Thank you RoboCop (and Doug Podell)

Lions get a big win over the Cowboys last night, some new music from Guns and Roses, James visits “his” RoboCop statue, a news outlet did some bad reporting on a dog neglect, the “Doc of Rock” joins us on his final day before retiring telling some amazing stories about his legendary career, and more!

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
All right, welcome in six h five Josh and James.
It's the Joshennis Show. James, how are you today, sir? Oh,
I'm good. I'm good. It was late night last night
watching some football, but it was worth it.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
It was definitely worth Yeah, I got the done.

Speaker 3 (00:18):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (00:19):
I was also just like falling asleep on the couch
watching the game, and then my wife will get pissed, like,
why are you falling asleep? I don't know, because I
get up at five o'clock in the morning, at four
point thirty in the morning every damn.

Speaker 4 (00:30):
Day, start working in the morning when most people are
like alarm might just be starting to go off.

Speaker 1 (00:35):
Correct, So I'm sorry that I'm sitting here like, Yeah,
did I like spill my wine while I was on
the couch because I fell asleep?

Speaker 2 (00:41):
Yeah I did. Maybe that was part of the problem.
But still I don't know, but it was a hell
of a game. Well, you can't have nice things.

Speaker 1 (00:48):
That's exactly why I can't have nice things, among other things.
It could be my debilitating gambling problem, which, by the way,
Oh yeah, it's night positive turn. I thought I would win. Yeah,
with that win, that was a very positive turn. Some
of the plays that were being made by certain players.
I was like, oh, Josh's parlay might be doing really well. Well,

(01:10):
Josh's parlay is certainly taking a positive turn. The biggest
thing was the win. Obviously, getting the win was big.
It's also big for another parlay, which has the Lions
to get to nine wins in another parlay.

Speaker 2 (01:21):
But the playoff thing really helps.

Speaker 1 (01:24):
Saint Brown obviously is getting close to one thousand. Jamo
is already over his seven fifty, so thank.

Speaker 2 (01:30):
You, you got what you needed from him.

Speaker 1 (01:31):
Jamir Gibbs has over one thousand rushing, so I got him.
Golf is at like thirty three hundred yards now, so
he needs about seven hundred more over the next four weeks.
So he needs to average less than two hundred yards.
That's quite doable, so he'll get there. God will Hey
stay healthy? Yeah, stay, I don't need you falling out, bro,

(01:53):
I don't need that, So just hey, stay healthy, Chief.
And then the Lions need to get in, which would
have been virtually impossible, like could not have happened. Had
they lost, they would have been done. So but the
wind keeps them alive. From my parlay, and I know
that that's what's most important to everybody listening today, very
important as it should be.

Speaker 2 (02:12):
So there's that, all right.

Speaker 1 (02:14):
We do have a shineedown tickets to give away today,
so we'll do that. Doug Podell, he is the doctor
of rock and roll. He will be in here on
what is his last days of full time radio personality
until a country station calls him and he's working full
time again. But he'll join us at eight o'clock ish today.
He'll come hang out with us for the last couple

(02:35):
hours of the show and talk about radio and other stuff.

Speaker 2 (02:38):
So the doc will be up here.

Speaker 1 (02:40):
We have to talk about your trip to the Robocops
statue where you are now world famous.

Speaker 2 (02:46):
It was amazing, so we'll get into that.

Speaker 1 (02:48):
Associated press gotcha, so we'll get into that as well.
So we have a lot to do today. Let's get
rocked and loaded. It is Pride Day in Detroit. It's
a victory Priday in Detroit. And won't get your rock
to the little back with the back? Yeah, you know
how I feel about the back.

Speaker 2 (03:10):
I know this rip very well. Ah, something in your mouth.
It's like we're at the strip club. Come down, good, Josh.
It is show sports. Oh, right, How about that game
last night?

Speaker 1 (03:24):
The Lions hung forty four on the Cowboys last night,
forty four to thirty was the final just a thir
I mean, I wouldn't say a thorough ass kicking, although
I mean it was twenty seven to nine early in
the third quarter, but the Cowboys made it interesting. At
one point it was thirty to twenty seven, but the

(03:44):
Lions were able to take control later in the game.
It was almost like watching a whole brand new Lions
team last night compared to the last couple of games.

Speaker 2 (03:53):
Well, they were slinging it, man, they were slinging it.

Speaker 1 (03:55):
Jared had three hundred and nine passing yards and a touchdown.

Speaker 2 (04:00):
Am and Raw was very good.

Speaker 1 (04:01):
He had ninety two receiving, Jamo had ninety six. Jamier
had over one hundred rushing and receiving combined.

Speaker 2 (04:08):
Tesla had a fire last night. Tesla had a tude.

Speaker 1 (04:12):
I mean, and that's without you know, that's without Sam Laporta,
who's a huge point of that as well.

Speaker 2 (04:17):
So that was huge.

Speaker 1 (04:19):
How granted, the Cowboys were able to move the ball.
Part of it is they were trailing, so they threw
the ball a lot. Seedee Lamb got hurt in they
I mean, look, who knows what happens if Lamb doesn't
get hurt, because Lamb was cooking.

Speaker 2 (04:28):
He was one hundred and.

Speaker 1 (04:29):
Twenty one yards and six catches, but he got hurt.

Speaker 2 (04:33):
So when he fell in his arm, he got out.
Like I was in and out of consciousness throughout mostly second.
He never came back. He never came back.

Speaker 1 (04:40):
So and I don't know, I didn't look to see
what actually happened, but I feel like he probably got
a concussion.

Speaker 2 (04:45):
On that play.

Speaker 1 (04:46):
Let's because he fell and he wasn't able to really
catch himself.

Speaker 2 (04:50):
Yeah, he was concussed.

Speaker 1 (04:51):
So I was also in and out of consciousness, and
my wife just bitch, He's like, well, just good a bed.
I'm like, no, I got a stee the end. I
got to know what happens. So but yeah, so he
ended up with a concussion. So then he left the game,
which was a big factor in the game.

Speaker 2 (05:09):
So, look, that's a good win.

Speaker 1 (05:11):
You took on a team that was arguably one of
the hottest teams in the league. They've beaten the two
teams from the Super Bowl a year agoing back to
back weeks. They're coming to your place it was going
to be an uphill climb for them to beat another
good team for the third week in a row. It's
not easy to do, and it didn't happen. Dak turned
the ball over twice. The big one, I think though,
was the one that got the ball rolling in the
second half it's twenty to ninth. There's a bunch of

(05:33):
things that happened in that game that you can't overstate.
Like the Cowboys wanted to get on the board at
the end of the half because they got the ball
to start the second half. So it's seventeen to nine
and you're like, okay, so the Cowboys are going to
try to turn this into a two for one type
of deal.

Speaker 2 (05:46):
Well, then the.

Speaker 1 (05:46):
Lions just go down in the last minute and also
kick a.

Speaker 2 (05:49):
Field goal, undoes what they did.

Speaker 1 (05:51):
Like just little things like that are huge when it
comes to those things at the end of the game.
And it worked out. I mean, it's a huge win.
They're now eight and five, and that keeps you alive. Like,
I don't know, it's hard because I don't know who
you root for this weekend, and the Packers and Bears
I know, Actually here's who you root for.

Speaker 2 (06:09):
I guess you.

Speaker 1 (06:10):
Got to root for the Bears. Well, no, I think
this week you root for the Packers. I think because
the Bears are nine and three the Packers are eight,
three and one.

Speaker 2 (06:20):
If you're trying to win the division, if.

Speaker 1 (06:23):
The goal is to win the division or past one
of these teams for a wildcard, I guess your best
bet is the Bears because the Bears you still play again,
and you've already beaten once, whereas the Packers have beaten you.
So I guess, really you root for the Packers. I
guess it's kind of a weird spot because you look
around the NFC and the West has three teams with
nine wins. You look around the North and there's eight

(06:47):
and nine. Really, nobody else is alive for a wildcard,
and these other divisions, really it's unlikely.

Speaker 2 (06:52):
So it's gonna be one of the two.

Speaker 1 (06:54):
The NFC North or the NFC West will have probably
both or all the wildcards.

Speaker 2 (07:00):
Probably it's very possible.

Speaker 1 (07:02):
So I guess, I mean the Bears you have the
best chance of controlling your own destiny against, so maybe
you root to try to overtake them for a wild card.

Speaker 2 (07:14):
Because if the Bears win this weekend.

Speaker 1 (07:15):
They're two games up on you with four to go,
but I don't think they will. I think the Bears
are finally gonna hit their skin. It's coming because they're
not good, and you will not convince me that the
Bears in their shirtless Jimo gas coach are good.

Speaker 2 (07:27):
They're not.

Speaker 1 (07:28):
They're not good, and they will get theirs. So I
guess that. I mean, the Packers are gonna win this weekend,
So let's go. Packers are gonna be nine three and one,
and at that point the Bears will be nine and four.
You'll control your own destiny against the Bears.

Speaker 2 (07:44):
No matter what it is. You have to try to overtake.

Speaker 1 (07:46):
The Bears for a playoff spot is what it's probably
gonna come down to, whether that be to win the division,
whether that be a wildcard.

Speaker 2 (07:52):
But then you also throw in the fact that you.

Speaker 1 (07:53):
Got Seattle, San Francisco and the Rams, all who have
nine wins. Look, my head hurts, I'm done. It is
like a statistics class, like it's it's absurd. I'm like,
I'm an a labyrinth, like I can't. I feel like
a beautiful mind. I'm seeing numbers everyone. I'm gonna start writing.

Speaker 2 (08:08):
Stuff on like a window. I'm done. Just win your.

Speaker 1 (08:11):
Games and just why you get it on that up
on the wall with all those weird pictures.

Speaker 2 (08:15):
I'm done.

Speaker 1 (08:16):
All those football players, here's what you do. Go win
your games and then see where it goes. How about
that at chips Fall where they may go win your games?
That sports more rock coming up.

Speaker 2 (08:26):
This is the Joshinnish Show on ONEHO.

Speaker 5 (08:29):
Six point seven double ll Z Detroit.

Speaker 2 (08:33):
Be simple, man.

Speaker 1 (08:36):
That's one that a cover version is not better. The
Shine doown version is not better than skinner for our
conversation yesterday Josh Innes show.

Speaker 2 (08:45):
It's w LLZ.

Speaker 1 (08:46):
Doug will be up here with us around eight o'clock
to celebrate his final day as a full time employee.
But I feel like he'll be a loiterer. He'll just
show up randomly, you know, like he'll be like the guy.
He'll be like the dude and the TV show that
drops in, you know, like that the weirdo, like the Buddy,
like the Bolt, like Kramer, like Doug Walk and then
like Doug, what are you doing here?

Speaker 2 (09:07):
Well, it's my studio and I'm just gonna I'm just
gonna see that name.

Speaker 1 (09:12):
It's my name on that production room right there, and
I'm gonna get in there, all right. So let's see here. Oh,
there's new Guns and Roses music. So they finally dropped
the Founder songs. I haven't listened to these songs. I'm
going to assume they're not great, but who knows. Uh,
I'm gonna go into it. I told Casey this yesterday.
I go into everything thinking it's gonna suck. So if
it doesn't, I'm pleasantly surprised. You lower your expectations. So

(09:36):
that way was even if it's just mediocre. Oh wow,
that was much better than I anticipated. That's the thing
in life, man, if you lower your expectations and things,
you're never disappointed. Maybe it's a crappy way to look
at things. That's why I never go into things thinking
they're gonna work out, because when they do, you're like
they worked out.

Speaker 2 (09:53):
I didn't think they would.

Speaker 1 (09:54):
So there's two new Guns and Roses songs. One is
called Atlas and one is called Nothing. Let's see here.
This is at Las. Let's listen to a little bit
of this, try and jog.

Speaker 2 (10:16):
Of the things I said, just one, I'm not saying go.

Speaker 1 (10:24):
Sad.

Speaker 6 (10:26):
So if you manage to weeked scaring. So again, well, Mason.

Speaker 1 (10:58):
When said, I've had enough of that one, all right?

(11:21):
So that was Atlas is what that's called. I'm shocked
that we weren't forced to play one of these songs
at the top of every hour. A lot of times
we'll do that, Like I'll come to work on a
day We're like, hey, Nancy Wilson of Heart has a
new song, and I'm like, okay, so what does that mean. Well,
top of every hour we're hearing Nancy Wilson's new song.
Like in Nashville, that was always the case. He'd be like, hey,

(11:41):
there's a new Bruce Springsteen and Mellencamp song. I'm like,
I don't want to hear that, and they're like, well,
you're gonna have to hear it at the top.

Speaker 2 (11:51):
Of every hour. Chief. And then remember, so that was
called Atlas. Is the name of that song. So that
is that one.

Speaker 1 (12:03):
And then there's another one. Let's see here. This one
is called nothing Both. This song has an apostrophe at
the end, so it's like a little twang. I says,
this is nothing, not nothing, nothing. Let's see if it's
better than Atlas. No, let's find and by the way,

(12:28):
I'm not here to bang on on guns n' roses
or anybody want to keep putting out new music, put
out new music, but here's my opinion on artists that
put out new music, Like I'll give you this. So
I went to see def Leppard I guess a year
and a half or so ago. They were on a
stadium tour with Journey and I went to see them
in Saint Louis at the ballpark there, and def Leppard,

(12:49):
I think is very good. Def Leppard has one thousand hits.
What I don't need from def Leopard is for def
Leopard in the middle of those one thousand.

Speaker 2 (12:58):
Hits to go, oh, we got you here.

Speaker 1 (13:00):
We got a new album coming out that's like the
ultimate boner killer, right like that that's like reaching between
a woman's.

Speaker 2 (13:07):
Legs and you're like, WHOA, that's not what I thought
was gonna be there. I have a saus what is
happening here? That's kind of what that's like.

Speaker 3 (13:16):
Like.

Speaker 1 (13:16):
I don't know if I want to say that to
def Leppard space, but if I had the opportunity of hey,
listen Joe Ellie and have a scene, let me tell
you when I was at your show and you guys
were rocking and you were doing like rock of ages
and love bites, and I'm like yeah, and then you
said I felt as I got a new song we
want to play. Phil, I was like, it was like
when you reach down between someone's legs and it turns
out to be an anatomy that you didn't expect it

(13:37):
to be. You get in what I'm saying here, Joe,
But that's it's the biggest boner killer, Like it is
the absolute worst. Like if you're a band that's only
got a handful of hits, like you know, you're not
gonna get every you're gonna get every hit from that band,
but you're gonna get a bunch of stuff you don't
know to fill up the show unless you're like a
die hard, right, So like if you go I don't know,
like if you go see Fountains of One, well, here's

(14:01):
what you're gonna get. You're gonna get Stacy's Mom and
ten songs you've never heard before. You know that going
in with def Leppard, you're gonna get one thousand hits.
They've got like two of the biggest albums in the
history of music. That's enough on its own. I don't
need you playing some song that's like, hey, this is
a new song, why don't you go down alone Sportify.

Speaker 2 (14:23):
I'm like, no, I don't want that. Nobody there for
the new stuff.

Speaker 1 (14:29):
Do you see anybody who's young enough in here to
care about any new stuff you're doing?

Speaker 2 (14:33):
You like, half the people here don't know what Spotify is.

Speaker 1 (14:35):
Half the people in here are looking like the drummer,
missing limbs and stuff.

Speaker 2 (14:39):
They don't care. They're not here for.

Speaker 1 (14:41):
This is my news, Sayano, and they're like, no, here's
what we want from.

Speaker 2 (14:45):
You, chief. What we want is love bites. What we
want is rocket, What we want is all that.

Speaker 1 (14:50):
We want, all the goods at little poor, some sugar
on me, Liy'll make love like a man like. That's
what we're here for. We're not here for new music.
That would be my advice to these people. I don't
want to tell you to stop being creative, but what
I will tell you is like, ease back on the
being creative and just sing.

Speaker 2 (15:06):
The crap we already know. Thank you.

Speaker 1 (15:08):
So all that said, here's the other Guns N' Roses
song that they just put out called Nothing.

Speaker 2 (15:30):
It's not that I could see.

Speaker 1 (15:34):
It would be not.

Speaker 2 (15:38):
Would you it's not that see, it would be would you.

Speaker 7 (16:00):
Stop im?

Speaker 2 (16:14):
And it didn't go anywhere like I thought we were
about to go somewhere. Are we going somewhere?

Speaker 1 (16:21):
I assume it has to you, you know how, I'd
label this song just meandering. I hate songs that go nowhere,
that just kind of exist, like, are we gonna get
like some heavy licks in here, We're gonna get a
little slash in here, We're gonna like, where's it going?

Speaker 2 (16:40):
Take me somewhere?

Speaker 1 (16:47):
Like this is where it feels like we should be
getting somewhere, Like this has to culminate in something.

Speaker 2 (16:51):
Come on, guys, this might be it. Come on, go, go,
come on go. You know what it feels like, I

(17:22):
want welcome.

Speaker 1 (17:23):
I just feels like you're putting out something just to
say you put out something and maybe people will download
it because you're Guns N'roses.

Speaker 2 (17:29):
That's a few extra books. If somebody the album at
your show. That doesn't feel like anything to me, that's
just I mean, that's a fart in the wind to me.

Speaker 1 (17:37):
But hey, the good news is Guns n' Roses is
touring and I will go see guns n' Roses if
give an opportunity to see them. But again a lesson
from Uncle Josh here, don't play either one of those
songs in your concert when you're hitting the road next year.

Speaker 2 (17:51):
Nobody wants to be like, you know, you're rocking out.

Speaker 1 (17:53):
You just heart like mister Brownstone, and they're like what
on and you're like yeah, and then the guy gets
up thered bets out and you're like, no, for the
love of Christ, no, do not sing that damn song.

Speaker 2 (18:08):
All right, So there you go. That is new Guns
n' Roses. And now we never have to listen to
that again. And this is the white.

Speaker 1 (18:14):
Stripes on Detroit's wheels one on six point seven y
Troit's wheels at a seven nation army as Josh and
James the Josh Andnis Show. All right, So we'll get
back into the Lions game.

Speaker 2 (18:25):
That is a big win. That saved the season.

Speaker 1 (18:27):
It saved my parlay far more importantly, so we got
that James went out to the RoboCop statue his statue,
my statue and has made national news for being a dummy.
So the Associated Press you were in the news in
India apparently so.

Speaker 2 (18:43):
In India today pick the story India today.

Speaker 1 (18:47):
So James is full on Bollywood, so you've gone Bollywood
on us wool.

Speaker 2 (18:52):
So we'll get into that.

Speaker 1 (18:52):
We got a bunch of do and then the doc's
gonna be up here around eight o'clock as we celebrate
his last full day as.

Speaker 2 (18:58):
A full time rate dude. He's only been doing it
for fifty years. Jeez, Doug, go home, all right, So
we'll get into all that Josh Ennis Show.

Speaker 5 (19:06):
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Speaker 2 (19:11):
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Speaker 5 (19:15):
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Speaker 1 (19:20):
And that song Every Rose Has Its Thorn I believe
was about Brett Michaels being cheated on. It's amazing the
number of these hair metal dudes from the eighties that
got cheated on and wrote songs about it, Like what
bitch would screw around on Brett Michaels.

Speaker 2 (19:38):
I don't know, but I feel like he's got a
lot of bitches, you know what. He very well might,
but you know what, the one.

Speaker 1 (19:44):
Special one that he had a little special spot in
his heart for.

Speaker 2 (19:47):
She stepped out yep. Well, it's like warrant.

Speaker 1 (19:50):
I saw red was a song about like Janey Lane
just walking in on his chick with some dude.

Speaker 2 (19:55):
I'm like, who screws around on Janey Lane? Rest in power?

Speaker 8 (19:58):
King?

Speaker 3 (19:59):
But who? Like?

Speaker 1 (20:00):
Who would do such a thing? Is what I would
ask any who. I'm sure there are other issues in
your life that.

Speaker 4 (20:06):
Forty chicks that can't stand their their men being away
for seven wins out of the year.

Speaker 1 (20:10):
Well, you know what I would tell them to deal
with it, except the fact that he's probably gonna step
out on you because.

Speaker 2 (20:15):
He's famous, but you accept it. How many chicks are
they banging on the road while there the ladies are
at home? Details, my friend, details, But you know what
they say, I'll tell you what they actually say. Hold on,
of course it's a big boy. Well I'm glad I
got a big boy or else they do say that,

(20:35):
but I did hit the wrong button. I thought you're
going to.

Speaker 1 (20:41):
Rockers, got a soft side or something like that. Thought
I'd try to play that. Yeah, But for whatever reason,
the big boy it fits. It's sort of fit my
bad anyway. So that said, it is time for sports
and the Lions were a forty four to thirty victor
over the Cowboys.

Speaker 2 (21:00):
Night needed it.

Speaker 1 (21:01):
We needed it for the season, we needed it for
the parlay, and now we're alive. Jamir Gibbs was great,
Jared Golf was great, Williams was great, Amen Ra was great.

Speaker 2 (21:12):
They were all great.

Speaker 1 (21:13):
The defense wasn't great, but it was good enough, right.
I mean, they gave up nearly four hundred passing yards
to Dak Prescott, so whatever, but still it doesn't matter.
What matters is they didn't enough to keep us in
the lead. They did enough to keep us in the lead.
So a forty four to thirty victory. And as we
talked about earlier, I don't know who the hell you
want to win, and the Packers and the Bears really

(21:34):
just win all your games, or win as many of
them as you can and figure it out. Because if
we're being fair, you play the Rams next week, I
don't expect you to go to LA and beat the Rams.
Real talk like Matt Stafford and those guys are really
freaking good. But they're also coming off a loss to
the Panthers, so they can lose games. They've lost to
the Eagles, they've lost I think two of their losses

(21:54):
were to teams that were super they were super heavy
favorites against and loss, so they can be beat and
think they're really freaking good.

Speaker 2 (22:01):
But go beat them.

Speaker 1 (22:02):
And even if you don't win that game, the season's
not over. I mean, it's close to a must win,
but it's not a total must.

Speaker 2 (22:08):
Win still, and it's still one of those really really
really really really prefer to win.

Speaker 1 (22:12):
Correct But because you won this, the season's not on
life support anymore. But you gotta out of the last four.
You gotta at least win three of them, win them all.
And you're not thinking, no doubt gonna get in, So
go bring it, gott to bring it. Also, what happened
with that safety last night, like that that played with
the safety was like, what is a safety? All of
a sudden, safeties are now, like, you know, is it

(22:33):
a catch type of plays? Like we don't know what
a catch is, and we don't know what a safety is.
When you tackle a guy with both of his feet
in the end zone, when you tackle him and his
body ends up three yards deep in the end zone,
how is that not a safety? That doesn't make any
sense to me. That is stupid. And then you got
one of the refs on TV. That's like, yeah, that's
gonna that look like it looks like a part of
the ball broke the plane, so that's gonna be a safety.

(22:56):
Then the dufus refs come out and they're like, no,
just kidding, it's not.

Speaker 2 (22:59):
A safety, Like what are we doing?

Speaker 1 (23:02):
Like with my own eyes, I watched you tackle the
quarterback with his entire body laying in the end zone.

Speaker 2 (23:08):
And that's not a safety? What are we doing? And
it's no sense, strange call. It was a bad call.

Speaker 1 (23:15):
It's embarrassing, Like how how are we at a point
in life where like you look at a play and
a guy gets just walloped in the end zone and
it's like, well, no, part of the ball broke the plane.
Therefore it's it's not a safety. Like, no, it's a safety.

Speaker 2 (23:28):
I have eyes. I can see that it was a
safety of bums any who.

Speaker 1 (23:34):
So still I get that, but I cannot ignore in
victory what I would otherwise not ignore and defeat you
and get that. I cannot ignore inemptitude from officials, and
that is what we saw.

Speaker 2 (23:46):
I feel like we see a lot. We've been seeing
that for years.

Speaker 1 (23:50):
Yes, but that doesn't make me any less angry about it.

Speaker 2 (23:53):
I get it again.

Speaker 1 (23:53):
It was a terrible I don't understand. Just explain to
me what a safety is.

Speaker 2 (23:57):
I don't get it.

Speaker 1 (23:59):
Like Homeboys, the whole body was in the end zone.
And while it didn't cost them the game, what if
it would have. Oh, then you'd be like, oh my god,
I can't believe they blew the safety. So I will
rip them as if we won or we lost. I
get it, go for it all right. So the Robocops
statue is up. Oh my god, it's a glorious piece
of art. And James went over because it's I mean,
it's your statue. It is my statue. Hey, I contributed

(24:21):
to that kick starter. I'm taking claim of what is
rightfully mine. And so mister James over here has made
national news with the Associated Press. He was interviewed by
the Associated Press yesterday about his statue.

Speaker 2 (24:35):
They thought I was a nut. Well, I don't blame them.

Speaker 1 (24:39):
So you're gonna hear James being interviewed by the Associated Press.
After you hear disturbed on Detroit's wheels, you feel that
one O six point seven Detroit's wheels. Josh had to
show Josh and James this morning. So it was a
very significant day for James yesterday because the Robocops statue.

Speaker 2 (24:57):
After years of fifty long years waiting.

Speaker 1 (25:02):
After fifteen long years of waiting, we finally have the
RoboCop statue, and all that money I donated, it's finally
paid off. And James is a big owner of this,
a big game. I mean, you funded it. You put
up a hundred bucks one bucks. So we're gonna play
some of this audio. So it just worked out that
when you went over there to screw around yesterday, the
Associated Press out there getting broll trying to talk to people,

(25:25):
kind of the same thing we were doing, except not
with the weird angle of me claiming, you know, ownership
of the big beautiful bronze bastard. So and this made
national news because this was with the Associated Press.

Speaker 4 (25:38):
A phone call from somebody who was just like, hey,
got a weird question. Were you out trolling the Associated Press?
The damic Well, yes, I was. Thank you for know yes,
thank you for bringing it to my attention.

Speaker 1 (25:49):
So here's the Associated Press video and then we'll read
some of the quotes that didn't make this video, because
some of the quotes from you that didn't make the
video were pretty electric and then we'll hear some others
because you were wearing your your little glimb of meta glasses.
We did live on the wheels page yesterday. All right,
So here we go.

Speaker 2 (26:05):
It starts.

Speaker 1 (26:05):
The story starts with Jim Tuscano, who is the owner
of Free Age Film Production Company.

Speaker 2 (26:11):
And that's where the statue is.

Speaker 1 (26:13):
Red side, the owner of the building. And that's where
the statue has been installed.

Speaker 8 (26:16):
All right, So here we go, right outside our door
on our patio, it's now public.

Speaker 2 (26:21):
Is the Robocops statue. It's eleven foot tall. Yeah.

Speaker 8 (26:26):
As a Rocky fan and a fan of the Rocky statue,
it's cool to have our own statue here in Detroit.

Speaker 1 (26:32):
Well, I don't know that this is ever going to
have the same significance as the Rocky statue.

Speaker 2 (26:37):
I don't say it is just as significant. All right. Well, listen, I.

Speaker 1 (26:40):
Understand that you feel that way because you put one
hundred dollars towards the Robocops statue. This might be the
most significant statue in the city of Detroit. I don't
care about the fist, I don't care about the Barry Sanders.
I'm all about this Robocops statue. See when I moved. Well,
I went to Philly for a job interview, and I
got into town. The boss from this radio station picks
me up in His first question is, Hey, you want

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to go run the Rocky Steps. I'm like, yes, That's
all I've ever wanted to do. This is the biggest
moment of my life. I don't know if when people
are flying into Detroit for a job interview, the guy
picks him up and goes, Hey, you.

Speaker 2 (27:12):
Want to go see the RoboCop. I don't think that's
gonna happen.

Speaker 1 (27:15):
I need to get a job driving people from the
airport to the job, and I'm going to take them
to the robo cop statue.

Speaker 2 (27:20):
Forced them to go like, do you want to see it? No,
I don't. Hey, it's on the way. It's on the way.
And then I found out last night they finally erected it.

Speaker 4 (27:30):
And now I'm here to see this big, beautiful bronze
piece of art.

Speaker 1 (27:35):
That's James, this beautiful bronze piece of arts. Like, what
a piece of cinematic history to represent.

Speaker 2 (27:44):
The city of Detroit. Hell yeah, high five?

Speaker 1 (27:51):
Like people would come up like, are you a big
fan of the roble Coop movies?

Speaker 2 (27:54):
Like yeah, I'm hell yeah, give me a high five
P And I was like, oh, I was like the
rain Man of RoboCop. But I didn't have any like
rain Man like facts, like like you're like a savant
with music, sure soundtracks and stuff like I didn't have
that like that knowledge at my disposal, Like I didn't
do any like research.

Speaker 4 (28:14):
You try to come up with funny stuff, so I know,
like your move creep, you know, and like yeah, the
scene where RoboCop shoots the guy in the in the wiener,
you know, So that's those are the two things I
kept bringing up with everybody that's there.

Speaker 2 (28:28):
Oh God, And that was the point of this.

Speaker 1 (28:30):
We wanted you to go over and if there was
anybody over there, we wanted you to explain to them
that you own this statue.

Speaker 2 (28:36):
Let's continue.

Speaker 1 (28:37):
Oh, because he's like a cyborg crime fighter, you know.
And then the movie is a futuristic Detroit. He's there
at to save the city, keep the city safe. So
it's like a great representation of safety and keeping the
city safe from crime and all that bad stuff, all
that bad stuff. All of a sudden, you just sound
like a Michigander. Like you sound like a dupe. It
is like like and you know all that bad stuff,

(28:59):
that bad st all that all of a sudden you sound.

Speaker 2 (29:01):
Like you're from Michigan. He's like, some of the hope.
This is the Associated Press, this is the AP.

Speaker 1 (29:10):
They send somebody out to film this statue, and you
happened to be there. Like it worked out much better
than we could have thought. I know, we just thought
you were gonna go talk to some jamokes out there
and be like, I own this statue. No, you up
on the Associated Press.

Speaker 8 (29:24):
I think it's a good fit for the city because, uh,
you know, the film took place in Detroit enough.

Speaker 1 (29:31):
Look I don't know who that who is that the
guy that's the guy that owns the production studio or
the production house at the outside, gotcha?

Speaker 2 (29:37):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (29:38):
I think it's good for here because you know, the
movie took place here. So I thought that was a
good thing.

Speaker 8 (29:42):
And it's just a fun thing that that a lot
of people worked really hard to bring to life, and uh,
it's fun to have.

Speaker 1 (29:49):
So I wish you would have been able to interject
I worked the hardest. Yeah, excuse me, sir, of our
own sort of in Detroit. You know, a unique statue
that is, you know, just a character in a film,
you know something that.

Speaker 2 (30:02):
I enjoyed the break.

Speaker 1 (30:03):
We got our own unique statue that you know, a
character in a film from that from that film in
the eighties, topic them how how much of it, like
assessmol Detroit was and then need a cyborg crime fighter
to clean it up.

Speaker 2 (30:15):
Now this is my favorite part.

Speaker 1 (30:17):
They show you at the end standing next to the
statue and you salute the statue.

Speaker 2 (30:23):
So you're on video saluted.

Speaker 1 (30:25):
This is like minutes. This is like well after the
interview and like, but the guy was still like taking film,
He's filming other people. So I'm just clowning around the
statue the whole time talking to people. I'm like complimenting
the robo cops dumper. I'm pointing out some of the
details and asking people, oh, do you think this is
like regular size or is this like a larger size?

(30:46):
And they're like, we think it's larger. Oh yeah, I
would say it's larger too.

Speaker 2 (30:50):
Do you think it's this life size or larger?

Speaker 1 (30:53):
So you salute RoboCop and this is the best You
salute him and you say this, well, not.

Speaker 2 (31:01):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (31:04):
I can't believe that made the video. I didn't realize
he was actually like recording audio. It's like, well, maybe
they'll put some b roll over me talking and they'll
just give me saluting him, you know. But no, man,
he put the audio in me thanking RoboCop.

Speaker 9 (31:19):
Go RoboCop. Thank you, pat robo Cop, thank you. So
do you think he thought you were special?

Speaker 2 (31:28):
I think so.

Speaker 1 (31:30):
That was the vibe I was getting from the people
that were there, because I immediately just would run up
to everybody like, hey.

Speaker 2 (31:35):
This is my statue. I own it. I own point
zero three eight percent of the statue I donated. This
is mine.

Speaker 1 (31:42):
Don't you think it looks great? I'm like, don't get
too close. We don't want to get any extra petina.

Speaker 2 (31:47):
On that bronze. But I think the other thing I
loved the most about this is.

Speaker 1 (31:53):
Is that in the video they label you as James Campbell,
Robocops statue.

Speaker 2 (31:58):
Donor, like I'm the one that donated the whole statue.
I love it, But then I'm reading the AP story.

Speaker 1 (32:08):
On Thursday, James Campbell approached the statue and told three
picture tikers, I own.

Speaker 2 (32:15):
I own this. Do you guys know that? Hey, man,
I got the assignment.

Speaker 1 (32:21):
I ran with it because I know you're like, hey,
you got to tell me the owner man like you
got it. I will make sure they know that it
is my statue, and I wanted to make it abundantly
clear that this was my statue.

Speaker 2 (32:35):
I think my favorite thing.

Speaker 1 (32:36):
My favorite thing because in the story says on Thursday,
James Campbell approached the statue and told three picture takers
I own this gut. But then the next line, I
just remember you're saying, I am this the next line,
Campbell's city donated one hundred dollars.

Speaker 2 (32:56):
Campbell City donated one hundred dollars.

Speaker 1 (32:58):
To the original kicks Ard campaign over a decade ago,
which makes him quote a point zero three to eight percent.

Speaker 7 (33:09):
Hey, at least their report is accurate. It's all those
things are. Oh my god, show me where I'm wrong.
Oh God, quote from Jason Campbell. I'm here to see
this big, beautiful Brons piece of art. What a piece
of cinematic history to represent the city of Detroit. It's

(33:31):
so much better in print because you can see the
question like you just answering something.

Speaker 1 (33:37):
The question asked why RoboCop is an appropriate symbol for
the city. Campbell said quote. He's a cyborg crime fighter
in the movie, in the futuristic Detroit. He's there to
save the city. He's a symbol of hope, similar hope.

(34:02):
I was layering it on like I was trying to
put out extra thick rubble cop.

Speaker 2 (34:08):
Thank you with a salute. All right, So you have
videos that what videos are up on the Facebook.

Speaker 4 (34:16):
So right now the Facebook page, we have a link
to the AP story that you just heard, and I'm
working on cutting up video from the live that's available
on the Wheels Facebook page. I'm gonna cut it up
to where we can just see some of the interactions
and hear the stuff that you couldn't hear.

Speaker 2 (34:33):
We need to get the video from the AP of
you saluting this statue. Oh, Rubo, I got it. Thank you.
That's so good.

Speaker 1 (34:45):
I can't believe that that made it. That was chef's
kiss to the type of stuff that I do again
my favorite thing. And then I know we got other stuff.
On Thursday, James Campbell approached the statue and told three picture.

Speaker 2 (34:59):
Takers, I own this. Do you guys know that? This
is a matter of factly telling everybody, Hey, I own that.
Do you know that I own it, followed by Campbell
said he donated one hundred. They looked at me like
I was a total nut, and I'm like, yeah, I
donated to the day. I'm a point zero three eight

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percent ownership. All right, all right, so all right, we.

Speaker 1 (35:23):
Got to move on, but we will have the doc.
Doug Podell will be up here around eight o'clock. It's
his last day making full time radio until he decides
to come back and play polka, which he hadn't done
that yet, so I feel like it could happen.

Speaker 2 (35:36):
It's the Josh Ennis Show. Stay there.

Speaker 1 (35:38):
Hey, all right, I just posted that video by the way,
just a quick little snippet at the end of that
ap story of James saluting RoboCop. So go to the
station and not the station facebook page. That's where they
hate this.

Speaker 2 (35:50):
Go to the I don't want to go there. If
you like the show.

Speaker 1 (35:52):
That's not a safe space for you. Go to the
Josh Ennis Show Facebook page and check that out and
you can see James. It's so good as it's like,
it's not just a video of you doing this. It's
a video that the Associated Press posted of.

Speaker 10 (36:06):
You doing this.

Speaker 2 (36:07):
Yes, legitimate, like under the assumption that you're like, I'm
legit with this. This is how I feel, So do that.
But here's one for you.

Speaker 1 (36:17):
It's a it's a sad story, but the headline is
like you think, so dog found frozen to death at
Detroit Holme after being allegedly neglected.

Speaker 2 (36:28):
Oh wow, I think then the neglect is obvious.

Speaker 1 (36:34):
I feel pretty safe saying that the dog that froze
to death was not allegedly neglected. I feel pretty confident
that the dog was neglected. Like, I don't know why
we need to play it safe here and put allegedly
in the headline it was allegedly neglected. Noes to death
is neglected. There there I said it like this, I

(36:58):
look like I could be ahead line rider for these people. Hey,
dog frozen to death, neglected by people who should be
shot to death. That's what the headlines should say. Like,
I'm not a big believer in a lot Like I'm
not like an activist or.

Speaker 2 (37:12):
Anything like that.

Speaker 1 (37:13):
That's not really my mo you know, Like I'm sort
of passive in a lot of stuff, like, hey, you
want to help people, help them? If you don't, you don't,
Like I don't get behind a lot of stuff, right,
I'm just kind of a passive onlooker. That's kind of
how I am. I have a lot of opinions, but
I'm sort of a passive onlooker. But when it comes
to people who mistreat animals, like especially dogs, right, and

(37:33):
you just let a dog freeze to death, I think
you should be shot. There is no other like, I
don't care, I don't whoever that person was that left
the dog out in the ten degree weather to let
this dog allegedly neglected this dog and let it freeze
to death, that person should have their brains splattered on
the wall. They should be in front of a firing squad.

(37:56):
They should be beheaded. Again, there are very few things
I'm that super passionate about. Again, I just like to
make fun of things. That you left a dog outside
in Detroit and it froze to death, you should be shot.

Speaker 2 (38:09):
We need RoboCop. Robo cop, get to it.

Speaker 1 (38:14):
RoboCop would have taken care of the bastards that left
this dog that you know allegedly neglected.

Speaker 2 (38:20):
You would have got that dog justice.

Speaker 1 (38:21):
He would have allegedly neglected again allegedly. Like I understand
what you have to do when you write these headlines
these people. These people don't care about that anymore. They
don't care like headlines are so salacious and dumb and
clickbaiting now anyways, if they care about whether or not
it's allegedly like I don't care if it was by
it like, oops, I forgot my dog was outside, right,

(38:41):
the dog was neglected.

Speaker 2 (38:44):
The dog was left outside and froze to death.

Speaker 1 (38:47):
I can't think of a less humane way for a
dog to die than to be outside freezing to death.

Speaker 2 (38:53):
It's like those videos with the Sarah McLaughlin song. It's now.

Speaker 1 (38:57):
Now what you've done is now you're making me even sadder,
you son of a bitch. Just now what you've done.
Now you've done it, and you're gonna find it in
the arms of the angel.

Speaker 2 (39:05):
And you've done this.

Speaker 1 (39:06):
All I wanted to talk about is the dumb news
people and how stupid they are. Now what you've done
is you've taken it down a different path that I'm
not a fan of.

Speaker 2 (39:14):
Now you've ruined it for me. Now it's all I'm
thinking about now, And now I'm super sad. I'm sorry.
We were having a good time talking about RoboCop.

Speaker 1 (39:23):
Thank you, and the dumb newspeople who say a frozen
dog in Detroit was allegedly neglected.

Speaker 2 (39:29):
And you're like, hey would go to Luke. Sir McLaughlan said,
Animal Commercial, screw you, you monster, I hate you. There,
I said it. Someone had to say it. You're the
worst man. They're using the situations like this to raise money.
They should.

Speaker 1 (39:42):
That's one thing I'm going to try to do is
get to involve with some of these dog charities here locally.

Speaker 2 (39:47):
Because I'm a big I'm a big lover of dogs.
I wish I had like ten of them. I have one.

Speaker 1 (39:51):
I think my dog wishes we had more dogs because
I think he's lonely. And see, we've never lived in
an area with him, and we've only had him for
about a year. But like we live basically an Antarctica
right now. So it's hard for a dog to get
out in Antarctica because it's cold, it's gnarly out there, so.

Speaker 2 (40:06):
He can only stay. So I think he's developed like
a seasonal depression dog. Does that happen? I believe so.

Speaker 4 (40:12):
I think I've seen news stories where they say, like
your dog could be suffering from seasonal depress I think my.

Speaker 1 (40:15):
Dog has seasonal depression, Right, I get one of those
red lights. Well, yeah, I guess dog gets red light therapy.
Well he needs something, because I think what's happened is
because we used to walk for five hours a day,
Like I'd get off of work, I'd go pick him up.
We'd walk for hours and hours and hours, and that
was how he did things. Now I think what's happening
with my dog is because we can't stay out as

(40:36):
long as it's ten degrees and it's miserably cold and
it's not good.

Speaker 2 (40:39):
And it's also like I don't.

Speaker 1 (40:40):
Know how long he can stay out, Like I don't
know what he can tolerate or not.

Speaker 2 (40:43):
I'm not a dog.

Speaker 1 (40:43):
I can't talk with him, so all I can do
is assume, like maybe he's cold now, so let's stop
the walk.

Speaker 2 (40:48):
So I'm like chat gpten stuff. Not at work, iHeart,
but I'm like chat.

Speaker 1 (40:53):
Gpteen things, trying to figure out like how long my
dog can stay out when it's twenty five degrees and
thirty degrees and thirty two degrees? How long can it
be safe without him getting frost bitten or whatever? But like,
my dog has seasonal depression. He just lays around all
day like you know, I miss the day's dad, and
we'd go around and walk for six hours a day
and I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (41:12):
We're living in a snow globe. It's like this snow
will not melt for like months.

Speaker 1 (41:17):
We're like this is I don't understand how people don't
get more depressed.

Speaker 2 (41:20):
It's kind of like the shining. My dog is living
the shining.

Speaker 1 (41:24):
My dog is like trapped in the house all work
and no play makes ross a dull dog. Like he's
just sitting in the house all day. It's not gonna
be long until he kills us. All oh wow, that's
what's gonna happen. My dog is going to kill us
all because he's gonna go crazy, Like are there any
It's like, yes, he will kill us. Like one night
we will go to sleep and we will not wake

(41:44):
up the next day because my dog will have eaten
us because he's gone mad sitting in the house all day.
This poor guy who's used to five hours outside walking, running, whatever,
and now he's like stuck in sis. I'm like cross,
I can't talk to you, I can't communicate with you,
so I don't know are your paws cold? Are you freezing?
Are you enjoying this?

Speaker 2 (42:04):
Talk? Give me a sign?

Speaker 1 (42:06):
And then, like every now and then, he'll hobble and
I'm like, oh, just I guess he wants to go inside.
But no, it's just a piece of like an ice
or like a piece of you know, ice melt in
his paw. So I'm like, just talk to me, Ross,
let me know what you want from me. Do you
want to stay out here longer?

Speaker 2 (42:21):
No? Because I don't. It's so cold? What are we doing?

Speaker 1 (42:26):
The weather has broken me so again, my dog is
going through seasonal depression, if you know. I mean, look,
if you've lived here for any extended period of time,
I imagine your dogs go through seasonal depression too. Text
text the word Josh in your message to five one
eight eight one.

Speaker 2 (42:40):
Am I wrong on this?

Speaker 1 (42:42):
I'd like to know help me out here. Do dogs
go through seasonal depression?

Speaker 2 (42:46):
And do you see it in your dogs?

Speaker 5 (42:47):
Here?

Speaker 2 (42:48):
My dog would have really been depressed had the Lions
lost last night. So at least we got the dumb but.

Speaker 1 (42:53):
He's just miserably. It just seems so sad with this
cold ass weather. Pozzy, Now it's mo Mom coming home.
One of six point seven Detroit's wheels, Josh in his shoe?

Speaker 2 (43:04):
What's going on? It's Josh and James today. Hello, all right,
so what we got coming up here is we're gonna
have the dock of Rock, big deal.

Speaker 1 (43:13):
Today would have been Jack Russell's birthday, he of course
of the band Great White.

Speaker 2 (43:18):
Now Great White?

Speaker 1 (43:19):
Was it Great White that had the fire in like
Rhode Island that killed all those don't I don't want
to make light of, you know, people dying in a fire,
because that also sounds like a horrible way to go.
But can you imagine like you make it to heaven
and you're like you get up there and you're like,
how did you die?

Speaker 2 (43:36):
Like, well, you know, I was in a car crash
or like, oh I was in war and you know I.

Speaker 1 (43:40):
Was taken out by the Japanese or something, you know,
in World War Two, And they're like, how did you die?

Speaker 3 (43:45):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (43:45):
I burned to death at a Great White concert. They're like,
excuse me, pardon me again? Yeah, yeah, I went to
see you, not even really Great White. It was Jack
Russell's Great White and uh yeah we burned to death there, Yeah,
in a club. It really kind of sucked, like, uh,
like was like you couldn't, you know, go see Winger
that night or something like no, no, no, no, no,

(44:07):
nobody else in town, and it's just got to be
a weird way to go, you know, just like you know,
like there's people that got like those people that got
trampled at the Who concert there at least like, well,
we were going to see the Who, you know, like
all time legendary rock band, so like, yeah, we got
trampled and we died at the Who concert. But like
we died at the Who concert, you know, we were
there to see a little Bob O'Reilly. We were there
to see you know, Pete Townsend And oh, how did

(44:30):
you guys die?

Speaker 2 (44:31):
Well, it was when you died.

Speaker 1 (44:33):
Did you see Great White like in like nineteen eighty nine,
like in their heyday? No, no, no, this was like
twenty ten ish, so there were no original members of
Great White. So I died in a fire seeing members
of Great White that aren't even like real members of
Great White.

Speaker 2 (44:48):
That's how I went out, And they're doing a once
spin toy shy and and that's it.

Speaker 1 (44:53):
I had no idea that Jack White was dead, like
real talking, just saw his name pop up like on
his birthday go I did not know that Hustl.

Speaker 2 (45:00):
Sorry, not Jack White. Jack White still alive. Jack White is.

Speaker 1 (45:05):
Very much alive. Jack Russell of Great White is in
fact dead. I guess he died a couple years ago.

Speaker 2 (45:12):
Last year.

Speaker 1 (45:12):
I had no idea that he was dead. I guess
I should have known that White News some of those
other Great White songs.

Speaker 2 (45:20):
Rock Me, is that Great White? That's a good one.
Miss the Bone?

Speaker 1 (45:25):
Is that a Great White song? To Save Your Love
is a banger? Yes, I forgot that was great Great White.
That's one of those that's like a power ballady type song.
To save your Love. Man, that's a good one. I
feel like Doug would probably have some sort of story
about Jack Russell.

Speaker 5 (45:43):
Oh, I can't like Well, I was a Pall Bear
at jackrus Jack Russell.

Speaker 2 (45:50):
You're not gonna believe it, but I was Paul Bear
at the at the funeral zone. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (45:55):
But Save Your Love is an absolute stone cold, just
hair metal.

Speaker 2 (46:02):
Power ballad banger that just slaps you in the face.

Speaker 1 (46:08):
But one's bitten twice shy is like when you think
of Great White, that's like what everybody would know. Rock Me.

Speaker 2 (46:13):
I would argue that rock me is just as good
as One's Bitten twice shy. But anyway, there you go.
So news of the day. Jack White very much alive.

Speaker 1 (46:25):
Jack Russell of Great White very much dead and has
been for a little while, at least over a year.
Those people that went to the Great White Show and
died also still dead. Okay, now that we've clarified all that,
Actually I take it back. I don't really like this song.
I think it's too slow, too slow. I think that
Save Your Love is a little too slow for my

(46:46):
like it.

Speaker 4 (46:46):
You know, Save your Love and Save All Your Love's
got to be two different songs.

Speaker 2 (46:50):
No, this is the same. This is the song Save
All Your Love. It's the same song Google has elicited
is two separate songs. This is just I think it's
just called Savior. Anyway.

Speaker 1 (47:00):
Yeah, the song's too slow. It just gets into it
too slow. As it turns out, I'm not a Great
White guy.

Speaker 2 (47:05):
There you go, I said it. I'm so sorry.

Speaker 1 (47:07):
You probably would have known about the guy's passing. Probably
excellent point there, James, appreciate you all right. Later on,
we'll get to some more of James's trip out to
the RoboCop statue as he talked with Randos about how
he is the owner of the statue. We'll get more
of that if you want to see the video of
James saluting RoboCop on the AP on the Associated Press.

Speaker 2 (47:28):
That's on our Facebook page.

Speaker 1 (47:30):
The Dock of Rock is coming in as we celebrate
his final day as a full time radio personality. Let's
tell some stories and have a good time. Get in
This afternoon is his last show. I hear that Lead
of Ford is gonna be on with in this afternoon.
I also hear that they have sixty nine. I don't
know if that's true. That we're gonna find out.

Speaker 2 (47:47):
This is the Josh Innis Show on one of six
point seven WLLZ Detroit's Wheels.

Speaker 1 (47:54):
One of six point seven Detroit's Wheels. Josh Innis Show,
Josh and James in the Dock of Odell is here, everybody.
How are you do morning? How you feeling on your
last day of coming to work until they.

Speaker 2 (48:06):
Flipped the country and you come back, it would be uh.

Speaker 5 (48:11):
I hosted the Toys for Tots party last night at Petas.

Speaker 2 (48:16):
It was packed and uh I.

Speaker 1 (48:18):
Had several jack and cokes. I've heard that you can
throw them back. I've never experienced this, but I hear
that you can go hard. They didn't have any good tequila.
You're a tequila guy, right, yeah. Do you ever drink
the Sammy Hagar tequila? Oh yeah, so he's got the
one with Guy Fieri. The Santano Santo is fantastic. That's
like my favorite tequila. I like the Cabo scal Oh yeah.

(48:40):
So he's got like a reposito, he's got a blanco,
and then they've got the mescal.

Speaker 2 (48:45):
See. Mescal to me is the kind of thing that
like snobby people drink, they.

Speaker 1 (48:49):
Judge you like I drinkal I'm like itaoline.

Speaker 2 (48:53):
It's good as with a mixer. I see, what do
you mix mescal with, like orange juice or something?

Speaker 5 (48:59):
Well, that would be he won cranberry possibly, or a
margarita mint.

Speaker 2 (49:05):
Oh, I see.

Speaker 5 (49:07):
But the Cabo Wabbo they changed the formula I believe
after Sammy Soul. Well that's how Sammy got rich was
selling that good Yeah, eighty mil but he had and
that was a big point of contention with him and
the guys in Van Halen.

Speaker 1 (49:20):
They wouldn't let him promote the tequila. So he got
a tattoo of the tequila and more sleeveless shirts.

Speaker 2 (49:26):
And that's how he promoted well was the club.

Speaker 1 (49:28):
It wasn't tequila initially, it was the Cabo Wabbo canteena
down in Mexico, and that's how he promoted it was
he put the tattoo on his arm and didn't wear sleeves.

Speaker 2 (49:37):
I was at that bird.

Speaker 5 (49:37):
I was at one of the birthday bashes, and we
came walking out of there probably four am in the morning,
and it's all cobblestone streets, and I went, you know,
I think I know why they call it Cabo Wabbo.
They kind of wabbling down the street at four am.
But the street Tacos is Mexico, almighty yeah. And there

(50:04):
and there's a little guy out there at four am,
you know, just.

Speaker 2 (50:07):
He knows, he knows what time.

Speaker 1 (50:09):
Well. I lived in Houston, and if you were at
a bar like two or three in the morning, there'd
be a guy that would always come in offering to
uh Tomali's, so you'd sit in the bar. Because it's
a lot of Mexican people in Houston. It's just a
it's a very Hispanic populations were to die. They were
so you'd sit in a bar and it'd be three
in the morning. You're about to leave your hammered or whatever.
They're trying to kick you out, and the guy would
come in tomalism like an old tray, and then you

(50:32):
buy like ten Tamali's and he disappeared.

Speaker 2 (50:34):
You wouldn't see him.

Speaker 4 (50:35):
Until next week because around here they come into the
bars before right before closing, to sell roses.

Speaker 1 (50:40):
That's weird, like who needs like this is like your
final attempt to get laid. Let me give this guy
five bucks.

Speaker 5 (50:46):
And yet absolutely true, that's wild.

Speaker 2 (50:49):
They're always coming in like what the hell before people?
You know, by the way I saw your purchase on
the way you saw it, it looks good, doesn't look good?

Speaker 5 (50:58):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (50:59):
I have to And I huge RoboCop awesome?

Speaker 5 (51:03):
Oh man, I had the talking RoboCop, very cool in
the box, probably worth something. I actually sold it once
at a you know, memorabilia sue.

Speaker 2 (51:15):
How much did you get for it?

Speaker 1 (51:16):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (51:16):
You know, probably forty or fifty pretty good, But I
went and bought another one. I was so.

Speaker 11 (51:23):
Much.

Speaker 2 (51:24):
I've got all the comic books. Picture dug down like
the math tub with the robo cop. But your move
creep your move creep, Yeah, or move creep. So, Doug
Ban your last day on the radio. Are you sad?
Are you emoting? Did you cry on the way in? No,
I haven't cried yet. Well, when Leeda Ford tells you

(51:45):
that the baby's yours, you'll be this afternoon? Maybe not.

Speaker 5 (51:55):
So?

Speaker 2 (51:55):
So Leida's going to be on with you this afternoon,
right or else? Calling?

Speaker 5 (51:58):
Uh Ricky Medlock from Leonard Skinnyard, I'm going to rerun
because we only heard it the one time, but I'm
going to rerun the Ted new should call that week
did fantastic. This has been the longest retirement in rock radio,
in rock history.

Speaker 2 (52:16):
I think so, I think it is. It's like your
foers but so, and let's see who else is expected?

Speaker 5 (52:31):
Well, we know it won't be Jack Russell, Damon Johnson
from Brother Kane, but also in Leonard Skins.

Speaker 1 (52:39):
I had a friend that I did the show within
Saint Louis that was obsessed with Brother Kane.

Speaker 2 (52:43):
He would just be like, can we play Brother Kane.
I'm like, no, we can't play Brother Kane.

Speaker 5 (52:46):
I was obsessed with Brother Kane and I was programmed
Director's I got to play them.

Speaker 2 (52:51):
All and Damon loves me for it.

Speaker 5 (52:54):
I would imagine, I mean, we busted that thing wide
open across the country. Uh, he even talked talked about it.
I had a very extensive conversation with him. It's my
last podcast and it's up on the website right now,
and I did it with Damon and he talked about
the fact that that ad and our airplay here in

(53:17):
Detroit had made a huge difference. And he also ended
up meeting Darren McCarty from the Detroit Red Wings at
a concert we were at where we were all together
with McCarty and stuff, and McCarty loved brother Kane, and
McCarty introduced David to his wife at the post one

(53:38):
night Wow Soccardy story like pretty a.

Speaker 2 (53:42):
Good story, So we'll tell that story.

Speaker 5 (53:45):
Gary Graff is coming in the Rock and Roll Insider,
and Trudy Daniels going to come by, and CARLINI called.

Speaker 2 (53:54):
And asked if she could stop in.

Speaker 5 (53:56):
So, you know, I think it's going to be like
an open bar there you go, open mic night, you know,
where people can just come on in and say hey
and let's go play some music. And Casey's given me
the opportunity unlike you guys to play anything I want.

Speaker 2 (54:16):
But I'm really I don't know. I'm not that interested
in you're.

Speaker 1 (54:20):
Interested hearing yourself on this last day. It's like, how
about you just let me talk for an hour?

Speaker 2 (54:24):
How about that. I don't need to play Motley Crue.
I'm just gonna share story. I'm gonna play some of
my favorite I mean, I'm lock.

Speaker 5 (54:33):
One of my favorite bands has always been Queen's Right,
But the Jeff Taate version okay, a little more melodic, yeah,
not living up to it.

Speaker 2 (54:43):
That's a random band to have as one of your
favorite bands, it is. And I got to know Jeff
Tate really well.

Speaker 5 (54:49):
That is kind of how I've been influenced by music
later in life, as you get to know your heroes,
some of them you don't like and.

Speaker 1 (54:58):
You wish you'd never tell me one. Now tell me, Doc,
it's your last day. Let's burn every branch, Let's burn
on fire. But I can tell you if you well,
let's do this. Let's hold on because I have to
like play like six songs an hour, just to make
sure that Casey doesn't know.

Speaker 2 (55:16):
Casey told me Doug, you can have them do anything
you want. No, I wish.

Speaker 1 (55:21):
What would you like to do, mister doctor? So let
me play some rock and roll here. This is Motley Crue.
I'm sure that Doug has plenty of stories about all
the things he and Tommy Lee did with Heather Locklear.
We will get all those stories after Home, Sweet Home.
It is Detroit's wheel well those six points seven Detroit's wheels, Josh,
and to show the final day of the dock of Rock. So,

(55:45):
so fifty years doing this, fifty years? You know that's
been continuous, right, Yeah, it has been. I mean basically,
I think one year I got four weeks vacation, one
per quarter. Yeah, when I first started, for some reason,
it dwindled back.

Speaker 5 (56:08):
But yeah, no, you know, every year, just a couple
of weeks vacation, you know, no big and half the
time when you're programming, you're on your you know, oh
my god. My wife used to you know, I'd be
laying there in the chair and I'm met on the
phone and I got a laptop in front of me,
and she's get that out of it.

Speaker 1 (56:29):
Supposed to be on vacation. But I feel like with radio,
even when you're on vacation, you're never on vacation. Well,
especially when you're in charge. Oh yeah, because they're calling constantly.

Speaker 2 (56:38):
You know, is it okay if we put.

Speaker 3 (56:44):
No.

Speaker 1 (56:45):
Well, I think what people don't realize now is that
like basically the music on the radio stations everywhere is
determined by like a big eye in the sky somewhere.
There's not really a Doug Podell around these radio stations
anymore that makes those decisions.

Speaker 2 (56:57):
So like I'll see people on Facebook.

Speaker 1 (56:59):
Like I'm going to miss Doc because like now those
idiots are making the decisions of like, well, ain't like
Docs choosing to play you know, you know Metallica four.
In the end, that's not your choice. That's someone else's choice, right, So,
like that's the decision someone else makes. But back in
the day, that was you, like you had power. You
had you brother Kane, you had the power to break

(57:19):
people like you had that you made it because in
a city like Detroit, on a radio station like RIFF,
you made or or broke a lot of people like
you could start their career in their career.

Speaker 5 (57:29):
Well, I'll tell you one was at the original w
LLZ and it was John bungy Ov And I got
the album from New York, which was a sister station
of ours called the Apple with Double Day, and they
had they had put out which UH stations were doing

(57:50):
in the mid eighties. They were putting out albums, you know,
of local music, and we had put out several too.
We had put out three at the original w ll Z,
and then I was proud to put out two here
with the New Wheels.

Speaker 2 (58:04):
But yeah, the Apple album came to me. I was
the music director at the time.

Speaker 5 (58:08):
So I went through the album and I found this
song Runaway by It on Jovie and I went, oh, man,
you know, so we did add it. We started playing
it and the station in New York was playing some
other band and they switched by Jovian and John used
to give me a lot of credit for being the

(58:30):
first one to play the song, I think, and later
in life, Chip, who is the music director at the Apple,
got the credit though, because he was the first to
play it in New York.

Speaker 1 (58:43):
And I ain't gonna make it if it doesn't get
to the Midwest. That West was such an important thing
for rock music in the seventies. And I mean like
because I worked at Case ninety five in Saint Louis.
It's an old folks home now. But in the seventies
and eighties, like they broke Ario Speed. I mean basically
they helped build Ario and Sammy and like and Muels
was no different, Riff was no different. You needed Cleveland,

(59:03):
you needed Detroit, you needed Saint Louis, you needed that
rust belt.

Speaker 2 (59:07):
It's ten degrees.

Speaker 1 (59:09):
People are rugged, they're hard people, and they liked the
rock that was the Midwest.

Speaker 5 (59:13):
In the nineteen seventies and eighties. Well, so much good
music was coming out from new artists. You don't get
that today and real, you know, we don't have the
luxury of that.

Speaker 2 (59:24):
You know.

Speaker 5 (59:25):
The biggest band you know in new rock I think
is Ghost right now? How new are they?

Speaker 2 (59:31):
You know they're not.

Speaker 1 (59:32):
And that's the thing too, not to bang on the
music a ton, but like we've played some new song
from Guns N' Roses, Like they have put up two
new songs.

Speaker 2 (59:39):
I was listening to them today and.

Speaker 1 (59:40):
I'm like, cool, Like rock is new, rock is kind
of it's dead and it's been dead, right, Like they're
good bands. I mean, like I think the Pretty Reckless
is a great band. I think they're bad band. I
think they're great bands. But rock, if you think about
rock radio what it was, and I think it really
kind of hit at zenith in terms of cultural and
horns probably in the seventies, but even into the eighties

(01:00:02):
where rock like basically as hair metal kind of peeked out,
is where rock radio started going down. But like hair metal,
eighties quiet Riot, bon Jovie, like that was the apex
of rock music radio being fun and it's everyone's getting laid,
everyone's doing drugs, it's nothing but a good time. And
then a bunch of the heroin people from you know,

(01:00:24):
Seattle come in and now everybody wants to hang themselves,
and then that killed like real talk, that killed rock
radio died whenever it became grudge, no fence to grudge.

Speaker 2 (01:00:33):
It's good music.

Speaker 1 (01:00:34):
I'm not knocking it, like, but that had to be
tough for you because you're programming rock stations and you're like, well,
you know, Poison just put out a new album, but
no one gives a damn because like, do I play
Sound Garden, do I play Pearl Jam?

Speaker 5 (01:00:46):
Well, right at the apex of that, I left and
went to Cleveland to program a classic rockday, So you.

Speaker 2 (01:00:53):
Got you were out.

Speaker 1 (01:00:54):
Whenever those decisions got out the firehouse came out. I
don't I feel that you use slander Firehouse too much
when you tell these stories, and I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:01:04):
Appreciate the Firehouse slander.

Speaker 5 (01:01:07):
They are a good representation of what happened to eighties rock.

Speaker 1 (01:01:12):
I believe Firehouse and I forgot the song, but I
think it was Firehouse who had like the last hair
metal song that was like a top forty song, and
then it all died and it was Scrunge and Sound
Garden and Bridges. And again, I'm not saying there wasn't
good music that came out of that era. There's a
toime like Sponge was born of that era, and Sponge
is fantastic. There's so many good bands of that era.

(01:01:32):
But when you talk about rock radio and Doug Podell's
in the middle of it, and Casey and Saint Louis
and Rocket in New York and Boston and rock radio
was at its zenith, it would have been probably mid
to late eighties hair metals. Fun. We're all doing drugs,
we're all having a good time. It's just it's fun.
Like if I could get in a time machine and
go back to any time ever, I'd go to like

(01:01:53):
nineteen eighty eight, and just deaf leopards. You gotta pour
some sugar on me. Every I had a buddy of
mine know him. He does rock radio in Chicago's name
Sludge is what he goes. But he worked at the
Latin Wheels. He was at the Wheels.

Speaker 2 (01:02:06):
He was like the last morning guy at Wheels.

Speaker 1 (01:02:09):
I think it was Ken Calvert and then Brian Tadad
Sludge came in and he was like the last morning
guy at the old Wheels before it started playing gospel
or whatever it did. So Sludge would tell me, you'd
go to these concerts back in the day, like you'd
go see the New Jersey tour for bon Jovi. Every
chick was a ten leather big boobs. Usually the boobs

(01:02:29):
were out, I mean like like no offense to like.
And when I got like, I got into it with
that mindset. I went to Saint Louis thinking that like
rock radio and boobs. I got there, the only boobs
I saw were ones. These ladies were kicking because they
were just on their ankles, like like I would kill
to have been in the world you were in in
like nineteen eighty five. And that was also a fun

(01:02:51):
era because the classic rock acts like the Stones or
the Eagles or not. The Eagles were not playing at
the time, but like Kiss, everybody was trying to evolve,
so they were still there, but they were.

Speaker 2 (01:03:02):
Doing newer stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:03:03):
So Kiss still existed, and there was still new music
from Pink Floyd coming out, and there was still new
music from Uh the members of the Eagles coming out.
Don Henley and Glenn were putting out great stuff. Joe
Walsh and like, you got to live that. That's what
I envy. I envy that you live that. And you
were a decision maker like you. You decided, hey, are
we gonna play you Belong to the City.

Speaker 2 (01:03:24):
I don't know that. I don't know. I don't really
like that song, so we're not gonna Like you had
the option to do that. You were the king, you
were the puppet master.

Speaker 1 (01:03:31):
You pulled the strange find I'm a dumbass that sits
here and has to play fourteen songs of freaking hour
and you got to live the freaking life of sex,
drugs and rock and rolling.

Speaker 2 (01:03:40):
Goddamn, I'm jealous. Thank you. I said it, Thank you, James,
I said it. I said it. I'm jealous. I'm jealous
of the life you've lived. I envy you go. You
got to train your ears to listen for the stuff
that you especially back then.

Speaker 5 (01:03:54):
You know, uh, there were and and you really don't
have this anywhere in the country anymore. Two rock stations
battling with current music, correct, which was it's like unheard
of now.

Speaker 2 (01:04:08):
And you want to know the state of rock rap music.

Speaker 1 (01:04:11):
I mean, look, RIFF is the current rock station, right
They might play one current song an hour, and you
know what else, they're playing the same stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:04:17):
We're playing the same stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:04:19):
See it Like that's not that Look now that I
got you here and you're like my mensa here, you're
like my, my, my, yogi, you're my guru.

Speaker 2 (01:04:25):
You know what's gonna win here? Me and him? It
ain't Sound Garden, thank you. You know why because everybody
plays sound Garden. You not everybody has James out there
talking to the stupid.

Speaker 5 (01:04:38):
Stats you James, and roll over some of Hope and Zelin.
Just remember we love led Zeppelin.

Speaker 2 (01:04:51):
That's what w l Z is. So love it, embrace it,
live it. Okay, there we go. Now, I know I
wasn't sure what the that meant.

Speaker 5 (01:05:00):
Now when in doubt play led Zeppelin Okay, isn't that
in that that movie?

Speaker 2 (01:05:08):
What? What is it movie? We'll think about that. Hold on,
I've got commercials and music I need to play. I
have to there you go. All right, here's what we're
gonna do.

Speaker 1 (01:05:17):
I'm gonna play some commercials and some more rock and roll.
We're going to talk with the dock. Its his final day.
Now that I've melted down, I'm going to miss Doc.
He's my only friend.

Speaker 5 (01:05:24):
I'm going to miss you guy, by the way, I will,
I really am, because this is going to be a
rocket ship going up. And you know that's the one
thing I'm sad about is that my timing of being
seventy three years old, uh came a little late because

(01:05:44):
with you guys, well, hey man, they could.

Speaker 2 (01:05:46):
They could have to pull the trigger about two years ago.
I'm just saying. I'm just saying I was sitting around
for a couple of years, and I was in your corner.
Your corner too. I appreciate that you had to go
to Saint.

Speaker 11 (01:06:00):
I was getting cornered by octogenarians when you're complaining my ratings,
my ratings. He had great ratings and then goes to
Saint lou Listen, I've made a lot of mistakes in
my life, dog plenty.

Speaker 2 (01:06:14):
I've made decisions that you had to see a big.

Speaker 1 (01:06:18):
Time radio station and they paid me three times when
I was making here.

Speaker 2 (01:06:22):
Okay, Well, you.

Speaker 1 (01:06:23):
Know when you're saying you're doing four different radio stations
for nothing, and someone says, hey, you want three times
what you're making to work in Saint Louis.

Speaker 5 (01:06:32):
You take it.

Speaker 2 (01:06:33):
Don't act like you don't know that life.

Speaker 5 (01:06:35):
Dog. I was doing forty stations at one point for
I my Lord. But there was some PD in you know,
and they used to tell you to the custom program
director would send out memos going, yeah, when you're doing
your forty stations, use your phones. You use the phones,
like use the phones for what, like to order pizza.

(01:06:59):
But you know, I would take some requests right and
I have them, you know, on tape, and uh, you know,
hey Doug, hey doc play some ousie. I'd keep it
short type. There was this program director I don't know
who he was in Palm Springs.

Speaker 2 (01:07:13):
Look at Doug. We're just torching people. That's like, Hey,
who Springs, I got something to say to you. I
think Casey told me he can't. Well he's not here
some fire way not like me. And one day I
just you know, I had thirty nine stations. No phone call,
no phone called, no, no email.

Speaker 9 (01:07:36):
No nothing.

Speaker 5 (01:07:38):
Wait, so I'm tracking this station, you know, and I'm
listening on a Saturday.

Speaker 2 (01:07:43):
I go, who that you know?

Speaker 5 (01:07:46):
And it sounds like some twelve year old kid on there, right,
dude set its and I and and they had taken
me off for weeks and I didn't even know. And uh,
you know, so uh that was a that was an
eye opener. Well now we know, all right, so I

(01:08:06):
gotta get these commercials in. You gotta shut up, Doug. Geez,
it's your last day, you filibuster. You talk over the commercials.
You're burning the place down. Jeez, Doug, all right, more
to come, Josh.

Speaker 10 (01:08:17):
In his show one six point seven w l Z
Detroit's Wheels one O six point seven Detroit's Wheels, that
is Joan Jet, Doug did not have relations with her
because I don't think she's into Doug's No, if you
catch my drift, I got his story.

Speaker 1 (01:08:35):
Whoa damn, let's go story Todd maybe no, no, no, no,
that's not how this works, Doug.

Speaker 2 (01:08:43):
What do you care to bomb? And ladies. My wife
right now, turning completely red.

Speaker 5 (01:08:48):
Oh boy, now we're at a concert, you know, Joan
Jet concert after party?

Speaker 2 (01:08:53):
What year is this?

Speaker 5 (01:08:54):
Oh I don't know, eighty something, So this isn't the
heat of it. This is good Times, right, Betimes and Jilson.
So I'm taking Hey, you know, I want to meet
Joe Jet. You know, I didn't really know anything about
all this, you know, uh, lesbianism, Yes, you can say, well,
I'm not a talk show I'm a dish jockey. You know,

(01:09:16):
we talk about lesbian that often. So uh, Jone Jet
comes in the room, sees my wife. What I mean,
I stand kind of like I won't go to walk up,
and I think I even wanted to get an autograph,
because I was an autograph freak back then. Every everybody
I met I got an autograph, you know, which I'm

(01:09:36):
going to be selling soon.

Speaker 1 (01:09:39):
Well, well, I'm going to be going to local trade
shows and plea markets to sell my record.

Speaker 5 (01:09:47):
She pushes right past me, right to my wife who's
standing at the bar, and.

Speaker 2 (01:09:53):
Just you know, like lean's right in there, and uh, you.

Speaker 5 (01:09:57):
Know, Sue gets all flustered. Of course, talks to her
for a little while and then it's like, uh, yeah,
so come on, let's let's go. We gotta leave now that's.

Speaker 1 (01:10:08):
Interesting, but yeah, it'd be a good story. Jap clams
with Doug Joan. Uh she had different designs and who
she was. I was not about to let any of
that in.

Speaker 2 (01:10:24):
So Doug Podell, of course is with us.

Speaker 1 (01:10:26):
They call him the Dock of Rock because it rhymes
and because of a literation and whatnot. But uh, he
will be doing his last radio show today. That starts
at two o'clock this afternoon, right two or three, two
to six. I really feel like I should have known that, Like,
what time are you on?

Speaker 6 (01:10:42):
Doc?

Speaker 2 (01:10:42):
I'm actually gonna cut you know.

Speaker 5 (01:10:44):
Well, I told Casey, I said with the agenda that
it looks like I could be on till nine. Ye
they'll be bringing back your TV show and get off
at six. Uh, but normally I'm on till seven, of course.
So yeah, but yeah, I think I'm gonna, you know,
try and get six, six thirty somewhere in there.

Speaker 2 (01:11:05):
And squeeze everybody in.

Speaker 1 (01:11:08):
What is the best concert you've ever been to? And
you've seen a bunch, I mean, like, I know it's hard. Well,
I had a McCartney concert.

Speaker 5 (01:11:18):
Okay, it probably was the one really I just saw
about three years ago, Paul McCartney second Row, Wow, Hollywood
Casino in Florida, Florida at the hard Rock Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:11:33):
And uh yeah he was still I mean, you know
he's still you know, can deliver. Well, let's talk about
a show that you went to when these acts were
like in their hate. Well, Ronnie James Dio was always
one of my favorites, you know who I've heard used
to put on amazing shows. Obviously I didn't see them,
I didn't live it. But was Sammy before he joined
Van Halen, Well, he was a great touring That's how

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he made his money. He wasn't a big album guy.
He was a touring guy.

Speaker 5 (01:11:56):
WLZ actually did nineteen eighty four the night of the
World Series Downtown. We had Sammy Hagar at Cobo Hall
and Sammy was fantastic.

Speaker 2 (01:12:07):
You know, he brought the mantros out.

Speaker 5 (01:12:09):
You know, it was before Drive fifty five, so even
those songs from those early solo albums were great, and
we did a live broadcast with it.

Speaker 1 (01:12:23):
But that's how it used to be, Like I'd podcasting
from backstage, like that's Great Stuf and.

Speaker 5 (01:12:28):
Then the Tigers win the World Series and everybody's million
around downtown and Sammy came back on stage after finishing
his show and opened the doors to Cobo Hall and
just let everybody come, oh wow, Wow, holy cow, amazing. Yeah,
and then we just can't And it's out there on

(01:12:49):
a bootleg disc. You can find it if you look
for it. You know, the Red Rocker nineteen eighty four,
Cobo Hall, blah blah blah.

Speaker 1 (01:12:56):
But uh yeah, how about Kiss Union Tiger Stadium ninety six.

Speaker 2 (01:13:02):
Tell us about that one.

Speaker 5 (01:13:03):
Well, I was there, Alice Chains were there, they they
opened Lane Staley. I think he died like two weeks
later if oh, oh really, yeah, I mean he looked pale.

Speaker 2 (01:13:16):
Sponge was on that show.

Speaker 5 (01:13:19):
I was there. We interviewed and that was a w
LLZ event and we we were backstage and interviewing the band.
But the best one was the Psycho Circus. So that
would have been like ninety nine, two thousand. Yeah, they
flew me out to They flew me out to la
for Westwood one because Jane wanted somebody from Detroit to

(01:13:43):
interview them as they you know, reunited, you know, with
the makeup with Ace and Peter and all that. So
when I got there, Jean started calling me doctor Detroit.

Speaker 2 (01:13:55):
Which is a dan Akroyd movie, Correct Detroit.

Speaker 5 (01:13:58):
Yeah, so he's calling me doctor Detroit through the whole thing.
And Ace Frayley, so you know, the time zone and
all that flying right, get there, you get to the
recording studio. Well, I'm not going to do this interview
till nine p m. LA time, So you know, I'm

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just hanging around this recording studio.

Speaker 2 (01:14:21):
All this midnight.

Speaker 5 (01:14:22):
Your body's oh yeah, no yeah, So Ace Frayley is
three hours late.

Speaker 2 (01:14:29):
That seems to be a regular thing for it.

Speaker 5 (01:14:31):
Yeah, yeah, just as Gene, so not thirty minutes, three hours.

Speaker 1 (01:14:37):
And the thing about Gene and Paul is they're like pros, right,
Like they are like that is a business, Like they
like being in Kiss, but Kiss is a business, right,
And that's why they hated Ace and they hated Peter
because those guys just kind of jerked around and just
viewed it as being in a rock band.

Speaker 2 (01:14:51):
But they didn't view it as a business like those
two did you.

Speaker 5 (01:14:54):
So yeah, so they so we're doing the interview and
Ace is bos out of his mind. He comes walking
in with two Swedish blondes, one on each arm, and
they're like six feet tall. So anyway, we all sit
down there, you know, and finally Westwood one you know,

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is giving me the mic, and you know, here we go, right,
we start, we start asking questions and Ace every time
Doug were they?

Speaker 2 (01:15:28):
And so now the producer is in my ear.

Speaker 5 (01:15:31):
Going, you know, Doug, we don't have anything yet, because
he just keeps blurting in on everyone, right, and so
they're getting mad and Jean's getting mad, but nobody will
say anything. So of course I have to take charge.
And I look over at Ace and I go, you know, Hece,

(01:15:56):
Now I know why they threw you out of the
all of a sudden quiet everybody, and and Jeene Simmons
looks over at me, like, good move. Then I'm just
waiting for someone to take charge, and you, Doug had to.

Speaker 2 (01:16:16):
Be the one to do it. So then I see
Gene a couple of years later in Saginaw.

Speaker 5 (01:16:21):
Actually we're back there, Jane, doctor Detroit, Doug Podell, how
are you.

Speaker 2 (01:16:28):
I'm good? You remember Doug Podell, right, you used to
call me doctor Detroit. No, that's not where I thought
the story was going, Oh god, no, that's great.

Speaker 5 (01:16:44):
So just recently I'm playing back some of my you know,
favorite interviews here all this last couple of weeks, and
there's an interview with Jeane Simmons and I asked him
mind that interview. I said, Jeane, do you remember you know?
And and Ace was three hours later he goes.

Speaker 2 (01:17:03):
Ace was late. Huh for Ace, God rest those soul.
I loved him.

Speaker 5 (01:17:14):
I used toll love seeing him over at the Token Lounge.
We had him for Halloween. We were supposed to have Halloween.

Speaker 1 (01:17:20):
James has never forgiven him for dying. They're supposed to
make like fifty bucks to go out and throw them.

Speaker 2 (01:17:24):
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 1 (01:17:25):
You were going to the at the estate of Ace freely.
Ohs you like forty dollars. So thanks for nothing as
basically one hundred bucks plus my hourly rate, which is
not much, so that's maybe one d Someone in the
Frehley family give me my one hundred and thirty dollars.

Speaker 2 (01:17:41):
All right.

Speaker 1 (01:17:41):
So Doc is hanging out with us last day on
the air. Of course, this afternoon a whole bunch of
people are going to be there, but Doc's hanging out.
We'll share some more stories. If you want to get
in eight seven seven nine eight eight one oh six seven.
You can also text in some questions. Text the word
Josh and your message to five one eight eight one.
It's the Josh Jennis Show.

Speaker 2 (01:17:59):
Josh in his show one of six point seven w
L Detroit's Wheels, Well six point seven Detroit's Wheels.

Speaker 1 (01:18:06):
Josh and his show, Josh and James and the Dock
on the last day of the Great Dock of Rock,
and we may never see him again. He told me
he's off to take it to the streets and sell
his treasures from the back of a truck.

Speaker 2 (01:18:18):
So I am going to be doing can I mention that?
What's that?

Speaker 1 (01:18:21):
I'm going to be doing some record shows. So your
antiques road show now that's you. You're no longer the
Dock of Rock Antiques road Show.

Speaker 5 (01:18:29):
I rented out an Elks Club three times in twenty
twenty six. Okay, first date coming up is March fifteenth,
all right, and they'll probably be close to fifty dealers,
you know, the good ones from Detroit. They'll all have
their records and their memory able not handpicked. But my

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partner Greg has been doing this for quite a while.
He knows as knows all the peeps who's worthy of being.
We're kind of working in conjunction with the other record
show entities, okay, so that we don't step on each other, okay,
And we have a month and they have a month
and things like that, so and and we share tables.

(01:19:17):
And I used to do this for a while back
in the mid nineties, but then you know, it just
got to be too much. So it's March fifteenth. But
here's the added thing. I'm going to do a w
ab X second Generation dish Jockey reunion.

Speaker 2 (01:19:40):
Look at you, look at you.

Speaker 5 (01:19:43):
Yeah, So all of the guys have retired by now
except me, but Steve Costan, Greg Saint, James Todd, Fowler,
Michael Mayer, Peter Worby.

Speaker 2 (01:19:58):
Our old general manager, though, is going to be there,
Al Wilson. How about that?

Speaker 5 (01:20:02):
So the original general manager who hired me, uh, will
be there and I'll be there of course. And so
it'll be you know, come in for three bucks, you
can buy records and do all that. We'll have food, drinks,
but yeah, there'll be a reunion between noon and two.
It's like the Legends of Wrestling, but with them with
rock Radio, Rock Radio. And then next year he'll do

(01:20:24):
a reunion of all the people that worked at RIFF.
And then the next year he'll do you know, you
know me too, well, he'll do voicemail. Yeah, I think
it's in two thousand and two.

Speaker 2 (01:20:40):
My voicemail greeting. Leave a message.

Speaker 5 (01:20:44):
I got a pretty good Arthur Panhello story. Please do
tell I love Arthur.

Speaker 2 (01:20:48):
By the way.

Speaker 5 (01:20:49):
When I first came to RIFF, you know, uh, we
had beat him up pretty badly at w l Z.
Not not from a rating standpoint, he was always number one,
but just from harassment, you know, kind of stuff you
guys are doing now.

Speaker 1 (01:21:03):
Yeah, but you guys actually liked it and enjoyed it
and have to get lectured about it.

Speaker 5 (01:21:07):
Oh no, I got lectured about it, trust me. Uh
but you know, we kept the hammer down. We were
you know, we were second place, so we needed to,
you know, to fight harder.

Speaker 2 (01:21:18):
Right, Well, what happens when you're in nineteenth place? How
hard do you have to fight? To fight harder?

Speaker 5 (01:21:24):
Gotta fight hard. Keep that in mind, Josh. But yeah,
So so Slash comes to town with his solo album.
I think it was a snake Pit album that makes sense. So, uh,
Slash is a weird guy, by the way, but friendly.

(01:21:44):
So you make him sound like some sort of hill creature.
He says, you don't want to be upset friendly.

Speaker 2 (01:21:50):
He's strange.

Speaker 5 (01:21:51):
He's just a strange dude, and I'll tell you why.

Speaker 2 (01:21:55):
So we're you know, he's doing an interview with Arthur.

Speaker 5 (01:21:58):
And then after the interview, Art's done, we're all done,
so we're gonna go out and have some dinner and drinks.
Art night and Slash. So we end up at on
eight Mile at Trump's Jumps or Trumps, you know. And
it was a strip bar, yeah, Josh, I hear the

(01:22:19):
stakes great there or was. So we're in the strip
bar for hours, okay, and Slash takes my sport jacket
and puts it on and he won't give it back,
all right, And I found out later this is his thing. Okay,

(01:22:41):
he takes something from somebody and never gives it back.
Oh like almost like a club though. So he takes
my sport jacket. He's wearing it the entire night.

Speaker 3 (01:22:52):
You know.

Speaker 5 (01:22:53):
We're there for a couple of hours. But it's getting
late now, it's you know, ten eleven o'clock.

Speaker 2 (01:22:59):
I gotta leave. So I go to Art.

Speaker 5 (01:23:01):
You know Art, I'm gonna I'm gonna cash out because
Art knows everybody at the club. Of course, the women
are just piely on to our table, and you know
they love Art Dependa. That was his place. You know,
he was king, he was king dog there. So I

(01:23:22):
go cash out for our table twelve hundred bucks. And uh,
you know that's back when radio had budgets, right, I
knew I could expense that I need. I need the
receipt please, yeah, I have no problem.

Speaker 1 (01:23:37):
Yeah, you know, imagine that was Casey today, like, well, guys,
we got a poll.

Speaker 5 (01:23:41):
Yeah, like, guys, just follow me out quick. So I
paid a twelve hundred dollars bill I go. So you
guys are on your own now if you're staying all right.
So the next morning, I'm in and I get a
call from the general manager to come upstairs because there's

(01:24:04):
a phone call from Trumps. And two guys left, and
they left a twenty two hundred dollars tam So after
the twelve hundred that I paid, they went to rack

(01:24:25):
up another twenty two hundred dollars and I lost my
damn sport jacket.

Speaker 1 (01:24:33):
I mean of all things. It was his favorite jacket.
I love that jacket. It was custom tailored fit. So
that would mean that Arthur P and Slash had a
good time after you left. Yeah, a real good time.

Speaker 2 (01:24:46):
Fantastic.

Speaker 5 (01:24:47):
So of course, back then, you know, we covered the bill,
took care of trumps. And about a week later, I
get a package and I opened it up a box
and my sports, my sports jacket back and I thought, oh,

(01:25:10):
that's great. I'm not quite sure I want to wear
this anymore. Well, you don't want to rub a black
light on top o. You don't want to cover a
black light on that thing. Checked the pocket, I see
there's twenty hundred bucks in there somewhere.

Speaker 2 (01:25:21):
I don't think I kept it at all. But yes,
I you're probably gonna you can soole that your Uh yeah,
well I could. I could have. I could have sold it.
I could have been one of your trinkets and pressures
that another twenty With.

Speaker 5 (01:25:33):
The black light, you can see some Slash's still on
the jacket.

Speaker 2 (01:25:37):
I saw that, Doug. What happened last night? Well, I
paid the bill, I left, I left Art Slash on
their own, all right, So let's do this.

Speaker 1 (01:25:46):
Let me play a little rock and roll here because
you know, can't think Casey's here now. So I got
to make sure we do more story time with the
Great Dock of Rock.

Speaker 2 (01:25:53):
But first we must play Tom Petty. It's I won't
back down. We are Detroit's Wen Tom Petty.

Speaker 1 (01:26:01):
Doug Podell is here and he is retiring today, but
you can hear him one more time, and then he'll
just probably just loiter up here. If I had to guess,
we'll show up, he'll just be here. Because they didn't
know what to do with himself. Nobody who's done this
or anything for fifty years knows what to do with themselves.

Speaker 5 (01:26:15):
You know, nobody gets to retire in this business. Usually
the last time you heard, well, JJ retired last year.
I've been retired three different times. Yeah, it's akin to
what they do when they break their leg, is what
that was my retirement.

Speaker 2 (01:26:31):
March into a room and sit you down at a table.

Speaker 1 (01:26:34):
But even like the great ones like I'm I like
Drew laying a lot, Like they went in and they
told Drew and Mike like see you later, we got
to bring all these dicks over here to take your job.

Speaker 5 (01:26:42):
I've seen a couple of very high profile personalities who
deserved way more than what I got.

Speaker 2 (01:26:50):
Yeah, even though I did get a studio named after me. Yeah,
nice little sticker on the wall and everything. Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 5 (01:26:57):
Airline tickets to anywhere in the continental United States.

Speaker 2 (01:27:00):
Yeah, a lot of cash. By the way.

Speaker 8 (01:27:04):
Good.

Speaker 2 (01:27:04):
I love Colleen Grant. Well, I think what happened is.

Speaker 1 (01:27:07):
I think Colleen had heard that Slash took twenty two
hundred dollars from it.

Speaker 2 (01:27:12):
She says, Hey, I'm taking care of.

Speaker 5 (01:27:13):
Imagine walking into Colleen right now, like, yeah, we're at
this strip bar last night.

Speaker 2 (01:27:18):
No, I can't.

Speaker 5 (01:27:20):
And just then Slash spent you know, close to three
thousand and five hundred dollars at that bar because you
know I was going to expense my twelve hundred.

Speaker 2 (01:27:30):
Yes, So tell me this. Tell me this.

Speaker 1 (01:27:33):
So when you came back to Riff mid nineties, you
had been in Cleveland, you come back to Riff, How
do you guys decide to build the Drew and Mic
thing the way you built it? Like how it became?
What was it when you got there? And what did
you guys do to make it into what was this
legendary show? For well over a decade. I can't tell
you that. Why, Well, I mean tell me that.

Speaker 2 (01:27:54):
Well, I'd like to.

Speaker 1 (01:27:55):
I'm just curious, Like, that's a legendary show. I think
anybody listening to rock radio in town knows that show.
Oh and it's Drew and Being His podcast is super successful.
So how did it come about? Like, so I got there,
was Drew already there. Drew was there, okay, and uh
and Mike was there.

Speaker 2 (01:28:08):
And I knew Mike. I had hired him at w
ll Z as a different character and with a different plan. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:28:16):
He used to call into the morning show and play
a character called Seaning Lance two people, and he used
to talk to himself two gay.

Speaker 2 (01:28:25):
Guys, gotcha, and he was fantastic.

Speaker 5 (01:28:28):
When I came back, I was surprised to see that
he was a second you know, Mike to Drew who
had just lost Zip, who had left. So it was
the Drew and Zip Show. I didn't know the history
too much of the Drew and Mike Show, but I
knew that it was music oriented and it really was

(01:28:53):
kind of flatlined at the time the show. I've heard
the whole station was flat lined. So I had just
come off the Howard Stern experience. There were a lot
of people pressing for me to bring Howard to Detroit,
including Howard, who called me a couple of times saying,

(01:29:14):
you know, what do you think he might be? And
at this time he had been on fifty two stations already,
so you know, his act was his act, and he.

Speaker 2 (01:29:24):
Was getting ready.

Speaker 5 (01:29:25):
I could tell he was getting frustrated with the amount
of FCC and all that, and you know, wanted to
leave and go to Sirius. So you know, after many
meetings and you know, we kind of decided to I
wouldn't say steal, but you know, what's the word job, hey,

(01:29:49):
homage maybe a little bit, a little bit because everyone did,
by the way, and these guys, and there were some
stations that were doing it, Opie and Anthony right, and
you know, I didn't know them all, but there it
was a trend in rock radio, especially if you were

(01:30:09):
an active rock station, to have rock talk, rock talk.
But Drew added sports and that's what I think really
fueled the radio station. We also had several, I mean
several really sharp producers, young guys who were you know,

(01:30:32):
would take the station and the show to the edge.
And uh and you know, let's face it, nobody was
doing that. This town end nineteen ninety five when I
came back, was pretty sleepy. Rock Wars was over. You know,
a lot of people had been fired, formats were failing,

(01:30:53):
and RIFF was struggling.

Speaker 2 (01:30:56):
So was RIFF the only rock station still doing it
when you got back.

Speaker 5 (01:30:59):
No Wheels was still here, but CSX was there as well,
and they were not affiliated at the time.

Speaker 2 (01:31:08):
Well, I mean, were they the only ones like playing
active current rock music.

Speaker 5 (01:31:12):
Yes, but there was also eighty nine X, which was
a much bigger force in the market then, and they
were raided, gotcha. So but the point was is that
with the structure of Drew, Mike, Trudy and these incredible
producers Mark and Mike and and all.

Speaker 2 (01:31:32):
Of these guys, rob it just clicked.

Speaker 5 (01:31:36):
I mean, I was probably the luckiest guy on earth
because the chemistry just happened. And you know, as much
as Drew did not want to do it, he was
a little bit adamant about, you know, not really wanting
to go in that direction, and we kind.

Speaker 2 (01:31:56):
Of had to be interesting one. I think everybody was
used to the way it was, you know, and.

Speaker 5 (01:32:04):
You know, we had one hundred and one minutes of
music at nine am, and wow.

Speaker 1 (01:32:09):
That sounds like Look, that sounds like a great idea
starting at sex Well, right exactly, so am Doug am?

Speaker 5 (01:32:20):
So six am that kind of you know, we kind
of pulled that feature and hey, here took all the
music out and they just they they they accomplished what
a lot of stations and a lot of morning shows
just couldn't dog and then took it.

Speaker 2 (01:32:39):
You know, I stayed out of their way really.

Speaker 1 (01:32:41):
Like, look, look, I don't want to step on your
toes on your last day, but I think I'm gonna
steal that idea. But how do you feel about one
thousand and sixty seven minutes of music.

Speaker 5 (01:32:54):
Every morning calling the rock block? How do you feel
about that? I don't feel too good about that.

Speaker 1 (01:33:00):
But you've lived a life, though, like you've experienced all
of this stuff like it's crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:33:05):
You know, and and sometimes that works, and it depends
on what market. Sure you've had failures.

Speaker 5 (01:33:10):
I'm sure it was working for a while. Yeah, I've
had a few. But the Minsky and Doyle.

Speaker 1 (01:33:19):
So let's do this all right, because Doug's hanging out
with us, and Doug will be here just throughout the
rest of this show, and then he'll be up here
this afternoon for the final show with the Doc of Rock,
and apparently all of these rock stars that he's betted
before will be up here. Uh, they're actually gonna do
paternity tests. It's a Wow episode of More Wow. It's like,
listens out, they're gonna bring up the bassist from Vixen
and they're gonna find out you're not a father if

(01:33:41):
if Doug is the father drummer from Dixon, Well okay,
then so as it turns out, we're gonna find out
if the drummer from.

Speaker 2 (01:33:47):
Vixen's kid is in fact Doug's kids. So we're going
to do We're gonna do that and then uh, it's
just like Doug just like that's the son of Doc
of Rock. It's like he's Frankenstein at the son of
the Doc. So we'll do that.

Speaker 1 (01:34:03):
One thing I do want to get into with you, though,
because you lived one of the greatest radio stories ever
and you were on the front line for the Stern
Cleveland funeral, like you were there when the wires were cut.
That's like the most legendary rock and roll radio story ever. Yeah,
like you lived it, So I want to get into
that that was in Cleveland. But it's a fascinating story
if you guys have never heard it.

Speaker 2 (01:34:20):
So let's do that. Doc is going to hang out
with us. It's the Josh Ennis.

Speaker 1 (01:34:24):
Show, The Josh Show, seven w LLZ Detroit's Wheels one
of six point seven Detroit's Wheels, Josh Nis Show, last
day of the doc. So you were what was your
actual title in the Stern universe? You with the PD
at the station in Cleveland, but what was your role
in the Stern world? That was the operations manager of

(01:34:47):
WNCXIT and that was just an affiliate at that point.
You know, that was all and and you know there
were no weather affiliates to We were the third, so
there was no syndication you know company at that it.

Speaker 2 (01:35:02):
Would have been it would have been New York.

Speaker 1 (01:35:03):
Philadelphia was the second, LA Washington and then you guys
are Washington came after?

Speaker 2 (01:35:09):
So you were it was Philly l a US.

Speaker 1 (01:35:13):
Really yeah, how about Oh so you're not counting New York? Okay,
so county So that makes sense? Okay, So I'm not
trying to argue semantics with you. I guess waite a second, Doug.
I know you lived it, but I read private party.

Speaker 2 (01:35:25):
In a second.

Speaker 1 (01:35:26):
I got the Wikipedia right here. So anyway, you're in Cleveland,
the Duke of Rock. Yes, how did you feel about
that portrayal of It's an algamation. It's like four people
mashed into one from W four. Yeah, so, you know,
but I did used to call him big Bird. So

(01:35:47):
but you know, and apparently didn't like it. And the
station was legitimately in a horrible part of town, and
you guys thought you were gonna die every day you went.

Speaker 5 (01:35:55):
We were in Jefferson, Abnu, you're not too far from
the rents and so it wasn't too bad.

Speaker 2 (01:35:59):
But that was an old house.

Speaker 5 (01:36:02):
When you pulled into the parking lot, the rats would scatter,
you know, so you had to watch out for that
because they'd eat any food that was left over on
the ground.

Speaker 1 (01:36:10):
You got outside the studio now, but now we have
a Robocops statue. Yes, true, the portrayal of the general
manager of W four in the movie. How accurate it
was that? Uh, none of that was really that was
just a character created for the movie. Yes, that was
that was a you know, I mean, I remember Howard saying,

(01:36:32):
you know you're going to be in the movie.

Speaker 2 (01:36:34):
But it's not going to be you you know, so that.

Speaker 1 (01:36:38):
They have to get your permission to include that. No,
that's why they didn't, gotcha.

Speaker 5 (01:36:42):
Yeah, if they would have called him the doc of Rock,
then it would have been a totally different thing and
I would have got paid.

Speaker 1 (01:36:47):
Correct, they changed a lot of at least some names.
It wasn't that they changed the name of those guys.
And I mean I understood it was a you know,
I mean, it was a movie. Yeah, and it was
a low budget movie.

Speaker 5 (01:36:59):
And you know, Uh, at that point, we're we were
all committed to helping Howard uh succeed.

Speaker 2 (01:37:08):
Yeah, and you know he was great.

Speaker 5 (01:37:09):
I mean, I to this day, I still believe he's
probably the best broadcaster in America, maybe the world really,
And you know, he delivered. He certainly delivered in Cleveland,
no question about it. I mean, within six months he
was the number one morning shoe Oh as far as
Rock was, we beat MMS right out of the shoe boom.

(01:37:32):
The key to getting him to come in to do
the funeral was getting the station to go to number one,
not just him.

Speaker 1 (01:37:40):
And by the time that happened, he had already done
the funeral in Philadelphia and done an La funeral.

Speaker 2 (01:37:45):
I think those were the only two funerals. I think
that had already happened.

Speaker 1 (01:37:48):
So how this is interesting though, So for those who
don't know, WMMS is like the riff of Cleveland, Like that's.

Speaker 5 (01:37:55):
The next America's rock station. They're like the Dallas Cowboys
at the time, gotcha. You know, everybody wanted to work there.
Everybody revered it. I used to go to Cleveland and
in vacation just to listen, to buy you know, stickers
and T shirts to listen, you know. So to go
there and decimate them was a lot of fun, I bet.

(01:38:19):
I mean talk about rock war.

Speaker 1 (01:38:21):
Well, you mean you told us that you went up
there possibly to get a job up there, that it
didn't happen. Then you come back and beat them, that's
gotta be awesome. So the funeral happens. You guys beat WMMS,
and you're number one in town. It's a big deal.

Speaker 2 (01:38:33):
You're in charge of all this. You're the PDE.

Speaker 1 (01:38:34):
Right, What is the responsible of Doug Podell when it
comes to building this whole funeral in Cleveland for a
stern funeral.

Speaker 5 (01:38:41):
Well, I had to go to the general manager and
ask for one hundred and eighty thousand dollars to erect
a stage.

Speaker 2 (01:38:49):
Well, let me just interrupt you really quick here.

Speaker 1 (01:38:51):
When I go and ask Casey for stickers, he says, look, well,
I don't know if that's in the budget, but Doug's going.
He gets three grand to get slash lap dances, and
he gets one hundred and eighty grand for a Stern funeral.

Speaker 2 (01:39:04):
It was different back then.

Speaker 5 (01:39:06):
Just getting Howard Stern, we had to go to New York.
I went with the owner and it costs a million bucks.

Speaker 2 (01:39:13):
Wow.

Speaker 5 (01:39:14):
And this is a little Cleveland station that was in
twenty first place. So they took a giant leap of faith,
you know, to do this, and they believed in me
to deliver it.

Speaker 2 (01:39:27):
Did you have to.

Speaker 5 (01:39:28):
Deliver like a sales pitch to Stern to get him?
I mean yeah, at the conference room freedom of speech,
I believed it. And you said, look, we're gonna have
to play nineteen records in the morning. Well, you can
say whatever you want in the ten seconds between them. Now,
as a matter of fact, we weren't allowed to play
any music. We weren't allowed to hit the dump button

(01:39:50):
for any reason whatsoever. And there were and we were
not allowed to put any billboards up.

Speaker 1 (01:39:56):
So you mean to tell me you did not have
anybody sitting back there like opes the F word slipped
out like al Lewis Grandpa Munster said the F.

Speaker 2 (01:40:03):
Well, that was handled there. But the F word never
did slip out. What was the reasoning behind the billboard thing?

Speaker 5 (01:40:11):
He just didn't believe in it. He didn't believe in it.
He thought it was radio Gaga, you know, radio hype.
I did put billboards up, and I was chastised for it,
and we had to take them down, but I still
have little pictures of them from the company. I did
hit the button one time, and I was chastised for

(01:40:34):
it by not only Howard and the entire crew, but
the entire city of Cleveland, although it was split. Half
were with me and half were against me. But at
the time Howard had put a parody song together of
one of the Cleveland Indians. His name was the guy

(01:40:56):
that died in the boat. Died in the boat, he
was decapped, and it was to a song by Popeye
the sailor Man. And in Cleveland, the Indians at the
time were the economy. Okay, they just got They were
the biggest thing in Ohio and I'm driving in and

(01:41:18):
I'm hearing this, and you know, I understand it.

Speaker 2 (01:41:21):
I'm letting it go. I'm letting it go. I'm letting
it go.

Speaker 5 (01:41:25):
And then it got to the point where I thought,
you know what, We're going to lose every damn advertiser
we have, and salespeople were flipping out. Phone calls were
coming in, uh, positive and negative and uh. I went
upstairs and I had a very good producer who was
running the Show's name is Dave, and he was very

(01:41:48):
diligent in, you know, communicating with the Howard Stern show.
I said, Dave, move over, because I wasn't going to
put that on him. And I went and I pushed
the dump button and I proceeded. I did not play music.
I proceeded to play eighteen minutes of commercials.

Speaker 2 (01:42:10):
So this is in the middle of the parody song. Yes,
so you get the middle of the whole bit. The
whole they did. I'm sure they did an hour long
bit about this guy having his head taken on.

Speaker 5 (01:42:19):
Two and a half hours maybe. So I now I
lift my figure off the button, and I hear listeners
from Cleveland telling Howard that I'm holding the bone and uh,
you know, everybody's flipping out, you know, especially Howard. And

(01:42:42):
as soon as I heard that, I pushed the button
and another fifteen minutes of commercial and U and by
the time it was all over, Uh, you know, finally
I took my finger off the button and you know,
and I let them continue to you know, the more

(01:43:04):
on PD Doug Bodell uh did this, and the more
on PD Doug Podell did that.

Speaker 1 (01:43:10):
But you realize how good that is for the stationed
audience to build that kind of hatred for you, Like
it's good, Like it sucks for you, but it's good
because that creates the content that causes a fever pitch
with the audience, and the people who love it are
gonna love it even more and might get round. I'm
just gonna make news and like it's really and Howard
knows that, by the way, he understands better than anybody.

(01:43:32):
Like the creating that kind of drama that's real but
sort of fake with the PD and stuff like that's
huge for building your.

Speaker 2 (01:43:39):
Loyal army life.

Speaker 5 (01:43:40):
But when I first put him on, that's what I
was getting, you know, And uh, and I called him
up once and I said Howard.

Speaker 2 (01:43:46):
You know, I thought we were friends, you know, he.

Speaker 5 (01:43:48):
Goes, Podell, you're part of the bit, now, so get it,
you know.

Speaker 2 (01:43:52):
So I got it, you know.

Speaker 5 (01:43:56):
But I used to take phone calls. My wife would
hand me the phone. I'd be in the shower. I go,
I'm naked right now. Oh that's perfect, Bodell, Yeah, Robin,
he's naked right.

Speaker 2 (01:44:08):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (01:44:08):
And then they would harass me, and especially with this
funeral Okay, so it calls me up.

Speaker 2 (01:44:14):
He goes, all right, So we need three treadmills, right,
we need you know, uh, chicken, there's a funeral writer.

Speaker 5 (01:44:26):
Yeah, the funeral rider was coming down the pipe and
it was all fake. But I had no idea. So
I'm writing all this down, you know, three treadmills.

Speaker 2 (01:44:38):
Oh my god, where am I going to get there?

Speaker 5 (01:44:40):
He has to have specific chicken, you know, for his
diet or whatever, specific popp or soda and all these amenities,
you know, something for Gary and something for elephant Boy
and something for stuttering John, and oh my god, it
was it was crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:45:00):
That's awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:45:01):
And we did the show from a strip club down
in the flats, from like a parking lot of the
strip club.

Speaker 2 (01:45:07):
But Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:45:08):
So Howard was in the Strip Club and we were
in this massive parking lot. Twenty thousand people are out there.
I got there about midnight and people were already there,
and it was an amazing concert with David Lee, Roth, America,
HEIGHTI Flice was there. I mean, it was just you know,

(01:45:30):
it was just act after act after crazy person after nutjob,
and we had you know, the the logo of MMS
was the buzzer.

Speaker 2 (01:45:42):
The buzzard. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:45:43):
I had two mechanical buzzards on each end of the
stage that went back and forth and back and forth.
And when Howard came out, they shot blood into the audio.
Ragati came you know, out of the buzzard and the

(01:46:05):
heads fell down. Oh yeah, and uh, you know we
had we had killed the buzzard.

Speaker 2 (01:46:10):
This might have been what inspired to do that.

Speaker 1 (01:46:11):
It might have been like this is a new addition
to the Doug Podell lore. He actually inspired war. But
you know the radio station, they they were the kings
of rock war.

Speaker 2 (01:46:22):
That's that was, you know.

Speaker 5 (01:46:24):
But they had kind of met their match because I
was you know, that was my thing too in Detroit.
So I wasn't afraid of war, and I kind of
anticipated it, So I had several plane clothes policemen roaming
the area to make sure that nothing would happen, because

(01:46:45):
they had attacked me before with t shirts at our anniversary,
bumper stickers, things like that, you know, flat and tires
nothing like what you're about to get. Nothing like we
were about to get. And I could have never imagined it.
So there's a trailer attached, you know, right next to
the building, and there's just a little thin copper wire

(01:47:09):
and that was the live broadcast wire. And the engineer
from WMMS comes, you know, strolling by with his armie
jacket on him, just clips that wire and starts walking
towards the river to pitch the you know, the wire cutter,

(01:47:31):
and within two steps, boom, he's taken down. But the
show's off the air at this point, shows off the
air for about three minutes.

Speaker 2 (01:47:41):
How do you get it back on?

Speaker 5 (01:47:42):
Well, I had an engineer right there ready to go
click the wire. Boom, We're back on.

Speaker 2 (01:47:47):
Okay.

Speaker 5 (01:47:48):
So Howard was livid, but he's also loving it because
he knows that this is like, oh, he wants their license,
he wants the name of the GM, the PD, everybody
you know, and uh, and and deservedly so. I mean
I I sat right next to him, went on the
air and said, you know what I mean, they've taken

(01:48:10):
it too far. Now, Okay, it used to be fun.
Now it's really become criminal war. It's criminal, yeah, criminal.
So you know, then they went on to really arrest
the wrong person, run them through the mill, through the
court system, almost put this person in prison. I had

(01:48:35):
to call to kind of get my general manager to
just stop the proceedings because we weren't going to get
the license because the PD and the general manager had
you know, found a way to ice yes. So it
was all going down on the engineer and this poor woman,

(01:48:55):
and I just couldn't let that happen. So we basically
threw the case out, let it go, and and that
was kind of the end of it until my book
comes up. Yeah, why do you think I'm having Gary
Graff in today? That is fascinating, though, like.

Speaker 1 (01:49:13):
You've lived the life man, did anything like that happen here?
Like anything close to that in these rock wars?

Speaker 2 (01:49:19):
Really?

Speaker 5 (01:49:19):
Well, there was something and it was with WLZ and
you know, we had gone through several pds, nothing was
really working, and they brought in the king of war,
the king of war, the king of rock War was
Lee Arnold.

Speaker 2 (01:49:37):
This guy had every trick under the book. Okay, And
when he arrived in Detroit, he held a press.

Speaker 5 (01:49:47):
Conference and he put out the memo to the you know,
press conference, to all of the newspapers and TV stations
to meet him at the WRIF parking lot where he
would announce what his plans were for w LLZ. The
dude arrives in a helicopter and lands in the parky

(01:50:13):
lot of w Oh, that's great. And I said to myself,
that's my hero. That's a guy I can work for.

Speaker 2 (01:50:24):
And boy, we did. We bonded.

Speaker 5 (01:50:27):
We we actually had a consultancy for many years. And
you know we've been talking. Maybe you know, we may
pick it back up. He's still he still kept the
company running. But you know we used to drive drive
him crazy with getting the advance releases. I remember sitting
you know, you just played some Aerosmith and I'm on

(01:50:48):
the air. My shift was six to ten and I
love that shift at night, and I've got the Aerosmith
Pump album before anybody else, and I'm playing track after
track and the hotline's going off the record. Guy's banging
on the door trying to get into the building and
get us to stop playing this record. Lee's going, I'm

(01:51:11):
going to lead you whan I'm me to stop. No,
just keep playing that record, don't you know when it's over,
just flip it over and start playing it again.

Speaker 2 (01:51:19):
So the hotline goes off.

Speaker 5 (01:51:20):
I pick it up and it's one of my heroes,
Mark Perno from w ab X at the time. He's
buddies with Aerosmith, right and he's he's begging me. He's going, Doug,
you know you gotta you gotta stop, you gotta I go.

Speaker 2 (01:51:33):
Mark.

Speaker 5 (01:51:33):
If you were sitting here right now, you'd be playing
this damn record. You know you're I'm not gonna stop.
Next thing I hear is Doug, this is Joe Perry.

Speaker 2 (01:51:51):
I owed Joe. You know what can I tell you?
My boss is telling me to play it. So yeah,
but yeah, you know, he.

Speaker 5 (01:52:02):
Kind of wound it down, finished the side and that
was it. But it was always like that. It was
like every other day there was something going on, but
to see him land and at that time, WRIF was
in a was in a trailer at the Channel seven studios,

(01:52:22):
so we landed.

Speaker 2 (01:52:24):
In this lot, you know, with the antennas and everything.

Speaker 5 (01:52:27):
I don't even know how he got these guys to
do this, but you know, I just I he was
my hero from then on out, you know, because I
learned so much war and you know how to get
under the skin of your competitor from that guy.

Speaker 2 (01:52:43):
That's amazing, no question.

Speaker 1 (01:52:45):
So before you get out of here, Doc, we do
have the audio that you mentioned about Gene Simmons. So
the setup for the story is that you interviewed to
kiss at one point in LA the genus called you
the doctor of for Doctor Detroit, and now you're getting
them on the phone again years later, and you're about
to bring up the fact that Hey, I'm doctor Detroit

(01:53:06):
basically Okay, so here we go.

Speaker 5 (01:53:08):
Oh are my friend, It's Doug Podell WCSX Detroit.

Speaker 3 (01:53:12):
Well, I'm deliriously happy and here we are an today
above grounds.

Speaker 2 (01:53:16):
That ain't so bad. You know, you gave me the
name doctor Detroit.

Speaker 5 (01:53:23):
When we did the Psycho Circus live worldwide broadcast and
I was so proud well for it.

Speaker 2 (01:53:30):
Yeah wow, Yeah, you guys flew me into that, you
remember that. And Ace Rayley was two hours late.

Speaker 3 (01:53:35):
Absolutely no absolutely. It's been four years, a million, millions
of people and signed autographs and all that stuff. Now, yeah,
I could lie to you.

Speaker 2 (01:53:48):
I could lie to you.

Speaker 3 (01:53:49):
Oh yeah, three o'clock in the afternoon where we went
in dot a Hamburger and you said no, no, but a.

Speaker 5 (01:53:58):
Ace was two hours late. You were pretty mad. You
were you weren't happy.

Speaker 3 (01:54:02):
Wait, wait, late late.

Speaker 2 (01:54:06):
All right, Well, gee tell me this while we're just
hanging out. So do you so the Eagles? Obviously Glenn
Fry is from here, right, so you've got the Glenn Fry.
Were you tight? Did you know Glenn Fry? You buddies
like I did know Glenn.

Speaker 5 (01:54:23):
Surprisingly, I knew Glenn better when I was in Cleveland
because he knew Michael Stanley.

Speaker 2 (01:54:28):
Yeah, that makes sense. He was a jock for you.
It was tight. Yeah, Michael Stanley was a jock for me.

Speaker 5 (01:54:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:54:33):
So, but when you were at w l Z, the
the Eagles were already dead because they broke up in
eighty after the Long Run and they were shut down
for fourteen years.

Speaker 2 (01:54:42):
We still played there, well.

Speaker 1 (01:54:44):
Sure, but you But what I was going for here
is so that means you were there, like Glenn Fry
needed you to play and he needs you to play.

Speaker 5 (01:54:51):
The heat is on and all that, and they had
Don Henley's solo album, so they came in.

Speaker 2 (01:54:55):
Timothy Schmidt came in.

Speaker 5 (01:54:58):
I used to do a lot of interviews in the
it's o'clock hour and with you know whoever, including Metallica,
who Metallica came in and that was the Kill Them
All album. New bass player Newsom, Dustin Chase, Jason, Jason Newsom.
And it's like, you know, six thirty in the evening,

(01:55:20):
still bright out summertime, and James is just dropping F
bombs left and right. And you know, I'm the PD
on top of me and the DJ, and you know,
I'm pretty pretty, you know, loose. But at one point
I said, you know, James, I mean, you got to
stop with the F bombs. You know, after the the

(01:55:44):
unwritten rule was after three, you'd better pull the plug
because then you could really be fined.

Speaker 2 (01:55:50):
Yah. So we're up to about nine.

Speaker 5 (01:55:54):
Now, and you know, I said, you know, and so
they continue to drop F bombs and we went to
spots and I said, listen, any more F bombs, I'm
going to have to ask you to leave. We come back,
you know, I mean within three words. It was, you know,
f bomb, and I had to throw Metallica out of

(01:56:17):
the studio. I said, you know, I stood up. I said,
you know, I've been pretty good about this, but b yes, man,
I said, well after that, they really loved me.

Speaker 2 (01:56:33):
I would. I would.

Speaker 5 (01:56:34):
We would go back and see Metallica, dog, what's up buddy?
You know, I think they respected that a little bit.
I don't know if they were playing.

Speaker 7 (01:56:43):
With me or what.

Speaker 1 (01:56:45):
Sometimes you know, were just pushing your buttons to see
what they can get away with.

Speaker 5 (01:56:48):
I mean, they became like my my family. They loved
my daughter, I mean she was like ten, and we
would go backstage.

Speaker 2 (01:56:55):
Hey, Lauren, what's happening?

Speaker 5 (01:56:58):
You know, and uh, they remember my family, my kids,
you know everything.

Speaker 1 (01:57:03):
So it turned out okay. So but at the time
I was a little very God, what's gonna happen tomorrow?
So obviously you made the decisions on a lot of music, right,
like you had to decide if this is.

Speaker 2 (01:57:14):
A hit or this isn't a hit.

Speaker 1 (01:57:15):
And I think I've asked you this before, but tell
me a song that you were convinced was a giant
hit that wasn't a hit. And tell me a song
the opposite that was you were like, this is a stiff,
this is terrible, and it becomes huge. Okay, turn Me
Loose from lover Boy would be one.

Speaker 2 (01:57:31):
You didn't like. Turn Me Loose, No, I didn't like.
You don't seem like.

Speaker 5 (01:57:34):
A lover Boy guy. No, I love lover Boy. I
looked at that band as an assault.

Speaker 1 (01:57:43):
Us.

Speaker 5 (01:57:45):
I know why Josh loves some movie exactly. And that
was the same album as The Weekend. I think it
worked for the Weekend.

Speaker 2 (01:57:51):
But the first song they you know, they always.

Speaker 5 (01:57:53):
Gave you the crappy song first to see if they
could get that going and then come back with it
that next one, and then the third one was going
to be the one that paid off.

Speaker 2 (01:58:04):
Well. I used to go through the records and go
for the third one first.

Speaker 5 (01:58:08):
You know, I'm not waiting around six months to play
the third single, you know, so I broke that rule
right away. But the other one was Rambling Man from
the Almond Brothers. That was not my version of the
Almond Brothers that I was very you know, high on,
but the consultants forced me to play it, you know. So,

(01:58:32):
but that one obviously became arguably their most iconic song.
So I was wrong, But for various reasons, I knew
it was a good song. I just didn't like that,
thinking that's it taken over the Almond brother.

Speaker 1 (01:58:46):
Do you recall ever, like you said, Joe Perry called said,
talk what are you doing? Do you recall having any
knockdown drag outs on the phone with an actual artist
about the songs? Like hey, why aren't you playing the song?
Type of deal or what's.

Speaker 2 (01:58:57):
What can I do to an artist?

Speaker 5 (01:58:59):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:58:59):
Never like Bob pick up the phone and he's like,
don't make me tell that story. Well wait a minute now.

Speaker 1 (01:59:07):
Now look Rob brand is banging on the door, but
I'm like listen, Rob Brad, and Rob Brandy's like I
got to get in here, and I'm like, well, no,
Doc is about to tell some story about Bob Seger
and he just rubbed his face when he did it.

Speaker 2 (01:59:19):
So there's something here, So do tell Doug. Here we are.

Speaker 1 (01:59:26):
This is interesting. People are glued to the radio. I
can't remember what song it was Breakdown. Well, it was
after that Shame on the Moon.

Speaker 2 (01:59:39):
It was after that.

Speaker 1 (01:59:41):
Chances are no it was a country so it was
kind of like a rock. It was rocker, but I
had just got to riff and the mantra was, is
we're moving on from all of this, and by this
you mean what like the the eighties, seventies, eighties, and

(02:00:03):
it's what we were talking.

Speaker 5 (02:00:03):
About earlier, you know, playing Nirvana. Now we're playing outs
and chains. You know, we've got these new bands like
uh seven Mary three and all this stuff. So the
new Bob Seeker came out and I didn't put it
on right away, okay, And for WRIF that was a

(02:00:29):
mortal sin because up until this point they had always
gotten an ad And it wasn't that I didn't like
Bob or didn't like the song. I was trying to
reinvent the radio station with a different sound. It was
the song called lock and Load. There it is, okay,
there we go, Lock and Load from the album. It's

(02:00:50):
a mystery the name of the al it. There we go,
Thank you Internet. So I get a call to go
upstairs and Gene m Consultants there and Bob's manager is there,
and uh, you know, so we had to I had
to explain myself as to why we weren't playing that

(02:01:13):
song first week out. I told them that I had
planned on getting to it, but that you know, I
had got to it right away.

Speaker 2 (02:01:23):
I was trying to show the industry that we were
a little different.

Speaker 5 (02:01:28):
Now, you know that our expectations were a little different,
the music that we were going to be focusing on
was going to be a little different, and not everything
was automatic. And my my general manager, respected that, Tom Bender,
he was a great, great, great general manager.

Speaker 2 (02:01:50):
But Punch did not.

Speaker 5 (02:01:54):
But you know, we we we reasonably had a good conversation.
We you know, hashed it out and I did. I
went back and we added the record.

Speaker 2 (02:02:06):
Did Bob ever call you no? No, Bob didn't call
him no.

Speaker 5 (02:02:11):
But you know, I mean, I wasn't trying to be
a dick about it, you know, I was trying to,
like I said, reinvent the radio station.

Speaker 2 (02:02:21):
And uh, that was just kind of a hiccup.

Speaker 5 (02:02:25):
I guess along the way, I probably, in hindsight, should
have just put it in and.

Speaker 2 (02:02:30):
Shut my mouth, you know what I mean. But you
can't do that. We ended up playing No.

Speaker 1 (02:02:36):
You're right, because if you ever talked to Doug off
the air about things, you'll see that Doug is a
fire brand whenever you're talking with him off the air.

Speaker 2 (02:02:44):
Don't be fooled by his docile to me, did you
see that?

Speaker 5 (02:02:48):
At the party, people are talking about how this is
the new kinder gentler.

Speaker 4 (02:02:52):
Dudell working against him for a competitor. Everybody feared the man,
so like I would sit in meetings where Label would
come in and we'd be like, hey, we want to
present some on the show, you know, and they'd be like,
you can't, Like Hodell won't play our record.

Speaker 2 (02:03:07):
If if we do anything special for you guys.

Speaker 5 (02:03:09):
So now no, I can be arrested for that. Now
I'd be sued.

Speaker 2 (02:03:17):
Yeah. Yeah, it's a little different these days.

Speaker 5 (02:03:19):
But Bob, if I've never said it, I'm sorry, I'm
so sorry.

Speaker 2 (02:03:27):
I didn't play it right away.

Speaker 5 (02:03:29):
But we did play it, and it wasn't his biggest hit. No,
it wasn't got to number twenty two on the rock charts,
So you weren't wrong, Doug. Ladies and gentlemen, that is
the great doc of rock that has Doug Podell. And
this is his last day on the radio until he
comes back to do a weekend shift, you know, on
Tuesday or whatever. Maybe this should have just been my
last shift.

Speaker 10 (02:03:51):
I realized you have, you.

Speaker 2 (02:03:55):
Know, six o'clock tonight. I got no sleep.

Speaker 5 (02:03:59):
I'm hung over her from a Toys for Tots party.
That is, I don't know that anyone has ever actually
uttered that sentence before, hung.

Speaker 1 (02:04:06):
Over toys for Look at the toys that collected at
this toy to party.

Speaker 2 (02:04:13):
Welcome, Welcome to Detroit. Yeah, the open bar there at
the Toys Boy.

Speaker 1 (02:04:18):
All right, So Doug will be on at two o'clock
this afternoon, and all the girls he's loved before will
be there, including Leeda Ford and uh maybe Stevie Nicks
will call. Maybe some men he's loved before. He loves
Billy Squire from what I understand.

Speaker 5 (02:04:33):
You know, you know asting had pretty good uh you know,
rock relationship, but no relationship.

Speaker 1 (02:04:42):
But Patty smythe Scandal, that's that feels up your alley?
So how did you think Scandal rocked? But you didn't
think like Lover Boy rocked. It's all the same eighties
poppy rock stuff. Well, she was way better looking than Mike.

Speaker 2 (02:04:57):
That's the warrior? Was that a good bye to the
Warrior and goodbye to you?

Speaker 3 (02:05:02):
Is?

Speaker 2 (02:05:03):
The other Scandal song was a bit let's play that,
you know what? I will you know what? Casey to
get that for my show.

Speaker 1 (02:05:09):
I will I will play Scandal, Patty Smythe and Scandal.

Speaker 2 (02:05:12):
I will tell you. I say, you're listening, Casey, what
do you have to lose? You don't care. You literally
could shut the door like it's Shaw Shank and play
whatever you told me I could.

Speaker 5 (02:05:20):
And I said, you know, really, I don't care, Casey,
I don't need to. It's okay. I don't want to
wreck the ratings.

Speaker 2 (02:05:28):
Listen.

Speaker 1 (02:05:28):
I'll be honest with you, Doug. You can't wreck them
any worse than they already are. My friend, Come on,
this is Doug's jam right here. We'll scandal. Say you
like that, but you don't like lover Boy.

Speaker 5 (02:05:39):
Listen.

Speaker 2 (02:05:40):
Listen to that rack guitar right there. That's a good jam.

Speaker 1 (02:05:43):
I'm not trying to bang on Patty Smythe here, but
that's a good tune.

Speaker 2 (02:05:47):
Goodbye to You is a good tune. How did you
find that so fair? Well, here's the thing. I know
a trick. So there's a trick. I have it.

Speaker 1 (02:05:56):
First of all, it's called being on the radio live.
I have the ability to grab the thing's pretty fast.
Not a lot of people are doing that. But I
found the the iHeart thing that goes across the country.
So I have access to every song I know.

Speaker 5 (02:06:09):
Right, that's what I do. I have a gift. I
type fast and good. Can we play I Want to
Be Your Dog by the Stooges.

Speaker 2 (02:06:18):
Well, let's hold on, let's see what we should have
done it. I should have came in at six. Yeah,
let me see it. Now.

Speaker 1 (02:06:26):
There may not be everything possible, but I mean there's
most songs. No dogs need you to sit in with him,
so you can bring up all his music that he
wants to play.

Speaker 2 (02:06:33):
That Casey, that program yeah, okay, so I'll see it
operates that slow.

Speaker 4 (02:06:39):
So this is this is good.

Speaker 5 (02:06:43):
Poor Casey Dagger right now going, oh God.

Speaker 1 (02:06:46):
Think about Casey, thinking about poor Rob Brandt.

Speaker 2 (02:06:48):
He's so angry right now. He's that on yet it
is well, I mean it's not yet because I'm still here.

Speaker 1 (02:06:55):
But anyway, so all right, okay, hold on, thank you.
If I name a band or an artist, you tell
me that your favorite song of theirs. Okay, I'm gonna
put you on the spot. I know your brain's not
gonna work because you're hungover from the Toys for Tots.
Event totally get it, right, I Eagles go, I take

(02:07:16):
it easy, all right, Bob Seeger, Hollywood Knights, Alice Cooper,
The Ballad of Dwight Fry, Sponge.

Speaker 2 (02:07:27):
Waxes, Static, Shoot Man Man. Look.

Speaker 1 (02:07:30):
A lot of people it takes them time to think
of these things. But you you know who is your
favorite band?

Speaker 2 (02:07:35):
Ronnie James Dio? What is your favorite Doo song? Last
in Line, Last in Life?

Speaker 1 (02:07:41):
So you're a much harder rocker than like you like
Dio goes hard like You're not God.

Speaker 2 (02:07:46):
You are not a pop rock guy. I love Ronnie
James deal. He was the greatest guy too.

Speaker 5 (02:07:52):
I mean he was just so friendly, remembered everything you
talked about from the year before, you know, I asked
about your family. I mean, just a joy to be
around backstage. There was none of this. Don't look at him,
don't talk to him, don't touch him, don't breathe you know. Uh.

Speaker 2 (02:08:13):
He was just great. How about stones well, believe it
or not, Satisfaction is still one of my favorites. All good?

Speaker 5 (02:08:22):
What about the doors when the music's over? Are you
a doors guys at your wheelhouse too?

Speaker 2 (02:08:28):
I like the doors? All right, let's see here, let's
go with the almonds.

Speaker 3 (02:08:33):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (02:08:34):
In memory of Elizabeth Reid.

Speaker 1 (02:08:36):
See, I love to see you go getting in there.
You're getting in the crevices. I'm a peripheral guy.

Speaker 2 (02:08:41):
Like I'm like, you know what I like? I like
Amanda like that.

Speaker 3 (02:08:45):
You know.

Speaker 2 (02:08:45):
You know what else I like? I like the new radicals. See,
I know you brought this up the other day, but
you were like, there was there's some song. What about that?
There's one new radical song? Like no one knows the
other guy? You know, I met that guy. He's the
local guy with right Alexander.

Speaker 5 (02:09:01):
Uh. This is a pretty heartfelt story because it really
touched me. I'm at a Eddie Money concert at.

Speaker 2 (02:09:09):
What's the best song? You feel like? Yours would be
like give me some water?

Speaker 1 (02:09:15):
That was it.

Speaker 2 (02:09:16):
I figured, I figured that's a good one.

Speaker 1 (02:09:18):
I enjoy the I want to go back rock and
roll something I like sell out like eighties with thrownets,
you know those are my type of jams.

Speaker 2 (02:09:27):
Walk on water and uh and what's the I want
to go back? And that's a good one.

Speaker 5 (02:09:32):
I love.

Speaker 2 (02:09:32):
I want to go back.

Speaker 5 (02:09:33):
But anyway, I'm at Selfridge air Base and there's an
Eddie Money concert that we're sponsoring, and uh an the
mc blah blah blah, And this guy comes up to
me and I'm behind the fence and he wants to
meet me, and I walk over and I go, yeah,

(02:09:53):
I'm Doug and he goes, I'm Greg, Greg Alexander. He goes,
I got this new record, you know, and this band
and didn't. I go, Man, i've heard it. I go,
I love it, but I can't play it. And he goes,
that's all right, man, he goes, I just wanted to
meet you. And it was the only time I ever
met him. Uh, you know, he understood that we really

(02:10:15):
weren't going to be able to play his song, and
it was kind of sad because it was a really
good song.

Speaker 2 (02:10:23):
Yeah, you only get what you get. Yeah, it's a
great song. I love that song. Yeah, but it didn't
fit us, you know, oh yeah for the riff and stuff,
right an alternative Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (02:10:32):
So but I just, you know, I just you know,
we I said, well, come around this side of the fence,
and you know, so we hung out and watched Eddie
Money and had a few beers and I never saw
him again. And then I saw that he won all
these Grammys when he went to LA and I, you know,
I had always kind of wished that. You know, I

(02:10:53):
could have pulled the trigger for him, because you know
he's a detriter, right, Yeah, so I think a gross pointer.

Speaker 4 (02:11:01):
If I'm not, I think have conversation lasting about him.
I started doing some research and that's wow. I didn't
realize he was from.

Speaker 2 (02:11:07):
That's where I grew up.

Speaker 5 (02:11:09):
So you know, I always wanted to help the hometown guys,
you know, as much as I can. It was a
big part of my entire career was working on those
jam But every time my wife and hear me play this,
they can't believe this is like my song.

Speaker 2 (02:11:27):
It's a great song. It's an awesome, awesome girl I
dated her dad looked so yeah, and she hated it.

Speaker 1 (02:11:33):
I'm like, this is a jam you should and this
should be this last song you played today. I thought
about that a few times.

Speaker 5 (02:11:40):
Trust me, I've I've vacillated over what that last song
is going to be.

Speaker 1 (02:11:44):
I don't want to spoil because I'm sure you've thought
of this. I mean, they're an obvious ones like here's
fade to Black.

Speaker 2 (02:11:48):
Unless you're going to.

Speaker 5 (02:11:49):
Play fade to Black, I'm going to be playing a
much more sad, sappy song.

Speaker 2 (02:11:54):
Josh's Alley.

Speaker 1 (02:11:55):
Yeah, we're going to be playing The Living Years by
Mike and the Mechanics and the Hotel show.

Speaker 2 (02:12:01):
Something sad here like me and little Andy. Uh.

Speaker 5 (02:12:04):
Well, you know before they called me the docer Rock.
For a while, Drew and Mike used to call me
Dance and Doug. I'd always be bringing in these songs,
you know, these little poppy songs and uh and I
used to host wild Woodies, so it was like New
Year's Eve every Wednesday, and we would do the homemade

(02:12:25):
bikini contest.

Speaker 2 (02:12:27):
You don't want to do that on this station. I
don't think.

Speaker 5 (02:12:30):
I don't think you could do that anywhere in this city.
I just talk about being arrested. I just don't think
physics would work in town that would do this. Aerodynamics
wouldn't work on the homemade bikini contest. Is one girl
wore fruit loops. Wow, those strips, fruit strips, and they

(02:12:51):
started to melt.

Speaker 2 (02:12:53):
I'm excited. Yeah, you love you would have loved it.
I'm all into that, thank you very much. But anyway,
so his last show, his last song, Hey, I appreciate
you guys.

Speaker 1 (02:13:10):
I'm gonna miss you so much up here because that
it's just me, him and Casey, and all he talked about.

Speaker 2 (02:13:14):
Is Uncle God. I'm gonna miss Doug. That's all I
keep saying. I'm gonna miss Doug. I can't believe he's
only got two days left and now it's over. I'm like,
I'm gonna be here. No, you're fine, but I'm gonna
miss two.

Speaker 5 (02:13:23):
You guys are doing great. By the way, he's certifiable
and you're an enabler.

Speaker 2 (02:13:32):
I'm like, okay, what's he doing. Okay, let me do it.
I finally realized you're an enabler.

Speaker 3 (02:13:39):
You know.

Speaker 2 (02:13:39):
It's like I gotta I got an idea, do it.
Let's do it. So anyway, that is the great Doug Podell.
Everybody see you later, Doug.

Speaker 1 (02:13:49):
And by the way, Doug's like forever turned down podcasts
and everything you've never wanted to do interviews, like even
when this guy did the whole history of Riff that
you were not interviewed on that we just talked to
you for two hours and just now about an hour
straight without anything. So basically we've done the first podcast
really ever with Doug Podell today, like the history I
won't know it.

Speaker 2 (02:14:08):
I I well, I had issues Beef with you.

Speaker 5 (02:14:14):
You know, I'm starting to let those go now though.
See my zen is coming. Well, Rob Brand's got a knife, so.

Speaker 2 (02:14:23):
We got Yeah, he's probably key.

Speaker 5 (02:14:26):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (02:14:27):
We love you to get thank you, thank you so much.
We'll be seeing you this afternoon and listening this afternoon.
The final show for the doc. We will see you Monday.

Speaker 10 (02:14:35):
This is the Josh Innis Show on one six point
seven double ll Z Detroit.

Speaker 2 (02:14:41):
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