August 14, 2025 • 28 mins
Tonight’s guests, Beth Kolasinski and Nolan Shelby, are mother and son. In late February, of 2018, the two of them were heading home from Nolan’s last high school basketball game, in Flint, Michigan. They live in Howell, Michigan, so they had a fairly long drive to get home. Beth doesn’t like driving on highways, so she prefers to take back roads, instead of driving on highways, so she took back roads home from the basketball game that night. When they were about 25 miles from home, they were in a desolate area where there was nothing but a lot of open fields. It was raining that night, so their view of the countryside wasn’t the best. What they did get a view of that night, however, was something they never expected to see. We hope you’ll tune into tonight’s show, so you can listen to them recount their sighting. It’s a night they’ll never forget.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
My name is Beth Koalashinski.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
My name is Nolan Shelby.
Speaker 1 (00:06):
I am a director of human resources for a healthcare company.
I'm a mother of one. My son is now twenty
five years old.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
I am a social media director and graphic designer for
a sports media company. As they're going to jump into
our encounts.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
So it was late February of twenty eighteen, my son,
Nolan here was playing his very last high school basketball
game out at the eight ten Sports Complex in Flint, Michigan.
We live in Howell, Michigan, and I am not a
freeway driver. I've had some bad experiences, so it's just
(00:52):
my nature to take the back way everywhere we go.
Takes a little bit more time, but it's for me
a little less stressful. We had gone to his game
and the very last what somewhat in the last quarter,
I believe in.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
The last quarter, I went up for a rebound and
ended up coming down on an opponent's foot and very
messing up my ankle. Couldn't put any pressure on it
anything like that. So instead of sitting up front like
I would have normally on a ray home, I had
the front passenger seat folded down, and my leg up
(01:30):
on it to have a little bit of relief from it.
It was being iced and everything. So I was sitting
in the back passenger side.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
Correct and we were driving home. It was about I
would say, about nine thirty at night. It was dark
obviously in February, and it was raining, ye and I
remember I'm not sure where you know where we were.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Yeah, it was on Seymour Road, which is a little
bit east of Gains, Michigan. And we were heading southbound
back towards Howell from Flint area down Seymour right around
the intersection for Whitney Road, So we would have been
heading southbound, so the Whitney Road would have been on
(02:14):
our left side. To the right of us is just
open field. It's just farmland. There's a tree line maybe
two three hundred yards away from the road, maybe a
little bit further, but for the most part it is
just open field.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
I remember, you know, obviously as a mom, being concerned
about him and his pain level and getting home and
getting him comfortable. And again it was raining, and I
just remember it was slowing down because there was a
series of curves. You go around one curve which leads
then into another curve and as Nolan stated, there's farm
(02:54):
fields on the left, there's I believe houses are houses
on the left, farm fields on the right. I was
coming out of a curve and into a straightaway, probably
wasn't going maybe forty miles an hour if that, because
again the rain, and I happened to notice something on
(03:16):
the right hand side of the road, not in the field,
not off into the grass, but right there on the
side of the road. And I just remember it being massive.
It was huge, like what you would think a street
sign would be, so however tall something like not good
with measurements, but I would say, what's seven to eight feet?
(03:37):
But it was so wide and so just it was huge,
and it happened so quickly, but you got enough of
a notice of it. And I just remember when we
passed it, just just being so shocked and being look
what was that? And then him and I started to
(04:00):
discuss what we saw, what we.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Witnessed, and it took like a second, like we both
noticed it, like we drove by it, saw it, and
then like maybe you know, twenty thirty seconds later, I
was like, did you see that? Like was that?
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Was that?
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Just me?
Speaker 3 (04:18):
Am?
Speaker 2 (04:18):
I just saying things. Was that a shadow or something,
but that it was. She saw it too, and I
mean it was. I'm a I'm a fairly broad guy
at six foot, and this thing. If I was standing
next to whatever it was, it would I would it
would tower over me.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
So we started discussing what we saw. It was what
I saw because I was in the front and I
saw the lights hit it. Like I said, it was
very wide, and it was very tall, and it was
like a mixture between a dirty gray and a brown.
But I didn't really see features. I saw more size shape,
(05:01):
just hulking, very bulky, very big. And then it was
gone and we were past it, and then we him
and I just started discussing it, and then.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
You, I mean, yeah, that's it's I saw so because
I was in the passenger seat, so the headlights were
still kind of like faintly on it, but not fully
on it because I wasn't looking out the front window,
and it was from my angle that like a very
muted brownish gray I would say furry for lack of
(05:32):
a better road Like, it was very shadowed, but you
could still make out color, like you could still see
color on everything, and it looked how you would think
like something scraggly, kind of hairy would look. I didn't
get any features either. It was very silhouetted, but with
like enough color out like light on it to see
(05:53):
color and like kind of the main shape of it all.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
It was.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Yeah, it was a not what we.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Expected to see on the side of the road of
course that you know, on our way home. I remember
just afterwards almost like it's sinking in, like I know
that was not a bear. First of all, we're we
don't really have bear down in this area, and if
we did, it would probably be more of a black bear.
(06:22):
So that definitely wasn't a bear. We discussed it and
discussed it we of course, I believe in the next
couple of days. We of course had to get his
ankle addressed, so we didn't go the next day. It
was about a week later we drove back out there
to confirm.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
And yeah, like that specific areas like right around the
curve there's a sign that says like, oh, curve ahead
or whatever it is. But it very clearly was not
a little post with a metal sign on it. Way
before it was way before it and like me going
out to like stand and measure and everything, Like from
(07:02):
the car side, it there's just no way. If it
was a person, it would be you know, seven for
five and you know, three hundred plus pounds, Like it's
there's no way for it to have been a person.
If there was a person in a suit, it's you know,
there would have been on stilts. Like it's there's just
no plausible explanation for it.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
I kept thinking, Oh, and I know this doesn't necessarily
make sense either, but like, oh, maybe somebody had a
fruit stand or I've seen stands where people put out
where their children wait for buses because they live out
in the country, kind of like a weather protective thing. Consciously,
you know, in your mind, that's what you're thinking. But
it's like that had been entirely too close to the
(07:46):
road for any sort of stand. But maybe, just maybe,
And when we drove back out there and there's literally nothing,
nothing at all, like he said, just empty field because
it's February as well, so it's there's no crop or
anything of that nature. You know, that was our experience. We've,
like I said, we've gone back out there. We've we
(08:07):
were just actually just drove out there about a week
and a half ac coming home from Franken Move and yeah, it's.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
It's still desolate. There's not like any there's not like
a new something thrown up over there. It is still
just kind of middle of nowhere, you know, farmland. Really.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Yeah, I'm sure that's an experience in either one. If
you're ever going to forget never, Yeah, that's a given.
Beth before February of twenty eighteen, what kind of an
interest did you have in Sasquatch? Were you interested in
the middle?
Speaker 1 (08:41):
I mean yes, like I've watched programs on them, and
you know, you read stories and you know, things of
that nature. I've never been one to go out in
the woods and look for a Sasquatch, I can tell
you that because that would not be something I'm going
to do. I'd be way too afraid. I would say
(09:01):
a passing interest as far as Sasquatch would go. You know,
it interests me, but it's not something I'm going to
go search for now.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
I understand when someone has a sighting, it seems like
things can always go in so many different directions as
far as how the sighting affects the person. Some people,
after having a siding, they go buck wild researching Sasquatch
at every opportunity. Other people, it doesn't really seem to
(09:30):
affect them that much. So it seems like you never
really know how an experience like that it's going to
affect someone. You really don't. No, you don't.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
And I think because because I've always had this interest
in the paranormal, I've that's just been a way of
life for me. I'm a lot of things and kind
of Nolan was raised that way, so things like that,
I guess. As odd as it was, and it was
a crazy experience, I guess to me it was almost explainable.
(10:00):
Oh my god, I can't believe that just happened to us.
It's not something you expected at all. But oh, okay,
now I see what everyone was talking about. I guess.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
Yeah. It definitely felt like one of those things where
I feel like, if this is like she said, I
you know, I grew up very much like going to
cemeteries and stuff like that, and you know, I'm a
child of the two thousands, so all the shows on
sci Fi and all that destination truth, uh, finding Bigfoot
(10:30):
stuff like that, so it almost felt like a oh
my gosh, like what was that? Oh that might have
been a bigfoot huh crazy and just like accepted it
where you know, it wasn't like I had to come
to terms with seeing something. It was more so like, oh,
that's really cool that I think I might have saw something.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Yeah, I think so. I think too. Since we were
in the vehicle, it kind of helped it. I've been
outside and maybe a little bit more close proximity, I
might have had a little bit of a different reaction
for sure.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
Yeah, you definitely might have, and understandably so I'd want
to jump to conclusions here. It sounds like neither one
of you too caught the bigfoot bug. It sounds like
you were interested in the whole phenomenon, but it sounds
like neither one of you truly caught the bigfoot bug.
Is that accurate?
Speaker 1 (11:22):
I mean, I don't know if that. I mean, definitely
interested in it, you know, but what do you mean bug?
Like I would not I would not go out looking
for it. Now, Nolan does have a what is that? K?
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Yeah, I keep I keep a plastic kid in my
truck just on the off chance. But I'm not like
actively going out like looking for a bigfoot or anything.
You know, We're not like in any like, you know,
it's not something that we commonly do. It's it's an
interest I said, it's something that's always been an interest
to me, but never anything that's like you know, super
(11:56):
gung ho where I'm you know, going out searching.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
Really well, that makes sense. You have a profound experience
like that. It's gonna move the needle. How much that's
supposed to be determined, But yeah, have an experience like
that when you see something that's not supposed to exist,
it's definitely going to move that needle at least somewhat.
Oh yeah, Now it sounds like you did believe in
Sasquatch for that night that you had that siding nol one.
(12:21):
But how sure were you that they were definitely out there? Uh?
Speaker 1 (12:26):
I mean.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
That's definitely probably the night where that needle moved closer
to believing. Like I'm try and have everything with the
level of like at the end of the day there
you know, we don't know, so I don't want to
be you know, one hundred percent yes this is a
thing that's out there. So it was definitely close to
like a fifty to fifty like, oh that would be
really cool, and I you know, I think there's something
(12:50):
out there, But in reality, I'm like, how much do
I believe? And like, you know, think like, yeah, i'd
put money on it not you know, maybe not super
high up there, but it's definitely gone. More are probably
like a seventy thirty eighty twenty since then.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
Well, seeing is believing you definitely saw a sasquatch, though
I think it would be more than seventy percent.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
But I can't speak for you, so it is for me,
I would say I'm more you know, I don't have
so much doubt I would put it that way now
or question it. There's a lot of question I think
what recently, I don't know. In the last few years,
there's been a lot of speculation that Bigfoot is more
of an alien life form, and it's there's a lot
(13:33):
of people that have youre a Folle encounters. Prior we
did not have that experience. It was just bam, there
you are. So I don't know about that theory so much.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
Yeah, Well, just like anything else, there's no lack of theories.
No lack of theory is for pretty much anything out there,
especially paranormal things or oh exactly things like what we're
talking about here, Nolan. Do you see any way that
what you saw that and I could have been a
person in a suit next to the road.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
No, there's no way, Like I said, when we went
back out to to look like just doing like eye measurements,
like trying like you know, seeing it, like, I'm like, yeah,
that if it was a person in a suit, like
it would have been, like I said, easily over seven
feet tall, you know, and just massive shoulders and everything
(14:27):
like there is there is no way in my mind
that I could think that was a person in a suit.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
Yeah, I can understand why you'd feel that way. Yeah,
there's so many problems if you want to explain it
away as being a guy in a suit, that it
just doesn't make sense at all. It really doesn't. Beth,
how far were you from home when you have that sighting?
Speaker 1 (14:48):
I think it's about twenty twenty five minutes from our house,
so I would say it was probably about our halfway
point ish from that sports complex.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
Well, well that's a pretty a distance in probably about
twenty miles or maybe even twenty five miles in.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Yeah, possibly, Yeah, Yeah, definitely our focus of conversation the
entire way home, that's for sure.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
Oh, I bet it was. Yeah, yeah, I don't doubt
that at all. With that in mind. How far it
happened away from home. Did you have any trouble sleeping
that night after seeing that sasquatch or was it easy
to go to bed because of the distance.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Oh yeah, you know, if it hadn't been in my backyard,
I probably would have tucked into a hotel. Yeah, it
didn't bother me so much thinking like that it might
have been outside or something like that. Yeah, No, I didn't.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Yeah, I was in I think I was in too
much pain for my ankle. I think I got home
or just just absolutely passed out.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
Oh I can understand that. Yeah, if you twist your
ankle the wrong way, Yeah, that's worse.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
It can't.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Yeah, it was. It was rough. We had a one
of the moms of a player on our team as
a nurse and looked at it went, oh, that's broken.
And so I was kind of living with that for
the whole night until I found out the next day
that luckily it wasn't broken. But yeah, it was the
rough one. So yeah, there was. Even if it was
in the backyard, I think I have to having that
I would have slept like a baby.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
Oh no, I believe it, not me. Yeah, well, people
are different in how they respond to things, So I
understand Nolan. How much more vulnerable did you feel because
of that injured ankle. I mean, it'd be one thing
if you didn't have that injury and you could do
whatever you needed to do, run, do this or that,
(16:41):
but being as compromised as you were now having that knowledge, Hey,
these guys are at least, like you said, seventy percent
of reality. Did you struggle with that at all?
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Or I mean it's not you know, I definitely think
about it at the time, but yeah, like having like
no pressure on it whatsoever, and like sitting in the
back seat, like I was at an odd angle, like
you know, my one leg's up across the back of
a chair and the other ones, you know, on the ground.
I'm you know, definitely an't cross my mind. But yeah,
(17:12):
that's definitely like in the moment, I think I was
more so like confused and kind of shocked, like what
what was that? Where that possibility I guess didn't really
cross my mind. But yeah, that's definitely definitely a scary thought.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Yeah, that is scary. I wouldn't have thought of that either.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
Oh, I'm sure both of you were trying to figure
some things outspect Beth as your driving by it that night,
did it seem to be put off by your presence
or was nonchalant?
Speaker 1 (17:45):
You know, it didn't move or anything. And like I said,
it was really close to the road. The road is
a two lane, it is paved. There's a small gravel
shoulder on the side of the road, and I would
I would say was in that gravel area. So it
was very close to where we were driving. And I
don't know if because we came around that curve, so,
(18:08):
you know, when we were just straightening out, so I
don't know if it was kind of maybe taken it
back and there's no cover there, so it may have
come from the left side of the road and it
was just going towards those.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Trees or vice versa, had just crossed the field. Because
the left side where the houses are, it's still pretty wooded. Yeah,
like it's there are houses. It's not a neighborhood by
any degree. It is just kind of scattered houses about wards.
So it could have been coming either side and just
been like, oh, there's a car right here and just
stopped instead of trying to either across the road or
(18:40):
try and like make because there was a decent sized
ditch off the road before you get to the field.
So it might have mentioned like, oh, I'm just going
to stand here. Maybe you know it won't see me
or whatever. You know, the car can just pass and
you know, not think anything of it. There was no
way to tell like what direction it was going because
it was kind of just standing still almost.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
I would say it was facing us right or had
its back to us.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
Yeah, it was either facing us or had its back It.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Was the broadest.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
Yeah, Yeah, sounds like it must have had some pretty
long ear then if you couldn't tell.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Yeah, it wasn't from the side. And I think because
we weren't looking up at it, you know, because you
weren't look you weren't you weren't aware that you should be,
do you know what I mean? It happened so quickly,
you weren't trying to take in kind of a lot
of any features.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
I like, if I was, you could, I could have
ran that a million times and looking up towards the
face or anything, I just would have You would have
never thought of it because it was such like a
I don't say blinking you miss a moment, but it
was like, well, what's the thing in the headlights and
then it's gone right?
Speaker 3 (19:52):
Well sounds to me like it pretty much was almost
a blinking you miss a moment.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Glad we didn't miss it. I'm I'm happy we had
the experience because it was very interesting. It was you know,
something that you know, like you said, well, we're always
going to remember that, and we discussed it quite often, like,
oh my gosh, remember when that happened, Like we're gonna forget.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
Well, that's great, that's something you're always going to have
to share for sure. Yeah, that's a wonderful thing. Nolan.
Did you get a better look at it than your
mom due to it being on your side of the
car and the fact that you weren't driving.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
I don't think so, only because like the headlights were
not that they were fully pasted it yet. But by
the time like I had realized that something was there,
it was already like passenger side window back, passenger window gone.
So I didn't get like a full phenomenal view of it.
It was, you know, like I keep saying, I always
(20:56):
think of it more like a shadowy like I could
I remember the color and like a texture to it,
but I think because it was in that passing, like
the headlights were just finishing being on it, so it
was just like a faint glow the rain and everything.
So like, I don't think I got much better of
a look, if any.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
Honestly, I can only imagine. I'm sure both of your
minds went into hyperdrive trying to process everything and take
everything in.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Yeah, And it was like that brief and I said,
maybe twenty thirty seconds where we didn't say anything.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
Silence.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
It was just silence in the car, which it had
been like it was silenced before. Like I remember, I
was like I was texting friends like I'm fine, like
you know, stuff like that, just people checking up on me.
And so in that brief like twenty thirty seconds, it
was like did and I didn't want to be the
one to be liked? Did you? Was that bigfoot? You
know you don't want to be You never want to
(21:54):
be the person who calls out like that might have
been big for it. So there was just like a
brief couple of moments where it was like trying to
process what we saw and like at the same time
almost you're like, did you see that?
Speaker 3 (22:07):
Oh, it's obvious. Both of you are very level headed,
So if you would have said it that.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
Way, it wouldn't have been a surprise, right.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
Right, that's right, Beth. You didn't see many details, that's
a given. But would you describe what you saw that
night as being more of a kind of human or
more of a kind of a gorilla?
Speaker 1 (22:30):
Oh my gosh, you know, because of its size, you know,
like I said, I thought it was literally like a building.
I mean, that's how big it was. I was thinking,
like a I don't feel gorilla because to me, they're
kind of short and squattish.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
Definitely standing.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Yeah, it was very erect upright, like a human would be.
But you know, like Nolan had stated earlier, it was
so large that it couldn't be a human being. So
I would say more humanoid sort of stature if you
had to choose, not gorilla ish to me at all.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
Well, I can only imagine what it must have been
like to see him standing there that night something. Yeah,
I'll bet Nolan. After your ankle healed, did you ever
head into the woods for the sole purpose of trying
to see another one?
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Not like not that, like soon after. But you know,
I definitely have like you know, I'm you know, I
It's not something I do frequently, but you know, I've
got nothing against going out in the woods, you know,
looking around, poking around, seeing if I see anything. You know,
(23:48):
I like camping. I have a friend who has a
cabin up near Hiawatha National Forest u uh, not the
up but northern Michigan, And so whenever we're up there,
you know, I'll bring up a trap camera and see
see if I get anything. Haven't yet, but you know
I it's definitely like, I'm not against doing it by
(24:11):
any means. I've definitely done it.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
You know.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
Well, that's great listening to you say all those things,
because it really is sad when you hear about someone
having a sighting the way you two did, and it
almost shuts down their lives. They don't want to head
into the woods, they don't want to even be outdoors
anymore because they have this fear that this killer sasquatch
is going to come get them. So I'm so glad
(24:35):
to hear that you're still living your lives. That's great,
for sure. That's always a good thing. Beth, did you
report that sighting to the BFRO or any other Bigfoot
research organizations. You know.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
Actually you're the first person that we've discussed this sighting with.
It's funny enough, because I had before you had reached
out to me, I had told Nolan, you know, could
you get me some of that information because I happen
to be on the BFRO website and you can report stuff.
I thought you had to do it right away, but
(25:08):
I would definitely because looking, I think Gains you said
is where we were be the closest town that there's
not really any reports in that area, surprisingly enough.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
Huh, Well, I'm glad you looked into it. Yeah, it's
funny how that works. Some areas where you would swear
there are tons of sightings documented, you find out that
really none have been reported.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
So it's surprising.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
Yeah, no rhyme nor reason to it. It seems like, Nolan,
why do you think that Sasquatch was by the road
that night?
Speaker 2 (25:42):
I mean where it's atlas, there's woods on either side,
so it is definitely an area where you know, I mean,
dare cross cross it every day. You know, you've got
a kind of if you're going from one stretch of
the woods to the next You have to kind of
cross the road and the fields to get to the
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next part of the woods. So if I had to
put money on it, I would say just traveling, crossing
through if you know, looking for food or anything, just
making a round type of thing and just happened to
be I mean, right place, right time for us, wrong place,
wrong time for it.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
You know, that's a good way to sum it up,
that is, Beth, have you made any notable changes in
your life now that you know that they're definitely out there?
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Not really. I'm not a big outdoorsy sort of person,
so you're not going to really catch me being out
there too much anyway, especially alone, you know, No, I
don't think so. I'm still a back roads traveler. I
will always take that route just because I feel more safe.
Even seeing something like that didn't deter me.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
Well, that's good. Still enjoying the beauty of the woods.
That's really good, that is. And sasquatch, the potential of
being harmed by one seems like it's fairly slight. But
as you know, there are a lot of other things
out there that you have to keep an eye out for.
So oh yeah, it's always good. To keep that in
mind for sure. Well, I can't thank you too enough
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for coming on sharing the details of that experience with us.
I really appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
Thank you for having us.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
Yeah, thank you so much.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
Oh you know you're welcome, and if I can never
help you in the future, please let me know.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
Oh, you're welcome. Thanks again so much, and have a
great night. That's it for another episode of Bigfoot Eyewitness
Radio with Vic Keundiff. If you've had a sasquatch encounter
and would like to be a guest on the show,
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We'd love to hear from you. Thanks for listening, Have
a great night.
My name is Beth Koalashinski.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
My name is Nolan Shelby.
Speaker 1 (00:06):
I am a director of human resources for a healthcare company.
I'm a mother of one. My son is now twenty
five years old.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
I am a social media director and graphic designer for
a sports media company. As they're going to jump into
our encounts.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
So it was late February of twenty eighteen, my son,
Nolan here was playing his very last high school basketball
game out at the eight ten Sports Complex in Flint, Michigan.
We live in Howell, Michigan, and I am not a
freeway driver. I've had some bad experiences, so it's just
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my nature to take the back way everywhere we go.
Takes a little bit more time, but it's for me
a little less stressful. We had gone to his game
and the very last what somewhat in the last quarter,
I believe in.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
The last quarter, I went up for a rebound and
ended up coming down on an opponent's foot and very
messing up my ankle. Couldn't put any pressure on it
anything like that. So instead of sitting up front like
I would have normally on a ray home, I had
the front passenger seat folded down, and my leg up
(01:30):
on it to have a little bit of relief from it.
It was being iced and everything. So I was sitting
in the back passenger side.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
Correct and we were driving home. It was about I
would say, about nine thirty at night. It was dark
obviously in February, and it was raining, ye and I
remember I'm not sure where you know where we were.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Yeah, it was on Seymour Road, which is a little
bit east of Gains, Michigan. And we were heading southbound
back towards Howell from Flint area down Seymour right around
the intersection for Whitney Road, So we would have been
heading southbound, so the Whitney Road would have been on
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our left side. To the right of us is just
open field. It's just farmland. There's a tree line maybe
two three hundred yards away from the road, maybe a
little bit further, but for the most part it is
just open field.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
I remember, you know, obviously as a mom, being concerned
about him and his pain level and getting home and
getting him comfortable. And again it was raining, and I
just remember it was slowing down because there was a
series of curves. You go around one curve which leads
then into another curve and as Nolan stated, there's farm
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fields on the left, there's I believe houses are houses
on the left, farm fields on the right. I was
coming out of a curve and into a straightaway, probably
wasn't going maybe forty miles an hour if that, because
again the rain, and I happened to notice something on
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the right hand side of the road, not in the field,
not off into the grass, but right there on the
side of the road. And I just remember it being massive.
It was huge, like what you would think a street
sign would be, so however tall something like not good
with measurements, but I would say, what's seven to eight feet?
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But it was so wide and so just it was huge,
and it happened so quickly, but you got enough of
a notice of it. And I just remember when we
passed it, just just being so shocked and being look
what was that? And then him and I started to
(04:00):
discuss what we saw, what we.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Witnessed, and it took like a second, like we both
noticed it, like we drove by it, saw it, and
then like maybe you know, twenty thirty seconds later, I
was like, did you see that? Like was that?
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Was that?
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Just me?
Speaker 3 (04:18):
Am?
Speaker 2 (04:18):
I just saying things. Was that a shadow or something,
but that it was. She saw it too, and I
mean it was. I'm a I'm a fairly broad guy
at six foot, and this thing. If I was standing
next to whatever it was, it would I would it
would tower over me.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
So we started discussing what we saw. It was what
I saw because I was in the front and I
saw the lights hit it. Like I said, it was
very wide, and it was very tall, and it was
like a mixture between a dirty gray and a brown.
But I didn't really see features. I saw more size shape,
(05:01):
just hulking, very bulky, very big. And then it was
gone and we were past it, and then we him
and I just started discussing it, and then.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
You, I mean, yeah, that's it's I saw so because
I was in the passenger seat, so the headlights were
still kind of like faintly on it, but not fully
on it because I wasn't looking out the front window,
and it was from my angle that like a very
muted brownish gray I would say furry for lack of
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a better road Like, it was very shadowed, but you
could still make out color, like you could still see
color on everything, and it looked how you would think
like something scraggly, kind of hairy would look. I didn't
get any features either. It was very silhouetted, but with
like enough color out like light on it to see
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color and like kind of the main shape of it all.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
It was.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Yeah, it was a not what we.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Expected to see on the side of the road of
course that you know, on our way home. I remember
just afterwards almost like it's sinking in, like I know
that was not a bear. First of all, we're we
don't really have bear down in this area, and if
we did, it would probably be more of a black bear.
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So that definitely wasn't a bear. We discussed it and
discussed it we of course, I believe in the next
couple of days. We of course had to get his
ankle addressed, so we didn't go the next day. It
was about a week later we drove back out there
to confirm.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
And yeah, like that specific areas like right around the
curve there's a sign that says like, oh, curve ahead
or whatever it is. But it very clearly was not
a little post with a metal sign on it. Way
before it was way before it and like me going
out to like stand and measure and everything, Like from
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the car side, it there's just no way. If it
was a person, it would be you know, seven for
five and you know, three hundred plus pounds, Like it's
there's no way for it to have been a person.
If there was a person in a suit, it's you know,
there would have been on stilts. Like it's there's just
no plausible explanation for it.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
I kept thinking, Oh, and I know this doesn't necessarily
make sense either, but like, oh, maybe somebody had a
fruit stand or I've seen stands where people put out
where their children wait for buses because they live out
in the country, kind of like a weather protective thing. Consciously,
you know, in your mind, that's what you're thinking. But
it's like that had been entirely too close to the
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road for any sort of stand. But maybe, just maybe,
And when we drove back out there and there's literally nothing,
nothing at all, like he said, just empty field because
it's February as well, so it's there's no crop or
anything of that nature. You know, that was our experience. We've,
like I said, we've gone back out there. We've we
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were just actually just drove out there about a week
and a half ac coming home from Franken Move and yeah, it's.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
It's still desolate. There's not like any there's not like
a new something thrown up over there. It is still
just kind of middle of nowhere, you know, farmland. Really.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Yeah, I'm sure that's an experience in either one. If
you're ever going to forget never, Yeah, that's a given.
Beth before February of twenty eighteen, what kind of an
interest did you have in Sasquatch? Were you interested in
the middle?
Speaker 1 (08:41):
I mean yes, like I've watched programs on them, and
you know, you read stories and you know, things of
that nature. I've never been one to go out in
the woods and look for a Sasquatch, I can tell
you that because that would not be something I'm going
to do. I'd be way too afraid. I would say
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a passing interest as far as Sasquatch would go. You know,
it interests me, but it's not something I'm going to
go search for now.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
I understand when someone has a sighting, it seems like
things can always go in so many different directions as
far as how the sighting affects the person. Some people,
after having a siding, they go buck wild researching Sasquatch
at every opportunity. Other people, it doesn't really seem to
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affect them that much. So it seems like you never
really know how an experience like that it's going to
affect someone. You really don't. No, you don't.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
And I think because because I've always had this interest
in the paranormal, I've that's just been a way of
life for me. I'm a lot of things and kind
of Nolan was raised that way, so things like that,
I guess. As odd as it was, and it was
a crazy experience, I guess to me it was almost explainable.
(10:00):
Oh my god, I can't believe that just happened to us.
It's not something you expected at all. But oh, okay,
now I see what everyone was talking about. I guess.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
Yeah. It definitely felt like one of those things where
I feel like, if this is like she said, I
you know, I grew up very much like going to
cemeteries and stuff like that, and you know, I'm a
child of the two thousands, so all the shows on
sci Fi and all that destination truth, uh, finding Bigfoot
(10:30):
stuff like that, so it almost felt like a oh
my gosh, like what was that? Oh that might have
been a bigfoot huh crazy and just like accepted it
where you know, it wasn't like I had to come
to terms with seeing something. It was more so like, oh,
that's really cool that I think I might have saw something.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Yeah, I think so. I think too. Since we were
in the vehicle, it kind of helped it. I've been
outside and maybe a little bit more close proximity, I
might have had a little bit of a different reaction
for sure.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
Yeah, you definitely might have, and understandably so I'd want
to jump to conclusions here. It sounds like neither one
of you too caught the bigfoot bug. It sounds like
you were interested in the whole phenomenon, but it sounds
like neither one of you truly caught the bigfoot bug.
Is that accurate?
Speaker 1 (11:22):
I mean, I don't know if that. I mean, definitely
interested in it, you know, but what do you mean bug?
Like I would not I would not go out looking
for it. Now, Nolan does have a what is that? K?
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Yeah, I keep I keep a plastic kid in my
truck just on the off chance. But I'm not like
actively going out like looking for a bigfoot or anything.
You know, We're not like in any like, you know,
it's not something that we commonly do. It's it's an
interest I said, it's something that's always been an interest
to me, but never anything that's like you know, super
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gung ho where I'm you know, going out searching.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
Really well, that makes sense. You have a profound experience
like that. It's gonna move the needle. How much that's
supposed to be determined, But yeah, have an experience like
that when you see something that's not supposed to exist,
it's definitely going to move that needle at least somewhat.
Oh yeah, Now it sounds like you did believe in
Sasquatch for that night that you had that siding nol one.
(12:21):
But how sure were you that they were definitely out there? Uh?
Speaker 1 (12:26):
I mean.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
That's definitely probably the night where that needle moved closer
to believing. Like I'm try and have everything with the
level of like at the end of the day there
you know, we don't know, so I don't want to
be you know, one hundred percent yes this is a
thing that's out there. So it was definitely close to
like a fifty to fifty like, oh that would be
really cool, and I you know, I think there's something
(12:50):
out there, But in reality, I'm like, how much do
I believe? And like, you know, think like, yeah, i'd
put money on it not you know, maybe not super
high up there, but it's definitely gone. More are probably
like a seventy thirty eighty twenty since then.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
Well, seeing is believing you definitely saw a sasquatch, though
I think it would be more than seventy percent.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
But I can't speak for you, so it is for me,
I would say I'm more you know, I don't have
so much doubt I would put it that way now
or question it. There's a lot of question I think
what recently, I don't know. In the last few years,
there's been a lot of speculation that Bigfoot is more
of an alien life form, and it's there's a lot
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of people that have youre a Folle encounters. Prior we
did not have that experience. It was just bam, there
you are. So I don't know about that theory so much.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
Yeah, Well, just like anything else, there's no lack of theories.
No lack of theory is for pretty much anything out there,
especially paranormal things or oh exactly things like what we're
talking about here, Nolan. Do you see any way that
what you saw that and I could have been a
person in a suit next to the road.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
No, there's no way, Like I said, when we went
back out to to look like just doing like eye measurements,
like trying like you know, seeing it, like, I'm like, yeah,
that if it was a person in a suit, like
it would have been, like I said, easily over seven
feet tall, you know, and just massive shoulders and everything
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like there is there is no way in my mind
that I could think that was a person in a suit.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
Yeah, I can understand why you'd feel that way. Yeah,
there's so many problems if you want to explain it
away as being a guy in a suit, that it
just doesn't make sense at all. It really doesn't. Beth,
how far were you from home when you have that sighting?
Speaker 1 (14:48):
I think it's about twenty twenty five minutes from our house,
so I would say it was probably about our halfway
point ish from that sports complex.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
Well, well that's a pretty a distance in probably about
twenty miles or maybe even twenty five miles in.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Yeah, possibly, Yeah, Yeah, definitely our focus of conversation the
entire way home, that's for sure.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
Oh, I bet it was. Yeah, yeah, I don't doubt
that at all. With that in mind. How far it
happened away from home. Did you have any trouble sleeping
that night after seeing that sasquatch or was it easy
to go to bed because of the distance.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Oh yeah, you know, if it hadn't been in my backyard,
I probably would have tucked into a hotel. Yeah, it
didn't bother me so much thinking like that it might
have been outside or something like that. Yeah, No, I didn't.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Yeah, I was in I think I was in too
much pain for my ankle. I think I got home
or just just absolutely passed out.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
Oh I can understand that. Yeah, if you twist your
ankle the wrong way, Yeah, that's worse.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
It can't.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Yeah, it was. It was rough. We had a one
of the moms of a player on our team as
a nurse and looked at it went, oh, that's broken.
And so I was kind of living with that for
the whole night until I found out the next day
that luckily it wasn't broken. But yeah, it was the
rough one. So yeah, there was. Even if it was
in the backyard, I think I have to having that
I would have slept like a baby.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
Oh no, I believe it, not me. Yeah, well, people
are different in how they respond to things, So I
understand Nolan. How much more vulnerable did you feel because
of that injured ankle. I mean, it'd be one thing
if you didn't have that injury and you could do
whatever you needed to do, run, do this or that,
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but being as compromised as you were now having that knowledge, Hey,
these guys are at least, like you said, seventy percent
of reality. Did you struggle with that at all?
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Or I mean it's not you know, I definitely think
about it at the time, but yeah, like having like
no pressure on it whatsoever, and like sitting in the
back seat, like I was at an odd angle, like
you know, my one leg's up across the back of
a chair and the other ones, you know, on the ground.
I'm you know, definitely an't cross my mind. But yeah,
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that's definitely like in the moment, I think I was
more so like confused and kind of shocked, like what
what was that? Where that possibility I guess didn't really
cross my mind. But yeah, that's definitely definitely a scary thought.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Yeah, that is scary. I wouldn't have thought of that either.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
Oh, I'm sure both of you were trying to figure
some things outspect Beth as your driving by it that night,
did it seem to be put off by your presence
or was nonchalant?
Speaker 1 (17:45):
You know, it didn't move or anything. And like I said,
it was really close to the road. The road is
a two lane, it is paved. There's a small gravel
shoulder on the side of the road, and I would
I would say was in that gravel area. So it
was very close to where we were driving. And I
don't know if because we came around that curve, so,
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you know, when we were just straightening out, so I
don't know if it was kind of maybe taken it
back and there's no cover there, so it may have
come from the left side of the road and it
was just going towards those.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Trees or vice versa, had just crossed the field. Because
the left side where the houses are, it's still pretty wooded. Yeah,
like it's there are houses. It's not a neighborhood by
any degree. It is just kind of scattered houses about wards.
So it could have been coming either side and just
been like, oh, there's a car right here and just
stopped instead of trying to either across the road or
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try and like make because there was a decent sized
ditch off the road before you get to the field.
So it might have mentioned like, oh, I'm just going
to stand here. Maybe you know it won't see me
or whatever. You know, the car can just pass and
you know, not think anything of it. There was no
way to tell like what direction it was going because
it was kind of just standing still almost.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
I would say it was facing us right or had
its back to us.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
Yeah, it was either facing us or had its back It.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Was the broadest.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
Yeah, Yeah, sounds like it must have had some pretty
long ear then if you couldn't tell.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Yeah, it wasn't from the side. And I think because
we weren't looking up at it, you know, because you
weren't look you weren't you weren't aware that you should be,
do you know what I mean? It happened so quickly,
you weren't trying to take in kind of a lot
of any features.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
I like, if I was, you could, I could have
ran that a million times and looking up towards the
face or anything, I just would have You would have
never thought of it because it was such like a
I don't say blinking you miss a moment, but it
was like, well, what's the thing in the headlights and
then it's gone right?
Speaker 3 (19:52):
Well sounds to me like it pretty much was almost
a blinking you miss a moment.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Glad we didn't miss it. I'm I'm happy we had
the experience because it was very interesting. It was you know,
something that you know, like you said, well, we're always
going to remember that, and we discussed it quite often, like,
oh my gosh, remember when that happened, Like we're gonna forget.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
Well, that's great, that's something you're always going to have
to share for sure. Yeah, that's a wonderful thing. Nolan.
Did you get a better look at it than your
mom due to it being on your side of the
car and the fact that you weren't driving.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
I don't think so, only because like the headlights were
not that they were fully pasted it yet. But by
the time like I had realized that something was there,
it was already like passenger side window back, passenger window gone.
So I didn't get like a full phenomenal view of it.
It was, you know, like I keep saying, I always
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think of it more like a shadowy like I could
I remember the color and like a texture to it,
but I think because it was in that passing, like
the headlights were just finishing being on it, so it
was just like a faint glow the rain and everything.
So like, I don't think I got much better of
a look, if any.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
Honestly, I can only imagine. I'm sure both of your
minds went into hyperdrive trying to process everything and take
everything in.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Yeah, And it was like that brief and I said,
maybe twenty thirty seconds where we didn't say anything.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
Silence.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
It was just silence in the car, which it had
been like it was silenced before. Like I remember, I
was like I was texting friends like I'm fine, like
you know, stuff like that, just people checking up on me.
And so in that brief like twenty thirty seconds, it
was like did and I didn't want to be the
one to be liked? Did you? Was that bigfoot? You
know you don't want to be You never want to
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be the person who calls out like that might have
been big for it. So there was just like a
brief couple of moments where it was like trying to
process what we saw and like at the same time
almost you're like, did you see that?
Speaker 3 (22:07):
Oh, it's obvious. Both of you are very level headed,
So if you would have said it that.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
Way, it wouldn't have been a surprise, right.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
Right, that's right, Beth. You didn't see many details, that's
a given. But would you describe what you saw that
night as being more of a kind of human or
more of a kind of a gorilla?
Speaker 1 (22:30):
Oh my gosh, you know, because of its size, you know,
like I said, I thought it was literally like a building.
I mean, that's how big it was. I was thinking,
like a I don't feel gorilla because to me, they're
kind of short and squattish.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
Definitely standing.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Yeah, it was very erect upright, like a human would be.
But you know, like Nolan had stated earlier, it was
so large that it couldn't be a human being. So
I would say more humanoid sort of stature if you
had to choose, not gorilla ish to me at all.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
Well, I can only imagine what it must have been
like to see him standing there that night something. Yeah,
I'll bet Nolan. After your ankle healed, did you ever
head into the woods for the sole purpose of trying
to see another one?
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Not like not that, like soon after. But you know,
I definitely have like you know, I'm you know, I
It's not something I do frequently, but you know, I've
got nothing against going out in the woods, you know,
looking around, poking around, seeing if I see anything. You know,
(23:48):
I like camping. I have a friend who has a
cabin up near Hiawatha National Forest u uh, not the
up but northern Michigan, And so whenever we're up there,
you know, I'll bring up a trap camera and see
see if I get anything. Haven't yet, but you know
I it's definitely like, I'm not against doing it by
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any means. I've definitely done it.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
You know.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
Well, that's great listening to you say all those things,
because it really is sad when you hear about someone
having a sighting the way you two did, and it
almost shuts down their lives. They don't want to head
into the woods, they don't want to even be outdoors
anymore because they have this fear that this killer sasquatch
is going to come get them. So I'm so glad
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to hear that you're still living your lives. That's great,
for sure. That's always a good thing. Beth, did you
report that sighting to the BFRO or any other Bigfoot
research organizations. You know.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
Actually you're the first person that we've discussed this sighting with.
It's funny enough, because I had before you had reached
out to me, I had told Nolan, you know, could
you get me some of that information because I happen
to be on the BFRO website and you can report stuff.
I thought you had to do it right away, but
(25:08):
I would definitely because looking, I think Gains you said
is where we were be the closest town that there's
not really any reports in that area, surprisingly enough.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
Huh, Well, I'm glad you looked into it. Yeah, it's
funny how that works. Some areas where you would swear
there are tons of sightings documented, you find out that
really none have been reported.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
So it's surprising.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
Yeah, no rhyme nor reason to it. It seems like, Nolan,
why do you think that Sasquatch was by the road
that night?
Speaker 2 (25:42):
I mean where it's atlas, there's woods on either side,
so it is definitely an area where you know, I mean,
dare cross cross it every day. You know, you've got
a kind of if you're going from one stretch of
the woods to the next You have to kind of
cross the road and the fields to get to the
(26:02):
next part of the woods. So if I had to
put money on it, I would say just traveling, crossing
through if you know, looking for food or anything, just
making a round type of thing and just happened to
be I mean, right place, right time for us, wrong place,
wrong time for it.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
You know, that's a good way to sum it up,
that is, Beth, have you made any notable changes in
your life now that you know that they're definitely out there?
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Not really. I'm not a big outdoorsy sort of person,
so you're not going to really catch me being out
there too much anyway, especially alone, you know, No, I
don't think so. I'm still a back roads traveler. I
will always take that route just because I feel more safe.
Even seeing something like that didn't deter me.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
Well, that's good. Still enjoying the beauty of the woods.
That's really good, that is. And sasquatch, the potential of
being harmed by one seems like it's fairly slight. But
as you know, there are a lot of other things
out there that you have to keep an eye out for.
So oh yeah, it's always good. To keep that in
mind for sure. Well, I can't thank you too enough
(27:19):
for coming on sharing the details of that experience with us.
I really appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
Thank you for having us.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
Yeah, thank you so much.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
Oh you know you're welcome, and if I can never
help you in the future, please let me know.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
Oh, you're welcome. Thanks again so much, and have a
great night. That's it for another episode of Bigfoot Eyewitness
Radio with Vic Keundiff. If you've had a sasquatch encounter
and would like to be a guest on the show,
please go to Bigfoot eyewitness dot com and submit a report.
(27:57):
We'd love to hear from you. Thanks for listening, Have
a great night.
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