September 25, 2025 • 57 mins
Tonight’s guest, Michael Bastin, lives about 25 miles from where he saw a group of Sasquatch when he was a kid. That’s a day he’ll never forget, for a lot of reasons. One of the biggest reasons why he’ll never forget what happened that day, at a place called Fort Ancient, in Southern Ohio, is due to the fact that one of the Sasquatch he saw was at least 15 feet tall! Not long after seeing the group of Sasquatch, Mike was running, as fast as he could, trying to get the heck out of the area with one of the Sasquatch hot on his heels. What happened that day? Why did Mike run, the way he did? We hope you’ll tune in and find out.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
My name is Michael Baston. I live in Hamilton, Ohio.
It's probably about, I don't know, maybe twenty five miles
from where I saw Bigfoot. I'm sixty five or sixty
four years old. I'll be sixty five in October. This
was almost the time of year that I had my sighting,
(00:38):
except it was a little bit later than this because
the leaves were falling and the trees were different colors
and all that. It was in a place called Fort Ancient.
It's at the bottom of the hill from Ford Ancient.
There's a canoe livery that I used to work at
(01:00):
through high school, teaching people how to canoe. And uh anyway,
uh when in high school, uh I my grades started
falling off when I was like a junior, and UH
(01:20):
I went into a vocational school to learn like plumbing
and stuff like that. And our teacher would take us
out in the field and he would only like use
two or three people and the rest of us have
to sit in our cars or whatever and wait until
the end of the day and then we could go home.
(01:43):
And uh, he got this job at this camp place
where it was way up on the hill outside of Ford,
ancient valley there, and uh it uh it was almost
like a small mountain, that's how big these hills are. Anyway,
(02:05):
at the bottom of that down across the street from
the canoe livery was this camp place that we went to.
And uh it was it winded way up on top
of the our way back in the woods, way up
on a hill. And uh, it wasn't my turn to
work with the teacher that day, and uh, we just
(02:26):
got sick and tired of just sitting there. So I
took a walk out in the woods and uh, there
was like it was real flat, but it was really
really deep forest. It was big round oak trees. As
you were walking, your feet would sink down like almost
(02:47):
a foot in the leaves because there were probably there
was probably never a man ever stepped there, and uh,
all the leaves every year would compile until it was
just like real spongy. And so I just kept walking
and I was like three hundred yards away from that
camp out in the woods, and it started getting to
a point where it was like these little ravines went
(03:12):
down and from one side of the ravine to the
other side of the rim was probably about fifty eight
to sixty maybe one hundred feet, I guess. And I
came to that first one, and I thought, man, I'm
not even going to think about going down in that
little ravine because I'll hit them leaves and start sliding.
So I just stood there for a minute, and I
(03:35):
turned to my right, and I realized there was this
big clearing in the trees where you could look off
of that hill and you could see all the way
down to the river, and it was just really beautiful.
The trees were like, I don't know, four or five
feet thick around, they were just huge. Well, I stood
(03:57):
there from man, looking at that, and I heard this
rustle sound in the leaves, and I also heard it
to me. It sounded like a real deep snore. And
I stood different men and I looked over across the
ravine and the big one its head rose up the
(04:24):
back of its head and I was looking at the
back of its head, and I froze, and it turned
its head and looked at me and then stood up,
and I watched these big foot shows and they always say, well,
it was at least eight foot tall or nine foot tall.
(04:46):
This thing was. It was orange orangeish brown color. It
had round black eyes, and it was at least fifteen
football at least. And I could only see from its
(05:06):
knees up because it was standing behind like that little hill,
and it was just staring at me. And I was
just staring at it at it when it stood up,
and I was froze. I could I couldn't hardly move.
So I heard some more rustling in the leaves, and
this other one poked its head up over top of
(05:29):
that hill, and I noticed that one. I looked at
its face. It had human looking eyes and they were blue,
they were bright blue eyes. And there was other ones
down there too, and so I started to kind of
(05:52):
back up a little bit, and I was just really
really scared. I was only that was and this was
back when I was in high school, so I mean
I was just a kid, you know, sixteen year old,
seventeen year old, I guess something like that. And I
just turned and started walking real fast, and it was like,
(06:19):
I don't I can't describe it, man, I couldn't hardly
make my legs move, and I kept looking over my shoulder,
and then I realized. I looked back and I saw
him standing up on the top of that little hill,
and I stopped for a second just to look, and
he jumped from one side of that little hill to
(06:40):
the other side of that hill, and just like boom,
he was there. So I started running and I kept
looking back, and that thing was running too, and it
was gaining on me, and I could start to hear
the noise from the camp, and I always almost to
the clearing and I got to the and I stopped,
(07:02):
and I looked back and heat that thing had stopped,
and it just put its head down like it wasn't
really going to try to hurt me. I don't think
I felt like it needed help, That's what I felt.
But man, I was just too scared, you know. So
I ran back up there to the car. And that
(07:23):
was the only thing I've ever seen from my bigfoot. Uh.
That's really the whole story, you know. They they closed
that camp off. Now you can't go in there. You'd
have to try to find out who owns it and
all that, or I could take somebody there. But like
(07:47):
I said, I don't know how to go through those
kind of loops and stuff, so I wouldn't know, but
I know where it was at, and I could take
somebody there if they knew how to figure it out.
But yeah, this place is its dense forest where I'm
talking about on top of the hill. Fort Ancient is
(08:08):
a place where Native Indians. They were like little pygmy Indians,
I guess, real short little Indians, and when they would die,
they would make mounds and they would bury their dead
in a mound. And they're still several mounds up and
(08:28):
down through that road up there. They also have an
actual fort or a park that was built into a
fort back in the Civil War days. I guess it was.
I'm not sure about all that, but yeah, it just
I just I don't know. Now that I've had all
(08:49):
these years to think about it, I think that those
Indians probably knew they were there. They probably interacted with
them and everything, because like I said, I didn't I
was care but I really don't feel like they were
going to try to hurt me in any way. I also, uh,
I could I remember when the snoring stuff start stopped,
(09:13):
there was some there was a noise where one of
them was like it wasn't whimpering, but it was like, uh,
I'll try to make the noise. It was like, A
that's what it sounded like to me. And I think
(09:33):
that maybe one of them was pregnant or something and
they were having problems and the big one didn't want
to see his baby die or something. I don't know, man,
but I just feel like that they needed by help,
and but I was just too scared oed to get
out of there. Man. Anyway, I got back to the class,
(09:53):
uh and got in the car with some many other
guys waiting to go home, and I said something to
them and they just lost it. So I really never
told anybody. I said something to my wife one day
about it, and she laughed and laughed and laught. My
daughter was laughing, and so I just don't really talk
about it that much. That's really about it. Though.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
Yeah, it's a shame you're treated that way when you
tried to tell people about that experience, but that's how
it normally goes. It's unfortunate, but that's how it normally
goes when you do something like that. Fort Engen is
a really neat name for that. Please, do you know
how got its name. Did he get that name due
to the Indians who used to live there or for
(10:38):
some other reason.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
They were If I'm not mistaken, they were like right
after prehistoric days. That's how old they were. You could
probably google it and check it out. I'm sure they
got a website. But they have a museum. And when
you turn the place, there's a museum. There's just a small,
(11:03):
you know, little museum. But when you go in there,
it shows how they lived and they they relied on
the Little Miami River to survive, and uh, I don't know,
it just uh, you know. The main thing about all
(11:24):
that for me was how I always hear these people
on TV say how what size these things were. They're
a lot bigger than that, some of them, some of them.
If they wanted to attack a town or something, it
just you wouldn't have a chance if it was in
the middle of the night or something and they were
(11:44):
really after everybody. It just and that thing was massive.
It's neck was probably I don't know, I would never
be been able to get my hands around neck, that's
how big it's neck was. It's just scary looking, especially
with brown black eyeballs. It just it just stare. It's
(12:07):
like stare in a hole for you. And when I've
seen it jump over that that ravine like that, I
thought that was it another thing in that area out there.
Uh my father is as was a minister, a preacher,
and uh I've kind of uh discouraged me from that
(12:33):
when I saw that, uh those many years ago, I
don't really I tried to go back to church a
few times, but I just couldn't. I couldn't do it, man.
And not to say that they were probably there during
the Bible stuff, but it just, uh there's no mention
(12:55):
of anything like that, you know what I mean? And uh,
it's I don't know. It just changed things for me.
I look at things differently now.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
Oh, I bet you do now understand there are a
lot of people who swear up and down the Sasquatch
or just nehle them. What are your thoughts on that.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
They think they are?
Speaker 1 (13:16):
What a lot of people will say that Sasquatch or
nefhlm nefle them from the Bible. But I was wondering
what your opinion might be on that.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
I don't I don't know, But nefhlin or they were
like gods. They wasn't like a big thing like that.
That thing's scary, bob. I mean it just its hands
were probably h you know them big beach balls, the
(13:52):
real big ones that they bounce around at football games
and stuff. Oh yeah, well, this thing's hand would wrap
probably over half of that ball. That's how big people
And if it grabbed, if it would have grabbed me,
it just ought. I hadn't done a squeeze. It just
ita squeezed, being half but a netlins. I don't know, man,
(14:16):
I know that when I first saw it, I was uh.
I went on. It's like I couldn't feel her move
for anything. It scared. I had to force myself. I
was a football player, basketball track, I did all the sports,
(14:38):
and I was back then. I was really physically fit,
and I couldn't hardly run. I couldn't hardly walk when
I was running back to the thing. It was a
slow run. It wasn't like a matter of fact. When
I was in high school my junior and senior year,
I was the fastest person in our school at the
(15:00):
yard dash, and I couldn't get away from that thing.
If I had even tried, if it really wanted me,
it could have got me at any moment. But it didn't.
And that's what that's kind of bothered me through the years,
that I might have been able to help that thing.
You know, I don't know, I know it was. It
(15:23):
wasn't stupid like people think, like it's just some gorilla
or some hate. It was smart. I could tell it
was smart, and wish I could see it again. Now
that I'm older, I'd love to see it again.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
Well, you never know, you just might get a chance
to see one again. It's hard to say. And that's
one of the things about sasquatch. They do so many
things that are just so hard to figure out. For example,
if that one did chase you because it wanted help,
well it had to know that by chasing you that
you're just going to run away. So if it did
want help, it's just hard to understand why it would
(16:03):
chase you the way it did.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Yeah, well, I've also heard, you know, these things on
on TV and stuff, and I guess that's probably got
a lot to do with why it Well, why can't
I tell my story? You know what I mean? But
I always hear them say that there's these screeches and
loud screams and stuff, and I didn't hear anything like that.
(16:29):
It was quiet, and and it just it just seemed
to me like it would have been friendly. If I'd
have turned around and walked back to it, it would
have been friendly. I don't know. Maybe not, I don't know. Uh,
but I was just too scared, like I said, yeah,
(16:53):
being a kid like that. I actually wondered, uh several times,
was that the devil? Because that man it is. I
don't know. I just I wish everybody in the world
could have seen what us and then they would understand.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
Well, some of us Sti'll want to see a fifteen
foot tall sasquatch. That's a big one right there. I've
had people come on the show before who reported seeing
fifteen foot tall sasquatch. But for anyone listening who can't
wrap their minds around what he's talking about, size wise,
a freeway overpass that's not even fifteen feet tall, So
(17:35):
that is huge. It really is.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Yeah, it was. You know, I'm sitting here looking at
the back of my garage, and my garage is probably
I don't know, the peak of it is probably twelve feet.
It was taller than that. It was big, and I
(17:59):
it was all, like I said, at the most a
hundred feet maybe to the other side of that ravine.
I guess that's what you call it. You know, where
like the streams go down off the hill, off the
mountain or whatever. And it was like a little valley
and it had like a little stream at the bottom
and then on the other side. Uh, just maybe a
(18:20):
hundred feet at the most, and that thing jumped from
there to there like it was nothing.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
Yeah, it's amazing how they do a lot of things
they do. It's almost like it's not fair that they
have all these abilities.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
Yeah. I told my best friend in high school one day,
because we had football practice at nine, I just wasn't
I just wasn't into it. And he's a real big dude,
and he said, what's up. Well, I said, well, I said,
I think I saw the devil. And because back then
(18:59):
we didn't have phones, I couldn't call some a buy
or take a picture. It was nineteen seventy eight or
seventy nine, one of them, and uh, I went back then,
I never heard of bigfoot. I never knew nothing about
nothing like that. And he told me, he said, well,
(19:21):
he said, you know, your dad's a minister and the
devil would probably show itself to somebody like you, and
I just always just kind of thought that. But I
don't know. That was the biggest thing live that's alive
that I've ever saw. I've seen drafts at the zoo
and all that kind of stuff. This thing would just
(19:44):
grab a girafte and just break it down. No grizzly
bear could ever fight this thing. Maybe the farther north
you go, the bigger they get or something. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Yeah, a lot of people clean, that's how it is,
and that just might be the case so they can
deal with the cold. It's really hard to say. I'm
wondering though, Mike. If it was right around fifteen feet tall,
how much do you think you weighed?
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Uh? When it jumped over that ravine and hit the ground,
I kind of felt it, And I mean I didn't.
It didn't shake the ground, but I it was a
boom when it hit the other side, and I could
hear its footsteps even though there was a whole bunch
of leaves on the ground, I could still hear it
(20:38):
coming after me. So it it had to been I
don't know, you know, the ones that there was. There
was other ones there coup none of them was the
same color fur. The one who was chasing me, it
was like a reddish, a reddish light brown with black eyes.
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And the other one when it poked its head up.
As soon as it did, my eyes went right to it,
and it had human like blue eyes, beautiful blue eyes,
and that kind of made me feel like maybe they
ain't so bad. I don't know. I was just a
(21:22):
kid man, and I wasn't gonna stand around and find out.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
I don't blame you. That's a lot to process when
you're a kid, it really is. You told us about
the one that had the beautiful blue eyes. Could you
see the whites of its eyes on either side of
the blue irises.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
It? Uh? I don't know, because it was maybe too
far from that. I just knew that it had big
blue eyes, and it wasn't as big as the other one.
It was small, But uh, yeah, I don't know. I
couldn't tell if there was white in the iron. I
could just see a big blue eyeball and the other ones.
(22:08):
I know there was other ones over there because I
could hear them as when that one stood up, I
could hear them all back behind that hill. And then leaves,
rustling around and then leaves. And I think he was
the leader. He was the big dude, and you know,
maybe he was going to try to protect them or
(22:28):
something from me. I don't know. I was so bad.
I could take somebody back to that place and just
just go back in them woods and try to find
some stuff and see that place again. I would love
to do that.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
Oh, I bet you would.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
I'll bet I've thought about calling them, trying to find
out who owns it, and just to see if I
could just come in there and just look around. But oh,
I appreciate you let me tell you all about it, though.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
Well, thanks for coming on and telling this. Now, understand, Mike,
I'm sure you've already figured this out a long time ago.
But the one that chased you, if it wanted to
catch you, obviously it could have caught you. And the
fact that it didn't catch you that's a good thing
because if it didn't catch you, it clearly didn't want
to catch you. How much thought have you put into that?
Speaker 2 (23:28):
That's why I think that, uh, it wasn't It didn't
want to hart me in that way. I think there
was a problem. I think they were in trouble, and
it was actually trying to reach out and get some
help because some maybe one of them was getting ready
to die or something, or maybe somebody shot one of
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them or something. I don't know, but if it wanted
to catch me, it could off. There's no doubt about that.
It was a lot bigger, stronger, faster than I was.
And I wasn't running full speed. I couldn't. It's like
something happened to me. I couldn't run. Once I had
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seen that clearing and seen my plumbing class. They had
used our vocational school to build these little bathrooms out
of the block and stuff, and then we came into install
all their plumbing fixtures and all that for this camp.
And that's why I was there at board and just
(24:40):
sixteen seventeen year old, and I just got bored a
day and I took a walk. Maybe I shouldn't have.
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
Well, you can't blame yourself for that. I mean, sounds
like a really neat area. You just wanted to go
out and take a look around. Anyone who likes the
outdoors would have done the same thing. So, yeah, that's
ear faulted, doll. I'm wondering though a lot of eyewitnesses
report feeling compromised the way you did that day. Did
you ever feel any vibrating sensations or any stream sensations
(25:12):
before you tried to turn and run?
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Not vibration. I felt like I couldn't move and the
only thing could move was my eyes. And I looked
at it as it stood up, and I just froze,
like you know, and it entered my mind. Man, is
that the devil? Was I brought out here to meet
(25:41):
the devil? And man, it just I don't know. I
just froze. Then I saw that other one and I thought, well,
that one, that one don't look scary, But then that
other one just kept staring at me. So that's when
I turned around. I took all anyway, but vibrating and
(26:04):
something like that. No, I just I felt like more
of a numb feeling like I was. I don't know,
I don't know how to scribe it. It was a
long time agobe. Man, Yes, that was.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
And if you felt somewhat of a numbing sensation, that
describes what a lot of eyewitnesses report is possibly being zapped.
These guys, they seem to have the ability to throw
infrasound at people that will it'll give you a numbing sensation.
Some people get violently ill. It's got a lot of
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different ways of affecting different people. Some people can be
standing in a group, for example, and this person over
here feels nothing, while the person next to them is
violently ill. A person next to that person, they're affected
in a different way. So it's really hard to say
if they do throw infrasound at you, how it's gonna
affect you. But I sure I'm wondering if maybe that's
(27:01):
what was causing that problem. Were you felt so compromised.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Oh't know. I just maybe it did something like that,
because it probably sins the you know, because I was
playing football and all them sports all the every year,
all the time, ever since I was a little kid,
and I was cut back then, you know, and maybe
(27:28):
that thing realized I better get over there fast because
these things are do something to him because he's gonna run.
I don't know, it could be.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
I guess well they knew full well that if you
ran or not, they could catch you if they wanted to.
So I don't think that's what was going on, But
then again, I wasn't there and also I can't think
for these guys though, who really knows when it comes
down to it, how long did you stand there, though,
rooted in place, before you did turn to run?
Speaker 2 (27:59):
I probably when I was looking off of that hill,
looking how partty it was down there by the river
and all that. It's like a mountain, it really is.
It's way up there. And when you go down to
where the livery is and the entrance to that camp place,
it's probably two or three miles down to the bottom
(28:23):
of the hill, and it's a it's a real winding
road because it's so steep, and it's just it's beautiful
out there. It really is.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
Oh, I bet it is. You said that that siding
happened close to a camp, and then you also mentioned delivery.
Was it a horse camp?
Speaker 2 (28:44):
Yeah? Okay, So Ford Ancient is it's the fort Ancient.
It's an actual place where these Indians work. Well, they
made this big thing out of it where you can
it's got a big lookout place where you can look
out over over the whole valley and everything. And uh,
(29:06):
that's way up on top of the hill. And then
when you go down a couple of miles down into
where the river is. Uh, there's a canoe livery right there.
It's called Morgan's Canoe Livery. You can google that too.
I worked there back in the seventies in summertime and
make extra money, take my girlfriend out or whatever. And
(29:28):
right across the street was the entrance to that that camp. Well,
when our teacher took us out there, I was telling everybody, Hey, man,
I worked there on the summer in the summer. Man
who was telling everybody? And Uh, I never dreamed that
I was going to end up seeing something like that
that day. Yeah, if you get, if you get some
(29:51):
time when you're on your phone, google Ford Ancient. Uh,
it's it's in Ohio, Lebanon, Ohio. I guess it would
be Levanon and Morgan's Canoe Livery. I don't know the
name of the park or the girl's camp. I think
(30:11):
it's a girl Scouts camp now or something. But when
you go through the gate, it's a long winding road.
It takes you way out in the woods. I mean
it's like five miles on this winding road and finally
it comes to this big open clearing where we were
building all this camp stuff. And when I took a
(30:35):
walk out in the woods. It was nothing but forest
for miles, I'm sure, but I don't know. Like I said,
I just I wish I could go there and take somebody.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
Yeah, it sounds like a beautiful place. And from the
way you describe that forest around the camp there, around
forty inch in it sounds to me like it might
be an old grooth forest, is it.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Well, it's like I was saying. When I was walking
through there, back into that there, there was probably a
foot of compiled leaves after year after year after year,
and when you'd step on them, your foot would sink
down about six inches every step that you took, and
(31:27):
it was it would. It was starting to get harder
and harder to walk. And then when I finally seen
that big open clearing in the trees, that's when I
just stopped. Yeah, And I was, like I said, I
was definitely not walking down that hill. I just think
I for some reason took a walk, you know, like
I said, I was bored, and I just so happened
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to go to a place where they were at laying
down taking naps or whatever, or sleeping or where, and
I woke them up, and.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
I don't know, it was clearly a frightening experience, Mike,
But looking back on it, do you're almost worried as
a badge of honor? And are you glad you had
that experience? Now? Again, I know it was frightening to
be in that situation when it was all going down,
But looking back, how do you see it now?
Speaker 2 (32:22):
Well, it's like I said, it was a long time ago,
but I wouldn't change it a bit. I'm glad I
got to see it, and I know it's there. I
know it's alive. Or maybe not that one, but there
are some that's out there and they're they're alive, and
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they're running around and avoiding us. That's why I say.
It's just like I just so happened to be there
that day. I could have stayed up there, you know,
and with the other guys and stuff, but I just
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I don't know, I just took that walk.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
And you wound up being at the right place at
the right time, or, as you may look at it,
at the wrong place at the wrong time.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
Yeah, either way. But like you asked me, you know,
am I glad that I did it? Yeah, I'm glad
I saw it. I'm glad that I know and now
that all these TV shows are on TV. They a
lot of the people that's never seen one. They're trying
their hardest to see it. And I just got lucky
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that day, you know, even though I was scared of
death that you.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
Did get lucky. Yeah, you walked right into a sighting.
You were three hundred yards away from the camp when
you had that sighting. But how far were you from
the closest person at the time.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
I could have yelled my head off and nobody would
ever heard anything. That's how far it was. It was.
Probably it was all the way on the other side
of the camp. When you came up the hill and
you came in the clearing the drive the road it
was just like a gravel road and then it turned
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into like just a dirt road, and the bathrooms were
on way far on the left, maybe I don't know,
fifty yards to the left, and to the right was
the tree line, which was another I don't know, probably
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a football field to that, and then straight ahead there
was an actual like a building that was being built,
I don't know, like it kind of looked like a
like a house really that was being built. And this
they had contractors doing that though but yeah, it was
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a long ways from where I was because you know,
I didn't want to just sit in the car. And
it was it was really a beautiful day out. It
was sunny, it was probably I don't know in the seventies,
I guess about about seventy degrees, kind of a little
bit crisp out, you know, but it was just nice.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
It was a beautiful day, a beautiful forest. I don't
blame you for getting out and walking around. I would
have done that too.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
Yeah. Well, the my buddies, it was back at the back.
They were they were into like we call it the
dice stuff. I don't know what kind of game it is,
but they were just doing that, laughing and cutting up
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and stuff. But I don't know, that's really all I
got about it.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
Do you think the construction that was going on might
have played a role and you haven't that experience.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
Well, I'm sure that that was probably their stomping ground.
I'm sure they probably walked right through there before and
you know, here saw all these construction trucks and stuff
up in there doing stuff, and they probably didn't like it.
Then they saw man, it's.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
Like I don't know, they thought there was one of
those heirless things in all, and he's tiny, yeah that
you were compared to some of them. The huge one
that you saw, you said was orange, just black, But
how long was the hero?
Speaker 2 (36:47):
It was an orange, just brown, orange, just brown. Yeah,
there was no black in it. Yeah it was, I
don't know it was. It was more red than brown,
but it had brown mixed in it with brown disk
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black eyes, and its face was just it wasn't like
a un gorilla. It didn't look like a gorilla. It
looked like I don't know. It kind of looked like
a parson a little bit the way it was shaped,
I guess, but nasty, really nasty looking. Man. I didn't
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have a lot of time to really see everything. I
just noticed its eyes and how big it was, and
the collar and stuff. But that other one, I don't
know how big it was because all I saw was
from like at the top of its shoulders and its head.
It's like it rolled over from sleeping and popped its
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head up and looked over the top of that hill.
And that's the one that had the blue eyes. And
I knew there was some other ones down there, it
just they never did come up. I never did see
that I was gone by then maybe the whole thing lasted. Uh,
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I don't know, ten or fifteen minutes. I guess it
seemed like it was maybe a little bit longer than that,
but it wasn't.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
I'll bet it felt like it went on for D's
and d's. How would you describe the shape of their heads?
Speaker 2 (38:39):
Well, the big one had it was the top of
its head was I could I would say cone head,
but not it really wasn't a cone. It was just
it was shaped like the bottom of a boat or
something like that. And uh, it's uh, it's face had
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fur on it, but it wasn't all fur. Like its
body and its head and its neck and all that
that was all covered in thick fur, but its face wasn't,
not completely. It did have some on it, but it
wasn't completely. And yeah, you're right, its face was black.
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It was kind of like a real dark charcoal black color,
but it's fur wasn't.
Speaker 1 (39:40):
Have you ever seen the Patterson Gimlin film? So what
it's called the Patterson Gimlin film. It's a film that
was shot back in nineteen sixty seven on October twentieth
of a sasquatch. She was walking across a basically creek.
Speaker 2 (39:57):
Yeah, they said it was six foot tall something like that. Yeah,
they took the film and tried to change it, and man,
I was glued to that because this one was a
whole lot bigger than that, and this one I don't
think that. I think it would have turned back at him.
(40:22):
I don't think it would have tried to walk off
like that and try to hide. It would have confronted
those guys on them moors. Is that what you're talking about.
Speaker 1 (40:32):
Yes, sir, that's the one. And yeah, upon closer examination,
a lot of people claimed that they saw a big
meal back in the trees behind that Patty subject, and
that might explain why she acted the way she did.
Maybe she was just trying to lead them away from
other sasquatch in the area. But all we can do
is guess on that we don't really know.
Speaker 2 (40:53):
And they were saying that by analyzing the film that
they say that it's real because the legs actually in
the butt and all that showed real muscle, real muscles
moving as she was walking.
Speaker 1 (41:13):
Yeah, there's been a lot of people over the years
who have claimed that it's a hoax. But yeah, when
you take a good look at that film. There's no
way that was hoaxed. That's the real thing.
Speaker 2 (41:23):
No, they're out there. They're out there, and you know what,
there may be my opinion, uh there may be hundreds
of thousands of the mountain out there, and they may
have colonies somewhere in like big caves or something. That's
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my opinion because uh, I mean there, it's not just
one sighting in one little area. It's everywhere. We're seeing
them everywhere. People are seeing them in Alaska. And I
watched that one show expedition, Bigfoot Expedition. Oh yeah, that's
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one of the reasons why when I saw your thing,
I was like, you know what, you know, I need
to say my story too, because they're out there. And
one of the first shows that they had, that woman
was filming off the top of a hill and she
filmed with infra red light a whole family of them.
(42:35):
They were all like down underneath the trees, moving around
down there. And then that was that. They cut the
show off and that was it for the rest of
the season. Did you ever watch that show.
Speaker 1 (42:45):
I've seen a few of the episodes. It's a good show.
But when you produce four podcasts. The way I do
it does cut down on them out of TV watching.
Speaker 2 (42:54):
You get to do.
Speaker 1 (42:55):
Oh yeah, yeah, it definitely does. Would you see that
they're here was all the same length or did it
very in length? Uh?
Speaker 2 (43:08):
You know the one that had the blue eyes, I
think its fur was longer. I can't swear to that.
It just it looked like it was. To me. When
I saw it, I felt like that one's more peaceful.
And then when I looked back at the big one,
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I thought, man, it ain't not unpeaceful, and so I
took off. That's when I took off, just for I
had to force myself to turn around and take off,
and it just wasn't It wasn't like running a forty
yard desk. It was. And then I had to leave,
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slowing me down too, slipping and sliding. But uh yeah,
I would say, Uh, the big one it's for wasn't
real real long where it hang off the elbows and
all that kind of stuff. It wasn't like that. It
was just uh a little bit shorter hair, I guess.
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But it man, you could just see how powerful it was.
It's neck and its shoulders and all that. It just
if you ran into it with a car. It would
destroy your car. It wouldn't be just a little dent
in the front end. It would destroy your whole car.
It would be like hitting a brick wall. Problem. It
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was huge.
Speaker 1 (44:38):
Yeah, that's a big boy right there. So you're probably
right now you saw that one with the blue eyes,
well enough to be able to see what color its
eyes were. I'm wondering, did have its mouth open and
if so, were you able to see its teeth?
Speaker 2 (44:54):
No, I didn't see anything like that. I did see
the big one. I saw it steep and it was
uh uh. They were straight across in the front, and
I wouldn't say fangs, but uh there was like two
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or three of them on each side that was longer
than the front. So it I mean if it if
it caught something and bit it or rip it right
in pieces. Probably it's its nose and stuff was kind
of extended, you know what I mean with uh, I
(45:38):
don't how explain it. It wasn't a flat face like
a gorilla or something. It's it's nose and stuff stuck out.
Speaker 1 (45:48):
Huh. So it had a muzzle.
Speaker 2 (45:51):
Yeah, it wasn't real big, but you know it did
stick way out, but it yeah, Yeah, it had a muzzle.
Speaker 1 (45:59):
In the muzzle from how you describe it, it was
more pronounced than a gorilla's muzzle.
Speaker 2 (46:05):
Yeah, it didn't look like a gorilla. It maybe it's
nose did a little bit, but it wasn't no gorila.
Believe me, it was no gorilla.
Speaker 1 (46:18):
Oh no, I believe you.
Speaker 2 (46:21):
I've seen so many gorillas at the zoo. It's pathetic.
And yeah, they're massive, and they jump around and act
silly and stuff, and they would probably attack you too.
But a gorilla wouldn't have a chance. It gets this thing,
this big one, it might have a chance against one
of the other ones. I don't know. I didn't see
the other ones over the hill, but I did see
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the shoulders in the head of that other with the
blue eyes, and it was probably pretty big from what
I saw, but it wasn't as big as the big one.
Speaker 1 (46:54):
Yeah, that fifteen footer would wind up a gorilla in
throw it like a softball, only sixteen When you had
that sighting in that's an age where extreme experiences can
affect you for the rest of your life. How much
of an effect did that experience have on your life?
Speaker 2 (47:10):
Though? Well, I told you about the religious stuff. It's
kind of made me. It's not that I don't believe
in God or anything, because God could have created that
just like you did us. But it's just changed the
way I look at things as far as that goes.
And I've always thought that maybe there's going to be
(47:35):
a time when they do get together and come down
in our cities and in our towns and you know,
kill a whole bunch of people before we could ever
defend ourselves, you know what I mean, Because we're cutting
down woods, we're cutting or polluting waters. And I know
(47:57):
they have a lot of nice land stuff to the
Roman and stuff, but still there are some places that's
probably like a burial ground to them, probably, and we've
just built right over top of it, cut all the
trees down, and put buildings on it. And I don't know.
I just always had this feeling they're gonna come down
(48:18):
one of these days from down owt of them hills.
But I don't know as far as affecting me. I
still have fun go to my grandkids football games and
all that, I mean, but it's always in the back
of my mind, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (48:39):
I do know what you mean, and I'll bet it is.
Did you ever go back to forty inchen to after
you had that experience.
Speaker 2 (48:47):
No. When I got out of high school, I went
to the military, so I was gone. While I was
in the military, my family split up, so they wasn't
in that area anymore. My sister went to Saint Louis,
my other sister went down to Florida. Uh, you know,
they all got married, and my mom and dad were
(49:11):
split apart, and I just, you know, every once in
a while, I go, I take my Harley and go
down into where that liver is, and and because I could,
I used to pull the canoes in, you know, when
they would get they'd come in and stuff, and I
just hung out down there by that that like it's
like a rocky beach where all the canoes would come in.
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And Uh, I'd always look over there at that that gate, like,
you know, maybe I could just hike around that gate
and go up in there, but uh, you know, it's
private property. You get up in there and you get arrested,
so I just don't do that.
Speaker 1 (49:52):
Yeah, that's probably a wise move. You never did go
around that gates and head back into that area. But
have you ever headed into the forest for the sole
purpose of trying to have another sasquatch experience.
Speaker 2 (50:09):
I don't know, because you never hear anything. There was
one time, about ten years ago, there was some stuff
on Facebook about there was a bike trail that went
down through that area somewhere, and somebody saw one run
across the bike trail. And that's the only time that
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I've ever heard of any sightings or anything. And I
just think that they they've got a way of staying
to their self, and they don't want us to see them.
And I don't know, maybe they were surprised when I saw.
I don't know. I just I wouldn't go up in
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there unless I could contact somebody and ask if I
could go in there.
Speaker 1 (50:55):
Yeah, that's a really good idea. Like you said, if
you go on there un announced, you get arrested.
Speaker 2 (51:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (51:02):
Something you said when you described how they looked, it'd
sent up some flags. I want to ask you about
to get more clarity. When you said that you noticed
a muzzle, not a pronounced muzzle, but you said that
they did have some kind of a muzzle on their faces.
That makes me wonder did you ever see their fingertips
to see if they had fingernails or claws.
Speaker 2 (51:25):
That big one I've seen that. I turned around looked
at him when he was coming after me, and like
I said, his hands were they could grab a beach
ball and its hands would go halfway around a big
beach ball. It was just huge. And I really can't
tell you if it had calls or not. They seemed
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to be kuh big and round what I kind of remember,
just big and strong. I don't know if it had
calls or not. That was I wasn't there long enough,
you know what I mean. If I could have stood
there and just stared at it for a while. But
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I noticed certain things and then I was out there.
It was enough for me to take off.
Speaker 1 (52:16):
Oh, I don't blame him. I understand. The reason why
I asked if he had claws or not is or
if they had claws or not, is because there are
things out there in the forests that are called gugway
that look kind of like a sasquatch, but instead of
having a flatter face where sasquatch normally have gugway, they've
(52:38):
got somewhat of a muzzle. And they also have claws
on their fingertips instead of fingernails, so that's why I
was asking that about his hands, to try to get
some clarity on maybe these guys were actually Gugway instead
of Sasquatch. But the way they behave though, that doesn't
necessarily fit all that well for them being Gugway, because
(52:58):
Gugway they tend to be pretty nasty and aggressive. And
when I think how you were treated that day, Yeah,
the one came after you, the one chased you, but
it could have caught you, but it didn't. So when
I look at how you were treated that day, that
fits a lot more for them being Sasquatch and you
were just being messed with than them being Gugway.
Speaker 2 (53:21):
Yeah, well it could have been too that I'm sure
I think could hear a lot better than me, and
maybe it heard all them noises from all them machines
and saws and all that, and it was hazardan to
get too close to that edge of them trees, you know,
and it just stopped, like I ain't going out there,
(53:43):
I ain't getting out that clearing that type of thing.
Speaker 1 (53:46):
Well, like we talked about before, if he wanted to
get you, he could have caught you along before you
hit the edge of the tree line. But thank goodness
for that.
Speaker 2 (53:55):
Yeah, he could have jumped to two times and been
on top of me, beating me it up or grabbing
me and squishing me or whatever. I mean, that's just
how powerful and fast it was. That's why I just
always have felt that, well they ain't that the ain't
like these people are acting on these shows like, oh,
(54:18):
we gotta be careful, it'll kill you. I just that day, Yeah,
I was scared. But when I turned around that last
time and saw him stop, it just looked like, Uh,
I don't I don't know how to I don't know
how to explain it. Maybe not that he needed help,
(54:41):
but maybe uh, I don't know. I really don't know.
That is kind of puzzling to me. Why it didn't
kill me.
Speaker 1 (54:53):
Well, they don't do anything without having a reason for it.
Apparently they didn't have any reason to kill you. It's
hard to understand why they would have had a reason
to kill you. You just stumbled across them, and I
think they just wanted to run you out of the area.
And it's no more complicated than that.
Speaker 2 (55:10):
Yeah, that that could be. That could be. I never
thought about that part of it, that maybe they just
wanted me out of away from But why would it
why it knew I was desperately trying to get out
of there. I just don't understand why it would have
been chased me at all and jumped over that that
ravine like that. You know what, When that thing jumped
(55:35):
like that, that's amazing. There's no human being in the
world could ever even come close to it. It had
to have its legs, had to be ah, just like
I don't know. It just really really powerful to be
(55:56):
able to do that. The whole the whole thing had
to be powerful to jump that far.
Speaker 1 (56:01):
Oh sure, Yeah, they do so many things that just
if I believe they do it all the time too. Well, Mike,
I can't thank you enough for coming on and share
the details of that experience with us. I really appreciate it.
Then if I can never help you out in the future,
please let me know.
Speaker 2 (56:18):
Yeah. Well, I want to thank you for letting me
tell my story. It does make me feel better to
be able to talk about it a little bit.
Speaker 1 (56:26):
You're welcome. It's great to give you a platform where
you can do that.
Speaker 2 (56:31):
I appreciate you.
Speaker 1 (56:32):
Well, that goes two ways. Thanks again so much for
your time, and have a great night. That's it for
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
My name is Michael Baston. I live in Hamilton, Ohio.
It's probably about, I don't know, maybe twenty five miles
from where I saw Bigfoot. I'm sixty five or sixty
four years old. I'll be sixty five in October. This
was almost the time of year that I had my sighting,
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except it was a little bit later than this because
the leaves were falling and the trees were different colors
and all that. It was in a place called Fort Ancient.
It's at the bottom of the hill from Ford Ancient.
There's a canoe livery that I used to work at
(01:00):
through high school, teaching people how to canoe. And uh anyway,
uh when in high school, uh I my grades started
falling off when I was like a junior, and UH
(01:20):
I went into a vocational school to learn like plumbing
and stuff like that. And our teacher would take us
out in the field and he would only like use
two or three people and the rest of us have
to sit in our cars or whatever and wait until
the end of the day and then we could go home.
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And uh, he got this job at this camp place
where it was way up on the hill outside of Ford,
ancient valley there, and uh it uh it was almost
like a small mountain, that's how big these hills are. Anyway,
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at the bottom of that down across the street from
the canoe livery was this camp place that we went to.
And uh it was it winded way up on top
of the our way back in the woods, way up
on a hill. And uh, it wasn't my turn to
work with the teacher that day, and uh, we just
(02:26):
got sick and tired of just sitting there. So I
took a walk out in the woods and uh, there
was like it was real flat, but it was really
really deep forest. It was big round oak trees. As
you were walking, your feet would sink down like almost
(02:47):
a foot in the leaves because there were probably there
was probably never a man ever stepped there, and uh,
all the leaves every year would compile until it was
just like real spongy. And so I just kept walking
and I was like three hundred yards away from that
camp out in the woods, and it started getting to
a point where it was like these little ravines went
(03:12):
down and from one side of the ravine to the
other side of the rim was probably about fifty eight
to sixty maybe one hundred feet, I guess. And I
came to that first one, and I thought, man, I'm
not even going to think about going down in that
little ravine because I'll hit them leaves and start sliding.
So I just stood there for a minute, and I
(03:35):
turned to my right, and I realized there was this
big clearing in the trees where you could look off
of that hill and you could see all the way
down to the river, and it was just really beautiful.
The trees were like, I don't know, four or five
feet thick around, they were just huge. Well, I stood
(03:57):
there from man, looking at that, and I heard this
rustle sound in the leaves, and I also heard it
to me. It sounded like a real deep snore. And
I stood different men and I looked over across the
ravine and the big one its head rose up the
(04:24):
back of its head and I was looking at the
back of its head, and I froze, and it turned
its head and looked at me and then stood up,
and I watched these big foot shows and they always say, well,
it was at least eight foot tall or nine foot tall.
(04:46):
This thing was. It was orange orangeish brown color. It
had round black eyes, and it was at least fifteen
football at least. And I could only see from its
(05:06):
knees up because it was standing behind like that little hill,
and it was just staring at me. And I was
just staring at it at it when it stood up,
and I was froze. I could I couldn't hardly move.
So I heard some more rustling in the leaves, and
this other one poked its head up over top of
(05:29):
that hill, and I noticed that one. I looked at
its face. It had human looking eyes and they were blue,
they were bright blue eyes. And there was other ones
down there too, and so I started to kind of
(05:52):
back up a little bit, and I was just really
really scared. I was only that was and this was
back when I was in high school, so I mean
I was just a kid, you know, sixteen year old,
seventeen year old, I guess something like that. And I
just turned and started walking real fast, and it was like,
(06:19):
I don't I can't describe it, man, I couldn't hardly
make my legs move, and I kept looking over my shoulder,
and then I realized. I looked back and I saw
him standing up on the top of that little hill,
and I stopped for a second just to look, and
he jumped from one side of that little hill to
(06:40):
the other side of that hill, and just like boom,
he was there. So I started running and I kept
looking back, and that thing was running too, and it
was gaining on me, and I could start to hear
the noise from the camp, and I always almost to
the clearing and I got to the and I stopped,
(07:02):
and I looked back and heat that thing had stopped,
and it just put its head down like it wasn't
really going to try to hurt me. I don't think
I felt like it needed help, That's what I felt.
But man, I was just too scared, you know. So
I ran back up there to the car. And that
(07:23):
was the only thing I've ever seen from my bigfoot. Uh.
That's really the whole story, you know. They they closed
that camp off. Now you can't go in there. You'd
have to try to find out who owns it and
all that, or I could take somebody there. But like
(07:47):
I said, I don't know how to go through those
kind of loops and stuff, so I wouldn't know, but
I know where it was at, and I could take
somebody there if they knew how to figure it out.
But yeah, this place is its dense forest where I'm
talking about on top of the hill. Fort Ancient is
(08:08):
a place where Native Indians. They were like little pygmy Indians,
I guess, real short little Indians, and when they would die,
they would make mounds and they would bury their dead
in a mound. And they're still several mounds up and
(08:28):
down through that road up there. They also have an
actual fort or a park that was built into a
fort back in the Civil War days. I guess it was.
I'm not sure about all that, but yeah, it just
I just I don't know. Now that I've had all
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these years to think about it, I think that those
Indians probably knew they were there. They probably interacted with
them and everything, because like I said, I didn't I
was care but I really don't feel like they were
going to try to hurt me in any way. I also, uh,
I could I remember when the snoring stuff start stopped,
(09:13):
there was some there was a noise where one of
them was like it wasn't whimpering, but it was like, uh,
I'll try to make the noise. It was like, A
that's what it sounded like to me. And I think
(09:33):
that maybe one of them was pregnant or something and
they were having problems and the big one didn't want
to see his baby die or something. I don't know, man,
but I just feel like that they needed by help,
and but I was just too scared oed to get
out of there. Man. Anyway, I got back to the class,
(09:53):
uh and got in the car with some many other
guys waiting to go home, and I said something to
them and they just lost it. So I really never
told anybody. I said something to my wife one day
about it, and she laughed and laughed and laught. My
daughter was laughing, and so I just don't really talk
about it that much. That's really about it. Though.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
Yeah, it's a shame you're treated that way when you
tried to tell people about that experience, but that's how
it normally goes. It's unfortunate, but that's how it normally
goes when you do something like that. Fort Engen is
a really neat name for that. Please, do you know
how got its name. Did he get that name due
to the Indians who used to live there or for
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some other reason.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
They were If I'm not mistaken, they were like right
after prehistoric days. That's how old they were. You could
probably google it and check it out. I'm sure they
got a website. But they have a museum. And when
you turn the place, there's a museum. There's just a small,
(11:03):
you know, little museum. But when you go in there,
it shows how they lived and they they relied on
the Little Miami River to survive, and uh, I don't know,
it just uh, you know. The main thing about all
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that for me was how I always hear these people
on TV say how what size these things were. They're
a lot bigger than that, some of them, some of them.
If they wanted to attack a town or something, it
just you wouldn't have a chance if it was in
the middle of the night or something and they were
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really after everybody. It just and that thing was massive.
It's neck was probably I don't know, I would never
be been able to get my hands around neck, that's
how big it's neck was. It's just scary looking, especially
with brown black eyeballs. It just it just stare. It's
(12:07):
like stare in a hole for you. And when I've
seen it jump over that that ravine like that, I
thought that was it another thing in that area out there.
Uh my father is as was a minister, a preacher,
and uh I've kind of uh discouraged me from that
(12:33):
when I saw that, uh those many years ago, I
don't really I tried to go back to church a
few times, but I just couldn't. I couldn't do it, man.
And not to say that they were probably there during
the Bible stuff, but it just, uh there's no mention
(12:55):
of anything like that, you know what I mean? And uh,
it's I don't know. It just changed things for me.
I look at things differently now.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
Oh, I bet you do now understand there are a
lot of people who swear up and down the Sasquatch
or just nehle them. What are your thoughts on that.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
They think they are?
Speaker 1 (13:16):
What a lot of people will say that Sasquatch or
nefhlm nefle them from the Bible. But I was wondering
what your opinion might be on that.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
I don't I don't know, But nefhlin or they were
like gods. They wasn't like a big thing like that.
That thing's scary, bob. I mean it just its hands
were probably h you know them big beach balls, the
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real big ones that they bounce around at football games
and stuff. Oh yeah, well, this thing's hand would wrap
probably over half of that ball. That's how big people
And if it grabbed, if it would have grabbed me,
it just ought. I hadn't done a squeeze. It just
ita squeezed, being half but a netlins. I don't know, man,
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I know that when I first saw it, I was uh.
I went on. It's like I couldn't feel her move
for anything. It scared. I had to force myself. I
was a football player, basketball track, I did all the sports,
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and I was back then. I was really physically fit,
and I couldn't hardly run. I couldn't hardly walk when
I was running back to the thing. It was a
slow run. It wasn't like a matter of fact. When
I was in high school my junior and senior year,
I was the fastest person in our school at the
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yard dash, and I couldn't get away from that thing.
If I had even tried, if it really wanted me,
it could have got me at any moment. But it didn't.
And that's what that's kind of bothered me through the years,
that I might have been able to help that thing.
You know, I don't know, I know it was. It
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wasn't stupid like people think, like it's just some gorilla
or some hate. It was smart. I could tell it
was smart, and wish I could see it again. Now
that I'm older, I'd love to see it again.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
Well, you never know, you just might get a chance
to see one again. It's hard to say. And that's
one of the things about sasquatch. They do so many
things that are just so hard to figure out. For example,
if that one did chase you because it wanted help,
well it had to know that by chasing you that
you're just going to run away. So if it did
want help, it's just hard to understand why it would
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chase you the way it did.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Yeah, well, I've also heard, you know, these things on
on TV and stuff, and I guess that's probably got
a lot to do with why it Well, why can't
I tell my story? You know what I mean? But
I always hear them say that there's these screeches and
loud screams and stuff, and I didn't hear anything like that.
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It was quiet, and and it just it just seemed
to me like it would have been friendly. If I'd
have turned around and walked back to it, it would
have been friendly. I don't know. Maybe not, I don't know. Uh,
but I was just too scared, like I said, yeah,
(16:53):
being a kid like that. I actually wondered, uh several times,
was that the devil? Because that man it is. I
don't know. I just I wish everybody in the world
could have seen what us and then they would understand.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
Well, some of us Sti'll want to see a fifteen
foot tall sasquatch. That's a big one right there. I've
had people come on the show before who reported seeing
fifteen foot tall sasquatch. But for anyone listening who can't
wrap their minds around what he's talking about, size wise,
a freeway overpass that's not even fifteen feet tall, So
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that is huge. It really is.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Yeah, it was. You know, I'm sitting here looking at
the back of my garage, and my garage is probably
I don't know, the peak of it is probably twelve feet.
It was taller than that. It was big, and I
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it was all, like I said, at the most a
hundred feet maybe to the other side of that ravine.
I guess that's what you call it. You know, where
like the streams go down off the hill, off the
mountain or whatever. And it was like a little valley
and it had like a little stream at the bottom
and then on the other side. Uh, just maybe a
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hundred feet at the most, and that thing jumped from
there to there like it was nothing.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
Yeah, it's amazing how they do a lot of things
they do. It's almost like it's not fair that they
have all these abilities.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
Yeah. I told my best friend in high school one day,
because we had football practice at nine, I just wasn't
I just wasn't into it. And he's a real big dude,
and he said, what's up. Well, I said, well, I said,
I think I saw the devil. And because back then
(18:59):
we didn't have phones, I couldn't call some a buy
or take a picture. It was nineteen seventy eight or
seventy nine, one of them, and uh, I went back then,
I never heard of bigfoot. I never knew nothing about
nothing like that. And he told me, he said, well,
(19:21):
he said, you know, your dad's a minister and the
devil would probably show itself to somebody like you, and
I just always just kind of thought that. But I
don't know. That was the biggest thing live that's alive
that I've ever saw. I've seen drafts at the zoo
and all that kind of stuff. This thing would just
(19:44):
grab a girafte and just break it down. No grizzly
bear could ever fight this thing. Maybe the farther north
you go, the bigger they get or something. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Yeah, a lot of people clean, that's how it is,
and that just might be the case so they can
deal with the cold. It's really hard to say. I'm
wondering though, Mike. If it was right around fifteen feet tall,
how much do you think you weighed?
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Uh? When it jumped over that ravine and hit the ground,
I kind of felt it, And I mean I didn't.
It didn't shake the ground, but I it was a
boom when it hit the other side, and I could
hear its footsteps even though there was a whole bunch
of leaves on the ground, I could still hear it
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coming after me. So it it had to been I
don't know, you know, the ones that there was. There
was other ones there coup none of them was the
same color fur. The one who was chasing me, it
was like a reddish, a reddish light brown with black eyes.
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And the other one when it poked its head up.
As soon as it did, my eyes went right to it,
and it had human like blue eyes, beautiful blue eyes,
and that kind of made me feel like maybe they
ain't so bad. I don't know. I was just a
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kid man, and I wasn't gonna stand around and find out.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
I don't blame you. That's a lot to process when
you're a kid, it really is. You told us about
the one that had the beautiful blue eyes. Could you
see the whites of its eyes on either side of
the blue irises.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
It? Uh? I don't know, because it was maybe too
far from that. I just knew that it had big
blue eyes, and it wasn't as big as the other one.
It was small, But uh, yeah, I don't know. I
couldn't tell if there was white in the iron. I
could just see a big blue eyeball and the other ones.
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I know there was other ones over there because I
could hear them as when that one stood up, I
could hear them all back behind that hill. And then leaves,
rustling around and then leaves. And I think he was
the leader. He was the big dude, and you know,
maybe he was going to try to protect them or
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something from me. I don't know. I was so bad.
I could take somebody back to that place and just
just go back in them woods and try to find
some stuff and see that place again. I would love
to do that.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
Oh, I bet you would.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
I'll bet I've thought about calling them, trying to find
out who owns it, and just to see if I
could just come in there and just look around. But oh,
I appreciate you let me tell you all about it, though.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
Well, thanks for coming on and telling this. Now, understand, Mike,
I'm sure you've already figured this out a long time ago.
But the one that chased you, if it wanted to
catch you, obviously it could have caught you. And the
fact that it didn't catch you that's a good thing
because if it didn't catch you, it clearly didn't want
to catch you. How much thought have you put into that?
Speaker 2 (23:28):
That's why I think that, uh, it wasn't It didn't
want to hart me in that way. I think there
was a problem. I think they were in trouble, and
it was actually trying to reach out and get some
help because some maybe one of them was getting ready
to die or something, or maybe somebody shot one of
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them or something. I don't know, but if it wanted
to catch me, it could off. There's no doubt about that.
It was a lot bigger, stronger, faster than I was.
And I wasn't running full speed. I couldn't. It's like
something happened to me. I couldn't run. Once I had
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seen that clearing and seen my plumbing class. They had
used our vocational school to build these little bathrooms out
of the block and stuff, and then we came into install
all their plumbing fixtures and all that for this camp.
And that's why I was there at board and just
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sixteen seventeen year old, and I just got bored a
day and I took a walk. Maybe I shouldn't have.
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
Well, you can't blame yourself for that. I mean, sounds
like a really neat area. You just wanted to go
out and take a look around. Anyone who likes the
outdoors would have done the same thing. So, yeah, that's
ear faulted, doll. I'm wondering though a lot of eyewitnesses
report feeling compromised the way you did that day. Did
you ever feel any vibrating sensations or any stream sensations
(25:12):
before you tried to turn and run?
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Not vibration. I felt like I couldn't move and the
only thing could move was my eyes. And I looked
at it as it stood up, and I just froze,
like you know, and it entered my mind. Man, is
that the devil? Was I brought out here to meet
(25:41):
the devil? And man, it just I don't know. I
just froze. Then I saw that other one and I thought, well,
that one, that one don't look scary, But then that
other one just kept staring at me. So that's when
I turned around. I took all anyway, but vibrating and
(26:04):
something like that. No, I just I felt like more
of a numb feeling like I was. I don't know,
I don't know how to scribe it. It was a
long time agobe. Man, Yes, that was.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
And if you felt somewhat of a numbing sensation, that
describes what a lot of eyewitnesses report is possibly being zapped.
These guys, they seem to have the ability to throw
infrasound at people that will it'll give you a numbing sensation.
Some people get violently ill. It's got a lot of
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different ways of affecting different people. Some people can be
standing in a group, for example, and this person over
here feels nothing, while the person next to them is
violently ill. A person next to that person, they're affected
in a different way. So it's really hard to say
if they do throw infrasound at you, how it's gonna
affect you. But I sure I'm wondering if maybe that's
(27:01):
what was causing that problem. Were you felt so compromised.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Oh't know. I just maybe it did something like that,
because it probably sins the you know, because I was
playing football and all them sports all the every year,
all the time, ever since I was a little kid,
and I was cut back then, you know, and maybe
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that thing realized I better get over there fast because
these things are do something to him because he's gonna run.
I don't know, it could be.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
I guess well they knew full well that if you
ran or not, they could catch you if they wanted to.
So I don't think that's what was going on, But
then again, I wasn't there and also I can't think
for these guys though, who really knows when it comes
down to it, how long did you stand there, though,
rooted in place, before you did turn to run?
Speaker 2 (27:59):
I probably when I was looking off of that hill,
looking how partty it was down there by the river
and all that. It's like a mountain, it really is.
It's way up there. And when you go down to
where the livery is and the entrance to that camp place,
it's probably two or three miles down to the bottom
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of the hill, and it's a it's a real winding
road because it's so steep, and it's just it's beautiful
out there. It really is.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
Oh, I bet it is. You said that that siding
happened close to a camp, and then you also mentioned delivery.
Was it a horse camp?
Speaker 2 (28:44):
Yeah? Okay, So Ford Ancient is it's the fort Ancient.
It's an actual place where these Indians work. Well, they
made this big thing out of it where you can
it's got a big lookout place where you can look
out over over the whole valley and everything. And uh,
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that's way up on top of the hill. And then
when you go down a couple of miles down into
where the river is. Uh, there's a canoe livery right there.
It's called Morgan's Canoe Livery. You can google that too.
I worked there back in the seventies in summertime and
make extra money, take my girlfriend out or whatever. And
(29:28):
right across the street was the entrance to that that camp. Well,
when our teacher took us out there, I was telling everybody, Hey, man,
I worked there on the summer in the summer. Man
who was telling everybody? And Uh, I never dreamed that
I was going to end up seeing something like that
that day. Yeah, if you get, if you get some
(29:51):
time when you're on your phone, google Ford Ancient. Uh,
it's it's in Ohio, Lebanon, Ohio. I guess it would
be Levanon and Morgan's Canoe Livery. I don't know the
name of the park or the girl's camp. I think
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it's a girl Scouts camp now or something. But when
you go through the gate, it's a long winding road.
It takes you way out in the woods. I mean
it's like five miles on this winding road and finally
it comes to this big open clearing where we were
building all this camp stuff. And when I took a
(30:35):
walk out in the woods. It was nothing but forest
for miles, I'm sure, but I don't know. Like I said,
I just I wish I could go there and take somebody.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
Yeah, it sounds like a beautiful place. And from the
way you describe that forest around the camp there, around
forty inch in it sounds to me like it might
be an old grooth forest, is it.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Well, it's like I was saying. When I was walking
through there, back into that there, there was probably a
foot of compiled leaves after year after year after year,
and when you'd step on them, your foot would sink
down about six inches every step that you took, and
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it was it would. It was starting to get harder
and harder to walk. And then when I finally seen
that big open clearing in the trees, that's when I
just stopped. Yeah, And I was, like I said, I
was definitely not walking down that hill. I just think
I for some reason took a walk, you know, like
I said, I was bored, and I just so happened
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to go to a place where they were at laying
down taking naps or whatever, or sleeping or where, and
I woke them up, and.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
I don't know, it was clearly a frightening experience, Mike,
But looking back on it, do you're almost worried as
a badge of honor? And are you glad you had
that experience? Now? Again, I know it was frightening to
be in that situation when it was all going down,
But looking back, how do you see it now?
Speaker 2 (32:22):
Well, it's like I said, it was a long time ago,
but I wouldn't change it a bit. I'm glad I
got to see it, and I know it's there. I
know it's alive. Or maybe not that one, but there
are some that's out there and they're they're alive, and
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they're running around and avoiding us. That's why I say.
It's just like I just so happened to be there
that day. I could have stayed up there, you know,
and with the other guys and stuff, but I just
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I don't know, I just took that walk.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
And you wound up being at the right place at
the right time, or, as you may look at it,
at the wrong place at the wrong time.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
Yeah, either way. But like you asked me, you know,
am I glad that I did it? Yeah, I'm glad
I saw it. I'm glad that I know and now
that all these TV shows are on TV. They a
lot of the people that's never seen one. They're trying
their hardest to see it. And I just got lucky
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that day, you know, even though I was scared of
death that you.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
Did get lucky. Yeah, you walked right into a sighting.
You were three hundred yards away from the camp when
you had that sighting. But how far were you from
the closest person at the time.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
I could have yelled my head off and nobody would
ever heard anything. That's how far it was. It was.
Probably it was all the way on the other side
of the camp. When you came up the hill and
you came in the clearing the drive the road it
was just like a gravel road and then it turned
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into like just a dirt road, and the bathrooms were
on way far on the left, maybe I don't know,
fifty yards to the left, and to the right was
the tree line, which was another I don't know, probably
(34:40):
a football field to that, and then straight ahead there
was an actual like a building that was being built,
I don't know, like it kind of looked like a
like a house really that was being built. And this
they had contractors doing that though but yeah, it was
(35:05):
a long ways from where I was because you know,
I didn't want to just sit in the car. And
it was it was really a beautiful day out. It
was sunny, it was probably I don't know in the seventies,
I guess about about seventy degrees, kind of a little
bit crisp out, you know, but it was just nice.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
It was a beautiful day, a beautiful forest. I don't
blame you for getting out and walking around. I would
have done that too.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
Yeah. Well, the my buddies, it was back at the back.
They were they were into like we call it the
dice stuff. I don't know what kind of game it is,
but they were just doing that, laughing and cutting up
(35:56):
and stuff. But I don't know, that's really all I
got about it.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
Do you think the construction that was going on might
have played a role and you haven't that experience.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
Well, I'm sure that that was probably their stomping ground.
I'm sure they probably walked right through there before and
you know, here saw all these construction trucks and stuff
up in there doing stuff, and they probably didn't like it.
Then they saw man, it's.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
Like I don't know, they thought there was one of
those heirless things in all, and he's tiny, yeah that
you were compared to some of them. The huge one
that you saw, you said was orange, just black, But
how long was the hero?
Speaker 2 (36:47):
It was an orange, just brown, orange, just brown. Yeah,
there was no black in it. Yeah it was, I
don't know it was. It was more red than brown,
but it had brown mixed in it with brown disk
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black eyes, and its face was just it wasn't like
a un gorilla. It didn't look like a gorilla. It
looked like I don't know. It kind of looked like
a parson a little bit the way it was shaped,
I guess, but nasty, really nasty looking. Man. I didn't
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have a lot of time to really see everything. I
just noticed its eyes and how big it was, and
the collar and stuff. But that other one, I don't
know how big it was because all I saw was
from like at the top of its shoulders and its head.
It's like it rolled over from sleeping and popped its
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head up and looked over the top of that hill.
And that's the one that had the blue eyes. And
I knew there was some other ones down there, it
just they never did come up. I never did see
that I was gone by then maybe the whole thing lasted. Uh,
(38:21):
I don't know, ten or fifteen minutes. I guess it
seemed like it was maybe a little bit longer than that,
but it wasn't.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
I'll bet it felt like it went on for D's
and d's. How would you describe the shape of their heads?
Speaker 2 (38:39):
Well, the big one had it was the top of
its head was I could I would say cone head,
but not it really wasn't a cone. It was just
it was shaped like the bottom of a boat or
something like that. And uh, it's uh, it's face had
(39:08):
fur on it, but it wasn't all fur. Like its
body and its head and its neck and all that
that was all covered in thick fur, but its face wasn't,
not completely. It did have some on it, but it
wasn't completely. And yeah, you're right, its face was black.
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It was kind of like a real dark charcoal black color,
but it's fur wasn't.
Speaker 1 (39:40):
Have you ever seen the Patterson Gimlin film? So what
it's called the Patterson Gimlin film. It's a film that
was shot back in nineteen sixty seven on October twentieth
of a sasquatch. She was walking across a basically creek.
Speaker 2 (39:57):
Yeah, they said it was six foot tall something like that. Yeah,
they took the film and tried to change it, and man,
I was glued to that because this one was a
whole lot bigger than that, and this one I don't
think that. I think it would have turned back at him.
(40:22):
I don't think it would have tried to walk off
like that and try to hide. It would have confronted
those guys on them moors. Is that what you're talking about.
Speaker 1 (40:32):
Yes, sir, that's the one. And yeah, upon closer examination,
a lot of people claimed that they saw a big
meal back in the trees behind that Patty subject, and
that might explain why she acted the way she did.
Maybe she was just trying to lead them away from
other sasquatch in the area. But all we can do
is guess on that we don't really know.
Speaker 2 (40:53):
And they were saying that by analyzing the film that
they say that it's real because the legs actually in
the butt and all that showed real muscle, real muscles
moving as she was walking.
Speaker 1 (41:13):
Yeah, there's been a lot of people over the years
who have claimed that it's a hoax. But yeah, when
you take a good look at that film. There's no
way that was hoaxed. That's the real thing.
Speaker 2 (41:23):
No, they're out there. They're out there, and you know what,
there may be my opinion, uh there may be hundreds
of thousands of the mountain out there, and they may
have colonies somewhere in like big caves or something. That's
(41:46):
my opinion because uh, I mean there, it's not just
one sighting in one little area. It's everywhere. We're seeing
them everywhere. People are seeing them in Alaska. And I
watched that one show expedition, Bigfoot Expedition. Oh yeah, that's
(42:11):
one of the reasons why when I saw your thing,
I was like, you know what, you know, I need
to say my story too, because they're out there. And
one of the first shows that they had, that woman
was filming off the top of a hill and she
filmed with infra red light a whole family of them.
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They were all like down underneath the trees, moving around
down there. And then that was that. They cut the
show off and that was it for the rest of
the season. Did you ever watch that show.
Speaker 1 (42:45):
I've seen a few of the episodes. It's a good show.
But when you produce four podcasts. The way I do
it does cut down on them out of TV watching.
Speaker 2 (42:54):
You get to do.
Speaker 1 (42:55):
Oh yeah, yeah, it definitely does. Would you see that
they're here was all the same length or did it
very in length? Uh?
Speaker 2 (43:08):
You know the one that had the blue eyes, I
think its fur was longer. I can't swear to that.
It just it looked like it was. To me. When
I saw it, I felt like that one's more peaceful.
And then when I looked back at the big one,
(43:28):
I thought, man, it ain't not unpeaceful, and so I
took off. That's when I took off, just for I
had to force myself to turn around and take off,
and it just wasn't It wasn't like running a forty
yard desk. It was. And then I had to leave,
(43:49):
slowing me down too, slipping and sliding. But uh yeah,
I would say, Uh, the big one it's for wasn't
real real long where it hang off the elbows and
all that kind of stuff. It wasn't like that. It
was just uh a little bit shorter hair, I guess.
(44:16):
But it man, you could just see how powerful it was.
It's neck and its shoulders and all that. It just
if you ran into it with a car. It would
destroy your car. It wouldn't be just a little dent
in the front end. It would destroy your whole car.
It would be like hitting a brick wall. Problem. It
(44:36):
was huge.
Speaker 1 (44:38):
Yeah, that's a big boy right there. So you're probably
right now you saw that one with the blue eyes,
well enough to be able to see what color its
eyes were. I'm wondering, did have its mouth open and
if so, were you able to see its teeth?
Speaker 2 (44:54):
No, I didn't see anything like that. I did see
the big one. I saw it steep and it was
uh uh. They were straight across in the front, and
I wouldn't say fangs, but uh there was like two
(45:15):
or three of them on each side that was longer
than the front. So it I mean if it if
it caught something and bit it or rip it right
in pieces. Probably it's its nose and stuff was kind
of extended, you know what I mean with uh, I
(45:38):
don't how explain it. It wasn't a flat face like
a gorilla or something. It's it's nose and stuff stuck out.
Speaker 1 (45:48):
Huh. So it had a muzzle.
Speaker 2 (45:51):
Yeah, it wasn't real big, but you know it did
stick way out, but it yeah, Yeah, it had a muzzle.
Speaker 1 (45:59):
In the muzzle from how you describe it, it was
more pronounced than a gorilla's muzzle.
Speaker 2 (46:05):
Yeah, it didn't look like a gorilla. It maybe it's
nose did a little bit, but it wasn't no gorila.
Believe me, it was no gorilla.
Speaker 1 (46:18):
Oh no, I believe you.
Speaker 2 (46:21):
I've seen so many gorillas at the zoo. It's pathetic.
And yeah, they're massive, and they jump around and act
silly and stuff, and they would probably attack you too.
But a gorilla wouldn't have a chance. It gets this thing,
this big one, it might have a chance against one
of the other ones. I don't know. I didn't see
the other ones over the hill, but I did see
(46:42):
the shoulders in the head of that other with the
blue eyes, and it was probably pretty big from what
I saw, but it wasn't as big as the big one.
Speaker 1 (46:54):
Yeah, that fifteen footer would wind up a gorilla in
throw it like a softball, only sixteen When you had
that sighting in that's an age where extreme experiences can
affect you for the rest of your life. How much
of an effect did that experience have on your life?
Speaker 2 (47:10):
Though? Well, I told you about the religious stuff. It's
kind of made me. It's not that I don't believe
in God or anything, because God could have created that
just like you did us. But it's just changed the
way I look at things as far as that goes.
And I've always thought that maybe there's going to be
(47:35):
a time when they do get together and come down
in our cities and in our towns and you know,
kill a whole bunch of people before we could ever
defend ourselves, you know what I mean, Because we're cutting
down woods, we're cutting or polluting waters. And I know
(47:57):
they have a lot of nice land stuff to the
Roman and stuff, but still there are some places that's
probably like a burial ground to them, probably, and we've
just built right over top of it, cut all the
trees down, and put buildings on it. And I don't know.
I just always had this feeling they're gonna come down
(48:18):
one of these days from down owt of them hills.
But I don't know as far as affecting me. I
still have fun go to my grandkids football games and
all that, I mean, but it's always in the back
of my mind, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (48:39):
I do know what you mean, and I'll bet it is.
Did you ever go back to forty inchen to after
you had that experience.
Speaker 2 (48:47):
No. When I got out of high school, I went
to the military, so I was gone. While I was
in the military, my family split up, so they wasn't
in that area anymore. My sister went to Saint Louis,
my other sister went down to Florida. Uh, you know,
they all got married, and my mom and dad were
(49:11):
split apart, and I just, you know, every once in
a while, I go, I take my Harley and go
down into where that liver is, and and because I could,
I used to pull the canoes in, you know, when
they would get they'd come in and stuff, and I
just hung out down there by that that like it's
like a rocky beach where all the canoes would come in.
(49:36):
And Uh, I'd always look over there at that that gate, like,
you know, maybe I could just hike around that gate
and go up in there, but uh, you know, it's
private property. You get up in there and you get arrested,
so I just don't do that.
Speaker 1 (49:52):
Yeah, that's probably a wise move. You never did go
around that gates and head back into that area. But
have you ever headed into the forest for the sole
purpose of trying to have another sasquatch experience.
Speaker 2 (50:09):
I don't know, because you never hear anything. There was
one time, about ten years ago, there was some stuff
on Facebook about there was a bike trail that went
down through that area somewhere, and somebody saw one run
across the bike trail. And that's the only time that
(50:30):
I've ever heard of any sightings or anything. And I
just think that they they've got a way of staying
to their self, and they don't want us to see them.
And I don't know, maybe they were surprised when I saw.
I don't know. I just I wouldn't go up in
(50:51):
there unless I could contact somebody and ask if I
could go in there.
Speaker 1 (50:55):
Yeah, that's a really good idea. Like you said, if
you go on there un announced, you get arrested.
Speaker 2 (51:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (51:02):
Something you said when you described how they looked, it'd
sent up some flags. I want to ask you about
to get more clarity. When you said that you noticed
a muzzle, not a pronounced muzzle, but you said that
they did have some kind of a muzzle on their faces.
That makes me wonder did you ever see their fingertips
to see if they had fingernails or claws.
Speaker 2 (51:25):
That big one I've seen that. I turned around looked
at him when he was coming after me, and like
I said, his hands were they could grab a beach
ball and its hands would go halfway around a big
beach ball. It was just huge. And I really can't
tell you if it had calls or not. They seemed
(51:48):
to be kuh big and round what I kind of remember,
just big and strong. I don't know if it had
calls or not. That was I wasn't there long enough,
you know what I mean. If I could have stood
there and just stared at it for a while. But
(52:09):
I noticed certain things and then I was out there.
It was enough for me to take off.
Speaker 1 (52:16):
Oh, I don't blame him. I understand. The reason why
I asked if he had claws or not is or
if they had claws or not, is because there are
things out there in the forests that are called gugway
that look kind of like a sasquatch, but instead of
having a flatter face where sasquatch normally have gugway, they've
(52:38):
got somewhat of a muzzle. And they also have claws
on their fingertips instead of fingernails, so that's why I
was asking that about his hands, to try to get
some clarity on maybe these guys were actually Gugway instead
of Sasquatch. But the way they behave though, that doesn't
necessarily fit all that well for them being Gugway, because
(52:58):
Gugway they tend to be pretty nasty and aggressive. And
when I think how you were treated that day, Yeah,
the one came after you, the one chased you, but
it could have caught you, but it didn't. So when
I look at how you were treated that day, that
fits a lot more for them being Sasquatch and you
were just being messed with than them being Gugway.
Speaker 2 (53:21):
Yeah, well it could have been too that I'm sure
I think could hear a lot better than me, and
maybe it heard all them noises from all them machines
and saws and all that, and it was hazardan to
get too close to that edge of them trees, you know,
and it just stopped, like I ain't going out there,
(53:43):
I ain't getting out that clearing that type of thing.
Speaker 1 (53:46):
Well, like we talked about before, if he wanted to
get you, he could have caught you along before you
hit the edge of the tree line. But thank goodness
for that.
Speaker 2 (53:55):
Yeah, he could have jumped to two times and been
on top of me, beating me it up or grabbing
me and squishing me or whatever. I mean, that's just
how powerful and fast it was. That's why I just
always have felt that, well they ain't that the ain't
like these people are acting on these shows like, oh,
(54:18):
we gotta be careful, it'll kill you. I just that day, Yeah,
I was scared. But when I turned around that last
time and saw him stop, it just looked like, Uh,
I don't I don't know how to I don't know
how to explain it. Maybe not that he needed help,
(54:41):
but maybe uh, I don't know. I really don't know.
That is kind of puzzling to me. Why it didn't
kill me.
Speaker 1 (54:53):
Well, they don't do anything without having a reason for it.
Apparently they didn't have any reason to kill you. It's
hard to understand why they would have had a reason
to kill you. You just stumbled across them, and I
think they just wanted to run you out of the area.
And it's no more complicated than that.
Speaker 2 (55:10):
Yeah, that that could be. That could be. I never
thought about that part of it, that maybe they just
wanted me out of away from But why would it
why it knew I was desperately trying to get out
of there. I just don't understand why it would have
been chased me at all and jumped over that that
ravine like that. You know what, When that thing jumped
(55:35):
like that, that's amazing. There's no human being in the
world could ever even come close to it. It had
to have its legs, had to be ah, just like
I don't know. It just really really powerful to be
(55:56):
able to do that. The whole the whole thing had
to be powerful to jump that far.
Speaker 1 (56:01):
Oh sure, Yeah, they do so many things that just
if I believe they do it all the time too. Well, Mike,
I can't thank you enough for coming on and share
the details of that experience with us. I really appreciate it.
Then if I can never help you out in the future,
please let me know.
Speaker 2 (56:18):
Yeah. Well, I want to thank you for letting me
tell my story. It does make me feel better to
be able to talk about it a little bit.
Speaker 1 (56:26):
You're welcome. It's great to give you a platform where
you can do that.
Speaker 2 (56:31):
I appreciate you.
Speaker 1 (56:32):
Well, that goes two ways. Thanks again so much for
your time, and have a great night. That's it for
another episode of Bigfoot Eyewitness Radio with Vic Kundiff. If
you've had a sasquatch encounter and would like to be
a guest on the show, please go to Bigfoot eyewitness
(56:55):
dot com and submit a report.
Speaker 2 (56:57):
We'd love to hear from you. Thanks for listening, have
a great night.
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