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March 15, 2025 • 41 mins
This week on the WJBO Lawn & Garden Show, Butch & Chris from Clegg's Nursery dig into your soil conditions, including why it's important to test and see just what you're working with!

Also, the best bang for your buck when it comes to plants, why now is the time to plant your vegetables, plus caller questions on air pockets in soil, fig trees and avocado trees!

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Good Saturday morning, and welcome to the WGBO Lawn and
Garden Show, brought to you by Clegg's Nursery. If you
have a question about seasonal planting, lon and garden concerns
or questions about landscaping, called four nine nine WGBO. That's
four nine nine six.

Speaker 2 (00:22):
Good morning, Baton rouge, and welcome to news radio eleven
fifty wjbo's Lawn and Garden Show. My name is Butcher Drews,
and I am very pleased to have mister Chris Herman
with me from Clegg's Nursery. Good morning, sir, Good morning, Butch.
How are you doing this morning? I'm doing fantastic. I mean,
that's a beautifully I have my lovely radio voice.

Speaker 3 (00:41):
You do.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
Yeah, it's just I mean, it's like we're gonna have
them flocked at the doors when we leave. You know,
it's gonna be like Elvis has left the building. I
don't know if you've been up yet, had your coffee.
Getting excited. It is a gorgeous day outside today, just
a great day to get out in the yard, to
do some planting, to just just be out with nature.
But I have a this question has been a burning

(01:05):
question in everyone in Baton Rouge's mind.

Speaker 3 (01:08):
What's that?

Speaker 2 (01:09):
Is there a difference between variegating flax lily and blueberry
flax lily?

Speaker 3 (01:13):
I don't believe.

Speaker 4 (01:14):
So?

Speaker 3 (01:15):
Oh okay, you answer, No, I haven't.

Speaker 2 (01:17):
I thought you were supposed to do that. No, sorry,
I failed because you were the one I should leave.
You could visually see them. I don't think I saw
the new ones that came in, but I'm pretty sure
they were variegated. Okay, well you now have both of
them in your system, by the way. Oh okay, However,
I just a little inside joke there. I learned something excellent.

(01:40):
Excellent garden show last weekend at the John M. Parker
AG Center. Just a lot of people. It was good
for Shirley and I worked Clegg's booth, got to see
a lot of our old friends, customers from Naylor's days
and Clegg's days, and really really enjoyed it. But got
to speak with mister Burt Birt is a young man

(02:00):
with the I think he's with LSU. He might be
with Croper of Extension, but he was out there and
he's one of the ones that deals with a lot
of the soil samples that are taken in the Baton
Rouge area. A friend of mine caller to the show,
had an issue with a soil sample that she had taken,
and she contacted Burton. When I met with him out there,

(02:25):
he happened to bring it up and we discussed it
even more because I knew of the sample and actually
had been received a copy of it myself, and was
surprised to learn drum roll, please.

Speaker 3 (02:42):
Threw him off there.

Speaker 2 (02:43):
There are actually multiple ways they test the soil the
same and if you were simple of just your dirt,
that's the test results.

Speaker 3 (03:02):
Oh that's right, soil or what mud? Mud? If you're
in New Orleans, you.

Speaker 2 (03:09):
Run and I apologize, I don't remember the name of
all the different tests, but they run what you and
I normally see the results of pH pH, phosphus, potassium, calcium, magnesium,
all that.

Speaker 3 (03:24):
And let me back up here real quick.

Speaker 2 (03:27):
The importance of a soil sample to you and I, Chris,
and to anybody in the nursery business that especially for
people that are starting a vegetable garden, starting a flower bed,
it gives us a baseline. It's kind of like going
to the doctor and having a blood test. You know,
when you do your annual physical, you give blood and
pee and they determine a lot of your health and

(03:49):
things that you need from that.

Speaker 3 (03:50):
Well, that's exactly what a soil sample does for us.

Speaker 2 (03:53):
It tells us pH like you mentioned, which if you're
doing a lot of the shrubs that we grow in Louisiana,
what Azalea's community is they like to soil. Yeah, even
Holly's like to be a city. And typically our soil
is six y five typically is what we see on
soil samples when we get them that haven't been amended

(04:14):
six six eight years, Yeah, somewhere in that range. So typically,
if that's the majority of the plant you're doing, we're
going to have you acidify your soil. We can find
out that vegetable gardens is extremely important because the phosphor
some potassium, which Johnny Naylor a couple of weeks ago
when he did to show explained how those elements don't
move in the soil, so we want them in the soil.

Speaker 3 (04:36):
We don't want to keep top dressing them.

Speaker 2 (04:37):
So but anyway, that's when we talk about a soil
sample on a show. That's why they're so important. It
gives us a baseline, so that we can give you
the nutrients or we can give you the information to
get the nutrients that you need for your soil. However,
getting back to my original story, we have Cleggs has

(04:58):
promoted what we call our raise bed blend and a
lot of our organic blends. You know, we talk about
the Chicka maneure, the cow manure, the raised bed blend
I think is the name of the product that came
from L.

Speaker 5 (05:11):
S U.

Speaker 2 (05:12):
Yeah, which are if you look at them, other than
a little bit of sand, there's no soil in them,
there's no.

Speaker 3 (05:20):
Mud.

Speaker 2 (05:21):
I was gonna say dirt again, and I knew I
was gonna get yelled at.

Speaker 3 (05:24):
If I did.

Speaker 4 (05:24):
No.

Speaker 2 (05:24):
I mean, it's basically pine bark malts, right, decomposing pine
bark malts forest material.

Speaker 3 (05:29):
There is actually a different test they run on that.

Speaker 2 (05:32):
Really, yes, it requires you send in about four times
the amount of soil.

Speaker 3 (05:40):
Almost I wist say dirt again.

Speaker 2 (05:42):
I know I am that you would a regular soil sample,
but they run a different test on it. And if
they do that and it's a dirt blended soil.

Speaker 3 (05:58):
The results are rack.

Speaker 2 (06:00):
I mean, it was just when our caller, my friend
sent me the copy of her test. I'm like, this
just can't even be. I mean, the numbers were just
so off the wall. And Bert was very good. I
think he personally went out to her house and resample
for her. But there, when you look at your soil
when you get back to the store, look at it.
When you look at the soil sample sheet that you

(06:23):
fill out and send in, they I think there's actually
three choices.

Speaker 3 (06:26):
So we need to.

Speaker 2 (06:27):
Educate ourselves first and then the customers out there that
there are different tests. Especially now if you're doing a
raised bed where most of your soil is organic material,
like Chris talked about the pine barred mulch leaf mold
compost material, you may want to use the separate the
different test and I wish i'd remember the name of them,

(06:48):
but oh well, that doesn't work. But soil samples, like
I said, very important. Now we don't do soil samples
at the nursery, right, but if you'll bring we have
a little bag.

Speaker 3 (07:01):
They're going away, they're going back to the box. I
like the bags. Yeah, I don't. Nobody did. It's no charge.
We just carry it for LSU.

Speaker 2 (07:09):
You pay LSU, you send it into LSU and they
give you the results and send them to you email.

Speaker 3 (07:15):
Isn't it like ten dollars? I don't remember. Sixteen I remember,
but I would have to double r.

Speaker 2 (07:21):
Yeah, But again it's you know, once you've had the
initial test, typically as long as you kind of keep
up with what you're adding, we can pretty much correlate
where you might be. You know, if you're having specific
issues either in your flowerbed or your vegetable gardens. Sometimes

(07:41):
we need to go back and do a test a
couple of years later just to see where we're going.
Typically what we find is if you're using again what
we term field grade fertilizers, your triple h R triple thirteen's,
that's where sometimes we can run into some phosphors and
potassium issue is because you need to first number of

(08:02):
the nitrogen, but you don't need to keep adding that
second number. And that's one of the things that Klegg's
promotes is as a top dress to go to go
away from like a complete fertilizer.

Speaker 3 (08:16):
And we recommend what calcium nitrate I believe it is.

Speaker 2 (08:19):
Calcium nitrates excellent for tomatoes, peppers, anything but beans, anything
but beans. Yes, I mean that's going to be your
almost your pure nitrogen.

Speaker 3 (08:28):
Yeah, I think I think it's fifteen point five.

Speaker 2 (08:32):
But again you promote, you commented on the tomato part
of it. The calcium actually is beneficial as far as
issues with blossom end drop blossom enrod is exactly what
the term depicts. The where the blossom scar is on
a tomato and even sometimes on a pepper will start

(08:54):
to rot if you look it up in your books
are online in books? Nobody has books online. Yeah, they're
gonna call it a calcium deficiency. So a lot of
people come in and get the calcium nitrate to correct that,
or was it stop rock? Calcium chloride is the spray

(09:15):
a lot of times. The reason for the calcium deficiency
isn't a lack of calcium in the soil. It's soil
moisture fluctuations so that the plants can't absorb the calcium
that is in the soil. So again that goes back
to proper watering of your vegetable garden will do a
lot to prevent those type things. How do you water

(09:37):
your garden, Chris, I water for a long period of time.
I actually have in my vegetable guard, I have a
drip a drip tape, and I let it run.

Speaker 3 (09:47):
What is drip tape? So it's a.

Speaker 2 (09:50):
It's a drip tape, but it's not really a tape.
It's a tube that every six or twelve inches has
a little hole in it that when you turn it on,
the water just drips out, so it doesn't ray all
over the fold, Isn't it like if I'm if I
remember right, it is like a half gallon to a
gallon of water per hour out of those things. Honestly
I don't know the numbers, but that's about right. Yes,

(10:11):
it doesn't put out a lot of water, which which
is what you were just saying.

Speaker 3 (10:14):
You water slow.

Speaker 2 (10:15):
Yes, you want to water for a long period of time,
you'll thoroughly saturate saturated with say, but don't do that
every day, No, yeah you want to. I really let
it ride out between waterings. But let it get some
air pockets in there, let some of the moisture drain out.
So I water like every two or three days, depending

(10:35):
on the weather. Right, And it runs for probably forty
five minutes to an hour, right at least something you
just kind of I don't want to stay glossed over.
But mentioned that it's extremely important. Is people don't realize
that you have to have air pockets in your soil
for the plants to be able to absorb the water
in there. Yes, so if your soil becomes what they

(10:57):
call super saturated, where you don't have these air pockets
in your plant's literally drowned and they'll rot. But yeah,
in fact, that's what I was going to want to
talk about, and I'm Chris jumped all over it like
a good co host.

Speaker 3 (11:14):
Drip tape, drip two beings. Some people call it.

Speaker 2 (11:17):
Micro irrigation is the way, you know, the overall term
for the whole thing, soaker hose, soaker hoses, I'm I
understand how they work and why they work. But the
problem to me with a true soaker hose is, I'm sorry,
once you get definitely, once you get past fifty foot,

(11:38):
but I'm I even say sometimes past twenty five foot
is water comes in one end of the soaker hose
and it has to fill that whole hose up evenly
to get the water coming out. And I'm once you
definitely once you get over fifty feet. Yeah, so usually
when you get at the end of the hose, it's
not dripping as much or maybe even not at all. Right,

(11:59):
So that's the reason why if you're going to take
the truthfully, you've done the drip tape in your guard.

Speaker 3 (12:06):
How much more difficult.

Speaker 2 (12:07):
Is it to do the drip tubing drip tape than
it is a soaker hose? The nothing that I right,
you're still laying out of hose.

Speaker 3 (12:16):
You're laying out of hose.

Speaker 2 (12:17):
So the drip tape, the benefit of that is depending
on your spacing on the drip tape. If it's six inches,
I want to say, you can do about fifteen feet
before you start to lose a little pressure. If you're
doing the twelve inches, it's about thirty feet, so you
know you can just you just run thirty feet out there,

(12:38):
put a little plug in the end, hook it to
your tubing and you're done.

Speaker 3 (12:42):
Yes, put it on a timer.

Speaker 2 (12:45):
And most of the water that we're putting on the
plants needs to go through the roots, not necessarily the foliage.
So if you spray it over ahead and get the
foliage wet, you could be welcoming disease.

Speaker 3 (12:57):
That's why we want to just water the.

Speaker 2 (12:59):
Soil when we can, right, I mean, you can get
some absorption through the foliage. But you're going to cause
much more problems by putting moisture on the foliage than
you would buy ground watering.

Speaker 3 (13:12):
So timers.

Speaker 2 (13:15):
You can hook a timer to it, and literally after that,
all you have to do is go out and pick correct.
You work on Secon Lane, right correct on Seacon Lane,
or at the stories on Seage right off right off
Sea Lane.

Speaker 3 (13:28):
Okay, yeah, that'd be over if you work on set, definitely.

Speaker 2 (13:31):
I don't know what was going on yesterday and Baton Rouge,
but the intern had a volleyball game downtown and my
wife and I literally could not get there. We left
the house and we're on we after an hour and
the game had started fifteen minutes before I find I
told her we were on JEFFERSONI.

Speaker 3 (13:50):
I said, we're turning around going home. We could not
make it. What was the deal?

Speaker 6 (13:54):
I honestly don't know, because I was ever all day.
When I looked outside, it felt like I ten was
heading west. Was just bumper to bumper.

Speaker 3 (14:05):
I mean, and not moving.

Speaker 6 (14:06):
Yeah, but even we went out to grab a bite
to eat, and it was maybe about seven o'clock. You know,
normally by that point something like airline is not that crazy,
but like right by twelve until right past Old Hammond,
it was just bumper to bumper and we couldn't tell
what was causing it because once you got past that
point it was smooth sailing anyway.

Speaker 3 (14:28):
So it wasn't just it wasn't just us.

Speaker 2 (14:30):
Okay, good, I thought people were just out here comes
butcher Shirley, let's line up in front of them.

Speaker 3 (14:34):
Well I did get a note about that.

Speaker 2 (14:37):
Just a question for you, I'm gonna put you on
a spot here. Did Ron or Elana graduate from Auburn
from Auburn?

Speaker 3 (14:46):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (14:47):
No, Well then why are the new Diplodenias that come
out are orange and kind of a purpleish blue. You'll
have to ask uh Ron and Elina. Yeah, I don't know.
They are nicely. The people who di I can't think
of who. That's fine, but it's kind of neat for
those of you that are not familiar with Diplodinia. It's

(15:08):
a relative, I'm going to say, a manda villa. They
look very similar. I don't think they're actually related, but
it's more of a bush form than the true vining mandavilla.
And Ron and Elena found some plugs for kind of
a light orange, I would say kind of a light purple.
It's kind of a bluish, fewish purple. But if you're
looking for something different, something unique in your landscape, full son,

(15:32):
I believe excellent little container plan. If you want to
do something colorful for the summertime around your pool or
outdoor patio, I want to.

Speaker 3 (15:43):
You know, got bored with hibiscus.

Speaker 2 (15:46):
And like hibiscus, it is tropical, so it will need
to be protected.

Speaker 3 (15:51):
Just I know a lot of let it die.

Speaker 2 (15:53):
Yeah, a lot of people don't like to spend the
money and then they have to replace it. But if
you want something that's going to bloom all summer long,
you need a planet tropical. Isaiahs aren't gonna bloom all summer.
Me roses, the drift roses, knockouts will. Yeah, but you
don't want to rose by your pool. No, right, exactly,
But I mean they are going to bloom all summer long.

Speaker 3 (16:15):
Okay, Jeremy, I'm gonna put you on. You just need
to leave your headphones on.

Speaker 2 (16:18):
Okay, come on, you're producing the show, you can leave
your headphones on.

Speaker 6 (16:22):
I'm sorry, I was listening to something else we were
doing when I was picking all that great bump music.

Speaker 2 (16:28):
You'll we were discussing earlier the reason the intern isn't here.
She's holding out for her new contract, and part of
it is Starbucks.

Speaker 3 (16:36):
What is it.

Speaker 2 (16:37):
I don't drink coffee, and I don't think do you
know how much is a coffee at Starbucks?

Speaker 6 (16:42):
It depends on the item. Okay, we're going as I mean.
For me, I go there and order a cup of coffee,
which probably makes me a rarity because I just get
like a regular cup of coffee.

Speaker 3 (16:53):
They sell regular cups of coffee. Yes, you can.

Speaker 6 (16:56):
It's it's you know, they put it off from the corner.
But ending on what she's wanting, this can average.

Speaker 7 (17:04):
This is an hour long show. You don't need to
plenty of time to think about this. But it'll cost
you five bucks at least. Okay, hibiscus high biscus drinks start. Okay,
let's just say twenty.

Speaker 2 (17:19):
So if you stop three times a week at Starbucks,
that's fifteen bucks. So in two weeks you've more than
paid for that high biscus. And I'm sorry, but at
the end of two weeks, what do you have left
as far as the coffee?

Speaker 3 (17:36):
Nothing? Nothing.

Speaker 2 (17:37):
Do you have a beautiful hibiscus or mandavilla or diplademia
or some other tropical that is going to.

Speaker 3 (17:44):
Bloom all joy every day till what October? November? Lately
it's November. Yeah, But and.

Speaker 2 (17:53):
Just think when when you invite your neighbors or your
friends over to go swimming in your pool or sit
around and cook out and aga.

Speaker 8 (18:00):
Oh, isn't that a beautiful hibiscus? Do they say, Oh,
wasn't that a beautiful cup of coffee yours? I don't
know where he's going.

Speaker 6 (18:08):
With this, so we need to get He did say
he doesn't drink coffee, right, Oh, right, so he doesn't
this is natural. Well, but I don't think he understands
how some people might really want that cup of coffee.

Speaker 2 (18:19):
So, but don't they want the compliment about how beautiful
their containers are around their pool or their outdoor kitchen
because their hibiscus or their diplodenia or their esperanza or
duranta or help me out here, do it?

Speaker 6 (18:34):
Well, let's say yes, can they have both?

Speaker 5 (18:38):
Well?

Speaker 2 (18:38):
Yeah, definitely, But I'm just using it as you know,
like Chris was saying earlier, people like oh, oh, it's
going to die in the winter.

Speaker 3 (18:45):
I don't want that.

Speaker 2 (18:47):
Why, I mean, what you get for your money? Is
I mean getting good bang for your bucket? Seriously?

Speaker 3 (18:55):
Does it make it through the winter? Oh well, let's
get another one. It's it's the points. That's a thing
they wanted to live all year, right, you know they
want their plans.

Speaker 8 (19:04):
You know you were spending eight bucks, which is a
coffee and a half.

Speaker 3 (19:08):
Do you need help getting off of that soapbox? No?
I think I could step down.

Speaker 6 (19:12):
Okay, wait, when did we drop drag the soapbox out there?
They totally missed it. I'll final I'll drag it back.

Speaker 2 (19:20):
But no, those plants and you know it used to
be blue byou out there every I don't think they're
doing it anymore. But they plan a bunch of hibiscus
because they bloom all summer long and all the people
going through the water park, and they used to sell
them off in the fall because that's hibiscus here. Now
this year, I don't know about it, but most years

(19:43):
they actually come back from the root system.

Speaker 3 (19:44):
They usually do make it through our winter.

Speaker 2 (19:46):
Yes, but the problem is because they have such an
extensive root system out is all they want to do
for three months is grow and they.

Speaker 3 (19:56):
Forget to bloom.

Speaker 2 (19:58):
So with our exam, if it takes two months of
not blooming, you're like twenty coffees in before it blooms.
So is it really worth twenty coffees not to have
blooms for those two or three months that it's just
green and growing.

Speaker 3 (20:13):
But we don't drink coffee some now.

Speaker 2 (20:14):
Oh we don't apparently don't understand anyway, we're flower geeks.

Speaker 3 (20:20):
But when you're especially.

Speaker 2 (20:22):
If you're an outdoor person during the summer, whether it's
a pool, whether it's an outdoor kitchen, whether it's just
esthetic area entryways.

Speaker 3 (20:32):
Tropicals just jump out.

Speaker 2 (20:34):
They're the bang, like you said, bang for the buck
plant and some of those new high biscuits. We have
Rico Suave, Oh, Sunrise tequila there, gorgeous. Yeah, you're beutiful.
You're starting to see some of the blended colors not
so much like the what was the President was just
a solid red seminole pang, right, So you are starting
to get what is a cat chatty Kathy is not

(20:58):
a yellow blend. They don't have that one anybody. They
changed the name of it that they sold, They sold it.
This grower sold it to another grow and it's different names.
Now I was going to ask if that screen was
broken or if the phone was broken.

Speaker 3 (21:12):
You know, I have not.

Speaker 2 (21:13):
We've been having such I enjoy when you're here because
I can just talk with you, and I forget to
give out the phone number nine four six, that's four
nine nine. WJBO put your smack dab on top of
our list right after he gets done typing.

Speaker 3 (21:26):
Oh, you know you're giving the intern.

Speaker 2 (21:30):
More oup because you're not giving Oh I know, I mean,
I hold that again. I totally don't know how to
do this anymore since she started. Uh, Susan, good morning,
Welcome to news Radio eleven fifty wjba's Lown and Garden Show.

Speaker 3 (21:42):
What can we help you with today?

Speaker 5 (21:44):
You had mentioned putting air pockets in your soil for
the plants to breathe or absorb. And my soil is
heavy and black and rich. What can I add to
it to add air pockets into it?

Speaker 2 (22:03):
Your best bet would be any type of an organic
A course, organic material perlite is another option.

Speaker 3 (22:10):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (22:11):
Typically even really any type of organic, any any type
of organic material, typically even in a very heavy soil.

Speaker 3 (22:20):
You're still going.

Speaker 2 (22:22):
These are these are not large air pockets, they're relatively
minute air pockets and they fill. They're there, I don't
want to say naturally, but because of any coarseness to
the soil will create that and that's where the moisture is.

Speaker 3 (22:37):
Stored in the soil.

Speaker 2 (22:38):
So when we were talking about the air pockets and supersaturation,
that's when the soil, you know, you pick it up
and it's like soup in your hands.

Speaker 3 (22:47):
That's that's what we don't want to have happened.

Speaker 2 (22:48):
But you can always take like a little rake or
some type of probe and stick in there to bust
the soil up a little bit. But as far as
an additive, any type of course organic material or perlite
would be your best bet.

Speaker 5 (23:03):
By organic, do you mean like.

Speaker 3 (23:05):
Manure or manure would be one.

Speaker 2 (23:08):
A lot of your pine bark materials compost pine strud
is gonna be almost two course unless it's chopped. Finally,
Clegg's Potting soil is an excellent product or planting mixer,
both excellent course products that you can add to your
soul to help break it up. Basically, basically organic matter

(23:29):
of me like pete moss, pine bark mulch leaf, mold,
if you have a compost pile at the house, anything
that's going to help break up that clay. I mean,
we have clay soils. Basically, if you take clay and
ball it up, it's going to stay in that ball.
What you want is something that will ball up, but
you kind of hit it with your finger and it

(23:49):
falls apart.

Speaker 3 (23:50):
That's really what you're changing for. Excellent, Okay, thank you,
all right, thank you for the phone call.

Speaker 2 (23:55):
I'm with Chris Herman from Clegg's Nursery and I'm really confused.

Speaker 3 (23:59):
Why is that?

Speaker 2 (24:00):
How can you eradicate snakes from Ireland if there are
no snakes in Ireland?

Speaker 3 (24:07):
I think it's pretty easy to do.

Speaker 6 (24:08):
I think you because they were eradicated. They wait, but
they weren't there in the first place. You say that you.

Speaker 3 (24:17):
Did it already, ah and get paid lots of money.
Oh okay, check out what I did. That's right. Why
didn't we think about that? Now? Now? Where is my is?
We're plant geeks? Oh that's right, yeah, you do.

Speaker 6 (24:29):
Trying to figure out the coffee to plant ratio.

Speaker 2 (24:34):
One of the I think we've totally lost it, so
fix that's four nine nine WJBO. If you have any
questions whatsoever. One of the questions that I believe it
or not. If you could see this body, you would
realize this is a very absurd statement. But I actually
do go to a health club. I won't name which one,

(24:54):
because nobody else would go to it. If they looked
at this, they'd lose a lot of business.

Speaker 3 (24:59):
Yeah, they'd lose a lot of business.

Speaker 2 (25:00):
But a lot of questions about citrus trees. Yes, the
last time I was on, we were telling which was
right after the stone, we were telling people you just
need to wait. Right Well, this is about the point
where we've waited. So it hasn't leafed out, it probably isn't.

Speaker 3 (25:18):
Yeah, I agree completely. However, this week.

Speaker 2 (25:23):
My second set SIMA put out a few leaves. At
this point, my orange trees, my grapefruit trees, they're gone.
I mean, there's you know, the stems have actually even
turned brown, which for citrus is saying something because they
will stay green even once the plant is dead for
a while.

Speaker 3 (25:41):
But yeah, gree one hundred percent with Chris.

Speaker 2 (25:43):
If your trees have not at least shown some and
the new growth can't doesn't have to be very large,
you know, three quarters out, Yeah, just broken out three
quarters of an inchel long leaf.

Speaker 3 (25:54):
You have hope. But if it hasn't by now, do.

Speaker 9 (25:57):
You'll have citrus? Yes, we did, didn't you. I'll get
a new shipment this week. Actually it's on the way.
Oh okay. That was a phone call before the show.
Is it was at Denim and it's on the way
to Seeking. Okay, So we'll have them hopefully by this afternoon.

Speaker 3 (26:10):
Okay, So all my way home from the show, I
shouldn't stop.

Speaker 2 (26:14):
No, I'll get it for you. Okay, thank you. But yeah, citrus,
very very rough winter. Actually, some questions to why it
was so rough, you know, with the snows serving us
an insulation layer.

Speaker 3 (26:28):
Yes, it did get colder than well, it got down
to seven degrees yeah, which is obviously not good. It
didn't get quite that cold here. I think it was
eleven here it was Tom, he'll tell you seven.

Speaker 2 (26:40):
Okay, it was seven degrees lower right hand corner of
the paycheck.

Speaker 3 (26:43):
Right, let's go to carrying Denim.

Speaker 2 (26:46):
Good morning, Carrie, Welcome to news radio eleven fifty wjbo's
line of garden show.

Speaker 3 (26:50):
What can we do for you today?

Speaker 10 (26:51):
Yes, I was calling my big tree is about thirty
years old, let's say, and I was leaving out doing well,
and then we had that freeze into twenties and all
the leaves disappeared, and where the leaves came out, it's
kind of shriveled a little bit, you know, a little
bit left of it shriveled. And I noticed it on

(27:12):
a couple of little branches. It's coming out on the side,
you know, with the side where below where the leaves
originally coming out. Do you think it was it killed it?

Speaker 2 (27:24):
Oh, obviously, if you have foliage coming out, the plant's
not dead, you probably got some what I'm gonna term
die back or kill back. Figs are one of the
things that we had some concern about because, like Tom said,
it has got to be seven degrees you know, that
can damage figs. It can actually, because figs have so
much moisture in the stems, it can split them. But yeah,

(27:47):
if you have foliage coming back, let the foliage come out,
actually start a new stem, then go in and prone
off any of the dead material that you may have.
But yeah, you just had a little kill back. It
sounds like as long as you have leaves coming out,
you're going.

Speaker 3 (27:59):
To be good.

Speaker 2 (28:00):
Once the leaf forms and you know, hasn't just started
to come out, but has actually started to form the
true leaf, that's when you're going to want to fertilize.

Speaker 10 (28:09):
Okay, okay, all right, yeah, it was doing great too.
Like I say, the cold and it all, you know,
kill the leaves all well.

Speaker 2 (28:17):
Yeah, I mean, figs are deciduous anyway, and they're supposed
to lose their leaves in the winter. Just so we've had,
as Chris was saying, September, even October, November into November
has been so mild that the figs are not dropping
when they normally should. So the dropping of the foliage
is normal, and you may get a little bit of
die back because of how cold it was, but if
you got new leaves coming out, you're just fine.

Speaker 10 (28:39):
Okay, okay, well thanks a lot, all.

Speaker 2 (28:41):
Right, thanks for that, thank you call. And that's what
we're seeing on a lot of things is that. And
what we're just talking about was citrus. We want to
start seeing at this point, we want to start seeing
some signs of life. A lot of my wife's perennials.
You know, we were out putting out pondstraw the other

(29:02):
day and all of them.

Speaker 3 (29:03):
You can start to see.

Speaker 2 (29:04):
There, you know, maybe not you know, up very high,
but you can definitely see new growth my fire bushes.
I was getting a little bit concerned about them, but
actually this morning I was out and I could see
just breaking ground, the new little growth coming up. So yeah,
I worked in the yard yesterday and I have Cuban
gold duranta, which technically is a tropical right, but I've

(29:26):
had them for years. Of course, I live in New Orleans,
so we're a little bit warmer. But I cut them
all back and one of them didn't have new growth.
This was last week, and then just yesterday I saw
it had some growth come out. I noticed her durantas
have about three inches of new growth out. So yeah,
we're starting to see the soil temperatures are starting to
warm up, so you're going to start to know for
sure what you have to replace on which you don't

(29:46):
have to replace. And again, as Chris and I talked
about earlier, we don't mind waiting. You know, your Cuban
gold duranta, especially in New Orleans, will be up in
bushy and blooming and no time, Yes, in no time,
some of these things will be much slower about coming
back to bloom. So if it is a plant that
was in a focal point of your landscape, you know,

(30:09):
three gallon cuban gold durant to twenty twenty five bucks,
you know, you know it's it's it may be worth
it for the esthetics of your landscape to replace it
because it will take a while to come back. But
a lot of this stuff is coming back. Oh, let's
go see if we can help this, gentleman. Good morning, Rick,
Welcome to news radio eleven fifty wjbo's Lawn and Garden Show.

Speaker 3 (30:31):
What can we do for you?

Speaker 4 (30:33):
Hey, wich, I've got a question about the avocado spree
about my white last last year.

Speaker 3 (30:39):
Okay, growing like crazy.

Speaker 4 (30:41):
It's got a ton of flowers on it. Though this
flower is all going to make avocados.

Speaker 3 (30:46):
Yes and no, very good answer.

Speaker 2 (30:49):
So the plant, the plant can only support so many avocados,
so it will really so it will naturally drop some flowers.
And of course they all have to be pollinated. If
they're not all pollinated, they're not going to produce the fruit.
Do you remember what variety you had got?

Speaker 4 (31:06):
It was a Haes type A.

Speaker 2 (31:07):
I believe they said it was Okay, well you need
a type B to be sure you get avocados.

Speaker 4 (31:15):
Contacted the company and they said it did not need that. Okay,
maybe it's a different type.

Speaker 3 (31:19):
I don't know. I'm not that knowledgeable on it.

Speaker 2 (31:23):
Yeah, and that's why I said I hoped we could
help this this this caller Rick.

Speaker 4 (31:27):
I was wanting to pitch them off along the line.

Speaker 2 (31:29):
I like to joke that citrus trees and I actually
include avocados in the citrus family, and they're not in
the citrus family. I do know that, but they're really
bad parents. They'll get to a certain point and they
if they don't like some of the offspring, they just
cast them off. So yeah, typically on avocados and citrus trees,

(31:52):
you'll get In fact, we usually get a lot of
phone calls when it starts to occur, typically right after
the bloss them start to fall and a lot of
people don't see this one. They'll abort a lot of those.
The small, very very very small fruit typically smaller than
a beebie. They'll just drop them. Then sometimes in July August,

(32:16):
when the the fruits about the size of a shooter marble.

Speaker 3 (32:21):
I don't see if anything knows what that is.

Speaker 2 (32:25):
They will drop those, And that's a lot of times
when we get phone calls on my trees dropping all
its fruit. Well, no, it's not dropping all of it.
It just it doesn't like those. It's thinning itself out.
So typically you'll see the same thing on avocados. You
got me curious about the haws if that is I
know there is another one. Again, I'm not an avocado expert.

(32:47):
That is self fertile, and maybe hass is so.

Speaker 3 (32:50):
But yeah, good luck with.

Speaker 4 (32:52):
Had no question about that tree though it's in a pot.
If I want to translated it to another pot, should
I wait.

Speaker 3 (32:58):
Till the fall? With going dormant right now?

Speaker 2 (33:03):
With the flowers on it, there may be some disturbance
and you may get more dropped than you would normally.

Speaker 3 (33:11):
I wouldn't. I would do it now.

Speaker 2 (33:14):
Yeah, I wouldn't be opposed to doing it now either,
because the problem is if the plant is root bound
as you go into the summer stress time, are you
going to be able to keep it watered well enough
to prevent it from dropping the avocados at that point?

Speaker 3 (33:31):
So yeah, probably new Okay, got it? What size? How
long have you had.

Speaker 4 (33:40):
It since last spring?

Speaker 3 (33:43):
Okay, what sized pot is it in? Now?

Speaker 4 (33:47):
It's in about it's not a plastic pot. It's probably
three the poor gallon size.

Speaker 3 (33:54):
Well you bought it in you.

Speaker 2 (33:57):
How how just roughly across the top the pot without
you don't need to run get a rule or anything.
But just is it twelve inches? Is it fifteen? It's
probably seven gallon? Yeah, it's a probably a seven gallon container.
If you bought that last spring. I think I'd wait
and do that and do that transplanting next spring.

Speaker 4 (34:16):
Next spring, Okay, yeah, I don't want to start the
while I was trying to produce.

Speaker 3 (34:19):
Far Yeah, I just love.

Speaker 2 (34:23):
Just next January February, I like to I agree with Chris.
You probably want to come in and get a pot
that's about seventeen to twenty inches across the top and
shifting at that point.

Speaker 3 (34:35):
I can do that, all right.

Speaker 4 (34:38):
I appreciate Joe out all.

Speaker 2 (34:39):
Right, thanks for the phone call. You know, that's something
that we don't discuss enough. Whenever you're shifting plants. You
don't want to go from a four inch plant to
a ten gallon pot, correct, because the problem is when
you have that little four inch and I that's a
huge exaggeration, of course, But when you you have that

(35:00):
little four inch pot or one gallon pot or three
gallon pot, all of the roots are still in that
little four inch or that little one gallon or that
little three gallon. So if you have all this dirt
you know, around it with no root systems in, it
goes back to that supersaturation situation. You can that soil

(35:22):
can actually get too wet by us constantly watering, and
the plant ends up with root rot, all sorts of diseases.
Typically you want to go up about two to four inches.
If you're in a ten inch pot, go to a
twelve to a fourteen inch pot. Don't go to a
twenty twenty five inch pot. That way, you can step

(35:42):
it up a little bit at a time. You don't
have a lot of loose soil without roots in it,
and the plant's going to be a lot happier.

Speaker 3 (35:48):
Yes, I agree.

Speaker 2 (35:50):
Yesterday my lovely wife and I went into Clegg's Nursery
on Segan Lane purchased Star of vegetable plants, which I
probably will be planting right after the show. But for
a lot of people that are interested in that, it's
time little don't do okry yet, don't do field pis yet. Cucumbers, man,

(36:12):
you can probably get by with those. Do cucumbers from
seed or buy the little four packs they pop up
and yeah three days.

Speaker 3 (36:21):
Yeah. So beans are another thing. You need a mess
of beans. Do not plant one bean plant or you're
going to.

Speaker 2 (36:27):
Be disappointed because you know you just need a row
of beans or an area of beans to really be
able to produce enough. I don't This is something that
I don't I've been wanting to. I don't want to
bring up, but I need to bring up. As people
listen to the show. I've had people complain that we

(36:48):
don't mention that we're with Clegg's Nursery enough.

Speaker 3 (36:51):
Well, we don't know where to find you.

Speaker 2 (36:54):
I don't want to turn this show into an advertising
for Cleg's Nursery. We reckon we advertise on the show.
We mentioned where, what store we're at, and that we're
from Clegg's Nursery.

Speaker 3 (37:07):
We are very proud of the fact that I work there.
I have retired.

Speaker 2 (37:11):
Chris still works at the Siegen Lane store, which is
Head and Shoulders the best store, right Grak, You appreciate it,
but I don't want this to be a commercial. I
want it to be an information time, an hour where
people can ask questions so we can say we have
no idea what the answer is. But again, that's why
you don't constantly hear us saying Clegg's Nursery as we

(37:33):
go to break, as we come back to Break, I
normally mention the four locations at the end of the store.
I'll do it now. We have don More in mid city.
We have the Segen Lane Store, Seagan at Airline. We
have the Greenwold Spring Store, which is basically where Sherwood
Forest Sherwood we get the end of Sherwood Forest, and
the Denim Spring Store, which is real close to Magnoia
Bridge Road, which is actually almost exactly five miles from

(37:58):
I twelve North used to do a little thing with
Scott going to the stores. With him not being as
active in the show, a lot of people don't even
know who he is anymore. So I don't do that,
But again, thank you for the people that have. When
I was at the store, more or would comment, why
don't you tell where you're from. That's why I don't
want it to be an advertisement. But again, getting back
to vegetable plants, I just really wanted to get that in.

(38:19):
I felt important about that. But getting back to vegetables,
y'all got like three or four tables of vegetables enough,
we had quite a few and a fantastic selection. A
lot of tomatoes, different types of tomatoes, determined indeterminate, Yes,
what's the difference. Indetermined it's going to be a vine type,
so it's going to continue to grow, whereas a bush

(38:41):
is going to go to a certain height and kind
of stop.

Speaker 3 (38:44):
Determined height.

Speaker 2 (38:46):
Very good, but yeah, one of the negatives to a
determinate type tomato is typically tomatoes are set on new growth,
so if it stops growing air quotes, you're not going
to get as much production. One of the reasons determinate
tomatoes were developed was for tomato grower. So what happens

(39:08):
is the tomato plant gets to a certain size, it
stops growing, produces all its tomatoes, and they go through
and do an easy picking. They don't have to go
through and pick over a long period of time. But
most of the things I'd like to mention as people
come in and want to know what's the best tomato.
I mean, there's so many tomatoes for in all these

(39:30):
vegetables I mean, it's really your personal preference.

Speaker 3 (39:32):
It is.

Speaker 2 (39:32):
I happen to like the celebrity. That's my favorite. It's
such a good producer. But there's other people that come in.
They wanted Juliette, or they want a mortgage lifter or
whatever they want, and they're all fine, But don't ask
which one's the best, you know, because it is personal preference,
and you do. You talked about Juliet is a greate type.
You have the cherry tomatoes, You have the small cherries,

(39:53):
of large cherries of different colors. Even you have your yellow,
your pink, your red tomatoes. Mortgage after some of the
airloom varieties, we have some issues as they as we
get hotter with them stopping to produce. You have your
heat set varieties. So there are different varieties out there.
But as Chris said, it's a personal preference. Everybody has

(40:15):
their own taste. So bell peppers, ninja or tradition, head
and shoulders the best bell peppers.

Speaker 3 (40:23):
I know.

Speaker 2 (40:23):
We had ninja on the tables because I picked some up.
But yeah, get out those stores, get your vegetable garden planet.

Speaker 3 (40:29):
Anyway, we are Clegg's Nursery.

Speaker 2 (40:31):
We have four locations in the Greater Baton Uge area
to serve you.

Speaker 3 (40:34):
Come by and see us.

Speaker 2 (40:35):
We're here every Saturday morning on wjbo's Lawn and Garden
Show from eight to nine to hopefully entertain you and
maybe learn a few things from you. Again, you've been
listening to the news radio eleven to fifty WJBOS lawna
Garden Show

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