September 9, 2023 • 40 mins
This week on the WJBO Lawn & Garden Show, local experts Butch Drewes and Dr. Allan Owings from Clegg's Nursery, along with the intern Anna-Claire, talk about the return of sod webworms, waiting to plant fall veggies, peach trees and chilling hours, how to combat crabgrass and more!
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Good Saturday morning, and welcome tothe WJBO London Garden Show, brought to
you by Cleg's Nursery. Good morning, You're welcome back to w j VOS
London Garden Show. How maybe sorrybloopert number one? Yeah, you want
to start over again? Retake allright? Good morning and welcome to w
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j VOS London Garden Show today.I am here with doctor Alan Owens and
Busch Jews from Cleg's Nursery. Goodmorning, I think I'm leaving. Good
morning, Good morning. I knewit's gonna be bad with my lights flickering
anyway, so I don't know ifI'm coming, if I'm on air,
if I'm not on air. Thatbutton sometimes just not seem to work.
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No, Scott Rick ha brought ascrewdriver once. Only Scott would do that.
I know that you have lots andlots of questions, Anna Claire,
but I have something I would liketo get to first sing this morning,
because we are having a lot ofquestions at the store about it. We
have been inundated once again. Whatlittle brown moss are they out? Yes
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they are. I mowed my grassthe other day for the first time,
and I thought I was going tohave to go get one of those b
suits done because they were just wehave side web worms, ladies and gentlemen.
I guess the drought didn't bother themone bit. I've heard a lot
of lawn insect issues are still outthere. People say they still have chinch
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bugs, but I think there's otherthings going on too. I haven't seen
chinch bugs. We were getting themin was it July? We were getting
quite a few cases of chinch bugs. What I'm seeing right now though,
is sod web worms. And theyhave really been the last ten years.
Not every year do we have them, but we have them more years than
we don't. Right. It's interesting. In fact, I actually am going
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to ask some legitimate questions for once, but I want your opinion on this.
Johnny feels like their range has extendedfurther north. It used to be
that the cold weather would kill thembecause it is a tropical insect and would
kill them back and you know theymight be south of New Orleans. I'm
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just throwing out where now, heand so it would take longer for them
to get up to Baton Rouge.He feels like that line is now definitely,
maybe even as far As Gonzalez,because we are getting them almost every
year plus what we seem to begetting them earlier. So I mean your
opinion, now, I think that'sa very good concept there. I mean,
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we have had a little bit ofmajor cold every winter, right,
which but that does not necessarily killthe entire population of a certain insect.
And so I think we're just buildingnumbers a year year. They're overwintering more
successfully. We don't see side webworms and Swepordham Monroe once in a while,
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a little bit in Alexandria, butit's mainly the Interstate ten corridor.
And to my knowledge, did wehave these much fifteen years? Oh yeah,
you know, I don't remember beforeI got to Clex, right,
you know, which is seven eightyears ago. And I just remember when
I was still at LSU, theyreally started being bad, okay. And
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I mean we would just get lawnpictures in from nice green lawns to one
or two days later, like armyworms came through. But it's not army
worms, it's side web worms.The first year that we had it really
bad, five or six years ago, we thought it was army until it
started seeing the moss. Yes,and that's one of the things. The
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moth is not the problem. Thelarva that is the problem. I understand.
People come in and go, Igot it. They're all up in
all these moss up in my bushes. What what am I do? They're
the moss move And if I'm incorrect, please correct me. But I was
under the impressions a moss move intoshrubbery during the day is because it's a
little bit cooler. Sure that protectedcanopy and they don't want birds eating them.
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Yeah, that's true too. Soif you really want to, you
know, if you really are aggravatedby I'm come by, get the bug
blaster ready to spray, and gospray your bushes in the middle of the
day. I'll make you feel better. But it's really that's not where we
want to solve the problem. I'mgonna say, we want to treat the
lawn area. If you have themoss, and again your input out and
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I suggest spray. Spraying is quickerkill. You're gonna get a whole lot
quicker action. And we don't wantto let these go a long time because
our lawns are well said, hesaid, two days, yes, right,
right, Yeah, So spraying isinstant if you you know what,
I haven't really seen any moss,but I'm I'm concerned what you need to
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be. That's when we want touse the granule, or more we put
the granule out, we water it. This is interesting. I don't even
know how long ago, but Inever really realized why we water when we
put out a fertilizer, or whenwe put out an insecticide granule, even
a fungicide granule. I never reallyrealized that what you see when you pick
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up the bag is carrier exactly.Yes, I don't carry on just a
very very small percentage active ingredient that'sgoing to do the job on your disease
or insect that you have out there. And what you're doing by watering is
you're washing that, you know,that little small thing, very nice,
you're starting to use your hands onradio two, very small amount of chemical
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you're washing it off so it becomesactive. So anyway, that was something,
like I said, for some reason, I know, I know why,
I'm not gonna get but it wasinteresting going through the process and all
the different things that they use ascarriers right right you can. I mean
some of them they use sand,they use clay particles. Some of them
use vermiculate I believe. So there'sall sorts and this is kind of but
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that depends whatever carrier they're using.That depends the size of the bag,
depends on the carrier, right,But anyway, we do have excessive damage
with sideweb worms. They are runningthrough. The other negative, if you
can get come up with another negativefor side web worms is a fact that
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they don't care what type of grassare eating. It's on all you can
eat buffet across spaces, unlike thechinch bug that if you have centipede,
you don't have to worry about it. But with side web worms, it
can even be one of the weedgrass. And pay attention on what your
neighbor's lawns look like. And payattention when you're mowing the grass. Are
you seeing these these moss flying upat you. It's it's easy to diagnose
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once you understand the problem. It'svery easy too. I was going to
say something, but I've completely forgotstill early in the morning. Yeah,
okay, we kind of got offof that soap box. Do you have
a question, ma'am? I do. Why did I know that? Because
they always because you always do.That's it. We have finally gotten some
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rain, so can we quit watering? We've gotten rain. We've gotten rain
there, there's isolated rain out there. The other day it rained four to
six inches around New Orleans. Yes, and you know how much Baton Rouge
got badly squat. Yeah. Okay, and so you know they're they're showers,
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but we are still on a waterdeficit. Well, and not only
that, but we had rain airquotes yesterday by our house we had less
than a tenth of an inch,that's you know, and it came like
within like five minutes. You know, your plants on your soil lose at
least a tenth of an inch ofwater per day during this time of year.
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That's very interesting. Yeah, Igot a serious question for you,
and oh my no, I mean, I really do enjoy when you're on
because you actually are intelligent, asopposed to the thank you, thank you.
But no, I have read andheard the amount of moisture a mature
tree pulls out of the ground.It is I don't know if you know,
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I don't remember that, I don'tvolume, but it is huge.
The other day, somebody asked meabout their ball cypress tree, and they
want to put about five gallons ofwater on their ball cypress tree twice a
week. And I said, well, why don't you think about starting with
fifty or one hundred gallons of waterout the drip line three times a week.
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And this was two weeks ago.But you can notice all the balls
cipers around town, or many ofthem have their fall foliage collar are already
defoliating. The the foliage is droppingflage and uh so well, and I
was I talked to a gentleman fromBoffingers. I will give them a plug,
excellent, excellent tree company. Andhe was saying, the cypress are
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gonna be okay. He said,they're they're they're defilating. They're gonna be
just fine. Their biggest concern isthe oak trees. And he reminded me
about fifteen years ago we had asimilar type drought and he said, think
about how many white oaks do yousee in Baton Rouge anymore? He said
they all about fifteen years ago welost almost by the LSU Horticulture building on
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campus. That's probably downhill that year, okay, And now this year what
we're seeing and if you drive aroundtown, don't pay attention to the road.
But water oaks, water oaks,I'm also known as maples one or
oaks and maples crashing or crashing.Yes, because I got two elms in
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my backyard, I think I've lostboth of them. And you compound the
drought and the heat we've had thissummer with the abnormally cold weather we've had
the last two winners, they wereleafing out. And also March twentieth when
we have twenty seven eight about thisand you're seeing this canopy thin and you're
seeing die back, you're seeing weakwood. You notice every time we get
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wind now we lose branches out oftree. Well, I was telling the
gentleman from Boffingers when he came outto check on something, I am scared
to death of a herc I meanI always am concerned about hurricanes, but
if we catch any type of strongwind hurricane, I don't know how much
damage is gonna curve because of howbrittle these trees are, because they're so
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dry. And what started this conversationis a fact what you brought up on
the Cypress. Yes, very verynice couple in yesterday and they had a
tree in their front yard. Theyreally needed to save, which I'm not
sure why, because it was it'sa water oak that's been struck by lightning.
What more, what better combination couldyou have? Yes, but I
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told him, I said, geta soaker host. Get a fifty foot
soaker host, roll it, layit out right at the edge of the
drip line, turn it on fortwenty four hours. Yes, right,
right, and do that like oncea week. So the question, to
answer your question, the amount ofrain that we have had is completely insignificant.
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It is not even a drop inthe bucket compared get it the water
reference. Come on, Jeremy,come on, he's asleep in there.
You know it's it's no do notstop watering. And I look at the
drought maps every week. You reallyneed a life. I know two days
ago when the this week's map cameout, the drought in Louisiana was worse
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then nine days ago. You know, even though we've had rain, well
again, we haven't had it,right, I mean we probably if you
total up all the rain at myhouse in the last since we've gotten rainy
again, it's less than an inch, right, right, So yeah,
we were We've gotten a little bitmore in Hammond than that, but we're
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still very bad, and I've beenseeing even since we got rain, I'm
still seeing a Zelus go downhill.Azelius have really gotten bad in the last
two weeks. Yes, they startedabout three to four weeks ago, but
really last two to a week totwo it's been bad. And everybody wants
to cut back in fertilives. No, no, wait, wait, definitely,
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but I'm already seeing a zelus thatwere the first ones to go downhill
with a little smart new grain comingout. That's spray paint. Oh,
oh, that's right. That's whenyou paint your box woods. That's right,
spray paint the box woods that havecanker. That's a great idea.
We're totally off now, we normallyare. I'm surprised. Oh, Jeremy
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left. That's why we even inviteda collar to colly and we haven't.
That's probably why I did that thing. Or that's right, if you would
like to call us cause at fourninety nine nine five two six at US
four ninety nine w JBO. Anotherquestion. Sure, let's see should we
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start planting our fall vegetables now?And if say, what should we be
planting? We are normally in atime period where I would be full bore
fall vegetable planting just early September.You know, you get stuff in and
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start to get it situated. Butagain, because of these weather conditions,
I'm hesitant to really recommend, especiallya lot of your coal crops. Another
again, I enjoy this. Youngerbroccoli, cabbage, cauliflower are not going
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to bolt as easily as more maturecorrect, that's right. Yeah, so
yeah, So what we've been sayingin the last couple of falls early into
winter, some of your cool seedsand vegetables that were planted too early in
late summer early fall, they're notproducing. They're just going into flower,
yeah, which is called bolting,and once once once, especially if you
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have lettuce or some of those typecrosts, once they bolt there there's nothing you
can do. You might as wellpull the plant out let us where we're
eating. The foliage itself becomes verybitter when it bolts. Once your broccoli
cabbage bolt again, they're not goingto There's nothing you can really do to
save the plan at that point.But but again, because of the temperatures
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we're having, because of the lackof rain, I am still telling people
to hold off, I am too, and what I'm telling folks also,
if they're looking at the LSU accentor planning guide or some of the planning
guides that we have at Cleggs,if it says nine one to nine thirty
one, plant toward the end ofthat time instead of the beginning of that
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time. Soil temperature. If we'retalking about seeds, soil temperature can be
a problem with something. Absolutely ifyou're trying to do like carrots or radishes
or even your letters from seed,our soil temperatures are probably still in the
eighties. And you know, lookingat the ten day forecast, we aren't
going to moderate a little bit,but we're gonna still be right at ninety
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or ninety two every day. Sowe had a good fifteen or so minute
discussion about a couple of topics earlier. We got a lot of good information
in there. Unfortunately, probably noone was listening. I bet viewership is
good this morning. Views. Ican feel it. Well. Listenership,
well, I guess, oh wait, we need to get Jeremy to explain
that fancy thing they can do onthe phone way he doesn't have his headphones
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on. I know there's a lineof quote unquote radio shows around Baton Rouge
where you can actually see the theYeah, because they those are high class
studios. Well, we tried thatonce. Okay, the cameras quit.
So what're you gonna do? Whatam I explaining again? Okay, you're
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going to explain that thing where theycan do something weird on their phone and
talk to us. Well, whena mommy phone and a daddy phone love
each other. Very sorry you talkingabout the other weird thing we can do
on the phone. That would bethe talk back Mike, Is that what
you're trying to Yes, okay,if you are listening on our free I
like my like my kids, they'retalk back Mike. Yes, but in
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this case it's not see the kidthat would eat anything? Yes, Mike,
you'll Mike, you'll try it.Yeah. They never put like a
bowl of broken glass or anything infront of them. They really didn't try.
They see weird. Now you're makingme get off on a weird Dan.
What was it? What was it? What was it? They were
trying to get him to eat cereal, Kicks Cereal, I don't remember which
cereal it was. He was KicksKix. No tricks were for kids.
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No, no, no, nottricks, kicks, kicks. I don't
even know what kicks is. It'swell it shoes. If we're talking about
slang, then at a radio stationlocally too. No, no, okay,
no, what where are you today? Where am I back to guarding
everybody? Okay? Come on,well, if you're trying to plant cereal?
No what was I yes to talk? We're punchy today. I don't
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think the caffein's worked on any ofus at all. You see what you
always talk about, how we don'tpark in the right spots. It's not
the right show. I parked ina different spots. The dot doesn't have
his mountain dew. Things aren't quiteright, man. Anyway, an talk
back mike on the iHeart Radio app. If you listen to w JBO and
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the iHeartRadio app, there is ared button. It's like a microphone there
as you're using your hands, Jeremy, it's infected all of us today.
If you tap the talk back Mike, it'll bring up a little recording window
and you can leave a message forus. Like you you know, remember
back in the day when you'd callsomebody and leave a message. Remember when
you call people. I supposed itjust texting them, but you can leave
us a message there and if wesee it, we can maybe possibly play
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it on the air and answer yourquestion. If you'd rather not give us
a call at four ninety nine ninefive two six, you can do that,
Or if you have a question,like say during the week, you
can just leave us a message onthat talk back mike at any time and
we can look at it and seeit on Saturday morning and answer it there.
Wow, I'm also doing the podcasttoo while I'm here, or yes,
okay, since we're talking iHeart app. Every week after this show we
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upload it to the free iHeartRadio app. You can subscribe to the podcast.
If you listen, you'll get notificationswhen a new one pops up. I
get one every week that says,don't fall behind. Then I'm like already
heard it. But if you haven'tyet, you can do that anytime you
want on the iHeartRadio app. It'sreal simple, grab it in your favorite
app store or I do think ifyou haven't try this in a while,
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But like you know those cool smartspeakers everybody has like hey play this,
play that which is looking at likeI just described, I'm still thinking back
to a rotary phone. Well,if you have one of those, you
can still call us at four ninesix. I don't think those work anymore.
Actually, there's something with a technology. You know that was looking at
something the other day about things thathave disappeared. Speaking of cereal, you
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can't get a toy on cereal anymore. You can get a prize then what
what what cereal do they have prizesin anymore? I don't know. I
don't eat that kind of cereal anymore. I eat like, when was the
last time you saw a phone booth. We're all a phone booth now,
aren't saying? But there's no phone? Yeah, the phones are gone.
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And the other thing that I neverrealized was there's no newspaper boxes anymore.
You know, you put a quarterin it and you can open the door
and got a news. They're allempty. They're they're sitting up outside of
the grocery store, but there's nothingin them. Yeah, except now you
have to go inside to get thepaper. Oh, if you're getting your
paper, why wouldn't you get iton your phone? Exactly? It's probably
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why there's no boxes anymore. Yourealize the number of people that are turning
this show off right now, Welcometo the Lawn and Garden and Tangent Show.
You know, if we if wecan stretches out about ninety seconds,
we just go right to the nextbreak. Looking at Mycally, I have
a question. Okay, you're you'retalking about how people need to wait to
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plant their fall plants because it's justconditions are lousy right now. How late
can we go before it's too lateto plant fall plants? That actually is
an excellent question. I didn't seeone of yours, did I know?
A lot of your crops probably midtoo late October? You really want to
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have them in Uh, probably letus maybe a little bit earlier than that
because you can't have some cold issues. A lot of our fall crops are
not susceptible to cold, but someof it carrots, spinach in particular,
those type of things. We havereally got to monitor soil temperatures and if
you plant, if you put carrotsor spinach seeds out right now, you're
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just feeding the birds because there it'stwo soil temperatures are too hot. So
yeah, I would like to seethe gardens in at the latest by the
end of October, when our temperaturesget down to eighty six, Shut up,
Jeremy. And then as far aslandscape plants like trees and shrubs and
fruit trees and fruit bushes and azaleas, and you know, October, November,
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December, January, those are allprime months for getting that done.
So that is when you actually dowant to plant. If I was out
there and I don't understand all thissmart talk stuff, if I just wanted
to get in touch with the show, how would I do it? You
could call us at four ninety nine, ninety five to six out is four
ninety nine w GBO. Cool.Maybe you think that's what Greer did?
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Yes? Should we what he wants? Yes? Why don't we do that?
Okay, good morning Greer. Welcometo WGVS lone and Garden Show.
How may we help you today?Good morning, good morning. My name's
crab Grass. I live South twelveDenham Springs near the a Neat River basin
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the subdivisions that were I've cut alot of grass and all that sort of
stuff. But crab Grass, Igive the subdivisions were built on a scrape
and down to clay and then sprinkleor I'm being a little sarcastic here,
you know, and into topsail,and you know, we know the conditions.
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I have tried. I used towork for LSU, a cultural center,
as a laborer, and that's whereyou really learn. So I've experimented,
if you will, with crab grassindividually, trying to do that.
That stuff is remarkable and if youlook, if you've ever, you can't
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pull them up. If you do, you create a whole. But the
tap root on a crab grass isphenomenal. It thrives in drought, it
drives in rain, it drives.So I give. I live near Cleggs.
Uh, I haven't wanted to.Uh are you trying to eradicate this?
Or what are we trying to do? Yeah? Get rid of it?
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What type of grass do you?What? What is your lawn grass?
It's horrible we had. What areyou trying to grow? Uh?
Right now, just cut weeds.I'm trying to answer your question. Spray
with roundup, Spray with roundup.Well, I want to kill everything.
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Well, that's why I was askingif you were trying to grow a particular
type of grass. Anything to growit has centipee. We satted a whole
yard backyard to spend a lot ofmoney in poor as dark. It is
just overtaken with crabgrass. Okay,there is a shot through. I don't
think it was that great job,Saint Augustine my yard. I'm trying to
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let the centipede groach you. Okay. We have a product called grass beater.
It is a boneide product. Itwas developed by the horticultural industry to
eradicate grass out of shrubbery. Overthe years, it was determined that sprayed
properly, you can actually overspray acentipede lawn which will kill out all other
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grasses, including crab grass. It'snot a one time deal. You will
have to do a couple applications.But again grass beater, you're mix it
with a crop oil, which isan activator, actually does a very good
job. The only thing I wouldsuggest Alan, if you disagree, please
please do Because I'm usually the stupidone here. I would not do that
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right now. I would do thatin the spring because our grass eat what
little grass centipedes you have right nowis very stressed. Herbicides work off of
what we call tolerance levels. Centipedeis more tolerant to this particular chemical than
your crab grass or your other typegrasses you're trying to kill. The problem
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is your centipede is weakened right now, so centipedes tolerance levels for everything is
lower than it normally would. Myfirst thing for you to your first step
for me in your lawn would bein late January early February, spray with
a product called atrazine. Atrazine isan excellent pre emergent control for most grassy
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weeds, so whatever seeds were droppedby the crab grass would be killed.
Crab grass is kind of an interestinggrass, and it lives for two years.
The first year it just grows anddoes its thing. The second year
it actually seeds and that particular plantdies. So by spraying with actressine we
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will kill a majority of those firstyear or the second year seeds. You
will need to repeat that the followingJanuary to kill off the ones that were
one year old this year. Onceyou've done the actressine, once everything is
up and green and growing. Atthat point, that's when I would come
in with the grass beater, whichagain will eradicate a lot of the other
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grasses. The most important thing youdo greer is you go out in your
yard right now, and I woulddo this in both the front and the
backyard. You want to take aboutten to fifteen random samples out of your
front yard, mix it up ina little sandwich bag, do the same
thing in the backyard, run byclegs and get a soil test kit for
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LSU. You'll put those bags,mark them, of course, put them
in there, send them out toLSU. As clay soils as we have
in Denham Springs, your soul pHis probably going to be upper six is
maybe even lower sevens, which isway too high for centipede. So we
probably will need to lower your soilpH with a sulfur product. But yeah,
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you've got a multi step process aheadof you. If you're trying to
save what's there. Again, ifyou have an area of your lawn where
there's nothing but weeds or crab grassor whatever, roundup is your solution because
it will kill everything that's there downto bare ground. You can scrape that
vegetation off and just lay you somegood side on there. But again,
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if you're trying if you have areaswhere there is some centipede actressine. This
January February grass beat probably April ishthan Actressine the following January and get a
soil pH taken. All right,I'm gonna do that. The Actressine is
a very good information. I'll goto Cleig's surrender. So I'll go to
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cleg and I'll take their guidance.All right. One more question, if
the whole subdivision. I was talkingwith one of the neighbors. Oh,
here's them some sarcasm hoa. Andso it's like I'm telling the whole place
is infested if one person. Ifwe don't, it's like getting rid of
ants. You can get rid ofthem on your yard, but if you
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wipe out the whole, if thewhole neighborhood cooperates, how is the neighbor's
yards going to affect my crab grassovergrowth? Well? And if you will
follow the Actressine every January February.The only crab grass spreads more by seeds.
Is not really a runner type grass. So as long as you stay
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on top of your seed production,you can keep your yard healthy. You
know, it's not like torpedo grass. It can run in underground, so
yeah, you can, yes,ideally, and you know there was back
in the eighties nineties, there wassubdivisions that got together to do fire ant
control. That is is the idealway to do it, but it's difficult
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to get h OA or neighbors reallyto coordinate that. So I think just
concentrate on your yard and you'll besuccessful. Take care of my own backyard
first, thanks for the call.Yeah, but carpet grass can be can
be controlled, and that's that's agood thing about it. And uh,
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that's not carpet I'm sorry, Isee, And I was thinking about carpet
grass because carpet grass is a goodaka Louisiana grass is it's a native grass.
It is as native. Yeah,so anyway, yeah, the crayon
grass can be controlled. Do wehave some more topics? Yes? Yes?
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Why did they pick cinnamon distillium astheir LA superplant? Why do they
look what do they look for whenthey pick LA superplants? Okay, so
this fall, the LSU Acts Centerhas named cinnamon girl distillium as a particular
distillium. And uh, cinnamon girlseems to be the distillum that has the
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nicest, most compact habit, smallerfoliage plant. The plant uniformity is good.
People are looking for a substitute forIndian hawthorns and azaleas and dwarf yo
pan and their foundation plannings. SemonGirl distillium works really good in that situation.
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Mostly a full signed plant. It'llgrow okay in light, afternoon shade
tip prone it a couple of timesa year. The new growth is cinnamon
maroon colored, bronze colored, soyou get that nice coloration on the new
growth flushes. No disease, theseissues, no insect issues yet. But
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Cinema Girl has good recognition among thehorticulture industry folks. I mean it's and
I think it has a lot ofpotential for homeowners too, I mean garden
overall. I think the well,several of them are the same. But
the distilliums are very nice plants,especially for what you just set out,
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And there's great replacements for Indian Hawthorne's. Right, you don't get a bloom,
but you know Indian Hawthorne's bloom forlike three days anyway, So maybe
I just did it wrong or something, But to me, the cinnamon girls
seem to be very upright when Iplanted them. Okay, which again personal
opinion here, I find I findthat there will be maintainable at about three
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by three. Yeah, yeah,I could agree with that. What does
the ventus jade and swing load growa little bit more outward? Okay,
all these stuff distillums that are onthe market now have very different growth habit
characteristics. Yeah, so see,I was thinking maybe the swing loader the
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vintage jade because they're a little bitlower and more spreading, might be right.
But they're all good. They're like, like you said, we haven't
yet defined a disease or an insectissue that really they seem to be holding
up decently. You haven't. Ihaven't yet looked at a Cinema Girl distillum
issue. I really haven't. Sobut they'll lets you act center names three
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or four plants a year that arehighly recommended for all. Does it have
anything to do if there's an overstockin the industry, No, they're no,
it's not. And uh, youknow, I wish more garden centers
would get more on board on superplants, clegs and nurtually does a very good
job. We just got in acouple of hundred Cinnamon Girl this week just
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because of that recognition. Real quick, I know we need to go to
break but a lot of the researchfor those super La superplants Louisiana superplants is
done at the Hammond Research Center,right at LSU Research Station. And that's
where I used to work before Icame to work for Clegs and Bracey sand
Uh. Yes, LSU Hammond hasopen houses for the public. They're not
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as well advertised as they used tobe. Provius there. Maybe go to
a website. Yes, the LSUaccenter dot com backslash Hammond Research Station maybe
very well done. And you usedto work there, I apologize. On
the LSU at Center website, youcan find your way through navigation. Let's
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gradually, let's grab Bob real quickbefore we go to this break. Good
morning, Bob, Welcome to wG. Bos On and garden Chef.
How may we help you today?Yeah, I was wondering what is the
fastest growl we border plan good plantalong the fence, Oh as far as
like a hedging type plant, Yeah, something that's gonna high, you know,
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like probably I would think the fastestgrowing would probably be by Burnham,
probably sweet by Burnham. Yeah.I had a bunch of Japanese juice,
but they all turn yellow and die. I don't know why. There's you
know, Japanese use or we're havingactually and it's weird, it's opposite ends
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of the spectrum. We're having alot of issues right now with Japanese use
dying because of the drought. Butthe biggest thing with Japanese use is they
are very, very susceptible to rootrots. So if you have any type
of issue where there's normally a moisturein the area, user, the absolute
worst thing you can put out there, the one little bit of advice,
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and I know we need to getto break but one of the little bit.
If you plant by Burnham, there'sa product called Tree and Shrub Drench.
It's a fertile on product amid acloper. It is a chemical.
The reason why VI Burnham's kind ofwent out of popularity is they're very susceptible
to an insect called a white fly, and the white flies create all sorts
of issues. Mostly they secrete asticky substance that turns the whole plant black.
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If once a year, usually inApril, if you'll apply this amidical
oprid product to the viburnums, youwon't have to worry about that issue.
Other than that, unless we getreally really cold weather. By Burnhams are
one of the best hedges you canuse. What's the name of the tree
and shrub drench. You can pickthat up only at Clegg's Nursery. Okay,
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all right, thank you for yourtime. All right, thank you,
Bob, great phone call. We'vegot a short segment here, but
I want to get in your lastquestion because I think it's important. Oh
boy, my pa wants to plantout peach trees. What do they mean
when they talk about chilling hours?Actually a great question, very timely.
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Just found out yesterday, in fact, that we will be receiving our first
shipment of fruit trees, your peachtrees, peaches, plums, pears,
that type stuff. So it isgetting to be time to do that.
We did get a fresh shipment ofcitrus in last week or the week before.
We finally have set Zuma's back instock. Chillion hours is the number
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of hours the temperature dips below fortytwo degrees Allen five degrees. Okay,
So if you have three hundred hoursof chilling, three hundred chillion hours,
you need the temperature to have beenbelow forty five for three hundred hours,
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which in the baton rouge area isabout three about usually usually baton rouge is
supposed to be in the three hundredto three fifty category. So anytime you
see any type of fruit tree ratherbe a peach like your papa wants to
plant, or plums, apples,or usually have higher chilling hours, that's
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what they mean is we have tohave that temperature below. I thought it's
forty two. Thank you Alan fortyfive for that number of hours. And
what really ticks me off? Ohboy, and I'm sorry, bring over
the soapbox. What's he doing now? Okay, if it's forty five degrees,
if it gets to twenty two anda half, why don't we get
like double time. It doesn't matterwhether it's eighteen or twenty five or point
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five, It just really the coalfeels the same to the tree. Oh
okay, I guess I don't understandthat. But no, that's a great
question. You don't start accumulating chilluntil the plant goes dormant. I did
not know that easy. So lately, chilling used to start accumulating like in
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mid October, late October. Nowchilling doesn't start accumulating to like early mid
Nomember. Fruit trees are not goingdormant as fast as I say used to.
I just this weird weather mess,you know it is? That is
very interesting. So you want tobe so you know, your apples and
your pears and your peaches. Wouldyou really recommend someone planting an apple around
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here? I'm still on the Einsheinerband wagon. I really that's a dorn
good apple. But did you sayapples? I did say apples, But
I mean even that's a chilling fourhundred four and fifty hours. Yeah,
something that range, and you're gonnahave to spray it otherwise you're gonna have
to peel it. I've had applesand pears and they get spots on the
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leaves, but I don't spray them. That's explains a lot. But you
know, blueberries and blackberries have chillinghours. Fake trees have chilling hours,
hostas have chilling hours. A lotof you know, a lot of plants
do have it, and a lotof them are low enough that it's not
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an issue for us. Some plantsactually require a certain amount of dormancy,
right, So yeah, it's it'svery interesting once you get into that kind
of information. I still am goingto tell people plant, citrus plant,
blueberries. Yes, those are somuch easier than Yes, peaches, you're
gonna get peach tree bars. Peachtree average life is seven eight nine years
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if you're lucky. I was goingto say commercial peach orchards, you plan
to replace your tree after seven oreight years, so you really get about
five years of production of them.Anyway, great show, Thank you Anna
Claire once again, another good show, a lot of interesting topics, a
little if anything. We are theindependent. We are the Independent Garden Center
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Saturday morning. Have a good
Good Saturday morning, and welcome tothe WJBO London Garden Show, brought to
you by Cleg's Nursery. Good morning, You're welcome back to w j VOS
London Garden Show. How maybe sorrybloopert number one? Yeah, you want
to start over again? Retake allright? Good morning and welcome to w
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j VOS London Garden Show today.I am here with doctor Alan Owens and
Busch Jews from Cleg's Nursery. Goodmorning, I think I'm leaving. Good
morning, Good morning. I knewit's gonna be bad with my lights flickering
anyway, so I don't know ifI'm coming, if I'm on air,
if I'm not on air. Thatbutton sometimes just not seem to work.
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No, Scott Rick ha brought ascrewdriver once. Only Scott would do that.
I know that you have lots andlots of questions, Anna Claire,
but I have something I would liketo get to first sing this morning,
because we are having a lot ofquestions at the store about it. We
have been inundated once again. Whatlittle brown moss are they out? Yes
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they are. I mowed my grassthe other day for the first time,
and I thought I was going tohave to go get one of those b
suits done because they were just wehave side web worms, ladies and gentlemen.
I guess the drought didn't bother themone bit. I've heard a lot
of lawn insect issues are still outthere. People say they still have chinch
(01:38):
bugs, but I think there's otherthings going on too. I haven't seen
chinch bugs. We were getting themin was it July? We were getting
quite a few cases of chinch bugs. What I'm seeing right now though,
is sod web worms. And theyhave really been the last ten years.
Not every year do we have them, but we have them more years than
we don't. Right. It's interesting. In fact, I actually am going
(02:01):
to ask some legitimate questions for once, but I want your opinion on this.
Johnny feels like their range has extendedfurther north. It used to be
that the cold weather would kill thembecause it is a tropical insect and would
kill them back and you know theymight be south of New Orleans. I'm
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just throwing out where now, heand so it would take longer for them
to get up to Baton Rouge.He feels like that line is now definitely,
maybe even as far As Gonzalez,because we are getting them almost every
year plus what we seem to begetting them earlier. So I mean your
opinion, now, I think that'sa very good concept there. I mean,
(02:45):
we have had a little bit ofmajor cold every winter, right,
which but that does not necessarily killthe entire population of a certain insect.
And so I think we're just buildingnumbers a year year. They're overwintering more
successfully. We don't see side webworms and Swepordham Monroe once in a while,
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a little bit in Alexandria, butit's mainly the Interstate ten corridor.
And to my knowledge, did wehave these much fifteen years? Oh yeah,
you know, I don't remember beforeI got to Clex, right,
you know, which is seven eightyears ago. And I just remember when
I was still at LSU, theyreally started being bad, okay. And
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I mean we would just get lawnpictures in from nice green lawns to one
or two days later, like armyworms came through. But it's not army
worms, it's side web worms.The first year that we had it really
bad, five or six years ago, we thought it was army until it
started seeing the moss. Yes,and that's one of the things. The
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moth is not the problem. Thelarva that is the problem. I understand.
People come in and go, Igot it. They're all up in
all these moss up in my bushes. What what am I do? They're
the moss move And if I'm incorrect, please correct me. But I was
under the impressions a moss move intoshrubbery during the day is because it's a
little bit cooler. Sure that protectedcanopy and they don't want birds eating them.
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Yeah, that's true too. Soif you really want to, you
know, if you really are aggravatedby I'm come by, get the bug
blaster ready to spray, and gospray your bushes in the middle of the
day. I'll make you feel better. But it's really that's not where we
want to solve the problem. I'mgonna say, we want to treat the
lawn area. If you have themoss, and again your input out and
(04:47):
I suggest spray. Spraying is quickerkill. You're gonna get a whole lot
quicker action. And we don't wantto let these go a long time because
our lawns are well said, hesaid, two days, yes, right,
right, Yeah, So spraying isinstant if you you know what,
I haven't really seen any moss,but I'm I'm concerned what you need to
(05:10):
be. That's when we want touse the granule, or more we put
the granule out, we water it. This is interesting. I don't even
know how long ago, but Inever really realized why we water when we
put out a fertilizer, or whenwe put out an insecticide granule, even
a fungicide granule. I never reallyrealized that what you see when you pick
(05:34):
up the bag is carrier exactly.Yes, I don't carry on just a
very very small percentage active ingredient that'sgoing to do the job on your disease
or insect that you have out there. And what you're doing by watering is
you're washing that, you know,that little small thing, very nice,
you're starting to use your hands onradio two, very small amount of chemical
(05:55):
you're washing it off so it becomesactive. So anyway, that was something,
like I said, for some reason, I know, I know why,
I'm not gonna get but it wasinteresting going through the process and all
the different things that they use ascarriers right right you can. I mean
some of them they use sand,they use clay particles. Some of them
use vermiculate I believe. So there'sall sorts and this is kind of but
(06:19):
that depends whatever carrier they're using.That depends the size of the bag,
depends on the carrier, right,But anyway, we do have excessive damage
with sideweb worms. They are runningthrough. The other negative, if you
can get come up with another negativefor side web worms is a fact that
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they don't care what type of grassare eating. It's on all you can
eat buffet across spaces, unlike thechinch bug that if you have centipede,
you don't have to worry about it. But with side web worms, it
can even be one of the weedgrass. And pay attention on what your
neighbor's lawns look like. And payattention when you're mowing the grass. Are
you seeing these these moss flying upat you. It's it's easy to diagnose
(07:02):
once you understand the problem. It'svery easy too. I was going to
say something, but I've completely forgotstill early in the morning. Yeah,
okay, we kind of got offof that soap box. Do you have
a question, ma'am? I do. Why did I know that? Because
they always because you always do.That's it. We have finally gotten some
(07:24):
rain, so can we quit watering? We've gotten rain. We've gotten rain
there, there's isolated rain out there. The other day it rained four to
six inches around New Orleans. Yes, and you know how much Baton Rouge
got badly squat. Yeah. Okay, and so you know they're they're showers,
(07:45):
but we are still on a waterdeficit. Well, and not only
that, but we had rain airquotes yesterday by our house we had less
than a tenth of an inch,that's you know, and it came like
within like five minutes. You know, your plants on your soil lose at
least a tenth of an inch ofwater per day during this time of year.
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That's very interesting. Yeah, Igot a serious question for you,
and oh my no, I mean, I really do enjoy when you're on
because you actually are intelligent, asopposed to the thank you, thank you.
But no, I have read andheard the amount of moisture a mature
tree pulls out of the ground.It is I don't know if you know,
(08:31):
I don't remember that, I don'tvolume, but it is huge.
The other day, somebody asked meabout their ball cypress tree, and they
want to put about five gallons ofwater on their ball cypress tree twice a
week. And I said, well, why don't you think about starting with
fifty or one hundred gallons of waterout the drip line three times a week.
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And this was two weeks ago.But you can notice all the balls
cipers around town, or many ofthem have their fall foliage collar are already
defoliating. The the foliage is droppingflage and uh so well, and I
was I talked to a gentleman fromBoffingers. I will give them a plug,
excellent, excellent tree company. Andhe was saying, the cypress are
(09:18):
gonna be okay. He said,they're they're they're defilating. They're gonna be
just fine. Their biggest concern isthe oak trees. And he reminded me
about fifteen years ago we had asimilar type drought and he said, think
about how many white oaks do yousee in Baton Rouge anymore? He said
they all about fifteen years ago welost almost by the LSU Horticulture building on
(09:43):
campus. That's probably downhill that year, okay, And now this year what
we're seeing and if you drive aroundtown, don't pay attention to the road.
But water oaks, water oaks,I'm also known as maples one or
oaks and maples crashing or crashing.Yes, because I got two elms in
(10:05):
my backyard, I think I've lostboth of them. And you compound the
drought and the heat we've had thissummer with the abnormally cold weather we've had
the last two winners, they wereleafing out. And also March twentieth when
we have twenty seven eight about thisand you're seeing this canopy thin and you're
seeing die back, you're seeing weakwood. You notice every time we get
(10:28):
wind now we lose branches out oftree. Well, I was telling the
gentleman from Boffingers when he came outto check on something, I am scared
to death of a herc I meanI always am concerned about hurricanes, but
if we catch any type of strongwind hurricane, I don't know how much
damage is gonna curve because of howbrittle these trees are, because they're so
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dry. And what started this conversationis a fact what you brought up on
the Cypress. Yes, very verynice couple in yesterday and they had a
tree in their front yard. Theyreally needed to save, which I'm not
sure why, because it was it'sa water oak that's been struck by lightning.
What more, what better combination couldyou have? Yes, but I
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told him, I said, geta soaker host. Get a fifty foot
soaker host, roll it, layit out right at the edge of the
drip line, turn it on fortwenty four hours. Yes, right,
right, and do that like oncea week. So the question, to
answer your question, the amount ofrain that we have had is completely insignificant.
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It is not even a drop inthe bucket compared get it the water
reference. Come on, Jeremy,come on, he's asleep in there.
You know it's it's no do notstop watering. And I look at the
drought maps every week. You reallyneed a life. I know two days
ago when the this week's map cameout, the drought in Louisiana was worse
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then nine days ago. You know, even though we've had rain, well
again, we haven't had it,right, I mean we probably if you
total up all the rain at myhouse in the last since we've gotten rainy
again, it's less than an inch, right, right, So yeah,
we were We've gotten a little bitmore in Hammond than that, but we're
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still very bad, and I've beenseeing even since we got rain, I'm
still seeing a Zelus go downhill.Azelius have really gotten bad in the last
two weeks. Yes, they startedabout three to four weeks ago, but
really last two to a week totwo it's been bad. And everybody wants
to cut back in fertilives. No, no, wait, wait, definitely,
(12:39):
but I'm already seeing a zelus thatwere the first ones to go downhill
with a little smart new grain comingout. That's spray paint. Oh,
oh, that's right. That's whenyou paint your box woods. That's right,
spray paint the box woods that havecanker. That's a great idea.
We're totally off now, we normallyare. I'm surprised. Oh, Jeremy
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left. That's why we even inviteda collar to colly and we haven't.
That's probably why I did that thing. Or that's right, if you would
like to call us cause at fourninety nine nine five two six at US
four ninety nine w JBO. Anotherquestion. Sure, let's see should we
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start planting our fall vegetables now?And if say, what should we be
planting? We are normally in atime period where I would be full bore
fall vegetable planting just early September.You know, you get stuff in and
(13:46):
start to get it situated. Butagain, because of these weather conditions,
I'm hesitant to really recommend, especiallya lot of your coal crops. Another
again, I enjoy this. Youngerbroccoli, cabbage, cauliflower are not going
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to bolt as easily as more maturecorrect, that's right. Yeah, so
yeah, So what we've been sayingin the last couple of falls early into
winter, some of your cool seedsand vegetables that were planted too early in
late summer early fall, they're notproducing. They're just going into flower,
yeah, which is called bolting,and once once once, especially if you
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have lettuce or some of those typecrosts, once they bolt there there's nothing you
can do. You might as wellpull the plant out let us where we're
eating. The foliage itself becomes verybitter when it bolts. Once your broccoli
cabbage bolt again, they're not goingto There's nothing you can really do to
save the plan at that point.But but again, because of the temperatures
(14:54):
we're having, because of the lackof rain, I am still telling people
to hold off, I am too, and what I'm telling folks also,
if they're looking at the LSU accentor planning guide or some of the planning
guides that we have at Cleggs,if it says nine one to nine thirty
one, plant toward the end ofthat time instead of the beginning of that
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time. Soil temperature. If we'retalking about seeds, soil temperature can be
a problem with something. Absolutely ifyou're trying to do like carrots or radishes
or even your letters from seed,our soil temperatures are probably still in the
eighties. And you know, lookingat the ten day forecast, we aren't
going to moderate a little bit,but we're gonna still be right at ninety
(15:39):
or ninety two every day. Sowe had a good fifteen or so minute
discussion about a couple of topics earlier. We got a lot of good information
in there. Unfortunately, probably noone was listening. I bet viewership is
good this morning. Views. Ican feel it. Well. Listenership,
well, I guess, oh wait, we need to get Jeremy to explain
that fancy thing they can do onthe phone way he doesn't have his headphones
(16:02):
on. I know there's a lineof quote unquote radio shows around Baton Rouge
where you can actually see the theYeah, because they those are high class
studios. Well, we tried thatonce. Okay, the cameras quit.
So what're you gonna do? Whatam I explaining again? Okay, you're
(16:23):
going to explain that thing where theycan do something weird on their phone and
talk to us. Well, whena mommy phone and a daddy phone love
each other. Very sorry you talkingabout the other weird thing we can do
on the phone. That would bethe talk back Mike, Is that what
you're trying to Yes, okay,if you are listening on our free I
like my like my kids, they'retalk back Mike. Yes, but in
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this case it's not see the kidthat would eat anything? Yes, Mike,
you'll Mike, you'll try it.Yeah. They never put like a
bowl of broken glass or anything infront of them. They really didn't try.
They see weird. Now you're makingme get off on a weird Dan.
What was it? What was it? What was it? They were
trying to get him to eat cereal, Kicks Cereal, I don't remember which
cereal it was. He was KicksKix. No tricks were for kids.
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No, no, no, nottricks, kicks, kicks. I don't
even know what kicks is. It'swell it shoes. If we're talking about
slang, then at a radio stationlocally too. No, no, okay,
no, what where are you today? Where am I back to guarding
everybody? Okay? Come on,well, if you're trying to plant cereal?
No what was I yes to talk? We're punchy today. I don't
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think the caffein's worked on any ofus at all. You see what you
always talk about, how we don'tpark in the right spots. It's not
the right show. I parked ina different spots. The dot doesn't have
his mountain dew. Things aren't quiteright, man. Anyway, an talk
back mike on the iHeart Radio app. If you listen to w JBO and
(17:52):
the iHeartRadio app, there is ared button. It's like a microphone there
as you're using your hands, Jeremy, it's infected all of us today.
If you tap the talk back Mike, it'll bring up a little recording window
and you can leave a message forus. Like you you know, remember
back in the day when you'd callsomebody and leave a message. Remember when
you call people. I supposed itjust texting them, but you can leave
us a message there and if wesee it, we can maybe possibly play
(18:15):
it on the air and answer yourquestion. If you'd rather not give us
a call at four ninety nine ninefive two six, you can do that,
Or if you have a question,like say during the week, you
can just leave us a message onthat talk back mike at any time and
we can look at it and seeit on Saturday morning and answer it there.
Wow, I'm also doing the podcasttoo while I'm here, or yes,
okay, since we're talking iHeart app. Every week after this show we
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upload it to the free iHeartRadio app. You can subscribe to the podcast.
If you listen, you'll get notificationswhen a new one pops up. I
get one every week that says,don't fall behind. Then I'm like already
heard it. But if you haven'tyet, you can do that anytime you
want on the iHeartRadio app. It'sreal simple, grab it in your favorite
app store or I do think ifyou haven't try this in a while,
(19:00):
But like you know those cool smartspeakers everybody has like hey play this,
play that which is looking at likeI just described, I'm still thinking back
to a rotary phone. Well,if you have one of those, you
can still call us at four ninesix. I don't think those work anymore.
Actually, there's something with a technology. You know that was looking at
something the other day about things thathave disappeared. Speaking of cereal, you
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can't get a toy on cereal anymore. You can get a prize then what
what what cereal do they have prizesin anymore? I don't know. I
don't eat that kind of cereal anymore. I eat like, when was the
last time you saw a phone booth. We're all a phone booth now,
aren't saying? But there's no phone? Yeah, the phones are gone.
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And the other thing that I neverrealized was there's no newspaper boxes anymore.
You know, you put a quarterin it and you can open the door
and got a news. They're allempty. They're they're sitting up outside of
the grocery store, but there's nothingin them. Yeah, except now you
have to go inside to get thepaper. Oh, if you're getting your
paper, why wouldn't you get iton your phone? Exactly? It's probably
(20:04):
why there's no boxes anymore. Yourealize the number of people that are turning
this show off right now, Welcometo the Lawn and Garden and Tangent Show.
You know, if we if wecan stretches out about ninety seconds,
we just go right to the nextbreak. Looking at Mycally, I have
a question. Okay, you're you'retalking about how people need to wait to
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plant their fall plants because it's justconditions are lousy right now. How late
can we go before it's too lateto plant fall plants? That actually is
an excellent question. I didn't seeone of yours, did I know?
A lot of your crops probably midtoo late October? You really want to
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have them in Uh, probably letus maybe a little bit earlier than that
because you can't have some cold issues. A lot of our fall crops are
not susceptible to cold, but someof it carrots, spinach in particular,
those type of things. We havereally got to monitor soil temperatures and if
you plant, if you put carrotsor spinach seeds out right now, you're
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just feeding the birds because there it'stwo soil temperatures are too hot. So
yeah, I would like to seethe gardens in at the latest by the
end of October, when our temperaturesget down to eighty six, Shut up,
Jeremy. And then as far aslandscape plants like trees and shrubs and
fruit trees and fruit bushes and azaleas, and you know, October, November,
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December, January, those are allprime months for getting that done.
So that is when you actually dowant to plant. If I was out
there and I don't understand all thissmart talk stuff, if I just wanted
to get in touch with the show, how would I do it? You
could call us at four ninety nine, ninety five to six out is four
ninety nine w GBO. Cool.Maybe you think that's what Greer did?
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Yes? Should we what he wants? Yes? Why don't we do that?
Okay, good morning Greer. Welcometo WGVS lone and Garden Show.
How may we help you today?Good morning, good morning. My name's
crab Grass. I live South twelveDenham Springs near the a Neat River basin
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the subdivisions that were I've cut alot of grass and all that sort of
stuff. But crab Grass, Igive the subdivisions were built on a scrape
and down to clay and then sprinkleor I'm being a little sarcastic here,
you know, and into topsail,and you know, we know the conditions.
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I have tried. I used towork for LSU, a cultural center,
as a laborer, and that's whereyou really learn. So I've experimented,
if you will, with crab grassindividually, trying to do that.
That stuff is remarkable and if youlook, if you've ever, you can't
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pull them up. If you do, you create a whole. But the
tap root on a crab grass isphenomenal. It thrives in drought, it
drives in rain, it drives.So I give. I live near Cleggs.
Uh, I haven't wanted to.Uh are you trying to eradicate this?
Or what are we trying to do? Yeah? Get rid of it?
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What type of grass do you?What? What is your lawn grass?
It's horrible we had. What areyou trying to grow? Uh?
Right now, just cut weeds.I'm trying to answer your question. Spray
with roundup, Spray with roundup.Well, I want to kill everything.
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Well, that's why I was askingif you were trying to grow a particular
type of grass. Anything to growit has centipee. We satted a whole
yard backyard to spend a lot ofmoney in poor as dark. It is
just overtaken with crabgrass. Okay,there is a shot through. I don't
think it was that great job,Saint Augustine my yard. I'm trying to
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let the centipede groach you. Okay. We have a product called grass beater.
It is a boneide product. Itwas developed by the horticultural industry to
eradicate grass out of shrubbery. Overthe years, it was determined that sprayed
properly, you can actually overspray acentipede lawn which will kill out all other
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grasses, including crab grass. It'snot a one time deal. You will
have to do a couple applications.But again grass beater, you're mix it
with a crop oil, which isan activator, actually does a very good
job. The only thing I wouldsuggest Alan, if you disagree, please
please do Because I'm usually the stupidone here. I would not do that
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right now. I would do thatin the spring because our grass eat what
little grass centipedes you have right nowis very stressed. Herbicides work off of
what we call tolerance levels. Centipedeis more tolerant to this particular chemical than
your crab grass or your other typegrasses you're trying to kill. The problem
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is your centipede is weakened right now, so centipedes tolerance levels for everything is
lower than it normally would. Myfirst thing for you to your first step
for me in your lawn would bein late January early February, spray with
a product called atrazine. Atrazine isan excellent pre emergent control for most grassy
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weeds, so whatever seeds were droppedby the crab grass would be killed.
Crab grass is kind of an interestinggrass, and it lives for two years.
The first year it just grows anddoes its thing. The second year
it actually seeds and that particular plantdies. So by spraying with actressine we
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will kill a majority of those firstyear or the second year seeds. You
will need to repeat that the followingJanuary to kill off the ones that were
one year old this year. Onceyou've done the actressine, once everything is
up and green and growing. Atthat point, that's when I would come
in with the grass beater, whichagain will eradicate a lot of the other
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grasses. The most important thing youdo greer is you go out in your
yard right now, and I woulddo this in both the front and the
backyard. You want to take aboutten to fifteen random samples out of your
front yard, mix it up ina little sandwich bag, do the same
thing in the backyard, run byclegs and get a soil test kit for
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LSU. You'll put those bags,mark them, of course, put them
in there, send them out toLSU. As clay soils as we have
in Denham Springs, your soul pHis probably going to be upper six is
maybe even lower sevens, which isway too high for centipede. So we
probably will need to lower your soilpH with a sulfur product. But yeah,
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you've got a multi step process aheadof you. If you're trying to
save what's there. Again, ifyou have an area of your lawn where
there's nothing but weeds or crab grassor whatever, roundup is your solution because
it will kill everything that's there downto bare ground. You can scrape that
vegetation off and just lay you somegood side on there. But again,
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if you're trying if you have areaswhere there is some centipede actressine. This
January February grass beat probably April ishthan Actressine the following January and get a
soil pH taken. All right,I'm gonna do that. The Actressine is
a very good information. I'll goto Cleig's surrender. So I'll go to
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cleg and I'll take their guidance.All right. One more question, if
the whole subdivision. I was talkingwith one of the neighbors. Oh,
here's them some sarcasm hoa. Andso it's like I'm telling the whole place
is infested if one person. Ifwe don't, it's like getting rid of
ants. You can get rid ofthem on your yard, but if you
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wipe out the whole, if thewhole neighborhood cooperates, how is the neighbor's
yards going to affect my crab grassovergrowth? Well? And if you will
follow the Actressine every January February.The only crab grass spreads more by seeds.
Is not really a runner type grass. So as long as you stay
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on top of your seed production,you can keep your yard healthy. You
know, it's not like torpedo grass. It can run in underground, so
yeah, you can, yes,ideally, and you know there was back
in the eighties nineties, there wassubdivisions that got together to do fire ant
control. That is is the idealway to do it, but it's difficult
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to get h OA or neighbors reallyto coordinate that. So I think just
concentrate on your yard and you'll besuccessful. Take care of my own backyard
first, thanks for the call.Yeah, but carpet grass can be can
be controlled, and that's that's agood thing about it. And uh,
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that's not carpet I'm sorry, Isee, And I was thinking about carpet
grass because carpet grass is a goodaka Louisiana grass is it's a native grass.
It is as native. Yeah,so anyway, yeah, the crayon
grass can be controlled. Do wehave some more topics? Yes? Yes?
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Why did they pick cinnamon distillium astheir LA superplant? Why do they
look what do they look for whenthey pick LA superplants? Okay, so
this fall, the LSU Acts Centerhas named cinnamon girl distillium as a particular
distillium. And uh, cinnamon girlseems to be the distillum that has the
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nicest, most compact habit, smallerfoliage plant. The plant uniformity is good.
People are looking for a substitute forIndian hawthorns and azaleas and dwarf yo
pan and their foundation plannings. SemonGirl distillium works really good in that situation.
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Mostly a full signed plant. It'llgrow okay in light, afternoon shade
tip prone it a couple of timesa year. The new growth is cinnamon
maroon colored, bronze colored, soyou get that nice coloration on the new
growth flushes. No disease, theseissues, no insect issues yet. But
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Cinema Girl has good recognition among thehorticulture industry folks. I mean it's and
I think it has a lot ofpotential for homeowners too, I mean garden
overall. I think the well,several of them are the same. But
the distilliums are very nice plants,especially for what you just set out,
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And there's great replacements for Indian Hawthorne's. Right, you don't get a bloom,
but you know Indian Hawthorne's bloom forlike three days anyway, So maybe
I just did it wrong or something, But to me, the cinnamon girls
seem to be very upright when Iplanted them. Okay, which again personal
opinion here, I find I findthat there will be maintainable at about three
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by three. Yeah, yeah,I could agree with that. What does
the ventus jade and swing load growa little bit more outward? Okay,
all these stuff distillums that are onthe market now have very different growth habit
characteristics. Yeah, so see,I was thinking maybe the swing loader the
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vintage jade because they're a little bitlower and more spreading, might be right.
But they're all good. They're like, like you said, we haven't
yet defined a disease or an insectissue that really they seem to be holding
up decently. You haven't. Ihaven't yet looked at a Cinema Girl distillum
issue. I really haven't. Sobut they'll lets you act center names three
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or four plants a year that arehighly recommended for all. Does it have
anything to do if there's an overstockin the industry, No, they're no,
it's not. And uh, youknow, I wish more garden centers
would get more on board on superplants, clegs and nurtually does a very good
job. We just got in acouple of hundred Cinnamon Girl this week just
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because of that recognition. Real quick, I know we need to go to
break but a lot of the researchfor those super La superplants Louisiana superplants is
done at the Hammond Research Center,right at LSU Research Station. And that's
where I used to work before Icame to work for Clegs and Bracey sand
Uh. Yes, LSU Hammond hasopen houses for the public. They're not
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as well advertised as they used tobe. Provius there. Maybe go to
a website. Yes, the LSUaccenter dot com backslash Hammond Research Station maybe
very well done. And you usedto work there, I apologize. On
the LSU at Center website, youcan find your way through navigation. Let's
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gradually, let's grab Bob real quickbefore we go to this break. Good
morning, Bob, Welcome to wG. Bos On and garden Chef.
How may we help you today?Yeah, I was wondering what is the
fastest growl we border plan good plantalong the fence, Oh as far as
like a hedging type plant, Yeah, something that's gonna high, you know,
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like probably I would think the fastestgrowing would probably be by Burnham,
probably sweet by Burnham. Yeah.I had a bunch of Japanese juice,
but they all turn yellow and die. I don't know why. There's you
know, Japanese use or we're havingactually and it's weird, it's opposite ends
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of the spectrum. We're having alot of issues right now with Japanese use
dying because of the drought. Butthe biggest thing with Japanese use is they
are very, very susceptible to rootrots. So if you have any type
of issue where there's normally a moisturein the area, user, the absolute
worst thing you can put out there, the one little bit of advice,
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and I know we need to getto break but one of the little bit.
If you plant by Burnham, there'sa product called Tree and Shrub Drench.
It's a fertile on product amid acloper. It is a chemical.
The reason why VI Burnham's kind ofwent out of popularity is they're very susceptible
to an insect called a white fly, and the white flies create all sorts
of issues. Mostly they secrete asticky substance that turns the whole plant black.
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If once a year, usually inApril, if you'll apply this amidical
oprid product to the viburnums, youwon't have to worry about that issue.
Other than that, unless we getreally really cold weather. By Burnhams are
one of the best hedges you canuse. What's the name of the tree
and shrub drench. You can pickthat up only at Clegg's Nursery. Okay,
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all right, thank you for yourtime. All right, thank you,
Bob, great phone call. We'vegot a short segment here, but
I want to get in your lastquestion because I think it's important. Oh
boy, my pa wants to plantout peach trees. What do they mean
when they talk about chilling hours?Actually a great question, very timely.
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Just found out yesterday, in fact, that we will be receiving our first
shipment of fruit trees, your peachtrees, peaches, plums, pears,
that type stuff. So it isgetting to be time to do that.
We did get a fresh shipment ofcitrus in last week or the week before.
We finally have set Zuma's back instock. Chillion hours is the number
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of hours the temperature dips below fortytwo degrees Allen five degrees. Okay,
So if you have three hundred hoursof chilling, three hundred chillion hours,
you need the temperature to have beenbelow forty five for three hundred hours,
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which in the baton rouge area isabout three about usually usually baton rouge is
supposed to be in the three hundredto three fifty category. So anytime you
see any type of fruit tree ratherbe a peach like your papa wants to
plant, or plums, apples,or usually have higher chilling hours, that's
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what they mean is we have tohave that temperature below. I thought it's
forty two. Thank you Alan fortyfive for that number of hours. And
what really ticks me off? Ohboy, and I'm sorry, bring over
the soapbox. What's he doing now? Okay, if it's forty five degrees,
if it gets to twenty two anda half, why don't we get
like double time. It doesn't matterwhether it's eighteen or twenty five or point
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five, It just really the coalfeels the same to the tree. Oh
okay, I guess I don't understandthat. But no, that's a great
question. You don't start accumulating chilluntil the plant goes dormant. I did
not know that easy. So lately, chilling used to start accumulating like in
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mid October, late October. Nowchilling doesn't start accumulating to like early mid
Nomember. Fruit trees are not goingdormant as fast as I say used to.
I just this weird weather mess,you know it is? That is
very interesting. So you want tobe so you know, your apples and
your pears and your peaches. Wouldyou really recommend someone planting an apple around
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here? I'm still on the Einsheinerband wagon. I really that's a dorn
good apple. But did you sayapples? I did say apples, But
I mean even that's a chilling fourhundred four and fifty hours. Yeah,
something that range, and you're gonnahave to spray it otherwise you're gonna have
to peel it. I've had applesand pears and they get spots on the
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leaves, but I don't spray them. That's explains a lot. But you
know, blueberries and blackberries have chillinghours. Fake trees have chilling hours,
hostas have chilling hours. A lotof you know, a lot of plants
do have it, and a lotof them are low enough that it's not
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an issue for us. Some plantsactually require a certain amount of dormancy,
right, So yeah, it's it'svery interesting once you get into that kind
of information. I still am goingto tell people plant, citrus plant,
blueberries. Yes, those are somuch easier than Yes, peaches, you're
gonna get peach tree bars. Peachtree average life is seven eight nine years
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if you're lucky. I was goingto say commercial peach orchards, you plan
to replace your tree after seven oreight years, so you really get about
five years of production of them.Anyway, great show, Thank you Anna
Claire once again, another good show, a lot of interesting topics, a
little if anything. We are theindependent. We are the Independent Garden Center
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in Baton Ridge. We are hereevery Saturday morning from eight o'clock to nine
o'clock to hopefully entertain and answer someof your questions. Again, we will
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