#370 The Integral Path w/ Paul Chek

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All right, y'all, we have a very, very special guest, the return of the great Paul Cech.

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.998And even though I've had Paul on this podcast more than any other guest and that will continue to be the case, this one is a unique one. 3 00:00:11,499.999 --> 00:00:15,669.999 First and foremost, this is the longest podcast I've ever run on the podcast, which is cool. 4 00:00:16,474.999 --> 00:00:17,384.999 Take it in chunks. 5 00:00:17,484.999 --> 00:00:25,364.998 I, I, you know, if I have a long podcast on Rogans or something, I take it in chunks, 45 minute drive, hour long hike with the dogs, whatever it is, just piece this one together. 6 00:00:25,364.998 --> 00:00:27,324.998 Trust me, it's worth getting all the way through the end. 7 00:00:27,334.999 --> 00:00:37,564.999 There's a lot of gems in here and the reason there's a lot of gems because Paul has for the last 10 years been busting his ass to put together his life's work and that life's work is called spirit gym. 8 00:00:38,334.999 --> 00:01:12,34.999 Spirit Gym is a book, uh, it'll be out on ebook here very shortly, the first volume, and then as they get these printed out one at a time, each of these volumes will come out one at a time, and then there'll be a box set at the very end of it, but what's cool is there is a workbook, and we speak to the practicality of Paul's work through things like the last four doctors you'll ever need, uh, how to eat, move, and be healthy, You know, as heady and, and deep as this conversation gets, there's always practical things that Paul's able to distill down in how we actually practice working in spirit gym. 9 00:01:12,734.998 --> 00:01:16,164.999 Uh, I've joined his community and I think it was one of the best decisions I've ever made. 10 00:01:16,174.999 --> 00:01:17,844.998 I think everyone in that community agrees. 11 00:01:17,844.999 --> 00:01:19,4.999 It is absolutely incredible. 12 00:01:19,664.998 --> 00:01:22,24.999 And we're going to give you a 15 percent off discount code. 13 00:01:22,24.999 --> 00:01:24,564.999 It's Kyle 15 at my spirit gym. 14 00:01:24,754.999 --> 00:01:25,54.999 com. 15 00:01:25,54.999 --> 00:01:26,214.999 So that'll be in the show notes. 16 00:01:26,214.999 --> 00:01:27,944.999 This is, this is his life's work. 17 00:01:27,954.999 --> 00:01:28,984.999 There's no two ways about it. 18 00:01:29,24.999 --> 00:01:33,784.999 It's really cool to see what he's put together and the passion and effort he's put into this. 19 00:01:33,814.999 --> 00:01:35,234.999 You can tell right from the jump. 20 00:01:35,244.999 --> 00:01:40,544.999 Another thing that's, that's incredible is the artwork that Paul has in here. 21 00:01:40,564.999 --> 00:01:47,24.999 I mean, it's like spirit served him the perfect artist and the artwork I mentioned on this podcast, but it is. 22 00:01:47,639.999 --> 00:01:51,89.999 Unlocking within things that I can't even put into words. 23 00:01:51,119.999 --> 00:01:57,279.999 And I think that that's the beauty when we think about Jung's symbols versus signs, that symbols go beyond language. 24 00:01:57,859.999 --> 00:02:01,889.998 Symbols have an infinite number of meanings that can be drawn from it. 25 00:02:01,909.999 --> 00:02:03,229.999 Whereas signs do not. 26 00:02:04,9.999 --> 00:02:09,554.899 And he uses many symbols, both through art as well as through language to really understand. 27 00:02:09,924.999 --> 00:02:14,744.999 decode the meaning of life and how we best serve ourselves and serve humanity in turn. 28 00:02:15,374.999 --> 00:02:29,719.999 And I think that's phenomenal because in a lot of the spiritual game, what you'll find is, maybe a decent understanding of how things work or a decent understanding of Of different practices that can help, but they always seem to lack a certain sense of practicality. 29 00:02:29,719.999 --> 00:02:32,599.999 And I think that's one of the best things that Paul delivers through this. 30 00:02:33,9.998 --> 00:02:44,199.999 Um, all of these practices from coding the unconscious mind via song to, uh, heart harmonizing, when we enter into a song, uh, have been absolutely game changing just in and of itself. 31 00:02:44,219.999 --> 00:02:45,629.999 These very basic practices. 32 00:02:46,79.999 --> 00:02:52,429.999 That are a part of a spirit gym have already started to trickle in and affect me in a positive way. 33 00:02:52,479.999 --> 00:02:56,129.999 You know, my life has changed in the two weeks that I've been a part of that. 34 00:02:56,579.999 --> 00:02:58,279.999 Uh, and I think it's incredible. 35 00:02:58,289.999 --> 00:03:00,379.999 So I loved getting to have Paul on this for this one. 36 00:03:00,379.999 --> 00:03:01,99.999 I didn't want to wait. 37 00:03:01,109.998 --> 00:03:03,959.998 I said, right when spirit gym launches, I got to have them podcast again. 38 00:03:04,619.999 --> 00:03:05,959.998 And then what's great is., 39 00:03:06,744.999 --> 00:03:10,414.999 because I've had the ability to read through ahead of most people into his book. 40 00:03:10,934.999 --> 00:03:15,694.999 I also know some of the stuff that's to come and, uh, Paul's going to come out here to Austin. 41 00:03:15,694.999 --> 00:03:17,84.999 We're going to do one face to face. 42 00:03:17,84.999 --> 00:03:24,484.999 And when we do one face to face, I will actually dive into quite a bit of the teachings, uh, on a deeper level and really unpack some of that. 43 00:03:24,484.999 --> 00:03:30,544.999 And it's weird because, you know, you do, I do three hours with this podcast with Paul and I could feel it in my body. 44 00:03:30,614.999 --> 00:03:32,224.999 I just podcasted for three hours. 45 00:03:32,614.999 --> 00:03:33,624.999 and at the same time. 46 00:03:33,914.999 --> 00:03:38,214.999 I again feel like I was just on the tip of the iceberg and I know I was on the tip of the iceberg with Paul. 47 00:03:38,894.999 --> 00:03:40,954.999 It is, uh, it's his life's work. 48 00:03:40,954.999 --> 00:03:42,174.998 And there's no two ways about that. 49 00:03:42,174.999 --> 00:03:43,44.998 You'll come to understand it. 50 00:03:43,74.999 --> 00:03:46,414.999 You can hear it here in this podcast, uh, and catch a glimpse of that. 51 00:03:46,484.999 --> 00:03:48,974.999 But, I highly recommend people head over to MySpiritGym. 52 00:03:49,14.999 --> 00:03:49,364.999 com. 53 00:03:49,964.999 --> 00:03:53,24.999 And check out his offering there because it is bananas and well worth every penny. 54 00:03:53,764.999 --> 00:03:54,64.999 All right. 55 00:03:54,74.999 --> 00:03:59,864.999 Support this podcast by sharing with friends, leave us a five star rating with one or two ways the shows helped you out in life and support our sponsors. 56 00:03:59,864.999 --> 00:04:01,294.998 They make this show possible. 57 00:04:01,574.999 --> 00:04:02,664.999 I love our sponsors. 58 00:04:02,664.999 --> 00:04:03,714.998 We have a new one today. 59 00:04:04,274.999 --> 00:04:09,574.999 Company called peak peaks, adaptogenic coffee alternative is called non DACA. 60 00:04:09,894.999 --> 00:04:12,744.999 It's 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been on this podcast more because I love you so much. 217 00:13:38,357.31 --> 00:13:39,517.31 I admire you so much. 218 00:13:39,767.309 --> 00:13:42,307.309 And I get the golden opportunity of learning firsthand from you. 219 00:13:42,307.31 --> 00:13:44,877.31 Anytime I have you in front of a screen or with them face to face with you. 220 00:13:44,877.31 --> 00:13:45,607.31 So this is perfect. 221 00:13:46,47.31 --> 00:13:47,317.31 Well, the feeling's mutual. 222 00:13:47,317.31 --> 00:13:52,897.31 You know, I, I have, uh, more love for you than probably most men in the world. 223 00:13:53,57.31 --> 00:14:01,7.31 Right up there with Jason and, and just the, the men that I get to be completely myself with and don't have to babysit people. 224 00:14:01,407.31 --> 00:14:02,447.31 Well, you've done a lot of that. 225 00:14:02,447.31 --> 00:14:04,237.31 You know, I was listening to a great podcast. 226 00:14:04,247.31 --> 00:14:04,927.31 You sent me. 227 00:14:05,502.31 --> 00:14:07,782.31 Um, with Andre on the Know Thyself podcast. 228 00:14:07,812.31 --> 00:14:22,282.309 And, uh, and there's a few points that I think he did really well in the, in the beginning to kind of frame our conversation for today, because anyone who's listened to you via your YouTube channel, your podcast, which is now Spirit Gym transitioned from Living40 to Spirit Gym. 229 00:14:22,942.309 --> 00:14:30,122.31 And anybody that's heard you on my podcast knows that we can cover a fucking wide range of topics and still be just on the tip of the iceberg. 230 00:14:30,662.31 --> 00:14:30,862.31 Right. 231 00:14:30,862.31 --> 00:14:32,662.309 And it's one of the things that I love about you. 232 00:14:33,162.31 --> 00:14:50,762.31 Is the depth and breadth of knowledge across so many different disciplines But i'd love to break down and we're you're on the podcast today And we're going to run this back to face to face when you come out to texas We'll do this right behind me in the in the studio here at the farmhouse And we'll go a bit deeper into some of the more. 233 00:14:50,792.309 --> 00:14:54,657.31 Um You know, spearheading of the specifics that are in spirit gym. 234 00:14:54,657.31 --> 00:14:58,497.31 But right now I want to break down, you know, this is the thing that you've been working on. 235 00:14:58,557.31 --> 00:15:07,7.31 It is the baby you've been giving birth to and birthing for years and setting all the time aside, all the resources aside, all the money aside to develop. 236 00:15:07,702.31 --> 00:15:13,222.31 This overarching lifetime worth of work that you can now deliver to people at a time that's absolutely critical. 237 00:15:13,702.31 --> 00:15:23,352.31 So I'd love for you to frame what is Spirit Gym and talk about, you know, the stages of the structure stages of consciousness and how this all applies to us right now. 238 00:15:23,902.31 --> 00:15:29,872.31 Okay, well, the first question is what is Spirit Gym? Spirit Gym is all there is. 239 00:15:30,62.309 --> 00:15:32,202.31 Spirit Gym is existence itself. 240 00:15:32,602.31 --> 00:15:46,222.31 Um, now of course there's our very limited human perspective of that and how limited that is depends on how, um, conscious or spiritually evolved the individual is. 241 00:15:46,232.31 --> 00:16:06,22.21 There's always people, you know, like Paramahansa Yogananda and and gurus walking the planet that have reached the level of their own development where they've Come to the point where their soul's orientation is to penetrate the depths of God in a way that, that less evolved souls can't even comprehend. 242 00:16:06,422.21 --> 00:16:21,652.211 And the point being is when you, you know, read the mystics, you know, like Giordano Bruno, who, you know, in the 1500s, I believe was captured by the Catholic church, tortured for seven years. 243 00:16:22,457.211 --> 00:16:29,597.211 and told every day that if he just recanted his teachings that they would let him go, and he refused to do it. 244 00:16:29,997.211 --> 00:17:11,242.211 But, you know, back then they were teaching, you know, all we know about the Christian God, and that the Earth is the center of the universe, and, and, you know, Giordano Bruno, the point I'm bringing up is here's a guy that was a true mystic, and he penetrated reality deep enough that he stated, And when you realize what he was saying and correlate that to what quantum physics is saying, what you get is something that's so phenomenal, because when you study quantum physics and you look at what mystics have been saying for thousands of years, they were already telling you everything quantum physics is telling you a long time ago, but people just weren't ready to hear it. 245 00:17:11,662.211 --> 00:17:17,732.21 And so, but what did Giordano Bruno say? He said, there is only one God. 246 00:17:18,207.211 --> 00:17:22,227.211 And that, that God is the source of, and is everything. 247 00:17:22,627.211 --> 00:17:26,397.211 Our sun is, we are moving around our sun. 248 00:17:26,407.211 --> 00:17:36,947.211 It is not moving around us and that there are infinite suns and potentially infinite stars and planets, and that God is infinite. 249 00:17:37,677.211 --> 00:17:45,927.21 And to try to tell people that God is this, or has these rules and will burn you in hell and all this stuff is just a complete and utter lie. 250 00:17:46,857.211 --> 00:17:50,147.211 misunderstanding of what God is and everything else. 251 00:17:50,147.211 --> 00:18:03,377.21 And so, you know, this guy withstood seven years of torture, and if you've ever studied the Catholic Church, you know damn well he went through fucking hell, and he would not give up. 252 00:18:03,377.211 --> 00:18:08,977.211 So finally they tied him to a cross and lit him on fire, and he died true to himself. 253 00:18:09,737.211 --> 00:18:27,817.213 So my point is there, there's a very, very beautiful one of example, one example of many, I could give you, I got a library full of these guys of what spirit Jim really is and what it means to understand, like when you consider, I'll give you the three definitions of God and spirit Jim. 254 00:18:27,817.213 --> 00:18:29,427.213 So people don't get confused. 255 00:18:30,77.213 --> 00:18:37,707.213 Capital G capital O capital D means that for which there is no other prime source. 256 00:18:38,557.213 --> 00:18:45,987.213 It means that God, by definition, is the only being that can create and sustain itself. 257 00:18:46,967.213 --> 00:18:49,617.213 The devil cannot create and sustain itself. 258 00:18:49,647.213 --> 00:18:52,547.213 The devil is a secondary factor. 259 00:18:53,287.213 --> 00:18:58,937.213 The devil is not God, and that's what makes the devil so problematic to itself. 260 00:18:59,157.213 --> 00:19:02,697.212 It can never really be God, and that's what it's trying to do. 261 00:19:02,977.213 --> 00:19:15,237.213 That's the whole mission of Lucifer, is to suck people into escaping the reality of spirit, Jim, and ultimately worshiping Lucifer, which we can get into more later. 262 00:19:16,217.213 --> 00:19:22,387.213 But when you say, okay, what is God? Well, God is the only being that can sustain, create and sustain itself. 263 00:19:22,387.213 --> 00:19:44,537.212 If most people don't take the time to look into everything they worship, every religious God, and say, does it create and sustain itself? And if it was the one, the source of everything, why do we have so many other gods? And the, you know, the Christian God says, thou shalt worship no other gods before me. 264 00:19:45,357.213 --> 00:20:32,427.213 But then you have the Muslim God, and then you have the Jewish God, and then you have the Hindu God, and then you have the Tao, and the list is just so long, so as I say to people all the time, if you really want to grow up spiritually, just go out, find all the sacred texts of all the world religions, put them on a table, and start writing down all the definitions that they have for what God is, what God expects of you, what God will do to you if you don't follow God's rules, what those rules are, and write down all the limitations on food, on sex, on the use of your money, on how you relate to the opposite sex, how you dress, what music you can listen to, who you can interact with and who you can't, who's an enemy and who isn't, how you treat women. 265 00:20:32,972.213 --> 00:20:33,672.213 Or not. 266 00:20:33,782.213 --> 00:20:35,732.213 What you do with your children or not. 267 00:20:36,432.213 --> 00:20:44,352.213 And then if you say, okay, I want to practice world religion, you're going to come to a very stark realization. 268 00:20:44,982.213 --> 00:20:46,162.213 There's nothing you can do. 269 00:20:46,182.212 --> 00:20:47,372.212 There's nothing you can wear. 270 00:20:47,372.213 --> 00:20:48,542.212 There's nothing you can eat. 271 00:20:48,552.212 --> 00:20:50,102.212 There's nobody you can love. 272 00:20:50,552.212 --> 00:20:52,812.213 You're confused about what God is. 273 00:20:52,842.213 --> 00:20:56,912.213 And you realize, well, this is one hell of a fucking world. 274 00:20:57,312.213 --> 00:20:58,942.213 Show going on here. 275 00:20:59,832.213 --> 00:21:08,322.213 And so, by definition in spirit gym, God at the highest level is unconditional love, which is zero. 276 00:21:08,722.213 --> 00:21:18,392.212 And because that is the source of all things, anything that is manifest, even a thought is a byproduct of source. 277 00:21:18,972.213 --> 00:21:22,457.113 And the only way to reconcile that reality is that it. 278 00:21:22,857.113 --> 00:21:26,97.113 God is the only being that can create and sustain itself. 279 00:21:26,97.113 --> 00:21:28,257.113 And is that for which there is no other. 280 00:21:28,647.113 --> 00:21:33,327.113 That means God is ultimately, utterly and absolutely alone. 281 00:21:34,137.113 --> 00:21:51,157.113 And if you have a being, you know, if you look at the Bible that says is God is omniscient, omnipotent, um, omnipresent, Omni means all in capital letters, all knowing, all powerful, all present. 282 00:21:51,862.113 --> 00:21:57,752.113 Okay, so if you say, okay, well, how do you measure that? Well, the only thing you can get is an infinity symbol. 283 00:21:58,532.113 --> 00:22:09,112.114 So the problem is, is people, people, because our mind works on the principle of duality, the mind, the alchemist called the mind, the logos cutter. 284 00:22:09,572.114 --> 00:22:13,502.114 Why? Because to think anything, you must cut it out of the hole. 285 00:22:14,212.114 --> 00:22:18,402.113 If I say to you, what color shirt are you wearing? And you tell me I'm wearing a. 286 00:22:18,802.113 --> 00:22:27,102.113 pink or an orange shirt, you had to cut that color out of all other colors, or I could not make meaning of what you're saying. 287 00:22:27,132.113 --> 00:22:33,332.113 If you just said I'm wearing color, that wouldn't tell me anything except that it's not translucent. 288 00:22:34,142.112 --> 00:22:49,252.113 So in order to say God wants this, or God does that, or I need this, or I need that, or I'm going to live here, you have to cut with the mind something out of the whole, so you can circumscribe it, without which you cannot make meaning. 289 00:22:49,752.113 --> 00:23:05,502.113 So all these religious ideas, or any beliefs about God or even not God, such as atheism, they're all cutting a piece out of the whole, which is basically a left brain function, because the right brain deals with wholeness. 290 00:23:05,532.113 --> 00:23:08,942.113 As Ibrahim Karim says, animals live in their right brain. 291 00:23:09,582.113 --> 00:23:11,102.113 They're in the eternal now. 292 00:23:11,957.113 --> 00:23:37,267.112 We need a left brain in order to say, okay, how do I put this building together or how do I hunt for what animal, or how do I make an arrowhead? So, you know, one of the benefits of human evolution is we've got a cerebral cortex and, and the ability to use our left and right brain hemispheres individually and collectively, but for too many reasons to get into, we've been railroaded into our left brain. 293 00:23:37,267.112 --> 00:23:40,557.112 And so we keep cutting everything, including God. 294 00:23:41,52.112 --> 00:23:49,182.112 into these pieces and when we get into the stages of consciousness we can talk about what happens when you, you know, get lost with the mental reality. 295 00:23:50,82.112 --> 00:24:18,137.112 So, the point I'm driving at here is that, you know, how many people do you know that can comprehend a god or the source of everything that has infinite intelligence, infinite power, infinite processing speed, infinite creativity, infinite love, infinite resources, because it can create anything it wants to instantaneously. 296 00:24:18,147.112 --> 00:24:35,847.112 I mean, when you are stacked, stacking a conscious mind that has to cut something out of an infinity, all you can do is make believe, right? What else do you do? Because If you're in your right brain, you're in the eternal now and you're one with all that is. 297 00:24:35,967.112 --> 00:24:37,857.112 So there's really nothing to say. 298 00:24:38,337.112 --> 00:24:46,127.112 So the left brain takes a little photograph, brings it over and makes a big fucking deal out of it and pretends that that's all there is. 299 00:24:47,87.111 --> 00:25:00,327.112 And so what does that lead to? Well, it, it leads to progressively over time with the breakdown of religion, the breakdown of, of with the breakdown of the religious experience. 300 00:25:00,727.112 --> 00:25:18,197.111 Because religion's ultimately there to give us a religious experience, which is a transcendent experience, which takes you out of the physical reality into the higher dimensions, within which creation is actually emerging and pouring down into material existence. 301 00:25:18,787.111 --> 00:25:37,107.111 So if you think of matter as the condensation of consciousness, the higher you go in consciousness, the less condensed it is, the higher the vibration, and the closer to source you get into the higher level of beings or aspects of the divine mind that you come into. 302 00:25:37,107.112 --> 00:25:44,937.111 So angels would be a classic example of God consciousness manifesting that pours itself into creation. 303 00:25:45,807.111 --> 00:25:52,567.112 So, so what you get at the end of the day is you get scientific materialism, which is the reducto ad absurdum. 304 00:25:52,967.112 --> 00:26:10,647.113 If you take the wholeness and say, how, what happens if I keep using a microscope and I go further and further down? Will you end up with an atom? But what you have to do in order to create a philosophy is you have to pretend that it's not 99 to the ninth decimal point empty and that it's hard. 305 00:26:10,647.213 --> 00:26:12,27.114 And then it's all that is. 306 00:26:12,497.114 --> 00:26:14,367.114 And then that's the source of your money. 307 00:26:14,367.114 --> 00:26:15,617.114 That's the source of your house. 308 00:26:15,627.114 --> 00:26:19,537.114 And then you have to tell yourself a story that brains create consciousness. 309 00:26:19,967.114 --> 00:26:25,387.114 And you have to tell yourself a story that somehow matter created everything in the universe. 310 00:26:25,767.114 --> 00:26:57,232.114 And you have to somehow tell yourself a lie by not asking the question, well, all of this is based on a Big Bang theory, but you have to say, well, what the hell was there to bang in the first place? And where did the energy come from to create a Big Bang out of what is said to be nothing? So as a little mental exercise, I say to people that have this philosophy, which is a lot of them unfortunately, and it's rampant in our education systems, I say, I have a question for you. 311 00:26:57,632.114 --> 00:27:00,302.113 You understand basic math, everybody says yes. 312 00:27:00,342.114 --> 00:27:01,762.114 I say, okay, I got a question for you. 313 00:27:01,772.113 --> 00:27:13,292.113 How do you possibly get from zero to one and any further on a number line if zero equals nothing? Most people really never have thought about that. 314 00:27:13,692.113 --> 00:27:16,672.113 But you have an infinite number line, literally infinite. 315 00:27:16,672.113 --> 00:27:18,722.113 You can just keep counting until you're dead. 316 00:27:18,872.113 --> 00:27:20,872.113 You can use the most powerful supercomputer. 317 00:27:20,872.113 --> 00:27:24,882.113 You'll never finish, right? You'll just keep going and going and going. 318 00:27:25,282.113 --> 00:27:35,882.112 The question is, how do you even get to one from zero if zero is nothing? But when you realize zero isn't nothing, it's no thing. 319 00:27:36,592.112 --> 00:27:38,542.112 It is undifferentiated spirit. 320 00:27:39,312.112 --> 00:27:40,702.112 It is source. 321 00:27:41,52.112 --> 00:27:42,342.112 It is unconditional. 322 00:27:42,422.112 --> 00:27:55,762.111 It is the wellspring of all potential and all possibility and all creativity and every other possibility manifesting itself in ways that it can recognize itself as. 323 00:27:56,552.111 --> 00:28:03,722.112 So Spirit Gem is God dreaming itself into existence because as zero you cannot have a mind. 324 00:28:03,732.112 --> 00:28:06,22.112 The mind only emerges with a duality. 325 00:28:06,422.112 --> 00:28:08,202.112 You have to have a subject object. 326 00:28:08,202.112 --> 00:28:15,402.1115 So we can't start the number line at two with duality because you'd have to say, well, where'd two come from? It came from one. 327 00:28:15,402.1115 --> 00:28:16,702.112 Where'd that came from? Zero. 328 00:28:17,212.112 --> 00:28:26,152.112 So it just doesn't work rationally or even poetically, you know, it's just, it would be a, uh, it would be a misleading poetic expression. 329 00:28:27,52.112 --> 00:28:27,492.112 Okay. 330 00:28:27,892.112 --> 00:28:32,132.112 So when you realize that whatever God is. 331 00:28:32,787.112 --> 00:28:34,437.112 Can only look into itself. 332 00:28:34,437.112 --> 00:28:36,627.112 There's nothing behind God to look at. 333 00:28:36,637.112 --> 00:28:38,607.112 Even Lao Tzu says in the Tao Te Ching. 334 00:28:39,17.112 --> 00:28:43,537.112 All things have their back to the Mother, and he's speaking of the Tao. 335 00:28:43,997.112 --> 00:28:53,67.111 He says, the Tao is darker than dark, deeper than deep, blacker than black, it is older than God. 336 00:28:53,467.111 --> 00:28:57,247.11 Well, first thing to pay attention to is all things have their back to the Mother. 337 00:28:57,247.111 --> 00:29:00,7.111 What does the Mother mean? The source from which you came. 338 00:29:00,407.111 --> 00:29:05,117.111 Everything's got their back to the Mother, which means there's nothing to look at behind Mother. 339 00:29:05,877.111 --> 00:29:07,27.111 There's nothing there. 340 00:29:07,337.111 --> 00:29:12,887.111 And isn't it interesting, Kyle? I don't know if you've ever made this observation before, but you know, this is how my mind works. 341 00:29:13,557.111 --> 00:29:21,257.111 Have you ever seen an animal or a creature anywhere in nature with eyes behind its head? No. 342 00:29:21,657.111 --> 00:29:23,757.111 All things have their back to the mother. 343 00:29:24,47.111 --> 00:29:27,37.111 In the Bible it says man is created in God's likeness. 344 00:29:27,597.111 --> 00:29:34,537.111 So you see what I'm pointing out is, we are designed to look forward, to look in, not to look behind. 345 00:29:34,547.111 --> 00:29:35,967.111 But we know nature. 346 00:29:36,587.112 --> 00:29:38,717.112 kills you from behind regularly. 347 00:29:39,127.112 --> 00:29:42,67.112 Poisonous snakes don't say, Hey, look before I bite you. 348 00:29:42,467.112 --> 00:29:46,67.112 Killers, pirates, they don't give you warning. 349 00:29:46,77.112 --> 00:29:48,517.111 They shoot you in the back and take what you've got. 350 00:29:48,957.112 --> 00:29:58,677.112 But you see, the point I'm making is when you look at this from a design perspective, it's kind of a strange mystery that all living creatures look forward. 351 00:29:59,352.112 --> 00:30:07,172.112 And they try to see what's in front of them and survive what is in front of them, and you have to turn around to look behind you. 352 00:30:07,572.112 --> 00:30:20,312.112 So you see, the paradox of it is, is everything's ultimately reflecting God looking into itself, because God's got nothing to look at behind itself, so it didn't create eyes behind our head. 353 00:30:20,692.112 --> 00:30:25,942.112 Now, I'm working poetically and metaphorically here, but these are real meditations to me. 354 00:30:25,962.112 --> 00:30:53,582.114 These are, these are the things, if you really want to understand God, you've got to start looking for, first of all, you've got to be brave enough to imagine what it would be like to be God, and just sit in meditation and say, what would I create and how would I create if I was in infinity in every direction? And imagine that, right? Well, that's all hard for a lot of people to imagine because their imaginations can't reach something that magnificent. 355 00:30:53,952.114 --> 00:30:57,182.113 And I think that's one of the problems we have is all these religions. 356 00:30:57,832.114 --> 00:31:07,232.114 actually dumbed down people's imagination, and they fall for the trap of believing that whatever is written on paper was somehow written by God. 357 00:31:07,252.113 --> 00:31:11,572.113 But they forget what God's freaking favorite hobby is telling stories. 358 00:31:11,572.114 --> 00:31:18,72.114 I mean, you know, the most powerful definition of a myth there is, is a story that tells itself. 359 00:31:19,2.114 --> 00:31:31,827.114 So as you may have found in Spirit Gem, I, I encourage you to say, um, have you ever meditated on what the ultimate story is? Well, the ultimate story we call life. 360 00:31:32,747.114 --> 00:31:39,757.114 And if you get that, then you have to say, well, what is it that is telling that story? I didn't create myself. 361 00:31:39,787.113 --> 00:31:40,877.114 Not as Paul Czech. 362 00:31:41,597.114 --> 00:31:43,847.114 The world didn't create itself. 363 00:31:44,547.114 --> 00:31:47,77.114 The universe did not create itself. 364 00:31:47,477.114 --> 00:31:58,607.115 So when you realize a myth is a story that's telling itself, and we're all living out a myth, or multiple myths, our life story is a combination of all the stories that we. 365 00:31:59,42.115 --> 00:32:02,642.115 ingest, believe, and are born into and are programmed into. 366 00:32:02,642.115 --> 00:32:08,292.115 But then if we get creative, we're still creating, but something's creating through us. 367 00:32:08,332.114 --> 00:32:32,942.115 Like if you go into meditation, say you want to write a myth or a book or a kid's book or a story, and you empty yourself to open yourself to the creative potential to create something novel, isn't it true that something's moving into Kyle? Like when you empty yourself with the intention to create, It's an act of waiting, isn't it? Yeah, it's an emptying and I feel the same. 368 00:32:33,432.115 --> 00:32:34,992.115 I know this from stacking rocks with you. 369 00:32:34,992.115 --> 00:32:39,492.115 If I'm in my thinking mind about which rocks should go where, that usually doesn't end well. 370 00:32:40,212.115 --> 00:32:52,342.115 But if I allow the rocks to speak to me, and that might sound like fuckin hocus pocus to somebody who's never done this, but I don't have the same level of mastery that you do, but if I can clear my mind, the rocks will talk to me. 371 00:32:52,392.115 --> 00:32:53,832.115 They'll tell me the order they're going to be in. 372 00:32:54,12.115 --> 00:32:54,772.115 Not all at once. 373 00:32:54,812.115 --> 00:32:55,962.114 Just what's the next one. 374 00:32:56,12.114 --> 00:32:57,52.115 Okay, here's the next one. 375 00:32:57,62.115 --> 00:32:58,302.115 And I walked by my hands get hot. 376 00:32:58,332.115 --> 00:32:59,212.115 All right, here's the next one. 377 00:32:59,502.115 --> 00:33:03,702.114 When I'm painting a mandala, sometimes it, sometimes it takes me six months. 378 00:33:03,772.115 --> 00:33:08,852.115 I've got this year's model on it and it's mostly done, but I haven't filled it in yet because it's still moving through me. 379 00:33:08,852.115 --> 00:33:11,702.115 I'm still meditating on what this year is all about. 380 00:33:12,297.115 --> 00:33:20,497.115 You know, and you listen to guys like, uh, our buddy, Paul Levy, any great author such as yourself, they say, I, you know, Wayne Dyer, I didn't write that. 381 00:33:20,527.115 --> 00:33:22,337.115 I got out of my way and it came through me. 382 00:33:22,737.115 --> 00:33:23,187.115 right. 383 00:33:23,197.115 --> 00:33:29,647.115 So what you're pointing to is really this beautiful world word called listening Right? We're listening. 384 00:33:29,657.115 --> 00:33:31,347.115 We get quiet and we listen. 385 00:33:31,627.115 --> 00:33:33,147.115 We listen to the stones. 386 00:33:33,197.115 --> 00:33:34,667.115 We listen to the plants. 387 00:33:34,727.115 --> 00:33:43,737.115 The shaman listened to the plants to learn how to create medicines and psychological, uh, modes of transcendence. 388 00:33:44,727.115 --> 00:33:47,787.115 When we want to learn, we have to listen to our teacher. 389 00:33:48,597.115 --> 00:33:52,127.115 When we want to be healthy, we have to listen to our body. 390 00:33:52,352.115 --> 00:34:00,742.115 Right? There's a story unfolding inside of our body all the time, and you know, the difference between a healthy person and an unhealthy person is whether or not you're listening. 391 00:34:01,142.115 --> 00:34:19,922.1135 Doesn't it just boil right down to that? So what I'm saying is, Ultimately, the story that's telling itself is, is, and only can be, if you take it all the way back to the beginning, this placeholder we call God, because how do you put a name on something that you cannot objectify? That's the problem. 392 00:34:19,922.1135 --> 00:34:22,572.114 When you start objectifying God, you create an illusion. 393 00:34:23,452.114 --> 00:34:26,432.114 And the price of creating illusions is that you have to live in them. 394 00:34:26,832.114 --> 00:34:31,872.113 So if your marriage is an illusion, you'll find out what it's like to live in an illusion. 395 00:34:32,142.113 --> 00:34:37,202.114 If your children are illusions, you'll find out how much responsibility comes with creating illusions. 396 00:34:37,602.114 --> 00:34:45,782.114 If you're money in his illusion, then you'll find out what happens when you try to spend it or trade it with somebody, etc. 397 00:34:46,352.114 --> 00:34:54,682.114 So, what I'm saying is, ultimately, that there is nothing in existence that is not Spirit Gym. 398 00:34:55,82.114 --> 00:34:57,822.114 There is nothing in existence that's not Spirit Gym. 399 00:34:58,332.114 --> 00:35:31,12.114 And the other truth of it, that kind of has to do with your second question, is that how much Spirit Gym there is for each individual depends on how expanded their consciousness is, and, and, and this is the difference, you see, what I, what was critical to me, after my life's work of studying and all the things I've done to grow spiritually, was, Was to help people have an awareness of what I knew to be true. 400 00:35:31,12.114 --> 00:35:33,572.1135 And you know, to be true from deep personal experience. 401 00:35:33,572.1135 --> 00:35:47,312.114 And that is that the more you wake up consciously, the bigger spirit gym gets, you know, when you're, when you're a materialist and you're focused on, on personal gain, personal wealth, and finances. 402 00:35:47,912.114 --> 00:35:57,132.113 We all know you can end up, as Joseph Campbell says, you can climb the ladder of success, get to the top, and realize the ladder's been leaning on the wrong wall the whole time. 403 00:35:57,552.114 --> 00:36:05,517.114 And this is why we see famous movie stars, musicians, athletes, uh, money, committing suicide. 404 00:36:05,527.114 --> 00:36:14,677.114 They've got all the money and all the sex and all the drugs and all the cars and all the toys, but they're empty inside because they climbed the wrong ladder. 405 00:36:15,247.113 --> 00:36:23,972.114 But when you start climbing through the structure stages of consciousness, One, you realize that you are not alone, and you never have been. 406 00:36:24,612.114 --> 00:36:30,312.114 Two, you realize that even what you think of as yourself is a vast collection of relationships. 407 00:36:30,542.113 --> 00:36:44,82.114 And you are, you know, we don't have to get into it right now, but I mean, if we start counting the relationships that have to be together and coherent for me to have my friend Kyle, It is damn near an infinite number of them. 408 00:36:44,172.114 --> 00:36:45,442.114 I mean, it's wild. 409 00:36:45,502.114 --> 00:36:52,902.113 It's just absolutely fricking wild what it takes to create any one of us, let alone the grand puzzle. 410 00:36:53,342.114 --> 00:36:55,582.113 So you say, okay, wow, I'm not alone. 411 00:36:55,982.113 --> 00:37:01,392.113 There's relationships top to bottom and God is nothing but relationships with itself. 412 00:37:01,792.113 --> 00:37:14,282.113 Then you realize that the higher you go, the more vast the consciousness, the more capable, the creative ability of the beings that are pouring themselves into us. 413 00:37:14,292.113 --> 00:37:17,342.113 Steiner describes something very beautiful. 414 00:37:17,742.113 --> 00:37:26,262.112 He, he says how every single creature in nature, every planet, every star, every living being is actually the creator. 415 00:37:27,172.113 --> 00:37:40,712.113 Creative artwork of of angels, but here's the punchline Every living thing is alive because the angels themselves have poured themselves into it To make it alive. 416 00:37:41,482.113 --> 00:37:45,572.113 So I say, you don't have to worry about praying to angels. 417 00:37:45,572.113 --> 00:37:47,942.113 They're very close to you all the time. 418 00:37:48,342.113 --> 00:37:51,282.114 They're breathing you, they're dancing you. 419 00:37:51,462.113 --> 00:38:02,142.114 They're having this great ball of actually engaging duality as the Ram Dass, the, the God workers. 420 00:38:02,632.114 --> 00:38:14,762.1135 that pour themselves into us and make our heart beat and make our blood flow and give us creativity without which there would be no creative means for God to express itself. 421 00:38:14,762.1135 --> 00:38:28,222.114 And so just to make sure people don't misunderstand me, um, there's a lot of different conceptions of an angel, but a great book called The Physics of Angels by Rupert Sheldrake and Matthew Fox, and you know how rational Rupert Sheldrake is. 422 00:38:28,222.114 --> 00:38:31,372.114 I mean, he's a very, very fucking involved man. 423 00:38:32,187.114 --> 00:38:42,327.114 And, and Rupert Sheldrake and Matthew Fox clarify the concept of an angel is the flow of energy and information in God. 424 00:38:43,57.114 --> 00:38:55,37.114 So when we think of an angel, we're actually thinking of, we personify it, and angels appear to us in somewhat of a human like form, so we have a way to relate to what we're looking at. 425 00:38:55,427.114 --> 00:39:02,337.014 But actually, an angel is the flow of God consciousness, and in spiritism, I define it as the flow of God's own spirit. 426 00:39:02,687.114 --> 00:39:13,827.114 As the flow of energy and information, what is an angel? The flow of energy and information is just a vast flow of energy information that is not bound to a material existence. 427 00:39:14,607.113 --> 00:39:20,447.113 And remember, matter is spirit in concentrated form. 428 00:39:20,517.113 --> 00:39:23,527.113 It is so condensed, it's entangled within itself. 429 00:39:24,27.113 --> 00:39:28,847.114 So the further spirit goes into material form, the less conscious it is. 430 00:39:29,662.114 --> 00:39:37,292.114 And that's necessary because if the foundation of your house was too conscious, it might just say, shit, I'm tired of holding all this weight up, I'm out of here. 431 00:39:38,82.114 --> 00:39:42,42.114 Your bones might just say, this is too much fucking work and just give up. 432 00:39:42,772.114 --> 00:39:55,542.114 So each level of creation is imbued with exactly the kind of consciousness that's essential for its role in the unfolding of the great story of the grand myth of existence itself. 433 00:39:55,942.114 --> 00:40:01,822.114 So, You know, there was a point I was trying to get to, and I lost exactly where I was trying to take. 434 00:40:01,822.114 --> 00:40:20,112.113 Everything I've said is very, very important, but ultimately I think what's so important to understand is that we are all in a spirit gym and the spirit gym itself means that you cannot grow without some form of resistance. 435 00:40:20,802.113 --> 00:40:36,362.113 And so when you look at the fact that God dreams itself into existence, And that the only way God can know itself is to become conscious of itself, which means God itself must wake up within its own dream. 436 00:40:36,762.113 --> 00:40:42,402.112 And the only way you can have consciousness is to have a subject object duality. 437 00:40:42,592.113 --> 00:40:45,912.112 There has to be a perceiver and something to perceive. 438 00:40:46,552.113 --> 00:40:56,542.113 So essentially, God dreams itself into existence, looks into its own dream, and pours its subject into the characters of the dream. 439 00:40:57,382.113 --> 00:41:12,822.112 As I shared on the know thyself podcast, because I really study a lot of myths and Tantra, I think is one of many myths around the world that really has utility because it relates so coherently to what we see in our own life. 440 00:41:12,832.113 --> 00:41:20,182.113 For example, the act that first of all, if God's creating, then God has to be the womb of its own creation. 441 00:41:20,192.113 --> 00:41:22,32.113 So there's the feminine principle. 442 00:41:22,857.113 --> 00:41:25,517.113 That's depicted as a circle with nothing in it. 443 00:41:26,17.113 --> 00:41:35,247.112 So the symbolic representation of the self or the one or being is a circle with a dot in the middle. 444 00:41:35,647.112 --> 00:41:38,617.112 The circle represents the emptiness of the feminine. 445 00:41:38,617.112 --> 00:41:41,417.111 Everything inside the circle represents the womb. 446 00:41:41,817.111 --> 00:41:47,757.111 So God dreams itself into existence, which requires the feminine principle. 447 00:41:47,757.111 --> 00:41:50,557.111 In other words, that's the act of giving birth to something. 448 00:41:50,957.111 --> 00:41:58,117.111 So that in Tantra is called Shakti, which means divine energy and divine consciousness. 449 00:41:58,967.111 --> 00:42:05,247.111 And so Shakti in the myth has a dream for a consort, a lover, a friend, and a husband. 450 00:42:06,157.111 --> 00:42:20,117.11 And so what does Shakti do? She dreams her consort into existence, and the emergence of her consort, Shiva, becomes the point in the center of the circle, which would be the same as Shiva. 451 00:42:20,842.111 --> 00:42:53,272.111 the first, the egg of a female being fertilized by the male sperm, so her dream, her thought, her desire is the sperm, and she's the egg, and so now you have a dot in the center of the circle, and the movement of consciousness between Shakti, the edge of the circle, and the womb, and the central point, Shiva, is the flow of spirit or consciousness, so now you have a lover, Shakti, who is God as feminine, dreaming her beloved into existence, which is Shiva. 452 00:42:53,712.111 --> 00:43:09,532.111 Shiva represents the explicate order of David Bohm's model of quantum physics, which is all that is created, weighable, or measurable, which would be like the Christian god, the god of everything, right? But it's, it's Shakti, I mean Shiva. 453 00:43:09,982.111 --> 00:43:15,822.111 So Shiva and Shakti make love and have babies endlessly. 454 00:43:16,602.111 --> 00:43:18,662.111 And that is what the stars are. 455 00:43:18,672.111 --> 00:43:20,242.111 That is what the galaxies are. 456 00:43:20,242.111 --> 00:43:22,52.111 That is what the universes are. 457 00:43:22,62.111 --> 00:43:23,902.111 That's, you know, multiverses. 458 00:43:23,912.111 --> 00:43:26,912.111 That's what, uh, every planet is. 459 00:43:26,912.111 --> 00:43:31,152.011 Every living organism is, is the children of Shiva and Shakti. 460 00:43:31,152.111 --> 00:43:42,162.111 But what I'm trying to show you is that it is God's desire to know itself and experience itself and deal with its aloneness that creates Shakti. 461 00:43:42,192.111 --> 00:43:46,202.111 So God, God's subject, God's own perception of its. 462 00:43:46,682.111 --> 00:44:13,222.111 experience of itself, it's desire of itself, is filling Shakti with desire, and that's what she uses to draw Shiva into existence, but because she's the creator of Shiva in her own womb, the fact that she can have a relationship with Shiva and say, I am, and he can say, I am, and I love you, means that she has poured her subject, into her own creation. 463 00:44:13,692.111 --> 00:44:28,492.11 So paradoxically, when Shiva looks at Shakti and says, I love you, my darling, he's actually not aware of the fact that what's looking through his eyes at his lover is the same thing looking through her eyes at him. 464 00:44:28,892.11 --> 00:44:32,72.11 You understand she's filling him with subject. 465 00:44:32,832.11 --> 00:44:36,72.11 Now this story tells you something magnificent. 466 00:44:36,212.11 --> 00:44:39,612.11 Every single one of us is creating. 467 00:44:40,12.11 --> 00:44:43,952.11 The house you built is full of your subject. 468 00:44:44,332.11 --> 00:44:47,492.11 It's the way it is because that's what you dreamed up. 469 00:44:48,72.11 --> 00:44:56,202.11 Your children are full of your subject and full of your wife's subject, but they're also full of the bodies that the two of you created together. 470 00:44:56,602.109 --> 00:44:58,432.11 So there you see Shakti and Shiva. 471 00:44:58,432.21 --> 00:45:00,252.11 Shakti and Shiva is everywhere. 472 00:45:00,312.11 --> 00:45:06,512.11 That's the You know, the way you can tell how powerful a myth is, is how broadly it's applicable. 473 00:45:06,542.11 --> 00:45:09,102.11 Well, you can't get more broad than that. 474 00:45:09,682.11 --> 00:45:23,422.11 So what you see is that every single one of us is imbued with the subject of the Divine Mother, which is God as the feminine, and we are all creating objects which we imbue with subject. 475 00:45:23,532.11 --> 00:45:30,222.109 And, and, and, and just to show you how far down this goes, we talked about lifting rocks and the stones talking to us. 476 00:45:30,607.11 --> 00:45:42,177.01 Well, here they are, they're stones, and we're holding the question, Who's next? And what we don't realize is by holding the question, Who's next, we're projecting our future. 477 00:45:42,677.11 --> 00:45:46,217.11 subject into the whole field of rocks. 478 00:45:46,617.11 --> 00:45:53,817.108 And by imbuing the rocks with our own consciousness, they wake up, and they wake up and say, I am. 479 00:45:54,217.108 --> 00:45:58,107.108 And so, we go, ah, we go pick it up. 480 00:45:58,367.11 --> 00:46:04,837.109 And it, because they, their, their inherent consciousness is that of unity, they naturally know how to fit together. 481 00:46:05,327.109 --> 00:46:07,907.109 So we go and we think, Oh, there you are. 482 00:46:07,907.109 --> 00:46:10,107.109 We pick you up and you fit so beautifully. 483 00:46:10,577.109 --> 00:46:18,557.109 And so what we don't realize is that, and this is by the way, how a shaman creates an amulet, the shaman chooses, maybe a gemstone. 484 00:46:18,957.109 --> 00:46:40,837.109 Maybe a crystal and says to the person who's suffering from, you know, a loss or a disease holds the amulet, the stone to the shaman's heart and fills it full of consciousness that basically holds the energy of wholeness or the energy of healing or the energy that it wants that person to carry. 485 00:46:41,292.109 --> 00:46:49,332.109 And so the shaman hands you the amulet, but what you don't realize is the shaman just poured his own psyche or his own soul into the stone. 486 00:46:49,332.109 --> 00:46:55,552.108 And so now the stone is awake, but it's awake to that reality because that's the consciousness that woke it up. 487 00:46:55,552.108 --> 00:46:59,487.109 So in other words, It's the only program that Stone has in it. 488 00:46:59,887.109 --> 00:47:03,967.109 Wholeness, so you, that person carries it around and weird, crazy things happen. 489 00:47:04,477.109 --> 00:47:09,837.109 You know, detox starts happening, healing starts happening, and everybody thinks he's shaman or just a bunch of nutcases. 490 00:47:10,237.109 --> 00:47:16,97.109 But, but the, the beauty of it, of this is, is that we are all actually godding all the time. 491 00:47:16,97.109 --> 00:47:38,957.108 And that's really the funny thing about it, because you cannot escape the fact that Everything that you look around at you, around you and see, is somehow part of the reality that you're perceiving, and to what, to the degree that you, you know, you make meaning with it, or you live in it, you share, you're, you're, you're pouring your, your consciousness into it all the time. 492 00:47:39,437.109 --> 00:47:49,817.109 And so our mind is both internal inside of us as a creative agency, but we don't realize we're surrounding ourself with our mind all the time. 493 00:47:50,267.108 --> 00:47:52,917.109 And what are we doing? We're materializing it. 494 00:47:53,797.109 --> 00:47:56,157.109 We're taking trees and making homes out of them. 495 00:47:56,157.109 --> 00:47:59,507.109 We're taking metal and making Rolex watches out of it. 496 00:47:59,507.109 --> 00:48:01,337.109 All of that is the materialization. 497 00:48:01,887.109 --> 00:48:12,207.109 Of our own mind and as long as you can do that without destroying life itself or destroying yourself, you know, you'll, you'll be okay. 498 00:48:12,607.109 --> 00:48:18,347.108 So, so to finish quickly here, just because I wanted to round out these definitions. 499 00:48:18,347.109 --> 00:48:18,892.009 So, um. 500 00:48:19,152.109 --> 00:48:27,132.109 In Spirit Gym, God is, is prime source, that for which there is no other, the only being that can create and sustain itself. 501 00:48:27,212.109 --> 00:48:29,172.109 It is mathematically zero. 502 00:48:29,572.109 --> 00:48:35,922.108 Capital G little o little d is the highest power of any belief system, and there is a lot of them. 503 00:48:36,587.109 --> 00:48:39,587.109 If you're an atheist, then matter is your highest power. 504 00:48:40,297.109 --> 00:48:41,157.109 That's all good. 505 00:48:41,557.109 --> 00:48:45,627.109 If you're a Christian, then the Christian God is your highest power. 506 00:48:45,917.109 --> 00:48:48,247.109 Uh, maybe Jesus is your highest power. 507 00:48:48,247.109 --> 00:48:51,827.109 However you, you know, roll that script out. 508 00:48:52,567.108 --> 00:49:00,127.108 Um, if you're, um, a Buddhist, then the ground of being would be your highest power. 509 00:49:00,877.108 --> 00:49:03,427.108 Um, depending on what branch of Buddhism you practice. 510 00:49:04,62.108 --> 00:49:12,722.108 Um, if you're a worshiper of a practitioner of Shinto, which is a nature based religion, then nature is your highest power. 511 00:49:13,672.108 --> 00:49:22,252.107 So ultimately, there's a lot of gods and they're, you know, they're usually the highest power in any religious or belief system. 512 00:49:22,652.107 --> 00:49:32,172.108 So that's a very important distinction, because if you mistake the highest power of a belief system for that for which there is no other, you can actually. 513 00:49:33,2.108 --> 00:49:36,502.108 Um, do something pretty traumatic. 514 00:49:36,512.108 --> 00:49:40,72.108 You can start wars with people that have a different belief system. 515 00:49:40,952.107 --> 00:49:53,112.108 And if you read Ken Wilber's newest book, uh, radical wholeness, he probably states in there at least three times that the number one cause of wars is religious. 516 00:49:53,637.108 --> 00:49:54,387.108 differences. 517 00:49:55,257.108 --> 00:49:57,707.108 In other words, ideas about God. 518 00:49:58,107.108 --> 00:50:10,497.109 So, then finally we get to little g, little o, little d, like a Greek god from a myth, like Hercules or Demeter or, um, Zeus or any of them. 519 00:50:10,677.109 --> 00:50:17,727.109 So, in Spiridim, a little god is any being with the power to change its environment. 520 00:50:18,127.109 --> 00:50:20,317.109 A microbe can change its environment. 521 00:50:21,197.109 --> 00:50:23,647.109 Bacteria can change its environment. 522 00:50:24,217.109 --> 00:50:26,997.109 All you gotta do is get a dysbiosis to figure that out. 523 00:50:27,957.109 --> 00:50:32,247.109 Um, a bird changes its environment. 524 00:50:32,547.108 --> 00:50:38,297.109 Every living creature wants to control its environment for its own survival. 525 00:50:38,767.108 --> 00:50:41,967.108 And so ultimately, what are all these little G. 526 00:50:41,967.108 --> 00:50:42,87.108 O. 527 00:50:42,87.108 --> 00:50:42,197.108 D. 528 00:50:42,197.108 --> 00:50:48,367.109 s? They're actually, Mike, they're actually, um, fractals of the divine. 529 00:50:48,647.109 --> 00:50:50,897.109 They're fractals of the ultimate. 530 00:50:51,297.109 --> 00:50:58,997.109 They're a dream manifesting itself and progressively raising into consciousness. 531 00:50:58,997.109 --> 00:51:22,12.109 So you look at the history of the evolution of this planet, and you go from water and stone, to single celled organisms, to multi celled organisms, to a collection of systems, glands and organs, to a nervous system, ultimately to a brain. 532 00:51:22,572.109 --> 00:51:30,172.109 And so you see that each of these beings is ultimately becoming more complex. 533 00:51:30,282.109 --> 00:51:40,42.109 And as Steiner describes, as an organism becomes more complex, one of the things you see is that it has more and more membranes. 534 00:51:40,442.109 --> 00:51:44,552.108 I don't know if I've ever talked to you with you about that, but there's something pretty unique about that. 535 00:51:44,552.109 --> 00:51:54,462.109 So So if you think of a shaman's drum, it's one membrane, right? Your standard shaman's drum is a frame drum, right? With one skin on it. 536 00:51:54,862.109 --> 00:52:02,322.109 So now what I want you to think, Kyle, think of the times when you were maybe in ceremony or were just empty inside. 537 00:52:03,142.109 --> 00:52:08,722.109 And you opened yourself to spirit and just let spirit play the drum through you. 538 00:52:08,732.109 --> 00:52:14,392.109 Have you had experiences like that where you weren't trying to play something someone else made up? Okay. 539 00:52:15,102.108 --> 00:52:30,772.108 So the implicate dreamer in you, the Shakti in you, the dreamer, spirit, by the way on tarot, number one, the magician, most people don't realize half the table that he has his four instruments on is missing. 540 00:52:30,772.109 --> 00:52:31,902.109 It's not in the picture. 541 00:52:32,302.109 --> 00:52:39,492.109 The four legs of the table represent earth, water, fire, and air, but fire is the dreaming nature of God and air represents the mind. 542 00:52:40,122.109 --> 00:52:45,92.109 The only legs that you see in the table of the magician in tarot are the earth and water elements. 543 00:52:45,562.108 --> 00:52:51,792.108 And on the table, he has a wand, which represents fire or power, a cup, which represents love. 544 00:52:52,772.109 --> 00:53:01,202.109 He has a coin which represents, um, material existence, and he has a sword, which represents the cutting nature of mind. 545 00:53:01,602.109 --> 00:53:10,832.108 And so the key of the magician is he's playing a magic trick on you, which is you using your own mind, but he's telling you a story in the card. 546 00:53:10,872.109 --> 00:53:15,282.109 Oh, by the way, you cannot see what's actually doing all the creation. 547 00:53:15,282.11 --> 00:53:27,622.11 So you need to wake up to the fact that the most powerful parts of you are invisible, but it takes a while and enough pain to become conscious enough to turn your mind backwards and to say, okay. 548 00:53:27,947.11 --> 00:53:32,637.11 How is it that I'm doing this and why do I keep doing this? And, you know, that's what we call healing. 549 00:53:33,37.11 --> 00:54:02,912.111 And so you see where we're, we're, we're in this great chain of creativity and we are constantly creating and we're using our mind and we're waking up and we're growing up slowly and progressively and As we grow, we actually can become conscious of what real spirituality is. 550 00:54:03,662.111 --> 00:54:09,612.111 So what I was really trying to lead to in this particular instance was what spirituality is. 551 00:54:10,12.111 --> 00:54:13,352.111 Spirituality in its authentic sense is religion. 552 00:54:13,927.111 --> 00:54:36,497.111 Because the function of religion is to give you a religious experience, which is a transcendent or a numinous experience, which is an experience of expanding your awareness of what is true, of what is real, what is good, and what is beautiful, and where you came from and how you got here, and exploring the mystery and the majesty of life, which is one of the key functions of a myth. 553 00:54:37,277.111 --> 00:54:43,137.111 So by definition, spirituality is the progressive connection. 554 00:54:43,742.111 --> 00:54:49,2.111 to an expanding whole, a progressively greater connection to an expanding whole. 555 00:54:49,492.111 --> 00:55:02,512.11 So if you think of knowledge, when you first became a practitioner of Jiu Jitsu, you had a small amount of knowledge, so the horizon was, was right there. 556 00:55:02,562.111 --> 00:55:08,142.111 Like, every time you learned something new, the horizon pushed itself back a little bit. 557 00:55:08,542.111 --> 00:55:16,172.111 You know, you're smart enough to know that you wouldn't ever make the statement, I know everything there is to know about Jiu Jitsu, so I don't need to practice anymore. 558 00:55:16,172.111 --> 00:55:17,662.11 I'm not going to learn anymore. 559 00:55:18,412.111 --> 00:55:24,212.111 So you see, spirituality is you learn about Jiu Jitsu, you get your first belt. 560 00:55:25,142.11 --> 00:55:28,12.111 You know a lot more than you did six months ago. 561 00:55:28,982.111 --> 00:55:33,582.111 But you also now know there's black belts in the room that know a lot more than you. 562 00:55:33,582.111 --> 00:55:37,412.111 So you get your next belt and the horizon moves back a little further. 563 00:55:38,327.111 --> 00:55:44,647.111 And when you're a black belt, then you think, wow, I've come a long way, but shit, I've still got so much to master. 564 00:55:44,647.111 --> 00:55:45,977.111 I got so many questions. 565 00:55:46,367.111 --> 00:55:48,297.11 And so the horizon keeps moving. 566 00:55:48,727.11 --> 00:55:50,507.111 And so that's the nature of God. 567 00:55:50,517.11 --> 00:55:51,717.111 God is horizontal. 568 00:55:51,727.11 --> 00:55:57,877.111 You can never actually comprehend the wholeness of God because the depth of it is infinite. 569 00:55:58,207.111 --> 00:56:02,547.111 And every one of us is having one of an infinite number of experiences. 570 00:56:02,947.111 --> 00:56:14,237.111 Spirit gym really is where we come to explore and expand our dimension of awareness and our dimension of a sense of connection and understanding. 571 00:56:15,157.111 --> 00:56:26,437.112 And each time we expand our sense of wholeness, connection and understanding, we become wiser and the wiser we become, the deeper the questions we ask. 572 00:56:27,412.112 --> 00:56:32,72.112 Wise people ask much deeper questions than unwise people. 573 00:56:32,732.112 --> 00:56:33,982.112 It's pretty simply stated. 574 00:56:34,382.112 --> 00:56:39,632.112 so no matter how far you get into God, you just have bigger questions. 575 00:56:40,32.112 --> 00:56:43,412.112 And, and when you get them answered, you get bigger questions. 576 00:56:44,282.112 --> 00:56:50,532.112 And some of these questions can take lifetimes of you because you cannot answer these questions intellectually. 577 00:56:50,832.112 --> 00:57:01,152.112 How do you answer the question, what does it feel like to be God, with words? You can't, because you have to become God to answer that question. 578 00:57:01,662.111 --> 00:57:06,822.112 And the only way you can become God is to completely die to your individuality. 579 00:57:07,632.112 --> 00:57:13,552.112 And then the problem is, is you do not know what it's like to be God because there's nobody there to witness it. 580 00:57:14,272.112 --> 00:57:18,657.012 So when you come back from the experience, you know something magnificent happened, you know something. 581 00:57:18,917.112 --> 00:57:32,227.112 because you could experience yourself on the way into the death, and you can experience yourself on the way out if you're fortunate enough, but it's a big mistake to say, I know what God is, because I became one with God. 582 00:57:32,277.112 --> 00:57:48,267.112 Well, you, you may have, but if you think you know what God is, then you're also trying to tell me that God itself is a duality, and then you have a fundamental problem because you haven't answered the question, what created the duality? So you're just head fucking yourself. 583 00:57:48,607.112 --> 00:57:51,417.112 And that's kind of what spiritual pride is. 584 00:57:52,167.112 --> 00:57:54,677.112 That's what spiritual elitism is. 585 00:57:54,987.112 --> 00:57:56,187.112 That's what religion is. 586 00:57:56,197.112 --> 00:58:02,337.112 All religions are trying to tell you what God is, what God wants, and what God will do to you. 587 00:58:02,807.111 --> 00:58:11,57.112 And that is all fine for children that can be educated and entertained for a certain period of time with a story. 588 00:58:11,457.112 --> 00:58:15,387.112 But you always have to ask yourself for legitimate spiritual growth. 589 00:58:15,447.112 --> 00:58:24,777.112 This key question, is it really true? And if you don't do the work to answer the question, then that's the danger of a belief. 590 00:58:24,797.112 --> 00:58:30,577.112 Because a belief, by definition, is something that is closed, or you would have no belief. 591 00:58:31,47.112 --> 00:58:36,847.112 And the problem with beliefs is you stop asking questions, and when you stop asking questions, you stop growing. 592 00:58:37,247.112 --> 00:58:38,777.112 The horizon gets fixed. 593 00:58:39,347.112 --> 00:58:43,827.112 This is the book, right? There's no need to go beyond it. 594 00:58:44,427.111 --> 00:58:55,147.112 And there you have the child archetype, and that's really what the problem with religion is, is it's filled the world full of people and adult bodies with the psyche of a child. 595 00:58:55,762.112 --> 00:59:19,722.112 that doesn't actually have the courage to go deep into the unknown and risk the demons and the dragons that are, you know, rampant in the unconscious mind and explore and be courageous enough to stake out its own territory because the instant you do that you have to become part of the non consensus reality. 596 00:59:20,567.112 --> 00:59:24,47.112 This is why shaman never live with the tribe that they service. 597 00:59:24,467.112 --> 00:59:32,767.112 They don't want to be in the consensus reality because as soon as people start associating with them as the average individual, they lose their power. 598 00:59:33,147.112 --> 00:59:36,777.112 And the other problem is, is they start becoming like those people. 599 00:59:37,197.111 --> 00:59:48,367.111 So the next thing you know, they're caught up in family squabbles and arguments instead of doing their spiritual practices and expanding consciousness and navigating the dimensions that people get caught in. 600 00:59:48,897.112 --> 01:00:11,7.112 So it's kind of like having the CEO of a major corporation down in the supply room, taking paper out of a paper jam, instead of looking at how do you invest in grow this company? So really what religion has done is taken the CEO out of us and turned us into people that pack bags in a supply room. 601 01:00:11,287.112 --> 01:00:13,407.112 And we think that's all there is to it. 602 01:00:13,807.112 --> 01:00:17,177.112 So spirituality says we don't need. 603 01:00:17,772.112 --> 01:00:18,702.112 all these books. 604 01:00:18,702.112 --> 01:00:20,542.112 Yes, there's great stuff in them. 605 01:00:20,942.112 --> 01:00:21,682.112 Work with it. 606 01:00:21,752.112 --> 01:00:23,142.112 Test it in your life. 607 01:00:23,942.112 --> 01:00:26,412.112 Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. 608 01:00:26,412.112 --> 01:00:34,872.113 That's a really good thing to, to take in your pocket and keep it with you because if you test it, you'll find out it's really true. 609 01:00:35,92.112 --> 01:00:39,82.112 So we don't want to get rid of that, you know, and that's not even from religion. 610 01:00:39,82.112 --> 01:00:40,232.112 That's from confusions. 611 01:00:40,232.112 --> 01:00:42,172.112 It just happens to show up in religion. 612 01:00:42,572.112 --> 01:00:48,712.112 So ultimately spirituality says, look, I'm, I'm going to, get past all the dogma. 613 01:00:49,292.112 --> 01:00:56,12.112 I'm actually going to engage an honest quest to grow and to truly understand. 614 01:00:56,12.112 --> 01:00:58,82.112 And people forget the word understanding. 615 01:00:58,82.112 --> 01:01:02,412.113 It's very important to understand what that means to understand something. 616 01:01:02,472.112 --> 01:01:16,812.113 Like if you say, I understand for doctors, I understand the importance of creating my own happiness, moving my body enough to keep it healthy and accomplish my dream goals and objectives. 617 01:01:17,692.113 --> 01:01:23,62.113 eating real food and for my individual needs instead of reading diet books and believing it. 618 01:01:23,442.113 --> 01:01:34,522.113 I understand the importance of rest introspection and having my own inner sanctum, my own inner space and spending time in my interior where I can really commune with, be honest with, and love myself. 619 01:01:34,922.113 --> 01:01:41,137.013 If you understand those four doctors, that is really what you're standing on as Kyle Kingsbury. 620 01:01:41,537.013 --> 01:01:49,527.013 Because if I take one of those four doctors out of your understanding, there's now a gaping hole in the floor that you can fall through at any time. 621 01:01:49,927.013 --> 01:01:51,922.013 You understand? A hundred percent. 622 01:01:52,102.013 --> 01:01:52,352.013 Yeah. 623 01:01:52,352.013 --> 01:01:52,952.013 A hundred percent. 624 01:01:53,337.013 --> 01:01:55,787.013 And that's the problem with our education system. 625 01:01:55,787.013 --> 01:02:05,957.013 It does not teach people things that they can stand on, that actually become stable enough to be congruent with the nature of reality. 626 01:02:06,667.013 --> 01:02:10,337.013 And as I shared in the Know Thyself podcast, reality is two things. 627 01:02:10,337.013 --> 01:02:12,57.013 It's what's happening right now. 628 01:02:12,547.013 --> 01:02:15,27.013 And it's everything that your life depends on. 629 01:02:15,387.013 --> 01:02:21,717.012 Well, if you don't understand that your life depends on your own ability to create happiness in your life. 630 01:02:22,37.013 --> 01:02:25,447.013 If you don't understand that your life itself is movement. 631 01:02:25,537.013 --> 01:02:28,427.013 You take movement out of the equation and there is no life. 632 01:02:28,487.012 --> 01:02:31,297.013 Everything in this created universe is moving. 633 01:02:31,987.013 --> 01:02:33,617.013 Right to the atom and below. 634 01:02:34,117.013 --> 01:02:36,67.013 Subatomic particles are moving. 635 01:02:36,872.013 --> 01:02:43,572.013 You cannot take diet out of your understanding because everything has to eat something else. 636 01:02:43,572.013 --> 01:02:45,542.013 That's what the Ouroboros is telling you. 637 01:02:46,12.013 --> 01:02:47,742.013 There is nothing here but God. 638 01:02:48,252.013 --> 01:02:52,42.013 So God, the dragon, has nothing to eat but its own tail. 639 01:02:52,442.013 --> 01:02:54,152.013 So there's the truth of God. 640 01:02:54,162.012 --> 01:02:56,252.013 God is actually eating itself. 641 01:02:56,807.013 --> 01:02:59,27.013 and regenerating itself constantly. 642 01:02:59,287.013 --> 01:03:02,897.013 And if God over consumes itself, it ceases to exist. 643 01:03:03,327.013 --> 01:03:10,187.012 If it under consumes itself, it gets so big that it has to figure out how to feed a bigger self. 644 01:03:10,887.012 --> 01:03:16,787.013 So the paradox is, this is why the principle of the Tao, not too much, not too little, that's the way of the Tao. 645 01:03:17,77.013 --> 01:03:18,317.013 God is the Tao. 646 01:03:18,457.013 --> 01:03:19,747.013 God as zero is the Tao. 647 01:03:19,747.013 --> 01:03:23,247.012 So the, the reality of it is Sharpie. 648 01:03:24,22.013 --> 01:03:24,962.013 is zero. 649 01:03:25,662.013 --> 01:03:29,2.013 But in order to create Shiva she has to borrow from zero. 650 01:03:29,892.013 --> 01:03:35,322.013 Anytime we dream we create a negative and then we fulfill it by creating a positive. 651 01:03:35,942.013 --> 01:03:57,927.013 So when Shakti dreams Shiva into existence she has to have the belief that Shiva's not there, or why would she have the desire in the first place? So then the negative gives birth to the positive, the creation, But when you say, okay, here's Shiva and here's Shakti, she was dreaming. 652 01:03:57,937.013 --> 01:03:58,837.013 She's the negative. 653 01:03:58,837.013 --> 01:03:59,607.013 He's the positive. 654 01:03:59,607.013 --> 01:04:02,637.013 If you juxtapose them against each other, you get zero. 655 01:04:03,477.013 --> 01:04:07,917.013 And so how does this play out? Well, you can look at Stephen Hawking. 656 01:04:07,917.013 --> 01:04:13,747.013 You can look at Paul Dirac and many other scientists who have actually calculated the total mass of the universe. 657 01:04:14,137.013 --> 01:04:19,547.013 Paul Dirac did it by looking at protons and antiprotons and mathematically calculated. 658 01:04:20,107.013 --> 01:04:23,407.013 that the actual sum total of the universe is zero. 659 01:04:24,37.013 --> 01:04:30,577.013 Because if you mathematically calculate anti protons against protons, it means there's no atoms to be left. 660 01:04:31,542.013 --> 01:04:34,452.013 So somehow we're in this magical, mysterious reality. 661 01:04:34,452.013 --> 01:04:40,892.013 Stephen Hawking said that the sum total of the universe is zero, but he, but he, he kind of made a big mistake. 662 01:04:40,892.013 --> 01:04:46,12.012 He said, because the sum total of the universe is zero, there is no need for God. 663 01:04:46,82.012 --> 01:04:52,512.013 And I'm like, uh, dude, you just figured out what God is, but because you're too trapped in a material perspective. 664 01:04:53,12.013 --> 01:05:01,722.013 perspective of everything, you didn't realize that you just actually figured out the greatest truth of all, but you hit it at a number. 665 01:05:02,122.013 --> 01:05:04,282.013 understand what I'm saying? Absolutely. 666 01:05:04,682.013 --> 01:05:05,342.013 Absolutely. 667 01:05:05,572.013 --> 01:05:06,142.013 Oh, I love this. 668 01:05:06,142.013 --> 01:05:07,902.013 I want to, I want it to get into where at the hour mark. 669 01:05:07,932.013 --> 01:05:11,832.014 Several things that you've alluded to and broken down, I think are critically important. 670 01:05:12,92.014 --> 01:05:14,792.014 And one of the main pieces, I think, is that. 671 01:05:15,192.014 --> 01:05:26,32.014 You know, as we break down something that's ultimately unknowable to a certain extent that it broadens our awareness, it's not for nothing, right? It's not, it's not, you know, it's not for nothing. 672 01:05:26,72.014 --> 01:05:35,42.014 And just as I come to know thyself on the interior of what, what does my body want? What is the exact right diet for me in this moment? And I engage with that. 673 01:05:35,512.014 --> 01:05:36,582.014 Things get better. 674 01:05:36,672.014 --> 01:05:38,22.014 There's a very practical. 675 01:05:38,422.014 --> 01:06:02,132.014 You know, checks and balances to how I treat myself when I go to bed a little earlier, how, how, when I, when I work with the four doctors and I make sure that I'm filling my cup each day and enjoying my life, that there becomes very real, very tangible and practical improvements in my life from my income to my schedule, to just the general sense of peace, well being and joy that I carry on a daily basis. 676 01:06:02,417.013 --> 01:06:06,712.014 Can I expand on that briefly? But yeah, if I can do it, brother, go, please. 677 01:06:07,22.014 --> 01:06:18,392.013 Just, I know you got a question and I want to do everything that you want to get to, but you've just hit a very, very important point that most people have not comprehended at great expense to themselves. 678 01:06:18,792.013 --> 01:06:27,442.013 Everything we've just talked about is as true as I can share it after 63 years of deep commitment to penetrating these very issues. 679 01:06:27,682.013 --> 01:06:34,792.013 As you know, you, you've done it with me many times on many levels, but the reality of it is, is that. 680 01:06:35,192.013 --> 01:06:42,42.013 With health and vitality comes a natural expansion of one's creativity. 681 01:06:42,442.013 --> 01:06:54,92.013 To the degree that you do not meet your biological needs to keep your body healthy, you will lower yourself in the structure stages of consciousness, because consciousness requires so much energy. 682 01:06:54,92.013 --> 01:07:04,272.013 About 80 percent of the available energy in your blood sugar at any given moment is absorbed by the brain to run the cognitive functions whenever you're cognitively engaged. 683 01:07:04,812.013 --> 01:07:36,437.012 So to the degree that you're in an energy crisis because your autonomic nervous system, your glands, your organs, your internal physiological survival systems are competing for energy and resources, You're brought out of the mode of conscious processing, which is energy consumptive, into unconscious programming, which runs automatically, which is why I say in my book, How to Eat, Move, and Be Healthy, it's a bad idea to throw in a cartwheel, creativity, if you're running from a lion. 684 01:07:36,837.012 --> 01:07:45,607.012 So the way you survive a lion is you, your instincts take over, and you climb a tree so fast you don't even know how you got up the damn thing. 685 01:07:45,777.012 --> 01:07:49,817.012 And then you sit there and shake and quiver and celebrate the fact that you're alive. 686 01:07:50,537.011 --> 01:08:06,2.0110001 So as people's health individually, in a family, or collectively breaks down, We become more and more unconscious and we go backwards in our survival drives, which we can talk about when we get to structure stages of consciousness. 687 01:08:06,612.0120001 --> 01:08:14,182.0120001 But the key, one of the key points of Spirit Gym is that Spirit Gym is not a metaphysical tour de France. 688 01:08:14,682.0110001 --> 01:08:21,102.0120001 Spirit Gym is a truly holistic approach to legitimate spiritual development. 689 01:08:21,487.0120001 --> 01:08:28,87.0120001 in which you must pay attention to nutrition, hydration, sleep, breathing, thinking, and movement. 690 01:08:28,677.0120001 --> 01:08:37,537.0110001 You must have four doctor awareness or you will fall so deep into the trap of your own lack of awareness. 691 01:08:37,687.0120001 --> 01:08:47,667.0120001 The pain teacher will show up and if the pain teacher doesn't wake you up, you will continue to use methods to deal with the pain that make you more and more unconscious. 692 01:08:48,117.0120001 --> 01:08:52,787.0120001 because you're not actually dealing with the whole in your living philosophy. 693 01:08:52,787.0120001 --> 01:08:54,527.0120001 So you will keep falling into it. 694 01:08:54,937.0120001 --> 01:09:02,267.0110001 You drug the symptoms of a irritable bowel syndrome and you don't think you have it anymore. 695 01:09:02,537.0110001 --> 01:09:11,797.0110001 Well, the next thing you know, the very consciousness, the energy, the trauma, whatever's behind it still hasn't been addressed. 696 01:09:12,207.0110001 --> 01:09:14,767.0110001 So it keeps eating away until it gets your attention. 697 01:09:14,787.0110001 --> 01:09:17,257.0110001 And so now you've got heart problems. 698 01:09:17,327.0110001 --> 01:09:25,212.0120001 And if you medicate that and get surgery, Then you end up with brain problems or some other kind of cancer. 699 01:09:25,212.0120001 --> 01:09:29,102.0120001 And it just keeps going on until you finally hold still and accept responsibility. 700 01:09:29,717.0120001 --> 01:09:46,767.0110001 for the creative abilities of God within you and realize that the same creative energy that you've been using unconsciously, if directed consciously to where the pain teachers taking you will actually free all that trapped libido and all that fear. 701 01:09:47,127.0110001 --> 01:10:10,162.0120001 And all of a sudden when you now have enough energy and resources to keep your body healthy, which is the only temple you really have, Your creativity opens up, but first you have to meet the prerequisites of being a whole healthy person, or your creativity is grounded like lightning gets grounded by a lightning rod right into the earth. 702 01:10:10,562.0120001 --> 01:10:11,412.0120001 That was awesome. 703 01:10:11,812.0120001 --> 01:10:12,882.0120001 I'm happy you jumped in there. 704 01:10:12,882.0120001 --> 01:10:14,232.0120001 I couldn't have framed it any better. 705 01:10:14,672.0120001 --> 01:10:23,292.0110001 Um, and I, and I think that's, that's really, you know, we've been chatting here 55 minutes or so into this and you've, you've broken down so much. 706 01:10:23,312.0110001 --> 01:10:31,152.0110001 I want people to know that, you know, even, even when I'm in spirit gym right now, there's pieces of it that I got to chew on for a while, right? It's not just easily digested. 707 01:10:31,422.0110001 --> 01:10:37,762.0110001 Most of it is, but, but because you're breaking it down at a practical level, but there are pieces that take me to actually chew on. 708 01:10:37,762.0110001 --> 01:10:38,122.0110001 I think. 709 01:10:38,457.0110001 --> 01:10:43,977.0110001 For the listener who's made it an hour into this conversation, trust that there is purpose behind everything. 710 01:10:44,7.0110001 --> 01:10:45,417.0110001 That there is purpose behind everything. 711 01:10:45,417.0110001 --> 01:10:48,837.0110001 You're breaking down from the teachings from the zero all the way up. 712 01:10:49,187.0110001 --> 01:10:55,187.0110001 And that the, the reality of it is it, I, it is built to improve us at every level. 713 01:10:55,567.0110001 --> 01:11:01,87.0110001 And through that improvement, there is more joy, there is more wholeness, there is more consciousness and more awareness. 714 01:11:01,652.0110001 --> 01:11:02,962.0110001 Yes, and a quick tip. 715 01:11:03,792.0110001 --> 01:11:15,672.0110001 Our inherent tendency, which is our gift and our Achilles heel, is to keep thinking about stuff like this, but the act of thinking is to cut it into smaller pieces. 716 01:11:16,277.0110001 --> 01:11:19,867.0110001 So one has to be very careful not to fall into the Western trap. 717 01:11:19,877.0110001 --> 01:11:23,27.0110001 This is the difference between the Eastern religions and the Western religions. 718 01:11:23,37.0110001 --> 01:11:24,917.0110001 The Western religions are totally heady. 719 01:11:25,317.0110001 --> 01:11:33,287.0110001 The Eastern religions are much more heart based, like Hatha yoga, Bhakti yoga, devotional yoga, the Tao. 720 01:11:33,297.0110001 --> 01:11:34,467.0110001 There is no God. 721 01:11:34,867.0110001 --> 01:11:37,547.0110001 There is the balance of that which is created and uncreated. 722 01:11:37,947.0110001 --> 01:11:50,367.0110001 Um, Buddhism, the ground of being, you know, so you see What I'm pointing to here is be careful about thinking about it, because what's truer than your thoughts is your feelings. 723 01:11:50,767.0110001 --> 01:11:58,197.0110001 What's truer than your thoughts? See, when, when you really love your wife, do you have to think about it? Not at all. 724 01:11:58,557.0120001 --> 01:11:59,317.0110001 Not at all. 725 01:11:59,857.0110001 --> 01:12:04,417.0110001 In fact, you don't have to think about what you would be willing to do to protect her and your children. 726 01:12:04,887.0110001 --> 01:12:14,642.0110001 Does it, do you have to sit and think, wait a minute, am I going to risk getting punched in the face by this guy who's grabbing my wife's ass and and being abusive to my children, there's no thought involved. 727 01:12:15,42.0110001 --> 01:12:22,302.0110001 There's an inherent feeling nature that is governed by a deeper truth than the mind can grapple with. 728 01:12:23,82.0100001 --> 01:12:31,202.0110001 This is a chance to make a very important statement that took me a long time to learn, and I had to learn it the hard way. 729 01:12:31,602.0110001 --> 01:12:36,272.0110001 Only the heart can deliver truth and justice to the head. 730 01:12:36,997.0110001 --> 01:12:39,957.0110001 And you don't think with a heart, you feel with it. 731 01:12:40,357.0110001 --> 01:12:59,967.0120001 And if people applied that to the situation the world is in right now, and said, what would love do now, and use their heart to feel what they know, they would start doing the very things we need to do to bring balance back between humanity and nature, and between humanity and each other. 732 01:13:00,967.0120001 --> 01:13:15,907.0120001 But the more you think about it, the more you dualize it, the more there's a good guy, there's a bad guy, there's somebody right, there's somebody wrong, there's a wrong skin color, the wrong religion, the wrong ism, and you just chop suey yourself to death with all this thinking. 733 01:13:16,307.0120001 --> 01:13:23,827.0130001 So my tip for everyone listening, if you really want to enter spirit gym with Kyle and I, use your heart to feel what you know. 734 01:13:23,937.0130001 --> 01:13:36,827.0130001 See what's happening inside as you listen to this story in this podcast unfold and always ask yourself this question after you've felt what's happening inside of yourself. 735 01:13:37,357.0120001 --> 01:13:44,477.0130001 Is it really true? And then be brave enough to do the work inside of yourself to go investigate it. 736 01:13:44,877.0130001 --> 01:13:52,307.0140001 Don't read other people's books because now you're just using somebody else's sword and programming yourself with their truth. 737 01:13:53,212.0140001 --> 01:14:08,162.0130001 This is why, and you know this to be true of me, I devoted myself from the time I was 12 years old to meditation, to 18 years of daily Tai Chi, to Egyptian sun gazing. 738 01:14:08,602.0140001 --> 01:14:10,852.0140001 I was a vegetarian for a year. 739 01:14:10,992.0130001 --> 01:14:12,812.0140001 I've studied all the world religions. 740 01:14:12,812.1140001 --> 01:14:16,432.0140001 I've practiced hundreds of different spiritual development techniques. 741 01:14:16,432.0140001 --> 01:14:20,742.0140001 I've studied Steiner's teachings for over 30 years and practiced as much as I can. 742 01:14:21,462.0140001 --> 01:14:23,562.0140001 I've spent time in nature. 743 01:14:24,42.0140001 --> 01:14:50,317.0140001 I've done everything I could do on the naturally aspirated path and I've gone as deep as I could possibly go with plant medicines to the fact that it's a fucking miracle I'm even here and nobody knows that better than the guy I'm talking to right now because you and I have been in some very deep ceremonies together that are not for The light hearted, right? There's no thinking going on in those ceremonies. 744 01:14:50,317.0140001 --> 01:14:52,577.0140001 The more you think, the more fucked up you get. 745 01:14:52,977.0140001 --> 01:14:57,757.0130001 You have to use your heart to feel what you know in a ceremony like that, or you're not coming home. 746 01:14:58,167.0140001 --> 01:15:00,847.0140001 You're, you're gonna be recycled to re dream. 747 01:15:01,247.0140001 --> 01:15:07,927.0140001 You know, so my, my only point I'm really trying to make is to do something that's hard for the Western mind to do. 748 01:15:08,327.0140001 --> 01:15:11,437.0140001 Feel what's happening as we talk about these things. 749 01:15:11,517.0140001 --> 01:15:19,157.0140001 Feel what happens when you hear the words, a myth is a story that tells itself and really honestly sit with it. 750 01:15:19,557.0140001 --> 01:15:29,457.0140001 Let that rise up in you and let the myth speak to you from your own soul and let your own inner highest truth guide you. 751 01:15:29,857.0140001 --> 01:15:41,892.0140001 Feel what it means when you ask yourself, what is love? What is love really? And we could go on a long tangent on that, because I have a lot of teachings on love that are very, very important. 752 01:15:42,292.0140001 --> 01:16:08,57.0140001 But with that preface, I just think, because these are such radically expanded, um, dialogues, Most Westerners minds don't really have a category to put them in, so they try to stuff it into a box that fits or that they can reject, because there's a lot of, you know, Jesus lovers right now doing cartwheels and probably about ready to throw their phone out the window or something. 753 01:16:08,417.0130001 --> 01:16:14,987.0150001 But that's thinking, right? Jesus himself in the myth says, thyself. 754 01:16:15,197.0150001 --> 01:16:20,847.0150001 So if you can't incorporate your enemy into yourself, then you really have an enemy always. 755 01:16:21,647.0150001 --> 01:16:27,527.0150001 And the problem is, is that we've gotten to the point in our culture where our head is our perpetual enemy. 756 01:16:27,927.0150001 --> 01:16:33,557.0140001 And it's not, this is why they say the longest journey you'll ever take is from your head to your heart. 757 01:16:33,847.0140001 --> 01:16:37,237.0140001 It's only a foot, but it could take you 800 lifetimes. 758 01:16:38,27.0150001 --> 01:16:40,397.0150001 But I'm saying go there now. 759 01:16:40,627.0160001 --> 01:16:46,877.0150001 Spirit Gym's really about more loving and less thinking and letting your heart guide you. 760 01:16:47,817.0150001 --> 01:16:50,647.0150001 And I've found that's the only way I could heal. 761 01:16:50,647.0150001 --> 01:16:53,937.0150001 It's the only way I can navigate the world situation. 762 01:16:54,537.0150001 --> 01:16:56,807.0150001 It's too overwhelming to think about. 763 01:16:56,817.0150001 --> 01:17:04,627.0140001 What do you do in an environment like we're in? Where truth is impossible to find unless you live with it in yourself. 764 01:17:05,27.0140001 --> 01:17:09,117.0140001 The good is impossible to find unless you create it in your relationships. 765 01:17:09,157.0140001 --> 01:17:12,847.0140001 Beauty is impossible to find unless you have it within yourself. 766 01:17:13,247.0140001 --> 01:17:18,637.0140001 Like, we can't think our way out of the problem we created by thinking too much. 767 01:17:19,187.0140001 --> 01:17:28,447.0130001 We've got to go to our heart, and when you really get there, you find everybody else inside of you, and that's when you know what love is. 768 01:17:28,847.0130001 --> 01:17:30,697.0130001 Well, I think you've beautifully teed up. 769 01:17:30,757.0130001 --> 01:17:33,317.0130001 Um, the structure stages of consciousness. 770 01:17:33,317.0130001 --> 01:17:35,217.0120001 I had Michael meet on the podcast. 771 01:17:35,857.0130001 --> 01:17:39,57.0130001 Oh my god, I want to get him on my podcast, you got to hook me up with him. 772 01:17:39,547.0120001 --> 01:17:40,187.0120001 100%. 773 01:17:40,237.0130001 --> 01:17:40,787.0130001 100%. 774 01:17:40,787.0130001 --> 01:17:42,927.0120001 You know, he wrote a book in 2012. 775 01:17:43,577.0120001 --> 01:17:46,287.0130001 Uh, obviously, you know, we've been in the crisis period for a while here. 776 01:17:46,287.0130001 --> 01:17:49,317.0130001 So his book was timely after 2008 and 2007. 777 01:17:49,937.0130001 --> 01:17:52,387.0130001 Um, but it really landed for me after 2020. 778 01:17:52,387.1130001 --> 01:17:52,471.9130001 Yeah. 779 01:17:53,112.0130001 --> 01:18:02,622.0130001 And it's a book called why the world doesn't end, you know, and there's this picture of the cosmic egg crack, this beautiful artwork, and it had him on the podcast and I was talking about Maladona, Patrice. 780 01:18:02,632.0130001 --> 01:18:07,262.0130001 So may, and, and, you know, his definition of an initiation is. 781 01:18:08,117.0130001 --> 01:18:22,17.0130001 It is only an initiation of death is on the line, Absolutely! right? And so he goes, it might be transformative otherwise, but it's only a real initiation if you can actually die, What is a birth? is on the line, exactly, exactly. 782 01:18:22,517.0130001 --> 01:18:23,877.0130001 And an initiation for the mom. 783 01:18:23,887.0130001 --> 01:18:24,477.0120001 No question. 784 01:18:24,497.0120001 --> 01:18:26,517.0130001 Cause her death is on the, on the line as well. 785 01:18:27,237.0130001 --> 01:18:34,767.0130001 Um, but in thinking about that, there is no doubt humanity is at a stage of initiation all the way across the fucking planet. 786 01:18:35,527.0130001 --> 01:18:36,167.0130001 We're all in it. 787 01:18:36,187.0130001 --> 01:18:38,307.0130001 We're all at some people recognize that many don't. 788 01:18:38,682.0130001 --> 01:18:39,522.0130001 That doesn't matter. 789 01:18:39,832.0130001 --> 01:18:40,952.0130001 We're in the initiation. 790 01:18:41,532.0130001 --> 01:18:57,332.0130001 And so I'd love for you to bring us up through Gadget's model of structure, stage of consciousness and talk, you know, why are we in such a pivotal position as we move from the mental to the integral and what's it going to take to regroup what we've already come from and integrate that into us as we go forward. 791 01:18:57,732.0130001 --> 01:18:58,452.0130001 lovely. 792 01:18:58,542.0130001 --> 01:19:22,502.0130001 Well, first of all, some people break Gebzer's stages down into more stages than the model I usually present, like Ken Wilber adds two additional stages, which is pretty typical Ken Wilber, but, um, I'm gonna give you the model that is coherent enough that we don't have to get into all sorts of additional stuff, because it'll just make the podcast long and unfortunately heady. 793 01:19:22,902.0130001 --> 01:19:30,242.0130001 So Gebser's model, you know, Gene Gebser was a, you know, as Ken Wilber refers to him regularly, a genius, and he was. 794 01:19:30,242.0130001 --> 01:19:33,982.0130001 I mean, he's right there with the Joseph Campbell, a Carl Jung, a Rudolf Steiner. 795 01:19:34,382.0130001 --> 01:19:36,932.0120001 And I have a kind of a side note here. 796 01:19:36,932.0120001 --> 01:19:39,682.0130001 I have a deep love for love of Gene Gebser. 797 01:19:39,682.0130001 --> 01:19:57,972.0130001 I've got his picture on my wall, and I blow smoke to him often, but the strangest thing is he looks just like my grandfather, who I loved deeply, and I look at him, and I see my grandfather, and it's just very emotional for me, so I like, it's like the universe is somehow drawing me to Gene Gebser's teachings, and they're very, very deep. 798 01:19:58,2.0130001 --> 01:20:02,382.0130001 I mean, his book, Ever Present Origin, it's probably about, I don't know, 800 pages. 799 01:20:02,382.0130001 --> 01:20:11,572.0130001 It's, it's, you know, you're, it's not light reading, But Gebster basically broke consciousness down into structure stages. 800 01:20:11,972.0130001 --> 01:20:16,662.0130001 And a stage of consciousness is a stage of developmental awareness. 801 01:20:17,382.0130001 --> 01:20:21,822.0130001 A state of consciousness is something that you enter into for a short period of time. 802 01:20:21,822.0130001 --> 01:20:27,862.0130001 So like, if you take a hit of DMT, you can go to a very, very high state of consciousness. 803 01:20:28,572.0130001 --> 01:20:42,812.0130001 But you cannot stay there unless you are actually at that level, because the center of gravity of the reality of your own mind and your own soul's development will always pull you down to the level that you sympathetically resonate with. 804 01:20:43,652.0130001 --> 01:20:49,162.0130001 You know, this is why I created the saying a long time ago for people coming into ceremony. 805 01:20:49,162.0130001 --> 01:20:52,42.0130001 I tell them, remember this rule. 806 01:20:52,602.0130001 --> 01:20:53,322.0130001 It's a question. 807 01:20:53,342.0130001 --> 01:20:57,762.0130001 How long can you stay in heaven? answer? As long as you can. 808 01:20:58,162.0130001 --> 01:21:03,472.0130001 And if we could stay in heaven, because we really knew what it was, we'd always be there. 809 01:21:03,502.0130001 --> 01:21:10,12.0130001 But because we haven't created heaven inside of ourselves, then we can only live in the heaven that we create. 810 01:21:10,12.0130001 --> 01:21:14,882.0130001 And as we grow consciously, we learn how to create more heaven within. 811 01:21:14,882.0130001 --> 01:21:21,482.0130001 This is why Jesus said, The kingdom of heaven is on earth, but men do not see it. 812 01:21:21,532.0130001 --> 01:21:27,262.0120001 Or he said it before you, if I can't remember the exact words, but he's telling you the kingdom of heaven is all around you, but men don't see it. 813 01:21:27,892.0130001 --> 01:21:30,842.0130001 Well, obviously he saw, saw it, or he wouldn't have said that. 814 01:21:31,472.0130001 --> 01:21:33,242.0125001 And so that's kind of the paradox. 815 01:21:33,242.0125001 --> 01:21:42,952.0120001 So Gebzer starts with the archaic, then it goes to the magic, then it goes to the mythic, then it goes to the mental. 816 01:21:42,952.1120001 --> 01:21:49,187.0130001 Ken Wilber adds two more stages between mental and integral, but then it goes to integral. 817 01:21:49,437.0130001 --> 01:21:57,677.0130001 Okay, so the archaic stage really correlates to the foundation of the world and its creation. 818 01:21:57,817.0130001 --> 01:22:18,42.0130001 So however far back you go, whatever myth you believe about how the earth was created, the archaic stage is the formation of the earth, the rock, the water, the gases, and the foundation for what ultimately becomes bio, excuse me, biological life. 819 01:22:18,282.0130001 --> 01:22:35,432.0130001 So if you look at the tree of taxonomy, everything emerges from three things, viruses, bacteria, fungi, the virus concept you can go crazy with if you want to, but you could say viruses, genetics, just call it genetics, bacteria and fungi. 820 01:22:35,542.0130001 --> 01:22:39,852.0130001 Without those three things, you would not have biological life. 821 01:22:40,652.0130001 --> 01:23:04,222.0130001 So in Gebzer's model, the archaic stage is the history of everything that the earth went through to produce sentient, aware beings, whether they be a, a, a, a tiger, a giraffe, a monkey, a bear, a fish, anything that can control its own environment and has a sense of self. 822 01:23:04,267.1130001 --> 01:23:18,332.0130001 One of the definitions of consciousness that was given by Anika Harris, who is Sam Harris's wife, she has a little book on consciousness, but she says consciousness, is what it's like to be something. 823 01:23:18,392.0130001 --> 01:23:31,612.0130001 So for example, if you were to put your consciousness into a ladybug, and I said to you, Kyle, what is it like to be a ladybug? And you could tell me it would mean the ladybug was conscious because of something it's like to be a ladybug. 824 01:23:31,962.0120001 --> 01:23:32,402.0120001 Okay. 825 01:23:33,92.0120001 --> 01:23:52,757.0130001 So the archaic stage of development includes everything all the way up to the point where you have living, conscious beings, but when it relates to human beings, the archaic stem, uh, stage merges into the magical stage of consciousness. 826 01:23:53,427.0130001 --> 01:24:17,617.0130001 The magical stage of consciousness is the point at which human beings were aware that they were part of nature, inherently living in nature, and they didn't think about biohacking or they didn't think about, um, how to create an airplane or how to get out of the reality that they were in. 827 01:24:17,637.0120001 --> 01:24:21,287.0130001 That structure stage of consciousness comes way later down the line. 828 01:24:21,687.0130001 --> 01:24:30,677.0120001 But what, what they did was they had a relationship with all the insects and all the creatures just like brothers and sisters in a house. 829 01:24:31,77.0120001 --> 01:24:35,377.0120001 They knew Brother Tiger is somebody to really respect. 830 01:24:35,777.0120001 --> 01:24:55,452.0120001 Brother Lion and Mama Elephant, you know, they each had a type of innate intelligence and In our ancestry, and native tribes knew this, they studied, if you want to learn how to build something, Brother Crow is a great builder. 831 01:24:55,652.0120001 --> 01:25:01,72.0110001 In fact, crows actually have a language that's extremely comprehensive. 832 01:25:01,472.0110001 --> 01:25:04,942.0110001 They can speak apparently about 500 different words. 833 01:25:05,762.0120001 --> 01:25:14,492.0120001 They have brains that are as complex as human beings, so they have a cortex and a brain that's by body weight as big as ours. 834 01:25:15,207.0120001 --> 01:25:20,457.0120001 So here's an example of where the natives looked at ravens and crows and watched them. 835 01:25:21,257.0120001 --> 01:25:26,347.0120001 And they went, ah, look how, look at them making tools to fish termites. 836 01:25:26,707.0120001 --> 01:25:28,297.0120001 Look at them building nests. 837 01:25:28,507.0110001 --> 01:25:36,17.0110001 I've actually seen videos of crows making tools and it's mind blowing how intelligent these beings are. 838 01:25:36,567.0110001 --> 01:25:53,597.0100001 Then they looked at how does A buffalo or a sheep care for its young, where how does it create resources? They learned about milk, they learned about spiders, and about how you weave a web, and how you can actually weave things together. 839 01:25:54,157.0110001 --> 01:26:04,257.0110001 So in the magical stage of intelligence, we're in a fusion with nature, we're not separate from it, and we are watching and listening. 840 01:26:04,487.0110001 --> 01:26:30,207.0110001 And as I shared in previous discussions, If you look at the art that's left over from cave paintings and rock carvings and carvings on horns and various trinkets that have been collected, you know, for up to 85, 000 years or so ago, one of the things that Gebzer points out is during the magic stage, any of the depictions of human beings had no mouths on them. 841 01:26:30,607.0110001 --> 01:26:38,997.0110001 So what the interpretation of that is, is that it was far more important to listen to survive in nature than it was to talk. 842 01:26:39,657.0110001 --> 01:27:06,397.0110001 And when you think about what it would be like to live in a jungle that long ago, I mean before we had a lot of fancy tools and firearms and things like, I mean we're dealing with stone tools and things, You would have had to have very, very good hearing and a great sense of smell, because if you didn't, I mean, the amount, the capacity to smell, to see, and to hear most animals have far exceeds what we have. 843 01:27:07,207.0110001 --> 01:27:14,107.0110001 So you'd have to really be tapped into your senses, and you have to have tremendous respect for these creatures. 844 01:27:14,747.0110001 --> 01:27:17,197.0110001 And know how to navigate and how to share with them. 845 01:27:17,597.0110001 --> 01:27:25,507.0110001 You know, I don't know if you ever heard my podcast with Daniel Maple, the guy that makes the animal essences, but he has a lot of experiences working with bears. 846 01:27:26,157.0110001 --> 01:27:32,757.0100001 And he, he makes it very clear, you can develop relationships with them, and, and they will take you in as part of their family. 847 01:27:32,767.0100001 --> 01:27:40,897.0110001 And we've actually got recorded histories of children that somehow got separated from their parents as babies and were raised by wolves and other animals. 848 01:27:40,897.1110001 --> 01:27:40,916.9110001 so much. 849 01:27:41,567.0110001 --> 01:27:43,197.0110001 And they don't learn how to speak. 850 01:27:43,317.0110001 --> 01:27:50,507.0110001 They don't become what we would call human, but those animals actually nourish them and feed them and protect them and raise them. 851 01:27:50,817.0110001 --> 01:27:54,627.0110001 They just can't develop human consciousness without the presence of other humans. 852 01:27:55,77.0110001 --> 01:28:03,257.0110001 So you see that there is an inherent understanding in nature that it's not just me against you. 853 01:28:03,357.0110001 --> 01:28:10,577.0100001 There's a, an actual balance and a harmony and a respect and a support that's inherent throughout nature. 854 01:28:11,7.0100001 --> 01:28:19,117.0110001 And so one of the key ways to identify the magical stage is ask any real shaman, especially in the jungle. 855 01:28:19,737.0110001 --> 01:28:32,962.0110001 How did you know how to create ayahuasca? How did you know which plants were high in DMT? There's about 350, 000 edible plants and millions of other plants that aren't edible. 856 01:28:33,612.0110001 --> 01:28:58,82.0100001 So you gotta say, how did people X number of thousand years ago know exactly which vine had Peginum harmelina in it, which has Syrian rue in it, which blocks the MAO enzymes in the brain to allow DMT to be liberated into the bloodstream and take effect on the human nervous system to open the gates to higher dimensions. 857 01:28:58,917.0100001 --> 01:29:04,277.0100001 And we're talking like way before the word pharmacology was even invented. 858 01:29:04,507.0100001 --> 01:29:05,27.0100001 Okay. 859 01:29:05,867.0100001 --> 01:29:10,567.0090001 And they always say the plants taught me and so do the medicine men. 860 01:29:10,567.0100001 --> 01:29:13,377.0100001 So, you know, this is why shaman do a dieta. 861 01:29:13,387.0090001 --> 01:29:16,827.0105001 You actually ingest nothing but tobacco for about a month. 862 01:29:16,827.0105001 --> 01:29:19,947.0100001 And you were so infused with the spirit of that plant. 863 01:29:19,947.0100001 --> 01:29:24,837.0100001 You can become one with the consciousness of the oversold tobacco plant. 864 01:29:25,197.0100001 --> 01:29:38,72.0100001 And at that time, that plant consciousness can teach you all sorts of stuff that is the wisdom of the tobacco plant, just like if you were to become one with a lion, you could learn all sorts of lion wisdom. 865 01:29:38,802.0090001 --> 01:29:51,322.0110001 So in the magic stage, nature was not other, it was ourselves, but our sense of ourselves permeated the environment and just like inside of ourselves. 866 01:29:51,322.0110001 --> 01:29:56,322.0110001 Look, if you eat a piece of chicken, the first thing that happens is it gets chewed to bits. 867 01:29:57,7.0110001 --> 01:30:00,197.0110001 It gets mixed with digestive enzymes that start breaking it down. 868 01:30:00,207.0110001 --> 01:30:08,957.0100001 It falls into a vat of hydrochloric acid where it is dismantled right down to amino acids, molecules of fat and molecules of carbohydrate. 869 01:30:09,367.0100001 --> 01:30:12,887.0100001 And it ceases to hold the identity of the chicken anymore. 870 01:30:13,57.0100001 --> 01:30:16,467.0100001 And it becomes the building blocks out of which you can build your own body. 871 01:30:16,477.0100001 --> 01:30:21,427.0110001 What am I saying? In nature, there is a digestive process. 872 01:30:21,477.0110001 --> 01:30:24,687.0110001 Everything is dying in order to feed something else. 873 01:30:24,687.0110001 --> 01:30:26,17.0110001 There's your Ouroboros again. 874 01:30:26,477.0110001 --> 01:30:41,737.0100001 So at the magic level of consciousness, there was a real understanding of this balance of destruction as essential to creation, death as essential to the, to the support of life, and life to create death. 875 01:30:41,737.0110001 --> 01:30:43,397.0105001 So that's the Tai Chi symbol. 876 01:30:43,397.0105001 --> 01:30:52,667.0110001 The death is the yin, the dark, the return, and the light is the yang, the life process, and life and death are constantly feeding each other. 877 01:30:53,47.0110001 --> 01:31:00,217.0110001 So people at the archaic level of consciousness were not only aware of, but inherent to this process. 878 01:31:00,657.0110001 --> 01:31:08,857.0100001 And so that's where you have, that's where we have our innate memory of the importance of relating to plants. 879 01:31:09,147.0110001 --> 01:31:12,957.0110001 This is where our urge to love our houseplants comes from. 880 01:31:13,407.0110001 --> 01:31:16,287.0110001 and to water them and to see them as beautiful. 881 01:31:16,287.0110001 --> 01:31:28,177.0110001 This is why we know how important it is to raise food ethically and morally and to raise animals ethically and morally because that's inside of us from living with them. 882 01:31:28,177.1110001 --> 01:31:37,587.0110001 And, and, and, and as Yogananda describes, we all evolve through as souls, you know, a long conversation can be how the soul itself evolves. 883 01:31:37,587.0110001 --> 01:31:42,587.0110001 And Aristotle talked quite a lot about this as did Plotinus and many others. 884 01:31:42,987.0110001 --> 01:32:04,127.0110001 But you see, that magic level of consciousness is an understanding that we are not separate from nature, and nature is not only outside of us, but it's inside of us, because everything that's happening outside of you that we call an ecosystem lives inside of you as the ecosystem that allows you to exist and to say, I am. 885 01:32:04,977.0110001 --> 01:32:12,207.0100001 So that's also where animism come from, and that is the ancient belief that everything is animated. 886 01:32:12,917.0110001 --> 01:32:19,237.0110001 And it is, right? There's something inside of the tiger looking at you and making it breathe and making it move. 887 01:32:19,677.0110001 --> 01:32:24,967.0110001 There's something that makes plants and trees grow to the sun, and they always know where the sun is at. 888 01:32:25,147.0110001 --> 01:32:25,837.0110001 Always. 889 01:32:26,237.0110001 --> 01:32:34,837.0110001 So the, the magic stage is coherent with the principle of animism, which means everything is alive, even a stone. 890 01:32:35,447.0110001 --> 01:32:38,67.0110001 Steiner talks about the consciousness of stones. 891 01:32:38,952.0110001 --> 01:32:49,192.0110001 And, you know, these things seem very odd to people, but to the degree that this conversation seems odd to you, you'll, you'll realize why in a few minutes. 892 01:32:49,982.0110001 --> 01:32:50,712.0110001 We'll get there. 893 01:32:51,702.0110001 --> 01:32:54,872.0120001 So, out of the magic came the mythic. 894 01:32:55,772.0120001 --> 01:33:03,412.0120001 When the mythic stage emerged, interestingly, human depictions artistically of each other showed up with mouths. 895 01:33:04,207.0120001 --> 01:33:11,127.0120001 So at the time the ma the magic turns into the mythic, we begin telling stories to each other. 896 01:33:11,847.0120001 --> 01:33:27,787.0120001 Usually the shaman and the chiefs, the shaman would inform the chief, but then the elders would be able to convey to us stories about the most important things you had to understand in order to live. 897 01:33:27,797.0120001 --> 01:33:29,797.0120001 In other words, everything we had learned. 898 01:33:30,347.0120001 --> 01:33:39,27.0120001 in the magic stage by being one with and being kin with now became the ground of real mythology. 899 01:33:39,507.0120001 --> 01:33:45,797.0120001 And so a myth becomes a code of conduct for living in harmony with nature. 900 01:33:46,207.0110001 --> 01:33:53,397.0120001 It becomes a code of conduct for recognizing, realizing, and maintaining the magic, mystery, and awe of life. 901 01:33:54,7.0120001 --> 01:33:55,217.0120001 Because we know. 902 01:33:55,762.0120001 --> 01:34:04,482.0120001 For sure, life comes with birth and death, neither of which we really can consciously comprehend too deeply. 903 01:34:05,182.0120001 --> 01:34:16,472.0120001 You only can live once in this lifetime, meaning, you know, once you're on the other side, you're not able to come back and say, now there's, we can get into how we can do that, but that's a different discussion. 904 01:34:17,272.0120001 --> 01:34:22,482.0120001 But you see, myths are there to convey to the best of our ability. 905 01:34:22,997.0120001 --> 01:34:48,627.0120001 What are these forces that create and destroy? What is lightning? What is an eclipse? What is the sun? How is it that this thing we call the moon have has an effect on everything? How is it that women's menstrual cycles and animals menstrual cycles all seem to be regulated by the position of the moon in the sky? And this goes on all over the place. 906 01:34:48,647.0120001 --> 01:34:57,892.0120001 And how is it that you can put 30 women in a tribe together and within a short period of time, all their menstrual cycles will harmonize. 907 01:34:58,292.0120001 --> 01:35:22,877.0120001 So what, what the myth is trying to convey to you is what in the world is it that's making these women's menstrual cycles harmonize? What is it that's making them bleed? What is it that's causing the tides to move? What is it that's making the sunshine? What is it that's causing the earth to shake periodically? and make mountains fall down and homes dissolve and people die. 908 01:35:23,707.0120001 --> 01:35:36,257.0110001 What is this mystery of fire that can kill and can destroy, but can also be used to make tools, to melt rocks and get metals out of them and all the amazing things. 909 01:35:36,757.0110001 --> 01:35:41,197.0120001 So really this is why Marci Eliade said something profound. 910 01:35:41,197.0120001 --> 01:35:46,977.0120001 He said, all myths are inherently true because they're about lived experiences. 911 01:35:47,612.0120001 --> 01:36:02,352.0120001 They're telling you the stories that people actually lived, and they could only encapsulate these forces within the context of the language and the depth of perception that they had at that time. 912 01:36:03,102.0110001 --> 01:36:07,902.0110001 So to say a myth is not true is like saying our ancestors were never here. 913 01:36:08,302.0110001 --> 01:36:14,602.0120001 It's literally like saying, um, any belief you have about lightning or had about lightning isn't true. 914 01:36:15,2.0120001 --> 01:36:17,562.0120001 Well, people got killed by lightning. 915 01:36:17,572.0120001 --> 01:36:21,262.0120001 Are you saying that wasn't true? Lightning started forest fires. 916 01:36:21,262.0120001 --> 01:36:27,2.0120001 Are you saying that wasn't true? Lightning struck people and turned them into shaman instantly. 917 01:36:27,102.0120001 --> 01:36:31,92.0120001 Are you saying that's not true? Because there's a lot of recorded history on that. 918 01:36:31,492.0120001 --> 01:36:54,782.0120001 So, at the essence, you see, the mythical stage of development is when we realize that we can help each other understand, learn, and grow by telling the very stories that helped us stay alive, that helped us realize How you do and do not behave in relationship to your kin, which we call the rest of nature. 919 01:36:55,342.0120001 --> 01:37:16,152.0120001 How do you relate to fellow human beings so they don't want to just exterminate you as well? How do you relate to these powerful forces? Well, today they call it magical thinking to Like if you, for example, are more oriented toward the Egyptian philosophy and you worship the sun and you think that's God. 920 01:37:16,442.0120001 --> 01:37:41,52.0110001 A scientific materialist would say you're a complete child and you're worshiping a ball of gas and they would, would, uh, maybe call you an animist or, or some kind of put down, right? But we, we, we have to kind of have empathy for that because they're the subject, the process, they're the product of a scientific materialistic. 921 01:37:41,577.0110001 --> 01:37:54,817.0100001 paradigm, which is the left brain phenomenon, the left brain disease, right? So, myths were there to guide us to understand the proprietories and improprietaries of getting along with each other and getting along with life. 922 01:37:55,317.0110001 --> 01:38:05,942.0110001 They were there to help us navigate the process from birth through childhood, to adulthood, to maturity, to death and to understand the process of death. 923 01:38:05,942.0110001 --> 01:38:11,252.0110001 So if you didn't have myth, you did not understand what was happening at these different phases of life. 924 01:38:11,782.0110001 --> 01:38:17,262.0110001 And you might, like the story of Buddha, when he first saw old sick people, it was very shocking to him. 925 01:38:17,262.0110001 --> 01:38:28,202.0110001 You're like, what in the world is that? Right? Um, myths are there to give us a sense of an internal guidance system. 926 01:38:28,602.0110001 --> 01:38:35,142.0110001 in order for us to be able to relate to something that's so big we don't really have the ability to comprehend it. 927 01:38:35,772.0110001 --> 01:38:39,802.0110001 So whenever you're dealing with a question like God, you end up with a myth. 928 01:38:40,602.0110001 --> 01:38:43,322.0110001 And ultimately, what are religions? They're myths. 929 01:38:43,722.0110001 --> 01:38:52,452.0110001 What is science? It's, it's a myth full of facts, but no scientist's worth his salt says, I know everything. 930 01:38:52,502.0110001 --> 01:38:55,122.0110001 Like we, we know a lot about the cell today. 931 01:38:55,577.0110001 --> 01:39:00,167.0110001 But anybody that's a real scientist would tell you there's a lot more about the cell that we don't know. 932 01:39:00,167.0110001 --> 01:39:04,587.0100001 In fact, it's so much vaster than what we do know it's kind of trippy. 933 01:39:05,497.0110001 --> 01:39:14,187.0120001 So ultimately what you see is that we have to mythologize because we cannot come to the true knowing. 934 01:39:14,217.0120001 --> 01:39:18,347.0120001 How do you, how do you ultimately, this for example, here's a perfect example. 935 01:39:18,797.0120001 --> 01:39:19,717.0120001 Nassim Harriman. 936 01:39:20,407.0120001 --> 01:39:22,677.0110001 We all, most people know who Nassim Harriman is. 937 01:39:23,77.0110001 --> 01:39:31,427.0110001 Nassim Harriman seriously challenges Einstein's formula E equals mc squared, which is accepted pretty much universally by most scientists. 938 01:39:31,507.0110001 --> 01:39:33,847.011 Wouldn't you agree? think so. 939 01:39:34,737.0110001 --> 01:39:40,17.0110001 Most people believe that there's an energy mass equivalence, but here's what Nassim Harriman says. 940 01:39:40,657.0100001 --> 01:39:44,797.0110001 Okay, that's really good, except there's only a couple of fundamental problems. 941 01:39:45,197.0110001 --> 01:39:49,447.0110001 We, to this day, do not know what energy is, and we don't know what mass is. 942 01:39:49,847.0110001 --> 01:39:53,677.0110001 Scientifically, we do not know what mass is. 943 01:39:53,857.0110001 --> 01:39:58,387.0110001 We don't know, really, how it's created, and we don't truly know what energy is. 944 01:39:58,387.0110001 --> 01:40:02,397.0110001 We come up with a slogan, and we say, energy is work potential. 945 01:40:02,637.0110001 --> 01:40:04,787.0100001 We don't know what's doing the work. 946 01:40:05,187.0100001 --> 01:40:12,937.0110001 This is why, when I interviewed Walt Thornhill from the Electric Universe, and I said, okay, I love the Electric Universe, there's this one fundamental problem. 947 01:40:12,937.0110001 --> 01:40:21,332.0110001 You're saying the entire universe is an electrical system, and But nowhere in the theory do you say where the energy is coming from. 948 01:40:21,332.0110001 --> 01:40:38,697.0110001 What is providing the potential? If I flip the wall socket, the light switch on in my office, and the lights come on, and I say, What makes that happen? Well, to make a long story short, there's a power station generating electricity So I'd say this is only possible because the power station. 949 01:40:38,937.0110001 --> 01:40:45,627.0110001 So the question is, where is the power station that's driving the whole universe? And the answer is, I don't know. 950 01:40:45,627.0110001 --> 01:40:46,607.0100001 Nobody does. 951 01:40:46,607.0110001 --> 01:40:56,597.0110001 So what do you see? You see a bunch of scientists using the principles of scientists, science, to give us a great theory, but all of them are hanging on the edge of an unknown. 952 01:40:56,607.0110001 --> 01:40:57,207.0110001 That's a myth. 953 01:40:58,162.0110001 --> 01:40:58,932.0110001 the Big Bang. 954 01:40:59,132.0110001 --> 01:41:00,832.0110001 Where'd the energy come from? No one knows. 955 01:41:00,852.0110001 --> 01:41:04,192.0110001 It's a myth, but it's pawned off as objective fact. 956 01:41:04,672.0110001 --> 01:41:14,442.0090001 And if you ask these questions, then you're pushed to the side as somebody that, um, isn't playing the game, right? We don't ask those questions. 957 01:41:14,442.0090001 --> 01:41:19,452.0100001 This is why they have this saying It's called the Copenhagen interpretation in quantum physics. 958 01:41:19,452.0100001 --> 01:41:32,982.0095001 If you start asking the questions about what quantum physics really says about what's going on here, then you have to start dealing with consciousness and mysteries and things like God, and that's not scientific. 959 01:41:32,982.0095001 --> 01:41:49,77.0100001 So the Copenhagen interpretation comes with this slogan, shut up and calculate, keep making, um, phones, keep making military hardware, keep using the principles of quantum physics, but don't ask what it means. 960 01:41:49,477.0100001 --> 01:41:54,167.0100001 Okay? So there you have a left brain orientation towards what is ultimately a myth. 961 01:41:54,717.0090001 --> 01:41:56,477.0100001 And that's what I show in spirit gem. 962 01:41:56,477.0100001 --> 01:41:59,467.0100001 I say, look, I studied 37 theories of everything. 963 01:41:59,467.0100001 --> 01:42:04,957.0100001 Not one of them can give an objective accounting for how the strings got created or how the unit. 964 01:42:05,337.0100001 --> 01:42:15,882.0100001 So they're all myths, but they're just, myths that are backed by a bunch of mathematics, and somehow they all come up with mathematics that work, interestingly. 965 01:42:16,132.0100001 --> 01:42:19,712.0100001 And here's another little observation, as a guy who studied a lot of this stuff. 966 01:42:20,112.0100001 --> 01:42:24,812.0100001 You might find it interesting, Kyle and everyone listening, to research this. 967 01:42:25,32.0090001 --> 01:42:34,447.0100001 How many of the subatomic particles that have been identified in were first theorized by human beings before they were identified. 968 01:42:34,847.0100001 --> 01:42:42,277.0100001 Did the Higgs boson all of a sudden just manifest appear? And we go, Oh my God, look at this, this, let's call it the Higgs boson. 969 01:42:42,487.0100001 --> 01:42:44,797.0090001 No, somebody dreamed it up. 970 01:42:45,567.0100001 --> 01:42:52,242.0100001 They figured it out through mathematical calculations and said, well, if this quark exists, Then something else must exist. 971 01:42:52,382.0100001 --> 01:43:07,282.0090001 And so the point I'm making is what you see, and this is why Einstein said imagination is more important than thinking is that we are projecting our God consciousness into reality and consciousness is manifesting. 972 01:43:07,292.0100001 --> 01:43:13,12.0100001 And this is why Nargajuna said form is emptiness and emptiness is form. 973 01:43:13,692.0100001 --> 01:43:15,92.0100001 People have a hard time with that. 974 01:43:15,382.0100001 --> 01:43:24,322.0090001 Emptiness is form because all form comes out of emptiness, and anything that has form is temporary and dissolves back into emptiness. 975 01:43:24,992.0100001 --> 01:43:38,592.0100001 So the point I'm making is the idea is the form, which is what an archetype is, and it is enlivened by mental consciousness, by the act of looking at it, which attracts its material energy to it. 976 01:43:39,52.0100001 --> 01:43:42,692.0100001 And so what is the basis of Spirit Gym? God dreams. 977 01:43:43,92.0100001 --> 01:43:49,842.0100001 And the dream becomes the form that attracts its material body to itself, and we call that life. 978 01:43:50,312.0100001 --> 01:44:05,802.0100001 Okay, so, to finish the point, I'm just making the point that the mythic level is important for all the reasons I said, but the actual reality is that the mythic level is on just as good a footing as the scientific level. 979 01:44:05,802.0100001 --> 01:44:13,972.0100001 This is why Einstein said, Religion without science is lost, and science without religion is lame. 980 01:44:14,372.0100001 --> 01:44:17,572.0100001 He's simply saying they both are like two sides of a coin. 981 01:44:17,582.0100001 --> 01:44:21,462.0100001 You cannot scrape one side off a coin and have any currency. 982 01:44:22,152.0100001 --> 01:44:26,822.0110001 You have to have heads and tails and something that's neutral in the middle, or you don't have currency. 983 01:44:27,362.0100001 --> 01:44:36,392.0090001 And so religion and science, religion you can say is like the right brain, and science is like the left brain, but if those two don't communicate, you get what we've got in the world today. 984 01:44:36,792.0090001 --> 01:44:40,532.0090001 Okay, so we've gone from archaic to magic to mythic. 985 01:44:41,52.0090001 --> 01:44:42,522.0090001 Now we go to the mental. 986 01:44:42,682.0090001 --> 01:44:52,242.0090001 The mental realm emerges as the mind begins to conjure up ideas and then create and embody them. 987 01:44:52,582.0090001 --> 01:44:55,232.0090001 So, tools, for example. 988 01:44:55,342.0090001 --> 01:44:58,202.0090001 Tools are, they can help you and they can kill you. 989 01:44:59,92.0090001 --> 01:45:01,642.0090001 Um, beliefs about God. 990 01:45:02,232.0090001 --> 01:45:02,992.0090001 Mental. 991 01:45:02,992.1090001 --> 01:45:03,261.9090001 Tools. 992 01:45:03,661.9090001 --> 01:45:05,161.9090001 Or, or they would all be the same. 993 01:45:05,161.9090001 --> 01:45:08,581.9090001 Right? You know, nobody argues about whether water is wet. 994 01:45:08,791.9090001 --> 01:45:14,131.9090001 That's too linked into our magical level of consciousness and our archaic level. 995 01:45:14,131.9090001 --> 01:45:16,201.9090001 Nothing survives without water here. 996 01:45:16,941.9090001 --> 01:45:29,701.9090001 So now if you say, we all agree, water is wet, but then we ask is the question, is there a spiritual capacity to water? Does water carry consciousness? Then you'll see the mind go crazy and you'll have every. 997 01:45:30,101.9090001 --> 01:45:50,131.9090001 possible combination of opposites that humans can think of, right? But the mental level, and you can actually track this through the brain development, you know, you can see the archaic and the magic is, is, is very much the brain stem and the spinal cord, our reptilian survival reflexes. 998 01:45:50,726.9090001 --> 01:45:57,946.9090001 Then the magic and the mythic are really the limbic outcropping and the mental stage is the cerebral cortex. 999 01:45:58,876.9090001 --> 01:46:03,906.9090001 So, you know, what do we do with our cerebral cortex? We override our instincts. 1000 01:46:04,96.9080001 --> 01:46:06,876.9080001 How's that working for us? Not well. 1001 01:46:07,276.9080001 --> 01:46:12,796.9070001 We create stories that people believe that divide us against each other. 1002 01:46:13,196.9070001 --> 01:46:14,696.9070001 That doesn't work very well. 1003 01:46:15,426.9070001 --> 01:46:23,766.9065001 We create universities that propose to teach the truth, but it turns out that most of the stuff they teach is actually scientifically validated. 1004 01:46:23,766.9065001 --> 01:46:30,146.9070001 All the chemicals and all the weapons and all the food changes that have destroyed life on this planet are on the edge of destroying it. 1005 01:46:30,666.9070001 --> 01:46:43,56.9070001 Okay, there you see the cerebral cortex doing its handiwork, and I'll tie that into why that cerebral cortex has to be integrated in order for it to keep you alive and healthy. 1006 01:46:43,456.9070001 --> 01:46:47,526.9070001 So ultimately the, the mental stage, the mind works with ideas. 1007 01:46:47,556.9070001 --> 01:46:48,746.9070001 That's what the mind is. 1008 01:46:48,746.9070001 --> 01:46:50,226.9070001 It's an idea generator. 1009 01:46:50,266.9070001 --> 01:46:52,336.9060001 And the function of a mind is to think. 1010 01:46:52,356.9070001 --> 01:46:55,146.9060001 That's why I tell people that say they have a hard time meditating. 1011 01:46:55,656.9060001 --> 01:46:57,226.9070001 They always say, I can't stop my mind. 1012 01:46:57,226.9070001 --> 01:46:59,966.9070001 I can't stop my, I look, you don't stop a mind. 1013 01:47:00,366.9070001 --> 01:47:02,696.9080001 That's like trying to stop water from being wet. 1014 01:47:02,756.9080001 --> 01:47:03,526.9080001 Good luck. 1015 01:47:04,496.9080001 --> 01:47:06,496.9080001 You witnessed your mind. 1016 01:47:07,106.9080001 --> 01:47:08,536.9080001 You detach from it. 1017 01:47:09,56.9080001 --> 01:47:10,656.9080001 A mind is like a cell phone. 1018 01:47:10,656.9080001 --> 01:47:12,506.9080001 It makes a better tool than a master. 1019 01:47:13,366.9080001 --> 01:47:19,536.9080001 You detach from your mind because what you really are is what's witnessing your mind. 1020 01:47:20,126.9080001 --> 01:47:21,926.9070001 Every thought comes and goes. 1021 01:47:21,936.9080001 --> 01:47:23,186.9070001 It's very temporal. 1022 01:47:23,846.9080001 --> 01:47:25,756.9080001 But what's witnessing is eternal. 1023 01:47:25,776.9080001 --> 01:47:32,176.9080001 This is why in Vedanta they say Atman is Brahman and Brahman is Atman. 1024 01:47:32,177.0080001 --> 01:47:34,186.9080001 Atman means soul and Brahman means God. 1025 01:47:34,196.9080001 --> 01:47:36,76.9080001 God is soul and soul is God. 1026 01:47:36,416.9080001 --> 01:47:37,626.9080001 That's what's witnessing. 1027 01:47:38,26.9080001 --> 01:47:40,706.9080001 The mind is actually the creative agent. 1028 01:47:41,336.9080001 --> 01:47:47,36.9080001 that is produced, by the way, from Shakti's creation of Shiva. 1029 01:47:47,706.9080001 --> 01:47:58,186.9070001 Because as soon as Shakti dreamed Shiva into existence, she now had a lover and a consort, so now she had somebody to share energy and information with. 1030 01:47:58,246.9070001 --> 01:48:05,846.9080001 So, Dan Siegel's definition of mind, an embodied and relational process that regulates the flow of energy and information. 1031 01:48:06,246.9080001 --> 01:48:15,986.9080001 In order for you to have a mind, you have to have two points of sentience that send information back and forth, or you don't have a mind because mind is a relational and embodied process. 1032 01:48:16,386.9080001 --> 01:48:25,656.9090001 My definition of love, love is the flow of energy and information through empathic and compassionate connection to self or other. 1033 01:48:26,366.9090001 --> 01:48:32,766.9090001 Okay, so why is that important? Because love is the basis of relationship. 1034 01:48:33,766.9090001 --> 01:48:36,336.9090001 Without love, there is no relationship. 1035 01:48:36,796.9090001 --> 01:48:39,986.9090001 And you cannot have a mind without a relationship. 1036 01:48:39,986.9090001 --> 01:48:45,516.9080001 See, me and you right now are sending information back and forth between each other. 1037 01:48:45,996.9090001 --> 01:48:53,126.9080001 And when we're thinking our own thoughts, the eye of us is thinking a thought in what it thinks to be itself. 1038 01:48:53,806.9090001 --> 01:48:55,186.9090001 Which is what God's doing. 1039 01:48:55,186.9090001 --> 01:49:07,526.9090001 God's dreaming itself into existence, imbuing all the characters with subject, and they start talking to each other and coming up with ideas and stories about who they are, and God thinks this is so fucking great. 1040 01:49:08,506.9090001 --> 01:49:20,576.9090001 And so what happens is, is through the act of love and relationship, energy and information flows through empathic and compassionate connection to other, and that's the basis of mind. 1041 01:49:21,126.9090001 --> 01:49:49,606.9090001 So the key thing to remember is that you cannot have mind without love as its prerequisite, and if you forget that love is the prerequisite of mind, you use your mind in ways that do not make love, and the more you do that, the more death you create, and the more segregation you create, and the more illusion you create, and the more trouble you get yourself in, and that's why they call PhD progressive head death, or piled higher and deeper. 1042 01:49:49,936.9090001 --> 01:49:57,166.9090001 What is an expert? someone who knows more and more about less and less until they know absolutely everything about nothing. 1043 01:49:57,946.9090001 --> 01:50:04,826.9100001 So, so the mental level is really the worship of ideas for better or worse. 1044 01:50:05,296.9100001 --> 01:50:15,866.9090001 And the problem is, is if you worship ideas without a concept of reality, reality is what's happening right now. 1045 01:50:16,231.9100001 --> 01:50:19,601.9100001 And reality is what my life depends upon. 1046 01:50:19,921.9100001 --> 01:50:25,921.9100001 So let's take a quick look at what happens when you worship ideas without attachment to reality. 1047 01:50:26,321.9100001 --> 01:50:33,281.9090001 Certainly you've seen the social dilemma documentary that interviewed the very creators of social media. 1048 01:50:34,161.9100001 --> 01:50:41,301.9100001 And what did they say? We created a dragon and we don't know how to put it back in the box. 1049 01:50:41,946.9100001 --> 01:50:54,486.9100001 Every single one of the creators of social media does not allow their children to use it, because they saw how damaging it was to the mind, and to behavior, and to emotions. 1050 01:50:54,986.9100001 --> 01:51:01,116.9100001 They saw what happens when you have ideas that are worshipped without any love between them. 1051 01:51:01,896.9100001 --> 01:51:12,416.9100001 You see, when you take a cell phone out of a kid's hand, or an iPad away from them, what do they engage? They engage What's happening right now and what supports their life. 1052 01:51:12,426.9100001 --> 01:51:13,876.9100001 They engage their dog. 1053 01:51:14,216.9100001 --> 01:51:15,736.9100001 They engage their mom and dad. 1054 01:51:15,746.9100001 --> 01:51:17,166.9100001 They engage their siblings. 1055 01:51:17,166.9100001 --> 01:51:18,446.9100001 They engage each other. 1056 01:51:18,846.9100001 --> 01:51:20,496.9110001 Those are not ideas. 1057 01:51:20,896.9110001 --> 01:51:22,56.9110001 Those are reality. 1058 01:51:22,486.9110001 --> 01:51:24,186.9100001 They're what's happening right now. 1059 01:51:24,696.9110001 --> 01:51:35,776.9110001 Okay, so the mental structure of consciousness opens you up to the vast warehouse of the archetypes and the capacity to create like God. 1060 01:51:36,186.9100001 --> 01:51:43,716.9110001 The difference is God has to experience everything it creates because there's nothing outside of God to experience it. 1061 01:51:44,276.9110001 --> 01:52:33,751.9110001 And because God cannot die, and God's only quest is to know itself, because there's nothing else for God to know or experience, so God is willing to go through anything But unlike most of us, God knows it cannot die, so God's kind of like in this simulation of itself, that's all it's got, and it's diving right in and says, you know, let me be loving, let me be crazy, let me be crooked, let me invent nuclear power, let me invent nuclear bombs, let me invent churches and synagogues, let me invent fake food, let me see what the hell I can create here, because In order for me to know myself, I have to not only know the light of myself, I got to know the dark of myself, because you cannot make meaning without those two. 1062 01:52:34,191.9110001 --> 01:52:37,841.9110001 Light has no meaning without dark, no dark, no meaning without light. 1063 01:52:37,851.9110001 --> 01:52:39,801.9110001 Good without evil doesn't mean anything. 1064 01:52:40,311.9110001 --> 01:52:42,201.9110001 North without south means nothing. 1065 01:52:42,581.9100001 --> 01:52:52,871.9110001 So God's fully invested in both sides, which is why in Spirit Gem I say God is the myth maker who plays both sides, but chooses neither. 1066 01:52:53,211.9110001 --> 01:52:55,221.9100001 Choice is always left to you. 1067 01:52:55,621.9100001 --> 01:52:57,841.9100001 And that's your God agency. 1068 01:52:57,841.9100001 --> 01:52:59,281.9100001 You get to choose. 1069 01:52:59,321.9100001 --> 01:53:04,451.9100001 The power to choose is God in you saying, Here's these two forces. 1070 01:53:05,91.9100001 --> 01:53:07,51.9100001 Make with them whatever you want. 1071 01:53:07,71.9090001 --> 01:53:10,311.9095001 I'm in the game 100 percent with you. 1072 01:53:10,311.9095001 --> 01:53:11,821.9100001 I'm all the way. 1073 01:53:12,131.9090001 --> 01:53:14,931.9100001 You want to blow yourself up? Let's do it. 1074 01:53:15,81.9100001 --> 01:53:17,661.9100001 We're gonna learn something and I'm here to learn. 1075 01:53:18,161.9100001 --> 01:53:22,171.9090001 And the worst thing that'll happen is we'll create something new, right? Okay. 1076 01:53:22,896.9100001 --> 01:53:27,666.9100001 Okay, so the mental stage transitions, and that's where we're at now. 1077 01:53:27,666.9100001 --> 01:53:32,646.9100001 We're at the beginning of the integral stage, but it's not an easy stage to come into. 1078 01:53:33,46.9100001 --> 01:53:38,946.9090001 There's a great book by the world called Seeing Through the World by Jeremy Thomas, if I got the name right. 1079 01:53:39,466.9100001 --> 01:53:47,786.9100001 I've read it like three times, and it's a synthesis of Geb Gebster's teachings and about 200 pages in a small book, like five and a half by eight. 1080 01:53:48,471.911 --> 01:53:49,531.909 Say that one more time. 1081 01:53:49,731.909 --> 01:53:49,761.909 Okay. 1082 01:53:49,946.9100001 --> 01:53:54,86.9100001 Uh, Seeing Through the World by Jeremy Thomas. 1083 01:53:54,486.9100001 --> 01:53:57,336.9100001 If it's not Thomas, it's Thompson, but I think it's Thomas. 1084 01:53:57,836.9100001 --> 01:54:05,666.9100001 But it's a great synthesis of Gebzer's teachings in a shorter book that's very, very well done. 1085 01:54:06,66.9100001 --> 01:54:12,996.9090001 So the integral stage now is the next stage of development here. 1086 01:54:13,386.9090001 --> 01:54:16,936.9090001 And what does it mean? The word integral means to integrate. 1087 01:54:16,966.9090001 --> 01:54:29,971.9100001 So now we've got to take the magic, the mythic Uh, so the magic, the, sorry, the archaic, the magic, the mythic, and the mental, and, and think of them as ingredients in a recipe. 1088 01:54:30,361.9100001 --> 01:54:46,241.9100001 It's like we've, we've been going through this stage just to finally have the ingredients to say, okay, now, how do we put it together to create the wholeness and to see what it is that ultimately for potentially billions of years we've been working up to. 1089 01:54:46,641.9100001 --> 01:54:56,281.9100001 So Gebzer describes that as the integral stage comes on, that you have a lot of very interesting things start to happen. 1090 01:54:57,51.9100001 --> 01:55:02,41.9090001 He says there will be a convergence of multiple timelines at the same time. 1091 01:55:02,441.9090001 --> 01:55:14,891.9090001 Well, Kyle, how many times you've been in a deep shamanic journey and there was multiple timelines converging? One minute you're reliving your childhood, the next minute you're living in the future. 1092 01:55:15,521.9090001 --> 01:55:26,211.9090001 The next minute you're aware of what's happening right beside you, and all these timelines are, and, and sometimes you might be experiencing yourself as living multiple lives at the same time. 1093 01:55:26,611.9090001 --> 01:55:46,131.9100001 Like, I've had some wild fucking experiences and realized, you know what? I've got a wife and a couple of kids in another dimension, and I'm living there right fucking now, and I can go there and sit in my tent and cuddle my children and kiss my wife, And it's as real as anything I'm doing right here. 1094 01:55:46,131.9100001 --> 01:55:50,861.9100001 Now that will spin your fucking mind when you come back to this reality. 1095 01:55:51,261.9100001 --> 01:56:07,641.9100001 Like, for a lot of people, that's how, that's a recipe for schizophrenia, and that's why As you know, I said to do deep medicine work, you've got to have a very strong, intact ego, or the experience will dismantle you and you'll become a crazy person. 1096 01:56:08,41.9100001 --> 01:56:28,61.9100001 But, so one is the converging timelines, which you can be driving down the road in your car and all of a sudden be having a profound dream and forget that you're driving a car, or running a saw and cut your finger off because you're not in the now, you're hitting all these timelines. 1097 01:56:28,821.9100001 --> 01:56:37,681.9100001 So when you start getting multiple converging timelines, you have to say, well, what does it take to navigate that? Well, you have to be centered in yourself. 1098 01:56:38,621.9100001 --> 01:56:44,171.9090001 You have to have a compass in your head and say, this is what I'm doing, this is where I'm going. 1099 01:56:45,141.9090001 --> 01:56:49,31.9100001 You've got to be aware of what it is that divides your consciousness. 1100 01:56:49,591.9100001 --> 01:57:04,251.9100001 And when can you let consciousness divide without increasing the risk of killing yourself? Like you don't want your consciousness divided when you're driving down the road and you got your kids in the back and your wife's sitting next to you and you're on your way to vacation. 1101 01:57:05,51.9100001 --> 01:57:06,621.9100001 Because you might not make it home. 1102 01:57:07,441.9100001 --> 01:57:08,171.9100001 All of you. 1103 01:57:08,451.9100001 --> 01:57:08,941.9100001 Okay. 1104 01:57:09,341.9100001 --> 01:57:10,881.9100001 Now consider what I've just said. 1105 01:57:10,881.9100001 --> 01:57:22,371.9100001 When you think of the fact at how the chemicals in food and the chemicals in the environment and the poor state of people's health breaks their body's ability to create a field of coherence. 1106 01:57:22,741.9100001 --> 01:57:29,771.9100001 And to the degree that your biological field, your heart, your brain and your gut and your cells are out of coherence. 1107 01:57:30,171.9100001 --> 01:57:35,61.9100001 It's as though you're a community of cells that are all confused and systems that are all confused. 1108 01:57:35,71.9100001 --> 01:57:38,111.9100001 So each of them develops its own voice and says, help me. 1109 01:57:38,111.9100001 --> 01:57:38,781.9100001 I'm starving. 1110 01:57:38,791.9100001 --> 01:57:39,201.9100001 Help me. 1111 01:57:39,201.9100001 --> 01:57:39,781.9100001 I'm hurting. 1112 01:57:39,781.9100001 --> 01:57:40,181.9095001 Help me. 1113 01:57:40,181.9095001 --> 01:57:41,21.9100001 I'm poisoned. 1114 01:57:41,551.9090001 --> 01:57:58,631.9100001 And so you've got all these voices inside of you and you cannot come into a coherent state of consciousness because there's too much fear inside of you and that makes you highly susceptible to anybody that hands you a magic pill that'll make your dick hard and make your life better and make your brain work. 1115 01:57:58,632.0100001 --> 01:58:18,546.9110001 You and get you money, and so when these multiple timelines converge, if you're not a healthy person, it actually magnifies your dysfunction, okay? Also, he says that reality will become diaphanous, which means partly see through. 1116 01:58:18,546.9110001 --> 01:58:27,906.9110001 Like, if you go to a hockey game or a figure skating competition, and you're sitting in the bleachers, you're looking through plexiglass. 1117 01:58:28,306.9110001 --> 01:58:48,896.9110001 It's not nearly as easy to see through as glass, and after sitting at a hockey game for about an hour, it's not unusual for people to get a headache because their eyes can't really focus very well, especially if the arena is old and it's had a bunch of cross checking and the glass is faded, but you still can see the game. 1118 01:58:48,986.9110001 --> 01:59:06,286.9110001 So what happens as we go into the integral stage? the capacity for the human mind to escape just the physical dimension of 3D, length, width, depth, and time starts to now merge into what we might call dream world. 1119 01:59:06,986.9110001 --> 01:59:18,296.9110001 And so now you start peering into the fourth dimension, which is time and seeing yourself living at multiple different perspectives of your life. 1120 01:59:18,851.9110001 --> 01:59:27,261.9110001 or seeing other storylines coming through from other dimensions of time, or you start seeing into the astral dimension. 1121 01:59:28,181.9110001 --> 01:59:43,1.9110001 Well, as a guy who's done a lot of plant medicine ceremonies, you know that going into the astral dimension is very vast, and you have to be very careful how you manage your mind there, because in the astral dimension, whatever you think, for better or worse, manifests as fast as you think it. 1122 01:59:43,41.9110001 --> 02:00:01,426.9110001 This is why Yogananda and many great masters say, You need to be very careful about going into the astral dimension, because there's as much dark forces as there is light forces, and if you aren't conscious of how you manage yourself, you will attract serious challenges to yourself. 1123 02:00:01,466.9110001 --> 02:00:09,216.9110001 And that's why most spiritual masters were against the use of psychedelics, because people have a hard enough time managing the power of their mind without them. 1124 02:00:09,766.9100001 --> 02:00:17,416.9110001 So they're like, you know, look, you, you can have people go into complete psychopathy just doing yoga. 1125 02:00:17,516.9110001 --> 02:00:40,576.9110001 In fact, Carl Jung warned, Westerners should be very careful about doing yoga because they do not have the cultural underpinnings to support the process that yoga will take you through when kundalini starts to rise because the christian concept is not built for those kinds of experiences. 1126 02:00:41,326.9110001 --> 02:00:49,536.9110001 We are in a christian culture and yoga takes you into dimensions which each of your chakras is, it's the gateway to another dimension. 1127 02:00:49,976.9110001 --> 02:00:54,226.9110001 You can be a christian for a long time but unless you really become a monk. 1128 02:00:54,771.9110001 --> 02:00:58,801.9110001 And you get out of the, you know, dogma of the Bible. 1129 02:00:59,761.9110001 --> 02:01:02,901.9105001 This is why Rumi said, to get to God, you gotta become a heretic. 1130 02:01:02,901.9105001 --> 02:01:06,461.9110001 You gotta stop believing shit written on paper, and you gotta have your own experiences. 1131 02:01:06,971.9110001 --> 02:01:21,91.9110001 And so what do you get when you become a monk? You get a Thomas Merton, who starts penetrating all these other dimensions, and then starts saying things that gets him extracised from the church, because he's telling the truth they don't want you to tell you, because they want to keep you down here, where they can control you. 1132 02:01:22,51.9110001 --> 02:01:54,531.9110001 Okay, so, but when you start going into these other dimensions that are diaphanous, you start actually coming into awareness that there are, A, realities much, much more vast than you could even conceive, that there are many more dimensions that you can conceive, and that the higher dimensions are actually pouring themselves down into and creating the lower dimensions, and that there are beings of higher vibration that are vastly more powerful than anything you've ever been able to imagine on this planet. 1133 02:01:54,561.9110001 --> 02:02:01,691.9110001 And Steiner talks about, for example, the hierarchy of angels and many mythological stories about creation do. 1134 02:02:01,691.9110001 --> 02:02:16,701.9110001 And, you know, there's lots of this stuff out there, the Egyptian, uh, you know, look into the Egyptian writings, you look into the, the sacred tablets, and what do you find? And almost all of them, the gods are at war, whether it's the Sumerian tablets or the Egyptian. 1135 02:02:17,186.9110001 --> 02:02:29,746.9110001 religion, or even the Christian Bible, or there's always gods at war up there, and what did Hermes say with alchemy, as above so below, there's pictures of Buddha pointing up and pointing down. 1136 02:02:30,706.9110001 --> 02:03:22,666.9110001 Be careful what you think, because it manifests in reality, so when you start going into these higher dimensions, the first thing you learn is if you can't manage your mind then you have to come face to face with the reality that you are creating shit that you don't want to have to encounter and you're going to blame it like so many have on the drug or you're gonna oh I'm not ever doing yoga again it brings demons into my life but you don't realize that you're just actually looking into another dimension of yourself And having worked with lots of entities and all this stuff you know that I do, the most common thing I do is say, don't be afraid of the entity, confront it, and ask it, why is it here? Why are you in my life? And almost every time, the entity turns out to be a spirit, which is an aspect of themselves coming to teach them something that they need to know. 1137 02:03:23,486.9110001 --> 02:03:37,526.9110001 But meanwhile, they're spending sleepless nights and scared to death and going from psychiatrist to psychiatrist, all, you know, potentially getting drugged or locked up, but reality, that's what happens when you start going through these other dimensions. 1138 02:03:38,86.9110001 --> 02:03:39,746.9110001 If you start actually, if you. 1139 02:03:40,261.9110001 --> 02:03:43,391.9110001 And this is why we had to have elders in tribes. 1140 02:03:43,501.9110001 --> 02:03:55,801.9110001 This is why a shaman, to become a shaman, you had to do years of training and progressively get higher doses and be introduced into these dimensions and learn what spirits are and what supernatural forces are. 1141 02:03:56,266.9110001 --> 02:03:58,626.9110001 And so we've lost all that structure. 1142 02:03:58,636.9110001 --> 02:04:07,476.9105001 We, you know, we're, you know, now you, you know, who fuck just people passing psychedelics out and psilocybin and every other thing. 1143 02:04:07,476.9105001 --> 02:04:12,366.9110001 And so you get people that are completely and utterly can't even manage their checkbook or their diet. 1144 02:04:12,366.9110001 --> 02:04:22,326.9110001 And they're off on, you know, eight grams of mushrooms with a bunch of friends at a rock concert, you know, and so welcome to hell. 1145 02:04:23,96.9100001 --> 02:04:25,566.911 And so you'll learn about those dimensions too. 1146 02:04:25,966.911 --> 02:04:36,486.91 So in a nutshell, he says timelines converge, dimensions become see through, there's a massive inflow, and you realize that there are so many possibilities at once. 1147 02:04:36,486.911 --> 02:04:44,886.911 Well, what does quantum physics say? All possibilities simultaneously exist as potential, and the act of looking makes them real. 1148 02:04:45,676.911 --> 02:05:03,941.9110001 Well, as you go up into higher dimensions, whatever you look at If you don't have the ability to stay empty inside and observe as a witness, then you don't realize you're projecting your own unconscious into that dimension, and the higher the dimension, the more powerful the effect of it is. 1149 02:05:04,681.9110001 --> 02:05:06,816.911 You get me, right? Mm hmm. 1150 02:05:07,101.9100001 --> 02:05:17,556.911 Right? Like, if you can't manage yourself on strong pot, God forbid you take a hit of DMT, right? hundred percent. 1151 02:05:17,697.011 --> 02:05:34,816.81 Ha You know, even six, eight grams of mushrooms will take you to a lot more dimensions, but a full head of high quality DMT can take you beyond dimensions into a complete and utter annihilation of the self. 1152 02:05:35,206.81 --> 02:05:41,686.811 And if you're not ready for it, you could spend the rest of your life trying to find the pieces and glue them together again. 1153 02:05:42,356.811 --> 02:05:47,596.811 And so what happens is that becomes kind of a, it becomes amongst the. 1154 02:05:48,341.811 --> 02:06:18,31.81 unintelligent a sport, like how far can you hit the ball? How heavy can you lift? How big is your dick? How many girls have you had sex with? And that's really not a very intelligent thing to do because you're ultimately playing with your own You're playing with your own capacity to comprehend the nature of reality, and to the degree you damage it, then you've put a distortion in the mirror of self that you may never be able to polish out in this lifetime. 1155 02:06:18,711.811 --> 02:06:24,936.811 And it can leave you at, well, I don't need to tell you how bad you can get, because ha ha. 1156 02:06:25,201.811 --> 02:06:29,581.811 you know, you and I have both found the very edges of ourselves. 1157 02:06:29,651.811 --> 02:06:44,191.811 And both of us, I think, worship the fact that we're here sane and alive each day because Me and you are the pioneering types that like to find the edges of everything, because that's what a hunter does, right? That's what a pioneer does. 1158 02:06:44,511.811 --> 02:06:47,771.811 We're pathfinders, but you have to be built for that. 1159 02:06:47,781.811 --> 02:06:51,791.81 Not everybody's built for that, and it comes with a lot of responsibility. 1160 02:06:51,791.81 --> 02:06:58,111.711 I mean, there's been many times I've been in journeys, And I thought I've done fucked it. 1161 02:06:58,531.711 --> 02:06:59,371.711 I've lost it. 1162 02:06:59,411.711 --> 02:07:00,911.711 I am not going to get home. 1163 02:07:01,121.711 --> 02:07:03,951.711 And man, Penny is going to be pissed at me. 1164 02:07:03,951.711 --> 02:07:05,381.711 Angie's going to be pissed at me. 1165 02:07:05,641.711 --> 02:07:07,511.71 My kids are going to be pissed at me. 1166 02:07:07,911.71 --> 02:07:10,271.711 Gav, everyone's going to be pissed off at me. 1167 02:07:10,531.71 --> 02:07:21,796.71 Like, because I've, I lost control trying to be a pioneer and now I've foregone my responsibilities, right? And that's love is what pulls us back. 1168 02:07:22,756.711 --> 02:07:43,586.71 Okay, so the integral stage is really the stage where it all comes together, but the question is, can you make the pie, the metaphorical pie, out of the ingredients of the archaic, the magic, the mythic, and the mental, if you're not aware that the ingredients have to go together. 1169 02:07:43,986.71 --> 02:07:52,986.71 Let's just say it takes water, flour, egg, and sugar, and a pinch of salt to make a cake. 1170 02:07:52,996.71 --> 02:08:05,761.61 Would you agree with those basic ingredients? If you get rid of any of them, something happens to the cake that makes it not taste very well, not digest very well, probably constipate you. 1171 02:08:06,161.61 --> 02:08:08,541.611 You take the salt out, tastes nasty. 1172 02:08:08,591.611 --> 02:08:10,481.61 You take the sugar out, tastes nasty. 1173 02:08:10,491.61 --> 02:08:14,331.611 You take the flour out, you got nothing but water and a few chemicals. 1174 02:08:14,811.611 --> 02:08:19,231.611 Take the water out, you're just farting dust for a week. 1175 02:08:19,841.611 --> 02:08:36,681.611 There's no way to, you know, like you see what I'm saying? There, there's sort of like the base essentials to make a cake, and if you don't have the ingredients right and the balance of them right, then you don't have the basis to even worry about the frosting or the design on the top, because anybody that eats it's going to spit out. 1176 02:08:36,681.711 --> 02:08:54,431.611 So now we get to the fundamental reality is Gebser, Jung, Wilbur, and many have all said, if you're going to transcend, you must include. 1177 02:08:54,831.611 --> 02:09:33,411.511 So now that we're in the integral stage, if we don't have an understanding and appreciation for the foundation of life, that the material existence that we live on, be it the planet, that the biological existence, the microorganisms, the sea creatures, the fungi, the bacteria, the viruses or the genetics, the earth, the water, the fire, the air, those have to be held in a balance, right? If you, if you, uh, If you have too much sunlight, you have an endless summer. 1178 02:09:33,411.511 --> 02:09:36,371.511 You, everything catches on, dries out and catches on fire. 1179 02:09:36,691.511 --> 02:09:39,1.511 Too much water, life can't exist. 1180 02:09:39,391.511 --> 02:09:41,891.511 Too much air, life can't exist. 1181 02:09:42,531.511 --> 02:09:48,921.511 Too much earth, and there's not, there's not enough of the other ingredients, right? So here's our fundamental cake of life. 1182 02:09:49,321.511 --> 02:09:59,886.511 So at the archaic level, you have to have a basic comprehensive understanding of the foundations of what makes the other stages possible. 1183 02:09:59,886.511 --> 02:10:05,746.511 You can't have the biological stage if you don't have the right balance of earth, water, fire, and air. 1184 02:10:06,236.511 --> 02:10:10,286.51 And, and here's an interesting little factoid for you and your listeners. 1185 02:10:10,756.51 --> 02:10:19,716.511 If you look up the word chi in a Chinese dictionary, do you know what it says? The English, because you've told me before. 1186 02:10:19,816.511 --> 02:10:20,766.511 But I have, I know. 1187 02:10:21,686.511 --> 02:10:23,46.511 it, it's Steam. 1188 02:10:23,516.511 --> 02:10:25,376.511 Right! Steam. 1189 02:10:25,676.511 --> 02:10:43,136.511 So, the, when I first found that in a Chinese dictionary, because I've got like 30 different dictionaries, and I'm always trying to make sure I understand what the hell I'm talking about, I thought, well, that's just fucking unbelievably cool, because what does it take to make steam? You gotta have a pot to hold the water in. 1190 02:10:43,606.511 --> 02:10:44,56.511 Earth. 1191 02:10:44,416.511 --> 02:10:45,326.511 It's made of the earth. 1192 02:10:45,706.511 --> 02:10:50,726.51 You gotta have water, you gotta have fire, and you gotta have air, or there's no steam. 1193 02:10:51,436.511 --> 02:10:54,466.511 So what is life force? Chi is life force energy. 1194 02:10:54,776.511 --> 02:11:01,696.51 If you don't have the right balance of earth, water, fire, and air, you're not here to even get into the integral stage. 1195 02:11:01,696.51 --> 02:11:17,426.511 You're, you're barely alive and your consciousness is reverting backwards to the point that you become a codependent on somebody else to feed you and nurse you until you can meet the requisites for life and actually start contributing. 1196 02:11:17,886.511 --> 02:11:23,476.511 To your family and to uphold the fact that all love comes with responsibility. 1197 02:11:24,6.511 --> 02:11:25,656.511 That's the other thing we keep forgetting. 1198 02:11:25,736.511 --> 02:11:28,266.511 All love comes with responsibility. 1199 02:11:28,846.51 --> 02:11:35,731.511 And if you want to have kids and you want to have a girlfriend or a husband, Or love your garden. 1200 02:11:35,731.511 --> 02:11:38,751.511 You have to accept that love comes with responsibility. 1201 02:11:38,751.511 --> 02:11:42,11.511 And we're at a point now where people want love without responsibility. 1202 02:11:42,311.511 --> 02:11:43,171.511 That's never worked. 1203 02:11:43,171.511 --> 02:11:49,121.51 And it never will work because one of the responsibilities of love is to take care of what it is that supports you. 1204 02:11:49,801.511 --> 02:11:52,671.511 Jung calls that the Self, with a capital S E L F. 1205 02:11:52,731.511 --> 02:11:57,821.511 In Jungian psychology, the Self is everything that supports you and sustains you. 1206 02:11:58,181.51 --> 02:12:01,671.511 Reality is everything that supports you and sustains you. 1207 02:12:01,861.511 --> 02:12:19,346.511 Okay? So if we lose the archaic level, how in the world can we handle the integral level, where you're dealing with multiple dimensions and multiple timelines and multiple possibilities, But what's holding you together so you can even engage that reality is being negated. 1208 02:12:19,746.511 --> 02:12:23,846.511 You will be a sick person and you will not be able to contribute. 1209 02:12:24,566.511 --> 02:12:40,66.51 And we have to go through a pretty radical change to upskill because what's going to happen, for example, when we finally have free access to free energy, quantum energy, we're going to have the power to create the most destructive weapons the planet's ever known. 1210 02:12:40,456.51 --> 02:12:50,126.51 We're gonna have the power to use light and to create levels of heat and technology that will destroy this entire planet. 1211 02:12:50,396.509 --> 02:13:26,626.41 And right now, we're already destructive as hell with nuclear power, right? So if you don't have an honest, conscious connection to the fact that if you use power in ways that are destructive to the archaic level of people, Of development and that's the fabric of life as we know it You will destroy yourself when you get to the integral level Because now you're getting information from higher dimensions That works at that level for the beings that are at that level, but is radically destructive Well, Alright, back from another potty break. 1212 02:13:26,786.41 --> 02:13:33,416.409 Uh, Great Spirit wanted us to take the break before he could finish on, on the, on the Archaic and into the Integral. 1213 02:13:33,416.409 --> 02:13:55,601.409 So, um, bring us home here, because I think this is such a, an amazing, uh, An amazing part of your work is being able to take great ideas and systems and and crunch them down into very usable Comprehendible things that I think if we start to relate in these ways, it actually makes sense of what does you know What is the transcendence looking like and how do how do we operate within that? I think this is a very important piece. 1214 02:13:56,66.41 --> 02:14:13,576.41 yes just to highlight as I conclude the archaic this is why I said When I was on brian rose's london real podcast right at the beginning of the lockdowns And I said, he asked me, what do you think's really going on? And I said, are you brave enough to hear me tell you the truth? Cause it could get your show canceled. 1215 02:14:13,576.41 --> 02:14:14,786.41 He said, yes, I want to hear it. 1216 02:14:15,186.41 --> 02:14:16,636.409 And so I threw him a curve ball. 1217 02:14:16,636.409 --> 02:14:23,376.409 I said, anything to do with COVID is a pimple on an elephant's ass compared to what's going on with this planet. 1218 02:14:23,856.409 --> 02:14:30,396.409 If you realize what the archaic level of reality is, It's the health of our soils. 1219 02:14:31,36.409 --> 02:14:32,436.409 Our soils are dying. 1220 02:14:32,516.409 --> 02:14:41,606.409 All the way back in 1963, I've got books in my library saying 60 percent of our topsoil was dead, and that we were facing serious problems. 1221 02:14:41,606.409 --> 02:14:42,976.409 This is in the early 60s. 1222 02:14:42,986.408 --> 02:14:53,156.409 I'm About to be 63 years old and I was born in 61 and we've been destroying we're putting on the ground in the temp. 1223 02:14:53,346.409 --> 02:14:54,586.4085 You've seen the diagram. 1224 02:14:54,586.4085 --> 02:14:56,46.409 I think I might have shared it with you. 1225 02:14:56,296.408 --> 02:15:05,316.408 I have it in my chapters on nutrition and spirit gym in the top 10 countries ever as of 2017 because that's just the earliest records we can get to conclude this. 1226 02:15:06,16.408 --> 02:15:36,506.407 In the top 10 countries, the total amount of herbicides, actually this is only pesticides, not herbicides, fungicides, and rodenticides, the amount of chemicals sprayed on our soil each year is a number so big, I had my wife, who is very mathematically inclined, convert it into, it's in pounds, it's actually in kilograms, I had her convert it to pounds, and then because a gallon of water weighs eight pounds, I had her divide it by eight. 1227 02:15:37,66.407 --> 02:15:56,26.407 So I could give approximately the number of gallons it was and then I divided that by 50 and what it turns out to be is we are spraying in the top 10 of 195 countries, all of which use pesticides worldwide, the equivalent of 50, 000, 050 gallon bathtubs. 1228 02:15:56,426.407 --> 02:16:08,326.407 Of dangerous pesticides on our soil every year and the top 10 pesticide using countries of which United States is one of the leading countries in this death march. 1229 02:16:08,726.407 --> 02:16:10,86.407 Our oceans are dying. 1230 02:16:10,96.407 --> 02:16:11,76.407 The reefs are dying. 1231 02:16:11,76.407 --> 02:16:14,46.407 There's complete dead zones and oceans all over the world. 1232 02:16:14,46.407 --> 02:16:16,166.407 Their oceans are being fished out. 1233 02:16:16,506.407 --> 02:16:19,966.407 Our atmosphere is being poisoned by everything under the sun. 1234 02:16:19,966.407 --> 02:16:22,986.407 We've got electromagnetic pollution through the roof. 1235 02:16:23,16.407 --> 02:16:28,46.407 That's destroying the fabric of life as we know it and people's minds. 1236 02:16:28,46.507 --> 02:16:30,476.407 So our air is toxic. 1237 02:16:30,486.407 --> 02:16:31,916.407 Our water is toxic. 1238 02:16:32,531.407 --> 02:16:36,821.407 There's hardly any place on the world where you can't find massive amounts of chemicals. 1239 02:16:36,821.407 --> 02:16:46,391.407 Children's health defense published a paper showing that a newborn child has 126 chemicals that are dangerous at toxic levels when it's born. 1240 02:16:47,176.407 --> 02:16:49,561.407 Wow All the archaic level. 1241 02:16:49,791.406 --> 02:16:54,41.406 So here we are worried about if Donald Trump is going to be our savior. 1242 02:16:54,41.406 --> 02:16:55,231.406 And if we're going to get a. 1243 02:16:56,1.407 --> 02:16:59,431.407 Uh, whatever you believe COVID to be and all this stuff. 1244 02:16:59,431.407 --> 02:17:07,481.406 But meanwhile, people are not paying attention to reality, what supports your life and what's happening right now. 1245 02:17:07,751.407 --> 02:17:08,281.407 Okay. 1246 02:17:08,681.407 --> 02:17:16,771.407 So if you overlook the archaic level, it is the equivalent of the ground floor from which life emerges. 1247 02:17:17,541.407 --> 02:17:19,861.407 It's the foundation of the house of life. 1248 02:17:19,871.407 --> 02:17:25,331.407 And if the foundation falls, it does not matter how pretty your chandeliers are, they're going down. 1249 02:17:25,531.407 --> 02:17:26,51.407 Okay. 1250 02:17:26,691.407 --> 02:17:28,881.407 So we need all hands on deck. 1251 02:17:28,891.407 --> 02:17:35,931.406 That's why I say farmers that are farming organically and biodynamically, like you are need to become the heroes of our culture. 1252 02:17:36,321.407 --> 02:17:37,671.407 They need to be supported. 1253 02:17:37,971.407 --> 02:17:42,741.407 They need to be worshiped and they need to be surrounded and protected. 1254 02:17:43,261.407 --> 02:17:43,741.407 Okay. 1255 02:17:44,141.407 --> 02:17:47,21.408 So that's the reality that we're facing. 1256 02:17:47,501.408 --> 02:18:08,371.408 The, the magic level of consciousness is where we have our inborn awareness of the fact that we are not separate from nature, that we are kin to the plants, the trees, the animals, the insects, microorganisms, and that they all are inherent to the fabric of life. 1257 02:18:08,401.408 --> 02:18:10,901.408 They are all playing a special part. 1258 02:18:10,941.408 --> 02:18:14,951.408 There's nothing in nature that is not doing something. 1259 02:18:15,336.408 --> 02:18:39,956.408 That's important to keep the complex diversity alive because the less diversity you have the more Instability you create you see when they train special forces soldiers There's typically 12 on a team and each of them is cross trained So if one of them dies someone knows how to operate the radio someone knows how to manage explosives more than one sniper. 1260 02:18:40,236.408 --> 02:18:44,246.408 They know that death is real, so you have to cross train. 1261 02:18:44,506.408 --> 02:18:46,996.408 So they create diversity to create stability. 1262 02:18:47,266.408 --> 02:18:49,316.408 But what we're doing is monocropping. 1263 02:18:49,866.408 --> 02:18:53,826.408 You know, England used to produce something like 170 different types of apples. 1264 02:18:53,846.407 --> 02:18:55,286.407 Now they're down to four. 1265 02:18:55,946.407 --> 02:18:58,836.408 We used to have this wild diversity of foods in the world. 1266 02:18:58,846.408 --> 02:19:01,726.408 Now we're monocropping and so we're killing nature. 1267 02:19:02,21.408 --> 02:19:02,951.408 We're poisoning it. 1268 02:19:02,961.408 --> 02:19:03,771.408 We're killing it. 1269 02:19:03,971.408 --> 02:19:09,261.408 The average person in the world today only eats 10 to 12 foods their entire lifetime. 1270 02:19:09,761.408 --> 02:19:15,901.407 When there's about 350 edible animal species and a million edible plant species. 1271 02:19:16,321.408 --> 02:19:16,451.408 Okay. 1272 02:19:16,451.408 --> 02:19:26,861.408 When you have a person come to me for help and I look at their diet log and all I see is Kellogg's cornflakes, TV dinners, and pack and shit all day long. 1273 02:19:26,861.408 --> 02:19:29,321.408 And they wonder why they're in so much trouble. 1274 02:19:29,871.408 --> 02:19:45,141.408 Well, no wonder, because the point I'm making, if it's not crystal clear, is if we lose the magic level of consciousness, we lose the awareness that everything in nature is sacred, and each of them is doing their job. 1275 02:19:45,151.408 --> 02:19:46,731.408 I'll give you a simple example. 1276 02:19:47,86.408 --> 02:19:54,726.408 To make it crystal clear, we spend billions of dollars a year trying to kill mosquitoes with chemicals. 1277 02:19:55,526.408 --> 02:20:03,796.408 But if you look to what a mosquito does when it's in its larva state, it eats the impurities out of all the bodies of water that it is in. 1278 02:20:04,781.408 --> 02:20:11,871.408 So when you have a stream with a bunch of mosquito larva, it's actually the larva are living off the impurities in the water. 1279 02:20:12,711.408 --> 02:20:24,701.408 So when you start looking into what every insect does, like entomologists do, they're very aware of the function of these insects and that you don't just want to go wiping them out. 1280 02:20:25,71.408 --> 02:20:33,641.408 And I could go on a long story about where we're at with that problem, but it's critical, right? Remember insects are the sex organs of this planet. 1281 02:20:33,681.408 --> 02:20:35,41.408 When you have no insects. 1282 02:20:35,556.408 --> 02:20:36,256.408 You're done. 1283 02:20:36,576.408 --> 02:20:45,786.408 Steiner said there's two things human life depends on, and if either of them reaches a critically low level, life will cease to exist as you know it. 1284 02:20:46,196.408 --> 02:21:00,36.408 Those two things are bees and trees, and we're right now in an all worldwide emergency, because so many species of bees are being exterminated, and it's been tracked right back to pesticides and electromagnetic pollution. 1285 02:21:00,436.408 --> 02:21:00,816.408 Okay. 1286 02:21:00,816.408 --> 02:21:02,526.408 I could go on and on and on about that. 1287 02:21:02,596.408 --> 02:21:02,916.408 Okay. 1288 02:21:02,916.408 --> 02:21:15,896.407 So the first thing is we must respect that everything in nature is sacred and we must protect the diversity of nature or we set ourselves up for death on a grand scale. 1289 02:21:16,296.407 --> 02:21:24,306.307 We must realize that inherent within us is the ability to connect to and communicate with nature. 1290 02:21:24,706.307 --> 02:21:32,496.307 not only at an unconscious level, but at a conscious level, which is exactly what the shaman told us when they tell us how they make their formulas. 1291 02:21:33,116.307 --> 02:21:35,706.307 They're saying the plants are guiding them. 1292 02:21:35,926.307 --> 02:21:39,386.307 That means plants are conscious enough to teach human beings. 1293 02:21:40,156.307 --> 02:21:43,496.307 They're not just shit you cut down and spray with chemicals and ignore. 1294 02:21:43,916.307 --> 02:21:51,726.307 It means trees are living beings that are conscious, and they're not just a stack of wood that you can just do whatever the hell you want to with. 1295 02:21:52,276.307 --> 02:21:56,316.306 Native cultures thought seven generations ahead as a habit. 1296 02:21:56,716.306 --> 02:22:15,326.306 And this is where the four R's of the interdependency of all life are so critical, because Native cultures came to the realization, there's four R's, and this relates to this understanding of the archaic and the magic, that you have to respect or you cannot survive. 1297 02:22:15,366.306 --> 02:22:22,136.306 And they are relationship, responsibility, reciprocity, and redistribution. 1298 02:22:22,536.306 --> 02:22:44,686.306 So if we lose the archaic and magic level of consciousness, we forget about the importance of relationship The responsibility of love, the importance of reciprocity, giving, a balance of giving and taking, and the importance of redistribution, which means take abundances and give them to the parts of the world that have less. 1299 02:22:45,586.305 --> 02:22:57,826.306 If there's a lack of selenium in the soils in New Zealand, then we ship New Zealand selenium to balance the soils so they don't get a bunch of sheep with holes in their heart, which is exactly what happens when you have a lack of selenium. 1300 02:22:57,826.306 --> 02:22:58,896.306 You get holes in the heart. 1301 02:22:59,296.306 --> 02:23:04,526.306 If there's a lack of money, you don't put it in the hands of Bill Gates and make more weapons. 1302 02:23:04,556.306 --> 02:23:11,56.306 You go to Africa and you start schools and teach them how to create stability for themselves. 1303 02:23:11,66.306 --> 02:23:14,346.305 You don't give kids cell phones to distract them when they can't even eat. 1304 02:23:15,16.305 --> 02:23:27,236.306 You go back to the archaic level, re establish that, which requires a re establishment of the magic level, and then you tell them stories that are life affirmative, not a bunch of bullshit to hijack their minds. 1305 02:23:27,236.306 --> 02:23:43,41.306 You So at the magic level, we have to remember that we're part of nature and nature's sacred and everything in it is sacred, and that we have the innate ability in what's called our junk DNA, which is the evolutionary history of everything we've been to become human. 1306 02:23:43,41.306 --> 02:23:46,181.306 It's all inside of us, every bit of it. 1307 02:23:46,711.306 --> 02:23:53,931.306 What is your microbiome? It's, it's the little creatures that make the soil alive and feed the plants. 1308 02:23:54,406.306 --> 02:23:58,86.306 People don't realize plants don't eat rocks. 1309 02:23:58,456.306 --> 02:24:01,416.306 Rocks are, are innate matter. 1310 02:24:01,436.306 --> 02:24:04,986.306 They're not, they're, they're not biologically digestible. 1311 02:24:04,986.306 --> 02:24:14,116.306 It takes a fungus to excrete its powerful acids to dissolve rocks and turn it into liquid minerals that are biologically available. 1312 02:24:14,116.406 --> 02:24:31,791.306 And 85 percent of the plants on the planet are mycorrhiziformers, which means the fungi send filaments up the tips of the roots of the plants And they feed the liquefied minerals to the plants to help it live, and the plant feeds it the sugars that it lives on, and you have a symbiotic relationship. 1313 02:24:31,791.306 --> 02:24:41,651.305 So we start spraying fungicides all over the world and killing the fungal network, which is the nervous system of the planet, and it is the chief chef of the plant kingdom. 1314 02:24:41,981.306 --> 02:24:45,121.306 And the plants feed the animals that we eat, and they feed us. 1315 02:24:45,451.306 --> 02:24:53,446.306 And here's one for you, as Ibrahim Karim beautifully states, Our third chakra is external. 1316 02:24:53,506.306 --> 02:24:57,826.306 It's the solar plexus, but we don't have the ability to photosynthesize. 1317 02:24:57,896.306 --> 02:24:59,686.305 The plants do it for us. 1318 02:25:00,236.306 --> 02:25:10,186.306 So the plants are actually our third chakra, and we eat the plants, and they have captured the light and turned it into nutrition and calories that we can break down and absorb. 1319 02:25:10,636.306 --> 02:25:16,186.306 So the plant kingdom is really our third chakra outside, and we're destroying it and poisoning it. 1320 02:25:16,936.306 --> 02:25:21,271.306 So if we lose The magic level of consciousness. 1321 02:25:21,271.306 --> 02:25:29,621.306 We lose touch with the fact that we are in and always have been in a relationship with everything around us because it's inside of us. 1322 02:25:29,641.306 --> 02:25:30,261.306 We're eating it. 1323 02:25:30,271.306 --> 02:25:31,71.305 We're breeding it. 1324 02:25:31,101.306 --> 02:25:32,81.306 We're drinking it. 1325 02:25:33,11.306 --> 02:25:33,651.306 We're being. 1326 02:25:34,371.306 --> 02:25:43,591.306 infused by it, by the electromagnetic waves of sunlight and moonlight, it's penetrating us, it's regulating our hormonal system, it's everything that we are. 1327 02:25:44,211.306 --> 02:25:56,711.306 So if you lose that, you lose the connection to the fact that everything is spirit manifesting in form, and instead the mind turns it into objects. 1328 02:25:57,471.306 --> 02:26:01,331.306 So now it's all just stuff to be bought and sold. 1329 02:26:01,671.306 --> 02:26:06,941.306 And what is the global elites doing? They're cataloging everything in nature. 1330 02:26:07,231.305 --> 02:26:07,991.306 They're using. 1331 02:26:08,391.306 --> 02:26:15,191.306 satellites to carefully record everything and they're selling off the commons. 1332 02:26:15,191.306 --> 02:26:17,341.306 They're creating companies to sell stocks. 1333 02:26:17,671.306 --> 02:26:21,411.306 They're giving loans to third world countries to own their oceans and their land. 1334 02:26:21,421.306 --> 02:26:38,231.306 And they're actually trying to commoditize every single thing from the stones all the way to the ideas on this planet to control them and sell them to you, which is the mental level of consciousness without archaic or magic consciousness. 1335 02:26:38,991.306 --> 02:26:40,461.306 Then you go to the mythic level. 1336 02:26:40,471.306 --> 02:26:53,581.305 What is a myth? It's a story designed to help you understand the truth about life, the stages of life, the propriet, proprietaries and improprietaries of human relationships and co relationships with life itself. 1337 02:26:54,141.306 --> 02:26:58,291.305 They're stories that ultimately have meaning that are not meant to be written down. 1338 02:26:58,291.306 --> 02:27:41,556.306 They're meant to be sung, danced, acted out, and ingested, and imbibed so that the story becomes congruent with How you live because the stories are all about the worship of the magic and the mystery and the awe of human existence and of existence itself So if you get to the mental level and your stories are not congruent with reality What's happening right now and what supports you, then you actually create virtual realities in which you go live and you spend your time buying digital real estate and having your head full of ideas that do not support your ability to care for nature, understand relationships, understand love and understand responsibility. 1339 02:27:42,51.306 --> 02:27:45,841.306 And then the next thing you know, you can't figure out why your body's falling apart. 1340 02:27:45,861.306 --> 02:27:49,451.306 You don't know why you're eating poison and calling it food. 1341 02:27:49,451.306 --> 02:27:54,1.305 You don't know why you're having to use drugs all the time just to get out of bed to think straight. 1342 02:27:54,641.306 --> 02:27:57,281.305 You don't know why you got cancer when you're a kid. 1343 02:27:57,291.306 --> 02:28:03,256.206 You don't know why you're Why diabetes is costing us more than the national military budget. 1344 02:28:03,266.206 --> 02:28:07,626.206 You don't know why you've got all this autism and the list just goes on and on and on. 1345 02:28:08,296.205 --> 02:28:15,76.204 Okay, so if our stories are not telling us the truth about life and about each other. 1346 02:28:15,76.204 --> 02:28:20,246.205 Remember Marseille Eliade said myths are all true. 1347 02:28:20,646.205 --> 02:28:24,676.205 A myth is something that never happened, but is happening all the time. 1348 02:28:25,76.205 --> 02:28:28,816.205 A myth is something that is never true, but always will be. 1349 02:28:29,96.205 --> 02:28:31,946.205 Okay, now these are very deep statements. 1350 02:28:32,536.205 --> 02:28:36,26.205 What's never happened, but is happening all the time? Your death. 1351 02:28:36,426.205 --> 02:28:37,476.206 It's never happened. 1352 02:28:37,556.205 --> 02:28:38,996.205 You're here, sitting in front of me. 1353 02:28:39,556.206 --> 02:28:43,336.206 But it's happening by the second, isn't it? day, it's happening. 1354 02:28:43,706.206 --> 02:28:48,456.205 And when you die, you'll find out, Holy fuck, I'm not dead, just my body's dead. 1355 02:28:48,726.205 --> 02:28:51,966.205 So death will have never happened, but it's happening all the time. 1356 02:28:52,196.206 --> 02:28:55,126.205 And life will have never happened, but it's happening all the time. 1357 02:28:55,546.206 --> 02:29:03,846.206 So myths are actually dealing with the most fundamental, deepest, most complex realities. 1358 02:29:04,466.206 --> 02:29:25,466.206 That the myths are actually channeled in by shaman and by the most tapped in people, but they're conveyed down to us by these higher dimensions where the beings are actually creating us, are telling us what's going on, and a myth is only a story to someone who's lost touch with the magic, the archaic. 1359 02:29:25,791.206 --> 02:30:06,741.206 The magic and the mythic reality to the people that lived in them, beings like Zeus and Thor and all these beings, they meant virtues, they meant values, they meant forces that you have to learn how to manage and how to deal with, right? So, in a nutshell, if you lose touch with the truth and the reality of myth, then your stories no longer support life, they're no longer effective for educating children, they're no longer effective for keeping people in harmony, they're no longer effective for regulating a civilization, or a tribe to start with, a society, then a civilization, then a world population. 1360 02:30:07,141.206 --> 02:30:18,951.206 Now if you get to the mental level and you start worshipping ideas, but you don't know which one of them is actually supporting life or truth or good or beauty or antagonizing it, you create a hell of a shitstorm. 1361 02:30:19,671.205 --> 02:30:42,986.206 If you get to the mental level and you've got ideas that are actually destructive to life but highly profitable and you worship money more than you actually worship reality, Then you die a rich person, and you take a lot of people with you, and so you have to say, were you ever rich at all? You actually deify money more than you deify goods that are tangible. 1362 02:30:43,656.206 --> 02:31:19,541.206 Who cares how much stock you've got in a drug company if you're not even eating real food? Who cares how much wealth you have if the world is dying and the oceans are dying and the intelligence of your children is dropping through the floor and the rates of suicide are going to the top while you're capitalizing on all of this? Who cares how smart you are if your government is so stupid it doesn't even know how to care for its people and it actually goes to war against them and makes up fake diseases? And fake pandemics to control the minds and the money of people. 1363 02:31:19,841.206 --> 02:31:27,571.206 Okay, so when you get to the mental level, without the archaic, the magic, and the mythic, you are in deep trouble. 1364 02:31:27,971.206 --> 02:31:49,771.206 Now, if you enter the integral stage, and the intelligences converge on you at one time, and you've lost touch with them, You are now like a kite surfer who's been hit by a gale force wind and lifted off the ground and is now about a thousand feet in the air. 1365 02:31:50,501.206 --> 02:32:20,951.205 And the question is when the wind stops blowing and this little piece of material that's meant for jumping wave to wave has got to support you for a thousand foot drop, what's going to happen? And the winds of the integral stage are about like you being on 10 grams of really good mushrooms And so ask yourself what happens when the whole world is on 10 grams of mushrooms at once Yet, they don't know how to eat. 1366 02:32:21,31.205 --> 02:32:22,291.205 They don't know how to sleep. 1367 02:32:22,301.205 --> 02:32:25,251.206 They don't know how to drink They don't know where real food is. 1368 02:32:25,251.206 --> 02:32:30,781.206 They don't know where it comes from They believe bullshit ideas on the internet more than truth. 1369 02:32:30,791.206 --> 02:32:38,356.206 They know more about street fighter And stupid video games and they do about how to grow plants and food in their backyard. 1370 02:32:38,706.206 --> 02:32:40,376.206 They believe shit on television. 1371 02:32:40,376.206 --> 02:32:41,336.206 That's a lie. 1372 02:32:41,666.206 --> 02:32:54,256.206 They allow people to stick them full of poisons that do serious damage to them because some authority figure said so, and they can't tell the difference between a real educator and a real teacher and a real doctor and a fake one. 1373 02:32:55,16.206 --> 02:33:02,516.206 What do you do when your own CIA says our job will be done when nobody knows what the truth is and they're the people designed to protect you. 1374 02:33:02,516.306 --> 02:33:02,591.106 Okay. 1375 02:33:02,591.306 --> 02:33:06,831.106 This is the reality of Spirit Gym. 1376 02:33:07,431.106 --> 02:33:19,401.106 And the initiation we're going through begins with realizing who you are, what you are, and what life is, and what the word sacred means. 1377 02:33:19,461.106 --> 02:33:36,81.106 Because if you go one step further down the road, into the integral stage of consciousness, The power that you will have with technology and with free energy will magnify your pathology. 1378 02:33:36,431.105 --> 02:33:55,411.107 And to put it into perspective, Kyle, I've read surveys of what happened to people that won the lotto and the surveys say 98 percent of them ended up broke within a year on average, and they all wish they'd never won the lotto. 1379 02:33:55,776.107 --> 02:34:04,666.107 Because they got so deeply in debt and it damaged their relationship so bad because they realized the people they thought were friends only wanted their money. 1380 02:34:04,666.107 --> 02:34:08,326.107 And when the money was gone, there was nobody there to support them anymore. 1381 02:34:08,946.106 --> 02:34:24,931.106 So the point I'm making is if you put a million dollars in the hands of someone that can't even handle 50, 000 a year, The same pathological behavior and self management skills magnified by a million dollars destroys the individual. 1382 02:34:25,331.106 --> 02:34:48,41.106 Do you see the perspective I'm trying to create here? When you, when you have this much technological power, and your technological consciousness, is at a very, very advanced stage with enough nuclear weapons to destroy the planet 179 times over locked and loaded and pointed at each other right now. 1383 02:34:49,11.106 --> 02:35:00,251.108 But you've got the spiritual development of an infant and the consciousness of what you're doing with these powers of a disgruntled child. 1384 02:35:00,651.108 --> 02:35:03,521.108 You're in a very, very dangerous situation. 1385 02:35:03,661.108 --> 02:35:22,596.108 And if you bury your head in social media, video games, your favorite music, and a bunch of pot at a time when we need to wake up immediately and worship this planet and make sure all the ingredients of the cake of life are in balance. 1386 02:35:23,106.107 --> 02:35:29,476.108 The earth, the water, the fire, the air, the soil microorganisms, the water, all the things we've talked about. 1387 02:35:29,526.108 --> 02:35:41,406.108 If you're getting lost, In a digital reality, while the one that creates your ability to even hold that frickin phone or make that computer is eroding underneath you. 1388 02:35:41,806.108 --> 02:35:47,596.109 Well, the simple analogy is you're between a rock and a hard spot, it's gonna hurt when you wake up late. 1389 02:35:47,996.109 --> 02:35:52,976.108 So, Spirit Gym is about understanding these fundamental realities. 1390 02:35:53,656.109 --> 02:36:08,86.109 And saying look my reason for creating spirit gym simple 10 years ago I came to the realization that wow there They're, you know, i've been coaching people for almost 41 years. 1391 02:36:08,806.109 --> 02:36:10,16.108 I've been a therapist. 1392 02:36:10,286.108 --> 02:36:21,826.109 I've been a strength coach I've been a life coach, you know, i've seen every kind of disease and psychological problem and Entity, possession, you name it, I've come across it. 1393 02:36:22,286.109 --> 02:36:25,536.109 People come from all over the world to see me when no one knows what to do. 1394 02:36:25,536.109 --> 02:36:28,326.109 I've specialized in medical failures my whole career. 1395 02:36:29,326.109 --> 02:36:47,461.108 When you get to the point where you've studied as hard as I have, and spent as much time in committed spiritual development to realize what's really going on, You wake up and say, wow, the same reason I had to write, how do you move and be healthy? So people weren't poisoning themselves to death and didn't even know how to take care of a body. 1396 02:36:48,11.108 --> 02:37:07,301.108 I realized I've got to help people understand what's really going on, what religion is really for, what spirituality really is, what consciousness is and how it evolves and how right now we have the ability to use the same technologies that we're destroying life with and each other with to heal the planet. 1397 02:37:07,701.108 --> 02:37:10,731.108 You can use your phone to do miracles. 1398 02:37:10,951.108 --> 02:37:13,561.108 You can use chemicals to do miracles. 1399 02:37:13,571.108 --> 02:37:17,31.108 You can create bacteria that eat oil spills out of the ocean. 1400 02:37:17,431.108 --> 02:37:33,711.108 You can do, if we just use the technology we have with the underpinning of an understanding of the archaic The magic and the mythic, and we bring those together, and we worship the fact that we all need each other. 1401 02:37:33,921.108 --> 02:37:37,41.108 We all have something unique to share. 1402 02:37:37,361.108 --> 02:37:50,941.108 We all have gifts to share, and we are the evolutionary tip of the sword of this planet, and that Mother Earth is putting us through a rite of passage where we must take responsibility for what we're creating. 1403 02:37:51,661.108 --> 02:37:55,511.108 She will do fine without us, but we cannot get by without her. 1404 02:37:55,991.108 --> 02:37:57,901.108 And she is making a statement. 1405 02:37:58,271.108 --> 02:38:01,551.108 You must carry the weight of your own decisions. 1406 02:38:02,501.108 --> 02:38:05,791.108 You must accept responsibility for playing with chemicals. 1407 02:38:06,61.108 --> 02:38:10,181.108 You must accept responsibility for playing with electromagnetic waves. 1408 02:38:10,441.108 --> 02:38:14,281.107 You must take responsibility for playing with weapons. 1409 02:38:14,751.107 --> 02:38:22,101.108 You must take responsibility for using chemicals and denaturing the food supply in the name of money, instead of real health. 1410 02:38:22,781.108 --> 02:38:32,491.108 You must take responsibility for your anatomy of nature and for your anatomy of life itself and understand how it works as an integrated whole. 1411 02:38:32,851.108 --> 02:38:49,801.108 You must take responsibility for love and you must take responsibility for each other and you must become stewards of the garden before you die in the very garden that gave birth to you and I will have to stand here and watch you but I cannot intervene. 1412 02:38:50,671.108 --> 02:38:52,241.108 Or you will never grow up. 1413 02:38:52,341.108 --> 02:38:54,731.108 And that is the nature of an initiation. 1414 02:38:55,131.108 --> 02:39:02,481.108 You must face the reality that is before you and deal with it in an effective way or you die. 1415 02:39:02,881.108 --> 02:39:04,911.109 And that's the price of an initiation. 1416 02:39:05,621.109 --> 02:39:31,271.109 And the question is how many people are going to need to die before the rest of us wake up? We already saw with what we've just been through for over four and a half years that the so called experts and the medical authorities Haven't got a clue how to do anything that has anything to do with keeping people alive But they're very good at killing people And they don't seem to have any problem because it's very profitable to kill people. 1417 02:39:31,271.109 --> 02:39:52,646.108 It's very profitable to keep people sick It's profitable to keep the whole planet sick, but those people are not conscious They're not conscious of what matters most because if they were they would know that love is a responsibility And they couldn't be here without us and they we wouldn't We couldn't be here without them, not the way the system's set up right now. 1418 02:39:53,646.108 --> 02:40:13,46.107 So, Spirajim is really me saying, look, I've spent 40 years analyzing what gets people sick, what screws themselves up in relationship with themselves, what screws themselves up in relationship with each other, and how serious they lost they get in believing shit written in books called religion. 1419 02:40:13,366.108 --> 02:40:23,946.108 And never even take the time to look up the meaning of the words they're reading, let alone actually study or go find people that are quite well enlightened. 1420 02:40:23,996.108 --> 02:40:25,696.108 This is why I love to quote Shankara. 1421 02:40:25,726.108 --> 02:40:30,586.108 Shankara says, Until you are enlightened, you will never understand scripture. 1422 02:40:30,716.107 --> 02:40:33,476.108 And when you are enlightened, you do not need scripture. 1423 02:40:33,876.108 --> 02:40:50,776.108 Okay, well, I ask people, how many of the people that taught you when you were a child before you were even conscious enough to defend yourself against these ideas, how many of your Sunday schools, pastors, preachers, clergymen were enlightened? Well, Very, very, very, very few. 1424 02:40:50,926.108 --> 02:40:56,346.108 So what you've got is just a cut and paste hand me down, which is exactly what we have in universities. 1425 02:40:56,356.108 --> 02:41:04,746.107 There's a bunch of professors teaching physical sciences that have no experience actually being doctors or being therapists or being trainers. 1426 02:41:04,746.108 --> 02:41:21,106.108 I mean, I've met professors biomechanics that teach weightlifting from a stage who are overweight and out of shape and have never done a deadlift or a clean and jerk in their life, but they're give at conferences telling everybody else how to do this. 1427 02:41:21,586.108 --> 02:41:25,26.108 And I'm the worst guy to have in your audience if you start doing that. 1428 02:41:25,866.107 --> 02:41:31,536.108 And many of them have learned not to like me because I ask very dangerous questions. 1429 02:41:31,936.108 --> 02:41:47,366.108 that cannot be answered by somebody that is an intellectual, uh, stack of cards, but has no real experience, right? So, Spirit Gym's really my honest attempt to say, look, top down approaches have never worked. 1430 02:41:47,446.108 --> 02:41:49,636.108 Waiting for God to fix it. 1431 02:41:50,126.108 --> 02:41:52,766.107 Waiting for the President to fix it. 1432 02:41:52,786.108 --> 02:41:55,476.108 Waiting for some organization to step in. 1433 02:41:55,766.107 --> 02:42:00,236.108 How has that worked so far? Waiting for your universities to tell you the truth. 1434 02:42:00,246.107 --> 02:42:01,686.108 They're all bought and paid for. 1435 02:42:02,86.108 --> 02:42:04,126.108 It's time for a bottom up movement. 1436 02:42:04,411.108 --> 02:42:17,851.109 It's time for us to hold hands and get past all the racial and, uh, sexual and religious and, um, every other fucking difference that's getting in the way. 1437 02:42:17,881.109 --> 02:42:22,911.108 And it's, you know, if you, I like to think of the world as the dream board. 1438 02:42:22,911.108 --> 02:42:30,161.109 This is where we all come to be God, to dream itself into conscious awareness of the truth of itself. 1439 02:42:30,651.109 --> 02:42:49,871.108 And here, in this little tiny speck of land in the vast universe, we're on a planet in which we come into conscious awareness of self by the agency of everything that we call the archaic level of consciousness, which is the balance of the elements earth, water, fire, and air. 1440 02:42:50,31.108 --> 02:43:00,421.109 Which in the alchemist conception are not just physical earth, liquid water, fire in the fireplace, and the air you breathe. 1441 02:43:00,441.109 --> 02:43:02,401.109 Those are ranges of vibration. 1442 02:43:03,281.109 --> 02:43:35,541.109 All the way back in the beginning of alchemy, the alchemists We're clear about this is a rainbow bridge that starts at divine fire which is the dreaming nature of God or the top of the tree of the Kabbalah and it Manifests itself in a stepwise fashion So spirit is fire and then there's a progressive manifestation air is mine water is feelings emotions and values And the earth is the embodiment of those stages. 1443 02:43:35,981.109 --> 02:44:00,871.109 So the alchemists were actually pioneers of spiritual development whose intention was to extract consciousness out of the material form to be able to not have to keep going through the biological life, death process, or to get off of the wheel of Samsara, and to become a conscious spirit that could live in eternity without having to. 1444 02:44:01,181.109 --> 02:44:06,401.109 Constantly create a body in order to say I am in order to have a place. 1445 02:44:07,291.109 --> 02:44:09,511.109 So you, you have to evolve up to that. 1446 02:44:09,511.109 --> 02:44:15,201.108 Just like you don't want to give kids a hit of LSD because they're already, they don't have an ego. 1447 02:44:15,251.109 --> 02:44:20,201.109 So if you take someone without an ego and give them an ego dissolver, then you've actually just wasted the person. 1448 02:44:20,201.109 --> 02:44:22,461.109 So now, now they're in a deep state of psychosis. 1449 02:44:22,861.109 --> 02:44:26,771.109 So we come into the earth so we can slowly wake up. 1450 02:44:26,791.109 --> 02:44:35,591.109 This is why Plotinus said the soul's greatest addiction is to matter because the only God can give a soul and God's ultimately unconditional love. 1451 02:44:35,591.109 --> 02:44:44,651.109 So the soul is actually God embodying itself, but because the soul is ultimately unconditional love, it has no way to recognize itself. 1452 02:44:44,901.109 --> 02:44:51,881.109 And the creation of matter is so the soul can infuse itself into something and have a sense of time and place. 1453 02:44:52,351.109 --> 02:44:55,611.109 Time is created so that everything doesn't happen all at once. 1454 02:44:55,641.109 --> 02:44:59,391.109 Because if it does, we can't, God cannot become conscious of anything. 1455 02:44:59,791.109 --> 02:45:07,951.109 So ultimately, Platinus warned that the soul falls in love with matter and it falls so deeply into it that it gets addicted to it. 1456 02:45:08,421.109 --> 02:45:13,861.109 It gets entranced by it and it essentially, um, circumambulates. 1457 02:45:13,861.109 --> 02:45:16,261.109 It becomes like sleepwalking. 1458 02:45:16,986.109 --> 02:45:24,806.109 And that spiritual development, as Steiner taught, was the ability to wake up to the fact that you are not your body, you're not even the world. 1459 02:45:25,206.109 --> 02:45:42,26.109 What you truly are is God creating an environment in which it can wake up to what it is, but it takes a material form in order to capture consciousness so that it can slowly awaken to itself and become conscious of what it is. 1460 02:45:42,426.109 --> 02:45:44,566.109 And that is the nature of God dreaming. 1461 02:45:44,576.109 --> 02:45:51,806.109 God dreams itself into existence so that it can wake up in its own dream and say, I am. 1462 02:45:52,206.109 --> 02:45:58,786.109 And if we destroy the process, we can't do it with stones alone. 1463 02:45:59,456.108 --> 02:46:06,126.109 We have to have the biological process because that is what takes inert matter into a living form. 1464 02:46:06,126.109 --> 02:46:11,936.109 And that's what allows life force to move through a living system such that it can become conscious. 1465 02:46:12,351.109 --> 02:46:21,841.109 And it can actually start to grow, just like plants and trees follow the electric field toward the sun and the magnetic field wraps itself around the earth. 1466 02:46:22,301.109 --> 02:46:25,561.109 If there was no electric field, the plants wouldn't know which way to go. 1467 02:46:26,201.109 --> 02:46:30,781.108 They would, they could grow in every direction and nothing would live because they wouldn't capture sunlight. 1468 02:46:31,411.109 --> 02:46:38,51.109 So just like the electric force pulls plants and trees up out of the earth, spirit pulls us up out of matter. 1469 02:46:38,551.109 --> 02:47:06,226.108 But if we destroy the biological coherence that allows us to have a sense of self, time, and place, before we realize that the function of life is actually to pull us up out of matter, and to become conscious spiritual beings, at which time we are endowed with the creative ability to create more, to create other worlds and to create other beings that ultimately multiply God's capacity for experiencing itself. 1470 02:47:06,776.108 --> 02:47:09,216.1085 Then we will have to go back to the drawing board. 1471 02:47:09,216.1085 --> 02:47:16,106.109 And as I say to people all the time, I don't know if you've noticed, but it's a long way to find another planet. 1472 02:47:16,431.109 --> 02:47:59,831.109 With life like this that we can get to when we destroy this one So I have a serious concern about us spending all this money on space exploration and rockets and advanced military technology while we're Simultaneously destroying the very home we live in because even if we do get to another planet It's only going to be a handful of rich people that make it there And the question is how are they going to sustain themselves when they get there? So you see, this is a classic example of what happens when you enter into a dimension that is out of touch with reality and you siphon tons of money out of the public that should be going to the infrastructure and to the education system. 1473 02:48:00,241.109 --> 02:48:11,576.009 And you create a pew, few, very smart, dangerously stupid people that are trying to escape the mess that they've created instead of turning the consciousness and the energy back into you. 1474 02:48:11,846.109 --> 02:48:18,746.109 Supporting the planet so that we actually grow ethical and moral scientists instead of escape artists. 1475 02:48:19,146.109 --> 02:48:19,576.109 I love it. 1476 02:48:19,576.109 --> 02:48:23,596.109 We've been rocking and rolling here for probably the longest podcast I've done all year. 1477 02:48:23,596.109 --> 02:48:26,686.109 I had a good, great one with Daniel Firth Griffith, who I want to introduce to you. 1478 02:48:27,36.109 --> 02:48:29,641.109 He's good buddies with Fred Provenza and as Oh, wow. 1479 02:48:30,336.109 --> 02:48:32,336.108 Um, so I know you guys are going to love each other. 1480 02:48:33,256.108 --> 02:48:34,946.109 We've had a very deep conversation. 1481 02:48:34,956.109 --> 02:48:36,246.109 These are anytime I'm with you. 1482 02:48:36,246.109 --> 02:48:38,636.109 I want to extract as much. 1483 02:48:38,636.109 --> 02:48:39,776.109 I'm the first guy I learned in here. 1484 02:48:39,776.109 --> 02:48:43,536.109 So I love, I love the depth of this conversation, but one of the things that I really love. 1485 02:48:43,841.109 --> 02:48:54,31.108 About spirit gym is that in a sense, it's, it's your life's work, right? In a sense, it's, you don't leave any stone unturned, but there's multiple chapters on water, right? The nature of water. 1486 02:48:54,31.108 --> 02:48:59,701.108 And then how do we raise the vibration of frequency of water? So there's tons of practical stuff within spirit gym. 1487 02:49:00,231.108 --> 02:49:02,621.108 I, uh, the thing that blows me away the most. 1488 02:49:03,61.109 --> 02:49:28,561.109 You know and spirit was had you guided to the right lady But the artwork the symbols in the artwork are literally Things that just they translate beyond words almost like a psychedelic journey does, you know There's things that I can't put into words that it's actually unlocking within me You know this from mandala painting which you taught me sometimes i'll paint something and have no idea why i'm painting it And six months later, I'm like, holy shit. 1489 02:49:28,581.109 --> 02:49:30,401.109 I walked by the painting and the painting speaks to me. 1490 02:49:30,401.109 --> 02:49:31,11.109 I'm like, that's it. 1491 02:49:31,71.109 --> 02:49:32,221.109 That was the experience I just had. 1492 02:49:32,281.109 --> 02:49:32,561.109 Whoa. 1493 02:49:32,811.109 --> 02:49:33,951.109 You know, and it unlocks more. 1494 02:49:34,291.109 --> 02:49:34,521.109 Right. 1495 02:49:34,521.109 --> 02:49:42,401.109 And so not a lot of people have had those experiences, but the artwork alone in spirit gym gives me that experience. 1496 02:49:42,451.109 --> 02:49:48,921.109 It is that it is that beautiful and speaks, uh, the language of the soul better than words can. 1497 02:49:49,246.109 --> 02:49:50,436.109 I designed it that way. 1498 02:49:50,836.109 --> 02:50:01,876.109 It's, it's, it's me saying, Hey, even if you're too lazy to study these lessons, if you just look at the diagrams and the art, believe me, I'm watering the seeds and they're going to start awakening in you. 1499 02:50:01,896.108 --> 02:50:11,966.109 So I designed it knowing that a lot of people are going to be too lazy to do the real work, but at least I could put some sunshine on the seeds and the soil of the soul. 1500 02:50:12,366.109 --> 02:50:12,936.109 I love that. 1501 02:50:13,56.109 --> 02:50:13,596.109 I love that. 1502 02:50:13,646.109 --> 02:50:22,651.109 And I love the fact that, I mean, it is, It is quite deep, right? We, I think there's how many, how many, uh, how many volumes of this with the workbook? Is it Uh, there's. 1503 02:50:23,161.109 --> 02:50:37,341.109 There's 15 volumes, uh, there's 40 chapters, it's about 3, 000 pages, and there's a workbook section after each chapter so you learn how to apply it so it's not just theoretical fluffy shit. 1504 02:50:37,641.109 --> 02:50:51,251.109 I actually show you how to ground it in, in actual legitimate daily practices, be it eating right, breathing, moving, meditating, tai chi, whatever it is, I show you how to ground it, how to create your own personal myth. 1505 02:50:51,791.109 --> 02:51:12,901.109 How to illustrate your personal myth, how to share your personal myth with children and others so that you can share your reality with them and they can understand you better and you can understand yourself better, understand what the mind is and how it works as multiple chapters on the mind and how to think holistically, how to solve problems and use your mind effectively. 1506 02:51:13,541.109 --> 02:51:15,551.109 I mean, there's, there's, there's a lot in there. 1507 02:51:15,551.109 --> 02:51:18,531.109 I mean, there, you know, when you become a member. 1508 02:51:18,931.109 --> 02:51:34,561.109 You've accessed probably do about 150 hours of lessons and if you follow the lessons and do the work, it's probably for most people going to be somewhere between a year and two years of of progressive development. 1509 02:51:35,481.109 --> 02:51:42,971.109 And then as you know, I do sangha meetings each week and I take a piece of spirit gem and say, let's hone in on this. 1510 02:51:43,666.109 --> 02:52:29,206.109 And I reinforce the lessons, and then I open it up for Q& A, and I let you ask me questions, just like you're my private client, paying me the big dollars to sit here and work with me personally, and we each get to learn from each other's challenges, so you get to see what I say to the person who's having a God crisis, or is blowing their mind with psychedelics, or Has a parasite infection or has chronic back pain and and you know I want us all to learn from each other and and so it's really meant to be A community that that is actually committed to truly practical holistic spiritual development I mean i'm very much in line with kabir's philosophy Kabir was a Hindu Muslim saint. 1511 02:52:29,256.109 --> 02:52:34,306.109 Most people don't know who he is, but there's a great book called The Songs of Kabir, which is beautiful. 1512 02:52:35,196.109 --> 02:52:41,676.108 But Kabir was very against the, um, the elites in England. 1513 02:52:41,686.108 --> 02:52:46,996.108 They, they, the, the Brahmin class, they did not want him teaching to the untouchables. 1514 02:52:47,6.108 --> 02:52:52,856.108 They didn't want him teaching this deep spiritual knowledge to anybody but them, because they wanted to use it to control people. 1515 02:52:53,486.108 --> 02:52:55,936.108 But Kabir said absolutely not. 1516 02:52:56,306.108 --> 02:52:59,266.108 Anybody that wants to sit with me can be taught. 1517 02:52:59,386.108 --> 02:53:01,736.108 So they made three attempts to kill him. 1518 02:53:01,746.108 --> 02:53:02,716.108 That's a side note. 1519 02:53:02,726.108 --> 02:53:09,36.108 I wish I had time to tell the whole story, but it's pretty wild how they tried to get rid of them, even though they, he was their favorite teacher. 1520 02:53:09,36.108 --> 02:53:12,966.108 They decided in the end to be better to get rid of them than to have them telling the truth to everybody. 1521 02:53:13,526.108 --> 02:53:20,906.108 But the point I'm bringing up here is Kabir said, look, Sitting in caves and meditating is copping out. 1522 02:53:21,376.108 --> 02:53:23,266.108 That's not real spiritual development. 1523 02:53:23,266.108 --> 02:53:24,806.108 He challenged all the yogis. 1524 02:53:24,836.108 --> 02:53:33,496.108 He said, if you want to have a real spiritual life, get married, have kids, run a business, and do something in the world. 1525 02:53:33,896.108 --> 02:53:36,356.109 Anybody can go hide in caves and meditate. 1526 02:53:36,666.109 --> 02:53:38,626.109 Anybody can do asanas all day. 1527 02:53:38,626.109 --> 02:53:48,66.109 Anybody can Live the simple life, but he said, get married, have kids, and practice it in the world. 1528 02:53:48,66.109 --> 02:53:51,56.109 Or it is, I'm paraphrasing bullshit. 1529 02:53:51,456.109 --> 02:54:01,996.109 And so Spirit Jim is really me saying, look, every one of these approaches to meditation retreats, to every kind of medi, they're all tools in the toolbox. 1530 02:54:02,651.109 --> 02:54:16,711.109 But I've known many people that have spent long periods in meditation retreats that still can't manage their diet, that still don't know how to exercise right, that still fight like cats and dogs with their spouse and their family members, but they're great meditators. 1531 02:54:17,161.109 --> 02:54:19,231.108 So I'm saying, Hey, I could go down the lines. 1532 02:54:19,231.109 --> 02:54:27,51.109 I know lots of people that done lots of psychedelics, but they're the same village idiot they were six weeks ago or six months ago or a year ago. 1533 02:54:27,871.109 --> 02:54:33,41.108 And you know, as Houston Smith said, it doesn't matter whether it's meditation or plant medicines. 1534 02:54:33,441.108 --> 02:54:36,111.108 They'll show you where growth potential is. 1535 02:54:36,111.108 --> 02:54:39,491.108 They'll show you what you need to do, but they never walk through the door for you. 1536 02:54:39,891.108 --> 02:54:46,101.108 You can meditate all you want, and when you see the truth of yourself, you gotta walk through the door, do your healing, and grow up. 1537 02:54:46,501.108 --> 02:54:52,51.108 When you do psychedelics, they'll show you what you need to see, but they're not gonna force you to grow up. 1538 02:54:52,701.108 --> 02:54:55,201.108 And it's time for all of us to walk through the door. 1539 02:54:55,201.108 --> 02:54:57,621.108 So Spirit Gym is the walk through the door. 1540 02:54:58,121.108 --> 02:55:01,151.108 And it's, say, if you're having a hard time doing this, let's get together. 1541 02:55:01,151.208 --> 02:55:01,158.608 SpiritGym. 1542 02:55:01,158.608 --> 02:55:05,446.108 com And inspire each other and grow together, go at your own pace. 1543 02:55:05,446.108 --> 02:55:06,466.108 Nobody's forcing you. 1544 02:55:06,466.108 --> 02:55:08,756.108 You can go as fast or as slow as you want to. 1545 02:55:09,586.108 --> 02:55:13,286.108 And, you know, I put a huge amount of money into developing it. 1546 02:55:13,296.108 --> 02:55:15,626.107 The art costs a lot of money, all of it. 1547 02:55:15,706.108 --> 02:55:19,186.108 I had to take hundreds of thousands of hours of my time. 1548 02:55:19,186.108 --> 02:55:21,756.108 I've been working on this for 10 years and. 1549 02:55:22,136.108 --> 02:55:33,906.107 I started, uh, actually the, uh, the information gathering process was the first six years, but I started putting the body on it and writing the books and developing the program four and a half years ago, and I have to have money. 1550 02:55:33,906.107 --> 02:55:35,26.106 I got a family to feed. 1551 02:55:35,26.106 --> 02:55:35,776.1065 I got a farm. 1552 02:55:35,776.1065 --> 02:55:39,186.106 I got, I got responsibilities, so I can't just give it away. 1553 02:55:39,186.106 --> 02:55:40,886.107 I don't, I don't have a tent to live in. 1554 02:55:40,886.107 --> 02:55:43,566.107 I'm a man with a family and responsibilities. 1555 02:55:44,506.107 --> 02:55:51,856.107 And so I'm saying if you guys join spirit gym, you're supporting me and the infrastructure of spirit gym to keep it going. 1556 02:55:52,646.107 --> 02:56:23,16.107 And I'm supporting you with every bit of knowledge that I have and will answer any question you have and I'll teach you what I know about thinking, what I know about consciousness, what I know about health, what I know about life, and I'll invite all of the people I can get in the room to share as well and I'll bring people like you and others as mentors in and I'm saying this is for people that realize it's a bottom up movement or it's nothing. 1557 02:56:23,506.107 --> 02:56:27,66.107 We are, Donald Trump ain't, isn't going to save you. 1558 02:56:27,466.107 --> 02:56:29,146.106 Prince Charles isn't going to save you. 1559 02:56:30,126.107 --> 02:56:32,406.107 Bill Gates is certainly not going to save you. 1560 02:56:32,416.107 --> 02:56:34,56.107 None of the billionaires are going to save you. 1561 02:56:34,56.107 --> 02:56:36,396.106 In fact, they have the exact opposite in mind. 1562 02:56:37,236.107 --> 02:56:41,899.984778 And so I say, look, how far into the prison cell they're building. 1563 02:56:41,899.984778 --> 02:56:44,751.007 Do you get before you start saying, okay. 1564 02:56:45,581.107 --> 02:56:47,541.107 We've got to become self sufficient. 1565 02:56:47,631.107 --> 02:56:49,751.107 And I think that is the rite of passage. 1566 02:56:50,401.107 --> 02:56:54,811.107 The rite of passage is, is we create our own communication systems. 1567 02:56:54,811.107 --> 02:56:58,251.107 We create our own systems of finance and currency. 1568 02:56:58,681.107 --> 02:57:00,881.1065 We create our own spiritual awakening. 1569 02:57:00,881.1065 --> 02:57:05,181.107 We don't need a bunch of books telling us what to do and what God's going to do to us. 1570 02:57:05,581.107 --> 02:57:06,31.107 We. 1571 02:57:06,461.107 --> 02:57:35,201.106 use religion as the basis of love and love is the basis of religion, and we realize that the whole kingdom is God awakening to itself, and to the degree we can come to the realization that that is the truth, then we must, out of our love for what God really is, give God an opportunity to verify itself, because it can look in the mirror and say, I am and I love and I will and I do and I'm committed. 1572 02:57:35,871.107 --> 02:57:42,701.107 Otherwise, what are we doing here? painful does it have to get before you start asking bigger questions? That's my question. 1573 02:57:43,101.107 --> 02:57:43,491.107 Pain time. 1574 02:57:43,526.1065 --> 02:57:52,316.107 love that you always, you always talk about the pain teacher as such a valuable teacher, but that the pain teacher's main job is to quicken consciousness. 1575 02:57:52,356.107 --> 02:57:52,926.107 Yes. 1576 02:57:53,276.107 --> 02:58:00,776.107 And that most people that have come to you come from crisis, right? A few come to you, not in a state of crisis because they want higher education. 1577 02:58:00,776.107 --> 02:58:01,916.107 They realize we can learn. 1578 02:58:02,356.107 --> 02:58:05,926.106 And if we, if we take a look at the world around us right now, we realize. 1579 02:58:06,456.107 --> 02:58:11,206.107 Some of us, maybe, maybe you're, you know, maybe you, you've already been enlightened and you're good to go. 1580 02:58:11,206.107 --> 02:58:17,526.107 But like the, like the famous saying is, chop wood and carry water before enlightenment and after enlightenment, chop wood and carry water. 1581 02:58:17,926.107 --> 02:58:29,66.107 And you have such a beautiful expose of every facet of life from water all the way through spirit, the spiritual gnosis, how you connect to your soul, so much, so many beautiful things. 1582 02:58:29,451.107 --> 02:58:30,811.107 The touch points are incredible. 1583 02:58:30,891.107 --> 02:58:37,841.107 I mean, I think you, you realized this years ago that you couldn't keep spending too much time in one on ones because it's up to the masses. 1584 02:58:38,81.106 --> 02:58:42,721.107 So it is my, my deepest gratitude that you've put this together. 1585 02:58:42,991.107 --> 02:58:47,906.007 Um, I fucking love listening to your song goes once a week and catching up on the old ones. 1586 02:58:48,136.107 --> 02:58:51,726.107 I mean, it truly, it's, it's, uh, it's something that brings me great joy. 1587 02:58:51,796.107 --> 02:58:52,466.107 It is, it is. 1588 02:58:53,76.107 --> 02:58:54,526.107 It's one of the things that fills my Dr. 1589 02:58:54,526.107 --> 02:58:57,736.107 Happiness cup is knowing I'll get to see your face and get to hear from you. 1590 02:58:57,886.107 --> 02:58:58,536.107 Thank you. 1591 02:58:58,566.107 --> 02:59:35,186.107 Well, I, I love seeing you and when I get a chance to see you, um, on a call, I remember one time I think I saw you and Natasha there and I'm seeing a lot of people that you and I know and love, you know, Jason, Mimi Chase, uh, you know, even Latao Wang, the great, is in there and there's, there's just some, there's just like, there's right now, there's, I think we're right at 200 amazing people that are really committed and I think this is what we've all been craving is somewhere where we can really be honest and share love and know that we're not alone in this process before I forget anybody that wants to join. 1592 02:59:35,186.107 --> 02:59:40,426.107 We're giving a 15 percent off the annual membership and the. 1593 02:59:40,451.107 --> 02:59:45,361.107 The promotional code when you sign up is Kyle15, which should be easy to remember. 1594 02:59:45,361.107 --> 02:59:47,681.107 Kyle, as in Kyle Kingsbury, 15. 1595 02:59:48,321.107 --> 02:59:53,441.106 So you get 15 percent off the annual membership if you do the monthly payments. 1596 02:59:53,941.107 --> 02:59:55,971.107 Then the lessons are drip fed to you. 1597 02:59:55,971.107 --> 03:00:06,591.107 But if you sign up for the full year in advance, then the whole entire university, I call it the spirit gym university, you can pick and choose and go, uh, through them at your own pace. 1598 03:00:06,591.107 --> 03:00:23,491.105 And as you wish, uh, so, and there's other, a lot of other benefits if you pay for the year up in advance, but either way you go, it's loaded and you know, you can, you can really use your television and your phone and your computer for something. 1599 03:00:24,116.107 --> 03:00:48,636.107 That will grow you and will guide you and will put you in touch with like minded people and really help you Feel like you're really doing something to make the world a better place each day because anytime we make a change in ourself We we've definitely made the world better because we're part of it And I think, you know, we, we can't wait for other people to do it and we've got to do it ourselves. 1600 03:00:48,636.107 --> 03:00:59,576.107 And then no matter, no matter what happens, the more you grow in the teachings of spirit gym, the more accepting you are and, and ready you are for the reality of death. 1601 03:00:59,756.107 --> 03:01:06,346.107 And that's the number one fear most people have, but when you grow enough spiritually, then death is not an end. 1602 03:01:06,346.107 --> 03:01:09,546.107 It's a transformation into a new way of being. 1603 03:01:09,896.107 --> 03:01:12,116.107 And most of us have been there over and over again. 1604 03:01:12,116.107 --> 03:01:13,296.107 We've just forgotten it. 1605 03:01:13,881.107 --> 03:01:23,361.107 And, and, uh, you know, you know, damn well, you don't do a deep plant medicine ceremony if you're not ready to die, because if you aren't ready to die, then you don't belong in the ceremony. 1606 03:01:23,531.107 --> 03:01:29,1.106 So, um, you know, spirit gym is psychedelics without the psychedelics. 1607 03:01:29,401.106 --> 03:01:29,981.106 I love that. 1608 03:01:30,41.105 --> 03:01:31,381.105 Is that my spirit gym. 1609 03:01:31,581.105 --> 03:01:33,881.105 com is we'll link to this in the show notes and everything there. 1610 03:01:34,51.105 --> 03:01:34,581.105 My, yeah. 1611 03:01:34,611.105 --> 03:01:35,511.105 My spirit gym. 1612 03:01:35,781.105 --> 03:01:43,901.106 com and I named it that because it is your spirit gym, right? It's, it doesn't matter what I'm doing in spirit gym. 1613 03:01:44,266.106 --> 03:02:02,476.106 I mean, I could be on Lesson 72 and you're on Lesson 1, I could be having, uh, you know, Spirit Gym could very strongly enhance someone's ability to really practice Christianity as it's meant to be, and I could be practicing a completely different philosophy altogether. 1614 03:02:03,96.106 --> 03:02:57,221.106 But both of us are still growing in Spirit Gym, so it's a meta structure, and anybody can come, even atheists, because all I'm actually doing is showing you the principles by which consciousness creates and reality exists, and encouraging you to ask yourself, is it really true, each step of the way, whatever belief you have, and is it working for me? Is it creating freedom in my life? Is it helping me love more fully? You know, is it helping me become more whole? If your answer to those questions is yes, then who am I to tell you to change your story? My God, live it until the answer changes when you ask yourself, is it true? Is it creed? Is it? Is it giving me more freedom? Is it bringing me more love and, and, and life, you know? Um, so, the, the, the kind of a closing point is it's not a system where we all have to subscribe to the same beliefs. 1615 03:02:58,151.105 --> 03:03:08,301.106 It's just a place where you go and get real honest with yourself about whether or not those beliefs are working for you, and if they're ideal to pass down to your children before you've questioned them carefully. 1616 03:03:08,701.106 --> 03:03:09,191.106 I love it. 1617 03:03:09,221.106 --> 03:03:20,551.106 Well, we didn't get too far into it, which leaves our next podcast face to face wide open to really dive into, uh, the lessons, the sanghas and a bit more of what I've, I've really gleaned from it and learned from it. 1618 03:03:20,551.106 --> 03:03:28,171.106 So very excited for that one coming up face to face, uh, Paul, where can people find you online? We'll link to all this stuff in the, in the, in the show notes as well. 1619 03:03:28,196.106 --> 03:03:32,66.106 Sure, uh, my podcast is My Spirit Gym. 1620 03:03:32,266.106 --> 03:03:37,166.106 Uh, sorry, my podcast is Spirit Gym with Paul Cech, formerly Living4D with Paul Cech. 1621 03:03:37,766.106 --> 03:03:39,596.106 Uh, so it's Spirit Gym with Paul Cech. 1622 03:03:40,36.106 --> 03:03:43,236.1565 If you want the extended play, it's a minor investment of 7. 1623 03:03:43,236.1565 --> 03:03:45,856.106 99 a month. 1624 03:03:46,426.106 --> 03:03:49,476.106 Uh, so the first half, usually an hour to an hour and a half is free. 1625 03:03:49,506.106 --> 03:03:53,836.106 Second half, usually an hour to an hour and a half is the monthly fee where you go deeper. 1626 03:03:54,486.106 --> 03:03:57,316.106 Um, the Czech Institute is chekinstitute. 1627 03:03:57,356.106 --> 03:04:07,396.105 com, where I have all the Institute's teachings, which are very, very comprehensive, as you know, and there's lots for the public there, my books and things like that. 1628 03:04:07,796.106 --> 03:04:17,526.106 Um, my YouTube channel where I have over a thousand, probably about almost 1200 videos now for free on almost everything you can think of is, uh, youtube. 1629 03:04:17,546.106 --> 03:04:21,776.106 com forward slash Paul C H E K live youtube. 1630 03:04:21,806.106 --> 03:04:23,846.106 com forward slash Paul check live. 1631 03:04:24,246.106 --> 03:04:31,886.106 If you wanna look more into who I am and what I offer and things like that, just go to paul check.com. 1632 03:04:31,886.106 --> 03:04:41,646.106 That's kind of the hub for people that might wanna do a podcast with me on their show or kind of just, you know, the general Paul check kind of world. 1633 03:04:42,66.106 --> 03:04:43,146.106 Paul check.com. 1634 03:04:43,176.106 --> 03:04:45,996.106 So Institute is CHEK institute.com. 1635 03:04:45,996.106 --> 03:04:46,896.106 Paul check.com 1636 03:04:46,896.106 --> 03:04:49,376.106 is me, uh, spirit Gym with Paul. 1637 03:04:49,376.106 --> 03:04:50,666.106 Check is the podcast. 1638 03:04:50,666.106 --> 03:04:50,756.106 And. 1639 03:04:51,156.106 --> 03:04:53,396.106 YouTube forward slash Paul check. 1640 03:04:53,416.106 --> 03:04:54,436.106 Live is the YouTube. 1641 03:04:55,46.106 --> 03:05:01,626.106 Um, library and, uh, that's any one of those will keep you busy for the rest of your life. 1642 03:05:02,336.106 --> 03:05:04,366.106 And my, my spirit, Jim. 1643 03:05:04,596.106 --> 03:05:06,836.105 com is what we've been talking about. 1644 03:05:06,836.106 --> 03:05:09,116.106 As you know, Absolutely brother. 1645 03:05:09,116.106 --> 03:05:10,316.106 Well, I love you so much. 1646 03:05:10,326.106 --> 03:05:12,346.106 It's been incredible and I can't wait to do this again. 1647 03:05:12,411.206 --> 03:05:18,316.106 Yeah, I'm so grateful for you and Natasha and your family. 1648 03:05:18,316.106 --> 03:05:24,66.106 And just me and you, Kyle have had the most incredible time. 1649 03:05:24,96.106 --> 03:05:35,831.106 I don't have a single memory of me and you being together where I just didn't enriched and nourished by your presence, your company, your fellowship. 1650 03:05:36,581.106 --> 03:05:55,16.106 You and I have done very deep ceremonies together, and I always just feel so safe with you that I can really go all the way to wherever God takes me and, and, you know, Know that I'm with someone who can hold my hand if I get lost and I'm always there for you if, if need be. 1651 03:05:55,16.106 --> 03:06:12,886.106 But, you know, we've, you and I have found the, the edges in the beginning of ourselves a number of times, and we're still here to smile and giggle and laugh about it and, and support others in doing it in ways that are probably safer for them at their stage of development, excellently put. 1652 03:06:13,16.106 --> 03:06:14,56.106 I love you so much, Paul. 1653 03:06:14,66.106 --> 03:06:14,586.106 Thank you. 1654 03:06:14,646.106 --> 03:06:17,230.944 And, uh, and I look forward to being able to sit with you again. 1655 03:06:17,241.106 --> 03:06:18,291.106 lots of love, everybody. 1656 03:06:18,301.105 --> 03:06:19,931.105 Thanks for sharing the journey with us.

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