August 15, 2025 • 27 mins
The Motor City Madman, Ted Nugent joined the Josh Innes Show this morning.
Josh and Ted discussed a multiude of topics, including:
Josh doesn't hunt, but admires Ted's knowledge
Understanding the difference between art and reality
Ted toting a gun to the Michigan state capitol building
Ted celebrating 7,000 career shows
Will there be a Damn Yankees reunion?
Josh and Ted discussed a multiude of topics, including:
Josh doesn't hunt, but admires Ted's knowledge
Understanding the difference between art and reality
Ted toting a gun to the Michigan state capitol building
Ted celebrating 7,000 career shows
Will there be a Damn Yankees reunion?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Detroit's Wheels Josh and his show and with us now
is the legendary the MotorCity mad Man, Uncle Ted the Nuge.
It's Ted Nuge and Ted. How are you, sir, Josh.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
I'm doing so good at stupid and I'm willing to
share it with Happy summertime in the winter water Wonderland man,
I am.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
It is cool to talk with you, because, like, I'm
not a hunter. I grew up in Louisiana, but I
don't hunt. It's never really been my thing. I've never
really gotten into it. But I listen to you on
an episode of Joe Rogan once talking about hunting, and
it was so poetic and so well spoken and so
educational that like I wanted to go pick up a
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gun and learn how to shoot an elk. Like it's
just amazing how you speak so well and eloquently about
something that it makes someone like me who has no
interest want to go do it.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Boy, you know, Josh, I hear that everywhere Schmaine and
I go. Shamaane's got a wonderful podcast on a Real
America's Voice called Faith and Freedom, and my Real American
Voice podcast is called called Spirit Campfire, And there is
a connection there. I'm the only guy I think that's
ever delivered the message that there is a spirit to
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the wild. That's our award winning outdoor show on another
Pursuit channel for thirty six years now. And yes, there's
a lot of misunderstanding because of the dumbing down of America.
People think that nature is hands off, when actually we
have a moral, intellectual, environmentally, biologically, and I believe spiritual
obligation to be conscientious, knowing, educated stewards of these precious resources.
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I'm the only guy, Josh, that delivered the irrefutable truth,
logic and common sense. It's not very common except in
money in our circle and now on WLLZ, that our
quality of life is going to come from quality air, soil,
in the water, which is only produced by well managed,
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balanced wildlife habitat. I'm speaking to you right now, Josh.
Can you tell I'm high on the spirit of the wild.
I'm in a swamp in southern Michigan right now with
my dogs Jackson, Sadi and Coco. We've been filling feeders
and we've been working on duck blinds and deer stands,
and my time in the outdoors at seventy seven years
clean and sober has literally fortified myliveness. So that's the
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message you heard, and that's what Shamaine and I dedicate ourselves.
In fact, right here on our Rock and roll radio
station in Detroit, we're actually celebrating conservation, resource stewardship and
environmental awareness and participation. So God bless you for letting
me do that.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Man, Absolutely, one of these days, I want to just
get into one of these the big giant dot. That's
gonna sound stupid because I clearly have no what id
do what I'm talking about. But like these off road
golf cart things you guys go out in, I just
want to learn this. I want to run the roads
with you and learn how all this works and learn
about the Elk and all the big game and everything.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Well, you know, you come from Louisiana. That's since Paradise,
and I'm working in all fifty states NonStop. You know,
people think I'm an extremist and a radical. Well quit thinking,
know it. I am an extremist and I am a radical.
I'm radically alive and extremely involved in the sacred experiment
in self government in the Louisiana, the Louisiana Game Department
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went to this lady's farm. She had helped rehabilitate and
save the life of a fawn. And because it's against
the law to rehabilitate and save the life of a
fawn that they raised for three years, right in front
of their son, they killed it. Now, what kind of
numb nut would do that? In the sportsman's paradise and it,
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believe me, it's prevalent in all fifty states. Here in
the state of Michigan. It's so embarrassing how the Michigan
dn R and the Natural Resource Commission bureaucrafts have so
immorally and so illegally and so unethically mismanaged our wildlife. So, Josh,
I will take you up on that. But you know,
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this is a rock and roll radio show. But my
rock and roll has flames coming out of my guitar
and my ass. By the way, because I spend so
much time in the outdoors, it's so is so powerfully
reinvigorates me. It's called recreation because it recreates the soul.
So I was on the phone with Mark Farner this morning.
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I talked to Kid Rock. I talked to Ricky Medlock
about Leonard Skinnard. I talked to artists all across this
country that have discovered and celebrate the healing powers, the
higher level of awareness that nature gives you when you
actually spend time in it properly, conscientiously and dedicated, and
it really translates into music. It translates into happiness, It
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translates into a better relationship in your family, your neighborhood,
the earth, the good I mean, everybody now is going
crazy from field to table. That's what I've been doing
for seventy seven years. So welcome to the party of
a conscientious diet. There's nothing better than wild game.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
No dude, I'm with you, and Ted Nugent's with us.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
Speaking of all your friends, you got the new song
with Ira Deine that's I just watched. The video has
got a million views on YouTube, and you just brought
up Kid Rock and all the guys that you run
the roads with and talk with. I admire you guys because,
quite frank you guys don't give a shit. And I
mean that in the best way possible. Like guys of
my age, I'm almost forty, there's a lot of guys
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that like you're you're afraid of your own shadow. You
don't want to get canceled? How like, how do you
live this way? How does Ted Nugent kid rock guys
like that? Just go screw it. I'm gonna do what
I want to do. No one's gonna tell me how
I'm gonna live.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Well, believe me, the names I just mentioned, there's a
bunch of We got an incredible guitar player in Detroit
named Mark Kasta. We've got great, great conservation families all
across the great state of Michigan, all across the country.
And believe me, when you identify properly, you've properly identified.
We don't give a shit. But the reason we don't
give a shit, Josh, is because we really really give
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a shit. So before you dismiss, before we come to
the conclusion that we're on a proper track in life.
A true North compass setting, if you will, truth, logic,
and common sense will guide you to make decisions that
benefit your quality of life, your family's quality of life,
your neighbor, your ban, your crue, your fellow employees, people
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at church and school. If you just pay attention and
see the mistakes man have made in the past, it
can be identified as Marxism, communism, liberalism, fascism, all these terrible,
terrible political travesties that unfortunately here in the state of Michigan,
were run by a governor that embraces a drag queen
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story guy that you know twist is asked to little
boys and girls singing it won't lick itself. I mean,
that's downright disgusting. And when you embrace that kind of
up and then you make policy for the rest of
the state and the rest of the nation based on
those obscene abandonment of morals, then you, like Kid Rock,
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like Ricky Medlock, like Mark Farner, like myself, we stand
up for what we know is right. And since we
know what is right, we're not cocky enough to think
we know it without examining the evidence and the historical
truisms that are so ubiquitous, if you just get your
head out of your ass. So once we determine that
we're doing the right thing for God, family, country, law
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and order, quality of life, good over evil, then we
don't give a shit what you think, because we know
we're promoting the best stuff to help everybody's quality of life.
So before you don't give a shit, you have to
really really give a shit.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Well I'll push back here though, because the argument would
then be, well, you talk about the drag queens and
everything else, but you are the guy of jail bait.
You are the guy of cat scratch, fever, Wang bang
sweetpoon tang. That would be the argument that people would
make against you is why is your stuff okay and
the stuff that these people are doing isn't.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Well, let's really let's believe everybody take a deep breath
and pay close attention right now, Josh, do you really
do you really think that Eric Clapton or Bob Marley
shot to sheriff? Do you really believe that? Do you
actually believe they shot the sheriff? It's a fucking song.
(08:30):
How about how about you really think Bond Scott handled
dynamite and tn You're really really are you kidding me? Actually,
let's talk about the song Jailbait that was written when
I was seeing these giant hundred foot billboards of uh
what was that beautiful young girl's name, brook Shields. He
was everywhere. She was thirteen years old and they were
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absolutely manipulating her for sexual promotion of products. Well, when
I saw the song, was it originally used Brookshield's name
because it was so disgusting. But in the song Jailbait,
it talks about stealing cars, never have, never will, talks
about stealing old ladies purses, never have, never will. It
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was a condemnation of what was becoming standard in America
where they're using these little girls to promote sex to
sell products, and so I was making fun of them.
But then the record company said, well, you can't use
Brookshield's name, So I did the song. Anyhow, if you
don't get a kick out of that song, your brain dead.
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And you think Michael Moore is a shining example of hygiene.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Ted Deutchezlla. But I mean, what is the line between
what is fantasy and what is reality? And music?
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Right?
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Because you write about what's real in your life, So
how do we differentiate what satire, what's parody, and what's real?
Speaker 2 (09:51):
Boy? What a great question, Josh. And here's another moment
on WLZ where everybody might want to write this down. Think, man,
think if you would, you really think Mick Dagger has
ever been a street fighting man? Really? Well?
Speaker 1 (10:08):
But hold out, but but but but then you hear
stories old school rock guys like you'll hear stories like, oh,
by the way, Don Henley's got a you know, a
dead fifteen year old prostitute in his house, Like that
was the life that back then, young girls, all that stuff.
So like if someone hears a song called jail Bait seventies, like,
it's not unrealistic to think that maybe somebody was living
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that life.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
I think, Uh, what's good? Boys are back in Couff.
Didn't Lizzy had a song called Joe Bait too? Didn't
they anybody ever have a problem with that?
Speaker 1 (10:39):
I think that was jail break.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
No, they had the maybe his ad DC had it.
But my point, My point is, if you live a
conscientious life and you pay attention to the way the
world works, stop and think of Richard Pryor making a
career out of his afro catching fire. Now, you know,
a lot of people go, I'm a racist for referencing
that Richard Pryor made a career out of his afro
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catching fire. Except the problem is Richard Pryor did make
a career out of his afro catching fire, So he
was not condoning us, you know, burning crack and smoking crack.
He was actually given a lesson that you shouldn't or
your afro might catch fire. See, you have to have
at least a modicum of sophistication of how the world
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works and how people think. Think of a joke by
Lenny Bruce and Sam Kinison. I spent many many nights
in Los Angeles with Sam Kinison, Robin Williams, Richard Pryor,
Rodney Dangerfield. I hung out with these guys. It was irreverent,
nasty humor, but it was humor. Anybody that can't differentiate
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the difference between that, you might want to call one
eight hundred numb nuts. I mean if you think, for example,
I've had a Ted Nugent camp for Kid's charity for
thirty six years, a nonprofit charity. We've graduated tens of
thousands of little boys and girls to be clean and sober,
to have safe gun handling, to be conservationists and resource stewards,
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to hunt and fish and trap, and to be a
positive influence on their fellow boys and girls throughout their lives.
Now I have parents coming to my camp for kids
that were children twenty five thirty years ago. How who
could be so brain dead to think that my song
jail Bait defines me but not thirty six years of
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influencing little boys and girls to be the best that
they can be, to be conscientious, to be clean and sober,
and to pursue an American dream of positivity and productivity.
Here's the point that I make in all my interviews.
I dare anybody listening, anybody to debate me live, and
I'll have to dance on your skull like I did
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Pierce Morgan. You know, typically when people argue with me,
they go, well, let me be devil's advocate. Well, if
you're going to take a counterpoint to my belief system,
then you would be you would be advocating the devil.
So go for it, numb nut So okay, got that beautiful?
Or what? Uh? No?
Speaker 1 (13:13):
I love it?
Speaker 2 (13:13):
Ted?
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Nugen's with us? So you knew that you weren't supposed
to bring a gun into the state capitol?
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Right? False? I have? You know you might want to
here we go again, Think, man, Think. The Founding fathers
wrote down all the things that the kings and the
tyrants and the emperors wouldn't allow in their drive for
control and slavery. They wrote down the First Amendment. Because
I don't need paperwork to be speaking to you right now.
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I don't need paperwork or a permit or a license
to choose my religion, and I sure as hell don't
need some other man's authorization to where, if, how, or
when I keep and bear arms, And don't give me
this crap. Well it's the law. Well would you arrest
a park because that was the law? How about raid
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marl Lago? Well how about hanging the black child because
he looked at your white wife down in Selma in
nineteen fifty two? The laws are bad. In fact, every
gun law Josh is illegal because it would qualify as
an infringement. Hello, everybody, my name is Ted NuGen. I
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keep and I bare arms. Thank you very much.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Drive safely so to interrupt though, So the people like
the people on like that you're speaking in front of
the hypocrisy is they all can have guns?
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Right boy? You could come up with unlimited examples of
the hypocrisy, and once again a big salute to the
heroes of law enforcement. I've been a sheriff in Lake
County since nineteen eighty four. I've conducted raids of the
US Marshalls and the Texas Rangers. I've been involved with
fourteen felony arrests. I'm not the hero of law enforcement
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like the full time guys, but I have been for
forty years now of participating to bring law and order
safe streets and neighborhoods in my own guitar playing way.
But the point is is that the state troopers that
approached me at the Capitol were so professional and they
were also they were let down that they had to
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take a forty year trained and qualified law enforcement agent
who has been involved with felony rage because somehow it's
not a good idea to have that guy to have
a gun on his belt. Really, someone try to make
that point to me, and once again, well it's the law.
Well would you arrest Rose apart because that was the law?
Speaker 1 (15:43):
Yes, and you're not wrong. But I feel like someone
who knows all of these laws as well as you
do would not have walked in with the gun, is
all I'm saying. I'm not judging you for it. In fact,
I would argue that the inep security guard that let
you through should be the bigger story than Ted NuGen
bringing a gun into the State Capitol building.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
Well, number one, it was not a law. I did
not break the law. It was a rule. And believe me,
all my life I've been a like I said, I've
been a sworn law enforcement agent for forty years.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
So a rule is just a suggestion. Basically, a rule
is a suggestion until it's a law.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
That now you got it, Josh point. The point is
is that we were to pass just think of the
insanity that we have to deal with. We had to
pass House Resolution two eighteen that authorized sworn law enforcement
to carry a gun nationwide. Think of the mental health
problems of an individual that wouldn't want a state trooper
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from Michigan to have his gun with him when he's
on vacation in North Carolina. That was the law back then.
But we fought with the law enforcement agencies and with
the DOJ back when it was actually a Department of Justice,
and we changed the law. So if you're a sworn
law enforcement agent, you can carry a gun nationwide, which
was a good step towards national reciprocity for we the
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people to actually keep in bare arms in America. By
the way, the second Amendment like the first. Do you
think the First Amendment is different in each state? I
won't even let you answer that. I'll just tell you.
The First Amendment is good in America without paperwork, without licenses,
and without permits. My Second Amendment is good while I
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am on a planet Earth, wherever I may walk. It's
an individual gift from right from God that is guaranteed
in the US Constitution. The point is, the point is
you just can't it just limit a constitutionally guaranteed right.
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You know, whenever I'm in Europe, do you think I
might be armed? You think I get that.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
But there are still places that don't want you to
have guns in there.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
That's tough, isn't it.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
I guess it's my ass.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
I think there's the man Josh because they oh, by
the way that in this area over here, you're not
allowed to defend your life. Kiss my ass. Well, you're
not allowed to defend your life over here, kiss my ass.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
Yeah, that's Ted Nugent. Obviously you're going to be at
Michigan Lottery Amphitheater on August thirty. First, you got a
whole week of shows in Michigan. Seven thousand shows. How
the hell do you know you've played seven thousand shows.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
I went back and I had kept records all through
the Amboy Dukes, all the way back to the lures.
I had notes and I had a journal, and we
went back and counted all the gigs, all the jam sessions,
all the national anthems for the military, playing the starth
Spangled Banner with Toby Keith and Fallujah. I went back
and counted all the times I got on stage with
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Van Halen, A Heart and Journey, and it was easy top.
I counted all the times of the North American Music
Merchants Association Convention where I got on stage with Eddie
van Halen and Brian May. I counted every gig, every
sock hop, every pool party, every fraturnity party at the
University of Detroit. I counted them all.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
There's no way you counted all those. There's no way.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
Oh I did absolutely. I went back and counted them all.
My point is I might have missed some, but I've
I've done six thousand, nine hundred and ninety eight rockout
And on the twenty fifth up in Lexington, that'll be
six ninety nine. And on the twenty sixth of August
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twenty twenty five, that will be my seven thousand slame
throwing rhythm and blues soul music outrage.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
When can you get Damn Yankees back together?
Speaker 2 (19:42):
Would that be wonderful?
Speaker 1 (19:44):
Is the greatest thing ever.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
I'm jamming with Jack Blazen. What an amazing band, Night Ranger.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
It's my favorite band ever. They'd sound amazing, don't they.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Just they're so good, They're so sotole for Michael Cardeloni.
He did my first few tours after the Damn Yankees
ninety three to ninety four, ninety five as my drum
Michael Carloni. Then he joined Leonard Skinner, who has been
on the road with Leonard Skinner non stuff. So they're
world class musicians, world class gentlemen, world class work ethic.
I keep in touch with him and we never say never.
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But it's so difficult because Stix is always touring, Night
Rangers always turing, Leonard Skinner's always touring. I'm always rocking
and hunting, and it's just a matter of finding time
and place that we can get together. But believe me,
we want to and we hope to. Well.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
Such a law abiding citizen you are, yet in the
high Enough video, your your guitar was deflecting law enforcement's bullets.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
There's another perfect example between reality and entertainment.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
Good call jod How coulds don't tread on me?
Speaker 2 (20:47):
God?
Speaker 1 (20:47):
That's a good song.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
God, what a great what a great intro, what great vocals,
what groove? These guys, you know, Tommy Jack and Michael
they every time we get on stage, and now with
Jason Hartless my Sterling Heights Monster Detroit drummer and Johnny
Big from Waco, Texas, every night we get on stage,
and going all the way back to nineteen fifty eight,
nineteen fifty nine with the Lords, we really approach every
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rock out, every performance, every song, every gig, every night
as if we're auditioning for James Brown, and if we
don't make the audition, we get really pissed off. At
the bottom line is we always do make the audition.
And Tommy, Jack and Michael, they have so much soul.
I don't know if you know this, but Tommy Shaw
is a huge black funk brother from Motown trapped in
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the little white boy's body. I mean, is just he
has so much fire and so much soul and so
much talent. I'm just honored the quality of musicians that
I've been surrounded by all my life.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Give me a percentage likelihood that we can even get
a one off Damn Yankees reunion show.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
Well, you know, without consulting my teammates, I have no idea.
I think it's a single digit percentage possibility. But we
but we never stay never. I mean like, I'm getting
on stage with Night Ranger. I did it up in
Traverse City, I think two years ago, and we played
Coming of Age and we played Cat Scratch Fever. And
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I'm doing a military fundraiser again in Jackson with the
John Bailey Foundation and Night Rangers performing. I think a
private invite on a gig, But I'm gonna get on
stage with Night Ranger. We're gonna play Coming of Age
and maybe Come Again, maybe maybe Don't Tread, and Cat
Scratch Fever, maybe Stranglehold. But I still jam with these guys.
They're so good.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
Maybe where are you going now? Where you're up there
on the stage, swaying back and forth with your guitar, man,
that's good stuff.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
It's good stuff. I'm so proud of that stuff. Those
guys are so talented. And by the way, again, I
don't think it's emphasized often enough, the incredible work ethic
of all your favorite bands, the amount of sacrifices and
the things that many of us have missed out on
in our life because we rehearsed and rehearsed tour and
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the tour. Now I don't tour anymore, but I still
do gigs as long as I can be home at
night with Shamaine. And that's why we're doing the Michigan
run the last week of August, because I get to
play Lexington, come back to the cabin. Then I play Stagernhawk,
come back to the cabin. Then I played Luddington, come
back to the cabin. Then I play Pawpaw, and then
I come back to the cabin, and then I play
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Freedom Hill and come back to the cabin.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
God, that's Ted Nugent before we let you go. Then
Ted uh looking at just overall big picture. We talked
Damn Yankees. I love Damn Yankees. I'd love to see
you guys get back together for a one night I
don't care. I think you guys are phenomenal. But when
you were in Damn Yankees, you guys did some shows.
I think for the guys, a desert storm. I think
you guys did a whole I think a tour over there,
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at least a one off. I believe that's right, right,
all right, right, Yeah. What is it like when you're
in front of some guys who are defending the country
and you are up on stage, you're playing Don't tread
on Me in the middle of this war? What is
that like to be in that moment?
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Well? Yeah, you know, I've never stumbled to express myself.
Nobody's ever heard Ted Newson talking about Yeah. I wonder
what he meant. But the English language is much too
limited to adequately express the dynamic of performing songs that
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the heroes of the military and their families have already
communicated to us that they mean a lot to them.
And I'm in touch with these heroes. I'm working with
one hundred and four year old Leonard. His name is Leonard,
one hundred and four years old, a survivor of the
Battle of the Bulge. That's what we're going to do
a fundraiser for. I've spent campfires with heroes that survived
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the Baton Death Mound, Normandy Beach Ewajima. These people seek
me out because they hear my interviews where I stand
up for constitutional rights. Because they all dedicate their lives
to fighting and dying for the US Constitution. So whether
it's the Damn Yankees or my band, or or a
jam session or a benefit concert with Night Ranger, every
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musician I know knows that freedom is not free. And
when you see the enthusiasm when I played with Godsmack
out at Camp Pendleton out in California, and by the way,
Godsmack performed Casscrash Fever and Stranglehold absolutely perfect. Maybe guys
were just animals, But when we look out there and
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see every night, every audience is the most important audience.
Every audience is so inspiring. Every audience is just reeking
of love and celebration of the music we've put our
heart and soul into. Now take that to the level
of people that are willing to die for our right
to do this. Josh, the only term I can think
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of is that it's out of body. It's surreal, it's
deep into the spirit world. When you dedicate yourself to
archery and marksmanship, there's a mark arts component, a samurai component,
and we find ourselves in a martial arts, samurai spirit
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music moment when we see those heroes out there, especially
when almost every constant we do for the military and
their families were raising money for them because we owe them,
and it's so damn special. I think I'm expressing it adequately.
I think you get an idea what I'm talking about,
but it really is out of body and an honor
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and a humbling experience to have the US military heroes
and their family go absolutely wild when you play the
songs that they love.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
That's Ted NuGen fiftieth anniversary, A stranglehold. Seven thousand shows.
Maybe close. We're rounding seven thousand shows a whole week
in Michigan. Wraps up with the Michigan Lottery Amphitheater in
Sterling Heights, August thirty first, Ted, Uncle Ted, we appreciate you, brother.
This was awesome. I'd love to do it again anytime.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
Josh. I gotta tell you this wonderful, what a great
conversation we had, and you really hit all the points.
I love you and Doug Bodell and all these people
in rock and roll radio because you really love the music.
And when you when you show in a conversation with
the MotorCity mad Man, the Detroit guitar Boy, how much
you love the music. You know the music, you celebrate
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the music. I love you, Josh in this nice job buddy.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
I love you, Ted Nugent, Thank you Tom.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
Celebrate that stuff.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
Ted. I appreciate you so much, ma'am.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
Back at Josh, that was great man. We should do it.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
Again absolutely anytime.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
Man.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
I love talking with you. Dude. Well, God bless you man,
you too, have a go in, Ted,
Detroit's Wheels Josh and his show and with us now
is the legendary the MotorCity mad Man, Uncle Ted the Nuge.
It's Ted Nuge and Ted. How are you, sir, Josh.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
I'm doing so good at stupid and I'm willing to
share it with Happy summertime in the winter water Wonderland man,
I am.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
It is cool to talk with you, because, like, I'm
not a hunter. I grew up in Louisiana, but I
don't hunt. It's never really been my thing. I've never
really gotten into it. But I listen to you on
an episode of Joe Rogan once talking about hunting, and
it was so poetic and so well spoken and so
educational that like I wanted to go pick up a
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gun and learn how to shoot an elk. Like it's
just amazing how you speak so well and eloquently about
something that it makes someone like me who has no
interest want to go do it.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Boy, you know, Josh, I hear that everywhere Schmaine and
I go. Shamaane's got a wonderful podcast on a Real
America's Voice called Faith and Freedom, and my Real American
Voice podcast is called called Spirit Campfire, And there is
a connection there. I'm the only guy I think that's
ever delivered the message that there is a spirit to
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the wild. That's our award winning outdoor show on another
Pursuit channel for thirty six years now. And yes, there's
a lot of misunderstanding because of the dumbing down of America.
People think that nature is hands off, when actually we
have a moral, intellectual, environmentally, biologically, and I believe spiritual
obligation to be conscientious, knowing, educated stewards of these precious resources.
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I'm the only guy, Josh, that delivered the irrefutable truth,
logic and common sense. It's not very common except in
money in our circle and now on WLLZ, that our
quality of life is going to come from quality air, soil,
in the water, which is only produced by well managed,
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balanced wildlife habitat. I'm speaking to you right now, Josh.
Can you tell I'm high on the spirit of the wild.
I'm in a swamp in southern Michigan right now with
my dogs Jackson, Sadi and Coco. We've been filling feeders
and we've been working on duck blinds and deer stands,
and my time in the outdoors at seventy seven years
clean and sober has literally fortified myliveness. So that's the
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message you heard, and that's what Shamaine and I dedicate ourselves.
In fact, right here on our Rock and roll radio
station in Detroit, we're actually celebrating conservation, resource stewardship and
environmental awareness and participation. So God bless you for letting
me do that.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Man, Absolutely, one of these days, I want to just
get into one of these the big giant dot. That's
gonna sound stupid because I clearly have no what id
do what I'm talking about. But like these off road
golf cart things you guys go out in, I just
want to learn this. I want to run the roads
with you and learn how all this works and learn
about the Elk and all the big game and everything.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Well, you know, you come from Louisiana. That's since Paradise,
and I'm working in all fifty states NonStop. You know,
people think I'm an extremist and a radical. Well quit thinking,
know it. I am an extremist and I am a radical.
I'm radically alive and extremely involved in the sacred experiment
in self government in the Louisiana, the Louisiana Game Department
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went to this lady's farm. She had helped rehabilitate and
save the life of a fawn. And because it's against
the law to rehabilitate and save the life of a
fawn that they raised for three years, right in front
of their son, they killed it. Now, what kind of
numb nut would do that? In the sportsman's paradise and it,
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believe me, it's prevalent in all fifty states. Here in
the state of Michigan. It's so embarrassing how the Michigan
dn R and the Natural Resource Commission bureaucrafts have so
immorally and so illegally and so unethically mismanaged our wildlife. So, Josh,
I will take you up on that. But you know,
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this is a rock and roll radio show. But my
rock and roll has flames coming out of my guitar
and my ass. By the way, because I spend so
much time in the outdoors, it's so is so powerfully
reinvigorates me. It's called recreation because it recreates the soul.
So I was on the phone with Mark Farner this morning.
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I talked to Kid Rock. I talked to Ricky Medlock
about Leonard Skinnard. I talked to artists all across this
country that have discovered and celebrate the healing powers, the
higher level of awareness that nature gives you when you
actually spend time in it properly, conscientiously and dedicated, and
it really translates into music. It translates into happiness, It
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translates into a better relationship in your family, your neighborhood,
the earth, the good I mean, everybody now is going
crazy from field to table. That's what I've been doing
for seventy seven years. So welcome to the party of
a conscientious diet. There's nothing better than wild game.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
No dude, I'm with you, and Ted Nugent's with us.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
Speaking of all your friends, you got the new song
with Ira Deine that's I just watched. The video has
got a million views on YouTube, and you just brought
up Kid Rock and all the guys that you run
the roads with and talk with. I admire you guys because,
quite frank you guys don't give a shit. And I
mean that in the best way possible. Like guys of
my age, I'm almost forty, there's a lot of guys
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that like you're you're afraid of your own shadow. You
don't want to get canceled? How like, how do you
live this way? How does Ted Nugent kid rock guys
like that? Just go screw it. I'm gonna do what
I want to do. No one's gonna tell me how
I'm gonna live.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Well, believe me, the names I just mentioned, there's a
bunch of We got an incredible guitar player in Detroit
named Mark Kasta. We've got great, great conservation families all
across the great state of Michigan, all across the country.
And believe me, when you identify properly, you've properly identified.
We don't give a shit. But the reason we don't
give a shit, Josh, is because we really really give
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a shit. So before you dismiss, before we come to
the conclusion that we're on a proper track in life.
A true North compass setting, if you will, truth, logic,
and common sense will guide you to make decisions that
benefit your quality of life, your family's quality of life,
your neighbor, your ban, your crue, your fellow employees, people
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at church and school. If you just pay attention and
see the mistakes man have made in the past, it
can be identified as Marxism, communism, liberalism, fascism, all these terrible,
terrible political travesties that unfortunately here in the state of Michigan,
were run by a governor that embraces a drag queen
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story guy that you know twist is asked to little
boys and girls singing it won't lick itself. I mean,
that's downright disgusting. And when you embrace that kind of
up and then you make policy for the rest of
the state and the rest of the nation based on
those obscene abandonment of morals, then you, like Kid Rock,
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like Ricky Medlock, like Mark Farner, like myself, we stand
up for what we know is right. And since we
know what is right, we're not cocky enough to think
we know it without examining the evidence and the historical
truisms that are so ubiquitous, if you just get your
head out of your ass. So once we determine that
we're doing the right thing for God, family, country, law
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and order, quality of life, good over evil, then we
don't give a shit what you think, because we know
we're promoting the best stuff to help everybody's quality of life.
So before you don't give a shit, you have to
really really give a shit.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Well I'll push back here though, because the argument would
then be, well, you talk about the drag queens and
everything else, but you are the guy of jail bait.
You are the guy of cat scratch, fever, Wang bang
sweetpoon tang. That would be the argument that people would
make against you is why is your stuff okay and
the stuff that these people are doing isn't.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Well, let's really let's believe everybody take a deep breath
and pay close attention right now, Josh, do you really
do you really think that Eric Clapton or Bob Marley
shot to sheriff? Do you really believe that? Do you
actually believe they shot the sheriff? It's a fucking song.
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How about how about you really think Bond Scott handled
dynamite and tn You're really really are you kidding me? Actually,
let's talk about the song Jailbait that was written when
I was seeing these giant hundred foot billboards of uh
what was that beautiful young girl's name, brook Shields. He
was everywhere. She was thirteen years old and they were
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absolutely manipulating her for sexual promotion of products. Well, when
I saw the song, was it originally used Brookshield's name
because it was so disgusting. But in the song Jailbait,
it talks about stealing cars, never have, never will, talks
about stealing old ladies purses, never have, never will. It
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was a condemnation of what was becoming standard in America
where they're using these little girls to promote sex to
sell products, and so I was making fun of them.
But then the record company said, well, you can't use
Brookshield's name, So I did the song. Anyhow, if you
don't get a kick out of that song, your brain dead.
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And you think Michael Moore is a shining example of hygiene.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Ted Deutchezlla. But I mean, what is the line between
what is fantasy and what is reality? And music?
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Right?
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Because you write about what's real in your life, So
how do we differentiate what satire, what's parody, and what's real?
Speaker 2 (09:51):
Boy? What a great question, Josh. And here's another moment
on WLZ where everybody might want to write this down. Think, man,
think if you would, you really think Mick Dagger has
ever been a street fighting man? Really? Well?
Speaker 1 (10:08):
But hold out, but but but but then you hear
stories old school rock guys like you'll hear stories like, oh,
by the way, Don Henley's got a you know, a
dead fifteen year old prostitute in his house, Like that
was the life that back then, young girls, all that stuff.
So like if someone hears a song called jail Bait seventies, like,
it's not unrealistic to think that maybe somebody was living
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that life.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
I think, Uh, what's good? Boys are back in Couff.
Didn't Lizzy had a song called Joe Bait too? Didn't
they anybody ever have a problem with that?
Speaker 1 (10:39):
I think that was jail break.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
No, they had the maybe his ad DC had it.
But my point, My point is, if you live a
conscientious life and you pay attention to the way the
world works, stop and think of Richard Pryor making a
career out of his afro catching fire. Now, you know,
a lot of people go, I'm a racist for referencing
that Richard Pryor made a career out of his afro
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catching fire. Except the problem is Richard Pryor did make
a career out of his afro catching fire, So he
was not condoning us, you know, burning crack and smoking crack.
He was actually given a lesson that you shouldn't or
your afro might catch fire. See, you have to have
at least a modicum of sophistication of how the world
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works and how people think. Think of a joke by
Lenny Bruce and Sam Kinison. I spent many many nights
in Los Angeles with Sam Kinison, Robin Williams, Richard Pryor,
Rodney Dangerfield. I hung out with these guys. It was irreverent,
nasty humor, but it was humor. Anybody that can't differentiate
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the difference between that, you might want to call one
eight hundred numb nuts. I mean if you think, for example,
I've had a Ted Nugent camp for Kid's charity for
thirty six years, a nonprofit charity. We've graduated tens of
thousands of little boys and girls to be clean and sober,
to have safe gun handling, to be conservationists and resource stewards,
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to hunt and fish and trap, and to be a
positive influence on their fellow boys and girls throughout their lives.
Now I have parents coming to my camp for kids
that were children twenty five thirty years ago. How who
could be so brain dead to think that my song
jail Bait defines me but not thirty six years of
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influencing little boys and girls to be the best that
they can be, to be conscientious, to be clean and sober,
and to pursue an American dream of positivity and productivity.
Here's the point that I make in all my interviews.
I dare anybody listening, anybody to debate me live, and
I'll have to dance on your skull like I did
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Pierce Morgan. You know, typically when people argue with me,
they go, well, let me be devil's advocate. Well, if
you're going to take a counterpoint to my belief system,
then you would be you would be advocating the devil.
So go for it, numb nut So okay, got that beautiful?
Or what? Uh? No?
Speaker 1 (13:13):
I love it?
Speaker 2 (13:13):
Ted?
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Nugen's with us? So you knew that you weren't supposed
to bring a gun into the state capitol?
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Right? False? I have? You know you might want to
here we go again, Think, man, Think. The Founding fathers
wrote down all the things that the kings and the
tyrants and the emperors wouldn't allow in their drive for
control and slavery. They wrote down the First Amendment. Because
I don't need paperwork to be speaking to you right now.
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I don't need paperwork or a permit or a license
to choose my religion, and I sure as hell don't
need some other man's authorization to where, if, how, or
when I keep and bear arms, And don't give me
this crap. Well it's the law. Well would you arrest
a park because that was the law? How about raid
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marl Lago? Well how about hanging the black child because
he looked at your white wife down in Selma in
nineteen fifty two? The laws are bad. In fact, every
gun law Josh is illegal because it would qualify as
an infringement. Hello, everybody, my name is Ted NuGen. I
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keep and I bare arms. Thank you very much.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Drive safely so to interrupt though, So the people like
the people on like that you're speaking in front of
the hypocrisy is they all can have guns?
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Right boy? You could come up with unlimited examples of
the hypocrisy, and once again a big salute to the
heroes of law enforcement. I've been a sheriff in Lake
County since nineteen eighty four. I've conducted raids of the
US Marshalls and the Texas Rangers. I've been involved with
fourteen felony arrests. I'm not the hero of law enforcement
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like the full time guys, but I have been for
forty years now of participating to bring law and order
safe streets and neighborhoods in my own guitar playing way.
But the point is is that the state troopers that
approached me at the Capitol were so professional and they
were also they were let down that they had to
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take a forty year trained and qualified law enforcement agent
who has been involved with felony rage because somehow it's
not a good idea to have that guy to have
a gun on his belt. Really, someone try to make
that point to me, and once again, well it's the law.
Well would you arrest Rose apart because that was the law?
Speaker 1 (15:43):
Yes, and you're not wrong. But I feel like someone
who knows all of these laws as well as you
do would not have walked in with the gun, is
all I'm saying. I'm not judging you for it. In fact,
I would argue that the inep security guard that let
you through should be the bigger story than Ted NuGen
bringing a gun into the State Capitol building.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
Well, number one, it was not a law. I did
not break the law. It was a rule. And believe me,
all my life I've been a like I said, I've
been a sworn law enforcement agent for forty years.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
So a rule is just a suggestion. Basically, a rule
is a suggestion until it's a law.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
That now you got it, Josh point. The point is
is that we were to pass just think of the
insanity that we have to deal with. We had to
pass House Resolution two eighteen that authorized sworn law enforcement
to carry a gun nationwide. Think of the mental health
problems of an individual that wouldn't want a state trooper
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from Michigan to have his gun with him when he's
on vacation in North Carolina. That was the law back then.
But we fought with the law enforcement agencies and with
the DOJ back when it was actually a Department of Justice,
and we changed the law. So if you're a sworn
law enforcement agent, you can carry a gun nationwide, which
was a good step towards national reciprocity for we the
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people to actually keep in bare arms in America. By
the way, the second Amendment like the first. Do you
think the First Amendment is different in each state? I
won't even let you answer that. I'll just tell you.
The First Amendment is good in America without paperwork, without licenses,
and without permits. My Second Amendment is good while I
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am on a planet Earth, wherever I may walk. It's
an individual gift from right from God that is guaranteed
in the US Constitution. The point is, the point is
you just can't it just limit a constitutionally guaranteed right.
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You know, whenever I'm in Europe, do you think I
might be armed? You think I get that.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
But there are still places that don't want you to
have guns in there.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
That's tough, isn't it.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
I guess it's my ass.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
I think there's the man Josh because they oh, by
the way that in this area over here, you're not
allowed to defend your life. Kiss my ass. Well, you're
not allowed to defend your life over here, kiss my ass.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
Yeah, that's Ted Nugent. Obviously you're going to be at
Michigan Lottery Amphitheater on August thirty. First, you got a
whole week of shows in Michigan. Seven thousand shows. How
the hell do you know you've played seven thousand shows.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
I went back and I had kept records all through
the Amboy Dukes, all the way back to the lures.
I had notes and I had a journal, and we
went back and counted all the gigs, all the jam sessions,
all the national anthems for the military, playing the starth
Spangled Banner with Toby Keith and Fallujah. I went back
and counted all the times I got on stage with
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Van Halen, A Heart and Journey, and it was easy top.
I counted all the times of the North American Music
Merchants Association Convention where I got on stage with Eddie
van Halen and Brian May. I counted every gig, every
sock hop, every pool party, every fraturnity party at the
University of Detroit. I counted them all.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
There's no way you counted all those. There's no way.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
Oh I did absolutely. I went back and counted them all.
My point is I might have missed some, but I've
I've done six thousand, nine hundred and ninety eight rockout
And on the twenty fifth up in Lexington, that'll be
six ninety nine. And on the twenty sixth of August
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twenty twenty five, that will be my seven thousand slame
throwing rhythm and blues soul music outrage.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
When can you get Damn Yankees back together?
Speaker 2 (19:42):
Would that be wonderful?
Speaker 1 (19:44):
Is the greatest thing ever.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
I'm jamming with Jack Blazen. What an amazing band, Night Ranger.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
It's my favorite band ever. They'd sound amazing, don't they.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Just they're so good, They're so sotole for Michael Cardeloni.
He did my first few tours after the Damn Yankees
ninety three to ninety four, ninety five as my drum
Michael Carloni. Then he joined Leonard Skinner, who has been
on the road with Leonard Skinner non stuff. So they're
world class musicians, world class gentlemen, world class work ethic.
I keep in touch with him and we never say never.
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But it's so difficult because Stix is always touring, Night
Rangers always turing, Leonard Skinner's always touring. I'm always rocking
and hunting, and it's just a matter of finding time
and place that we can get together. But believe me,
we want to and we hope to. Well.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
Such a law abiding citizen you are, yet in the
high Enough video, your your guitar was deflecting law enforcement's bullets.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
There's another perfect example between reality and entertainment.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
Good call jod How coulds don't tread on me?
Speaker 2 (20:47):
God?
Speaker 1 (20:47):
That's a good song.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
God, what a great what a great intro, what great vocals,
what groove? These guys, you know, Tommy Jack and Michael
they every time we get on stage, and now with
Jason Hartless my Sterling Heights Monster Detroit drummer and Johnny
Big from Waco, Texas, every night we get on stage,
and going all the way back to nineteen fifty eight,
nineteen fifty nine with the Lords, we really approach every
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rock out, every performance, every song, every gig, every night
as if we're auditioning for James Brown, and if we
don't make the audition, we get really pissed off. At
the bottom line is we always do make the audition.
And Tommy, Jack and Michael, they have so much soul.
I don't know if you know this, but Tommy Shaw
is a huge black funk brother from Motown trapped in
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the little white boy's body. I mean, is just he
has so much fire and so much soul and so
much talent. I'm just honored the quality of musicians that
I've been surrounded by all my life.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Give me a percentage likelihood that we can even get
a one off Damn Yankees reunion show.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
Well, you know, without consulting my teammates, I have no idea.
I think it's a single digit percentage possibility. But we
but we never stay never. I mean like, I'm getting
on stage with Night Ranger. I did it up in
Traverse City, I think two years ago, and we played
Coming of Age and we played Cat Scratch Fever. And
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I'm doing a military fundraiser again in Jackson with the
John Bailey Foundation and Night Rangers performing. I think a
private invite on a gig, But I'm gonna get on
stage with Night Ranger. We're gonna play Coming of Age
and maybe Come Again, maybe maybe Don't Tread, and Cat
Scratch Fever, maybe Stranglehold. But I still jam with these guys.
They're so good.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
Maybe where are you going now? Where you're up there
on the stage, swaying back and forth with your guitar, man,
that's good stuff.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
It's good stuff. I'm so proud of that stuff. Those
guys are so talented. And by the way, again, I
don't think it's emphasized often enough, the incredible work ethic
of all your favorite bands, the amount of sacrifices and
the things that many of us have missed out on
in our life because we rehearsed and rehearsed tour and
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the tour. Now I don't tour anymore, but I still
do gigs as long as I can be home at
night with Shamaine. And that's why we're doing the Michigan
run the last week of August, because I get to
play Lexington, come back to the cabin. Then I play Stagernhawk,
come back to the cabin. Then I played Luddington, come
back to the cabin. Then I play Pawpaw, and then
I come back to the cabin, and then I play
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Freedom Hill and come back to the cabin.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
God, that's Ted Nugent before we let you go. Then
Ted uh looking at just overall big picture. We talked
Damn Yankees. I love Damn Yankees. I'd love to see
you guys get back together for a one night I
don't care. I think you guys are phenomenal. But when
you were in Damn Yankees, you guys did some shows.
I think for the guys, a desert storm. I think
you guys did a whole I think a tour over there,
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at least a one off. I believe that's right, right,
all right, right, Yeah. What is it like when you're
in front of some guys who are defending the country
and you are up on stage, you're playing Don't tread
on Me in the middle of this war? What is
that like to be in that moment?
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Well? Yeah, you know, I've never stumbled to express myself.
Nobody's ever heard Ted Newson talking about Yeah. I wonder
what he meant. But the English language is much too
limited to adequately express the dynamic of performing songs that
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the heroes of the military and their families have already
communicated to us that they mean a lot to them.
And I'm in touch with these heroes. I'm working with
one hundred and four year old Leonard. His name is Leonard,
one hundred and four years old, a survivor of the
Battle of the Bulge. That's what we're going to do
a fundraiser for. I've spent campfires with heroes that survived
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the Baton Death Mound, Normandy Beach Ewajima. These people seek
me out because they hear my interviews where I stand
up for constitutional rights. Because they all dedicate their lives
to fighting and dying for the US Constitution. So whether
it's the Damn Yankees or my band, or or a
jam session or a benefit concert with Night Ranger, every
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musician I know knows that freedom is not free. And
when you see the enthusiasm when I played with Godsmack
out at Camp Pendleton out in California, and by the way,
Godsmack performed Casscrash Fever and Stranglehold absolutely perfect. Maybe guys
were just animals, But when we look out there and
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see every night, every audience is the most important audience.
Every audience is so inspiring. Every audience is just reeking
of love and celebration of the music we've put our
heart and soul into. Now take that to the level
of people that are willing to die for our right
to do this. Josh, the only term I can think
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of is that it's out of body. It's surreal, it's
deep into the spirit world. When you dedicate yourself to
archery and marksmanship, there's a mark arts component, a samurai component,
and we find ourselves in a martial arts, samurai spirit
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music moment when we see those heroes out there, especially
when almost every constant we do for the military and
their families were raising money for them because we owe them,
and it's so damn special. I think I'm expressing it adequately.
I think you get an idea what I'm talking about,
but it really is out of body and an honor
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and a humbling experience to have the US military heroes
and their family go absolutely wild when you play the
songs that they love.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
That's Ted NuGen fiftieth anniversary, A stranglehold. Seven thousand shows.
Maybe close. We're rounding seven thousand shows a whole week
in Michigan. Wraps up with the Michigan Lottery Amphitheater in
Sterling Heights, August thirty first, Ted, Uncle Ted, we appreciate you, brother.
This was awesome. I'd love to do it again anytime.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
Josh. I gotta tell you this wonderful, what a great
conversation we had, and you really hit all the points.
I love you and Doug Bodell and all these people
in rock and roll radio because you really love the music.
And when you when you show in a conversation with
the MotorCity mad Man, the Detroit guitar Boy, how much
you love the music. You know the music, you celebrate
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the music. I love you, Josh in this nice job buddy.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
I love you, Ted Nugent, Thank you Tom.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
Celebrate that stuff.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
Ted. I appreciate you so much, ma'am.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
Back at Josh, that was great man. We should do it.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
Again absolutely anytime.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
Man.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
I love talking with you. Dude. Well, God bless you man,
you too, have a go in, Ted,
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