May 4, 2023 • 51 mins
Rafa and Joe G are joined by the Golden Boy to discuss the previous season, including the Playoff series with New York, and prepare for the summer ahead.
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Speaker 1 (00:19):
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Speaker 2 (00:28):
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Speaker 3 (00:43):
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Speaker 5 (00:48):
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Speaker 2 (01:07):
You tuned in to Wine and Gold Radio.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
Give me that now you're your host Rafa and Joji.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Yo. Hey everybody, Hey, and welcome to the season finale
wrap up edition of Wine and Gold Radio. What do
you mean when do we start wrapping up?
Speaker 4 (01:35):
Moment that game?
Speaker 3 (01:37):
I didn't. I've been in pain ever since. I am
Joji and he is Adez Brito's seated to the right,
which is wrong, as we all know. So how you felt?
First of all, I have to ask you? Are you
happy that your New York Yankees beat your Cleveland Guardian?
What do you reading more now on?
Speaker 4 (01:59):
Right now? I'm rooting for the Guardians.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
The Guardians.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Of course, I was thinking of my loyalty is always
to the guy that have my back right now. The
Guardians have my back every two weeks. So I'm with
the guards And and not only that, the Yankees never
the Yankees never paying me a penny. They actually costs
me a ton of money, a misery. So I don't
have an.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Aud okay, no real loyalty.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
Other day with a fine heart.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
When people that like, like when they heard I was
doing the Guardians in Spanish, They're like, oh my god,
you're a Yankean. So why you think everybody that does
gain for teams like grew up calling, like rooting for
those teams.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
You heard did you hear the Rosie story about his
kids to be in the band?
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Yeah, yeah, Michael Okay was thrashing. That was a great story.
He's gonna play in a band.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
The thing like Rosa is like Anthony Rizzo now and
they have a friendship going.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
Rosi's son is the.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Visiting team bad Boys.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
He has long hair.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
And I was doing that game and and I didn't
say anything on the air because obviously I don't know
how many people understand that, but as a Yankee fan,
I know that long hair or hair showing out of
the helmet it's like a big no no to me
as a lifelong Yankee fan.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
He jumped out right like off the screen. The moment I.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Saw it, it's like, God, damn, that doesn't look you know,
because it never happened before.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
And it did the Michael O Kay as well. Now,
but next door Michael Kay was talking trash.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
He was just going like, oh my god, you know
stein Burner, he's violating the coat, was like this ant
and Rosie was next door to and I know Rosie
in the booths next to him, and he was like, hey,
come on.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
That's my kid.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
That's a great story.
Speaker 4 (03:39):
But Reza, the first baseman, is a really cool dude.
Kind of started talking with the guy.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
And obviously it's not a bad boy like we used
to know, like a like a ten year old bad boy.
He's an adult, right, And they started talking to he's
a parent, that he's a rocker, and I get the kid.
I forgot his name, the Roses kids. He brought him
a T shirt and he put it on and took
a picture with him. And he's gonna open for a
band in New York later this summer that he's gonna
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play live his band. I mean Rose's son's band is
gonna play in New York. That's that's really because because
of all this that came up with Michael Kay talking
trash or trying to say like he was violating cause.
And I gotta say, really cool of him because the
next day he talked, he talked the hair and inside
the helmet.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
Oh he did. Yeah, just out of respect for that,
cause it is the rule, I mean, you know, and
I love that the Yankees do that and it held
it up. You know, every rule changes everybody kind of band,
but the Yankee.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
Will never change rules.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
No Celtics facial hair mosach yes you can bear or
hair showing out your helmet. And you know when when
the Yankees traded for Bucky Bucky Bleeping then yeah, yeah Steinberner,
George the Boss was waiting for him with that barber
when he came in for the presentation, because you know,
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Buckie then used to have the hair showing out of
the yeah, throwing out of his helmet. So I love
it and I love the fact that they have talked
to that tradition, unlike the Celtics, who great hour but
used to say when he was alive that over his
dead body they were going to have dancers at the
Celtics game, and the year he died, the Celtics introduced
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the dancing team.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
Well, I can't say I'm totally opposed to that. I
was thinking also that New York, which you and I
both lived in for a few years, and I love
New York and for the most part, I like New
York sports teams. I'm not a New York anti sports
teams kind of guy. But I also thought that the
Yankees knocked the Guards out of the playoffs last year
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when Naylor racked the baby yep and the Knicks obviously
knocked us out of the playoffs, this just this last week.
And then I also thought the one loss that really
kind of mess the Browns up. I think there were
seven and nine last year the Jets. The Jets loss, Yeah,
that was the one that just man like, how could
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they have lost that one? That was one they probably
stuck in their crass. So it was a rough, rough
year against New York man.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Yeah, And I had to tell you this two things
as a New Yorker, because I considered myself a New Yorker.
I came to this country straight to New York, and
I lived there for over thirty years, and and and
even though Cleveland is my home, you know, I'm.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
From New York.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
I was surprised about not only how long the Knicks
I have sucked for for a period of time, and
you know, because I was there in the nineties, when
you win and starts and all those old school like
when you talk about old school basketball, that's the next
The next series is against Indiana and the Miami and.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
Chicago and Detroit.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
I was surprised to see these kids, obviously have never
seen the team do well, like celebrating game one or
Game two victory outside of my Soon Square Garden on
Seventh Avenue and talking tries. But hey, you know, fans
different breathe, yeah, and I gotta give it to them.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
But I got to give it to them. And I'm
gonna probably chease some people off. Normally you're the guy
that pisses off Calves fans, but I'm going to do
it today. Calves fans are great. They're some of the
best in the league.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
I would like I would like a description.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
I mean either way, but I mean I think they're great.
They show up and when we were the Caves are loyal,
They're loyal. When the Calves were bad, the fans showed up.
So I don't want to bash Kaz fans. I love
Cavs fans, but the Cavaliers need to turn it up
next year a notch. When we were in Madison Square Garden,
that's where the Caves crowd needs to get to. Let
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me tell you, I hate to give credit to you know.
I mean people are going to be pissed off because
they hate New York give it, but you got to
give credit what credit is due. That crowd was definitely
on tip off. From tip off, they were loud as hell.
I mean it was if the Calves try and say
that they were rattled for going into Game.
Speaker 4 (08:02):
Three, both teams were rattled like it was.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
It was I'm going to use the word that everybody's
using these days for the crowd. It was electric.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
It was It's.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Always been like that or New York fans are a
special it's a special breeze. And I have to tell
you we do have loyal fans, great fans. We do
also have fans that don't watch the game. I think
most of our fans are more more more looking forward
to what they're gonna get thrown at in the timeout
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and and and you know, in the garden don't have
anybody telling them what to do.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
And I think.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
That's what they don't have those kind of tests. They
don't know what we need to get to.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
We need to get to the point where fans, like
I always I don't want to say criticize, but I
always noted that our fans go down with the when
the team goes down, and and that when we're down twenty,
it's when we need the thing that the people to
get loud and and then to feel that atmosphere that
we felt that management's square. And that is not why
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we lost a series before Before they start hitting me
on social media and I'm blaming that, I'm blaming the fans,
But the same difference that we had on the court
in terms of basketball play, in terms of hustle, in
terms of want anymore, in terms of whatever you want
to put that difference, that big difference that was on
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the court, it wasn't the stands as well. And that
is something that you have to admit, and you have
to say I hate to say that, man, And and and.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
It is clear that we didn't show up in the stands.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
Yet they needed. We need to turn it up.
Speaker 4 (09:34):
We do.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
The people started booing a little early and uh b,
you know, I mean, I don't ever want to say this.
Be more like Browns fans because transparents are the worst
humans on the planet. Man. But uh and I consider
myself one, by the way, But uh B, but listen
more wild man, the gaps one next year, be you're
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part of the You're part of it. The next crowd
was part of the game, and they did the game.
That's what the Cavs face. We need to come up
with something that to do that. But we need to
come up with.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
Something that is generic and symbolic of Cleveland Stands for example,
in New York.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
The all they do is with the organ.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
They're going bank and everybody knows defense, right the defense.
They don't play the rap beat in the in between
when the team have the ball, everybody's watching the game like,
they start doing their things without anybody telling them what
to do. They started singing, h what's any of that
song in animal House? Hey, they started celebrating, they started
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chanting the Barretts name.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
They changing.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
And also they're obnoxious. I mean they're jerks on top
of it, they are, But maybe that's what you know.
And there was also a lot of like after Game five,
there was a lot of jerkish behavior by our fans
and their fans. After Game five, I noticed a lot.
I mean I saw, I witnessed the firsthand, which was uncool.
(11:04):
But let me just say that, yeah, I mean, next year,
next year, man, the crowd needs to be part of
the environment.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
It needs to be one advice. One advice, work for
fans over any city. New York doesn't suck. The Knicks
suck if you want to say that. Cleveland doesn't suck.
The Caps suck if you want to say that. Understanding,
but like from being from both cities, like you know,
the city has nothing to do with the team in
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terms of like sucking.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
That's very true. No, I agree, I agree, but it's
that's what they're gonna chant. But like when I hear
people say New York sucks, it's like it doesn't doesn't.
It really doesn't suck. It doesn't suck, and the people
know that. But I mean, it's it's it's fun for
people to chant. It's fun for people to chan. Let's
talk a little bit about the about the series itself.
(11:54):
The bench obviously was didn't play as well as they
would have hoped. I think that really killed them in
a lot of ways. I don't think overall, I just
don't think they were ready for the intensity. They said
they were ready, they weren't ready. I don't think it
was okay because they're kids. They are you know.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
I don't think it was that it wasn't ready because
I think they were ready.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
We saw them get ready. We saw and prepared with
they were ready.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
What happens was all that youth or like Tony, like
Joe Pete would say, the youth, the youth, all the
youth that we celebrated during the season and got us
to fifty one wins. You know, he hit us right
in the ass in the playoffs because we are looking
at teams that have been there and done that. And
for fans, we are not happy with the way it ended.
Speaker 4 (12:40):
I hate the way it ended. But it's not like
we did.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
It's not like we thought that we went we were
going to make a championship run this year. And for
fans to or for anybody, for critics, for people in
the sports talk to start talking about the Caps sock
and Donova Mitchell suck, is that they don't know, especially
what they're talking about, because.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
It's a process.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
This is a guy, this is a team that was
at nineteen wins and twenty two the forty four And
for anybody to be upset that we're out of the playoff, yes,
we're upset because the way it ended, but it's a
reality that now My faith is with Kobe Oltman and
Mike Gansey and the rest of the front office and
the coaching staff that they continue to do the job
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that they have been doing and continue the climb to
where we want to get to do fifty one wins.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
Only six teams.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Did that this year in the NBA, so you can
throw that away. You got to learn, and.
Speaker 4 (13:35):
Especially all these media people that have been talking.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
About growth and learning and all that, like all of
a sudden, they forget that this wasn't the biggest lesson
of the year, like the things that they need to
do now, and how the regular season is different to
the playoffs, and how there are guys that will each
possessions it's important and you cannot take possessions off. And
you know, we thought that because the game was a
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half core game in the play off, it's gonna benefit us.
But then we realize also that in the playoffs, the
half core game, that means that you're fighting inside the
phone booth, and and and and and the passing lanes
are close quicker, and and and and there's a guy
that is hungrier, and and the Knicks had the bad
tape for loosening to the Hawks whatever whenever. It was
a couple of years ago. So it all adds up
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to the way it ended. Nobody is happy. None of
those guys are happy with the way it ended. But
I'm telling you right now, all of those guys are
working already and things that they need to get better
at to to come back next season and give it
another run. And the expectations are going to be higher,
and and and and and.
Speaker 4 (14:38):
And they got to be ready for that, right And
I'm sure they will.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
But do not discard the work that is that has
that was done this year towards what we're looking to
get to, which is a championship.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
I was gonna say to fire the entire front office
and coaching staff and trade all the players, but I
changed my Now I've changed my mind, and I think
they to your point, it's it's a progression. The NBA
more than any other sport. In football, you can kind
of come out of nowhere and win a Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (15:05):
It's happened.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
But in basketball, over the years, you've proved the Pistons
bang their head on the Celtics, then the Bulls bang
their head on the Pistons. Then you know, I mean,
this is the way it works, you know, I mean,
the Spurs had to go through the Lakers, then the
you know, I mean it just you got to bang
your head on it a long time in the NBA
to get anywhere. And the Calves are making progress, good progress,
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year to year progress. And also you got to remember
when you love the Donovan Mitchell trade. I love it,
you do. I think everybody in Cleveland loves it, But
you had to know that the side effect of it
is the cupboard's going to be kind of bear a
little bit. We have the number, we have the number
forty nine overall pick in this draft. It's not that great,
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but you have to realize when you trade for a
guy like Donovan Mitchell, for a talent like that that
you're going to it's going to be harder to build
from the throwing up a little bit. So I think
we have to just be a little patient. You have
to have faith. Look at what Kobe Oman has done.
That's what he's done so far, bringing the pieces. You
cannot give up on Jared Allen. You cannot give up
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on Eva Mauvely. You cannot give up on Ricky Rubio
who came in on his fing his first year before
he got hurt from the Olympics, and he was in
rithom and and he show what he can do. Nobody
in that front office was surprised.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
To see what Ricky Ruber was able to do or
not able to do this season because he was gone
from for a year and then he came into a
team that was doing really well and had to jump
into it. It's like jumping into a moving train and
trying to land on your feet.
Speaker 4 (16:40):
And and and he caught up to him.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
Right, if you had Ricky from twenty one twenty two,
we do the bench whoil do much better. Everything would
have changed, really, you know, the second unit would have changed.
Everything would have changed.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
And again it's everybody's acted surprise about the death. That's
the depth that got us to fifty one wins. It's
just that in the playoff it gets tougher, and you know,
the moment of the playoff came in and dim Way
wasn't having a good moment, and which happens all season long.
Speaker 4 (17:15):
You know, you have one and.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Off everybody said, oh Donova Mitchell. Yeah, but Donava Mitchell
had had a special coverage because the Knicks said, you
know what, everybody's nobody's gonna anybody can beat us, but Mitchell,
especially after he put up thirty eight in the second
game too. So it's basketball, this playoff basketball. And I
don't understand how people are willing to give up on
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on on J. B. Baker Staff, for example, with the
way that this guy has built.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
And he has to learn too. He has to get
better next year. He has, of course, but you know
that doesn't mean you get rid of him. I'm not
saying that. I'm saying I'm talking to.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
What you hear about what I understand.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
I understand the passion, but like you should passion in
a different way. Nobody thought or nobody wrote anything about
even when I was asked, like what was your expectation
going into the season, that just ended to me like
being the top in the top six was the goal. Right,
that's a realistic goal and then maybe, okay, if you
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win a series, then anything can happen.
Speaker 4 (18:14):
But the reality sets in.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
And now you have got look at the teams that
are left right now, and they is Boston went to
the finals last season. Philadelphia has been going through the process.
They named the process, right. The m v P is
the pro the media m VP is the process. The
Knicks giving it a second run, right, and then the Heat.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
Who hate them? The Heat them, I hate, but it's
so good.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
They went to they went to the bubble, they went
to the finals, and they think they have a consistency
in the coaching and in the front office. Yeah, we
we are missing all of those pieces except for the
consistency right well, I mean again, JB is still yeah,
but that's what you need to create a system, to
create a program that that is going to be successful
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in consistency right with you. And you need the culture
that JB has able to instill in with the coaching stuff.
And then on the other side, you have Denver who's
been with the bubble and and and the real MVP
in Nicola Jokic. You have the Lakers who have that
dude that have never looked for you around, you know,
and and you know Ruimura and and and Austin Reesman,
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he's making himself at the NBA.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
Right.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
And then on the other series you have you know,
the Sons who are now hitting the reality of that
you need a bench, even if even if you have
superstars in the studying nine ups. And then uh and
and who's the other team I'm missing? Uh and the
Warriors defy champions. It's like, right, you don't get here
just by like, come on, guys, yeah, don't suck.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
Right, I agree, Like I said, you got to bang
your head. The one thing I hope is that you know,
they say it's it's a lesson. They learned a lesson
and it's a hard lesson, which I agree. I hope
it was the hardest lesson they could get. The best
thing they could have gotten. If you want to learn
a lesson was what they got.
Speaker 4 (20:10):
A whoop, a beat, a whooping.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
Yeah about physical being. If they don't know what the
playoffs are about after what just happened, then they're slow
learners because that's playoffs one on one right there.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
Now, Lebron knows how to turn it another not you
have to turn the switch on when you come back
from the All Star break. Look at Jimmy Butler. He's
a different thing. But that's what they're getting right now. Yeah,
you know, and that's what Yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
So I think what's going to be difficult next year
is a regular season. Now, your first regular season after
this is going to be hard because.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
No, but that's the lesson though it's two different things.
You have to be ready for both, but you also
have to you know, a lot of teams. There's also
this lesson that you don't start where you finished last year.
You don't begive you you were the fourth seed last year,
doesn't mean you start at the fourth seedon No, no, no,
you've got to start over from the bottom. Everybody else
we already accomplished that. A regular season, you have, but
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now you've got to do it again. Yes, and now
you've got to be ready for the game is going
to change once you make the playoffs. And that's why
I mean when when I say the expectation is not
going to be high.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
I always think it gets hid.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
If there were fans out there looking for the Cap
to win the Eastern Conference this season, imagine next.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
So well again, but expectations go up now, but they
have to. So you got to be better, and you
gotta be much better in the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (21:28):
So now a year older old, these kids, right.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
A year older. And I'm looking at the draft I
was looking at this morning, and you know Indiana has
three first rounders, right, might have the number one overall
pick Wemby Wemby. So uh, it's gonna get tougher next year.
So they got to get tougher. And I know Isaiah
Evan Mobley's kind of building his gym in his house.
Now he's gonna be evil Mobile. That's what we next year,
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to be evil Mobile. That's what we need. Hey, speaking
of youughtes you speaking of the utes. Let's bring in
our friend and who probably aged a couple of years
this this this season. He came in as a young
whipper snapper and now he's an old grizzled veteran although
he still has his playoff hair. I still have my
playoff beard, so I shouldn't say anything the Golden Boy, elm.
Speaker 4 (22:17):
Going, it's still the hair. Yeah, sounds like a beer
man that you should.
Speaker 6 (22:24):
But you have a did you have a connection to like?
Speaker 3 (22:25):
Yes? Like and asked him to make a yeah, ask
him make Golden Golden Boy beer. Yeah, be pretty sweet.
Speaker 4 (22:32):
For that.
Speaker 3 (22:35):
So, Golden Boy, what are your thoughts on that was
your first real playoff series as a Cavelier employee. You
had to play in last year. But that was quick
and it was quick, and it doesn't count. It doesn't
really count, right, It's like it's like it never happened.
So your first playoff series, it was a tough one.
How do you how do you feel?
Speaker 4 (22:53):
Tough one? It was? It was?
Speaker 6 (22:54):
It was I mean it was a ton of fun.
Speaker 7 (22:57):
I mean obviously like being a native Cleveland running have
sand and all that, Like, it was really cool to
be in it from like from the business side as
opposed to just having the fan side, you know, kind
of angle to it. I mean, I'm not gonna lie
sitting up in the in the in the bowl right
before Game one with all the hype videos and stuff
like that.
Speaker 6 (23:17):
Like I got pretty emotional.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
It's cool.
Speaker 4 (23:18):
I was like, holy, do you have anything to do
with the hype videos?
Speaker 6 (23:21):
Not not me personally.
Speaker 4 (23:22):
I was gonna ask you, how come you don't include
one of my calls?
Speaker 1 (23:25):
And yeah, man, yeah, who do who do we bring.
Speaker 6 (23:29):
The Probably probably probably like D Max team. I think
they do some of the stuff.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
Well they like talk get right on it. And you
had your playoff here going, and you thought you were
gonna come out of this looking like Fabio and instead
now you got to go get your mullet done. You
get your playoff mullet. I know I've been a shame.
Speaker 7 (23:54):
I've been, uh you know, like like like you mentioned
a couple of minutes ago, like still kind of sad.
Speaker 6 (24:00):
In the morning and all that kind of stuff about this.
But I don't know. You got how we book a
vacation and then once I do, then.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
I want to see some vacation.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
Now, can I ask you a question? But you YouTube,
you know, we always talk about all.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
Those floaties that you put in.
Speaker 4 (24:19):
We always talk.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
About how people say, you know that your name is
not in the in the score sheet, so you shouldn't
care that that that you lose it bothers.
Speaker 4 (24:31):
You man, come on, yeah, yeah, yeah, I can't say that,
like you know.
Speaker 7 (24:35):
Yeah it does and and like I just said, you know,
having the fan aspect attached to it is part of it,
but also like being in it, and you know, you know,
Joji like being in it on the road a couple
of times and being at practice and shoot around seemingly
every day. You know, you're at the practice court, you know,
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coming in here a couple of hours before tips, staying
in here a couple of hours after the buzzer goes off.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
Like you're you're in it.
Speaker 6 (25:03):
You're always invested basketball, You're invested. You have this.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
It's family, this is your family.
Speaker 7 (25:08):
After always on mentality, Yeah, you know, we become you know,
so close, I've gotten closer to you guys do the
season and and you know, my team upstairs in the office.
It's like it's it's a big it's it's commitment for
and it's you know, it's not for you know, it's
not like the NFL where you're playing a game a week.
And now sure, I don't know what the schedule is
(25:29):
inside out in the NFL, but you know it's seven
it's seven months in.
Speaker 4 (25:34):
This, you know what I mean.
Speaker 7 (25:36):
You know, you have the three week like training camp,
preseason media day thing before the season starts, and like
it's it's there's so much, you know, more to it
than just putting a video on YouTube, article or a
tweet or something like. It's it's you know, it's it's
more than that. So yeah, and you're with and also
you're with the team. You're part of the team. I
(25:57):
mean when it's when push comes to shove, you're part
of the team.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
You know. Like the one time I always remember is
I always go back to the twenty sixteen finals. It's
like the media was there all year, all the Beat
reporters were right there, the same where we were. But
when the locker room was closed for champagne time, we
were the ones in there, you know what I mean,
We're the team. It's like, so that's why I do.
(26:22):
I'm with you. I take it personally. Yeah, when we lose,
it hurt bothers me.
Speaker 4 (26:26):
Man personally, it bothers me. It still bothers me. It
bothered me.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Until we were serious, right, don't know until we win,
not serious again. You know, it's like it's nature.
Speaker 4 (26:38):
It is normal.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
And that's why you know, I don't know if you
are aware. But I got into No, I didn't get
into it, but I made a comment on a post
by the ESPN Radio with like the Cleveland the Cleveland
made man. I'm for New York, dude. You don't tell
me you've made in Cleveland. He made riz.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
I'm a maide man in New York sold hammer.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
So and I like Tony, but when that's why that
the reaction to the to the post, because it bothers
me because.
Speaker 4 (27:07):
These are my guys, you know, And I seen the
post he was saying, you know.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
Cavalier sock JB because the alfrotation sock. Don't know a
Mitchell socks. I'm like, you know, they don't suck. We
got beaten and nobody likes to lose. But it bothers
me because I see these guys working their asses off
every day and and somebody was better than us, and
only one guy wins, and and so don't jump off
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the wagon and then come running again when we got
when we go back, when you hear the Caps are
winning again and you want to talk about it, and
and again, you know, don't tell me this. I'm a
main man. You made in Cleveland. I'm made in New York,
So don't tell me this like I'm a main man.
Speaker 6 (27:47):
Thing.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
Also, I like the guy too, but you got to
show up. Yeah, if you're going to be if you're
going to be working in Cleveland sports, hosting a talk
show or writing a column or whatever it is, you
got to show up. You got to show up and say, hey,
you want to you want to tell these guys you
want to you want to write that they suck. That's fine,
that's your job if you want to. But you got
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to show up here, come in the conference and the
conference that question, ask a question and look him in
the eye and just be here. You know, again, you
don't have to be uh, knock him down with questions.
You have to show up and show your face.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
But even if you come and ask Donovan Mitchell, it's like, dude,
you know you had a really good season and what
happened in the playoff you really haven't performed.
Speaker 4 (28:28):
Then I will have some respect.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
And he'll answer you. That's the thing. He'll give you
a great But you.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Know what happens. They never show up, and when they do,
it's like they don't have a great season. You have,
you know, it's like none of the stuff they post
on social or okay, say on the radio. So it's like,
be be a man and then come in there and
ask and ask him. You and like you said, you don't.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
Have to be like you know, you don't have to
grill him, but you can't actually ask a question, and
what happened.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
And ask j B about his rotation that you say
it sucks so much and what would you want?
Speaker 4 (29:00):
What would you rather him do?
Speaker 3 (29:01):
As far as media goes, speaking of New York, you know,
I mean, and I think I'm not blaming our writers.
I think our writers really appreciate it, and they should.
This is as good as you're ever going to have it.
Where you have a superstar and Donovan Mitchell who loves
to talk to the press and gives you great answers,
honestly answer the wall. He was standing the wall. He'll
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give you a be accountable. He'll tell you I sucked,
I could have been better. I mean, so that's that's
your superstar, and your head coach is the same way.
He'll JB takes the bullets man, and he's honest, and
he gives you good, long answers. You know Thibodeau. You
see what it's like.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
Tibodeaux even it starts answering the question before the first
one even finishes that question.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
I said, I was like ninety seconds late for his
first pregame.
Speaker 4 (29:48):
And he was done. He's done.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
I got down there and I said, what times this start?
They said, he's done, so you know again, like appreciate
that you have guys where you could ask don Chill
what happened why you had a great regular season then
you had a rough playoffs. He'll answer that question totally honestly.
But you have to show up here.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
And you know what you're listening with a little more respect. Yeah, yeah,
for you, if you, if you, if you were like
say to not say to his face, but if at
least you showed up and did the the question and
that you do on the on the show for four
hours a.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
Day, that's it. So I get My thinging with Cleveland
media is you can say whatever you want and be
as critical as you want, but you got to at
least show your face. You know you do you do?
Golden Boy? Do you have any news around the league
for us? Or are we just get to sit here
and commiserate?
Speaker 1 (30:36):
Are there any more awards being given by the media?
Speaker 6 (30:42):
Just looking, I was just looking at.
Speaker 3 (30:44):
Not going to be happy.
Speaker 4 (30:45):
I can't pick Perkins MVP award.
Speaker 7 (30:47):
I was just looking on Twitter and I saw that
Marcus Smart won the NBA Hustle Award. I don't know
what that is, but there's another war he did.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
Yeah, that's an a word that means, yeah, there's a
handle award too. I saw too, there's like a yeah.
Speaker 6 (30:59):
Those are like those are like fan voting stuff.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
Oh really, the Hustle is not fan voting.
Speaker 6 (31:04):
I don't, I don't.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
It's like best team.
Speaker 4 (31:06):
I thought the Fox won. You know, he won the clutch.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
Clutch is that regally?
Speaker 4 (31:12):
Is that one?
Speaker 3 (31:13):
Dude?
Speaker 4 (31:13):
We want to break the clerator?
Speaker 7 (31:16):
He won the Jerry West Clutch Award. It's the first
time that they gave this word out.
Speaker 4 (31:20):
I gotta tell you something.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
Anthony Davis did a good job against the defensive player
of the year in that series against Memphis.
Speaker 6 (31:28):
Yeah, but Davis, you know, he played.
Speaker 7 (31:31):
I mean, obviously, if Anthony Davis goes for thirty and
twenty and five and six every game, the Lakers are
probably gonna win.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
But my wife was asking me the other day about
about Mobley, and he said she was look, she was
watching the you know what, what what Anthony Davis did
to Kevon Nooney, who just.
Speaker 4 (31:49):
Had a monster series in the first round right against
the against and all those guys.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
And I said to him, I said to her, you know,
that's not what it looked like when he came into
the league, and I show her pictures. God, look, go
google Anthony Davis Kentucky and look at the picture. You
tell me that's not the same body you see right
now in number four.
Speaker 4 (32:07):
Of course, it's like four times side.
Speaker 6 (32:10):
I mean even the man now.
Speaker 4 (32:13):
So that's why I'm not and I'm not talking.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
Skill wise or athletic, why I'm just talking about look
on what he looked like when he came in to
the league and look at Lebron and you guys saw
that Lebron here was a rookie, right, yeah, I mean
was like three three sides a bigger and that was
the smallest side that.
Speaker 7 (32:31):
They even a guy like Janis, who Evan has been
here too throughout this season specifically, like Jannes.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
Is the same exact thing.
Speaker 4 (32:42):
Jacked.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
That's a great call. That's a great call.
Speaker 6 (32:45):
He looked exactly like Evan.
Speaker 3 (32:46):
Yeah, you're right, exactly like it takes years and Evan's
committed to it too. I mean, he really wants to
do this. And Donovan said, and on our show he
said that I think it was after the Memphis h
win to cheat or the yeah, yeah, after the Miami
loss that they had to ask him. Yeah, chill out
in the weight room because he's really getting after it.
And also like even for next year. Just off the
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topic a little bit, I got to say, I hope Isaiah.
I wouldn't mind if Isaiah gets a real shot at
the rotation. Isaiah Mobli, I thought he I think he's
a I think he's an NBA big man. I don't
think he's a starter, but I think he's he could
I do too. I like his energy. I like his shooting.
Touch shoots it. He shoots a little bit more than
Evan he does, and he talks a lot more than that.
Speaker 6 (33:30):
Right, he's the older brother.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
Yeah, it maturity, but I'd like to see him. I'd
like to see him maybe get a shot at the rotation.
And Sam Merrill, who I didn't see much in the season. Man,
that guy is a shooter. I don't know if he's
you know again, I don't know if he can handle
NBA physicality and all that all that stuff. But I mean,
like there's a couple of guys in camp next fall
that I will spots get a shot. There will be spots. Yeah,
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they'll be spots. I mean, let's let's see. But that kid, man,
he's a he's got a quick relief and watching it
he was.
Speaker 4 (34:01):
Sneaky, a good defender too, good people.
Speaker 3 (34:03):
Yeah, yeah, he's tough.
Speaker 4 (34:04):
So he speaks Spanish.
Speaker 3 (34:06):
So we need to speak Spanish and his LDS and
I invited him to come up to Kirtland, where I live,
which is a big Mormon community. I'm like an honorary Morman.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
Do you know if you want to evaluate, like the
character of Saint Meryl graduating from high school, having the
opportunity to go to get a full scholarship and go
play basketball to get ready for your professional career.
Speaker 4 (34:27):
He chose to go for two years to Nicaraua to
help people choose to h No, well, well he's yes,
they have to go. Yeah, but I'm saying, but it's
like you could exist.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
I mean, David Robinson got out of his Navy commitment
early because he didn't fit in the Navy thing.
Speaker 4 (34:45):
Yeah, but I'm saying, but still Market is doing his service.
Speaker 3 (34:49):
Market is doing his thing. Man, it's something that jo
Mary Caspy did his.
Speaker 4 (34:53):
But I think that's a lot about the.
Speaker 3 (34:55):
Character that does He's and he is a good kid too.
Speaker 4 (34:58):
You know, that really good kid. But it's like it
says to me. It says a lot.
Speaker 3 (35:02):
Yeah, do you agree you're able.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
To put on whole for your believe or whatever it
is to put to put on whole your future?
Speaker 4 (35:10):
I would help.
Speaker 3 (35:11):
I growing up in the near the country Club in Garfield.
Speaker 4 (35:15):
Heights, one of them prestigious.
Speaker 3 (35:16):
One of the most prestigious communities in all of Ohio,
maybe the country. Uh. One of my friends was a Mormon,
and he told me stories, great stories about he had
to do his two years in Germany and he speaks German,
and uh he told the stories about having to go
door to door in Germany trying to trying to profess
the word.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
Oh yeah, yeah, Sam did more like community building, Okay, Yeah,
he helped, you know, build building communities.
Speaker 4 (35:42):
And helping people. Yeah, it's tough. I think it's amazing.
Speaker 3 (35:45):
Yeah I was.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
I wasn't that mature at that age. I don't think
even the more I'm thinking in the Mormon Church would
send me the way I was that I did.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
Now you are living like a Mormon. You're so clean
and ridiculous. I hate it. Michael, What else you got
for us? What else? What do you got?
Speaker 6 (36:03):
Before we talk about more NBA?
Speaker 7 (36:05):
You guys are talking about the Yankees and this whole
like facial hair and long hair.
Speaker 6 (36:09):
I don't agree with that.
Speaker 7 (36:11):
You don'tk yeah, I think if you want to have
long hair or beard and you're playing baseball for the Yankees, like,
why the hell not?
Speaker 4 (36:17):
Oh my god, I don't know. I agree with you,
my father.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
Tradition can respect tradition.
Speaker 6 (36:22):
I've never understood that.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
Like George steinbern on the back George Steinberner benched Don
maddingly at the time when he was the hit man
because he had hair showing I love it. He wouldn't
cut his hair. So they called down to the manager.
I said, do not play him until he cut his hair.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
I love it. I love it your rebel, but it's no,
I love it.
Speaker 4 (36:42):
I love I love rules, man, I love tradition.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
There's because there's so few. Every rule changes every real bands.
But like I love that, the Yankees have said, Nope,
not doing that one.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
So there was one time when Derek Jeter was dating
Mariyah Carry and there was you know Jeter. One of
the things that Jeter was so amazing at is that
even in New York he kept the media not a bay,
but they respected him from the beginning, like contrary to
Randy Johnson, for example, when he got signed by the
Yankees and the first day he was in New York,
he was pushing a camera man off and you know,
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and and there was only one time when Jeter lived
all his bachelor years as a as a Yankee player,
he was he went to a b he went to
a birthday party and there was like a picture of
him leaving the party or leaving the building like at
three in the morning. And the boss found out about it,
and they actually made a commercial, a visa commercial.
Speaker 4 (37:36):
They got Jeter coming in and sitting in front of
the boss desk. I was like, you know what you do.
Speaker 3 (37:41):
And if you perform well and you live the life.
Speaker 4 (37:44):
Yeah. But I mean that's how he ran the team.
You know. He was everybody respected the boss.
Speaker 6 (37:53):
Are you guys.
Speaker 7 (37:54):
Are you guys still watching or interested in the NBA playoffs?
Speaker 3 (37:57):
Yes, I am that baseball and you know, i'd bean
what about what about hockey? I'm not doing hockey again. No,
I'm still watching the playoff. I'm still into it. It's
hard watching heat NIXT just because of right, all are
all those issues, but but the other ones, Yeah, I'm
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loving it like I love Lakers Warriors.
Speaker 1 (38:21):
Believe ESPN hasn't put Van Gondi to call one of
those games, which one the Knicks heat.
Speaker 4 (38:28):
With Loans and more.
Speaker 3 (38:29):
The Van Gundy brothers are calling all the nick or Lakers.
Speaker 1 (38:35):
Yeah, I know, but they should have him with Loans
a morning in the building at the Garden, that would
have been.
Speaker 4 (38:40):
That would have drove the fans nuts.
Speaker 3 (38:43):
Like where Alonso comes out and he's dragging me anybody's leg.
Speaker 1 (38:47):
He came out to break up I was the building,
by the way. He came up to break up the fight.
The next thing you know, he's he's for dear light
through his ankle.
Speaker 3 (38:56):
Also, Ellen Houston's player celebration after the game winner was
one of all the favorites.
Speaker 4 (39:01):
It was just.
Speaker 1 (39:02):
Yeah that like bounds like twice A yeah.
Speaker 3 (39:05):
Yeah, it was a good one.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
That's a good you know again, remember when he bodies
lamb like body slam. Charlie war the best quarterback in
New York at the time, right, I know.
Speaker 3 (39:13):
But that's another good thing about what's happening in that
I hope this becomes a little rivalry. keVs don't have
any rivalry with the Knicks in the playoffs. They have
other little riberries, but this would be a good one
because uh yeah, it's it's.
Speaker 6 (39:26):
It plays into the Cleveland Sports New York sports rivalry.
Speaker 1 (39:29):
It does, it does, so I think I hope they
played the games, all the games a broken mortgage field
health because the Mansim Square Garden sucks.
Speaker 4 (39:38):
I almost I almost die this time.
Speaker 3 (39:40):
That's right. The roof caved. The the roof cave.
Speaker 4 (39:43):
Literally.
Speaker 1 (39:44):
I was starting, we were starting the broadcast, and I
heard a noise like with like pipe clanking, and I
thought it was part of the effects. And John Michael,
who wasn't doing Game four, was at the booth with me,
and next thing I'm doing, you know, hey, you know
cats wearing white whatever color they were wearing, right, And
next thing I know, John and my engineer jumped off
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their seat and I look back to see what they
were going.
Speaker 4 (40:12):
And I look back and there was a.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
Pipe at least ten inches wide in diameter like coming
down and it stopped like I felt like the priests
and the omen like it stopped like a foot away
from my head. And somebody was moving at one of
those stage lightning they have at the garden, and I
guess they haven't moved it so long. And when he
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kind of flipped moved the light, the pipe came down
and somehow it got stuck and like it was gonna
hit me right in the back of my head.
Speaker 3 (40:41):
Man, is that where there is a rat?
Speaker 1 (40:43):
And yeah, there's a rat trap, but it's the trap
is so small that I think it's literally for the
gym rat because they probably do bench press with I live.
Like I said, I'm from New York. There's no rats
that are being trapped in that thing. Going to rat
are like a little bigger and they have like a
small mouse trap.
Speaker 3 (41:00):
Yeah, that's that's a mouse trap. No, I've seen those
rats in New York.
Speaker 1 (41:04):
Yeah, you don't need they can't touch Oh the pizza?
Speaker 4 (41:08):
Have you even? Have you ever seen the rat fighting
with pigeons? I don't do it. They get two feet man.
Speaker 1 (41:13):
And I don't know if I've seen that the pizza,
the rat going up the stairs or down the stairs
with the pizza.
Speaker 6 (41:24):
You know, I think I'm out of New York. I
don't do I don't do animals and stuff.
Speaker 4 (41:26):
But New York is the best, man, the city, the
city is the best. Come on.
Speaker 6 (41:31):
I have mixed feelings about the city of New York.
Speaker 3 (41:33):
No, what are your mixed feelings? We're gonna have to
air this out.
Speaker 7 (41:35):
Why so okay, so I guess a small disclaimers. I've
only been in New York one time. Okay, this was
probably early high school. I think I was there, Okay,
I don't know. I just wasn't like.
Speaker 3 (41:46):
Fully high school. Yeah, okay, there's just there's the start. Yeah,
that's your first problem.
Speaker 7 (41:51):
Right, we go back with a couple of friends or
you know, whatever the case. Like, you know, maybe that'd
be more fun.
Speaker 6 (41:57):
But I don't know.
Speaker 7 (41:58):
I thought there was too much going on. I thought
I felt like a little over over stimulated. Maybe I
don't know, I just maybe maybe I'm maybe I'm maybe time.
Speaker 6 (42:09):
Maybe because of the Cleveland, New York.
Speaker 1 (42:11):
You can't tell me that you you felt over stimulated
coming from Ohio to New York. I came from a
Salvador and then I came from a country. I have
a one twenty story building, and I moved to a
block that had like.
Speaker 4 (42:24):
It is over stimulating. Its good if you.
Speaker 3 (42:26):
Go there for a short time. How long did you
go for a couple of days?
Speaker 6 (42:29):
About a week?
Speaker 3 (42:29):
Okay, well, weekend it's good. That's that's still. But I
mean it is the first time you go, it is
over hit or I don't care, but I'm saying for
the first time, the first time you're there, I could
see where it'd be overwhelming at first because its to.
Speaker 1 (42:45):
Different, because I came from war and martial law that
I couldn't go out of my house from six pm
to six am, and then and then I don't know
where next one. From one day to the other, I'm
walking in Central Park at midnight, I'm like, I felt
like like wild animals said free. You know how they
show those videos but they open it. They opened their
and the tiger goes out. That's all I felt in
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New York. And I guess that's why I always walk.
I always enjoy experience of just the freedom that I
feel when I'm like, I'm I feel like home just
walking out of the hotel and walking up and down
the sidewalk, you know, I feel then go to and again,
Nick suck. Don't get me wrong, but New York does
not one bit. And I don't care if you might
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not like the fact that people are going places and
they don't care what's going on around them, and they
just keep walking straight up and they don't. You kept
walk by a fire and people will keep walking straight
up or whatever.
Speaker 4 (43:37):
But it's a great city. Man, it got so much,
and I think not, I don't know.
Speaker 6 (43:42):
It's I mean, like New York.
Speaker 7 (43:45):
It's tough to be a New York size and like
a breakfast sandwich on a bagel in New York.
Speaker 3 (43:51):
No what no? Like are you complaining about?
Speaker 4 (43:53):
No? No? Like I do that.
Speaker 3 (43:56):
Why don't we open up a deli here in I
must have said even a dozen times in New York,
get about a bodega, abode But again, man, it's it's
not just it's not just bodega. Like I went in there.
Like when I lived in New York, My my after
bartending was always two scrambled eggs and cheese on a pita. Right,
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But you go in there, it's nowhere on the menu.
There's almost no menu at all. You just go in
there and make it for you what you want to say,
what you want, and they'll make it for you. I'm saying.
In Cleveland, man, it's they have the mindset. You could
open it in Cleveland. But if you've got American dudes
to run it. It was just I'm telling you, just
wouldn't run.
Speaker 4 (44:37):
You're just like the other day, I was thinking, like,
where do I go for a breakfast?
Speaker 2 (44:40):
Sound?
Speaker 3 (44:41):
You can't go anywhere.
Speaker 4 (44:43):
And cheese, and there's no from McDonald's.
Speaker 3 (44:45):
You go in there. And again I went in there.
I went in there. The place was crowded, like it
was morning, like people are going to work. You go
in there, you order it. Within three minutes, it's ready
something they and you can eat it there or you
get right. And it was also a pizza parlor. It was.
It was just I love New York. Man Nick still suck,
(45:06):
by the way, but yeah, the next two suck. But
but that's but either way. So that's good.
Speaker 4 (45:11):
New York is good. You got to come with it,
go back.
Speaker 3 (45:13):
Yeah, come with us, Come with us, we'll take it.
Speaker 6 (45:16):
Die Bars'd be great.
Speaker 1 (45:18):
We'll take it to a couple of like nice pizza joints,
not the other thing.
Speaker 4 (45:22):
Man, here, it's such a I don't want.
Speaker 6 (45:23):
A nice pizza joint.
Speaker 7 (45:24):
I want a piece of pizza that's the size of
my computer with a pul grease in the middle of it.
Speaker 1 (45:28):
Yeah, but we'll get that. But it's so hard here
in Cleveland to get us slice.
Speaker 4 (45:32):
It's like three or.
Speaker 3 (45:33):
Four place, and I think vin Chances, which was kind
of the closest thing. But New York, when I know, I.
Speaker 4 (45:40):
Thought it was an insult to say that that.
Speaker 3 (45:42):
I kind of agree with you in a way because
I don't think it's that. I didn't think it was that.
Speaker 4 (45:47):
Great, you know what.
Speaker 3 (45:47):
But it was the closest thing, you know what. I
had the other day experience Pizzeri.
Speaker 4 (45:53):
In Gordon Square. That's really good.
Speaker 6 (45:57):
It's cool, Okay, it's really people brave about all time.
Speaker 1 (46:00):
Yeah, you have you have eating a bleaker Johnson Bleeker
in New York, which one John so Bleekers in bl
Bleaker Street, which the name is John No, no, no, no.
Speaker 3 (46:10):
But I have. I have been to a place on
Bleaker Street. I think it's Tony's because that's where we
used to stay. Yeah, when we played the Knicks.
Speaker 4 (46:17):
Try try Iran and he's really good.
Speaker 3 (46:20):
Okay, we're spending out of control here, man, Do you
have any about pizza or otherwise? We got to wrap
up because we have a big old company meeting here.
Speaker 4 (46:30):
Man, we do.
Speaker 3 (46:31):
I have to get ready for.
Speaker 7 (46:32):
But real quick, I have to I have to ask
and you touched on it earlier. It's part of my stick.
Now I have to ask if you've washed any soccer.
Speaker 3 (46:38):
No soccer sucks.
Speaker 6 (46:41):
Man doesn't suck more than the next.
Speaker 3 (46:44):
No, But I can't. I like, I'm struggling trying to
watch baseball, especially Guardians, which are man. They're having a
hard time and.
Speaker 6 (46:53):
A rough go of things there because I get.
Speaker 4 (46:55):
Blocked out on my on my ass. You know.
Speaker 3 (46:58):
Funny, I love the Guardians, but not missing much because right.
Speaker 4 (47:01):
Now in the game Friday, so tuning in Spanish.
Speaker 3 (47:03):
Okay, and I'm going to the game on Monday, so nice, okay, good. Yeah,
So let's uh, let's wrap up here, let's get out
of here. What we have?
Speaker 4 (47:12):
Thanks?
Speaker 3 (47:12):
What's that season? Than season ending?
Speaker 4 (47:14):
Thanks?
Speaker 3 (47:15):
But what do we have? We'll be talking everybody through
the summer because we have Summer League coming up, which
we're getting. We're encouraging Elmo Dorado to go to Summer League,
Yes for sure, that's where we're to put him there.
And then we'll have the draft, even though the Caves
aren't picking hobby. You never know, you never know, you
can always jump into the first round, you never know. Uh,
stay tuned, and then summer league. Uh, and then free agency,
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so we will be back over the summer. I don't
know what your plan is.
Speaker 4 (47:41):
Raph I'm here doing some guardians man.
Speaker 3 (47:44):
Okay, yeah, you're here all summer most of.
Speaker 1 (47:46):
The summer of the b Okay, I'm biking Lake Tahoe
late in the summer.
Speaker 3 (47:50):
But okay. Uh. So let's just say some year and
thank yous to the PR department. I think they were
a great, amazing job this year. Amazing job this year.
Everybody we asked for we got an uh. And probably
the reason they're so efficient.
Speaker 4 (48:03):
Is b J.
Speaker 3 (48:03):
Evans, who runs it with oh yeah, and he come
down on you. He'll come down, especially in the playoffs. Man,
he turned it up a notch too. I liked it.
Charm Owens the best, the absolute best. Is he sad?
Speaker 4 (48:15):
You think, is it going to be a Jets fan?
Speaker 3 (48:17):
Now? No?
Speaker 4 (48:18):
No?
Speaker 3 (48:18):
In fact, Cherome is.
Speaker 4 (48:20):
I think he got so knows coming his way, right.
Speaker 3 (48:22):
I think he's happy as hell because the last couple
of years he was tired of Aaron Rodgers holding his team.
Speaker 1 (48:27):
He got a haircut when he came to practice of
the Jets judge.
Speaker 3 (48:32):
Jets Jets stuck worse than the next man, they do.
They're terrible.
Speaker 4 (48:37):
Rock the sack exchange.
Speaker 3 (48:40):
Uh, the burning knocked the sack exchange right out.
Speaker 4 (48:44):
That was a bad that was late. That was a bad.
Speaker 3 (48:47):
Uh slinging Sammy who blew his Rookie of the Year
candidacy three weeks into the season. That it was an
epic collapse. Really, by the.
Speaker 1 (48:53):
Way, that call, that drop in the passer call on
Mark astin Or was the beginning of this crap that
were getting from the rest but picked in the quarterback.
Speaker 3 (49:01):
Really that was it.
Speaker 4 (49:02):
That was soft.
Speaker 3 (49:05):
Devin Booker who made a late surge on Rookie of
the Year, the real Devin Booker. We have to thank
Boo Banks. He's probably gonna yell at Ralpha before the
all company meeting. Uh. We have to think that I
want to say special guest Mac Goal, but thanks again
Macall coming in coming in and having a gred solid season,
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being like the third member of the team, Joe Fritchen
who got me through the early part of the season. Joe,
I love you man, Thank you. Lucy veris the best
female human in Cleveland. And then the guy who made
this whole thing go all year. We're gonna get my
sea guy friendly lifting. What's he supposed to do for you?
Speaker 1 (49:47):
Gonna get my sea in my the game open man,
they gotta put at least one sea. I'll put the
word in for you the fans on Twitter to clean,
to ask for all.
Speaker 3 (49:59):
Because he's a man of act, he'll get into the
dynamic duo of Dirty Kurd and Big Daddy. Might be
day Guy, that might be day Guy, Party Allen. I
love you guys, and we'll be seeing them soon. We'll
probably see them at the old company meeting. Do they
come to all the company stuff?
Speaker 4 (50:15):
They an old company man.
Speaker 3 (50:17):
I know it's there's food, and there's food and maybe
drinks later, I believe, so few hours. Okay, So we
definitely got to get out of here then. So we
will talk to you guys over the summer, and as always,
good night, Freddy Mac.
Speaker 4 (50:34):
Wherever you are well.
Speaker 1 (50:35):
Williams God forty seven.
Speaker 4 (50:43):
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Speaker 3 (50:51):
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Speaker 4 (51:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:28):
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Speaker 3 (00:43):
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Speaker 4 (00:44):
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Speaker 5 (00:48):
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Speaker 2 (01:07):
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Speaker 4 (01:11):
Give me that now you're your host Rafa and Joji.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Yo. Hey everybody, Hey, and welcome to the season finale
wrap up edition of Wine and Gold Radio. What do
you mean when do we start wrapping up?
Speaker 4 (01:35):
Moment that game?
Speaker 3 (01:37):
I didn't. I've been in pain ever since. I am
Joji and he is Adez Brito's seated to the right,
which is wrong, as we all know. So how you felt?
First of all, I have to ask you? Are you
happy that your New York Yankees beat your Cleveland Guardian?
What do you reading more now on?
Speaker 4 (01:59):
Right now? I'm rooting for the Guardians.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
The Guardians.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Of course, I was thinking of my loyalty is always
to the guy that have my back right now. The
Guardians have my back every two weeks. So I'm with
the guards And and not only that, the Yankees never
the Yankees never paying me a penny. They actually costs
me a ton of money, a misery. So I don't
have an.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Aud okay, no real loyalty.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
Other day with a fine heart.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
When people that like, like when they heard I was
doing the Guardians in Spanish, They're like, oh my god,
you're a Yankean. So why you think everybody that does
gain for teams like grew up calling, like rooting for
those teams.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
You heard did you hear the Rosie story about his
kids to be in the band?
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Yeah, yeah, Michael Okay was thrashing. That was a great story.
He's gonna play in a band.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
The thing like Rosa is like Anthony Rizzo now and
they have a friendship going.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
Rosi's son is the.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Visiting team bad Boys.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
He has long hair.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
And I was doing that game and and I didn't
say anything on the air because obviously I don't know
how many people understand that, but as a Yankee fan,
I know that long hair or hair showing out of
the helmet it's like a big no no to me
as a lifelong Yankee fan.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
He jumped out right like off the screen. The moment I.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Saw it, it's like, God, damn, that doesn't look you know,
because it never happened before.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
And it did the Michael O Kay as well. Now,
but next door Michael Kay was talking trash.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
He was just going like, oh my god, you know
stein Burner, he's violating the coat, was like this ant
and Rosie was next door to and I know Rosie
in the booths next to him, and he was like, hey,
come on.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
That's my kid.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
That's a great story.
Speaker 4 (03:39):
But Reza, the first baseman, is a really cool dude.
Kind of started talking with the guy.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
And obviously it's not a bad boy like we used
to know, like a like a ten year old bad boy.
He's an adult, right, And they started talking to he's
a parent, that he's a rocker, and I get the kid.
I forgot his name, the Roses kids. He brought him
a T shirt and he put it on and took
a picture with him. And he's gonna open for a
band in New York later this summer that he's gonna
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play live his band. I mean Rose's son's band is
gonna play in New York. That's that's really because because
of all this that came up with Michael Kay talking
trash or trying to say like he was violating cause.
And I gotta say, really cool of him because the
next day he talked, he talked the hair and inside
the helmet.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
Oh he did. Yeah, just out of respect for that,
cause it is the rule, I mean, you know, and
I love that the Yankees do that and it held
it up. You know, every rule changes everybody kind of band,
but the Yankee.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
Will never change rules.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
No Celtics facial hair mosach yes you can bear or
hair showing out your helmet. And you know when when
the Yankees traded for Bucky Bucky Bleeping then yeah, yeah Steinberner,
George the Boss was waiting for him with that barber
when he came in for the presentation, because you know,
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Buckie then used to have the hair showing out of
the yeah, throwing out of his helmet. So I love
it and I love the fact that they have talked
to that tradition, unlike the Celtics, who great hour but
used to say when he was alive that over his
dead body they were going to have dancers at the
Celtics game, and the year he died, the Celtics introduced
(05:24):
the dancing team.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
Well, I can't say I'm totally opposed to that. I
was thinking also that New York, which you and I
both lived in for a few years, and I love
New York and for the most part, I like New
York sports teams. I'm not a New York anti sports
teams kind of guy. But I also thought that the
Yankees knocked the Guards out of the playoffs last year
(05:47):
when Naylor racked the baby yep and the Knicks obviously
knocked us out of the playoffs, this just this last week.
And then I also thought the one loss that really
kind of mess the Browns up. I think there were
seven and nine last year the Jets. The Jets loss, Yeah,
that was the one that just man like, how could
(06:08):
they have lost that one? That was one they probably
stuck in their crass. So it was a rough, rough
year against New York man.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Yeah, And I had to tell you this two things
as a New Yorker, because I considered myself a New Yorker.
I came to this country straight to New York, and
I lived there for over thirty years, and and and
even though Cleveland is my home, you know, I'm.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
From New York.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
I was surprised about not only how long the Knicks
I have sucked for for a period of time, and
you know, because I was there in the nineties, when
you win and starts and all those old school like
when you talk about old school basketball, that's the next
The next series is against Indiana and the Miami and.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
Chicago and Detroit.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
I was surprised to see these kids, obviously have never
seen the team do well, like celebrating game one or
Game two victory outside of my Soon Square Garden on
Seventh Avenue and talking tries. But hey, you know, fans
different breathe, yeah, and I gotta give it to them.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
But I got to give it to them. And I'm
gonna probably chease some people off. Normally you're the guy
that pisses off Calves fans, but I'm going to do
it today. Calves fans are great. They're some of the
best in the league.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
I would like I would like a description.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
I mean either way, but I mean I think they're great.
They show up and when we were the Caves are loyal,
They're loyal. When the Calves were bad, the fans showed up.
So I don't want to bash Kaz fans. I love
Cavs fans, but the Cavaliers need to turn it up
next year a notch. When we were in Madison Square Garden,
that's where the Caves crowd needs to get to. Let
(07:42):
me tell you, I hate to give credit to you know.
I mean people are going to be pissed off because
they hate New York give it, but you got to
give credit what credit is due. That crowd was definitely
on tip off. From tip off, they were loud as hell.
I mean it was if the Calves try and say
that they were rattled for going into Game.
Speaker 4 (08:02):
Three, both teams were rattled like it was.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
It was I'm going to use the word that everybody's
using these days for the crowd. It was electric.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
It was It's.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Always been like that or New York fans are a
special it's a special breeze. And I have to tell
you we do have loyal fans, great fans. We do
also have fans that don't watch the game. I think
most of our fans are more more more looking forward
to what they're gonna get thrown at in the timeout
(08:31):
and and and you know, in the garden don't have
anybody telling them what to do.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
And I think.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
That's what they don't have those kind of tests. They
don't know what we need to get to.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
We need to get to the point where fans, like
I always I don't want to say criticize, but I
always noted that our fans go down with the when
the team goes down, and and that when we're down twenty,
it's when we need the thing that the people to
get loud and and then to feel that atmosphere that
we felt that management's square. And that is not why
(09:01):
we lost a series before Before they start hitting me
on social media and I'm blaming that, I'm blaming the fans,
But the same difference that we had on the court
in terms of basketball play, in terms of hustle, in
terms of want anymore, in terms of whatever you want
to put that difference, that big difference that was on
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the court, it wasn't the stands as well. And that
is something that you have to admit, and you have
to say I hate to say that, man, And and and.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
It is clear that we didn't show up in the stands.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
Yet they needed. We need to turn it up.
Speaker 4 (09:34):
We do.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
The people started booing a little early and uh b,
you know, I mean, I don't ever want to say this.
Be more like Browns fans because transparents are the worst
humans on the planet. Man. But uh and I consider
myself one, by the way, But uh B, but listen
more wild man, the gaps one next year, be you're
(09:59):
part of the You're part of it. The next crowd
was part of the game, and they did the game.
That's what the Cavs face. We need to come up
with something that to do that. But we need to
come up with.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
Something that is generic and symbolic of Cleveland Stands for example,
in New York.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
The all they do is with the organ.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
They're going bank and everybody knows defense, right the defense.
They don't play the rap beat in the in between
when the team have the ball, everybody's watching the game like,
they start doing their things without anybody telling them what
to do. They started singing, h what's any of that
song in animal House? Hey, they started celebrating, they started
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chanting the Barretts name.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
They changing.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
And also they're obnoxious. I mean they're jerks on top
of it, they are, But maybe that's what you know.
And there was also a lot of like after Game five,
there was a lot of jerkish behavior by our fans
and their fans. After Game five, I noticed a lot.
I mean I saw, I witnessed the firsthand, which was uncool.
(11:04):
But let me just say that, yeah, I mean, next year,
next year, man, the crowd needs to be part of
the environment.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
It needs to be one advice. One advice, work for
fans over any city. New York doesn't suck. The Knicks
suck if you want to say that. Cleveland doesn't suck.
The Caps suck if you want to say that. Understanding,
but like from being from both cities, like you know,
the city has nothing to do with the team in
(11:32):
terms of like sucking.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
That's very true. No, I agree, I agree, but it's
that's what they're gonna chant. But like when I hear
people say New York sucks, it's like it doesn't doesn't.
It really doesn't suck. It doesn't suck, and the people
know that. But I mean, it's it's it's fun for
people to chant. It's fun for people to chan. Let's
talk a little bit about the about the series itself.
(11:54):
The bench obviously was didn't play as well as they
would have hoped. I think that really killed them in
a lot of ways. I don't think overall, I just
don't think they were ready for the intensity. They said
they were ready, they weren't ready. I don't think it
was okay because they're kids. They are you know.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
I don't think it was that it wasn't ready because
I think they were ready.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
We saw them get ready. We saw and prepared with
they were ready.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
What happens was all that youth or like Tony, like
Joe Pete would say, the youth, the youth, all the
youth that we celebrated during the season and got us
to fifty one wins. You know, he hit us right
in the ass in the playoffs because we are looking
at teams that have been there and done that. And
for fans, we are not happy with the way it ended.
Speaker 4 (12:40):
I hate the way it ended. But it's not like
we did.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
It's not like we thought that we went we were
going to make a championship run this year. And for
fans to or for anybody, for critics, for people in
the sports talk to start talking about the Caps sock
and Donova Mitchell suck, is that they don't know, especially
what they're talking about, because.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
It's a process.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
This is a guy, this is a team that was
at nineteen wins and twenty two the forty four And
for anybody to be upset that we're out of the playoff, yes,
we're upset because the way it ended, but it's a
reality that now My faith is with Kobe Oltman and
Mike Gansey and the rest of the front office and
the coaching staff that they continue to do the job
(13:22):
that they have been doing and continue the climb to
where we want to get to do fifty one wins.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
Only six teams.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Did that this year in the NBA, so you can
throw that away. You got to learn, and.
Speaker 4 (13:35):
Especially all these media people that have been talking.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
About growth and learning and all that, like all of
a sudden, they forget that this wasn't the biggest lesson
of the year, like the things that they need to
do now, and how the regular season is different to
the playoffs, and how there are guys that will each
possessions it's important and you cannot take possessions off. And
you know, we thought that because the game was a
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half core game in the play off, it's gonna benefit us.
But then we realize also that in the playoffs, the
half core game, that means that you're fighting inside the
phone booth, and and and and and the passing lanes
are close quicker, and and and and there's a guy
that is hungrier, and and the Knicks had the bad
tape for loosening to the Hawks whatever whenever. It was
a couple of years ago. So it all adds up
(14:20):
to the way it ended. Nobody is happy. None of
those guys are happy with the way it ended. But
I'm telling you right now, all of those guys are
working already and things that they need to get better
at to to come back next season and give it
another run. And the expectations are going to be higher,
and and and and and.
Speaker 4 (14:38):
And they got to be ready for that, right And
I'm sure they will.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
But do not discard the work that is that has
that was done this year towards what we're looking to
get to, which is a championship.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
I was gonna say to fire the entire front office
and coaching staff and trade all the players, but I
changed my Now I've changed my mind, and I think
they to your point, it's it's a progression. The NBA
more than any other sport. In football, you can kind
of come out of nowhere and win a Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (15:05):
It's happened.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
But in basketball, over the years, you've proved the Pistons
bang their head on the Celtics, then the Bulls bang
their head on the Pistons. Then you know, I mean,
this is the way it works, you know, I mean,
the Spurs had to go through the Lakers, then the
you know, I mean it just you got to bang
your head on it a long time in the NBA
to get anywhere. And the Calves are making progress, good progress,
(15:28):
year to year progress. And also you got to remember
when you love the Donovan Mitchell trade. I love it,
you do. I think everybody in Cleveland loves it, But
you had to know that the side effect of it
is the cupboard's going to be kind of bear a
little bit. We have the number, we have the number
forty nine overall pick in this draft. It's not that great,
(15:49):
but you have to realize when you trade for a
guy like Donovan Mitchell, for a talent like that that
you're going to it's going to be harder to build
from the throwing up a little bit. So I think
we have to just be a little patient. You have
to have faith. Look at what Kobe Oman has done.
That's what he's done so far, bringing the pieces. You
cannot give up on Jared Allen. You cannot give up
(16:11):
on Eva Mauvely. You cannot give up on Ricky Rubio
who came in on his fing his first year before
he got hurt from the Olympics, and he was in
rithom and and he show what he can do. Nobody
in that front office was surprised.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
To see what Ricky Ruber was able to do or
not able to do this season because he was gone
from for a year and then he came into a
team that was doing really well and had to jump
into it. It's like jumping into a moving train and
trying to land on your feet.
Speaker 4 (16:40):
And and and he caught up to him.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
Right, if you had Ricky from twenty one twenty two,
we do the bench whoil do much better. Everything would
have changed, really, you know, the second unit would have changed.
Everything would have changed.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
And again it's everybody's acted surprise about the death. That's
the depth that got us to fifty one wins. It's
just that in the playoff it gets tougher, and you know,
the moment of the playoff came in and dim Way
wasn't having a good moment, and which happens all season long.
Speaker 4 (17:15):
You know, you have one and.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Off everybody said, oh Donova Mitchell. Yeah, but Donava Mitchell
had had a special coverage because the Knicks said, you
know what, everybody's nobody's gonna anybody can beat us, but Mitchell,
especially after he put up thirty eight in the second
game too. So it's basketball, this playoff basketball. And I
don't understand how people are willing to give up on
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on on J. B. Baker Staff, for example, with the
way that this guy has built.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
And he has to learn too. He has to get
better next year. He has, of course, but you know
that doesn't mean you get rid of him. I'm not
saying that. I'm saying I'm talking to.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
What you hear about what I understand.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
I understand the passion, but like you should passion in
a different way. Nobody thought or nobody wrote anything about
even when I was asked, like what was your expectation
going into the season, that just ended to me like
being the top in the top six was the goal. Right,
that's a realistic goal and then maybe, okay, if you
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win a series, then anything can happen.
Speaker 4 (18:14):
But the reality sets in.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
And now you have got look at the teams that
are left right now, and they is Boston went to
the finals last season. Philadelphia has been going through the process.
They named the process, right. The m v P is
the pro the media m VP is the process. The
Knicks giving it a second run, right, and then the Heat.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
Who hate them? The Heat them, I hate, but it's
so good.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
They went to they went to the bubble, they went
to the finals, and they think they have a consistency
in the coaching and in the front office. Yeah, we
we are missing all of those pieces except for the
consistency right well, I mean again, JB is still yeah,
but that's what you need to create a system, to
create a program that that is going to be successful
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in consistency right with you. And you need the culture
that JB has able to instill in with the coaching stuff.
And then on the other side, you have Denver who's
been with the bubble and and and the real MVP
in Nicola Jokic. You have the Lakers who have that
dude that have never looked for you around, you know,
and and you know Ruimura and and and Austin Reesman,
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he's making himself at the NBA.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
Right.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
And then on the other series you have you know,
the Sons who are now hitting the reality of that
you need a bench, even if even if you have
superstars in the studying nine ups. And then uh and
and who's the other team I'm missing? Uh and the
Warriors defy champions. It's like, right, you don't get here
just by like, come on, guys, yeah, don't suck.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
Right, I agree, Like I said, you got to bang
your head. The one thing I hope is that you know,
they say it's it's a lesson. They learned a lesson
and it's a hard lesson, which I agree. I hope
it was the hardest lesson they could get. The best
thing they could have gotten. If you want to learn
a lesson was what they got.
Speaker 4 (20:10):
A whoop, a beat, a whooping.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
Yeah about physical being. If they don't know what the
playoffs are about after what just happened, then they're slow
learners because that's playoffs one on one right there.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
Now, Lebron knows how to turn it another not you
have to turn the switch on when you come back
from the All Star break. Look at Jimmy Butler. He's
a different thing. But that's what they're getting right now. Yeah,
you know, and that's what Yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
So I think what's going to be difficult next year
is a regular season. Now, your first regular season after
this is going to be hard because.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
No, but that's the lesson though it's two different things.
You have to be ready for both, but you also
have to you know, a lot of teams. There's also
this lesson that you don't start where you finished last year.
You don't begive you you were the fourth seed last year,
doesn't mean you start at the fourth seedon No, no, no,
you've got to start over from the bottom. Everybody else
we already accomplished that. A regular season, you have, but
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now you've got to do it again. Yes, and now
you've got to be ready for the game is going
to change once you make the playoffs. And that's why
I mean when when I say the expectation is not
going to be high.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
I always think it gets hid.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
If there were fans out there looking for the Cap
to win the Eastern Conference this season, imagine next.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
So well again, but expectations go up now, but they
have to. So you got to be better, and you
gotta be much better in the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (21:28):
So now a year older old, these kids, right.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
A year older. And I'm looking at the draft I
was looking at this morning, and you know Indiana has
three first rounders, right, might have the number one overall
pick Wemby Wemby. So uh, it's gonna get tougher next year.
So they got to get tougher. And I know Isaiah
Evan Mobley's kind of building his gym in his house.
Now he's gonna be evil Mobile. That's what we next year,
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to be evil Mobile. That's what we need. Hey, speaking
of youughtes you speaking of the utes. Let's bring in
our friend and who probably aged a couple of years
this this this season. He came in as a young
whipper snapper and now he's an old grizzled veteran although
he still has his playoff hair. I still have my
playoff beard, so I shouldn't say anything the Golden Boy, elm.
Speaker 4 (22:17):
Going, it's still the hair. Yeah, sounds like a beer
man that you should.
Speaker 6 (22:24):
But you have a did you have a connection to like?
Speaker 3 (22:25):
Yes? Like and asked him to make a yeah, ask
him make Golden Golden Boy beer. Yeah, be pretty sweet.
Speaker 4 (22:32):
For that.
Speaker 3 (22:35):
So, Golden Boy, what are your thoughts on that was
your first real playoff series as a Cavelier employee. You
had to play in last year. But that was quick
and it was quick, and it doesn't count. It doesn't
really count, right, It's like it's like it never happened.
So your first playoff series, it was a tough one.
How do you how do you feel?
Speaker 4 (22:53):
Tough one? It was? It was?
Speaker 6 (22:54):
It was I mean it was a ton of fun.
Speaker 7 (22:57):
I mean obviously like being a native Cleveland running have
sand and all that, Like, it was really cool to
be in it from like from the business side as
opposed to just having the fan side, you know, kind
of angle to it. I mean, I'm not gonna lie
sitting up in the in the in the bowl right
before Game one with all the hype videos and stuff
like that.
Speaker 6 (23:17):
Like I got pretty emotional.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
It's cool.
Speaker 4 (23:18):
I was like, holy, do you have anything to do
with the hype videos?
Speaker 6 (23:21):
Not not me personally.
Speaker 4 (23:22):
I was gonna ask you, how come you don't include
one of my calls?
Speaker 1 (23:25):
And yeah, man, yeah, who do who do we bring.
Speaker 6 (23:29):
The Probably probably probably like D Max team. I think
they do some of the stuff.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
Well they like talk get right on it. And you
had your playoff here going, and you thought you were
gonna come out of this looking like Fabio and instead
now you got to go get your mullet done. You
get your playoff mullet. I know I've been a shame.
Speaker 7 (23:54):
I've been, uh you know, like like like you mentioned
a couple of minutes ago, like still kind of sad.
Speaker 6 (24:00):
In the morning and all that kind of stuff about this.
But I don't know. You got how we book a
vacation and then once I do, then.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
I want to see some vacation.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
Now, can I ask you a question? But you YouTube,
you know, we always talk about all.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
Those floaties that you put in.
Speaker 4 (24:19):
We always talk.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
About how people say, you know that your name is
not in the in the score sheet, so you shouldn't
care that that that you lose it bothers.
Speaker 4 (24:31):
You man, come on, yeah, yeah, yeah, I can't say that,
like you know.
Speaker 7 (24:35):
Yeah it does and and like I just said, you know,
having the fan aspect attached to it is part of it,
but also like being in it, and you know, you know,
Joji like being in it on the road a couple
of times and being at practice and shoot around seemingly
every day. You know, you're at the practice court, you know,
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coming in here a couple of hours before tips, staying
in here a couple of hours after the buzzer goes off.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
Like you're you're in it.
Speaker 6 (25:03):
You're always invested basketball, You're invested. You have this.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
It's family, this is your family.
Speaker 7 (25:08):
After always on mentality, Yeah, you know, we become you know,
so close, I've gotten closer to you guys do the
season and and you know, my team upstairs in the office.
It's like it's it's a big it's it's commitment for
and it's you know, it's not for you know, it's
not like the NFL where you're playing a game a week.
And now sure, I don't know what the schedule is
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inside out in the NFL, but you know it's seven
it's seven months in.
Speaker 4 (25:34):
This, you know what I mean.
Speaker 7 (25:36):
You know, you have the three week like training camp,
preseason media day thing before the season starts, and like
it's it's there's so much, you know, more to it
than just putting a video on YouTube, article or a
tweet or something like. It's it's you know, it's it's
more than that. So yeah, and you're with and also
you're with the team. You're part of the team. I
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mean when it's when push comes to shove, you're part
of the team.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
You know. Like the one time I always remember is
I always go back to the twenty sixteen finals. It's
like the media was there all year, all the Beat
reporters were right there, the same where we were. But
when the locker room was closed for champagne time, we
were the ones in there, you know what I mean,
We're the team. It's like, so that's why I do.
(26:22):
I'm with you. I take it personally. Yeah, when we lose,
it hurt bothers me.
Speaker 4 (26:26):
Man personally, it bothers me. It still bothers me. It
bothered me.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Until we were serious, right, don't know until we win,
not serious again. You know, it's like it's nature.
Speaker 4 (26:38):
It is normal.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
And that's why you know, I don't know if you
are aware. But I got into No, I didn't get
into it, but I made a comment on a post
by the ESPN Radio with like the Cleveland the Cleveland
made man. I'm for New York, dude. You don't tell
me you've made in Cleveland. He made riz.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
I'm a maide man in New York sold hammer.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
So and I like Tony, but when that's why that
the reaction to the to the post, because it bothers
me because.
Speaker 4 (27:07):
These are my guys, you know, And I seen the
post he was saying, you know.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
Cavalier sock JB because the alfrotation sock. Don't know a
Mitchell socks. I'm like, you know, they don't suck. We
got beaten and nobody likes to lose. But it bothers
me because I see these guys working their asses off
every day and and somebody was better than us, and
only one guy wins, and and so don't jump off
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the wagon and then come running again when we got
when we go back, when you hear the Caps are
winning again and you want to talk about it, and
and again, you know, don't tell me this. I'm a
main man. You made in Cleveland. I'm made in New York,
So don't tell me this like I'm a main man.
Speaker 6 (27:47):
Thing.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
Also, I like the guy too, but you got to
show up. Yeah, if you're going to be if you're
going to be working in Cleveland sports, hosting a talk
show or writing a column or whatever it is, you
got to show up. You got to show up and say, hey,
you want to you want to tell these guys you
want to you want to write that they suck. That's fine,
that's your job if you want to. But you got
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to show up here, come in the conference and the
conference that question, ask a question and look him in
the eye and just be here. You know, again, you
don't have to be uh, knock him down with questions.
You have to show up and show your face.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
But even if you come and ask Donovan Mitchell, it's like, dude,
you know you had a really good season and what
happened in the playoff you really haven't performed.
Speaker 4 (28:28):
Then I will have some respect.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
And he'll answer you. That's the thing. He'll give you
a great But you.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Know what happens. They never show up, and when they do,
it's like they don't have a great season. You have,
you know, it's like none of the stuff they post
on social or okay, say on the radio. So it's like,
be be a man and then come in there and
ask and ask him. You and like you said, you don't.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
Have to be like you know, you don't have to
grill him, but you can't actually ask a question, and
what happened.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
And ask j B about his rotation that you say
it sucks so much and what would you want?
Speaker 4 (29:00):
What would you rather him do?
Speaker 3 (29:01):
As far as media goes, speaking of New York, you know,
I mean, and I think I'm not blaming our writers.
I think our writers really appreciate it, and they should.
This is as good as you're ever going to have it.
Where you have a superstar and Donovan Mitchell who loves
to talk to the press and gives you great answers,
honestly answer the wall. He was standing the wall. He'll
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give you a be accountable. He'll tell you I sucked,
I could have been better. I mean, so that's that's
your superstar, and your head coach is the same way.
He'll JB takes the bullets man, and he's honest, and
he gives you good, long answers. You know Thibodeau. You
see what it's like.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
Tibodeaux even it starts answering the question before the first
one even finishes that question.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
I said, I was like ninety seconds late for his
first pregame.
Speaker 4 (29:48):
And he was done. He's done.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
I got down there and I said, what times this start?
They said, he's done, so you know again, like appreciate
that you have guys where you could ask don Chill
what happened why you had a great regular season then
you had a rough playoffs. He'll answer that question totally honestly.
But you have to show up here.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
And you know what you're listening with a little more respect. Yeah, yeah,
for you, if you, if you, if you were like
say to not say to his face, but if at
least you showed up and did the the question and
that you do on the on the show for four
hours a.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
Day, that's it. So I get My thinging with Cleveland
media is you can say whatever you want and be
as critical as you want, but you got to at
least show your face. You know you do you do?
Golden Boy? Do you have any news around the league
for us? Or are we just get to sit here
and commiserate?
Speaker 1 (30:36):
Are there any more awards being given by the media?
Speaker 6 (30:42):
Just looking, I was just looking at.
Speaker 3 (30:44):
Not going to be happy.
Speaker 4 (30:45):
I can't pick Perkins MVP award.
Speaker 7 (30:47):
I was just looking on Twitter and I saw that
Marcus Smart won the NBA Hustle Award. I don't know
what that is, but there's another war he did.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
Yeah, that's an a word that means, yeah, there's a
handle award too. I saw too, there's like a yeah.
Speaker 6 (30:59):
Those are like those are like fan voting stuff.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
Oh really, the Hustle is not fan voting.
Speaker 6 (31:04):
I don't, I don't.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
It's like best team.
Speaker 4 (31:06):
I thought the Fox won. You know, he won the clutch.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
Clutch is that regally?
Speaker 4 (31:12):
Is that one?
Speaker 3 (31:13):
Dude?
Speaker 4 (31:13):
We want to break the clerator?
Speaker 7 (31:16):
He won the Jerry West Clutch Award. It's the first
time that they gave this word out.
Speaker 4 (31:20):
I gotta tell you something.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
Anthony Davis did a good job against the defensive player
of the year in that series against Memphis.
Speaker 6 (31:28):
Yeah, but Davis, you know, he played.
Speaker 7 (31:31):
I mean, obviously, if Anthony Davis goes for thirty and
twenty and five and six every game, the Lakers are
probably gonna win.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
But my wife was asking me the other day about
about Mobley, and he said she was look, she was
watching the you know what, what what Anthony Davis did
to Kevon Nooney, who just.
Speaker 4 (31:49):
Had a monster series in the first round right against
the against and all those guys.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
And I said to him, I said to her, you know,
that's not what it looked like when he came into
the league, and I show her pictures. God, look, go
google Anthony Davis Kentucky and look at the picture. You
tell me that's not the same body you see right
now in number four.
Speaker 4 (32:07):
Of course, it's like four times side.
Speaker 6 (32:10):
I mean even the man now.
Speaker 4 (32:13):
So that's why I'm not and I'm not talking.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
Skill wise or athletic, why I'm just talking about look
on what he looked like when he came in to
the league and look at Lebron and you guys saw
that Lebron here was a rookie, right, yeah, I mean
was like three three sides a bigger and that was
the smallest side that.
Speaker 7 (32:31):
They even a guy like Janis, who Evan has been
here too throughout this season specifically, like Jannes.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
Is the same exact thing.
Speaker 4 (32:42):
Jacked.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
That's a great call. That's a great call.
Speaker 6 (32:45):
He looked exactly like Evan.
Speaker 3 (32:46):
Yeah, you're right, exactly like it takes years and Evan's
committed to it too. I mean, he really wants to
do this. And Donovan said, and on our show he
said that I think it was after the Memphis h
win to cheat or the yeah, yeah, after the Miami
loss that they had to ask him. Yeah, chill out
in the weight room because he's really getting after it.
And also like even for next year. Just off the
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topic a little bit, I got to say, I hope Isaiah.
I wouldn't mind if Isaiah gets a real shot at
the rotation. Isaiah Mobli, I thought he I think he's
a I think he's an NBA big man. I don't
think he's a starter, but I think he's he could
I do too. I like his energy. I like his shooting.
Touch shoots it. He shoots a little bit more than
Evan he does, and he talks a lot more than that.
Speaker 6 (33:30):
Right, he's the older brother.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
Yeah, it maturity, but I'd like to see him. I'd
like to see him maybe get a shot at the rotation.
And Sam Merrill, who I didn't see much in the season. Man,
that guy is a shooter. I don't know if he's
you know again, I don't know if he can handle
NBA physicality and all that all that stuff. But I mean,
like there's a couple of guys in camp next fall
that I will spots get a shot. There will be spots. Yeah,
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they'll be spots. I mean, let's let's see. But that kid, man,
he's a he's got a quick relief and watching it
he was.
Speaker 4 (34:01):
Sneaky, a good defender too, good people.
Speaker 3 (34:03):
Yeah, yeah, he's tough.
Speaker 4 (34:04):
So he speaks Spanish.
Speaker 3 (34:06):
So we need to speak Spanish and his LDS and
I invited him to come up to Kirtland, where I live,
which is a big Mormon community. I'm like an honorary Morman.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
Do you know if you want to evaluate, like the
character of Saint Meryl graduating from high school, having the
opportunity to go to get a full scholarship and go
play basketball to get ready for your professional career.
Speaker 4 (34:27):
He chose to go for two years to Nicaraua to
help people choose to h No, well, well he's yes,
they have to go. Yeah, but I'm saying, but it's
like you could exist.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
I mean, David Robinson got out of his Navy commitment
early because he didn't fit in the Navy thing.
Speaker 4 (34:45):
Yeah, but I'm saying, but still Market is doing his service.
Speaker 3 (34:49):
Market is doing his thing. Man, it's something that jo
Mary Caspy did his.
Speaker 4 (34:53):
But I think that's a lot about the.
Speaker 3 (34:55):
Character that does He's and he is a good kid too.
Speaker 4 (34:58):
You know, that really good kid. But it's like it
says to me. It says a lot.
Speaker 3 (35:02):
Yeah, do you agree you're able.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
To put on whole for your believe or whatever it
is to put to put on whole your future?
Speaker 4 (35:10):
I would help.
Speaker 3 (35:11):
I growing up in the near the country Club in Garfield.
Speaker 4 (35:15):
Heights, one of them prestigious.
Speaker 3 (35:16):
One of the most prestigious communities in all of Ohio,
maybe the country. Uh. One of my friends was a Mormon,
and he told me stories, great stories about he had
to do his two years in Germany and he speaks German,
and uh he told the stories about having to go
door to door in Germany trying to trying to profess
the word.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
Oh yeah, yeah, Sam did more like community building, Okay, Yeah,
he helped, you know, build building communities.
Speaker 4 (35:42):
And helping people. Yeah, it's tough. I think it's amazing.
Speaker 3 (35:45):
Yeah I was.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
I wasn't that mature at that age. I don't think
even the more I'm thinking in the Mormon Church would
send me the way I was that I did.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
Now you are living like a Mormon. You're so clean
and ridiculous. I hate it. Michael, What else you got
for us? What else? What do you got?
Speaker 6 (36:03):
Before we talk about more NBA?
Speaker 7 (36:05):
You guys are talking about the Yankees and this whole
like facial hair and long hair.
Speaker 6 (36:09):
I don't agree with that.
Speaker 7 (36:11):
You don'tk yeah, I think if you want to have
long hair or beard and you're playing baseball for the Yankees, like,
why the hell not?
Speaker 4 (36:17):
Oh my god, I don't know. I agree with you,
my father.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
Tradition can respect tradition.
Speaker 6 (36:22):
I've never understood that.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
Like George steinbern on the back George Steinberner benched Don
maddingly at the time when he was the hit man
because he had hair showing I love it. He wouldn't
cut his hair. So they called down to the manager.
I said, do not play him until he cut his hair.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
I love it. I love it your rebel, but it's no,
I love it.
Speaker 4 (36:42):
I love I love rules, man, I love tradition.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
There's because there's so few. Every rule changes every real bands.
But like I love that, the Yankees have said, Nope,
not doing that one.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
So there was one time when Derek Jeter was dating
Mariyah Carry and there was you know Jeter. One of
the things that Jeter was so amazing at is that
even in New York he kept the media not a bay,
but they respected him from the beginning, like contrary to
Randy Johnson, for example, when he got signed by the
Yankees and the first day he was in New York,
he was pushing a camera man off and you know,
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and and there was only one time when Jeter lived
all his bachelor years as a as a Yankee player,
he was he went to a b he went to
a birthday party and there was like a picture of
him leaving the party or leaving the building like at
three in the morning. And the boss found out about it,
and they actually made a commercial, a visa commercial.
Speaker 4 (37:36):
They got Jeter coming in and sitting in front of
the boss desk. I was like, you know what you do.
Speaker 3 (37:41):
And if you perform well and you live the life.
Speaker 4 (37:44):
Yeah. But I mean that's how he ran the team.
You know. He was everybody respected the boss.
Speaker 6 (37:53):
Are you guys.
Speaker 7 (37:54):
Are you guys still watching or interested in the NBA playoffs?
Speaker 3 (37:57):
Yes, I am that baseball and you know, i'd bean
what about what about hockey? I'm not doing hockey again. No,
I'm still watching the playoff. I'm still into it. It's
hard watching heat NIXT just because of right, all are
all those issues, but but the other ones, Yeah, I'm
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loving it like I love Lakers Warriors.
Speaker 1 (38:21):
Believe ESPN hasn't put Van Gondi to call one of
those games, which one the Knicks heat.
Speaker 4 (38:28):
With Loans and more.
Speaker 3 (38:29):
The Van Gundy brothers are calling all the nick or Lakers.
Speaker 1 (38:35):
Yeah, I know, but they should have him with Loans
a morning in the building at the Garden, that would
have been.
Speaker 4 (38:40):
That would have drove the fans nuts.
Speaker 3 (38:43):
Like where Alonso comes out and he's dragging me anybody's leg.
Speaker 1 (38:47):
He came out to break up I was the building,
by the way. He came up to break up the fight.
The next thing you know, he's he's for dear light
through his ankle.
Speaker 3 (38:56):
Also, Ellen Houston's player celebration after the game winner was
one of all the favorites.
Speaker 4 (39:01):
It was just.
Speaker 1 (39:02):
Yeah that like bounds like twice A yeah.
Speaker 3 (39:05):
Yeah, it was a good one.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
That's a good you know again, remember when he bodies
lamb like body slam. Charlie war the best quarterback in
New York at the time, right, I know.
Speaker 3 (39:13):
But that's another good thing about what's happening in that
I hope this becomes a little rivalry. keVs don't have
any rivalry with the Knicks in the playoffs. They have
other little riberries, but this would be a good one
because uh yeah, it's it's.
Speaker 6 (39:26):
It plays into the Cleveland Sports New York sports rivalry.
Speaker 1 (39:29):
It does, it does, so I think I hope they
played the games, all the games a broken mortgage field
health because the Mansim Square Garden sucks.
Speaker 4 (39:38):
I almost I almost die this time.
Speaker 3 (39:40):
That's right. The roof caved. The the roof cave.
Speaker 4 (39:43):
Literally.
Speaker 1 (39:44):
I was starting, we were starting the broadcast, and I
heard a noise like with like pipe clanking, and I
thought it was part of the effects. And John Michael,
who wasn't doing Game four, was at the booth with me,
and next thing I'm doing, you know, hey, you know
cats wearing white whatever color they were wearing, right, And
next thing I know, John and my engineer jumped off
(40:08):
their seat and I look back to see what they
were going.
Speaker 4 (40:12):
And I look back and there was a.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
Pipe at least ten inches wide in diameter like coming
down and it stopped like I felt like the priests
and the omen like it stopped like a foot away
from my head. And somebody was moving at one of
those stage lightning they have at the garden, and I
guess they haven't moved it so long. And when he
(40:33):
kind of flipped moved the light, the pipe came down
and somehow it got stuck and like it was gonna
hit me right in the back of my head.
Speaker 3 (40:41):
Man, is that where there is a rat?
Speaker 1 (40:43):
And yeah, there's a rat trap, but it's the trap
is so small that I think it's literally for the
gym rat because they probably do bench press with I live.
Like I said, I'm from New York. There's no rats
that are being trapped in that thing. Going to rat
are like a little bigger and they have like a
small mouse trap.
Speaker 3 (41:00):
Yeah, that's that's a mouse trap. No, I've seen those
rats in New York.
Speaker 1 (41:04):
Yeah, you don't need they can't touch Oh the pizza?
Speaker 4 (41:08):
Have you even? Have you ever seen the rat fighting
with pigeons? I don't do it. They get two feet man.
Speaker 1 (41:13):
And I don't know if I've seen that the pizza,
the rat going up the stairs or down the stairs
with the pizza.
Speaker 6 (41:24):
You know, I think I'm out of New York. I
don't do I don't do animals and stuff.
Speaker 4 (41:26):
But New York is the best, man, the city, the
city is the best. Come on.
Speaker 6 (41:31):
I have mixed feelings about the city of New York.
Speaker 3 (41:33):
No, what are your mixed feelings? We're gonna have to
air this out.
Speaker 7 (41:35):
Why so okay, so I guess a small disclaimers. I've
only been in New York one time. Okay, this was
probably early high school. I think I was there, Okay,
I don't know. I just wasn't like.
Speaker 3 (41:46):
Fully high school. Yeah, okay, there's just there's the start. Yeah,
that's your first problem.
Speaker 7 (41:51):
Right, we go back with a couple of friends or
you know, whatever the case. Like, you know, maybe that'd
be more fun.
Speaker 6 (41:57):
But I don't know.
Speaker 7 (41:58):
I thought there was too much going on. I thought
I felt like a little over over stimulated. Maybe I
don't know, I just maybe maybe I'm maybe I'm maybe time.
Speaker 6 (42:09):
Maybe because of the Cleveland, New York.
Speaker 1 (42:11):
You can't tell me that you you felt over stimulated
coming from Ohio to New York. I came from a
Salvador and then I came from a country. I have
a one twenty story building, and I moved to a
block that had like.
Speaker 4 (42:24):
It is over stimulating. Its good if you.
Speaker 3 (42:26):
Go there for a short time. How long did you
go for a couple of days?
Speaker 6 (42:29):
About a week?
Speaker 3 (42:29):
Okay, well, weekend it's good. That's that's still. But I
mean it is the first time you go, it is
over hit or I don't care, but I'm saying for
the first time, the first time you're there, I could
see where it'd be overwhelming at first because its to.
Speaker 1 (42:45):
Different, because I came from war and martial law that
I couldn't go out of my house from six pm
to six am, and then and then I don't know
where next one. From one day to the other, I'm
walking in Central Park at midnight, I'm like, I felt
like like wild animals said free. You know how they
show those videos but they open it. They opened their
and the tiger goes out. That's all I felt in
(43:05):
New York. And I guess that's why I always walk.
I always enjoy experience of just the freedom that I
feel when I'm like, I'm I feel like home just
walking out of the hotel and walking up and down
the sidewalk, you know, I feel then go to and again,
Nick suck. Don't get me wrong, but New York does
not one bit. And I don't care if you might
(43:26):
not like the fact that people are going places and
they don't care what's going on around them, and they
just keep walking straight up and they don't. You kept
walk by a fire and people will keep walking straight
up or whatever.
Speaker 4 (43:37):
But it's a great city. Man, it got so much,
and I think not, I don't know.
Speaker 6 (43:42):
It's I mean, like New York.
Speaker 7 (43:45):
It's tough to be a New York size and like
a breakfast sandwich on a bagel in New York.
Speaker 3 (43:51):
No what no? Like are you complaining about?
Speaker 4 (43:53):
No? No? Like I do that.
Speaker 3 (43:56):
Why don't we open up a deli here in I
must have said even a dozen times in New York,
get about a bodega, abode But again, man, it's it's
not just it's not just bodega. Like I went in there.
Like when I lived in New York, My my after
bartending was always two scrambled eggs and cheese on a pita. Right,
(44:18):
But you go in there, it's nowhere on the menu.
There's almost no menu at all. You just go in
there and make it for you what you want to say,
what you want, and they'll make it for you. I'm saying.
In Cleveland, man, it's they have the mindset. You could
open it in Cleveland. But if you've got American dudes
to run it. It was just I'm telling you, just
wouldn't run.
Speaker 4 (44:37):
You're just like the other day, I was thinking, like,
where do I go for a breakfast?
Speaker 2 (44:40):
Sound?
Speaker 3 (44:41):
You can't go anywhere.
Speaker 4 (44:43):
And cheese, and there's no from McDonald's.
Speaker 3 (44:45):
You go in there. And again I went in there.
I went in there. The place was crowded, like it
was morning, like people are going to work. You go
in there, you order it. Within three minutes, it's ready
something they and you can eat it there or you
get right. And it was also a pizza parlor. It was.
It was just I love New York. Man Nick still suck,
(45:06):
by the way, but yeah, the next two suck. But
but that's but either way. So that's good.
Speaker 4 (45:11):
New York is good. You got to come with it,
go back.
Speaker 3 (45:13):
Yeah, come with us, Come with us, we'll take it.
Speaker 6 (45:16):
Die Bars'd be great.
Speaker 1 (45:18):
We'll take it to a couple of like nice pizza joints,
not the other thing.
Speaker 4 (45:22):
Man, here, it's such a I don't want.
Speaker 6 (45:23):
A nice pizza joint.
Speaker 7 (45:24):
I want a piece of pizza that's the size of
my computer with a pul grease in the middle of it.
Speaker 1 (45:28):
Yeah, but we'll get that. But it's so hard here
in Cleveland to get us slice.
Speaker 4 (45:32):
It's like three or.
Speaker 3 (45:33):
Four place, and I think vin Chances, which was kind
of the closest thing. But New York, when I know, I.
Speaker 4 (45:40):
Thought it was an insult to say that that.
Speaker 3 (45:42):
I kind of agree with you in a way because
I don't think it's that. I didn't think it was that.
Speaker 4 (45:47):
Great, you know what.
Speaker 3 (45:47):
But it was the closest thing, you know what. I
had the other day experience Pizzeri.
Speaker 4 (45:53):
In Gordon Square. That's really good.
Speaker 6 (45:57):
It's cool, Okay, it's really people brave about all time.
Speaker 1 (46:00):
Yeah, you have you have eating a bleaker Johnson Bleeker
in New York, which one John so Bleekers in bl
Bleaker Street, which the name is John No, no, no, no.
Speaker 3 (46:10):
But I have. I have been to a place on
Bleaker Street. I think it's Tony's because that's where we
used to stay. Yeah, when we played the Knicks.
Speaker 4 (46:17):
Try try Iran and he's really good.
Speaker 3 (46:20):
Okay, we're spending out of control here, man, Do you
have any about pizza or otherwise? We got to wrap
up because we have a big old company meeting here.
Speaker 4 (46:30):
Man, we do.
Speaker 3 (46:31):
I have to get ready for.
Speaker 7 (46:32):
But real quick, I have to I have to ask
and you touched on it earlier. It's part of my stick.
Now I have to ask if you've washed any soccer.
Speaker 3 (46:38):
No soccer sucks.
Speaker 6 (46:41):
Man doesn't suck more than the next.
Speaker 3 (46:44):
No, But I can't. I like, I'm struggling trying to
watch baseball, especially Guardians, which are man. They're having a
hard time and.
Speaker 6 (46:53):
A rough go of things there because I get.
Speaker 4 (46:55):
Blocked out on my on my ass. You know.
Speaker 3 (46:58):
Funny, I love the Guardians, but not missing much because right.
Speaker 4 (47:01):
Now in the game Friday, so tuning in Spanish.
Speaker 3 (47:03):
Okay, and I'm going to the game on Monday, so nice, okay, good. Yeah,
So let's uh, let's wrap up here, let's get out
of here. What we have?
Speaker 4 (47:12):
Thanks?
Speaker 3 (47:12):
What's that season? Than season ending?
Speaker 4 (47:14):
Thanks?
Speaker 3 (47:15):
But what do we have? We'll be talking everybody through
the summer because we have Summer League coming up, which
we're getting. We're encouraging Elmo Dorado to go to Summer League,
Yes for sure, that's where we're to put him there.
And then we'll have the draft, even though the Caves
aren't picking hobby. You never know, you never know, you
can always jump into the first round, you never know. Uh,
stay tuned, and then summer league. Uh, and then free agency,
(47:37):
so we will be back over the summer. I don't
know what your plan is.
Speaker 4 (47:41):
Raph I'm here doing some guardians man.
Speaker 3 (47:44):
Okay, yeah, you're here all summer most of.
Speaker 1 (47:46):
The summer of the b Okay, I'm biking Lake Tahoe
late in the summer.
Speaker 3 (47:50):
But okay. Uh. So let's just say some year and
thank yous to the PR department. I think they were
a great, amazing job this year. Amazing job this year.
Everybody we asked for we got an uh. And probably
the reason they're so efficient.
Speaker 4 (48:03):
Is b J.
Speaker 3 (48:03):
Evans, who runs it with oh yeah, and he come
down on you. He'll come down, especially in the playoffs. Man,
he turned it up a notch too. I liked it.
Charm Owens the best, the absolute best. Is he sad?
Speaker 4 (48:15):
You think, is it going to be a Jets fan?
Speaker 3 (48:17):
Now? No?
Speaker 4 (48:18):
No?
Speaker 3 (48:18):
In fact, Cherome is.
Speaker 4 (48:20):
I think he got so knows coming his way, right.
Speaker 3 (48:22):
I think he's happy as hell because the last couple
of years he was tired of Aaron Rodgers holding his team.
Speaker 1 (48:27):
He got a haircut when he came to practice of
the Jets judge.
Speaker 3 (48:32):
Jets Jets stuck worse than the next man, they do.
They're terrible.
Speaker 4 (48:37):
Rock the sack exchange.
Speaker 3 (48:40):
Uh, the burning knocked the sack exchange right out.
Speaker 4 (48:44):
That was a bad that was late. That was a bad.
Speaker 3 (48:47):
Uh slinging Sammy who blew his Rookie of the Year
candidacy three weeks into the season. That it was an
epic collapse. Really, by the.
Speaker 1 (48:53):
Way, that call, that drop in the passer call on
Mark astin Or was the beginning of this crap that
were getting from the rest but picked in the quarterback.
Speaker 3 (49:01):
Really that was it.
Speaker 4 (49:02):
That was soft.
Speaker 3 (49:05):
Devin Booker who made a late surge on Rookie of
the Year, the real Devin Booker. We have to thank
Boo Banks. He's probably gonna yell at Ralpha before the
all company meeting. Uh. We have to think that I
want to say special guest Mac Goal, but thanks again
Macall coming in coming in and having a gred solid season,
(49:25):
being like the third member of the team, Joe Fritchen
who got me through the early part of the season. Joe,
I love you man, Thank you. Lucy veris the best
female human in Cleveland. And then the guy who made
this whole thing go all year. We're gonna get my
sea guy friendly lifting. What's he supposed to do for you?
Speaker 1 (49:47):
Gonna get my sea in my the game open man,
they gotta put at least one sea. I'll put the
word in for you the fans on Twitter to clean,
to ask for all.
Speaker 3 (49:59):
Because he's a man of act, he'll get into the
dynamic duo of Dirty Kurd and Big Daddy. Might be
day Guy, that might be day Guy, Party Allen. I
love you guys, and we'll be seeing them soon. We'll
probably see them at the old company meeting. Do they
come to all the company stuff?
Speaker 4 (50:15):
They an old company man.
Speaker 3 (50:17):
I know it's there's food, and there's food and maybe
drinks later, I believe, so few hours. Okay, So we
definitely got to get out of here then. So we
will talk to you guys over the summer, and as always,
good night, Freddy Mac.
Speaker 4 (50:34):
Wherever you are well.
Speaker 1 (50:35):
Williams God forty seven.
Speaker 4 (50:43):
That was a long well flow. You're listening to Wine
and Gold radio. Sounds like a day of Monster Movie.
Speaker 3 (50:51):
Give me how Come Quickie on w HK, how Come
Bill coaches like, Yeah, America.
Speaker 4 (51:01):
Everybody's done up the turn. Have a good night, everybody
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