But I put it up just high enough so that
(16:05):
they couldn't jump over it and get in and so
far it's worked pretty well.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
I might have to stop by and look at that.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
It's interesting. I did it that way so I could
still get in there and harvest and you know, maintain
do things that I need to do without having to
pull netting off. So but the just piling that netting
up all the way around it. They just don't want
to cross it.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
Cool. Is there any truth to the matter of blood
meal could be a deterrent?
Speaker 1 (16:38):
Well?
Speaker 2 (16:38):
There, yeah, And that depends on the animal.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
Yeah, I mean some things are repelled by it. Somehow
are actually attracted to it.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
Oh great.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
I can remember using blood meal years ago, and I
was using it as a fertilizer more than anything. And
if it you know, if it would repel any animals,
you know, just land. But there was a little dog
about two doors down that would come and just was
attracted to that blood meal. Every place I put it,
(17:08):
that dog was digging it up.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Oh man, So don't do blood mill. That's what we're
hearing on that, not for that dog, I am hearing.
And we had a little discussion before we got on
the air that we're probably going to have. We normally
have a dry fall but we might be a little
bit dryer this fall. And one of the things that
(17:30):
we've discussed many times on the show, and I think
is important, is if you're running a dry if you're dry,
let's just put it that way. You don't want to
go out like every third day and run a sprinkler
for an hour and a half and get it all
soaked up and then wait six days and do the
whole thing. Fluxual moisture fluctuations like that can be harmful
(17:55):
to all plant material, but especially when we're dealing with
garden plants. I know it took you many, many years
to convince me to finally do this, but you do
a micro irrigation system in your garden. If I'm not mistaken, well,
I've got a drip system.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
Driplight is just real easy to use. I mean, it
applies water without getting water on the foliage, and it's
something that I can adjust the time on it is
the season changes, so I'm trying to maintain just a
level of moisture. And it's all mulched, so it's all
unmolt so I'm not losing a lot of moisture to evaporation.
(18:35):
It's all through plant use. So even when it gets
real hot, you know, I might even start running it
twice a day in the hottest part of the summertime.
If we're having a dry period and if we get
some good rains, I just go turn it off and
I wait until moisture level drops again, not letting it
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to the point where I'm having to start over and
rehydrate everything, and just watch your level drops, turn it
back on and try and maintain that same level of moisture.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Well, which which you just said makes a lot of sense.
Think about a sponge. If you keep that sponge moist
it's very easy to get extra moisture into it. You
can squeeze some of it. But if you let a
sponge dry out, try getting water back into that sponge
can be difficult. So it is important to try and
maintain some level of moisture. And when you're talking about
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the drip tubing in your garden, that's basically what it
looks like is a tube with holes in it.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
That's all it is. You. I mean, you can get it.
It's just a quarter inch tube and its kind of
mitters in it, and you can get them either six
inches apart or twelve inches apart, and so I mean
you have to adjust according to your flow rate. The
six inch doesn't allow you to run it for long distances.
(19:55):
I mean the twelve inch you can run a single
run about thirty eight feet. Six inch you only about
half that about twenty feet. But you can run a
bunch of them just to keep your flow rate the
same from beginning to the end. You can only run
them at you know, a certain distance. So in small
(20:15):
home gardens though, that works very well.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Yeah. What I did was I have what basically I
called a trunk line, but it's a tubing that I
actually hooked to the faucet I had, just like you.
I have a timer on it, and then I have
it to I'm counting real quick, four different beds, and
I actually stepped up and I have a control valve
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going to each bed. So if I only want to
run one bed, I can shut the other ones off
and all. But it's so simple. You just run the
trunk tubing out in there, you close the end of
that off, poked the hole in. I did run mine.
We discussed that. I ran it as a loop, so
it puts water in both ends. Being that I'm in
a raised bed, just like you. You know, I think
(21:02):
my longest run was twenty five thirty feet, But you know,
which is fine with the twelve inch spacing. Typically, I
guess if you're doing a row, if you're row gardening,
maybe a six inch spacing would be more beneficial to you,
just especially like if you're running a row of carrots
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or running a row of lettuce, where your plants are
going to be closer together. But typically what I'm growing
is you know, the coal crops, like we talked about
the broccoli, the cabbage and cauliflowers. So the twelve inch
spacing tends to work out better for me.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
Well, yeah, I mean twelve inches fine. It's really a
flow rate. Just if you own six inch spacing, you
just don't have to run it as long. But it
you know, it's not like we don't have the time.
So the twelve eh spacing fine. If you were to
put that on dry ground and look at it after
the thing runs, it looks like there's just a little
bit of water about the size of a quarter at
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each one of those little spaces, but it fills if
you start sticking your fingers down in there. You can
tell it just through capillary action has now moved from
one spot to the other and it's water and everything.
You just have to run it long enough to get
that action.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
Yeah, it's almost like a reverse triangle right at the surface.
It's small, but it kind of spreads. It spreads out underneath. Okay,
don't put you on the spot here. How do you
grow carrots in Louisiana.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
Well raised rose? I mean carrots can be grown here.
For one thing, you have to pick a length of
carrots you can grow because of our soil type. If
you try to grow a full length character to me
that it would be a grocery store carre at nine
or ten inch carrot. You ain't gonna do it unless
(22:48):
you've got well raised rose or you know these deep
boxes you could grow that. If it hits our clay base,
they'll split. So that's why the most popular carrots that
we sell or considered mid length danvers is a mid
length nantes is uh I grow scarl it nanties. It's
(23:12):
and it's only because of its shape. It's a middle
length carrot. It's very easy for me to grow in
these boxes. But it's like a cylinder. It's the same
size all the way down. And then it just comes
to a blunt point. And since I use carrots mostly
for cooking, when I cut them up, they're all the
same size instead of a traditional shape, which is you know,
big at the top and then grows goes down to
(23:33):
a point. And so they're all different sizes what I
chop them up, but that middlength are just easier to grow. Here.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
One of the things that I always promote on the
radio is your rainbow blend. With kids, it's kind of neat.
You got a purple carried or a yellow carricteror an
orange chrritter or a red carrot, and when the kids
pull them that it's kind of like an Easter egg
hunt for vegetables. Sure it's great, but yeah, uh Again,
this is a pre corded show, so unfortunately you cannot
(24:03):
call in today. You can hit the talk back button
and leave a question that we will get to at
some point if you're listening to us on a podcast.
I don't have enough. The producer just said something into
my ear that I had to respond to again. Micro irrigation,
you want to keep a consistent moisture, run it depending
(24:25):
on the weather, temperatures, rainfall, you know, maybe every other day.
You know, in the summer, you're going probably like you said,
maybe doing it twice a day, just to make sure
we maintain a good even moisture. Put a timer on it.
That way, if you go on vacation, leave for a
weekend or whatever, and it needs to run, you can
set that tim or timers have gotten to be relatively
(24:46):
inexpensive I think for what they do for you.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
They have and they've gotten better. The first time is
that we got we get a bunch of them that
would come back. You know, the worst thing in the
world is you're gonna go on vacation. You get this timer,
and uh, you know it works pretty well right up front.
So you're counting on this thing to work. And either
(25:09):
it works and it rains every day that you're gone, yes,
or it decides not to rain and it doesn't work
and you come back and everything's fried.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
That sounds like you might have had that experience I have.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
But you know, fortunately the timers are a lot better,
and they are they're a lot more affordable than they
worry for.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
We've had some I think excellent discussion about vegetable gardening.
But one of the things that we really haven't hit on.
We've kind of glossed over them a couple of times.
What are the most popular or what should people be
planting in their fall garden at this point, I know
top of your list is tomato plants.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
Well, if you haven't planned them, you still got a
couple of weeks to get me and tomatoes are real.
If you crop, I'll plant four to six plants, and
if I make anything fine, and I don't, then I
hadn't wasted a whole lot of space. It used to
be I would say you would get one good year
in five. That seemed to be the average. We've actually
(26:13):
done a little bit of the last few years.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
So there's a couple things to me working. You know,
even with peppers, if you can, the best way to
do peppers, and you taught me this many years ago,
is do everything you can to get your spring peppers
through to the fall, and that's when you're gonna get
your best pepper crop. But the issue so many people
and I've had with fall tomatoes is a if you're
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plantinum this late into the season, by the time you
starting to get tomatoes, our day length is shortened up.
You really have difficulty ripening.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
Well, it takes longer. Yeah, I mean we're going in
the other direction, that's in the spring crop, so temperatures
are dropping and the days are getting shorter, so it
takes longer and long good form to ripen. It seems
like just about every year I I get to the
point where I've got a lot of fruits set on there,
you get a lot of brown paper bags and there's
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you know, when here comes the first good freeze. I
you know, if it's just a frost, I'll go throw
a cloth or something over them just to keep them,
keep the frost off of them. But I mean it's
gonna drop down in the twenties. That's it. I mean,
the plants are done. You know, a sheet's not gonna
help them. So I just go pick them. And sometimes
there'll be forty fifty sixty green tomato sitting on the counter.
But they eventually ripe, and very seldom do I just
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you know, do they just rot and go away. Most
of them will ripe it over a period of time,
So I mean I found it worth doing. We do
have some new varieties to try this year. I actually
grew them in the springtime, two of them, and did
very well. One called Thunderbird and one called Red Bounty.
And these are wonderful tomato. It's really nice. Their heat sets,
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so I mean you can plan them, you know, even earlier.
Uh in those first fruits, those first flowers will set.
But we're gonna try and this fall, I think they're
gonna do real well, or as well as anything's gonna do. Uh.
There is Red Bounty and Thunderbird. That's kind of strange.
There's one more that we have added in. I haven't
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grown it yet. I'm growing at this fall. I've already
got them planning, called red snapper. I didn't pick that
one right way. I had sounded too much like a fish,
so I picked a red Bounty instead of red snapper first.
But uh, we now have red snapper, and so I'm
gonna grow at this fall. We're gonna see how well
it does.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Cool. What other vegetables should they be thinking about planting
this at this time?
Speaker 1 (28:38):
Well, it's time for your co crops, So I mean, broccoli, cabbage,
what's your favorite broccoli? If I just had to pick one,
especially for home gardens, it'd be green Magic. And it
just comes in early, earlier than most of them. Uh,
and it gives you good lateral growth. I've grown a
number of broccolis over the last few years and they've
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all done well. Diplomat was another one that's done well.
But green Magic is just for people who used to
like pac Man, which has been out of production now
about five years. Green Magic was the best replacement for that.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
Was there is there one called Destiny.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Yeah. Destiny was actually the variety that Sicata sid who
was the developer of pac Men. That was their replacement,
and that was more for the commercial market. Little tighter
plant so the farmers could put more in a row. Uh,
And they weren't that interested in lateral growth. They just
wanted you know, heads for bunch cut. So and it's
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been okay. It doesn't give you as much lateral growth
as some of the other varieties do, but it.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
Was typically a farmers once he cuts that top one,
oh yeah, plants and plant something else.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
It's gol and so you know, that's the one nice
thing about brock It's just you know, you get that
extra kick later on your cauliflower, cabbage.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
You know, I mean just growing coliflower here, I've had
some difficulty with that.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
Well. And look and we have a new califlower variety
this year. It's gonna be available called Amazing. I've grown
some other ones. Twister was another one that said, these
are good varieties that are self blanching. That doesn't mean
it doesn't mean it's gonna go throw itself in hot water. Uh,
it's where you get covertly used to protect the flower.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
They keep it white.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
To keep it white. And look, I mean if you
grow varieties and the curds were exposed to the sunlight,
you know you're gonna get a little purple spots or
little you know, black spots in there, and they're gonna
kind of be an off color, is kind of a
yellowishitty color. And they're still edible. It's just not considered
marketable and it's not nearly as cool looking. So I
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give a bunch of them a way, so I want
it to look good when I get it away. So
I have these new varieties. You know, those kurds gets
pretty nice sized before they actually start spreading those leaves apart.
And then I'll go in and I will pull the
big leaves around it in time up at the top,
just to protect that head. And they're only going to
be on there for another week or two and they're
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coming out.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
Oh cool, so amazing is the amazing.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
It's gonna be another one that's has good wrapper leaves.
There's still some good ones out there. We lost Candid Charm,
which was one of my favorites, and that's this is
going to be a replacement for Candid Charm.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
That was an oldie but goodie for sure. Uh. When
I go by Cleggs, and when I worked at Cleggs
and before that at Naylor's, I think I think at
the most we had sixteen varieties of cabbage one point.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
Well, yeah, we still have a bunch there, and their
new varieties get introduced every year. So every year I'm
growing more and more new varieties of cabbage.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
And so much of that is and you know, Clegg's
does the best they can. As far as signage goes,
A lot of it is more headsize difference than anything else,
isn't it.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
It is our earliness. And then you have you know shapes,
I mean they're going to be either round or pointed
or flat, and just they're working on you know, earlier varieties.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
By earlier you mean quicker, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
They'll develop quicker. I mean the old varieties. The older
open polyated varieties. A lot of them were you know,
eighty ninety one hundred days. Now we have varieties already
and you know sixty days.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
Wow of seeds. I mean you can do let us
from plants or seeds. What others would we be looking
at doing from seed?
Speaker 1 (33:03):
I mean it's time for doing some of your basics
mustard and turnips, collars. We're doing the cabbage and the
lettuce seeds. We're just getting to the point where we
can actually do those. You have to wait for salt
temperatures to drop a little bit, and they have beats, radishes.
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I tend to wait a little later to do some
of those root crops. They if you have real high
soil temperatures and even high ambient temperatures when they're trying
to mature, that's one of the reasons you'll get not
good you know, size on your bottom to you just
get these crawny little things. Some of that can be nutrients,
some of it's spacing, but it's some of it's also temperature.
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So if you delay those root crops a little bit,
you may find you you get a.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
Better crop to rest. You know, I did not realize
that I'll have to write that one down. I have
just totally and completely lost my train of thought, which
I normally do. It's quite often. But you were talking
about nutrient deficiencies in some of the root crops and
getting all top and not bottom. Isn't that a boron deficiency? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (34:09):
It could be associated with boron?
Speaker 2 (34:11):
And we have boron? Is that a micro micro nutrient
that is in most fertilizers or would we need something special?
Speaker 1 (34:19):
Well, I have found that they're beginning to add more
and more fertilizers in the minor nutrient packages are putting
boron in. There is one of them, if not actually
twenty mule team. Borax is a good uh you know,
I mean Virginia buying like a five pound box of
this stuff and you know for a home regard and
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you're going to use a tablespoon probably less probably a teaspoon.
But or you can buy Essential Minor Nutrients, which is
a little package of just that.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
And it has that that particular product has a lot
more of the micronutrients as opposed to the it does.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
Yeah, the borax would just be going to boron. I
use as amite. As amite is an excellent for you
know other miners in certain minerals that we tend to lack.
So you know, I'll put that down about every other
year where I'm growing like turnips, and I don't do
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a lot of beats and rashes, but I do some
of them, especially if there's any new varieties I want
to try. But it helps.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
That's what I tell people, and I strongly believe this
and I know it to be true. Is the seed
wall typically it's going to be the back wall at
all the locations. Is Johnny Naylor's seeds? Very proud of
that wall, and you've grown nine percent of what's on
that wall? Yeah, pretty good because there's probably something there. Yeah,
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I haven't gotten to yet, or.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
Well, new varieties, and there's some corn varieties that I
think we have two corn varieties I hadn't tried yet,
but that's much I hadn't grown.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
Anyway, if you are a vegetable gardener and have not
been by any of the Klegg's location, it's worth a
trip just to see Johnny's seed walls. Something that glad
that Tom insisted we put your name well seeds.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
I want you to know that was not my choice.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
I know that, but again a lot of the vegetable crops.
I actually went by the don Mar location yesterday I
had to do something in that area of town, and
notice that great, great selection of all your fall transplants.
Real quick, because I've got a couple other things I
really want to get to. But when you're doing your
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small seeds, like your carrots, your radishes, I think, lettuce
turn ups, those type things, direct seeding is the way
to go. But when you're dealing with some of your broccoli, cabbage, cauliflowers,
do you recommend direct seeding or do you if you
want to go from seed, I recomm and transplants personally,
or do you recommend starting them in a tray?
Speaker 1 (37:06):
Well, yeah, I mean as opposed to going in direct
seating them in the garden. It's too small a seed.
And truth is, all the good Broccolian cauliflower cabbage varieties
are expensive, so you can't just throw a whole bunch
of seed.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
Out there like you can't with carrots.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
So you can direct seed. But if you're going to
do that, normally we would start earlier. So now you're
in there July August, which is fine because it's developing
a top and a root at the same time, so
there's no interruption like you would get when you go
put your transplants out there. It's just it's tough weather
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conditions and if you I mean, there's small seeds, so
they have to be planning very shallow. If you get
them too deep, you're not going to see them. So
you know, I mean, if you want.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
To do that, come get the transplants.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
You can do it, but you just literally you go
plant two or three seeds at the spacing that you
you know, you want to grow your mature plants, and
then you go back and uh, and then the bugs
are awful on them, on those uh, those emerging that
emerging foliage.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
Just it's it's tough on in the small little root
system if they get at least a little bit dry.
Speaker 1 (38:23):
I've just found this a whole lot easier to come
back in, you know, uh, the latter part of August,
starting first part of September, and start doing my transplants.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
To jump subjects here again, if anybody interested in vegetable gardens,
come back and listen to this show. Several times. Johnny's
put out a lot of great information there. One of them,
my pet peeves, I won't ask for the soapbox on this.
But is the name of the product window riser. Why
don't they call it fallarizer.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
Well, you're actually getting the plants ready for winter.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
Right, But now you're I'm correct, and now is the
time to do it. It is.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
I mean we're putting the plant the fertilizer down in fall.
This is a high potassium feed. This is a put
them to bed fertilizer. This is not wake them up
and make them grow stuff. So and because your potassium
is actually retaining soils, we try to get it down
before they start drawing on it. So winter riser season
would be saved from about mid August to mid November.
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Prime time would probably be first to September to about
mid October.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
You want your grass growing when you put it out.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
Yeah, I mean they need to be able to use it.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
Then.
Speaker 1 (39:37):
That's why there is some nitrate added to this. It's
a high potassium feed with a small amount of nitrate.
It just makes the potassium work more or less so for.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
The plant to eat the potassium or to take it up.
Speaker 1 (39:49):
Sure it needs to be, but you're not trying to
produce any more soft tissue growth, which is you've done
all summer long, and you're now trying to take that
soft isssue growth and harden it off and get it
ready for for wintertime. Especially root systems. That's what potassium does.
Potassium is not really what promotes root growth, it's what
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hardens off your roots. It's what makes you a healthy
roots system. And so we're trying to get these plants
ready before they go down into the wintertime, so when
they come out in the springtime, you can tell there,
oh absolutely, you can tell the difference between those that had,
you know, access to the potassium and those that didn't
during the after the winter months.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
And one of the I'm usually not a blended fertilizer,
you know, used to be we had fertilizers with fungicides in,
a fertilizer with insect control in it, you know all.
We actually had for a while one that had all
three in it. But the one blended product that I
really recommend is the winter Riser with the weed prevent.
Speaker 1 (40:51):
Absolutely for years, people would come in and because it's
a timing issue, they would be putting down their winter
Rise and then they would go over and bag of Dimension,
which is your pre emergent and put it down the
same thing. Most of the winter weeds people are looking
at in like January and February, and they're coming in
from post emerged controls could have been prevented if they
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had put these pre.
Speaker 2 (41:15):
Emergents down their annuals.
Speaker 1 (41:17):
Yeah, they're annuals so and they were controlled by Dimension
does a very good job on them. So Yeah, instead
of having it buy two different products, you can now
buy a blend, so the people who want to put
down the pre emergent have that opportunity to buy the
winter riser in the pre emergent all blended together.
Speaker 2 (41:38):
Is Tom will be mad that we recommended that because
it's going to kill his aftersine sales in February.
Speaker 1 (41:43):
Well, the truth is if people would start using that
as a tool in the fall, they won't be looking
at all that stuff that they coming back for. If
you do post emerged control every year, that's you're only controlled.
It will get worse and you will do it every year.
Speaker 2 (41:57):
Yeah. Poeanna, which I call the truss. It's a little
upright growing grass usually has a little seat on the top.
You can just go take a bag of Dimension, set
it out there and it's not going to come up.
It works very well on pointing you yeah, and again
a lot of the other winter clover. If you've had
an issue with clover, it works well on that. So
you again, a lot of what we're controlling or in
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February March with post emergent or sprays, because it's up
and growing, we can actually prevent and actually I think
it's a little less expensive. So it's something to consider. Again,
I believe that's in a blue bag.
Speaker 1 (42:33):
It's in the blue bag.
Speaker 2 (42:34):
In the blue bag, so head by any of the
Kleg's nurseries probably is going to be right up close
to the door. Fiant control anything new and exciting or
just still.
Speaker 1 (42:45):
Well, it's the you know, I can't think of anything
that's really new. But we getting towards the end of
that season. We still have some time left to do it.
I mean, god variant mounds and after that last rain,
oh absolutely they're still there. I mean but like I say,
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if you were to do you know anything that has
some life to it, tall star, it would be one.
I mean the tall Star Grand News. That's why a
lot of people buy those is because it's uh, it's
releases a chemical over a long period of time. If
you put that down now, you'll be done until winter time.
Speaker 2 (43:23):
So most people that are on a tall Star program
a couple times a year, that's it. Yeah. We also
do sell bug Blaster, which is the same same chemical
that releases a little bit quicker, a little bit more
at one time, but a little less expensive alternative if
you don't like the Telstar price point, we do have
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bug Blaster which is by Finron, also that chemical. Both
of those products are not only good for fire ants,
but they take help with fleas tics. Sure, all of
your mole crickets, which had as much issue with those
the last couple of years, Well we really.
Speaker 1 (44:02):
Hadn't had issue with side Webborough for a few years.
Speaker 2 (44:05):
Well it's there for a while.
Speaker 1 (44:07):
Oh yeah, but we still get the chinch bugs almost
every year. So anybody with full with Saint Augustine ant
and full sun, that's a threat.
Speaker 2 (44:16):
All right. Well, we are bumping up against the end
of the show, and it was a lot of great
information and I should have brought you two glasses of water.
You've done a lot of talking in the last hour.
Thank you so much to Johnny Naylor for sitting in
on this pre recorded show. We are Cleg's Nursery. We
have four locations in the greater Baton Rouge area. We
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have Don Moore at mid City. We have the Segen
Lane location, which we think is the best greenwell springs
at the end of Sherwood and Range Road near Magnolia
Bridge Road in Denham. Again, we are Clegg's Nursery. We
are the independent garden center in Baton Rouge. We will
see you every Saturday morning from eight to nine o'clock.
You've been listening to the news radio eleven to fifty
(44:58):
wjbo's linea garden show. We'll see you next week.
Good Saturday morning, and welcome to the WGBO Lawn and
Garden Show, brought to you by Clegg's Nursery.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Good morning, Baton Rouge, and welcome to news radio eleven
to fifty wjbo's Lawn and Garden Show. Unfortunately, this is
a pre recorded show, so we will not be taking
phone calls. But if you are watching on some type
of podcast, there is a callback Mike that you can
hit and ask a question and we will get to
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that question next weekend. Well, no, it would be the
weekend after this weekend, because this is Saturday. Anyway. My
name is BUTCHERWS. I am with Clegg's Nursery and with
me a very very very special guest, Johnny Naylor. Good morning,
mister Naylor, Good morning, good morning, good morning. Since I'm
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not in the store very much except as a customer,
what is going on at Clegg's Nursery.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Well, after a very warm, slow August, September has come
around and he will pick it up.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Oh, and I didn't mean to interrupt you. I apologize
for that, but I was so well, my wife and
I were both so excited this morning. We got up,
we went to take the dogs out and in the
temperature this morning, the beginning was a six. How about
that upper sixties in what is it? September something, September third,
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September third.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
This is what we always look forward to that first morning.
It's got a little dry, yeah, a little crispy sixty anything.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Yep. If I hadn't been coming in on the interstate,
I might even roll my window down, But no telling
what would happen if you're driving on the interstate here
with the window down. Anyway, Again, I apologize this is
a pre recorded show, so we will not be taking
phone calls, but again you can use the callback Mike
on the podcast if you're listening or watching that way,
(01:57):
yes you can't be watching. But anyway, a lot going
on actually, and a lot of prep needs to be
going on right now. People need to be thinking fall gardens.
If I'm not mistaken, it's time. What do you use
suggest as far as bed preparation if it's kind of
a little bit early to be planting some of the vegetables,
(02:21):
But I always want to get the bed prepped ahead
of time. I think, especially if you're using a lot
of organic material.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Well that and if you're incorporating fertilizes, which always a
good idea to get that incorporated and let it sit
for a week or so before you plan. But I
mean we're right on time for a number of vegetables.
Y'all will have to pardon me. I'm having a sinus issue.
So I got that sexy voice this morning?
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Is that what that is?
Speaker 1 (02:50):
I don't know about that anyway. Yeah, good bed prep
is important. If you do good bed prep, everything that
you play will do so much better.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
When you're saying good bed prep, what exactly are we
trying to get people to do good drainage?
Speaker 1 (03:09):
It's good internal drainage.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
You can always add water, but you can't take it away.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
That's exactly right. I mean, we live in an area
that has a poorly drained soil and an awful lot
of rainfall, So everything we do is prepping to be
able to have good internal drainage get rid of the
excess water.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
One of the best ways to do that, I've done
that at my house and I know you have too,
is to actually use raised gardens. But if you're rowe
gardening or it's to do that, you're wanting to incorporate
organic material.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
Well, yeah, I mean if you're going to use the look.
We live on a clay bluff. So if you're going
to use the natural soil, which is fine, it works
better if you'll incorporate organic matter into it, just to
keep that clay from packing down.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
So bad for one thing, and most of what we
sell is organic material. And there's when we're talking about
what at this point in the conversation, you're talking about
a bulk material, A coarser material, say like a decomposed
pine bark, decomposed hardwood mulches that will actually help physically
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break your clay ions so that they're not a clay pot.
So you want something coarse to break that soil up.
If I'm not mistaken, well.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
Sure, I mean like garden soils are. We actually have
a raised bed blow on that mix, and it's a
little finer texture than the garden soil is. But there
there's still gonna be bark finds and things in there
that will keep it from once you incorporate it, keep
it from just packing right back down. Peat moss, I
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mean it makes the soil fluffy, so it keeps it
from packing down over a peereriod of time.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
We probably want to watch the amount of peat moss.
We use though, because peat peat can hold some moisture
so well it can.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
In fact, that's to your advantage at first if you're
using even the raised bed blend right at first, the
water just falls through it.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
So it is what I call a dry blend, which
it is.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
The peat moss will help retain some moisture during that period,
but it also keeps it from packing down. Is that
all those particles break down and they become humid and
they get smaller, so they begin to pack and good
stuff still holds a lot of nutrient, good microbial action.
The peat just keeps it from packing down quite so bad.
(05:47):
If you don't get in the boxes or beds and
walk in there, you'll come packt it down. But if
you stay out of there, then it will stay like
I say, sort of fluffy.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
I like that fluffy. If I understand what you're saying,
is this is something you really want to try to do.
If you're changing out spring fall, do it twice a year,
or if you at least once a year, you want
to get in and to use your word fluff at some.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
Yeah, I mean we have two, you know seasons here,
so even between seasons from the spring crop to the
fall crop. I still get in there and I till it.
I have a little Mannis tiller, which is wonderful, and
so I just run back through there and basically all
I'm doing is incorporating more fertilizer and fluffing it back up.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
I want to get back to that for just a second.
We talked about the course, the fines that you put
into actually physically break it up, but there's also other
organic materials that will help with that but also add
more nutrients. Be chicken manure, one of my favorites, cow manure.
(07:00):
You and I both have been a huge fan of
the alfalfa humde yes. These are all organic materials that
help with that breakup, but they also will add nutrients
into it into the soil.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Well and it increases your microbial count. So any additional
fertilizer you add to it is more available because.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Of that, because the little microbs are what actually attack
and take the fertilizer or make the fertilizer available.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
They make it available.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
You were mentioning what I wanted to get back to
was incorporating what when you're dealing with a fertilizer, when
you're incorporating it.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
What are you doing, Well, you're trying to get it
to a lower level rather than just throwing it on top.
Even if you just rake it in, I'm tilling and end,
so I'm getting it to a little bit lower level.
Your phosphors and potassium are just not that any movie.
I mean, so instead of just being bound up in
surface soil, you try to get it to a lower
level in the root zone. So, uh, when you have
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an opportunity to incorporated, if you just gotta have to
come back in side dress, that's fine. Normally, if we
get a good balance incorporated, which would be all three
elements posph your nitrate, fosterhors, and potassium, the phosphors and
potassium are going to be retained, so that's something that's measurable.
And retaining the salt the one thing that makes those
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plants green and grow. Your nitrates are not retained.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
They are water soluble, so they move.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Well yeah, I mean over a period of time they'll
leach out or they'll turn back to a gas. So
that's just something we have to come back in and
supplement with.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
So the fertilizer that at Clegg's we recommend is what
we call gardener Special. It's an eleven fifteen eleven, So
that would be the fertilizer that you would incorporate when
you're fluffy in your garden.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Sure, I mean that's eleven fifteen eleven. There's no magic
to those numbers, but it's about a one on one ratios.
You've run us all analysis and we know exactly what
your fossil tassium levels are. It's always a good choice.
And there's several nitrate sources you can come back and use.
A lot of people use calcium nitrate, and.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
That would be more as a top dress once we're growing, right.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
I mean, it's just gonna be something we supplement. I mean,
you have enough nitrate to get everything started. So I
mean after we've incorporated, you've got everything planted. In a
few weeks, we'll start coming back and side dressing. One
of the triggers used to be first flower. So I
mean if you growing tomatoes or peppered or squash cucomers,
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when you begin to flower, that's a good trigger to
put out on your first side dressing and nitrate.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
But if I wait for first flower on broccoli in
my broccoli done.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
All right? Well, we have some exceptions. As we go
into the fall crops, We're not gonna wait on first flower.
We're just gonna wait on establishment.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
What do you what would you say? Maybe two three
weeks after planting weeks usually is.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
For me as my truth is, I'm kind of watching
for rains.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Uh I can catch that rain, azy gardener comes out.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
If I don't get it moved in, then I feel
like I have to go back in and watered in.
So if I can catch that rain, you know, I'm
just I keep a record when I put it down
because I've reached that age. I can't remember a week.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
I'm sorry, what are we talking about?
Speaker 1 (10:27):
So? Uh yeah, I mean in two or three weeks,
I'm looking for the rain. If I don't get it,
I'm just gonnapply water again, and I will do broccoli
at least three times.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
One thing about broccoli, it's your coal crops.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
About that. You're talking broccoli, califlyer.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Brussels, sprouce, all that. The broccoli. Even after you take
main heads, you're gonna get lateral growth. So that's one
more opportunity after you have harvested the main head, is
to go in there and hit it again with some
more night so that you push all that lateral growth
out and you get good size to it.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Yeah, and actually I like the side shoots better because
you don't have to cut them up. But yeah, there's
a lot to that. The incorporation of your complete fertilizer
is important because, like Johnny said, you want to get
the phosphorus and the potassium down to the root system
so that it can be taken up. And the top
dressing of the nitrogen because it's either leached out or
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turns back to gas whatever. It's important, especially I think
in the cold cross because you are doing so much
vegetative growth. You know, look at your broccoli leaf as
compared to a tomato leaf. There's a lot more size there,
so it takes more nutrients to develop that leaf. For sure.
Are there any organic supplements that you can use as
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opposed to say a calcium nitrate.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
Sure, there are a lot of good organic nitrate sources.
The drawback is are really slow, so if you were
trying to correct a nitrate deficiency, they're just slow to
do that. If you do running that problem. Actually the
best one would be fishy molt. It would be the
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quickest nitrate release in the organic market.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Can we call fish emulsion the organic miracle growth.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
More or less is your organic miracle growth. Blood meal
is excellent, but to me, it's like a trickle feed.
It's just very slow to release. The organics have to
break down and release their nutrients. Cotton Seed meal is
another one that's six percent nitrate is the same thing.
It just takes a period of time. As it does
break down, it releases over a longer period of time,
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so you really don't have to do it as frequently.
But like I say, if you show a nitrate deficiency something,
if you rework a bed or you build a new
bed out of these things, you've got material in there.
It's going to start rapidly breaking down in there.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
You can tie nitrogen up.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Sure, they got to take the available nitrates to satisfy
that process. So you do need to supplement something. So
if you go plant and everything starts turning yellow, I mean,
it's just showing your nitrogen efficiency. If you want to
do it organically, get you some fission moss.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
My name is BUTCHERWS and with me is my very
very special guest, Johnny Naylor from Clegg's Nursery. Good morning,
once again, Good morning, and we are a pre recorded
show this Saturday morning, so unfortunately you cannot call. You
can hit the call back button if you're listening on
a podcast, send us a question. We will get to
it next week, well a week from Saturday. So anyway,
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we first I had a lot of information in that
first segment on garden soil prep. Uh when jokingly teased
when we went to the break there that we're talking
about fishy maulsion, which is an organic nitrogen source that
can be absorbed relatively quickly both through the foliage and
through the root system of vegetable or of any type
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of plant. And I jokingly said that if you use it,
you may get all the neighborhood cats. What what deterrence
do we have at Clegg's to help keep pests? And
you know, I was joking with the cats, but you know,
I'm having a huge issue with rabbits. And I know
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high velocity lead, but we can't really do high velocity lead.
Are there decent, respectable functional.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Well, it depends on the animal. I've had limited success
over the years. I used to have cat neighbor cats.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
That would.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
Come visit me.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
I'm very nicely put I.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Mean all of a sudden new litter box idea. So,
and I did find one or two repellents at work. Actually,
what I bought an electronic deterrent in that actually worked.
I bought it to keep squirrels out. It did not
work on squirrels, Bet it worked fine on cat cats.
Rabbits are real issue, are repellents, but it depends on
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the individual animals. Some of them are repelled by some
of them don't pay any attention to it. So physical
barrier has always been the best bet.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
So I got to build Shirley the Chicken kt thanks
a lot.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
About three foot high with a small mesh because those
little bitty young rabbits can get through a two by
four welded wire and a heartbeat.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
But yeah, so physical barriers. If you are having that issue,
what about squirrels. Won't they just hop over the top?
Speaker 1 (15:44):
Yeah, squirrels, Now that's I have been using a netting.
It's only about eighteen to twenty four inches high, but
it's all curled up right on the edges, and they
don't like that on their feet, so they won't cross it.
But I put it up just high enough so that
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they couldn't jump over it and get in and so
far it's worked pretty well.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
I might have to stop by and look at that.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
It's interesting. I did it that way so I could
still get in there and harvest and you know, maintain
do things that I need to do without having to
pull netting off. So but the just piling that netting
up all the way around it. They just don't want
to cross it.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
Cool. Is there any truth to the matter of blood
meal could be a deterrent?
Speaker 1 (16:38):
Well?
Speaker 2 (16:38):
There, yeah, And that depends on the animal.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
Yeah, I mean some things are repelled by it. Somehow
are actually attracted to it.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
Oh great.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
I can remember using blood meal years ago, and I
was using it as a fertilizer more than anything. And
if it you know, if it would repel any animals,
you know, just land. But there was a little dog
about two doors down that would come and just was
attracted to that blood meal. Every place I put it,
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that dog was digging it up.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Oh man, So don't do blood mill. That's what we're
hearing on that, not for that dog, I am hearing.
And we had a little discussion before we got on
the air that we're probably going to have. We normally
have a dry fall but we might be a little
bit dryer this fall. And one of the things that
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we've discussed many times on the show, and I think
is important, is if you're running a dry if you're dry,
let's just put it that way. You don't want to
go out like every third day and run a sprinkler
for an hour and a half and get it all
soaked up and then wait six days and do the
whole thing. Fluxual moisture fluctuations like that can be harmful
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to all plant material, but especially when we're dealing with
garden plants. I know it took you many, many years
to convince me to finally do this, but you do
a micro irrigation system in your garden. If I'm not mistaken, well,
I've got a drip system.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
Driplight is just real easy to use. I mean, it
applies water without getting water on the foliage, and it's
something that I can adjust the time on it is
the season changes, so I'm trying to maintain just a
level of moisture. And it's all mulched, so it's all
unmolt so I'm not losing a lot of moisture to evaporation.
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It's all through plant use. So even when it gets
real hot, you know, I might even start running it
twice a day in the hottest part of the summertime.
If we're having a dry period and if we get
some good rains, I just go turn it off and
I wait until moisture level drops again, not letting it
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to the point where I'm having to start over and
rehydrate everything, and just watch your level drops, turn it
back on and try and maintain that same level of moisture.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Well, which which you just said makes a lot of sense.
Think about a sponge. If you keep that sponge moist
it's very easy to get extra moisture into it. You
can squeeze some of it. But if you let a
sponge dry out, try getting water back into that sponge
can be difficult. So it is important to try and
maintain some level of moisture. And when you're talking about
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the drip tubing in your garden, that's basically what it
looks like is a tube with holes in it.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
That's all it is. You. I mean, you can get it.
It's just a quarter inch tube and its kind of
mitters in it, and you can get them either six
inches apart or twelve inches apart, and so I mean
you have to adjust according to your flow rate. The
six inch doesn't allow you to run it for long distances.
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I mean the twelve inch you can run a single
run about thirty eight feet. Six inch you only about
half that about twenty feet. But you can run a
bunch of them just to keep your flow rate the
same from beginning to the end. You can only run
them at you know, a certain distance. So in small
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home gardens though, that works very well.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Yeah. What I did was I have what basically I
called a trunk line, but it's a tubing that I
actually hooked to the faucet I had, just like you.
I have a timer on it, and then I have
it to I'm counting real quick, four different beds, and
I actually stepped up and I have a control valve
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going to each bed. So if I only want to
run one bed, I can shut the other ones off
and all. But it's so simple. You just run the
trunk tubing out in there, you close the end of
that off, poked the hole in. I did run mine.
We discussed that. I ran it as a loop, so
it puts water in both ends. Being that I'm in
a raised bed, just like you. You know, I think
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my longest run was twenty five thirty feet, But you know,
which is fine with the twelve inch spacing. Typically, I
guess if you're doing a row, if you're row gardening,
maybe a six inch spacing would be more beneficial to you,
just especially like if you're running a row of carrots
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or running a row of lettuce, where your plants are
going to be closer together. But typically what I'm growing
is you know, the coal crops, like we talked about
the broccoli, the cabbage and cauliflowers. So the twelve inch
spacing tends to work out better for me.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
Well, yeah, I mean twelve inches fine. It's really a
flow rate. Just if you own six inch spacing, you
just don't have to run it as long. But it
you know, it's not like we don't have the time.
So the twelve eh spacing fine. If you were to
put that on dry ground and look at it after
the thing runs, it looks like there's just a little
bit of water about the size of a quarter at
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each one of those little spaces, but it fills if
you start sticking your fingers down in there. You can
tell it just through capillary action has now moved from
one spot to the other and it's water and everything.
You just have to run it long enough to get
that action.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
Yeah, it's almost like a reverse triangle right at the surface.
It's small, but it kind of spreads. It spreads out underneath. Okay,
don't put you on the spot here. How do you
grow carrots in Louisiana.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
Well raised rose? I mean carrots can be grown here.
For one thing, you have to pick a length of
carrots you can grow because of our soil type. If
you try to grow a full length character to me
that it would be a grocery store carre at nine
or ten inch carrot. You ain't gonna do it unless
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you've got well raised rose or you know these deep
boxes you could grow that. If it hits our clay base,
they'll split. So that's why the most popular carrots that
we sell or considered mid length danvers is a mid
length nantes is uh I grow scarl it nanties. It's
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and it's only because of its shape. It's a middle
length carrot. It's very easy for me to grow in
these boxes. But it's like a cylinder. It's the same
size all the way down. And then it just comes
to a blunt point. And since I use carrots mostly
for cooking, when I cut them up, they're all the
same size instead of a traditional shape, which is you know,
big at the top and then grows goes down to
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a point. And so they're all different sizes what I
chop them up, but that middlength are just easier to grow. Here.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
One of the things that I always promote on the
radio is your rainbow blend. With kids, it's kind of neat.
You got a purple carried or a yellow carricteror an
orange chrritter or a red carrot, and when the kids
pull them that it's kind of like an Easter egg
hunt for vegetables. Sure it's great, but yeah, uh Again,
this is a pre corded show, so unfortunately you cannot
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call in today. You can hit the talk back button
and leave a question that we will get to at
some point if you're listening to us on a podcast.
I don't have enough. The producer just said something into
my ear that I had to respond to again. Micro irrigation,
you want to keep a consistent moisture, run it depending
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on the weather, temperatures, rainfall, you know, maybe every other day.
You know, in the summer, you're going probably like you said,
maybe doing it twice a day, just to make sure
we maintain a good even moisture. Put a timer on it.
That way, if you go on vacation, leave for a
weekend or whatever, and it needs to run, you can
set that tim or timers have gotten to be relatively
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inexpensive I think for what they do for you.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
They have and they've gotten better. The first time is
that we got we get a bunch of them that
would come back. You know, the worst thing in the
world is you're gonna go on vacation. You get this timer,
and uh, you know it works pretty well right up front.
So you're counting on this thing to work. And either
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it works and it rains every day that you're gone, yes,
or it decides not to rain and it doesn't work
and you come back and everything's fried.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
That sounds like you might have had that experience I have.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
But you know, fortunately the timers are a lot better,
and they are they're a lot more affordable than they
worry for.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
We've had some I think excellent discussion about vegetable gardening.
But one of the things that we really haven't hit on.
We've kind of glossed over them a couple of times.
What are the most popular or what should people be
planting in their fall garden at this point, I know
top of your list is tomato plants.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
Well, if you haven't planned them, you still got a
couple of weeks to get me and tomatoes are real.
If you crop, I'll plant four to six plants, and
if I make anything fine, and I don't, then I
hadn't wasted a whole lot of space. It used to
be I would say you would get one good year
in five. That seemed to be the average. We've actually
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done a little bit of the last few years.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
So there's a couple things to me working. You know,
even with peppers, if you can, the best way to
do peppers, and you taught me this many years ago,
is do everything you can to get your spring peppers
through to the fall, and that's when you're gonna get
your best pepper crop. But the issue so many people
and I've had with fall tomatoes is a if you're
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plantinum this late into the season, by the time you
starting to get tomatoes, our day length is shortened up.
You really have difficulty ripening.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
Well, it takes longer. Yeah, I mean we're going in
the other direction, that's in the spring crop, so temperatures
are dropping and the days are getting shorter, so it
takes longer and long good form to ripen. It seems
like just about every year I I get to the
point where I've got a lot of fruits set on there,
you get a lot of brown paper bags and there's
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you know, when here comes the first good freeze. I
you know, if it's just a frost, I'll go throw
a cloth or something over them just to keep them,
keep the frost off of them. But I mean it's
gonna drop down in the twenties. That's it. I mean,
the plants are done. You know, a sheet's not gonna
help them. So I just go pick them. And sometimes
there'll be forty fifty sixty green tomato sitting on the counter.
But they eventually ripe, and very seldom do I just
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you know, do they just rot and go away. Most
of them will ripe it over a period of time,
So I mean I found it worth doing. We do
have some new varieties to try this year. I actually
grew them in the springtime, two of them, and did
very well. One called Thunderbird and one called Red Bounty.
And these are wonderful tomato. It's really nice. Their heat sets,
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so I mean you can plan them, you know, even earlier.
Uh in those first fruits, those first flowers will set.
But we're gonna try and this fall, I think they're
gonna do real well, or as well as anything's gonna do. Uh.
There is Red Bounty and Thunderbird. That's kind of strange.
There's one more that we have added in. I haven't
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grown it yet. I'm growing at this fall. I've already
got them planning, called red snapper. I didn't pick that
one right way. I had sounded too much like a fish,
so I picked a red Bounty instead of red snapper first.
But uh, we now have red snapper, and so I'm
gonna grow at this fall. We're gonna see how well
it does.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Cool. What other vegetables should they be thinking about planting
this at this time?
Speaker 1 (28:38):
Well, it's time for your co crops, So I mean, broccoli, cabbage,
what's your favorite broccoli? If I just had to pick one,
especially for home gardens, it'd be green Magic. And it
just comes in early, earlier than most of them. Uh,
and it gives you good lateral growth. I've grown a
number of broccolis over the last few years and they've
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all done well. Diplomat was another one that's done well.
But green Magic is just for people who used to
like pac Man, which has been out of production now
about five years. Green Magic was the best replacement for that.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
Was there is there one called Destiny.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Yeah. Destiny was actually the variety that Sicata sid who
was the developer of pac Men. That was their replacement,
and that was more for the commercial market. Little tighter
plant so the farmers could put more in a row. Uh,
And they weren't that interested in lateral growth. They just
wanted you know, heads for bunch cut. So and it's
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been okay. It doesn't give you as much lateral growth
as some of the other varieties do, but it.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
Was typically a farmers once he cuts that top one,
oh yeah, plants and plant something else.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
It's gol and so you know, that's the one nice
thing about brock It's just you know, you get that
extra kick later on your cauliflower, cabbage.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
You know, I mean just growing coliflower here, I've had
some difficulty with that.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
Well. And look and we have a new califlower variety
this year. It's gonna be available called Amazing. I've grown
some other ones. Twister was another one that said, these
are good varieties that are self blanching. That doesn't mean
it doesn't mean it's gonna go throw itself in hot water. Uh,
it's where you get covertly used to protect the flower.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
They keep it white.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
To keep it white. And look, I mean if you
grow varieties and the curds were exposed to the sunlight,
you know you're gonna get a little purple spots or
little you know, black spots in there, and they're gonna
kind of be an off color, is kind of a
yellowishitty color. And they're still edible. It's just not considered
marketable and it's not nearly as cool looking. So I
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give a bunch of them a way, so I want
it to look good when I get it away. So
I have these new varieties. You know, those kurds gets
pretty nice sized before they actually start spreading those leaves apart.
And then I'll go in and I will pull the
big leaves around it in time up at the top,
just to protect that head. And they're only going to
be on there for another week or two and they're
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coming out.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
Oh cool, so amazing is the amazing.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
It's gonna be another one that's has good wrapper leaves.
There's still some good ones out there. We lost Candid Charm,
which was one of my favorites, and that's this is
going to be a replacement for Candid Charm.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
That was an oldie but goodie for sure. Uh. When
I go by Cleggs, and when I worked at Cleggs
and before that at Naylor's, I think I think at
the most we had sixteen varieties of cabbage one point.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
Well, yeah, we still have a bunch there, and their
new varieties get introduced every year. So every year I'm
growing more and more new varieties of cabbage.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
And so much of that is and you know, Clegg's
does the best they can. As far as signage goes,
A lot of it is more headsize difference than anything else,
isn't it.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
It is our earliness. And then you have you know shapes,
I mean they're going to be either round or pointed
or flat, and just they're working on you know, earlier varieties.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
By earlier you mean quicker, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
They'll develop quicker. I mean the old varieties. The older
open polyated varieties. A lot of them were you know,
eighty ninety one hundred days. Now we have varieties already
and you know sixty days.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
Wow of seeds. I mean you can do let us
from plants or seeds. What others would we be looking
at doing from seed?
Speaker 1 (33:03):
I mean it's time for doing some of your basics
mustard and turnips, collars. We're doing the cabbage and the
lettuce seeds. We're just getting to the point where we
can actually do those. You have to wait for salt
temperatures to drop a little bit, and they have beats, radishes.
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I tend to wait a little later to do some
of those root crops. They if you have real high
soil temperatures and even high ambient temperatures when they're trying
to mature, that's one of the reasons you'll get not
good you know, size on your bottom to you just
get these crawny little things. Some of that can be nutrients,
some of it's spacing, but it's some of it's also temperature.
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So if you delay those root crops a little bit,
you may find you you get a.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
Better crop to rest. You know, I did not realize
that I'll have to write that one down. I have
just totally and completely lost my train of thought, which
I normally do. It's quite often. But you were talking
about nutrient deficiencies in some of the root crops and
getting all top and not bottom. Isn't that a boron deficiency? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (34:09):
It could be associated with boron?
Speaker 2 (34:11):
And we have boron? Is that a micro micro nutrient
that is in most fertilizers or would we need something special?
Speaker 1 (34:19):
Well, I have found that they're beginning to add more
and more fertilizers in the minor nutrient packages are putting
boron in. There is one of them, if not actually
twenty mule team. Borax is a good uh you know,
I mean Virginia buying like a five pound box of
this stuff and you know for a home regard and
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you're going to use a tablespoon probably less probably a teaspoon.
But or you can buy Essential Minor Nutrients, which is
a little package of just that.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
And it has that that particular product has a lot
more of the micronutrients as opposed to the it does.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
Yeah, the borax would just be going to boron. I
use as amite. As amite is an excellent for you
know other miners in certain minerals that we tend to lack.
So you know, I'll put that down about every other
year where I'm growing like turnips, and I don't do
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a lot of beats and rashes, but I do some
of them, especially if there's any new varieties I want
to try. But it helps.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
That's what I tell people, and I strongly believe this
and I know it to be true. Is the seed
wall typically it's going to be the back wall at
all the locations. Is Johnny Naylor's seeds? Very proud of
that wall, and you've grown nine percent of what's on
that wall? Yeah, pretty good because there's probably something there. Yeah,
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I haven't gotten to yet, or.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
Well, new varieties, and there's some corn varieties that I
think we have two corn varieties I hadn't tried yet,
but that's much I hadn't grown.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
Anyway, if you are a vegetable gardener and have not
been by any of the Klegg's location, it's worth a
trip just to see Johnny's seed walls. Something that glad
that Tom insisted we put your name well seeds.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
I want you to know that was not my choice.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
I know that, but again a lot of the vegetable crops.
I actually went by the don Mar location yesterday I
had to do something in that area of town, and
notice that great, great selection of all your fall transplants.
Real quick, because I've got a couple other things I
really want to get to. But when you're doing your
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small seeds, like your carrots, your radishes, I think, lettuce
turn ups, those type things, direct seeding is the way
to go. But when you're dealing with some of your broccoli, cabbage, cauliflowers,
do you recommend direct seeding or do you if you
want to go from seed, I recomm and transplants personally,
or do you recommend starting them in a tray?
Speaker 1 (37:06):
Well, yeah, I mean as opposed to going in direct
seating them in the garden. It's too small a seed.
And truth is, all the good Broccolian cauliflower cabbage varieties
are expensive, so you can't just throw a whole bunch
of seed.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
Out there like you can't with carrots.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
So you can direct seed. But if you're going to
do that, normally we would start earlier. So now you're
in there July August, which is fine because it's developing
a top and a root at the same time, so
there's no interruption like you would get when you go
put your transplants out there. It's just it's tough weather
(37:46):
conditions and if you I mean, there's small seeds, so
they have to be planning very shallow. If you get
them too deep, you're not going to see them. So
you know, I mean, if you want.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
To do that, come get the transplants.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
You can do it, but you just literally you go
plant two or three seeds at the spacing that you
you know, you want to grow your mature plants, and
then you go back and uh, and then the bugs
are awful on them, on those uh, those emerging that
emerging foliage.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
Just it's it's tough on in the small little root
system if they get at least a little bit dry.
Speaker 1 (38:23):
I've just found this a whole lot easier to come
back in, you know, uh, the latter part of August,
starting first part of September, and start doing my transplants.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
To jump subjects here again, if anybody interested in vegetable gardens,
come back and listen to this show. Several times. Johnny's
put out a lot of great information there. One of them,
my pet peeves, I won't ask for the soapbox on this.
But is the name of the product window riser. Why
don't they call it fallarizer.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
Well, you're actually getting the plants ready for winter.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
Right, But now you're I'm correct, and now is the
time to do it. It is.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
I mean we're putting the plant the fertilizer down in fall.
This is a high potassium feed. This is a put
them to bed fertilizer. This is not wake them up
and make them grow stuff. So and because your potassium
is actually retaining soils, we try to get it down
before they start drawing on it. So winter riser season
would be saved from about mid August to mid November.
(39:27):
Prime time would probably be first to September to about
mid October.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
You want your grass growing when you put it out.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
Yeah, I mean they need to be able to use it.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
Then.
Speaker 1 (39:37):
That's why there is some nitrate added to this. It's
a high potassium feed with a small amount of nitrate.
It just makes the potassium work more or less so for.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
The plant to eat the potassium or to take it up.
Speaker 1 (39:49):
Sure it needs to be, but you're not trying to
produce any more soft tissue growth, which is you've done
all summer long, and you're now trying to take that
soft isssue growth and harden it off and get it
ready for for wintertime. Especially root systems. That's what potassium does.
Potassium is not really what promotes root growth, it's what
(40:10):
hardens off your roots. It's what makes you a healthy
roots system. And so we're trying to get these plants
ready before they go down into the wintertime, so when
they come out in the springtime, you can tell there,
oh absolutely, you can tell the difference between those that had,
you know, access to the potassium and those that didn't
during the after the winter months.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
And one of the I'm usually not a blended fertilizer,
you know, used to be we had fertilizers with fungicides in,
a fertilizer with insect control in it, you know all.
We actually had for a while one that had all
three in it. But the one blended product that I
really recommend is the winter Riser with the weed prevent.
Speaker 1 (40:51):
Absolutely for years, people would come in and because it's
a timing issue, they would be putting down their winter
Rise and then they would go over and bag of Dimension,
which is your pre emergent and put it down the
same thing. Most of the winter weeds people are looking
at in like January and February, and they're coming in
from post emerged controls could have been prevented if they
(41:14):
had put these pre.
Speaker 2 (41:15):
Emergents down their annuals.
Speaker 1 (41:17):
Yeah, they're annuals so and they were controlled by Dimension
does a very good job on them. So Yeah, instead
of having it buy two different products, you can now
buy a blend, so the people who want to put
down the pre emergent have that opportunity to buy the
winter riser in the pre emergent all blended together.
Speaker 2 (41:38):
Is Tom will be mad that we recommended that because
it's going to kill his aftersine sales in February.
Speaker 1 (41:43):
Well, the truth is if people would start using that
as a tool in the fall, they won't be looking
at all that stuff that they coming back for. If
you do post emerged control every year, that's you're only controlled.
It will get worse and you will do it every year.
Speaker 2 (41:57):
Yeah. Poeanna, which I call the truss. It's a little
upright growing grass usually has a little seat on the top.
You can just go take a bag of Dimension, set
it out there and it's not going to come up.
It works very well on pointing you yeah, and again
a lot of the other winter clover. If you've had
an issue with clover, it works well on that. So
you again, a lot of what we're controlling or in
(42:21):
February March with post emergent or sprays, because it's up
and growing, we can actually prevent and actually I think
it's a little less expensive. So it's something to consider. Again,
I believe that's in a blue bag.
Speaker 1 (42:33):
It's in the blue bag.
Speaker 2 (42:34):
In the blue bag, so head by any of the
Kleg's nurseries probably is going to be right up close
to the door. Fiant control anything new and exciting or
just still.
Speaker 1 (42:45):
Well, it's the you know, I can't think of anything
that's really new. But we getting towards the end of
that season. We still have some time left to do it.
I mean, god variant mounds and after that last rain,
oh absolutely they're still there. I mean but like I say,
(43:06):
if you were to do you know anything that has
some life to it, tall star, it would be one.
I mean the tall Star Grand News. That's why a
lot of people buy those is because it's uh, it's
releases a chemical over a long period of time. If
you put that down now, you'll be done until winter time.
Speaker 2 (43:23):
So most people that are on a tall Star program
a couple times a year, that's it. Yeah. We also
do sell bug Blaster, which is the same same chemical
that releases a little bit quicker, a little bit more
at one time, but a little less expensive alternative if
you don't like the Telstar price point, we do have
(43:45):
bug Blaster which is by Finron, also that chemical. Both
of those products are not only good for fire ants,
but they take help with fleas tics. Sure, all of
your mole crickets, which had as much issue with those
the last couple of years, Well we really.
Speaker 1 (44:02):
Hadn't had issue with side Webborough for a few years.
Speaker 2 (44:05):
Well it's there for a while.
Speaker 1 (44:07):
Oh yeah, but we still get the chinch bugs almost
every year. So anybody with full with Saint Augustine ant
and full sun, that's a threat.
Speaker 2 (44:16):
All right. Well, we are bumping up against the end
of the show, and it was a lot of great
information and I should have brought you two glasses of water.
You've done a lot of talking in the last hour.
Thank you so much to Johnny Naylor for sitting in
on this pre recorded show. We are Cleg's Nursery. We
have four locations in the greater Baton Rouge area. We
(44:36):
have Don Moore at mid City. We have the Segen
Lane location, which we think is the best greenwell springs
at the end of Sherwood and Range Road near Magnolia
Bridge Road in Denham. Again, we are Clegg's Nursery. We
are the independent garden center in Baton Rouge. We will
see you every Saturday morning from eight to nine o'clock.
You've been listening to the news radio eleven to fifty
(44:58):
wjbo's linea garden show. We'll see you next week.
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